Week Ten

0:25 Music. And welcome back to the Boundary Corner podcast, the part of the College Heddle network, along with my partners, Brian Siegler and Jonathan Tally. I am Curtis Wilson and this episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Counts Family Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy three O 1 S Main St. Before we get into everything tonight, this is your last week to enter for the 25th anniversary goal post acrylic pyramid. Remember put 1999 like so many people have already in the chat here in the live chat or in the comments. Also, you have to be a subscriber. So when we spin the wheel and figure out who the winner is next week, if we don't see your name on the subscriber list, it's going to be thrown out.

1:30 We're going to spend it again until we find 99 and a subscriber. So if you're doing all the work to put 1999 in, you have to subscribe to the channel. That's our Big 1. So it is going to be announced next week during Clemson week. Once we have the winner, we will be getting in touch with you to get that sent to you gentlemen. Gentlemen, how are we doing on a winning Tuesday? Busy, busy, busy. It's been a it's been a little bit of a busy day for me, buddy, but we are we're back at it again. It is a victory Tuesday wasn't an inspiring victory Tuesday, but a win is a win is a win is a win, especially when it keeps you in the ACC hunt.

2:23 I'm with Brian when he says busy. So football season is over for us here in my household. My son is done with JV football, so he's moved on to basketball. So we're getting ready for basketball season to start up. But you know who's not done with football? The Hokies. They're still winning three in one in conference play, another win. I'll take them any way we can get them 21 to six win over Georgia Tech. So yeah, feeling good, man. Back in the saddle with my guys. Chad is already going.

3:03 Got somebody commentating in the chat saying the podcast will start momentarily. Hey, we already getting it. We we ready to roll. We. Already it has. Begun and all these folks putting this in, we appreciate it. I appreciate that guys. By the way, Steven, I get it, man, Don't worry. Don't worry, Steven, it's going to be on YouTube for you or on your favorite podcast source tomorrow. Well, let's get into telling the truth on this Tuesday, as we do talk about a 26 to 6V over Georgia Tech first thing. The first time since 2012. We'll say that again. The first time since 2012.

3:48 My son and Brian's son had not been born the last time we beat Georgia Tech at home. That's not a lie. That's not a lie. That's. Crazy. Since they were born and the way I look at it, and y'all kind of said it, we're talking about a win tonight. We're not talking about a loss even though we played like crap. But I'm going to put John on. One side of the ball. 01 side of the ball. Hey, hey. I I don't have a ton of a a ton of nitpicks on the defense. I think offense was definitely uninspired outside of just being absolute hammers in the red zone. Danny, we'll talk about that.

4:30 But I like what our buddy John Le Cook said. It was a Brian Stein spring win. And you know what? I'm sitting here. Go back in your memory, Banks, everybody, those who are older, that was a Brian Stein spring win. Get a couple explosive plays, get it in the red zone, score, touchdowns, defense forces some turnovers, forces some. Stop that, that. That looked like a 2007 win in some cases. Not even bullshit. Yeah, and, and I mean, other than, you know, I, I think we were probably a little less efficient in the run game that I think a lot of us anticipated we'd be in that game. I think, you know, we we knew that Georgia Tech was good up front and we knew that more than likely they're going to get in there and load the box and force us to beat them through the air, which, you know, isn't their strong suit defensively. But I think it's a good, it's it, you know it, it's a good game plan against, you know what we're doing right now just because we've been OK in the past game, but we have not hit the home runs in the past game that we would like to hit. And until we start taking the top off a little bit more, that's how teams are going to play us. No, I agree.

5:49 I agree totally. I mean, I'll go ahead, Curtis. Well, I was gonna say that's the stuff that went bad. Hold that tight. Let's talk about what went. We're good tally. Let's talk about the defense man, because first of all, Tally and Brian did not get to to ride the Curtis Wilson roller coaster on Saturday afternoon because Curtis Wilson was at a baseball game literally from the time the game started to pretty much me getting in my car and hearing Bill Roth talking Jalen Jones pick. So they didn't get to ride it. Tally, I appreciate all the updates on Saturday. You kept me sane and not pulling out my phone every 4 seconds to check the score. So what did you see from the defense Saturday?

6:34 Hammers, man, like Brian said, Hammers is just, they were hidden, they were physical, went back, got against the wall, you know, they bounced off that wall and fought back, got in the corner and fought out like dogs. They didn't let nobody get in the end zone. You know what was the last time we could say that? You know, every time that it looked like something bad was going to happen, the defense stood up and stopped it. So that was definitely good to see because again, like Brian said, the office left a lot to be desired. So defense stepped up and did their job. And guess what, man? That's part of what a good team has to do.

7:14 You struggle in one area, you pick it up in another area. Yep. And I think the big thing for me was watching, you know, kind of the success they were having getting off the field when they needed to a lot of the times there. So, you know, that was important. We had talked about it being a key. They did well with that. And I think that's that's something that we can keep that up and get the offense back the ball, even if they don't do a whole lot with it. You know, you, you keep getting the getting the team frustrated, keep stealing the momentum back, keeping them off off their off their schedule. You know, good things are going to come because we know that this offense has some weapons. So if the defense can keep doing stuff like that, I think that'll eventually, you know, work, work, work its way back into shape.

7:59 And Brian, you mentioned it, the money down 6 for 20, they got zero fourth down conversions and it was something like 6 for 15 or 6 for 16. I got to pull up the exact stats like they couldn't get much done on 3rd like they. 'D get 6 for 20. 6 for 20 total on money. So on 3rd and 4th down. I mean, I'll take that every day twice on Sundays. Let me ask you all this because again, I I watched it condensed and I saw some highlights and some things here and there. But in y'all's opinion and and coach pride mentioned it, but he's actually mentioned the last couple weeks why and and y'all played so y'all can see things and that I don't see why the run fits getting better like why?

8:41 Like, what has changed really in this last month where he's chuckling over here? So I'm going to let Brian start. Hey, there's already been a comment about it. What's changed? I mean, we kind of know what's changed. Oh, you're talking about that right there. Yeah, Keller has been the the prophecy has finally been fulfilled. It, it took three years and, and we finally got to a point where now we can say that Jane Keller is a starting linebacker, quality player for this defense. And he's always had the physical tools and it, it, it's really just been the mental piece.

9:24 And for all the, you know, we bring in Brumfield. I think Brumfield has been a solid, if not spectacular addition to the defense. But what he has done is given Keller someone to learn from and someone to be a sounding board for those mental aspects of playing linebacker at this level that he he didn't have at all last year. And, you know, he had in a in a different capacity before that. So I think that's been kind of a levelling thing for him. And, and, and we're starting to see as the season's going on and he's getting, you know, some more interactions there start starting to see that come to fruition and starting to see him really put the pieces together mentally.

10:14 Because like I said, he's always had those physical traits. He's he's very athletic, he's got good length. He's the type of guy that you want to see in the middle of a defense. And he's starting to have the the the mentals to back that up and be able to go out there and leave the the middle of the defense. Thank you, Tyler, what are you seeing? Yeah, no, kind of what Brian saying, but you also got to add on just the more and more people play together, they get better continuity. You kind of know what somebody's going to be. You feel them kind of playoff of them, playoff their energy. Kiante Jenkins is playing well. He's coming up hitting people, you know, kind of what we knew it could be, but it's not that hit somebody and then he's hurt for two series after that and he's hopping up, he's talking junk, getting back to the huddle, coming back doing again.

11:00 I think he led us in tackles on on Saturday. So, you know, watching these guys that we know had some talent take just another step is is good. That's what you want to see. That's why the fits are getting better. And I think Brumfield has a lot to do with that. Just showing people how to be a pro. What he lacks in size, he makes up in, you know, experience and just professionalism. You know, you can hear him speak. I'm sure he's in that room telling the guys how to prepare for games and showing them how to prepare for games. And that's why you see somebody like, you know, Jayden Keller take the next step. Yep, and I'll tell you something else y'all saying that I'm also looking at the depth at linebackers. Another reason too, because if you stay fresher, you won't be a sloppy, right?

11:52 You won't be a sloppy. Georgia Tech had 81 snaps total snaps. They passed the ball a lot because they were down a lot. But you want to know something. You want to know of the linebackers who played the most snaps. And I do consider County Jenkins a linebacker. Probably Jenkins or Woodson. Jenkins and Woodson, Guess what they both did 1 did 62, one did 60. So there were 20 plus snaps. They weren't on the field. Lawson got 21. Brumfield got 22, Caleb Spencer got 15, and you got where is it?

12:37 Jaden Keller got 59. So it's not only that, it's the one, the Unit 1 doing its job, Unit 2. And the way they're mixing and matching, they're staying fresh. We we truly do have a linebacker rotation where I think us three, if we were to say it and I were to say, hey guys, we're going to put Brunfield, we're going to put Lawson and we're going to quit Spencer out. You'll be like, OK, that's three good players that can make plays. It's not like this anymore. Who's on the field? Oh, man, that ain't good. They going to do something stupid and I think that's helping as well that those guys, you said italic, they're all comfortable together and now regardless of combination, they're all getting comfortable.

13:22 The other thing, Saturday, I know some people might consider this a high number. I look at percentages. We only had eight missed tackles on 81 snaps under 10, right at 10%, take 10% all day. On a game like that with 80 plus snaps now you take 10% on 50 maybe not, but 80? I'd take that. And I think, you know, you said, I mean, you're going 6 deep at linebacker now. And I think some of that, yeah, I think at the start of the year there was some some hamming and hawing about the, you know, cross, cross positional play there and things of that nature. But, you know, we're starting to see that level out a little bit. And now we now we're seeing again, we got got 60, we got two guys in just about every spot in there that can go out there and give you significant snaps and not really feel it, feel bad about that, that exposure for them now that's key.

14:14 That is key. All right, one last piece I want to talk about here and Tally, you mentioned it, but I didn't. I want to know if you knew it was this good. You mentioned every time they got backed up because they pushed us to the red zone a couple times more than a couple times after the game Saturday. This is the fourth ranked red zone defense in the country. They know it was that good. That good and especially and start thinking about the last even the last few weeks what happened to BC where literally they started in the red zone and scored. They never got down there in any other time and then go back to Stanford and even Miami. They only had like one inside the red zone. So this defense is it's it's not only a bend but not break, but in some cases it's effectively you're not even getting past the 50 if the sacks are going on, you're punting a lot and you have what happened on 3rd down.

15:13 Hey, Brian, you alluded to this law earlier. One other thing that went well, red zone offense and anything. Anything y'all are seeing or what y'all are liking? I mean, I think the big thing is that just clutch play, man. You know, when we're looking at it, it seems like this defense tends to come up with some big plays in the red zone when we need them. Whether it's to get off the field, force a field goal, whether it's a key turnover, whether it's a big stop on a fourth and one or fourth and short. I mean, they seem to always just have the right the right call in there when we need it. And that's been that's been big, I think in, in, in the games in the last month, but obviously big in a game like this Saturday where your offense wasn't doing a whole lot.

16:04 You needed those stops in order to feel like you could keep the game at arm's length. And that's kind of what what I felt like we did in this game. You know, we, we never really, we didn't dominate. We definitely didn't dominate from a just pure yard standpoint, but we always kept them at arm's length throughout the game and that was really on the defense and especially on that red zone defense. Tally. No, I agree. I mean, again, just kind of like, like Brian said, you know, keeping it at at arm's length defense, just going out, playing hard, being able to rotate those guys in often is doing just enough for us to put the points on the board and and and take the game. So you kind of seen it man where we the defence is like they was trying to give the offense a kick in the butt sometimes you know what I'm saying?

16:57 It's like OK, y'all messed up here. You, you made a bad play here, you did this. Then we come back with a we come back with a pick, you know, give it to your plus territory. We come back with a special teams play, give it to you in plus territory. It's like OK, go do something with it. So just just kept, just kept grinding, man, Just kept grinding. All right, I'm going to make this real quick. And as we go over, because there were some bad things and even though we won the game, you always got to look at we got to improve on. Do you all know this? The last three games, 11 for 11 inside the red zone, 11 did. Not know. That 11 for 11, you know, the last time we haven't, we didn't score inside the red zone. Who was that?

17:43 What? What's the play that pissed you off the most in the last game? Was it Miami? Is that fucking fake field goal that the last time we did not score in the red zone was right there? We scored in the red zone one time against them. Makes you a little bit upset because you think how we're doing it. Like if we would have just ran a normal play, we score a touchdown and that game is history. All right, let's go over to the offensive line and let's talk about the definitely the troubles are reappearing there. Brian, you looked at some film and what happened because obviously we 14 pressures on 31 drop backs. That's way too much, but 111 of the 117 were after contact. So this wasn't just a pass pro issue, this was a run block issue as well and if we don't have guys like Tooting and drones who are absolute hosses to take down, this would not have been good.

18:47 Yeah, I mean, I when you look at it, it's a it's a combination of things here. The offensive line obviously didn't have a great game, but what the defense was doing, they were absolutely selling out for the run. And they were basically saying, Kyron, you got to beat us, especially in the intermediate and in deep areas of the field. They were trying to take away as much of the short stuff as they could and take away as much as the run as they could. They did a pretty good job of doing that. But you know, at at the same time, you know, you got to be able to take advantage of what the defense is giving you. And they were giving us throws down the field and we did not do a good job of taking advantage of that. Some of that was offensive line not giving Kyron in time.

19:29 Some of that was Kyron missing a couple of those shots down the field when he had those one-on-one situations. Some of that was just a combination of play calling and just not not getting guys in spots of the field where Kyron could get comfortable. And I think that's kind of the the theme of the day is that we never, I think had a chance offensively to get Kyron really comfortable in the passing game in in those timing areas. And that kind of threw off his game as a whole when we look at him throwing the football deeper down the field. What about you? I don't know if you got to hear Brian, you got unfortunately disconnected there, but you know, couldn't run, struggles passing. We looked at the PFF and some of these guys got really good grades and they may have overall did fine, but overall as a unit, something we talked about and I think this is the truth, why you can't always judge PFF.

20:25 We were talking about it before we got on the night tally. Me, you and Brian. PFF never counts for like the big plays that screwed things up. It's just did you win or did you lose? Because you could win on 30 drop backs, you could win 20 of them. But what if the 10 you gave up three sacks that took you out of scoring range, that stopped drives? That's a hell of a lot more negative than somebody, you know, giving up a slight pressure. Yeah, there's there's no weight, there's no weight attached to the to the to the play by play grade. So. But what, what do you think, Charlie? You, you, you got to see the game live in the moment. So and I know you, you listen to Brian and and you do second reviews yourself, but what was wrong with the offensive line with you?

21:10 Kind of like, I mean, Thomas kind of hit it on the hit the nail on the head a little bit in in the chat when you talk about the slow developing pass plays, things like that, you know, predictable play calling sometimes that's the main two things. We'll just say that the slow developing pass plays where first play of the game, you drop Karen back to do whatever. We don't even get to see it because he's hit 10 yard loss and fumbles the ball. Thank the Lord we got on it. Like you just don't need that. You know, you don't need that. That's not what we do.

21:52 Well, that's not what he does. Well, you know what I'm saying? I just think we can do some things different and then it goes to the next one. What I said, predictable play calling, which is might be what they were trying to do. Hey, let's you know, everybody's seen this. Let's do something different. Georgia Techs defensive and offensive line were were really good like they're they're they're solid. I was going to say they're really good, but they're solid. They're going to be when we look back on this, we're going to go, hey, that was one of the better lines that we face. That was one of the better defensive lines that we face. They're very physical. They they were tough. You know what I'm saying that you can tell that they're well coached. So it starts in the churches and sometimes we just got, you know, you don't get beat and the only thing you can do to beat a better player on that play is to out scheming, which we did.

22:48 And we got some points when we out schemed them. So, you know, I'll take that. But yeah, the slow development plays and predictable play calling sometimes because I mean, you got to thank Tude had 80 yards and it was that was a tough 80 yards to get. But a lot of the plays that he was running and they would that we ran for him, we're plays that we've run all year. And like if you're a decent defensive coordinator, like you see the motions and you see the different setups and you like, I know what's coming here. You know what I'm saying? Like so got to find a way to throw some wrinkles in there and do some different things like that. Yeah. And and, and, and that's why I kind of going to pivot to what we're going to go to next and it's talking about the offensive play calling because I mean, first of all, the, the what have we been saying? We cannot be a 5050 team.

23:37 We were a 5050 team Saturday and we won. Thank you. Because I mean, the honest truth is it's a, it's a, it's a prayer. We won. But my thing is, and I want to talk to you all about this because I'm sitting here watching condensed, watching some highlights and I see what Georgia Tech's doing. And I know like, we shut them down. Who cares what they're doing if we attacked? Like that we would look good doing that. We would. It would have been 42 six. Right, rolling the pocket, you know, dumping off into the flats, hitting the crossing routes, you know, different things like that, Yeah.

24:20 Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I was alluding to. And I was talking about we didn't do enough early in the game to get Kyron comfortable because I mean, we talked about it on here before and and I'll keep preaching. I mean, when, when Kyron has confidence early in a game, he is a different football player. He is one of the best quarterbacks that you could have in the country. When he is confident early in a football game, when he doesn't get that early confidence, you know, he, he, he's, he's, he can be very average at times. And, and when, when that happens, you know, as a coordinator, you got to take a cue there and understand that I've got to get him comfortable. I've got to get him early wins.

25:02 And I don't think you know totality to your point that that opening play call, you know, it's aggression and it's a little bit off your normal schedule. But at the same time it it probably plays into Kyron's biggest weakness as a thrower and your offense's biggest weakness as a whole in terms of drop back pass protection. So, you know, you kind of played a little bit into the defense's hands, even though you were mixing up what, what your normal script would be. So you know that that kind of puts you behind the chains early and then you don't really kind of get into a good offensive rhythm until later in the in the first quarter there. And, and I think that that's a big thing for this Virginia Tech offense is that you've seen anytime we start early, we score points, anytime we don't start early, it's it's a slog. And, and so that's, that's something to keep an eye on and that's something to monitor.

26:02 And I think as a coaching staff, you got to address and say, we got to give this offense the chance to get some of those wins early. I mean, it doesn't always have to be the first drive. Like sometimes you just go have drives where they got your number right at the gate, but you got to find ways to get your quarterback comfortable in the passing game. So you can lean on your run game because that is the strength of your team. But if you're not able to get your quarterback comfortable, that's when the defense can tee up in the box and, and, and take away your biggest asset, which is that rushing attack. Well, let me ask this Brian and and I and I hit you up solo on this and Batali chime in as well. When they got to load in the box and you could see it, me watching condensed, you could see 7-8 guys around the box.

26:48 They knew where we were running the ball at times and what I didn't see were hot routes, quick throws, you know, like you say, Tally, just just something in the flat. They got aid in the box. If you're doing anything like pulling Basil out or Jay Lane to the flat or you're running a quick slant or a quick hitch or a quick out, sometimes that goes completely out of the playbook. Where I feel like we sit here, I listen to y'all and y'all would say if you just ran A4 yard slant where that linebacker snuck down into the box to Jay Lane. If the if the quarterback ain't right on his hip and that safety don't make the right step, see you, you're giving a 50 yard play.

27:29 And and I feel like we're not seeing that as much this year. At least I'm not again, my eyes aren't as trained as y'all's. Like we saw at times last year. Always go back to the Wake Forest play and it was like a 8 yard slant. They loaded the box. There was one safety up, the little RPO. That safety did a false step. Kyron put it right on Jay Lane and he housed it for 70 yards. And it's like, if you're going to loosen, why aren't? And Sheldon said it last week, and this is what irritates me. Kyron's intermediate passing game has gotten so much better this year. And it's like we just abandoned it. Abandoned first play of the game. We're going to go with a double move. Well, why don't you go with a play action like a crosser or Benji up the scene, like something where, you know, this is his comfort zone and it's like they try to go away from it and then we screw around and next thing you know, we're all sitting here, man, we going to do something stupid. We're going to lose this game.

28:25 They making brown smoke cigarettes. They make me slip on the bottle at the baseball game tally. I don't know what you're doing, but we all doing something, try to calm ourselves down, you know? Sorry, pacing through the house with my shirt off. Hey, that's what I'm doing. You know, and, and, and for that first down play like, let's call something like 1/2 roll and you know, get, get like 1/2 field read, do like a, you know, a, a, a go route with a deep crosser. You know, something where you get, you know, 11 read 2 read, check down. And and and make that something where if Kyron, if it ain't there, if he's got pressure, he can easily get rid of the football and and and play another down instead of having a guy in his face ball on the ground and you know, thankfully gets back on it. Yeah, I don't.

29:16 I mean, again, I'm not going to get on Tebow too much because some of it is execution from what I see. I have to put stuff on players, but players play, you know, can't miss blocks, can't miss people running wide open across the middle of the field, different things like that. But I will say, just looking at the team, I feel like Chris Marv knows what the identity is and he tries to stick to that. You know, he knows what his defensive identity is and for good or for bad, he's leaning into it and you can see him building on it each week. Now with our offense, I see us, it's kind of like we got a lot of shiny toys and whichever 1 is got new batteries, that's the one we use that week, you know what I'm saying? Like sometimes I kind of feel like that's how it is. And on one hand, you do need to see some different plays. Like I've seen some different plays that I haven't seen, you know, in in two years, you know, this game. Hey, we.

30:15 Got a Philly special? Yeah, Philly Special flea flicker. You know, I've seen a couple things like that. But also to do all that stuff, you still have to have our identity. You know what I'm saying? I still feel like we're trying to we're struggling to lean into that identity. So we got to do it. We we got to know what makes us good. We got to lead into that. And then some of the other stuff that can come off of that. So again, I compared like, you know, offense to defense of Marv to Tebow, but he both got his hands full because when we're good, we're good. When we're bad, we're bad on offense, you know what I'm saying? So I know he's I know he's trying.

30:57 That's not a middle, but so I know he's trying to, you know, make some things work. And he did it again, I got to give him his props. Like he's seen what we couldn't move the ball and we were having some problems and he pulled some stuff out that, you know, progressed us down the field, which is what we needed to win. But at the same time, I still think, like Curtis said, when we started this, you get some of those hot rods, like on the 1st drive, not the first drive, but the second drive, you know, when we hit Benji, he's wide open. You know what I'm saying? It was nothing but a hot rod, you know, So you did some motion to kind of mess them up and send somebody out to the flats and they don't know who to cover. And they think, well, actually what they did was it was pretty, that was pretty genius play call.

31:39 So they moved the tackle to the other side, you know, they moved the one tackle to the other side. So you got 2 tackles on one side. Yeah. So then you got Benji lined up on the on the line and it looks like he's a tackle, but he is a eligible receiver and he just hits hot right up the scene. So great play design, but you don't have to stop at one play. Like you can build off. You can build off that, off that, that set, you know what I'm saying? Just things like that. Let me let me put my thumb right on the problem and I'm going to I'm going to do it by asking a question when it comes to the passing game. What is the bread and butter of this offense?

32:21 Racial. Tune. Now I'm saying from a passing standpoint. The pass it don't work unless you got him. Right now that that's, that's my point. There's not really, you don't have a bread and butter play in this playbook that says when we need yards, when we need a first down, when we need 7, when we need 8. We don't have a play that's like, all right, this is what this is where Kyron feels the most comfortable. I don't feel like we've seen it. I feel like there are. We scheme ourselves into these situations and scheme our way out of them sometime. But we don't have a Kelly, you were talking about identity. We don't really have an identity from a passing standpoint that says we do this really good really consistently. Let me ask you this, Brian and Curtis too, but Brian said she said that because this is something I talk about a lot of times, no disrespect to our wide receivers, but I'm watching certain plays and I'm watching, you know, kind of going back and watching tape and things like that. Do you think that is is because we don't separate enough on our wide receivers aren't separate enough because sometimes we have the opportunity to make plays, but maybe somebody in the open, maybe somebody didn't see it.

33:35 What do y'all think is going on kind of with the receiver room? I don't, I think they do get separation. I don't think it's consistently. I don't think it's like it's not. It's to me. I would want it to be. Well, one person, one we won't be clear. One person gets separation all the time. But go ahead. I know who that is. I will let you mention in a little while here, that text I read while at the game was that play, but I think it's about it's not consistently, it's not consistently where, you know, you got somebody 75, somebody 60. You know, you got Felton who's a big guy, He's physical where you almost want to say is you've got to trust his big body to go get the ball.

34:17 You've got to trust they're going to win these battles. So it I don't think it's like to a point where it's like, Oh my God, they can never get separation. But it's not, I think it's to you what you said earlier, it's not at the comfort level it needs to be for Kyron to feel comfortable just letting the ball go. Like he knows he's going to get off that press or he's going to get the separation on that cut. And I will put it right there on them. Right. Yeah, I'm understanding that. Yeah, I'm, I, I think we got, we got some guys that they get separation. But I to to Curtis's point, I think the consistency is, is probably the bigger issue. And I think maybe when we think about separation and we think about how our offensive line is, I think we're not seeing separation maybe early in the snap as much as we want to see it.

35:06 I think our guys get open, but sometimes I think they get open at a time where Kyron's already either made a decision to step up, climb the ladder. I think sometimes, sometimes if he sees the tight coverage before the break, he's not always anticipating the separation out of the break. And so he kind of makes that decision there. So there's, there's there's a lot of different factors. I think that's playing into that. Some of that's on Kyra and some of that's on, you know, the receiver route running. So I think there's, there's blame across the board here, you know, even going going to the play call in itself, I think there's there's a little blame to be passed around. But like I said, I think I'd like to see us figure out what we really do well in the passing game and maybe lean on that a little bit more, especially when we have games like Georgia Tech where we really couldn't find consistency in the run game because of the way they were playing in the. Box right?

36:03 I'm I'm going to say this and it's and it's going back to simple, it's schematics tally like you mentioned a little while ago, move in the pocket, rolling Kyron out. That's a scheme thing because what that does y'all know both from playing the second that pocket is rolled like on a second and 8th you roll the pocket on it's a pass play. Wait a second though. If, if, if we F up and he gets a step, Kyron can get 10 yards. If if we really F up he can get 35. Right. We're not putting them, we're not putting the defense to have to make a decision because what normally happens when the pocket rolls, safety or linebackers do something, they move out of the place. What usually happens there is a you're running somebody right into where the potentially that gap could be, right. Oh, I'm going to run a little crosser. Well, that safety just came up because he saw Kyron. Well, now Kyron's got an easy third down field. Oh, he didn't come up.

36:54 Well, now it's going to be the linebacker trying to beat Kyron to the boundary and regardless, Karen's going to get the positive yards. The other thing that I we have not seen I feel like since the first month of the season where the orbit motions with Jane Logan go. Why aren't we orbit motioning guys in the backfield? Because y'all know that's a separation creator and that's moving guys. That's the safeties looking. Wait a second, where'd he just go? Well, he just came off the left side. Oh, I'm in cover too. I got to see where he is because if he comes back up the scene, he's probably coming into my zone. It's like we're not doing schematic things that could open guys up that could make getting separation easier. And to me that goes back to Tyler Bowen. Like, dude, these things are easy. And if they're not working, if they've got it figured out, then you put it back in the lunch, you put it back in the playbook and say I'm not going to do that today. But that's what irritates me because when I see a pocket roll for a semi mobile quarterback, oh, and they break 06 yards. Well, now it's third and two, that defense is all in a bond, right?

37:56 What are they going to do? They're going to run facial, they're going to run Chiron. They're going to run some little pass. They're going to take a deep shot. You know, they're going they're going to run a little screen. Everything's open. And we're not doing that. We're effectively not putting ourselves in good situations like that and it's irritating. Yeah. I mean, I think when we look at the motion, I, I think that, you know, we've talked about it. Bowen has done a really good job with motion to scheme for certain plays. But I, I, I would like to see him being, being a little more consistent with how we use motion to isolate guys in, in favorable matchups to, to just, you know, to just move the sticks.

38:40 I feel like we, we do a good job on those kind of those big plays, those, those, those plays where we're going to get chunk plays, but we don't use motion really well just to get a guy 5 or 6 yards. And you could. And I and I think that's where, where, where there could be some improvement. That's it right there. That's it right there. It's the little small gains that instead of making it third and eight, it's third and two or third and three and then everything's open. And and you all both know it's like because we as fans just say, what are they going to do? And they just going to run a little zone read option. They just going to run off tackle inside zone, power run. Everything's open and the defense got to guess. And if defense screws up and guesses on our team and I know we're not always pumping them up, but if you screw up and mess around with our team and somebody gets it and there's nobody there, it's not a 10 yard gain, it's 30, it's 40 or it's a house call and then you sit over here right now we're down. All right, let me let me get off that because I can go on forever.

39:42 This was bad. Now it seems better tally throughout the game, tech techs and X back on the sideline exert. Then I saw the Tooting play and it was just like oh God here we go again. But if y'all didn't get to hear it and prize presser, I know we were trying to listen to it while we were working. Both are probable. And did y'all see the J Lane interview? Yeah, yeah, I've seen the clip from it. Did you? See. Go ahead, Tally. And for those who haven't seen it, what J Lane said about Basil Thuden. He did pretty much said he was a drama queen whenever he gets hurt and that he will be fine. He'd be ready to go. So you know, it's just a team thing, man. They, you know, they talk to each other all the time, They seeing each other all the time.

40:28 So you know, they won't they want their brother to be out there ready to play. But you know, there is something that you still got to worry about because if he if he is a little GIMP, you know what I'm saying, he's going to get nicked up in the game. You know, you got to find some ways to, you know, protect him and also, you know, when you have a ankle sprain or something like that, you know it it could cause you not to have the same burst that you have without having that ankle sprain. So something to keep an eye on. But even more than that, which is really important. You know, X has got nicked up a lot. You know, it's not just been one thing that you can pick or two things like, you know, shoulder knee, one game, ankle one game.

41:13 So that's a big man, you know what I'm saying? Every time he goes down, you like, oh Lord, because it's a big, He's a big piece of the big piece of the puzzle that we need to move forward and be good. Yeah, and I mean, we talked about the, you know, the the PFF grades there and he didn't have good Pratt Pass programs in this in this particular matchup. And you know, some of that can be attributed to pretty much having a a bum shoulder for the majority of the snaps he saw in that game. But you know, to me, Pride coming out and saying two players are probable to play means they're playing because Pride is very, he's very forthcoming with a lot of things, but he is rarely forthcoming with the status of a player that is injured.

41:58 So if he's being forthcoming with that, then they're playing. This is true. Very true. All right. Let's wrap this up real quick. Kind of put the last two questions back-to-back. Brian, anything that you weren't prepared for Saturday while looking at tape during the game? I know you were doing some things. I thought we would win more in the receiving game. I thought it was going to be a similar situation to like we saw against Stanford where you know they might load the box. They already have a pretty good rush defense, but we'll be able to take advantage of some of what they do in the secondary, and for a variety of reasons that just never came to fruition outside of a handful of plays.

42:43 All right, tally anything you want purple because you watched it in live in color with your shirt off. Walk around the house. Yeah, I mean, pretty much what Brian said that when you talk about the passing game, but I'll go a little bit step farther. Like I wasn't prepared for us to not be productive in the passing game like I thought we would be and still win the game by two, two touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? Like that was pretty impressive. I guess you can play because I talked to Chris a lot, you know, shout out to Chris Lester, my guy. And we talked about like this was going to be the game where they were going to load the box, we were going to have to throw the ball and going to make Kyron beat us with his arm and we beat him about two touchdowns. Still wasn't as effective as I thought we would be or needed to be, but still 1:21 to 6:00 so I wouldn't prepare for that. Yeah, gritty, gritty win for a team that under pride hasn't had a ton of wins like that.

43:43 Right? So still. Double digits, but it didn't feel double digits. No, it was, it was a, it was a very tightly contested game despite like I said, having the the arm's length lead for for the majority of that game. So yeah, I agree with you, Tally. All right, y'all heard mine a little earlier. It's just the defensive snap counts because a lot of young guys getting involved, the rotations getting heavier, Burgos playing a lot, Nelson playing a lot Ace and Steven getting 10 snaps APR, the defensive tackles keeping that rotation. That's what I love to see because as the season gets on, especially the defense, everybody gets nicked. And now it's that point where if you see Aeson Stevens in like he got 10 steps, but if you see him pop in, it's like it's all right. He he can get things done.

44:33 He's been in there for 10 steps and you call his name at least two times in those ten snaps. I mean, he's making his presence felt within those 10 plays. Yep, all. Right. What can we do better moving forward? Jonathan Talley. Passing game we got to do, we got to make that passing game better, whether that's getting, you know, separation or that's, you know, hitting those crossing routes or if that's calling some like everything in the passing and we got to do it better. I mean, you got to have an identity, but you can't be A1 dimensional team and and win these last four games. You know, we don't need all hands on deck. So we got to get that passing game moving, you know, in the right direction. Ron.

45:14 We've got to start connecting on some of those deep one-on-one opportunities because you you can get yourself out of some stacked boxes if you start making defenses pay for that. And I think we did a better job of that last year than we've done at any point this year. I think scheme wise, we've hit some big plays this year. I don't think we went out there and won a ton of one-on-one matchups with the deep ball down the field. All right, there we go there and mine is just keep finishing, keep finishing, drive in the red zone, keep finishing like we did at the end, keep finishing teams off on 3rd and 4th down. Because if you keep doing that effectively, you break teams wills when you do that, when you keep scoring touchdowns or would they get inside the red zone?

46:04 They can't score or they kick field goals. You, you, you just kind of see it on people's faces in their hearts. It's like, man, we just they're going to get in or we ain't getting in. And and that's one of those things it builds confidence when you see the D confidence that the other team has. All righty, as you all know, we are brought to you by the counts family pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy, three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg. Let's get over. Let's get to know the enemy and let's talk about the Syracuse Orange man current record of five and two. And we do want to start with their offensive side of the ball. And Brian, this offense is led by Jeff Nixon and Co OC Michael Johnson.

46:49 Give us a little info on these two guys. Yeah, it's very much a, it's a spread offense. I mean you're getting A and it's a throw first offense. It's very it's kind of air raid esque, but they definitely throw the ball down feel a little bit more than you would be used to in an air raid concept there. They care a lot more about just getting those the ball in those playmakers hands and they do about any sort of offensive balance. I mean it it's basically a 6535 pass to to run there and at times it doesn't even feel like that. They are very much a a pass first offense and it starts and ends with Kyle McCord. All right, Callie, let's get some background on McCord because I think most people know him. Oh, Kyle McCord transferred in from Ohio State. He is a New Jersey kid, I believe, had some good offers coming out of high school.

47:46 High 4 star, I think 92 was about where he was at. Came in highly, you know, in the transport portal, highly, highly ranked, came to Syracuse. And for the most part, you know, he's been effective this year. He's kind of been AI don't know a tale of two years, two halves for him. I heard early in the season how great he was. But then I also heard later in the season was, see, there he is. That's why you know, he had to leave Ohio State because he couldn't make stuff work with those wide receivers he had there. He never going to be able to make it work. So anyway, stat wise, we know he has 19 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. How many came last Thursday?

48:29 Say. 5506 was it 5 or 655 and 1:00? Three of them were picked. Six of the pick now I will say this and I'll let you know Brian, get into it a little bit. I've learned to try to, you know, go week by week with these talking about teams and looking at teams. And also I try to just wait till we're getting ready to play them because I heard that this team was Syracuse at the beginning of the season, same as Georgia Tech. All they're going to kill us all. They're just so talented. They this well, I'm looking at their record. I've never paid attention to it. Syracuse played Ohio beat them 38 to 22.

49:12 Georgia Tech beat them 31 to 28. Stanford lost to them. 2624 Holy Cross, 42 to 14, UNLV, they won 44 to 41 in overtime. North Carolina State, they beat them 24 to 17. And then Pitt, they got Skull Drug 41 to 13, which so again, you kind of see, like, of course, every team's different, every week's different. But I think Pitt's defense was something more than Syracuse has seen this season.

49:52 You know, even Georgia Tech being a solid team early in the season, their defense ain't on the level that pits is. I don't think they defense on the level ours is. So I'll go right there. Brian, what you think about Mr. McCord? Yeah. I mean, you kind of said it. And I mean, when we look at what he does, he's really a pocket oriented gunslinger. He's got some athletic ability, but he's not a guy that's going to take off and run consistently. That's not his bread and butter. He's the guy that's going to sling it from the the pocket there. And I emphasize gunslinger in the Brett Favre sense of the word, that it's either going to be something big or it's going to be an interception. Anything can happen.

50:38 Literally he throws on the run pretty well, but again, still less of a threat to kind of take off in that aspect. And and from a arm talent standpoint, I mean, he can make all the throws, but he is risky with the football. You know, in the pit game, you look at that three of those interceptions, all three of the ones that were pick sixes were bad throws. Not not, not not throws that you should be making in those situations. You got, you got to be smarter with the football there. You know, he had a couple that were just, you know, tip balls probably probably shouldn't have taken the risk, but it, it was a calculated 1 and things just went the other way.

51:19 But we're going to get some opportunities to, to have the ball go in our direction with, with Common Core throwing the ball. But he is going to make our guys cover, you know, 5 receivers 6570% of the time. So we're going to have to be ready. We're going to have to take tackles because they're going to want to get that ball in the open space. That last three games, do you know how many times he's threw the ball? How? Many. Against Pitt, he threw the ball 64 times, Against North Carolina State he threw the ball 42 times and against UNLV they went into overtime, he threw the ball 63 times. I can't believe his arm mate fell off. That ain't that's just the last three. I ain't even going into the other games. Lord have mercy.

52:14 Lord have mercy. Well, hold on, let let me do something real quick here because I guess I'm up to look. So that's like 160 times. He threw it 42 when they lost to Stanford. Who was 42 and they lost to Stanford. And hold on, I got it up here. I'm going to talk about in a second couple of the guys Brian picked out to say we got to talk about these two guys who he throws to cause sort of the whole thing. He's went 364 in seven game, 346 in seven games. He's throwing the ball 50 * a game. Karen. Damn, T he going to throw it 50 times? Yeah, that's if they win or they lose. So let's talk about a couple guys he's throwing to. I want to talk about Brian, the first one here because he's listed as a tight end, but you know, sometimes they lie because he was listed on 247 as a wide receiver. Ron Gadsden, the second out of American Heritage down to Fort Lauderdale, was a 84 when he came out. So a low three star, even though his dad was a NFL wide receiver on the Dolphins for five seasons back in the late 90s. Two thousands.

53:23 So obviously he's got a bloodline there so far this season, 35 catches for 466 yards. His Big Bang game was against UNLV. He went 10 for 1:42 and a for 10 for 142. Big piece about him right now. He's got only three touchdowns this year in those seven games. So Brian, he's 65. He's about 2:15. Tell me what to do with him. Yeah, I mean, he's he's definitely the classic Joker tight end. Yeah, he's not going to, you know, be a guy that's, you know, running a quick hitch or or a huge red zone threat. But he is a guy that will run the seam in the wheel with regularity.

54:09 He's a guy that they'll use on those quick hitters. So I don't know if we'll see, I don't know if we'll see that that damn RPO to the tight end like we've seen every other team run against us in the last month. But he has the capability of turning that into a, you know, pretty, pretty good play there. Yeah. So he's the guy that we're going to to to keep our eyes on. Like I said, I'm more worried about him up the sea and on those wheel routes than I am necessarily doing anything near the red zone. All right, got that noted. All right. Next guy I want to talk about is a guy by the name of Jackson Meeks.

54:51 And Charlie, I'm on pivot to you in just a second before Brian jumps on him. Jackson Meeks, originally a recruit to Georgia back in the year 2021 Central High School, Phoenix City, Alabama, and so far this season, 43 catches, 512 yards, 4 touchdowns. He's got the last five, excuse me, the last six games, well, we have been over 8 plus receptions, 2 / 10 of those, 2110 for 161 against Holy Cross. That makes sense that he absolutely torched NC State 11 for 1/16 and a touchdown tally. Let's get a little bit of background on him. Phoenix City and Central, What type of program is that down there?

55:39 A. Beast. Everybody who's good from Alabama comes from now. I'm pretty sure there are 7A schools, so biggest in the state of Alabama. They continue to pump out talent every year. I can't remember the name, but Auburn's freshman wide receiver that they got last year, he looks like Megatron. He came from Central Central. Phoenix City played basketball as well. I'll find his name here in a minute. But yeah, Phoenix City is always a great school, always very, very talented in every sport. But definitely they're bread and butter football like they that's, that's what they do that. So anybody coming from that program is usually pretty talented.

56:31 All right, Brian, would you see on film? Yeah, I mean, he's there. Definitely their best all around wide receiver. He can do a little bit of everything. He can move the sticks. He can catch him down the field really good at at high point the ball and uses his size to kind of get that position on those deep balls down the field or in in those stick moving situations. So really got we got to kind of look at in all aspects of his game because he can definitely beat you a bunch of different ways. All righty tell who we were looking at next. We'll go to Lapointe Allen, the running back. He was a three star coming out of high school, New Jersey kid didn't have a ton of offers. You know it have UVA in there, Temple, Rutgers, Syracuse. So ended up going to Syracuse.

57:25 He's a 2022 kid. He so he's a junior. He's got about 109 carries this year for 481, so 4 touchdowns. So that's what the stats that we have on him. Brian, what kind of film do you have on him? Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll make a note here. He's 3rd on the team in receptions right now. I'd say he's a threat as a runner and a receiver. I, I, I'd consider him just probably a little bit more of a receiving threat than than as a runner. You know, he's a, he's a, I'd say an average ACC running back, but he's a very good receiving threat, really good to the screen game and in space. And he catches just like a, a wide receiver. So he's got really good hands.

58:15 All righty, Brian, one last piece to flip on. Let's talk about the offensive line. You know, what did you see on tape that any numbers specifically stand out to you? I mean, they they surrender a lot of sacks. Good. We can. We can sack this, we can sack this quarterback especially. They struggled a lot with elite edges one-on-one and they struggle a lot when you bring some pressure packages. So we should be able to get to the backfield. The questions going to be do we get home? Are they going to try to get rid of the ball quickly? Are they are we going to let them get open quickly in the snap?

58:55 That's really going to be, you know, whether or not we struggle with this offense is whether or not we can get pressure on McCord with with regularity. And y'all wondering how bad they are? They are 97th in sacks allowed, about 2 1/2 per game. And obviously we played Stanford. We know Stanford's fast rush is not what it is. Pitt usually has 1. And I have to go look up at those numbers. But just kind of look here, Brian, you said the tackle struggle and it does show that they're two highest tackles City on Washington, Demetrius Witherspoon, they both get over 500 snaps. You do the mathematics in seven games. That makes sense that they're pretty much the starters. Washington 62 graded in pass block in Witherspoon, you know, 67.

59:47 So not that elite where you want to be. When you look at the competition they played, that's more of the issue there. It's who you played. Y'all should be easily in the 70s. You're in the 60s and you have not played an elite pass rusher and we. And as soon as they ramped it up last week, we saw what the fuck happened. You went on mute, Curtis. Can you hear me now on mute? Yes, Sir. Oh man, it didn't messed up Umamento. I'm back. He broke it. Maybe I'm not. Yeah, you're good, You're good. I don't know, it's, it's all jacked up with me. All right, So this thing just has a mind of its own. Let's go over to the defensive side of the ball led by Elijah Robinson and Robert Wright.

1:00:45 I know I read earlier this week that Robinson is the play caller. Brian, what kind of scheme are they looking at here? Yes, it's a familiar one here, buddy. It's a 425 very pressure oriented scheme. They mix up their their their pressures a lot. They're they're very much not a predictable team. They're not just going to blitz on obvious downs. They're going to confuse you. They're going to bring bring pressure from different levels. They can bring pressure on different down and distances. So they're going to keep you on your toes a little bit with how they attack an offensive line. All right, Tally who you got up first because I, I, I know you, you're addressing what always worries you with teams. Mr. Fidel digs a big time recruit coming out of high school, you know, pretty much a five star, you know, 4 star high 4*5* player transferred in from Texas A&M to Syracuse this this year.

1:01:49 Again, big time player had all the offers, all the SEC schools and he's he's, he's a solid player. Been, you know, going to be a nightmare for somebody coming off the edge, which Brian probably would be a nightmare for somebody coming off the edge. No disrespect to Brian, but I'm just saying we got to do some things that's going to neutralize him because he can cause some problems. Probably what you got on Mr. Deeds. Yeah, I mean his initial step, he's really good off the snap, probably not elite from a complete Rep standpoint, but really good get off really strong hands, can use those to kind of get get tackles off balance. Shed shed the blocker there, but when he gets home he's a pretty good tackler.

1:02:39 He he he definitely has a a tendency when he gets there he's going to get you on the ground. So he's going to be a handful and and hopefully a certain somebody doesn't see a whole lot of him he's. Got 4 sacks as well. 8 1/2 tackles for loss, too, and he's got like 30 tackles in general. So it shows a little bit of a motor from the end position. So he is definitely somebody we have to keep an eye on it. We've got to neutralize. You tell me he's got one sack or less. I will feel good about Saturday. Honestly, I'd feel great about Saturday. All right, I'm gonna go to the back end, Brian, because they've got a pretty damn good cornerback there by the name of Clarence Lewis. Clarence is from New Jersey.

1:03:28 He went to Maitre-d' high school in Middletown. The class of 2020, initially went to Notre Dame. Now coming out not looked as a high star recruit, just an 87. So kind of in that middle range there. But you know, you take a look at what he's done so far in just a few seasons or in, excuse me, in this season at Syracuse, so far, 16 tackles. He's already got a pick. He's got 5 past deflections in seven games. That tells me he's keeping an eye on things. He goes and gets it. His career at Notre Dame where effectively he played four full seasons. So this is his COVID season while he was there. 3 picks along with 18 past deflections in Four Seasons.

1:04:16 Obviously he would have solved some of these Hokies way back. It would have been what, 2021 when he was a true sophomore there? If y'all can remember, we played them because he did play in all 13 games. Don't remind me of that game. I'm just saying he's seen some people on this team, not many of them, but some of them. But what? What's he got, Brian? Yeah, he's a very, very strong zone coverage cornerback. Really good at reading routes, anticipating throws. When it comes to man coverage, I'd, I'd give him an average grade. He's really good. Kind of early in the in the snap we look at things like double moves or tracking the ball deep down field.

1:05:02 That's where he struggles at times. You know, you can get some penalties on him, you can get beat. He doesn't really do a good job of tracking the ball and going and get it in the air that way. But when it comes to breaking on a ball in those short to intermediate zones, that's where he's really strong all. Righty Valley, we got one more gentleman to look at who was our last contestant with Know the Enemy. Yeah. So Mr. Justin Baron, he's a senior. Many thought he was going to go in the draft last year, but he ended up coming back, I think for his fifth year to try to put on and do something special at Syracuse. He's a 64225 back there in defensive back this year. Looks like he is got about 25.

1:05:57 I'm sorry, 42 tackles, 25 of them are solo tackles, one INT. He was about a three star player coming out of high school. Had a couple of offers from some ACC schools, Boston College being one of them. And of course, Syracuse is where he went. So yeah, it looks solid back there. Looks like a, you know, physical specimen. Brian, what you got on when you see tape? Yeah. And, and he's kind of been a guy that's moved in different spots on this defense as we've gotten into the season. He's kind of settled in an outside linebacker despite having that defensive back pedigree. So he's kind of that converted safety, played outside linebacker, Rover and free at various points in his career with Syracuse. Good tackler, you know, above average quickness, what you would expect from a safety, but you know, much like that he can get swallowed when he's inside of the box. They're a little undersized overall and doesn't have a ton of experience playing in the box between the tackles all. Righty, so there are three guys we are looking at this week. I'm going to throw another name to your cuz we're probably going to hear his name a lot Saturday just because of where he plays Mike linebacker Derek McDonald, 48 total tackles Ty with bearing for the lead.

1:07:20 He is in the middle of that defense. So if you hear that name a lot, don't be shocked. But y'all, let's let's go over we. We know what they do. We know they do have some weapons. We do see some things we do and don't like, but let's talk about what our keys to this victory are. Tally and we'll let you get up to the plate 1st and Smash 1 here. Yeah, so let me see, Keys to Victory for me is going to be secondary. You got to earn your reputation. You know, we got a all ACC all American cornerback back there and Dorian Strong. Well, guess what buddy?

1:08:03 You going to get your opportunity to wear that satchel with some pride this week because they're probably going to drop back and throw the ball 50 times. I think defensive lines don't try to get to the quarterback. He's going to get the opportunity to pick something off. You know, we got to know what we doing. Hey, let's take one to the house, man. Let's say we want to be DBU. Let's just be DBU. So that's what I'm saying. Secondary, you don't have to earn your stripes this week. All righty, Brian, what about you? No slow starts on offense. Get Kyron comfortable early. Establish the line of scrimmage with the run game.

1:08:45 Get out there, score a touchdown, get some points on the board. Put the pressure on that Syracuse offense to have to keep pace with us from an offensive standpoint. All right, we will have Sheldon here this week. Shelton actually went on the inactive list very early today. 1 going to be able to make it. Shelton, we miss you as always this week and I know you hate this stat, but I think it's when we've got to live by. The mantra is it's going to be money downs on both sides of the football. So at converting third downs, Syracuse is 6 in the country. They convert almost half of their third downs. 3rd down defense.

1:09:27 They ain't too shabby as well. They are the 12th ranked third down defense in the country with teams converting less than 30% on them. So there's two ways about this right? Offense, Don't ever get to 3rd down. Get it on 1st and 2nd. Don't ever get to 3rd down. Don't let us strength defense upfront. APR Peebles, all y'all go eat, make the third downs damn near impossible for them to get to. And when it's third and 10 and 3rd and 11 attacks attack finish at the quarterback. But that is 2 of their strengths. So going to wrap that up.

1:10:11 That's our three keys to victory. And Brian, how do you see this one playing out and what's your prediction for the game? Yeah, I I think the Hokies stand this one. I think it may end up being a little bit more of a grind than we want it to be, but I think we get the job done. At the end of the day, give me 2721 Hokies. All righty, I'm going to go next because Tally, you're officially, you're officially in the clean up position for the rest of the year rest. Of the year. I'm also going to go Hokies on this one, especially once the news with Chaplain and Tooting came out that they're likely going to play, probably going to be playing through some pain. We are Four Point Rd. favorites.

1:10:58 That was the last time I checked. I don't know if that's went up or down. I was a little bit starting. At 3 1/2 bumped up to four. I don't. I don't think it's changed since. I don't think it's changed since then, but I'm going to go 2823 and I think it's going to be the Syracuse is going to have their own undoing. They're going to be at like the 15. It's going to be like 4th and five would like 8 minutes to go and they go kick a field goal and then we're going to bleed out the clock. We're going to bleed out the clock. They will get the ball back with about 9 seconds left and Dorian Strongs on get a pick to seal the game. If all that happened. Curtis Curtis got a script. Yeah, I'm going to say if all that happened, shit, we're going to let Curtis go pick some numbers. If all that happens, yeah, we'll, we'll be, we'll be going, we'll be going to the grocery store and buying a lottery ticket Saturday night.

1:11:47 Yeah, exactly. Well, hey, I got to stay true, man. Bulletin board material. I'm going with QS, man. I'm going with QS. I'm going to say QS 3521. You know, I haven't seen us really win a close game yet. A lot of people think it's going to be close. And again, two of our losses have been on the road. So they've been proving me wrong the last three games. I mean they proved me wrong. I want them to continue proving me wrong. Plaster me up on the in the in the locker room and them ugly ass lockers y'all got and say we going to prove this guy wrong again. Oh nevermind, we going to their house so they lock us. Might not be ugly, but our lock us is ugly. Oh, that place.

1:12:36 Is have have you seen the Dome? You know them lock they you got to climb stairs to get them some bitches that. Place, by the way, not a way. And so we hadn't beat Georgia Tech at home in 12 years. How long has it been since we won in the Dome? It's been too long, but we hadn't played a ton of them. I played a ton of them, but do you do you know? Probably 20. Go ahead. I was gonna say 24 years. 24 years. I was going to take last week's 12, multiply it by 224 years. NB 7 was the quarterback.

1:13:17 Yeah, yeah, it was 2000. I was in high school. He was in high school. He was in high school. That's how damn long it's been. It's time. Curtis is just That's another way for Curtis to call us old. The. Whole thing about our podcast is we don't desire being old. We don't go out there trying that young. I think I was in middle school. Were you? In middle school in 2000. Yeah, well, because the football season would have been. Yeah, never mind, it'd be 20. I was in high school because I graduated in O4. I was thinking it would have been 99 and then, but now it's the 2000 season.

1:13:58 The 2000 season so there you got pressure in high school I'm not seeing you in high school all right let's move on as always, we have fun Brian, you didn't send me the update, man. You didn't send me the update. Send me the update. Hang on, hang on. I don't even. I think I had a decent week. I think I did all. Right, it's coming your way all. Right, I'm looking forward now. We are trying to get Shelton's prediction as well. Y'all Shelton again started his new job last week. He's trying to find an apartment. He's commuting back and forth. He's doing all sorts of stuff. But there is the big screeners. Let's get that tabulation up there, Brian, pop it up. Week 10 big screeners last week, believe it or not, Brian, Talley, Miranda, Jason all went 500 along with Shelton. Everybody went three and three except me four and two back in the winning category.

1:14:52 I am above 500. I'm joining Brian there. Curtis is the band. Curtis is the band. I hate the band. I just, I just hit it right last week. Yeah, you got those feelings. You just you go out, you bet them you feel good about it and. Curtis. Curtis is either, I mean looking at it, Curtis is either hitting three or more right or like 1. Like, or if you ride with me, be willing to burn because if it starts bad, you're usually going to be up in flames before we figure out anything. All right, But we got big screeners. Before we go to big screen, before we go to big screeners, Yeah, Just want to ask. Yeah, besides our game, because we got our game over with early.

1:15:36 I was so happy. Like, I'm OK, I'm OK with the because here's 11:00, watch our game, we win, I'm having a great day. What other games did y'all watch? Because I'm going to tell you, I watched the Vanderbilt, Texas game and I knew it was going to be a close game and Vandy almost had a chance to pull that game off. They did let me think. I watched the fourth quarter of that game. I watched the early quarters of the Alabama game blow out. I was all over the place. I was watching mostly highlights other than our game because I was on the road for most of that and I I didn't get back till like almost 1030.

1:16:21 I left at the start of the fourth quarter for our game. So that's why Tally was clutch coming through because ESPN had fucked up the game cast. So you couldn't follow, you couldn't follow the game on the on the app. I didn't have good enough service to to stream it on my phone, so Tally came through in the clutch and was giving me the giving us the play by play in real time in the group chat so. Hey, the man, Hey the man. We do it together. All right, so there's three. I watched Tally and then at night I watched some of the Miami, FL State game, the LSU, Texas A&M game, and then I closed it out watching SMU, Duke and I, I ain't never seen anything like y'all.

1:17:04 You watching that game? Duke didn't want to win they. Didn't. They did not want to win the. Field goal and you. I think SMU turned it over six times. Six freaking times. Every time they got the ball, they turned it over and Duke just couldn't win it. I feel like we about to talk about that a little bit here. Yeah. Oh yeah, we got to talk about that. We got to talk about that because the first game up. Oh, by the way, there's another one. Hold on, Did y'all watch the game last Wednesday night? Tell me y'all watch the end of it. Who wasn't Allstate Liberty? No, I didn't watch it. I heard about. It Kennesaw State is an FCS transitioning program to FBS. They had not beaten an FBS team ever. Ever.

1:17:54 And they beat Liberty's ass. It was such a glorious thing. Yeah, I think I threw the tweet out there. I was like, Liberty fans talked all that shit to lose the Kennesaw State on a Wednesday night. An O and 16. No one's 16 all right, but let's get to them big screeners, Brian, right out the gate, huge ACC matchup. Huge matchup for the Hokies if they are to make it to Charlotte. Pitt and SMU, both undefeated and ACC play. SMU effectively avoided that bullet Saturday night because you couldn't find a guy to kick a 22 yard field goal for the win and and then they didn't trust him enough in overtime.

1:18:34 They had to go for two. And some of you laying 7 1/2. Brian, why'd you pick it and who you got? Yeah, I picked it because this fucking matters from a Virginia Tech standpoint. If we want to see Charlotte looking long term big picture here, you know, we need to at this point probably win the every remaining game on our schedule if we want to want to go and and and play where we want to play. Mainly because if you look at the remaining schedule for SMU, they've got pit and then they got some mostly light work the rest of the way. SMU schedule as far as a first first time P4 ACC team is as cake as they could have lined it up.

1:19:26 Just looking at that big picture, pit really going to be really the the biggest test they're going to have in the entire slate of the ACCI know it's at SMU but them getting 7 1/2 is fucking wild to me. So because honestly, SMU's wins haven't been that impressive. So give me pit and I'm I'm picking pit here. So y'all mark this on your calendars. This is a red letter day that Brian Siegler has chosen Pitt in any context because I will usually avoid that team like the play. 100%, but you had it in this one because of the enormity of the match up.

1:20:10 Yeah, this this is where the first of the dominoes have to fall for the Hokies to make it in the Hokies or themselves. Obviously we got to win Saturday afternoon at Syracuse, but we take care of that. We need because by the way, this is who Pitt has left BC, not even at BC. So they ain't got to travel a long ways. They get to stay at home. They don't have to play up in the cold. They go to UVA and then they got Cal at home. You talk about SMU. Yeah, SMU. That's their last three opponents. Oh, I thought you said Pitt. So that that's why I. Was no, no, no. So I was saying this is their hardest one. The the thing I will say if you take a look, best defense SMU seen all year is BYU. They held him to 15 points.

1:20:59 Give me Pitt, give me the 7 1/2. Pitt wins a game outright. Sheldon is riding with you and me here, Curtis Tell. Tally what you. Got I'm riding, I'm riding with Pitt too. Our dudes are going if you give him, you give him the ball 6 times, he going to do something with it. I don't like it, but if you turn that ball over six times, he probably not losing. Go ask Syracuse. Hey, true, true. Miranda is riding with SMU here, and the man himself is riding with us and Pitt. Gentlemen, 5:00 to 1:00. 5 to one. Yep.

1:21:42 All righty Curtis, where are we heading? We are heading to Death Valley, South Carolina, Louisville versus Clemson, Clemson laying 10 1/2 points here and I chose this one obviously because I know we've got to see. We've been probably all watching Clemson a little bit as they've been getting closer and closer to the game. This is one week before. So obviously got to going to keep an eye out or we'll be keeping an eye on this game. Louisville can score and we've seen that numerous times. Louisville don't play much defense and I think when they go down there, they're going to get locked down defensively.

1:22:24 I think Clemson is going to be tuning up to get ready to come to Lane Stadium. I think Clemson wins this one big. They easily cover the 10 1/2. I think this is a blowout by 20 plus. I'm not seeing a blowout here, but I am seeing a solid Clemson V14 to 17 points, so I'm riding with you and the Tigers. Sheldon's riding with us too. Tally you on board. Oh yeah, I got to go Clemson. You know, Clemson's had a pretty easy schedule, man, besides Georgia. I mean, they, they've been pretty caked. So they do got to pay Pitt later on.

1:23:05 They play us and they do play Pitt. But other than that, man, they've kind of we'll when I say us, we'll see what us do. But. They. Had it pretty. They've had it pretty cake. So we'll see how Clemson handles Louisville. Regardless of how our game shakes out, you know they'll we should still be top five, top six team in the conference. So we'll still be in the top heavy end of the of the conference. But hopefully we go ahead and take care of business this week and we can actually have some to to talk about next week with that Clemson game. 100% Miranda and Jason.

1:23:46 Everybody's riding Clemson Queensland baby. And if y'all did not know the clean suite losing streak snapped last week, it snapped last week on the Vandy game. Yep, everybody pick Vandy. Vandy snapped our streak. Mandy Damner won that thing out, right? So that was crazy. All righty. Next we have Shelton's pick. North Carolina, Florida State. And as Shelton sent us the text message of this game, this is effectively the toilet bowl of the ACC. This year, we've got FSU getting points at home getting 2 1/2 versus UNCUNC, whose defense has been trash, Absolutely shut UVA down last week, which just makes you shake your head.

1:24:32 So Brian Sigler, where are you going with this one? I think we're going to get another Jeff Collins special. Give me UNCI don't like anything that Florida State's doing. I don't know they they broke, man. I don't know what the fuck happened but they are broke. But you know what you just need though? Every time something broke, they just need somebody who has something more broken. And I know they held UVA to 14, but that UNC defense has been just like a paper bag, a wet paper bag. Usually everybody's breaking through it. I think this is FSU's biggest win of the year. They win, they get the points, FSU high scoring. Be willing to maybe take the over on this one. I don't know what it is I'll find. Florida Stakes is going to is going to score points. Florida State score.

1:25:26 So OK, hold on, wait a second. I'm I'm just do something real real quick here bro. Over Under 28 points for Florida State's offense Over Under. 28 points over OK over over. UNC has given up ready 70344141 at some of their giving UPS. It don't matter Florida State anything to score that all right, They can't catch. They can't catch. They don't have a quarterback out of three of them to rub together to make one. Yeah, All right.

1:26:07 Sheldon is riding with me. Tally, we know who you riding with. You just gave them away and that last two wonderful contributors, North Carolina and Jason, we got a split family. That that was I was most. This is the most unexpected outcome. I was not expecting a a split on this one. Me neither. I thought, I thought this would lean UNC's way at least 4-2. But you know what? We move. All right, Sally, where we going, man? So next we're going to like, Curtis said, The big one, Ohio State and Penn State.

1:26:48 I hate Penn State, man. I hate Ohio State, but I hate Penn State. So there's. No rhyme of reason. Yeah, there's no rhyme of reason. I'm just going to say Ohio State's going to win all. Right, You know what, Penn State getting 3 1/2 at home just don't quite sit sit well with me, I think. Ohio. State do it Brian, don't do it I. Think Ohio State pulls out the West, but I'm going to Penn State here in that 3 1/2. So welcome to Jonathan Talley's Player Hater Ball football game of the week.

1:27:30 Hate your whole family. He hates everything about the school. And listen, I, I think most of us that are hokey fans, we ain't too big a fans at either of these schools either way. But with that info that broke, and I don't know if this changed your mind. Brian Drew a law is likely to be a game time decision for Penn State. He's playing, which means, well, he's going to play. But when a guy has a game time decision, like not even like he's going to practice and progress through it. Like we going to figure out it and it's a 12:00 game, which by the way, I'm going to say something. As much as I hate them, I like seeing a night game at Penn State. The white out. It's cool. What is this game at 12:00? Could y'all explain that to me?

1:28:10 It's such stupid. It's just stupidity. We got to stop. You can't put the game of the week at 12. No. Not there's only a couple that can happen with. I am always fine with the Red River Shootout being at 12:00. That's fine. I'm fine with some rivalry games being at 12:00. This game should be a night game. Fox, shame on you. Ohio State by. 10 all right. And I'm playing the points, Shelton. Sheldon's riding with you. We already know what Tally's doing. Miranda is riding and I am so low.

1:28:51 Brian Siegler versus the world, hey. Bring it on, bitches. Let's go. All right. All righty, all righty. So our wonderful contributing writer Miranda this week is going down to Fayetteville, AR where the Ole Miss Rebels are playing the Arkansas Razorbacks. Arkansas is a 7 point home favorite. Brian, what you got? I think this is going to be about a 22 touchdown victory for Ole Miss. I think they're just going to be too much to handle down there in Fayetteville. I don't think the the Razorbacks are going to quite have enough to keep pace with that offense. So I'm going to take Ole Miss here. All righty, I'm exact opposite of you. I think Arkansas does have enough in the tank probably to keep up offensively. 7:00 is way too much to lay. And the whole thing is it's almost just has not been right in my opinion since the Kentucky game. They have not been right.

1:29:56 I mean, if you take a look at them since Kentucky game a few weeks ago, like they played South Carolina, they only scored 27. They lost LSU, they scored 26, they beat Oklahoma, they only scored 26. And then I look at what Arkansas has done the last few weeks, 5:00 and 3:00. Arkansas has been laying some points, like Arkansas has been putting points on the board against less than average defenses, 58 last week. It's Mississippi State. I think this is going to be entertaining personally, but give me the Razorbacks and seven Shelton is with. Ride with Ole Miss baby.

1:30:37 Who you riding with, Tally? Give me Arkansas. Any rhyme or reason or just screwed lane given? Vibes. No it's just vibes man. I mean Arkansas got a got a ugly pig as they mascot so they should be winning this game right? You think so? Hey, Miranda's riding with with Sheldon and I, and so is Jason. All righty, we got one MO here and obviously that is our Music Man picking the Florida Georgia game. Well, I won't back down.

1:31:26 No, I won't back down. You can swing me up and get me to feel, but I won't back down. Welcome back to another week of guitar licks and gambling picks. I'm Jason Long, I took a big loss last week, but as the song says, I'm not going to back down. In fact, this week I'm coming back stronger than ever. I did some research, I took notes, I did math and wrote down stats and stuff. So I am ready folks. I'm looking at the Florida Georgia Game, the World's Largest outdoor cocktail party, going on in Jacksonville Saturday afternoon, and Florida started out a little rough, but they've won three of their last four games. Georgia's looked.

1:32:09 Pretty good all season, including two weeks ago when they beat Texas and I lost money. However, they're only two and five against the spread. Florida's getting 16 1/2 points in this game. I think they'll at least keep it around 10. So I'm going to go and stick my neck out there and bet on Florida plus 16 1/2 against Georgia. One other little side note, I noticed the over under was 52 1/2 points for this game. I looked it up and that is hit for the last 6 times these teams have met and it's hit the last two times they've played each other. So I might sprinkle a little something only over. And as far as the song goes, obviously, Gainesville native Tom Petty. The rain, the rain, the rain, The rain, The rain, The rain, the rain, the rain.

1:33:33 Hey on a serious note I want to take a moment to say fare thee well to my guy Phil Lesh. Thank you for the music. We'll see you on the other side for the rest of y'all. I'll hopefully see you next week for another week. Guitar licks and gambling picks have a great week. All righty, so there is the Florida Georgia game, the world's largest outdoor cocktail party. We lost Tally, so I'm going to do a little bit more talking always for some reason this has been even though I have like no rooting interest. This is always one of those games that has captivated me since I was a kid like always. So for Jason, he'll probably be pairing himself a nice raw old fashioned enjoying this one because he sent us the bed and slip y'all, he did sprinkle the money on the over under.

1:34:21 So you know that's there. And now we got to make our picks. So we're going to get tally back up and running. Brian, who do you got? I'm going with Georgia here. I haven't seen anything from Florida at this point to inspire a lot of conference confidence. I think Georgia is kind of settling back in after a little bit of a tough patch there. So I'll take Georgia. I'll lay the the 16 1/2. Yeah the 16 1/2 is such a big number and but is it big enough in regardless what this screen says to me it is too much. I do think Georgia wins but I think the game is a lot closer than you need to.

1:35:13 Then they can be left. I am taking Florida, not Georgia fries. Edit details completely screwed that up. I'll take the L on that one. Too well, I'm looking. Much like Florida will take on Saturday. No, I'm just. Kidding. See how it's going to make the L? It just ain't going to be about 16 1/2. It's going to be about less than 16 1/2 points, but yeah, give give me Florida on this one. Sheldon Brown with me, Curtis. Not us. Me. Yeah, I'm a ride with you too, Brian, because Georgia's coming off of a bye week and I think that they're going to come back ready to give that final push to try to get to the SEC Championship.

1:35:56 Hey. No, they ain't. Oh yeah, they are. Yeah, two weeks ago. Yeah. Miranda's riding with us there and obviously we know Jason is not riding solo as expected, but riding with Curtis. And we're also coming off a by week as well, so should be interesting. 1 and Tally, I was just telling Brian while you were getting back on for some reason, I have really no root and interest in this game, but that game is always captivated me for years. I don't know why, but it's just always captivated me for years so but there it is there's our big screeners enjoy the games that responsibly and if you ride with one of us all the way down, well y'all, y'all know you're making a mistake by doing that.

1:36:52 So don't. Anything coming out in the last hour and 37 minutes, boys? I wouldn't say anything's coming out, but I will throw some numbers at you right quick. 1919 is the number that Pride needs to get to. That means he wins four games, four more games. He will be 19 and 17 in his coaching career at Virginia Tech. Right now he is 15 to 17. Worst case scenario, he needs to be at 518 and 18. That means he goes three and one in the last four games.

1:37:38 But you know what, Charlie, let's go. And, and I'm glad you said that because that was from three and eight. That was from 3:00 and 8:00. Yeah, first season 3 and eight. Second season 7 and six. The season where you go, yeah, 5 right now. Yeah, 5 right now, yeah. 5 right now and we didn't. See five last year. You know we saw five last year. Brian, me and you were travelling to Randolph Macon. November 11th is when we got to five last year y'all? What are you saying Brian? Sorry, I was. Just going to say, I mean that I think, I think getting to 8 this year is important. Yeah.

1:38:22 I think that's, I think that's really important from a path forward standpoint. We're talking about the the youth that's coming in. I feel like prize has done a good job of bringing in the the right type of players for what we're trying to do both offensively and defensively. I think we're starting to see some of that pay off in terms of the talent, the the the youth talent, the guys that are, you know, true freshman, true sophomore, they're going out there and they're starting to make names for themselves on this team that is, you know, fairly veteran laden. You know, they're starting to make their presence felt. But if you want to keep that train moving, you got to put up wins. And eight says we're on the right track to be that top two top three every year team in the ACC. And that's where we need to get back to it. That's the first step is consistently being in the conversation with the Clemson's and Miami's want to be mentioned in that same discussion year in, year out. You got to go out there and win 8 games this year. All right, so I like this tally said 19, You said eight. I'm staying 4 because there's four games left in the season there for all those young bucks have the opportunity to start playing.

1:39:40 Chris Lester said it on this program. He was, he said the game he was looking forward to with Syracuse because he knew Keelan. I'm going to start calling him Keelan because I don't want Mama come beat me up. But those guys now have the opportunity. There's one other guy that might have the opportunity as well and Tally, you mentioned that you would like to see him back and that's Tucker Holloway. There's an opportunity. Tucker Holloway plays this last month of the season because he would keep his red shirt and two more years of eligibility left, which would be shoes. Shout out B Fish. Yes, we know B Fish because she have disability back there in the three and eight season. But. We need a we we remember that. I will never forget that man, but that those. I hope somebody cares about a situation like B Fish cared about Tucker Holloway's red shirt. Golly, he was mad.

1:40:31 He. Was so mad and we were like we need to win a game and. Right. We got to show something. I don't want to throw too much out, you know, I know it's week by week, but we just talking numbers here, but 19, you get to 19, you know how many wins that gives you for the season, gives you nine wins for the season. You got opportunity to win 10 games. Hey. Just saying man. But you. But you know what? You at least need to make but. Hey, but you know what that nine does too if things break like you want it to break. Look at him. Look. At him. Look at him coming in late. And ready. But Batali and I don't want to speak it. Put 9 and things break right?

1:41:15 Y'all know where we can where you can drive to? Actually, Yeah, yeah, put that up. There. That's right. That's right. There you go. There you go. Houston coming in high Coming in high. I love it. Love it. We missed you tonight, Andretti, and I'm just going to throw all these up here just in case A. Reminder throw, throw the fucking 1999 in there. Make sure you're following on YouTube, subscribed on YouTube, and that's going to be your chance to enter the drawing for the lovely goal post pyramid that we got courtesy of press *. So get it in there. Absolutely.

1:41:56 And again, we haven't decided if we're doing it early. Well, there you go. Put him up there. He he's make sure you subscribe to Andretti. That's what she said. Make sure you subscribe to Andretti to the account, man. I don't want to pull your name out. You ain't subscribed because Tally going to call you and be like you were going to win it, but you didn't subscribe to our YouTube channel so we can't give it to you for for all those who. Are two step process fellas. Effectively put it on there. Brian, do you have a cut off date that you need it on there by? Because I don't know if you're able to pull, how quick he's going to be able to pull everything.

1:42:36 So I mean, put it on, it's got to be either week 8-9 or ten episodes. By. Let's let's do end of night Saturday. We're not gonna accept entries Sunday, Monday or Tuesday on any of them, so get it in there by Saturday night. Late night. There you go. Love to see it, Andre. I, I, I, you know what? I look at the numbers of these episodes. Ain't many people watching the, the, the episode past Saturday night. Like if I didn't watch it. Now I'm gonna wait for the next go round and see what we got. So not this time. Not this time. All the way through Saturday night, if you, if you get in there late, I'm sorry about, I will try to get you in there, but I would prefer the cut off to be Saturday night.

1:43:23 Just letting y'all know that. So we're going to get as many of y'all in there as we can and we're going spin her around and see what she do and one of y'all will have that lovely, lovely pyramid and we'll get that shipped out to you all. Right. Well, that is going to wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast brought to you by Accounts Family Pharmacy in Blacksburg. I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Siegler. Jonathan Tally. We are part of the College Title network at our website boundarycornerbt.com. You can listen to all of our episodes. You also if you don't want to enter for the 99 for the drawing, just go there to goal posts, click on it go buy yourself a piece of Virginia Tech history. Again, it is the goal posts from the 99 Boston College win that secured the Big East that secured the trip to the national title game. URL is right here on the the banner scrolling at the bottom. It's our website slash 99 goalpost. You can also hit the at the top.

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