The Hokies hobbled out of Durham worse than they hobbled in after suffering a 31-28 loss that put another signal caller on the shelf. Pop Watson played as well as could be expected but VT was doomed by leaky OL play and a defense that gave up too many big plays. In a familiar sight for anyone who has watched this team the last decade plus the Hokies must now retain the Commonwealth Cup if they hope to extend their season with a bowl bid. Buckle up...this one could get ugly.

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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary

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Corner Podcast along with my
partners, Brian Siegler, Shelton

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Moss.
I am Curtis Wilson, and we are

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part of the College Huddled
Podcast Network.

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And this episode, as always, is
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Go see Jeremy Shelton sliding in
at the last possible second.

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What happened in the game?
Pick a fat L.

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Close L Oh, fat L.
Close L, but it sucked.

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Oh good, that's the worst in the
after game specials.

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Yeah, what'd you say?
So the worst of the afternoon

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specials.
The worst of the afternoon

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specials.
Well, gentlemen, welcome to

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Thanksgiving Week 2024.
Also should be known, also known

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on this podcast as Hate Week
because obviously Saturday night

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8:00 will be UVA versus our
beloved Hokies.

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Yep, I'm drinking tonight,
y'all.

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So the loop's not going to be as
sealed.

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Not going crazy like I will in
about 3 weeks, but let's just

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say it's happening tonight.
As we were, as we were.

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Josh, is this a reference to us
or the team?

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Or Saturday night, whichever 1
you want to count.

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Hey, gentlemen, you were in
person, so we look forward to

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your insight.
Well, first of all, did you have

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a good time regardless of
outcome?

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I did have a good time.
I was the game with one of my

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Duke buddies and one of one of
his Vt buddies.

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So we had a good time.
I saw some of the Sun's people,

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some of my former Charlotte
peeps.

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So it was a good time, man.
I'm just, you know, it was good

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to kind of just be be with my
friends and everything.

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Like, I didn't really have super
high expectations and turns out

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that those expectations were
justified.

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So yeah, I mean, the practical
feeling, that's what it is.

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I'm just, I'm just here to see
see my friends and enjoy night

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out watching football.
And I got that so.

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All right.
Well, glad to hear you had a

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good time, regardless of outcome
of the game.

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Obviously you sent us a few
texts while you're in there

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about some stuff going on and
everything.

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So that should not be put on
this Oh.

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No, no, no, no.
That is, that is behind lock

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and.
Key Hey, there's Wade has that

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Wi-Fi though they can you can
get those.

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Texts out with regularity.
There's a statement #1 Shelton

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got not only one text out,
Shelton got about 7:00 or 8:00

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texts out during the course of
the game because of good Wi-Fi.

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That's another thing to bitch
about, but let's get into it.

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We are going to know the enemy.
We're going to look a little bit

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at UVA.
We're going to always, as

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always, go big screeners.
Some other news and notes as

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well.
Some things breaking.

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Obviously, I want to look at the
playoff rankings, but we got to

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start with what did take place.
What Shelton is listed list what

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Shelton witnessed in living
color, live and alive Saturday

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night.
A 3128 loss to Duke, another

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late November loss toward the
Carolina team by 1 score.

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And if you're keeping record at
home, we are.

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Brent Pry is now 1 and. 12,
Third, 12/13/12.

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One and 1213 games, Brian, that
have been decided by 1 score in

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his tenure here.
That is right now right at 1/3

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of the games he's played one and
12 and it sucks.

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So I'm not even going to be beat
around the Bush.

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I always like to say usually
what went well first.

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I'm not in that mood tonight in
y'all's opinion, Brian.

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Actually, Shelton, you want to
start us off?

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You saw it and I'm sure you did
some data dig in.

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What went bad Saturday night?
Well, first and most obvious is

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just the explosive passing
plays.

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I mean, it sounded like from
what Price said in the post

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game, you know, they had some
coverage busts, some safeties

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made bad reads on one of the I
think the second touchdown by

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Duke or maybe no, it was the
third, the third big passing

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play.
They accepted the third

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touchdown before the end of the
first half.

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Dante Lovett just fell down.
So I mean nothing you're going

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to do but just shake your head
there.

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So I mean, yeah, that was really
the game for jib because I don't

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think, I mean running wise, they
averaged less than three guys

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per carry.
I thought it was one of the

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better run performances for the
Vt defense all season long, if

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not perhaps the best.
So it was kind of disappointing

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from that perspective to just
see how well they stopped the

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run.
But they give so many chunk

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passing plays that it almost
doesn't even matter.

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And you, you spot a team 14
points in the 1st 5 minutes the

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first quarter, yeah, you come
back to like, that's hard to

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dig, that's hard to that's a
hard hole to dig yourself out

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of.
So and then third, I mean, third

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quarter, you know, Duke came out
with a really good first, first

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drive to that half kind of
gashed ET through the air and

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also with the run as well, you
know, don't know what happened

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there, but I don't know, man,
just you know, they were they

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were successful most of the time
the defense was, but just just

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ungodly amounts of of big chunk
passing plays really did them

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in.
Yeah, the frustrating thing was

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just watching coverage, man,
because that's something I feel

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like we've been not great at.
But I mean, we we hadn't been

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giving up those big chunk plays
like that all year.

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So it was frustrating.
And I know a couple, you know,

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you had, I think Lovett slipped
on one.

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He slipped on another one of
those, a touchdown one that set

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up a touchdown like Shelton was
saying, just before the half.

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And then he had a big busted
coverage on that first one where

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it looked like most Phillips was
kind of eyes in the backfield

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and next thing you know, you
know guys 10 yards behind him.

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So it was just frustrating to
watch those big plays kind of

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happened because again, if you
take away those big plays, it's

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a it's a completely different
game.

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But that's why you got to, you
got to be there and make the

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play.
Yeah, it's here you go.

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This was early in the game.
It was 5 defensive plays.

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They scored 14 points.
That's just unbelievable.

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I'll say this and we'll, we'll,
we'll probably touch into this a

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little bit more.
The bad was into the game for

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me.
Hey, I did not get to watch the

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second-half.
We were visiting family.

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I had it at my sister's house.
My mother didn't have it.

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So I'm between texting the shit
out of these guys along with

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Allie and other people and
watching Gamecast, trying to

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figure out what's going on. 144
left, the fumble happens.

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We get the ball great.
We got 3 timeouts.

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You can run your whole offense
because you have timeouts in the

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bag and we just chunked the
ball.

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Let's just throw it.
Let's just throw it like, let's

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try.
No semblance of attempting to

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drive the ball.
We're down three.

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You don't need a touchdown.
You do not need 84 yards.

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You need at best, I'm going to
say 55 because of John Loves

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Lake, 55 yards.
That could easily be a couple

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plays.
And I sit here and I'm

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frustrated as hell because
that's not the first time it's

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happened.
Happened against Vandy late in

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the game, happened against
Rutgers late in the game.

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So remember those things.
It's this consistently at the

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end of the game we're down and
it's like literally it's like

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playing a 7 year old on Madden
or college football and you get

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them down to a down late.
What do they do?

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They run everything deep.
All you got to do is play

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quarters or play covers for
you'll pick the ball off.

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I don't fucking get it.
I'm not paid $1,000,000 and I

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could sit here and tell you 144
left.

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Heck, 1 little toss out the
Tooting, try to get the edge,

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maybe he sails in.
Busted 20 yard run, run a screen

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run.
Something quick to get the ball

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in somebody's hands quick and we
didn't.

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Well, another thing we, we, when
you talk about that, we close

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the first half with a couple
situations where that bit us in

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the ass as well.
You know, you get in the red

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zone, was it under 5 minutes,
seven step drop, you get sacked,

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another seven step drop, you get
a fumble.

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Now all of a sudden, you know
they're in business.

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They go down, they take the lead
there and, and then, you know,

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you end up getting the ball.
Sorry, they, they, they, we got

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the ball back, had what, 6
seconds on the on the clock and

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another seven step drop instead
of just running a quick out to

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try to get love a chance to, to
kick a field goal there.

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So that sequence to close the
first half was mind boggling to

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me.
You know, we had a bunch of

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opportunities where we could
have really either taken a big

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lead or at least got the lead
back there at the end and just

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kind of, you know, pissed down
our leg a lot with the play

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calling and and the execution
there.

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Shown anything else went bad.
I know you said you had

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something, I told you put it in
the chamber, but I'm assuming

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that was going to be in the bad
category.

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Did you, did you still have
that?

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Well, that's more of a Brent
Price at which we can talk about

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if we get into the coaching
discourse.

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But yeah, I mean, I don't know,
I I didn't think I thought the

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offense moved the ball pretty
well actually.

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So I don't really have too many
gripes for the offense other

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than maybe how that that last
first first half drive ended,

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you know, where they got down,
ran the ball, took a time out in

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the second down, I think it was,
and took a big sack.

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I understand what they were
trying to do with, you know,

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maybe only no timeouts left
second down.

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So obviously, you know, you got
to take, you know, try taking a

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shot to the end zone, you get
sacked, then you've got to pass

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again to kind of throw the ball
away because you can't, you

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know, you can't have the ball
clock running after that third

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down play.
So it's like, yeah, I don't

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know, just kind of messed with
drive.

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I mean, I know they had some
execution miscues on that one,

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but that just was kind of
screwed up from the start.

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Hey, Robbie, I, I agree with you
here 100%.

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But at the same time, at the
same time, that's when your,

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your coordinator doesn't
necessarily put an inexperienced

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quarterback in that situation,
in that down in distance, in

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that location on the field.
It's very true and I'm trying to

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get to it here with the fumble
because that ball, that draft

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started right.
We're at the Duke 14 yard line

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with 47 seconds left, the 14
yard line and and pop, he

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attempts to run the ball and he
he loses a couple proc calls a

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timeout.
That's fine, no issue with the

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time out right there because he
gets hit behind the line.

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People are going in, you bring
them back.

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The issue was what you said,
what you said and what Rodney

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made to point out too.
They were as an experience, but

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it's at the 14 yard line.
Why are you trying to run five

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and seven steps drop, trying to
get people in the end zone, get

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the ball in somebody's hands,
have two plays ready to go.

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And Brian, I know you guys did
this at Sydney at times where

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y'all call a time out and you'd
have two plays.

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Hey, we're going hurry up as
soon as we hit the first one.

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We're going right to this one
regardless.

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Again, I'm not getting paid
$1,000,000 When he comes out of

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that time out, it should have
been 2 plays in case we get

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tackled inbounds, we can make a
quick snap and we can make the

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decision.
But instead it's a seven step

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drop, it's a sack.
Then it happens again.

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We're at the 25 at that point in
time too.

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So you sit here and again, it's
mismanagement of the game

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because at the 25 yard line
through the math, 40 yard field

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goal, John Love tie ball game,
right?

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Yeah, or or.
Down one point at halftime.

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One point at halftime.
Yeah, so I, I, I pulled it up

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the so that, that second down
play, they ran the ball and 2nd

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down to yard loss called a
timeout.

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They wanted to run a screen
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quickly because someone I think,
I think it was Kane and misses

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block that got blown up right
away.

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So you're back to the 27 and
then there's 28 seconds left and

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counting and then you get blown
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So I mean, maybe they should
have called.

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Well, actually, no, look at it,
man.

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I don't I don't think pop had a
chance, honestly.

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I just.
Well, the whole piece is well,

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you, you, you mentioned they,
they blow up the screen pass

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then then what?
You've got to basically go in

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Shelton to say, hey, listen,
it's the screen is not there on

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2nd and 12.
Just kill the ball at the feet.

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Just kill the ball at somebody's
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We'll go third down.
It's the whole now try to find

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the next play.
Well, likely that's the read.

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And if they blew that up on a
screen, Brian, you know, from

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playing offensive line all these
years and we can talk about it.

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Some people put in here the
offensive line playing like

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shit.
Not the whole game.

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Not the whole game.
It was a very up and down

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performance.
But but Brian, that screenplay

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he's talking about, yeah, you
know that basically, you know

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from playing, if that screen
does not work and it's not

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there, you cannot hold the ball.
It should have been if the

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screens not there, what do I do?
Throw it at somebody's fucking

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feet foot.
At least at that point, even if

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they call intentional grounding,
it's probably a three to four

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yard loss.
And obviously too it would be

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the clock would stop and either
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runoff which might have been if
I saw that situation.

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Yeah, I mean, it was it was it
was a common to your areas.

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And like I said, it was it was a
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maybe bad situational plus
again, bad execution,

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inexperience from popping that
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So there's just a lot of factors
at play there that really kind

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of, you know, helped helped us
screw the pooch.

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And that's very important
situation in my opinion, because

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you went from a, a, a, a spot
where the drive before, if you

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could have finished that you're,
you know, you really fully

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recaptured the momentum after a
disastrous 1st 5 plays on

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defense.
Then you let them go back and

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take the lead.
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you're back again where you can
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You don't do it.
You end up getting the ball back

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and, and you kind of do the same
thing again there instead of,

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you know, trying to get a quick
play that might give you a

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chance to, to, to, to at least
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there to, to close out the half.
So to me it was just a a bad

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sequence, those final really 3
possessions of the half for the

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Hokies on offense.
And effectively, those type

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things have been the undoing all
year of the Hokies.

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Hokies fall to 5:00 and 6:00 on
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And you know, it stinks.
That's the bad it stinks.

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I do want to point out that
there were a couple good moments

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or not good moments, but good
individual performances in this

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game And, and I'm going to call
out the first.

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We've called his name a couple
times for making errors, but

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overall with Pop Watson, I was,
I actually felt good because he

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looked to be making quick reads.
You saw the elusiveness from him

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and everybody can say well he
didn't look great and lead us to

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a win.
He played well enough to lead us

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to a win if he had been put in a
couple more right situations.

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Yeah, I mean we got a, you know,
I think when we look at the

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performances we got also mention
Ollie Jennings coming out party

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for 20/24.
It it took a while to get there,

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but a, you know, we finally got
a big performance from Ollie

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Jennings this year.
So good to see that and and

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really showed a burst that I
don't really think we've seen

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for most of the most of the
season, especially on that that

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touchdown where he kind of took
it, got up the alley and then

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kind of finished it running over
the the tackler there near the

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end zone.
About you showing anybody you

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felt good about or you want to
give a kudos to, I mean.

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We saw a little bit of Devin
Elvis at Safety Pride.

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Pride was complementary of them.
So I guess that'd be that'd be

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one.
And again, I mean obviously the

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entire D line I thought was
great and run defense so you

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know cuz.
Yeah, I mean the the the the

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defensive line and the defense
in general from a, you know,

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running run stopping situation
was was, you know, top notch all

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game.
They they had a little bit of a

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rough, rough drive there towards
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They finally, you know, let a
couple runs get through there,

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but for the most part, anytime
they tried to run, you know,

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there, there wasn't really a
whole lot to be seen in terms of

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extra yardage there.
So kudos to them.

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It's just it's it's it's
frustrating that again, like

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we're we're seeing this team get
beat in different ways every

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week.
It's like we can't just circle

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this is the problem.
This here is the problem because

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it's something new every week.
And and that then that says

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something that probably, you
know, hopefully a week and a

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night we're discussing because
when you can't pinpoint one

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problem, it probably means it's
multiple people and multiple

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problems as we're discussing.
So, you know, we'll, we'll see

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what happens basically over the
next couple weeks.

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I want to give a shout out to
APR Did not report a sack that 1

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1/2 tackles for loss, but you
could see him coming off the

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edge.
They were ready for him and they

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still could not stop the
pressure he created.

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He got absolutely screwed out of
not being a finalist for the

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Lombardi award.
Absolutely screwed in my

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opinion.
Screwed.

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If y'all didn't see that he was
not named a finalist.

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It's a bunch of bullshit.
And somehow who else?

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Somebody else got left off the
Thorpe Oh Colorado guy Travis

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Hunter got left off the Fort
today.

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Finalist explain that one.
Anybody y'all got any

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explanations for either one of
those guys?

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I mean, statistically he's the
best corner in the country and,

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you know, probably a top 10 or
15 wide receiver.

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And he did not get.
But you know, whatever, fuck us,

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right?
That's pretty much it right now.

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All right, let's keep on going.
Anything y'all weren't prepared

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for like.
Bombs, I mean, I wasn't prepared

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for them to do have big plays in
the passing game.

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I was not prepared for that.
I I knew there was potential

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there, but we had been pretty
sound about not allowing those

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the the big long ones all year,
even when, when those are

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busted, usually it was kind of
underneath and there was a

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missed tackle or over over
pursued or, you know, something

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like that that was causing the
play itself to happen.

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Not necessarily, you know, just
getting, getting beat deep

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slipping, things like that.
We hadn't had a ton of those all

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year.
So it was really disappointing

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that for that to happen in this
game.

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Showing anything you weren't.
Yeah, I, I, I was, I mean, same

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with Bryan.
Obviously the big passing plays

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because it's not exactly Duke's
strong suit, but I was a little

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surprised pleasantly with how
well the offense moved the ball

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considering the circumstances.
I mean, you got down to pop

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Watson, you know, your third and
quarterback.

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I thought he he was looking
pretty good on some of those RPO

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slants, like he could hit them
and and Malik for, for Duke was

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missing.
Like, I mean, he could barely

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hit those, those ways.
And I know we had a few, a few

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good deep balls and he's good
throwing deep balls, but in

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those intermediate range, I, I
didn't think he was very

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accurate.
Pop looked really good on some

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of those intermediate passes.
So I was, I was very pleasantly

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surprised by that.
Yeah, this, this is another one.

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My only thought with that is
that, you know, you go from

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Schlee to Pop Watson and maybe
some of those snaps that you

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were going to get a Aurora guy
in a wide receiver.

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Now you may keep your veterans
in a little bit more because

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you're working with a raw and
inexperienced quarterback

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though.
So that's my only guess there.

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Anybody that knows different can
feel free to chime in there, but

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that's my guess.
Yeah, there's nobody knows what

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did didn't happen that I was
prepared for.

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It's it's it's it's tough for
me.

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I go to probably I wasn't
prepared to see Basil Tune play

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the way he played because him
coming off the injury he at

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times look like the basal.
We know the cuts, the burst he

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got over 1000 which kudos to him
on that.

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I'm so glad he got 1000 yards
first since Filio Harvard back

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in 2020 during the COVID season
1 a lot that you know no one

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actually saw in Lane Stadium
which sucks but he deserved it

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from getting basically COVID
screwing and probably out of AD

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one offer last year.
The way things broke probably

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more earlier in the season where
he could have had it then, but I

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was pleasantly surprised that he
looked as good as he did.

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And I also loved his statement
today.

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I don't know if you saw it in
the presser about I'm here to

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play, I'm going to go ahead and
say something.

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Running backs, every NFL coach,
wherever he was, he just went up

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32 spots on their boards
wherever he was.

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Because if you ever hear about
like NFL, I'm a Niners fan, they

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always talk about it.
John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,

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You have to love football to be
here.

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You can't love money, you can't
love hype.

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You can't love success.
You have to love the actual

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game.
When I heard him say that,

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there's a bunch of people saying
where is he?

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Move him up the next round, why
he loves the game.

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We're going to see him Saturday
one last time in Lane Stadium.

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All righty, to the last point
here, we always hit then what

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can we do better moving forward?
Is this where you wanted to to

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throw the bomb in there?
Shelton?

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What can we do better moving
forward because saw how much

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coach discord we're going to get
tonight.

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I mean, win close games, I guess
I don't, I don't really know

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what what what other solution
there is like the teams play,

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you know, mostly pretty well.
I mean, they put themselves in

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good spots and they just can't
get out of the hump.

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So I was researching this last
night because I saw a stat that

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was somewhat related to it.
So last 20 years this year

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Virginia Tech has a point
differential of plus 5.7 against

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FBS team.
So they're they're weighing

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their games on average by 5.7
points against the FBS.

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That is the second highest point
differential for a team with a

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losing record in the last 20
years.

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Only other team with a higher
point differential with a losing

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record was Georgia back in 2010.
So just kind of put some

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perspective to you just how much
this team has underperformed.

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And I know, you know, we talk a
lot about the coaching and you

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know, where we've kind of come
up short and the coordinators

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and so forth.
But like, I don't think the play

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in the field has been as bad as
people think.

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I just think the the complete
and utter inability to to

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capitalize in those crunch
situations and just eventually,

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you know, find your way on top
of a close game.

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It's just something that's been
really unprecedented.

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I mean, we've we've seen the
data like probably has the worst

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record in once we're games for
any coach the last 20 years with

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at least 10 games.
So I just, I don't know, I mean,

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I'm kind of out of venture at
this point, honestly.

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Like just win, find a way to win
plus game.

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Like there's really nothing else
that needs to be said.

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Yeah, you've lost six games by a
combined 34 points.

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That's I mean that that that's
what it is.

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You know, you're talking about
that's that's less.

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You're not.
Getting blown out.

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That's less than a touchdown per
game.

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Only one of them has been A2
score situation, all the other

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ones have been one score contest
so.

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And that was a one score
contest.

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For how long?
Most of the damn game game.

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So I mean it, it's, it's one of
those so close, but so fucking

441
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far away situations of like
you're, you're there to you're,

442
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,440
you're putting yourself in a
position where you could be

443
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,480
considered a good team, but you
are not closing the deal with

444
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,240
any sort of regularity.
When, when things are tight,

445
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,240
when things get tough, when,
when teams put pressure on you

446
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
in the final two minutes of a
game, when teams put pressure on

447
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:45,120
you in the final quarter of a
game, you've done a good job of

448
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,640
counter punching.
When, when teams come out quick,

449
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,640
you, you've had an answer.
When teams have hit you with

450
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,000
that inevitable third quarter
debacle, you've had an answer,

451
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,960
but you haven't been able to
close the deal when it mattered,

452
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,280
and that's a problem.
Yeah, put what Robbie just said

453
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,640
up there, you have to learn how
to win now and close the games.

454
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,680
And the question now goes, and
this is, I know we've said it a

455
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,360
lot and people in there put up
gems as well because it's it

456
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:21,920
goes back to this.
The question is, I'll give the

457
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,800
benefit of the doubt to a head
coach because if we talk about

458
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,840
the way the talents changed on
the field in the last three

459
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,280
years, the the also the, the
analysis and the reviewing of

460
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,120
the talent in the portal and the
guys they're bringing in from,

461
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,600
you know, the recruiting ranks
in high school.

462
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,960
This staff's done that right?
You want to argue with me all

463
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,680
you want.
Colin Schley didn't look out of

464
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,080
place.
Pop Watson didn't look out of

465
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,640
place.
Drones, when he has been

466
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,520
healthy, has looked fine.
Facial tootin looked good.

467
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,360
Think of some of the younger
offensive lineman who are

468
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,800
working their way and they've
looked good.

469
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
That's what's irritating.
That's what's irritating more

470
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,200
than anything.
Because in 2021, the games we

471
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,640
lost, I could point and say
we're not as talented here.

472
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,640
We're not as talented here.
And and if you ask me what's

473
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,200
more frustrating, well, this is
more frustrating than that

474
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,520
because at least there I could
say we just don't have the

475
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,560
horses to keep up.
Now I get to sit here and say we

476
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,360
have the horses, we can play
with any fucking body in the

477
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,200
country and we've seen that.
We just ain't pressing the right

478
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600
buttons.
Yeah.

479
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,400
I mean, you, you played, you
played with Miami, you played

480
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,480
with Clemson.
And then you kind of play down

481
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240
to a Duke, you play down to a
Syracuse.

482
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600
And I mean, I understand you're
playing with backup quarterbacks

483
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,760
in both of those games, but
those are games you needed to

484
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,520
have to to put a stamp on the
season and feel pretty good

485
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640
about it, especially the way you
started off with the Vanderbilt

486
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,480
and the Rutgers loss.
We needed to win those games.

487
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Perception wise.
You need to show that you can

488
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,240
close the deal against middling
ACC competitions regardless of

489
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360
whether you got your starting
quarterback in there or not,

490
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
because you put yourself in
position Despite that.

491
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,880
To win those games, you got to
win them.

492
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Sean, One last thing to close
out this segment.

493
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,200
I mean, I don't know, I, I kind
of talked about it last week for

494
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,640
the key play, you know, it's
just, it's been a pretty average

495
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,160
step so far.
I feel like I don't think it's

496
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,400
been bad.
I don't think it's been great

497
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,240
either.
You know, I don't think the

498
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Sky's falling, but I just, I
think one of the things that

499
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880
makes it hard to sort of analyze
what the problem is, is that I

500
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,240
think the, the issues with this
team are so vague and amorphous

501
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240
and, and poorly defined that I
don't really know exactly where

502
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,160
to start.
Like I don't know who to

503
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,280
scapegoat statistically.
Is it the offensive defense?

504
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,000
I don't know.
Could it be some of the

505
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000
assistants?
Maybe.

506
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,080
But like, what's, I mean, like
what's the main issue?

507
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,640
I just don't know if there's one
thing you can put in.

508
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,560
So like we are terrible at that.
And if we fix that, then boom,

509
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640
we're good.
It's like, it's kind of like

510
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,920
collectively every, everybody's
just been average and I don't

511
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920
know how you fix average.
Yeah.

512
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,160
And I, I, I think I'll, I'll
tell this, I'll, I'll say this.

513
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,160
I think, I think we're, we're,
we're seeing that amorphous

514
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,840
situation is coming from just
the general inexperience of the

515
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,400
people that are making the high
level decisions for the program

516
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600
right now.
And that's why you're seeing

517
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,840
different things, different
weeks because that that

518
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,160
inexperience, I think is
starting to stack up as we get

519
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,200
into, we get expectations
attached to us.

520
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,600
We get these situations where
we're in these tight contest,

521
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400
you know, these these
coordinators haven't seen these

522
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,160
situations with enough frequency
when it's their decision that is

523
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,720
going to make or break that
moment potentially it and it's

524
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,800
like it's it's a combination of
of not seeing that, but also, I

525
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,600
think it at times either not
understanding the strengths and

526
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,000
weaknesses in a given moment of
your team and not leaning on the

527
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,320
strengths that you have in your
running game at key moments in

528
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,880
the game and thinking, I need
yards, I'm just going to drop

529
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,920
back and and and see what
happens here.

530
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
I think sometimes, you know, on
offense, Bowen sometimes

531
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,720
overthinks and then I think
sometimes on defense you get a

532
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,480
little bit of that that we do,
we do mindset and and that can

533
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
burn you in the end as well.
I'm going to just close it with

534
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:44,080
this right here.
So let's let's talk about the

535
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480
the poll we put out there.
Oh yeah.

536
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,720
All right, so we put out a poll.
We're basically saying, you know

537
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,080
what is happening in the season
we got move on from Brent Pry,

538
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200
move on from your OC and DC.
You know, it could be either,

539
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,560
could be either, or it could be
one of the other, could be both

540
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,120
or something else.
And we put that out there.

541
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,960
So 75% of you think that one or
both of the coordinators need to

542
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,720
go.
The other 25% were basically a

543
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,160
combination of either move on
from pry or essentially all the

544
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,920
other statements were basically
dumped the entire athletic

545
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520
department down the toilet and
start over from scratch.

546
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,320
So some, some variation of fire
wit, which is going to have a

547
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
trickle down effect through
football, right?

548
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,160
So 75% are just on the
coordinator wagon.

549
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,800
Another 25% are basically some
some version of moving on from

550
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Brent Prize.
So that's kind of the rundown

551
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,320
of, you know, over 700 folks
that that that that clicked on

552
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,680
that that poll there.
So do with that what you will.

553
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,400
Well, do with that, which you
will and you know, I think I

554
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,280
think it's where as I was
talking to a family member on a

555
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,520
Saturday, they pay attention a
little bit to football.

556
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,400
Not crazy, but I was like him as
that marketing, the guy who glad

557
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,760
hands people who's going to talk
to everybody at the party got it

558
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,120
down pat him as a face.
I know some people get tired of

559
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,320
the coach stick.
I still think his stick's better

560
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640
than Fuente because he will a
lot of times, and we've heard

561
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,240
this from day one, he a lot of
times will say we as coaches

562
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,880
specifically on certain points.
If you all remember Brian, we

563
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,120
sat here, I believe a little bit
drunk a couple years ago and

564
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,160
said Fuente will never ever.
He always says wee, wee, wee.

565
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Say execution one more time,
motherfucker.

566
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Who?
Would never say coaches.

567
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,880
That is the one.
It's still a breath of fresh.

568
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,720
I know some pisses, some people
awful.

569
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440
What can you do?
And it's like, well, at least

570
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,680
he's admitting that as a
coaching staff, they have to be

571
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,960
better.
He's not sitting here saying we,

572
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,760
we, what the fuck's we?
Is we all of us, the whole

573
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,720
fucking team?
The Royal we.

574
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,840
So there we go.
All right, so let's take a quick

575
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,120
little break here.
What I'm stepping on.

576
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,159
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577
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,120
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578
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Main St. in Blacksburg.
And obviously it is hate week.

579
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,880
This week we do not have a
guest, so we are going to be

580
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,600
getting into some of the UVA
Cavaliers players here.

581
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Obviously they are currently led
by Tony Elliott, also in his

582
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,639
third season.
A significantly bigger or win or

583
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,400
significantly worse win loss
record than Brent Prockey's also

584
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,560
coming in five and six.
They're five and six, right?

585
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,639
I didn't.
I didn't fucking make that up in

586
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,639
my head for.
That we're we're both playing

587
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,679
for bowl eligibility.
The story of the Commonwealth

588
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,920
Cup over the last 10 years. 10
plus man, going back to the end

589
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:02,320
of end of beamer there. 2012, Oh
no, 10 years, 2014, man, that

590
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,840
was one of those years.
But we are going to talk about

591
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,240
them tonight.
And obviously, Brian, I believe

592
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,160
that you wanted to start on the
defensive side of the ball, a

593
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,840
little bit behind their
defensive setup, defensive

594
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,760
scheme.
Yeah, yeah.

595
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,800
I mean, this is a a multiple
formation kind of they you have

596
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,280
a three, four base, but they'll
run multiple fronts.

597
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,240
You know, you'll see them come
out of four two, you'll see them

598
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:34,680
come out of 3433 stack.
They'll run a lot of different,

599
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,520
different looks at you different
fronts.

600
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,680
So expect that, you know,
they've got their hybrid outside

601
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,760
linebacker DN and then they got
a hybrid kind of safety

602
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,360
linebacker there.
So they can kind of move guys

603
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,240
around, give you a little bit of
a different look depending on

604
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,560
how they want to attack you.
So expect that it's going to be

605
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,440
very interesting to, you know,
prepare for that from an

606
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,920
offensive line standpoint with
having different fronts pretty

607
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640
regularly.
So we'll see if they come out

608
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,280
and stick with mostly a 3A3 man
front or if they kind of mix in,

609
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
you know, four man with with any
regularity.

610
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,240
Yep.
And if y'all are wondering,

611
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,360
they're LED.
That's led by John Rozinski.

612
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,520
He's the guy that came over from
Air Force with them and as far

613
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,000
as it goes for this year,
they're ranked well in the

614
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,800
bottom half.
Shelton, if you have that

615
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,120
number, I have a very big number
here I want to give out.

616
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,360
They give up on average 5 point
yarn yards per play.

617
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040
I do not have where they rank,
but Shelton, if you've got that

618
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,080
or any info you want to lay on
about their defense from a

619
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,320
statistical perspective before
we look at the players.

620
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,160
Yeah, I'm looking it up right
here.

621
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,160
I've got so 400, four, 119 yards
per game averages their average

622
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,600
for FBS opponents, and that also
translate to six yards per play

623
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520
against FBS, which ranks 91st in
the country.

624
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,760
So not good.
That's that's low, low, low.

625
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
So Brian, let's talk about a
couple of the players Shelter,

626
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,640
you got any all these players
just chime in when you want to

627
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,920
my man.
Let's talk about kind of the guy

628
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560
you threw on here.
We'll talk about Jonas Sanker.

629
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,760
The six foot 293 LB safety three
star when he came out, actually

630
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,960
went right from hometown there,
went to the Covenant School down

631
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,640
in Charlottesville.
And so far this season, you

632
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,800
know, we're taking a look at
his, you know, statistics.

633
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,360
He is leading the team and not
only solo tackles, but also

634
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,040
total tackles at 89.
And Brian, just kind of looking

635
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,120
at real quick what you see, what
do you like from Sanker?

636
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:55,840
Yeah, I mean, he's a, he's a guy
that has really good activity as

637
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,960
a run defender coming from that,
you know, back part of the

638
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,960
formation there, really good
instincts, good tackler.

639
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,560
You know, probably not the
fastest kid that you'll see from

640
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,920
the secondary perspective, but
he can still make cover, good

641
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,880
ground there.
Not really great in coverage,

642
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,600
really just an average coverage.
But in terms of run stopping

643
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040
from a safety position position,
he does a really good job with

644
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,600
that.
Showing anything on Sanker grade

645
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,360
wise, data wise, statistics wise
you like or are interested?

646
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,680
No, I can.
I'll give you a second look at

647
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,560
that.
I can circle back all.

648
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Right.
We'll circle back on Sanker

649
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,800
there.
The other guy I wanted to talk

650
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,320
about was a guy a lot of people
thought that might be in

651
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Blacksburg after after he when
he came out, which in the 2023

652
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,680
passes.
Cam Robinson 4 star out of

653
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Tappahannock just down the just
down 360 here E heading towards

654
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,880
the coast.
Essex High School, pretty big

655
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,400
time recruit when he came out a
top ten player in the state and

656
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,960
obviously he's already getting
it done, you know, you know,

657
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,720
just in his second year there.
Brian, what do you like about

658
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,520
him?
Maybe some weaknesses?

659
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,760
Yeah, I mean, he's really kind
of settled in really quick at

660
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:28,360
the mic position for for UVA
really kind of came in and and

661
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,160
and out the gate was a was a
difference maker on that

662
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120
linebacker unit and continues to
be.

663
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,960
He's been banged up the last
last couple weeks here, so he

664
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,200
hasn't seen as much action, but
we'll see if he's going to be

665
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,160
fully healthy this go.
But it looks like he is at the

666
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,560
top of the depth chart this week
for the Cavaliers.

667
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640
So expect to get him in heavy
doses.

668
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,920
And I mean, he's a guy that's
going to give you a lot of fits.

669
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,520
Does a really good job against
the run.

670
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Yeah, really good athlete.
Matches up well when he's in

671
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,120
coverage responsibilities.
Probably a little bit weaker in

672
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,880
zone coverage than he is, you
know, covering guys man to man,

673
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,000
but.
He's he's, he's probably the, to

674
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,640
me at least, you know, looking
top to bottom, probably the

675
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,280
scariest player on their defense
just because of what we do well

676
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,320
and, and, and what he does well.
Jill.

677
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,280
You're on mute again, bud.
Can y'all hear me?

678
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Yep, we got you.
One moment.

679
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,400
Can you hear us?
I got you.

680
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,800
I can hear you now.
I can hear you now, Sean.

681
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,440
You got anything right now?
Yeah, just looking at some of UV

682
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,440
as advanced sets in the in the
advanced sets column, a lot of

683
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,440
red, which is bad.
You don't want you don't want

684
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,280
red 102nd offensive success
rate, 119 drop back success

685
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,760
rate.
So their passing game's been,

686
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,680
you know, been extremely
inefficient and then you know,

687
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,040
defense 58th.
So a little bit better there,

688
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,200
but they just haven't really
converted drives.

689
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,120
But that's been a big sore spot
for them.

690
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,480
Third down success pretty bad
200 and 3rd and 3rd and 4th down

691
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,200
conversion rate.
So across the board, man, it's

692
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560
been it's been a rough year for
the Wahoos.

693
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,720
It's not a lot to really look at
positively if you're a UVA fan

694
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,760
all.
Right, except they're five and

695
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320
six.
Somehow that's the only positive

696
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,040
they have is they're fucking
5:00 and 6:00.

697
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Look at the front half of their
schedule.

698
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Homie Oh it was awful.
I mean, we haven't had anything

699
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,680
to write home about, but the
front half of their schedule was

700
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,000
dog shit and we looked at it and
were like get to the back half

701
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,520
of the schedule and you will be
lucky to see one more.

702
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,640
They got it.
They.

703
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,320
Got it.
Which completely shocked me real

704
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,880
quick about the importance of
Cam Robinson here, because even

705
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,480
though they ranked way, way
down, as Shelton mentioned in

706
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:03,640
the total defense in that yard
per play, their run defense is

707
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,800
middle of the pack.
So Cam Robinson playing Saturday

708
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,080
is probably a huge key to that
because they ranked 57th in the

709
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,480
country when it comes to that.
So definitely going to be key if

710
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,400
he goes Saturday night.
Brian, you had one more guy you

711
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,760
wanted to talk about.
Who was that?

712
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Yeah, that's our defensive end,
Cam Butler.

713
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,280
You know, just looking at what
we do poorly, we struggle at

714
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,320
times to protect the the passer,
especially when you potentially

715
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,160
might have Pop Watson in there
at quarterback.

716
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Somebody with that inexperience,
you know, we saw that on a

717
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,840
couple times against Duke become
a big problem.

718
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,040
So we're going to need some
consistent offensive line play

719
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,360
when when we pair that with, you
know, potentially starting our

720
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,320
third string quarterback in this
game.

721
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480
So we'll see if Schlee can go
with the, you know, concussion.

722
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,720
We know that that Kyron's
probably going to be missing

723
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,840
this game as well.
So we're probably going to be

724
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,920
counted on at least our second,
if not our third string

725
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,600
quarterback here.
So it's going to be important to

726
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,320
protect that person.
And you know, Cam Butler does

727
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,320
not not he's not an excellent
rusher, but he is a guy that is

728
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,520
consistent and has a motor.
So we've got to be consistent

729
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,520
with our with our protection
throughout the game.

730
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,880
And obviously going back to the
Duke game, probably a night that

731
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,480
whole offensive line wants to
remember giving up seven sacks,

732
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,960
14 1/2 tackles for loss.
So something not good.

733
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,320
And you know, like, you know,
Shelton said they're about their

734
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,880
drop back success rate, not that
good.

735
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,720
So there is going to be some
opportunities there.

736
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,680
But always keep an eye on that.
Cam Butler, Shelton, anything

737
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400
else before we jump over to the
offensive side of the ball?

738
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Yeah, I did look up the numbers
for Yonah Sankar.

739
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,320
There's safety.
PFF is pretty average on him,

740
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,720
maybe a little bit below
average, but he does have 6

741
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,160
quarterback pressures this
season, which is tied for ninth

742
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,080
most among ACC defensive backs.
So I don't know how often they

743
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,840
bring them and pressure
situations, but you know, he's

744
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,320
done a decent job of getting
there at least.

745
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,240
And then, you know, in coverage
he's been targeted a decent

746
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,840
mountain and you know, teams
have had success against him. 3

747
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,400
touchdowns given up in coverage
for PFF so you know they've been

748
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,200
able to get to him.
But yeah, I just think overall

749
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,360
UVA for the most part has kind
of struggled defensively,

750
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,280
particularly in the secondary
run.

751
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Demons has been OK overall
pretty solid, but their

752
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,440
secondary has been some some
burnt toast this season.

753
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,840
All righty.
Let's hope we can take advantage

754
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,960
of that on Saturday.
Let's flip over to the offensive

755
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,640
side of the ball that's led by
Dez Kitchen Brown.

756
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,720
What does he like to do on
offense?

757
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,600
It's a it's a wide zone offense.
You know, he's been trying to

758
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,240
get to it I think for a while.
I think they're starting to have

759
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:53,320
a little bit more success with
the running game this year than

760
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960
they have necessarily.
I think the last two years.

761
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,520
It it it's an offense that it's
kind of predicated on being able

762
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,400
to run the ball so they can set
up some of those throws

763
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,840
downfield that that is kind of
their bread and butter when they

764
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,280
do get into a rhythm is throwing
the football down the field a

765
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,320
little bit off of play action
and things like that.

766
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,960
So obviously LED, you know,
Calandria quarterback, we've

767
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,280
seen Musk get in there at from
time to time.

768
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,840
I think there's a little bit of
a quarterback controversy kind

769
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,640
of brewing there.
I don't know how much to make of

770
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000
that just because you know,
muskets out of eligibility

771
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,680
beyond this year.
So that's that's something to

772
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,440
watch.
We'll see how much of musket we

773
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,160
see Saturday compared to
Calandria.

774
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,520
But you know, when we look at
Calandria, he's a guy that I I

775
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,080
think is as as much as we want
to give Kyron the the sophomore

776
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,960
slump here.
I mean, here's a guy that that's

777
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:58,480
really hit the the sophomore
wall very fucking hard this

778
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,960
year.
You know, when we looked at him

779
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,480
playing last year, you, you saw
a lot of like, you know, the,

780
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,720
the ceiling was there.
You can see what the ceiling

781
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,840
looked like, You know, when he
came, you know, came to throwing

782
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,280
the ball down feel a lot, very
average in those intermediate

783
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,720
areas.
But he was, he was driving the

784
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,280
ball down feel pretty
effectively.

785
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,440
We haven't seen a whole lot of
that success this year, success

786
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,600
down the field much lower than
last year.

787
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
And he's the guy that's going to
he'll he'll put the ball in

788
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,080
danger from time to time as
well.

789
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,000
So we're going to have some
opportunities, again, just like

790
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,320
we had against Duke, to get some
picks here, turn those into some

791
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,160
points.
All right, anything on Calandria

792
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,920
to write home about Shelton?
Yeah, So apropos what Brian was

793
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,720
saying, actually PFF grades him
as the second worst quarterback

794
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,720
on intermediate throws this
season.

795
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,480
He has been very inefficient
there.

796
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,520
And they don't they don't throw
it a ton of intermediate.

797
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,840
But yeah, he's he's trying a lot
there.

798
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,000
He's also been pressured I
believe 152 times this season,

799
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,480
which is fourth most among all
Power 4 quarterbacks.

800
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,280
So maybe that's gotten a little
bit in his head.

801
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
I'm sure that's probably
impacted his performance to some

802
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,120
degree.
But you know, teams have a

803
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,960
pretty easy time getting into
them.

804
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,760
And you know, UVA typically in
terms of their passing

805
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,560
structure, they they
disproportionately go behind

806
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,560
line of scrimmage and short
throws a little bit more.

807
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,080
So you probably see that more so
than, you know, deep shots just

808
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,080
because they've been, they've
been so ineffective and

809
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,440
intermediate and deep throws.
I wanted you to bring up what

810
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,440
Josh brought up here just so
everybody can kind of know that

811
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,320
obviously if y'all are paying
attention.

812
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:38,120
Hey Josh, yes, first of all,
their second leading rusher,

813
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,800
Xavier Brown, he's out the rest
of the season.

814
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,080
So we will not see Xavier Brown,
who has been averaging 6.1 for

815
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400
attempts.
He was right under 500 yards for

816
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,080
the year along with three total
touchdowns.

817
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Also 14.1 through the air.
Co pace, Co pace, Kobe pace also

818
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,240
hurt.
They will not know a lot on him

819
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,800
until the end of the year or
excuse me, the end of the week.

820
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,440
So not looking good there as
well.

821
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,400
And I know Brian, you, you kind
of made a little point here.

822
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,880
You wanted to mention him
because he could potentially

823
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,720
show up.
Yeah, I mean, if he shows up,

824
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,640
he's going to be the guy that
that's going to have set the

825
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,000
pace for them.
He kind of has to in that sense

826
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,240
because he is their leading guy.
And if you're talking about

827
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:34,760
going down, I believe Noah
Vaughn, too, is going to be the

828
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,520
next guy up.
He is a sophomore and in seven

829
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,880
games he has 30 carries.
And you just kind of rubber

830
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,560
stamp what I was saying earlier
here, Robbie.

831
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,120
You know, knowing Kitchens a
little bit more there, if the

832
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,000
wide zone is not successful,
they're going to struggle.

833
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Everything in the offense kind
of builds off the success of

834
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,600
that play.
So if they're struggling there,

835
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,000
it's going to be a trickle down
effect.

836
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,680
And we saw that against SMU.
We saw it against some other

837
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,320
teams as as well, so.
Hey.

838
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,880
Hey Shelton, your pressure rate
thing is absolutely on par with

839
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,000
how they do.
Statistically, they are 132 of

840
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
133 and sacks allowed.
They almost don't give up four

841
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,920
sacks per game.
So Shelton mentioned pressure

842
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,400
rates.
Not only are they getting

843
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,640
pressure, teams are finishing
them off as well when it comes

844
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,680
to that.
Couple more folks to talk about

845
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,040
here, Bryant, I know that you
wanted to hit up Malachi Fields,

846
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,000
who obviously is their key guy
when it comes to passing the

847
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,360
ball.
Shelton, I'll let you get the

848
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,800
data up here, but just Ron, what
are you seeing on the tape?

849
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,920
And then Shelton, if you get a
chance, let's talk about some of

850
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,200
where he's what he's good at.
Yeah.

851
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,520
I mean, he's their primary
threat down the field, good at

852
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,600
high pointing the ball, making
catches in traffic.

853
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,920
So he's going to be the guy
that's going to be kind of the

854
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,960
beginning and end of their big
play potential.

855
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,760
You know, there's some a couple
other guys out there that have

856
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,800
you've done some things here and
there, but really it kind of

857
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,320
starts and ends with what
Malachi feels has been doing.

858
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Also to note, Trell Harris
hasn't been available most of

859
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,200
the year.
Looks like he is going to be

860
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,920
available.
He's kind of a very yeah,

861
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,080
specific use receiver kind of on
the younger end there, but he is

862
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,520
a guy that is a red zone threat.
So, you know, keep an eye on him

863
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,560
from that perspective,
especially with him coming back.

864
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,320
There's a couple other guys, you
know, like Andre Green and and

865
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Chris Tyree that are out there,
but they haven't been the

866
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,760
factors I think that Eva thought
they were going to be this year.

867
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,400
Poor Chris Tyree.
Yeah, it it's, you know, talk

868
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,120
about somebody that, yeah, at
least Notre Dame was utilizing

869
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,160
him as a as a gadget type
player.

870
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,800
Whether we're out of the
backfield or at a true wide

871
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,920
receiver spot, UVA really has
not maximized his potential at

872
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,040
all.
It's really kind of beginning in

873
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,400
with Malachi Fields from a wide
receiver perspective.

874
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,040
We got another guy that we'll
talk about a little bit too that

875
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,840
kind of supplements that.
Yeah, but.

876
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,120
Let's go back to Chris Tyree for
a second because Chris Tyree at

877
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,440
Notre Dame basically three years
thousand plus rushing yards add

878
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,880
another 400 in the past in three
years also was a legit kick

879
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:23,240
return specialist and everything
just went this way.

880
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:27,960
And if y'all remember when he
came out, Chris, when Chris

881
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,320
Tyree came out, I mean, Chris
Tyree was like was like a top

882
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,760
150 player that went to Notre
Dame from Elsie Byrd down here

883
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,040
in Richmond.
And when he went to Notre Dame

884
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,360
and you saw the production, it's
like, well, they can't do

885
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,520
everything with him, but it's
like he's building his skill set

886
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,440
to basically he has a chance to
go to the next level.

887
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,240
He's submarine that this year
and what he's done at EBA.

888
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,320
And it sucks.
It sucks for him because he was

889
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,080
a hell of an athlete.
I can't remember, did he win

890
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,720
back in 2019?
I felt like maybe he was the

891
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,800
prep player of the Year, Jeff,
and I know you were doing some

892
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,360
stuff with RTV back then.
Was he Prep Player of the Year

893
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,240
back in 2019?
Actually done 20/19 was before

894
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,200
my time.
I don't know, but but yeah, I've

895
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,920
actually, I would actually, I
have a slightly different take.

896
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,280
I, I think his production in
Notre Dame was a little bit of a

897
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,360
red flag because he averaged
less yards per carry in 2022

898
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,600
than Keyshawn King did behind
that Notre Dame online.

899
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,400
So I, I think it was more a case
of like this guy was not quite

900
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,440
living up to the potential that
maybe some people, you know,

901
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,280
thought, thought he did goes to
UVA, you know, just doesn't

902
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,120
really produce, you know, he's
one of the lowest rated guys on

903
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,560
PFF.
Andre Green, another guy that

904
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,240
went to UNC, came back to UVA
and also is not produced.

905
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,880
So what what does that say about
some Virginia's skill guys?

906
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,000
I don't know, but maybe that's a
conversation for another day.

907
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,600
Another day, were you able to
find anything on Malachi fields?

908
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Yeah, he's been pretty solid
this year overall.

909
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:03,280
PFF likes him as the number 4
graded receiver in the ACC yards

910
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,360
per catch, not eye popping, but
you know, pretty solid and

911
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,960
average average chef at the
target about 12 yards.

912
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,360
So a little bit more
intermediate, not not too much,

913
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,640
you know, going deep a lot.
But he's he's definitely been, I

914
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,840
would say, you know, their most
productive overall wide

915
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,040
receiver, not that, you know,
the competition is particularly

916
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,920
stiff, but he's kind of the one
guy you want to watch out for

917
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,280
the most.
What a subtle, backhanded

918
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,560
comments.
Oh, my God, that's great if you

919
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,920
didn't catch it.
The wide receiver, he's a good

920
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,160
wide receiver, but the
competition he's playing with is

921
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,840
not that stiff.
That's the why is the only

922
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,000
reason he's looking good, per
Shelton Moss.

923
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,680
All right, Brian, one more guy.
Let's hit him up.

924
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,160
Let's talk about Tyler Neville,
the tight end.

925
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,280
What you got on him?
Yeah.

926
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,640
I mean, when we talk about the
other competition not standing

927
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,680
up, I mean, Neville is what, the
number 2 receiver on this team

928
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,640
at tight end position.
So that tells you a little bit

929
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,840
about what's going on, on the
UVA side of things there.

930
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
And he's really their kind of
outlet guy.

931
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,640
He's the guy that's going to
help them move the sticks and

932
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,080
and keep the drive matriculating
down the field there.

933
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,280
There's a definitely big safety
valve for Calandria or Musket,

934
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,440
whoever we see.
Again, I'm still expecting

935
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,640
Calandria, but who the fuck
knows at this point.

936
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,560
I've heard that there's some
some locker room drama going on

937
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,360
with that situation.
So we'll see how that plays out

938
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,320
and what effect that that's had
on, you know, the output that

939
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,880
this team has had in the back
half of the schedule.

940
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,880
But now, I mean, Neville's kind
of very, very balanced guy, but

941
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
he also is is very effective in
the passing game, which I think

942
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,320
is where he's going to probably
serve the biggest purpose in

943
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,000
this game all.
Righty, so there's kind of a

944
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600
quick look at the Virginia side
of the ball.

945
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,280
I'm going to make this real one
last real quick kind of

946
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,000
comparison before we get into
our keys and everything.

947
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,080
So I, I, I always keep up.
I'm a total offense guy, not

948
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,520
scoring.
I always, I, I love to lean on

949
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,040
Shelton for the deeper metrics,
but somehow there are two, five

950
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,800
and six teams meeting Saturday
and somehow, even though as bad

951
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,440
as their offensive line is, they
are just one, one position

952
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,000
behind the Hokies in total
offense.

953
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Total offense for the Hokies is
84th.

954
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,680
UVA is 85th.
So just put that on there and

955
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
let's get to the keys of the
game here.

956
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120
Shelton.
I'll let you Mull over a second.

957
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,680
Brian, what's your key to this
game?

958
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,080
The key to this game is keep the
damn cup at all cost.

959
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,600
You know, I think when we look
at the importance of this from a

960
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,800
long term perspective, I I think
getting the extra practices in

961
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,560
for a bowl is important for this
team because it is it's a team

962
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,480
that is both very young and,
and, and very experienced at the

963
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,760
same time.
So you got a lot of players that

964
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,480
are out of eligibility and then
you got a lot of sophomores and

965
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,280
freshmen that are seeing some
significant snaps.

966
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,760
So I think getting those guys
some extra snaps, whether it is

967
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,080
helping with potential draft
stock for the guys that are

968
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,560
running out of eligibility, that
are going to be draft eligible

969
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,200
or want to be draft eligible.
And then the guys, you know,

970
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,920
further down the Pike, getting
them some extra practices where

971
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,880
they're a little bit more
prepared to take on more

972
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,480
leadership roles as we roll into
2025.

973
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,720
And this is regardless of what
happens with the coaching staff

974
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,320
top down to bottom, all of these
things are going to be important

975
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,760
rolling into 2025.
So that winning the Cup, keeping

976
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,840
the Cup, getting those extra
practices, hopefully getting

977
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,360
another win in a bowl game,
getting back to seven and at

978
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,720
least saying, you know, despite
everything, we didn't take a

979
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,040
step back, even though we didn't
take the step forward that we

980
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:00,000
thought we saw coming.
All righty, Shelton, what about

981
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,360
you?
What's your feet in this game?

982
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,480
I'd say try to, you know,
maintain some level efficiency

983
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,400
on the ground game.
I mean, I think if, if Vt

984
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,240
struggles to run the ball, it's
going to make it really

985
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,560
difficult for for Pop Watson,
just because, you know, now he

986
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,640
played last week, teams have a
week of film, you know, how do

987
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,600
they adjust?
You know, I think that's going

988
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,920
to be a big key.
I could certainly foresee a

989
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,000
situation in which maybe, you
know, Pop struggles under the

990
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,360
under the spotlight and maybe,
you know, UK rattles him.

991
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,440
They, you know, they disguise
coverages, they they make life

992
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,080
hell for him and maybe he can
adjust.

993
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,760
And so if that's the case, then
you got to be able to run the

994
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,120
ball.
So, you know, I don't know if

995
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,160
you know, I, I expect tune to
play.

996
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,160
Obviously, you know, he he said
that in the in the presser this

997
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,120
week.
So he's going to gut it out and

998
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,560
you got to find a way to get
some chunk plays.

999
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,720
And I think tune and O liner are
definitely going to have to, you

1000
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,520
know, step up and perform big
time this this Saturday.

1001
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,160
All right.
I've, I've said so much about

1002
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,560
the keys all year, a lot of
different things.

1003
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,760
And it's kind of what Shelton
just said right there, keep Pop

1004
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,720
Watson clean if he is indeed the
starter, which is looking like

1005
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,360
that's probably going to be the
potential.

1006
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,720
And then for the other one, what
you have to kind of think about

1007
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,000
is we've mentioned it a couple
times already is we have to

1008
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,520
pressure Anthony Calandria.
We have to.

1009
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,880
And when I say that, it just
means to me, if we're standing

1010
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Calandria space pretty much all
game, I think this is going to

1011
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,760
be potentially maybe A1 score
game.

1012
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,560
We win.
But that's the two things.

1013
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,920
It's keep pop clean and it's
basically keep Calandria on the

1014
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,400
ground the whole fucking game.
All righty as y'all know this,

1015
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,600
it's been an hour and Jonathan
Tally is not here tonight.

1016
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,440
And Jonathan Tally had some
stuff come up family wise kind

1017
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,080
of last minute.
He was always expecting to get

1018
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,720
in here.
I think it was about 5:00 our

1019
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,200
time.
He messaged us, says hey, can't

1020
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,440
roll, something's happened.
Pretty sure everything's all

1021
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
right.
Usually Tally will let us know

1022
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,400
if more is going on, but
obviously I had to ask for his

1023
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,480
prediction and so I'm going to
leave with that real quick

1024
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
before I get to Shelton, Brian
and then myself.

1025
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,320
And y'all.
Tally's down bad.

1026
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Tally's down bad.
Tally thinks that UVA takes this

1027
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:30,360
game 28 to 21.
What say you, Shelton Moss?

1028
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,280
I'm going to take I'm going to
take Vt 31 to 21.

1029
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,360
I think they're going to get
like a a less.

1030
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760
I think we're going to get like
a late field goal to make it a

1031
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,200
A2 score game.
So that way we can live with the

1032
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,440
misery of Brent probably being
bad at one score games.

1033
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,080
So, so we'll we'll avoid having
one score win for the first time

1034
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,760
in three years.
So yeah, I'll take PT.

1035
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Brian.
I wanted to pick against us so

1036
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,160
bad, but just looking at UVA and
what they've done recently, I

1037
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:10,360
just even with if Pop Watson is
the starter, I think we've got a

1038
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,120
a very good chance of coming
away with the W at home in lane.

1039
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,240
Bowl eligibility of the line,
Cup on the line.

1040
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:26,040
Give me a 3124 victory for the
Hokies and Brent Pry gets his

1041
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:33,200
second one score victory of his
tenure and you know it may be

1042
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:38,560
one that you know he can build
on for 2025.

1043
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,920
All righty, I get to go last and
as most people who know me

1044
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,520
personally, I'll probably know I
am a pretty positive person.

1045
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,040
I am I am a pretty positive
individual regardless what you

1046
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,360
see on here on Tuesday nights,
because this is where I get to

1047
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,960
been about Hokie football, get
to hold it in for a few days and

1048
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,000
let it all come out here.
But I'm at the point right now

1049
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,760
in my head, I I I can't see this
team win.

1050
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,080
I can't I just can't.
I think right now you lose

1051
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,640
another close game where you
literally had so many things

1052
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,720
that went against you.
You're right there.

1053
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,040
You should have easily have
taken it.

1054
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,760
So I think, and I am hoping I'm
wrong and y'all can all talk

1055
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,280
shit to me next week.
I'll be the happiest person to

1056
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,120
take it.
I think they snapped the 26th

1057
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:33,120
game or 26 year losing streak in
Blacksburg on Saturday night.

1058
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,960
It's a one score game. 3127 bad
guys.

1059
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,640
So there it is.
All righty, we'll.

1060
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,440
Split house here we'll split
house split.

1061
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,080
House cuz me and Tally were
dead.

1062
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,360
You know why?
Cuz me and Tally last week

1063
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,000
literally said Duke were going
to win.

1064
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,760
We had we had it on the notes.
That was how we felt and we

1065
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,200
flipped it at the last possible
second for whatever reason.

1066
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:04,440
Now Brian real quick got to make
an announcement here.

1067
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:10,360
So a couple things happened.
We never heard from our original

1068
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,360
winner of the pyramid.
So what do we have to do?

1069
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,560
Well, we threw all the names
back in there.

1070
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,240
We pressed the button and the
new winner, and you have two

1071
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,520
weeks.
You have two weeks.

1072
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:29,480
So what day will it be?
17 All right.

1073
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:35,920
You cannot math. 10th I can't
math December 10th December 10th

1074
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:42,560
There you go, winner is.
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1075
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,320
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1076
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,080
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1077
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,520
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1078
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,720
We will get you your mailing
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1079
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,720
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1080
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,360
up any way you can.
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1081
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,080
All righty so we're going to
move forward.

1082
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,480
We have a few more things we're
going to talk about football

1083
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:19,160
related but as you all know it
is Thanksgiving week and if

1084
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,760
y'all don't know we are some
hungry people at the Boundary

1085
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,600
Corner podcast.
We always eat Brian cooking up a

1086
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,600
big meal this year for his
family.

1087
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,880
Two turkeys, baby.
Two turkeys?

1088
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,080
Are you heading back in town or?
Back to Richmond.

1089
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,560
Headed back to Richmond, eat
with his family at one

1090
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,960
Thanksgiving already at my
sister's this weekend.

1091
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,080
It was delicious.
It was great.

1092
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Obviously Thursday here in
Richmond as well.

1093
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,240
We are actually my mother in
law's doing Turkey dress.

1094
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,800
We're doing the whole Turkey
here.

1095
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,920
So the first time doing that as
a family and one of our buddies

1096
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,200
that we chat with all the time
by the name of Andrew Karen

1097
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,160
through this out here.
And I I want to hear it not only

1098
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,440
from us on the US here on the
podcast.

1099
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,160
I want to see if y'all out
there, whether Twitter, YouTube,

1100
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,040
Facebook, and it's the following
and I'm going to Callie sent me

1101
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,120
his and our wonderful
contributing writer, Miranda

1102
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:25,240
Senator third, but what is your
core 4 on a plate of

1103
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Thanksgiving?
You only had four items you

1104
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,320
could put.
What would you put?

1105
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,480
Gravy is a side.
Gravy is not a side.

1106
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,760
Gravy is a spa in this
situation.

1107
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,520
All right, I'm going to start
with Sally first.

1108
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Sally said he's going to go with
the dresses and gimps and Turkey

1109
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,400
with Mac and cheese and a little
sweet with the yank.

1110
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,240
I got that.
Miranda, very similar here.

1111
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,320
She's going Turkey with mashed
potatoes, with stuffing, with

1112
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,320
green bean casserole.
Not not a sweet or Miranda.

1113
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,480
Ron Sigler.
That's my turn.

1114
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,400
What's your score for?
All right, all right, I got to

1115
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,160
go Turkey, got to go dressing,
got to go Mac and cheese.

1116
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,880
My 4th is going to be green
beans of whatever variety.

1117
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,760
So I will, I will go with some
sort of green bean, whether it

1118
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,840
be, you know, with some, with
some ham hocks, whether it be

1119
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,480
green bean casserole, you know,
whatever form of green beans

1120
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,240
you're giving me.
We'll put it on there.

1121
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,400
Jason threw it, threw a little a
little aside there with the

1122
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,720
deviled eggs.
He threw the deviled eggs in

1123
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,560
there.
And that's got me rethinking my

1124
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,440
green bean selection.
But I'm going to stick with the

1125
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,760
green beans.
Oh, he goes ham.

1126
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,080
Yes, some places do serve ham.
I'll be considering deviled eggs

1127
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,760
an actual side here.
How There's some there's some

1128
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,360
Gray area here.
I consider deviled eggs an

1129
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,640
actual side.
OK, I'll consider that.

1130
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,280
I'll.
Sauce and can't be put on

1131
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,560
anything.
You know what then?

1132
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,080
Deviled eggs might trump green
beans here, so let's go fucking

1133
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,960
doubled eggs.
Ryan's going down a little eggs.

1134
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,760
He's kicking the greens to the.
2nd, thank you, Jason.

1135
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,360
Thank you.
Shelton Moss, what about you?

1136
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,160
In order of preference,
obviously we're going Turkey,

1137
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,480
although I am a big hand band as
well.

1138
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,040
So if you want to substitute
that, you can mashed potatoes

1139
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,560
and gravy.
That's my number one side.

1140
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,880
You can't have a can't have a
dinner without mashed potatoes

1141
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,280
and gravy.
And then we'll go Mac and cheese

1142
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,440
and then we will go I guess
green beans as well.

1143
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,640
Just get some, get some
vegetables in there, make a

1144
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,240
little bit healthy.
There you go.

1145
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,760
All right.
I'm going to throw up a couple

1146
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,040
other folks here.
That was my inclination.

1147
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,200
And then I saw deviled eggs.
I'm like, OK, all right, all

1148
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,280
right.
Your boy here not a big Deviled

1149
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,360
Legs fan?
There's Josh Young.

1150
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,720
Irrespectable.
Hey, Jim Casserole.

1151
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,320
Hey, Jim, with the with the
cranberry sauce, the can joint.

1152
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,120
Oh, man, Jim.
Jim started in the sweets

1153
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,960
earlier right here.
Yeah, man, let me go up to

1154
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,560
Robbie real quick.
I think you might have put it

1155
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,000
up.
There you go.

1156
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,000
All right.
I, I'd, I'd eventually pivot

1157
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,080
over to Robbie's version there.
So yeah, we're we're good there

1158
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,640
all.
Right, I am going to go as

1159
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,640
follows.
First of all, Turkey and mashed

1160
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,480
potatoes, both with gravy on
them.

1161
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,520
Get it on there, layer it up,
make it all good.

1162
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Next, something to my wife's, I
love.

1163
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:23,000
She has a delicious corn
pudding, absolutely lovely, a

1164
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,480
little sweet.
Got to have it, especially as

1165
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:32,920
heavy as the Turkey, mashed
potatoes and and gravy is.

1166
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,800
And then give me a broccoli
casserole.

1167
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,520
Give me a broccoli casserole.
I like.

1168
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,640
I need a little bit of cheese in
my life there.

1169
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,400
Although I did have we didn't
have broccoli casserole, my

1170
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,520
sisters.
So I did have a giant portion of

1171
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,240
Mac and cheese, but you know,
throw a little greens in there

1172
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:54,760
and Yep, you know, it's always
fun.

1173
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,120
We'd love to hear y'all's as
well because I mean I'm going to

1174
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:06,120
be basically starting to
starting pretty much tomorrow

1175
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,520
through Sunday.
Lots of football, lots of food,

1176
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,000
lots of family, a lot of good
stuff over the next 5 days.

1177
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,640
Yeah, I put the turkeys in the
brine just before we jumped on

1178
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,000
here.
Curtis jumped on.

1179
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,439
He saw I had the the mic muted.
The the camera stopped.

1180
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,800
I was.
I was in there trapping the

1181
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,399
turkeys, man, getting those bad
boys ready, smoking.

1182
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,000
Them or you dropping them?
Oh yeah, I'm smoking both of

1183
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,080
them, getting a full 24 hour
brine in there and I'm going to

1184
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,439
let them air dry out in the
fridge overnight and then first

1185
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,920
thing in the morning they're on
the smoker.

1186
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,439
All right, let's keep it rolling
here and we will be eating good.

1187
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,359
Maybe I'll come to your house
Friday and just.

1188
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,000
Eat all the rest.
Plenty of leftovers, man.

1189
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,960
Exactly.
Maybe I'll come over Friday.

1190
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,520
All right, let's hit it real
quick.

1191
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,680
College Football Playoff poll
released tonight.

1192
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,279
Obviously the chaos that
happened in college football,

1193
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,000
especially down the SEC this
weekend.

1194
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,720
Count throws everything, your
top 4 hour as follows.

1195
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,319
Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn
State, Notre Dame, Miami,

1196
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,840
Georgia, Tennessee, SMU,
Indiana, Boise.

1197
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,520
And then believe it or not, the
12th team is Arizona State in

1198
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,359
first team out is Clemson.
And for everybody's not aware,

1199
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:32,120
Oregon, Texas, Miami and Boise
State would get your buys home

1200
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,600
field advantages.
Ohio State, Penn State, Notre

1201
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,399
Dame and Georgia would be
getting home field advantages,

1202
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,600
effectively playing these other
teams.

1203
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,200
Anything shocked by any of this
for either one of y'all?

1204
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,600
If y'all got to see the release
about two hours ago.

1205
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,360
Not really.
This this was actually a little

1206
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,320
bit more predictable than last.
Like last week.

1207
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,880
I felt like we had a lot to talk
about.

1208
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,520
This was kind of a as
straightforward as you could

1209
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,560
imagine.
I mean, you could you could, you

1210
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,400
know, squabble a little bit over
up one, down one, but there

1211
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,520
there isn't the egregious What
the fuck are they doing there in

1212
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,280
in in this one?
It's true.

1213
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,000
I I I agree wholeheartedly with
you.

1214
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,040
It's like they got it right.
The Big 12 is definitely

1215
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,240
officially A1 dead league.
ACC potentially sneak two in the

1216
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,760
Clemson a game we're going to
pick in a little while here.

1217
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,920
That game is massive for
Clemson's.

1218
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,560
Yep.
IU probably has life if Indiana

1219
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,280
can beat Purdue.
The terrible Purdue team for the

1220
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:48,120
old Oaken Bucket, which is a
game I almost chose, but if not.

1221
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,360
Robbie got was very right and
very wrong last week.

1222
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,280
He's like, Indiana's going to
get blown out.

1223
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,160
They basically did, basically
did.

1224
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,960
And but they that that did not
disqualify them here.

1225
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,080
He thought it, he thought it was
going to, but the SEC losses

1226
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,040
definitely gave them some life.
Well, it's the SEC losses to the

1227
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,320
average teams, the teams that
have been basically.

1228
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,240
Meddling.
Yeah, meddling.

1229
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,960
You know, you can't continue to
pile again.

1230
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,640
I screamed it last week a little
bit.

1231
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,160
Wins have to eventually matter.
You, you, you.

1232
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,280
If a nine and three team makes
it in this year, it's just going

1233
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,280
to be one of those like, well,
if you're a tween team that wins

1234
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,960
10 or 11 games and you're left
out, like what the fuck can I do

1235
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,800
different?
I literally won 80% of my games

1236
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,920
this year and you're letting the
team that won 70% of theirs in.

1237
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,200
So, you know, that's all I can
say about that.

1238
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,760
So it will be interesting as we
go in.

1239
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,920
I think next week's is going to
be a lot of fun.

1240
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,760
True.
Great point, Jason.

1241
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,360
Unbelievable point, Jason.
All right, one last piece I do

1242
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,240
want to hit up before we go to
big screeners.

1243
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,800
I do not know if y'all, if you
aren't, you should follow Doug

1244
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:13,600
Bowman, who was with 247.
Doug Bowman basically looked at

1245
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,120
the BT Board of visitors meeting
that they had, I think it was

1246
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,840
last week, in which Tim Sands
basically stated the following

1247
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,640
athletic department is basically
going to get a 1% budget

1248
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,120
increase in the next couple
years.

1249
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,160
Now you sit here and say that's
one fucking percent.

1250
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,200
What the hell is that?
Anybody know the annual budget

1251
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,120
for Virginia Tech or you know,
any sort of big university like

1252
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,680
that?
Anybody 1.

1253
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,160
Day Athletic Athletics.
Budget.

1254
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,800
No, no, no, not athletic because
it's the entire university

1255
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,320
budget right now.
Athletics gets 5%.

1256
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Tim Sands is basically saying
it's going to go to six.

1257
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,080
But do you know how big a budget
is for the school in general?

1258
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:10,560
I mean at least nine figures.
2.3 billion, so it's 10.

1259
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,240
Figures, yeah.
Yeah, so 2.3 billion and people

1260
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,640
are like, well, what's 1%?
So roughly right now the budget

1261
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,280
is like 125.
It would probably go to close to

1262
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:27,160
140 when that happens.
The other thing that's sneaky

1263
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,400
about this, if y'all don't pay
any, go go read that letter.

1264
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,440
Tim Sands is making a political
move to potentially get the

1265
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:38,440
athletic fee higher, however you
feel about that.

1266
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,800
And I know Shelton, you went
there, you had to pay that.

1267
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,720
I was part of your tuition every
year.

1268
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,600
Not something you can never get
back, but with a school of

1269
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,200
30,000 people and the amount
that they have to pay if it hit

1270
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,360
the highest end, which would be
$2000, basically would add an

1271
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,560
extra $32 million to the sports
budget.

1272
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,800
So anybody in favor of 50
million extra dollars in the

1273
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,520
athletic department budget?
Brian, you're being very quiet

1274
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,800
because I think he's about to
give the take that we talked

1275
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,920
about.
Well, I'm, I'm of two minds

1276
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,120
because.
So let's go back in time a

1277
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,320
little bit.
Let's go back to let's go back

1278
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,600
to 2000.
Let's, let's, let's talk about

1279
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:35,040
the enrollment boost of Michael
Vick of playing for the national

1280
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,640
championship.
So let's talk about that and

1281
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,160
then we let's compare that to
the product on the field and the

1282
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,720
idea that students should be
paying more for that product.

1283
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:56,760
So it's it's, it's the classic
catch 22 because you, you need

1284
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,400
the money to be competitive.
But if you're to, if you're

1285
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,680
getting the money and you're
still not competitive, you're

1286
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,320
going to have a backlash.
We're already seeing that this

1287
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,000
season, right?
You know, you went, you went

1288
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,600
full bore.
We're talking, we're talking

1289
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,160
about the NIL situation with
basketball.

1290
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,120
And we see what that looks like.
We saw it last night.

1291
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,080
We've seen it the last couple
games.

1292
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,320
We see where the state of of, of
the athletic department is with

1293
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,200
NIL and how we went all in with
football.

1294
01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,840
And we're getting kind of
basically the same results,

1295
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,160
right?
So now you're talking about

1296
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:40,200
adding student fees onto that as
part of essentially with budgets

1297
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,360
being commingled now between NIL
and the athletic department

1298
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,120
budget, all of that could
potentially go in towards paying

1299
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,440
players, you know, whatever the
athletic department needs at

1300
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,240
that given time.
So I think if you don't see some

1301
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,160
success in the very near term
with that strategy, there's

1302
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,960
going to be a backlash in
enrollment.

1303
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,240
And I know that there's other
states, other schools doing it,

1304
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,640
but I think from from Virginia
Tech's perspective, you're going

1305
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,560
to see some backlash.
Shelton Yeah.

1306
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,880
I mean, give me whatever you
want to give me on this man.

1307
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,840
Again, it's your alma mater.
It's something you had to pay.

1308
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,760
It's something that's looked at.
Obviously parents are going to

1309
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:26,840
look at it.
Kids are going to look at it.

1310
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,880
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you
know, you guys, you guys know,

1311
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,120
I'm, I'm a huge fan of college
sports and I want, I want to see

1312
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,160
investment and and see VTV
competitive.

1313
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,840
But you know, passing on the
cost to the consumer is

1314
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,520
something I always have have
issue with just because, you

1315
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,120
know, we're we're already paying
for the tickets, the TV, the TV

1316
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,800
fees and essentially subsidizing
the entire athletic department.

1317
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,440
Now we've got to pay on top of
that BNIL stuff.

1318
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,560
So, and then, you know,
potentially student fees, you

1319
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,320
know, adding, adding student
fees, which I mean, they can't

1320
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,520
do legally because VE has a set
a set fee right now.

1321
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,800
But yeah, I don't know man.
I just think it when you look at

1322
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,920
big picture, you know, obviously
these cause of like departments

1323
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,000
have gone by decades without
having to pay players.

1324
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,680
Now they've got to reinvest that
money into the players and it's

1325
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,520
created some budget shortfalls
and they're they've got to find

1326
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,920
a way to make up the money
somehow.

1327
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,960
So I think Tim Sands is going to
be good here.

1328
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,440
I know he, you know, he's on
leadership council for D1 and I

1329
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:20,440
think he has a good
understanding of what DT needs

1330
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:23,520
and how to manage the money.
But I just think it's

1331
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,400
unfortunate that, you know, we
are in a situation like Brian

1332
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,800
said, where we're investing more
than we've invested in decades

1333
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,880
and the product has not changed
at all.

1334
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,040
I I also think that, you know,
we're getting to the point now

1335
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,720
where it seems to me like
investment in players is going

1336
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,560
to be more important than
investment in coaches.

1337
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,680
But what does that look like in
the intermediate?

1338
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,840
I mean, we don't know exactly.
So lots of uncertainty for sure,

1339
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,040
but I would say that, you know,
this is probably a time if you

1340
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,880
have like department where
they're they're trying to play

1341
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,200
things safe and be calculated
and and risk averse so that they

1342
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,400
are set up well for the next
stage of college sports where,

1343
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,360
you know, we we're we're now
paying players and it's a very,

1344
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,360
you know, very much like a kind
of a pro system.

1345
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,120
And I, I trust, you know, Witt
and tans and sync on that

1346
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,040
particular front.
But there's going to be, I think

1347
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,120
it's, it might, it might get
worse before it gets better.

1348
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,560
I guess I'll put it that way.
Yeah.

1349
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,480
We're in that kind of Gray area
too.

1350
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,120
And I mean, I know a lot of
people.

1351
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,760
I think there's a, you know, we
saw from the poll, there's a

1352
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:32,680
small but vocal majority that
very much want Whit Babcock out

1353
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:38,560
of the athletic department.
And there's part of that subset

1354
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:44,000
that very much does not think
that Sayings cares enough about

1355
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:49,480
sports to follow through on the
lip service that he's given.

1356
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:55,320
And I, I don't know where the
reality of that actually is from

1357
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,640
a long term perspective.
But when I look at Virginia Tech

1358
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:07,960
football and I look at kind of
where we were behind, I, I, I

1359
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,760
think the problem that Virginia
Tech football has is that we

1360
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:16,040
were behind on overhauling our
recruiting for so long.

1361
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:22,440
We were behind on, you know, a
handful of the facilities things

1362
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:25,200
that I think needed to be in
place maybe a little bit

1363
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,040
earlier.
I know facilities are kind of

1364
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,720
falling out of favor in terms of
major investment.

1365
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,000
But when you look at a locker
room and I know that that's

1366
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:40,560
that's coming, but that's put us
at a disadvantage, I feel like

1367
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:49,520
from a just meeting the the
minimum required level of, you

1368
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,360
know, power for competitive
advantage from that front.

1369
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,520
So I feel like we've been a
little bit behind on those

1370
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,000
things, some of those cosmetic
things that I think do have

1371
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,440
small influences over, you know,
players.

1372
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,360
And now we're in a situation
where we've got to weigh that,

1373
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:10,880
investing in that, investing in
staff, potentially overhauling a

1374
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:16,480
staff partially this offseason
with still fully investing in

1375
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,120
bringing in as many high quality
athletes as we can with NIO and

1376
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,000
that's a tough place to be in.
It it really is a tough place to

1377
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,840
be in.
It is a changing landscape,

1378
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:33,120
something that really we have
not seen in our lifetimes when

1379
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,760
it comes to this.
And again, how they go about it

1380
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,400
really over the next two or
three years is going to

1381
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,160
determine where Virginia Tech
stands at the end of it.

1382
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,080
And you know, we can say, well,
the if the product isn't good,

1383
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,120
you know, people are going to
get sick and tired of it.

1384
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,280
But but boys, I'll say this.
Take a look at some of those

1385
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,360
passionate fan bases across this
country.

1386
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,040
They don't have good teams.
Look at Mississippi State out

1387
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,120
there all the time screaming for
their team and they have not

1388
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,400
even been damn SEC championship
game.

1389
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,480
Think about that.
So how are you going to compete

1390
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:18,320
with that?
How are you going to get upset

1391
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,280
and say, well, we need to just
go ahead and start cutting all

1392
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,920
this stuff off?
You really can't.

1393
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,880
That's my opinion.
It might not be one that people

1394
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,240
like a lot.
So kind of is what it is.

1395
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,480
All right, so let's move on
y'all and let's get down to big

1396
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,000
screeners where it's always
going to be a lot of fun.

1397
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:44,200
And for this week, hold up
Brian, you didn't send me the

1398
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,320
four.
I don't know who's winning, I

1399
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,040
don't know who's losing.
Just know we're all out there

1400
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,040
floating around 500 somewhere.
So if you bet with us, you might

1401
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,240
win, you might lose.
That's all I'm going to say.

1402
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,040
But Brian on where you going on
this one?

1403
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,480
And we're heading to College
Station, baby.

1404
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:12,040
We are heading out there.
A&M is a six point home dog to

1405
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,800
Texas.
And you know what I think I

1406
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,120
think Vegas got that about
right.

1407
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,640
I think it's going to be about a
touchdown win for the Longhorns

1408
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,320
to give me Texas here all.
Right, this is a massive games

1409
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:29,600
when it comes to really the
playoffs implications.

1410
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,000
The winner of this game goes to
the SEC championship.

1411
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,400
It's going to be Saturday night.
It's going to be 112,000 people

1412
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,480
at Kyle Field.
I like Texas A&M getting 6

1413
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:45,120
points, but I don't think
they're going to win.

1414
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,920
I think Texas is going to take
this by field goal. 3128 Texas

1415
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,960
wins, A&M covers Sheldon.
Yeah, I think Texas is going to

1416
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,080
smack him around a little bit.
I think it'll be relatively

1417
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,560
close, but Texas will cover.
I just don't like the way AM is

1418
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:05,880
playing right now all.
Righty and I am on an island

1419
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,360
here.
On an island, baby.

1420
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,680
Everybody else Tally, Miranda
and Jason says hook em forms.

1421
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,360
Where are we going, Curtis?
We are going to Athens, GA for a

1422
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,320
little clean, old fashioned
hate.

1423
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:24,160
Georgia Bulldogs home team
getting 19 1/2 points versus

1424
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,840
Georgia Tech.
And, and on this one, Georgia

1425
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,720
already locked into the SEC
championship game.

1426
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,320
But I don't think they can.
They cannot.

1427
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,200
They can.
I'll afford to take it out of

1428
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,640
conference loss at 9:00 and
2:00.

1429
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:42,000
They cannot go nine and three.
But Georgia Tech has fought

1430
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,360
everybody tooth and nail all
year.

1431
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,840
The game last year was tooth and
nail.

1432
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:52,120
So one thing I was looking at
and I want to see where it is

1433
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:58,240
because I got a feeling we're
going to all stick on here, is I

1434
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:03,920
think Haines King is going to
play, which is pretty big for

1435
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,560
them.
He's dated he's day-to-day, but

1436
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,840
I think 19 1/2 is too much.
Georgia at some point has to

1437
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,720
decide probably to turn the The
Jets off because what you do not

1438
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,880
want happening is somebody to
break their leg or some serious

1439
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,600
injury happen.
Give me Georgia Tech, it's 19

1440
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,360
1/2.
Georgia still wins, but closer

1441
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,080
than what the experts out in
Vegas think.

1442
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,880
Yeah, they got this one wrong.
To me, I think that's going to

1443
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,600
be about A2 touchdown win for
Georgia.

1444
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,600
I think Georgia Tech's going to
keep it close.

1445
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,320
You know, Georgia might pull
away a little bit at the end.

1446
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,000
I don't think it's going to be,
you know, worth 3 scores there.

1447
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,040
So I want to take Georgia Tech
as well.

1448
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,480
Sean.
Yeah, I'm taking Georgia Tech

1449
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:51,120
also.
I just don't trust Georgia's

1450
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,800
offense enough to really kind of
beat him up that bad.

1451
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,360
And I think Georgia Tech, you
know, they've got enough, they

1452
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,640
got enough, enough talent to
give within, you know, 3

1453
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,440
touchdowns.
That defense is going to keep

1454
01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:02,120
them in the game.
It's it's going to make it

1455
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,080
pretty close.
It really is.

1456
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,800
And Talley says Georgia Tech,
Georgia Tech off the board, they

1457
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:14,520
have officially been cursed.
They got the kiss of death man.

1458
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:22,040
The the the full BCP wagon here.
All righty, let's go next down

1459
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,720
to Death Valley, Clemson, SC.
This is Tally's pick y'all.

1460
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,560
And hang on, hang on.
That's.

1461
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,240
Not the oh, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry.

1462
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:31,480
Let's go.
Let's.

1463
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:36,200
Go to Shelton.
Let's go 15 miles that way.

1464
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,480
We got a big a big time game
this weekend in the Commonwealth

1465
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:43,520
Lee High playing Richmond in the
first round of the FCS playoffs.

1466
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,960
For those who don't know, the
FCS playoffs get started this

1467
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,880
weekend.
Montana State is the one seed.

1468
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,080
They had an undefeated regular
season and they are #1 in the

1469
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,080
FCS polls for the first time in
10 years.

1470
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,480
The usual behemoths of the FCS.
North Dakota State is 2 seed and

1471
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,320
South Coast State is a three
seed, so it should be a pretty

1472
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,800
interesting field.
I think Richmond is a nine seed.

1473
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,800
So they did get seeded.
The top 12 teams have a seed and

1474
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:15,360
yeah, some, some, you know, high
ups for the Spiders this year as

1475
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,240
they try to advance past the
second round of playoffs.

1476
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,440
Last two seasons for Richmond,
they have won their first round

1477
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:25,120
games by a total of 63 points.
Their head coach is Russ

1478
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,600
Huesman, who was formerly at
Chattanooga and is as in his

1479
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,840
eighth season with the program.
So good game.

1480
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,600
I think it'll be fairly close.
The winner of this one will play

1481
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,000
Idaho all the way out in Moscow
and head over to the Kiddie

1482
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,680
Kiddie Dome next week for the
second round.

1483
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,840
But with all that being said, I
will take Richmond.

1484
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,080
I like how they how they played
in the first round of the

1485
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,320
playoffs these last couple of
years.

1486
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,400
I think they'll have no trouble
putting away the Mountain Hawks,

1487
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,520
and they'll advance to Idaho
next week.

1488
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,400
You know what I'm riding with, I
ride with Richmond as well.

1489
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,120
I got to got to keep it local
here and and and ride with the

1490
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,280
with the home team.
Those mountain hawk let that

1491
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:03,920
logo is something.
I like that thing.

1492
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,040
Cool logo.
Cool logo, but the spiders have

1493
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:19,560
always had a cool logo.
My father in Give him 21.

1494
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,200
Yeah, yeah.
And I think.

1495
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,080
We cursed them again.
We cursed them again.

1496
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,280
We cursed.
Them again if they lose.

1497
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,480
Spiders going down.
If, if, if, if they do, it's

1498
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:34,840
going to be on us.
Yeah, by the way, you from from

1499
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,280
Jason.
Jason was like kind of gamblers

1500
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,320
picking is kind of betting on
this game.

1501
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,280
Well, he's got to understand
Shelton's love for the FCS.

1502
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,280
By the way, let's just be
honest.

1503
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,080
Wouldn't it be nice to get to
1616?

1504
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,840
Nobody gets a bye.
There's no more conference

1505
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,000
championship games just starts
next week.

1506
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,120
They play 1, you skip 1, you
play 1, you get to the bowls at

1507
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,040
home fields.
I'd be down with that.

1508
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,920
I'd be sick as shit.
We'll get there eventually.

1509
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,320
There we go.
Eventually, yeah, it's, it's

1510
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,400
more games, it's more money.
Of course we're going to get

1511
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,640
there eventually.
I think, I think we'll get there

1512
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:17,240
once the the full power for
whatever split, whatever the

1513
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,280
fuck that happens with that,
whenever that officially takes

1514
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,160
place, I think that's when we'll
get to 16, but we'll see.

1515
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,800
We will see.
All righty, let's go next.

1516
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,920
This time we're going to
Clemson, SC, where it is the

1517
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,840
Ballaloo of the Palmetto State.
Also a battle in my cousin's

1518
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,880
household.
Wife loves Clemson, he went to

1519
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:39,640
South Carolina.
Son goes to South Carolina.

1520
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,280
Mom loves Clemson.
I don't want to be in that

1521
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,680
house.
He's never invited me over for

1522
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,000
Thanksgiving, for Thanksgiving.
I will never go down there

1523
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,760
because I do not want to slip
through the fighting of this

1524
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,080
game.
This is a big game in a lot of

1525
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,360
senses because we mentioned just
a couple minutes ago, Clemson is

1526
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,920
the last team out South
Carolina.

1527
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,240
I think I had it up here in my
damn web browser.

1528
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,880
Crash.
South Carolina is like 15th and

1529
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,640
people are thinking that South
Carolina may be able to slip in

1530
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,000
the back door and get in the
playoff.

1531
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,320
I do not think that is possible
at all.

1532
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,720
But Clemson's also a Sid and
wait because Miami plays

1533
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:23,040
Syracuse and what happens if
Syracuse wins and beats Miami on

1534
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,800
Saturday?
I don't know, right?

1535
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:32,280
Y'all don't know is.
That Clemson goes to the down to

1536
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,680
Charlotte.
Clemson goes to Charlotte if the

1537
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:40,360
Syracuse, Yep, they pull it off.
So Brian, what's your take on

1538
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,360
this one?
You know, it's interesting you

1539
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,960
talked about South Carolina.
I will say this about South

1540
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,360
Carolina is that if there's a
three loss team that makes it,

1541
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,360
it might be South Carolina.
Yeah, the way it's lining up,

1542
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:58,040
right?
So if there's a three loss team

1543
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,120
that makes it, South Carolina is
going to be the one.

1544
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,400
But I don't think they get past
the Tigers here.

1545
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,280
I think the Tigers role, it's
not going to be a big victory,

1546
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,360
but I think it's going to be
about a about a touchdown win

1547
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:12,360
for the Tigers.
I am with you on this. 2 1/2 is

1548
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,920
not enough.
I think South Carolina, it's

1549
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,880
going to be a competitive game.
It probably is going to be an

1550
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,400
entertaining game.
The game should not be at noon,

1551
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,040
which I think it is on Saturday.
That's a bunch of garbage.

1552
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,080
It should be later in the day,
but you know I don't control the

1553
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:30,680
TV and where you put the games.
Shane and the boys keep it

1554
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:37,520
close, but Clemson wins by 10.
Give me 3323.

1555
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,960
Compounding the stakes,
obviously, if Miami wins next

1556
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,120
this upcoming week, Clemson
won't be able to get another

1557
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,520
chance for winning the
conference title game.

1558
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,400
Which means, of course, that if
the Tigers lose, their playoffs

1559
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,720
are very much in the balance.
So big game.

1560
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,960
I think the team kind of knows,
you know, the expectations.

1561
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,040
They've dominated this rivalry
the past decade or so, lost a

1562
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:00,920
couple years ago.
So they'll be pretty focused to

1563
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,280
like get that home win again.
So I'm taking Clemson.

1564
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:09,120
There we go, Tally riding with
Clemson as well.

1565
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,160
Miranda with the Cox.
Miranda, Ron and Jason with the

1566
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,040
hey put up that Robbie message
real quick.

1567
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:17,920
Let.
Me.

1568
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:18,880
Find it here.
Hang on.

1569
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,560
My cousin is T, He is going to
be proud of you.

1570
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,440
Twizzler Go Cox.
Twizzler is a story.

1571
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:31,360
Maybe one day, maybe a state of
the program gets told.

1572
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:33,960
What do you think, Robbie?
Can we tell?

1573
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,040
Him we got, we got about a month
away, man.

1574
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,800
It might happen this year,
depending on how much I drink.

1575
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,560
The story of why Robbie is known
as Twizzler to my cousin.

1576
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:44,760
All right, where are we going
next?

1577
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:52,480
Who is the next one?
Oh, hey, State and Iowa State is

1578
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,560
Miranda's game.
And I have been trying to pull

1579
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,560
this up, but my computer over
here has been a pain in the ass.

1580
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,560
So the Big 12 is in flux because
it's like four teams with two

1581
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,840
losses, and this is a huge one
on Saturday.

1582
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,480
So no team in the Big 12
controls their own destiny.

1583
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:17,360
I, I will say the message that
we're getting from the committee

1584
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:22,720
at this point is that, you know,
four teams from SEC or, or Big

1585
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,840
10 or BN before 2 teams from the
Big 12.

1586
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,520
That that's kind of the message.
That's kind of the message we're

1587
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,360
getting right now, which is kind
of, it's kind of wild, but it's,

1588
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,800
that's kind of where we are in
the process here.

1589
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,080
We'll see how it plays out over
the next couple weeks.

1590
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:44,520
But for this one, I'm rolling
with Iowa State here.

1591
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:49,320
I think 3 at home isn't enough.
If that was at 5 1/2, I'd

1592
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,200
probably still take it.
I think this is going to be

1593
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,040
about a touchdown victory here
for the the Cyclones.

1594
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,400
All right.
Are you ready to hear the

1595
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,080
scenarios, Bron?
Yeah.

1596
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,200
So watching Saturday, so if
everybody wins Arizona State,

1597
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,040
BYU, Iowa State, Colorado,
Arizona State, Iowa State in the

1598
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:13,160
championship game, if exactly 2
of that group win, the two

1599
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,480
winners will meet in the Big 12
championship game.

1600
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,840
OK, Yep, that makes sense.
Yep, that makes sense.

1601
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,760
So you've ruled, you've ruled
out the everybody wins or only

1602
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,320
two wins.
Now give me the middle.

1603
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:25,960
The middle.
Is a shit ton.

1604
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,960
Arizona State, BYU and Iowa
State win and Colorado takes the

1605
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,000
loss.
Arizona State, Iowa State,

1606
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:38,600
Arizona State BYU.
Colorado win, Iowa State loses.

1607
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:45,560
Arizona State, BYU BYU Iowa
State, Colorado win Arizona

1608
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,840
State loses.
Iowa State, BYU.

1609
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:52,240
All right, here we go.
Last one.

1610
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,960
Arizona State, Iowa State,
Colorado wins and BYU loses.

1611
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:05,040
Could be either Colorado or Iowa
State or Colorado, Arizona

1612
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,760
State.
So they are really pulling for a

1613
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,040
BYU loss and everybody else to
win.

1614
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,160
Then it comes Texas Tech has to
beat West Virginia, Baylor has

1615
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,320
to beat Kansas, and Cincinnati
has to beat TCU.

1616
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,400
If that's the case, Colorado,
Iowa State.

1617
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,320
If Texas Tech wins and the other
two or one of the other two

1618
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,800
lose, then it's Colorado.
Arizona State, if I got that.

1619
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,560
No, hey.
By the way, I just want to let

1620
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,920
y'all know though.
But because we're going to a

1621
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,520
playoff, things aren't as
important anymore to lead into

1622
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,720
the season.
The whole fucking Big 12 begs to

1623
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,320
differ.
Dumbasses out there.

1624
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:51,800
Oh I'm supposed to pick a game?
Iowa State easily wins this one.

1625
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,920
Sheldon, what you got?
Yeah, I think, I think the Big

1626
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:59,360
12 cannibalize itself a little
bit.

1627
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,320
So I'm taking Gay State a big
win, big win last week for them.

1628
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,680
Iowa State I there's something
about him.

1629
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:07,680
I just don't trust him for
whatever reason.

1630
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,080
So I think I think K State wins
all.

1631
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,520
Right.
K State wins.

1632
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,960
OK, he's got K State win.
I'm trying to find the one over

1633
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:21,560
here where Iowa State loses Ron.
Tally's got Iowa State,

1634
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,320
Miranda's rod with Shelton,
Jason's riding with us Buddy

1635
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,560
all.
Right, so you want the Arizona,

1636
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,720
you want to see the Arizona
State BYU rematch, the Hail Mary

1637
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:34,080
that got caught at the three
yard line might explain why you

1638
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:42,320
don't get in zone on that play.
Oh man, last but not least

1639
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,320
would.
You who would have seen this at

1640
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:50,360
the beginning of the season?
With Jason to put possibility

1641
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,720
but who would have seen every
other game that we picked has.

1642
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,520
But I'm talking about this line,
Not, not, not the fucking game,

1643
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,120
but this fucking line.
No, no.

1644
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:07,000
Couldn't see that happening. 3
1/2 maybe, but not that big.

1645
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:11,480
But it's kind of funny Jason
comes over here and chooses this

1646
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:14,080
game.
A massive line and the only one

1647
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,560
that has nothing riding on it.
Nothing matters.

1648
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,640
Nothing fucking matters in this
game.

1649
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,280
So go ahead.
This is for pride of Florida,

1650
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:48,120
baby.
Hey folks, welcome back to

1651
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,400
another week of guitar licks and
gambling picks.

1652
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,920
It is rivalry week and I wanted
to send some good vibes down to

1653
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,520
Blacksburg for the Hoagies.
Hopefully they can finish the

1654
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,600
season off on a high note get
themselves bowl eligible.

1655
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,400
Unfortunately, Virginia does not
allow you to bet on in State

1656
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,760
Games, so therefore I'm going to
have to pick another game and

1657
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,840
for that I'm looking down to
Florida Tallahassee specifically

1658
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,480
for the match up between Florida
and Florida State that growing

1659
01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:19,920
up this used to be my favorite
game of the year.

1660
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,400
Both of these teams used to be
really good.

1661
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,800
They would usually be in the top
five and the winner often went

1662
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,280
to the national championship
game.

1663
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:32,160
None of that is true this year,
however, Florida has turned

1664
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,160
things around quite
significantly that a big win

1665
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,360
last week against Ole Miss
Florida State however, is

1666
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:41,080
wrapping up what has to be
called the season from hell.

1667
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:45,160
My guess is they want to end it
as quickly as possible and I

1668
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,880
think that's exactly what
Florida is going to do to them

1669
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,600
this weekend.
So therefore I am taking Florida

1670
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:59,120
-13 1/2 on the road against
Florida State, which of course

1671
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,640
means I get another chance to
play some Tom Petty.

1672
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:53,360
Oh yes, you
do.

1673
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,360
All right folks, let's go Gators
-13 1/2 and let's go Hokies.

1674
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,920
I'll see you all next week for
Championship week.

1675
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,920
All righty, he's going Gators
laying a bunch of points.

1676
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,160
Brian, what are you doing?
I'm doing the exact same damn

1677
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,760
thing because Florida State
cannot get out of their own way.

1678
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,560
Florida's really kind of looking
a lot better in the last month

1679
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,280
or so.
So I feel a little bit confident

1680
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,640
about that.
I think, you know, 17 points

1681
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,360
sounds about right for that
victory there.

1682
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,160
I think the Gators will take
care of business.

1683
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:32,680
I think 17's being nice and
generous because.

1684
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,320
Rivalry factors in there.
Rivalry factors in there, but I

1685
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,760
get you.
I think Florida State's quit

1686
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,560
all.
Right, Florida State beat

1687
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,800
Charleston Southern 34 to 3:00
last Saturday.

1688
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:49,000
Charleston Southern is was one
and nine, 1:00 and 9:00.

1689
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,280
You knew what the score was with
about two minutes left in the

1690
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,560
first half.
I sent it to you.

1691
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,120
Yeah, Yeah, do.
You see, Sheldon, it was three

1692
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,560
to nothing.
Yeah, Water State, it was three

1693
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:06,320
to nothing.
Gators by at least 28.

1694
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,000
I do, I do think Florida State
will come out more motivated

1695
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,320
than they have been in previous
games, but I just, I don't think

1696
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,240
they stand even remotely any
sort of chance.

1697
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,240
I think I think Florida's a lot
better than people think.

1698
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,000
You know, they've, I obviously
feel like neighbour has been the

1699
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,320
subject of much criticism, but
you know, he's done a really

1700
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,440
good job turning that chip
around, keeping things afloat.

1701
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,360
They've got a couple of really
big wins these past two weeks.

1702
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,120
So I think Florida State or
Florida, excuse me, rolls

1703
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,920
easily.
Yeah, I mean, really good effort

1704
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,160
to keep that, that ship going
because, you know, with some of

1705
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,440
the expectations attached to
Florida just being Florida and

1706
01:40:40,440 --> 01:40:42,280
kind of the way that season
started off, they could have

1707
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:46,720
easily just kind of, you know,
checked out mid to late October

1708
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,920
and they didn't do that.
So kudos to them.

1709
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,120
Tally's riding with you with us
as well.

1710
01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:54,800
So is Miranda, and obviously we
know what Jason's doing.

1711
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:59,440
So across the board here, taking
Florida, is this the kiss of

1712
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:01,200
death?
I mean, that's what that's three

1713
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,040
that we've 3.
Put the big board up there.

1714
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,560
You always have it ready.
Put the big board up there.

1715
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,640
So three across the board we've
got.

1716
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,680
Two islands.
Yeah, two islands and then we

1717
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:16,960
got the yeah 4/2 with the Iowa
State, K State.

1718
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,480
If you bet with us this week,
you pretty much bet with

1719
01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:23,080
everybody.
We all, we're all going to

1720
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,240
suffer the same fate one way or
the other.

1721
01:41:25,480 --> 01:41:27,360
And I think these, you know,
like we said, most of these

1722
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,640
games have some stakes attached
to them, except for the last

1723
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,400
one.
And the last was just a, a fun

1724
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,120
one to to look at.
You got a, you got a weird line

1725
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:38,000
in a rivalry game, but you got a
team that, you know, in Florida

1726
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,080
that's been playing a lot better
and you got a team in Florida

1727
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,760
State that's basically been
checked out since the middle of

1728
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:43,720
October.
So it's.

1729
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:45,920
True.
It's going to be kind of weird

1730
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,960
to see where that one goes, but
it's, it's a, it's a fun slate

1731
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,480
this weekend, I think.
I mean, it's always awesome to

1732
01:41:51,480 --> 01:41:54,240
have Jason pull out the
Telecaster and play some.

1733
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,760
Yeah, yeah.
We, we hadn't got that all year.

1734
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,680
We wouldn't, you know, mostly.
And you know what we found out,

1735
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:00,520
though?
What's that?

1736
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,360
You.
Can play the Telecaster and

1737
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,200
record it for the live stream.
It is not.

1738
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,920
It sounds great.
Yeah, Kelly sounds great, Jason.

1739
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,400
Yeah, keep that.
Shut up, y'all got anything else

1740
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:17,640
y'all want to hit before we wrap
this up and head into the head

1741
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,920
into the most consumed alcohol
day of the year?

1742
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,960
Yeah, Wednesday, guys.
So it's, and I, you know, I

1743
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,080
don't know if it's still this
way, but when, when me and

1744
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:33,400
Curtis were coming up, the
Wednesday before Thanksgiving

1745
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:37,600
was like one of those like just
fun, fun nights.

1746
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,120
You always ended up like waking
up to a hangover, whether you,

1747
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,840
whether it's like high school
or, or or college, coming home

1748
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,360
to visit, you wake up with a
hangover.

1749
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,680
You got, you know, smell the
food starting to cook.

1750
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:52,040
You got to go down there and
like nurse your hangover while

1751
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:54,440
you're helping out with food and
getting the house ready for

1752
01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:57,080
folks to come over.
So it's, it's, it's a fun day.

1753
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:01,520
I hope everybody consumes
responsibly tomorrow and, and

1754
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,400
Thursday if they, they plan on
partaking with families.

1755
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,840
So just want to say happy
Thanksgiving to everybody out

1756
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,760
there and we're going to see if
the Hoagies can can get both

1757
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,160
eligible this Saturday.
Sheldon.

1758
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,560
Go Hokies.
Go Hokies.

1759
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,720
Yeah, everybody.
Talk about this real quick.

1760
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,120
Do we want to talk before we
wrap it up?

1761
01:43:23,480 --> 01:43:26,240
Matt Brown got fired today but
he gets to coach against NZS 8

1762
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,280
and he gets to coach the ball.
We don't get to coach ball game.

1763
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,440
Probably not, no.
I I think they left that

1764
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:34,520
undetermined, but more than
likely no.

1765
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,040
I mean.
It's not a shocker.

1766
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:41,000
I mean, it's surprised it didn't
happen a couple years ago.

1767
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,240
It's surprising it didn't happen
a couple years ago.

1768
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,800
It's surprising that it happened
mid season after they rolled

1769
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,040
into the season with, you know,
sticking with them.

1770
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,400
I thought they if they started
the season with them, they were

1771
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:52,840
going to end with the season
with them.

1772
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,120
All things considered.
There I mean it.

1773
01:43:56,240 --> 01:44:00,920
It's not quite the, you know,
the graceful transfer of of

1774
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:05,000
power here.
You know, Mac, you know, for

1775
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:09,000
the, yeah, all the shit that I
think we've given Mack and we've

1776
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,560
given Mack a bunch of shit.
I mean, he didn't have to come

1777
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,560
back to UNC and give this thing
a go.

1778
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:19,000
So, you know, kudos for the
effort there.

1779
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,760
But it'll it'll be nice having
some of that that recruiting not

1780
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,040
in our backyard again.
We'll see what, what UNC, you

1781
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,120
know, pulls out of their ass in
terms of their next head

1782
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,560
coaching hire here.
But they're kind of one of the

1783
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:39,840
one of the 1st, you know, P4
teams out the gate looking for

1784
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,240
a, for a head coach here rolling
in the offseason.

1785
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:47,080
So they have a, you know, pretty
good position to be in from that

1786
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:48,560
perspective.
Yep.

1787
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,840
And the only thing, let me tell
you, the first thing I did when

1788
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:56,200
they I saw you was fired, I went
to the UNC coaching page.

1789
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:58,480
Is anybody worth a shit here
that we can hire?

1790
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:04,000
That's all I did that is TVD.
Curtis said Mack Brown,

1791
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,120
consultant to the head coach.
He's never been a she's been

1792
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,600
never been that shitty of your
game manager could tell price

1793
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,360
somewhat.
I was also looking position

1794
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,280
coaches too.
It's just what I'm doing.

1795
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,120
Oh man, interesting, interesting
put that up right there.

1796
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:23,480
That would be very interesting.
All right hour 46 in the book.

1797
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:27,480
We appreciate y'all watching
everybody have a happy save

1798
01:45:27,480 --> 01:45:30,000
Thanksgiving.
If you drink, call an Uber, call

1799
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,680
a friend.
Don't do that bullshit.

1800
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,360
We want y'all listening here
next week.

1801
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,880
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1802
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1821
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1822
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1823
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