Week Fourteen

1:00 The. And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast along with my partners, Brian Siegler, Shelton Moss. I am Curtis Wilson, and we are part of the College Huddled Podcast Network.

1:59 And this episode, as always, is brought to you by the Counts Family Pharmacy Three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg. Your friendly No neighborhood pharmacy. Go see Jeremy Shelton sliding in at the last possible second. What happened in the game? Pick a fat L. Close L Oh, fat L. Close L, but it sucked. Oh good, that's the worst in the after game specials. Yeah, what'd you say? So the worst of the afternoon specials. The worst of the afternoon specials. Well, gentlemen, welcome to Thanksgiving Week 2024. Also should be known, also known on this podcast as Hate Week because obviously Saturday night 8:00 will be UVA versus our beloved Hokies.

2:59 Yep, I'm drinking tonight, y'all. So the loop's not going to be as sealed. Not going crazy like I will in about 3 weeks, but let's just say it's happening tonight. As we were, as we were. Josh, is this a reference to us or the team? Or Saturday night, whichever 1 you want to count. Hey, gentlemen, you were in person, so we look forward to your insight. Well, first of all, did you have a good time regardless of outcome? I did have a good time. I was the game with one of my Duke buddies and one of one of his Vt buddies. So we had a good time. I saw some of the Sun's people, some of my former Charlotte peeps.

3:41 So it was a good time, man. I'm just, you know, it was good to kind of just be be with my friends and everything. Like, I didn't really have super high expectations and turns out that those expectations were justified. So yeah, I mean, the practical feeling, that's what it is. I'm just, I'm just here to see see my friends and enjoy night out watching football. And I got that so. All right. Well, glad to hear you had a good time, regardless of outcome of the game. Obviously you sent us a few texts while you're in there about some stuff going on and everything. So that should not be put on this Oh. No, no, no, no. That is, that is behind lock and. Key Hey, there's Wade has that Wi-Fi though they can you can get those. Texts out with regularity. There's a statement #1 Shelton got not only one text out, Shelton got about 7:00 or 8:00 texts out during the course of the game because of good Wi-Fi.

4:31 That's another thing to bitch about, but let's get into it. We are going to know the enemy. We're going to look a little bit at UVA. We're going to always, as always, go big screeners. Some other news and notes as well. Some things breaking. Obviously, I want to look at the playoff rankings, but we got to start with what did take place. What Shelton is listed list what Shelton witnessed in living color, live and alive Saturday night. A 3128 loss to Duke, another late November loss toward the Carolina team by 1 score. And if you're keeping record at home, we are. Brent Pry is now 1 and. 12, Third, 12/13/12.

5:16 One and 1213 games, Brian, that have been decided by 1 score in his tenure here. That is right now right at 1/3 of the games he's played one and 12 and it sucks. So I'm not even going to be beat around the Bush. I always like to say usually what went well first. I'm not in that mood tonight in y'all's opinion, Brian. Actually, Shelton, you want to start us off? You saw it and I'm sure you did some data dig in. What went bad Saturday night? Well, first and most obvious is just the explosive passing plays. I mean, it sounded like from what Price said in the post game, you know, they had some coverage busts, some safeties made bad reads on one of the I think the second touchdown by Duke or maybe no, it was the third, the third big passing play. They accepted the third touchdown before the end of the first half.

6:05 Dante Lovett just fell down. So I mean nothing you're going to do but just shake your head there. So I mean, yeah, that was really the game for jib because I don't think, I mean running wise, they averaged less than three guys per carry. I thought it was one of the better run performances for the Vt defense all season long, if not perhaps the best. So it was kind of disappointing from that perspective to just see how well they stopped the run. But they give so many chunk passing plays that it almost doesn't even matter. And you, you spot a team 14 points in the 1st 5 minutes the first quarter, yeah, you come back to like, that's hard to dig, that's hard to that's a hard hole to dig yourself out of. So and then third, I mean, third quarter, you know, Duke came out with a really good first, first drive to that half kind of gashed ET through the air and also with the run as well, you know, don't know what happened there, but I don't know, man, just you know, they were they were successful most of the time the defense was, but just just ungodly amounts of of big chunk passing plays really did them in. Yeah, the frustrating thing was just watching coverage, man, because that's something I feel like we've been not great at. But I mean, we we hadn't been giving up those big chunk plays like that all year.

7:15 So it was frustrating. And I know a couple, you know, you had, I think Lovett slipped on one. He slipped on another one of those, a touchdown one that set up a touchdown like Shelton was saying, just before the half. And then he had a big busted coverage on that first one where it looked like most Phillips was kind of eyes in the backfield and next thing you know, you know guys 10 yards behind him. So it was just frustrating to watch those big plays kind of happened because again, if you take away those big plays, it's a it's a completely different game. But that's why you got to, you got to be there and make the play. Yeah, it's here you go. This was early in the game. It was 5 defensive plays. They scored 14 points. That's just unbelievable.

7:59 I'll say this and we'll, we'll, we'll probably touch into this a little bit more. The bad was into the game for me. Hey, I did not get to watch the second-half. We were visiting family. I had it at my sister's house. My mother didn't have it. So I'm between texting the shit out of these guys along with Allie and other people and watching Gamecast, trying to figure out what's going on. 144 left, the fumble happens. We get the ball great. We got 3 timeouts. You can run your whole offense because you have timeouts in the bag and we just chunked the ball. Let's just throw it. Let's just throw it like, let's try. No semblance of attempting to drive the ball. We're down three.

8:43 You don't need a touchdown. You do not need 84 yards. You need at best, I'm going to say 55 because of John Loves Lake, 55 yards. That could easily be a couple plays. And I sit here and I'm frustrated as hell because that's not the first time it's happened. Happened against Vandy late in the game, happened against Rutgers late in the game. So remember those things. It's this consistently at the end of the game we're down and it's like literally it's like playing a 7 year old on Madden or college football and you get them down to a down late. What do they do?

9:23 They run everything deep. All you got to do is play quarters or play covers for you'll pick the ball off. I don't fucking get it. I'm not paid $1,000,000 and I could sit here and tell you 144 left. Heck, 1 little toss out the Tooting, try to get the edge, maybe he sails in. Busted 20 yard run, run a screen run. Something quick to get the ball in somebody's hands quick and we didn't. Well, another thing we, we, when you talk about that, we close the first half with a couple situations where that bit us in the ass as well. You know, you get in the red zone, was it under 5 minutes, seven step drop, you get sacked, another seven step drop, you get a fumble.

10:06 Now all of a sudden, you know they're in business. They go down, they take the lead there and, and then, you know, you end up getting the ball. Sorry, they, they, they, we got the ball back, had what, 6 seconds on the on the clock and another seven step drop instead of just running a quick out to try to get love a chance to, to kick a field goal there. So that sequence to close the first half was mind boggling to me. You know, we had a bunch of opportunities where we could have really either taken a big lead or at least got the lead back there at the end and just kind of, you know, pissed down our leg a lot with the play calling and and the execution there.

10:51 Shown anything else went bad. I know you said you had something, I told you put it in the chamber, but I'm assuming that was going to be in the bad category. Did you, did you still have that? Well, that's more of a Brent Price at which we can talk about if we get into the coaching discourse. But yeah, I mean, I don't know, I I didn't think I thought the offense moved the ball pretty well actually. So I don't really have too many gripes for the offense other than maybe how that that last first first half drive ended, you know, where they got down, ran the ball, took a time out in the second down, I think it was, and took a big sack. I understand what they were trying to do with, you know, maybe only no timeouts left second down. So obviously, you know, you got to take, you know, try taking a shot to the end zone, you get sacked, then you've got to pass again to kind of throw the ball away because you can't, you know, you can't have the ball clock running after that third down play. So it's like, yeah, I don't know, just kind of messed with drive.

11:45 I mean, I know they had some execution miscues on that one, but that just was kind of screwed up from the start. Hey, Robbie, I, I agree with you here 100%. But at the same time, at the same time, that's when your, your coordinator doesn't necessarily put an inexperienced quarterback in that situation, in that down in distance, in that location on the field. It's very true and I'm trying to get to it here with the fumble because that ball, that draft started right. We're at the Duke 14 yard line with 47 seconds left, the 14 yard line and and pop, he attempts to run the ball and he he loses a couple proc calls a timeout. That's fine, no issue with the time out right there because he gets hit behind the line.

12:34 People are going in, you bring them back. The issue was what you said, what you said and what Rodney made to point out too. They were as an experience, but it's at the 14 yard line. Why are you trying to run five and seven steps drop, trying to get people in the end zone, get the ball in somebody's hands, have two plays ready to go. And Brian, I know you guys did this at Sydney at times where y'all call a time out and you'd have two plays. Hey, we're going hurry up as soon as we hit the first one. We're going right to this one regardless. Again, I'm not getting paid $1,000,000 When he comes out of that time out, it should have been 2 plays in case we get tackled inbounds, we can make a quick snap and we can make the decision. But instead it's a seven step drop, it's a sack. Then it happens again.

13:19 We're at the 25 at that point in time too. So you sit here and again, it's mismanagement of the game because at the 25 yard line through the math, 40 yard field goal, John Love tie ball game, right? Yeah, or or. Down one point at halftime. One point at halftime. Yeah, so I, I, I pulled it up the so that, that second down play, they ran the ball and 2nd down to yard loss called a timeout. They wanted to run a screen pass, but it got blown up so quickly because someone I think, I think it was Kane and misses block that got blown up right away. So you're back to the 27 and then there's 28 seconds left and counting and then you get blown up.

14:00 So I mean, maybe they should have called. Well, actually, no, look at it, man. I don't I don't think pop had a chance, honestly. I just. Well, the whole piece is well, you, you, you mentioned they, they blow up the screen pass then then what? You've got to basically go in Shelton to say, hey, listen, it's the screen is not there on 2nd and 12. Just kill the ball at the feet. Just kill the ball at somebody's feet. We'll go third down. It's the whole now try to find the next play. Well, likely that's the read. And if they blew that up on a screen, Brian, you know, from playing offensive line all these years and we can talk about it. Some people put in here the offensive line playing like shit. Not the whole game.

14:42 Not the whole game. It was a very up and down performance. But but Brian, that screenplay he's talking about, yeah, you know that basically, you know from playing, if that screen does not work and it's not there, you cannot hold the ball. It should have been if the screens not there, what do I do? Throw it at somebody's fucking feet foot. At least at that point, even if they call intentional grounding, it's probably a three to four yard loss. And obviously too it would be the clock would stop and either you could do the 10 second runoff which might have been if I saw that situation. Yeah, I mean, it was it was it was a common to your areas.

15:24 And like I said, it was it was a combination in my opinion of maybe bad situational plus again, bad execution, inexperience from popping that type of situation. So there's just a lot of factors at play there that really kind of, you know, helped helped us screw the pooch. And that's very important situation in my opinion, because you went from a, a, a, a spot where the drive before, if you could have finished that you're, you know, you really fully recaptured the momentum after a disastrous 1st 5 plays on defense. Then you let them go back and take the lead. And then, you know, now you now you're back again where you can make it a one point game.

16:04 You don't do it. You end up getting the ball back and, and you kind of do the same thing again there instead of, you know, trying to get a quick play that might give you a chance to, to, to, to at least get one more field goal attempt there to, to close out the half. So to me it was just a a bad sequence, those final really 3 possessions of the half for the Hokies on offense. And effectively, those type things have been the undoing all year of the Hokies. Hokies fall to 5:00 and 6:00 on the season. And you know, it stinks. That's the bad it stinks. I do want to point out that there were a couple good moments or not good moments, but good individual performances in this game And, and I'm going to call out the first.

16:49 We've called his name a couple times for making errors, but overall with Pop Watson, I was, I actually felt good because he looked to be making quick reads. You saw the elusiveness from him and everybody can say well he didn't look great and lead us to a win. He played well enough to lead us to a win if he had been put in a couple more right situations. Yeah, I mean we got a, you know, I think when we look at the performances we got also mention Ollie Jennings coming out party for 20/24. It it took a while to get there, but a, you know, we finally got a big performance from Ollie Jennings this year. So good to see that and and really showed a burst that I don't really think we've seen for most of the most of the season, especially on that that touchdown where he kind of took it, got up the alley and then kind of finished it running over the the tackler there near the end zone. About you showing anybody you felt good about or you want to give a kudos to, I mean.

18:00 We saw a little bit of Devin Elvis at Safety Pride. Pride was complementary of them. So I guess that'd be that'd be one. And again, I mean obviously the entire D line I thought was great and run defense so you know cuz. Yeah, I mean the the the the defensive line and the defense in general from a, you know, running run stopping situation was was, you know, top notch all game. They they had a little bit of a rough, rough drive there towards the end. They finally, you know, let a couple runs get through there, but for the most part, anytime they tried to run, you know, there, there wasn't really a whole lot to be seen in terms of extra yardage there. So kudos to them. It's just it's it's it's frustrating that again, like we're we're seeing this team get beat in different ways every week. It's like we can't just circle this is the problem. This here is the problem because it's something new every week. And and that then that says something that probably, you know, hopefully a week and a night we're discussing because when you can't pinpoint one problem, it probably means it's multiple people and multiple problems as we're discussing. So, you know, we'll, we'll see what happens basically over the next couple weeks.

19:17 I want to give a shout out to APR Did not report a sack that 1 1/2 tackles for loss, but you could see him coming off the edge. They were ready for him and they still could not stop the pressure he created. He got absolutely screwed out of not being a finalist for the Lombardi award. Absolutely screwed in my opinion. Screwed. If y'all didn't see that he was not named a finalist. It's a bunch of bullshit. And somehow who else? Somebody else got left off the Thorpe Oh Colorado guy Travis Hunter got left off the Fort today. Finalist explain that one. Anybody y'all got any explanations for either one of those guys?

20:00 I mean, statistically he's the best corner in the country and, you know, probably a top 10 or 15 wide receiver. And he did not get. But you know, whatever, fuck us, right? That's pretty much it right now. All right, let's keep on going. Anything y'all weren't prepared for like. Bombs, I mean, I wasn't prepared for them to do have big plays in the passing game. I was not prepared for that. I I knew there was potential there, but we had been pretty sound about not allowing those the the big long ones all year, even when, when those are busted, usually it was kind of underneath and there was a missed tackle or over over pursued or, you know, something like that that was causing the play itself to happen.

20:55 Not necessarily, you know, just getting, getting beat deep slipping, things like that. We hadn't had a ton of those all year. So it was really disappointing that for that to happen in this game. Showing anything you weren't. Yeah, I, I, I was, I mean, same with Bryan. Obviously the big passing plays because it's not exactly Duke's strong suit, but I was a little surprised pleasantly with how well the offense moved the ball considering the circumstances. I mean, you got down to pop Watson, you know, your third and quarterback. I thought he he was looking pretty good on some of those RPO slants, like he could hit them and and Malik for, for Duke was missing. Like, I mean, he could barely hit those, those ways. And I know we had a few, a few good deep balls and he's good throwing deep balls, but in those intermediate range, I, I didn't think he was very accurate. Pop looked really good on some of those intermediate passes. So I was, I was very pleasantly surprised by that. Yeah, this, this is another one.

21:51 My only thought with that is that, you know, you go from Schlee to Pop Watson and maybe some of those snaps that you were going to get a Aurora guy in a wide receiver. Now you may keep your veterans in a little bit more because you're working with a raw and inexperienced quarterback though. So that's my only guess there. Anybody that knows different can feel free to chime in there, but that's my guess. Yeah, there's nobody knows what did didn't happen that I was prepared for. It's it's it's it's tough for me. I go to probably I wasn't prepared to see Basil Tune play the way he played because him coming off the injury he at times look like the basal. We know the cuts, the burst he got over 1000 which kudos to him on that.

22:49 I'm so glad he got 1000 yards first since Filio Harvard back in 2020 during the COVID season 1 a lot that you know no one actually saw in Lane Stadium which sucks but he deserved it from getting basically COVID screwing and probably out of AD one offer last year. The way things broke probably more earlier in the season where he could have had it then, but I was pleasantly surprised that he looked as good as he did. And I also loved his statement today. I don't know if you saw it in the presser about I'm here to play, I'm going to go ahead and say something. Running backs, every NFL coach, wherever he was, he just went up 32 spots on their boards wherever he was.

23:35 Because if you ever hear about like NFL, I'm a Niners fan, they always talk about it. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan, You have to love football to be here. You can't love money, you can't love hype. You can't love success. You have to love the actual game. When I heard him say that, there's a bunch of people saying where is he? Move him up the next round, why he loves the game. We're going to see him Saturday one last time in Lane Stadium. All righty, to the last point here, we always hit then what can we do better moving forward? Is this where you wanted to to throw the bomb in there? Shelton? What can we do better moving forward because saw how much coach discord we're going to get tonight.

24:19 I mean, win close games, I guess I don't, I don't really know what what what other solution there is like the teams play, you know, mostly pretty well. I mean, they put themselves in good spots and they just can't get out of the hump. So I was researching this last night because I saw a stat that was somewhat related to it. So last 20 years this year Virginia Tech has a point differential of plus 5.7 against FBS team. So they're they're weighing their games on average by 5.7 points against the FBS. That is the second highest point differential for a team with a losing record in the last 20 years. Only other team with a higher point differential with a losing record was Georgia back in 2010. So just kind of put some perspective to you just how much this team has underperformed.

25:06 And I know, you know, we talk a lot about the coaching and you know, where we've kind of come up short and the coordinators and so forth. But like, I don't think the play in the field has been as bad as people think. I just think the the complete and utter inability to to capitalize in those crunch situations and just eventually, you know, find your way on top of a close game. It's just something that's been really unprecedented. I mean, we've we've seen the data like probably has the worst record in once we're games for any coach the last 20 years with at least 10 games. So I just, I don't know, I mean, I'm kind of out of venture at this point, honestly. Like just win, find a way to win plus game. Like there's really nothing else that needs to be said. Yeah, you've lost six games by a combined 34 points.

25:46 That's I mean that that that's what it is. You know, you're talking about that's that's less. You're not. Getting blown out. That's less than a touchdown per game. Only one of them has been A2 score situation, all the other ones have been one score contest so. And that was a one score contest. For how long? Most of the damn game game. So I mean it, it's, it's one of those so close, but so fucking far away situations of like you're, you're there to you're, you're putting yourself in a position where you could be considered a good team, but you are not closing the deal with any sort of regularity. When, when things are tight, when things get tough, when, when teams put pressure on you in the final two minutes of a game, when teams put pressure on you in the final quarter of a game, you've done a good job of counter punching. When, when teams come out quick, you, you've had an answer. When teams have hit you with that inevitable third quarter debacle, you've had an answer, but you haven't been able to close the deal when it mattered, and that's a problem. Yeah, put what Robbie just said up there, you have to learn how to win now and close the games.

27:09 And the question now goes, and this is, I know we've said it a lot and people in there put up gems as well because it's it goes back to this. The question is, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to a head coach because if we talk about the way the talents changed on the field in the last three years, the the also the, the analysis and the reviewing of the talent in the portal and the guys they're bringing in from, you know, the recruiting ranks in high school. This staff's done that right? You want to argue with me all you want. Colin Schley didn't look out of place. Pop Watson didn't look out of place. Drones, when he has been healthy, has looked fine. Facial tootin looked good.

27:53 Think of some of the younger offensive lineman who are working their way and they've looked good. That's what's irritating. That's what's irritating more than anything. Because in 2021, the games we lost, I could point and say we're not as talented here. We're not as talented here. And and if you ask me what's more frustrating, well, this is more frustrating than that because at least there I could say we just don't have the horses to keep up. Now I get to sit here and say we have the horses, we can play with any fucking body in the country and we've seen that. We just ain't pressing the right buttons. Yeah. I mean, you, you played, you played with Miami, you played with Clemson. And then you kind of play down to a Duke, you play down to a Syracuse.

28:42 And I mean, I understand you're playing with backup quarterbacks in both of those games, but those are games you needed to have to to put a stamp on the season and feel pretty good about it, especially the way you started off with the Vanderbilt and the Rutgers loss. We needed to win those games. Perception wise. You need to show that you can close the deal against middling ACC competitions regardless of whether you got your starting quarterback in there or not, because you put yourself in position Despite that. To win those games, you got to win them. Sean, One last thing to close out this segment. I mean, I don't know, I, I kind of talked about it last week for the key play, you know, it's just, it's been a pretty average step so far. I feel like I don't think it's been bad. I don't think it's been great either. You know, I don't think the Sky's falling, but I just, I think one of the things that makes it hard to sort of analyze what the problem is, is that I think the, the issues with this team are so vague and amorphous and, and poorly defined that I don't really know exactly where to start. Like I don't know who to scapegoat statistically. Is it the offensive defense?

29:52 I don't know. Could it be some of the assistants? Maybe. But like, what's, I mean, like what's the main issue? I just don't know if there's one thing you can put in. So like we are terrible at that. And if we fix that, then boom, we're good. It's like, it's kind of like collectively every, everybody's just been average and I don't know how you fix average. Yeah. And I, I, I think I'll, I'll tell this, I'll, I'll say this. I think, I think we're, we're, we're seeing that amorphous situation is coming from just the general inexperience of the people that are making the high level decisions for the program right now. And that's why you're seeing different things, different weeks because that that inexperience, I think is starting to stack up as we get into, we get expectations attached to us.

30:39 We get these situations where we're in these tight contest, you know, these these coordinators haven't seen these situations with enough frequency when it's their decision that is going to make or break that moment potentially it and it's like it's it's a combination of of not seeing that, but also, I think it at times either not understanding the strengths and weaknesses in a given moment of your team and not leaning on the strengths that you have in your running game at key moments in the game and thinking, I need yards, I'm just going to drop back and and and see what happens here. I think sometimes, you know, on offense, Bowen sometimes overthinks and then I think sometimes on defense you get a little bit of that that we do, we do mindset and and that can burn you in the end as well. I'm going to just close it with this right here. So let's let's talk about the the poll we put out there. Oh yeah.

31:46 All right, so we put out a poll. We're basically saying, you know what is happening in the season we got move on from Brent Pry, move on from your OC and DC. You know, it could be either, could be either, or it could be one of the other, could be both or something else. And we put that out there. So 75% of you think that one or both of the coordinators need to go. The other 25% were basically a combination of either move on from pry or essentially all the other statements were basically dumped the entire athletic department down the toilet and start over from scratch.

32:27 So some, some variation of fire wit, which is going to have a trickle down effect through football, right? So 75% are just on the coordinator wagon. Another 25% are basically some some version of moving on from Brent Prize. So that's kind of the rundown of, you know, over 700 folks that that that that clicked on that that poll there. So do with that what you will. Well, do with that, which you will and you know, I think I think it's where as I was talking to a family member on a Saturday, they pay attention a little bit to football. Not crazy, but I was like him as that marketing, the guy who glad hands people who's going to talk to everybody at the party got it down pat him as a face. I know some people get tired of the coach stick. I still think his stick's better than Fuente because he will a lot of times, and we've heard this from day one, he a lot of times will say we as coaches specifically on certain points. If you all remember Brian, we sat here, I believe a little bit drunk a couple years ago and said Fuente will never ever. He always says wee, wee, wee.

33:38 Say execution one more time, motherfucker. Who? Would never say coaches. That is the one. It's still a breath of fresh. I know some pisses, some people awful. What can you do? And it's like, well, at least he's admitting that as a coaching staff, they have to be better. He's not sitting here saying we, we, what the fuck's we? Is we all of us, the whole fucking team? The Royal we. So there we go. All right, so let's take a quick little break here. What I'm stepping on. And as always, we are brought to you by the Count Family Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy, 301 S Main St. in Blacksburg. And obviously it is hate week.

34:20 This week we do not have a guest, so we are going to be getting into some of the UVA Cavaliers players here. Obviously they are currently led by Tony Elliott, also in his third season. A significantly bigger or win or significantly worse win loss record than Brent Prockey's also coming in five and six. They're five and six, right? I didn't. I didn't fucking make that up in my head for. That we're we're both playing for bowl eligibility. The story of the Commonwealth Cup over the last 10 years. 10 plus man, going back to the end of end of beamer there. 2012, Oh no, 10 years, 2014, man, that was one of those years. But we are going to talk about them tonight. And obviously, Brian, I believe that you wanted to start on the defensive side of the ball, a little bit behind their defensive setup, defensive scheme. Yeah, yeah.

35:21 I mean, this is a a multiple formation kind of they you have a three, four base, but they'll run multiple fronts. You know, you'll see them come out of four two, you'll see them come out of 3433 stack. They'll run a lot of different, different looks at you different fronts. So expect that, you know, they've got their hybrid outside linebacker DN and then they got a hybrid kind of safety linebacker there. So they can kind of move guys around, give you a little bit of a different look depending on how they want to attack you. So expect that it's going to be very interesting to, you know, prepare for that from an offensive line standpoint with having different fronts pretty regularly. So we'll see if they come out and stick with mostly a 3A3 man front or if they kind of mix in, you know, four man with with any regularity.

36:13 Yep. And if y'all are wondering, they're LED. That's led by John Rozinski. He's the guy that came over from Air Force with them and as far as it goes for this year, they're ranked well in the bottom half. Shelton, if you have that number, I have a very big number here I want to give out. They give up on average 5 point yarn yards per play. I do not have where they rank, but Shelton, if you've got that or any info you want to lay on about their defense from a statistical perspective before we look at the players. Yeah, I'm looking it up right here. I've got so 400, four, 119 yards per game averages their average for FBS opponents, and that also translate to six yards per play against FBS, which ranks 91st in the country.

37:03 So not good. That's that's low, low, low. So Brian, let's talk about a couple of the players Shelter, you got any all these players just chime in when you want to my man. Let's talk about kind of the guy you threw on here. We'll talk about Jonas Sanker. The six foot 293 LB safety three star when he came out, actually went right from hometown there, went to the Covenant School down in Charlottesville. And so far this season, you know, we're taking a look at his, you know, statistics. He is leading the team and not only solo tackles, but also total tackles at 89. And Brian, just kind of looking at real quick what you see, what do you like from Sanker?

37:49 Yeah, I mean, he's a, he's a guy that has really good activity as a run defender coming from that, you know, back part of the formation there, really good instincts, good tackler. You know, probably not the fastest kid that you'll see from the secondary perspective, but he can still make cover, good ground there. Not really great in coverage, really just an average coverage. But in terms of run stopping from a safety position position, he does a really good job with that. Showing anything on Sanker grade wise, data wise, statistics wise you like or are interested?

38:30 No, I can. I'll give you a second look at that. I can circle back all. Right. We'll circle back on Sanker there. The other guy I wanted to talk about was a guy a lot of people thought that might be in Blacksburg after after he when he came out, which in the 2023 passes. Cam Robinson 4 star out of Tappahannock just down the just down 360 here E heading towards the coast. Essex High School, pretty big time recruit when he came out a top ten player in the state and obviously he's already getting it done, you know, you know, just in his second year there. Brian, what do you like about him? Maybe some weaknesses?

39:17 Yeah, I mean, he's really kind of settled in really quick at the mic position for for UVA really kind of came in and and and out the gate was a was a difference maker on that linebacker unit and continues to be. He's been banged up the last last couple weeks here, so he hasn't seen as much action, but we'll see if he's going to be fully healthy this go. But it looks like he is at the top of the depth chart this week for the Cavaliers. So expect to get him in heavy doses. And I mean, he's a guy that's going to give you a lot of fits. Does a really good job against the run.

39:57 Yeah, really good athlete. Matches up well when he's in coverage responsibilities. Probably a little bit weaker in zone coverage than he is, you know, covering guys man to man, but. He's he's, he's probably the, to me at least, you know, looking top to bottom, probably the scariest player on their defense just because of what we do well and, and, and what he does well. Jill. You're on mute again, bud. Can y'all hear me? Yep, we got you. One moment. Can you hear us? I got you.

40:39 I can hear you now. I can hear you now, Sean. You got anything right now? Yeah, just looking at some of UV as advanced sets in the in the advanced sets column, a lot of red, which is bad. You don't want you don't want red 102nd offensive success rate, 119 drop back success rate. So their passing game's been, you know, been extremely inefficient and then you know, defense 58th. So a little bit better there, but they just haven't really converted drives. But that's been a big sore spot for them. Third down success pretty bad 200 and 3rd and 3rd and 4th down conversion rate. So across the board, man, it's been it's been a rough year for the Wahoos.

41:20 It's not a lot to really look at positively if you're a UVA fan all. Right, except they're five and six. Somehow that's the only positive they have is they're fucking 5:00 and 6:00. Look at the front half of their schedule. Homie Oh it was awful. I mean, we haven't had anything to write home about, but the front half of their schedule was dog shit and we looked at it and were like get to the back half of the schedule and you will be lucky to see one more. They got it. They. Got it. Which completely shocked me real quick about the importance of Cam Robinson here, because even though they ranked way, way down, as Shelton mentioned in the total defense in that yard per play, their run defense is middle of the pack. So Cam Robinson playing Saturday is probably a huge key to that because they ranked 57th in the country when it comes to that. So definitely going to be key if he goes Saturday night. Brian, you had one more guy you wanted to talk about. Who was that?

42:20 Yeah, that's our defensive end, Cam Butler. You know, just looking at what we do poorly, we struggle at times to protect the the passer, especially when you potentially might have Pop Watson in there at quarterback. Somebody with that inexperience, you know, we saw that on a couple times against Duke become a big problem. So we're going to need some consistent offensive line play when when we pair that with, you know, potentially starting our third string quarterback in this game. So we'll see if Schlee can go with the, you know, concussion. We know that that Kyron's probably going to be missing this game as well. So we're probably going to be counted on at least our second, if not our third string quarterback here. So it's going to be important to protect that person. And you know, Cam Butler does not not he's not an excellent rusher, but he is a guy that is consistent and has a motor. So we've got to be consistent with our with our protection throughout the game.

43:20 And obviously going back to the Duke game, probably a night that whole offensive line wants to remember giving up seven sacks, 14 1/2 tackles for loss. So something not good. And you know, like, you know, Shelton said they're about their drop back success rate, not that good. So there is going to be some opportunities there. But always keep an eye on that. Cam Butler, Shelton, anything else before we jump over to the offensive side of the ball? Yeah, I did look up the numbers for Yonah Sankar. There's safety. PFF is pretty average on him, maybe a little bit below average, but he does have 6 quarterback pressures this season, which is tied for ninth most among ACC defensive backs. So I don't know how often they bring them and pressure situations, but you know, he's done a decent job of getting there at least.

44:07 And then, you know, in coverage he's been targeted a decent mountain and you know, teams have had success against him. 3 touchdowns given up in coverage for PFF so you know they've been able to get to him. But yeah, I just think overall UVA for the most part has kind of struggled defensively, particularly in the secondary run. Demons has been OK overall pretty solid, but their secondary has been some some burnt toast this season. All righty. Let's hope we can take advantage of that on Saturday. Let's flip over to the offensive side of the ball that's led by Dez Kitchen Brown. What does he like to do on offense? It's a it's a wide zone offense. You know, he's been trying to get to it I think for a while. I think they're starting to have a little bit more success with the running game this year than they have necessarily. I think the last two years.

44:57 It it it's an offense that it's kind of predicated on being able to run the ball so they can set up some of those throws downfield that that is kind of their bread and butter when they do get into a rhythm is throwing the football down the field a little bit off of play action and things like that. So obviously LED, you know, Calandria quarterback, we've seen Musk get in there at from time to time. I think there's a little bit of a quarterback controversy kind of brewing there. I don't know how much to make of that just because you know, muskets out of eligibility beyond this year. So that's that's something to watch. We'll see how much of musket we see Saturday compared to Calandria.

45:41 But you know, when we look at Calandria, he's a guy that I I think is as as much as we want to give Kyron the the sophomore slump here. I mean, here's a guy that that's really hit the the sophomore wall very fucking hard this year. You know, when we looked at him playing last year, you, you saw a lot of like, you know, the, the ceiling was there. You can see what the ceiling looked like, You know, when he came, you know, came to throwing the ball down feel a lot, very average in those intermediate areas. But he was, he was driving the ball down feel pretty effectively. We haven't seen a whole lot of that success this year, success down the field much lower than last year.

46:25 And he's the guy that's going to he'll he'll put the ball in danger from time to time as well. So we're going to have some opportunities, again, just like we had against Duke, to get some picks here, turn those into some points. All right, anything on Calandria to write home about Shelton? Yeah, So apropos what Brian was saying, actually PFF grades him as the second worst quarterback on intermediate throws this season. He has been very inefficient there. And they don't they don't throw it a ton of intermediate. But yeah, he's he's trying a lot there. He's also been pressured I believe 152 times this season, which is fourth most among all Power 4 quarterbacks. So maybe that's gotten a little bit in his head. I'm sure that's probably impacted his performance to some degree. But you know, teams have a pretty easy time getting into them.

47:11 And you know, UVA typically in terms of their passing structure, they they disproportionately go behind line of scrimmage and short throws a little bit more. So you probably see that more so than, you know, deep shots just because they've been, they've been so ineffective and intermediate and deep throws. I wanted you to bring up what Josh brought up here just so everybody can kind of know that obviously if y'all are paying attention. Hey Josh, yes, first of all, their second leading rusher, Xavier Brown, he's out the rest of the season. So we will not see Xavier Brown, who has been averaging 6.1 for attempts. He was right under 500 yards for the year along with three total touchdowns.

47:52 Also 14.1 through the air. Co pace, Co pace, Kobe pace also hurt. They will not know a lot on him until the end of the year or excuse me, the end of the week. So not looking good there as well. And I know Brian, you, you kind of made a little point here. You wanted to mention him because he could potentially show up. Yeah, I mean, if he shows up, he's going to be the guy that that's going to have set the pace for them. He kind of has to in that sense because he is their leading guy. And if you're talking about going down, I believe Noah Vaughn, too, is going to be the next guy up. He is a sophomore and in seven games he has 30 carries. And you just kind of rubber stamp what I was saying earlier here, Robbie.

48:44 You know, knowing Kitchens a little bit more there, if the wide zone is not successful, they're going to struggle. Everything in the offense kind of builds off the success of that play. So if they're struggling there, it's going to be a trickle down effect. And we saw that against SMU. We saw it against some other teams as as well, so. Hey. Hey Shelton, your pressure rate thing is absolutely on par with how they do. Statistically, they are 132 of 133 and sacks allowed. They almost don't give up four sacks per game. So Shelton mentioned pressure rates. Not only are they getting pressure, teams are finishing them off as well when it comes to that. Couple more folks to talk about here, Bryant, I know that you wanted to hit up Malachi Fields, who obviously is their key guy when it comes to passing the ball. Shelton, I'll let you get the data up here, but just Ron, what are you seeing on the tape?

49:39 And then Shelton, if you get a chance, let's talk about some of where he's what he's good at. Yeah. I mean, he's their primary threat down the field, good at high pointing the ball, making catches in traffic. So he's going to be the guy that's going to be kind of the beginning and end of their big play potential. You know, there's some a couple other guys out there that have you've done some things here and there, but really it kind of starts and ends with what Malachi feels has been doing. Also to note, Trell Harris hasn't been available most of the year. Looks like he is going to be available. He's kind of a very yeah, specific use receiver kind of on the younger end there, but he is a guy that is a red zone threat. So, you know, keep an eye on him from that perspective, especially with him coming back.

50:28 There's a couple other guys, you know, like Andre Green and and Chris Tyree that are out there, but they haven't been the factors I think that Eva thought they were going to be this year. Poor Chris Tyree. Yeah, it it's, you know, talk about somebody that, yeah, at least Notre Dame was utilizing him as a as a gadget type player. Whether we're out of the backfield or at a true wide receiver spot, UVA really has not maximized his potential at all. It's really kind of beginning in with Malachi Fields from a wide receiver perspective. We got another guy that we'll talk about a little bit too that kind of supplements that. Yeah, but. Let's go back to Chris Tyree for a second because Chris Tyree at Notre Dame basically three years thousand plus rushing yards add another 400 in the past in three years also was a legit kick return specialist and everything just went this way.

51:23 And if y'all remember when he came out, Chris, when Chris Tyree came out, I mean, Chris Tyree was like was like a top 150 player that went to Notre Dame from Elsie Byrd down here in Richmond. And when he went to Notre Dame and you saw the production, it's like, well, they can't do everything with him, but it's like he's building his skill set to basically he has a chance to go to the next level. He's submarine that this year and what he's done at EBA. And it sucks. It sucks for him because he was a hell of an athlete. I can't remember, did he win back in 2019? I felt like maybe he was the prep player of the Year, Jeff, and I know you were doing some stuff with RTV back then. Was he Prep Player of the Year back in 2019? Actually done 20/19 was before my time. I don't know, but but yeah, I've actually, I would actually, I have a slightly different take.

52:15 I, I think his production in Notre Dame was a little bit of a red flag because he averaged less yards per carry in 2022 than Keyshawn King did behind that Notre Dame online. So I, I think it was more a case of like this guy was not quite living up to the potential that maybe some people, you know, thought, thought he did goes to UVA, you know, just doesn't really produce, you know, he's one of the lowest rated guys on PFF. Andre Green, another guy that went to UNC, came back to UVA and also is not produced. So what what does that say about some Virginia's skill guys? I don't know, but maybe that's a conversation for another day. Another day, were you able to find anything on Malachi fields? Yeah, he's been pretty solid this year overall.

52:56 PFF likes him as the number 4 graded receiver in the ACC yards per catch, not eye popping, but you know, pretty solid and average average chef at the target about 12 yards. So a little bit more intermediate, not not too much, you know, going deep a lot. But he's he's definitely been, I would say, you know, their most productive overall wide receiver, not that, you know, the competition is particularly stiff, but he's kind of the one guy you want to watch out for the most. What a subtle, backhanded comments. Oh, my God, that's great if you didn't catch it. The wide receiver, he's a good wide receiver, but the competition he's playing with is not that stiff. That's the why is the only reason he's looking good, per Shelton Moss.

53:43 All right, Brian, one more guy. Let's hit him up. Let's talk about Tyler Neville, the tight end. What you got on him? Yeah. I mean, when we talk about the other competition not standing up, I mean, Neville is what, the number 2 receiver on this team at tight end position. So that tells you a little bit about what's going on, on the UVA side of things there. And he's really their kind of outlet guy. He's the guy that's going to help them move the sticks and and keep the drive matriculating down the field there. There's a definitely big safety valve for Calandria or Musket, whoever we see. Again, I'm still expecting Calandria, but who the fuck knows at this point.

54:23 I've heard that there's some some locker room drama going on with that situation. So we'll see how that plays out and what effect that that's had on, you know, the output that this team has had in the back half of the schedule. But now, I mean, Neville's kind of very, very balanced guy, but he also is is very effective in the passing game, which I think is where he's going to probably serve the biggest purpose in this game all. Righty, so there's kind of a quick look at the Virginia side of the ball. I'm going to make this real one last real quick kind of comparison before we get into our keys and everything. So I, I, I always keep up. I'm a total offense guy, not scoring. I always, I, I love to lean on Shelton for the deeper metrics, but somehow there are two, five and six teams meeting Saturday and somehow, even though as bad as their offensive line is, they are just one, one position behind the Hokies in total offense.

55:24 Total offense for the Hokies is 84th. UVA is 85th. So just put that on there and let's get to the keys of the game here. Shelton. I'll let you Mull over a second. Brian, what's your key to this game? The key to this game is keep the damn cup at all cost. You know, I think when we look at the importance of this from a long term perspective, I I think getting the extra practices in for a bowl is important for this team because it is it's a team that is both very young and, and, and very experienced at the same time. So you got a lot of players that are out of eligibility and then you got a lot of sophomores and freshmen that are seeing some significant snaps.

56:12 So I think getting those guys some extra snaps, whether it is helping with potential draft stock for the guys that are running out of eligibility, that are going to be draft eligible or want to be draft eligible. And then the guys, you know, further down the Pike, getting them some extra practices where they're a little bit more prepared to take on more leadership roles as we roll into 2025. And this is regardless of what happens with the coaching staff top down to bottom, all of these things are going to be important rolling into 2025. So that winning the Cup, keeping the Cup, getting those extra practices, hopefully getting another win in a bowl game, getting back to seven and at least saying, you know, despite everything, we didn't take a step back, even though we didn't take the step forward that we thought we saw coming. All righty, Shelton, what about you? What's your feet in this game?

57:02 I'd say try to, you know, maintain some level efficiency on the ground game. I mean, I think if, if Vt struggles to run the ball, it's going to make it really difficult for for Pop Watson, just because, you know, now he played last week, teams have a week of film, you know, how do they adjust? You know, I think that's going to be a big key. I could certainly foresee a situation in which maybe, you know, Pop struggles under the under the spotlight and maybe, you know, UK rattles him. They, you know, they disguise coverages, they they make life hell for him and maybe he can adjust. And so if that's the case, then you got to be able to run the ball. So, you know, I don't know if you know, I, I expect tune to play. Obviously, you know, he he said that in the in the presser this week. So he's going to gut it out and you got to find a way to get some chunk plays.

57:43 And I think tune and O liner are definitely going to have to, you know, step up and perform big time this this Saturday. All right. I've, I've said so much about the keys all year, a lot of different things. And it's kind of what Shelton just said right there, keep Pop Watson clean if he is indeed the starter, which is looking like that's probably going to be the potential. And then for the other one, what you have to kind of think about is we've mentioned it a couple times already is we have to pressure Anthony Calandria. We have to.

58:24 And when I say that, it just means to me, if we're standing Calandria space pretty much all game, I think this is going to be potentially maybe A1 score game. We win. But that's the two things. It's keep pop clean and it's basically keep Calandria on the ground the whole fucking game. All righty as y'all know this, it's been an hour and Jonathan Tally is not here tonight. And Jonathan Tally had some stuff come up family wise kind of last minute. He was always expecting to get in here. I think it was about 5:00 our time. He messaged us, says hey, can't roll, something's happened. Pretty sure everything's all right. Usually Tally will let us know if more is going on, but obviously I had to ask for his prediction and so I'm going to leave with that real quick before I get to Shelton, Brian and then myself.

59:17 And y'all. Tally's down bad. Tally's down bad. Tally thinks that UVA takes this game 28 to 21. What say you, Shelton Moss? I'm going to take I'm going to take Vt 31 to 21. I think they're going to get like a a less. I think we're going to get like a late field goal to make it a A2 score game. So that way we can live with the misery of Brent probably being bad at one score games. So, so we'll we'll avoid having one score win for the first time in three years. So yeah, I'll take PT. Brian. I wanted to pick against us so bad, but just looking at UVA and what they've done recently, I just even with if Pop Watson is the starter, I think we've got a a very good chance of coming away with the W at home in lane.

1:00:15 Bowl eligibility of the line, Cup on the line. Give me a 3124 victory for the Hokies and Brent Pry gets his second one score victory of his tenure and you know it may be one that you know he can build on for 2025. All righty, I get to go last and as most people who know me personally, I'll probably know I am a pretty positive person. I am I am a pretty positive individual regardless what you see on here on Tuesday nights, because this is where I get to been about Hokie football, get to hold it in for a few days and let it all come out here. But I'm at the point right now in my head, I I I can't see this team win.

1:01:05 I can't I just can't. I think right now you lose another close game where you literally had so many things that went against you. You're right there. You should have easily have taken it. So I think, and I am hoping I'm wrong and y'all can all talk shit to me next week. I'll be the happiest person to take it. I think they snapped the 26th game or 26 year losing streak in Blacksburg on Saturday night. It's a one score game. 3127 bad guys. So there it is. All righty, we'll. Split house here we'll split house split. House cuz me and Tally were dead.

1:01:46 You know why? Cuz me and Tally last week literally said Duke were going to win. We had we had it on the notes. That was how we felt and we flipped it at the last possible second for whatever reason. Now Brian real quick got to make an announcement here. So a couple things happened. We never heard from our original winner of the pyramid. So what do we have to do? Well, we threw all the names back in there. We pressed the button and the new winner, and you have two weeks. You have two weeks. So what day will it be? 17 All right.

1:02:30 You cannot math. 10th I can't math December 10th December 10th There you go, winner is. It is Page Valley News at Page Valley News on YouTube. Hit us up. You throw a comment in here, you can shoot us an e-mail admin@boundarycornervt.com. We will get in touch with you. We will get you your mailing information so we can get this beauty over to you. So please, please, please hit us up any way you can. We will get it out to you. All righty so we're going to move forward. We have a few more things we're going to talk about football related but as you all know it is Thanksgiving week and if y'all don't know we are some hungry people at the Boundary Corner podcast. We always eat Brian cooking up a big meal this year for his family.

1:03:27 Two turkeys, baby. Two turkeys? Are you heading back in town or? Back to Richmond. Headed back to Richmond, eat with his family at one Thanksgiving already at my sister's this weekend. It was delicious. It was great. Obviously Thursday here in Richmond as well. We are actually my mother in law's doing Turkey dress. We're doing the whole Turkey here. So the first time doing that as a family and one of our buddies that we chat with all the time by the name of Andrew Karen through this out here. And I I want to hear it not only from us on the US here on the podcast.

1:04:09 I want to see if y'all out there, whether Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and it's the following and I'm going to Callie sent me his and our wonderful contributing writer, Miranda Senator third, but what is your core 4 on a plate of Thanksgiving? You only had four items you could put. What would you put? Gravy is a side. Gravy is not a side. Gravy is a spa in this situation. All right, I'm going to start with Sally first. Sally said he's going to go with the dresses and gimps and Turkey with Mac and cheese and a little sweet with the yank. I got that. Miranda, very similar here. She's going Turkey with mashed potatoes, with stuffing, with green bean casserole. Not not a sweet or Miranda.

1:04:56 Ron Sigler. That's my turn. What's your score for? All right, all right, I got to go Turkey, got to go dressing, got to go Mac and cheese. My 4th is going to be green beans of whatever variety. So I will, I will go with some sort of green bean, whether it be, you know, with some, with some ham hocks, whether it be green bean casserole, you know, whatever form of green beans you're giving me. We'll put it on there. Jason threw it, threw a little a little aside there with the deviled eggs. He threw the deviled eggs in there. And that's got me rethinking my green bean selection. But I'm going to stick with the green beans. Oh, he goes ham.

1:05:37 Yes, some places do serve ham. I'll be considering deviled eggs an actual side here. How There's some there's some Gray area here. I consider deviled eggs an actual side. OK, I'll consider that. I'll. Sauce and can't be put on anything. You know what then? Deviled eggs might trump green beans here, so let's go fucking doubled eggs. Ryan's going down a little eggs. He's kicking the greens to the. 2nd, thank you, Jason. Thank you. Shelton Moss, what about you? In order of preference, obviously we're going Turkey, although I am a big hand band as well. So if you want to substitute that, you can mashed potatoes and gravy. That's my number one side. You can't have a can't have a dinner without mashed potatoes and gravy. And then we'll go Mac and cheese and then we will go I guess green beans as well.

1:06:21 Just get some, get some vegetables in there, make a little bit healthy. There you go. All right. I'm going to throw up a couple other folks here. That was my inclination. And then I saw deviled eggs. I'm like, OK, all right, all right. Your boy here not a big Deviled Legs fan? There's Josh Young. Irrespectable. Hey, Jim Casserole. Hey, Jim, with the with the cranberry sauce, the can joint. Oh, man, Jim. Jim started in the sweets earlier right here. Yeah, man, let me go up to Robbie real quick. I think you might have put it up. There you go. All right. I, I'd, I'd eventually pivot over to Robbie's version there. So yeah, we're we're good there all. Right, I am going to go as follows. First of all, Turkey and mashed potatoes, both with gravy on them.

1:07:10 Get it on there, layer it up, make it all good. Next, something to my wife's, I love. She has a delicious corn pudding, absolutely lovely, a little sweet. Got to have it, especially as heavy as the Turkey, mashed potatoes and and gravy is. And then give me a broccoli casserole. Give me a broccoli casserole. I like. I need a little bit of cheese in my life there. Although I did have we didn't have broccoli casserole, my sisters. So I did have a giant portion of Mac and cheese, but you know, throw a little greens in there and Yep, you know, it's always fun.

1:07:54 We'd love to hear y'all's as well because I mean I'm going to be basically starting to starting pretty much tomorrow through Sunday. Lots of football, lots of food, lots of family, a lot of good stuff over the next 5 days. Yeah, I put the turkeys in the brine just before we jumped on here. Curtis jumped on. He saw I had the the mic muted. The the camera stopped. I was. I was in there trapping the turkeys, man, getting those bad boys ready, smoking. Them or you dropping them? Oh yeah, I'm smoking both of them, getting a full 24 hour brine in there and I'm going to let them air dry out in the fridge overnight and then first thing in the morning they're on the smoker.

1:08:39 All right, let's keep it rolling here and we will be eating good. Maybe I'll come to your house Friday and just. Eat all the rest. Plenty of leftovers, man. Exactly. Maybe I'll come over Friday. All right, let's hit it real quick. College Football Playoff poll released tonight. Obviously the chaos that happened in college football, especially down the SEC this weekend. Count throws everything, your top 4 hour as follows. Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, Georgia, Tennessee, SMU, Indiana, Boise. And then believe it or not, the 12th team is Arizona State in first team out is Clemson. And for everybody's not aware, Oregon, Texas, Miami and Boise State would get your buys home field advantages. Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame and Georgia would be getting home field advantages, effectively playing these other teams.

1:09:44 Anything shocked by any of this for either one of y'all? If y'all got to see the release about two hours ago. Not really. This this was actually a little bit more predictable than last. Like last week. I felt like we had a lot to talk about. This was kind of a as straightforward as you could imagine. I mean, you could you could, you know, squabble a little bit over up one, down one, but there there isn't the egregious What the fuck are they doing there in in in this one? It's true. I I I agree wholeheartedly with you. It's like they got it right. The Big 12 is definitely officially A1 dead league. ACC potentially sneak two in the Clemson a game we're going to pick in a little while here.

1:10:32 That game is massive for Clemson's. Yep. IU probably has life if Indiana can beat Purdue. The terrible Purdue team for the old Oaken Bucket, which is a game I almost chose, but if not. Robbie got was very right and very wrong last week. He's like, Indiana's going to get blown out. They basically did, basically did. And but they that that did not disqualify them here. He thought it, he thought it was going to, but the SEC losses definitely gave them some life. Well, it's the SEC losses to the average teams, the teams that have been basically.

1:11:13 Meddling. Yeah, meddling. You know, you can't continue to pile again. I screamed it last week a little bit. Wins have to eventually matter. You, you, you. If a nine and three team makes it in this year, it's just going to be one of those like, well, if you're a tween team that wins 10 or 11 games and you're left out, like what the fuck can I do different? I literally won 80% of my games this year and you're letting the team that won 70% of theirs in. So, you know, that's all I can say about that. So it will be interesting as we go in. I think next week's is going to be a lot of fun.

1:11:54 True. Great point, Jason. Unbelievable point, Jason. All right, one last piece I do want to hit up before we go to big screeners. I do not know if y'all, if you aren't, you should follow Doug Bowman, who was with 247. Doug Bowman basically looked at the BT Board of visitors meeting that they had, I think it was last week, in which Tim Sands basically stated the following athletic department is basically going to get a 1% budget increase in the next couple years. Now you sit here and say that's one fucking percent.

1:12:37 What the hell is that? Anybody know the annual budget for Virginia Tech or you know, any sort of big university like that? Anybody 1. Day Athletic Athletics. Budget. No, no, no, not athletic because it's the entire university budget right now. Athletics gets 5%. Tim Sands is basically saying it's going to go to six. But do you know how big a budget is for the school in general? I mean at least nine figures. 2.3 billion, so it's 10. Figures, yeah. Yeah, so 2.3 billion and people are like, well, what's 1%? So roughly right now the budget is like 125. It would probably go to close to 140 when that happens. The other thing that's sneaky about this, if y'all don't pay any, go go read that letter.

1:13:31 Tim Sands is making a political move to potentially get the athletic fee higher, however you feel about that. And I know Shelton, you went there, you had to pay that. I was part of your tuition every year. Not something you can never get back, but with a school of 30,000 people and the amount that they have to pay if it hit the highest end, which would be $2000, basically would add an extra $32 million to the sports budget. So anybody in favor of 50 million extra dollars in the athletic department budget? Brian, you're being very quiet because I think he's about to give the take that we talked about. Well, I'm, I'm of two minds because. So let's go back in time a little bit. Let's go back to let's go back to 2000. Let's, let's, let's talk about the enrollment boost of Michael Vick of playing for the national championship. So let's talk about that and then we let's compare that to the product on the field and the idea that students should be paying more for that product.

1:14:50 So it's it's, it's the classic catch 22 because you, you need the money to be competitive. But if you're to, if you're getting the money and you're still not competitive, you're going to have a backlash. We're already seeing that this season, right? You know, you went, you went full bore. We're talking, we're talking about the NIL situation with basketball. And we see what that looks like. We saw it last night. We've seen it the last couple games. We see where the state of of, of the athletic department is with NIL and how we went all in with football. And we're getting kind of basically the same results, right? So now you're talking about adding student fees onto that as part of essentially with budgets being commingled now between NIL and the athletic department budget, all of that could potentially go in towards paying players, you know, whatever the athletic department needs at that given time. So I think if you don't see some success in the very near term with that strategy, there's going to be a backlash in enrollment.

1:16:03 And I know that there's other states, other schools doing it, but I think from from Virginia Tech's perspective, you're going to see some backlash. Shelton Yeah. I mean, give me whatever you want to give me on this man. Again, it's your alma mater. It's something you had to pay. It's something that's looked at. Obviously parents are going to look at it. Kids are going to look at it. Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, you guys, you guys know, I'm, I'm a huge fan of college sports and I want, I want to see investment and and see VTV competitive. But you know, passing on the cost to the consumer is something I always have have issue with just because, you know, we're we're already paying for the tickets, the TV, the TV fees and essentially subsidizing the entire athletic department.

1:16:45 Now we've got to pay on top of that BNIL stuff. So, and then, you know, potentially student fees, you know, adding, adding student fees, which I mean, they can't do legally because VE has a set a set fee right now. But yeah, I don't know man. I just think it when you look at big picture, you know, obviously these cause of like departments have gone by decades without having to pay players. Now they've got to reinvest that money into the players and it's created some budget shortfalls and they're they've got to find a way to make up the money somehow. So I think Tim Sands is going to be good here. I know he, you know, he's on leadership council for D1 and I think he has a good understanding of what DT needs and how to manage the money. But I just think it's unfortunate that, you know, we are in a situation like Brian said, where we're investing more than we've invested in decades and the product has not changed at all.

1:17:34 I I also think that, you know, we're getting to the point now where it seems to me like investment in players is going to be more important than investment in coaches. But what does that look like in the intermediate? I mean, we don't know exactly. So lots of uncertainty for sure, but I would say that, you know, this is probably a time if you have like department where they're they're trying to play things safe and be calculated and and risk averse so that they are set up well for the next stage of college sports where, you know, we we're we're now paying players and it's a very, you know, very much like a kind of a pro system. And I, I trust, you know, Witt and tans and sync on that particular front. But there's going to be, I think it's, it might, it might get worse before it gets better.

1:18:16 I guess I'll put it that way. Yeah. We're in that kind of Gray area too. And I mean, I know a lot of people. I think there's a, you know, we saw from the poll, there's a small but vocal majority that very much want Whit Babcock out of the athletic department. And there's part of that subset that very much does not think that Sayings cares enough about sports to follow through on the lip service that he's given. And I, I don't know where the reality of that actually is from a long term perspective. But when I look at Virginia Tech football and I look at kind of where we were behind, I, I, I think the problem that Virginia Tech football has is that we were behind on overhauling our recruiting for so long.

1:19:16 We were behind on, you know, a handful of the facilities things that I think needed to be in place maybe a little bit earlier. I know facilities are kind of falling out of favor in terms of major investment. But when you look at a locker room and I know that that's that's coming, but that's put us at a disadvantage, I feel like from a just meeting the the minimum required level of, you know, power for competitive advantage from that front. So I feel like we've been a little bit behind on those things, some of those cosmetic things that I think do have small influences over, you know, players.

1:20:04 And now we're in a situation where we've got to weigh that, investing in that, investing in staff, potentially overhauling a staff partially this offseason with still fully investing in bringing in as many high quality athletes as we can with NIO and that's a tough place to be in. It it really is a tough place to be in. It is a changing landscape, something that really we have not seen in our lifetimes when it comes to this. And again, how they go about it really over the next two or three years is going to determine where Virginia Tech stands at the end of it. And you know, we can say, well, the if the product isn't good, you know, people are going to get sick and tired of it.

1:20:51 But but boys, I'll say this. Take a look at some of those passionate fan bases across this country. They don't have good teams. Look at Mississippi State out there all the time screaming for their team and they have not even been damn SEC championship game. Think about that. So how are you going to compete with that? How are you going to get upset and say, well, we need to just go ahead and start cutting all this stuff off? You really can't. That's my opinion. It might not be one that people like a lot. So kind of is what it is.

1:21:32 All right, so let's move on y'all and let's get down to big screeners where it's always going to be a lot of fun. And for this week, hold up Brian, you didn't send me the four. I don't know who's winning, I don't know who's losing. Just know we're all out there floating around 500 somewhere. So if you bet with us, you might win, you might lose. That's all I'm going to say. But Brian on where you going on this one? And we're heading to College Station, baby. We are heading out there. A&M is a six point home dog to Texas. And you know what I think I think Vegas got that about right.

1:22:17 I think it's going to be about a touchdown win for the Longhorns to give me Texas here all. Right, this is a massive games when it comes to really the playoffs implications. The winner of this game goes to the SEC championship. It's going to be Saturday night. It's going to be 112,000 people at Kyle Field. I like Texas A&M getting 6 points, but I don't think they're going to win. I think Texas is going to take this by field goal. 3128 Texas wins, A&M covers Sheldon. Yeah, I think Texas is going to smack him around a little bit. I think it'll be relatively close, but Texas will cover. I just don't like the way AM is playing right now all. Righty and I am on an island here. On an island, baby.

1:23:07 Everybody else Tally, Miranda and Jason says hook em forms. Where are we going, Curtis? We are going to Athens, GA for a little clean, old fashioned hate. Georgia Bulldogs home team getting 19 1/2 points versus Georgia Tech. And, and on this one, Georgia already locked into the SEC championship game. But I don't think they can. They cannot. They can. I'll afford to take it out of conference loss at 9:00 and 2:00. They cannot go nine and three. But Georgia Tech has fought everybody tooth and nail all year. The game last year was tooth and nail.

1:23:48 So one thing I was looking at and I want to see where it is because I got a feeling we're going to all stick on here, is I think Haines King is going to play, which is pretty big for them. He's dated he's day-to-day, but I think 19 1/2 is too much. Georgia at some point has to decide probably to turn the The Jets off because what you do not want happening is somebody to break their leg or some serious injury happen. Give me Georgia Tech, it's 19 1/2. Georgia still wins, but closer than what the experts out in Vegas think.

1:24:31 Yeah, they got this one wrong. To me, I think that's going to be about A2 touchdown win for Georgia. I think Georgia Tech's going to keep it close. You know, Georgia might pull away a little bit at the end. I don't think it's going to be, you know, worth 3 scores there. So I want to take Georgia Tech as well. Sean. Yeah, I'm taking Georgia Tech also. I just don't trust Georgia's offense enough to really kind of beat him up that bad. And I think Georgia Tech, you know, they've got enough, they got enough, enough talent to give within, you know, 3 touchdowns. That defense is going to keep them in the game. It's it's going to make it pretty close. It really is. And Talley says Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech off the board, they have officially been cursed. They got the kiss of death man.

1:25:14 The the the full BCP wagon here. All righty, let's go next down to Death Valley, Clemson, SC. This is Tally's pick y'all. And hang on, hang on. That's. Not the oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Let's go. Let's. Go to Shelton. Let's go 15 miles that way. We got a big a big time game this weekend in the Commonwealth Lee High playing Richmond in the first round of the FCS playoffs. For those who don't know, the FCS playoffs get started this weekend. Montana State is the one seed. They had an undefeated regular season and they are #1 in the FCS polls for the first time in 10 years.

1:25:55 The usual behemoths of the FCS. North Dakota State is 2 seed and South Coast State is a three seed, so it should be a pretty interesting field. I think Richmond is a nine seed. So they did get seeded. The top 12 teams have a seed and yeah, some, some, you know, high ups for the Spiders this year as they try to advance past the second round of playoffs. Last two seasons for Richmond, they have won their first round games by a total of 63 points. Their head coach is Russ Huesman, who was formerly at Chattanooga and is as in his eighth season with the program. So good game. I think it'll be fairly close. The winner of this one will play Idaho all the way out in Moscow and head over to the Kiddie Kiddie Dome next week for the second round.

1:26:41 But with all that being said, I will take Richmond. I like how they how they played in the first round of the playoffs these last couple of years. I think they'll have no trouble putting away the Mountain Hawks, and they'll advance to Idaho next week. You know what I'm riding with, I ride with Richmond as well. I got to got to keep it local here and and and ride with the with the home team. Those mountain hawk let that logo is something. I like that thing. Cool logo. Cool logo, but the spiders have always had a cool logo. My father in Give him 21. Yeah, yeah. And I think.

1:27:25 We cursed them again. We cursed them again. We cursed. Them again if they lose. Spiders going down. If, if, if, if they do, it's going to be on us. Yeah, by the way, you from from Jason. Jason was like kind of gamblers picking is kind of betting on this game. Well, he's got to understand Shelton's love for the FCS. By the way, let's just be honest. Wouldn't it be nice to get to 1616? Nobody gets a bye. There's no more conference championship games just starts next week. They play 1, you skip 1, you play 1, you get to the bowls at home fields. I'd be down with that. I'd be sick as shit. We'll get there eventually. There we go. Eventually, yeah, it's, it's more games, it's more money. Of course we're going to get there eventually. I think, I think we'll get there once the the full power for whatever split, whatever the fuck that happens with that, whenever that officially takes place, I think that's when we'll get to 16, but we'll see.

1:28:24 We will see. All righty, let's go next. This time we're going to Clemson, SC, where it is the Ballaloo of the Palmetto State. Also a battle in my cousin's household. Wife loves Clemson, he went to South Carolina. Son goes to South Carolina. Mom loves Clemson. I don't want to be in that house. He's never invited me over for Thanksgiving, for Thanksgiving. I will never go down there because I do not want to slip through the fighting of this game. This is a big game in a lot of senses because we mentioned just a couple minutes ago, Clemson is the last team out South Carolina. I think I had it up here in my damn web browser. Crash. South Carolina is like 15th and people are thinking that South Carolina may be able to slip in the back door and get in the playoff.

1:29:09 I do not think that is possible at all. But Clemson's also a Sid and wait because Miami plays Syracuse and what happens if Syracuse wins and beats Miami on Saturday? I don't know, right? Y'all don't know is. That Clemson goes to the down to Charlotte. Clemson goes to Charlotte if the Syracuse, Yep, they pull it off. So Brian, what's your take on this one? You know, it's interesting you talked about South Carolina. I will say this about South Carolina is that if there's a three loss team that makes it, it might be South Carolina. Yeah, the way it's lining up, right? So if there's a three loss team that makes it, South Carolina is going to be the one.

1:30:00 But I don't think they get past the Tigers here. I think the Tigers role, it's not going to be a big victory, but I think it's going to be about a about a touchdown win for the Tigers. I am with you on this. 2 1/2 is not enough. I think South Carolina, it's going to be a competitive game. It probably is going to be an entertaining game. The game should not be at noon, which I think it is on Saturday. That's a bunch of garbage. It should be later in the day, but you know I don't control the TV and where you put the games. Shane and the boys keep it close, but Clemson wins by 10. Give me 3323. Compounding the stakes, obviously, if Miami wins next this upcoming week, Clemson won't be able to get another chance for winning the conference title game.

1:30:46 Which means, of course, that if the Tigers lose, their playoffs are very much in the balance. So big game. I think the team kind of knows, you know, the expectations. They've dominated this rivalry the past decade or so, lost a couple years ago. So they'll be pretty focused to like get that home win again. So I'm taking Clemson. There we go, Tally riding with Clemson as well. Miranda with the Cox. Miranda, Ron and Jason with the hey put up that Robbie message real quick. Let. Me. Find it here. Hang on. My cousin is T, He is going to be proud of you. Twizzler Go Cox. Twizzler is a story.

1:31:28 Maybe one day, maybe a state of the program gets told. What do you think, Robbie? Can we tell? Him we got, we got about a month away, man. It might happen this year, depending on how much I drink. The story of why Robbie is known as Twizzler to my cousin. All right, where are we going next? Who is the next one? Oh, hey, State and Iowa State is Miranda's game. And I have been trying to pull this up, but my computer over here has been a pain in the ass. So the Big 12 is in flux because it's like four teams with two losses, and this is a huge one on Saturday. So no team in the Big 12 controls their own destiny.

1:32:13 I, I will say the message that we're getting from the committee at this point is that, you know, four teams from SEC or, or Big 10 or BN before 2 teams from the Big 12. That that's kind of the message. That's kind of the message we're getting right now, which is kind of, it's kind of wild, but it's, that's kind of where we are in the process here. We'll see how it plays out over the next couple weeks. But for this one, I'm rolling with Iowa State here. I think 3 at home isn't enough. If that was at 5 1/2, I'd probably still take it. I think this is going to be about a touchdown victory here for the the Cyclones.

1:32:55 All right. Are you ready to hear the scenarios, Bron? Yeah. So watching Saturday, so if everybody wins Arizona State, BYU, Iowa State, Colorado, Arizona State, Iowa State in the championship game, if exactly 2 of that group win, the two winners will meet in the Big 12 championship game. OK, Yep, that makes sense. Yep, that makes sense. So you've ruled, you've ruled out the everybody wins or only two wins. Now give me the middle. The middle. Is a shit ton. Arizona State, BYU and Iowa State win and Colorado takes the loss. Arizona State, Iowa State, Arizona State BYU. Colorado win, Iowa State loses.

1:33:38 Arizona State, BYU BYU Iowa State, Colorado win Arizona State loses. Iowa State, BYU. All right, here we go. Last one. Arizona State, Iowa State, Colorado wins and BYU loses. Could be either Colorado or Iowa State or Colorado, Arizona State. So they are really pulling for a BYU loss and everybody else to win. Then it comes Texas Tech has to beat West Virginia, Baylor has to beat Kansas, and Cincinnati has to beat TCU.

1:34:20 If that's the case, Colorado, Iowa State. If Texas Tech wins and the other two or one of the other two lose, then it's Colorado. Arizona State, if I got that. No, hey. By the way, I just want to let y'all know though. But because we're going to a playoff, things aren't as important anymore to lead into the season. The whole fucking Big 12 begs to differ. Dumbasses out there. Oh I'm supposed to pick a game? Iowa State easily wins this one. Sheldon, what you got? Yeah, I think, I think the Big 12 cannibalize itself a little bit. So I'm taking Gay State a big win, big win last week for them.

1:35:03 Iowa State I there's something about him. I just don't trust him for whatever reason. So I think I think K State wins all. Right. K State wins. OK, he's got K State win. I'm trying to find the one over here where Iowa State loses Ron. Tally's got Iowa State, Miranda's rod with Shelton, Jason's riding with us Buddy all. Right, so you want the Arizona, you want to see the Arizona State BYU rematch, the Hail Mary that got caught at the three yard line might explain why you don't get in zone on that play. Oh man, last but not least would. You who would have seen this at the beginning of the season? With Jason to put possibility but who would have seen every other game that we picked has.

1:35:54 But I'm talking about this line, Not, not, not the fucking game, but this fucking line. No, no. Couldn't see that happening. 3 1/2 maybe, but not that big. But it's kind of funny Jason comes over here and chooses this game. A massive line and the only one that has nothing riding on it. Nothing matters. Nothing fucking matters in this game. So go ahead. This is for pride of Florida, baby. Hey folks, welcome back to another week of guitar licks and gambling picks.

1:36:51 It is rivalry week and I wanted to send some good vibes down to Blacksburg for the Hoagies. Hopefully they can finish the season off on a high note get themselves bowl eligible. Unfortunately, Virginia does not allow you to bet on in State Games, so therefore I'm going to have to pick another game and for that I'm looking down to Florida Tallahassee specifically for the match up between Florida and Florida State that growing up this used to be my favorite game of the year. Both of these teams used to be really good. They would usually be in the top five and the winner often went to the national championship game. None of that is true this year, however, Florida has turned things around quite significantly that a big win last week against Ole Miss Florida State however, is wrapping up what has to be called the season from hell.

1:37:41 My guess is they want to end it as quickly as possible and I think that's exactly what Florida is going to do to them this weekend. So therefore I am taking Florida -13 1/2 on the road against Florida State, which of course means I get another chance to play some Tom Petty.

1:38:35 Oh yes, you do. All right folks, let's go Gators -13 1/2 and let's go Hokies. I'll see you all next week for Championship week. All righty, he's going Gators laying a bunch of points. Brian, what are you doing? I'm doing the exact same damn thing because Florida State cannot get out of their own way. Florida's really kind of looking a lot better in the last month or so. So I feel a little bit confident about that. I think, you know, 17 points sounds about right for that victory there.

1:39:25 I think the Gators will take care of business. I think 17's being nice and generous because. Rivalry factors in there. Rivalry factors in there, but I get you. I think Florida State's quit all. Right, Florida State beat Charleston Southern 34 to 3:00 last Saturday. Charleston Southern is was one and nine, 1:00 and 9:00. You knew what the score was with about two minutes left in the first half. I sent it to you. Yeah, Yeah, do. You see, Sheldon, it was three to nothing. Yeah, Water State, it was three to nothing. Gators by at least 28.

1:40:08 I do, I do think Florida State will come out more motivated than they have been in previous games, but I just, I don't think they stand even remotely any sort of chance. I think I think Florida's a lot better than people think. You know, they've, I obviously feel like neighbour has been the subject of much criticism, but you know, he's done a really good job turning that chip around, keeping things afloat. They've got a couple of really big wins these past two weeks. So I think Florida State or Florida, excuse me, rolls easily. Yeah, I mean, really good effort to keep that, that ship going because, you know, with some of the expectations attached to Florida just being Florida and kind of the way that season started off, they could have easily just kind of, you know, checked out mid to late October and they didn't do that. So kudos to them.

1:40:49 Tally's riding with you with us as well. So is Miranda, and obviously we know what Jason's doing. So across the board here, taking Florida, is this the kiss of death? I mean, that's what that's three that we've 3. Put the big board up there. You always have it ready. Put the big board up there. So three across the board we've got. Two islands. Yeah, two islands and then we got the yeah 4/2 with the Iowa State, K State. If you bet with us this week, you pretty much bet with everybody. We all, we're all going to suffer the same fate one way or the other. And I think these, you know, like we said, most of these games have some stakes attached to them, except for the last one. And the last was just a, a fun one to to look at. You got a, you got a weird line in a rivalry game, but you got a team that, you know, in Florida that's been playing a lot better and you got a team in Florida State that's basically been checked out since the middle of October. So it's.

1:41:44 True. It's going to be kind of weird to see where that one goes, but it's, it's a, it's a fun slate this weekend, I think. I mean, it's always awesome to have Jason pull out the Telecaster and play some. Yeah, yeah. We, we hadn't got that all year. We wouldn't, you know, mostly. And you know what we found out, though? What's that? You. Can play the Telecaster and record it for the live stream. It is not. It sounds great. Yeah, Kelly sounds great, Jason. Yeah, keep that. Shut up, y'all got anything else y'all want to hit before we wrap this up and head into the head into the most consumed alcohol day of the year? Yeah, Wednesday, guys. So it's, and I, you know, I don't know if it's still this way, but when, when me and Curtis were coming up, the Wednesday before Thanksgiving was like one of those like just fun, fun nights.

1:42:37 You always ended up like waking up to a hangover, whether you, whether it's like high school or, or or college, coming home to visit, you wake up with a hangover. You got, you know, smell the food starting to cook. You got to go down there and like nurse your hangover while you're helping out with food and getting the house ready for folks to come over. So it's, it's, it's a fun day. I hope everybody consumes responsibly tomorrow and, and Thursday if they, they plan on partaking with families. So just want to say happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there and we're going to see if the Hoagies can can get both eligible this Saturday. Sheldon. Go Hokies. Go Hokies.

1:43:19 Yeah, everybody. Talk about this real quick. Do we want to talk before we wrap it up? Matt Brown got fired today but he gets to coach against NZS 8 and he gets to coach the ball. We don't get to coach ball game. Probably not, no. I I think they left that undetermined, but more than likely no. I mean. It's not a shocker. I mean, it's surprised it didn't happen a couple years ago. It's surprising it didn't happen a couple years ago. It's surprising that it happened mid season after they rolled into the season with, you know, sticking with them. I thought they if they started the season with them, they were going to end with the season with them. All things considered. There I mean it. It's not quite the, you know, the graceful transfer of of power here. You know, Mac, you know, for the, yeah, all the shit that I think we've given Mack and we've given Mack a bunch of shit. I mean, he didn't have to come back to UNC and give this thing a go.

1:44:13 So, you know, kudos for the effort there. But it'll it'll be nice having some of that that recruiting not in our backyard again. We'll see what, what UNC, you know, pulls out of their ass in terms of their next head coaching hire here. But they're kind of one of the one of the 1st, you know, P4 teams out the gate looking for a, for a head coach here rolling in the offseason. So they have a, you know, pretty good position to be in from that perspective. Yep. And the only thing, let me tell you, the first thing I did when they I saw you was fired, I went to the UNC coaching page.

1:44:56 Is anybody worth a shit here that we can hire? That's all I did that is TVD. Curtis said Mack Brown, consultant to the head coach. He's never been a she's been never been that shitty of your game manager could tell price somewhat. I was also looking position coaches too. It's just what I'm doing. Oh man, interesting, interesting put that up right there. That would be very interesting. All right hour 46 in the book. We appreciate y'all watching everybody have a happy save Thanksgiving. If you drink, call an Uber, call a friend. Don't do that bullshit. We want y'all listening here next week. And as always, that wraps up this episode of the Boundary Corner Podcast brought to you by the Counts Family Pharmacy in Blacksburg. I'm Curtis Wilson.

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1:46:25 They've actually got videos on YouTube, so I went ahead and threw a comment on one of the videos. Awesome. All righty, we appreciate all y'all out there listening and as always, let's go. Hokies. The.