The Hokies bounced back from a rough November with a dominant win against the Cavaliers in the regular season finale. Pop Watson looked poised and the usual suspects of APR and Tuten were elite. The Hokies now await their bowl opponent as we roll into Championship Week. This week's Big Screeners we're picking winners for each Conference Title game.
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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner podcast along with my
partners, Brian Ziegler and
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Shelton Moss in a late arriving
Jonathan Talley.
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He will be here in just a little
while.
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Y'all.
My name is Curtis Wilson.
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Season's over.
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All the regular season's over.
The regular season's over.
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It went by fast, did it not?
Such is life, man.
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I mean, we started the season,
Sheldon didn't have a job.
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Now he's got a job.
He's got a new apartment.
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He's writing articles for the
key play Sheldon.
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He will feverishly be finishing
out an article after we wrap up
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tonight for y'all tomorrow,
Sheldon, just get a little tea
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on what you're going to be
reviewing there for that article
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when it drops.
Yeah, so I think it might be a
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two-part series, you know, Part
1 tomorrow, but because I got a
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lot of things to write about.
But I would say, you know, I I
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just talked about how how much
of an underachiever Virginia
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Tech was historical
underachiever.
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If you saw my tweet the other
day, Okies are last 20-3 years.
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They had the highest point
differential against FBS plus
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6.9 point differential for a
team that did not finish with a
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winning record at 6:00 and 6:00.
So I think the the defining
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aspect of this team will just
be, you know, underachieving.
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I mean, they they should have
won more than six games, but
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they didn't found a way to lose
every close game O and five.
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And I think I think the play on
the field was a lot better than
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what the record indicated, even
though we certainly do have some
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criticism of coaching.
But you know, I I talked about
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the defense and how, you know,
they did statistically improving
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a lot of metrics from last year,
but it was also somewhat of a
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mirage just because they faced a
lot of backup quarterbacks.
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They didn't really win a game
against any decent quarterback
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the entire season.
You know, they gave us some big
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passing plays, a lot of
explosives and they they
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struggled to stop the run
consistently.
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So you think we look at those
factors together, you kind of
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look at a defense that just
really didn't.
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I think the the, the sum of the
parts, you know, wasn't bigger
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than the whole, whatever the
quote is.
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I don't know.
But they just they didn't
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perform well enough.
So there you go.
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All right, so definitely check
that out tomorrow with Shelton.
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And you know, normally we will
start with Tell the Truth
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Tuesday and review the game.
But because we were waiting for
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Tally had to attend the
basketball game and I can be
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sliding in here a little later,
we're going to start it to be at
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the ending end at the beginning.
So what we're starting with is
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we are going to start with our
big screeners this week.
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We have decided to pick every
conference championship game,
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all nine of them straight up
money line, no spread involved.
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Who you think's going to take
home the trophy potential bids
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into the CFP playoff?
We can.
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We're going to actually discuss
that and the rankings once we
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get this wrapped up.
So a lot of fun, a lot of games.
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If you're a gambler like Jason
Long, our buddy, I have a
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feeling either Jason come Sunday
is going to have a lot of money
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to the bet on the NFL.
He's not going to be able to bet
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on the NFL Sunday after Friday
and Saturday, so.
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This is a fun one because I, I
looked, it's kind of where we
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fell and it's a, it's a very
interesting, interesting week.
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Yeah, after after a a few weeks
here of having quite a few games
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where we're all in lockstep, we
got a bunch this week that
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there's at least a couple
stragglers here and there.
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There are some stragglers here
and there.
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So let's get that graphic up and
let's get it started.
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And we are going to start with
one of the first games on Friday
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night where Jonathan Talley's
alma mater, the Jacksonville
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State Gamecocks.
But one Gamecock is going to
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have a championship this year.
The other probably not going to
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be able to play takes on Western
Kentucky.
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Western Kentucky is sneaking
into this game after they beat
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Jacksonville State last week to
get into the Conference USA
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title game, which is pretty
crazy.
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I think it's a 3 point win.
16/19/16 I'll get that up to
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confirm.
So we're going to start here.
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It's going to be Friday night.
7:00.
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Get your get your gambling ready
because you know that's what
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you're going to do on this game.
Going to be on CBS Sports
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Network, we're picking straight
up the line is Jacksonville -3
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1/2 and it is going to be at
Jacksonville State.
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So at their home stadium where
the match up I believe last week
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if I'm not mistaken was at
Western Kentucky and it was 17
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or 1917 Western Kentucky with a
walk off 50 yard field goal to
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beat Jacksonville State.
So Brian, with all that being
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said.
Teams this evenly matched.
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Winning a game twice is hard as
hell.
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So for that reason, we're going
with the cops, man.
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Got winning against the same
team twice usually it's tough to
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do anyway.
Winning against the same team
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twice in back-to-back weeks, I
don't find that data point.
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Is that ever been done?
I can find it be.
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So we'll let you look that up
while we're going through this
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stuff.
But for me, I'm also with Brian,
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I I think a close win.
Wilshire, Kentucky's home field
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definitely saved one last week.
Jacksonville Statewood home
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field Jacksonville State wins
Conference USA.
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Yeah, I know Boise State and
President State had a couple
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years where they they faced off
back-to-back in the Mountain
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West because of the the
championship game after regular
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season game.
And those are some pretty good
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battles.
I think.
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I think they split most of their
meetings.
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But yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking
Jacksonville State.
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I honestly don't really know
anything about either one of
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these teams, but I'm just taking
the home team.
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There you go.
You know where Tally's.
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Going well, you know where he's
going.
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And Miranda's going with Western
Kentucky here.
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She thinks they can pull the
double and.
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Jason's riding with the rest of
the crew.
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All righty, Brian, where are we
going next?
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Miami of Ohio and Ohio all.
Righty the matching.
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The matching, this is totally
gut feel for me.
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I'm going with Ohio.
I'm riding.
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I'm riding with the Bobcats
here.
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Gut feel for me.
This is going to be noon by the
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way, on Saturday, ESP NS
carrying this one game is let's
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say I think it's at Ford Field,
the wonderful Ford Field, which
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is wonderful.
Now it's a fun place to watch
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football.
Now these teams matched up in
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the regular season with Miami of
Ohio beating Ohio and it's kind
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of funny though when y'all think
about it.
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So we have a Miami and an Ohio
in conference championship
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weekend, but you know what?
Is it either one we thought it'd
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be?
Nope, not at all.
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Nope.
I like Miami a little bit more
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and I'll tell you why on this
one.
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Yes, they're going to pull the
double, but that game was way
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back.
When you take a look at their
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records this year, Miami's of
Ohio's other three losses.
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They lost to Northwestern, they
lost to Cincinnati and they lost
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to Notre Dame, and they were
competitive in those games.
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So I'm going to want to go Miami
of Ohio on this one.
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All right, Sheldon, what you
got?
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Yeah, I'm taking Miami.
Last three games they've given
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up a total of 28 points.
Their defense is on fire.
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I'm taking the team with better
defense today.
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So Miami.
All right.
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Tally's riding with Y'all,
Miranda's on my train here and
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Jason is with Y'all as well, so
it's kind of a split house here.
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Little 42 action.
Little 42 action there.
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All right.
Oh baby, next one, Sunbelt
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Conference where this
legitimately looks like a really
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good game.
Marshalls nine and three,
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usually Louisiana Raisin Cajuns
are tending to this game at
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Cajun Field, so it is a home
field advantage for the Raisin
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Cajuns.
Will be on ESPN on Saturday.
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Excuse me, yes, Saturday night
730 have a man cave set up.
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You don't miss any games, but
everybody know that out there
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and and it's interesting.
I'm trying to pull it up here.
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I don't think they played in the
regular season because there's
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an East and West for this.
Marshall coming off a win over
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JMU.
They did not play in the regular
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season.
So a first, first meeting of the
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season.
Yeah, first match up and it's a
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good match up.
They're both good, solid teams.
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Brian, what are you thinking on
this one?
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You know, I've liked what I've
seen from the Marshall games
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that I've watched all year.
I haven't watched a ton of
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Louisiana throughout the year.
Marshalls looked pretty
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impressive compared to what I
thought we were going to get
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from them this year, so I'm
going to take Marshall in this
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one.
Yeah, Marshall, two of their
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three losses, obviously they
lost to Tech and then they lost
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to Ohio State the following
week.
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So two of their three losses are
to Power Four teams, Raging
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Cajuns one and one against.
Effectively not one in one.
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But Raging Cage's biggest win
this year.
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Beat Tulane early in the season.
Should be lost to Tulane early
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in the season, but beat Wake
Forest.
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So with all that being said, I
don't know, I like Charles Huff.
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I think this is more I like
Charles Huff.
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He might be the coach in a
couple years.
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So get on with bandwagon now.
Well, I like Michael Desermo.
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That's the head coach for
Louisiana.
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OK, he was, he was a little bit
similar to pride in the sense
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that he got really unlucky his
first two years.
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But this has been sort of the
big turn around year for
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Louisiana.
He's done a great job.
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They're they're tending to
overall 7/1 of the conference.
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So I'm taking Louisiana.
I think I just think they got a
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really good unit.
Yeah.
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All right.
Yeah.
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Tally's riding with you there,
Sheldon, Miranda's riding me and
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Curtis and Jason they we got a
full split here on this one.
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Hey Sheldon, just just a little
background.
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Where did the Ormo come from?
Where was he he?
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He's a, he was a first time head
coach.
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He can't, he was an assistant
there for a bunch of years and
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he actually came before that
straight from straight from high
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school.
So he was a running backs coach
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for one year and then switched
over to tight ends for five
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years and then just moved up the
ranks.
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Wow, that's that's, that's
actually pretty impressive to do
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something like that.
You don't see a lot of guys
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literally go from high school a
straight into AG 5.
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That's that's one of the more
impressive things, unless you're
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at one of the big time, you
know, high schools within a
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state or something, which could
be the case down in Louisiana
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where he was.
I'd have to go do that research,
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but but good for him, good for
him with ten wins.
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So yeah, all righty now we're
getting into some of the bigger
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games, and this one is just this
one's a juicy matchup.
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So first of all, Brian, I'm
going to need you to play
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weatherman.
Give me the weather for what's
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the exact name of the town where
Army's located?
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I know it's on the east the the
river and everything.
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Mitchy Stadium.
Look up Mitchy Stadium.
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So this game Friday night it's
8:00 it's on ABC 2G5 teams like
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who are very good obviously Tech
any if you're if you're a tech
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fan, you remember playing this
two lane team in the bowl
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without players.
A lot of players left last year
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Army what a great fucking
season.
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Just straight up 10 and one the
game the army Navy game is going
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to be incredible this year.
They're both really good.
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They both run their offenses
efficiently.
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couple weeks, but this is a big
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one for the AACI don't think
either one of the I don't think
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Army can backdoor its way into
the playoffs with the win here
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based on where like UNL VS
ranked.
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But Friday night, 8:00, it's
cold right now on the East
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Coast.
Brian, let's get a little
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weather report.
What's going to be the
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temperature at kick off on
Friday night for this game?
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Let's see.
I'm getting there here.
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Let's see.
Looks like it's going to be 25.
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So 25° from a team that plays,
I'm not mistaken, Tulane still
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plays in the Superdome.
Yep, definitely against the
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elements in that one.
Tulane also coming off a hard
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loss to Memphis, which my for
some reason my oldest son, I
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guess he watched that game or
saw the score.
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He's like, yeah, Memphis won
dad.
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Big win for Ryan Silverfield,
Brian as well.
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It.
Was yeah, it looks like it's
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going to be between 25 and 27
depending on what, where you,
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where you look at kickoff so.
Cold, cold.
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All right.
Well, with all that being said,
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Brian, who you got?
Despite all of that, I I'm
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rolling with Tulane here.
I think they just have a little
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bit more they're a little bit
more dynamic both on offense and
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defense.
So I I think that's going to be
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the difference in the game.
I think they squeak one out, but
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army makes it very, very close.
All righty.
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I think Army's going to win this
game.
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I think Tulane, because if
Tulane had won that game last
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week, maybe a shot potentially
at a a bid.
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If they had held on and beaten
Memphis, I think Army, big
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bounce back for them.
Army wins.
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Yeah, I love army, but I got to
take I got to take two lane.
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I just think they got more
firepower and I think the Black
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Knights have been kind of a
little bit going on some some
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good luck here.
So I think Tulane will win.
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Yeah, Tally's ride with Army,
Miranda's ride with Army and
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Jason is ride with Army.
So shelved me and you were out
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there on our own on this one.
Curtis, you are on mute.
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Listen, Throne team, 25° weather
in the 15 mile an hour, winds
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falling off, but if they would,
I'd speak to them.
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All righty.
Finally, we get to the big ones
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because the next five games
effectively are going to be
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automatic bids into the into the
playoffs.
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Brian, you want to you want to
talk about this one a little
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bit?
Yeah, I mean, we got UNLV, we
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got Boise.
Yeah.
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This is a really, really
interesting match up.
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Like a little bit of contrasting
styles there.
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I'm liking what I've seen from
Boise.
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I think Boise holes Pat in their
their March into the College
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Football Playoff and in my
opinion, getting one of those
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automatic buys as well.
So give me Boise State and we'll
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talk about that later.
But yeah, we.
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Will teaser teaser.
All righty, y'all know these
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teams played one time already
and it was in Vegas, It was at
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Allegiant, it was a little bit
warmer.
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Did y'all know that was Ashan
Gente's worst game of the
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season?
He averaged under 4 yards to
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carry UNL VS rush defense,
ranked 10th in the nation, only
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given up 101 yards a game.
That was a 2 point game the
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first time.
It is at Boise.
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I'm sure it's going to be cold
as hell there.
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I'm actually interested to see
that.
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It's not going to change my
pick, but you know, Friday
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night, yeah, you know, it's
going to be about 40 at kickoff,
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so not terrible.
I think UNLV shakes up
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everything because right now
they're only two losses are to
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Boise in the overtime game
against Syracuse very early in
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the season.
Syracuse, obviously nine and
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three, had a great season.
I think UNLV pulls the massive
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upset and shakes up potentially
the CFP.
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All right.
Yeah, I'm a I'm a big Boise guy,
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so I'm biased here, but I'm
going Boise.
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I do think to Curtis's point,
you and Eveleigh is the one team
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in the country that can limit
Ash and Genti.
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So I do think this will be a
very close game, but I'll take
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Boise straight up.
Tally's riding with us, Sheldon,
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as is Miranda and Jason.
So, Curtis, you're out there on
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an island, babe.
Got got got to roll the dice
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occasionally at the end here all
righty plus I don't know where
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we stand picks wise.
I think I'm under 500.
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So you got to go opposite and
try to get ahead of y'all.
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All righty, let's get into the
Power 4 where on Saturday at
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noon down at ATT Stadium in
Arlington, TX, the house that
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Jerry built it is 10 and two
Iowa State at 10 and two or
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against 10 and 2 Arizona State.
I I think, I don't think
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anyone's shocked by Iowa State
being a good team this year.
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Matt Campbell's had numerous
good teams since he has been at
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Iowa State for the last few
years.
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But big shout out Kenny
Dillingham.
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I think this is the biggest
surprise of maybe the second
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biggest surprise.
Maybe not maybe the biggest
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surprise of all the P4 teams in
the championship game in my
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opinion, but what a season for
them.
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And Brian, anything add on top
of that anything you like,
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Sheldon, anything you like about
these teams?
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You know, it's just an
interesting match up.
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And I mean, we talked about how
the Big 12 shook out and there
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was kind of really, you know, 5
or 6 teams there at the end that
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could have, you know, made a run
here at the the conference
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championship game.
Colorado probably
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notwithstanding, these are
probably the the two best all
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year, you know, top to bottom.
So you know, seeing them in
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here, I think it's a it probably
the best outcome that you could
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have hoped for.
And.
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For this one, I'm going with the
the the team that has shocked
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everybody all year.
I'm I'm going with with Arizona
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State.
All righty.
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I'm up next on this one again.
I've already mentioned it.
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I think it's already there.
My love for Matt Campbell, Hell
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of a coach.
One of those guys two years ago,
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could we could we go get Matt
Campbell and bring him to Vt?
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He'd be a good culture fit here.
He had not been able to get over
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the Big 12 hump the last few
times they played in the
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championship game.
I think he cements this, let his
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legacy and gets to the playoff
with Iowa State. close game,
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war.
These teams, if you look at
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where they're rated, similar
defenses, similar offenses
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ratings wise, but I think Iowa
State takes this one in.
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Matt Campbell Ginson, it's his
legacy, is probably one of the
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better coaches in this era at a
school that hadn't won a hell of
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a lot before he got there.
Yeah, I'm taking Arizona State.
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You know, two programs here that
really just are are solid but
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not flashy.
I think I was really impressed
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with Arizona State's winner.
BYU kind of handled a very
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physical BYU team and I think
they can handle physical Iowa
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State team as well.
So and they got Ken Scudaboo,
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who's awesome.
Yes, Scataboo is pretty awesome.
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I'll I'll give you that shelf.
Yep, and Curtis, once again, you
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were out on an island.
It's because Tally, Miranda and
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Jason are riding with Arizona
State as well.
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It's the white running back
effect.
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If there's a good white running
back, people gravitate towards
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that.
I'm just being real.
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Come on.
Hey, hey.
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Peyton Hillis once made the
cover of Matt.
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Yeah.
He did.
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Wow he had like 1100 yards.
You wouldn't even like the 5th
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best running back that year.
He was white.
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At at some point that was more
meme than it was anything real.
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But you know what?
Sometimes you ride a meme.
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Sometimes you're out of meme.
All right, Ron, I'll let you
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leave.
This one is.
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It arguably the best team all
year in in college football.
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Oregon, you got Penn State.
Penn State's really had a year
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that I think was probably as
good or better than they
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expected.
I don't know if they necessarily
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saw themselves in this position
with the schedule that they had,
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but they put themselves here and
you know, Oregon's more or less
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handled their business all year.
So one of those classic, you
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wouldn't really say this is a
classic matchup from a a big 10
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standpoint.
You got Oregon in there.
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But I think this is this is a a
batch up that you expect when
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you talk about, you know, top
five teams meeting in the big 10
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for a chance to have that, you
know, in this case a bye for the
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the first round of the playoff
here, probably probably A at
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least a number one and #2 seed.
So I like Oregon in this one.
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They've been the best team all
year.
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I think they keep that up.
Yeah, Brian, you, you said a
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lot.
Oregon's been the best team all
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year, probably Penn State.
I mean say what you will.
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Probably their best season since
they won the Big 10 a few years
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ago because the Ohio State game,
they did not basic.
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They basically hung in there the
whole game.
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They just could not get enough
to finish it.
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Obviously.
I like what Jim said.
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That is a Rose Bowl match up,
but I favor Oregon in this one
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for one big reason.
It's going to be inside.
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I think if this was in the
elements, if this was let's
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think they moved it to Ohio and
put it in Cleveland or put in
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Cincinnati.
This championship game, I favor
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Penn State.
But I think being on that
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wonderful Dome that Lucas Oil is
that Ryan's so familiar with
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Give me Oregon and they solidify
the number one and they solidify
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going to the Rose Bowl.
Yes, I am taking Oregon.
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I just don't trust Franklin
enough in these types of games.
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And to Brian's point, Oregon is
at worst a top two team in the
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country.
Penn State is not on that level.
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There we go.
Tally's riding with us.
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Miranda's going Penn State,
Jason also going with Penn
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State.
I mean, isn't, I mean, let's be
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real before we jump to the next
game.
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I mean, obviously I think
everyone was expecting Ohio
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State to be in this game and for
the rematch from earlier in the
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season, which was an
unbelievable classic.
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The the, the question is, where
was Penn State?
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Where's Penn State's head?
Because I think let's be honest,
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going into the end of last week
as they prepared to play, who do
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they play?
Somebody help me out here.
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Y'all going to make me pull up?
Efforting, efforting, efforting.
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Do it.
You people like Maryland who
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fired their offensive
coordinator Dane Josh Gaddis,
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44, seven.
The the question is, how quick
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can they get up?
Because I think in their head
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was we're going to beat
Maryland, Ohio State's going to
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beat Michigan, and we're going
to be somewhere between 7:00 and
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9:00.
Where do we land?
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Are we on the road or are we at
home?
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And now with this happening,
Penn State's, if whether they
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win or whether they lose or they
get to buy, they're guaranteed a
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home game.
I do not see them go below 8 in
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this situation.
There you go all.
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Right.
Thanks, Jim.
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All righty.
Next we go down to Charlotte.
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Probably the game that has the
biggest implications in terms of
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which got which team gets in and
and which team doesn't in terms
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of at large.
If you looked at the College
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Football Playoff rankings and
the way they shook out today,
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very interesting to to see where
a certain team from Alabama was
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located on the on these
rankings.
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So this game, I think, has a lot
of a lot of odds at stake for
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what happens here.
Curtis, you're muted.
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Yeah, 100%, Brian, this is, you
know, like you said, it's so
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much riding.
Where do teams fall?
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What happens in this case, based
on what the playoff committee
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did tonight with their six
different ways of explaining why
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people are wearing things.
There's no fucking consistency.
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They have one goal, which is
they're going to try to get
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Alabama in the best they can.
That's all their goal is because
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they want that giant FPGA to be
there at some point for all
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viewership.
So with that being said,
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anything on this with Shelton
before you give your pick,
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Anything that's caught your eye
about either team?
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00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,320
Yeah, I think SMU is like
really, really talented.
447
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Top five offense in the country
per SP plus Clemson is a little
448
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
bit more balanced.
They've got a good offense and a
449
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,040
good defense, but not not
necessarily elites in neither 1.
450
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,400
I don't know.
I think I just think Lasha has
451
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
done a really good job.
It's kind of funny when when
452
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960
when SMU lost to BYU earlier in
the season, we thought, oh man,
453
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720
they must be overrated and they
almost lost to Nevada as well.
454
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,760
But it turns out BYU was also
really good.
455
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,720
So you just never know early in
the season.
456
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,800
I think I think SMU has just
done a great job.
457
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Brian early in the seasons and
rankings.
458
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,160
Don't get me started yet.
I'll, I'll, I'll be on that
459
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160
soapbox here shortly when we
start talking about who's who's
460
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,560
going to make the College
Football Playoff.
461
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,240
But as far as this one, I'm, I'm
going Clemson for a lot of
462
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
reasons.
But number one, I think if if
463
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920
you, if Clemson wins, I think
the ACC still gets two teams in.
464
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160
I think Miami's getting fucked
at this point regardless.
465
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Yeah, this is going to obviously
be SMU's toughest task to date.
466
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Clemson just got out of war with
South Carolina, where they could
467
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,120
have easily have won that game
and been 10 and 2 coming into
468
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,760
this game, probably ranked one
spot behind them, probably
469
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,440
pushed everybody down a little
bit.
470
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,000
And honestly, I think crowds
going to be in their favorites
471
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,760
of what, 90 minute drive up from
Clemson up to Charlotte.
472
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,600
I think Clemson wins a game, but
I think this is probably going
473
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,520
to be the most entertaining game
of the weekend.
474
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,760
I think the game is going to go,
it's going to hit the over, but
475
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,160
I think Clemson sneaks out like
a three to five point win.
476
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800
This one is tough.
I think Clemson has the better
477
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,480
staff, or perhaps I should say
the more proven staff, but I
478
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
just think SMU has more talent
across the board.
479
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,720
So I'm thinking SMU, but I'm I'm
fully aware that Clemson might
480
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,880
very well make this a game.
Yeah, Tally.
481
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Tally is going with Clemson as
well.
482
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Miranda, Clemson and Jason is
riding with you, Sheldon.
483
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Oh man.
Yeah, saddle up.
484
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Yeah, saddle up on your Mustangs
Air boys.
485
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Yeah, all righty.
So one last game to pick and
486
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,280
this is the one Jason's gambling
on.
487
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,240
So we have to put this last, but
he's going to Atlanta for
488
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Georgia and Texas.
Hey folks, welcome back to one
489
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
more week of guitar licks and
gambling picks.
490
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,040
I'm Jason Long.
It is championship week and here
491
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,680
on the Boundary Corner podcast
we're picking every game, but
492
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,360
the one I'm most excited about
is the SEC championship between
493
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Georgia and Texas.
Now, a few weeks ago when this
494
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,800
game was played the first time,
I picked Texas, and of course,
495
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,800
Georgia went on to win and I
lost money.
496
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360
This time around though, Texas
is traveling to Atlanta.
497
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,880
I think that's going to be a
huge advantage for Georgia.
498
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,920
So I'm going to flip it.
I'm picking the Bulldogs to beat
499
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,120
the Longhorns this weekend in
the SEC Championship game and a
500
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,480
move on to that College Football
Playoffs.
501
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Now, before we move on, I want
to take a look at my season.
502
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Now, I've done 14 of these.
Technically I'm 6:00 and 8:00,
503
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,440
but I did give you a / a few
weeks ago that hit.
504
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,720
That makes me 7:00 and 8:00.
But that is still a losing
505
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,560
season so I apologize to anybody
who might have been riding along
506
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,120
with me and lost money this
year.
507
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
That being said, hey, that's the
risk you take when you're
508
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,960
gambling, so I want to leave you
all with the best advice I ever
509
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:09,360
received.
You got no one to hold, no one
510
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:18,600
to walkway when run.
You don't count your money when
511
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,560
you'll sit and head table the
man time and don't come when the
512
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:31,400
demons done.
You got nowhere to hold, nowhere
513
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,440
to follow, no in the walkway and
no in the run.
514
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,520
You don't count your money when
you'll sit and head table.
515
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,680
There'll be time in the count
when the deal is done.
516
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,200
So happy but responsible
gambling this weekend folks.
517
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Now don't y'all forget.
Check out my website
518
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,920
jasonlongmusic.com to hear all
of my music.
519
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,200
Find out when I'm playing live.
I've had a ball doing these and
520
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
I'll see y'all next time.
Have a good one.
521
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,920
All righty.
So Jason going with the dogs.
522
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Literally.
And figuratively, literally and
523
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,200
figuratively because the line, I
do believe it is like a one
524
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560
point favorite.
Again, that's another reason we
525
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,200
didn't do lines this week
because I think the biggest
526
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,640
line, let me look this up.
I just want to make sure I'm I
527
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,440
think the biggest line is 4 this
week.
528
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Let me get up to my GAMBLING
SITE here.
529
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800
I just want to confirm this.
Yeah, I think, I think there was
530
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,480
a couple 3 and a halfs.
It's a 5 1/2 is the biggest line
531
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,520
this week.
This game is Texas 2 and A.
532
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Half, yeah.
That's why we did it this way
533
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200
'cause we're just two and a
half, 3 1/2, even 55's, not a
534
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000
lot.
You get to that areas where it's
535
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,360
basically a pickle anyway, so.
With so many teams getting rid
536
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,920
of divisions, now you're you're
getting the, you're literally
537
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,560
getting the two best teams in in
each of these conferences.
538
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,280
There's not going to be that big
of a gap in most of these cases.
539
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,360
So and when we look at it, you
know, a match up like Georgia
540
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,199
and Texas here that that goes
double.
541
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,960
I'm going back to the well here
with my reasoning it it's hard
542
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,920
to beat A-Team twice.
He is.
543
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Texas, the first time they
played in Austin was still one
544
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719
of the best things I've ever
seen and should be done more.
545
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,880
When referees buck up calls,
just throw beer cans at them and
546
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,760
eventually they will get
together and make the right
547
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,400
call.
That should be done more at
548
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,360
games.
It should not be penalized.
549
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,240
You know what?
Because for honest truth is, can
550
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,160
we go back to Georgia, Georgia
Tech real quick last week, those
551
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,920
were three of the most atrocious
calls I've ever seen.
552
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,560
One way, the two PIS and the
hold, the hold that was not
553
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,440
called.
I think people should be allowed
554
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
to punch refs in faces when they
blow that bad of a call.
555
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,960
I think it's fair.
You just hurt my emotions.
556
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,280
I'm going to hurt your face now
guys, how do y'all feel about
557
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,120
that?
Not going to say anything, are
558
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,160
you?
I do kid about that by the way.
559
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,360
But there is no consequences.
It's something that I'll say.
560
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,680
You put that up there, James,
the it's the big A they're going
561
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,920
to put, they could lose seven
games and they're going to put
562
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,320
them in the year they put a six
and six Alabama in is the year
563
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,320
literally just quit watching
college football because it's
564
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,080
never about what's going on on
the field.
565
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,680
But reality is if y'all had, I
know some of y'all listen to
566
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Josh Pate.
I occasionally do.
567
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Even if he gets in his SEC bag,
He is right.
568
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,080
There is an officiating problem
in college and it does need to
569
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560
be fixed.
But as far as it goes for this
570
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,760
game, Quinn Ewers first time
they played was coming off an
571
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,720
injury.
He is still a little banged up
572
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,200
but not as bad as he was.
Played a great game against A&M
573
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,200
by the way.
They should have blown out A&M.
574
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,280
You fumble the ball multiple
times inside the 10 yard line.
575
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400
I think Texas wins by a
touchdown.
576
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Yeah, Texas lost to Georgia
once.
577
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,360
It's not going to happen again.
Taking Texas.
578
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920
There we go.
Hook em, he says.
579
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Hook Em, Hook em Another another
hooker from Tally.
580
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600
He'll come from Miranda and we
know that Jason is riding with
581
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,680
the dogs.
Jason.
582
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Jason's on the ledge by himself
on this one.
583
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,800
Everybody else is riding with
the Longhorns.
584
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,360
All righty.
So let's take that down and
585
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,120
let's do a little brief
discussion because we are what I
586
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,480
did want to do.
And Shelton, I know we didn't
587
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040
get yours, but I'm sure you've
got it somewhere jotted down is
588
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
what's your 12's going to be
after the weekend?
589
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,320
We're going to do that in just a
second.
590
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,640
But Brian, let's go, man,
because I know it.
591
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,920
If you've listened to this
program for the last five years,
592
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,840
that's one thing.
Brian Siegler hates, I mean
593
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,240
hates with a passion.
And Brian?
594
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,800
We still see the preseason
rankings rearing their ugly head
595
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
this deep into the college
football season.
596
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,080
And I know it's hard to get away
from power rankings and stuff
597
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,800
like that.
But when we put out these
598
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,240
official like the, these are the
top 12 teams in the country.
599
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:55,000
And the the problem we get is
that we base quality of wins off
600
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,040
of data that we don't really
know was good.
601
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,640
And it just, you know, it's,
it's the whole bad data in bad
602
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,920
data out philosophy.
And it takes a while to really
603
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280
get to a point where, you know,
you can actually make some,
604
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:20,320
some, some some solid inferences
from the, the winds that you're
605
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,720
seeing on the field.
And, and we end up making a lot
606
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,400
of those inferences in
September.
607
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,800
And those really aren't telling
us a whole lot.
608
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160
So now we're at a point where,
you know, Alabama still hanging
609
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
around with three losses.
Two of them are, I would
610
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,040
consider bad losses to, to teams
that barely scraped into a bowl
611
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
game this year in Oklahoma and
and Vanderbilt.
612
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160
And Vanderbilt definitely is a
better team than I think a lot
613
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,400
of people gave them credit for,
full stop.
614
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,200
But they are still a team that
is 6 and 6.
615
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Oklahoma is still a seven and
five team that, you know, got
616
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,360
blown out by a, a couple of
average to, to, to slightly
617
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,240
above average teams throughout
this season.
618
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:11,480
So to go in there and just curb
stomp Alabama, that, that that's
619
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,960
a bad loss for them.
And, and I think that the
620
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,760
problem that we have with we, we
talked about it last year.
621
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,520
We're we're talking about it
again this year.
622
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Is that with the, the problem
with the committee in general is
623
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000
that number one, I think they
still do.
624
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Even though they don't put their
rankings out until later, they
625
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,680
are still colored and shaded by
what pre season rankings are.
626
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:42,640
And add to the fact that I don't
think they give losses and the
627
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,920
on the field outcome enough
weight compared to the eye test.
628
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,880
I feel like so much is eye test
and OK, well, you know, who did
629
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,960
you play?
And, and, and it's kind of funny
630
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,640
because we were looking at I
think we were looking to
631
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,320
strength of schedule, Curtis and
you know, we compared I think it
632
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,360
was SMU in Alabama and they're
like 70 and 71 or something like
633
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:08,880
that.
You.
634
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,400
Were you weren't?
You weren't looking at that.
635
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,840
You were looking at something
else.
636
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,040
You were looking at another
metric.
637
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,280
It was not strength of schedule.
I don't know what you were
638
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,240
looking at.
Shelton might know.
639
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Anyway, there there was a metric
we were looking at that that had
640
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,800
them, you know, within, within a
margin of each other.
641
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880
And, and, and when we look at
some of the other pieces here,
642
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,520
like when we look at, like I
said, Alabama in particular, but
643
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600
they're, you can make a case
for, for, for some of these
644
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,920
other teams as well as that, you
know, we, we need to I think
645
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,320
penalize teams for bad losses
more than we are and more than
646
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
the College Football Playoff has
historically.
647
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Losses in general.
Yeah, losses in general, but bad
648
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,800
losses even more so.
So that that's my soapbox.
649
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,280
I'll let I'll pass it on to
Curtis and Sheldon here to to to
650
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
add their two cents here.
Well, I want to pitch to Shelton
651
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
because Sheldon, you're our,
you're our dad on stats guy.
652
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,720
Do you believe there is
something out there that is an
653
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,120
unbiased metric that's not
looking at polls?
654
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,240
What do you feel like if if you
were, if they called you
655
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,240
tomorrow, somehow they, they,
they found this and they found
656
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,840
this as a smart kid.
Let's put him in charge.
657
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,680
Is there a certain metric or is
there a certain data point out
658
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,000
there?
Do you say that could be the
659
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,800
beginning of the methodology
right here?
660
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,800
Honestly, look, there's no such
thing as a perfect stat.
661
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Like at the end of the day, you
know, there's always going to be
662
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,240
different numbers that can
portray something a different
663
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,440
way.
You know, you could look at, you
664
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,880
know, top 25 wins or strength of
record, strength of schedule.
665
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,240
Like it's just, you know, when
you're dealing with numbers and
666
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,400
stats, there's always a
different way you can present
667
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,640
something.
And so I, I certainly don't envy
668
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,440
the, the position of the
committee just because there's
669
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
only, you know, 12 teams, A12
game season, pretty limited
670
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,240
sample size.
If we just don't have the body
671
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,080
of work to really, I guess, hash
out a, a true representation of,
672
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,680
of what each team really is.
Because, you know, I, I saw
673
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,200
David Hale there, they had this
tweet where he, you know, made a
674
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,960
case for why every top 20, top
25 team was actually bad, you
675
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,040
know, looking at all their bad
losses and they're, you know, if
676
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,440
they have a bad check of the
schedule and so forth.
677
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040
So I mean, I mean, everyone kind
of beats everyone in college
678
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400
football.
So at some point you do have to,
679
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,640
you know, kind of acknowledge
that.
680
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,320
But, you know, I guess to answer
the question, you know, I'm a
681
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,080
big fan of strength of record,
looking at the overall quality
682
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,400
of wins in, in terms of a
qualitative judgment.
683
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,400
You know, I don't like looking
at, say, for instance, win loss
684
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,360
record versus top 20 teams or
Top 40 teams or, you know, wins
685
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,200
over 500 because that's a very
narrowly defined subset.
686
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,240
And it is sort of like a, you
know, self self fulfilling
687
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,720
prophecy.
If you beat a team that finishes
688
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,320
five and seven, you don't get
credit for A500 win, but if you
689
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,720
lose to them, they're six and
six and that counts as a loss.
690
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,440
So you know, that kind of makes
itself.
691
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,120
So I mean, there's ways I think,
I think with, you know, today's
692
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,520
analytics and everything, like
there's ways you can have, you
693
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,480
know, much better judgments for
evaluating teams, again, like
694
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,080
strength of record.
But I just think it, it just
695
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,040
seems like, you know, people,
people are always going to be
696
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,320
unhappy, I guess.
And so I don't, you know,
697
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,560
necessarily criticize the
committee too much.
698
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,800
But I do think in general, they
tend to sort of work backwards
699
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,080
from their conclusions.
Like they work backwards from
700
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,360
like, OK, what is the best SC
team?
701
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640
And let's try to, you know,
vouch for them and they'll,
702
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
they'll look at anything, any
stat that would that justifies
703
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,440
their argument, they'll, they'll
go with that.
704
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,480
So I don't know.
I, I just don't think they have
705
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,360
a very clear process for how
they kind of evaluate things.
706
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120
It kind of changes every year.
Well, you know what I dislike
707
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,480
and it and it happened tonight
with the committee chair is data
708
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
value different things for
different teams.
709
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,080
That's where I get upset.
Like this is they're really good
710
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,800
because of this.
Well, they're better than them
711
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,320
at that.
Oh, well, that we're not going
712
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,600
to look at that.
We're going to look at this for
713
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,840
this one and then this for this
one.
714
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,960
It's like, So what you're saying
is your real goal is you want
715
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,880
the biggest brands in.
That's all they should say.
716
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,000
I wish they would just say it.
If they just fucking say it.
717
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Hey, is what it is.
We get it.
718
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Hey, remember when we were in
school and there was like, you
719
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,760
know, you'd write a paper and
there'd be a fucking rubric for
720
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,560
the paper, right?
Yeah, give me a fucking college
721
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,520
football rubric and give me all
right, this is weighted this
722
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,280
many points.
This is weighted this many
723
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,520
points.
So at least we can understand
724
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,440
the process.
And because when you when you
725
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,240
have a boy more transparent
process, you can at least say,
726
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,000
OK, well, you can point to this
and say This is why this team is
727
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
better.
You might not agree with it, but
728
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
there is at least a
justification behind that.
729
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,400
It's not moving the goal post.
It's not whatever the dollars
730
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,320
and the ayes say.
It's at least a very fixed
731
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,000
matter of getting to the end
point there.
732
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,120
You're on mute, Curtis.
But here's the thing, if they
733
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,840
did that in the beginning, then
they couldn't justify certain
734
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,120
teams because if one people in
the the bad metrics and it's
735
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,160
like, Hey, that's what you said
you'd go by and we really like
736
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,480
that team.
We leave that team in like, no,
737
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,160
but I'm with you, Brian.
If you actually were to put a
738
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040
rubric out there like that and
have everything in the way it's
739
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,120
weighted, then there'd be no
questions.
740
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Because then also as certain
people fell into certain
741
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
rubrics, they couldn't back off
of it be like, no, this is this
742
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,280
is your methodology.
This is what you're saying is
743
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,400
going to determine the best 12
teams.
744
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,600
Yeah, there's always going to be
that like 1 anomaly team that
745
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,240
doesn't has a really good
record, but doesn't check very
746
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,760
many boxes.
And then on the on the flip
747
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,160
side, there's going to be a team
that may not have the best
748
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
record, but they check a handful
more boxes.
749
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,720
And this at least gives you kind
of a step by step way of
750
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,240
justifying putting that one team
in over the other or vice versa.
751
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Because right now we, it feels
like we're cherry picking
752
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:08,760
whatever stat we we can to get
the, the lowest SEC team in that
753
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,960
still has a chance into this
thing every year, whether it's
754
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:20,680
four or or 12. 100% I am looking
currently at the AP poll at the
755
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,960
beginning of the season.
Let's see how good they were.
756
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,680
You all ready?
Yep, Georgia was number one.
757
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:34,080
They've had a solid season.
Ohio State Say what you will,
758
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,160
they've won 10.
Games.
759
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Both of those are within the
margin of error.
760
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,480
Right margin of error.
Marriage and error.
761
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,320
Oregon ranked number three.
Yeah.
762
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Texas #4 Alabama's five.
Ole Missus 6.
763
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Notre Dame 7.
Penn State 8.
764
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,480
This is where it gets fun.
Brian #9 y'all remember who the
765
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,720
number 9 team was this year?
This is the number Michigan.
766
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Michigan.
OK, Florida State was 11, right?
767
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,360
Florida State was 10.
Florida State was 10.
768
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640
OK.
OK, so there's that value where
769
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
you're talking about now Florida
State within the first month, no
770
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,920
one value to win over them,
might even do the doors off
771
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,280
them.
But you know what I could say?
772
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Well, they were top ten at one
point.
773
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Shouldn't that matter?
No, no, no, that doesn't matter.
774
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,240
Guess who 11 was?
And this one's going to piss you
775
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,320
off.
Who's that?
776
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,240
Missouri and Missouri still
ranked 25th.
777
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Then we get to Utah.
Bad season for the utes LSU fell
778
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,720
out of the top 25 with losses.
Clemson still hanging in
779
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,120
Tennessee.
Great season after being ranked
780
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,520
15th.
Oklahoma was preseason ranked
781
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,920
16th.
Oklahoma State was 17th.
782
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,760
They didn't want a conference
game.
783
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,120
They didn't want a conference
game.
784
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,880
Beat Arkansas.
Arkansas beat Tennessee.
785
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,360
So tell me how that makes sense,
doesn't It's why you play the
786
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,400
game on the field and wins the
most important Kansas State, who
787
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,000
just fell out, and then Miami.
This is the bottom of the top
788
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,480
25.
Texas A&M, Kansas, USC, North
789
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Carolina State, Iowa, they
basically it's a coin flip if
790
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,600
they've got any of them, a coin
flip.
791
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,680
And this is where Brian's point
always becomes big.
792
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,960
This is what we're basing things
off of.
793
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,640
This is what we're looking at
the beginning, because in this
794
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,480
sense, Missouri is 9 and three.
Missouri is not a, is not a top
795
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,360
25 team.
They really aren't, but they
796
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,960
stick in there because they
started at 11 and they never got
797
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,160
below 3 losses.
We're A-Team like Duke or
798
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Syracuse.
I don't, I know they both beat
799
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
us.
Pisses me off.
800
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,240
They're both nine and three.
Only Syracuse got ranked.
801
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,400
So hey, all right, so real
quick, we we've talked about the
802
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,000
College Football Playoff.
Let's lean into it.
803
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,680
I'm going to start with you,
Sheldon, because I don't have
804
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,320
your stuff up here.
So you've got your predictions
805
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,240
in for the conference
championship games.
806
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,440
What do you think?
Just go your top 12.
807
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:24,000
Obviously, we can figure out who
the four bys are by reading it
808
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,200
down.
Yeah, so bys Oregon, Texas, SMU,
809
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,840
Boise, and then at large Penn
State, Notre Dame, Georgia,
810
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:41,080
Tennessee, Ohio State, Indiana,
reluctantly Alabama, and then
811
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Arizona State as the final AQ.
All right.
812
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Which if you look at that,
what's your most intriguing
813
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,640
first floor matchup?
Let me see Penn State, Arizona,
814
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Notre Dame, Alabama, George,
Indiana.
815
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,560
I don't know.
I guess I'd go Notre Dame
816
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Alabama because that game is
interesting.
817
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Because if I had to guess,
Alabama, Alabama will be a
818
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,560
slight underdog because they're
on the road.
819
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,200
But if that game were played on
neutral field, I think Alabama
820
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
would probably be favored.
They've actually under, they've
821
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,080
underperformed from their
metrics a little bit.
822
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,200
So I, I do think they're,
they're probably qualitatively
823
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,400
better than people think they
are.
824
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,800
But that would be a really,
really close game.
825
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,720
And I do think people are under
selling Alvin a little bit.
826
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,680
I know they aren't what they
used to be, but they've still
827
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,240
got some good football in them.
So I'd be, I'd be very
828
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,640
interested to see what, what
would be into made of a matchup
829
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,080
like that.
All right, Brian, what about
830
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,680
you?
All right, so AQ buys, I've got
831
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Oregon, Texas, Boise, Clemson at
large and this is in order of
832
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,280
rank is going to be Notre Dame,
Penn State, Georgia, Ohio State,
833
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Tennessee, Indiana, Arizona
State, SMU all.
834
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,760
Right.
So looking at your core or your
835
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,120
your first four games, which one
intrigues you the most?
836
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,920
You know, looking at this man,
it's going to be, I got a couple
837
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
like, you know, clash of styles
here.
838
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,000
I think my most intriguing is
going to be Arizona State at
839
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Happy Valley Penn State.
Hey, White running back
840
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
downhill.
Yeah, exactly.
841
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,440
I mean, it's, it's good.
I think that's interesting.
842
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,520
I could, I could point to Notre
Dame and SMU for very similar
843
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,040
reasons, but I think I'll go
with, with Penn State.
844
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,400
Arizona State, probably least
intriguing is going to be
845
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Georgia.
Indiana could be interesting,
846
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,800
but I, I feel like that's,
that's going to be, I think
847
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Georgia handles them fairly
well.
848
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,400
Ohio State, Tennessee I think is
going to be an interesting one
849
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,720
as well.
But in just in terms of like
850
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,960
thinking of where it is, what
the weather is going to be like,
851
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:14,120
style of play, it's it's got to
be Penn State, Arizona State for
852
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,680
me.
All righty.
853
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,480
I'll give mine real quick here.
So automatic qualifiers, Oregon,
854
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,240
Texas, Iowa State, Clemson,
those are 4A QS.
855
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,840
Then it goes as follows, Notre
Dame, Penn State, Georgia,
856
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Tennessee, Ohio State, SMU and
then UNLV.
857
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,120
My most intriguing game of those
is Tennessee, Ohio State.
858
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
It really is.
And the reason I say that
859
00:52:52,600 --> 00:53:00,360
because if I'm not mistaken, the
8-9 goes to the goes to the one,
860
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,960
right?
Yes, a nine goes to one.
861
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,240
I'm more intrigued by that game
there because a Tennessee is one
862
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,360
of those places.
It's in the hills, it's in the
863
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,640
mountains, It's cold.
There is no effectively
864
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,760
advantage for a for them with
Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio is
865
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,960
cold.
But the question is, can Ohio
866
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,560
State actually get to the level
where they can play?
867
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,880
And I mean, when I say that, can
they get to the level with all
868
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,120
that talent?
That's the one.
869
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,640
Like, if, if you ask me right
now, that would be your Saturday
870
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,680
night 8:00 game, probably the
Notre Dame.
871
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Look who's joined us, finally.
Can can Ryan Day win a big game
872
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,520
that matters?
Who knows, man, But I think,
873
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,680
hey, he's here.
What's happening?
874
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Tally.
I made it.
875
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,280
You barely.
You are barely bare.
876
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,120
You all good, man?
You all good.
877
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,280
We just get in here telling lies
about what the top 12 is going
878
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,320
to be.
Shelter's got Alabama in.
879
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,880
I got them out.
Everybody but have Alabama in,
880
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,280
they're in.
They ain't letting them out.
881
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,040
They got, they got to have that
money.
882
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,600
They got to have that better
money.
883
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Tally's saying the whole team
could get sick and die and they
884
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,520
somehow put them in.
Right.
885
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,560
They put them in man, once.
I once I knew they weren't going
886
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,960
once they had a couple of
convincing wins and I and they
887
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,800
weren't going to the SEC
Championship.
888
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,800
So it was no way for them to to
lose that game.
889
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,720
I said yeah, they did.
As as as soon as I saw them at
890
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,080
11 and not 12, I was like, they
really going to try to get them
891
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,480
in.
They they, they really going to
892
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,560
get them in.
They going to try, they going to
893
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,080
try their damnedest out.
I think, you know, SMU losing
894
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,120
could throw some some, some some
janky stuff in there.
895
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:56,040
I think if SMU was behind, who
is it behind Indiana?
896
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,600
They would definitely.
They wouldn't.
897
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,000
They wouldn't survive it.
They wouldn't.
898
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Survive a loss.
I think being in front of
899
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,520
Indiana, it's going to be
interesting.
900
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,040
It's.
Going to be interesting because
901
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:09,360
do you drop like in my position
here I got UNLV, do you drop
902
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,400
them two spots?
That's it.
903
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,480
You got you got UNLV jumping I
and I.
904
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,680
I get what you're doing.
I don't foresee that scenario.
905
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Well, again, I looked at that
game from earlier this season
906
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,680
and when you hold Janetti to
under 4 yards, you carry.
907
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,240
I think they can do it again and
that's why I think they can pull
908
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,320
the upset because again, they
got to beat them twice in the
909
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,480
same seat.
Yeah, and that's the thing
910
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,120
that's.
Oh, go ahead.
911
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,600
No.
No, go ahead.
912
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,520
I'll just say that's the thing
like about Texas and Texas and
913
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Georgia, you know what I'm I'm
saying it's like you got to play
914
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,720
somebody twice.
It's in the season.
915
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,880
It's rough to beat you somebody
twice, you know what I'm saying?
916
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:00,600
But both of.
Oh oh, we lost your mic tally.
917
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,560
We got the Alabama buffer.
Going y'all lose me?
918
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,440
We lost your mic.
That was weird.
919
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Like you're still moving normal
and everything.
920
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,320
Yeah, it's going to be
interesting.
921
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,480
I mean, and, and, and, and I
don't know if you got a chance
922
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,280
to get your who you think the
12's going to be.
923
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Obviously Alabama's going to be
#11 or #12 per you.
924
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,360
Let's just put that on there Is
you're looking kind of that in
925
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,560
your head about what could break
out because you've got, let me
926
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,760
just put it up here, tally, just
so you can get your points in
927
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,800
the air because you got Texas
winning, you got Clemson
928
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,480
winning.
You got found it out here.
929
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,160
You got Arizona State winning,
you got Boise winning.
930
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,160
So you're saying boys is going
to get a buy?
931
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Yeah, I think boys are going to
win and get a buy.
932
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Boys are wins and gets a buy and
you got Oregon.
933
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,120
So I mean, as you look at the
other teams that are going to
934
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,440
make it, do you think I'll ask
you this, do you think it's
935
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,360
going to be Notre Dame, Alabama
on that on the 20 or 21st?
936
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,520
Are they going to make that game
that the the like the prized
937
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,920
game of the week?
Probably.
938
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,560
I mean, that's, that's, that's a
good, yeah, that's a good set
939
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,640
up, you know what I'm saying?
Because you're bringing two big
940
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
money markets together and
that's what they want.
941
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,240
And it's got some history.
Even though Manti Te'o's
942
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,880
girlfriend wasn't real and I
think the last time they played
943
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,640
each other and all of that.
But yeah, that they want, they
944
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,200
want something like that.
That's we'll probably see
945
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,560
something like that.
And that stuff we expect as fans
946
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,080
to that stuff.
That's one reason we all get
947
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,360
excited about the playoff, that
a a lot more teams have the
948
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,720
opportunity to get a chance to
go play, potentially win and
949
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,760
then the big matchups.
And then it's going to be big
950
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,680
matchups not at bowl games, but
at home fields.
951
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Because tally it.
It was like 56 down there today.
952
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,480
It was like 21 up in South Bend.
It's probably like 15 there
953
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,200
tonight and that I think they
make.
954
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,160
That no, it was like, it's like
39 here.
955
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,000
That was during the day.
Yeah, it's like 30.
956
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,000
I think it got up to like 42.
It's been cold.
957
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,640
Hey, it's cold here too, man.
We What do we do?
958
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,880
Here.
I'm I'm wearing layers.
959
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,640
If I'm wearing layers, it's cold
out.
960
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:24,160
It's.
Cold.
961
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,080
It's cold.
All right.
962
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200
Yeah, There you go.
That's the way.
963
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,280
That's the way a lot of people
are feeling right now, Robbie.
964
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,600
So you put it out there.
Tally, tally, Robbie's on board
965
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,160
with you here.
Yeah, Think we'll let him loose.
966
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,440
All right, well, let's get to
it.
967
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,000
We went through big screeners.
We talked about the playoff.
968
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Let's get to what happened on
Saturday night at Lane Stadium.
969
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,120
Let's do a little tell the truth
on Tuesday and y'all tell me
970
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,800
tell me what y'all feel.
I don't care who starts and what
971
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,520
it's about.
Just tell me what you feel.
972
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,640
We go six and six.
We make a bowl again.
973
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,000
Yay.
Guess I'm happy about that.
974
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Me and tally people get probably
roasted us all them too, dummy
975
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,000
Say UVA was going to win.
I'm Yeah what we were in our
976
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,440
feelings last week.
Yeah, that's all I'm going to
977
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,920
say.
We were in our fields last week
978
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
so but.
What everybody forgot for a
979
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,640
second that UVA is ass.
There you go.
980
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,160
But what in what in y'all's
opinion?
981
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Y'all love Saturday night?
What went well for y'all?
982
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,000
I love seeing the two best
players on the team eat one last
983
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,400
time.
APR facial tube.
984
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,520
Love seeing that.
Sheldon, what about you?
985
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Man, well, I missed, I missed a
good check of the first half.
986
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,320
I caught most of the
second-half.
987
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,200
I did.
I did rewatch the majority of
988
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,880
the first half a couple days
ago, but I don't know, I mean, I
989
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,200
thought I thought Pop was really
good.
990
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,240
They it seemed like they kind of
structured the passing game
991
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,640
around the strengths, you know,
kind of mostly rolling them out,
992
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,840
you know, quick reads, nothing
too complex and deep shots to
993
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,160
kind of protect him a little
bit.
994
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,680
So I thought Bowen did a really
good job of kind of managing the
995
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,360
game with Pop and they kind of
maximize, maximize the skill
996
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,800
sets.
Yeah, deep shots, RP OS
997
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,640
rollouts, I mean, that was
basically basically what they
998
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,320
went with.
And they I mean, it was a it was
999
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,560
a key to success and they did a
good job executing.
1000
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,880
And I think pop the, the one
thing I noticed about pop is in
1001
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,480
in this is I think even better
compared to, you know, what we
1002
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,560
saw the week before with the
week of practice against the UVA
1003
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,840
team.
So we'll, we'll caveat it there.
1004
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Pretty decisive with with
whether it was running the
1005
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,400
football, whether it was keeping
it, whether it was getting the
1006
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,440
ball out of his hands on the
RPO.
1007
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,760
He he made decisions pretty
quick and kind of rode with
1008
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,720
that.
It wasn't any second guessing or
1009
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,280
pussyfoot did the back feel like
when when he made a decision to
1010
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,200
do something he did it.
Kylie, what about you, man?
1011
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,120
What?
What caught your eye Saturday?
1012
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,240
Sitting there at the hell?
Probably eating some leftovers,
1013
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,800
having a drink.
Yeah, no, a little bit of that,
1014
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,520
a little bit of none of that.
But yeah, just they mainly, it
1015
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,920
was like they knew they was
better than UVA.
1016
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,400
They went out and and played
like they were better.
1017
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,600
Like the coaches coached like
they weren't scared.
1018
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,160
They coached like they knew they
was going to win.
1019
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,480
The players act like they knew
they were going to win.
1020
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
We just went in the game and
played, you know what I'm
1021
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200
saying?
If we went into some other games
1022
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,440
like that instead of being like,
well, shoot, we can't do this
1023
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,960
because this person might get
hurt or we can't do this because
1024
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,080
we may lose.
We probably would have won.
1025
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,000
So I just feel like they knew
they would have better team and
1026
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,400
they just went, but they've been
doing that like it's it's been
1027
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,080
happening.
When they know that better than
1028
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,400
the team, they go play.
If they think it's a chance that
1029
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,400
we could lose, we get a hold on,
we might shouldn't do that.
1030
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,080
We may should try this.
I don't know, man, but what went
1031
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,320
well where we just knew we were
better than them and we went and
1032
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,880
played like it.
Tally we, we've talked about
1033
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,280
this a lot with like the
confidence of this team and
1034
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,880
maybe even specific players too.
When this team plays with
1035
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,320
confidence, whether it's players
coaches, they're a different
1036
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,960
team.
They, they, they look like what
1037
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,640
we expected them to be from the
start of the season to the end
1038
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,840
of the season, when they play
with that type of confidence and
1039
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,560
when they coach with that type
of confidence.
1040
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,200
And you know, we talked about
some games them getting
1041
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,760
conservative on offense and
defense.
1042
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,320
And we didn't really, you know,
when, when UVA started moving
1043
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,880
the football on defense against
our defense, I mean, we didn't
1044
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,640
hold back on offense.
We, we, we leaned on what we do.
1045
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,920
Well, we got up there, got
another touchdown, put the game
1046
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,040
out of reach.
And, and that's, that was that.
1047
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,280
I think we we didn't overthink
it like we have in some of those
1048
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,960
other games where, you know, the
asshole is a little tight and
1049
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,040
we're not playing with that type
of confidence or coaching with
1050
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:55,840
that type.
Of confidence.
1051
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,520
I love what you said, Tally
right there about how when we
1052
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,960
know we're better than a team,
the confidence shows.
1053
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,200
When we think about it, we have
moments, but we also in those
1054
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,880
moments, there are some moments
where it's just like go to
1055
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,440
Miami, 17 1/2 point underdogs.
And we just played in that
1056
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,680
throughout that whole game, even
up to the last Hail Mary throw.
1057
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,160
We can win this game.
We can win this game.
1058
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Go to parts of the second-half
of Vanderbilt way back in
1059
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,080
August, Think about it.
And oh man, this isn't good.
1060
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,280
And then the second-half starts
rolling.
1061
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,600
It's like we can win this game.
And then what happens?
1062
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,960
We have one bad thing and then
it just snowballs.
1063
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,560
And that to me is on coaching
more than it is kids.
1064
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,360
These are 17 to 23 and some 24
year old guys out there.
1065
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,040
Again, Sheldon, you're like 25.
You're just you're getting past
1066
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,200
that age. 26 Don't tell me
short.
1067
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,400
You know, I was telling you a
little bit younger, but you're
1068
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,000
26.
And The thing is, everybody has
1069
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,480
that when you're in your 20s.
You can have you can, you can
1070
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,920
have everything going for you in
the world.
1071
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,200
And then one bad thing happens
and it you up, straight up,
1072
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,200
whether it be a bad grade fight
with your girlfriend, fight with
1073
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240
a friend, it can match you up.
And these guys are asked to do
1074
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,600
this every week.
I'm going to go same route.
1075
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Brian, you mentioned APR 8
because he was creating chaos. 3
1076
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,160
sacks should have got that
phone.
1077
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,920
I'm still trying to figure out
how he did not get that fumble
1078
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,880
recovery in my life.
But I'm going to ask you all
1079
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,160
this.
To me, there's a Pantheon or a
1080
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,640
Rushmore, 4 defensive ends in
Virginia Tech history that go up
1081
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:37,600
there.
Bruce Smith, Corey Moore, Daryl
1082
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,360
Tap, and I'm blanking on the guy
from Lynchburg to play the
1083
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,080
glass.
Brown, Cornell Brown.
1084
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,400
With the seasons he's had, I
love Daryl Tap.
1085
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,040
We've interviewed him.
Does he bump Daryl Tap off to
1086
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,560
Rushmore and is he effectively
the defensive end?
1087
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Rushmore.
I mean you can definitely make
1088
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,520
that argument.
I think if if he played one more
1089
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,840
season for the Hokies it would
be a no brainer.
1090
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,800
If he even if he had a season
like last year compared to this
1091
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,240
year, I think you'll be a no
brainer.
1092
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,920
I think we're just looking at
the the the two year sample
1093
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,760
size.
You can make it argue it.
1094
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,680
I don't know if it if it quite
gets there, but you can
1095
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,040
definitely make an argument.
I think for him, because of the
1096
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,400
transfer portal and stuff,
because most of the other guys
1097
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,040
came in and being like you want
to say it's just because their
1098
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,080
college career, but it also has
to do kind of how to get drafted
1099
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,680
and then what they do after they
get drafted.
1100
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,400
So for him going to Florida,
then coming back to Virginia
1101
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,320
Tech through the transfer
portal, and like Brian had said,
1102
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,640
if he had one more season, but
he doesn't, I think it'll come
1103
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,120
down to where he gets drafted in
most like Hokey's heads.
1104
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Like if he goes first round or
high second round, I think
1105
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,360
people would be like, yeah, you
know what I'm saying?
1106
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,120
If he slips down to the third
round or, or whatever the case
1107
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,960
may be, you know, then people
will be like, you know, they
1108
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,800
won't really think about it.
But if he goes high, like, you
1109
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,760
know, some are predicting he
will, then I think people would
1110
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,240
100% go, yeah, he's he's there.
You know, you got to bump this
1111
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,680
person off whoever, anybody
besides Bruce, you know what I'm
1112
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,760
saying?
Like most people would say.
1113
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:26,560
But that's just my opinion.
Your music, Curtis.
1114
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,080
Oh, I thought it was me.
No, tell him you.
1115
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,800
Yeah, yeah.
So what was the what's the
1116
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,680
problem I was researchers on?
Defensive end don't watch more
1117
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,640
tech Smith or more.
Yeah, I don't know.
1118
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,960
I don't know if I'm qualified
because I wasn't around for the
1119
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,200
glory days of BT football.
So like my, you know, my top
1120
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,480
defensive ends are like
obviously APR and then outside
1121
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,560
of that, I mean.
Can a Kingdom?
1122
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, it can.
Who?
1123
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,640
I mean, who Trayvon.
I mean Trayvon Hill, honestly,
1124
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,920
like if you're just talking my
time frame of watching BT
1125
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,040
football, that like that's who
that's who'd be the Mount
1126
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,920
Rushmore.
My daddy, Daddy.
1127
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,960
Daddy.
Yeah, daddy.
1128
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,880
So I mean, there've been a
handful of decent ones, but
1129
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,800
yeah, I'm just not.
I mean, obviously, you know,
1130
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Corey Moore, I don't know, I I
just, I just wasn't around for
1131
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,200
the glory days.
So I don't know if I can really
1132
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,280
comment.
I love putting you always.
1133
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,440
Sheldon's always gets to throw
that out every time.
1134
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,240
He's I was, I was like 3.
I don't know.
1135
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,680
Yes, yeah.
So in Sheldon's eyes, he gets 2
1136
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,960
spots, he gets two.
He gets 2 spots on Mount
1137
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,480
Rushmore because he's so, you
know, he's young, he hasn't seen
1138
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,440
a a lot of, you know, defensive
ends, but he.
1139
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,560
Absolutely say they have to be
there because of all the
1140
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,480
accolades.
Then APR gets 2 spots.
1141
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,120
All right, where do y'all?
Where do y'all want us to go for
1142
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,720
a bowl?
Birmingham, Birmingham tell.
1143
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,160
Them tally.
Tell them tally.
1144
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Tally Walton.
Just so Bolton.
1145
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,200
I don't want to go back to
Fenway.
1146
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,120
Fuck Fenway.
We've never been to Fenway.
1147
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,800
I don't want to go to Fenway.
I don't.
1148
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,840
Want to go to Fenway?
I could probably.
1149
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Get I've been to, say, Yankee
Stadium, but I don't want to go
1150
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,200
there either.
I've seen somebody.
1151
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,000
One of the predictions had us
like against West Virginia
1152
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,399
somewhere, maybe armed forces
ball or something.
1153
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,800
Fort Worth, Yeah, I saw.
That something like that
1154
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,479
probably I mean, I don't know
about Fort Worth, but I feel
1155
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,200
like opponent like playing
against West Virginia probably
1156
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,439
would be good for us anywhere
they go.
1157
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:39,160
It don't matter if we five and
six, six and six, ten and six,
1158
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,479
Virginia Tech, Hokey Nation
going to show up.
1159
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,840
So wherever they put us, they're
going to have they're going to
1160
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,080
have Hoagie fans that for sure.
Curtis said don't rain like it
1161
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,160
did last year.
Oh my God, first bowl experience
1162
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,080
in a monsoon.
We're not going back there.
1163
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,120
I don't think they're going to
send us a Fenway just because
1164
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,200
for the simple fact that there's
too many other good options
1165
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,200
where they can finagle us in.
I'll, I'll go with Tally, get it
1166
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,200
to Birmingham.
So that man go see his team play
1167
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,840
this year in person.
We had a lot of stuff going on
1168
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,399
where we didn't get to make
games this year.
1169
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,560
Shelton made enough for I think
all of us.
1170
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,880
But yeah, give me that.
All right, let's talk about the
1171
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,880
bad because there's there is one
thing that went bad in my
1172
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,120
opinion.
Tony Musket was the only damn
1173
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,680
thing they have running the ball
and then off of those runs
1174
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,640
making some intermediate throws.
And it literally took us until
1175
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,200
early in the fourth, mid fourth
quarter to finally stop it.
1176
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,359
Yeah, I was sitting over here
drinking my OGD, worried like,
1177
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,640
we're going to blow this game.
We're going to blow.
1178
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,640
They're going to do something
stupid because we've done
1179
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,399
something stupid all year.
And they're going to score a
1180
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,240
touchdown.
And then we're going to fumble.
1181
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,960
And then they're going to score
another one and we're going to
1182
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,280
get in our heads and we're going
to do this.
1183
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,520
Game Curtis saw another one
score let down PTSD late late
1184
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,360
late in the third quarter he
looked at the third he's like
1185
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,760
we're +2 in this quarter and I
feel like shit I'm.
1186
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,040
Messing you that like we won
this quarter but what?
1187
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,080
What else did y'all feel just
watching the game?
1188
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,000
And I know it's like a 17 point
win.
1189
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,080
It's like you can't find all the
bad in that.
1190
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,000
But anything that just pissed
y'all off made you want to throw
1191
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,920
shit.
Yeah, you don't want to nitpick,
1192
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,120
you know, a good win like that,
but just because we got to,
1193
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,720
that's why we're here.
I feel like some of the
1194
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,120
offensive play calling was just
unneeded, you know what I'm
1195
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,640
saying?
Like a couple of reverses that
1196
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,240
we did could have went really
bad.
1197
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,680
I think we fumbled.
One yeah, the green yeah Cam
1198
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,040
knocked it out of green.
Tan you.
1199
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Know we had a couple of times
where I just felt like we did a
1200
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,040
couple things with that
situation because I feel like we
1201
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,720
were better than them.
We just lined up and you know,
1202
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,480
you could, you could use some,
some motion and stuff.
1203
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,240
But I feel like some of the play
calls we just was kind of
1204
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,280
throwing stuff against the wall
and hoping it's stuck.
1205
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,360
And if we were playing anybody
else besides UVA, it wouldn't
1206
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,680
have stuck.
Yeah, and I and I feel like we.
1207
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,080
Didn't really that's just right.
Like I think that's.
1208
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,000
That's the thing.
Like, we didn't need to do that,
1209
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,720
like, right?
Sometimes it was getting too
1210
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,720
cute, right?
Right, I'd love.
1211
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,000
To do I Duke Mayo bowl.
Yeah, yeah.
1212
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,440
I mean, Duke Mayo is probably my
favorite.
1213
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:22,080
Like non bowl any any bowl that
doesn't really matter.
1214
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,720
Duke's my favorite so.
Charlotte.
1215
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,520
Charlotte.
Exactly.
1216
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,480
We want Charlotte.
We do.
1217
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Let's see if they'll give it to
us.
1218
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,160
Let's see if ever get 2 teams
into play all weekend.
1219
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,800
They flirt with us every year.
They'll, they'll, they'll throw,
1220
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,040
they'll throw Lane in there
every year and be like, hey,
1221
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,600
maybe.
So, Sheldon, what about you?
1222
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,800
Data statistical wise?
What went bad on Saturday?
1223
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,040
What went bad, man?
I don't know.
1224
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
It's hard to really hard to pick
too much.
1225
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,320
I mean, I mean 5 penalties for
61 yards, I guess like not, you
1226
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,760
know, not great.
And then obviously a couple of
1227
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,080
big, you know, explosives
towards the second in the
1228
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,720
second-half.
But I don't know, I mean, I I
1229
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,440
thought it was a good
performance all around.
1230
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:06,520
Like I really don't have any too
many complaints honestly.
1231
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,160
Like you know you're favored by
how, how much should it?
1232
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,880
5 1/2, it got down to 5 1/2 like
yeah.
1233
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,320
And and 1 by 1 by 20.
So I just, I'm not going to
1234
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,560
nitpick a win like this is.
It but a third screen
1235
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,600
quarterback.
Yeah, third screen quarterback.
1236
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,680
Too.
Yeah, that's crazy.
1237
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,680
There was an argument going and
and I listened to Hokey Hangover
1238
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,280
yesterday and like people and
people have been saying how have
1239
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,280
they hid pop?
How have they hid pop?
1240
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,480
What did we say at the beginning
of the season?
1241
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,960
And this is when people don't
listen.
1242
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,760
We said the best thing that Pop
was third string was why he ran
1243
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,280
the scout team every single
week.
1244
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,680
Pop got so many reps leading in
the season.
1245
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,440
That's why he didn't look rusty.
That's why he didn't look funky.
1246
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,880
He'd been playing football every
week as a scout team
1247
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,560
quarterback.
Y'all know it was him because if
1248
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,120
you saw on Saturday all the
stuff he does, it's like you can
1249
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,760
emulate that.
He can put, he can throw the
1250
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,880
deep ball good.
He sells fakes good.
1251
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,600
So Andrew Alex was like, why is
he third string?
1252
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,360
Everybody on the Twittersphere?
Oh, why is he third string?
1253
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,280
Why?
Because he's a red shirt
1254
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,960
freshman all of y'all.
If he had been too deep, y'all
1255
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,400
would have been losing your mind
is like, why is the red shirt
1256
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,240
freshman to back up?
That's not good.
1257
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,600
If you did that, you'd have
everybody would have been
1258
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,440
critical of of even using
wasting a scholarship on Collins
1259
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:24,720
League exactly.
So somebody would have been
1260
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,640
bitching about something.
I think the main thing is just
1261
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,200
his size, the way that he plays.
If they're looking for him to be
1262
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,120
there for a while, they got to
protect him, you know, and you
1263
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,280
got to get that nutritious
point, that nutrition, playing
1264
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,520
in him as much as you can before
he sees the field, so.
1265
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,840
Yeah.
We've seen him late in the
1266
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,280
season.
I don't even remember what he
1267
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,600
looked like at the beginning of
the season or even in the
1268
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,720
spring.
I mean, I knew he's I knew since
1269
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
high school he was he was a he
was good.
1270
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,400
He could ball.
But taking the kind of hits and
1271
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,840
things like that is like it, it,
it gets you hurt.
1272
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,640
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, look at Kyron.
1273
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,280
Yeah, I mean, is he built for 12
games, right?
1274
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Now.
So with him, though, he went
1275
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,080
from 170 out of high school,
he's up to like 190.
1276
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,000
He's getting.
You wish you had one more year,
1277
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,320
right?
You wish you had one more year
1278
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,840
of him to get more meat on the
bone, a little bit of fat, a
1279
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,960
little bit bigger.
Because I think the way he
1280
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,720
moves, it's not going to take
that away.
1281
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,600
You might.
If he can get to 196 by, you
1282
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,440
know, start of fall camp next
year, 197, you know, you might
1283
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,880
feel pretty good about it.
Put that man on the steak and
1284
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,000
potatoes plan.
You know another, you know, 6 to
1285
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,280
8 lbs on him.
I think you you're in a, you're
1286
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,120
in a pretty good spot there.
I don't think you ever going to
1287
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,480
get him much over 200 regardless
of what you do so.
1288
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,840
Who's he remind y'all of?
Like just say, if you looked
1289
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,720
across college football right
now, I think they said it during
1290
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,400
the broadcast.
Who's he?
1291
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,480
Who's he remind y'all of?
I'll see if y'all.
1292
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,480
You really reminds me of Tracy
Mcsorley at Penn State.
1293
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,640
OK, that's the white.
Quarterback like 511, like 100
1294
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,680
and 95200 lbs.
That's who he reminds me of in
1295
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,960
the weight with a better arm.
Who Brian?
1296
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,560
Who you think?
Oh, let me, let me think of on
1297
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,200
this for a second.
Sheldon.
1298
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,800
I'm, I'm going to go back a
little bit.
1299
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:26,120
Give give me Denard Robinson.
OK, shoeless.
1300
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:32,320
Yeah.
Oh, Sheldon, who you thinking?
1301
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,720
I don't know.
I think he reminds me of Tommy
1302
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,600
Castellanos.
OK.
1303
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,840
The way that he moves, you know,
he I think he's a has a little
1304
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:51,320
bit more skill throwing the ball
and Castellano, but the way he
1305
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,800
he can maneuver and get out of
stuff.
1306
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,520
He reminds me of him, how he
moves in the all right.
1307
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,840
I'm going to throw this one up.
I can't put him in this
1308
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,440
category.
He's got some wiggle.
1309
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,680
He doesn't have Kyler wiggle.
He does not have Kyler Murray's
1310
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,120
arm.
He has a good arm.
1311
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,880
Kyler was a center fielder in
baseball.
1312
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,840
You got to have an absolute
rocket to play center field in
1313
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,240
baseball, and he has a rocket to
be as small as he is.
1314
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,440
So, yeah, All right, real quick,
before I got one more thing
1315
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,320
we're going to do, tell him
we'll get it to you in a second
1316
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,840
because I know you got some shit
to get off.
1317
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,760
You caused a ruckus on Twitter,
making people all sorts of mad.
1318
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,880
Obviously national signing day
is tomorrow.
1319
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,560
We have to commit earlier today.
Portal seasons open.
1320
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,120
We've got 3 defensive lineman
already there, probably more as
1321
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,280
we were sitting.
We're going to come back next
1322
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,400
week and kind of unwrap that
stuff because there's going to
1323
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,800
be probably more portal entries,
maybe some other changes.
1324
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,280
So ain't no need to talk about
it tonight.
1325
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:52,000
But Tally, the floor is yours
because you go ahead and put it
1326
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,840
out now in spoken word.
What you put in that tweet?
1327
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,440
No, SO most of the time for the
season, of course everybody you
1328
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:04,680
got to have somebody that you
got to put a blame on right.
1329
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,600
So I just like the debate.
I'm not telling people that are
1330
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,520
wrong.
I just want to hear what people
1331
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,320
say because I'm like y'all are
telling me that Marv is the
1332
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,760
reason we lost all these games
and I mean people was giving
1333
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,360
good stats.
Well, we LED in this game.
1334
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,680
Well, we LED in this game.
I'm like well, if you look at
1335
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,800
the games, it was more than just
defensive let downs.
1336
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,360
Sure.
Marvel wasn't adjusting well in
1337
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:36,920
the third quarter, I agree.
But if I'm looking at it from a
1338
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:44,040
holistic standpoint, right, our
top defensive player is, I mean,
1339
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,440
our top player that gets drafted
is going to be a defensive
1340
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:50,320
player and we're going to have
more defensive players drafted.
1341
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,520
Is that because they were
developed well?
1342
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,000
Is that because of the scheme
worked for them, You know what
1343
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,680
I'm saying?
And then we had all these pieces
1344
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,680
come back on offense.
You got everything you wanted on
1345
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,520
offense.
You paid people big money.
1346
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,240
You got every piece back that
you wanted maybe besides online,
1347
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,600
I guess they may or didn't get
some online.
1348
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,280
But the pieces that we had you,
you got them back.
1349
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:17,320
And we're still 6:00 and 6:00.
So people say, well, you had
1350
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,080
this defensive, you had APR and
you're still 66.
1351
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,040
I'm like, yeah, but the offense
had as much talent, you know
1352
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,640
what I'm saying?
I feel like it was more question
1353
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,240
marks on the defense then it was
the offense at the beginning of
1354
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,400
the season and they said, well,
people got hurt on the on the
1355
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,840
offense.
Well, the starting safety got
1356
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,680
hurt in the first game, Stroman
got hurt the first game.
1357
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,680
So it's you just I just don't
understand how you pick one and
1358
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,000
not the other.
You know what I'm saying?
1359
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,640
I'm picking the head man anyway.
I'll just tell everybody that I
1360
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,840
feel like it's the head man's
fault, the games that was that's
1361
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,480
my opinion.
But if you just say somebody got
1362
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,280
to fall on the sword, I just
want I was just wondering how
1363
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,440
people say it's Kyron's fault
and it's Mars fault.
1364
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,640
So, Brian?
What you think about it, I know
1365
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,000
you seen.
The tweet that they was killing.
1366
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Me, I I saw the tweet.
They were killing you.
1367
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,240
If we talk about somebody got to
fall on the sword and it's got
1368
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,880
to be somebody that's not Brent
pride and not with Babcock,
1369
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,120
right.
So we're, we're talking about
1370
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,960
somebody down the down the
pecking order.
1371
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,920
I do lean Marv over Bowen and
I'll give you my reasoning and
1372
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,160
most of it has to do with it.
It's similar to to pride the,
1373
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,800
the things that Marv doesn't do
well, regardless of game day, I
1374
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,800
think Marv doesn't do a great
job of adjusting, especially in
1375
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,640
the third quarter.
I think those game plans have
1376
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,280
been been pretty rough.
I think that Bowen, even when
1377
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,600
things aren't working, he does
adjust pretty well or is at
1378
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,600
least quicker to adjust to try
something new in the game.
1379
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:01,720
But when I look at quarterback
performance against linebacker
1380
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,280
performance, I think despite
injuries and everything else, I
1381
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,720
think the quarterback still
overall performed better
1382
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,840
individually at that position
than the linebackers did
1383
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,280
collectively at their position.
And then I look at the fact that
1384
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,960
Bowen can recruit and Marv
can't.
1385
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,920
He, Marv is a minus recruiter,
Bowen is a plus recruiter.
1386
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,080
So all that together, I think
that puts Marv higher up on the
1387
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,240
on the chopping block then then
then Bowen in my opinion.
1388
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:37,560
Show you go next.
So I've, I've been a little,
1389
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,120
I've certainly been more
critical of Marv this season
1390
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,240
just in terms of, you know, the,
the Russian defense wasn't
1391
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,800
great.
And when you isolate that, it's
1392
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,640
pretty clear the linebackers
were a major, a major problem.
1393
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,560
Linebacker plays just wasn't
good enough.
1394
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,280
Tech finished 62nd in Russian
success rate, which you know, is
1395
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,200
not terrible, but again, with
how much you returned and the
1396
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,960
fact that you had a full year to
kind of revamp that linebacker
1397
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,320
room, it just isn't good enough.
So, you know, I think the
1398
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,200
linebackers it it might be a
bigger issue with recruiting
1399
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:08,920
than is with coaching, just
because you look at a guy like
1400
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,520
Caleb Woodson, who was, you
know, pretty much, I mean, one
1401
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,280
of the best performing guys in
the entire room, arguably be
1402
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,440
best performing and he's a young
guy.
1403
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:20,160
So, you know, there's there's
some potential there, but I
1404
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,240
don't I don't think they manage
that room correctly.
1405
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,720
And and that's mark custody,
like that's he's got to own
1406
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,120
that.
So I think, you know,
1407
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,320
metrically, you know, there's
some nuance there because the
1408
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,760
defense did improve from last
year and the offense, you know,
1409
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,840
kind of plateaued in some areas.
But I also think the offense was
1410
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,320
dealing with, you know, a
limited offensive line and
1411
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,040
injuries to key skill players,
including the quarterbacks.
1412
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,360
So you kind of give going a
little bit of the pass there.
1413
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,720
I just think I don't think the
defense really maximized their
1414
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,920
potential.
And I think the offense was a
1415
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,680
little bit closer to kind of
doing, you know, as much as what
1416
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,640
they had.
So I've been, I've been a little
1417
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,800
bit more critical of Marv this
season.
1418
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,680
I like this because tally.
Now I'll say this.
1419
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,680
Put up Robbie's.
I'll throw this in too.
1420
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:06,240
Yeah, Robbie, thank you.
That's my what?
1421
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,680
But I'll say this to him.
Y'all.
1422
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,000
Excuse me, I'm eating some
presses.
1423
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,280
You fine.
Another thing that kind of threw
1424
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,960
me for a loop is like, OK, if we
won, we won six games, right?
1425
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,280
So if we won eight games, if we
won eight games and we lost
1426
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:27,480
four, we would probably be here
in a lot different position and
1427
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:31,560
feel different, especially if
those wins came against Miami
1428
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,600
and Duke.
Yep.
1429
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,800
Your defense gave you, if I'm
not mistaken, I know they gave
1430
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,040
you 4 turnovers against Duke
because people say, well you
1431
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,640
know, we scored this many
points.
1432
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,680
I'm like it's OK if you score
35, but what if you can score
1433
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,360
50?
Like you got to take the layup
1434
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,480
points we we had.
I know we got 4 turnovers and
1435
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,000
won the turnover battle against
Duke.
1436
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,760
Still lost.
We won the turnover battle
1437
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,680
against Miami.
We won the turnover battle
1438
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,320
against Miami and I can't
remember how many we had.
1439
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,760
We may have had three today,
like one.
1440
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,600
But whatever the case is, I know
we won the turnover battle there
1441
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,400
and we still lose.
So it's like is the defense
1442
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,360
doing enough for us to win?
Or is it like it's just to me, I
1443
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,120
feel like the defense and the
offense never was on the same
1444
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,600
page.
One would give us some stuff the
1445
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,200
other wouldn't.
And then I feel like a lot of
1446
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,560
times again, I ain't trying to
go down the rabbit hole with it,
1447
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,120
but this is just my thinking
when I'm everything's done and I
1448
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:39,800
got time to analyze.
We mismanaged injuries 100% and
1449
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,520
I wasn't in, I wasn't in the
locker room, but I could on the
1450
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,880
outside looking in.
We mismanaged injuries on both
1451
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:51,440
sides and we are where we are.
So who does that fall on?
1452
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:55,080
Like I just feel like everybody
was quick to say it's Marv, it's
1453
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,560
Marv, it's Marv.
And then what Robbie said made
1454
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,200
the most sense to me.
Like y'all told me that Pride is
1455
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:05,600
a not y'all, but the world says
Pride's a defensive guru, right?
1456
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,200
So if my defensive guy is having
a problem because he's a young
1457
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,240
coach and this is the first time
coordinator he's having a
1458
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,680
problem, you mean to tell me you
couldn't step in and show us
1459
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:22,120
some things that's going to help
the defense or hell, Bud Foster
1460
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,680
walking around, We can't ask him
to come in and run some kind of
1461
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,000
something to help.
Like, I just feel like it's some
1462
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,240
things the head coach should do,
could do to help the defense
1463
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,720
more than if there is a great
offensive coordinator out there
1464
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,800
and proud of the defensive
coach.
1465
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,040
I feel like we would we would
benefit more from having a great
1466
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,520
offensive coordinator.
That's just my opinion.
1467
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,040
Now, Curtis, I know you have
some stuff that you want to go
1468
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,840
with what you got.
You're on mute too.
1469
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,240
Get off mute first.
Microphone, the microphone
1470
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,440
lights undone.
This is what all of the point
1471
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:02,080
you're making is.
There were times this year where
1472
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,600
the defense would like that.
Opposite way is where there were
1473
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,920
times the offense just scored
and scored.
1474
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:12,840
It would be like another score.
Syracuse.
1475
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:19,640
In the Syracuse game, offense
still put up, what, 31 was that,
1476
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,080
right, 31.
I had to score for your second.
1477
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,480
I got 31, 31, right?
Yeah.
1478
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:31,560
The offense put up 31 in that
game and the defense played a
1479
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,600
great first half and then they
just fell.
1480
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,480
It was never.
And Price said it and he said it
1481
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,640
and he tried saying this is what
his preaching thing is,
1482
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,240
complimentary football.
We had very little complimentary
1483
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,560
football this year.
We had very little score,
1484
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,600
touchdown, make a stop, go, put
a field goal up, make a stop,
1485
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,960
pin them deep.
We didn't have that.
1486
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,440
We didn't have any complimentary
football all year.
1487
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:01,960
That's why we're six and six now
to this point.
1488
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,160
Robbie does make a good point.
If Marv isn't doing well in your
1489
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,760
former head coaches of DC, he
should be getting in that room.
1490
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,880
How much does he go into that
room is the question.
1491
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,360
And what we said, he go into
that room, where do we see it
1492
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,520
more?
But I'm like this, I'm like, I
1493
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,240
think both need to go because
even though I like Tyler Bone as
1494
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,040
a recruiter and there are times
where he's sitting at the
1495
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,680
blackjack table and he can't do
no wrong, then there's times he
1496
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,560
does it and he busts every
single hand in a row where he
1497
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:39,200
cannot put up anything.
So, oh, there you go.
1498
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,640
That is a good question.
Has anybody asked?
1499
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,280
Does he stand with it still goes
back on pry here for the same
1500
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:51,080
reason Robbie brought up there,
because if it prize in the
1501
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,960
defense that much and we're
still having inconsistencies,
1502
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,840
then you know that that's still
a reflection there.
1503
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:03,880
It's a it's a reflection on Pry.
Now, if he did do that, that's
1504
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,800
probably why Marv's going to get
the hook.
1505
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,320
But I've said this, and I said
it after the Syracuse game, and
1506
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,400
I'm going to continue to say it.
Things have to be changed.
1507
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,240
We are were multiple games under
500 in the whole 10 year the
1508
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,120
last two years because I give
the free pass to the first year.
1509
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,920
It probably was the single worst
P5 roster in the country.
1510
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,640
Think about that.
The last, the only argument you
1511
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,640
can say is did did we do enough
to try to flip it year one?
1512
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,280
But as far as?
What that What?
1513
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,120
We did with the talent we had,
that's you're not going to get
1514
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,680
much better than.
But that was a cultural
1515
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,760
decision.
That was a cultural decision
1516
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,200
that was basically, and we'll
give everybody an opportunity
1517
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,280
that's already here and put them
on there.
1518
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:50,160
The thing that needs to happen
is you've got to change things
1519
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,480
in this staff.
Inexperienced top to bottom is
1520
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,800
the killer.
Yep, you've got to go find some
1521
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,400
old heads.
And I don't care if it's a
1522
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,240
defensive coordinator, if it's
an offensive assistant, if it's
1523
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,720
an offensive coordinator, you've
got to change the dynamic in
1524
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,880
those rooms.
You've got to put an old head
1525
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,480
that when somebody does some
stupid, I mean, we all work with
1526
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:09,280
these people at some point in
time in our life.
1527
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,520
They're older and you say
something dumb and they just
1528
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,640
tell you straight up like that's
stupid.
1529
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:17,360
Like don't, don't do that again.
Now, some might do it in more
1530
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,240
gentler ways, but they need
somebody in there smacking in
1531
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,640
the back of the head, right?
Like, no, we ain't doing that.
1532
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,040
Why are you going to why are you
going to run a cover 2 versus
1533
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,120
this?
They're going to eat it up all
1534
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,360
day or why aren't you going to
put a spy on the quarterback
1535
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,360
that can run?
That was the only.
1536
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,680
One, he's the only one running.
He's.
1537
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,800
The only one doing anything.
He was the only one doing
1538
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,680
anything Saturday night and it
took us 3 1/2 quarters to stop
1539
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,680
it.
That is I can't deal with that.
1540
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,400
I can deal with the quarter.
I can deal with the broken
1541
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,800
plate, can't deal with the
consistencies like that.
1542
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,520
The question now goes, as we
kind of start wrapping it up
1543
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,200
here tonight is when are we
going to see the changes?
1544
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,280
We're seeing the portal.
They're they're doing the big
1545
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:10,000
signing day thing tomorrow
starting at like 7:00, which I
1546
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,600
think we're going.
I don't think there's going to
1547
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,880
be any flips.
I don't think I think we're
1548
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,600
going to sign everybody.
But I think I said to I can't
1549
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,440
remember.
I texted all y'all this or you
1550
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,320
this or put this somewhere.
There's going to be pissed off
1551
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,240
people when they see all the
coaches in the room glad hand
1552
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,160
and making announcements
tomorrow because people going to
1553
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,480
be like all these other schools
right now are letting people go.
1554
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,640
Josh Caddis got kicked to the
curb today.
1555
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,440
Guy who was a quarterback coach
for JJ McCarthy got kicked to
1556
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:37,880
the curb today.
Plus, Miles on left, Jamie
1557
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,800
Chadwell's leaving, movements
happening.
1558
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,200
We're just sitting here, oh,
we're all good, everybody,
1559
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,240
everything's good.
No, everything ain't good.
1560
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,680
You're an average football team
with an above average roster
1561
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,960
this year and you epically
failed.
1562
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,400
OK, so I have some some nuanced
thoughts about this.
1563
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,320
So you talk about you talk about
the assistance.
1564
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,960
Look, I do agree that you know,
you have to make staff changes
1565
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,680
because I mean like there's no
choice like you win six and six
1566
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,240
make staff changes.
But I probably I probably learn
1567
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,160
more towards the tally way of
looking at this because I think
1568
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,360
when you look at the overall
body of work, there's just
1569
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,600
nothing that this team is really
bad at, but nothing that they're
1570
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,080
also great at.
And so I think you can make a
1571
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,480
case for keeping, you know, this
assistant of that.
1572
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,400
But the ultimate problem is that
you have a head coach who's 1
1573
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,280
and 12 and one score games and
finds a way to lose and finds a
1574
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,160
way to snatch snatch defeat from
the jaws of victory every single
1575
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,080
week.
I just don't know that the the
1576
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,280
performance of the coordinators
has been bad enough to justify
1577
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,040
an immediate like, you know, a
reactionary decision.
1578
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,160
But it's like, it's just this
weird situation where like the
1579
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,760
the play on the field exceeds
the win loss record, but
1580
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,560
everybody wants to fire the
assistants.
1581
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,120
But the main problem seems to be
the head coach.
1582
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,320
I just, I think it's a weird, I
just think it's a weird dynamic.
1583
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,040
So let me let me let me go here
so.
1584
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,960
First of all, no, Brian, because
I know you were doing that
1585
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,240
listening.
So I think the problem that
1586
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:16,600
we're in is we're in a situation
where from a buyout standpoint,
1587
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,000
it prize the problem.
We can't move on from pry right
1588
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,240
now so that that we're starting
at square 1.
1589
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:30,480
So, so if, if, if that's where
we're starting at, then do we
1590
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:33,280
ride with what Sheldon's saying
and like, OK, well, they they
1591
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,800
haven't been good, but they
haven't been bad enough to to
1592
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,720
fire them.
What's the middle ground here?
1593
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:45,840
Is the middle ground, bringing
in a analyst some sort of
1594
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:52,320
experience, seasoned game
management analysts that can
1595
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:58,600
work with pride to season some
of these problems that we've had
1596
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,280
throughout the year in terms of
game management, in terms of
1597
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,120
crucial decision making in those
those key moments in the game?
1598
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,000
Because I mean, we talked about
it, those those are probably
1599
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,640
cost us at least two, maybe
three wins this year, right?
1600
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,640
It when we look at the, the
cumulative effect, you know,
1601
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,360
this could easily be an 8 or 9
win team if a handful of
1602
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,360
decisions are made better on
game day.
1603
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:31,440
So when we look at that, it is
is the answer Stan and Pat and
1604
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,480
bringing in an analyst like that
because you're not in a position
1605
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:38,080
right now to to scrap it again
and start from scratch.
1606
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,280
That's a good question.
Great question.
1607
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,720
And that's the thing I don't
again, I'm not the one that's
1608
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,720
out here beating the drums
saying fire pry, but I just know
1609
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,080
that I don't feel like Fire and
Marv is going to make us win
1610
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,360
more games next year or the next
year.
1611
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,200
You know, I don't I don't I
can't definitively say that
1612
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:02,720
because Pryor is still the head
coach.
1613
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,160
He is the one that's losing.
He's the one like again.
1614
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,000
And Brian, I know you want to
go, so don't forget what you're
1615
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,000
going to say, what you what you
think about saying.
1616
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:16,040
But it's like if we do bring in
a new coordinator, of course,
1617
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,320
Oh, he's got to learn a system
that's going to set us how many
1618
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,400
years back and it's going to do
this and it's we're still making
1619
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,160
the same mistakes.
Who?
1620
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:29,240
And it's a long list of things
that went wrong, but who leaves
1621
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,840
the quarterback in when his foot
is broke?
1622
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,000
Who makes that decision?
Whose decision was it to not
1623
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,920
play Caleb Woodson?
Well, whose decision was it to
1624
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,000
not play Caleb Woodson early in
the season?
1625
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:51,120
Whose decision was it to not get
Q Reddish on the field earlier?
1626
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,920
You know, just little things
like that.
1627
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,240
Like I don't know who it is.
I don't know if it's the
1628
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,520
defensive coordinator, I don't
know if it's the head coach, I
1629
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,600
don't know if it's the position
coaches.
1630
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,920
I don't know, man.
Like it's just a lot to think
1631
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,880
about.
And again, I don't want people
1632
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,800
to thank anybody who's here
listening, who interacts with me
1633
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,120
on Twitter.
Like I'm not argumentative.
1634
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,040
I like to have discussions.
So I genuinely was asking like I
1635
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,000
see this happening.
I just want to know what do
1636
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,600
y'all think and why do you think
that Brian, what was you going
1637
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:23,720
to say?
Oh Curtis, you got some.
1638
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,040
You was going.
Brian, Brian, I got mine.
1639
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,320
I'll let you.
I'll let you go first.
1640
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,360
Man, so I'm I'm with Brian, you
have to make some change and
1641
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,840
Shelton, you have to make some
change.
1642
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,720
If you don't do an overhaul,
that's fine.
1643
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,360
But this is what you do.
You do 3 positions.
1644
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,400
The first one is Brian, your
point?
1645
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,400
You've been, you've been, you've
been beating a hammer.
1646
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:44,040
Like if you're not going to make
many changes, give him a Jerry
1647
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:48,560
Kill type figure to help manage
the games, make decisions, all
1648
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,920
that crap.
I'm good for that.
1649
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,800
I think what you do on both
sides of the ball, if you feel
1650
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,280
to Tally's point and Deshaun's
point, we aren't terrible
1651
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:00,880
anywhere.
It really is true.
1652
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,240
We're not terrible anywhere now.
We're terrible at times, we're
1653
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:08,640
awful at times doing stuff.
You bring seasons we're rarely
1654
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,400
consistently bad at.
Anything.
1655
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,840
Exactly.
Bring in that older voice.
1656
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,280
It's basically let 1 member of
the staff on each side go bring
1657
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,560
in the older voice who has the
experience.
1658
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,720
You don't have to name an
offensive or defensive
1659
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,000
coordinator, but you come in and
say, listen, your job is to
1660
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,880
improve this person.
Your job is to improve this
1661
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,960
person.
Like, you know, the name's been
1662
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,520
floated out there a lot.
I love Pearson.
1663
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,240
Prelude to death.
A lot of people know Pearson
1664
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,320
didn't want that coaching job.
Let him go back to director,
1665
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,880
player personnel, bring in Bob
Chute because one Bob Chute
1666
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,200
knows the systems.
Bob been a safety coach for a
1667
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,680
long time.
There ain't no learning curve.
1668
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,440
He's like 5758 years old.
He may not help you on the
1669
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:56,720
trail, but The thing is, if you
believe in Chris Marr, if you
1670
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,000
believe in Chris Marr can be a
good defensive coordinator.
1671
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,080
Get an old head in that room
with him consistently and
1672
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,600
constantly.
Other side, same way, bring
1673
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,320
somebody in, let go of Stu Holt,
Ron Crooks.
1674
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,040
What was one of those two guys?
Bring in somebody who's seasons,
1675
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,560
it's called plays.
It can get you out of the ruts
1676
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,800
because with Tyler, it's never
about when he's not on.
1677
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,600
It's when he's off.
It's so bad.
1678
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,920
It's so bad.
So let me let me throw this out
1679
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,920
there.
You know, we talked about a
1680
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:35,040
Jerry Kill type, but I mean,
what this staff is lacking,
1681
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,200
regardless of what position they
are, whether coordinator,
1682
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,520
position coach, head coach, this
staff does not have a lot of
1683
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:51,560
head coaching experience on it.
One guy and and that doesn't
1684
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:56,080
really count, at least not at
least not in a in, in, in, in
1685
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,560
the in the meaningful way that
we're we're looking at here.
1686
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:04,280
So and and that was a very short
tenure as well, correct.
1687
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:10,920
So when we look at that, you
know, do you do you two birds
1688
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,800
with one stone?
You get a former head coach.
1689
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,840
That's fine.
Being a coordinator that has
1690
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:20,080
that experience.
Is that a, is that a half step
1691
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,040
where you're still spending the
same amount of money and not
1692
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,880
having to hire a new coordinator
and a Jerry Kill type?
1693
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,920
Whether you have the budget for
that or not, I don't know.
1694
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:34,040
I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if a,
somebody with that type of
1695
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:39,840
seasoning that's willing to be a
coordinator underneath a, a
1696
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:44,840
Brent Pry could, could rub off
on him and be kind of that kind
1697
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,560
of that right hand man from a
game management perspective,
1698
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,400
regardless of whether they're
running the defense or running a
1699
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,600
position group or whatever,
whatever it may be.
1700
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,840
Because I think, you know, I
think the biggest problem is
1701
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,360
that just this staff top to
bottom lacks experience of
1702
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:05,200
managing games because you've
got fresh coordinators and a
1703
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,120
head coach that never did it
till he got here.
1704
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:09,440
It's true.
It's true.
1705
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,800
I think all of us here, Sheldon,
anything you want to add
1706
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,560
additional as we get ready to
wrap this thing up in the
1707
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:14,040
higher?
Mac?
1708
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,240
Listen, Mac Brown doesn't know
how to manage a game better than
1709
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:18,320
Brett Brown.
I'll say that.
1710
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,680
So Sean, anything you want to.
Yeah.
1711
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,960
I mean, I certainly think you
could, you know, maybe consider
1712
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,120
adding some consultants or
analysts and that'd be fine.
1713
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,760
But I just think when I, when I
look at the data, I'm not seeing
1714
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:35,600
the the justifications for
significant staff turnover.
1715
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,960
If, if the team had performed up
to their expectations, win loss
1716
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,080
record wise, like if if the
staff had, you know, not bungled
1717
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,800
a bunch of games that we were
seeing here, 8 and four, maybe
1718
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,160
nine and three.
I think we'd all, yeah, we'd all
1719
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,560
be happy.
And the stats would be the exact
1720
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:50,920
same.
The data, the metrics would all
1721
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,080
be the exact same.
But we're nine and three.
1722
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,480
So we're thinking, hey, man,
it's all good.
1723
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,240
Let's keep it rolling it.
May not have hit the the heights
1724
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,160
we expected, but it's at least
kind of the incremental steps.
1725
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,000
It's the expectation, you know,
levelling out at least.
1726
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,240
Yeah.
And then the final thing is, you
1727
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,240
know, I think text coordinators
are paid probably around the 35
1728
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,400
to 40 range in Power 5, some in
the ballpark.
1729
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,320
And I think you got to wonder
like if you did decide to move
1730
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,080
on, you know, could you make a,
could you make a legitimate
1731
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,800
upgrade with that salary range?
I just maybe you could I just I
1732
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,600
don't, I don't know.
And it is.
1733
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,120
Yeah.
And it is risky, you know,
1734
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:26,840
always making those changes
because you just don't know.
1735
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,480
Maybe it turns out to be worse
or or it's a downgrade.
1736
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,520
So I don't know.
Anything else, gentlemen, before
1737
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,640
we put a wrap on this, I think
anything tally Brian?
1738
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,880
Nope all.
Right back up the brinks to
1739
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,560
Jerry Kill and let's see what we
can do.
1740
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,600
I think it's just this, I think
we all need to see changes
1741
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,120
happen.
And I think Shelton, to your
1742
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,960
point, because of the way you
look at the metrics is if we
1743
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,480
went on through, you'd all be
happy.
1744
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,080
Maybe 6 and 6 was the best thing
to happen to basically show this
1745
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,920
staff is not going to be the
staff that gets us where we want
1746
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,280
to be.
That's all I'll say.
1747
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,960
Now with that being said, that
does wrap up this episode of the
1748
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,640
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1749
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,680
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1750
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,440
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1751
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,600
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all of his live gigs, all of his
music's right there.
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Check it out.
If you're down in the Roanoke
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area, see where he's playing.
Go say what's up.
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Tell him you follow Boundary
Corner and that you followed all
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of his gambling picks this year
and he owes you money.
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He'd love to hear that.
But as anyways, we appreciate
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y'all all for listening all the
comments in the chats as always.
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And as always, let's go, Okie.
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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner podcast along with my
partners, Brian Ziegler and
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Shelton Moss in a late arriving
Jonathan Talley.
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He will be here in just a little
while.
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Y'all.
My name is Curtis Wilson.
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Boundary Corner podcast is part
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and this episode, as always, is
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Season's over.
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All the regular season's over.
The regular season's over.
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It went by fast, did it not?
Such is life, man.
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I mean, we started the season,
Sheldon didn't have a job.
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Now he's got a job.
He's got a new apartment.
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He's writing articles for the
key play Sheldon.
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He will feverishly be finishing
out an article after we wrap up
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tonight for y'all tomorrow,
Sheldon, just get a little tea
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on what you're going to be
reviewing there for that article
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when it drops.
Yeah, so I think it might be a
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two-part series, you know, Part
1 tomorrow, but because I got a
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lot of things to write about.
But I would say, you know, I I
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just talked about how how much
of an underachiever Virginia
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Tech was historical
underachiever.
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If you saw my tweet the other
day, Okies are last 20-3 years.
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They had the highest point
differential against FBS plus
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6.9 point differential for a
team that did not finish with a
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winning record at 6:00 and 6:00.
So I think the the defining
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aspect of this team will just
be, you know, underachieving.
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I mean, they they should have
won more than six games, but
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they didn't found a way to lose
every close game O and five.
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And I think I think the play on
the field was a lot better than
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what the record indicated, even
though we certainly do have some
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criticism of coaching.
But you know, I I talked about
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the defense and how, you know,
they did statistically improving
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a lot of metrics from last year,
but it was also somewhat of a
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mirage just because they faced a
lot of backup quarterbacks.
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They didn't really win a game
against any decent quarterback
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the entire season.
You know, they gave us some big
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passing plays, a lot of
explosives and they they
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struggled to stop the run
consistently.
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So you think we look at those
factors together, you kind of
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look at a defense that just
really didn't.
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I think the the, the sum of the
parts, you know, wasn't bigger
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than the whole, whatever the
quote is.
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I don't know.
But they just they didn't
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perform well enough.
So there you go.
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All right, so definitely check
that out tomorrow with Shelton.
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And you know, normally we will
start with Tell the Truth
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Tuesday and review the game.
But because we were waiting for
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Tally had to attend the
basketball game and I can be
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sliding in here a little later,
we're going to start it to be at
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the ending end at the beginning.
So what we're starting with is
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we are going to start with our
big screeners this week.
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We have decided to pick every
conference championship game,
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all nine of them straight up
money line, no spread involved.
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Who you think's going to take
home the trophy potential bids
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into the CFP playoff?
We can.
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We're going to actually discuss
that and the rankings once we
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get this wrapped up.
So a lot of fun, a lot of games.
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If you're a gambler like Jason
Long, our buddy, I have a
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feeling either Jason come Sunday
is going to have a lot of money
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to the bet on the NFL.
He's not going to be able to bet
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on the NFL Sunday after Friday
and Saturday, so.
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This is a fun one because I, I
looked, it's kind of where we
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fell and it's a, it's a very
interesting, interesting week.
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Yeah, after after a a few weeks
here of having quite a few games
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where we're all in lockstep, we
got a bunch this week that
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there's at least a couple
stragglers here and there.
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There are some stragglers here
and there.
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So let's get that graphic up and
let's get it started.
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And we are going to start with
one of the first games on Friday
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night where Jonathan Talley's
alma mater, the Jacksonville
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State Gamecocks.
But one Gamecock is going to
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have a championship this year.
The other probably not going to
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be able to play takes on Western
Kentucky.
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Western Kentucky is sneaking
into this game after they beat
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Jacksonville State last week to
get into the Conference USA
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title game, which is pretty
crazy.
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I think it's a 3 point win.
16/19/16 I'll get that up to
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confirm.
So we're going to start here.
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It's going to be Friday night.
7:00.
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Get your get your gambling ready
because you know that's what
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you're going to do on this game.
Going to be on CBS Sports
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Network, we're picking straight
up the line is Jacksonville -3
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1/2 and it is going to be at
Jacksonville State.
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So at their home stadium where
the match up I believe last week
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if I'm not mistaken was at
Western Kentucky and it was 17
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or 1917 Western Kentucky with a
walk off 50 yard field goal to
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beat Jacksonville State.
So Brian, with all that being
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said.
Teams this evenly matched.
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Winning a game twice is hard as
hell.
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So for that reason, we're going
with the cops, man.
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Got winning against the same
team twice usually it's tough to
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do anyway.
Winning against the same team
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twice in back-to-back weeks, I
don't find that data point.
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Is that ever been done?
I can find it be.
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So we'll let you look that up
while we're going through this
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stuff.
But for me, I'm also with Brian,
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I I think a close win.
Wilshire, Kentucky's home field
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definitely saved one last week.
Jacksonville Statewood home
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field Jacksonville State wins
Conference USA.
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Yeah, I know Boise State and
President State had a couple
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years where they they faced off
back-to-back in the Mountain
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West because of the the
championship game after regular
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season game.
And those are some pretty good
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battles.
I think.
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I think they split most of their
meetings.
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But yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking
Jacksonville State.
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I honestly don't really know
anything about either one of
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these teams, but I'm just taking
the home team.
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There you go.
You know where Tally's.
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Going well, you know where he's
going.
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And Miranda's going with Western
Kentucky here.
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She thinks they can pull the
double and.
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Jason's riding with the rest of
the crew.
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All righty, Brian, where are we
going next?
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Miami of Ohio and Ohio all.
Righty the matching.
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The matching, this is totally
gut feel for me.
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I'm going with Ohio.
I'm riding.
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I'm riding with the Bobcats
here.
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Gut feel for me.
This is going to be noon by the
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way, on Saturday, ESP NS
carrying this one game is let's
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say I think it's at Ford Field,
the wonderful Ford Field, which
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is wonderful.
Now it's a fun place to watch
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football.
Now these teams matched up in
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the regular season with Miami of
Ohio beating Ohio and it's kind
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of funny though when y'all think
about it.
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So we have a Miami and an Ohio
in conference championship
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weekend, but you know what?
Is it either one we thought it'd
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be?
Nope, not at all.
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Nope.
I like Miami a little bit more
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and I'll tell you why on this
one.
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Yes, they're going to pull the
double, but that game was way
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back.
When you take a look at their
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records this year, Miami's of
Ohio's other three losses.
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They lost to Northwestern, they
lost to Cincinnati and they lost
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to Notre Dame, and they were
competitive in those games.
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So I'm going to want to go Miami
of Ohio on this one.
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All right, Sheldon, what you
got?
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Yeah, I'm taking Miami.
Last three games they've given
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up a total of 28 points.
Their defense is on fire.
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I'm taking the team with better
defense today.
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So Miami.
All right.
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Tally's riding with Y'all,
Miranda's on my train here and
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Jason is with Y'all as well, so
it's kind of a split house here.
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Little 42 action.
Little 42 action there.
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All right.
Oh baby, next one, Sunbelt
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Conference where this
legitimately looks like a really
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good game.
Marshalls nine and three,
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usually Louisiana Raisin Cajuns
are tending to this game at
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Cajun Field, so it is a home
field advantage for the Raisin
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Cajuns.
Will be on ESPN on Saturday.
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Excuse me, yes, Saturday night
730 have a man cave set up.
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You don't miss any games, but
everybody know that out there
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and and it's interesting.
I'm trying to pull it up here.
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I don't think they played in the
regular season because there's
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an East and West for this.
Marshall coming off a win over
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JMU.
They did not play in the regular
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season.
So a first, first meeting of the
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season.
Yeah, first match up and it's a
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good match up.
They're both good, solid teams.
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Brian, what are you thinking on
this one?
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You know, I've liked what I've
seen from the Marshall games
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that I've watched all year.
I haven't watched a ton of
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Louisiana throughout the year.
Marshalls looked pretty
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impressive compared to what I
thought we were going to get
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from them this year, so I'm
going to take Marshall in this
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one.
Yeah, Marshall, two of their
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three losses, obviously they
lost to Tech and then they lost
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to Ohio State the following
week.
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So two of their three losses are
to Power Four teams, Raging
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Cajuns one and one against.
Effectively not one in one.
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But Raging Cage's biggest win
this year.
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Beat Tulane early in the season.
Should be lost to Tulane early
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in the season, but beat Wake
Forest.
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So with all that being said, I
don't know, I like Charles Huff.
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I think this is more I like
Charles Huff.
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He might be the coach in a
couple years.
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So get on with bandwagon now.
Well, I like Michael Desermo.
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That's the head coach for
Louisiana.
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OK, he was, he was a little bit
similar to pride in the sense
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that he got really unlucky his
first two years.
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But this has been sort of the
big turn around year for
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Louisiana.
He's done a great job.
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They're they're tending to
overall 7/1 of the conference.
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So I'm taking Louisiana.
I think I just think they got a
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really good unit.
Yeah.
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All right.
Yeah.
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Tally's riding with you there,
Sheldon, Miranda's riding me and
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Curtis and Jason they we got a
full split here on this one.
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Hey Sheldon, just just a little
background.
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Where did the Ormo come from?
Where was he he?
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He's a, he was a first time head
coach.
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He can't, he was an assistant
there for a bunch of years and
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he actually came before that
straight from straight from high
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school.
So he was a running backs coach
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for one year and then switched
over to tight ends for five
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years and then just moved up the
ranks.
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Wow, that's that's, that's
actually pretty impressive to do
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something like that.
You don't see a lot of guys
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literally go from high school a
straight into AG 5.
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That's that's one of the more
impressive things, unless you're
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at one of the big time, you
know, high schools within a
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state or something, which could
be the case down in Louisiana
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where he was.
I'd have to go do that research,
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but but good for him, good for
him with ten wins.
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So yeah, all righty now we're
getting into some of the bigger
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games, and this one is just this
one's a juicy matchup.
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So first of all, Brian, I'm
going to need you to play
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weatherman.
Give me the weather for what's
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the exact name of the town where
Army's located?
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I know it's on the east the the
river and everything.
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Mitchy Stadium.
Look up Mitchy Stadium.
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So this game Friday night it's
8:00 it's on ABC 2G5 teams like
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who are very good obviously Tech
any if you're if you're a tech
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fan, you remember playing this
two lane team in the bowl
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without players.
A lot of players left last year
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Army what a great fucking
season.
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Just straight up 10 and one the
game the army Navy game is going
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to be incredible this year.
They're both really good.
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They both run their offenses
efficiently.
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I look forward to that game in a
couple weeks, but this is a big
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one for the AACI don't think
either one of the I don't think
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Army can backdoor its way into
the playoffs with the win here
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based on where like UNL VS
ranked.
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But Friday night, 8:00, it's
cold right now on the East
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Coast.
Brian, let's get a little
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weather report.
What's going to be the
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temperature at kick off on
Friday night for this game?
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Let's see.
I'm getting there here.
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Let's see.
Looks like it's going to be 25.
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So 25° from a team that plays,
I'm not mistaken, Tulane still
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plays in the Superdome.
Yep, definitely against the
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elements in that one.
Tulane also coming off a hard
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loss to Memphis, which my for
some reason my oldest son, I
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guess he watched that game or
saw the score.
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He's like, yeah, Memphis won
dad.
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Big win for Ryan Silverfield,
Brian as well.
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It.
Was yeah, it looks like it's
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going to be between 25 and 27
depending on what, where you,
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where you look at kickoff so.
Cold, cold.
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All right.
Well, with all that being said,
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Brian, who you got?
Despite all of that, I I'm
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rolling with Tulane here.
I think they just have a little
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bit more they're a little bit
more dynamic both on offense and
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defense.
So I I think that's going to be
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the difference in the game.
I think they squeak one out, but
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army makes it very, very close.
All righty.
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I think Army's going to win this
game.
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I think Tulane, because if
Tulane had won that game last
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week, maybe a shot potentially
at a a bid.
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If they had held on and beaten
Memphis, I think Army, big
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bounce back for them.
Army wins.
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Yeah, I love army, but I got to
take I got to take two lane.
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I just think they got more
firepower and I think the Black
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Knights have been kind of a
little bit going on some some
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good luck here.
So I think Tulane will win.
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Yeah, Tally's ride with Army,
Miranda's ride with Army and
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Jason is ride with Army.
So shelved me and you were out
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there on our own on this one.
Curtis, you are on mute.
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Listen, Throne team, 25° weather
in the 15 mile an hour, winds
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falling off, but if they would,
I'd speak to them.
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All righty.
Finally, we get to the big ones
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because the next five games
effectively are going to be
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automatic bids into the into the
playoffs.
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Brian, you want to you want to
talk about this one a little
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bit?
Yeah, I mean, we got UNLV, we
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got Boise.
Yeah.
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This is a really, really
interesting match up.
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Like a little bit of contrasting
styles there.
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I'm liking what I've seen from
Boise.
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I think Boise holes Pat in their
their March into the College
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Football Playoff and in my
opinion, getting one of those
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automatic buys as well.
So give me Boise State and we'll
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talk about that later.
But yeah, we.
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Will teaser teaser.
All righty, y'all know these
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teams played one time already
and it was in Vegas, It was at
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Allegiant, it was a little bit
warmer.
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Did y'all know that was Ashan
Gente's worst game of the
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season?
He averaged under 4 yards to
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carry UNL VS rush defense,
ranked 10th in the nation, only
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given up 101 yards a game.
That was a 2 point game the
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first time.
It is at Boise.
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I'm sure it's going to be cold
as hell there.
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I'm actually interested to see
that.
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It's not going to change my
pick, but you know, Friday
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night, yeah, you know, it's
going to be about 40 at kickoff,
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so not terrible.
I think UNLV shakes up
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everything because right now
they're only two losses are to
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Boise in the overtime game
against Syracuse very early in
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the season.
Syracuse, obviously nine and
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three, had a great season.
I think UNLV pulls the massive
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upset and shakes up potentially
the CFP.
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All right.
Yeah, I'm a I'm a big Boise guy,
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so I'm biased here, but I'm
going Boise.
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I do think to Curtis's point,
you and Eveleigh is the one team
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in the country that can limit
Ash and Genti.
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So I do think this will be a
very close game, but I'll take
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Boise straight up.
Tally's riding with us, Sheldon,
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as is Miranda and Jason.
So, Curtis, you're out there on
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an island, babe.
Got got got to roll the dice
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occasionally at the end here all
righty plus I don't know where
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we stand picks wise.
I think I'm under 500.
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So you got to go opposite and
try to get ahead of y'all.
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All righty, let's get into the
Power 4 where on Saturday at
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noon down at ATT Stadium in
Arlington, TX, the house that
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Jerry built it is 10 and two
Iowa State at 10 and two or
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against 10 and 2 Arizona State.
I I think, I don't think
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anyone's shocked by Iowa State
being a good team this year.
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Matt Campbell's had numerous
good teams since he has been at
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Iowa State for the last few
years.
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But big shout out Kenny
Dillingham.
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I think this is the biggest
surprise of maybe the second
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biggest surprise.
Maybe not maybe the biggest
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surprise of all the P4 teams in
the championship game in my
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opinion, but what a season for
them.
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And Brian, anything add on top
of that anything you like,
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Sheldon, anything you like about
these teams?
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You know, it's just an
interesting match up.
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And I mean, we talked about how
the Big 12 shook out and there
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was kind of really, you know, 5
or 6 teams there at the end that
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could have, you know, made a run
here at the the conference
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championship game.
Colorado probably
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notwithstanding, these are
probably the the two best all
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year, you know, top to bottom.
So you know, seeing them in
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here, I think it's a it probably
the best outcome that you could
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have hoped for.
And.
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For this one, I'm going with the
the the team that has shocked
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everybody all year.
I'm I'm going with with Arizona
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State.
All righty.
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I'm up next on this one again.
I've already mentioned it.
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I think it's already there.
My love for Matt Campbell, Hell
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of a coach.
One of those guys two years ago,
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could we could we go get Matt
Campbell and bring him to Vt?
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He'd be a good culture fit here.
He had not been able to get over
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the Big 12 hump the last few
times they played in the
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championship game.
I think he cements this, let his
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legacy and gets to the playoff
with Iowa State. close game,
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war.
These teams, if you look at
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where they're rated, similar
defenses, similar offenses
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ratings wise, but I think Iowa
State takes this one in.
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Matt Campbell Ginson, it's his
legacy, is probably one of the
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better coaches in this era at a
school that hadn't won a hell of
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a lot before he got there.
Yeah, I'm taking Arizona State.
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You know, two programs here that
really just are are solid but
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not flashy.
I think I was really impressed
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with Arizona State's winner.
BYU kind of handled a very
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physical BYU team and I think
they can handle physical Iowa
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State team as well.
So and they got Ken Scudaboo,
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who's awesome.
Yes, Scataboo is pretty awesome.
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I'll I'll give you that shelf.
Yep, and Curtis, once again, you
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were out on an island.
It's because Tally, Miranda and
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Jason are riding with Arizona
State as well.
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It's the white running back
effect.
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If there's a good white running
back, people gravitate towards
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that.
I'm just being real.
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Come on.
Hey, hey.
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Peyton Hillis once made the
cover of Matt.
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Yeah.
He did.
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Wow he had like 1100 yards.
You wouldn't even like the 5th
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best running back that year.
He was white.
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At at some point that was more
meme than it was anything real.
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But you know what?
Sometimes you ride a meme.
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Sometimes you're out of meme.
All right, Ron, I'll let you
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leave.
This one is.
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It arguably the best team all
year in in college football.
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Oregon, you got Penn State.
Penn State's really had a year
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that I think was probably as
good or better than they
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expected.
I don't know if they necessarily
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saw themselves in this position
with the schedule that they had,
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but they put themselves here and
you know, Oregon's more or less
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handled their business all year.
So one of those classic, you
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wouldn't really say this is a
classic matchup from a a big 10
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standpoint.
You got Oregon in there.
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But I think this is this is a a
batch up that you expect when
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you talk about, you know, top
five teams meeting in the big 10
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for a chance to have that, you
know, in this case a bye for the
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the first round of the playoff
here, probably probably A at
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least a number one and #2 seed.
So I like Oregon in this one.
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They've been the best team all
year.
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I think they keep that up.
Yeah, Brian, you, you said a
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lot.
Oregon's been the best team all
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year, probably Penn State.
I mean say what you will.
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Probably their best season since
they won the Big 10 a few years
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ago because the Ohio State game,
they did not basic.
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They basically hung in there the
whole game.
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They just could not get enough
to finish it.
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Obviously.
I like what Jim said.
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That is a Rose Bowl match up,
but I favor Oregon in this one
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for one big reason.
It's going to be inside.
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I think if this was in the
elements, if this was let's
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think they moved it to Ohio and
put it in Cleveland or put in
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Cincinnati.
This championship game, I favor
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Penn State.
But I think being on that
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wonderful Dome that Lucas Oil is
that Ryan's so familiar with
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Give me Oregon and they solidify
the number one and they solidify
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going to the Rose Bowl.
Yes, I am taking Oregon.
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I just don't trust Franklin
enough in these types of games.
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And to Brian's point, Oregon is
at worst a top two team in the
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country.
Penn State is not on that level.
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There we go.
Tally's riding with us.
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Miranda's going Penn State,
Jason also going with Penn
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State.
I mean, isn't, I mean, let's be
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real before we jump to the next
game.
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I mean, obviously I think
everyone was expecting Ohio
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State to be in this game and for
the rematch from earlier in the
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season, which was an
unbelievable classic.
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The the, the question is, where
was Penn State?
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Where's Penn State's head?
Because I think let's be honest,
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going into the end of last week
as they prepared to play, who do
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they play?
Somebody help me out here.
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Y'all going to make me pull up?
Efforting, efforting, efforting.
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Do it.
You people like Maryland who
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fired their offensive
coordinator Dane Josh Gaddis,
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44, seven.
The the question is, how quick
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can they get up?
Because I think in their head
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was we're going to beat
Maryland, Ohio State's going to
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beat Michigan, and we're going
to be somewhere between 7:00 and
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9:00.
Where do we land?
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Are we on the road or are we at
home?
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And now with this happening,
Penn State's, if whether they
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win or whether they lose or they
get to buy, they're guaranteed a
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home game.
I do not see them go below 8 in
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this situation.
There you go all.
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Right.
Thanks, Jim.
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All righty.
Next we go down to Charlotte.
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Probably the game that has the
biggest implications in terms of
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which got which team gets in and
and which team doesn't in terms
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of at large.
If you looked at the College
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Football Playoff rankings and
the way they shook out today,
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very interesting to to see where
a certain team from Alabama was
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located on the on these
rankings.
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So this game, I think, has a lot
of a lot of odds at stake for
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what happens here.
Curtis, you're muted.
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Yeah, 100%, Brian, this is, you
know, like you said, it's so
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much riding.
Where do teams fall?
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What happens in this case, based
on what the playoff committee
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did tonight with their six
different ways of explaining why
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00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680
people are wearing things.
There's no fucking consistency.
440
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000
They have one goal, which is
they're going to try to get
441
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Alabama in the best they can.
That's all their goal is because
442
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,680
they want that giant FPGA to be
there at some point for all
443
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,080
viewership.
So with that being said,
444
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,360
anything on this with Shelton
before you give your pick,
445
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Anything that's caught your eye
about either team?
446
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,320
Yeah, I think SMU is like
really, really talented.
447
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Top five offense in the country
per SP plus Clemson is a little
448
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
bit more balanced.
They've got a good offense and a
449
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,040
good defense, but not not
necessarily elites in neither 1.
450
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,400
I don't know.
I think I just think Lasha has
451
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
done a really good job.
It's kind of funny when when
452
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960
when SMU lost to BYU earlier in
the season, we thought, oh man,
453
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720
they must be overrated and they
almost lost to Nevada as well.
454
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,760
But it turns out BYU was also
really good.
455
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,720
So you just never know early in
the season.
456
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,800
I think I think SMU has just
done a great job.
457
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Brian early in the seasons and
rankings.
458
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,160
Don't get me started yet.
I'll, I'll, I'll be on that
459
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160
soapbox here shortly when we
start talking about who's who's
460
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,560
going to make the College
Football Playoff.
461
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,240
But as far as this one, I'm, I'm
going Clemson for a lot of
462
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
reasons.
But number one, I think if if
463
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920
you, if Clemson wins, I think
the ACC still gets two teams in.
464
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160
I think Miami's getting fucked
at this point regardless.
465
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Yeah, this is going to obviously
be SMU's toughest task to date.
466
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Clemson just got out of war with
South Carolina, where they could
467
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,120
have easily have won that game
and been 10 and 2 coming into
468
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,760
this game, probably ranked one
spot behind them, probably
469
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,440
pushed everybody down a little
bit.
470
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,000
And honestly, I think crowds
going to be in their favorites
471
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,760
of what, 90 minute drive up from
Clemson up to Charlotte.
472
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,600
I think Clemson wins a game, but
I think this is probably going
473
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,520
to be the most entertaining game
of the weekend.
474
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,760
I think the game is going to go,
it's going to hit the over, but
475
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,160
I think Clemson sneaks out like
a three to five point win.
476
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800
This one is tough.
I think Clemson has the better
477
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,480
staff, or perhaps I should say
the more proven staff, but I
478
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
just think SMU has more talent
across the board.
479
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,720
So I'm thinking SMU, but I'm I'm
fully aware that Clemson might
480
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,880
very well make this a game.
Yeah, Tally.
481
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Tally is going with Clemson as
well.
482
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Miranda, Clemson and Jason is
riding with you, Sheldon.
483
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Oh man.
Yeah, saddle up.
484
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Yeah, saddle up on your Mustangs
Air boys.
485
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Yeah, all righty.
So one last game to pick and
486
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,280
this is the one Jason's gambling
on.
487
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,240
So we have to put this last, but
he's going to Atlanta for
488
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Georgia and Texas.
Hey folks, welcome back to one
489
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
more week of guitar licks and
gambling picks.
490
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,040
I'm Jason Long.
It is championship week and here
491
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,680
on the Boundary Corner podcast
we're picking every game, but
492
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,360
the one I'm most excited about
is the SEC championship between
493
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Georgia and Texas.
Now, a few weeks ago when this
494
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,800
game was played the first time,
I picked Texas, and of course,
495
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,800
Georgia went on to win and I
lost money.
496
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360
This time around though, Texas
is traveling to Atlanta.
497
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,880
I think that's going to be a
huge advantage for Georgia.
498
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,920
So I'm going to flip it.
I'm picking the Bulldogs to beat
499
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,120
the Longhorns this weekend in
the SEC Championship game and a
500
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,480
move on to that College Football
Playoffs.
501
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Now, before we move on, I want
to take a look at my season.
502
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Now, I've done 14 of these.
Technically I'm 6:00 and 8:00,
503
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,440
but I did give you a / a few
weeks ago that hit.
504
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,720
That makes me 7:00 and 8:00.
But that is still a losing
505
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,560
season so I apologize to anybody
who might have been riding along
506
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,120
with me and lost money this
year.
507
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
That being said, hey, that's the
risk you take when you're
508
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,960
gambling, so I want to leave you
all with the best advice I ever
509
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:09,360
received.
You got no one to hold, no one
510
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:18,600
to walkway when run.
You don't count your money when
511
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,560
you'll sit and head table the
man time and don't come when the
512
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:31,400
demons done.
You got nowhere to hold, nowhere
513
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,440
to follow, no in the walkway and
no in the run.
514
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,520
You don't count your money when
you'll sit and head table.
515
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,680
There'll be time in the count
when the deal is done.
516
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,200
So happy but responsible
gambling this weekend folks.
517
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Now don't y'all forget.
Check out my website
518
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,920
jasonlongmusic.com to hear all
of my music.
519
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,200
Find out when I'm playing live.
I've had a ball doing these and
520
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
I'll see y'all next time.
Have a good one.
521
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,920
All righty.
So Jason going with the dogs.
522
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Literally.
And figuratively, literally and
523
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,200
figuratively because the line, I
do believe it is like a one
524
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560
point favorite.
Again, that's another reason we
525
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,200
didn't do lines this week
because I think the biggest
526
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,640
line, let me look this up.
I just want to make sure I'm I
527
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,440
think the biggest line is 4 this
week.
528
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Let me get up to my GAMBLING
SITE here.
529
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800
I just want to confirm this.
Yeah, I think, I think there was
530
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,480
a couple 3 and a halfs.
It's a 5 1/2 is the biggest line
531
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,520
this week.
This game is Texas 2 and A.
532
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Half, yeah.
That's why we did it this way
533
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200
'cause we're just two and a
half, 3 1/2, even 55's, not a
534
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000
lot.
You get to that areas where it's
535
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,360
basically a pickle anyway, so.
With so many teams getting rid
536
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,920
of divisions, now you're you're
getting the, you're literally
537
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,560
getting the two best teams in in
each of these conferences.
538
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,280
There's not going to be that big
of a gap in most of these cases.
539
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,360
So and when we look at it, you
know, a match up like Georgia
540
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,199
and Texas here that that goes
double.
541
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,960
I'm going back to the well here
with my reasoning it it's hard
542
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,920
to beat A-Team twice.
He is.
543
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Texas, the first time they
played in Austin was still one
544
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719
of the best things I've ever
seen and should be done more.
545
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,880
When referees buck up calls,
just throw beer cans at them and
546
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,760
eventually they will get
together and make the right
547
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,400
call.
That should be done more at
548
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,360
games.
It should not be penalized.
549
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,240
You know what?
Because for honest truth is, can
550
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,160
we go back to Georgia, Georgia
Tech real quick last week, those
551
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,920
were three of the most atrocious
calls I've ever seen.
552
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,560
One way, the two PIS and the
hold, the hold that was not
553
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,440
called.
I think people should be allowed
554
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
to punch refs in faces when they
blow that bad of a call.
555
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,960
I think it's fair.
You just hurt my emotions.
556
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,280
I'm going to hurt your face now
guys, how do y'all feel about
557
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,120
that?
Not going to say anything, are
558
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,160
you?
I do kid about that by the way.
559
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,360
But there is no consequences.
It's something that I'll say.
560
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,680
You put that up there, James,
the it's the big A they're going
561
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,920
to put, they could lose seven
games and they're going to put
562
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,320
them in the year they put a six
and six Alabama in is the year
563
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,320
literally just quit watching
college football because it's
564
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,080
never about what's going on on
the field.
565
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,680
But reality is if y'all had, I
know some of y'all listen to
566
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Josh Pate.
I occasionally do.
567
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Even if he gets in his SEC bag,
He is right.
568
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,080
There is an officiating problem
in college and it does need to
569
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560
be fixed.
But as far as it goes for this
570
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,760
game, Quinn Ewers first time
they played was coming off an
571
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,720
injury.
He is still a little banged up
572
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,200
but not as bad as he was.
Played a great game against A&M
573
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,200
by the way.
They should have blown out A&M.
574
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,280
You fumble the ball multiple
times inside the 10 yard line.
575
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400
I think Texas wins by a
touchdown.
576
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Yeah, Texas lost to Georgia
once.
577
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,360
It's not going to happen again.
Taking Texas.
578
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920
There we go.
Hook em, he says.
579
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Hook Em, Hook em Another another
hooker from Tally.
580
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600
He'll come from Miranda and we
know that Jason is riding with
581
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,680
the dogs.
Jason.
582
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Jason's on the ledge by himself
on this one.
583
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,800
Everybody else is riding with
the Longhorns.
584
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,360
All righty.
So let's take that down and
585
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,120
let's do a little brief
discussion because we are what I
586
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,480
did want to do.
And Shelton, I know we didn't
587
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040
get yours, but I'm sure you've
got it somewhere jotted down is
588
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
what's your 12's going to be
after the weekend?
589
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,320
We're going to do that in just a
second.
590
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,640
But Brian, let's go, man,
because I know it.
591
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,920
If you've listened to this
program for the last five years,
592
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,840
that's one thing.
Brian Siegler hates, I mean
593
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,240
hates with a passion.
And Brian?
594
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,800
We still see the preseason
rankings rearing their ugly head
595
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
this deep into the college
football season.
596
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,080
And I know it's hard to get away
from power rankings and stuff
597
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,800
like that.
But when we put out these
598
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,240
official like the, these are the
top 12 teams in the country.
599
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:55,000
And the the problem we get is
that we base quality of wins off
600
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,040
of data that we don't really
know was good.
601
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,640
And it just, you know, it's,
it's the whole bad data in bad
602
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,920
data out philosophy.
And it takes a while to really
603
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280
get to a point where, you know,
you can actually make some,
604
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:20,320
some, some some solid inferences
from the, the winds that you're
605
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,720
seeing on the field.
And, and we end up making a lot
606
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,400
of those inferences in
September.
607
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,800
And those really aren't telling
us a whole lot.
608
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160
So now we're at a point where,
you know, Alabama still hanging
609
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
around with three losses.
Two of them are, I would
610
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,040
consider bad losses to, to teams
that barely scraped into a bowl
611
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
game this year in Oklahoma and
and Vanderbilt.
612
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160
And Vanderbilt definitely is a
better team than I think a lot
613
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,400
of people gave them credit for,
full stop.
614
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,200
But they are still a team that
is 6 and 6.
615
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Oklahoma is still a seven and
five team that, you know, got
616
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,360
blown out by a, a couple of
average to, to, to slightly
617
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,240
above average teams throughout
this season.
618
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:11,480
So to go in there and just curb
stomp Alabama, that, that that's
619
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,960
a bad loss for them.
And, and I think that the
620
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,760
problem that we have with we, we
talked about it last year.
621
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,520
We're we're talking about it
again this year.
622
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Is that with the, the problem
with the committee in general is
623
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000
that number one, I think they
still do.
624
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Even though they don't put their
rankings out until later, they
625
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,680
are still colored and shaded by
what pre season rankings are.
626
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:42,640
And add to the fact that I don't
think they give losses and the
627
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,920
on the field outcome enough
weight compared to the eye test.
628
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,880
I feel like so much is eye test
and OK, well, you know, who did
629
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,960
you play?
And, and, and it's kind of funny
630
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,640
because we were looking at I
think we were looking to
631
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,320
strength of schedule, Curtis and
you know, we compared I think it
632
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,360
was SMU in Alabama and they're
like 70 and 71 or something like
633
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:08,880
that.
You.
634
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,400
Were you weren't?
You weren't looking at that.
635
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,840
You were looking at something
else.
636
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,040
You were looking at another
metric.
637
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,280
It was not strength of schedule.
I don't know what you were
638
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,240
looking at.
Shelton might know.
639
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Anyway, there there was a metric
we were looking at that that had
640
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,800
them, you know, within, within a
margin of each other.
641
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880
And, and, and when we look at
some of the other pieces here,
642
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,520
like when we look at, like I
said, Alabama in particular, but
643
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600
they're, you can make a case
for, for, for some of these
644
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,920
other teams as well as that, you
know, we, we need to I think
645
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,320
penalize teams for bad losses
more than we are and more than
646
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
the College Football Playoff has
historically.
647
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Losses in general.
Yeah, losses in general, but bad
648
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,800
losses even more so.
So that that's my soapbox.
649
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,280
I'll let I'll pass it on to
Curtis and Sheldon here to to to
650
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
add their two cents here.
Well, I want to pitch to Shelton
651
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
because Sheldon, you're our,
you're our dad on stats guy.
652
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,720
Do you believe there is
something out there that is an
653
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,120
unbiased metric that's not
looking at polls?
654
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,240
What do you feel like if if you
were, if they called you
655
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,240
tomorrow, somehow they, they,
they found this and they found
656
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,840
this as a smart kid.
Let's put him in charge.
657
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,680
Is there a certain metric or is
there a certain data point out
658
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,000
there?
Do you say that could be the
659
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,800
beginning of the methodology
right here?
660
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,800
Honestly, look, there's no such
thing as a perfect stat.
661
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Like at the end of the day, you
know, there's always going to be
662
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,240
different numbers that can
portray something a different
663
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,440
way.
You know, you could look at, you
664
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,880
know, top 25 wins or strength of
record, strength of schedule.
665
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,240
Like it's just, you know, when
you're dealing with numbers and
666
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,400
stats, there's always a
different way you can present
667
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,640
something.
And so I, I certainly don't envy
668
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,440
the, the position of the
committee just because there's
669
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
only, you know, 12 teams, A12
game season, pretty limited
670
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,240
sample size.
If we just don't have the body
671
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,080
of work to really, I guess, hash
out a, a true representation of,
672
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,680
of what each team really is.
Because, you know, I, I saw
673
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,200
David Hale there, they had this
tweet where he, you know, made a
674
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,960
case for why every top 20, top
25 team was actually bad, you
675
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,040
know, looking at all their bad
losses and they're, you know, if
676
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,440
they have a bad check of the
schedule and so forth.
677
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040
So I mean, I mean, everyone kind
of beats everyone in college
678
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400
football.
So at some point you do have to,
679
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,640
you know, kind of acknowledge
that.
680
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,320
But, you know, I guess to answer
the question, you know, I'm a
681
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,080
big fan of strength of record,
looking at the overall quality
682
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,400
of wins in, in terms of a
qualitative judgment.
683
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,400
You know, I don't like looking
at, say, for instance, win loss
684
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,360
record versus top 20 teams or
Top 40 teams or, you know, wins
685
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,200
over 500 because that's a very
narrowly defined subset.
686
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,240
And it is sort of like a, you
know, self self fulfilling
687
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,720
prophecy.
If you beat a team that finishes
688
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,320
five and seven, you don't get
credit for A500 win, but if you
689
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,720
lose to them, they're six and
six and that counts as a loss.
690
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,440
So you know, that kind of makes
itself.
691
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,120
So I mean, there's ways I think,
I think with, you know, today's
692
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,520
analytics and everything, like
there's ways you can have, you
693
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,480
know, much better judgments for
evaluating teams, again, like
694
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,080
strength of record.
But I just think it, it just
695
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,040
seems like, you know, people,
people are always going to be
696
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,320
unhappy, I guess.
And so I don't, you know,
697
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,560
necessarily criticize the
committee too much.
698
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,800
But I do think in general, they
tend to sort of work backwards
699
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,080
from their conclusions.
Like they work backwards from
700
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,360
like, OK, what is the best SC
team?
701
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640
And let's try to, you know,
vouch for them and they'll,
702
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
they'll look at anything, any
stat that would that justifies
703
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,440
their argument, they'll, they'll
go with that.
704
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,480
So I don't know.
I, I just don't think they have
705
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,360
a very clear process for how
they kind of evaluate things.
706
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120
It kind of changes every year.
Well, you know what I dislike
707
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,480
and it and it happened tonight
with the committee chair is data
708
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
value different things for
different teams.
709
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,080
That's where I get upset.
Like this is they're really good
710
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,800
because of this.
Well, they're better than them
711
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,320
at that.
Oh, well, that we're not going
712
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,600
to look at that.
We're going to look at this for
713
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,840
this one and then this for this
one.
714
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,960
It's like, So what you're saying
is your real goal is you want
715
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,880
the biggest brands in.
That's all they should say.
716
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,000
I wish they would just say it.
If they just fucking say it.
717
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Hey, is what it is.
We get it.
718
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Hey, remember when we were in
school and there was like, you
719
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,760
know, you'd write a paper and
there'd be a fucking rubric for
720
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,560
the paper, right?
Yeah, give me a fucking college
721
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,520
football rubric and give me all
right, this is weighted this
722
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,280
many points.
This is weighted this many
723
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,520
points.
So at least we can understand
724
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,440
the process.
And because when you when you
725
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,240
have a boy more transparent
process, you can at least say,
726
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,000
OK, well, you can point to this
and say This is why this team is
727
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
better.
You might not agree with it, but
728
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
there is at least a
justification behind that.
729
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,400
It's not moving the goal post.
It's not whatever the dollars
730
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,320
and the ayes say.
It's at least a very fixed
731
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,000
matter of getting to the end
point there.
732
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,120
You're on mute, Curtis.
But here's the thing, if they
733
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,840
did that in the beginning, then
they couldn't justify certain
734
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,120
teams because if one people in
the the bad metrics and it's
735
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,160
like, Hey, that's what you said
you'd go by and we really like
736
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,480
that team.
We leave that team in like, no,
737
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,160
but I'm with you, Brian.
If you actually were to put a
738
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040
rubric out there like that and
have everything in the way it's
739
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,120
weighted, then there'd be no
questions.
740
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Because then also as certain
people fell into certain
741
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
rubrics, they couldn't back off
of it be like, no, this is this
742
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,280
is your methodology.
This is what you're saying is
743
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,400
going to determine the best 12
teams.
744
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,600
Yeah, there's always going to be
that like 1 anomaly team that
745
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,240
doesn't has a really good
record, but doesn't check very
746
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,760
many boxes.
And then on the on the flip
747
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,160
side, there's going to be a team
that may not have the best
748
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
record, but they check a handful
more boxes.
749
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,720
And this at least gives you kind
of a step by step way of
750
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,240
justifying putting that one team
in over the other or vice versa.
751
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Because right now we, it feels
like we're cherry picking
752
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:08,760
whatever stat we we can to get
the, the lowest SEC team in that
753
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,960
still has a chance into this
thing every year, whether it's
754
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:20,680
four or or 12. 100% I am looking
currently at the AP poll at the
755
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,960
beginning of the season.
Let's see how good they were.
756
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,680
You all ready?
Yep, Georgia was number one.
757
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:34,080
They've had a solid season.
Ohio State Say what you will,
758
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,160
they've won 10.
Games.
759
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Both of those are within the
margin of error.
760
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,480
Right margin of error.
Marriage and error.
761
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,320
Oregon ranked number three.
Yeah.
762
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Texas #4 Alabama's five.
Ole Missus 6.
763
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Notre Dame 7.
Penn State 8.
764
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,480
This is where it gets fun.
Brian #9 y'all remember who the
765
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,720
number 9 team was this year?
This is the number Michigan.
766
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Michigan.
OK, Florida State was 11, right?
767
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,360
Florida State was 10.
Florida State was 10.
768
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640
OK.
OK, so there's that value where
769
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
you're talking about now Florida
State within the first month, no
770
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,920
one value to win over them,
might even do the doors off
771
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,280
them.
But you know what I could say?
772
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Well, they were top ten at one
point.
773
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Shouldn't that matter?
No, no, no, that doesn't matter.
774
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,240
Guess who 11 was?
And this one's going to piss you
775
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,320
off.
Who's that?
776
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,240
Missouri and Missouri still
ranked 25th.
777
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Then we get to Utah.
Bad season for the utes LSU fell
778
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,720
out of the top 25 with losses.
Clemson still hanging in
779
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,120
Tennessee.
Great season after being ranked
780
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,520
15th.
Oklahoma was preseason ranked
781
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,920
16th.
Oklahoma State was 17th.
782
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,760
They didn't want a conference
game.
783
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,120
They didn't want a conference
game.
784
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,880
Beat Arkansas.
Arkansas beat Tennessee.
785
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,360
So tell me how that makes sense,
doesn't It's why you play the
786
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,400
game on the field and wins the
most important Kansas State, who
787
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,000
just fell out, and then Miami.
This is the bottom of the top
788
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,480
25.
Texas A&M, Kansas, USC, North
789
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Carolina State, Iowa, they
basically it's a coin flip if
790
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,600
they've got any of them, a coin
flip.
791
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,680
And this is where Brian's point
always becomes big.
792
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,960
This is what we're basing things
off of.
793
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,640
This is what we're looking at
the beginning, because in this
794
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,480
sense, Missouri is 9 and three.
Missouri is not a, is not a top
795
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,360
25 team.
They really aren't, but they
796
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,960
stick in there because they
started at 11 and they never got
797
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,160
below 3 losses.
We're A-Team like Duke or
798
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Syracuse.
I don't, I know they both beat
799
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
us.
Pisses me off.
800
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,240
They're both nine and three.
Only Syracuse got ranked.
801
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,400
So hey, all right, so real
quick, we we've talked about the
802
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,000
College Football Playoff.
Let's lean into it.
803
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,680
I'm going to start with you,
Sheldon, because I don't have
804
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,320
your stuff up here.
So you've got your predictions
805
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,240
in for the conference
championship games.
806
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,440
What do you think?
Just go your top 12.
807
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:24,000
Obviously, we can figure out who
the four bys are by reading it
808
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,200
down.
Yeah, so bys Oregon, Texas, SMU,
809
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,840
Boise, and then at large Penn
State, Notre Dame, Georgia,
810
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:41,080
Tennessee, Ohio State, Indiana,
reluctantly Alabama, and then
811
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Arizona State as the final AQ.
All right.
812
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Which if you look at that,
what's your most intriguing
813
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,640
first floor matchup?
Let me see Penn State, Arizona,
814
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Notre Dame, Alabama, George,
Indiana.
815
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,560
I don't know.
I guess I'd go Notre Dame
816
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Alabama because that game is
interesting.
817
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Because if I had to guess,
Alabama, Alabama will be a
818
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,560
slight underdog because they're
on the road.
819
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,200
But if that game were played on
neutral field, I think Alabama
820
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
would probably be favored.
They've actually under, they've
821
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,080
underperformed from their
metrics a little bit.
822
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,200
So I, I do think they're,
they're probably qualitatively
823
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,400
better than people think they
are.
824
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,800
But that would be a really,
really close game.
825
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,720
And I do think people are under
selling Alvin a little bit.
826
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,680
I know they aren't what they
used to be, but they've still
827
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,240
got some good football in them.
So I'd be, I'd be very
828
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,640
interested to see what, what
would be into made of a matchup
829
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,080
like that.
All right, Brian, what about
830
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,680
you?
All right, so AQ buys, I've got
831
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Oregon, Texas, Boise, Clemson at
large and this is in order of
832
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,280
rank is going to be Notre Dame,
Penn State, Georgia, Ohio State,
833
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Tennessee, Indiana, Arizona
State, SMU all.
834
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,760
Right.
So looking at your core or your
835
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,120
your first four games, which one
intrigues you the most?
836
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,920
You know, looking at this man,
it's going to be, I got a couple
837
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
like, you know, clash of styles
here.
838
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,000
I think my most intriguing is
going to be Arizona State at
839
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Happy Valley Penn State.
Hey, White running back
840
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
downhill.
Yeah, exactly.
841
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,440
I mean, it's, it's good.
I think that's interesting.
842
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,520
I could, I could point to Notre
Dame and SMU for very similar
843
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,040
reasons, but I think I'll go
with, with Penn State.
844
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,400
Arizona State, probably least
intriguing is going to be
845
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Georgia.
Indiana could be interesting,
846
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,800
but I, I feel like that's,
that's going to be, I think
847
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Georgia handles them fairly
well.
848
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,400
Ohio State, Tennessee I think is
going to be an interesting one
849
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,720
as well.
But in just in terms of like
850
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,960
thinking of where it is, what
the weather is going to be like,
851
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:14,120
style of play, it's it's got to
be Penn State, Arizona State for
852
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,680
me.
All righty.
853
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,480
I'll give mine real quick here.
So automatic qualifiers, Oregon,
854
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,240
Texas, Iowa State, Clemson,
those are 4A QS.
855
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,840
Then it goes as follows, Notre
Dame, Penn State, Georgia,
856
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Tennessee, Ohio State, SMU and
then UNLV.
857
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,120
My most intriguing game of those
is Tennessee, Ohio State.
858
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
It really is.
And the reason I say that
859
00:52:52,600 --> 00:53:00,360
because if I'm not mistaken, the
8-9 goes to the goes to the one,
860
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,960
right?
Yes, a nine goes to one.
861
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,240
I'm more intrigued by that game
there because a Tennessee is one
862
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,360
of those places.
It's in the hills, it's in the
863
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,640
mountains, It's cold.
There is no effectively
864
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,760
advantage for a for them with
Ohio State, Ohio State, Ohio is
865
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,960
cold.
But the question is, can Ohio
866
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,560
State actually get to the level
where they can play?
867
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,880
And I mean, when I say that, can
they get to the level with all
868
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,120
that talent?
That's the one.
869
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,640
Like, if, if you ask me right
now, that would be your Saturday
870
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,680
night 8:00 game, probably the
Notre Dame.
871
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Look who's joined us, finally.
Can can Ryan Day win a big game
872
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,520
that matters?
Who knows, man, But I think,
873
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,680
hey, he's here.
What's happening?
874
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Tally.
I made it.
875
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,280
You barely.
You are barely bare.
876
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,120
You all good, man?
You all good.
877
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,280
We just get in here telling lies
about what the top 12 is going
878
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,320
to be.
Shelter's got Alabama in.
879
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,880
I got them out.
Everybody but have Alabama in,
880
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,280
they're in.
They ain't letting them out.
881
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,040
They got, they got to have that
money.
882
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,600
They got to have that better
money.
883
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Tally's saying the whole team
could get sick and die and they
884
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,520
somehow put them in.
Right.
885
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,560
They put them in man, once.
I once I knew they weren't going
886
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,960
once they had a couple of
convincing wins and I and they
887
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,800
weren't going to the SEC
Championship.
888
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,800
So it was no way for them to to
lose that game.
889
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,720
I said yeah, they did.
As as as soon as I saw them at
890
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,080
11 and not 12, I was like, they
really going to try to get them
891
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,480
in.
They they, they really going to
892
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,560
get them in.
They going to try, they going to
893
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,080
try their damnedest out.
I think, you know, SMU losing
894
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,120
could throw some some, some some
janky stuff in there.
895
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:56,040
I think if SMU was behind, who
is it behind Indiana?
896
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,600
They would definitely.
They wouldn't.
897
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,000
They wouldn't survive it.
They wouldn't.
898
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Survive a loss.
I think being in front of
899
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,520
Indiana, it's going to be
interesting.
900
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,040
It's.
Going to be interesting because
901
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:09,360
do you drop like in my position
here I got UNLV, do you drop
902
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,400
them two spots?
That's it.
903
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,480
You got you got UNLV jumping I
and I.
904
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,680
I get what you're doing.
I don't foresee that scenario.
905
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Well, again, I looked at that
game from earlier this season
906
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,680
and when you hold Janetti to
under 4 yards, you carry.
907
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,240
I think they can do it again and
that's why I think they can pull
908
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,320
the upset because again, they
got to beat them twice in the
909
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,480
same seat.
Yeah, and that's the thing
910
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,120
that's.
Oh, go ahead.
911
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,600
No.
No, go ahead.
912
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,520
I'll just say that's the thing
like about Texas and Texas and
913
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Georgia, you know what I'm I'm
saying it's like you got to play
914
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,720
somebody twice.
It's in the season.
915
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,880
It's rough to beat you somebody
twice, you know what I'm saying?
916
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:00,600
But both of.
Oh oh, we lost your mic tally.
917
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,560
We got the Alabama buffer.
Going y'all lose me?
918
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,440
We lost your mic.
That was weird.
919
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Like you're still moving normal
and everything.
920
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,320
Yeah, it's going to be
interesting.
921
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,480
I mean, and, and, and, and I
don't know if you got a chance
922
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,280
to get your who you think the
12's going to be.
923
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Obviously Alabama's going to be
#11 or #12 per you.
924
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,360
Let's just put that on there Is
you're looking kind of that in
925
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,560
your head about what could break
out because you've got, let me
926
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,760
just put it up here, tally, just
so you can get your points in
927
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,800
the air because you got Texas
winning, you got Clemson
928
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,480
winning.
You got found it out here.
929
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,160
You got Arizona State winning,
you got Boise winning.
930
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,160
So you're saying boys is going
to get a buy?
931
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Yeah, I think boys are going to
win and get a buy.
932
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Boys are wins and gets a buy and
you got Oregon.
933
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,120
So I mean, as you look at the
other teams that are going to
934
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,440
make it, do you think I'll ask
you this, do you think it's
935
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,360
going to be Notre Dame, Alabama
on that on the 20 or 21st?
936
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,520
Are they going to make that game
that the the like the prized
937
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,920
game of the week?
Probably.
938
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,560
I mean, that's, that's, that's a
good, yeah, that's a good set
939
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,640
up, you know what I'm saying?
Because you're bringing two big
940
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
money markets together and
that's what they want.
941
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,240
And it's got some history.
Even though Manti Te'o's
942
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,880
girlfriend wasn't real and I
think the last time they played
943
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,640
each other and all of that.
But yeah, that they want, they
944
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,200
want something like that.
That's we'll probably see
945
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,560
something like that.
And that stuff we expect as fans
946
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,080
to that stuff.
That's one reason we all get
947
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,360
excited about the playoff, that
a a lot more teams have the
948
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,720
opportunity to get a chance to
go play, potentially win and
949
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,760
then the big matchups.
And then it's going to be big
950
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,680
matchups not at bowl games, but
at home fields.
951
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Because tally it.
It was like 56 down there today.
952
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,480
It was like 21 up in South Bend.
It's probably like 15 there
953
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,200
tonight and that I think they
make.
954
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,160
That no, it was like, it's like
39 here.
955
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,000
That was during the day.
Yeah, it's like 30.
956
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,000
I think it got up to like 42.
It's been cold.
957
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,640
Hey, it's cold here too, man.
We What do we do?
958
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,880
Here.
I'm I'm wearing layers.
959
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,640
If I'm wearing layers, it's cold
out.
960
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:24,160
It's.
Cold.
961
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,080
It's cold.
All right.
962
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200
Yeah, There you go.
That's the way.
963
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,280
That's the way a lot of people
are feeling right now, Robbie.
964
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,600
So you put it out there.
Tally, tally, Robbie's on board
965
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,160
with you here.
Yeah, Think we'll let him loose.
966
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,440
All right, well, let's get to
it.
967
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,000
We went through big screeners.
We talked about the playoff.
968
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Let's get to what happened on
Saturday night at Lane Stadium.
969
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,120
Let's do a little tell the truth
on Tuesday and y'all tell me
970
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,800
tell me what y'all feel.
I don't care who starts and what
971
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,520
it's about.
Just tell me what you feel.
972
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,640
We go six and six.
We make a bowl again.
973
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,000
Yay.
Guess I'm happy about that.
974
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Me and tally people get probably
roasted us all them too, dummy
975
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,000
Say UVA was going to win.
I'm Yeah what we were in our
976
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,440
feelings last week.
Yeah, that's all I'm going to
977
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,920
say.
We were in our fields last week
978
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
so but.
What everybody forgot for a
979
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,640
second that UVA is ass.
There you go.
980
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,160
But what in what in y'all's
opinion?
981
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Y'all love Saturday night?
What went well for y'all?
982
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,000
I love seeing the two best
players on the team eat one last
983
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,400
time.
APR facial tube.
984
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,520
Love seeing that.
Sheldon, what about you?
985
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Man, well, I missed, I missed a
good check of the first half.
986
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,320
I caught most of the
second-half.
987
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,200
I did.
I did rewatch the majority of
988
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,880
the first half a couple days
ago, but I don't know, I mean, I
989
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,200
thought I thought Pop was really
good.
990
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,240
They it seemed like they kind of
structured the passing game
991
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,640
around the strengths, you know,
kind of mostly rolling them out,
992
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,840
you know, quick reads, nothing
too complex and deep shots to
993
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,160
kind of protect him a little
bit.
994
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,680
So I thought Bowen did a really
good job of kind of managing the
995
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,360
game with Pop and they kind of
maximize, maximize the skill
996
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,800
sets.
Yeah, deep shots, RP OS
997
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,640
rollouts, I mean, that was
basically basically what they
998
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,320
went with.
And they I mean, it was a it was
999
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,560
a key to success and they did a
good job executing.
1000
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,880
And I think pop the, the one
thing I noticed about pop is in
1001
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,480
in this is I think even better
compared to, you know, what we
1002
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,560
saw the week before with the
week of practice against the UVA
1003
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,840
team.
So we'll, we'll caveat it there.
1004
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Pretty decisive with with
whether it was running the
1005
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,400
football, whether it was keeping
it, whether it was getting the
1006
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,440
ball out of his hands on the
RPO.
1007
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,760
He he made decisions pretty
quick and kind of rode with
1008
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,720
that.
It wasn't any second guessing or
1009
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,280
pussyfoot did the back feel like
when when he made a decision to
1010
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,200
do something he did it.
Kylie, what about you, man?
1011
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,120
What?
What caught your eye Saturday?
1012
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,240
Sitting there at the hell?
Probably eating some leftovers,
1013
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,800
having a drink.
Yeah, no, a little bit of that,
1014
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,520
a little bit of none of that.
But yeah, just they mainly, it
1015
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,920
was like they knew they was
better than UVA.
1016
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,400
They went out and and played
like they were better.
1017
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,600
Like the coaches coached like
they weren't scared.
1018
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,160
They coached like they knew they
was going to win.
1019
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,480
The players act like they knew
they were going to win.
1020
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
We just went in the game and
played, you know what I'm
1021
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200
saying?
If we went into some other games
1022
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,440
like that instead of being like,
well, shoot, we can't do this
1023
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,960
because this person might get
hurt or we can't do this because
1024
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,080
we may lose.
We probably would have won.
1025
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,000
So I just feel like they knew
they would have better team and
1026
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,400
they just went, but they've been
doing that like it's it's been
1027
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,080
happening.
When they know that better than
1028
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,400
the team, they go play.
If they think it's a chance that
1029
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,400
we could lose, we get a hold on,
we might shouldn't do that.
1030
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,080
We may should try this.
I don't know, man, but what went
1031
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,320
well where we just knew we were
better than them and we went and
1032
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,880
played like it.
Tally we, we've talked about
1033
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,280
this a lot with like the
confidence of this team and
1034
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,880
maybe even specific players too.
When this team plays with
1035
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,320
confidence, whether it's players
coaches, they're a different
1036
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,960
team.
They, they, they look like what
1037
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,640
we expected them to be from the
start of the season to the end
1038
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,840
of the season, when they play
with that type of confidence and
1039
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,560
when they coach with that type
of confidence.
1040
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,200
And you know, we talked about
some games them getting
1041
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,760
conservative on offense and
defense.
1042
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,320
And we didn't really, you know,
when, when UVA started moving
1043
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,880
the football on defense against
our defense, I mean, we didn't
1044
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,640
hold back on offense.
We, we, we leaned on what we do.
1045
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,920
Well, we got up there, got
another touchdown, put the game
1046
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,040
out of reach.
And, and that's, that was that.
1047
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,280
I think we we didn't overthink
it like we have in some of those
1048
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,960
other games where, you know, the
asshole is a little tight and
1049
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,040
we're not playing with that type
of confidence or coaching with
1050
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:55,840
that type.
Of confidence.
1051
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,520
I love what you said, Tally
right there about how when we
1052
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,960
know we're better than a team,
the confidence shows.
1053
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,200
When we think about it, we have
moments, but we also in those
1054
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,880
moments, there are some moments
where it's just like go to
1055
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,440
Miami, 17 1/2 point underdogs.
And we just played in that
1056
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,680
throughout that whole game, even
up to the last Hail Mary throw.
1057
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,160
We can win this game.
We can win this game.
1058
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Go to parts of the second-half
of Vanderbilt way back in
1059
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,080
August, Think about it.
And oh man, this isn't good.
1060
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,280
And then the second-half starts
rolling.
1061
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,600
It's like we can win this game.
And then what happens?
1062
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,960
We have one bad thing and then
it just snowballs.
1063
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,560
And that to me is on coaching
more than it is kids.
1064
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,360
These are 17 to 23 and some 24
year old guys out there.
1065
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,040
Again, Sheldon, you're like 25.
You're just you're getting past
1066
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,200
that age. 26 Don't tell me
short.
1067
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,400
You know, I was telling you a
little bit younger, but you're
1068
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,000
26.
And The thing is, everybody has
1069
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,480
that when you're in your 20s.
You can have you can, you can
1070
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,920
have everything going for you in
the world.
1071
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,200
And then one bad thing happens
and it you up, straight up,
1072
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,200
whether it be a bad grade fight
with your girlfriend, fight with
1073
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240
a friend, it can match you up.
And these guys are asked to do
1074
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,600
this every week.
I'm going to go same route.
1075
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Brian, you mentioned APR 8
because he was creating chaos. 3
1076
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,160
sacks should have got that
phone.
1077
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,920
I'm still trying to figure out
how he did not get that fumble
1078
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,880
recovery in my life.
But I'm going to ask you all
1079
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,160
this.
To me, there's a Pantheon or a
1080
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,640
Rushmore, 4 defensive ends in
Virginia Tech history that go up
1081
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:37,600
there.
Bruce Smith, Corey Moore, Daryl
1082
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,360
Tap, and I'm blanking on the guy
from Lynchburg to play the
1083
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,080
glass.
Brown, Cornell Brown.
1084
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,400
With the seasons he's had, I
love Daryl Tap.
1085
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,040
We've interviewed him.
Does he bump Daryl Tap off to
1086
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,560
Rushmore and is he effectively
the defensive end?
1087
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Rushmore.
I mean you can definitely make
1088
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,520
that argument.
I think if if he played one more
1089
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,840
season for the Hokies it would
be a no brainer.
1090
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,800
If he even if he had a season
like last year compared to this
1091
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,240
year, I think you'll be a no
brainer.
1092
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,920
I think we're just looking at
the the the two year sample
1093
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,760
size.
You can make it argue it.
1094
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,680
I don't know if it if it quite
gets there, but you can
1095
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,040
definitely make an argument.
I think for him, because of the
1096
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,400
transfer portal and stuff,
because most of the other guys
1097
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,040
came in and being like you want
to say it's just because their
1098
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,080
college career, but it also has
to do kind of how to get drafted
1099
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,680
and then what they do after they
get drafted.
1100
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,400
So for him going to Florida,
then coming back to Virginia
1101
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,320
Tech through the transfer
portal, and like Brian had said,
1102
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,640
if he had one more season, but
he doesn't, I think it'll come
1103
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,120
down to where he gets drafted in
most like Hokey's heads.
1104
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Like if he goes first round or
high second round, I think
1105
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,360
people would be like, yeah, you
know what I'm saying?
1106
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,120
If he slips down to the third
round or, or whatever the case
1107
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,960
may be, you know, then people
will be like, you know, they
1108
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,800
won't really think about it.
But if he goes high, like, you
1109
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,760
know, some are predicting he
will, then I think people would
1110
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,240
100% go, yeah, he's he's there.
You know, you got to bump this
1111
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,680
person off whoever, anybody
besides Bruce, you know what I'm
1112
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,760
saying?
Like most people would say.
1113
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:26,560
But that's just my opinion.
Your music, Curtis.
1114
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,080
Oh, I thought it was me.
No, tell him you.
1115
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,800
Yeah, yeah.
So what was the what's the
1116
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,680
problem I was researchers on?
Defensive end don't watch more
1117
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,640
tech Smith or more.
Yeah, I don't know.
1118
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,960
I don't know if I'm qualified
because I wasn't around for the
1119
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,200
glory days of BT football.
So like my, you know, my top
1120
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,480
defensive ends are like
obviously APR and then outside
1121
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,560
of that, I mean.
Can a Kingdom?
1122
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,600
Yeah, it can.
Who?
1123
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,640
I mean, who Trayvon.
I mean Trayvon Hill, honestly,
1124
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,920
like if you're just talking my
time frame of watching BT
1125
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,040
football, that like that's who
that's who'd be the Mount
1126
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,920
Rushmore.
My daddy, Daddy.
1127
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,960
Daddy.
Yeah, daddy.
1128
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,880
So I mean, there've been a
handful of decent ones, but
1129
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,800
yeah, I'm just not.
I mean, obviously, you know,
1130
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Corey Moore, I don't know, I I
just, I just wasn't around for
1131
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,200
the glory days.
So I don't know if I can really
1132
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,280
comment.
I love putting you always.
1133
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,440
Sheldon's always gets to throw
that out every time.
1134
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,240
He's I was, I was like 3.
I don't know.
1135
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,680
Yes, yeah.
So in Sheldon's eyes, he gets 2
1136
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,960
spots, he gets two.
He gets 2 spots on Mount
1137
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,480
Rushmore because he's so, you
know, he's young, he hasn't seen
1138
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,440
a a lot of, you know, defensive
ends, but he.
1139
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,560
Absolutely say they have to be
there because of all the
1140
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,480
accolades.
Then APR gets 2 spots.
1141
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,120
All right, where do y'all?
Where do y'all want us to go for
1142
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,720
a bowl?
Birmingham, Birmingham tell.
1143
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,160
Them tally.
Tell them tally.
1144
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Tally Walton.
Just so Bolton.
1145
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,200
I don't want to go back to
Fenway.
1146
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,120
Fuck Fenway.
We've never been to Fenway.
1147
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,800
I don't want to go to Fenway.
I don't.
1148
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,840
Want to go to Fenway?
I could probably.
1149
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Get I've been to, say, Yankee
Stadium, but I don't want to go
1150
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,200
there either.
I've seen somebody.
1151
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,000
One of the predictions had us
like against West Virginia
1152
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,399
somewhere, maybe armed forces
ball or something.
1153
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,800
Fort Worth, Yeah, I saw.
That something like that
1154
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,479
probably I mean, I don't know
about Fort Worth, but I feel
1155
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,200
like opponent like playing
against West Virginia probably
1156
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,439
would be good for us anywhere
they go.
1157
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:39,160
It don't matter if we five and
six, six and six, ten and six,
1158
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,479
Virginia Tech, Hokey Nation
going to show up.
1159
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,840
So wherever they put us, they're
going to have they're going to
1160
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,080
have Hoagie fans that for sure.
Curtis said don't rain like it
1161
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,160
did last year.
Oh my God, first bowl experience
1162
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,080
in a monsoon.
We're not going back there.
1163
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,120
I don't think they're going to
send us a Fenway just because
1164
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,200
for the simple fact that there's
too many other good options
1165
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,200
where they can finagle us in.
I'll, I'll go with Tally, get it
1166
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,200
to Birmingham.
So that man go see his team play
1167
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,840
this year in person.
We had a lot of stuff going on
1168
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,399
where we didn't get to make
games this year.
1169
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,560
Shelton made enough for I think
all of us.
1170
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,880
But yeah, give me that.
All right, let's talk about the
1171
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,880
bad because there's there is one
thing that went bad in my
1172
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,120
opinion.
Tony Musket was the only damn
1173
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,680
thing they have running the ball
and then off of those runs
1174
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,640
making some intermediate throws.
And it literally took us until
1175
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,200
early in the fourth, mid fourth
quarter to finally stop it.
1176
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,359
Yeah, I was sitting over here
drinking my OGD, worried like,
1177
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,640
we're going to blow this game.
We're going to blow.
1178
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,640
They're going to do something
stupid because we've done
1179
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,399
something stupid all year.
And they're going to score a
1180
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,240
touchdown.
And then we're going to fumble.
1181
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,960
And then they're going to score
another one and we're going to
1182
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,280
get in our heads and we're going
to do this.
1183
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,520
Game Curtis saw another one
score let down PTSD late late
1184
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,360
late in the third quarter he
looked at the third he's like
1185
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,760
we're +2 in this quarter and I
feel like shit I'm.
1186
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,040
Messing you that like we won
this quarter but what?
1187
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,080
What else did y'all feel just
watching the game?
1188
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,000
And I know it's like a 17 point
win.
1189
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,080
It's like you can't find all the
bad in that.
1190
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,000
But anything that just pissed
y'all off made you want to throw
1191
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,920
shit.
Yeah, you don't want to nitpick,
1192
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,120
you know, a good win like that,
but just because we got to,
1193
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,720
that's why we're here.
I feel like some of the
1194
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,120
offensive play calling was just
unneeded, you know what I'm
1195
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,640
saying?
Like a couple of reverses that
1196
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,240
we did could have went really
bad.
1197
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,680
I think we fumbled.
One yeah, the green yeah Cam
1198
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,040
knocked it out of green.
Tan you.
1199
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Know we had a couple of times
where I just felt like we did a
1200
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,040
couple things with that
situation because I feel like we
1201
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,720
were better than them.
We just lined up and you know,
1202
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,480
you could, you could use some,
some motion and stuff.
1203
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,240
But I feel like some of the play
calls we just was kind of
1204
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,280
throwing stuff against the wall
and hoping it's stuck.
1205
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,360
And if we were playing anybody
else besides UVA, it wouldn't
1206
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,680
have stuck.
Yeah, and I and I feel like we.
1207
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,080
Didn't really that's just right.
Like I think that's.
1208
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,000
That's the thing.
Like, we didn't need to do that,
1209
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,720
like, right?
Sometimes it was getting too
1210
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,720
cute, right?
Right, I'd love.
1211
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,000
To do I Duke Mayo bowl.
Yeah, yeah.
1212
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,440
I mean, Duke Mayo is probably my
favorite.
1213
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:22,080
Like non bowl any any bowl that
doesn't really matter.
1214
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,720
Duke's my favorite so.
Charlotte.
1215
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,520
Charlotte.
Exactly.
1216
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,480
We want Charlotte.
We do.
1217
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Let's see if they'll give it to
us.
1218
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,160
Let's see if ever get 2 teams
into play all weekend.
1219
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,800
They flirt with us every year.
They'll, they'll, they'll throw,
1220
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,040
they'll throw Lane in there
every year and be like, hey,
1221
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,600
maybe.
So, Sheldon, what about you?
1222
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,800
Data statistical wise?
What went bad on Saturday?
1223
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,040
What went bad, man?
I don't know.
1224
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
It's hard to really hard to pick
too much.
1225
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,320
I mean, I mean 5 penalties for
61 yards, I guess like not, you
1226
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,760
know, not great.
And then obviously a couple of
1227
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,080
big, you know, explosives
towards the second in the
1228
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,720
second-half.
But I don't know, I mean, I I
1229
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,440
thought it was a good
performance all around.
1230
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:06,520
Like I really don't have any too
many complaints honestly.
1231
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,160
Like you know you're favored by
how, how much should it?
1232
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,880
5 1/2, it got down to 5 1/2 like
yeah.
1233
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,320
And and 1 by 1 by 20.
So I just, I'm not going to
1234
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,560
nitpick a win like this is.
It but a third screen
1235
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,600
quarterback.
Yeah, third screen quarterback.
1236
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,680
Too.
Yeah, that's crazy.
1237
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,680
There was an argument going and
and I listened to Hokey Hangover
1238
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,280
yesterday and like people and
people have been saying how have
1239
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,280
they hid pop?
How have they hid pop?
1240
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,480
What did we say at the beginning
of the season?
1241
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,960
And this is when people don't
listen.
1242
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,760
We said the best thing that Pop
was third string was why he ran
1243
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,280
the scout team every single
week.
1244
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,680
Pop got so many reps leading in
the season.
1245
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,440
That's why he didn't look rusty.
That's why he didn't look funky.
1246
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,880
He'd been playing football every
week as a scout team
1247
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,560
quarterback.
Y'all know it was him because if
1248
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,120
you saw on Saturday all the
stuff he does, it's like you can
1249
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,760
emulate that.
He can put, he can throw the
1250
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,880
deep ball good.
He sells fakes good.
1251
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,600
So Andrew Alex was like, why is
he third string?
1252
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,360
Everybody on the Twittersphere?
Oh, why is he third string?
1253
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,280
Why?
Because he's a red shirt
1254
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,960
freshman all of y'all.
If he had been too deep, y'all
1255
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,400
would have been losing your mind
is like, why is the red shirt
1256
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,240
freshman to back up?
That's not good.
1257
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,600
If you did that, you'd have
everybody would have been
1258
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,440
critical of of even using
wasting a scholarship on Collins
1259
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:24,720
League exactly.
So somebody would have been
1260
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,640
bitching about something.
I think the main thing is just
1261
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,200
his size, the way that he plays.
If they're looking for him to be
1262
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,120
there for a while, they got to
protect him, you know, and you
1263
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,280
got to get that nutritious
point, that nutrition, playing
1264
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,520
in him as much as you can before
he sees the field, so.
1265
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,840
Yeah.
We've seen him late in the
1266
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,280
season.
I don't even remember what he
1267
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,600
looked like at the beginning of
the season or even in the
1268
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,720
spring.
I mean, I knew he's I knew since
1269
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
high school he was he was a he
was good.
1270
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,400
He could ball.
But taking the kind of hits and
1271
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,840
things like that is like it, it,
it gets you hurt.
1272
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,640
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, look at Kyron.
1273
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,280
Yeah, I mean, is he built for 12
games, right?
1274
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Now.
So with him, though, he went
1275
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,080
from 170 out of high school,
he's up to like 190.
1276
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,000
He's getting.
You wish you had one more year,
1277
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,320
right?
You wish you had one more year
1278
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,840
of him to get more meat on the
bone, a little bit of fat, a
1279
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,960
little bit bigger.
Because I think the way he
1280
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,720
moves, it's not going to take
that away.
1281
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,600
You might.
If he can get to 196 by, you
1282
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,440
know, start of fall camp next
year, 197, you know, you might
1283
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,880
feel pretty good about it.
Put that man on the steak and
1284
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,000
potatoes plan.
You know another, you know, 6 to
1285
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,280
8 lbs on him.
I think you you're in a, you're
1286
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,120
in a pretty good spot there.
I don't think you ever going to
1287
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,480
get him much over 200 regardless
of what you do so.
1288
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,840
Who's he remind y'all of?
Like just say, if you looked
1289
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,720
across college football right
now, I think they said it during
1290
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,400
the broadcast.
Who's he?
1291
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,480
Who's he remind y'all of?
I'll see if y'all.
1292
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,480
You really reminds me of Tracy
Mcsorley at Penn State.
1293
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,640
OK, that's the white.
Quarterback like 511, like 100
1294
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,680
and 95200 lbs.
That's who he reminds me of in
1295
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,960
the weight with a better arm.
Who Brian?
1296
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,560
Who you think?
Oh, let me, let me think of on
1297
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,200
this for a second.
Sheldon.
1298
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,800
I'm, I'm going to go back a
little bit.
1299
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:26,120
Give give me Denard Robinson.
OK, shoeless.
1300
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:32,320
Yeah.
Oh, Sheldon, who you thinking?
1301
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,720
I don't know.
I think he reminds me of Tommy
1302
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,600
Castellanos.
OK.
1303
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,840
The way that he moves, you know,
he I think he's a has a little
1304
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:51,320
bit more skill throwing the ball
and Castellano, but the way he
1305
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,800
he can maneuver and get out of
stuff.
1306
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,520
He reminds me of him, how he
moves in the all right.
1307
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,840
I'm going to throw this one up.
I can't put him in this
1308
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,440
category.
He's got some wiggle.
1309
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,680
He doesn't have Kyler wiggle.
He does not have Kyler Murray's
1310
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,120
arm.
He has a good arm.
1311
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,880
Kyler was a center fielder in
baseball.
1312
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,840
You got to have an absolute
rocket to play center field in
1313
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,240
baseball, and he has a rocket to
be as small as he is.
1314
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,440
So, yeah, All right, real quick,
before I got one more thing
1315
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,320
we're going to do, tell him
we'll get it to you in a second
1316
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,840
because I know you got some shit
to get off.
1317
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,760
You caused a ruckus on Twitter,
making people all sorts of mad.
1318
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,880
Obviously national signing day
is tomorrow.
1319
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,560
We have to commit earlier today.
Portal seasons open.
1320
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,120
We've got 3 defensive lineman
already there, probably more as
1321
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,280
we were sitting.
We're going to come back next
1322
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,400
week and kind of unwrap that
stuff because there's going to
1323
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,800
be probably more portal entries,
maybe some other changes.
1324
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,280
So ain't no need to talk about
it tonight.
1325
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:52,000
But Tally, the floor is yours
because you go ahead and put it
1326
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,840
out now in spoken word.
What you put in that tweet?
1327
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,440
No, SO most of the time for the
season, of course everybody you
1328
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:04,680
got to have somebody that you
got to put a blame on right.
1329
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,600
So I just like the debate.
I'm not telling people that are
1330
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,520
wrong.
I just want to hear what people
1331
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,320
say because I'm like y'all are
telling me that Marv is the
1332
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,760
reason we lost all these games
and I mean people was giving
1333
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,360
good stats.
Well, we LED in this game.
1334
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,680
Well, we LED in this game.
I'm like well, if you look at
1335
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,800
the games, it was more than just
defensive let downs.
1336
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,360
Sure.
Marvel wasn't adjusting well in
1337
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:36,920
the third quarter, I agree.
But if I'm looking at it from a
1338
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:44,040
holistic standpoint, right, our
top defensive player is, I mean,
1339
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,440
our top player that gets drafted
is going to be a defensive
1340
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:50,320
player and we're going to have
more defensive players drafted.
1341
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,520
Is that because they were
developed well?
1342
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,000
Is that because of the scheme
worked for them, You know what
1343
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,680
I'm saying?
And then we had all these pieces
1344
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,680
come back on offense.
You got everything you wanted on
1345
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,520
offense.
You paid people big money.
1346
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,240
You got every piece back that
you wanted maybe besides online,
1347
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,600
I guess they may or didn't get
some online.
1348
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,280
But the pieces that we had you,
you got them back.
1349
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:17,320
And we're still 6:00 and 6:00.
So people say, well, you had
1350
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,080
this defensive, you had APR and
you're still 66.
1351
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,040
I'm like, yeah, but the offense
had as much talent, you know
1352
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,640
what I'm saying?
I feel like it was more question
1353
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,240
marks on the defense then it was
the offense at the beginning of
1354
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,400
the season and they said, well,
people got hurt on the on the
1355
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,840
offense.
Well, the starting safety got
1356
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,680
hurt in the first game, Stroman
got hurt the first game.
1357
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,680
So it's you just I just don't
understand how you pick one and
1358
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,000
not the other.
You know what I'm saying?
1359
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,640
I'm picking the head man anyway.
I'll just tell everybody that I
1360
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,840
feel like it's the head man's
fault, the games that was that's
1361
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,480
my opinion.
But if you just say somebody got
1362
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,280
to fall on the sword, I just
want I was just wondering how
1363
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,440
people say it's Kyron's fault
and it's Mars fault.
1364
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,640
So, Brian?
What you think about it, I know
1365
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,000
you seen.
The tweet that they was killing.
1366
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Me, I I saw the tweet.
They were killing you.
1367
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,240
If we talk about somebody got to
fall on the sword and it's got
1368
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,880
to be somebody that's not Brent
pride and not with Babcock,
1369
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,120
right.
So we're, we're talking about
1370
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,960
somebody down the down the
pecking order.
1371
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,920
I do lean Marv over Bowen and
I'll give you my reasoning and
1372
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,160
most of it has to do with it.
It's similar to to pride the,
1373
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,800
the things that Marv doesn't do
well, regardless of game day, I
1374
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,800
think Marv doesn't do a great
job of adjusting, especially in
1375
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,640
the third quarter.
I think those game plans have
1376
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,280
been been pretty rough.
I think that Bowen, even when
1377
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,600
things aren't working, he does
adjust pretty well or is at
1378
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,600
least quicker to adjust to try
something new in the game.
1379
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:01,720
But when I look at quarterback
performance against linebacker
1380
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,280
performance, I think despite
injuries and everything else, I
1381
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,720
think the quarterback still
overall performed better
1382
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,840
individually at that position
than the linebackers did
1383
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,280
collectively at their position.
And then I look at the fact that
1384
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,960
Bowen can recruit and Marv
can't.
1385
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,920
He, Marv is a minus recruiter,
Bowen is a plus recruiter.
1386
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,080
So all that together, I think
that puts Marv higher up on the
1387
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,240
on the chopping block then then
then Bowen in my opinion.
1388
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:37,560
Show you go next.
So I've, I've been a little,
1389
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,120
I've certainly been more
critical of Marv this season
1390
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,240
just in terms of, you know, the,
the Russian defense wasn't
1391
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,800
great.
And when you isolate that, it's
1392
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,640
pretty clear the linebackers
were a major, a major problem.
1393
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,560
Linebacker plays just wasn't
good enough.
1394
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,280
Tech finished 62nd in Russian
success rate, which you know, is
1395
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,200
not terrible, but again, with
how much you returned and the
1396
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,960
fact that you had a full year to
kind of revamp that linebacker
1397
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,320
room, it just isn't good enough.
So, you know, I think the
1398
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,200
linebackers it it might be a
bigger issue with recruiting
1399
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:08,920
than is with coaching, just
because you look at a guy like
1400
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,520
Caleb Woodson, who was, you
know, pretty much, I mean, one
1401
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,280
of the best performing guys in
the entire room, arguably be
1402
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,440
best performing and he's a young
guy.
1403
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:20,160
So, you know, there's there's
some potential there, but I
1404
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,240
don't I don't think they manage
that room correctly.
1405
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,720
And and that's mark custody,
like that's he's got to own
1406
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,120
that.
So I think, you know,
1407
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,320
metrically, you know, there's
some nuance there because the
1408
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,760
defense did improve from last
year and the offense, you know,
1409
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,840
kind of plateaued in some areas.
But I also think the offense was
1410
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,320
dealing with, you know, a
limited offensive line and
1411
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,040
injuries to key skill players,
including the quarterbacks.
1412
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,360
So you kind of give going a
little bit of the pass there.
1413
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,720
I just think I don't think the
defense really maximized their
1414
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,920
potential.
And I think the offense was a
1415
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,680
little bit closer to kind of
doing, you know, as much as what
1416
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,640
they had.
So I've been, I've been a little
1417
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,800
bit more critical of Marv this
season.
1418
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,680
I like this because tally.
Now I'll say this.
1419
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,680
Put up Robbie's.
I'll throw this in too.
1420
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:06,240
Yeah, Robbie, thank you.
That's my what?
1421
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,680
But I'll say this to him.
Y'all.
1422
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,000
Excuse me, I'm eating some
presses.
1423
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,280
You fine.
Another thing that kind of threw
1424
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,960
me for a loop is like, OK, if we
won, we won six games, right?
1425
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,280
So if we won eight games, if we
won eight games and we lost
1426
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:27,480
four, we would probably be here
in a lot different position and
1427
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:31,560
feel different, especially if
those wins came against Miami
1428
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,600
and Duke.
Yep.
1429
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,800
Your defense gave you, if I'm
not mistaken, I know they gave
1430
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,040
you 4 turnovers against Duke
because people say, well you
1431
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,640
know, we scored this many
points.
1432
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,680
I'm like it's OK if you score
35, but what if you can score
1433
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,360
50?
Like you got to take the layup
1434
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,480
points we we had.
I know we got 4 turnovers and
1435
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,000
won the turnover battle against
Duke.
1436
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,760
Still lost.
We won the turnover battle
1437
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,680
against Miami.
We won the turnover battle
1438
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,320
against Miami and I can't
remember how many we had.
1439
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,760
We may have had three today,
like one.
1440
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,600
But whatever the case is, I know
we won the turnover battle there
1441
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,400
and we still lose.
So it's like is the defense
1442
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,360
doing enough for us to win?
Or is it like it's just to me, I
1443
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,120
feel like the defense and the
offense never was on the same
1444
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,600
page.
One would give us some stuff the
1445
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,200
other wouldn't.
And then I feel like a lot of
1446
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,560
times again, I ain't trying to
go down the rabbit hole with it,
1447
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,120
but this is just my thinking
when I'm everything's done and I
1448
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:39,800
got time to analyze.
We mismanaged injuries 100% and
1449
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,520
I wasn't in, I wasn't in the
locker room, but I could on the
1450
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,880
outside looking in.
We mismanaged injuries on both
1451
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:51,440
sides and we are where we are.
So who does that fall on?
1452
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:55,080
Like I just feel like everybody
was quick to say it's Marv, it's
1453
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,560
Marv, it's Marv.
And then what Robbie said made
1454
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,200
the most sense to me.
Like y'all told me that Pride is
1455
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:05,600
a not y'all, but the world says
Pride's a defensive guru, right?
1456
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,200
So if my defensive guy is having
a problem because he's a young
1457
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,240
coach and this is the first time
coordinator he's having a
1458
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,680
problem, you mean to tell me you
couldn't step in and show us
1459
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:22,120
some things that's going to help
the defense or hell, Bud Foster
1460
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,680
walking around, We can't ask him
to come in and run some kind of
1461
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,000
something to help.
Like, I just feel like it's some
1462
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,240
things the head coach should do,
could do to help the defense
1463
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,720
more than if there is a great
offensive coordinator out there
1464
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,800
and proud of the defensive
coach.
1465
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,040
I feel like we would we would
benefit more from having a great
1466
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,520
offensive coordinator.
That's just my opinion.
1467
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,040
Now, Curtis, I know you have
some stuff that you want to go
1468
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,840
with what you got.
You're on mute too.
1469
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,240
Get off mute first.
Microphone, the microphone
1470
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,440
lights undone.
This is what all of the point
1471
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:02,080
you're making is.
There were times this year where
1472
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,600
the defense would like that.
Opposite way is where there were
1473
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,920
times the offense just scored
and scored.
1474
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:12,840
It would be like another score.
Syracuse.
1475
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:19,640
In the Syracuse game, offense
still put up, what, 31 was that,
1476
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,080
right, 31.
I had to score for your second.
1477
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,480
I got 31, 31, right?
Yeah.
1478
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:31,560
The offense put up 31 in that
game and the defense played a
1479
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,600
great first half and then they
just fell.
1480
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,480
It was never.
And Price said it and he said it
1481
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,640
and he tried saying this is what
his preaching thing is,
1482
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,240
complimentary football.
We had very little complimentary
1483
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,560
football this year.
We had very little score,
1484
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,600
touchdown, make a stop, go, put
a field goal up, make a stop,
1485
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,960
pin them deep.
We didn't have that.
1486
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,440
We didn't have any complimentary
football all year.
1487
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:01,960
That's why we're six and six now
to this point.
1488
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,160
Robbie does make a good point.
If Marv isn't doing well in your
1489
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,760
former head coaches of DC, he
should be getting in that room.
1490
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,880
How much does he go into that
room is the question.
1491
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,360
And what we said, he go into
that room, where do we see it
1492
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,520
more?
But I'm like this, I'm like, I
1493
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,240
think both need to go because
even though I like Tyler Bone as
1494
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,040
a recruiter and there are times
where he's sitting at the
1495
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,680
blackjack table and he can't do
no wrong, then there's times he
1496
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,560
does it and he busts every
single hand in a row where he
1497
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:39,200
cannot put up anything.
So, oh, there you go.
1498
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,640
That is a good question.
Has anybody asked?
1499
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,280
Does he stand with it still goes
back on pry here for the same
1500
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:51,080
reason Robbie brought up there,
because if it prize in the
1501
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,960
defense that much and we're
still having inconsistencies,
1502
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,840
then you know that that's still
a reflection there.
1503
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:03,880
It's a it's a reflection on Pry.
Now, if he did do that, that's
1504
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,800
probably why Marv's going to get
the hook.
1505
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,320
But I've said this, and I said
it after the Syracuse game, and
1506
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,400
I'm going to continue to say it.
Things have to be changed.
1507
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,240
We are were multiple games under
500 in the whole 10 year the
1508
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,120
last two years because I give
the free pass to the first year.
1509
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,920
It probably was the single worst
P5 roster in the country.
1510
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,640
Think about that.
The last, the only argument you
1511
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,640
can say is did did we do enough
to try to flip it year one?
1512
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,280
But as far as?
What that What?
1513
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,120
We did with the talent we had,
that's you're not going to get
1514
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,680
much better than.
But that was a cultural
1515
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,760
decision.
That was a cultural decision
1516
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,200
that was basically, and we'll
give everybody an opportunity
1517
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,280
that's already here and put them
on there.
1518
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:50,160
The thing that needs to happen
is you've got to change things
1519
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,480
in this staff.
Inexperienced top to bottom is
1520
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,800
the killer.
Yep, you've got to go find some
1521
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,400
old heads.
And I don't care if it's a
1522
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,240
defensive coordinator, if it's
an offensive assistant, if it's
1523
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,720
an offensive coordinator, you've
got to change the dynamic in
1524
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,880
those rooms.
You've got to put an old head
1525
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,480
that when somebody does some
stupid, I mean, we all work with
1526
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:09,280
these people at some point in
time in our life.
1527
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,520
They're older and you say
something dumb and they just
1528
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,640
tell you straight up like that's
stupid.
1529
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:17,360
Like don't, don't do that again.
Now, some might do it in more
1530
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,240
gentler ways, but they need
somebody in there smacking in
1531
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,640
the back of the head, right?
Like, no, we ain't doing that.
1532
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,040
Why are you going to why are you
going to run a cover 2 versus
1533
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,120
this?
They're going to eat it up all
1534
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,360
day or why aren't you going to
put a spy on the quarterback
1535
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,360
that can run?
That was the only.
1536
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,680
One, he's the only one running.
He's.
1537
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,800
The only one doing anything.
He was the only one doing
1538
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,680
anything Saturday night and it
took us 3 1/2 quarters to stop
1539
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,680
it.
That is I can't deal with that.
1540
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,400
I can deal with the quarter.
I can deal with the broken
1541
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,800
plate, can't deal with the
consistencies like that.
1542
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,520
The question now goes, as we
kind of start wrapping it up
1543
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,200
here tonight is when are we
going to see the changes?
1544
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,280
We're seeing the portal.
They're they're doing the big
1545
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:10,000
signing day thing tomorrow
starting at like 7:00, which I
1546
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,600
think we're going.
I don't think there's going to
1547
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:12,880
be any flips.
I don't think I think we're
1548
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,600
going to sign everybody.
But I think I said to I can't
1549
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,440
remember.
I texted all y'all this or you
1550
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,320
this or put this somewhere.
There's going to be pissed off
1551
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,240
people when they see all the
coaches in the room glad hand
1552
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,160
and making announcements
tomorrow because people going to
1553
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,480
be like all these other schools
right now are letting people go.
1554
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,640
Josh Caddis got kicked to the
curb today.
1555
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,440
Guy who was a quarterback coach
for JJ McCarthy got kicked to
1556
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:37,880
the curb today.
Plus, Miles on left, Jamie
1557
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,800
Chadwell's leaving, movements
happening.
1558
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,200
We're just sitting here, oh,
we're all good, everybody,
1559
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,240
everything's good.
No, everything ain't good.
1560
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,680
You're an average football team
with an above average roster
1561
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,960
this year and you epically
failed.
1562
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,400
OK, so I have some some nuanced
thoughts about this.
1563
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,320
So you talk about you talk about
the assistance.
1564
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,960
Look, I do agree that you know,
you have to make staff changes
1565
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,680
because I mean like there's no
choice like you win six and six
1566
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,240
make staff changes.
But I probably I probably learn
1567
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,160
more towards the tally way of
looking at this because I think
1568
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,360
when you look at the overall
body of work, there's just
1569
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,600
nothing that this team is really
bad at, but nothing that they're
1570
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,080
also great at.
And so I think you can make a
1571
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,480
case for keeping, you know, this
assistant of that.
1572
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,400
But the ultimate problem is that
you have a head coach who's 1
1573
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,280
and 12 and one score games and
finds a way to lose and finds a
1574
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,160
way to snatch snatch defeat from
the jaws of victory every single
1575
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,080
week.
I just don't know that the the
1576
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,280
performance of the coordinators
has been bad enough to justify
1577
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,040
an immediate like, you know, a
reactionary decision.
1578
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,160
But it's like, it's just this
weird situation where like the
1579
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,760
the play on the field exceeds
the win loss record, but
1580
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,560
everybody wants to fire the
assistants.
1581
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,120
But the main problem seems to be
the head coach.
1582
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,320
I just, I think it's a weird, I
just think it's a weird dynamic.
1583
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,040
So let me let me let me go here
so.
1584
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,960
First of all, no, Brian, because
I know you were doing that
1585
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,240
listening.
So I think the problem that
1586
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:16,600
we're in is we're in a situation
where from a buyout standpoint,
1587
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,000
it prize the problem.
We can't move on from pry right
1588
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,240
now so that that we're starting
at square 1.
1589
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:30,480
So, so if, if, if that's where
we're starting at, then do we
1590
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:33,280
ride with what Sheldon's saying
and like, OK, well, they they
1591
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,800
haven't been good, but they
haven't been bad enough to to
1592
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,720
fire them.
What's the middle ground here?
1593
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:45,840
Is the middle ground, bringing
in a analyst some sort of
1594
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:52,320
experience, seasoned game
management analysts that can
1595
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:58,600
work with pride to season some
of these problems that we've had
1596
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,280
throughout the year in terms of
game management, in terms of
1597
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,120
crucial decision making in those
those key moments in the game?
1598
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,000
Because I mean, we talked about
it, those those are probably
1599
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,640
cost us at least two, maybe
three wins this year, right?
1600
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,640
It when we look at the, the
cumulative effect, you know,
1601
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,360
this could easily be an 8 or 9
win team if a handful of
1602
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,360
decisions are made better on
game day.
1603
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:31,440
So when we look at that, it is
is the answer Stan and Pat and
1604
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,480
bringing in an analyst like that
because you're not in a position
1605
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:38,080
right now to to scrap it again
and start from scratch.
1606
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,280
That's a good question.
Great question.
1607
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,720
And that's the thing I don't
again, I'm not the one that's
1608
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,720
out here beating the drums
saying fire pry, but I just know
1609
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,080
that I don't feel like Fire and
Marv is going to make us win
1610
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,360
more games next year or the next
year.
1611
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,200
You know, I don't I don't I
can't definitively say that
1612
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:02,720
because Pryor is still the head
coach.
1613
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,160
He is the one that's losing.
He's the one like again.
1614
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,000
And Brian, I know you want to
go, so don't forget what you're
1615
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,000
going to say, what you what you
think about saying.
1616
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:16,040
But it's like if we do bring in
a new coordinator, of course,
1617
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,320
Oh, he's got to learn a system
that's going to set us how many
1618
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,400
years back and it's going to do
this and it's we're still making
1619
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,160
the same mistakes.
Who?
1620
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:29,240
And it's a long list of things
that went wrong, but who leaves
1621
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,840
the quarterback in when his foot
is broke?
1622
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,000
Who makes that decision?
Whose decision was it to not
1623
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,920
play Caleb Woodson?
Well, whose decision was it to
1624
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,000
not play Caleb Woodson early in
the season?
1625
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:51,120
Whose decision was it to not get
Q Reddish on the field earlier?
1626
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,920
You know, just little things
like that.
1627
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,240
Like I don't know who it is.
I don't know if it's the
1628
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,520
defensive coordinator, I don't
know if it's the head coach, I
1629
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,600
don't know if it's the position
coaches.
1630
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,920
I don't know, man.
Like it's just a lot to think
1631
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,880
about.
And again, I don't want people
1632
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,800
to thank anybody who's here
listening, who interacts with me
1633
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,120
on Twitter.
Like I'm not argumentative.
1634
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,040
I like to have discussions.
So I genuinely was asking like I
1635
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,000
see this happening.
I just want to know what do
1636
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,600
y'all think and why do you think
that Brian, what was you going
1637
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:23,720
to say?
Oh Curtis, you got some.
1638
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,040
You was going.
Brian, Brian, I got mine.
1639
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,320
I'll let you.
I'll let you go first.
1640
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,360
Man, so I'm I'm with Brian, you
have to make some change and
1641
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,840
Shelton, you have to make some
change.
1642
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,720
If you don't do an overhaul,
that's fine.
1643
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,360
But this is what you do.
You do 3 positions.
1644
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,400
The first one is Brian, your
point?
1645
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,400
You've been, you've been, you've
been beating a hammer.
1646
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:44,040
Like if you're not going to make
many changes, give him a Jerry
1647
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:48,560
Kill type figure to help manage
the games, make decisions, all
1648
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,920
that crap.
I'm good for that.
1649
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,800
I think what you do on both
sides of the ball, if you feel
1650
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,280
to Tally's point and Deshaun's
point, we aren't terrible
1651
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:00,880
anywhere.
It really is true.
1652
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,240
We're not terrible anywhere now.
We're terrible at times, we're
1653
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:08,640
awful at times doing stuff.
You bring seasons we're rarely
1654
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,400
consistently bad at.
Anything.
1655
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,840
Exactly.
Bring in that older voice.
1656
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,280
It's basically let 1 member of
the staff on each side go bring
1657
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,560
in the older voice who has the
experience.
1658
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,720
You don't have to name an
offensive or defensive
1659
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,000
coordinator, but you come in and
say, listen, your job is to
1660
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,880
improve this person.
Your job is to improve this
1661
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,960
person.
Like, you know, the name's been
1662
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,520
floated out there a lot.
I love Pearson.
1663
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,240
Prelude to death.
A lot of people know Pearson
1664
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,320
didn't want that coaching job.
Let him go back to director,
1665
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,880
player personnel, bring in Bob
Chute because one Bob Chute
1666
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,200
knows the systems.
Bob been a safety coach for a
1667
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,680
long time.
There ain't no learning curve.
1668
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,440
He's like 5758 years old.
He may not help you on the
1669
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:56,720
trail, but The thing is, if you
believe in Chris Marr, if you
1670
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,000
believe in Chris Marr can be a
good defensive coordinator.
1671
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,080
Get an old head in that room
with him consistently and
1672
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,600
constantly.
Other side, same way, bring
1673
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,320
somebody in, let go of Stu Holt,
Ron Crooks.
1674
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,040
What was one of those two guys?
Bring in somebody who's seasons,
1675
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,560
it's called plays.
It can get you out of the ruts
1676
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,800
because with Tyler, it's never
about when he's not on.
1677
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,600
It's when he's off.
It's so bad.
1678
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,920
It's so bad.
So let me let me throw this out
1679
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,920
there.
You know, we talked about a
1680
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:35,040
Jerry Kill type, but I mean,
what this staff is lacking,
1681
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,200
regardless of what position they
are, whether coordinator,
1682
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,520
position coach, head coach, this
staff does not have a lot of
1683
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:51,560
head coaching experience on it.
One guy and and that doesn't
1684
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:56,080
really count, at least not at
least not in a in, in, in, in
1685
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,560
the in the meaningful way that
we're we're looking at here.
1686
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:04,280
So and and that was a very short
tenure as well, correct.
1687
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:10,920
So when we look at that, you
know, do you do you two birds
1688
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,800
with one stone?
You get a former head coach.
1689
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,840
That's fine.
Being a coordinator that has
1690
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:20,080
that experience.
Is that a, is that a half step
1691
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,040
where you're still spending the
same amount of money and not
1692
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,880
having to hire a new coordinator
and a Jerry Kill type?
1693
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,920
Whether you have the budget for
that or not, I don't know.
1694
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:34,040
I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if a,
somebody with that type of
1695
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:39,840
seasoning that's willing to be a
coordinator underneath a, a
1696
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:44,840
Brent Pry could, could rub off
on him and be kind of that kind
1697
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,560
of that right hand man from a
game management perspective,
1698
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,400
regardless of whether they're
running the defense or running a
1699
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,600
position group or whatever,
whatever it may be.
1700
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,840
Because I think, you know, I
think the biggest problem is
1701
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,360
that just this staff top to
bottom lacks experience of
1702
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:05,200
managing games because you've
got fresh coordinators and a
1703
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,120
head coach that never did it
till he got here.
1704
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:09,440
It's true.
It's true.
1705
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,800
I think all of us here, Sheldon,
anything you want to add
1706
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,560
additional as we get ready to
wrap this thing up in the
1707
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:14,040
higher?
Mac?
1708
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,240
Listen, Mac Brown doesn't know
how to manage a game better than
1709
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:18,320
Brett Brown.
I'll say that.
1710
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,680
So Sean, anything you want to.
Yeah.
1711
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,960
I mean, I certainly think you
could, you know, maybe consider
1712
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,120
adding some consultants or
analysts and that'd be fine.
1713
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,760
But I just think when I, when I
look at the data, I'm not seeing
1714
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:35,600
the the justifications for
significant staff turnover.
1715
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,960
If, if the team had performed up
to their expectations, win loss
1716
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,080
record wise, like if if the
staff had, you know, not bungled
1717
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,800
a bunch of games that we were
seeing here, 8 and four, maybe
1718
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,160
nine and three.
I think we'd all, yeah, we'd all
1719
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,560
be happy.
And the stats would be the exact
1720
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:50,920
same.
The data, the metrics would all
1721
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,080
be the exact same.
But we're nine and three.
1722
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,480
So we're thinking, hey, man,
it's all good.
1723
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,240
Let's keep it rolling it.
May not have hit the the heights
1724
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,160
we expected, but it's at least
kind of the incremental steps.
1725
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,000
It's the expectation, you know,
levelling out at least.
1726
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,240
Yeah.
And then the final thing is, you
1727
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,240
know, I think text coordinators
are paid probably around the 35
1728
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,400
to 40 range in Power 5, some in
the ballpark.
1729
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,320
And I think you got to wonder
like if you did decide to move
1730
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,080
on, you know, could you make a,
could you make a legitimate
1731
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,800
upgrade with that salary range?
I just maybe you could I just I
1732
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,600
don't, I don't know.
And it is.
1733
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,120
Yeah.
And it is risky, you know,
1734
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:26,840
always making those changes
because you just don't know.
1735
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,480
Maybe it turns out to be worse
or or it's a downgrade.
1736
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,520
So I don't know.
Anything else, gentlemen, before
1737
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,640
we put a wrap on this, I think
anything tally Brian?
1738
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,880
Nope all.
Right back up the brinks to
1739
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,560
Jerry Kill and let's see what we
can do.
1740
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,600
I think it's just this, I think
we all need to see changes
1741
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,120
happen.
And I think Shelton, to your
1742
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,960
point, because of the way you
look at the metrics is if we
1743
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,480
went on through, you'd all be
happy.
1744
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,080
Maybe 6 and 6 was the best thing
to happen to basically show this
1745
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,920
staff is not going to be the
staff that gets us where we want
1746
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,280
to be.
That's all I'll say.
1747
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,960
Now with that being said, that
does wrap up this episode of the
1748
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,640
Boundary Corner podcast brought
to you by Accounts Family
1749
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,680
Pharmacy in Blacksburg.
I'm Curtis Wilson.
1750
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,440
I'm Brian Sigler.
German the tally.
1751
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,600
And I'm Sean Moss.
We are part of the College
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Huddle Network.
Check out our website
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boundarycornerbt.com and listen
to all of our episodes while
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you're there.
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook,
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Instagram, YouTube, all your
favorite podcast sources.
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As y'all heard from him earlier,
check out
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jason@jasonlongmusic.com.
He plays us in, he plays us out
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all of his live gigs, all of his
music's right there.
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Check it out.
If you're down in the Roanoke
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area, see where he's playing.
Go say what's up.
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Tell him you follow Boundary
Corner and that you followed all
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of his gambling picks this year
and he owes you money.
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He'd love to hear that.
But as anyways, we appreciate
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y'all all for listening all the
comments in the chats as always.
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And as always, let's go, Okie.
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