The Hokies folded late in the JMA Dome against Syracuse to fall to a disappointing 5-4 and now wait to host a Clemson team coming off their own disappointment at home against Louisville. We get to Know the Enemy in the visiting Tigers before we circle back to Tell the Truth about a game that may have been a tipping point for many in Hokie Nation. We wrap as always with our Big Screeners Picks presented by Counts Family Pharmacy.

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Music.
Welcome back to the Delmgree

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I am Curtis Wilson and as

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And before we get everything
started tonight, because we got

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obviously a lot to unload.
We have been preaching the last

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three weeks.
We had something to give away.

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We've been asking people put
1999 in the chat.

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Well over 100 people did that
and subscribe to the YouTube

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channel and earlier today,
Brian, via the magic of

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everything online nowadays,
because you can put names in a

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thing, they'll pull it out.
We have our winner.

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I can throw the process out
there real quick.

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It's a pain, yeah.
All right, so I gathered all the

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people that commented.
I got them assigned a number.

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I had AI pick a number for me,
gave them the numbers that we

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got, had them pick a number,
trace that back to the name and

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Curtis is going to read it for
you.

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The name of the winner and we
hope you are listening tonight

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because dude, jump in the
comments and we can start trying

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to get in touch with you.
It is a Jonathan Harris 8975.

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Jonathan Harris 8975.
We appreciate you listening.

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Not only that, but subscribing
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We will ask you to get in touch
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Brian, what's going to be the
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Hey, Twitter is probably going
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Hit us up at Twitter if you
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If you don't have a Twitter,
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admin@boundarycornervt.com.
Yep, big congratulations to

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Jonathan there.
And we are a four man crew

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tonight.
We got a lot to unload and

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usually we start with tell the
truth.

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I I had to talk to these guys.
I said we we can't tell the

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truth because I think tell the
truth is going to take a little

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while tonight.
I'm just being dead serious.

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I don't think we're going to be
here for four or five minutes

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doing Tell the Truth on each
section because we got a shit

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ton to unload about what's going
on with the program right now.

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So we are going to start kind of
out of routine.

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We're going to start with Know
the Enemy.

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We need to talk about Clemson
real quick because that game is

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Saturday at 3:30 at Lane
Stadium.

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So we're going to jump into that
right now.

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We're going to talk a little bit
about their players.

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Brian did some tape review.
Let's start with the offense.

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Brian led by Garrett Riley,
obviously from the Riley family

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of offense.
What's he running and what what

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are we looking to see Saturday
on at 3:30?

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Yeah, looking at their offense,
I mean this is the fast-paced

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kind of run.
First Air Raid esque system

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emphasizes aggressive play
calls.

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They run a lot of 11 personnel
and they have a a really big

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focus on kind of establishing
that run so they can get really

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aggressive with their with their
past play calls.

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All right, and obviously led by
you know four and five star

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quarterback Cade Clubnick got
off in Texas.

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Solid number so far this year
with Clubnick.

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If y'all haven't seen, you know,
21 touchdowns, 3 picks well over

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65 or just over 65% completion
right at 2000 yards.

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And if you look at his Russian
numbers, like this is not like

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Kyle fucking McCord last week.
Cade's got some wheels.

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Y'all seen it.
He averages about five times

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every time he takes off.
So what?

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What else do we see from him,
Brian?

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And then guys, anything y'all
want to chime in with after

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Brian gives his little
breakdown?

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Yeah.
I mean, looking at Cade, man,

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he's a yeah, he definitely dual
threat, kind of a pass first

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dual threat quarterback, has
that gunslinger mentality.

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So we'll sling it in the similar
way we saw with McCord last

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week, but definitely has more of
a threat to take off in the

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running game then then what we
saw from McCord in Syracuse.

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This is a guy that can make all
the throws, does really well

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with with slinging the football
around, can make some things a

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little bit off platform as well.
Probably not as bread and

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butter, but definitely not a not
a weakness either.

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He progresses through those
reads pretty well, especially

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for, you know, Mark, marginally
experienced collegiate

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quarterback at this point.
But you know, thinking about

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gunslinger mentality, he can't
force throws, especially when

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he's under duress and especially
when he's kind of out there big

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play hunting.
Like a lot of times he'll try to

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make the big play instead of the
right play.

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Tally Sheldon anything on
clubnet with y'all seen?

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I know y'all watch games.
Sheldon, I know you probably

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looked at some data points.
Yeah, PFF really likes him, you

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know, even more so than some of
the overall efficiency metrics

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would suggest.
Now why is that?

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I mean, I would say, you know a
couple things pretty solid as a

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runner.
So that's part of it.

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Also his his turn around worthy
play percentage is pretty low,

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less than 2%, which is pretty
good.

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So he's avoided the disastrous,
disastrous plays overall in the

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season for him, 21 to three
touch interception ratio.

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So he's been pretty, pretty
efficient with the football the

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entire season, really.
Yep, same thing I was going to

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say.
I mean, 21 touchdowns, 3

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interceptions, you got to get
some pressure on them.

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Definitely got to get some
pressure on them, but the damn

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pain in the ass thing about them
as y'all seen is they've got a

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damn good running game as well.
If y'all hadn't seen Phil Moffa,

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Phil again, Clemson somehow
still recruiting at a high

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level.
Y'all like I was telling them,

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how did they lose to Louisville?
I'm trying to figure this out

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because every single time I'm
looking up guys and ratings, top

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25 player, top 50 player, top
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Oh, he's one of the low ones.
He's top 300.

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How did they lose to a
Louisville team at home?

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But let's talk about Mafa.
He was a top 200 player, 4 star

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guy already this year.
You know, well over 800 yards,

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probably well on his way to 1000
yards, just about 6 1/2 a carry.

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Brian, what else are you seeing
from him?

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Because he's a big boy at that.
Yeah, he's a bruiser between the

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tackles, man.
You know, kind of a little bit

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similar to tune in terms of
after, after contact, really

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good after contact, good vision
between the tackles.

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And you know, honestly, when we
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areas that we've struggled,
that's where he's good in

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between the tackles, you know,
turning some some plays that

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should be a one or two yard gain
into those 8 or 10 yard gains,

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keeping the sticks moving.
I'd call him an above average

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receiver out of the backfield.
He's not great, but he's

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definitely serviceable in that
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Probably the only weakness in
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He kind of lacks super high top
end speed and he's not really

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that elusive in the open field.
So, you know, he's not

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necessarily a home run threat,
but he's a guy that's going to

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just grind you out the whole
game.

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Sally Shelton.
Anything y'all seen from him

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watching or nothing?
Nothing.

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Right.
Right now we trying to hold

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emotions in y'all, because if
once they explode in a little

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while here, it ain't no going
back.

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That's why I knew we couldn't do
this later, because once the

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motions exploded and they are
going to explode.

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All right, Brian, I looked at
the wide receiver room.

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They don't have that stand out
person.

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So for so many years Clemson
always had to stood out person,

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whether it was Hopkins, you
know, whether it was Sammy

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Watkins either the years where
was Hunter Renfro?

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You knew Hunter Renfro was like
that guy.

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So you looked at the tape, who
really popped to you over the

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when you were reviewing the bat,
the tapes there?

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So looking at what they're
doing, looking at kind of what's

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hurt us a lot, My eyes kind of
went a little bit of different

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way here.
So there's no real wide receiver

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that's jumping out there.
But stat wise, play wise,

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they're kind of just guys in, in
my opinion, it's it's it's kind

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of riding the hot hand.
But in terms of looking at what

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it's kind of hurt our defense a
lot this year.

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I looked at Jake Brenningstool
tight ends have really given us

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fits, especially on those kind
of plays that have kept the

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sticks moving, kept the defense
on the field for longer than we

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like.
So he's a guy that catches the

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ball well, blocks well, they use
him as a decoy.

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He can do a little bit of
everything that you want from a

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tight end from a passing game
perspective.

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So he's he's a guy that, you
know, he may not go out there

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and, and, and catch for, you
know, 80 plus yards, but he

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could be a guy that burns us on
a a handful of key first downs

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that keeps them on the field.
And obviously that's been a kind

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of an issue kind of all year in
the the the losses is extending

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drives like a drive should be
dead gone.

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They should be putting the ball.
And obviously that that does

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worry Sheldon Valley.
Anything on Jake or any of the

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receiving threats?
Yeah, 4 star.

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You know how 4 star low five
star guy to tidy in?

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He's very good.
You know, if they do anything

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well, they're kind of running
that little dump play to them.

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We're going to have to, we're
going to adjust really quickly

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because he can catch, he can
move, he can run a 6/6, 2:50

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somewhere around there.
He's got experience because he's

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a senior, so we'll have our
hands full.

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John, anything from you?
Yeah, Brian Wesco ranks pretty

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highly. 17.5 average average
yards per reception.

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Only two TDs, but typically when
you catch the ball it tends to

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go for a pretty big game.
Yeah, I do see that.

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Only a couple touchdowns, but
again, it's that over the top

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play and again with you have
Mafa, you know, up front there,

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keep pounding you.
I know somebody threw it in

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there about him getting better.
It usually is the same with the

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big guys that always goes like
that.

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All right, let's flip over.
Let's hit a little bit of their

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defense led by Wes Goodwin, who
I was reading after he got

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torched last week.
He might be getting fired.

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I know Dabo don't like firing
his people, but what's goodwill

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maybe getting fired in a few
weeks here if you don't get crap

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together, probably by the end,
if they lose South Carolina,

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he's gone.
He's gone.

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I'll say that they lose South
Carolina.

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But Brian, what's he running and
and what are they?

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What is their big philosophy on
the defensive side of the ball?

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Yeah.
I mean, it's a, it's a hybrid 43

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defense.
I mean, we're kind of looking at

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something we're very familiar
with this week, emphasis on

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stopping the run, letting that
defensive line pin their ears

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back in those early, those late
downs once they get you off the

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off the schedule there.
So that's really their game

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plan.
They've got a bunch of horses up

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front that can really do that
very well.

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And I'm sure we're going to talk
about them here shortly.

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Yeah, we are going to talk about
them because that was the first

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thing like when I looked at
where their their their run stop

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was and I started looking at the
horses up front Demonte,

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Capehart, Peyton Page just
jumped off And the first of all

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super high ranked guys when they
came out one in 2020 with

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Capehart, 2021 Peyton Page, if
that name sounds familiar, he's

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from down in Greensboro.
I do believe for a while the

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Hokies were in the mix for
Paige.

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Tally, you're more the expert on
that.

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But I feel like we were in the
mix for Paige for a little while

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coming out of Greensboro.
Obviously didn't land in both

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those guys.
You know, top 247 players,

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Capehart effectively basically a
top 50 player, a top 10

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defensive tackle and tally.
They ain't small by any means,

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are they?
No, Heck no.

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And you got size all across the
board.

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You know, even when you feel
like Clemson's having a down

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year, they still have talent all
over the field.

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So when you talk about all these
high-ranking guys, they're

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high-ranking for a reason.
I think NIL has spread it some

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of the wealth out with some
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But schools like Clemson are
still going to be really

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talented, really talented
schools, and you have to out

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coach them to beat them.
Brian, what did you see on both

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these guys?
You know, where are they playing

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as far as is one of three tech
or we got a shade one eye.

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What, what are what are we
seeing from these guys from your

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tape observations?
Yeah, when we look at at the

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tape, the more traditional 3
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Paige.
He's a lot more comfortable with

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that position.
They will kind of move these

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guys around a little bit, but
he's definitely more

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comfortable. 3 technique, you
know, Speaking of Paige in

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particular, technician, high
motor, really good, good

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quickness at the snap of the
football.

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Probably when you look at at
weaknesses, probably a little

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underpowered for an interior
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He's he's got what you would
call a weight room strength, but

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it doesn't always translate onto
the field like you would like it

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to see.
So you kind of get can get

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caught up hand fighting instead
of shedding kind of in the

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interior there.
But he's definitely more the the

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three technique.
When we look at we look at Cape

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art, kind of the opposite,
exceptionally strong at the

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point of attack.
I mean this dude is strength

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personified but still has great
athleticism for that size.

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Plays with good leverage, really
good at shedding those blocks.

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Probably the only thing that he
struggles with is, you know, pad

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level.
Playing a little bit too tall in

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the middle there.
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And there was one other guy.
Golly, I lost his name.

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I thought I had it wrote down.
They did have another pretty big

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guy.
Occasionally they'll line up at

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the end.
If I find it, I'll get it to

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you.
But I want to talk about the

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edge because obviously we know
there's a problem.

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People already putting it in the
chat and everything.

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TJ Parker is obviously their big
stud, there is no doubt.

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And that's fine.
You got one stud, it's OK, but

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you can do things.
But Brian, you know, Tally, why

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don't you talk on TJ Parker for
in a second here because he

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comes from down your way.
But we got TJ.

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We know he's all world huge
recruit tallies.

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Don't break that info down in a
second.

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But who's the other guy that may
give us some problems Saturday?

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Peter Woods man, still a young
guy, kind of a tweener.

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D tackle DN they they line him
up a little bit of everywhere,

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but he's a guy that they played
a lot more at D in this year.

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Quick off the snap, can bend the
edge surprisingly well and has

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incredible stamina for a bigger
guy.

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And you know, also for a bigger
guy, great motor and violent

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hands.
So he's he's a bigger in he's

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not going to be a guy that's
going to go out there and just

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absolutely, you know, speed rush
you off the edge.

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But he's got a lot of lot of
tools out there.

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And like I said, he's got that
position flexibility where they

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can slide him inside when they
need to.

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Tally, What about TJ Parker,
man?

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I mean, he is from down in
Alabama.

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Is that a name that you are
familiar with?

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You know, before he even got to
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Oh, yeah, TJ Parker is, I think
we talked about somebody last

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week from from Phoenix City is
where he's from, Central,

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Central, Phoenix City High
School, always a powerhouse.

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I mean, they've got many, many
state championships.

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They play in the biggest
division in Alabama.

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Very, very talented play.
I mean, he had offers from

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everywhere.
I think he kind of got down to

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Penn State and Clemson and
Alabama or something like that.

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So Uber talented guy, you know,
great, great body size, was a

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monster in high school.
You know, just you see it all

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over there, you see it all over
their their their roster, you

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know what I'm saying?
But also what you see over their

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roster is that they're very
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You know, with them having these
talented guys, they're they're a

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beatable team.
But you know, just staying on on

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TJTJ Parker is a is a handful to
deal with.

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You know, he's a he's a great
player and very highly ranked

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out of high school.
Like I said, another five star,

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four-star high 4 star, if you
want to say, but may have been

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like a 98 somewhere around
there.

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So very talented kid and you
have to you have to coach the

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beat the beat defenses like
that.

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I mean, that's all I can say.
But he's he's, he's going to be

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a handful.
And real quick and somebody put

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this put up James's in thing
because yeah, I didn't get a

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chance up.
But yeah, that was a good point.

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Yeah, yeah.
We may not see.

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Cape No no, Officially ruled
out.

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Officially ruled out.
Officially ruled out.

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Sorry y'all.
We occasionally go to work and

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occasionally we don't get to
listen to everything and read

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everything.
And I got Swanwood work when I

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got home.
All the kids were here with me.

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So yeah, if you hear them in the
background, I'm sorry.

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Yeah.
It was announced in Dabos

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presser earlier today that
Capehart will not play this

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week.
That is a huge loss for them,

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potentially a huge win for the
Hokies in that sense.

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So you might see.
A lot of Williams you might see

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a lot of.
Williams.

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Woods maybe sliding inside.
Yeah, so there you go.

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There you go.
Making Chris laugh out here.

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That's a good thing.
I as always, it it's Clemson.

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I won't say it Tally, but you
know it who who's the white blue

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kid?
Because, you know, they got one

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and they're the white blue kid.
Man, I mean, the quarterback,

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whoever, a linebacker, and they
got plenty of them.

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This, this going to come in and
they're going to play hard.

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And again, I, I honestly, I
looked at hardly no Clemson

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players because whoever lines up
on the field against us, it

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doesn't matter.
It does not matter because we

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can play with the best of teams
and we can play down with the

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worst of teams.
But it's going to start with us

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and how we handle things, which
is what we're going to talk

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about a little later.
Oh yeah, and it's fastly

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approaching.
But Brian, I know Woody Wood is,

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is one of them.
He is the white glue guy, but

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they got another glue guy out
there as well that you liked on

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tape.
Yeah, I mean, it starts and ends

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of Barrett Carter, man.
Exceptional athleticism, really

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good change of direction,
sideline to sideline type.

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Linebacker can do a little bit
of everything.

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Good against the run, pretty
good in pass coverage.

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Good Blitzer, high football IQ
guy.

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Looking at him probably a bit
undersized, which kind of even,

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you know, feeds more into the
glue guy aspect of of his game

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there probably the biggest
weaknesses that he will

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occasionally miss some run fits
here and there.

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But in terms of athleticism and
and just overall ability, he's

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the guy that kind of holds
everything together on that

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defensive side.
All right, Sheldon, you said you

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had a couple things you want to
throw in here about the defense.

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Well, yeah, and the team is all
so Clemson is not elite at

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anyone particular thing, but
they're very well-rounded.

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So you know, they rank, you
know, mid 20s, high 30s and

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pretty much all of the big
advanced statistical categories,

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defense, EPA per rush allowed,
32nd per drop back 31st.

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You know, they're top 35 in EPA
per rush and drop back on

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offense as well.
So success rate's pretty good

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too.
So just a pretty well-rounded

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team.
They're not bad at anything.

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The one set that stands out to
me is they lead the country in

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rush rate below expectations.
So in other words, they pass the

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ball more frequently than you
would expect based on down a

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distance.
So they're going to sling the

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ball around the yard pretty much
the whole game.

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So it's going to obviously put a
lot of stress on Tech's corners,

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certainly linebackers, the
safeties.

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So we'll see how that goes.
But I would say overall, just

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just a solid team that does
everything pretty well, just not

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necessarily a lead at one
particular thing.

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All righty so there it is.
I told y'all we were going to

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get through this quick.
Ain't as usual where we get a

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lot more looking at people.
Y'all know Tally?

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I love Tally because Tally will
come down sneaky and go watch

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the extra game film and then pop
in with a couple numbers.

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It won't going to be that way
this week.

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It just won't.
So as y'all know.

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It's a couple reasons.
It's a couple reasons.

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For them, oh, it is number.
One, I think not a lot of people

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need to know who Clemson is.
Right.

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So I mean, we kind of know who
they are.

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We see them, they get kind of
plastered up on any key ACC Game

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of the week, national media
covers them.

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If you're just casually
listening to ESPN or Fox or any

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of those, you're going to get a
decent idea of who the guys are

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for Clemson.
The other reason is what

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happened on Saturday to the
Hokies and how we wanted to give

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all of us are tell the truth a
little bit more room to breathe

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this week, if you will.
Because we do need to let it

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breathe.
And as we go over to tell the

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truth, we are brought to you by
Count's family pharmacy, your

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Blacksburg.
I'm surprised Jeremy didn't

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message us want to come on this
week so he could scream and

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curse as much as Jeremy does.
But we've got to tell the truth

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because the Ruth is this week.
We've got a lot to tell about

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ourselves and I feel like we do
this once a year.

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Obviously, we always do it in
the state of the program, but

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there's a lot going on when you
lose your fourth game of the

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year by less than one score.
Virginia Tech has lost four

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games by less than one score.
I think it's a total combined.

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Is it 21 four games by 21.22
points?

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It's 21 because it was 774 and
3:00 and we got to start talking

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about Coach Fry.
We got to start doing a lot of

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stuff so right now this is how
we're going to start.

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I want to see it in the comments
as well, because I want to see

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how the pulse a hokey nation is
going, but here's what I got to

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go first of all, I'm going to
start with tally because I'm

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starting with you Iron Man
let's.

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Do it iron.
Man, put pull the mask down.

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On a scale of one to 10, one
being all in, 10 being

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completely out, Where are you on
coach Brent Pry as it stands?

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Remember, Remember the No 5th of
November?

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10 being all out, 10 being.
Completely out.

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Without explanation explanation
right now I would probably say

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seven.
OK, 7 for me.

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Seven for you, Shelton. 7.
OK, y'all are at the sevens.

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OK, I thought Saturday Tally
might have been in a 9.7, you

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know?
Yeah, I'll relax a little bit.

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I got I got my calm hat on right
now.

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You guys call that out?
I think Shelton was about an 8.7

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on Saturday.
I was at like a 65.

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I'm now at A5, Brian.
I'd say 5, five and a half.

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Give me 5 1/2.
Give you 5 1/2.

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He just wants to be slightly
above me.

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I'm the I'm the.
I got to be the one on the low

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end of the.
Total no, because I mean what I

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what I'm basically saying with
my 5 1/2 is that I'm I'm no

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longer in, but I'm also not out.
I'm I'm I'm in the middle, I'm

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in the middle.
So let's go with it.

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Tally, you know, and and
Shelton's y'all Shelton's going

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like turn.
I got I got the fire and

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gasoline below us here.
I try to be the water.

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It's not going to be pretty, but
tally go man, because obviously

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I got some stuff, stuff we're
going to talk about.

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But what is now like?
What is your hot button issue?

443
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,640
Well, we were talking about
this.

444
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,120
Everybody wants to know why I
got the Iron mask, man, Iron Man

445
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,840
mask on.
I'm just, I'm just here to

446
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,320
learn.
So Sheldon, actually, I'm going

447
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,440
to talk to him and let him start
this thing off because I think

448
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,480
he's going to get me riled up
because he's going to come with

449
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,840
some interesting stuff from the
presser.

450
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,120
I watched it and from the game
as well, but I'm going to sit

451
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,680
back and relax for a few
minutes.

452
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Hey, Chris, right there with me.
I love that.

453
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800
What?
Up, guys.

454
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,920
All right.
Let Sheldon go.

455
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,240
Fire away.
All right, folks.

456
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,440
Well, the time has come to
start.

457
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,000
The Brent Pride discourse feels
like a recurring theme every

458
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,920
week that there's some type of
game or clock management issue.

459
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560
And we saw more of that on
Saturday against Syracuse.

460
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,440
So in the wake of, you know,
obviously the discourse is

461
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,360
about, you know, not taking time
out, letting the defense,

462
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760
letting the offense to Syracuse
run the clock out at the end of

463
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,840
the at the end of regulation,
you know, deciding to go defense

464
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,880
1st and overtime, you know,
people can have their opinions

465
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,680
one by the other.
But for me, there was there was

466
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,960
one thing in particular that
stick out.

467
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,160
And I think there was a
tremendous lack of clarity that

468
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,480
we had in price of, you know,
post game comments and his

469
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,680
comments in a press conference
afterwards today on Tuesday

470
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,160
about what his his thought
process was.

471
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,920
So first of all, Coach Pry, if
you're listening, if your

472
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320
family's listening, I love you
brother, but I got to call you

473
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,440
out because there was some BS
that went on these past few

474
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,360
days.
So to start off, you know, Pride

475
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,680
decided not to take that time
out to prevent the runoff at the

476
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,320
end of the first half when Tech,
you know, potentially was

477
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,680
getting towards field goal
range.

478
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,240
After the game he said the
communication with the refs was

479
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560
unclear, but appears that he
changed his story a couple

480
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,800
times.
So to the post game radio

481
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320
people, he said he chose not to
take the time out to prevent the

482
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,560
runoff.
Why he did that, I don't know.

483
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Maybe he's getting some bad
advice from someone in his ear.

484
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,160
Possibly.
That seems like a likely

485
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,400
scenario, but after the game in
the in the official post game

486
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,880
press conference, he said he did
not trust the field goal unit

487
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,920
that had leaky protection in
order to be able to even bother

488
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,160
him to make a field goal.
Now why he would say that when

489
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480
Jon Love has already hit
multiple 50 yards before in this

490
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
season, I do not know, but he
changed his story there so

491
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,440
that's one.
OK, so to me this looks like

492
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,040
he's covering for poor decision
making.

493
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,040
All right now regarding the poor
communication with the

494
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,360
officials, I think this is on
pry.

495
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,000
I know the official can
sometimes make mistakes and they

496
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400
don't explain things concise in
the right way.

497
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,400
But if you as a head coach are
not getting in their ass and

498
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,280
demanding that they give you a a
reasonable explanation, you are

499
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,120
not doing your job.
I don't think pry, I don't think

500
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:18,680
pry right now has the, the, the
acumen that we need of a head

501
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,960
coach to really get in their ass
and demand that they give him a

502
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,720
response.
Which it, it just seemed like to

503
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,760
me like he was content with
everything that happened.

504
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,200
He had a little conversation
that was nice and polite.

505
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Maybe, you know, his, his
eyebrows got a little bit

506
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,200
furred, but he, he was not
responding to the level of

507
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,480
intensity that I think he needed
to as a head coach.

508
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,080
So we go now to the Tuesday
presser.

509
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,520
He said in the presser that
there was no clarity in the

510
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,240
moments with regards to the
officials and their explanation.

511
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,200
But he also said he did not
submit that place to the

512
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,480
conference office for review.
Why would you not submit the

513
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,960
play for review if you didn't
get clarity?

514
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
That does not make any sense.
If you weren't, if if you felt

515
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,960
the explanation was
insufficient, if you thought the

516
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760
refs made a mistake, maybe not
giving you the time Outback, why

517
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,920
would you not submit that play?
That to me screams that he's

518
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,040
just doing cover.
He's doing cover because he

519
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320
knows he made a mistake and he
doesn't want to admit that he

520
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,360
doesn't want people he wasn't.
He doesn't want to throw himself

521
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,200
under the bus or maybe the
people that are giving advice

522
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,040
under the bus.
And then lastly on this, he also

523
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,440
said today, quote, we have to be
the aggressor.

524
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,760
We have to be on the attack.
In that situation, then why

525
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240
didn't you attack?
Why did you not go down field?

526
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Why did you not take a time out
when Syracuse was on their last

527
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,160
possession of regulation save
some time?

528
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Why did you not go down the
field in that last drive with

529
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Colin Schleade, 29 seconds left,
three timeouts.

530
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Why were you not the aggressor
you needed?

531
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200
40 yards.
You needed 40 yards.

532
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Needed 40.
Yards got the boot.

533
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Yep, and he was not the
aggressor.

534
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,760
So again, just a complete but
contradiction, a series of

535
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,640
contradictions statements that
didn't make sense.

536
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,600
I think prize didn't cover.
I think he knows he made another

537
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
gaffe and he obviously doesn't
want to admit that to the fans,

538
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,200
which has been obviously
recurring theme.

539
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,520
So just really disappointing
with how you know, he articulate

540
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,320
that to the fan base.
Again, I love your pride, but

541
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,360
that's just I just don't like
it, man.

542
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,560
I think it's, I think it's a bad
look.

543
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,320
Tally.
Man, it's hard to follow that,

544
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,360
but I needed it.
I mean, he made it sound elegant

545
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,520
to like he did a great job to
explain a lot of the stuff and

546
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,160
go through everything after the
game.

547
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,400
You know, that kind of we're
feeling and it's the team takes

548
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,360
the identity of the coach, you
know what I'm saying?

549
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Like we coach too soft, we're
playing too soft at certain

550
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,320
times.
It's the same thing.

551
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,080
It's a broken record.
Like if you were 50, if you were

552
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:54,960
A500, you know, coach and A500
coach in, you know, close games,

553
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,720
then maybe I would ease up a
little bit.

554
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,200
But you can't be like one in 12
or one in 11 and then you come

555
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,760
with the same coach speak like
it gets old, man.

556
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800
And again, like Sheldon said,
like I love Pride.

557
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,680
I think Pride's a good guy, you
know, I think he's a pretty

558
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,120
decent coach, you know what I'm
saying?

559
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,960
But sometimes coaches just don't
fit.

560
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,320
And again, I'm not saying that
I'm all out.

561
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,720
It's going to take some things
in.

562
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
I know we'll discuss it a little
bit here in a minute.

563
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,040
But it takes some things to to
change to have to really see

564
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,000
change.
You know, and I think right now

565
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,280
we're just hearing the same the
same old stuff.

566
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120
You know, this just well, we got
to get better.

567
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400
Well, how do you get better?
You know what I'm saying?

568
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,720
If you going to, I would rather
him walk in and say I ain't

569
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,280
fucking talking to nobody today.
I'm upset.

570
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,680
Find me.
The rest fucked us.

571
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,000
I don't want to have a
conversation with nobody.

572
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Everybody get out.
I don't care if you come

573
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,480
watching that.
Like I want you to just be mad

574
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,880
and get up, like change
everything that you're doing

575
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,280
because the nice polite, you
know, coaching and on the field,

576
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,520
it's just it's old, man.
It's old and fans are tired of

577
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,040
watching the same stuff, you
know, blow leads, lose by three

578
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,800
points, lose by 6 points, and
then we hear the same thing

579
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,520
afterwards.
The players are tired of losing.

580
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,440
You know, the players, they're
playing their butts off.

581
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,840
I got to give them the, you
know, nobody, everybody knows

582
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,520
that this team doesn't quit, you
know what I'm saying?

583
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,200
Everybody understands that.
But that gets, you know, kudos.

584
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Like you got to, you got to get
to a point where you're not

585
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,640
just, well, shoot, I know we
play Virginia Tech, man, we

586
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,800
going to be beat up, but we
going to win, you know what I'm

587
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,440
saying?
Like we're that team, the team

588
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,520
that we think other people are.
That's who we are.

589
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,800
However, Virginia Tech fans look
at a team like Georgia Tech.

590
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Well, we know Georgia Tech is
going to give us a good game.

591
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,280
That's what people think about
us.

592
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,240
That's what we are.
That's that we that team.

593
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,720
When you go through at the
beginning of the season and

594
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,480
you're looking at where you
going to get your wins and

595
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,600
losses, people's looking at Vt
and saying that's a dub easy.

596
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,520
No matter what we play them at,
if we play them at they house,

597
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,600
if we play them at our house,
that's on coaching.

598
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,480
You got to change some stuff and
it don't take.

599
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Oh well, Beamer did it, man.
Stop saying that he ain't

600
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,280
Beamer.
Stop saying Beamer did it in

601
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,000
this many years and this coach
did.

602
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200
It is coaches that are taking
over programs and winning in the

603
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
first year.
Elko did it at Duke.

604
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Manny Diaz is that Duke?
He's doing the same thing.

605
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440
And I bet Duke wasn't in a
better position.

606
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680
I mean in a worse position than
Virginia Tech was.

607
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,200
It's about the same.
I'm just saying that we can pick

608
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680
other, we can pick other schools
to talk about.

609
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,840
It's just it gets redundant,
man.

610
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:47,040
And it's so frustrating that you
watch these kids go out and you

611
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,600
even watch the coaches do some
stuff that works.

612
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800
The coaches will do something
that works and it's like it

613
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,280
surprises them.
They'll do something and it

614
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,880
works and they go shit, we going
to do that again.

615
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520
You never go back to it.
You know what I'm saying?

616
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,480
It's just, again, I know it's
inexperience at coaching, but

617
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
now you have to have some kind
of experience.

618
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,199
Like I did some stupid shit when
I first got with my wife, right?

619
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Like walk in from work, take
your shoes off, kick them to the

620
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560
side, go straight to the
bathroom.

621
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,440
In your mind, you just thinking,
I've been at work all day, I got

622
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,560
to go use the bathroom.
But your wife is standing there

623
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,199
like you walked in the house and
you didn't even say hey honey or

624
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,480
I'm home or nothing.
I'm telling you you're only

625
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
going to do it once or twice
before it becomes a problem.

626
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,280
Well, coach Pride, you keep
walking in the house and you

627
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,400
don't say that I'm home and we
getting tired of it.

628
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,199
I'm going to stop right there
for now.

629
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,400
Brian, what you think, man?
You know what that was?

630
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,800
That was gold.
I like that.

631
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,280
Like Sheldon and Tally have like
completely set the stage for me

632
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,400
here.
And I think what it comes down

633
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
for is something that Tally kind
of talked about but didn't maybe

634
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,760
say directly, is that a lot of
times it feels like these

635
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,720
coaches are playing not to lose
the game.

636
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,760
That's what it feels like.
We're playing not to lose the

637
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,920
game.
And when you play not to lose,

638
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,760
sometimes it's going to bite you
in the ass.

639
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,600
And we've seen that anytime it
gets close, that's when we

640
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640
falter because we played not to
lose.

641
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,240
When we look at the defensive
side of the ball, these late

642
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,960
half, whether it's first half or
second-half collapses got to

643
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,840
stop.
When we look at the offensive

644
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,160
side of the ball, when you get a
lead stomp on some throats, we

645
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,800
don't do that.
It's it's like we we think that

646
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,320
18 is enough.
And we go out there and we just

647
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,440
kind of, you know, put it out
there and all of a sudden, you

648
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,240
know, you get one mistake here,
one mistake there and now it's a

649
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,280
game again.
And now you, you know, you got a

650
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,280
tight asshole because it's a
game again.

651
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680
And now you don't know what to
do and now you're in in React

652
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,560
mode.
And we don't do well in React

653
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,520
mode.
We play well when we play loose

654
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,200
and confident.
Anybody that's watched this team

655
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,720
knows that.
And we're not doing that

656
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,280
consistently enough against
these opponents.

657
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,720
So that's that's all I got.
From what Brian said, man, I'm,

658
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,320
I'm going to go back on that as
well.

659
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,720
And what he said, you know what
he's talking about.

660
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Shoot, there was a lot that you
just threw it now and I kind of

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,000
lost my trace that that kind of
threw me off a little bit.

662
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,960
We, we, you said that and then
Andrey pops up and he puts, puts

663
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,840
a, a, a comment up there for me
to see.

664
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080
But I'm thinking about, you
know, what Brian says and he

665
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640
says, you know, when we play, we
play better when we play loose.

666
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640
And again, I know we're going to
get into some more stuff.

667
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,160
People were talking in the game,
you know, and I know football,

668
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000
you know, I get it.
I know sports.

669
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520
But like, my son had his first
basketball game today.

670
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Thank the Lord, very, very
thankful he's back on the court.

671
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,360
You know, he went through a
whole game very he was rusty

672
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,360
because he got injured playing
basketball and he was a little

673
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,400
rusty, but he had a great game.
You know, he went in, he

674
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,160
competed and they won.
So great job by them.

675
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560
But they have a legendary coach
that coaches his, his varsity

676
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,800
basketball team.
My son plays on the freshman

677
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,720
team and Coach Doss is his name,
Jack Doss.

678
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,520
You can look him up in
Huntsville, AL.

679
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,520
He's won, I think 12 state
championships at four different

680
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:31,040
schools.
But Coach Doss probably is about

681
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,240
70 and he he coaches like he's
70.

682
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,840
He he plays stall ball when he
gets up in the lead.

683
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,280
If he gets up on a team that he
thinks that he's not supposed to

684
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,160
get up on, if he's playing a
team that's more talented than

685
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,760
he is and he gets up on that
team, he is going to hold a

686
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,880
ball.
He's going to try.

687
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,680
If he's up 20 to 18, he'll try
to hold a ball and guess what

688
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,000
happens?
You want to know what happened,

689
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Brian?
They steal the ball, they go

690
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,360
score, then they continue
scoring and then now we're

691
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560
trying to play catch up.
I feel like our staff does the

692
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,800
same thing.
Pryor is a traditional coach

693
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,600
with a school that has
traditions.

694
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,840
We're not a traditional school.
We don't do the things good that

695
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,240
Penn State or Alabama does.
What?

696
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,360
We just have five star backs
that run the ball well or they

697
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,000
have a line that always send
people like it's different for

698
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,640
us.
You know, we do have some things

699
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,760
that were known for, but we
don't have a tradition that is

700
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,480
going to win US games.
So my thing is when you look at

701
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,040
how we play Georgia Tech, I bet
Price hard on was about that

702
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,840
long.
Like that's the kind of game

703
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,640
that he wants.
He wants to go out and play

704
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,640
defense and get 3 and outs.
And he don't care if we move the

705
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,320
ball and we just continue
stopping them and they kick it

706
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,360
back to us and we waste a little
clock and then we win 2621 to

707
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,920
six, you know, have some kind of
special play and get up.

708
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200
And then we just we can't do
that.

709
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,600
You have to continue scoring.
You have to continue.

710
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,360
If they're going to give you
points, take them.

711
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640
I don't think that.
I don't think that Syracuse

712
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,640
could have stopped, could have
stopped our passing, the

713
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,880
offense.
They still ain't stopped Steven

714
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,240
Gosdale.
But guess what?

715
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,560
We started doing some different
shit to get away from what we

716
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,040
need to do to win the game.
And then that happens.

717
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,240
We have a collapse.
Tired of it, man.

718
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Curtis, I know you got some
stuff to say, man.

719
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
I ain't mean to cut you off.
Well, AI missed your ran

720
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,480
unfortunately because.
That's all right.

721
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,640
I got life.
I know you got more, but I

722
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,920
wanted to hear that first one,
unfortunately, but it's it's

723
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
when it's the same shit
different day.

724
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,160
That's what starts irritating
you.

725
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
If we were if we had lost four
games 4 completely different

726
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,200
ways this year, I think we'd be
sending we still be mad, right?

727
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200
We'd still be mad, but we
wouldn't be having this

728
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,280
conversation.
Oh, Miami blew us out.

729
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,000
We blew a lead.
Oh, they got up on us.

730
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,560
We tried to fight back.
But it's now the same narrative

731
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,800
over and over.
And I told Tally this week,

732
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,760
y'all the four games we lost
this year, we had a lead in

733
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,480
Vanderbilt at the end of the
game.

734
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,680
We tied Rutgers at the end of
the game.

735
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,160
They drove and kicked a field
goal.

736
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,640
We had a 10 point lead on Miami
and obviously we had an 18 point

737
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,880
lead, which we all get upset
about, but we had a 7 point lead

738
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,600
with four seconds to go.
We had a it's the same narrative

739
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,720
and y'all keep talking about the
shell on offense and we don't go

740
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,440
to things.
The defense just seems like it's

741
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,440
scared.
Oh, we're going to have to do

742
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,720
this.
Let's it's OK if we give up a

743
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,800
touchdown.
No, it's not You can't.

744
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040
So we're seeing the same things
on the defensive side of the

745
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,480
ball over and over because if
the defense, y'all just think

746
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
about this just two holes.
We hold the ball.

747
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,960
We hold 2 times this year, 2
times we're seven and two we

748
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,600
hold 2 times.
That's not saying we could be

749
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,040
better.
I like what James just put up

750
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,960
here because I saw that as well.
We are 8 O and one if games

751
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,560
ended at the 8th minute. 8 O and
1:00.

752
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,720
Pitiful.
If you really, if you really

753
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,040
want to be mad, Curtis, if you
really want to feel some type of

754
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,480
way, go and look at the last
three years.

755
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,400
That's what I need you to do.
So what I was saying is we, we

756
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,960
get into those situations, it's
the same thing at the end of

757
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,120
every game, it's the same thing.
And then you're sitting here and

758
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,160
it's like, do something
different.

759
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Now he is who he is, but the
whole thing that happens and

760
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,720
it's all of them.
I don't care who you are, what

761
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,760
field of protection you're in,
you listen to people you you

762
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,040
take and that's usually how you
make your decisions, whether it

763
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,080
be Tally doing marketing myself
doing what I do in my company

764
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,960
with learning and development,
Brian, what he does and Dan Alex

765
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,200
and tell them what he does.
You listen to people, right?

766
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640
You listen to ice, you listen to
what they are supposed to do.

767
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,040
Apparently there's somebody in
the box, a coach on the staff in

768
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,040
the box that has the book of
what you're supposed to do in

769
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,160
these situations.
Now, I don't know if they are

770
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,080
telling our head coach of
exactly what they should be

771
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,360
doing because to what Shelton
said earlier, in that situation,

772
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,880
here's what should happen.
My phone needs to shut up.

773
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,920
So why is it the same things?
What I would say is if you're

774
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,440
fucking up the same shit the
same way every time, then

775
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,280
somebody is telling you wrong.
Somebody is not getting you

776
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
ready.
It's eventually falls on you.

777
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000
But like all of us, like every
single person in this chat over

778
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,320
here, in this chat over here,
there's people that influence

779
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,880
them.
Callie, you talk about your

780
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280
wife.
I bet you didn't kick off the

781
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,920
shoes and walk to the bathroom
no more after that surgery.

782
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,160
You'd be like, hey, honey, how
are you?

783
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,280
You have a good day.
I love you.

784
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,040
So it's still on him to change.
It's still on him to be better.

785
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,720
But the whole thing it comes to
is who's around you.

786
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:25,600
I like what Andrady said there.
It's not a tack because at the

787
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,400
end of that game and even the
second-half, I know y'all, we

788
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,440
missed tackles.
We weren't we, we played a

789
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,440
little over aggressive and then
some mad shit happened.

790
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,280
What happened?
We went super under aggressive

791
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,400
and you can't do that.
You cannot be in the moment.

792
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,080
You have to be who you are.
So I know we got a lot more and

793
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,920
we're going to keep going.
But I'm going to say this and I

794
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
want, I want to see what people
think out there because I think

795
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,240
he's back as a coach next year.
I do.

796
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,280
Charlie, he's back.
He's 100.

797
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,560
He's back.
Yeah.

798
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,640
I mean, regardless of how we
feel, I don't think there's a

799
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
way we he's.
Not yeah, Yeah, he's back.

800
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,800
He can lose.
He can lose all the last three

801
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,240
games and he's not going
anywhere.

802
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,440
They're going to give him
another year or two years.

803
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:16,400
He can lose the last three games
and not make a bowl game and

804
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,640
he's still going to be a coach
next year. 100% yeah.

805
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160
But what it usually is at that
point in time, what happens is

806
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,520
like what I'm kind of leading
into here is currently this

807
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,360
coaching staff and the analytics
people and everybody made-up of

808
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960
it on and off the field is
construction.

809
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,040
It cannot stay this way because
you cannot keep doing the wrong

810
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,960
things.
And So what I want to pivot to

811
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,880
y'all, and I don't care how many
it is, it can be 0 or you can

812
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,120
say the whole staff can come
back.

813
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,440
I don't think it's going to look
the same.

814
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,360
But tell me, Shelton Moss, who
is safe on the staff right now?

815
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Who is safe?
Well, definitely Tyler Bowen, I

816
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,000
mean.
OK.

817
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,000
I think he's been, I think he's
been in his bag, not just, you

818
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
know, last week, but you know,
throughout the majority of this

819
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,120
year.
Like you go into Syracuse on the

820
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,880
road, score 31 points, put above
over 400 yards of offense in the

821
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,400
back of QB and a running back.
You know, we're top 30 ish in SP

822
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,800
plus, which was above our
preseason expectations.

823
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,080
So they've overperformed there.
I think he's done a good job.

824
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,200
I I know it's, you know, hadn't
been because it's in every game,

825
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,440
but you know, part of that is
just working with players that

826
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440
have limitations and trying to,
you know, get guys more

827
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,360
experience and develop them.
And I think he's been fantastic.

828
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,800
I know you know, people are
always going to hate the OST

829
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,800
man, but it's a tough job.
You you never you always get the

830
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,760
blame when things go wrong.
You never get credit when things

831
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,000
go right.
I think he's done a great job.

832
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,480
So I'm a big, I'm a big bone
advocate right now all.

833
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Right, who else?
Give me a couple.

834
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Give me give me your lift of
absolutely saves.

835
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Brooks done a good job with the
running back room and I think

836
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,760
Crook for the most part the
online has gotten better.

837
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,000
The younger players I think have
have developed pretty well.

838
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,280
So I've I've definitely keep
them.

839
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:11,360
That's your 3.
Yeah, but the quarterbacks coach

840
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
forget the name.
Derek Jones.

841
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, I know
some of the recruiting returns

842
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,080
haven't been great, but he's
done a pretty good job

843
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,920
developing that room.
Dante, let it looks great.

844
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,320
I don't think you would want to
risk, you know, letting a guy

845
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,520
like that go.
So I'd I'd keep him as well.

846
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,440
OK.
And JC.

847
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,760
And JC, anybody else, Sheldon,
the next thing you don't know,

848
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,520
you're going to say we got to
keep the whole staff together,

849
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,560
which we can all fly off at you
and say no to.

850
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,600
If we can't keep the whole staff
together, we're five and four,

851
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,920
not 9 and O it's.
Going to happen.

852
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
They ain't, they ain't going.
Over there, people, the people I

853
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480
didn't mention, you can, you
know, they can make some

854
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,680
decisions after this season, all
right.

855
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,160
Tally.
What's the what's my?

856
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,320
What's my question?
Who is safe on the staff?

857
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,640
Who is?
Absolutely.

858
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,720
If you were selling in his ear,
you ain't firing him because you

859
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,800
lose your damn mind.
So if I'm looking at the real

860
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,120
answer, everybody's safe because
I don't think that our football

861
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,760
program has the nuts to get rid
of anybody.

862
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,160
You know, I don't think that
anybody.

863
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,160
I think pride's too nice.
He had a lot of friends.

864
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,720
I don't think he won't he will
let anybody go.

865
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,600
But if I'm looking at who I
would be safe, if I'm in charge,

866
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,960
if you're in charge, if you're
the I'm in charge, I would say,

867
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,960
you know, probably JC Price, you
know, I've seen some good stuff

868
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,400
in him.
He's got a guy on his line that

869
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,160
has 12 sacks, you know, probably
would say he's safe.

870
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,360
He's a through and through a
hokey man.

871
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Shit.
I mean, Brooks, Brooks has done

872
00:47:54,120 --> 00:48:00,600
a good job.
Like like, Shelton said, Dude,

873
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,440
this, I just feel like you, it's
up in the air for everybody

874
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,720
else, it's up in the air, man.
Like JC Brooks has been fine.

875
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,400
I know, Shelton said.
Crook, you know I ain't.

876
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,040
I'm going to leave it alone for
right now till we talk about

877
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,760
other stuff, but yeah, I'm just
Mines, Coach Mines.

878
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,960
Coach Mines is safe, and the
reason I say Coach Mines is safe

879
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,200
is because of how he's
recruited.

880
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,520
But when we start to get into
other stuff, the main thing with

881
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,560
me to why it's so hard for me to
say who's safe and who's not is

882
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,880
because I feel like part of
coaching is who you put in the

883
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,040
game.
You know what I'm saying?

884
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,520
You have to coach your
personnel.

885
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,040
It's cool to get receivers, but
I'm watching other four-star

886
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,880
recruits and three star recruits
get on the field at other

887
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,560
schools.
Why not put somebody in and try,

888
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,240
you know, why not let me run
somebody on the field to see

889
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,880
what they do?
Hey receiver, you're fast.

890
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,440
I need you to go run a go route
because these guys apparently

891
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,280
are not going to catch a go
route.

892
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,800
They either aren't getting the
separation or they're not going

893
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,920
to die for it.
So I just need you to go in

894
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,800
there with fresh legs and just
run.

895
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,240
Just run as fast as you can and
try to catch this ball.

896
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,000
That's what I need.
Let's see what happens.

897
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,560
So I'm done.
Mines Price Brooks.

898
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,040
Brooks, that's all.
That's the only people safe,

899
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,880
although Tally says everybody's
safe.

900
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,240
But then it's up in the air, but
nobody's safe.

901
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Tally doing philosophical crazy
he she's got bullshit.

902
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,720
I'm gonna have to put the mask
back on, man.

903
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,760
No.
You got No, we got to let you go

904
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,880
tell you got any.
Chess going on here. 40 maybe

905
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,800
5D.
Brian Who's who's safe?

906
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,560
A lot of DS man.
There's a lot of DS.

907
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:03,840
Hey, I, I, I've got five names.
It's JC Price, it's Fontell,

908
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,920
it's Coach Brooks, it's Cheetah
and it's Bowen.

909
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,320
They are safe at this point.
To me, Price, I think speaks for

910
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,520
itself.
I think the the the play of his

911
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,240
unit and how he's recruited in
the last couple cycles speaks

912
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,080
for itself.
I think the output that we're

913
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,280
seeing from a developmental
standpoint and from a recruiting

914
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,480
standpoint from Brooks speaks
for itself.

915
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,320
I think we look at Fontell, he's
shown the capability of bringing

916
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,080
in guys.
And when we look at Cheetah, I

917
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,640
think we're seeing, again, very,
very good developmental

918
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,440
cornerbacks.
Coach hasn't really seen an

919
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,160
elite recruit, but also has done
a really good job of developing

920
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,840
the guys that he's brought in
kind of in that high three star,

921
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,280
you know, low 4 area there.
And to Sheldon's point, I think

922
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Bowen, the biggest complaint I
have about Bowen is kind of what

923
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,520
we've already talked about is
when, when the chips are down,

924
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,640
when when we start getting into
those moments where we can stomp

925
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,320
on a, on a, on a throat.
We don't always do that.

926
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,320
That's my biggest complaint
about him.

927
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,440
I think he's done a good job of
kind of adapting to his

928
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,080
personnel as a play caller and
getting points on the board has

929
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640
been pretty good.
So I've got no no big qualms

930
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,640
with him, but also I'll I'll
pivot on on Tally's point a

931
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,160
little bit here too.
As far as you know, the young

932
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,160
guys playing.
I think we see this staff has

933
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,200
been in all three years
conservative.

934
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,760
I think especially early in the
year of getting young guys on

935
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,880
the field in situations where
they don't have to, right, Like

936
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,560
when when you've got a veteran
at a position.

937
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:08,320
Now when we look at cornerback
and safety, we've had situations

938
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,560
where we've had to get guys on
the field early for obvious

939
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,040
reasons.
And those are death, death

940
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,960
related.
But when we look at some of

941
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,480
these other positions, we've
been a little bit hesitant to

942
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,880
get the younger guy, younger
player on the field when we've

943
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,440
had the opportunity just because
we do have a little more veteran

944
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,400
leadership in that particular
room.

945
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,600
I'm hoping that changes a little
bit.

946
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,880
I hope when we mix things up as
we kind of move into the last

947
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040
three games of the season here,
because at this point, most of

948
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,560
these guys have games they can
still burn.

949
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Let's get them some run,
especially now that we're out of

950
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,000
contention for Charlotte.
Put them out there and let let's

951
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,200
see what they can do.
All right, so there we go.

952
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:57,040
So you are JC Brooks Cheetah
Bone, right?

953
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
JC Mines Brooks.
Cheetah, you said mines OK

954
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,520
awesome.
I got four and these are the

955
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200
only four safe in my opinion.
JC is definitely safe.

956
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,680
The defensive line eats.
You see those guys playing a

957
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,120
high level, older, younger all
across the board.

958
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,400
Fontelle clearly safe.
The recruiting proudness is

959
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,120
there.
I'm going to throw a curveball

960
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,320
because this is one y'all have
not mentioned, but he is a stud

961
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,680
recruiter and I got called out a
couple weeks ago by somebody not

962
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,360
realizing it.
Sean Quinn.

963
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Sean Quinn's not going anywhere.
Sean Quinn recruited Chance

964
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,400
Wiggins, he recruited Christian
Evans, he recruited Aiden, he

965
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,720
recruited Aiden Stevens, he
recruited Overton.

966
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,440
He's Woodson's primary.
Think about that right there.

967
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,160
Think about all those names.
How many of those guys are on

968
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,920
the field doing something
already?

969
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Just about all of them.
And Jeff Overton is, as per

970
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,840
tally, probably the most
underrated running back in the

971
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,320
entire country.
Yeah.

972
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Give me also Elijah Brooks.
Nobody else is safe.

973
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Those guys are safe because I've
seen development from their

974
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,960
positions.
I'll suppose all Sean Quinn take

975
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,080
a risk with Caleb Spencer early
in the year and you know, he had

976
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:15,160
to go to the table to pry and
say I need Caleb to play and how

977
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,280
much better that room has gotten
between Keanta and Caleb

978
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,760
Spencer.
So that's my four.

979
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,640
If we if we take a look at all
of ours, JC is the safest.

980
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Brooks is pretty safe.
Then we have our missus here and

981
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,640
there.
We got Fontell pretty safe.

982
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,840
But that's the thing we start
seeing.

983
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
We don't know what goes on
behind the scenes because

984
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,920
apparently whoever's up in the
booth that does the plays, what

985
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,320
if that's somebody we listed?
What if that's the person that's

986
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,680
supposed to be feeding in the
two minutes, hey, when to call

987
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,240
the timeout and they're fucking
up.

988
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,520
You could love them.
Be like, I love him.

989
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,440
He does all this good stuff and
he's realized, oh, he's the guy

990
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,880
that so still coach want to call
timeouts and he ain't doing his

991
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,200
job right.
How would you feel about that?

992
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,520
What if I know Fantail's on the
sidelines, but we love Fantail.

993
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,640
But what if that was Fantail's
job and he was screwing up

994
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,120
getting in the timeouts?
Would we love him more or would

995
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,080
be like, wait a second, you can
recruit, but are you, are you

996
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,040
not telling them when they call
the timeouts right?

997
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,960
And that's your job.
You turn into a big boy football

998
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,640
organization and you get people
and designate certain jobs to

999
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,320
them.
If you ain't doing a good job of

1000
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,120
telling people when to call the
time out, then you shouldn't be,

1001
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,200
you shouldn't be doing that.
If you're good at recruiting as

1002
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,680
a recruiter, I don't know.
It's just different things that

1003
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,720
you can do.
Another thing I was going to say

1004
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,680
too, a lot of people were, I
think everybody on here besides

1005
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,480
me would say, you know, Bowen's
doing a good job.

1006
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,320
He is, you know, kind of safe.
And I'm just asking the

1007
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,360
question, who calls the plays?
Does he call the plays?

1008
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,800
He sends the plays in.
He is the play caller.

1009
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,400
Why the fuck would you send a
play in for a quarterback that

1010
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:03,440
has a bum leg to run the ball?
And you did it in two games.

1011
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,680
You did it in Vanderbilt when
Kyron was cramping up.

1012
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,560
Y'all, he had to come off the
field.

1013
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,120
Then you put him back in and you
do a running play that your two

1014
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,480
backup quarterbacks could have
did, and then you push Lee in

1015
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,600
and he's got to bum ankle and
you call a run and play.

1016
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,000
Why not just let Pop Watson run
it?

1017
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,480
I don't know, man.
I don't feel like he's safe.

1018
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,320
I don't the reason I don't think
he's safe and and I Shelton, I

1019
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,080
know you're looking at the
statistics and that the

1020
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,520
percentage is there are times he
is effectively the guy playing

1021
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,040
craps.
Either he's hitting and it's

1022
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,920
rolling or he's rolling snake
eyes every time and just busting

1023
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,480
the board up.
Because there are times in the

1024
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,000
game where it's like we need a
big drive and nothing happens.

1025
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,440
And now I know that's some
execution that summoned him, but

1026
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,000
it's still ultimately going to
fall on the coach.

1027
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,360
And that's my bigger issue with
him because when he's rolling,

1028
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,280
when he's rolling like he was,
go back to BC in that first half

1029
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,840
where everything was hidden,
Kyron was nailing the passes,

1030
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,400
perfect run blocks, lane seal
for Duden.

1031
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,120
That's great.
But that third quarter happened,

1032
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,200
if we don't recall, where we
couldn't do a fucking thing,

1033
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,760
remember that we couldn't do a
thing, and they got back in the

1034
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,440
game.
Well, we also kept him.

1035
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,040
We also kept giving them the
ball.

1036
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,800
We did.
And we?

1037
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,880
Turned off as a coach, but the
whole piece is we go, he goes

1038
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,040
hot and cold and I'm going to
tell you when it's cold is scary

1039
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,840
because you're like we can't
even get 10 yards.

1040
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,440
We can't even get a first down.
That's why I'm I'm more.

1041
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,680
Do you completely fire him?
I don't know, but there's

1042
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,440
obviously things like that.
What else y'all got on this

1043
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,240
subject?
Anybody?

1044
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,240
Nothing.
No, not really, Sheldon.

1045
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,840
You look like he was gonna say
something.

1046
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,600
He did.
Yeah.

1047
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,400
I would say the one thing that
makes this analysis tricky for

1048
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,920
me is the fact that I feel like
the team this year has first of

1049
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
all, they definitely prove him
last year qualitatively.

1050
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,320
And I think for the most part,
they've played good football in

1051
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,280
terms of just, you know, being
efficient and, you know, look,

1052
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,520
they're they're top 30 in most
of the metrics.

1053
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,200
You know, they're they're top
three and point differential.

1054
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,480
Like if you're just looking at
the play on the field, they've

1055
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,680
been a good team for the most
part.

1056
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,280
It's just the the complete
inability to manage the game is

1057
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,600
the reason they're five and
four.

1058
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,160
And that falls on not the
assistant coaches, but one

1059
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,320
person.
And I think we.

1060
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,040
And that's, and that's where I'm
at, you know, like I'm going

1061
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,360
through this because that's what
we are here to do.

1062
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,760
But none of it matters if the
head man ain't right like

1063
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,240
Sheldon, great job, man.
I mean, he shit, he summed up

1064
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,240
kind of everything that I feel
is because you can get rid of

1065
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,760
this.
So you can do that and you can

1066
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,040
do this, but it's the head
coach.

1067
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,480
Like I can be mad at Tyler Bowen
for things he's doing with the

1068
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,960
offense.
But if you know, the head coach

1069
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,920
is saying we're up 21 to three,
do not run any passing plays.

1070
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,120
I don't know what that I don't
know what they're telling him,

1071
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,800
but I know that.
I know we have a head coach that

1072
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:22,880
runs the program and he's like
one in 11 or one in 12 in one

1073
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,360
score games.
I need that to change so.

1074
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,920
All right, well, I'm, I'm gonna
flip it because again, it all is

1075
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,040
on the head coach.
But again, you know, that's why

1076
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,800
I keep saying it.
None of us.

1077
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,080
What is, what's the old, what's
the old island saying, Brian?

1078
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,440
Well, you can't.
You can't.

1079
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,240
Do no man is an island to
himself?

1080
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,240
Well, I was thinking more, you
can't do the same thing over and

1081
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,640
over and expecting the results.
So I mean, if it's not working,

1082
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,880
you got to do something.
So that's kind of that's the

1083
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,520
point of the exercise, right?
Like whether that's focused on

1084
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,440
make trying to make the head
coach better or whether that's

1085
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,800
bringing in some guys around the
head coach to make him better.

1086
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,320
But to Shelton's point.
It's only going to get so good

1087
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,200
to a point where at some point
you've got to get better at

1088
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,120
manage of the game because if
you're not managing the game

1089
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,560
well, you're going to keep
consistently losing these tight

1090
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,200
games.
That's true.

1091
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,320
That's when those little things
that a coach does matters the

1092
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,960
most.
You can, you can have a a fuck

1093
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,560
up or two as a head coach when
you're winning by 18 and you

1094
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,120
keep winning by 18.
But when you when that 18

1095
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,640
shrinks down to three or four or
seven, now all those little,

1096
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,800
little things that you're doing,
those little, little wrinkles

1097
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,800
here or there where you don't
use a timeout or you don't put

1098
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,120
your foot on the gas when you
need to, that's going to add up.

1099
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,800
True.
All right.

1100
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Is there you, you got to tell
again, a part of this exercise

1101
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
too is you're you're the
advisor.

1102
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,240
You're the advisor to Coach
Prop.

1103
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Whether you say get rid of him
or we're going to give him

1104
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,040
another chance, who's the
person?

1105
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,040
I don't care if it's 123, it can
be.

1106
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880
It can be all nine.
To Tally's point, I'm sure Tally

1107
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,640
won't fire everybody.
So it is true who is in the

1108
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,280
who's, who's in the box with the
book.

1109
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,320
I don't think I've seen Chris on
the sidelines.

1110
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,920
I don't know who's up in the box
with the book.

1111
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,440
That's what that's on the
sidelines.

1112
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,680
Because Tebow's in the booth
that that be that's.

1113
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,080
I don't.
I don't think Tebow's got the

1114
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,120
book.
I think it's one of the other.

1115
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,760
Analysts.
But I'm just saying like, you

1116
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,160
don't, you don't give the book
to Tebow.

1117
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,640
I mean.
What do y'all think about Chris?

1118
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,240
We didn't even we didn't talk
about him.

1119
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,560
He doesn't see it on the right
now.

1120
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,640
What y'all think about him?
What do I think about Chris?

1121
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,400
Yeah, what I think about Chris
is where Kyron is right now.

1122
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,560
He is the mechanical quarterback
coach, right?

1123
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,920
Bowen's.
Bowen's a coordinator.

1124
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,600
Bowen's trying to get the
offense moving.

1125
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,520
I haven't seen the improvement
from Kyron like we were

1126
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,000
expecting.
And I think that falls directly

1127
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,520
on Brian.
Chris, you know, I, I and, and I

1128
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,400
can't remember who I saw say
this and I, I want to give them

1129
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,360
credit, but the question is to,
you know, you saw Kyron go down

1130
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,280
to South Beach.
Is that who he should have been

1131
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,760
working out with this year?
Was it you, Sheldon?

1132
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Did you send that somebody made?
That.

1133
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,040
Somebody made that message.
I wish I remember who it was.

1134
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,880
If you it was you, put yourself
in the chat, I'll shout you out.

1135
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,680
But did he make a mistake going
down there working out with

1136
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,800
those guys?
He's not those guys.

1137
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,040
Did he make a mistake working
out with the wrong guys in the

1138
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,200
offseason?
I don't know.

1139
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,120
Is Brian Criss doing a good
enough job to develop people?

1140
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,760
You know, everybody's like,
well, look, Colin Schlee, Colin

1141
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,480
Schlee played six years.
Some guys have just played long

1142
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,920
enough.
The mechanics are going to come

1143
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,200
more natural for them.
So maybe you're right, Tally.

1144
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,800
Maybe you're looking at some of
these analysts who aren't

1145
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,600
effectively doing their jobs and
improving people, but.

1146
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,480
Again, I don't know, I mean, I
just look at certain things.

1147
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,440
I'm like, you know, Pop has been
on the Pop has been on campus

1148
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,200
for two years, you know, 18
months.

1149
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,600
What have we seen from him?
You know, can he, what can he do

1150
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,040
for us?
You know, looking at Karen, I

1151
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,800
wouldn't say when you talk
about, you know, Karen going and

1152
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,880
out with, you know, the other
guys and stuff.

1153
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520
I wouldn't say that that is a a
bad thing because you are

1154
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,440
getting some coaching from a
quarterback coach and you're

1155
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,120
getting some things that's going
to help you monetarily as far

1156
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,360
far as NIL or getting you some
podcast looks and stuff.

1157
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,360
But when those players come
back, they're coming back to

1158
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,880
you, you as a coach, you have to
take what they've done and what

1159
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,160
you see and say that ain't going
to work or what you've done

1160
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,000
here.
We have to switch that up or

1161
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
hey, you ain't ready, you ain't
going to play, you know, I don't

1162
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,920
know.
That's the kind of things I look

1163
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,360
at from the coaches.
I just don't, you know, I don't

1164
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:56,840
know, man.
I got.

1165
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,960
You.
I got you all right.

1166
01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:59,560
Well, that.
Was.

1167
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,240
I mean, that was good.
Let's make some tough decisions

1168
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,360
here though, because I like what
this is, James, who got to see

1169
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,160
the presser today.
Not afraid of tough

1170
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,360
conversations you had to make a
conversation with.

1171
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,600
Yourself and your staff and not
just the players.

1172
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,000
Not just the players, I think.
That's I think we're getting to

1173
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,960
a point where you know that
that's where we're coming to a

1174
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,040
head and.
Who's then?

1175
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,480
Brian, who's got to go?
You sitting across from Coach

1176
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,640
Pride, you've been given
$100,000.

1177
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,880
Coach you, you got to let these
guys go.

1178
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,640
I'm sorry, or you've got to do
this?

1179
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,880
To to me it is, it is coach Marv
and and I think coach Marv is a

1180
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,720
good guy, but to me, too many
late game collapses from this

1181
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,120
defense and from looking at him
for just from a coaching

1182
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:52,240
perspective, his unit is not
good enough to justify also the

1183
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,440
fact that he is kind of a
recruiting liability as well.

1184
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,880
So you, you put those three
things together, that tells me

1185
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:04,560
that Marv has to go.
OK, just Marv nobody else right

1186
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,880
now.
If you're saying has to go, so

1187
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,920
there's going to be some guys
that I could have a conversation

1188
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,960
with you about as well, but the
only person that I think has to

1189
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,520
go is Coach Marv.
OK, Shelton.

1190
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,440
So I'm going to punt here and
and I'm not, I'm not going to

1191
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,440
say anyone has to go, but I will
say I'm certainly underwhelmed

1192
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:33,240
with Marv, you know, given that
he's, you know, the leader of

1193
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,280
the defense.
And I just I think they have

1194
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,080
stagnated a little bit.
I don't think they've really,

1195
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,960
you know, when I look at the
offense, I see a team that's

1196
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,240
going to kind of over performed
a little bit like they've sort

1197
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,680
of made the most out of the
cards that they've been dealt.

1198
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,600
I don't really say the same for
the defense because they were,

1199
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,160
you know, they were good in
price.

1200
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,920
They were decent in price first
year.

1201
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,200
You know, they had the
opportunity to to build and

1202
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,680
recruit these last two years in
the portal.

1203
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,600
Whereas with the offense, I
mean, they were starting

1204
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,840
literally from scratch and it's
been kind of a slow, you know,

1205
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,440
the steady progress, but the
offense has gotten incrementally

1206
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,040
better every season by, you
know, a pretty wide margin

1207
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,320
defense.
I think they've stagnated.

1208
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,520
They took a step back this year.
There was a top 30 defense last

1209
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,640
year.
They're they're they're taking a

1210
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,560
step back and they're like 50-60
this year.

1211
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,240
So yeah, it's it's not only
stagnated, it's a step back.

1212
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,520
You can't fire them all, but you
got to tell them hey, get rid of

1213
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,440
this.
Call them all in the room and

1214
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,880
cuss them all out, starting with
the head coach.

1215
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,800
You cuss him too.
You you you messing up too.

1216
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,760
But bars.
I like you buddy, but one of my

1217
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,640
coaching buddies said you won't
recruit none of his players.

1218
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,680
He's got a, he's got a, a
championship winning team.

1219
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,160
I think he's lost four games in
four years at a high school

1220
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,240
here, and he knows Marr very
well.

1221
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,280
Besides all that, you keep on
fucking up, man, and I liked

1222
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,920
you.
I wanted to, but you got to go

1223
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:06,200
Stew, hope, put on your book bag
and start hitch hiking.

1224
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,400
Halloween's over.
You ain't got to worry about

1225
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,120
Michael Miles and nobody chasing
you.

1226
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,120
Just ease on down, ease on down
the road.

1227
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,000
I still have the.
RV You think You think you still

1228
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,080
got the RV?
It's so hard for me.

1229
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,600
It's so hard for me for the Stew
hope thing because I mean, we

1230
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,640
did have a lot of different
collapses and things like that.

1231
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,240
But at the same time, if I'm
going to give, you know, go at a

1232
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,400
coach, I got to give him some
credit.

1233
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,320
I mean, we do have John Love,
who is the man, you know, he has

1234
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,720
to be developed by somebody.
Peter Moore same booming the

1235
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,160
ball.
So what I mean took a Holloway,

1236
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,480
if he was there, you know, I
feel like Lane, I feel like Lane

1237
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,880
this year has been as I don't
know if he's injured, he's just

1238
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,560
a step different, especially on
punt, you know, I don't know if

1239
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,360
you can put somebody else back
there, but it's been sometimes

1240
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,920
when I've seen maybe some holes
open up and Lane's just not as

1241
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,800
quick to get there as he was.
So I hate to say it about Stu.

1242
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,120
Like I feel bad to say Stu has
to go, but if I'm just having

1243
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,240
that tough conversation, I'm
sorry that things didn't work

1244
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,040
out for you.
You did a good job by getting us

1245
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,479
love, but you got to go to all
right.

1246
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,760
First of all, I'm going to put
what Jim said up here.

1247
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,080
Yes, this is the exercise, Jim.
You got to throw somebody under

1248
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,279
the bus.
Jim, are you going to keep Jim?

1249
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,560
I know you're out there, you're
always with us.

1250
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,640
I love you because you put a
great bunch of comments in and

1251
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,040
I'm going to throw this right to
Jim.

1252
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,479
So Jim, are you not letting
anybody go?

1253
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,040
5 and 4 is acceptable, 7:00 and
6:00 last year was acceptable.

1254
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,240
I'm going to put that on you
because I'm going to do the

1255
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,800
other question in a second.
Six and six this year.

1256
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,680
Is that acceptable?
Is that acceptable?

1257
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,720
Maybe seven and six would have
both six and seven, whatever.

1258
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,800
But I'm also going to go more
because I keep saying, y'all,

1259
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:04,399
how often is Pry in that room?
How many times, because I'm

1260
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,479
sitting here, I'm going to say,
you know what, the Stanford

1261
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,279
game, Brent Pryor was in that
room all week.

1262
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,240
He created that game plan.
That's why we only gave up

1263
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,640
seven.
Then he turned it back over and

1264
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:20,720
then BC and then all this.
So and it's more of the there's

1265
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,080
there's a model out there.
They got wrote this year by

1266
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,880
Clark Lee where if you're a
defensive head coach, take over

1267
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,920
to defense, go find some senior
guy to help out with the

1268
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,720
offense.
Look what's happened with

1269
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,040
Vanderbilt and I know they have
a good quarterback, but you saw

1270
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,120
that right and happened right.
They beat us.

1271
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,760
They beat Alabama.
They they should have beat they

1272
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,640
got they got a job to Texas to
Texas was a job.

1273
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,080
They should have beat Texas.
The SEC couldn't let that SEC

1274
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,120
couldn't let that happen.
They couldn't let that

1275
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,160
Vanderbilt team beat another
good team.

1276
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,280
But for, but for Chris Maher,
it's it Brian says that the,

1277
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,360
the, the, it's the collapses at
the end.

1278
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,320
And and y'all, I'm going to go
back.

1279
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,240
You know, even like the last
couple years we've had those,

1280
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,360
you know, we've had those games
last year where we fell apart at

1281
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,600
the end.
You know, think about the

1282
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,040
Marshall game.
I know we always put on the

1283
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,680
offense, but the defense gave up
all the second-half points, you

1284
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,000
know, so and again, I think he
is a nice human being.

1285
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,600
He's probably a great football
mind.

1286
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,280
But it's like I think somebody
put in the chat about an hour

1287
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,760
ago when we were first starting.
It doesn't feel like he has the

1288
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,720
killer instinct mentality to be
A, to be a defensive

1289
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,440
coordinator, which you have to
have, which you absolutely have

1290
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,720
to have.
I need my defensive coordinators

1291
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,560
to be sweaty.
I know Marv is black, but I want

1292
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,840
him to be red like Kirby Smart
be, you know, freaking yelling

1293
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,000
on the sideline like Will
Muschamp used to be.

1294
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,280
I need to see you, like, get on
somebody.

1295
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,360
I think we were in zero
coverage.

1296
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,360
And you know, Monsieur comes up
and tries to jump around, misses

1297
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,560
a tackle guy looks like he's
running with a peg leg and goes

1298
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,360
and scores a touchdown.
And you know, it's 21 to three.

1299
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,800
You get a stop right there.
If you just come up and tackle

1300
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,360
that guy, I think it's 4th and
three or fourth and four,

1301
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,520
something like that.
And you know, we see what

1302
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,120
happens and that's a totally
different game.

1303
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,600
When that happens, I want the
camera to pan to my defensive

1304
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,080
coordinator and him to be a
wreck.

1305
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,800
I want him to throw his headset.
I want him to grab the person

1306
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,720
that mess.
I want, I want to see some

1307
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,680
emotion, you know, I just think
our coaching staff is too nice,

1308
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,120
you know, I think they follow
that from the head coach A.

1309
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,120
Little too even keel, I think.
You won't even keel, but

1310
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,520
sometimes it's.
You got to get angry.

1311
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,320
You got to get angry.
You got to have another gear,

1312
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,480
right?
Like, I think that's that,

1313
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,200
that's what I think we're maybe
missing is that we don't have

1314
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:51,440
that extra gear that this staff
can kind of light into when they

1315
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:57,200
need to, to kind of bring things
back when the when the wheels

1316
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,160
fall off a little bit.
All right, because because we we

1317
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,960
see that snowball happen a lot
now.

1318
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,840
It doesn't it doesn't happen
with the frequency that we saw

1319
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,320
in year 1, but we're still
seeing that snowball effect

1320
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,240
happened in these games.
We're just a lot more talented

1321
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,840
now where it doesn't end up, you
know, being a completely fall

1322
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,680
off the Cliff situation.
Yeah, I'm going to put up Jim

1323
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,280
because Jim, appreciate the
answer man.

1324
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:30,720
I actually I like this a lot
right here, but but that that's

1325
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,920
another story.
By the way, Robbie agreeing with

1326
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,280
the linebackers.
Y'all think Jim also asked, does

1327
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,360
anybody bail on us?
Well, that's just the fact of

1328
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,440
life.
Somebody could easily leave this

1329
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:44,240
offseason and we wouldn't be
shocked.

1330
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:51,200
So right, like, like, you know,
as much as Tally was joking on

1331
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,600
Stu Holt, Caitlin de Boer might
be like, man, he knows how to do

1332
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,800
punters and kickers.
We have that problem down at

1333
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,680
Alabama.
Let me go pay him $750,000.

1334
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,920
He knows how to train them.
That's just the fact of life and

1335
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,520
coaching in general nowadays at
college football that if

1336
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,800
somebody from a blue blood
program wants one of your guys,

1337
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,600
they usually can write the
checks.

1338
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:15,880
So, yeah.
All right.

1339
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Last question.
And by the way, told you I was

1340
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,040
going to be an hour doing this.
I don't lie.

1341
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,520
I know my, I know my boys here.
I know how we talk on this shit.

1342
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:33,640
But if Brent Pry is let go and I
think Jim, you put it in there,

1343
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,840
does Whip Babcock make that
decision?

1344
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,160
Sheldon, I'm putting this on
you.

1345
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,200
A, you work in athletic
departments before you are an

1346
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,440
alumni out of the school.
Should Whip Babcock be the

1347
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:51,720
person that makes that decision?
I would say, I would say no.

1348
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,240
I think, you know, first of all,
Witt is certainly closing on the

1349
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,800
end of his Virginia Tech tenure.
And that's not, you know, some

1350
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,600
some drastic statement like he's
been here 10 years.

1351
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,520
He's not going to be here for,
you know, an extreme long amount

1352
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,840
of time.
Like, you know, you, you'll get

1353
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,440
2 football hires if you mess up
on both of them.

1354
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,640
That's probably all.
So, you know, I could see a

1355
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,400
situation maybe Witt, you know,
a few years says, hey, you know

1356
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,680
what, I'm moving on and then
maybe prior stays next day he

1357
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,480
comes in can reevaluate things
from there.

1358
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:27,120
But I do think that's his tenure
is certainly closer to to being

1359
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,960
done than it is to being
started.

1360
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,000
So.
Callie.

1361
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,640
You got to get out of there.
He can't make no more highs.

1362
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,360
You can't.
You can't make no more football

1363
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,560
highs, buddy.
Sorry, I mean, again, I've

1364
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,240
talked about this with a couple
people too.

1365
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:54,040
When we hired Fuente like that
was a was that not a splash

1366
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,880
hire?
Like that was Florida State did

1367
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,280
the same thing.
That was a great hire.

1368
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,120
Like when hired Norville, it was
like, man, Florida State did a

1369
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:03,600
great job, you know what I'm
saying?

1370
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,920
And then he takes him to the
playoffs and something.

1371
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,120
So I can't put it all on wit,
you know what I'm saying?

1372
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,800
Sometimes it just has to do with
fit.

1373
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,600
I don't think Brett Pryor was a
bad hire, you know what I'm

1374
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,920
saying?
So it's hard to answer that

1375
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,280
question.
It just comes down to kind of

1376
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,400
what Sheldon says.
It's like, OK, like, is it time

1377
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,560
for him to move on?
Is it time for him to go ahead

1378
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,600
and do something different?
And hopefully the next person

1379
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,560
that comes in has a
concentration in something,

1380
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:37,280
hopefully football.
But again, a lot of people rag

1381
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,920
on Wit, but I don't think that
the highest that he made were

1382
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:44,960
like erroneous.
Like, I don't think they were

1383
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,880
crazy.
I just think that sometimes it

1384
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,360
doesn't work out.
Now, do we stick with stuff too

1385
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,320
long?
That may be more of the issue of

1386
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,720
how long do you let somebody
stay before it's time for them

1387
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,200
to go or you make them make
changes.

1388
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,320
I I.
Will say this, I, I, I have a

1389
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:08,080
bigger problem with not
necessarily who that he's picked

1390
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,040
for a lot of these spots, but
maybe how he's managed them

1391
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,680
after that pick.
And that's the tally's point a

1392
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,920
little bit, whether it goes back
to how quickly you put yourself

1393
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,240
behind the 8 ball with Fuentes
contract with that extension.

1394
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,280
You know, we can talk about some
other things on the basketball

1395
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,080
front.
I mean, there there are things

1396
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,960
that I think we do sometimes
where we lock ourselves into bad

1397
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,960
situations.
If you're wet, if you lock

1398
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,600
yourself into a bad situation,
then you have to own it a little

1399
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,360
bit more than you have.
And that means let your guy know

1400
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,880
a if it's not working, you got
to do something different,

1401
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,840
whether that's fire guys, hire
guys, do something.

1402
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:52,200
You got to, if you going to put
yourself in a position where you

1403
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,840
have less control over the
situation from a contract

1404
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,600
standpoint, you have to govern
that a little more close to your

1405
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,720
vest and not just be the guy
that's overseeing the big ship

1406
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,440
here.
So that that's been my problem

1407
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,560
with wit.
And to that point, you've had

1408
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,480
two situations where you got
into this point you don't get

1409
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:13,440
1/3.
Nah, Nope.

1410
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,520
Sheldon, close this out.
Yeah.

1411
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,320
So just to kind of, you know,
put a cap around the wit

1412
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,560
discussion, I will say I think,
you know, wit's always been a

1413
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,880
big baseball guy.
Like he played baseball at GMU

1414
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,560
and I talked with John Chef one
time.

1415
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,680
He he straight of told me like
he's perceived as a guy that

1416
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,280
really gets baseball.
So that's kind of his sport.

1417
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,840
That's his expertise And you
know, say H1 about the baseball

1418
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,480
program.
I'm just doing doing a good on

1419
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:40,400
that that rabbit hole.
But I think as an, as an AD,

1420
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,280
like, you know, you have to have
a certain type of feel for what

1421
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,920
support needs.
Like I was listening to a

1422
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,200
podcast with a softball coach I
used to work with and she's

1423
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,480
telling me like when she took
the job at the at, at the school

1424
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:54,720
she was working at, like she had
an AD who really understood

1425
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,320
softball and, and what that
program needed to be successful.

1426
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,920
I think the issue with wit is
that he just does not have the

1427
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,360
the football background to sort
of have a good feel for like,

1428
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,040
you know, what, what good
coaching looks like and what the

1429
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,080
program necessarily needs to be
successful.

1430
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,080
And that's not to say that, you
know, everything's bad or, you

1431
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,800
know, maybe pride does work out
eventually, But I just think

1432
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,080
there's there's something
missing on a fundamental level

1433
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,720
that that sort of stems from the
fact that witches isn't truly on

1434
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,560
a fundamental level a big
football guy.

1435
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,640
And I think you can kind of see
that kind of filter out to the

1436
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,040
rest of the program.
All righty.

1437
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,640
So there it is.
We told our truth as much as we

1438
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:36,240
could on the situation.
Obviously, I think we all feel

1439
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,760
this way and I don't think
anybody doesn't feel this way.

1440
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,560
Where we stand right now,
changes have to be made.

1441
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:46,680
Changes have to be made because
I'm like what somebody said in

1442
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,360
the chat a little while ago.
We sat here in December.

1443
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,520
I'm trying to get the exact
date.

1444
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:52,960
When was the last press
conference?

1445
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,240
December, probably my mama's
birthday.

1446
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:03,400
December 2nd, yeah.
Second, if December 2nd, there

1447
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,760
is not a discussion of so and so
have been let go, so and so has

1448
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,520
been let go, so and so has been
let go.

1449
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,600
We're moving forward.
Then guess what?

1450
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,880
Somebody like me at A5, I'm
coming up with Tally and

1451
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,600
Shelton.
I'm like at A7 because then it's

1452
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,520
like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?

1453
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,080
Like fucking is tally.
You put the record up a little

1454
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,280
bit earlier to us. 15 and 1815
and 18 don't work.

1455
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,480
Don't care if you win these last
three games, you get to 18 and

1456
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:37,480
1818 and 18 does not work.
Especially when this is the

1457
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:39,240
case.
You won an 11 and one score

1458
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:39,840
games.
Yo.

1459
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,720
He's 14 and seven in other
games.

1460
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,720
You imagine flipping that
narrative of close games and

1461
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,240
just split it in half and being
like 20 and 13, we'd be feeling

1462
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,600
really good from where we were
in 2022.

1463
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,800
But that is what it is.
Anything else y'all want to say

1464
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,520
before we we do have to talk
about the keys to this game this

1465
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,360
weekend?
And I know I told y'all this was

1466
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,920
going to take a lot out of us.
We've been talking all this shit

1467
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:11,280
for the last hour.
So anything else I'll give you

1468
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,760
all I.
Got man, I've got it off my

1469
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,320
chest.
I'm ready to move on.

1470
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,120
Let's talk about the keys of
this Clemson game, let's talk

1471
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,000
some predictions, and then let's
let's make some fun picks to

1472
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,280
close this bitch out and then
y'all can go look at the

1473
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,280
electoral maps if y'all want to.
No, I got that up over here.

1474
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:30,520
Well, Brian, you said what's
your, what's your keys?

1475
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,800
I mean, I think we already
talked about it a lot tonight

1476
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,160
and it's going to it's going to
carry over here, man.

1477
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,640
I need to see great situational
football from the coaches and

1478
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,640
the players in this game.
Listen, I want to see.

1479
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,760
That's the key to success.
All right, Sean Natali.

1480
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,640
Well, I'll go next.
I just I mean, I hate to kind of

1481
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,480
sound redundant and sound, you
know, say what Brian says, but

1482
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,760
mine was coach you you have to
coach, you know, to beat

1483
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,120
Clemson, you're going to have to
I don't even want to say out

1484
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,600
coaching.
You're going to have to coach

1485
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,920
them though.
You have to coach, you know,

1486
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,320
you're going to have to make
adjustments.

1487
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,520
You're going to have to have
some timeouts called at the

1488
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,840
right times and certain.
You got to go in and coach, you

1489
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,320
know, I'll even go a step
farther.

1490
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,440
You got to coach like your job
depends on it.

1491
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,760
That's going to be a quick key
to beating Clemson.

1492
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:34,920
You can't be going in here and
happy that Hokey Nation showed

1493
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,640
up and we sold out another game.
You got to be if we don't win

1494
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,000
this game, this might be it,
right?

1495
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,880
We we need to have that mindset
for the rest of the year as the

1496
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,960
culture staff, in my opinion.
What about you, Sheldon?

1497
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,560
Act like you're the better team.
I mean, we've seen Tech, you

1498
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,080
know, handle handle competition
against against team that they

1499
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,160
they should, that they're better
than.

1500
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,480
And I think this is a game
where, you know, for the first

1501
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,640
time in a long time, Vt has a
has a good chance to beat

1502
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,800
Clemson.
I think they match up well.

1503
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,240
I think that, you know, the the
teams aren't too different and

1504
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:05,600
this again, that they're more
than capable of winning.

1505
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,840
So come into the game acts like
you're the better team at

1506
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,640
expecting that you should win.
I like that.

1507
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,480
I'm going to go back to
something that a couple people

1508
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,960
said earlier.
I want to see meanness.

1509
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,280
And when I say meanness, not
only from the players or from

1510
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,680
the coaches, I want to see Brent
Pryor this week because there's

1511
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,120
going to be some bullshit call.
There's one every week to

1512
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,720
fucking get in, slam something,
show emotion.

1513
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,160
I want to see guys on the
sidelines show emotion.

1514
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,480
I want to see if a player fucks
up.

1515
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,640
I want to see the.
I mean, we saw Frank do it.

1516
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,240
Y'all even older Frank would
grab a guy about a face mask and

1517
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,120
get in their face.
We saw that.

1518
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,160
Get mean.
Set a tone.

1519
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,440
Because nice guys don't win
football games.

1520
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,680
Assholes win football games and
we're playing too nice.

1521
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,560
Get mean because I think one of
those wide receivers go across

1522
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,880
the middle and most Phillips
lays the hammer on them.

1523
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,960
Don't get a targeting penalty,
please.

1524
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:03,600
We ain't good enough.
It's safety to lose.

1525
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,560
Somebody set the tone, coaches
set the tone.

1526
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,600
That's the key to me this week
and I'm going to go ahead and

1527
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,240
roll into my prediction.
And as much as I want to see him

1528
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,920
play mean, I think unfortunately
King, Clemson getting kicked in

1529
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,080
the balls last weekend was not
good for us.

1530
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,000
I think we play competitive, but
I do think we lose this game

1531
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,440
somewhere in the neighborhood,
similar to Miami like a 3831

1532
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,560
game.
I do think we put some points on

1533
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,080
them, even though that defense
is good.

1534
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,600
No one Capehart is out now, no
one Tooting likely back another

1535
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,760
questionable I think.
I think they get us by a

1536
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:48,360
touchdown.
Yeah, I said I'll go.

1537
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,360
My prediction was I think it's
going to be a little bit more

1538
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,880
than that.
Clemson probably about 45 to 28.

1539
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:01,040
So we got too many people
injured, you know, from, you

1540
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,120
know, process this person
questionable, questionable,

1541
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,040
questionable.
They're probably not playing.

1542
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:10,040
So I think we got too many
people injured to to come out

1543
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,440
with a win in this game.
All right.

1544
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,080
Yeah, I'm unfortunately not to
say Clemson.

1545
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,080
A couple reasons.
Like Curtis said, they're going

1546
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,320
to be pissed off coming to this
game, but they lost last week

1547
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,120
and they have a full game of
film to study Schlee and the

1548
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,320
backup running back.
So I just, I don't feel great

1549
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,280
with the matchup.
I think V2 will backdoor cover

1550
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:35,600
but Clemson wins 30 to 24.
I, I like the Tigers in this one

1551
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,720
3428.
I just, I don't think we're

1552
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,160
going to have enough gas in this
on either side of the football

1553
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,400
to, to really get it done, take
care of business here.

1554
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,920
I think it's going to be closer
than a lot of people are

1555
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,560
thinking, especially after last
week and especially considering

1556
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:52,880
who we may or may not have
playing.

1557
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,920
I'm not really sure what to take
away from that because, you

1558
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,240
know, last week we got a
probable designation and then

1559
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,600
and then now we got a
questionable designation for

1560
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,840
more players.
But so who who's going to really

1561
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,640
know what that looks like?
But let me ask you this.

1562
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,280
So we got our predictions in
there.

1563
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,440
We all think the Tigers are
going to win and, and I'm going

1564
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,640
to shout out Grayson Wimbish on
this one.

1565
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:23,880
But if we win, is that going to
piss you off a little bit?

1566
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,160
No.
Why?

1567
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:35,800
So given given the outcomes in
Rutgers, Miami against Syracuse,

1568
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,040
but then you go and beat
Clemson.

1569
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,320
When it don't even matter.
Doesn't matter.

1570
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,400
That could have mattered if
you'd have just taken care of

1571
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,640
business.
Let me tell you, going to bed on

1572
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,080
Saturday night with a win, I
don't give a fuck who it's over

1573
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,040
is a hell of a lot better than
going to bed with a fucking

1574
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,000
loss.
All right, so that's some dumb

1575
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,280
bullshit.
Grayson, I love you, but that's

1576
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,800
stupid.
I will be mad if we beat Clemson

1577
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,840
because you say what you want to
say to what Jonathan Talley said

1578
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,880
this year.
That'd be a signature.

1579
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,080
There'd be kids saying, well,
they fucked up those games, but

1580
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,000
they could be the team that
good, right?

1581
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:16,000
Yeah, I won't be mad if we win.
I just know that we ain't so I

1582
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,120
ain't even thinking about it.
Yeah, I always, always

1583
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,360
appreciate every win you get,
especially because it's off 25

1584
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,280
team.
You got to appreciate the win.

1585
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,560
You also got to think, well, you
know, this gets you bowl

1586
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,160
eligibility for you know,
whether you whether you care

1587
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,840
about that or not, it.
Gets you there.

1588
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,600
With two games left to play it's
frustrating though.

1589
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,880
I I get it being frustrated.
I'm not going to be mad at the

1590
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,240
win, but I can be frustrated at
the win.

1591
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:43,320
You've proved against teams like
Miami and then you go against

1592
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,840
the team and you take a win
against a team like Clemson.

1593
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,240
You prove that you can do it.
Your your consistency and those

1594
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:55,280
situational plays and coaching
mistakes have cost you a chance

1595
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,680
to play for something more.
But what it tells you is who in

1596
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,880
my room did so much better this
week.

1597
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:07,360
That fucked up against Syracuse,
who fucked up against man,

1598
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,280
because that's where your notes
need to be taken.

1599
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,080
Oh, he's coaching his A off this
week, but what did he do?

1600
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,040
Look at that week.
He was a little lackadaisical,

1601
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,040
not as enthusiastic, not as
punishing, not as right in

1602
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,080
people's faces.
Clemson week, he got up.

1603
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,760
That's like players too, right?
You get mad at players like he's

1604
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,200
trying to play his best right
now because it's the national

1605
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,000
stage.
Play every game like that.

1606
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:34,680
All right, sorry.
All right.

1607
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,480
Anything else gentlemen as we
close the door on that and move

1608
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:43,400
over to some gambling picks?
I'm all set buddy.

1609
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,040
Let's do it.
Let's rock big screeners as we

1610
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:53,120
get into Week 11, Week 11 and as
always, Brian Siegler kicks us

1611
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,200
off.
Which part of the country are

1612
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,320
you travelling to, Brian?
Hey, we're going back to

1613
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,920
Nashville, baby.
We got the, the, the, the

1614
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,680
Fighting Beamers heading to
Vandy.

1615
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,600
Vandy getting 3 1/2 at home.
And I mean, I've Vandy has

1616
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:15,200
played to the level of every
single opponent they faced this

1617
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,520
season.
And I don't think that changes.

1618
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,800
I think Vandy with that home
field advantage escapes.

1619
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:23,600
I think they went out right
here.

1620
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,520
So give me Vandy.
Yep, I'm, I'm with you.

1621
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:32,160
I think South Carolina is coming
off the biggest win of Shane

1622
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,600
Beamer's career down there.
And I think it's going to be a

1623
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,440
let down game.
And I think it's also exactly

1624
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:42,640
what you just said.
Brian Vanderbilt shows up every

1625
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,240
week for who they play against.
Doesn't matter who it is, the

1626
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,600
best team or the worst team.
So I think when they're a home

1627
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,680
dog, give me the 3 1/2.
I think Vanderbilt wins outright

1628
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,920
as well.
I actually took I took USC,

1629
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,680
although Curtis makes a good
point.

1630
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,880
That's like they they probably
do for an emotional let down,

1631
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,040
but I don't know, I just, I
think they're, I think they're

1632
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,200
legit.
I think I think, you know, Coach

1633
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,600
Beaver's building up something
pretty special.

1634
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,640
So I think, I think Vanny's due
for a loss too.

1635
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:14,440
I took Vandy.
They got some voodoo man at that

1636
01:29:14,440 --> 01:29:16,520
field.
So I'm just going to say Vandy.

1637
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,080
Until as long as they're playing
games there while that thing is

1638
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,560
still under construction,
they're going to.

1639
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,400
Have Yeah, some.
Sort of weird advantage.

1640
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,880
Yeah, they're going to keep that
thing under construction for the

1641
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,760
next like 10 years.
Yeah.

1642
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:33,520
All right, Miranda goes Danny.
And rode along with the rest of

1643
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:34,160
us there.
Shelton.

1644
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:35,280
So you're out there on an
island.

1645
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,160
He is on an island.
I'm I'm both in it, that's OK.

1646
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:39,320
You guys are sheep.
That's OK.

1647
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,080
All righty.
Well, I'm taking us to Atlanta

1648
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,280
where the number four in the
CFP.

1649
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,600
We didn't get to talk about that
tonight because we had to unload

1650
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,600
our emotional baggage from
Virginia Tech, the number 4

1651
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:01,400
ranked Miami Hurricanes go down
to Georgia Tech Georgia Tech

1652
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,720
getting 11.
Haynes King.

1653
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,080
I I did do some research on
that.

1654
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:12,520
Still not sure if he's back or
not, but even if he's back, I

1655
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,640
think when you saw last week
Miami starts putting the gears.

1656
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,240
Duke has a good defense and when
they start putting the gears

1657
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:25,000
down, you see it.
It's like they do not miss when

1658
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,040
they're on offense.
They are going to score and

1659
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,840
they're going to score a lot.
I think it's going to be an

1660
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:37,360
entertaining game.
Give me 4528 Miami.

1661
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,240
Yeah, Curtis, I'm with you
there.

1662
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,080
I think Miami's just got too
much offense.

1663
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,840
Even if King is able to go, I
don't think Georgia Tech's gonna

1664
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,520
be able to keep up with that
Miami offense.

1665
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,680
So I think the Hurricanes will
win by about two touchdowns

1666
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,880
here.
Shell, I think, I feel like

1667
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,080
Miami's due for a sloppy game.
They'll still win but I think

1668
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,360
King with her a couple dumb
picks and maybe GTO surprising

1669
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:07,680
people a little bit.
All right, I'm, I'm going Miami.

1670
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,920
See, is he an island again?
Nope.

1671
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,400
He's not joining him this week,
right Is joining him on this

1672
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,640
one.
Sticking with the the rest of

1673
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,480
the fellows here, all righty.
Shelton Moss, you have the next

1674
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:26,200
one, Sir.
I was super excited about this

1675
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,200
game, the Holy War, a state that
have a a a clear affection for

1676
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,600
in Utah match up of a team in
BYU that's been moving up the

1677
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,520
CIP rankings with each and
everyone.

1678
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,800
I think it's kind of falling off
of Utah, but you know, still

1679
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,160
have some good talent that team.
So I think it'll be an

1680
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,760
interesting game.
I'm going to take Utah.

1681
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,880
I think they'll be motivated in
a big rivalry game.

1682
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,600
I don't know whatever what
trophy they call it, but

1683
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,560
whatever trophy it is, they'll
they'll keep it in Salt Lake

1684
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:54,120
City.
I dig that and I'm riding with

1685
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,880
you there, Sheldon.
I think this does come down to a

1686
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,720
field goal there at the end.
But I think that, you know, 4

1687
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,240
points at home, this type of
rivalry, just a little too rich

1688
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:05,720
for my blood.
So give me Utah.

1689
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,200
All right, first of all, they
play for the beehive boot in the

1690
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,520
Holy War.
That's beehive boot.

1691
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,680
Everybody looked at one of those
interesting things.

1692
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,960
BYU ranked 9th in the CFP.
Y'all can see they would be the

1693
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,400
four seed.
They would get a buy if things

1694
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,480
hold out.
But in this one, being in Salt

1695
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,800
Lake City, being at Utah, Utah
four and four.

1696
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,440
By the way, you want to talk
about a team with expectations

1697
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:38,040
that have fell flat?
Utah preseason top ten now 500.

1698
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,840
Y'all imagine if we were ranked
10th and we were five and four

1699
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,080
y'all, Y'all thinking hours long
would have done tonight?

1700
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,920
Oh no, we would have been going
for two just.

1701
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,280
A What if you was ranked 10th
and you were one in seven?

1702
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,120
It's not, yeah, it's not FSU
rock.

1703
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,240
Bottom it ain't FSU rock bottom,
but still it they should have

1704
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,920
been better, but I'm kind of
with Brian.

1705
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,040
I think I'll think Utah with the
points.

1706
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:06,280
I think BYU probably sneaks it
out the tally.

1707
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,720
What are you thinking, man?
I'm going to take BYU, man.

1708
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:15,240
I just think, you know, they're
playing good ball and Utah is

1709
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,320
not.
So it's going to be a holy war

1710
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:23,120
and BYU is going to be on the
side of the Lord or whatever

1711
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,280
they, whatever they, their
version of the Lord all.

1712
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:33,880
Right, we got Miranda taking
Utah, Jason, Ron with Tally

1713
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:38,760
saying go Cougars, go Cougars.
Oh, Tally, Tally.

1714
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,720
Oh, you showed me what?
Go ahead.

1715
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:46,160
Let's talk about it.
Alabama, LSU, man, it is always,

1716
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,880
always a good game of a good
rivalry game here.

1717
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:52,720
Everybody gets together down
here for that game.

1718
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,480
It's, you know, similar to the
Iron Bowl.

1719
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:01,040
Those games used to be like
knock down drag outs 6 to 9,

1720
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,360
three to six games between
Alabama and LSU.

1721
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,440
Might have times changed where
the offenses are different, but

1722
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:14,360
just because it is going to LSUI
think that LSU is going to pull

1723
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,920
this game out.
I think they probably beat

1724
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,240
Alabama by about 7 is what I
would think.

1725
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,840
By the way, LSU is getting the
points, Brian.

1726
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:29,320
LSU is a home dog on that one.
And what about you, Brian?

1727
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:32,360
Did I put it in here wrong?
That's yeah, you put it, you

1728
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:33,360
flip-flopped.
That's fine.

1729
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,480
We can correct it.
Yeah, that's my.

1730
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:39,680
It's all right.
Yeah, that's why I was riding

1731
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,640
with Alabama here.
I, I, I think Alabama is going

1732
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,320
to going to win this by at least
a touchdown all.

1733
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,960
Right.
I'm going with tally with this

1734
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:53,040
one.
I think LSU is, I think after

1735
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,840
the loss to A and MI think they
bounced back.

1736
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:00,600
This isn't the Alabama of old
being at Death Valley at night.

1737
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,680
I think that's enough.
I think, Kyle, I think you're

1738
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:04,160
about right.
I think I think a touchdown's

1739
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,640
about right.
And probably like a 3138 game is

1740
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,640
going to be fun to watch
Saturday night.

1741
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,000
And I think that with that, that
effectively is going to keep out

1742
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,080
Bama's not making a playoff
after this game.

1743
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,840
Yeah, I'm taking, I'm, I'm
taking Bama.

1744
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,240
They're kind of for bye week.
I think they're going to stop

1745
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,200
them honestly.
I mean, not, not too big a win,

1746
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,200
but they'll come out and they'll
they'll handle business.

1747
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,520
All right, this is an
elimination game, pretty much.

1748
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,040
One of these teams will not make
the playoff, whoever loses this

1749
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:36,440
game.
So there's tally.

1750
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:42,240
We're together, Miranda with us.
We got a split house here on

1751
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:46,880
this game.
All righty Miranda is going out

1752
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,560
to Lubbock where again we got
another home dog.

1753
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,280
Texas Tech land 3 1/2 to
Colorado.

1754
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,600
Colorado a sneaky 6 and two
right now.

1755
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:00,280
Texas Tech coming off the big
upset over Iowa State last week.

1756
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,040
Brian Siegler, How do you see
this from playing out?

1757
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,200
I mean, you got to give Dion
some credit.

1758
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,200
He's accomplished probably what
the goal of this team was eight

1759
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:13,080
games into the year, sitting
there at 6:00 and 2:00.

1760
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,680
So I'm I'm riding with the the
Buffaloes here.

1761
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,320
Yep, I I'm right with you on
that.

1762
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,840
I think Texas Tech it's again to
get up again.

1763
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,360
I don't think they'll do it even
at home.

1764
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,920
I I just don't I just don't see
this happening.

1765
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,040
Give me Colorado.
I like 3 1/2.

1766
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,560
Man, that color offense is above
star right now.

1767
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,280
I don't think they're going to
stop anytime soon.

1768
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,240
I think they're going to going
to go to 7:00 and 2:00.

1769
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:46,480
Yeah, give me Colorado as well.
I've not watched one play from

1770
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:50,760
Texas Tech is mainly the only
reason that I say it Colorado.

1771
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:55,880
But I do think Colorado wins.
And we are rolling as a.

1772
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,840
Oh man, well, we didn't put the
voodoo curse right there.

1773
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,480
Colorado going to lose about 20
points now because we all rode

1774
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:05,280
together on this one.
All righty.

1775
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,160
Last but not least, as always,
let's end with the song Our

1776
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,800
Music Man with Michigan,
Indiana.

1777
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:32,080
When I was born in a small town
and I lived in a small town, I'd

1778
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:36,240
probably die.
A small town, small home,

1779
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:43,720
community at home afraid.
This is a small town where

1780
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:51,000
parents live in the same small
town, my God's.

1781
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:58,560
A small town without a little
lava to the thinking hope.

1782
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,240
Hey folks, it's Jamie.
Hat to a little John Mellencamp.

1783
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,160
He's one of Indiana's favorite
sons.

1784
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,960
And that's where I'm headed for
this week's edition of Guitar

1785
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,560
Licks and Gambling Picks.
Michigan travels to Indiana on

1786
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,280
Saturday and the Hoosiers have
been flat out rolling this year.

1787
01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:29,800
They are 9 and O, and they're
eight and one against the

1788
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,200
spread.
So I'm going to take Indiana -12

1789
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,920
1/2 points this Saturday against
Michigan.

1790
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:43,720
Though I cannot feel for where
these I come.

1791
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,240
From my head.
Forgive the people who really

1792
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,360
love me when I keep myself here
in a small town and people

1793
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,960
letting me Jesus will want to be
in.

1794
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:14,240
Yeah.
I can't believe I'm saying it,

1795
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:19,240
being a Sycamore and all.
But go Hoosiers. -12 1/2 versus

1796
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,680
Michigan.
See you next week.

1797
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,240
All righty, there we go, Jason
taking Indiana there.

1798
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,480
John Mellencamp.
I'm surprised he did not do Jack

1799
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:31,960
and Diane so he could, say,
sucking on chili dogs outside.

1800
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,520
Tasty bees.
We don't need all that sucking

1801
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,240
on chili dogs, homie.
Hey, if they hey, if they keep

1802
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,240
winning, he going probably put
the Ohio State game on there and

1803
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:42,800
he might do another Mellencamp
song.

1804
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,200
Let's move on.
He's taking Indiana.

1805
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,080
He is laying a boat.
Ton of points.

1806
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,960
What are you doing, Brian?
And that's the problem with this

1807
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,600
one, man 12 1/2 is just a little
too rich for my blood.

1808
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:58,040
I think Michigan keeps it close
and Hoosiers win, but it's

1809
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,080
tight.
Yep, I, I I'm with you on that.

1810
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,040
I think Michigan's going to get
up for this 112 1/2 too much and

1811
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:05,840
we caught the line early at
things up.

1812
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:10,160
I think it's 14 now.
I'm going to check out on the on

1813
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:11,960
the book real quick, but I.
Think it needs to.

1814
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,840
It needs to be at least like 9
1/2.

1815
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,520
Before I would have been.
Man, I'm telling you, Sheldon

1816
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,200
Moth.
Yeah, India is definitely going

1817
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,120
to win, but Michigan will do
just enough to cover.

1818
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,040
I think they've got they've got
enough talent to keep a little

1819
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,880
bit close even though they're
having a big down year

1820
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,760
obviously.
Huge down your tally.

1821
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,920
Yamaga, Michigan.
Mine is too big.

1822
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,600
Too big, too big, man.
Everybody's against the music

1823
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:38,920
man this week.
Everybody gets.

1824
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,320
And by the way, that line did
hit the 14.

1825
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,760
Wow man.
All right, so that a.

1826
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,880
Lot of money's coming in on them
because they are on a hot streak

1827
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,240
so.
I they are and they're blowing

1828
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:54,960
and they're blowing teams out.
They're putting teams to bed, by

1829
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,880
the way.
It's, it's the, the narrative in

1830
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,960
the last few years, too, has
also flipped.

1831
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,560
You can hire an old coach.
You can hire somebody in their

1832
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:07,120
60s and you can do shit.
Signeti's 62 years old.

1833
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,760
So I I I am huh?
He's got the juice.

1834
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,240
He got the juice all right.
Anything else y'all want to add

1835
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,240
before we get a wrap on this
thing tonight?

1836
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:22,760
I got nothing, man.
Just go play.

1837
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:24,720
Just go play football on
Saturday.

1838
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,240
Go play football.
It's 330.

1839
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,040
All right, well, that is going
to wrap up this episode of the

1840
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:34,040
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1841
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,160
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1842
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,760
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1843
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1844
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,600
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1847
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,280
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1848
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,680
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1849
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1850
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1851
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,920
And I'm going to say it one last
time.

1852
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:12,440
Congratulations again to
Jonathan Harris.

1853
01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:14,800
Let me get the name exactly out
here.

1854
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,000
Ron, where'd it go?
Jonathan Harris 8975 is the

1855
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,320
winner.
You are the winner, you need to

1856
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,760
reach out to us to claim your
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1857
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,720
to you.
There it is right there.

1858
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,000
A piece of Hokie history is now
all yours for all y'all who

1859
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1860
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1861
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1862
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,080
As always, Jason who played that
wonderful rendition A Small Town

1863
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,960
by John Mellencamp.
Check him out at

1864
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,120
jasonlongmusic.com Links you to
all of his music pages,

1865
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,280
including his live events down
near the Roanoke area.

1866
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:53,880
We appreciate y'all always for
listening.

1867
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,880
Appreciate y'all in the chat
tonight with your feedback as I

1868
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,360
have to say this week because
it's always tough after a loss,

1869
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,040
but as always, let's go.

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