This week we welcome The Key Play writer and analyst Jonathan French. We look at his initial thoughts and feelings around the Sam Siefkes hire and how he's feeling now after doing a month-long dive into the tape. We also look at where the potential pitfalls may be with a defensive scheme shift at this stage of the Brent Pry era.

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And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner podcast.

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Along with my partner, Brian
Siegler, I am Curtis Wilson.

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We are a part of the College
Huddle Network.

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And this episode, as always, is
brought to you by Doctor Jeremy

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Counts down at Counts Family
Pharmacy, your friendly

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Bryan, just me and you tonight.
It seems like Tally was a late

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tap out for us.
Tally was a late tap out.

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We might get him at the end
here.

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We'll see.
But we're riding a a duo for

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now.
About to be a trio in a couple

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minutes here.
We have a pretty fun guest

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tonight.
Curtis, you've been busy man.

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We I know it's been a couple
weeks since we tapped in here.

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Busy dude.
Everybody's playing baseball.

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I got home at almost 10:00 last
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The little one start, the middle
one starts this week.

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We got a game this weekend.
We got to practice this weekend.

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Look, you showed up.
Hey.

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You ain't that late.
Hell and hot water.

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I fucking thought 9:00 I've seen
nine and thought 9 my time and

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then when you like oh Mama was
saying I'm like why the fuck

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will he be in so Oh fuck.
Man Alabama.

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Problems, Man, Alabama.
Problems.

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Well, Tally, he just asked if
I'm busy.

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I've been at the baseball field
all week.

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How about you?
Well, baseball, we had baseball

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this week because it's spring
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I feel like spring break is
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much other shit that happens.
Kids are trying to go places.

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Work has been very busy, which
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So when me working from home,
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is getting on early and staying
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So it sucks to have to do that,
but my sales reflect that it's

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beneficial to do that.
So I have been, I'm, I'm

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supposed to be on by 7:45 in the
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I've been getting on at 6:45.
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gets on, I've already got about
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day.
And like I quota, yeah, I quota

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is like 2500 for the day is what
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So I've been hanging since,
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kind of better.
I've been hanging around about

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35 to 4000 a day.
Hey, there you go.

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So you, you you closing about
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even show up.
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Yeah, and they're pissed.
The dudes, they have to go to

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the office.
I've been mad.

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You know, he's getting on.
He's getting on at 6:30.

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We can't do that, right?
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Too bad I'm so sad.
Too bad.

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You doing business?
I'll bet you, Brian, you've been

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busy.
Man, not quite drinking from the

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fire hose quite as much as I was
with the new position, but but

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still rocking and rolling.
Kind of starting to settle in a

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little bit.
Had a little fun little happy

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hour tonight.
Had some dinner, went up to Easy

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Burger, got some brews at
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All my RVA folks are what I'm
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Exactly.
Great burger.

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Great.
It was a good trip, got a good

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burger, got got a couple beers
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some some Co workers and headed
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roll.
We are ready to roll in tonight,

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although we lost Ally already in
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It's a fun one we are going to
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If you have ever read the key
play, which probably everybody

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out there watching, listening
has Frenching from the bench.

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That's where it was titled long,
long time ago, some of the best

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write ups about skiing technique
and what was going on with the

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Hokies.
Well, he is joining us and I can

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remember, Brian, probably when
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ago, me and you talked like one
day we got to have him on and

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why not now?
So for everybody out there, I'm

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going to say this.
If you're listening to the

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podcast, I'm highly suggesting
you go to YouTube.

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You can watch it because we're
going to have some screenshots

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and some things as French
pointing us out a few things.

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But without further ado from the
key play writer and analyst,

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they call him French.
French how you doing tonight

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man?
I'm I am upright and ambulatory.

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So that's that's better than I
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coaching career.
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I'm going to end with the jokes.
Singer right out the gate.

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Love that.
Sorry, after seeing him at

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Kabuki's talking with Vance Vice
in the corner instead of talking

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to this top running back recruit
never forgave him.

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There you go respect on that
well branch.

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We appreciate you coming on with
us tonight and breaking down

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this new defenses of Sam Cephas.
Y'all know I'm a butcher?

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That name so much.
Except if you have a you're.

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Right there with me.
I've misspelled it 40 times

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already.
If he ever comes on I'm

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literally going to have the
pronunciation guy to the right.

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Yeah, I've got to.
I've got to start doing better

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than the notes, man.
I got.

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I got to put everything
phonetically in there so that

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we're good.
That's all I'm going to say.

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All joke, but we're going to get
into it tonight.

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You've got some things obviously
to go, But French, give us a

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little bit of your background,
how you became a Virginia Tech

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fan it and when you play, where
you play collegiate ball, what

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positions give a little bit
about yourself to the folks out

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there.
Sure, I know who you.

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Are embarrassing history now I I
grew up in Abington Virginia and

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didn't play any kind of
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flag football until I was a
freshman in high school wanted

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to be a wide receiver.
I was a chubby kid I wasn't

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going to get to play wide
receivers so I focused on doing

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other stuff A colleague of my
mom whose son was the starting

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quarterback on the varsity when
I was a an eighth grader kind of

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harangued me into going out for
JV and didn't know what I was

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doing.
I was a just blocking bag

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getting flown around.
I had no idea how to even take

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contact and fortunately had a
good experience there running

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wing T offense and tore up my
ankle right after we we lost to

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Gate City in the 95 playoffs
team that Jake House right, Chad

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Beasley, Josh Shoemaker played
basketball at Wake Forest AS69

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playing quarterback and like
three days later I had an A

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hunting accident where I tore up
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So I figured that's into sports
and I went to Emory and Henry

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was close to home.
Felt good about being there and

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after a year I said Mac and play
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So I talked to the coach, Fred
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offensive coordinator and
offensive line coach there and

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ended up working out in the
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You know, back then everybody
dressed out by actually got to

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play in the very first game I
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Washington Jefferson.
They were ranked 6th in the

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country.
They came down to Emory and our

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tailback Oliver Jordan, who
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that year, had a huge game, so
good that even a scrub like me

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got to play.
So I played three years Emory

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after missing that first year
and was kind of the undersized

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guy who knew all the blocking
assignments, and they tried to

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make me a center.
I never could get snapping down,

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but God bless centers.
And you guys know J.

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Cole from Halifax County, I
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able to do it, but I always
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shotgun snaps.
But I played every other

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position at one point or the
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And most of my last year when I
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little bit more, it was a right
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offense.
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when I was a kid, Virginia Tech
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I was right on Tennessee,
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We got Tennessee games.
I didn't see a Virginia Tech

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game on TV until they beat UVA
the year that Sean Moore was

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quarterback and UVA had been
ranked number one and they had a

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game on ESPN.
So they were a non entity by the

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time 93 comes around and they're
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reputation, the, the defense,
the special teams, all that,

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that, you know, they had an
identity that I liked sort of

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the underdog.
We're going to hit you in the

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mouth, we're going to work
harder in the weight room type

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of stuff.
And they built on that and it

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was an easy team to root for,
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So that that's really where my
fandom came from and ended up

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living in after college, living
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with a bunch of BT grads that
brought me more into the fandom

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rather than, you know, sort of
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I can, you know, drink fish
bowls and watch Marcus Vick flip

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off West Virginia fans.
And but I was away then when

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they moved, like I was away from
anybody at talk sports.

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So 2010 comes around and Hokies
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game.
And I was really pissed about

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how that went.
And I had an account on.

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I can't even remember the
website.

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It might have been Gobbler
Country.

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And I forgot my password.
And I went over the Key Play and

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wrote up my here's my thoughts
about how that Stanford game

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went out.
And Joe, the editor of the key

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play that summer, asked me if I
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He said I'll provide the tape.
So all you got to do is tell me

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where the clips are and then
write, you know, what you think

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of the clips.
And the whole idea of me doing

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it was I got really irritated
sitting in a sports bar at a,

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you know, in the seats of the
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And people were like hit that
guy and had no or the offensive

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line didn't block anybody.
And it may have had nothing to

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do with the offensive line play
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And I just said, OK, I'm
arrogant enough that I'll tell

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everybody what I think's really
happened.

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And Lord knows people called me
an asshole a bunch of times.

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I don't know what I'm talking
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Sometimes I do sometimes don't
don't have any insider

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perspective.
And somehow that's turned into

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doing it for goodness.
We're on year 14 of doing it.

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So that's pretty much my story.
I haven't coached any.

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So I I try to come at it from
how do I talk about this in a

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way that I can get technical
enough, but a fan will

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understand and I try to stay
away from, Yeah, I know, I know

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you guys have probably done a
little coaching, but there are a

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lot of coaches who think that
they're curing cancer or they,

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they're geniuses and they'll
talk above you or talk over your

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head the whole time.
And the reality is like, dude,

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all you're doing is when you say
all that terminology, you just

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mean taken on a block with your
right shoulder rather than the

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left shoulder.
You can simplify it, make it

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easy.
You don't have to.

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And Coach Self was a big
influence on me because I

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learned more from him probably
my first week of the first set

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of 2A days and Emory than I'd
learned but knew about football

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for my entire life up to that
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So I've always, always tried to
share things the way he did.

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Yeah, I'll go ahead, Brian.
Go ahead, Sal.

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You're good.
I was.

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Just going to say I'm going to
throw something at you.

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This ain't wasn't on a rundown
anything, but just listen to

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your story, how you got started,
and that's pretty cool.

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But I'll ask over your years of
watching Virginia Tech football,

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what's the maddest that you've
been watching the game?

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Like which game was?
I know you can pick any year but

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which?
Product, yeah, I won well I at.

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Least one every year.
I can tell you one because I was

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so emotionally invested in it,
and it wasn't because of what

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happened on the field.
It was the Boise State game.

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And it wasn't that they blew the
lead, although they were.

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I mean, you watched it in
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like Boise sort of had the
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manipulate Bud's defense into
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the ball.
But what drove me nuts, it's

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first down.
Virginia Tech's got the ball in

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the last drive and they hand off
to I think it was Evans and

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there was a fumble and they
recovered it.

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They got like two or three yards
and there are two plays away.

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Get a first down game's probably
over.

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And the fellow Hokies fan base
people around me start chanting

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overrated.
And I just was like, you don't

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as a former player, like you
don't fuck with, don't don't

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tempt you don't do thing.
You don't tempt the gods because

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the gods will strike Thunder
down upon you.

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And sure enough, they didn't get
the first down and Kelvin Moore

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comes down, wins the game.
I've never been so angry.

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Can I ask, can I ask a question
about the third down play

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though?
What is it?

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Third and three, Third and four?
It was not a long short.

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It was not a long play.
Did.

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You did you throw things at
FedEx Field when Brian Stein

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Spring decided to go for a shot
with David Wilson, Darren Evans,

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Ryan Williams and Tyrod Taylor
all in the backfield?

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Because I was up to 3:00 in the
morning talking to my buddy Biff

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in San Diego because we were so
fucking pissed.

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I guess that might have been
Curtis's game too.

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And here's.
The thing I was so seeing red

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because of the chanting, you're
now saying that I didn't even

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remember that they threw deep on
that play.

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I was just, all I could remember
was the, the, the taunting and

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the timing of it and thinking
the karma gods are just going to

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screw us.
I was convinced on 2nd down they

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were losing the game because of
that.

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I'm, I'm weird about that with
momentum.

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And you know, I went from at, at
Emory.

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We didn't lose a home game.
We had won for years before I

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showed up, but we had won
something like 56 straight home

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games.
We believed in winning.

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We had games where we played
like absolute crap and we would

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pull something out we want to
get.

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I think we blocked a field goal
against Washington Nose

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Bridgewater late in the game.
Like, I was sort of bred to

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believe you were going to win.
But my high school program

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wasn't great.
So that kind of creeped back in

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when I became a fan and started
to believe bad things were going

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to happen.
I'm a New York Rangers fan

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hockey and nothing's good has
happened for my team for 30

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years now, So I've sort of got
accustomed to expecting the

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worst.
And there was just something

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about that moment that trigger
like I was I, I stood in my seat

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and start pacing back and forth
in my little 12 inches of space.

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These stupid sons of bitches,
don't they?

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No, don't.
You don't do this.

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You don't do it.
You sound like you had a

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similar.
Winning because you're getting

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laid or you're not getting laid,
then you are.

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Leave it alone.
Don't, don't tempt it.

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Don't push it.
Don't push it.

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Yeah, it sounds like you had a,
you had a similar.

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Chanted all you want, send the
4444 folks back to Idaho.

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That's the first time they'd
ever left, anyway.

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Sounds like you had a similar
high school and college set up

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to me because we lost a lot in
high school and then I got to

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hand in City and that was that
was in the run where Hand in

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Sydney was playing some really
good football early in the Marty

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Fabrett tenure there and.
Yeah, I missed the whole coaches

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because that was a that was a
game where us scrubs always got

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to play like half the game was
playing.

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Oh, yeah.
But Coach Wacker was going nuts

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for that.
God damn it.

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Don't you know what they did
this.

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He had that real bad list.
Yeah.

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See him getting voted into the I
think there's a YouTube video of

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him getting in the Hall of Fame
and he's he's got the list

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going.
And he he would, he would that

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week, boy, he was fired up.
See, been the coach of Hampton

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Sydney.
Exactly.

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He and he was he was out for
blood.

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We were all like this is Patty
cake week.

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This is, you know, we we weren't
worried about it.

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That that was definitely not the
sharpest week of practice when

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oh, I'm sure.
We we had a similar, similar set

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up when we were playing
Guilford.

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I know Guilford kind of turned
it around in the last decade or

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so and kind of came a pretty
good team there, but they were

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really down in the early 2000s.
You know, Bridgewater was kind

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of our our bugaboo when we were
there.

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You know they were.
Coming, Jason.

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What?
Sarah?

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Yeah, coming off.
A stag bowl.

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That game with a field goal?
That was his first game as a

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starter.
Yeah, they were coming off that

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Stag Bowl appearance when I
first got there.

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You know, they were, they were
really good football team.

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And you talk about momentum, we
had a game in O3 when we played

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then we were, I mean,
statistically from the NCAA

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standpoint, we scored the most
points per game across all

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divisions that year.
And they came into into

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FarmVille and Hamilton, Sydney
there.

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And man, we dominated them in
the first half and then like

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left points on the field at the
half and then flipped it.

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And then when when they came out
in the second-half, just

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completely different team.
First they they kicked off to

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us, they kicked it short.
We kind of miss field that they

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jumped on it.
They went down and scored and

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like, it just felt like the
shift in the momentum and we

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just never really got our
footing back.

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And then we got some some tough
calls at the end there that kind

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of went the wrong way.
And you know, that was really

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that was the only loss that
season.

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It was a three-point loss and
everybody felt it and it it kept

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us out of the playoffs.
So it was it was it was it?

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Was Momentum's a weird thing,
man, And it's the things that

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happened.
Like I said, you don't, you

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don't do anything to mess with
it.

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So the the some of the penalty
stuff like it, it's not always

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like the penalties you get or
the mistakes.

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It's when they happen and you
just watching the game and

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there's especially guys that
play, you just feel it like, Oh,

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shit, you get up three scores
and you just go, oh, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, not the not the
time, not the time.

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Oh.
Man, you would probably be like

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us watching a game.
You'd probably be, we could

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probably all force sit in a room
together and watch a game and or

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in the stands and we would have
similar demeanors so.

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Y'all wouldn't have any fun with
me.

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I'm miserable watching.
People would say I look like I'm

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getting ready to have a stroke.
I don't talk.

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I'm like, shouldn't ever bite my
tooth.

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Well, you got to have the, you
got to have the variety because

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I'm loud and I don't care.
Curtis Curtis is animated.

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He's I'm animated.
Sit down.

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Stand up.
Sit down.

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Yeah, I'm up and down.
Tally is tally.

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I guess you.
Tally is Tally leans negative.

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Yeah, I say you lean negative.
The game we watched together.

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And Brian, I don't know what you
are.

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I've watched games.
If you use you, you're to me.

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You're all over the place.
It depends.

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It depends on what I'm seeing,
man.

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Sometimes I can get really into
it.

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Sometimes I'm sitting there and
thinking it through with like,

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what the fuck happened?
We got to fix that.

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And then sometimes I'm like just
like so in my own nerves that

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I'm not really even talking
about anything so.

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The worst is when they're
playing poorly and I know I've

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got to write about it.
So if I say anything nice, then

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I'm going to have people saying
that I'm, you know, I'm, I'm

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just, well, I'm just kissing up
or, you know, I'm, I'm not being

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objective.
And then if I blister everybody

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that I'm treating the kids like
garbage and there's no, there's

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no happy middle ground there.
Yeah, there isn't.

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I try, I try to be honest about
it and I've I've had a lot of

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former players and guys who were
playing at the time would reach

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out to me and say, yeah, pretty
much got that one.

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And some cases didn't.
I'm not going to say who it was,

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but I had a player texted me the
morning of the Purdue game up in

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Lafayette.
That's one of the one of the

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games I travelled to and was
telling me, you know, it's like,

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you know, we're going to we're
going to go after a punt today.

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He was involved in the the pump
block in that game.

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And so we're going to go after
one today.

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Look for this this so well, I
won't reveal who that was, but

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you know, some of the players
will give me some positive

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information.
Other ones I heard are not

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particularly or four players are
not particularly fond of me.

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I can think of a couple of
offensive lineman who don't I've

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heard don't like me very much.
One of them rhymes with Ron T,

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the Richmond guy.
Yeah.

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We, we, we need to talk about
that.

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It's something that we don't
like either.

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They're nice guys.
Most of the most of the former

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players I've met have been
wonderfully nice to me.

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So even even James Gale, who he
and I had a little bit of a

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Twitter spat there after the
Duke game his last year.

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And he came up and asked me when
I was going to find some frozen

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fish at the grocery store
because that's all I've ever

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held up in my pictures.
So even he was aces, you know,

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he was great.
Awesome.

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All right, well, let's get into
it.

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We've been talking 20 minutes
already, but we're going to go

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in tonight.
Sam Siski's defense, French is

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currently working on an article
for the key play about some

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breakdowns on the defense.
I know you said it's going to be

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a 2 parter, which we definitely
look forward to reading.

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Obviously with the key play, we
like reading their stuff, not

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only for French but Shelton,
who's usually a part of us.

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But Shelton is completely it
immersed right now doing work.

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So we're not sports, spring
sports with that young.

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Man, that's going around, man.
Yeah, it is.

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But let's get into it French.
And the first thing I wanted to

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kind of break with you is let's
talk about position of what

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we're going to see from this new
defense.

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I want to start with the D line,
if there's certain position

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names or techniques.
But with Sam Siski's defense,

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with what you've seen on tape
studying, what are we seeing for

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defensive line?
First things first, it's going

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to be 3 down lineman most of the
time.

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You're going to see true nose,
you're going to see 2.

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I believe the new what's called
in house 4, I would call it head

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up over both of the offensive
tackles.

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You're going to see 2 edge
players.

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You can call them linebackers,
you can call them that.

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I've heard a Jack and spur used
as terminology, but it's a

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boundary side outside linebacker
and a field side outside

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linebacker.
Most of the time they're going

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to be walked up to fly
scrimmage.

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If the guy's backed off, it's
going to be usually the field

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side guy because he's kind of
lining up like a sort of like

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the star does.
But sometimes he's splitting the

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difference between slot receiver
and the edge and you're going to

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depending on situationally.
When Syphcus, I hope I'm saying

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that correctly, was at Watford
Wofford, it was a true 3-4.

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So there were two inside
linebackers.

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The Cardinals, when he was
there, shifted to the three high

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safety look, which I'm sure
we're going to talk about a lot,

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which meant one linebacker
coming off the field.

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It was usually an inside backer.
He does.

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They did show a little bit of
nickel where the only time the

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nose would come off the field,
they go to two, you know, like a

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three and a three and A5
technique or two head up

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defensive tackles and still
having those two edge guys

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lining up, you know, standing
up, but like defensive ends and

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then two backers.
But for the most part, it looked

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like they were, you know, their
base was going to at Arizona was

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going to be the three down to
edge and one inside backer and

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someone we're familiar with
because they're white who's at

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West Virginia just a couple of
years ago.

446
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,560
In terms of technique stuff, the
whole idea behind the defence,

447
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,040
it really is to make the second
and third level defenders shine.

448
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,440
And so the interior guys really
are trying to eat up blocks.

449
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,000
I think that the hardest
position to play is if you're on

450
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,920
the backside of a zone and
you're the four technique the

451
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,120
the head up on the backside of a
play.

452
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,840
You want to keep the blockers
from getting to the second level

453
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,040
while at the same time not
getting washed inside and

454
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,280
creating a cut back lane.
And that's not easy to do.

455
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040
I think that was the weakness of
Arizona's defense is that

456
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,840
backside 4 would get washed
inside and then the edge guys

457
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800
weren't really in position to
make plays.

458
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,440
Your edge guys, they have to be
have positional flexibility.

459
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,040
You want them to be really good
pass rushers.

460
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,240
Arizona didn't really have that.
They went out and got Mac Wilson

461
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,120
who had a history of being a
serviceable, you know, more of a

462
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,840
one-dimensional pass rush
oriented linebacker.

463
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,840
But the key with the edge guys,
they can are usually going to

464
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,720
force bring back techniques from
the Bud Foster defense.

465
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,440
They're going to force, which
means taking on blocks with

466
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,640
inside shoulder and keeping
outside leverage.

467
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600
So the back has to turn back to
the inside most of the time.

468
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,880
And on the backside of plays,
you'll have situations where

469
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,800
sometimes they're going to crash
inside and the safety is going

470
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,320
to come up and become the
contain guy.

471
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Sometimes they can slow play,
sometimes they can be flat

472
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280
defenders.
Either way, it makes it really

473
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,560
hard on the quarterback because
no matter where you run the

474
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,800
ball, the offensive line doesn't
really know where the edge what

475
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,840
who's setting the edge on the
defense.

476
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,280
It's not always going to be
those outside linebackers now,

477
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,400
traditionally, I'm sure, But the
next question y'all are going to

478
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,640
ask me is, well, if they're
going to run 3-4, are they going

479
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,720
to have the defensive lineman
that they've got?

480
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Are they going to be eating up
double teams?

481
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,200
And you know, big guys, what you
think about when you think about

482
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,440
3-4 And at least at Arizona,
they didn't really do that.

483
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,800
They would, sometimes they would
bring 5 up front and those

484
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520
tackles are sort of pinching and
condensing the field.

485
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Old Dominion did that a lot
against the Hokies the last

486
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,000
couple years where they would
try to jam everything up and

487
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320
inside and then bring up the
safeties to make the tackles.

488
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,360
Other times they'll slant and if
let's say they're slanting to

489
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,120
the boundary, that boundary Jack
linebacker will bounce off, come

490
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,960
back up and go into the flat.
And then it's the role of the

491
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,960
four technique is to get to that
edge and become either a spill

492
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,280
or a force guy.
So when I look at the Virginia

493
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,760
Tech personnel nose is
challenging.

494
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,320
I'm assuming that Gilliam and
Copeland, because they're sort

495
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,040
of the biggest, biggest guys
with the strongest base, are

496
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,040
probably going to be in that
nose roll.

497
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Are they good fits for it?
I don't know.

498
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560
I'm thinking that's why they
brought in the priest or kid

499
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680
from Hampton.
That's huge.

500
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,280
And if he can play, you know, if
he can play on that level,

501
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,920
perhaps he may be a long term
option for that position.

502
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,160
But I I really don't see fits
elsewhere.

503
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,760
And then you look at those 24
techniques.

504
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,560
You know, Emmett Laws is an
undersized guy.

505
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,200
He's pretty quick.
He looked good in the bowl game,

506
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
but we know he's got quick
twitch and can you move

507
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,360
laterally.
So he makes sense for that role.

508
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,800
The Arias Nash from Mercer, who
if you all want to see him look

509
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640
up YouTube Alabama versus
Mercer.

510
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
You can see him against some of
the best of the country and he

511
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,600
acquits himself pretty well,
especially given how completely

512
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,560
outmatched his teammates are.
But he's also quick, undersized,

513
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,640
you know, 35 technique guy who
can, you know, penetrate and he

514
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,280
was the best pass rusher from
the defensive tackle spot in all

515
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,720
of FCS.
So he kind of fits that role.

516
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,280
I wouldn't be surprised if
Burgos play some inside as as

517
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,880
odd of as that may sound, a guy
playing, you know, started at

518
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,520
defensive end for the better
part of the last two years.

519
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,800
But I could see him being either
inside or out.

520
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,520
He he could be, you know, more
of a run oriented edge guy, but

521
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,160
you could also play in that
role.

522
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,160
And Stevens is a big kid.
He could be in that role.

523
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,240
And then you've got the young
guys.

524
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,440
We don't really, you know, hand
Chuck.

525
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,280
We don't know anything about
Johnson.

526
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,840
What little I've seen of them.
He probably would fit, although

527
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,240
if he grows a lot more, maybe he
could be the nose.

528
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,280
But there's not, you know, I, I
think from the four techniques,

529
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,800
I think they've got some
inexperience guys.

530
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
You don't know how they're going
to hold up over the course of

531
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400
season against top and talent.
But they have the skill set.

532
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
The clay is there.
They can be successful nose.

533
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,720
You know, I mean, Gilliam left
Oklahoma so he didn't have to

534
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,880
eat up lockers for the
linebackers and safeties to be

535
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,320
stars.
And now that he's going to be

536
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,200
asked to do that again, if he's
in that position, Copeland, I

537
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,800
mean, we don't really know in
hell of a weight lifter.

538
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Do we really know what he is?
I know that there was a lot of

539
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,680
hype around him last spring, but
what I saw of him in the spring

540
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,960
game, I was kind of he wasn't.
I didn't think he was

541
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,240
particularly disruptive.
And then, you know, there's a

542
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
bounce and he gets the
interception and everyone's.

543
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,960
But in terms of every snap, he
didn't blow my socks off.

544
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
And so where did where do those
other bodies come from?

545
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,960
And then so you move out to the
edge and that that's pictures a

546
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,920
little more clear.
Ben Bell is a hellacious pass

547
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,040
rusher and he's perfectly suited
to line up out wide where he

548
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,720
doesn't have to have a lot of
other responsibilities.

549
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560
He's not someone who's real
accustomed to spilling the ball,

550
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,640
so being in position to turn
everything back to the inside

551
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,240
makes sense.
And you know, he for the role, I

552
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,440
mean, he's, you know, Bryce Pop,
Ricky Jackson.

553
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,560
I'm I'm I'm showing my age here
with some of these names.

554
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,600
Kevin Green type of outside
linebacker is really

555
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,240
one-dimensional.
Fred Dean, if you want to go way

556
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,840
back.
You know, those guys that

557
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,040
they're not really Charles
Haley, they're not really a,

558
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,920
they're not really a defense or
they're not really a linebacker,

559
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,040
but they're kind of standing out
like a defensive end and they're

560
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,000
just coming every time.
So he makes sense.

561
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Everyone has told me that they
brought in, I'm going to

562
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Butcher's name.
Is it Jackman or Jackman?

563
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760
James Jackman?
That was a middle linebacker in

564
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Eastern Michigan, and he looked
good.

565
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,520
I mean, he couldn't cover a pass
worth of squat, but he's a heck

566
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040
of a run defender.
But everyone said he's been

567
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280
brought into play edge.
So I assume that's where he's

568
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,400
going to be, too, because he's
again, the other, the field guy

569
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,720
has to be a little more adept at
dropping into coverage and

570
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080
playing in space.
So I assume those are the two

571
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,760
guys at the boundary, which
again, brings me back to Burgos.

572
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,480
You know, is Burgos going to be
the third string guy or are they

573
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,480
going to find another way to get
him on the field?

574
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,600
And I'm assuming he's probably
going to be he'd probably be the

575
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,200
four tech and I would assume on
the field side in that way when

576
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,280
they're calling pressures where
the the field side linebackers

577
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,160
backing out into the flat, he
can move out and become the edge

578
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
guy.
And like I said, I wouldn't be

579
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,920
surprised if Stevens I got some
run at 4 technique or the edge

580
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,120
spot, but you know, he doesn't
look like he's a guy who's going

581
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,080
to play in space as well.
I think Jason Abbie could be the

582
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,480
sleeper guy if they hadn't
brought in, if they hadn't

583
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,000
brought in two guys with good
pass rushing credentials and

584
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Bell in particular, I could have
seen Abby standing out there.

585
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Why?
Because where he's a smaller

586
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680
guy, I think he's got some
twitch.

587
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,280
I I I watch him on tape and I
never hear anybody talking about

588
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,480
him.
I go that guy can play a little

589
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360
bit and when he's played, he's
been productive against pass

590
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000
rush and I, you know, run runs
got work.

591
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,120
But if you're lining up like as
a nine tech way out wide, well,

592
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,639
you don't have to worry about
that as much.

593
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,480
That's not in position to be
blocked.

594
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480
So at the front, I'll pause.
I've probably talked too long.

595
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040
I'll let you all ask questions
and I can talk about the second

596
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,040
level guys.
Well, you're good there, though.

597
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,960
That was that was good
information and I appreciate you

598
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,159
going into that.
You know, you you brought up

599
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,960
Stevens there, you brought up
Abby as being kind of guys that

600
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,120
may you, you could you might
could see him in the edge.

601
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,880
You might could see him at that
4 technique.

602
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,320
Let's let's talk about the the
guys with that with their hand

603
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,800
in the dirt.
Is this going to be kind of a

604
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,760
more of a true to gap or is it
going to be some sort of hybrid

605
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,920
approach?
It's it's one gap, but the idea

606
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
is to create the jam through
movement.

607
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,040
OK, at least that's what Arizona
did.

608
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,400
So it's it's very similar to
what Bud did.

609
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,560
If you're, you're slanting to
the boundary, the idea is to get

610
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,800
to the gap and if you get a a
hat on you, then you got to jam

611
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,320
it up at that point if it it,
but you've got to be twitchy

612
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,280
enough that if you get through
the gap, go make a play.

613
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,040
Arizona didn't really do that.
And this is where and you guys

614
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,120
and I talked before we got on
the air.

615
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Personnel wise, I think, you
know, it might be long term that

616
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,120
they do want to get to the point
where they do 2 gaps.

617
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,320
But at Arizona they didn't have
that personnel.

618
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,960
And that's how they made-up for
is move, slow down the blocking

619
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,760
scheme, get into position and
try to eat guys up.

620
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,760
Because it's definitely when you
watch Arizona Cardinals film,

621
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,840
you're not seeing anybody on the
front line that's making a huge

622
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,200
number of plays.
It's it's really is more making

623
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,040
sure they're spilling, spilling
or forcing the ball above a

624
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Baker.
And and but I might, I might go

625
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,360
on record now say I think Ben
Bell might be a better pass

626
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,680
rusher than anybody who's on the
Arizona Cardinals roster From

627
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,560
from what I saw, they just did
not have they didn't have a lot

628
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,320
of, you know, real burst twitchy
guys coming off the edge.

629
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,720
That was probably the best
bunch.

630
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,680
I don't think anybody consider
him a top 20 pass rusher in the

631
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,840
NFL.
So, you know, I think there's

632
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:29,240
going to be some painful moments
and I'm hopeful that I'm wrong.

633
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,720
I'm really excited to see how
they allocate those those kids

634
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,920
during the spring and we'll see
if they can hold up to it.

635
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,200
But it's it's going to be a
challenge this first time in 40

636
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,360
years.
They've had a different

637
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,800
philosophy and I know Justin
Hamilton's was a little

638
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,040
different, but I mean, it's all
what it's been 1 gap for me in

639
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,360
front for as long as I've been a
fan.

640
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,000
So you know, I'm I'm really
learning to all the geometry is

641
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,400
probably going to change where I
watch buds defense enough where

642
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,800
you could sort of see, oh,
that's where that's why the

643
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,240
safeties look good when things
are right and bad when it's

644
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,440
wrong.
It's everything's designed.

645
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
They don't have to think they
know exactly where the runner is

646
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,640
going to have to go and, you
know, make it easy.

647
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,800
And I'm learning a new geometry
now, so all.

648
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Right, Kelly, you, you moved up
like you had a question.

649
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Oh no, I'm just paying
attention, all right?

650
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,160
I'm going to throw this back.
I'm going to throw this back in

651
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,240
here real quick.
This is obviously a hypothetical

652
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,960
here, but would would Kelly
Lawson have made a good jacker

653
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,080
spur in this system in European?
Good athlete he probably would

654
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,880
have played and again, I don't
know Jack Spur, it's Jack is

655
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,960
boundary.
I know at East Carolina when

656
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560
they use Jack, Jack was the
boundary linebacker and Spur,

657
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Spur was the field or some other
term.

658
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,400
I think he would have been field
side.

659
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160
I always said he I thought he
would have been a good star whip

660
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,080
use that role, you know, but he
he's he's gone.

661
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,600
I mean, at this point I'm not
I'm not going to I wish him best

662
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,760
of luck.
Sharando kid from from

663
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,880
Winchester area, but he's not
around anymore.

664
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,880
So I've got figure out with what
they've got who who fits.

665
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,800
And it's an interesting
question.

666
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Fieldside linebacker.
That's one of my two biggest

667
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,240
question marks.
I do not know on the roster who

668
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,040
fits that spot.
I'm assuming Woodson's going to

669
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,600
be the Mike playing right in the
middle stat, you know, stacked

670
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,840
up behind the nose for that
field side linebacker.

671
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,680
They're supposed to be a pass
rush type.

672
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,560
So can Jockman do that while the
same time get out to the flat

673
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,400
and sort of bumping a a slot
receiver?

674
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120
I I don't know.
And and, you know, I don't see,

675
00:38:55,240 --> 00:39:01,920
you know, the, you know, I don't
see Bristol TN's finest in, in

676
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,760
that Keller in that role.
You know, Gabe's not going to be

677
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,440
healthy.
Clatter ball is going to be a

678
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,520
mic right in the middle.
Yeah.

679
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760
I have no earthly idea how
they're going to play that spot

680
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920
in the in the NFL.
That's where Wilson played.

681
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,840
He was 63245.
You know, I'm, I'm struggling to

682
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,600
see where the fit is at that
fieldside linebacker spot.

683
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Or for those of us, for people
who know the old terminology,

684
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,240
what would have been the star,
You know, similar alignment on

685
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,320
the field, but it's going to
have to be a bigger, more run

686
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,040
sound guy because they're going
to be playing with a six man box

687
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960
most of the time.
Well, Joplin's got the body pack

688
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,320
you just mentioned he is that.
Yeah, yeah, Joplin's in that

689
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
role and he can get to the flat
then.

690
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,560
You know, I don't think he came
to Virginia Tech to be a backup.

691
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:56,480
So I in my article I wrote that
I suspect he will start, but I

692
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,000
don't know.
Again, I don't know him and Mike

693
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120
in coverage.
Was like sort of like watching a

694
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,040
bigger version of Bromfeld in
coverage.

695
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,640
It was kind of painful to watch,
but him as a run defender he was

696
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,880
and he knocked your Dick in the
dirt.

697
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,000
He was productive.
There we go.

698
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:19,960
He he he could he could he could
play and I I I said all and you

699
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,200
all may have seen I was on a
tally.

700
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,840
I think I was on your right
after the hire was announced on

701
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,320
Twitter, your chat and when I
was on with Pete over at 2, DI

702
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,080
said I, I, I mean, other people
were saying he's brought to be

703
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,200
an edge guy.
I blame it.

704
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,280
Mike and I put Woodson at that
field linebacker and see if it

705
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,520
works.
But I I don't, you know, I have

706
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,880
the rumbles I've heard say
that's not the plan.

707
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,040
So.
What about bass because it's on

708
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,520
screen?
You already addressed Keller

709
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,880
Woodson.
What about bass?

710
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,960
I I know very little about bass.
I want to see the, you know, the

711
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,880
legal issue he's got to clean up
and see how that impacts his.

712
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,240
I know he's also coming off an
injury and didn't play a lot.

713
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,440
He, he, he would probably be the
one that body type wise and

714
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,760
skill set wise would make the
most sense.

715
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,200
But I, you know, I, I sort of
want to see that he's being an

716
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,440
active participant and is giving
him being given some time before

717
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,800
I get a good feeling, you know,
same thing.

718
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,000
I wouldn't say that clatter ball
is going to play right away.

719
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,800
And I've seen some people on on
people on message board say, you

720
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,760
know, oh, platter ball is going
to step right in.

721
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Oh no, he's not.
If you never expect a freshman

722
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
to play as a true freshman, you
will never be disabled.

723
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,880
That's very good.
Let's go to the back end because

724
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,720
let's talk about with the corn.
I want to start with the corners

725
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,920
because I feel like that might
be the least changed or.

726
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,320
You're you're dead on.
I don't think that, you know, I

727
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,480
think that Pry inherently wants
to play zone and one of the

728
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,840
advantages of the free high
safeties as you can disguise

729
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,440
really well the middle of the
field.

730
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,360
And you know, I talked about
this at length in my articles.

731
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,960
I don't know if it was coaching
or whatever, but the Hokies,

732
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,160
last year's free safeties, you
know, lining up 20 yards deep

733
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,640
and then dropping another 15
yards where there's no receiver

734
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
threatening their cushion and
just creating a big doughnut

735
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,360
hole in the middle of the field.
I never understood why it kept

736
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,880
happening.
I I, I don't know if it was a

737
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,680
coaching philosophy or it was
just poor instincts from MO's

738
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Phillips and to a lesser extent
Jones and Reddish.

739
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
I you know, I thought they did a
little bit better job and in

740
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,840
that situation, but I think that
the pry wants to run side.

741
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,080
He did a lot of zone blitzing at
Penn State and this gives them a

742
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,640
little better disguise because
they were predictable in their

743
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,160
zone blitzing next year.
Also, you know, I I know Lovettt

744
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:04,080
looked really good in the bowl
game, but, you know, asking him

745
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,320
to be locked down, man, the old
style, you know, boundary

746
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,800
corners going to be on an island
the whole game.

747
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,680
You know, I I don't know if
that's that's something that

748
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,360
probably wants to continue
doing.

749
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,920
I think it's just been a
necessity the last few years or

750
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
how much they struggled to to
cover in the middle of the

751
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,640
fields.
They had to rely on their

752
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520
corners.
But but I'm assuming love, it's

753
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,480
going to be the starter and then
it's up between Brown Murray

754
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,000
from the transfer from East
Carolina and Thomas Williams.

755
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,040
I'll tell you my sleeper guy, I
love Josh Clark's tape from the

756
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,760
spring game last year.
I thought that kids going to

757
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,200
find a way to get on the field
and unfortunately he didn't tell

758
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,880
the bowl, but he wasn't needed
to.

759
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,160
I wouldn't be the least bit
shocked if halfway through

760
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,800
spring ball we're hearing that
he is taking the position and

761
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,720
owning it.
And then Brown, Murray or

762
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,720
Williams are contending to be
the nickel that will come in and

763
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:12,000
replace the field side edge guy
as a true nickel in those

764
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,240
situations or maybe as a third
safety in and those situations

765
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,640
try to match on a receiver.
So so I I don't think you're

766
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,360
going to see, I think the guys
who you expect to play are

767
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,960
probably going to play at
corner.

768
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,760
And Clark is kind of the the guy
that I'm looking at that

769
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,360
someone's going to take a big
step forward and and be a legit

770
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,000
a legit second option behind
Lovett.

771
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,960
That's the guy I'm looking to to
really grab Brown.

772
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Murray's film was OK, but it
didn't, yeah, it it didn't blow

773
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,760
me away.
He looks like he's going to be a

774
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,560
solid, serviceable guy, so.
Yeah.

775
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,040
Or it's got more upside to get
past him.

776
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Yeah, let me ask you a question.
Just this doesn't really have to

777
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,600
do with any kind of scheme.
It's more to do with skill

778
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,280
because sometimes it just
matters about how much talent

779
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,760
you have to put on the field.
When you look at what the

780
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,120
coaches have brought in,
throwing skill, I mean throwing

781
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,520
scheme out of the way, do you
feel like on defense that we

782
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,480
have, I don't want to say we're
more talented.

783
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,760
Do you feel like we have more
pieces to work with this year

784
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,960
than we did last year, or do you
feel like last year's team had

785
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,200
more defensive talent as a
whole?

786
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,400
So that I'm going to cheat my
way out of this answer.

787
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,040
I do not think that they have a
two players the caliber of the

788
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Neus Peebles or Antoine Power
Island upfront and especially

789
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Peebles.
I've been very vocal on Twitter,

790
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:54,000
best defensive lineman
potentially that they've had

791
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,040
since settle and maybe going
back to defensive tackle going

792
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240
back to Bruce Smith.
He was unbelievable this year

793
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,560
and I don't know that because it
didn't always manifest itself as

794
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,600
he was the one getting sacks.
I don't think people realized

795
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,480
how good he was.
He was.

796
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,080
They went when teams double
teamed him and created space for

797
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,440
Power Island out some of his
best games.

798
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,320
And when he didn't get doubled,
he was absolutely decimating

799
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,080
folks on the inside.
I think that those are are tough

800
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,360
replacements.
So I'll go to the second part.

801
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:39,320
They had egregious, horrific
holes, especially in the middle

802
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,280
of the field and safety and Mike
linebacker and and even, you

803
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,280
know, I like Caleb Woodson, but
he had moments where he really

804
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,760
struggled and the other guys
that were coming in to to give

805
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,760
him rest at times really
struggled.

806
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Those holes were so bad that
they offset a lot of the good

807
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,360
that the defensive line was
doing.

808
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,560
So bringing in, you know,
hopefully Woodson, a year older,

809
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,520
addresses that issue somewhat.
And also being less reliant on

810
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
the linebackers to make plays
because one thing about this

811
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,360
defense, the Mike, you know, can
make plays.

812
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
White made a lot of tackles.
He just didn't look particularly

813
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,040
overwhelming on film for
Arizona, but you're not as

814
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,160
relying on them to be a a
someone who can eat up gaps and

815
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,280
still make plays like Bud's
defense required him to do.

816
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,320
So this the question you they
brought in four safeties and you

817
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,200
still got Quentin red issues
very highly touted and I think

818
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,880
has a ton of upside.
So looking at the three safety

819
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,960
alignment, generally you're
going to see those safeties line

820
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,680
up about 10 yards deep.
You don't know who's the one.

821
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,680
One or two will come in and run
support late, but they they

822
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,040
won't show it early if they're
doing it right.

823
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,240
So the offense doesn't really
know where that that Allen

824
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,840
player is coming from.
Most of the time it's going to

825
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,480
be the middle safety.
And so when you're looking at

826
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480
skill sets, you want your two
outside safeties to have some

827
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,760
flexibility of guys playing on
the hash, but they have to be

828
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:26,360
able to play deep half match to
deep half turn and run with deep

829
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,480
receivers because they're going
to be playing zone with those

830
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,760
corners.
And so they brought in you look

831
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
at, I think Reddish is a fit for
the deep half.

832
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,800
I don't think he's playing the
middle safety Superman type of

833
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,160
role.
So I think he's probably won

834
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Coville.
My my friends who are around

835
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,480
Clemson football said one of the
reasons that he left was he

836
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,280
didn't want to play around the
line of scrimmage.

837
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,760
When he did get a little bit of
playing time this past year, he

838
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,360
was used kind of like a nickel
or like a star in our defensive

839
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,400
lexicon.
And my understanding is he

840
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,000
wasn't real happy about it,
though he looked.

841
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,360
He played a lot in that role
against Appalachian State.

842
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,640
I thought he looked pretty good
in it.

843
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,160
But if that's not what he wants
to do, then he's probably a

844
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,880
candidate for the deep half.
Tyson Flowers.

845
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Sorry to Tyson and his family if
they're watching.

846
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,120
I think he's garbage.
I wish they hadn't brought him

847
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,160
in.
I watched a lot of Rice film and

848
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,360
that secondary was as bad.
You think our secondary look

849
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,320
bad?
They look like they didn't have

850
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,280
a clue what they were doing.
So I'm I wouldn't expect a whole

851
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,640
lot out of flowers.
The guys I'm looking at for that

852
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Superman role are Christian
Ellis from New Mexico and Isaiah

853
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Cash.
They both have their strengths

854
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,240
and weaknesses.
Cash is as good a form tackler

855
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,720
as I have seen on film and doing
this for 14 years.

856
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Every time he makes a tackle,
he's around the ball.

857
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:05,840
Guy goes down, arms wrapped.
Even if he's diving at their

858
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640
legs, you're seeing the arms
come up, up above his head,

859
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000
round the hips.
It is beautiful.

860
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:19,240
But does he have the size 5-10,
maybe 6 foot two O 5?

861
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,800
And he doesn't have blistering
speed.

862
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,640
And you watch Bubba Baker,
Buddha Baker, who was used in

863
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,280
that role in Arizona.
He was a fantastic tackler,

864
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,040
great instincts, all the good
things that I like, but looked

865
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,480
like a rocket ship coming up the
line of scrimmage.

866
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,920
When you all see the film
review, I'm going to call it out

867
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,360
like he's beating it.
He's running twice the distance

868
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,200
as the Mike linebacker.
Both are unblocked and he's

869
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,000
beating Mike linebacker to the
ball.

870
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,640
So Cash, is he that level of
athlete?

871
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,280
No, but he's going to be a
reliable tackler, which is

872
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,200
welcome in middle field.
What about?

873
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,120
Ellis is more of a volume guy.
He he's a hitter, not as

874
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,800
necessarily as good a tackler.
I thought he was going to play

875
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,000
the star when I didn't realize
that Tech was going to be

876
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,600
changing defensive schemes.
I thought they were bringing in

877
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Ellis to play the star.
He's got a little bit more long

878
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,320
speed, little bit bigger body.
So so I think that those are two

879
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,080
guys and then who knows, you
know, maybe, maybe Reddish would

880
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,880
thrive in that role.
I don't know.

881
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,080
But with his with his range and
with the very limited use of him

882
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,240
in a tackling role last year
since they had him 30 yards from

883
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:39,360
the honest image half the time.
I, you know, I don't know.

884
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:47,640
But long term, the kid from the
kid from Virginia incoming

885
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,520
freshman Robinson and I'm brain
cramping on his first name.

886
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,680
Is it Sheldon Robinson?
Sheldon Robinson.

887
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,560
Sheldon Robinson.
Yeah, Sheldon Robinson from.

888
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,560
Woodbury no.
Sherrod Henderson and Sheldon

889
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,280
Robinson.
I get their names confused but

890
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,480
Sherrod is a defensive man.
Sheldon Robinson watching his

891
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,480
film he had he plays around the
line of scrimmage.

892
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,720
He has the ability to turn and
run with distance and range.

893
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,160
I think long term this defense
was made for him to be a star.

894
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,520
It may not happen year 1 and
that may not buy time for pry to

895
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,520
get to when he's going to
physically mature and who knows.

896
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,040
I mean, again, my freshman rule,
but Brandon face on was ready to

897
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040
play right away.
So you know, maybe maybe he's

898
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,320
that guy.
But I really, really liked his

899
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,200
film.
He had range, he hits, he

900
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600
tackles, he plays the ball in
the air.

901
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,920
You know, I, I don't know about
the level of competition he was

902
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,280
playing, but he ripped the party
and for what is expected in that

903
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,080
role, well, I, I should probably
get into that.

904
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,840
So the entire defence is
predicated.

905
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,720
Those edge guys set the edge one
way or the other and that middle

906
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,960
safety, not most of the time is
going to be the one up around

907
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,920
the line of scrimmage.
And the idea is all those

908
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,640
interior guys are keeping him
clean, to a lesser extent

909
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,280
keeping the mic clean, but
especially keeping him clean.

910
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,680
And you've got to have a guy who
we're the biggest difference in

911
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,280
Bud's defense, safeties were
playing half the field, your

912
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,680
alley defenders only playing the
alley to one side and you've got

913
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,440
someone else responsible on the
other side.

914
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,920
And this defense in base and
most of the unless they're

915
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,480
bringing a specific pressure
that alley defenders got to

916
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,440
cover both sides of the field.
So they have to read the play

917
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,040
quickly.
They've got to react.

918
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,760
They got to be up in the up in
the alley and they got to put

919
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,760
people down because you know,
generally the other safeties are

920
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,400
going to be dropping back into
coverage.

921
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:59,120
So where I'm struggling right
now and Robinson's not ready or,

922
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,080
or assuming he's not ready,
who's the fit?

923
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,120
Is that what?
Is that what I said I was going

924
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,880
to ask you later?
Is that what gives you pause

925
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,200
right now based on everything?
That's what gives me the biggest

926
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,800
pauses.
This defense is predicated on

927
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,040
that middle safety being an
absolute superstar.

928
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,800
Ohio State did it with four down
lineman in the three high

929
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,760
safeties win the national
championship.

930
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,280
And we've heard rumors that
their defensive coordinator was

931
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,880
the guy I probably wanted and
that they were working on trying

932
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,000
to bring him in before all of a
sudden he elevated his worth

933
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,200
with the national championship
run.

934
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,240
Who do you have it?
Middle safety Caleb Downs.

935
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,440
Caleb Downs is a badass.
You know who's the badass?

936
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Like, who in Hokey's history
would fit that role?

937
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,400
You're telling me?
Maybe, maybe.

938
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Maybe.
Maybe.

939
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:52,880
Jarrett.
Kyle.

940
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,840
Jarrett.
Hi, Sean.

941
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,440
I'm sorry, Not Kyle.
Kyle Fuller.

942
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,960
Wow.
And, and right now, right now,

943
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,960
any Hokies fans are watching or
ready to throw rocks at me for

944
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,640
that snafu.
Not on this program.

945
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,080
They screwed up all the time on
this.

946
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,440
Program maybe Jimmy Williams,
you know, but but there haven't

947
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440
been a lot of guy you know
Chancellor if he had been used

948
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,760
that way, you know, possibly
people forget Cam Chancellor

949
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,280
really really struggled in
Blacksburg.

950
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,880
He was a much better pro than he
was a college player, but.

951
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,720
He never found his fit until he
he never found his fit until he

952
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,800
got to the boon where they put
him at strong because we tried

953
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,800
him What corner free.
Free.

954
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,280
And then finally, Pete.
Pete decides, wait a second,

955
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,960
he's 64, he's 2:30 and he can
run a 445.

956
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,880
Put him at strong and let him
annihilate and running running

957
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,040
backs and tight ends.
And I.

958
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,720
So maybe he would have.
Been the game about him all the

959
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,560
time and then he became a big
time pro and oh, I love Cam

960
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,800
Chancellor, he was great.
I heard the grumbling.

961
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,640
I know I got receipts on some of
y'all out there, but yeah, who

962
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,240
who is that guy?
I would encourage every single

963
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,720
Virginia Tech fan.
You want to see what the middle

964
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,760
safety is supposed to look like?
Go find Buddha Buddha Baker

965
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,240
highlights from last five or six
games last year for the Arizona

966
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,640
Cardinals and watch that.
And then think to yourself, man,

967
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,560
when was the last time a hokey
defensive back looked like that?

968
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,400
I don't know.
We got we got a Miami fan

969
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,760
throwing a good name out there
too for for this.

970
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,440
Oh, macho.
Yeah.

971
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Oh, he was a corner.
God bless him.

972
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,120
He was a corner, but I think.
Just a good corner.

973
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,640
The the the way he played
though, I think he could have

974
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,600
maybe had a fit here.
But Brandon Flowers, Brandon

975
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,200
Flowers hit the way Voodoo Baker
does.

976
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,080
I don't know if he ever could
have run, run the way Buddha

977
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,440
Baker.
Just my God, like I watching

978
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,320
that was like watching Aaron
Donald in college and going

979
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,920
people are sleeping and this is
the best defensive lineman I've

980
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,520
seen doing this.
And then he got to the NFL and

981
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,800
all of a sudden he was a huge
star.

982
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,920
And I'm like, see, I wasn't just
making up.

983
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,080
Just because we were beating
Pitt back then doesn't mean he

984
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,240
wasn't killing guys on the
inside.

985
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,600
So let me, let me let me ask
this question.

986
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Why ain't even a question.
I'm going to make a statement.

987
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,760
My hokey fandom and my sanity
relies on Virginia Tech having

988
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Buddha Baker to play on defense
next year.

989
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,800
Yeah, I'm a I'm a little antsy.
I'm not watching a fucking game.

990
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,280
What's the use?
What?

991
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,840
What did we do with?
Like I said, maybe may.

992
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,400
So I'll, I'll, I'll put on my
positivity hat, not not my

993
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:56,200
strong suit, but like I said,
the cash kids, I, I, if I had to

994
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,760
pick my favorite, I think cash
is going to end up being the

995
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,120
guy.
I just he, he's such a good

996
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,760
tackler and he's reliable and
maybe he doesn't have the

997
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,720
explosiveness, but I mean,
they're going to be a lot of

998
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,240
growing pains.
This is going to be new for

999
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,440
everybody who's returning.
It's it's going to be a

1000
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,840
different a ball and wax.
I think some of the transfer

1001
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,440
guys might end up being more
comfortable in the scheme than

1002
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,320
than the returns.
Nothing like carpet.

1003
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,560
At one thing, Yeah.
Well, one thing when Fritch said

1004
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,560
is, you know, this may not buy
prior time.

1005
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,720
I'm going to go ahead and let
everybody know is watching this,

1006
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,560
that or that, may watch it
tomorrow or the next day.

1007
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,560
Crockett lose every game.
He ain't going nowhere.

1008
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,520
They're not going to fire him.
He just bought himself probably

1009
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,920
three more years by not having
an offensive line, an offensive

1010
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,000
coordinator or defensive
coordinator, so.

1011
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,320
The worst offensive line I have
ever seen.

1012
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,480
Get it out of your head if
you're the heck of going.

1013
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,200
Somewhere the last three.
Weeks don't even get me started

1014
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,040
on don't even get me started on
offense and offensive

1015
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,480
coordinated and offensive line
we.

1016
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,360
If y'all want to spend an hour
listening to me RIP the

1017
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,840
offensive line from last year,
I'm happy to do.

1018
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,240
It was bad.
I watched Squad of Nick Marshall

1019
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,840
and it was bad.
And our offensive coordinator

1020
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,400
went to be an offensive line
coach.

1021
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,400
It's crazy.
Crazy.

1022
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,880
All right, well, let's get to
it.

1023
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Let's get to it because I mean,
what I've liked that's happened

1024
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,960
the last about 40 minutes.
Here is Frank, we were going,

1025
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,040
you did it perfectly, man.
You brought players, you brought

1026
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,400
ideas.
But let's get up some of these

1027
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,280
screenshots that you have and
let's explain that because,

1028
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,080
because right now you've got my
head thinking of all right,

1029
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,440
here's 0, here's 4 techs, here's
a guy's on the edge, there's

1030
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,480
your mic.
I mean, I, I'm picturing that

1031
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,720
obviously in a month actually.
Is it a month from today?

1032
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,400
What from today?
Is it the 14th or the 12th I

1033
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,000
can?
It is the 12th, so exactly a

1034
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,200
month for the day.
A month, yeah.

1035
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,560
So we'll be seeing it here.
We.

1036
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,120
Go.
OK, well, so this is starting

1037
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,080
out.
So as you all know, Cephkis was

1038
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,720
the defensive coordinator at at
Wofford.

1039
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,400
This is a look at when he didn't
use an odd front.

1040
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,080
This is their nickel when
they're running at Wofford.

1041
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,400
And this is one of those
situations where, again, it's

1042
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,800
going to look more like the
traditional Virginia Tech

1043
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,960
defense with the difference
being that both of the edge

1044
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,640
guys, those are the outside
linebackers that are standing

1045
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,440
up.
This is going to be, you know,

1046
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,600
more primary pass situations.
I don't know how much they're

1047
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,400
going to do this.
Based on his time in the NFL,

1048
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,960
Arizona would run 2 down lineman
head up on the guards rather

1049
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,800
than here you've got, you know,
A5 Tech to the field and more of

1050
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,840
a nose to the boundary.
But in this set, you know,

1051
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,920
you're expecting your your edge
guys to rush and you've got your

1052
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,320
two linebackers and their trips
formations.

1053
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,560
They're having to roll over the
safeties to the outside with one

1054
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,440
deep.
But this wasn't something I saw

1055
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,320
a whole lot of the film in the
film I included to show that

1056
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,240
there's flexibility.
It's not going to look like the

1057
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,560
same.
It's not going to look like the

1058
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,000
one of the things that I there's
not much I didn't like about

1059
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,000
bugs defense scheme wise.
But with with the defense

1060
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,800
coordinator the last couple
years, it got pretty predictable

1061
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,480
where pressures were going to
come from.

1062
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,280
And they were going to, they
were going to bring the star and

1063
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,680
they were going to slant
everybody to the boundary and

1064
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,000
they were doing that way, way
too much.

1065
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,800
And they weren't bringing the
mic at all, even though the mic

1066
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,440
linebackers really weren't very
good cover guys that would never

1067
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,600
blitz them.
So they became a little bit

1068
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,840
predictable.
So this is just showing that

1069
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,560
there's a little bit of
flexibility.

1070
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,240
Arizona would run sort of junk
looking defenses where you have

1071
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,600
a bunch of guys standing around
a line of scrimmage and they're

1072
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,680
all moving around.
It wasn't so static like we've

1073
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,120
become accustomed to the next
few years.

1074
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,440
So if you want to go to the the
next Wofford one, I'll show the

1075
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,240
the base defense base 3-4 that
he was running at Wofford.

1076
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Yeah, because when I see this,
I'm thinking like almost like

1077
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
looking at Jay Bateman when he
was at UNC, like that's kind of

1078
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,600
my initial look at this.
Yeah, and and again, this is a

1079
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,800
this is a change up both of the
the key thing here is both of

1080
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,680
the edge guys are those outside
linebackers.

1081
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,480
So even though they look like,
oh, these are bigger guys,

1082
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,720
they're going to pass rush all
the time, especially the guy to

1083
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,840
the field.
That's a guy who has the ability

1084
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,240
to drop.
And so so you know, they they

1085
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,600
still have to be confident.
Your field linebacker still has

1086
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,120
to be confident to rush, which I
don't know that Woodson, you

1087
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,760
know, otherwise I would say
Woodson would fit in that role,

1088
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,040
but I've never really seen him
as much.

1089
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,920
He certainly wasn't used much as
a blitzing guy.

1090
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,600
So you know, that's where I
think I think you can see in

1091
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,200
this look, you'd have Ben Bell
as the guy to the boundary and

1092
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,320
and Jonkman probably to the
field or Burgos in in this look.

1093
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,280
All right, so this is Wofford's
base formation.

1094
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,600
Again, you're seeing a nose
tackle.

1095
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,880
He's slightly off.
He's not straight head up.

1096
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,040
But you've got both of the
defensive ends are playing what

1097
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,520
I would call 5 techniques here.
I've read and they keep calling

1098
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,200
it a four I even though they're
a little more outside shoulder

1099
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,280
on the guards.
You see your linebacker if if

1100
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,200
you all watched a lot of the
East Carolina games from early

1101
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,920
in Fuentes era and end of coach
Beamer's era, they always had

1102
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,200
the boundary linebacker sort of
walked up to line scrimmage and

1103
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,760
instead of in the Lawrence
Taylor pass rush pose, it kind

1104
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,080
of be squatting.
I used to call it the Popeye

1105
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,360
linebacker is what you'd look
like if you had the Popeye pads

1106
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,720
on practice and you're trying to
prevent yourself from getting

1107
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,000
killed.
You've got your field

1108
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,920
linebacker.
He's a little more off the line

1109
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,920
of scrimmage and playing about
halfway between the right

1110
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,280
offensive tackle and the slot
receiver.

1111
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,680
And again, this is their run in
3-4.

1112
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,040
So you've got the two
linebackers, but you can see the

1113
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,480
safety boundary.
Safety is walked up.

1114
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,440
So again, there's a little bit
of positional flexibility.

1115
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,520
He hasn't started using the the
three safety look.

1116
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,080
So generally what you're going
to see from this with the way

1117
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,760
the running backs align, most
likely run play is going to be

1118
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,720
inside zone to the right hand
side.

1119
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,560
What you would expect here, the
defensive end or defensive

1120
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,800
tackle, whatever you want to
call it, the the four technique

1121
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,720
to the field is probably going
to slant right and try to get

1122
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,560
outside of the shoulder pad
right onto the right shoulder of

1123
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,400
the right offensive tackle.
Can we try do some real quick

1124
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:03,160
for those looking and I'm I'm
lucky Siegler played offensive

1125
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,920
line, Tally played D line and
tackle.

1126
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,120
I've been adjusted.
We have our friend Robbie Field

1127
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,640
side would be the head of the
Bulldog the.

1128
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,400
Down.
Side is the feet of the bulldog.

1129
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,200
If everybody was wondering if
you didn't know what as he's

1130
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,080
saying this, I want to clear
that up because that is

1131
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,160
something that I've been taught
over the last few years.

1132
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,480
And somebody be like, who the
fuck is he talking about right

1133
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,040
now?
Now there we go.

1134
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Wide side of the field and short
side of the field is I'll use

1135
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,480
that some.
But so, so that defensive end

1136
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,120
or, or defensive tackle, I don't
know what the terminology will

1137
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,920
end up being.
When it was Bruce Smith, they

1138
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,880
called it a defensive end in
3-4.

1139
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,440
But to me that's more aligned
like a defensive tackle.

1140
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,840
So he's they're probably going
to slant to the left or to the

1141
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,680
top of the screen or to the
field side, whatever you are

1142
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,920
more comfortable with.
That field linebacker most

1143
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,840
likely is going to sort of shift
out to the flat, become a flat

1144
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,280
defender.
The right inside linebacker is

1145
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,200
probably going to fill between
the boundary free technique, the

1146
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,520
defensive tackle to the bottom
of the screen and that outside

1147
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,880
linebacker who's in the Popeye
position or kind of looking like

1148
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,120
he's shrugging his shoulders.
And that outside guy is going to

1149
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,880
become your option defender.
So where the quarterback is

1150
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,520
going to have trouble, he
doesn't know if that backside

1151
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,360
defender is going to crash
inside on the zone and that

1152
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,960
safety who's creeping up could
replace him as the option

1153
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,080
defender.
Could the outside linebacker

1154
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,400
slow play and just sort of be
stationary and slow read the

1155
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,160
quarterback, or could that
outside linebacker just becoming

1156
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,840
like a bat out of hell and try
to hit the mesh point, focusing

1157
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,480
more on quarterback safety?
So there's some variability

1158
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:56,000
there that makes the
quarterback's job more

1159
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,560
difficult.
One of the reasons that this

1160
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,240
defense is becoming more popular
in college football is zone

1161
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,520
read, and it makes it a little
more challenging from a zone

1162
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,480
read perspective.
Figure out, all right, who's

1163
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,720
going to be there waiting for me
as the quarterback on the

1164
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,240
backside.
You can do a little bit of a,

1165
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,280
you know, sort of a gap hand off
where that outside linebacker is

1166
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,280
going to crash inside.
And either, you know, if the

1167
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,480
safety is not walked up, maybe
even the boundary inside

1168
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,880
linebacker is coming on pressure
sort of moving to the right and

1169
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,680
then up the hash and replaces
them.

1170
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,000
So that variability is difficult
for for defense.

1171
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,120
I know that there was another
article that I saw and I

1172
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,080
apologize, I'm not giving
appropriate credit, but said

1173
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,600
that there was a lot of Dave
Arnotta, who's y'all Correct me

1174
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,400
if I'm wrong.
He's at Wisconsin now.

1175
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,480
He's he.
He was.

1176
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,880
He was at Wisconsin when Cephus
was there at the GA.

1177
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:58,320
Yeah, so, but but him running
this 3/4, that was a lot of his

1178
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,280
impetus was really focusing on
making life miserable for

1179
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,520
quarterbacks, trying to run zone
read and and make sure that

1180
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,320
they're not being static with
what those linebackers doing.

1181
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,120
They're not just coming off the
edge all the time, but they can.

1182
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,640
They're not slow playing all the
time, but they can and trying to

1183
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,240
mix mix things up a little bit.
Can I ask a question just

1184
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,880
looking at this because I see
we've got 11 in the picture

1185
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,520
here.
So there's not obviously a high,

1186
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,359
a high free safety.
My assumption is the one on the

1187
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,439
boundary side above the Bulldogs
head is the free safety.

1188
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,240
But what kind of look could seek
his come out of this because you

1189
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,680
said he likes the skies and
coverages.

1190
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:46,240
Because I'm looking at this,
everybody is within 10 yards of

1191
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,520
the line of scrimmage.
There is no one way back.

1192
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,720
What, what sort of looks could
he give when it comes to this

1193
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,399
coverage wise?
Yeah.

1194
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,640
So so the safety to the boundary
could bail and you play true

1195
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:04,080
cover for, you know, a lot of
the the handoff stuff that Bud

1196
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,080
was doing where you got inside
leverage, outside leverage and

1197
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,720
wherever the receivers go that
comes the inside gets picked up.

1198
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,760
I've read a lot where they want
to match similar to what you

1199
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,760
know, some of the articles I
wrote about pry where they'll

1200
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:23,040
run cover three over the top and
all those linebackers are sort

1201
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,279
of turning to the outside and
identifying first threat, second

1202
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,880
threat as it comes in the middle
of the field and matching to

1203
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,800
them.
And once I get to you got to

1204
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,160
match up.
I don't think that they

1205
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,040
disguised as much out of the
space 3-4 look, when we get to

1206
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,560
the the Arizona film are you're
going to see a lot more

1207
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,120
deception and and and and in
different things where it looks

1208
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,840
a lot like it's going to be
cover 3 and it turns into cover

1209
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,479
2.
I know that was that's a

1210
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,040
favorite that they were doing
last year.

1211
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,560
It really gave Caleb Williams a
hard time for the Bears.

1212
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,920
Course, he's a rookie
quarterback.

1213
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,080
So you know, you expect some of
those struggles.

1214
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,040
But here I'm I'm expecting, you
know, without remembering the

1215
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:08,600
play that I clipped this from.
I I'm expecting probably cover 3

1216
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,560
in the back end, seeing that the
boundary linebackers probably

1217
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,920
playing to the flat.
I'm sorry, the field linebacker

1218
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,280
playing to the flat safety
walking up on the boundary side

1219
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,440
could either go to the flat or
he could bail or he could

1220
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:30,240
replace the edge guy.
If the edge guy rushes, you

1221
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,200
know, crashes hard to the
inside, you know, there's a lot

1222
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,800
of different variability here.
Yeah.

1223
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,800
So you're giving in this case
you got a lot of giving the

1224
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,920
quarterback a lot to think about
both from your coverage

1225
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,640
standpoint and also if you if
you've got the the read option

1226
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,960
call there as.
Well, and those inside guys,

1227
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,200
they're all about sacrificing
themselves.

1228
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,200
You're not going to see your
defensive tackles or your nose

1229
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,840
making a huge number of plays.
Their idea is those three guys

1230
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,320
ideally, and maybe one of the
two linebackers are going to

1231
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,200
account for all of those
offensive line.

1232
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,600
You don't want to see clean
bodies getting down the field,

1233
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,040
getting anywhere near the
safeties.

1234
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,560
If you watch yeah, I think there
are two games where you get

1235
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:16,040
some, some good Wofford film
from 2019 when see if see if

1236
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,480
this was there.
And even though they're only

1237
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,360
running two safeties, it's the
safeties making the vast

1238
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,920
majority of the tackles.
And you all see that.

1239
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,720
I, I highlight some of that in
the film review where you can

1240
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,320
see really distinct alleys
forming sort of like what Bud's

1241
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,920
defense did and their two
safeties filling, you know,

1242
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,000
filling that alley.
Sometimes both of them,

1243
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,720
sometimes one.
But they, they seem to have,

1244
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,280
they understand the concept
where if it's executed up front,

1245
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,200
they're going to find themselves
with a ball carrier one or two

1246
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,040
yards at most from a line of
scrimmage in a very clearly

1247
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,880
defined alley.
Where I would, where I would

1248
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,480
think the alley would be here,
assuming that they they do do

1249
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:03,960
the they do do the slant to the
field is I would expect that the

1250
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:09,160
the left defensive tackle that
that for Tech, he's going to be

1251
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,760
looking, even though he's trying
to get outside, that's hard to

1252
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,240
do.
So his objective is to try to

1253
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,200
get to the outside to cut that.
I believe that's a right tackle

1254
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,040
off from getting to the second
level.

1255
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,000
And so he's de facto spilling
the ball to the to the field

1256
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,080
safety.
He would once he keeps running,

1257
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,120
he would get out of his back
pedal and come up and and make

1258
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,760
the play or the field guy, he's
spelling him out to the field

1259
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,920
guy, field linebacker going to
the flat.

1260
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,280
This would be a lot easier if I
had one of those telestrators,

1261
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,440
but.
Yeah, I need, I need to, I need

1262
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,280
to invest in in something where
I can, I can do some circling

1263
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,520
here, pull up, pull a Little
John magic.

1264
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,600
If you if you ever do film
reviews for a for a blog, folks

1265
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,080
out there reading, make sure you
got a guy who knows how to how

1266
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,080
to cut, tape and and code in
order to just hand you the clips

1267
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,800
that you picked out for.
Thanks Joe, if you're watching

1268
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,360
because I don't know how to do.
It guys you.

1269
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,440
Want to go into the next one?
We can start diving into the the

1270
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,480
Cardinals looks.
Yeah, let's let's let's put one

1271
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,720
on here for for my Colts.
So.

1272
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,040
All right, So this is the
Cardinals when they switch to

1273
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,920
the switch to the Penny look
towards the end of the season,

1274
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,560
this is a little bit of
inverted.

1275
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,920
You've got again your three down
lineman, nose guard guard

1276
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,600
covered up, you know, again, in
passing situations.

1277
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,480
Colts are still spread out so
you can see that boundary

1278
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:43,560
defensive tackle to the bottom
of the screen is widened out a

1279
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,160
little bit.
They you know, there's

1280
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,120
variation.
They're not real static in the

1281
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,520
way they line up.
But generally, you're going to

1282
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,640
see those three guys with their
hand on the ground and then

1283
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,920
you've got your two linebackers
lined up.

1284
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,240
And here they're both using very
aggressive.

1285
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,200
They're indicating pass rush.
Doesn't mean they're coming.

1286
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,760
They don't give it away.
But you can see the edge guy,

1287
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,080
the one to the field.
He's splitting the difference

1288
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,800
between the offensive tackle.
And if you read my film reviews,

1289
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,760
you're going to hear that a lot,
splitting the difference between

1290
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,640
the offensive tackle to the
field and the slot receiver.

1291
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,960
You have your one middle
linebacker sort of stacked

1292
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,920
behind the nose.
That's Kazir White.

1293
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,840
And the idea again, those 3
interior guys jam everything up.

1294
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,640
Your two edge guys are setting
the edge.

1295
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,720
From this look, they tend to
come a little more often versus,

1296
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:39,240
you know, backing out.
But the idea is to create an

1297
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,480
alley to one side or the other.
And then where they're inverted

1298
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:47,160
here, there's the possibility of
the two hash safeties, the one

1299
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,000
who's just above the 40 yard
line marker and then the one on

1300
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,680
the hash mark to the opposite
side.

1301
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,440
Either one of those could
theoretically be the the 6th or

1302
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:00,640
7th man into the, I'm sorry, the
7th man into the box.

1303
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,400
But most of the time you're
going to see Baker up.

1304
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,000
Even with him, that's Baker in
the middle, a little deeper.

1305
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,320
Most of the time he's up, he
would be right around the 41

1306
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,600
yard line and sort of inverted,
looking like a wishbone.

1307
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,080
The other way here he's elevated
a little deeper.

1308
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,080
So they may be sending one of
the other two safeties into the

1309
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,080
box, but a lot of time you're
going to see Baker's the one

1310
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,920
going even if they do the
invert.

1311
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,000
But they're trying to show a
little different here.

1312
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,280
If you want to go to the next
one, you get a even better look

1313
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,280
at you know what they running
more often towards the end of

1314
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,320
the year.
So here same same sort of

1315
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,920
alignment.
In this case, the wide receiver

1316
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,920
is tight.
So you can see that the the

1317
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,280
field side linebacker is now to
the bottom of your screen is

1318
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,920
flexed out a little bit and he's
off the line of scrimmage, but

1319
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,280
the boundary guy still up in in
a pass rush position.

1320
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,440
You can see from the stances of
the defensive line, they're not

1321
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,080
being real squatty and trying to
just jam up their gaps.

1322
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,000
Their feet are a little further
back.

1323
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,320
They've got more forward lane,
which means they're trying to

1324
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,920
shoot up and get into the gap
and cause disruption, not just

1325
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,080
not just trying to, you know,
squat and take on the double

1326
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,040
team again.
You have middle linebacker

1327
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,200
stacking up behind the nose.
There's a little bit of depth

1328
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,200
there.
The idea is for him to also stay

1329
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,720
clean.
He's not he's not assigned

1330
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,040
fitting a gap.
Like, for example, Jalen Keller

1331
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,320
really struggled with that.
And before him, Alan Tisdale was

1332
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,480
God awful at it the previous
year.

1333
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,520
But the idea, let's say you're
running the inside zone to the

1334
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,080
to the boundary.
Your boundary linebacker is

1335
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,480
going to set the edge.
He's probably going to rush up

1336
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:51,920
field keeping his right arm
free, taking on the blocker and

1337
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,760
you're going to see the inside.
They can either consolidate or

1338
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,080
they'll probably slant to the
right hand side with to the

1339
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,120
field side with the backer.
Bubba Baker on this run is going

1340
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,760
to come up between that boundary
edge and the three, I'm sorry,

1341
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,000
the four technique to the
boundary side and fill that out.

1342
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,000
And it's the job of that
defensive tackle and the edge to

1343
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,360
take the two blockers who are
over there and make sure they do

1344
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,200
not get in.
Bubba, I keep saying Bubba

1345
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,080
Buddha Baker's way.
And when you all watch my film

1346
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,160
review, you're going to see
Baker up at the line of

1347
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,200
scrimmage.
Look at where the Mike is versus

1348
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,280
him.
He beats the Mike who's

1349
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:38,320
unblocked on this play to make
the tackle like he's shot out of

1350
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,560
it.
And the cool thing about it is I

1351
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,480
don't know if it's a preset call
where he knows where he's going

1352
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,720
to be around line of scrimmage
and he's going no matter, you

1353
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,560
know, if they're key and run or
pass or he's just that

1354
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:57,000
instinctive and that quick.
But they have really set this up

1355
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:03,560
to to make his skill set shine.
So Arizona with, you know, they

1356
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,520
put up some pretty decent
numbers defensively.

1357
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,680
This was very bend, don't break,
but it made Baker look like a

1358
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,320
superstar.
And when you see their big

1359
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,480
plays, he's the one around the
line of scrimmage.

1360
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,280
He's ideally positioned to, you
know, a lot of college teams

1361
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,240
like flaring the running back
out into the two flats.

1362
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,440
Yeah, I'm going to cost people
to pass out tonight as many

1363
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:32,440
times as I screw that up.
He's he's an ideal position to

1364
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:35,160
cover the back going either way
into the flat.

1365
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,640
He can match to circle routes.
He's, you know, 5-10 hundred and

1366
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,960
95 lbs.
So yeah, he and he's quick.

1367
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,720
He's got the ability to lock on
in coverage.

1368
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,960
He can match.
So if you're looking at this

1369
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,800
play and you're looking at the
slot receiver to the boundary,

1370
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:54,360
maybe you're showing the backer
kind of lining up in a, in a

1371
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,800
passive position, but you want
to blitz that backer.

1372
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,760
He blitzes, then Buddha Baker's
going to step inside just like

1373
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,080
he's doing run sport.
He's going to step right around

1374
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,600
the 25 yard line and then he's
going to turn to that slot

1375
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,880
receiver and match.
If that slot receiver comes

1376
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,600
inside, he's got it.
If the slot receiver goes

1377
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,160
outside, he's going to get
picked up by the the boundary

1378
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,120
hash safety.
So you have a lot of

1379
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,160
flexibility.
One of the things that they'll

1380
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,880
do a lot in coverage, they'll
run a lot of cover, too.

1381
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,480
And you would think, well, in
the Cover 2, it's, you know, no,

1382
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:30,520
4 threes, the middle linebacker
in the Tampa twos bailing out

1383
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,160
and covering the post.
You would think, well, the way

1384
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,120
they're lined up here would be
Baker doing it.

1385
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:39,440
No, sometimes they'll they'll
actually take Baker and make him

1386
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:43,080
the match defender on slants and
stuff coming inside.

1387
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,800
And poor Kazir White's got to
turn around and run to the yeah,

1388
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,240
I think they call it the pole
defender.

1389
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,560
I've seen videos on Cover 2
using the term pole defender for

1390
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,160
that Mike linebacker.
So they'll basically switch

1391
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,120
position.
You'll see that Mike turning and

1392
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,040
bailing and Buddha Baker coming
into the flat.

1393
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,640
He becomes, he's either the
linebacker if they're running or

1394
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,560
he's matching to those guys
break into the inside and pass

1395
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,480
game.
So it gives a lot of

1396
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,640
variability.
From this look, they could run

1397
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,760
cover three over the top and the
two corners basically sit down

1398
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,280
as you know, umbrella flat
defenders.

1399
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,760
You've got where they're both in
press position, you can run, you

1400
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,160
know, cover 3, but where they're
bailing and Baker can come up

1401
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,840
and be run support and that
linebacker is going to run to

1402
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,600
the flat.
I believe that's Mac Wilson to

1403
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,840
the boundary.
It gives you a lot of different

1404
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,720
options and one of the things
that they emphasize, don't be

1405
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:48,960
predictable, you know, bring
pressures from different angles

1406
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,680
bring, you know, you're all
running the same coverages, but

1407
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,560
where the cover guys are coming
from, you can mix up.

1408
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,680
And you know, again, in terms of
the run defense, the whole idea

1409
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,280
and we, we saw Old Dominion did
it last year and some other

1410
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,120
team, Duke used to do it when
they would run the three safety

1411
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:12,440
look a few years ago before the
guy who's coaching at Texas A&M

1412
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,640
now, I, I love and I'm brain
cramping on his name.

1413
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,920
Elko, Mike.
Elko.

1414
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,040
Thank you.
Mike Elko, masterful defensive

1415
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,200
coordinator, Got what I would
have if I could have picked a

1416
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,040
replacement for Bud, that would
have been the guy I I would have

1417
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,280
picked.
But before he got there, Duke

1418
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,240
ran a lot of three highs and it
was the same thing.

1419
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,280
They didn't have a lot of talent
up front to jam everybody up and

1420
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,240
one or two of those safeties was
coming into the box right at the

1421
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,120
snap.
But they would line up a pie,

1422
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,720
never knew which one it was
going to be.

1423
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,880
They would play a lot of, you
know, cover zero with a single

1424
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,880
high and they would have those
two extra guys in the box.

1425
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,440
And I mean, especially when your
offensive line has Vt on the

1426
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,720
helmet, generally they're not
going to be very good.

1427
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:59,080
So, or at least over a long
enough history, all due respect

1428
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,680
to the 2020 offensive line,
which was awesome, but when

1429
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,600
they're not very good, the
chances of them finding a safety

1430
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,840
that's much, much quicker at the
second level is is pretty

1431
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,040
limited.
So that's, you know, those Duke

1432
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,560
teams were very competitive on
defense for a long time using

1433
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,840
that approach.
So I think prize took on this

1434
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,480
defense.
I think he was interested in the

1435
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,480
three high look, the flexibility
it gave.

1436
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,600
I think he also realizes that
from a talent perspective, it's

1437
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,280
going to be really hard to get
the horses up front to have a,

1438
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,120
you know, to dominate the last
scrimmage.

1439
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,440
He's not going to be able to get
the same level of talent that he

1440
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,720
was getting, you know, at Penn
State.

1441
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,920
And even there his defensive
lineman, you know, he, he found

1442
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,600
some some gems that were
probably not the most highly

1443
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,320
recruited guys.
Jesse Lucada was a their Mike

1444
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,600
linebacker and they would play
him at defensive end.

1445
01:22:55,480 --> 01:23:00,280
So I, I think that he's read the
white writing on the wall.

1446
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,760
This is a scheme that will allow
it.

1447
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,840
One, it shouldn't give up a lot
of big plays because they have

1448
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:11,640
the three guys deep 2.
You know, you can sort of use

1449
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,240
your defensive line as pawns and
chess game and eat up blockers

1450
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,200
and try to keep second level
guys free.

1451
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,400
And it's it's a little more
intuitive for the second level

1452
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:26,080
defenders than the old Virginia
Tech defense has been where you,

1453
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,520
you know, you basically have to
go where that alley is going to

1454
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,280
be.
And a lot of those big runs

1455
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,840
where somebody screwed up up
front and let the running back

1456
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,560
go somewhere where they weren't
supposed to go and that you see

1457
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,720
the safety was out of position.
Well, that's because, you know,

1458
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,200
someone up front blew the blew
the force or spell call.

1459
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:48,400
So I think half of what I've
written the last two years was

1460
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,520
let's look at the force and
split on this big run and you

1461
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,960
know, it's pretty good to get.
Well, both the safety and the

1462
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,120
edge guy are outside.
Somebody screwed that up and it

1463
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,760
was probably the defensive end.
So let me ask this Prince could

1464
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,320
you mentioned it there and I was
going to ask it in a few minutes

1465
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,160
here, but I'm going to circle
back.

1466
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,080
Why is a scheme like this going
to be easier to recruit?

1467
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,880
I mean, because I mean, I feel
like a lot of people are going

1468
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,480
to say, well, don't you need a
big nose?

1469
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,880
That's not necessarily the case
with some of these UA schemes,

1470
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,200
right?
You don't have to have a three

1471
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,400
20 LB nose.
It's nice if you do, but you

1472
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,040
don't have to.
I mean, it's, it's always, it's

1473
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:31,440
always better to have 320 who
can move than 285 that can move.

1474
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,120
True, but you have to be able to
move.

1475
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,680
So, you know, a lot of, I don't
know, easier to recruit.

1476
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,200
I think it's going to be
different to recruit because you

1477
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,360
know, some of the guys they've
been getting a defensive end I

1478
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,840
think can play in this 3-4.
But like Antoine Power Island,

1479
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,600
he was used kind of in this role
last year as you know, more of a

1480
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,200
stand up off the edge.
They would line him up in the

1481
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,040
middle and move him around.
But he really struggled at

1482
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,600
Florida when they added in the
piece where sometimes you're

1483
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,440
going and sometimes running the
flat.

1484
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,960
I, I kind of wanted them to keep
the defence my I've still got

1485
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,920
question marks about the fit.
I still have question marks

1486
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,760
about how the personnel is going
to work.

1487
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,600
And we were talking about it for
the break.

1488
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,240
They haven't turned over the
staff.

1489
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,440
You know, I love JC Price.
JC Price has been a even front

1490
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:28,880
defensive line coach for as long
as it's been in the game.

1491
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,080
He played under Foster.
You know, where does he fit in

1492
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,560
terms of coaching defensive
tackles to do something that's a

1493
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,840
little different?
They still need to move, they

1494
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,160
still need to gap fit, but you
know, they're not going to make

1495
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,280
the number of plays I could that
negatively impact defensive

1496
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,680
tackle recruiting.
As I mentioned, Kevin Gilliam

1497
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,560
was a fish out of water at
Oklahoma where the defensive

1498
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,640
tackles were asked to eat up
blocks.

1499
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,160
So you know, how how is that
going to work?

1500
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,840
Do they have the Superman
recruit at safety who he may not

1501
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,560
be a five star guy because
you're not really asking him to

1502
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,240
play a lot of, you know, sort of
traditional deep safety

1503
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,960
coverage, but you got to find a
guy who, you know, is just an

1504
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,560
absolute bad ass up in the box.
And Trey Palamalu wasn't a deep

1505
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,560
half guy, but he was great
around the line of scrimmage.

1506
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,640
And that's what you, you know,
you need that middle safety to

1507
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,880
be.
I I and you know, we talked

1508
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,840
about the linebackers.
Who's the field linebacker?

1509
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,480
I have no earthly idea who's the
mic.

1510
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,400
I'm assuming it's going to be
Woodson.

1511
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,560
I would put John in there.
Yeah.

1512
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,680
Yeah.
Well, I'll probably be wrong.

1513
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,240
I've been wrong, you know,
enough times before.

1514
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,200
But I have a lot of question
marks.

1515
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,400
It's a big swing.
It's a big swing that's high

1516
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,000
risk.
If it works out, they've not

1517
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,760
giving up as many big plays.
And I think that the viewpoint

1518
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,400
is that gives them a better
chance to compete, especially

1519
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,560
with the better offense.
You know, the downside is you

1520
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,400
have a bunch of square pegs and
round holes and it takes you two

1521
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,120
to three years to flip the
roster and tally.

1522
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:09,680
I think you said it right off
the bat.

1523
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,800
I don't think he has two or
three years to turn things

1524
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,400
around.
So it's a, it's a, it's a big

1525
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,280
swing, especially when the new
defensive coordinator is not

1526
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,800
bringing in all his own guys
that he's comfortable with

1527
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,160
running this game.
Yeah.

1528
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,680
And I mean, you said it earlier
when you talk about your fit and

1529
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,200
things like that, I mean,
obviously, I think you, you, you

1530
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,840
wish that Don Terry pose could
grow on trees, but they don't.

1531
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,240
A guy that can move like that,
that's in the, you know, 3/23/30

1532
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:44,560
range in college, you, you don't
really see that, you know, that

1533
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,320
type of player every day.
At the same time, you know,

1534
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,160
based on your description there,
you, you don't necessarily need

1535
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,200
those, those, those big noses
that you're used to from a, a

1536
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,800
more traditional, you know, 2
gap 3/4.

1537
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:03,080
You know, that, that it was so
popular in NFL for so long.

1538
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,760
Let me flip it back over to, to
here real quick and just ask a

1539
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,760
quick question here.
So you know, you were talking

1540
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,600
about the the field edge here
kind of splitting the

1541
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,880
difference.
If you're going against a, let's

1542
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:25,440
say AODU that loves splitting
those wide receivers out outside

1543
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:29,600
the numbers, does that put you
at any sort of disadvantage with

1544
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,080
that type of alignment?
I think with those teams that

1545
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,520
are really heavy, you know, for
widespread, they're going to run

1546
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,040
trips, especially trips to the
boundary, which, you know,

1547
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,400
causes its own headaches.
I would expect the nose to come

1548
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,080
off the field and you're going
to see the 22 defensive tackles

1549
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,400
and the two edges lined up more.
You know, they'll they'll still

1550
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,120
be standing up, but they'll look
like more traditional defensive

1551
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,320
ends and they'll do that a lot.
And you'll see a lot of that's

1552
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,360
when you'll see the junk
defenses where right here you

1553
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:04,640
got Baker 12 yards off the ball.
If you watch enough tape, I

1554
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,440
mean, this is a very limited
sample size.

1555
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,440
They will bring him up around
the line of scrimmage as a

1556
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,240
blitzer.
Like they'll move him all

1557
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,080
around.
So you know, there's going to be

1558
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,200
a little more variability, but
that's that's what I would

1559
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,960
expect is it from a base?
Look, if you're playing teams

1560
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,520
that are really emphasizing sort
of like the Tennessee style

1561
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,400
spread, you know, I think that
they'll go to the true nickel

1562
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,640
look where they'll take the nose
off the field and they'll, you

1563
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,240
know, they'll play similar to
what you saw with Ohio State

1564
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:38,000
this year with the two stand up
ends, 2 defensive tackles, sort

1565
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,560
of head up or, or just offset on
the guards.

1566
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,120
And then you'll have the mic,
you know, right over center.

1567
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,680
And but they'll, they'll still
have the three high safeties.

1568
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,960
I, I think the three high
safeties is going to be the base

1569
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,880
defense.
That's the only connection I can

1570
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,680
find between Syphcus and the,
you know, the Ohio State defense

1571
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,960
coordinator that they were
pursuing originally.

1572
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:04,480
So, so I think pride definitely
sees the three high safety look

1573
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,240
as what he wanted to go to,
whether you know, whether it was

1574
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,320
going to be Syphcus or somebody
else.

1575
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,520
I think that was his primary
target from day one when he

1576
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,200
started self scouting and
looking at looking at the

1577
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,480
defense.
The interesting thing is, you

1578
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,960
know, with Moses Phillips
athleticism, he might have been

1579
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,040
a hell of a fit for it.
So him departing, you know, I I

1580
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,920
don't know for sure he had the
skill set, but he played sort of

1581
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,120
he sort of played slow, but he
may have missed out on on on an

1582
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,840
opportunity to play in a system
that really highlighted him more

1583
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:44,320
than what they were doing last
year did all right.

1584
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,520
Kelly, anything right now?
I'm good man, just paying

1585
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:53,280
attention and trying to see if I
can take this test at the end of

1586
01:30:53,280 --> 01:31:00,200
this class well.
I said I I'm I'm this is I'm

1587
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,680
guess this is an educated guess.
We may he may come out and

1588
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,400
they're running the same damn
defense they ran last year.

1589
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,160
You know, I and and see if this
because he's this young

1590
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,160
Wunderkin who has all this NFL
experience could adapt.

1591
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:17,680
I but but based on what he was
involved in, I could not find

1592
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:23,240
any tape where he's running, you
know, base four man front with

1593
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,160
any consistency.
It was just just the nickel no

1594
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,320
matter when he was at Wofford
when Arizona wasn't doing it.

1595
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,800
But I'm picturing this that the
only connection I can make

1596
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,200
between Jim Knowles and see if
kisses they were both 3 high

1597
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,360
guys.
So, you know, I'm 100% expecting

1598
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,760
something that looks like what
you've got on the screen right

1599
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,080
now as the base defense.
Sure, French.

1600
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,960
Let me ask this what what are
the nuances between what Knowles

1601
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,080
was running at Ohio State and
what Cephus was was?

1602
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,400
Running.
So the biggest difference is

1603
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,400
Knowles was running even front,
Yeah, those even front one

1604
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,800
backer or two backers.
They went a lot of one backer

1605
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:07,800
versus versus Tennessee and
they'd show the light box and

1606
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,320
they would have a nickel, they'd
have a true nickel when they'd

1607
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,160
still have the two edge guys.
So they were, you know,

1608
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,040
basically they were replacing
out their nose with a nickel

1609
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,080
defender and going with I'm
trying to remember the term.

1610
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,720
So it was essentially A7
defensive back a look.

1611
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,960
But you know, again, they were
bringing safeties up pretty

1612
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:29,760
heavily and then most of the
rest of the time they're

1613
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,320
running, you know, 4-2 with
three high safeties.

1614
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,360
So you know that that was the
biggest difference.

1615
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,040
He, you know, maybe fit what
Virginia Tech was doing last

1616
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,560
year and they were just taking a
little bit of a different, you

1617
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,800
know, angle with it.
Again, they had Caleb Downs.

1618
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,880
Caleb Downs make a lot of guys
look pretty damn good from a

1619
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:56,280
coaching perspective.
So, you know, I, I had my

1620
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,720
thought.
I was 100% convinced.

1621
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,040
If you want to talk about
something I've been, I was dead

1622
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,560
wrong about.
I was 100% convinced either

1623
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:09,640
Pride was going to take over
defensive play calling duties or

1624
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,360
he was going to bring in
somebody that he had some kind

1625
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,000
of past experience, but that was
going to run the same system.

1626
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:22,440
This was I was gobsmacked when
when I heard the hire and two, I

1627
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:27,280
saw, you know, what the coaching
background was, I was absolutely

1628
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,120
shocked.
So not that again, that's not a

1629
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,600
knock on Cephas.
It's just such a big usually

1630
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:39,440
when you change schemes this to
this level of an extreme, that

1631
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:43,080
means you're expecting you have
two to three years to flip the

1632
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:44,840
rooms and get the person out to
fit it.

1633
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:47,200
So.
And that kind of aligns with

1634
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,800
where his contract is and where
the buyout is and things like

1635
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,600
that.
We, we figure at this point,

1636
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,800
he's at least got two years
with, with these changes that

1637
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,680
he's made to, to see where it
goes.

1638
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,920
Right.
And let me ask you this before

1639
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,280
we kind of wrap up here.
Were you kind of riding the wave

1640
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,000
during kind of all the the
whispers of who the hire might

1641
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,720
be with?
It's like it's Knowles.

1642
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,000
And then, you know, he he gets
on the run and, you know,

1643
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,840
because it was such a protracted
search for a defensive

1644
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,960
coordinator much longer than I
think a lot of us wanted it to

1645
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,640
be, right.
Were you kind of riding that

1646
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,720
wave and kind of seeing the
names that were getting floated

1647
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,320
out there?
You had Knowles out there.

1648
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,080
At some point.
You had Jay Bateman get thrown

1649
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:31,480
out there.
And then eventually, you know,

1650
01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:35,520
we end up on Seekers.
When I when I was going through

1651
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,880
it, like like I said, I thought
they were going to run the same

1652
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,720
scheme.
So when Anthony Poindexter's

1653
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,680
name was out there and they had
coached together and coached

1654
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,920
that scheme, I thought, you
know, maybe, you know, that's

1655
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,360
good probably for Virginia
recruiting.

1656
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:55,800
You know, it's familiar UVIUVA
guy understood, but you know, he

1657
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,240
was a hell of a player and it's
obviously, you know, pretty good

1658
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:00,880
coach.
I thought maybe that he would

1659
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,840
fit.
I know Bob Shoop's name was one

1660
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,160
that I was watching Tennessee
tape on and they did a lot of

1661
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,680
the same.
You know, they didn't do the

1662
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,520
alley defense quite the same
way.

1663
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,040
But in terms of how they use
their defensive line and they

1664
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:19,240
try to, you know, they were very
clearly doing pre call force and

1665
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,120
spill.
It wasn't a instinctive reactive

1666
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,320
thing.
So I thought that you know, he

1667
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,120
would be a possibility.
And then when they start

1668
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,640
floating the, and I apologize,
I'm forgetting his name, but the

1669
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:34,120
Tennessee defensive coordinator
from last two seasons, you know,

1670
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:38,320
they he was doing, you know, a
lot of similar stuff where

1671
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:44,120
Tennessee had been really bad
when Hypo first got there on how

1672
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,840
they were setting the edge.
They they really struggled in

1673
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,960
that area.
I think it probably held them

1674
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,320
back from competing for some
titles even though they had some

1675
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,200
big time talent at defensive
end.

1676
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,480
But last year it really seemed
to come together under his

1677
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:01,400
leadership where they were, you
know, doing a lot of the setting

1678
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,240
the edge stuff and the safety
seemed to have a good idea of

1679
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,280
where to come up and do run
support.

1680
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,360
So those were the guys I was
really looking at.

1681
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:13,000
I was actually collecting film
clips to get ready to write, you

1682
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,440
know, reviews on them,
especially Shoop and and the

1683
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:19,920
other guy that had been at or
that was at Tennessee and the

1684
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:25,200
name's escaping me Poindexter,
because you know, I it's not

1685
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,280
exactly easy to find a light
UConn film, but when he was a

1686
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,440
defensive coordinator at UConn,
but I could just go, here's

1687
01:36:32,440 --> 01:36:34,760
Brent prize prize defense at
Penn State.

1688
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,560
Here's what they were doing.
And Brent prize the head coach

1689
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:43,000
and he got the job entirely
based on, you know, his great

1690
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,080
defenses at Penn State and you
know it, it sort of made sense.

1691
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:52,000
So when he didn't become an
option, they took this big right

1692
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,880
hand and he, from the sounds of
it, sounds like that those were

1693
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,440
never the guys being considered.
But you know, those were those

1694
01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:01,640
were the ones that sort of made
sense to me.

1695
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:03,760
I know that there were some
other names floated where I just

1696
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,240
went that doesn't fit at all at
all.

1697
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,480
But you know, I'll tell you the
way my spring is gone.

1698
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:14,640
That feels like it's two months
ago at this point.

1699
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,760
It's been what, maybe 3 weeks, 4
weeks since a lot of this

1700
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,640
clarity started to come up.
So I got, it's hard to even

1701
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:25,160
keep, keep track of it.
But yeah, those were the guys I

1702
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,440
was looking at.
I'm, I'm still surprised, but at

1703
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:34,720
the same time, you know, the old
defense, I think I, I, I had no

1704
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,080
issues with what Virginia Tech
was doing scheme wise

1705
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,840
defensively.
I had no idea what they were

1706
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,960
teaching their linebackers and
safeties to do within the

1707
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:48,240
context of that scheme.
I would just watch it and go, I

1708
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,080
know what they're supposed to be
doing and that isn't it.

1709
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,160
And you get they're still out
there.

1710
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,480
Nobody's getting benched,
nobody's getting yanked onto the

1711
01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:02,040
sideline, getting here full, you
know, all teams are doing OK.

1712
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,440
Any, any indication that the
corners aren't impressed, man,

1713
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:09,560
we're running posts and there's
no, there's no safety in the

1714
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,480
middle of the field over and
over and over again.

1715
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:17,000
Never an adjustment.
So, you know, he didn't have

1716
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,520
that.
He didn't have the assistance

1717
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,160
that we're doing a good job.
That's my opinion.

1718
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:24,600
I don't think the players were
stupid or or slow or anything.

1719
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,640
So I I thought that that was a
coaching issue and in terms of

1720
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:33,480
talent and he had Michael
Parsons had Brendan Smith at the

1721
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,720
at the strong side, you know,
Will linebacker and he never,

1722
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,360
you know, Woodson was as high
end as he got Turner's

1723
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,280
recruiting tenure.
And that defense just doesn't

1724
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,800
work in life.
Even Bud's defenses, when Bud

1725
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,960
had a badass, you know, we
called it backer back then

1726
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,760
boundary side, inside
linebacker, you had a badass.

1727
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,800
The defenses were unstoppable.
When you had someone who was

1728
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,720
mediocre, they were OK.
And when you had someone who was

1729
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,360
really bad, they were still OK.
But then you had to watch that.

1730
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,440
Really, you had to watch Lyndale
Gibson and Jake Johnson miss 10

1731
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:09,480
tackles again.
So that position was really

1732
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:11,160
important.
And they never got that guy.

1733
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,280
Yeah.
If you go back and read when

1734
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,000
they hired Pry, I said, my God,
can they bring Abdul Carter and,

1735
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,280
you know, with him because his
linebacker film was great and he

1736
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,720
was really good as a linebacker.
I had no idea he'd become the

1737
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,240
best pass rusher in the country.
But God, would I would have

1738
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:33,800
given for pride of Abdul Carter,
Abdul Carter to be that will

1739
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:35,640
linebacker.
And maybe we'd be having a

1740
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:37,120
different conversation right
now.

1741
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,040
You might be, I want to ask you
this real quick and I think

1742
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,400
we'll we'll see if either body
here has any more questions.

1743
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:50,120
But with this type of defense,
now what's going to be the

1744
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,080
offense is where if we're
playing this offense, we should

1745
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:56,920
just eat them alive under 20
points.

1746
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,960
But if we're playing this type
of offense, buckle the fuck up

1747
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,840
because if we miss one or two
play, we're fucked.

1748
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,160
Well, I and a lot of that's
going to depend on how personnel

1749
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,360
ends up fitting in.
Yeah, for sure, I'm.

1750
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,760
Saying so let's say it's an
above average, everybody is

1751
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,080
above average and you're shocked
like we we got the Isaiah cash

1752
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,920
turns out to be a tackle machine
can get sideline to sideline

1753
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,360
everything, everything is
working above average.

1754
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,120
Yeah, if you can, if you've got
a team that runs a more

1755
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:34,280
traditional run game, not as
much of A zone run game, and

1756
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:38,640
your offensive lineman can, you
know, take care of that edge guy

1757
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,520
and and get level defenders to
the second level.

1758
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,880
And that means blocking those
front three one-on-one.

1759
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,840
If you got offenses that have
offensive lines that can block

1760
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,480
that front three on one-on-one,
you know there's going to be a

1761
01:40:53,480 --> 01:40:56,160
little bit of trouble because
again, I don't know that there's

1762
01:40:56,160 --> 01:41:00,680
the Superman at the safety spot
that's, you know, going to be so

1763
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,160
dynamic that doesn't matter.
He's just going to beat

1764
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,520
blockers.
They're trying to get to him and

1765
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,640
he's too quick and too elusive
and too instinctive.

1766
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:10,240
He'll get there before they
arrive.

1767
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:15,680
You know, looking at it, it's
well suited to zone, read, run,

1768
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:19,080
spread stuff.
I think it's ideally suited to

1769
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:23,440
stop that kind of defense slow
developing stuff.

1770
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:27,120
If you watch and I think there
is a YouTube video that says Ben

1771
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,840
Bell highlights, strongly
recommend folks watch it.

1772
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,480
He is if you all remember the
last two Marshall games, how

1773
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:38,440
Marshall's edge guys were coming
up the field and that disrupted

1774
01:41:38,440 --> 01:41:42,920
all of Tyler Bowen's sort of
slow developing, you know, run

1775
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,880
wide.
You know, this defense prevents

1776
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:50,800
teams from running wide if it if
it's doing things right, teams

1777
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,840
that are oriented towards
running more sweep oriented

1778
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:58,200
stuff outside zone, this defense
is going to give them our time.

1779
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:02,440
If they can run up inside and
and dominate that interior 3,

1780
01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:03,720
there's going to be a lot of
trouble.

1781
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:07,920
So that's what I'd look for from
a you know, that's what I'm

1782
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,680
looking for.
And Mr. Compton, who just

1783
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,320
commented, yes, same thing.
You know, if you're running the

1784
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,960
traditional pit offense and
teams good at it, you know that

1785
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,720
that pin and pull power stuff
and you get, you know, create

1786
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,160
that gap.
The weak spot in defense is

1787
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,600
always going to be between the
four tack and the the edge guy.

1788
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,680
If you can hit that seam,
especially with one linebacker,

1789
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:33,080
it doesn't take much for you to
disrupt that linebacker, disrupt

1790
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:36,280
that safety and that backs off
for a long way.

1791
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:41,000
The idea is to give that that
mic and that free that middle

1792
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,440
safety a free run and you hope
that they can be the playmakers

1793
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:47,680
you need at that position.
And you and you sure as hell

1794
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,840
hope that those edge guys, if
they're going to line up that

1795
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,080
wide and they're, you know,
they're a little susceptible to,

1796
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:58,560
you know, speed, draw off tackle
power where you're kicking out

1797
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,800
the end and they're playing
outside in anyway.

1798
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,320
You know, which what you're
hoping they'll make up for

1799
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,240
because they're lining up why
they're going to have an

1800
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,480
advantage on offensive tackles
with pass rush.

1801
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,720
And again, if you haven't seen
Ben Bell play, watch it and

1802
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:18,760
you'll sit there and go.
Yes, yes, quarterback pain.

1803
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,800
I like it.
It's all coming to plan.

1804
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,280
Right.
It's all coming to plan.

1805
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,680
Well, listen French, the last
hour half here has been an

1806
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:33,040
educational piece on what we're
likely to see next year.

1807
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,880
Obviously we're spring ball
starts next week.

1808
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:38,920
We we know people are going to
get in there and then we're

1809
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,840
going to have the spring game.
How much are we going to see?

1810
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:44,040
We don't know.
But I think here based on what

1811
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:49,440
Sam Cephas has done, you have
definitely given us at least at

1812
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:54,200
least the 200 level, 200 level
because I got a feeling as you

1813
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:59,760
start seeing real games, 300 and
400 level stuff will be coming

1814
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,120
out soon.
So tally, Brian, anything before

1815
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,520
we wrap it up tonight?
I'm all.

1816
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:07,800
Set brother, I'm good to.
Go.

1817
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:13,360
If I could do a quick, just a
quick advertisement for folks

1818
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:18,440
who may not know thekeyplay.com.
You know, great community there,

1819
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:22,320
a lot of good folks who, you
know, have a, a pretty measured

1820
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,120
attitude about, you know, the
state of the team.

1821
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:27,400
You know, we're not happy when
it's not happy, but folks aren't

1822
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:29,120
ripping each other's throats
out.

1823
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,360
And I'll do my film reviews, you
know, do a couple.

1824
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,680
We try to take breaks in the
offseason a little bit.

1825
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,360
We do some stuff for the spring
game.

1826
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,880
And now with the new schemes,
we'll highlight the new scheme,

1827
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:40,840
probably do a couple articles of
summer.

1828
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,560
But every Monday we have a film
review of the previous games.

1829
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:49,800
Usually we'll do 10 to 15 plays.
For anyone who hasn't seen it

1830
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,560
before, we can try to go into
deep dive and explain, you know,

1831
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,520
where the blocking assignment
may be missed or is it a

1832
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,320
defensive call that just was the
perfect call against the perfect

1833
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:05,400
play call tried to, you know,
assign assign the appropriate

1834
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,560
blame or and identify
opportunities for improvement.

1835
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,480
And also I take great pleasure
in calling out when guys do good

1836
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:14,680
things.
I said you could say I was the

1837
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,760
the king of the Neus Peebles fan
club last season and same with

1838
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:23,200
Bashaw Tooten.
Bashaw Tooten behind our 2020

1839
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:29,960
offensive line all I don't think
and I really think, even though

1840
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,480
the fan base loved him, I don't
think people understand how

1841
01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:38,680
really good he was because he
had nothing in front of him That

1842
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:43,440
was it is just it was just bad.
In fact, I never have to write

1843
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,920
the word more other than talking
about the offensive line coach.

1844
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:53,880
Now Moore brothers Clements.
Oh, they were, they were so bad

1845
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,840
when I say that I I can smell my
own because I was terrible too.

1846
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:00,320
So.
That's right.

1847
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,440
That's right.
I recognize that.

1848
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:07,320
Guy, I I've sat in film rooms
before and have been the focal

1849
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,480
point of a bad place.
So I I've been there.

1850
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,680
It's not a fun place to be.
At the same time you got to, you

1851
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,080
got to call it like you see it.
I haven't had that frustrating a

1852
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,760
couple of years going back to
when Curt Newsome was the

1853
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,680
offensive line coach and you had
guys stepping with the wrong

1854
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:29,200
foot or being, you know, felt
felt like a full second behind

1855
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,040
the snap count.
It's just little dumb things

1856
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,480
like that.
Just you're taking the wrong

1857
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:37,640
angle or your feet aren't moving
at contact and you just go

1858
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,680
That's, you know, that's 8th
grade stuff.

1859
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,320
That's not stuff that should be
happening.

1860
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,800
Power 5 football and you're
watching it go on.

1861
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,920
They're either just got no
talent OR they're tuning out or

1862
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,280
coach, you know, is teaching
them via Zoom.

1863
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,040
I know that that was proven a
false rumor.

1864
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:01,080
Well, I, you know, don't want to
throw stones, but your God be

1865
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,120
better than that.
Yeah, there you go.

1866
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,400
All right.
Well, y'all, with that being

1867
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,040
said, dear God be better than
that.

1868
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,440
Let's hope next year's butter.
We're going to wrap up this

1869
01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:13,720
episode of the Boundary Corner
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1870
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,560
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1871
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:19,280
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1872
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,600
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1873
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1878
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1879
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,760
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1880
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1884
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:57,000
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1885
01:47:57,560 --> 01:49:07,680
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