Stretch Run

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1:31 It's going to be going to be fun. It's like an all the Doom and Gloom, not all doom and gloom gonna be a lot of fun. Someone we've been talking about getting on the Pod for quite a while now. And you know, let's sort of waste no time left. Introduce him here. Basically, this guy, young guy, great writer for Sons of Saturday, great writer for the key play, and a Virginia Tech gravatt of 2021. We're excited to have him on. And tonight we bring on Shelton Moss to talk a little bit of everything with us Shelton. Good evening, sir, how are you today? Hello gentleman. Is it's a pleasure to be on.

2:12 I wish I was in a slightly better mood after Hokies win, but tough loss tonight. I'm sure we'll talk about it but still it's good to be on. Am always happy to talk with you guys. Yeah yeah, tough one. The clothes out there, there was that little run that 9-0 run that took a game where you know, we were right there the whole way shooting well and then just had a tough time getting to go in the basket there at the end and really a rough night on defense as well. Real mad indecent and I mean I've been looking at Stats here but they shoot Miami shot. 66 percent from Boon for Cooper's, very limited Yeah, 42 years in front 3, you know, over 80% from the line.

2:54 They outrebounded the Hokies slight Edge. The turnovers that were at 10:46, not a big deal, but the rebounds to me, were the real killer tonight. I mean, you're talking plus, 64 them in the category and and that in this, those three threes in that consecutive stretch Tech goes up. One off of free-throw. I think it was poked, eat that hit it or Basile. And they hit the free throw her off because I can't remember either. It's, I'll put the kid to bed while watching and stuff sometimes seriously. But and then it's like, Bam, Bam, Bam. And I think it's just a sitting in the first half to I was putting another child to bed. It's 7:44 and I come back and we're down, like, six, and it's like, she shall.

3:42 Let's just talk about this game and just some stuff in general. What is it about these stretches? Where we See out the gate hot tonight out the gate hot 16:8. And then the next thing, you know, it's this five to seven minutes of cold. You know, what do you see for that when you're as you've been watching this team all year in your, for the frustrations with it? Yeah, I mean I try not to overreact too much just because, you know, it is college basketball. Like it's a game of runs, you're going to go on hot streaks, you're going to go and fix and that just happens. But I don't know. I mean, obviously Mike runs a very motion oriented often so So, you know, sometimes maybe the ball gets stuck, sometimes they're not, you know, running the actions, the way they need to be there.

4:23 Not fight through screens thing. Like, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of detail that goes into it and sometimes the execution isn't there. So you know we shoot a lot of Threes I don't think I don't want to show you as many threes as we did you know last year and I don't think we rely on June 23 as much people think. But look if you're going to shoot the threes and you know sometimes you're not going to fall so you gotta find other ways to score. I think bacilli physically has been an issue this season. I think it's been better the last Games, as we saw ACC player of the week this week this week under there, but for the most part, you know, I think they they kind of missile Uma just kind of what he was able to do in the post last season. Not quite the same player facility that is as number 22. So I mean, you know, it was good tonight.

5:05 I mean, you can't complain. I think I saw a stat on Twitter that Tech was the first team in the country this season, to lose a game where they shot. 50-40-90, meaning 50% in the floor, 40 percent from three any percent from the free-throw line. And so they were the first in the country to lose a game this season shooting that split. So I just, you know, the snake bit doesn't even begin to describe Advantage. Going to talk to you. What are the luck metrics for this? Okay, I mean, I can, I can check in the last time I checked Giving great closing out games at played, well down the stretch. I don't know if it's so much a coaching issue as maybe it is an execution issue, but this team just can't close out the the close games.

5:59 Yeah, they definitely struggled. I mean, whether it's sometimes a cold streak, sometimes sloppy, passing, an execution on the offensive end sometimes, you know, just a bad rotation on defense and they are giving up some big open shots, two guys that are at that moment. Hot like mac was tonight. So it's just kind of been a little bit of everything at those. Key moments of the games but let's turn back the clock a little bit. Here we got a blowout win against Syracuse on Saturday. Where do you think this TEAM stands after Syracuse after Miami at this moment? In terms of chances to make the NCAA tournament? First, I think this loss tonight, definitely changes the complexion considerably.

6:40 I know one game isn't, you know, the two critical but you know coming to this game II was looking at a site called bar torvik, was just some in see, a projection simulations and they gave us a 43 percent chance of making before this game. So with the Miami loss, maybe that's down to like, you know, 37:36 somewhere in that range. I think that's pretty reasonable. The problem is, you're 38 in the ACC, it's a down year for the league. You know, you've got you, I mean, you have to beat like, you gave Buster win on Like, you cannot lose that game and make the tournament, unless you want to, you know, get an at large again and try to try to win the whole thing. But, you know, they got to win that game. I mean, they would have to go. What is it like 9 and 19 into? I don't know how many games I have left. I guess I got they got names laughs now.

7:21 So maybe like 7 and 28 and one. I mean that's that's a really tough ass. So you know, like I said, I try not to overreact to a single game but it's like it's more. So the fact that you you started the season 3 and 8 and put yourself in such a tough spot rather than just this one loss and I mean my name is a good team, you know they're going Play good basketball. They got shot, they got shot makers, they got Playmakers, but it's just without you started. So Pearl. You put yourself in such a bad position and that seems to be a recurring theme with this team. All right, so here let me let me let me let me preface this shit, Sheldon, we were talking before. You hopped on with this in Bryant said beat UVA. Then we have to BBC Notre Dame, Georgia Tech pit Louisville, Florida, State at 7:00. So So are you saying like either you have to beat Miami or do along with you be a win Saturday to have any shot?

8:11 You gazing must. I just don't see how you can lose that game and make it because like even if you you know, even if you I mean if you lose it like you have to go like now to know the rest of the way, and that's not even a guarantee to get you in. So I do like, you know, I just think you have to win that game and after that, you know, that's gonna be really tough game. Like if they beat Duke and UVA, I mean, they're in business, but that's it. It's really tough. Ask I just again, it just goes back to the bad start. You can't spend Seth every year and expect to be in a good spot. Yeah, definitely, definitely, can't dig a hole in January, like, we've done back-to-back seasons and expect anyone to do any favors. And I will say, you know, the committee might give a little bit of credence this year more than a gave last year, just because of Couture being out and looking at at that over that four-game stretch but I still think we still dug ourselves too much of a hole at this point where we really have to almost be perfect the rest of the wave. Say for maybe one game to really feel like you're secure heading into that selection.

9:11 Absolutely. Yeah. And and, and to your point, I just to make a quick point, you know, also the non-conference schedule like non-conference resume was awesome. I mean, they beat, you know, Penn State. They beat Oklahoma State obviously UNC was conference game but, you know, back in back in December, that's why it's so disappointing because if it, if tech went 11 and 9 with a couple of good wins, this common scheduled a issue in the tournament with their anonymous, But they just, they just fell apart. Stop. It's not like it was last year where the non-conference hurt the team it this year and actually boosted it. But let's be honest about that non-conference. In some of those early games, I mean, what 12:11, and 112 and one in non-conference, but there were cracks there, they were, you know, we saw it to us it was always the three-point shooting because I told Brian, I said we can't live and die shooting 29 28 percent from point 35. 5:36, there's a chance. Was there anything else you noticed in those early wins? You know the Penn State when the win over ODU the Oklahoma State win.

10:09 Was there anything you noticed? At istic Ali that said that keeps trending. What's going to happen is going to happen. Yeah, so statistically I think the three-point shooting was abnormally bad like bad against in-state is about against ODU. I was a couple weeks ago, so I get some numbers where I found that Virginia Tech's current three-point percentage, as a team would ranked the lowest of any Mae Kang team since 2011. So, I think that kind of says a lot like they're just not clicking for whatever reason. And I don't know if it's maybe like oh you know lesser quality of looks or are they just not good to get the ball to the right spot? But yeah, just three point shooting for every It's not perfect, there's not been there.

10:50 I know it's kind of obviously improved the last few games. I'm sure they'll get the rise as the season progresses but yeah. Just the weird the weird thing tuning you know Padilla's kind of kind of fell off a little bit and yeah I just I never really honestly I never could have imagined that losing Hunter Couture would have had such a drastic impact you know I know it's not it's not a me to make excuses but it's like we start the season 11 21 and he was 45 games, all five games without you know, a guard like Couture who granted, you know, he's not. But he's a good player but he's not like you know MVP of the league or anything. I mean you lose all those games with him. Plants just completely falls apart. You know, you just can't beat any of those teams. It's like, you know what happened? Like I think it kind of shows the value has, but it's also like, man.

11:32 Like what why are we? So, depending on one player that's kind of what it's kind of, what I want to know. Yeah, it's interesting because I mean we've had either rotations where Hunters went off the floor in the past that hasn't impacted as much as it does. It seems like with this rotation this season, you know, he missed, you know, a decent number of games, Stretch, what is it? Do you think about his skill set that this team kind of leans on and what it was missing when he was out? Well, he's a great green Setter, he's a great cutter, you know, I do film reviews all the time for the key play and when I'm going back and watch the game, it's like almost every single time that Tech runs a beautiful offensive set or an offensive action could towards in the middle of it, you know, because he's the one send the screens and there is a very much, you know, a precise art to screen setting the way Cuts another basketball, the way moves without the basketball, the way passes. And my tongue said the way he receives the ball, another kind of money detail there, but the way it catches the ball which obviously the forearm fracture, kind of a And then also is defense, you know he's a very good Defender. He has good footwork.

12:33 He's hard to you know kind of kind of body up and get past, it doesn't feel very much. She doesn't bite for dumb shot. Fakes and then the shooting obviously kind of self you know he's a guy that can go off for six reason one night. He's a, he's a good shooter but also a high volume should, which is a very rare, I mean, shooting 40% from three on a very high volume and I think that's, you know, one of the best marks in the country if you looked into his attempts. So, I mean, he just does everything like all those little things and then the things you See in the box score and the things you don't see in the box. Or I mean it's just you just does everything. Yep. It's true. He does everything in his defense. I mean you could probably tell this to me, I mean how many where does he as far as taking charges this year? Even with four games missed, it felt like the early part of the Season.

13:14 Every game he got two or three charges taken, which is crazy. But again, that's great position. Defense, that's great being in the right spot. And so many times just doing that, it helps what it helps in general is the other team now is not going to attack him. That way. So it's going to be easier for the rest of the team because they know they're not going to attack him that way. He's already drawn a charge, they can't get good shots off. So a lot of easy things. Let's pivot to something else, though. Let's talk about minutes now. Darius Maddox Miss. Tonight's game as he did Saturday's game. So he's not been in a while but kind of starting with the Duke game. We saw his Minix get significantly cut. He only had six minutes in that you game, where kid and Collins the two primary guys off the bench, got 20 and 22 Petit was at six.

14:07 And before that, though he had been he'd always been up there and for some reason, this year We know he's a good player, but for this some reason this year he just could not find it on. Do you think? Is he going to come back? If you'd heard anything, is it? You know, is he coming back? Is everything okay? Because I think that's the first warmers is he's not there if he's there, you could say, maybe he's sick and hurt something. He's just not on the bench and, you know, we all want to make sure he's okay before anything else. Yeah. So I know absolutely nothing about his status for The Growers who are joining the team. I know it's a family matter of seems pretty serious. If we're to take Mike young at his word which I will as far as its playtime. But you mentioned I think if but Maddox is that he is not a very physical driver. He has, he has trouble sort of attacking the rim because he's kind of a kind of as a thin frame, and just doesn't really seem to be.

14:58 No, just really know what he's doing all the time, kind of awkward when he wants to finish. So it is not driving the basketball. Then he has to shoot threes, but his three-point shot is in there this year. So instead, he sell In for mid-range jumpers, which are kind of an inefficient shot. And I was he said some but it's not the best shot. It's not the shot you one, which is why if you look at you know the analyst has his room and free rate is down a lot. You want to be shooting, ideally shots, the rim and shots from three and he's not getting those as much as his counterparts, you know, defensively. I think he's been kind of, you know. So so but you see with Collins? I mean MJ Collins is a guy that you know was six or four fish athletic, you know, very athletic Wing, who can get to the cup, occasionally plays good defense, I think so, Why he's been playing an edge, I think Mike young has given him the green light because he's been so good as a freshman on both ends of the court.

15:48 And I just think with Maddox you know it's I think his role ideally this is just my opinion. I think it role would be better suited to come off the bench as well. Like a spot-up shooter type which was his role last season. You know, just come off give like maybe 15, 20 minutes off the bench max. You hit a few 3s would be like a spell, you know, spot-up shooter, catch and shoots have a guy. I just don't know. Game is really built to Be, you know, a stray full-time starter at the ACC level. I just, I just think he's he just doesn't really have that in his game. Yeah, and it worked in spots as we went down the stretch run last year, especially in the tournament. But it seems like sustaining that over the full course of a season. He hasn't been able to get it done in that role and I definitely agree with you.

16:29 I think kind of a guy you bring Off the Bench to be a spot shooter. A guy you put in the lineup when you want, you know, your three-point guys on the court, but maybe not that full time. Started that we seen at the start of the year. Let's talk a little bit more. I know we got your kids had some good minutes poteete had some good minutes tonight. Do we look at Maddox? Are we kind of going to get some of the minutes replaced in aggregate with those players with Collins with with kid, on the court as well? And I yeah I think they've done a man as well. Yeah. Actually came in is a good guy to bring up because I thought he played us all game can Syracuse you know Miss hey miss his first few shots you know which kinds but you know he handed a very good end of the game on a very good note.

17:16 Play good defense. Got a few rebounds, have some assess. I just, you know, right now, you know, college is a, got our, excuse me. Yeah. Camden rather came in is a guy that hasn't played college basketball essentially ever before the season, because he was hurt last year at Memphis and his first season. So he's sort of like a red shirt freshman. Ali or I mean, you might as well say true freshman because he really hasn't played much at all or been able to, you know, practice much at all, I like him, you know. It kind of has that like sort of small forward, power forward, type role. Ideally, if you can work on a three-point shot, that'd be great. Because I think that's where most of his value would lie. And, you know, talk about, you know, kid and petite. You know, it, depending on what the matchups are, if you want to go big and put those guys in, so, I think, you know, the depth, the depth puts forward is fine. It's just, you know, when you're missing Maddox, obviously and then having to play college as a freshman as good as he is. Is you're going to kind of go through those Growing Pains? It's just it's a tough situation sometimes. So I think the wing depth is really hurt the Hokies this season and it's gotten better but that's probably the one area where I'd look at and say you know the the plate is really holding this team back.

18:20 Absolutely. All right let's pivot next to this guy. Alright, so it took forever for him to play and then he plays and we're excited or cited against it when he played in that Syracuse game. First time we saw him Rodney rice and then he gets hurt. He breaks his finger. For all of us is just like this, like oh my gosh, but let me just ask you because I'm sure you reviewed a lot of his tape in recruiting being down there. You know you've seen him play how How much of an impact you think that skill set would have on this roster? Let's say he was healthy from Jump Street back in November. Well a lot. I mean I will say you know I didn't watch it kind of hits one high school but just you know, seeing how you placing it in practice, you need to kind of super long and athletic. He's a versatile playmaker.

19:08 He can sort of you know, beat you off the bounce. I think the one thing about the mechanic system is that he typically recruits, you know, guys who can shoot guys who are skilled over those long athletic slasher types, which is more of the Biryani rice model, you know, sort of what dearest Max ideally would be prices guy when you have the extra component of like a slasher who just get to the cup and and score at will, I mean that provides so much even if it's only in a bench trial, like 10 to 10 to 12 minutes a game. I mean, that's, you know, that provides a ton especially, because he's a point guard. So radically he would be giving Sean Padula more minutes on the bench to rest, and then you can slide him, you know, at the one played guitar with them essentially, because I don't think that or I just don't like him. You know, being here like, you know, secondary point guard role I just I don't like his, you know, his vision necessarily worse.

19:55 I don't think as like the speed or the handles to be effective in that role. Obviously is a shooting guard, that's what he is. So dealing with race, you could just have him play the back of 1 which would you know, give give padule-- some more rest and have Couture and everybody else playing their normal positions. So yeah, it's definitely been a big loss. I mean, like you thought, you know, Curtis you alluded to the fact that Tech was alone in one and non conference and that was without any rice. So it's not like this team is, you know, desperate I'm needing a guy like that, but it would provide a lot of boost, I think a conference play especially once he kind of gets his legs going. Yeah. And when we look at this, we've seen so many different kinds of versions of this hokey team this year between Couture being out in some of the forward and Center rotations that they've had what version, what lineup, what what, ideal playstyle?

20:45 What game, what? Yeah, what yeah, what game showed the kind of the mold of what, the Hokies need to play over this the stretch run of the season. So they can Potentially secure a spot in the tournament without having to rely on running the table in Greensboro. Yeah, I mean if you're talking about a specific game I would say you know I would say Syracuse but that's little bit different because of the you know the defense they run the kind of attacked a lot differently but just looking at the you know, the games here. I mean you know, Oklahoma State I thought was actually a really impressive win because their team similar to Texas. Very big physical, they play good defense, not the best offensive team, but Tech won that game playing very poorly. I think they shot.

21:27 What are they shoot? You know, 45 percentage and everything shot. 35% 43, which one very good. But They graded on a five-point against good team on a neutral site like that. That's type of wind where I was like, okay, this team is legit like, they're better than last year. You know, didn't quite turn out that way but, you know, the UNC win look good. Obviously, they didn't have baked cod, so I kind of played it but, you know, they took a another top 25 team in my opinion, 1 by 8 against them and then Dukas, well, I mean, I still think Duke is good, you know, after the Buddha was lost to to the Hokies they beat Georgia Tech by 43. So, So, you know, that's team in my opinion that is still kind of in that top 25 range even though they're not ranked, but Tech was able to beat them. They shot well from three, they play, you know, they got enough defense of stuff from the used to and they were building his about shaming Philip house key you know, 7-foot who handles the ball, the fitguard.

22:17 Yeah. Mark Mitchell 06:48 being guarded by him to Collins like that's you know, that's a pretty big disparity there but they were they were able to get the win. So I mean just stuff like that. You know when you shoot you the ball, you just get enough defensive stops. You know, I think this is a team that it's never like, we are never going to play great defense under Can it just has to be that sort of like, borderline competent level, where we can get enough stops. So we're still friends, can, you know, can can give us a chance. So, your games, like that, Oklahoma State UNC, I mean, even the dating game, as well as probably much more accurate reflection of what this team can be, but it just hasn't really materialized in conference play. All right? I got one more question before we put it over to women's Hoops of the losses, which one pissed you off the most, which one?

22:58 Why were you sitting there? I'm going to bring it to the head a little bit before we got on. Um, did you literally finish the game? Whether you're a castle or sitting there in your apartment? You just like I want a drink cuz I'm freaking angry. Like what the hell just happened? Which game which game I would say, based on how it played out? Okay, this is my honest answer, it was BC. It was not for not for any particular reason except for the fact that I just hate losing to that team because we cannot beat them. We cannot beat them at that damn building. What is the kanji for him only? General cannot win on that. By the way, I mean, did you see their win tonight? I mean, I don't know what it is.

23:41 I mean, it doesn't make sense. We all do.

24:38 And by the way, we're going to talk football schedule later with you. So we were so happy when they ditch divisions, right? So happy we don't have to go to PC anymore. Damn ACC. Hey, one more year and you're going to go on the road to be see one last time, we'll talk about that later. I brought let's go over to women's hoops man. Um let's just be realistic. This is a super talented Hokies women's team. They I've dropped a couple against similar ranked against Notre Dame. There is there is no shame in losing to Notre Dame but the Elegance Miami that one that one irritates me because it's like we know we're better than them. Then lost the dude.

25:21 Last week Dixit stop pointing there's no ill will in that but what's the realistic ceiling in your opinion under Kenny Brooks this year? How far can this team go? Yeah, so when it comes to postseason basketball, I try not to talk in terms of ceiling, just because I know that the term is so random and so I don't want to define success or failure based on, you know, very specific individual outcomes. I will say that if I'm just judging based on Talent, like if I were to run like a thousand simulations that this season and some sort of computer model, I think that seemed absolutely has a talent to go to the Sweet 16 and I think they could make Italy day. Now, final fours are different, it's a different ballgame because the talent distribution, women's basketball is really Much more so than men's toward of that sort of at the top, like he got obviously the Yukons and the South Carolina is like, if you just look like this, those things are so much you know, farther ahead than every other team. Whereas I think in men's you have a you have a little bit more parity.

26:16 So I, you know, I don't want to Define them too much, but, you know, if they can make a Deep Run in the ACC tournament, it certainly cable. If they can get to the Sweet 16, I would say, I would say this Curtis, they have to win the first weekend because because we are in women's basketball if you don't, if you don't know, you host the Regionals. Yeah. Yeah, whatever you call it, the first round, the second round. So there are 64 the round of 32 you host at at the, at the upper seed. So if text hosting that, like, you got to win that. That's no. Excuse. You're playing at home, you're playing. It's, you know, probably like a 7-seater, you know, 15 seed. So you just get, you got to win that first weekend laws. Do I goes, Florida Gulf Coast and makes like, 600 threes or shoot, 60% from three? I mean, yeah.

27:03 Against some of the tougher opponents they played to really play strong for three quarters, and then kind of fading that forth. Have you observed, anything? That would kind of explain you why? This team may fade a little bit down the stretch in those games? Yeah. So I haven't paid as much scrupulous attention to the women's team has have the men's, but I will say, just from what I've converted kind of observed, what? Met Brooks won't make it there at the most athletic team that's just, not the way they're built their Biltmore in like high IQ players, who, you know, who know, who know the game, who can move the ball, that's kind of their MO. And I think sometimes when that happens, if you're not really like athletically dominant your sometimes, you're going to run two opponents where you can, you know, kind of outwork you physically, and I think sometimes that's, that's happened to them.

27:47 I'm just in terms of you know, the shot creation, you know, dribble penetration to the railroad stuff is kind of based on athleticism. So if the shots aren't falling occasionally, you're going to run into some misses and also, you know, Liz keightley is very that draw so much attention, like she will get double team, she'll get Triple team sometimes, and that's a lot harder to pass out of than it looks. I mean, she's got a lot better with that, you know, in terms of her her IQ, her Awareness on the curtain on the court knowing where the double teams are coming from. But she's if teams are targeting her You know, that means that other players have to be on the top of their game. And if they're not, then it becomes really hard because it's, you know, not easy to neutralize her. If you're double-teaming her triple, triple teaming her on every possession.

28:28 You've got to have some ball up. That's just, that's just how it works. So it's kind of been coming on. Other players to serve, step up and sometimes, you know, it doesn't happen. Look like the way you should. But that being said, there's still a top 20 in the country, in my opinion. So I think, I think they'll be fun. I think you've already answered this next question. We have, you already talked about. We already talked about you know, tournament success I mean is the disappointment essentially not getting out of the first weekend at home Yes, mainly, because we're hosting like, you know, you got your home crowd with you and I think ideally you'd like to see Tech be three or four C at worst. I right now, they're ranked 13. So they're going to be a three or four seed ideal first, just that nothing goes, terribly wrong throughout the at the end of the year. So you're playing a 14 seed to start and then you would get probably the I guess would be the 611 winter after that. So I mean those those should do winnable games again on your home court where you're going to be favored. So definitely they, I would love to see this. Steam make it out of the out of the first weekend. Find anything else.

29:31 Go ahead? Yeah, I will say, I definitely agree with that. Yeah, I think the, you know, the mark of failure would be okay. Well, back-to-back first-round exits. I was especially early, especially when you're hosting, so that would definitely be a disappointment. Let's flip it over, though. Let's flip it over to Hokies wrestling, which we know you have been sending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've seen you reporting live from the field. There's yeah. Let's run it back to NC State first. Let's run it back to NC State. 5143 in Castle. Big-time atmosphere for wrestling. What was that? Like, it was awesome, man. You know, I went with my track, I went with my boys outdated Cunningham and a few others and we just had a good time. I think wrestling is a very underrated college sport. I would say pound for pound.

30:21 It is probably one of the more energetic. Atmospheres of any sport you ever see just because it gets into it, you know, when two guys are going In the clock's ticking down, there's that there's little, the noise level, it's just awesome. And it's something that like I haven't experienced about my life because I've only been to a handful of wrestling matches. But when you get in there and you see you know the intensity, which it's awesome man. So it was super, super good to get that win because I know interstate is sort of like the premier program. Not that Tech isn't but like they are one of the Premier programs in the ACC and in the country. So so one of the good stem is like a win against UConn basketball. Like it's a it's a program to finding win. Yeah, it really is or one of the best in the country. I want to talk about a part of that atmosphere. That might was Andy Smith.

31:04 The local kid when he secured that. When, like, you've been in Castle for basketball games, we know did that place shape when he got that final when he just secured the win. And got that point for essentially the upset, I don't know if it shook but say it was just as loud as if as if you know 100 or hit a game-winning three in Castle like that, it was loud man. And I believe I believe he was a second to last match of the night. If I'm not mistaken about that. Max hold on was it was definitely towards the end. I don't know. I don't know exactly where yeah there, but so I think yeah. So he got like a takedown or something to go up at the very end and then the he said, he was up by like, maybe like one or two and to the NC State player were, the wrestler was trying to get a takedown of him.

31:52 It kind of had a like, you're up on one leg, sort of trying to, you know, Wrestling down and he did a great job of Defense, you know, staying upright time expired. So again I don't know anything about wrestling tintocalis, be good. Just tell like he did a great job of sealing out that match and that was what allowed Tech to to win the match. Ultimately so yeah, that's great job by him. Yeah, it was the next to last match. But what it did is it effectively put Tech up enough with Hunter, Hunter, kataka loss, but that wasn't expected loss. Yes, one of my fraternity, Brothers, David fuel, I've mentioned it before on here. He wrestled at Longwood He College, he is my go-to on wrestling, literally, I am seriously. If he feels like, it's going to be tough for him. He's a CPA.

32:35 I'm seriously, when we go to Nationals, we might have him on for 15 minutes because he knows enough about it. And me, and him had a conversation after Bryce after Bryson, on the absolutely destroyed, a top-10 wrestler and I said, does Bryce have a chance? And he says, yeah, because the guy that wanted 157 went to 165 And he says, 157 is not. As fact, he says, Bryce of Donna has a legitimate shot to win a National Title. And when we say that, I think Sam, what Anna does definitely. Oh, yeah, those. And that, I mean, it's excitement with something like that. I mean, even with the upset about it, and it sucked and we came out to gain, got pin, but you know, what's the overall Community there? I mean, is it similar to football and basketball where the community is Behind this program. Definitely, you can sense it.

33:30 I mean, if you look at like, the growth of the program in the past, you know, 55 10 years it's been pretty to watch. Like, I know, you know, back in the 2000's like I'm a tech was horrible at wrestling like they were talking about cutting the program, so to see where kind of where it's come from our wisest, pretty pretty amazing. I know they've they've found a lot on Jay with it scrt. See at the Southeast Regional Training Center, couple guys, you know, practice and all that stuff. So they've had the financial backing of organizations like that. So I think they just, you know, the port the infrastructure to really win at a high level. I just can't wait to see what they can do, what they can do in the future. Yeah, I mean you know, we were we started following well, I shouldn't say following football, bit attending a lot of hockey football other hokey events in the 2000s.

34:18 And definitely within that era it was definitely an afterthought you know, wrestling wasn't really even given given any sort of credence from a sports perspective in Virginia Tech Athletics. So the fact that it's built that much of a reputation that quick is really important. Oppressive and I love that the community's really kind of embraced that and jumped on board. Yeah. And it's great to see and eat and I think it's any time you get to the National prominence that quickly and when it's on television, which the ACC could do a better freakin job of. Because I last time we were on here, I ran and I don't understand how Cornell Virginia Tech was not on the SEC network. It was literally the number 7 and the number 8 wrestling schools in the country.

35:05 Going at it. It and instead, it was a freaking 3430 right there at 7:00 and it's just like terrible production, but, you know, give me, give me a few more drinks. I mean, I really go off on the SEC network. Yeah, we'll break out the thus, Pirtle tapes and lay them out. I shall hang on what this here before we get into some more fun topics tonight. We are going to take a quick pause for a message from our digital partners. As we take a quick break, we'd like to tell you about getting your free website report from our digital partner, Grassroots, digital marketing Studio. They'll tell you how your website ranks on Google on-site, SEO and social media. No commitment to buy anything. You can get your free report by visiting. Grassroots digital studio.com forward slash free Dash website, Dash report.

35:54 Alrighty. So, Sheldon, thanks for staying with us for the rest of the time. And we are going to get into some hokey football. We are the boundary Corner. We are a Hokie Football podcast. Cast. It's fun to talk the other stuff. We love it. We love having guests. Like you on, you mentioned David Cunningham who's been on numerous times. We thought about bravery. You think we should bring David for the December episode one time? Run got to do it. You got. Yeah we got we got to get David Suburban with us. Exactly, let's talk football and let's talk portal because since the last time we come here, there was the end of the portal and there was some movement in the last few days and sort of a big move, I did not see coming. Bronze all coming but maybe you did. Shelton was Keyshawn, team enters the portal. You know, King coming off of, you know, solid season. Probably the best.

36:42 He'd look, since being at Tech including his freshman year, you know, over 400 yards, rushing 100 yards. Receiving that is our code jump friend, Robbie Compton. Um let's let's show up and start with it run. When did you see this coming? Did you hear anything or were you shocked? That he decided to enter the portal. No, I was very surprised. I did not see that coming at all, you know, I thought King Elvis had a good season. For us last year. And I bring a year from, he was healthy, like he was easy time of the doghouse during the Clinton era, you know, for reasons that, you know, maybe some Justified, maybe not.

37:24 But, you know, he's also got with injuries and so to see and have a breakout year. Like, this was pretty, pretty awesome. I think he, I don't like him as an every down to the back, I think he's just too small for that to the type of role. So I'm guessing maybe he saw. Kind of the writing on the wall, he saw the transfer is coming in and just felt like he wasn't really going to get the carries that he wanted. I'm not, you know, trying to project onto him. Just you know how it goes most of the time so let's pricing move. But you know in the long run if if if what people are saying about this inkling back from in C and T is true, I think it's not going to be the biggest deal in the world because we got some, got some studs at running back. Yeah. We were talking about that because if you're looking at, you got Thomas, you got now to Dan come in, who were going to talk about the second, you know, Keshawn King kind of becomes that more change of pace back.

38:10 He's also probably impressed for some carries by Bryce. Is Dooku, kind of do similar type things and maybe coming into his own, in terms of, you know, being a little bit more durable than King is shown in his career. So when you kind of put all those pieces together it kind of makes sense for him to maybe look at another opportunity but let's go ahead and flip it over. Let's talk about Bay Schulte uddin Ali stud coming out of NC A&T. I mean stud Top 15 in the portal ranked by on three. He is the 15th ranked running back in the portal ahead of some guys. You know that played at ahead of Kobe Pace, right? About right with Kobe pay.

38:55 Someone from Clemson to UVA the Penn State transfer. Where did it go? I'm on a new computer. So this is a pain in the but it doesn't do it. I want to do yet the key vonlee from pin ephiny, efforting efforting efforting, just the William Thomas that went from 10. I see to Cal and come out. Nothing nothing Auntie was his only show the law for them. 24/7 he's up at a pulse in New Jersey, 511 195, but I mean, you look at the tape and what he did at A&T last year stat-wise, I love the move. I love it. Yeah, and I mean I watch some tape on the kid.

39:37 I mean he does a little bit of everything he can. He can catch some balls out of the backfield. Make guys missing space. He's really good at finishing runs. Has that next gear when he gets to the second level? Third level the defense where he can kind of pull away for the big run. So, kind of does a little bit of everything for us. I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do a little bit in the spring to kind of get a better feel of what he's going to do in this offense. You know, if he enrolled are ya, Dad, I do not know what were you about to say, I'm sorry, I was wrapping it up. So you're just kind of like, oh yeah, just like Brian saying I read French is a film review on the key play, you know, he's obviously he's physical, he's got some speed, he's elusive, I basically the since I got reading that piece was like, this is not a guy that should be planned at the FCS level, like he's a legit power 5 running back. So I think it kind of adds a lot. To that room.

40:38 And like you said, you know, one of the top ranked one of the top during transfers and you add to that alley Jennings who I believe. According to on three was a tough, bring Spencer wide receiver. So you add those two guys, I mean, that's a pretty good transfer class. Like, I know, Bill Connelly, who, who does the SP plus rankings for football? He said, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Tech's transfer class was super impressive. So coming from a guy like him, like that's got to be High, Praise. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's and he also is talking about the return production on top of those transfer portal, guys. He he's got us here. Talking about us which, you know, I'm trying to temper the expectation. We still got to see what all the pieces look like together. So that's why we're tempering up expectations, but we actually have some pieces moving into the season whereas last year, was kind of like we got a hope a lot of things happen.

41:26 We got a hope, a lot of things happen, right? And it didn't for us, but I feel like we, at least have pieces that are in place. Let's see if the coaches can get the scheme to where they can take advantage of those. And let's see these guys go out there and cook a little bit abso-freakin'-lutely. But speaking of getting to the season, before we do that, you got to go through winter workouts and clearly that is now on display social media team, doing a great job, showing the guys showing the workouts and then they started coming out with the little recognition every week in the winter workout. Tough athletes and thus far, Johnny Garrett, Jalen Stroman, Morel Pollard and Jaden Keller have a seat Really received the awards Brown, I let you leave. Who are you?

42:11 Happy is to see on this list of essentially, crushing the winter workouts, can I hedge can, I can, I can, I, can I give you 1 a 1 B? There is no one anyone but you got. All right, screwin Johnny Garrett, I knew you was going on. What? So why do I say, Johnny? Garrett, because we need tackle help. If Johnny Garrett can get to a point where he is, at least pushing Parker Clements coming into 2023. I feel a whole lot better about the offensive tackle situation than I felt last year because I feel like we at least have three legitimate guys that can at least give you something, they can least be that starting caliber player.

42:58 Or whether they're going out there and beat the world. I don't know if we'll get to that point this year, and I don't think we will, but I just want to see confident offensive line, play consistent, offensive line play. Because we didn't see that a whole lot last year. So if Johnny Garrett can get to that point and push for a starting role in 2023, that'll be a big step forward. So seeing him getting some recognition, is a good start to that offseason. All right. What about you shell? Who are you? We do need dogs up front, who are you? Excited to see on that list. Sort of already making an impression on winter workouts. I would say Keller between between want to mention. I mean he's a stud the kind of lesson to stud man that linebacker room is is pretty good. I do have some insight scoop to report if I made my mouse inside of here.

43:49 So I was at P K's on Saturday night after the Hokies, whenever Syracuse and Brent was in attendance. He may or may not have had several drinks and he may or may not have used several several four-letter words to describe the the state of that of that. Room and a very positive connotation, right. But only basically between Keller Lawson and I believe, McDonald is a third, a third linebacker. He thinks that line back room could be one of the best in the country in the coming years and I believe him like that. Those guys are just awesome and I love Kelly's, like range and versatility athleticism, the length and all that stuff, and and color as well too. So I'm super excited about about that room.

44:29 Also, I love seeing all the names on here. I love, I love your inside scoop from P K's on Saturday night after cocktails with He's very, he's a very candid, Man. By the way? He, yes, time, we met him when he did, the party tailgate out there in Richmond and Hardy would so, yeah, we definitely, he definitely knows how to work a room. He definitely knows how to how to, how to play loose with with, with people that he knows he can play loose with, so I appreciate that for sure. Yeah, now y'all like those two. I'm going to tell you the guy, I like because it's somebody we mentioned in our Alpha Dogs episode and it's Jalen strowman. I told Brian. Ron, we discussed that eventually Jalen Stroman would be the leader of the D-Block. I see this.

45:12 He is getting that way a lot quicker. We already saw him play on the field last year. He looked good in really his first significant amount of action especially those games when he was pressed to have to move back to free safety when Shamari came down to play nickel. And now, he's out here absolutely falling on winter workouts. We know the bloodline We know his brother essentially was a leader at the Block. That makes me excited in brown. I'll go ahead and say it too. It's all so excited to see Pollard up there because we talked about how Pollard probably is going to be the leader of the defensive line this year vocally. And so when you see that in Britain Prime mentioned it, last offseason, the winter workouts is where you figure out who your leaders.

45:54 Are you figure out who your dogs are and when you see it's guys you know they're going to be on the field. A lot in someone like Johnny Gat who Look into the too deep of two times on the depth chart are in the season. That's what you want to see in my opinion. Yeah, it's definitely a big step forward, I think so. And we talked about it. We said we talked about in the last episode of the Alpha Dog episode. We were like these are the guys that are going to need to step up the offseason. It's nice to see three names that we mentioned in that episode already being recognized and then it's nice to see kind of that dark horse in Johnny Garrett taking a big step forward and hopefully it's not just something that's, you know, a workout Warrior type situation. They were going to start seeing that production carry over to what happens on the field.

46:38 Lately, a couple other notes fontelle. Mine got paid. He got paid a lot. Well, dessert very well. Deserved the man, the man has eight, the 804 for lunch and dinner and he's doing some good work. Laying some Foundation out of the 75-72 gets a big bump from 150k up to 425. I like it. I mean, and if and when we look at the movement in the footprint, in terms of wide receiver coaches, that's also happened.

47:19 It was it was both warranted and needed. Yes, it was. Yes, I'm lucky. You got to pick, you got to pay coach these, whatever good football team. I mean, I talk to you know, last year In a future piece, I did for the key play. I talked about how Tech fell behind sort of during this intense. In terms of, you know, their infrastructure. There are some, their financial, you know, back in the program. And one of those areas was coaching salaries. I mean, we just didn't we just weren't investing and coaching stars as much as we should have been. And so to see that kind of change is last couple years where we invested in this new staff. Now you give fontelle, mine's a guy who's been doing a great job, recruiting, you know, a three or 30 percent, raise, or whatever it is like. That's, I mean, that's that shows commitment, and I'm really excited because It shows that they're committed to having him here. And I also think with wide receivers like that's a, that's a position because, you know, that's kind of how You know, it's such an integral part of the offense, like you got to get at those studs here and you kind of open the passing game. If you want have a functional, we're going to functional offense.

48:17 So it's a great, it's a great thing for found. Tell obviously, having for him, and certainly happy for Virginia Tech. Absolutely. And to make to the point on that case about the needing good wide receivers. It looked like they identified that after the off. So, after the season and weekly, you know, obviously the three guys in the portal with pretty quick moves, which I think this is Playing bass are very excited about and I have a feeling especially we know the alley Ginny's connection. We know how much he had probably in getting him here. As like you said, a top rated on three guy. So that was huge and he did deserve it. He's busting his ass. He's done great. Recruiting here. He started to put the wall around Richmond to where it's. Now he's getting everybody here it's can he get the next step?

49:00 Can he get those top five top ten guys in the you know, Greater Richmond region and this Year. We'll see. He has the opportunity. He does have the opportunity this year. Yes. All right and one thing to add to that, one thing I had that real quick, obviously we know for gtex offense was terrible last year, but the fact that fontelle could convince a guy like Alec Jennings with just your eligibility left to come play for him. I think speaks volumes. She was recruiting. Look obviously recruiting is all about selling cars on a vision. And so, I think what you're kind of seeing is like he's coaches, can sell players on what the future is going to look like and even if they're not necessarily part of it. So I think I think that's me. X to the recruiting building on.

49:40 Yeah, because I mean Jennings would have had a lot of opportunities elsewhere. He didn't have to come to a situation where Tech is coming off one of its worst offensive Seasons at least in recent history. If not in overall, I'll be teaching at the we had to go back 15 years. At least I really have any sort of comparable metric to look at in terms of offensive output. So the fact that he was able to sell that the fact that the other offensive churches were able to kind of put that together with what they were doing with a big push for drones, which seems like very calculated. Well, before we knew, what was going down with that, they had a vision, they had targeted guys that they really wanted to pursue and then they put it together.

50:24 And, you know, we now have an offense that we can, at least say, all right, we've got some Talent. Let's, let's see how we can put all the pieces together, and if we can make that click a little bit, absolutely. Um, if Doesn't know, already spring game April, 15 3 p.m. Shelton. I'm assuming you'll be their work schedule permitting. Yes, work schedule permitting from you're making plans, right? Oh yeah, I'll be there. No doubt book it, I'm a coin flip, I don't know. Yeah, we've got kids stuff going on and anytime there's a lot of kids stuff going on. I usually have to lay on it because as much as I want to go to the spring game, I'm going to a game this year so I'll lay on the grenade and loose spring game. Something interesting ACC network is doing this year, they are not, I don't think they're showing any game live because there's so many on the same days that are overlapping all going to be on extra and then they're going to show them, I believe the subsequent days.

51:19 So if you guys are looking to catch it after you, both go there and watch the game do that. Yeah, so there I think what they were trying to avoid is what they had last year where they were having, like, spring games played at night and shit like that. They were essentially saying it'll be on the SEC network extra if you want. want to watch it Live program by program and then if not if you if you just get the network then you'll see it when it airs, re-airs, whatever, one day, two days later, It makes us from a scheduling standpoint. Is that scheduling last year was a little bit Bonkers. I mean we probably got We got both screwed in terms of the day, but we got, I think we came out.

52:02 Okay? In terms of the time. Yeah, but you know, it's tough. So they went to this, this, this model this year. Once again, the ACC doesn't know how to schedule shit, they don't like you. Like you've got dew point super early spring game every year. It's like there are four weekends in April that you could schedule these and you could get this This shit done, anything you want to add because it seemed like you were coming behind me. Sheldon with some know, they're what they're going to do is show a documentary about Wake. Forest is 1964 basketball, team hit the rim shot there. By the way, we got Robbie says he's going to try to go Braun.

52:45 All right? So so Robbie, you're robbing me, man. Aren't you gonna drive to North Wilkesboro? Get him, and then go up. He's gonna have a shorter Drive than you meet me at Jason's me a ronin. Buddy Levar is going as well, but let's flip it. Brian, let's talk one last before we close out tonight. Let's talk about the ACC schedule was released yesterday. Best thing about the Hokie schedule was we knew who our first for opponent was based on the other leagues already having their schedule set? And you know we lead off with ODU on the second Labor Day weekend Purdue at home on the 9th and then back-to-back Road games at Rutgers and Marshall as the S4 and you know, subsequent everybody saw anybody seen it now from last night so I'll throw. What do you guys Sheldon?

53:36 The slow with you. What's the toughest for game stretch of this season times 4 again stretched? Well let me pull it up real quick. I mean I would say once you start conference play you know I would say it was. Let's go September and October so pit Florida State Wake Forest. All right. Um, I mean that's, you know, I just, I never liked the match with pit. Like they've got a big physical defensive, like, we just, we don't play them very well. You know, obviously last year being a private primary example, you know, for to say it's the road and he's gone Mike Norvell, that's a really tough.

54:16 I don't anticipate, you know, game like 2018 where they fumble the ball six times and we you know recover every single one of them so and he got wait for its now. Wake wake is Resting because they're listening to him Hartman but they have Mitch Griffiths who was as backup last year. I saw him in the view, my game is first game of the season actually played pretty well. I think he's got a good arm. There's going to be some sort of, you know, drop off there. But with Clausen I trust him to kind of get the most out of his offensive guys. So you know, that's a game where it's like you know you kind of got to be on your toes a little bit and then Syracuse kind of probably started off. Good locked. I think there are five a note taper off towards the end but there are team that you know you got to take seriously. So That's me, touch your ex that those games October. I mean, it's it's really tough.

55:02 Yeah, I was looking at the schedule. I agree with you. In terms of the four game stretch, it's got to be there's first for to open ACC play and then looking at the schedule as a whole, you know, we really have a lot of we outside of Clemson is there. Really? Any sure thing in the ACC, like I feel like there's, there's not, I was like, I feel like, yeah, Florida State's probably the close close This because they're not retooling, as much as saying. NC State who also has probably a pretty good roster as well, but they're not retooling as much as they are. But just looking at it top to bottom. I mean you know pits bringing in obviously a new quarterback that is familiar with ACC play but at the same time is yeah, unfamiliar with the system, may be getting them early in conference. Play might be working in our favor but it's still, you know, a month into the season.

55:56 Who knows with that? FSU are they back is FS you back. I think this is the season that kind of maybe answers that question. You know as you said you already talked about wake breaking in a new quarterback can Syracuse defense hold up enough. Without having an elite rushing attack or an elite rusher, I should say, you know, we'll see their Louisville. First year under Brom BC is kind of a clusterfuck in their retooling. They're probably the only I'm unsure thing. It's in Chestnut Hill. Damn it. It is in Chestnut Hill. So so you know they've got that in their corner, you know NC State is going to be playing with a new quarterback but they're still going to be a good team.

56:43 They're still going to be good on defense. They are losing their most of their linebacking Corps. Those. So that's something to keep an eye on and those are the big time play makers, then you got UVA that maybe Edging towards dumpster fire, maybe, but they were much improved on defense last year. So we'll see if their defense takes another step or they can kind of, you know, figure take some time to figure it out on offense. They may be at that point at that point in the season. But there's so many question marks with just about every team, not being Clemson and maybe Florida State in this conference, all right, I'm going to say, I agree with two of the four. Y'all chose as the toughest for drain stretch.

57:26 But I'm going to go this, I think it's Rutgers. Marshall Pittman Florida State. There's three Road games in four weeks and you got to play pit to shelters. Point plan, that big defensive line Rutgers is Greg Schiano. We know they are going to play an ugly brand of football, everybody even though it was Kyle flood his Protege. Everybody remembers the damn Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, back in 2012 and what an ugly game that was. So you're going to get an ugly game up there with a defensive minded head coach, then you gotta go on the Road to Marshall. And, you know, they are going to be similar to ODU and anybody else we faced in state or a close proximity in the last five years, they are going to be. So up for that game, they are going to probably be sold out, just probably an insane atmosphere for them.

58:13 Then you got to flip around, then you got to play pit, then you got to go to FSU and also put that stress because that is also a stretch where it could really break, or make or break the season. Because if you screw up and lose the Rutgers, or the Marshall game, which is very, very palpable, you could be going into the pit game, two, and two, or maybe even one in three. And then it's just like, okay, well now you got to beat pitted home. And look at the rest of the schedule. And that's kind of where I said, I that's why I consider it tougher than the other ones. Because at least we're getting a Thursday night and off a bye week.

58:54 With Syracuse, at least Sam Harmon isn't playing I know you saw the kid play Sheldon versus VMI, but at least it's, it's not them at their best, we know clausen's against, but it's not them at their best. Besides, there was a three plus years starters. Exactly. Yeah. And tons of weapons all over the place or Boogie, really good defensive players. All right, let me, let me flip this. And and I feel like this is just, you know, it is what it is. What's gonna be the best home game this year? Or what were you thinking? They want to go to that next home game this year.

59:35 Who do you produce weight Syracuse and State? Man I would say I probably go State just because I think they're good team. So you know, if you're that your top may be a top 25 team coming into company Lane Stadium late in the season and Shop a few wins go. Like I know what 6 + 6 + 4 before that, you know, it'd be a big win for us. That's a game where maybe if like if they come in with like a name to record and practiced beat that it's like, okay, now we're back as a program so that's the, I think. Sir potential, potentially very big thick, a big opportunity for us.

1:00:16 All right. Well yeah I'm going to actually I'm gonna go pit just because of the history just because of its ACC opener there. I think there's a lot that's going to be kind of riding on that in terms of getting off to a good start in the ACC this year. So I'm gonna go pit. You know, I can definitely make a case for NC State and Purdue the only reason I'd lean away from Purdue because they replacing their coach. We don't really know what caliber team that's going to be but it's early in the season. So there's always He's that kind of hoping there's always that hype. So if they win their first game and coming to coming to Lane, especially after the season they had last year, there's going to be some some hype and build up behind that game as well.

1:01:01 But I still just because of the history just because of the ACC opener and just because it's a team that I think we need to win because we haven't historically done that well against them in recent years. So I think it's going to be the big game. It's a good barometer for sure. It's a good barometer for sure. I'm gonna disagree with both of you, because regardless of who it is, anytime there's a Thursday night Lane Stadium game. It's the special game. Now, what the hope is, we're going into that game playing really well, because we do have about a week leading up to it after the Wake Forest game.

1:01:41 So, it's that extra height because let's just be let's let's just call it what it is. If they could go into that game with two losses. After seven games and B, 5 and 2. Can you think about coming after the Wake Forest game and how people would be talking? Hey were five and two were playing. Well we chance to lock up a bulb, it right here on Thursday night where we wear, so many special moments have happened in the history of this program. So many special moments, And Sheldon, you're young. And this is, this is the great part about having you know how young you are. It's like the Quarry more game forever entrenched in our generation. I think someone like your age.

1:02:23 Do you remember the Darren Evans game? In, or you was Darren Evans versus Maryland when he legitimately truck the safety. I mean he frequently and I wasn't for my time. Okay, album I can't remember how young man waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting, I'm waiting for my time. This is your mama. There you go. Take goes in 70 and squashes Syracuse, 63 7, and then you have the moment for Thursday night. Yeah. But I'd love to see us blow out of here again. That'd be. That'd be one of those days where I'm just 2016. It just absolutely dump-truckin Carolina.

1:03:06 Just dump truck in that ass 55. What 5510? And it seemed like Ricky Walker's, everybody scoring a touchdown. It was just like God, I miss those days. I can off the high here. Toughest place to play this year. You already already know - Chestnut Hill Florida, State's going to be loud. Louisville's going to be banging Chestnut Hill early November, which we like 23 degrees because they're going to somehow put that game at ACC Network at night, and it's going to be the red bandana. Bridezilla going to be the red bandana game and I'm still going to lean away from that just because I feel like BC is just there going to be a notch below where they were overall Talent than they were last year. Even though I think they probably fill in some of the holes that roster had last year.

1:04:00 I think they're probably better on the offensive line this year than they were last year, but I still think overall, they're going to be a notch down. I'm looking at FSU, You I think I think that's kind of the maybe the low-hanging fruit here, but I'm going to take it. The game is going to be high. There's going to be some swag surfing. There's going to be some some chops. There's going to be a whole lot of noise and I think it's going to be a big one. It's going to be a tough one, but if we can go down there and do some business, then, especially if we take care of business the weeks before. There's no start being some conversations, so That's fine Sheldon. Yeah, it's got to be for his statement. They've got they've got a stud quarterback coming back. They've got a good head coach and we combine that with with the atmosphere they have, I know people talk about BC but it's like when you're when you're playing a really good team in a pack environment like that's really tough. So I got to go FSU.

1:04:58 All righty. One more thing before we kind of close it up here tonight. That's great to schedule. Let's kind of look at it because I mean, Florida, State's obviously, the big one like ice again, we're putting on it. But like, what you mentioned earlier, Brian, a lot of questions with a lot of these teams. A lot of questions. I mean, even on those days, you know, there's three there's four out of conference games, a lot of questions there. You know, where do we put this? You know, in terms of who were playing where we're playing on when we're playing them, where would you grade it Shelton. In terms of, I guess if you were to like excitability, I mean, how does he see? Personally, I know that just don't Arch. Maybe si si - like look, it's just, you know, Purdue and Rutgers and Marshall like how am I supposed to say? No to you made like that our Marquee game. Our Marquee home game is what Purdue? I mean, stay against just States, baby. Fatal pit.

1:06:02 Yeah, I mean, come on like I just can't get excited for that. Sorry like I hope we win all the games man, but it's just like, this is not, this is not a schedule that gets my juices flowing. It definitely doesn't blow the skirt up. You know, when you look at it, there's no real, you know, we were kind of I think grasping for a marquee home game, right? We had to we were hoping that that we had to tie some other things into it for to really kind of build up a marquee home game. And when you look at it, you know, you got Purdue, it's a solid out of conference opponent, but it's not anything to like really get excited about and I feel like that's kind of what the schedule is. You know, other than maybe FSU, there's a lot of decent gains, but there's nothing that really you kind of circle on the schedule and say, I'm really looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm with going to see the sea do, maybe, maybe because we get Florida State.

1:06:59 It's a c-plus schedule but it really We isn't in. And I think, for us, I think if it was Florida, I think if it was Florida State at home, You know, weight force on the road. It would probably get to the B category at least give you a b-minus. You got a murky home game. Well, just hold your horses because next year if y'all looked at next year yet I have but it's been so long, I couldn't tell you. Clemson is a home game in 2024 away games at Duke and Carolina. It's also here. The out of conference opponent is Vanderbilt that's in Nashville. Which a lot of people have already started talking about Nashville, on Labor Day weekend, sign me up NFL stadium, I believe Jason, he knows all the good spots the next season, probably ranges that because you get both Clemson in Louisville at home.

1:08:03 You know, you play off. We play three Carolina schools on the road. Wait, Duke and Carolina. So I think eventually we're going to see a good balance out where you're going to have some of those see pluses but you're going to be actually get some Aid - has to all right Brian it is 10:45 has anything broken. Since we started think Twitter, I haven't seen anything. I mean Lakers got to win. So no comment anything you say anything. Nope. All righty. Before we wrap it up the gentleman, we talk about all the time as our music guy Jason long.

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