State of the Program

0:58 Whether you like it or don't like it, learn the love it because it is the best thing. Go on. And welcome back to the Boundary Corner podcasts and a yearly holiday tradition unlike any other with the state of the program. Along with my partner Brian Siegler, hopefully you'll be joining us soon. Jonathan Talley, our special guests, Robbie Compton, our favorite coach, Where would the hell Phil went because Phil was on here when we hit the button and they said devices are not connected. So we are having some technical difficulties with Sally and Phil tonight, but we're working through those. But as we work through those, I want to say a big welcome to everybody.

1:57 This is State of the program Home for the Holidays edition. It is festive in this bitch. It is festive in this bitch. So hope everybody had a a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, all all the good holidays out there, every holiday you may. Celebrate. Yes, Sir. And I will say this is a special episode and we lost Robbie. Hey, technical issues be be damned. We're we're pushing forward, fellas. Special edition guys, 'cause this is home for the holidays. Pretend that we're at a bar. Pretend that we're at a bar. You're at home for the holidays. You're hanging out with guys that you've known for a while. And you know what, you got to hit that little QR code at the top and you'll be able to join us and talk a little bit with us.

2:44 And we'll kick it. We'll, we'll sip a little bit and it's going to be a good time. So anybody that wants to jump on, talk a little bit about these Hokies, feel free to do that. And we're going, we're going to get this thing going. Man, we got a lot of circling. Hey, we, we got Robbie in Clover, VA, good old Halifax County. The the Internet is is doing Halifax County Internet things. 100%. 100% but we got Phil Bomas on the Mari baby wonderful sponsor all pound hokey going to hokey game since he was in the. Womb 40. Plus, years ago, if anybody can beat Phil on the number of years they've been attending games, please join us tonight. But I like what Brian said, and this is kind of the way it's going to be this year.

3:32 Usually it's like the way it's been the last four years we've done this right. Four years, we started in 21, five years we did it in 2020. I don't remember anything anymore. But treat it this year like you're at a local bar with all your things you. Don't remember some of them. It is true. Well. Yeah, Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, mainly I'm. Not I'm not doing a whole bottle of white label Evan tonight. I I've got I've got the stone DIPA. One reason it's going to. Be a whole lot. Better than than that 19 where I just blacked out about 2/3 of the way through. Hokie football blacked out for like the past three years.

4:14 We need to get back through. They get off the couch. Mr. Talley. I made. Hey, stone cold sober on painkillers though with all those tooth problems. Man, there's been a struggle over here. They don't work unless you drink a beer. There you go. Or. 6 right, that's right, that's right but so so Ron was saying like treat this like a bar. We're here, we're at the bar we got a big table everybody's got drinks or something somebody might not be drinking because if he drinks, who knows what's going to happen with his pain medication. And the only agenda we have is what we're bringing to the table.

4:58 This is a very loose, loose operation. We're just going to kind of talk through what we're thinking on everything, how things are going and we want y'all's opinions too. Yep, because it is the state of the program and and that's is where do you feel we're at, whether it be financially, coach wise, player wise, anything you can think of. And you feel like you need to get off, get off your chest. So you know, and obviously over the every year, you know me, Tally Bron, Phil's jumped on a few times with us. He's disappeared, probably grabbing a beer right now. Robbie's jumping on with us. We're going to give you our honest opinions. We're we're not sitting here. There you go, Phil. We're we're not sitting here just like playing Christmas pictures, man. We're not just we, we never sit here and play through the ear of whoever.

5:48 We're going to give you our honest to God opinion of what we're thinking about, how we're thinking about it, whether we feel good, bad, and different. That was 2022 was the year everything went sideways because everything was sideways at that point in time. And then this year it felt sideways for a long time and then it feels like it's not and sideways anymore. Still a lot of shit to do, but that's what we want to hear. Whatever you want to talk about, we'll talk about. We lost Robbie again. I see, Cat, you didn't. You didn't lose me. You told me to act like I was at the bar, so I'm making a noise.

6:29 So I'm on, I'm on. Toss it to Phil first, because Phil, me and you texted and you talked with me and Brian and. We. Have not heard from you much since the hire has been made and I know you've been busy with work. Bill's always working. It'd be hilarious if you got a call right now and had to do something while you're on it. That'd be great, Bill. Also, if if y'all didn't know, if you paid attention to the Tech game down in the Bahamas, you should have seen Phil in the crowd because he went down there for the basketball tournament. He was easily spotable. Well, you know Phil. So. Phil, let's feel what your takes are because I know you've got some different opinions than other folks. I mean, yeah, that Bahamas trip was awesome though. Like we will walk around and see like all the players, all the coaches hanging out.

7:19 It was really cool. So yeah, I mean, I'm really happy that Franklin's there to get our act together because we were a mess. I'm just in the show me stage, honestly. Like you just got to show me like that's all. Like, I love winning the recruiting. That's awesome. I love getting these high school kids. That's awesome. I love that we seem to be more professional, but you still got to show me next year's schedule's brutal, guys. Next year's schedule like at least travel wise, is brutal. Like lot. Of fucking. Travel on the road to Cal on the road to Dallas, on the road in Boston, on the road in Clemson, on the road in Maryland, on the road and I'm forgetting what Miami on the road in Miami. Like damn. Like, like he's going to get a real dose of not the big 10 right is what he's going to get. So it's, it's, I don't know.

8:03 I, I just want to see it. I, I just want I'm in the show me state of, of what we're seeing. And I assume we're not going to get a lot of information out because I'd assume he locks stuff down pretty hard as well, too, where there's not going to be a lot of information out and he don't really care about what anybody thinks. I would guess based on his hires. He don't give a shit what people care. I can tell you that. He he doesn't give a shit. Let me ask this though, Bill to you on the the the thing that I think I don't know how many of us were shocked by it, but when when everything came down money wise, Are you shocked that because the one thing you were concerned about, Oh, he's grabbing another one. The one thing this is just like a bar. The one thing you were concerned about was like the money and it seems like the next three or four years. That shit's in.

8:49 Did that shock? You, I mean you first of all, I, I, I, I joke, I, I don't joke about when I say Phil has been going to games since he was in his room. His dad was an alumni. It was his alma mater. It's Phil's alma mater. And literally he was going there since, you know, But were you shocked that when everything came down that the money just came rolling in? I don't know if shocked is the right word. Again, I just, I want to see if it's sustainable long term because it seems like every program's throwing money at it, right? Like shit, Cincinnati's committed. I mean, no, what? Not Cincinnati. Wisconsin's committed to football now and paying money. Like everybody's committed to putting money towards football because they realize how important it is. So I don't know if shocked is the right word. I just think that I don't think people have been asked like Jay Pearson's been on the interview circuit, man, he's been doing great.

9:37 And it's like he literally was like, it's basically like you got to ask these people for money. Like if the answer what I the answer's no if you don't ask. And a lot of these, and it's ego driven too, like, hey, 20 million. Well, Mr. Anonymous gave 20 million. I bet we can give 22 million. Let's do that. It's like there's some of that. I'd assume that's a rich person thing. I don't know, like I guess, but I mean, it's a write off how they can do it. But no, I, I, I'm not shocked by the money because I mean, Franklin does move the needle on that. If we'd hired Chesney, we wouldn't be get, I don't know if we'd be getting a $20 million donation. Maybe we would, I don't know. So what do you think, Ally? Is that something? That's something you said two months ago about Franklin, Yeah.

10:18 Yeah, no, you got to be able to sell something. They walk into a place and get money, like Phil said. But it also has to be some results as well. Like just exactly what he was saying. Like you can throw money at it and people's going to be you. You can sell somebody a car until that car don't work, you know what I'm saying? Like you can look good until that motherfucker don't crank, you know, and and and and don't get, you know, you can't get to from point A to point B and you can't put it in car shows. So why am I going to keep throwing money at something that that that doesn't work? So I thought Franklin or Shane Beamer would be the two that could get the most money out of the boosters because they would move the needle, needle in in the booster room.

11:04 So now he's doing what he's supposed to do with what I thought he would do in recruiting. But it has to translate to the field. So that's what we got to like Phil said, it's, you know, we've been hurt so much. It's a wait and see thing, you know, yeah, it's great to get kids and bring kids back. But everybody was excited about Pop Watson being a a hokey and then he never played, so I can't say I don't get to cry to. He he's he's got as many wins against UVA as drones does. Yeah, that's true. It's like. Very true. But I, yeah, I agree. No, I don't. I don't know how we're going to. Yeah, we, I don't know. But you, you, you got to win.

11:47 It doesn't like that's the whole thing. It doesn't matter who the coach is. Like next year's tough, it's hard to win. Next year's going to be hard to win, hard to win. It's going to be is that 20 million coming in five and seven? If the roster stood as it is right now, I would say, yeah, it's going to be tough as shit to win. But really over the next month is where you're going to find out is people get moved out and people get moved in. Because the one thing that caught my ear during the press conference with Franklin months ago, and he said it, he's probably going to use the portal more than he ever has this first year. And what that tells me is after tomorrow, 12 O clock game tomorrow, that game's going to end about 3 or 330.

12:35 Be ready for them. It's supposed to. By the way, if y'all didn't hear, basically all the Penn State offensive line is decommitted from playing in the bowl game tomorrow. Yeah. And they put is that game tomorrow? I didn't know. Tomorrow, Tomorrow. When he. Said. I knew the 12. That's sort of the thing, huh? Oh. Yeah, we can get into that. Oh, I, oh, we can get into that because it, it sucks. Like growing up with it, like we all did. We're all roughly the same age growing up. Bowl games are awesome man. You see a team on national TV, you know as you get older you have some drinks at the bar watching them. Or in in the case of Phil in 1999, travelling to the Sugar Bowl.

13:16 Lucky bastard. We did do that on the train from Charleston. That was really long. Wait a minute. You took a train from Charleston all the way to New Orleans. We did. We did. Devonte, let's go there. We. Go. Let's go. Mr. Lester. Mr. Lester. Mr. Lester. How the heck are we drinking a little shine? No, this is a running joke that y'all don't know about that when me and Tally call each other, we have a different middle name every time we call each other. So someday it'd be Aloysius.

14:00 Aloysius. Aloysius is my favorite now. I knew about Aloysius because Tally dropped that in the group chat from time to. Time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another time it could be. Cavazier he could be. Whatever you want. You know, but we are since we celebrating the it's the state of the program, right? All. Right, so we're going to go a shot of shine, a shot of two XO and a little bit of simple lemonade. There we go, gentlemen. How? How the holidays, man. Oh man, beautiful man. Got my whole family here except for my daughter who's over in over in Korea. Wife's doing great, kids doing great. Have my have my JMU kid here with me. He talking trash you know.

14:49 So it's all love man. It just came from the gun range. Well, I'm telling you. That. Sounds like Christy. That sounds like my kind of Christmas moonshine and gun ranges, Curtis. Was just asking us kind of how we felt about everything, you know, money coming in, state of the program, things like that. From a parent perspective as well as a fan perspective, how you what are you thinking about? Because feel brought up a good point. He's like next year is going to be is going to be tough. We got a lot of games that we got to travel to. So James Franklin is going to get introduced to a rough schedule.

15:33 The money coming in is helping. You know, the recruiting is helping. But as far as where the program is, how you feeling about it? Well. As a parent, I'm excited because I came here to win. You know, so this being this would be my third year in the program. My kids had a, you know, y'all know, red shirt year and then had a medical year this year. So I'm I'm just about winning and I think that's huge for for him and I think that's huge for the program. There's no other fan base in the country that deserves the winner more than Virginia Tech. You know, we're loyal, we're faithful. We going to pack it out. So I'm excited about that. As a parent, I realized that every year it's a one year, it's a one year contract.

16:20 Every year they sign it and you know, they get another year to have the ability to play football and finish education. So I think this is the best year for any kid in our program because you're going to have the eyes of the entire nation on you. You know, last year when Bill Belichick went down ACC, everybody was crazy about UNC. Everybody wanted to see him. Everybody wanted to talk to him. Well, we get our version of that just on a bigger level because he's won on the college level. Bill had the, you know, nostalgia and the, and the prestige and everything that came along with him went in NFL, but he didn't do anything in college. James Franklin was no matter how much as we follow on next, you know, the Penn State crybabies over there talking about oh, he sucked.

17:11 He was just that in the third. You know, we we tired of going six and six. We would love to have multiple 10 year season, 10 year win seasons. We you know what I'm saying that we burn the whole damn city down if we had ten win seasons again, you know what I'm saying? So all this oh ho, you know, he's he doesn't win the big games. A lot of people lose the big games. Amen. Truth be told, you know y'all can flog me later, Frank. A lot of games we talk about Danny Cole caught it right and all the other stuff. We we lost some damn games. You know I I just had my taste over with Miami a couple years back. So you're going to have the entire country's eyes on you. Everybody's been humbled and, and everybody, you know what I'm saying, from Big Bang James to Brett Pryor, who I loved and I'm glad he's back to the guys, to the guys who got fired and found jobs elsewhere.

18:07 Big shout out to a man, Elijah Brooks, finding a job down at USF. Shout out tomorrow. Yeah, shout out tomorrow. Going out to Colorado. Everybody's been humble, man. And so I think these kids are going to finally get some of the things they've always wanted. Being coached extremely hard, tough being able to have to go up against guys that are at their level because we've been sprinkling these kind of guys, very few sprinkles, but we've been sprinkling these kind of guys that you just got in this 20 in this 26 class. We've been sprinkling them in. They're going to be able to bring in that, that real top tier 3 star, top Tier 4 star. Damn, there some five stars because in my opinion, we got a couple five stars on this roster that, you know, 247 kind of missed out on Jeffrey Overson.

19:01 But you know, so I'm excited, man. I'm excited, looking forward to just like you guys are. Hey, man, you know that kid, you know you know that guy, But you know, you know, I'm just ready to get it started, man. I'm ready to start lying. I'm ready for the portal. You know, I'm I'm I'm ready to start lying, bro. You know, as as as you have me on tape saying that we would be 11 and one. I'm I'm always lying. I'm never thinking we going to lose until we until it happens. But I think the talent level is about to be ratcheted up. Then it's just going to be to the point of the intensity and them understanding that they are they are trying to be the the new big deal. They're trying to be you don't make the most noise in the ACC. This year.

19:52 We're trying to get back to where we are, the team in the ACC to talk about right up there with Miami, right up there with Clemson, right up there with any of those teams in the ACC. And when we talk about that like. I think the, the biggest thing is that James Franklin has raised the profile of the program right out the gate, whether we're talking about national media and all this and we, we've said it for multiple years, like the national media wants us to be fucking good. They like it when we are good. It's good for their business because they they like to be able to promote a not even an underdog, but a team that's like flirting with greatness amongst these other blue blood programs.

20:36 They love to have that storyline and they know that this program is capable of doing it. We've shown that we can do it before. We just have to have the right person at the top of that team to get us right. And I feel like James Franklin is doing a good job so far. Obviously the proof is in the pudding until we see some games we just lying, we talking and all that stuff, but at the same time we're seeing some facts coming along with them. Lies. Yeah, not just not just the right person at the top, the right people at the top. What Phil was talking about earlier when he's talking about Jay Pearson, like why we just now hearing from him? People like that have been wanting to be involved in the program and get out here and make a difference.

21:20 But it's hard to do that when you don't have a script to follow, you know what I'm saying, when you don't. And no disrespect to Brett Pryor, he just didn't know. He didn't have the he didn't have the balls to go do some of the stuff. He didn't have the, you know what I'm saying? He didn't have the body of work to do it. James Franklin does. James Franklin got fired and was on game day the next the next week, you know what I'm saying? So and people was making fun of us saying, oh, Virginia Tech thought he was going to come out and say he was, he was going to Virginia Tech the next week. He ain't going there. Like everybody in the media was making fun of it like it was a joke, like we couldn't get him. We wasn't good enough. We didn't have enough money and then he's there. So I'm going to throw another question. I got to throw this to Robbie because you know, we do got AD line coach on the on the program right now. With the with.

22:08 The D line coach being hired playoff coach, we know his pedigree. What do you think about this high with Coach Chaos? I honestly, I think it's going to be a good thing. I I've always been AJC Price fan and just going to different directions, going to add a whole new dimension. So they've gotten so much out of coach Price in the last few years. And I mean, I don't know the whole situation of of how things are going to play out with that. But I mean, he's going to add an expertise of guys that he's already put in the league, top rush players and things like that he's produced over the last several years. I mean, it's just going to, it's going to draw people in there because those kids are going to play for a coach like that that has shown those has proven those things to put those kids in places like that.

23:08 So I mean, that's just going to it's going to up the profile of that whole defensive line, which I wasn't sure it could happen tremendously from where Coach Price was building to anyway. But if you can manage to keep Coach Price in the program in some way, shape or form and then add Coach Chaos there to it, I mean, it's going to be one of the strongest points on the defense and. And with him, it's the proofs in the pudding. Somebody on Twitter the other week tried to say this guy was just terrible when we were here. This is a Penn Statement, by the way. They might be the saltiest ass fan base right now. I mean, without it's not even close.

23:50 It's not even close out. Salty. But but but but they're sitting here. But they're sitting there, but they're sitting there trying to say he wasn't that good of a coach when he was here. He's really not good at A&M. It's like A&M is like second in the country in sacks and I go, I get bored. They're they're first, Phil, they're first in sacks. You're on mute, Phil. You're on mute. I thought that's what I saw. He said some bitch, he bowed some bitch in case y'all didn't pick that up. Either way, that's. A penalty. They are elite. Elite. They are way higher than Virginia Tech was this year. Yes. In way higher last year.

24:31 We were good last year. Let's talk about this though. So like the big, the big thing that I'm looking at with chaos is that if you look at his the body of work from the output of his units on top of what he is able to recruit. I don't know if it's that, if there's a better combination defensive line coach in the country of being able to recruit at that high level plus get output on the field, he gets it out. Absolutely. He gets it out of them. That's the whole piece. He he's got who up the talent level that he has in that room. He will. Extract every. Every single Oz And you see that because worse he's ever had is like 30th. His first season at at Penn State they were 30th. That wasn't 14 coming off all the shit. They were 30th.

25:17 Right. And then they were, they hit it while he was there for what, five years, Six years they were like they leaded country twice. They were top 10. Two other times they were been elite down at A&M. So if you bring in talent, he's going to get it out of them. He's going to get them drafted. I mean, it's the selling point, right? I mean, Robbie, you had a four-star defensive lineman. You played four years. Ago. And it's like. I mean, if you, if you look back, if you look back at his record too, and it's he's not just recruiting guys that do his thing. He takes guys that do things well and he teaches them how to enhance that.

25:58 It's not just a specific guy that he brings off the edge and does one thing like he develops them wholly, whether it's an outside edge rush, whether it's an inside defensive player, whether it's pass rush, whether it's a run game. He develops all of that from top to bottom. That's why these kids are going to play on Sundays afterwards. It's not just something that he's putting on the field to look good on a Saturday afternoon and and pay his bills. I mean, he's, he's making these kids men on Sundays that are better in their lives all the way through. And I mean, that's, that's hard to beat.

26:39 He's a badass recruiter. I mean, he's definitely building recruiters. I mean, that's what like all all these guys are like recruiting and hitting certain targets and areas. And it seems like it's like Aceo making strategic decisions around here, making on what we got to do. And hey, this has got to get fixed. But man, this is a mess. Well, This is why we're going to do it. It's like, OK, let's do it. I think the biggest thing that he did is what he's saying by expanding your base. We as Virginia Tech, we've looked for the most part in just protecting Virginia. We may get a few kids out of the DMV, you know, maybe a few kids here, he said. We're going to be a national brand. So by getting by getting Spencer, he can still go touchdown those kids in Texas, getting the running back coach.

27:23 He can get Georgia and Florida. You already got your DMV in Virginia. You've got with Coach Moore, who's great at going in Ohio, West Virginia in those areas. And if you can go ahead and and just be able to pull from all those different areas, you're going to build a collective of kids that you're going to bring in here that are going to be top notch and be able to be iron sharpens iron on a regular basis. That defensive line room is going to be crazy. I mean, as you saw this year, we had guys with the will to do it. We just didn't have the guys at total. You didn't have a bona fide pass for sure, as you had years before with APR. Ben Bell played his ass off. He played as hard as he possibly could, but there's only. Sometimes.

28:03 Too hard. Yeah. Sometimes. Too hard, yeah. But but you want him to go as hard as he can, man. And that's what he did. So you turn around now you're going to be able to get different kids that they touched in Texas or touched it, A&M kids at Penn State, they want to come down and play. And so now you're going, you're going to be dominant. And as much as we may want to bang on Coach Pry, you know, the one thing he can do, he can coordinate the defense, man, he when he coordinates the defense, they are, they are elite. And so you get his get his homeboy back with the D line. God willing, we may be getting, you know, a secondary coach here in the next couple weeks or so. But the talented kids that we have now are guys that we haven't had before. We haven't had like that before.

28:47 You've got guys that you could turn around and cut loose. You've got a JoJo Crim that's going to be able to come back. You got you got Josh Clark. I always call him Jay Cinco because that's family for me. So Jay Cinco will be back. You have Q Reddish, you have Jordan, you'll have Jordan Bass, who'll have another year in the program playing safety. Remember, he was a Pittsburgh playing linebacker. This was his first year playing, you know, over the boundary safety. So it's going to be a new year for him secondary. It's going to be much improved. Go go and get a couple more running mates for for Coldplay, because as as good as he was, we could move him around. He needed somebody else to help him get it done on another one.

29:29 Yeah, it's got to be 1 of Gillum was in there doing his thing. But you got to have some guy, other guys that come in and do their thing. So I'm excited about that. Let's let's talk about the prop thing. Go ahead Robbie, finish it off if. He I was going to say, if he, if you get an interior defensive lineman like Copeland was putting that last year, when you put him on the field, people go, OK, we're doubling that guy. We'll figure out if somebody can. One man. The other one. Now when you can put two of them out there or rotate a group of them out there, you it's hard to figure out who you're going to double who you're going to take away because the other one's going to hurt you one-on-one. Absolutely. After, after that Cal game, the whole world knew.

30:09 We all knew he was good. There was, you know, echoes of him being that. But after that Cal game, Whole World said OK, we're going to double him. Who else? The year. Can win one-on-one and. That was the proof. That was the proof the game he had, he had shown flashes leading up to the middle of the season in the Cal game and a give credit to JC of how he used them because it was three tech, 5 tech and one of those he was his big 290 LB butt was out at the nine tech coming down, which I I always wonder what an offensive lineman thinks of that because normally it's like A265275 guy and it's a 290 LB guy with a quick step that's going to go. Right in your chest.

30:51 Yeah, and right in your chest. Strongest. Strongest. I don't. Know what? And Yep, and that's the thing. Because. Like we, we, we saw the flashes, right? So like we saw that, you know, he had this big play ability as an interior defensive lineman. What we hadn't seen up until the start of this year was how how he looked consistently over the course of an entire season. We had seen the flashes and we saw as he settled into that position, he started dominating the line of scrimmage and he was dominating the line of scrimmage that like Robbie alluded to and like some of y'all alluded to that didn't really have another guy out there that was a target. So it's it's easy to take away a guy to a point on the interior because the double teams are a little bit easier to handle. When you can move him around in different positions and get get guys on islands where you either got to commit a running back to chip on him or something like that. It gets a whole lot harder to take that type of player away. You give him a running mate and you can still move him around in different spots and you know, shift before the snap and things like that.

31:55 You can get really dangerous with what with what you can do at the at the defensive line. You probably could have been even more dominant last year. If he doesn't tear his pack. If he doesn't tear his pack with him, Aeneas. Might be, yeah, yeah, you're right. But it but it might be one of those, but it might be. For like. Chaos coming in and Franklin coming in. It might be the blessing in disguise because I think as good as he is, I don't think he's there. He's not going to get on draft boards above like 5 or 6. He's just not. They're going to probably say go back one more season, finish your time off, which benefits us. It probably benefits him because of like what Robbie mentioned a little while ago with, with with Coach Chaos and how he can adapt a guy like that. So that's the big piece.

32:42 But I want to kick back because we talked about Brett Pryde. It's got to be discussed. And yes, we have discussed it, but again, we're at a bar, we're having drinks. Join us if you'd like. Hey, there's some seats at the bar, so if y'all hit the QR code, there's a link in the chat. Y'all want to join us at this bar? Talk a little shit, feel free to do that. Hey, I want to add 2. You got plenty of room here I. Want to? Do that like have we and, and tell me I've had a few beers. Have we had a time where we've had a dominant or at least above average defensive tackle and an above average defensive end at the same time? Yeah, we had like in Powell, like in our who else? Who am I?

33:25 Who am I got? A newest people. We just didn't have nothing around. We didn't. Have any linebackers right like? Check this out, check this out, check this out. When you go look at the numbers from last year, this year we had, I think we had 19 sacks or 17 sacks. You see the 1719, I have to go look, that was the whole year. Last year, APR had 16 sacks by itself. Like half of them are in like 3 games or two games. Yeah, so, so The thing is, and, and I've been waiting to throw this out too, because so many fans jump on this now. I'm always about good coaching, but I'm also about I want a coach that can recruit. Every coach has to be able to recruit because I've got to look at Miami.

34:15 They're the best in the ACC, right? Can we say that? Right. How do you win? The fight. Where's new king? Where's new king? Get new king in the phone chat. Hear Tally say that. Yeah, so Jay, so Jason Taylor is their defensive line coach. You know he was coaching before Miami. In high school, Indiana, he was in high. School, you know what I'm saying? But what it but what it But what did he do before that? Of course we everybody knows he was a great NFL player. It doesn't matter how great you can coach if you got good players. I think last year everybody on his defensive line was a all American or all ACC player across the line. You can't double nobody this year. You go look at them and you get deep in the games. People don't understand how big of a deal it was for Jeffrey Overton to score a touchdown against Miami. Oh yeah.

35:14 Their defensive line is one of the best defensive lines that you ever going to see. Like Ruben Bain is a monster. What's the dude? Mr. Door is a monster. The other. Everybody on the their lines are. Always next, dude. They had Tyler Tyler Baron last year. So this is the thing that's that's a NFL line that they have. It doesn't matter how good of a coach you are, how bad of a coach you are. If you line those dudes up, they're going to go eat. Now, if you do have a coach that can go, if you do have a coach that can go and get more out of them and they can coach them up, You know what I'm saying? Because JC has been working with, I say bubble gum and and bow and arrows.

35:54 You know what I'm? Saying come on man, come. On Yeah, we got to get kids. From, you know, whatever and and no shit, no disrespect to them, but like some of these kids ain't NFL guys, but JDC got a lot out of them. If you can get a coach and you got the money to go and pay a kid and get them into the program and say, hey man, we just want to be a stepping stone to get you to the NFL because you know that's where he going. Like Tyler Baron was like Ruben Bane was like Mesador. We got to get those players. Once we get those players, like you can get the coaches, but you got to get the players. This has got to be, it's got to be a training ground is what you got to say.

36:37 This is where it's got to be. And it's like, so I've got a 2 sided question of that. And so like one, do you think it was an advantage for Jason Taylor coming from a high school setting, having to I'm not saying high school kids are dumb, but they're dumb. Have them to dumb down sometimes on defense to simplify stuff to be like, hey, like in ChatGPT, explain it to me like I'm an eighth grader. Like do you think that helps coaching Miami's ultra talented dude, 1 and 2. Is it harder to get like a five star that's always dominated people to like take that coaching then versus A4, the large three star. So tell me, tell me I'm like Robbie I. Didn't want you to finish? Go Rob.

37:19 Yeah, go, Rob. Yeah, I was going to say, Robin, let me say something. Let me say something. Then you can finish it up. When I when I say I'm going to say a dog wants to run with a dog, it don't matter where you being. It don't matter how how you being. Like when somebody looks at Jason Taylor, first of all, that's a big motherfucker. Like that's an NFL player. Him standing up with you and talking to you, you're probably going to give him a little reference. But from him knowing what he's doing, like you got to have some kind of background to show me that you know what you're doing. So when he's talking to those guys, yeah, they want to go play for him. But also it's money. It don't matter. But it's not just him. Miami has been able to go out and get the best players because they were willing to spend money. Go look at Cam Ward.

38:06 It didn't matter where Cam Ward went. He probably was going to elevate the team that he played on. Who is The Who is the officer coordinator at Miami? Do anybody know without Scan Dawson? I do It don't fucking matter. It don't matter but. It don't. Matter. It don't matter Carson and people talk shit about Carson Bent. Carson Bent is a national championship quarterback. Like you had Campbell then and Carson Bent, right? Come on, man. Robbie, let's go back to what the question he asked about you as a line coach. Go ahead. Yeah, it's it's one thing there with defensive line coaches too. But like I've been in coaching for 20 plus years now.

38:48 I've been to these coaches clinics, I'm going to 1 here in a couple weeks and Charlotte, the big AFCA convention, you will see guys that have gotten into coaching because of who they know and they'll bounce from team to team and team to team because of who they know. And they can't teach their way out of a wet paper bag with a flashlight in the pocket knife, right? But when you can take a guy like Jason Taylor, who's from from a high school who can take if he couldn't recruit is that he was handed, it might not be. They can make players out of them when you get to that next level when they have that ability, or you can teach them the little things to use that ability.

39:29 I've been tricking people for years thinking I was a good coach because I've had spectacular athletes. Live. Now you're live, just being recorded. Cut. Back, but I'm a bounce on what he says. I think if you turn around, it's hard for a lot of elite players like you. We've always seen like let's just say basketball. Magic Johnson could never turn around and be a really good coach, right? You always saw that like Michael Jordan said, I could never coach right because they just said things extremely well. Jason Taylor walks into the room, right? Like Charlie said, he's a huge dude, but he walks in there with the pedigree of what he did in in the college, what he did in the pros. To turn around and be a Hall of Famer and then he just gets excellent talent, you know, extremely talented players. And he's just teaching him what what he knows. And then everything else he's learned from all the different places he's gone.

40:26 Those kids are going to be like, hey, that's Jason Taylor. You know, we can release YouTube and seeing what he's done. But the thing that Crystal Ball has done, he made it his number one point to make sure the trenches were stacked and loaded. He knew he could he could go get skill. This is one thing I realized. There are a ton of skill players because it's pretty. Everybody want to be outside, everybody want to had a ball, everybody want to Juke somebody in space. But the guys on the inside, that's where the money's made. That's where the magic happens. And that's what we've been missing here for the last three years up until Matt Moore walks into the building and then you turn around and get this hall that you get with James Franklin understanding building the trenches is the deal. This isn't going to be a a much better football team. I know we we we still haven't talked touched on Brent pride. Let's talk about.

41:19 Don't worry about it, but. We got that on the, on the, on the. Menu I don't we can talk about Brent. Like Brent pride conversation will last from now until the end of his career. Like it won't last forever. And I saw the note out there. Shout out to Kellen Gillum. Kellen Gillum Junior without question because he was like the backbone of this thing. That dude walked in as a man, as a general, saw how things were going, would not let the ship go totally off off. You know, he would not let it be mutiny in that thing and let that thing go off the rails. So mad shout out to him. He will forever be a great hokey no matter what the record says. He will forever be able to walk in. We don't walk in the Lane Stadium and get much love for everything that he did. I love that kid.

42:03 Great, great dude, great let that guy but. I feel like he started the comeback to Virginia thing. Like it's OK to portal back and get used and people will appreciate you. Oh yeah, come back. Come back. I want you back. It's like, oh, you're going this place, but we'll see you in two years. Like, see. Yeah. I think, I think he went out, saw what it was, but he knew he could be great at home. That was that was a big thing for us about being great at home. And I think he saw that as well. And he's been a great ambassador for the program and and for everything good Virginia kid love that kid. But going back to what say having continuity in the in the office of line room haven't Matt Moore come back?

42:44 It would have been great. I think it's what this Dale, the guy who went down, it was Penn State online coach that went down to Florida. Yeah, it'd been great to get him because the guy has repeatedly put guys in the pros. And I'm talking about not just in the pros, I'm talking about top 15, top 30 guys in the pros. But to have continuity in their room with Matt Moore and his teaching and his philosophy, I think that's going to be an extreme boost to those guys you right now have going into the season. I think you had maybe 7 guys who could play 7. Like 9 played though. Say what am I right?

43:26 I said like 9 played though. That was the issue. 7 guys could play, but nine played. You had to have 9, but we only have seven. Hey, Chris, let me say. Something real quick. About. We'll say something real quick about Matt Moore and I'm. Of the guys retained, there were two. Some other guys would be entertained elsewhere. But for the way he coaches, you knew what we were going to be every single week, right? They're going to run the ball. They're going to run the shit out of the ball. That's what they're going to do. Because that's all they really can do, right? To be to know that's coming and to still have a guy that put a team top rushing. I think I want to say 30, I'll, I'll pull it up here.

44:06 I've got it saved. But to basically have a top thirty Russian offense when you know it's coming and it's not triple option and it's not trickery. It's like we're going to run the ball at you. And especially when you got some younger guys playing and then you have to bring 2 guys in that probably should not have been playing. But things happen and things people got to play. It's why you need depth. But to say you could run the ball like that and basically people knew, well, Angle really didn't pass the ball that much, we stopped the run will be OK, Still be able to establish the run and have that sort of output, It shows you how good of a coach he is. And everybody's like, well, the pass blocking stuff. Listen, Brian and Robbie both played online. It ain't like turning the cap on all you can just go out there and pass block any day of the week the hell you can. I mean you, I mean you.

45:03 I mean, here's the problem. I think they had 10. I think of the what, 13 of the 12 games they played. I think they had 10 different, 10 different line UPS. I think that's the number of something, right? Right around that, that's. Pretty cool. What's the problem with that? Whatever. I mean. That's just how you drew it up, Chris. Science. Believer that to me, this is me. OK? I felt like those guys gave extreme. They gave everything they had this year. They gave every bit of every everything they had. Miami game alone, the Miami game alone and how much we ran on the on them. Like, like Callie said, like we crushed Miami on that game, running the ball if we could throw the damn ball. Listen, Aiden Lynch will be able to go down one day and tell his grandkids, Hey, I, I blocked against Ruben Bane. You know what I'm saying, man?

45:54 And, and you know, he whipped my ass, but I held my own as much as I could. You know, I, I just think that you turn around, you take those kids from being thrown into the fire the way they were. Some of the kids that we're definitely probably going to bring in the portal and those eight guys that we got cooking in the background, that's going to be there. You're going to have what you didn't have last year. There were times that they couldn't practice, they couldn't have full live practices because they didn't have no bodies, man. That that's we are now officially, I've always felt we've been a, you know, a powerful program, but we're really official powerful program, man. Trying to do some big things, man. So I'm, I'm excited about what Matt Moore and them are going to bring this year in the offensive line room. I think those guys are going to be better forward. They're going to be better tested. 194 against Miami over 5A carry against that D line.

46:45 But like, if you look at Miami's, the, the, the rushing yards, they've given up all year, nobody's done anything like that. Nobody knew anything close to it. Nobody. Not even close. I mean, hey, I just wasn't Hannibal the damn Hannibal in the house. What's up, baby? There you go. There you go. The crib is the crib. The crib is the crib. The crib is the. Crib. How we living, we good man, we over here, we drinking. If I had the deck set outside, we'd be smoking. But. You know you got that that that Sure. MV7 Plus plugged in Dan. Nah, man, it's going to take some set up. Dan Santa Claus is good to Dan on the podcasting front. It'd have been 1045 before I got on here if I got home and tried to set that thing up.

47:35 What's up brother, What you been doing tonight? Man, there's many streets, man, Just out here outside doing my thing, chilling. Hey now you, you having some drinks with us? What you? What you drinking on? I'm drinking some water. I'm. Drinking water, staying hydrated. What the hell? That's smart. Hey, what the fuck is this? What did you address? Something right quick. Yeah, dress something right quick. What are we addressing? Oh God. Steve, Steve, Stephen Colbert or whoever, 296 What? His comment up. Yeah, I like that one. The one before that. The one before that. Yeah, yeah, fuck that guy. What happened?

48:21 I hope that he goes and coaches at the worst. Middle school and his team never wins the game. Coach Montgomery coach like a different now again. I bet it was tough, you know what I'm saying? You have people leaving, you have people leaving the team, you know, getting in transfer portal, coach gets fired, but you accept the role of being the interim coach. Your job is to go and coach and you're supposed to be coaching to get somewhere else for the energy that he put on the field in the games that he won to the energy he put on the field in that UVA game. He can go somewhere.

49:04 And I never got to see him coach again. I mean, we didn't have no half back pass. We didn't do nothing. You didn't you never pulled the quarterback. Like what do you have to lose? The team is better than you and you got beat 20 to 27 to 727. Come on, man. We we didn't do nothing. We didn't even try to win the game. And it was more games than that. But definitely I just feel like it this just could be me and my feelings. When James Franklin got announced as the coach, I think he got to his feelings. He wasn't considered for nothing and he coached different. We didn't even, we didn't make no changes. We didn't do nothing. But the UVA game pissed me off more than anything. I'm cool with you losing games. It's a losing season, whatever.

49:46 You know it is what it is. But that UVA game for you not to change anything up, not to go to a different quarterback, not to give me any different plays. Well, we couldn't do any place. Yeah, you can. You could have fucking hiked the ball over your head and did a annexation of Puerto Rico. You was going to lose anyway. Do something fucking different. I'm just saying. So no, we are not giving. We are not giving. Shout outs to Cole Montgomery on here pitch. To Johnny. You can't pitch to Johnny, bro. If you, if you and. You know what? I'm a stern believer, if you accept the check, do the job. If you ain't going.

50:29 Because there was a check. Don't do the job. Yeah, maybe he knew he wasn't auditioning anymore. He knew he'd failed that audition and his won't be the key grip. Exactly what it. Was. Yeah, but the. Thing is like with that game though, you're right, it's like, what can you do? Well, go, OK, all you're going to do is get to four wins, go screw their season up, do some wild things, change quarterback so. OK, quarterback. So that's what y'all was. Doing above all else, y'all just wanted to try to screw your VA season up. That's all you and just try to. Make a difference, right? So just just be a headache, be a pain in the ass. Don't don't just don't just go out there and do the same thing you did the last three weeks and call it a day. Go out there and try to ruin their season. If you got it in your bag of tricks, I need to see it on the field.

51:17 That's what that game should have been about. There was no reason to leave anything in the bag. There was absolutely no reason to leave anything in the bag in that game because you didn't have nothing to play for except to screw up what they had going. And we just went out there. We did what we. Did I was 4 for 16? I don't think we, I don't think we brought another quarterback with us, right. We just had. Him no, no, no. We, we had, we had, we had, we had a couple of quarterbacks. There weren't. Oh yeah, there there were. That that was. Go ahead, Chris. I feel like you're about to say something. I think I think this is so awesome. Go ahead, Chris. This is Tate, I have a vested interest in this.

51:59 Program. And and, and, and I got one on tape that that I'm probably like, I had to eat crow about. All I'm saying is this. We can all speculate from what we saw that he may have gotten in his feelings, but you got to think about it. There was some things that he got dealt to him that he that he had no idea that he was going to get dealt. So I'm always going to have love for Monty because for me personally, this is just me personally. He didn't have all the weapons that he needed to make this thing go.

52:44 And there were things above him that he could not move to even get people in place to be able to run to run his system, run his system. So you got to look at it. He turned right. He wasn't going to get get the we love Karen. And we were just to the point of he wasn't able. We were saying the online did have his efficiency and pass protection. And that's that's a different thing that you got to end up having. If you can't pass protect, it's hard for a guy to get the passing game off. So. He adjusted his offense to the best that he could do and I know Tally just wanted him to go out there and do some damn little giant shit so we could try to just be be a thorn in UVA sides, but it all worked out in the end. It all worked out in the end.

53:31 UVAUVA got a big egg on it and get big stupid face plant for for losing the Duke. Everybody get a chance to go get. Everybody watched it. Everybody. Watched it to the end. We thought Duke was trying to give it away. They didn't. And guess what? Man, it all worked out. This cross we got James Franklin, they all know we're about to have all the recruits in Virginia back. So salute. We're not going. We're not going to hate Monty forever. AC just always delivered. The only thing I will say is that, you know, like, don't. Coach A Kick a tan High school. This is a guy he already killed Monty. At this point, Monty had already taken the six shots, right? He had already taken the six shots. If I'm going out, I'm not going out with any bullets left in my clip.

54:20 That's all I'm saying. I just don't think he cared not I don't think he cared about the the rivalry. Like I don't think he gave a shot. I don't think he. Did not get it some of the playoffs. The rivalry and that Miami game the week before was like that was we were all in on that, like everybody. We were all in, all in. And then UVA, there's a let down and they and UPA is good this year. Better than us, not going better than us. That sucks to say, but they're better than us. Fuck, but Mike London won their coach. They didn't fuck it up. If Mike. Had been the coach this year, they would have. Screwed it up. Tony Ellen looked real funny coming into that locker room. He didn't even look like a national. For him to hold the Commonwealth Cup.

55:01 We'll get that back that. You don't worry about he's like, all right here. What am I supposed to do with my hands? What do I do with my hands? How do I hold? I don't know. Don't worry, you ain't holding another trophy after that player. No doubt, I guess. I guess my thing, The thing is with Monty, like, yeah, he got a hand dealt to him that he wasn't expecting. But at the same time, like, you took the offensive coordinator job as a former head coach at a school with a hot seat coach. So you knew there was a chance you might be running this thing at some point. Now, it happened sooner than he probably thought. But by the time we got to the UVA game, and I work in food and beverage, I have several staff members under me. I am the boss, but I tell them the number one rule in food services.

55:47 If you don't give a fuck, act like you give a fuck. You can't let them know you don't care. And that last game against UVA. It looked like. Shit, I'm about to be out of here. Like it. Just, you know what I'm saying? Like you. Did can't cool it all three, 123 can't. Cool. I mean they filled up 3/4 of that stadium. Good for them. Ten win Team 3, Forceful 3. Forceful. Look at the way the damn ACC championship game. That's pitiful shit. The ACC needs to learn from all these other conferences. You feed your big horses. And now when I stay by that, hey, they're about to win this game. No, they're not holding on the offense. They ain't winning this fucking game.

56:29 They not win this game. I feel like the ATC should go to campus tights. We're associated. Happened to us. Last year, I guess. Yeah, we apparently we do not have plot armor, Curtis. We do not have plot armor. Yeah, they at. Least not yet. Well when you fuck up and lose the Vanderbilt and Rutgers then you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. We lost twice. Twice. Don't. Forget Purdue, Vanderbilt was solid. Man. I wanted Pavia in there. Pavia. No. No, that was 23. Purdue was 23. I know we lost to them too. Like that's hard. Purdue, Rutgers, Vanderbilt. Like shit, throw in I. Don't know. Yeah, you don't get plot armor when you're losing to Purdue and Rutgers. I get that. Let's talk about how the Purdue game was the fucking worst game that I've ever been a part of. Well, who else was there?

57:16 Me, Curtis and Tally was there. Who else was there it? Was. Because. I. Remember I posted a picture of a dude in rain boots and said what he thinks gonna be a monsoon or something because it was sunny and said and then I had to retract my. Statement they said you know what? Delete that tweet and apologize. Definitely was a hard time it was. That that bro looked at The Weather Channel way before anybody else in Blacksburg looked at The Weather Channel. Because I I thought there was going to be some rain. I didn't think it was going to be a damn monsoon come. In. Hail standing in standing in South ends on getting hail pelleted on us while we're trying to wait this thing out. By the way though, I was thinking. Of hey, hey, hey, but I can say this, me, Brian and Tally, he has the best seats I've ever had in a game. Oh yeah, we had some great seats at the end of. That, yeah, y'all were down on.

58:07 The 40 like. Two yeah, we're down there with Darlax, man. Yeah. Well, if that thing that it got much worse though, I would have put one of y'all in the game. I got I got 10 snaps left in me. I. Was thinking I got three. I was. Thinking about my two of my knee feeling I ain't got nothing. I don't even know if. Kylie's got the size, they're pulling out the stands. Man, shit, I don't know if I got nothing left. Yeah. When was the Mayo Bowl last year? Was it a week from Like, it was like it was. We're a week away from it, right? It was. Like the 30th. Yeah, the 30th.

58:48 So we're sitting. We're sitting in Charlotte, Kyron drones is coming back last year. We're we're we're looking forward to it at that point, right? And little did we know, there's a rumor that Bo Buila was trying to come to tech and we ended up going with Karen, allegedly. This is the rumor that it's been around. And now you think about it, if that would have happened, if Karen would have left, we would have went with Beau. We never would have got the money and we wouldn't have James Franklin. So I think it's crazy how. Shit, we we don't. We don't know though. That's the whole. Thing we don't know. What don't we know? What? What we don't know if how we would have went this season because I think in some of the cases it was Brent Bride's mismanagement.

59:32 Well, let's talk about this now. I don't think as as bad as Kyron was in this offense, it wasn't a good fit for him, right? I don't think very many quarterbacks in the country would have done OK with this offensive line, especially once the injuries happen pretty early in the season. I agree that's the problem. So you probably are still, you might be one or two wins better, but you're probably, you're probably not a bowl team with that offensive line, right? Do we fire our coach in September and get the chance to end up with James Franklin? And then probably not that that that's that I I'm with you on that day and that probably you probably are not firing your coach in September if and I hate things. About Kyron Jones, because he's a really good kid and it pisses me off that I got to critique that man negatively because I love him and his family, but it was not good. Dan, I stayed all the time on this program. I wish Karen was an asshole because it would have been really easy to to pull against him and go after him. But we've talked to him a couple times and Kevin, they are. They are.

1:00:39 He is a genuinely good kid. He's not an asshole, he's not a jerk. He's a genuinely good kid. His family are genuinely good people. That's what sucks is because you got to go critique and you got to be again. Same thing with pride. Same thing with pride. Oh no, no, it's true. It's the same thing with pride. Hold. On it's the same thing with pride. We've said it like Tally time again. It's like, that man's nice as hell. That man's great. If you lead with a, he's such a nice guy, is the first thing you say. That's not necessarily the best thing that I want to. Ask one of y'all look like Gregory Hines on the air, tap dancing around it because and that's and that's what we've all done, because there is no greater Brent Prop fan than me.

1:01:30 And, and and and I love him with my whole heart. But at the end of the day, I've said it to y'all, I'll say it out loud. Loyalty got him fired. Loyalty got him fired. You got us to where we are in general in the athletic department. The whole thing. Come on. The whole thing. Breach preacher. The whole preacher? No. I mean, how awkward do y'all think it was? Go ahead. No, we got so. Lucky, I think it was Brett probably get fired. Brett probably got fired and say, you know, guys, I'm out of here. It was a it was a pleasure coaching you, you know, coaches, you know, it's great working with you, blah blah, blah. And then players, coaches, whoever do man, he wasn't worth the fuck.

1:02:22 He didn't do this, he didn't do that. And then about three months later that motherfucker come back through the dough. How y'all, how awkward do y'all think that was? Well. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. I was. Tearing him up, I was. Tearing him up, pull it in and ready. One of our loyal listeners. He has pulled up to the bar here first decked out in Philly, baby decked out in Philly. We, we, we had the long conversation. How does a Philly fan turn into a hokey fan? He's like I, I was so and so years old and I watched Michael Vick and that was it. And that was it right there and ready. Appreciate you popping on with the story. Bruce Smith.

1:03:09 Actually. Bruce Smith. OK, OK. Were you in the womb? You. Mean Bruce. Real. Oh, that old. Yeah, no. No I just looking all. Right, that's AI from. And Andretti is on the on the black don't crack path right there for sure. Now I'm 45 man. Are you still young, Andretti? Yeah, that's young. That do the baby. All right, if. Somebody was about to get into something here. I'm sorry dude. I got no grain in this beard. Yet I just got one thing to say to Tally, man. Y'all let Tally get away this year. Tally was all for these guys, man. Quarterback 1 He was, yeah, for these guys, man. I've.

1:03:55 Seen it earlier on. These guys ain't. I got it. I mean, I got to, I got to go with it, Andre said. This ain't it. Some of these coaches ain't it, and some of these players ain't it. And I was like, man, get off that ledge. You're going to be all right. I was wrong. I am. Now easy. Easy to say I was. Wrong. Marv is about to get there on fire from Colorado. I don't, I don't think. I don't. Think Andre. Andre. Trust me. Nah, Marv's a little bit better what y'all think he is? Dion does. Not need Marv he get fired I don't. Need to hear more about that.

1:04:36 No, Marv, he's ready. Go ahead. You give Marv the ability to focus on just his linebackers and Marv's going to be a whole lot better off. We would just talk about with Pry and all of those things and I got to get up off here. So I'm going to leave this with this. When it comes to coaching and where I'm at, there's an understanding that you can be a good coach and not be a good head coach. You can be a good coach and not be a good coordinator. And I think Pry understands that very well. He's a good coach. He's a good coordinator. He was not a good head coach. And that's what's going to make it easier for him to step back in there because he understands when those people are talking about he wasn't a good head coach. He knows it.

1:05:22 He's been. He's his dad was a head coach, his dad's a football coach. They know those things. You can take their criticism and put it in however you need to and he understands those things. Marv is going to be the same way. He understood that he was in over his head jumping in as ADC right then. He's going to go back, he's going to build on the things that he didn't figure out before and you're going to see him again somewhere. It probably won't. Be in Roxburgh. No, no, yeah. What I'm saying as ADC, as ADC and things like that, he's going to build his way back up. People are going to get it in there, I hope. So that's a good dude right there. Yeah. He's a really good guy. We're just going to go with that leaving. With a good guy like I don't.

1:06:07 But. I need an. Asshole. Give me an asshole. I need to. I need to hear the first thing about me. He's a winner. I don't care if he's a good. Person so many problems with our program all over the place that like it's like I don't I. Don't. Hey, the other side of that, though, is what's going on in Michigan. So I mean, you know. You mean the national championship two years ago? No, I mean coach getting fired. I'll take a national championship two years ago for all that bullshit. Right now. Right now, yes. I.

1:06:50 Would. You're not taking. Going in the womb, he don't care. He's been going to games since he was in the womb. I don't. I look my my morals are compromised. When they oh OK, this you honest about it but once? We win that person Ezra championship, we're going to go straight edge. We're going to be fine. This how I look at it. Come September, if we four and O, I'm going to see some dudes streaking through the quad and I'm going to be like, I got bail money already set aside for y'all.

1:07:33 I go to work and put the bail money aside. I'll send you my number because y'all set the city on fire. Chris said nothing but Dicks and titties on the drill field. Running out, baby, running out. I'm just going to be sitting there screaming. Hey, man. Hey, we by the way Phil, we have went through that scandal once we had Galen Scott years ago. Hey, I saw a I saw a prerequisites for the Michigan higher and it was like the requirements don't be horny, love football. Hey man, you can't. You can't love football. You can't, you can't love football. Not be Hornets. Nobody, nobody. You better hold it in from. The new.

1:08:14 If we. If we. I'm bricked up about football. Let's go. If we go through 2 back-to-back scandals and we win a national championship and then we land on our feet with Kyle Whittingham, I'll take it. That's true. Everybody's coming to my side. The dark side. Let's go. No, I mean, I'm desperate. That's how that's where I am as a fan. I'm so desperate right now to win. I want to win. I want to win. I want to win. I want to win too. Long scandals come with winning. So you so you want to win bad enough. You want to win bad enough that the coach of the coach will cut itself with a butter knife. Oh damn, here we go. Not win the National.

1:08:55 Championship Eagles did not win in that he was. Up in there. He was, he was up in. Something he was on. He was on. Yeah, he was up. He was up in something. He was up. A lot of something he. Was up so, but nevertheless the unless they do get a top ten class so. His whole family is calling it for tickets and I don't have any tickets I got. I got 4 Slims lines up. I don't know. I got the gold package at the strip club, that's what I can. I'm gonna let y'all guys rock that. 1. Maybe we can get tried more as an analyst later.

1:09:38 How mad? Like I would have done the same thing if I did something as dumb as he did. I've been like, not keep me in jail. Don't help me out, I need 2. Days that man said I'm about. To I need a cool off period. I want the I'll take the baloney. I'll take the pineapple. I don't want to get out. I don't. Want to get out? Can you imagine going to facial wife? That's why he didn't want to get out. That's why he didn't want to. I don't want to get out and you extradite me somewhere. Somewhere I I will not accept bond. I'm not. No. Nobody's posting bond. You've been posted bond. Nope. Nope. No, I've been posted bond. No, I have not. Staying out here, a bunch of guard like I'm staying. There that that is the deeper, darker conversation that we will probably have on the chat line later.

1:10:23 Man, what about that? Because I that is it's not good. I would never want I would never want that to happen. That happened. In Blacksburg, No, no, no, no. Sometime in that the. Crazy. The crazy thing about the Sharon Moore thing is if he would just have come out the next day, didn't, didn't go sideways, and he just simply said, Yep, I fucked up, I banged her, I did all this shit. Yep, I'm a terrible person and just walked away. Hey, first of all, the man made some money the last few years, got a little money in the bank account. Two years, somebody hired him, somebody would hire him. Because he was a good football. Coach. You looking deep in his face what you think And he just came out the next day and said I made a mistake. I'm talking to Jesus.

1:11:13 I'm talking to Jesus. I'm never going to admit to anything I want. You to admit. You got to admit. To it wasn't me. It wasn't me. If Bobby Petrino could come with the neck brace at the press conference. Bro, if Sharon just showed up in a neck brace, it'll all been good. I'm telling. You fine. Listen, at the end of the day, it is one of the biggest fumbles. And I don't. Remember in, in, in history. Oh yeah, in history. That's that's the first thing one of it's the biggest. I I said no, no, it's. It's been some. It's been some others, but we're not. The Baylor want to kill somebody or like how to cover a murder up or.

1:11:57 Something back back. Brian Kelly did. You go back to it. At the end of the day, had he got there, said I'm going to go talk to Jesus and walked away for a little bit, he'd probably be coaching somewhere down the road. But that's not the problem we're dealing with. Let's deal with the fact of the matter. Yeah, that's. It was the fact that matter that's it was the fact that matter that we've had the most humblest coach we've we've had something that's unprecedented. A guy get fired, get fired at the place he was at all right. And then three months later, he's exonerated by being the most outstanding guy to help us get probably the best coach we've had since Frank Beamer.

1:12:47 Let's just deal with what what what Prague has to deal with in his situation. Let's deal with that. Let's deal with that. I like the fact that my head coach and my defensive coordinator both have a giant chip on their shoulder to prove they get the like. Prague is to come back and and write his Virginia Tech ending the way he wants it to be. Gets to continue to write that story. And there's some people. Talking real sick about him so I'm sure he got some points to. Prove. Yeah, me, Franklin. I wouldn't. Prove if and me. Can y'all can y'all imagine the first time that defense gets scored on? Well, I was said by Brett. Oh my goodness, Twitter going to go crazy. Especially if it's the first possession against VMI if we play. VMI.

1:13:33 Yeah, yeah, we about to. It's about to. I. Agree 100%. Chip on your shoulder. 100% I agree, chip on your shoulder. The best work I've ever done is when somebody thinks I they I can't do it. Yeah. It's 100%. Like I, I will be like, you tell me I can't do it. I will. OK, let's go. Franklin set this up in the press conference, though. You've seen this coming when he when he, he said good things about the program. Yeah, we don't get that, Man without Pride said. Come here. Yeah.

1:14:15 Jay Pearson's done interviews and he said, like, he called him and said, hey, Brent. And he didn't call him back. He said for like a week or two weeks. And he didn't call him back. And he said, hey, if Franklin comes here, you're going to work with him. And he's like, yeah, sure. Well, let's go. I would not. Yeah, like, of course like just you deal with the awkwardness at first, so for. James Franklin, I don't know another defensive coordinator. We could have got this better for him. No, like being real. Let's. Let's talk about another thing. Too throw a lot of money. If you're going to throw a lot of money at a defensive coordinator like Penn State did, and he doesn't do it the way James Franklin wants it done, guess what's going to happen.

1:14:58 You're going to lose. James Franklin seems like a guy that's got to have people that he knows, that knows how he works and knows the type of guy that he. Is it'll look different? Yeah, it'll look different. He looks like a he's all he, he, he has to have the trust. I think. I mean, when we look at it too, man, when we look at the experience, that pride reigns from a court and. Brian, Brian, Brian. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome, man. You're welcome. You know what? That's why I left. That's why I left him man. But but on on prime, man, like when we think about the defensive coordinators outside of Bud Foster that Virginia Tech has had, has anybody else had the caliber and cachet that Brent Pride is bringing to the table from a defensive coordinator standpoint? Nope.

1:15:42 Not. At all. So at at this point we're saying that Brent Pride from a resume standpoint is the second best defensive coordinator Virginia Tech has had ever made. Well, it wasn't just, but certainly since Bud Foster. Yeah, it wasn't Jay Ham. No, no, it wasn't Jay. Ham Foster. Well done now. But but the but the whole piece is with the pry hire. It's like if James Franklin had taken any other job in, brought Brit pry, people would have all over themselves like Oh my God, he's bringing it back. Greatest, greatest great. That is a great. Point I think. The other thing it says about Pry and we talk about good guy, I truly think he actually fucking gives a shit about Virginia Tech like he actually wants that's. Undeniable, he's still.

1:16:30 Denying it because he was there when it took off 30 years ago, he was there. He was there. He loves Virginia Tech. He loves it. He loves the place. Look how when they left and he left, there was a picture of a box of shirts. When? I love this. Yeah. Well, remember, I just remember when when they said that pride turned down Arkansas defensive coordinator in Mississippi State defensive coordinator, I said that he's going to come be our defensive coordinator because you thought I thought originally he would be an analyst or something. But when he turned the DC jobs down, I said yeah, he's. Going to be a prat time Part 2. Let's go. But the other thing is you want to talk about a reckoning story or like rewriting your rewrite your own, you know, biography or whatnot is what we're talking about about 365 days from now. Because Phil, like your point, like we're going, oh, he's going to get roasted on the socials when they have bad games. Absolutely roasted.

1:17:28 But if you're sitting here at the end of 2026 and it's like, God damn, we won nine games. The defense was top 20 in the country. Higher. Higher. I would I would love to know what people and it's so early to know like what other teams are going to do. But with our again, our schedule is brutal. Next year, brutal. Otherwise. Brutal. So travel wise, travel wise, it's it's a, it's a upper half schedule talent wise, but it is a awful schedule travel wise. Are we taking hold on? Who do you all want off to know? Who do you all want off next year, VMIODU or JMU?

1:18:08 Because one of them's. Gone JMU. I want a showcase VMI game. I want VMI out in the showcase game first game. I don't. I don't want JMU off the schedule because right now JMU is the best home game on the schedule next year. They would draw depending, well, depending on what it's on, I don't know. But I'm saying like from a match up standpoint, everything else that is right now the best home game that we have on our schedule next year, that's a fucking problem. You know, he's talking about from a John Ball standpoint. No, no, no, I know what Brian said. He's saying from an eyeball standpoint, JMUVT is like a pinpoint game for people because they made the playoff. Virginia Tech is basically been the best team in Virginia in the last 30 years or so.

1:18:55 I know what you're saying, it's the eyeball thing. If we played JMU, Spencer, Coach Chaos was the defensive color writer from Florida. He was a huge scapegoat apparently. And that Gators team, they blamed his ass for how bad their defensive line was. So now he'd be playing against his old coach and fired his ass like I. Maybe. JMU cut VMI like that's that's that's the world we live in now. The JMU is a better draw than whoever else we got we. Give the flagship. Go ahead, Dan. Go ahead and say it depends on what the ACC schedules us for SMU, right? I think we're going to have a prime time Rd. game, first game of the season. That's what I think. Yeah. But but my point being like look at have you looked at the home schedule next year now that Brian hit a button?

1:19:42 He gone. It's bad. The home schedule is bad. The home schedule right now. BMIODUJMU, Virginia. Georgia Tech. Pitts, Stanford, BMI, Old Dominion or JMU will get cut. Somebody check on Brian for me? I don't think it'll be old to you because we already cancelled the series, so I don't think they're going to. It's going, it's going. JMU is going to be the one that's going to get cut, but I'd rather play JMU. I'm going to tell you why I want to be the flagship program in the state. I want to stay claim on the state so I want to go play JMUI, want to play JMU now, OK. I want to smoke JMU now before they get the opportunity to get strong OK again or get or be to the point. I want to smoke Jmui, want to beat ODU and I want to be UVA because that's the only way I say I'm the best program in the state.

1:20:35 But we're going to probably cut the JMU game that's kind of that's been out in the in the ether. Their AD has said that about it. But I want to play JMU. I want to pay JMU more than anybody else. BMI is going to be, you know, a 65 to nothing game, You know, just getting guys tuned up. I want to be ready because I got to turn around. I got to go to Maryland. I've got to go ahead and play ODUI want to be at my best man because the goal is the floor is 9 games. The floor is 9 regular season games. That's the floor. That's the floor. Hold on, hold on. I'm I'm saying this from the point that I don't think this is a barren program with no talent.

1:21:23 If you're if you're. Looking if you're I'm, I'm looking at 9 games, I can win 9 games, regular season games, I can go get a bowl. I've already booked. Man, I booked rooms for Charlotte every God damn year. Let's. Go every year I book Charlotte. Let's go. I book Charlotte every year. That's home for me. You know I would love to go home, but I'm just saying I book Charlotte every year so I'm expecting midnight diner baby. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What happens at midnight? Don't everybody don't get to know Dan. Come on, you got to be in a. Circle to know that. Yeah. But what I'm saying is when it comes to the flagship thing and people talk about JMU, it's like I always look at like if we want to recruit or JNU wants to recruit, who's getting that recruit? Yeah, yeah.

1:22:10 So there you go. I don't care if we play. I know. I know what Chris wants to do. I think he wants to squirrel stomp them and just put them. Into a GM like. Back in your place. I'm where you are you. Are not here, you are here. Listen, I have, I have one of my sons, you know, one of my adopted sons plays the JMU, OK? Our motto was always this, I want you to have a great game except for when you checking the kid and as long as you don't get the band played on you, I don't care. That's our motto, OK? I give him hell all the time. My whole point is I want to be JMU, I want to be Virginia, and I want to be the ODU because we are the flagship program of the state.

1:22:52 That's it. That's how it's got to be so. You know. I think that's the one cut though. Well, they're going to cut it, but why that one? If they're cutting it, is it a financial cut? Is it no. No, no, we got 13 games because. No, no, no, no, I get that. But of all the games, why cut cut? VMVMI said. Come on, VMI's a joke. It's shut up the moments on the. Board and So what what we're saying you. Know where VMI is but playing VMI is a joke. Fuck. Fuck their coach analyst on our team mate. Let's let's talk about something else though. No, no, no, no, no. Look at this guy. Hold on, hold on. Wait a SEC bro. Look at the schedule if that happens, if that happens, then you are going to likely get it's going to be a road game.

1:23:34 No, I don't think they'll give us road. They're going to give us a whole game. That is you. You don't like if I would love to get JMU at home and take SMU on the road first game of the season or whatever, you're going to showcase James Franklin against somebody other than VMI, right? Like you're not going to put James Franklin's first ever game on ESPNACC network like X like against Vemmy like that ain't go key. That's go moments on the Mori. But fucking get get the key. That's a home game in Lexington, so I can rent my place out. I'll give you a discount. I'll give you a discount if you come stay in my place.

1:24:17 I'm just saying what's probably going to end up happening. You're going to play VMI, but yeah, get get that dub out the way and start off from there. But I mean, let's, let's be honest, you turn around the end of September, if you're 3 and one or you're 4 and O Blacksburg's on fire, Everybody's running around, tits out, running, running the quad because we've been one way. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be crazy. Not me, I understand. But I mean, you know, hey, shameless as it might be, hey, go and get it out there. Get. It.

1:24:57 Out. There, but that's what you're looking for. You're you're, you're trying. You're trying. To get can they? Put that on a. Couldn't they put that anywhere? I think that's what. But what? Well, the whole thing also is that, I mean, look at the home schedule right now. So if if you if you kick JMU off the schedule, your best home game the whole year is going to be Brent Keys picked apart staff and roster. No no no pit Georgia. It's going to be the best game. It's. Going to be that's going. To be. A Oh my God. It's always a game. I mean, I think what you want. I want to fuck this burger. Fucking man, I'm I'm never going to get. Picked so 100 points.

1:25:42 Also, James Franklin hates Narduzzi. So yeah, it's true. It'd be fun to Dick shit Narduzzi for sure. And the thing with James? You is Bob. Hollywood Bob is going to take that roster or whoever he wants to LA. He going back to Cali with big. And you know what? I'm. Saying so like. A Napier is probably going to bring in something, but either way I don't know. And ready what you got. Port on the day. Anybody enrolled in early? For us. Those guys get up here. A Lot of those guys are we have, yeah, we had a lot of that said they were enrolling early. I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you. I know, I know two aren't aren't enrolling early. I know one is enrolling early.

1:26:30 I mean, but, but, but I mean, I but even even what you talk about for us when you talk about the other 26 kids. Yeah. Listen, I'm, I'm going to be totally honest with you. You ain't going. To see none of them. You're not seeing those 26 kids. The 26 kids aren't going to be the factor. I'm going to be honest with you, The factor It's going to be your portal kids. You mean the running back? No, no, no, no. Not with Overton and Hawkins. Hawkins might be a Ford, but like he's. Not going to be somebody else, but you want so many of them. Autumn Lineman. He's still selling and he's getting these kids to come. You're going to sit on your you're going to sit for a year and he's still coming.

1:27:15 There's going to be I'm just pretty damn impressive. I would have a lot of respect for that. I would have a ton of respect for that. If you can sign this class and y'all like y'all are going to sit. No, but it's not. So it's not so much that a kid comes here and sit, says hey, I'm going to sit. A kid comes here. I, I, I just got one, a kid comes here and he realized it's the difference between playing high school ball and playing, playing college ball. The speed is the speed is different. And if you don't get there in January, it's going to be hard for a kid to be able to get out there and start like if everything. Is a bad thing. When I say sit I don't think that's a bad thing. Like red shirts I love that.

1:27:55 But the kids mindset I assume is now I'm the best. Like I'm not sitting. Shit no and and they can want to be the best, but when they get there on college and they realize classes getting up extra early, I ain't there to wake your ass up to get you to go to fucking what are you supposed to? Get you? You got to be on time, the speed of it and there's 3-4 other guys. It's like fuck you. I don't excuse my French, but we we together, we drink it. Fuck you. I don't care about your stars. It's a different speed and they got to accommodate to that, and they don't accommodate to that till spring ball. They don't get it till spring ball. OK. And so once they get it in spring ball, then they start realizing, oh, I can play The only place where you can see a guy maybe playing early this year, Mickens can probably do it.

1:28:46 He's going to drop a little weight. He's going to get leaner. But man, what we fail to realize, man, is Jeffrey Overton junior didn't have a whole offseason. And we're at we're at an hour and 28 minutes into this broadcast. Jeffrey Overton, junior did not have an offseason and he still look like that. Of all the. Kids that signed in that class, I was more I wanted, I wanted Jeremiah Deloach, I wanted Jeffrey Overton Junior. Those are my two guys. I had to outside of my green run kids. Those are the two kids that I wanted to have come and Jeffrey Overton Junior. Stone Bridge, right? Who Overton?

1:29:28 Overton was at freedom then he went to. He went to hate. He went to hate hay field and they had they. Had that had all that bullshit happened? There you go. You said that I didn't as long as you said. It there was a whole lot of bullshit. Yeah, yeah. But. He was. The most he was he was the Gatorade player of the year and he was the only guy that I believe deserved to be the Gatorade player of the year. Outside the kid that I fed for the last 10 years of my life. He is everything in a bag of chips I love Jeffrey Overton Junior. He kept his red shirt too. FYI. Everybody he kept. His red shirt. Hey Let.

1:30:09 Me tell you this, let me one one name to keep an eye on that might have some impact in 2026 from the 2026 class out pretty soon. Wiggins. I'm not even going to say Wiggins. I think Wiggins could play, but Tyson Harley to me, just because of being a situational pass rusher, indeed, that and he's already got the body to, to, to play at this level. Indeed, that's the guy to to, to circle because guys that are just pass rushers can get them to feel early, just like a cornerback and get them to feel early, right. Same type of deal. Tyson Harley. Circle the name, Yeah. Beat this drum.

1:30:50 Beat this drum. The whole portal. Beat it. Damn. I know. Like we got a class coming that's going to be great and we got kids staying. That's cool. But if people, if talent wants to come, like Peyton Lewis, take them, I don't care. Like if you good enough to beat them out, beat them out. If you're not good enough to play, then you can figure it out. It's a slippery slope though. That's. A That's a crowded room. That's the problem. It's a crowded room. What a crowded room. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Well, we got 3. Runs right now, but yeah, you just can't get people to come because you got to pay them. Like, bro, you got to be strategic with where you put that money. When you get a kid that's been in the SEC, even if they're not playing, they're getting paid a certain amount of money. Most Phillips got paid. I ain't in his house, but he got paid a certain amount of money. Missouri.

1:31:36 He got paid a certain amount of money to go to Missouri and sit on the bench. All. And we couldn't use that amount of money, you know what I'm saying? We couldn't just prioritize the line. Hey, hey, so I'm I'm going to say I'm going to say this name to you, Dan me and you haven't talked offline on this. See if you're going to bring in Peyton, Peyton Lewis, you're forgetting the fact of the matter. You got Cam Seldon on your football team and Cam Seldon is totally playing himself out of his position. I'll say that out loud. Cam Selden is trying to become a wide receiver. He's a four, three guy who can fly. I I'm sorry man, if we. Was running back in Tennessee, right? Come on, come on, come on.

1:32:20 So certain people get help. Yeah. You know, if if you go back and look at the numbers, Cam Selden was like second in receptions. Curtis is Curtis is a stat guy because Sheldon ain't here. Cam Selden is like second in receptions because they wanted to get the ball in his hand and be able to get him to use that 43 speed. I'm telling you, there are some things that are going to happen in this. You got Mickens, you got you got Overton, we got Hawkins. We going to have a couple other guys going to running backroom that y'all ain't expecting. Well, how's this offense? How's the offense going to be different? That's I guess that's my thing 'cause it are all fine to spend like I.

1:33:03 Don't know how the office is going to be different. The fucking line. Well, the. Line's going to improve. The line has to improve for the auction to. Be improved and a border board starting. But he's bringing in a pocket passer like he's going to. You bet the line that'll be. I don't know if it's a true pocket passer. It's going to be somebody that can throw from the pocket with wiggle. It's not going to be a true dual threat if you if that's what we're talking about. Spit on it, Brian. Spit on the mic, Brian. Spit on the mic, Brian. That's it. Yeah. You're you're you're going to nobody you're getting. Broke up. Both are dual. Hey, here's here's here's here's the biggest thing you're going to have what time you're going to have a, you're going to have a full time. Coach something that. Kyron didn't have and that's going to be a big boost to that guy.

1:33:48 Sure you got full time, but if our offensive line. If. Our offensive line struggled to pass block last. Year and we're. We're going to get that much. Better that we can pass block this year that quick. That's my concern. Did you see this running the transfer portal? Anybody. Just today XX is in. 2525 billion. Dollars. You. Bringing Chaplin back. No, but great. I mean it. Was. Around a program with rent rod. Pays him? I hope so. But was quarterback. I mean, quarterback went like that, man. Come again? I didn't hear you. I'm sorry bro, quarterback ones going to be somewhere between like. 1 1/2 and 3 1/2.

1:34:31 Not, not a lot, OK. That's the market, that's. The market. I shared. This with some guys that I love. And I know. I'm Chris remember we streaming live FY right right pulling back this new town and the XO's is. Hidden right now if if if you, if you. Get you pay 10 million. You change this. Football team forever. You change this because you go. Get 4 offensive. Lineman and a quarterback, you've got enough skill pieces around you that you'll be able to be super Uber competitive in in this year. You're going to, you're going to pour you no, no, no. If you spend 10 total if you spend. 10. On offense for underlying and a quarterback, you already got a four-star.

1:35:20 Tight in on your roster? Already OK, he might not be able to block work for damn, but he's still a four-star guy. Hey, hey, I'm just saying, you know, can I say something? Too. Go ahead, Chris. I don't. Mean to jump in over you, but like. One of the things that we're going to see with a Tahal offense is we're going to see that tight end get some work right. So if you so we have we haven't had anybody that's been. Able to really dominate the middle of the field since Daquan Law, Daquan right, left to go to Ole Miss. You go and get that guy that can dominate the middle of the field. That means you draw more one on ones on the outsides and you give me a Aiden Green and you give me somebody else on the outside that can run one-on-one routes. I know that kid.

1:36:09 Yeah. Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm. I'm, I'm yeah, so. You'll be OK, but if you turn around and go get 4 offensive lineman and a quarterback because that quarterback you get is got to be a one year guy and then you got to have a backup guy who can go in. God forbid something happens to the number one because your future is hewn. That's your future. Yeah, Hume, Hume is your future. And and you give him a year inside the system with a with with. With DOB. I think we'll be fine. That's just an act of if there's an act of God where you can finesse probula and grump to both, you can. The thing is, you can do it.

1:36:55 The thing is you. Actually can do that. You're going to. You're going to. You're going to you're. Going to over. You can, so that's probably 5. Million for. For two quarterbacks. Right, you're going to overpay. You're going to overpay for your backup, right? Right. But you know what? I'm a fan. Hold on, I'm a. Fan of the San Francisco 40? Niners, we have the highest. Paid backup in the league. You know what? It's benefited us this year. You pay your backup. It's the reason they paid pop. Last year it was stupidity. We didn't play him some this year because the kid deserved a chance when it proved the offense couldn't work correctly. And the whole thing is you pay your back up because if that guy. Goes down. If it's prevailing Grunk and mine, let's say that's it.

1:37:36 You pay Privula 3, you give Grunk 2 and there's 5 right there. Do you have any fear if something happens to prevail like this year? He screws his leg. Up we're going to be. OK, Yeah, we're going to be OK. That kid can play too. The question is going to be, though. Hold on, wait a SEC. Hold on, wait a SEC. Hold on. Just for you, Dan, Hey. Sam. Levitt, Sam Levitt, Quarterback I. Had to do it. Sorry, Andre, it's an inside visionary season is a Sean Levitt, Sam Levitt fan account at this point. Oh, Andretti jumped off Anyway, what I what I was going to say though, is that you got 5 million tied up in in two quarterbacks. The question is going to be, is Grunt Meyer going to want to come to Blacksburg to be a backup? That's the question that that I think needs to be solved. Because if if he doesn't.

1:38:33 He's already tasted what being a starting quarterback in the Big 10 is light. Is Grunt Meyer going to want to come to Blacksburg to be a backup? I think you tell regardless of the money, I think he's telling me the chance to compete. For it. And if he if he fought? If he doesn't. Get it? He still. Has two years of eligibility to. What? Can't happen in the spring. What can't they do anymore? Transfer. They can't transfer you you. The way I feel about James. Franklin. And talent staring at. His phone, I don't know what he's reading. He's been reading for like 6 minutes, so he's reading something important. I feel like Franklin's that type of guy who lays things out and will sell to whoever he has, whether it's one or two guys, and he's like, this is how we're going to do.

1:39:18 You're going to compete. The best guy who's going to win. The best guy is going to win. But you've got multiple years of eligibility. You come in here and compete. I'm going to see you every single day. You know what's likely going to happen next year? You don't get that $1,000,000 pay moment. You don't go to three. Not at 2 anymore. But you got to sit with me this year too. And there you go, my biggest. Question on Franklin. Is how he manages all this. Nil money he. Had a ton of NIL money at Penn State and if you listen to that apparently audio that leaked audio, like they got top five in L money at Penn State. How do you manage that and how not so much how do you manage like who you sign, but how do you manage the locker room? And like somebody gets this or somebody gets that because those West Virginia guys like that Steve guy, the rumor is like he's like they just offered him more money and Frank's like that's above our pay skit for that freshman. So I'd be interested to know how he handles that because he's never jumped with that.

1:40:16 So, but you got, you got to understand what he had in that. Room. He had three NFL guys. Out the gate, Nick Singleton, NFL guy, right? Katron Allen, NFL guy, one of his touches, right. Drew Aller, NFL guy, right. And so you turn around, the piece that they lost was Todd Warren. And the outside guys weren't ready. They didn't they wouldn't get Pena from Syracuse, you know what I'm saying? They didn't have any outside guys from the throat of football. So that that kind of really, even though this was supposed to be a senior laden team that they had, they didn't have any outside guys that could really, you know, be able to enhance Drew Aller. And Drew Aller went from you go back and look at his numbers from his sophomore year to his junior year, his junior, he was excellent.

1:41:07 He was just trying to take the next step up. So man, this is just, this is just a chip in a lot of different households, including mine. It's chip on shoulder season, man. It's chip on shoulder. You know, I got fired wrong. I got stuff to prove. You know, we're sitting here on the 26th, you know, we drinking and January 2nd is going to be going to be Christmas again, because you're going to be able to see, oh man, that that's going to be that's going to be crazy. Man, that second is. Going to be. Crazy. You know, some of us going to have most of y'all, everybody in this room going to have their mortgage paid and everything going to be straight. It's going to be a lot of folks trying to get the mortgage paid on the second because it's going to be a lot of folks who's going to enter into that portal and it's going to be a lot of different things.

1:41:56 It's going to pop off. That's going to change the fortunes of this football team in a different way. And so many reports, man, early reports the North Pole is that portal Santa is in the best shape of his life. Yeah, he he, he is shape. He is shape. We want to we're hearing some. We're hearing some as many as like 18 plus Penn State. Guys ready? To ride over to Blacksburg, but I would be absolutely floored if we get a huge exodus of Penn. State. I hope I'm wrong and I want to be wrong. I would be floored if we get a huge accident of Penn State to Vt. What's huge? What's the number? I had AI, had a dude tell me. You know, you know he a food service.

1:42:38 Guy he, his number was 44 guys, 44 guys, he said. Food. Service guy. Hey. He said total 40. 4 Four guys in the portal from us for us, we were going to have a flip over of 40. Four guys. When we. When he hit, when he when he went through the numbers, not me, I was just doing the math, but when he went through the numbers, it's like 44 guys 4 out out out of how many? Hold on, what's the roster?

1:43:19 Right there we got 100. We got 105 guys. We. Got 100 five guys. We got 105. Scholarships. I was graduating. Yeah. Hold on. Wait the. Biggest The biggest complaint? That I heard on Penn. State guys was they were so. Pissed. Off that, Franklin gave Liam Clifford any nil money at all because his name is Liam Clifford. Is that why? And they were. Like why are we paying Lee and Clifford to come back? To be a a number. Five wide receiver. That was their biggest complaint. We are 44. We are looking at 44. Chris and I broke it down when Chris, Hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. We broke it down.

1:44:00 It wasn't crazy. It wasn't crazy. It wasn't crazy. He was he was spot on. Wait 44? So like more than half our roster down. James Franklin does. Not like them. Yeah, that's like Judge Williams when he came in and was like, no, you suck. What? The hell. All right, so. Half the offensive line is gone. Got it? Cool. We know that. No, no, no. See. See what we're what we're missing is we're not looking at graduating. Guys, well, that's our question. How many we got leaving? Yeah, that's like 15 or 20 by themselves. That's like, that's like. Half of it, OK. We're walk ONS, are we losing walk ONS that we're walk ONS that aren't getting there's? Technical. That that that's the exercise for y'all to do off of this.

1:44:42 Podcast. No, we're going to do it right now. I'm going to pull it up. No Curtis. No, Curtis. Don't crunch the numbers right now. No mad, don't press the. Numbers, Curtis put. It in ChatGPT Put it in ChatGPT that we. Could do. Hey, Curtis, you don't want to. Have that tape, but I'm telling you. You got about what when me? When me and me and Dan did it, we were legitimate. It was about 44 guys. It's another 24 guys on this, on this. So we're talking about 20 Penn State guys and another 2015 to 20. Coming in from the portal elsewhere, y'all y'all are y'all counting the graduates? Because the. Guys who? Graduate. I'm not counting anything.

1:45:23 We were count. I was. Counting kids I would keep from our team that's still in eligibility. Yes, Nomad. OK. And then you add hold. On here We Go, Brent Clatter. Bra. Yes. Oh. Yeah, keeping. Them. Are we just doing the rundown? We just started at the top doing the rundown. Don't do that, Curtis. That's not good. That's that's. That's not good content. That's not good content. Eight guys are coming to tech. I think that's a more relevant question. You said, you said. What's #20 You said 20 What's? Temper do you consider huge. Bill. I think 20 would be incredible. I really do like. We had. 31st off we had 30 guys leave last year. You brought 30 guys in last year. The caliber of guys that you brought in were not the caliber that you had on this team that left. Can we say that?

1:46:20 Can we can we say that and not be in trouble? That does happen on a three and nine team. That is the team. So so that math. Is Matting. That math is matting. So if you bring 30 guys. In that. Are 3343 to four-star guys higher? You can bring 30 guys in. I would prefer to bring in more kids that are not from Penn State in the portal because to me that shows more influence and range from Franklin than just because you're not going to be able to go to the Penn State. Well, every year you see what I'm saying? So, right, although to his point, he's probably not going to be going to the transfer. Portal. Well. Heavy. Like he like he is this year, every year.

1:47:01 So he doesn't have, he doesn't have to like this year. He can lead on Penn State because he already has that connection. Going forward, he's going to have to be pulling guys from other places. 16 left Penn State last year. 8 went to Penn State last year. He is not the big. He is not Dabo Sweeney basically saying one guy, but he is looking for very specific the best teams. The best teams build through high school. Absolutely, initially. Initially you can have a spark, a portal, but. You better. Build through high school, right? We were able to coach them up, so you've got to be able to get 22 to 2022.

1:47:42 To 28 kids in high school every year to keep your team building through high school. But this year will be the exception because you have 25 kids that were in the that were at Penn State that you're going to draw from, you're going to have 20. You know, you don't have those kids you're going to be bringing, right? So this should be an extension. This should be an extension. Right this year is. Like a gutting out he's going to get rid of right the what's what he doesn't feel is. Worth, he feels like. Trimming the fat. He's trimming the fat, he feels like. Yeah, right. Trimming the fat. He's getting rid of what he feels is worthless.

1:48:22 But I'm going to say. This. Real quick, I'm. Going to go back to Brent Pry real quick. Yeah, We got to go back to Brent. Now I want to talk about Brent for one reason, because when we sat on. This program. Four years ago, that wasn't pretty. Four years ago I was really drunk. Really drunk. Not like this year, I'm sober. This year, but. If you look at where we are. As far as it goes. Recruiting. How it wise and all that internally? How much? Better and I'm looking. At Tally and Brian because we talked. About because four years. Ago, we were drunk. We were. Mad. We were six and six. We had 520. We were in the garbage dumps, but we look at our talent and it was just like, God, it's, it's no talent here. We've burned all the bridges.

1:49:07 We started reading the stories. Every bridge burned in the region, every bridge burned in Virginia. And then you started looking at the talent and everybody's like when, when, when, when Brett came in 2022 and we won three frigging games. It was just. Like, oh, this team's terrible. This is horrible. He's a horrible coach. And it's like, no, not really, because we started looking at how many of those guys went pro, how many of those guys went to other teams and succeeded. Little, right, little to none. And then I. Look at the roster. This year and you see guys like Noah Chambers play. You see, Jeff? Overton junior play you see a guy like Kalor tuner who ungodly I mean Brian you played D3 that kid is a red shirt freshman starting as a center and he played pretty daggone good yeah I feel like where we were four years ago to where we are now just. Talent wise.

1:49:59 In that building is significantly higher. And I don't. Know if anybody? Else feels that way. If somebody doesn't feel that way, then say it. We need to get this guy on here because he's saying no Devil dogs where? Where's he at? Where's he at? I'm drunk. I would agree. Though shout out to pride for that and and Franklin even said. Like he resurrected. Like he brought the Virginia back into Virginia Tech with that because Fuente gave no fucks about Virginia. Like I could say that. I could say that he could coach up a first quarter and a half, but I mean, he didn't give a shit about recruiting Virginia.

1:50:40 So Brent Pryde, Richmond, TX Brent Pryde got. A a rent he got. A shell of a house. When he came here, sure, absolutely. Brent Pryde had. He got very few PP five guys at that time on his roster. Brent Pry in the two years in the three years he was. Here. He has his 20, his 23 class, his 24 and his 25 class have Division 1P4 talent. What James Franklin is going to do on a on a hyper level is take that talent, boost it up, give it accountability, make them get them coached hard that the majority's kids want to and then add to it that.

1:51:32 It's going to be iron. Sharpen iron What? What James Franklin's going to get compared to a? Brent. Pride got is night and day as a football team there we're talking about 40 kids. Well, James Franklin's also how many X times better of a head football. Coach right, but but but but and and and and besides that of him being a being a better HC. But the thing about it is that the evaluation of talent that he's going to have to work with, he's not coming bare bones. You got to remember, Belichick turned around and brought in 70 guys to the portal. We're talking about 40.

1:52:14 Yeah, Well, well, excuse me. Dan's talking about 40 to 44. Dan's talking about 40. It's alleged he. Got a homeboy? That might agree with him, but there's 40 that yeah, you talk about 40 kids too. But is it, is it harder? Because I don't think it's harder to get people to come to Blacksburg. Than Happy Valley. I don't think there's much difference. Well, no difference is going to be who you're making play it against. Yeah, I only know one. I only know one family that has a hard time. Deciding between Blacksburg and Hampton Valley sounds like the Poindexter family is who it sounds like let's know know who know who's on the. Staff know who's on the staff. Well, you got one regardless.

1:52:56 I, I I only know one family that didn't want to deal with. Ice. Cream and bowling all the time. Anybody else? They got their own differences. I only know of one family. I can only attest to one family. But at the end of the day, Blacksburg, Blacksburg is just different. Blacksburg is. Home Blacksburg. Blacksburg. Will always be home. I'm, I mean, I'm a Carolina guy. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm Michael Jordan, you know, I'm Jimmy Black, Carolina guy. OK. And if anybody knows who Jimmy Black is, they will understand. I'm a Jimmy Black basketball guy.

1:53:37 I've been a Carolina guy my whole life. Whole life. Famous Amos Lawrence was my favorite football player from Carolina. But I'm a hokey because I love this program, what this program brings. So we'll be OK. What's going on? Nothing much. How are y'all you drunk? What are you drinking on? What you drinking on? What drink Coke, man? Woodford. And Coke. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Woodford occur that's. My guy. So what you got? Go ahead, go ahead. Bro I was going to say what you what you got. For us. Hey. It looks great. Man I I enjoy. Everything y'all doing?

1:54:20 Here and everything and I've got it going. Hey, man. What? Kind of shirt you got on Alabama Internet. That's. Fine, no, But the Internet's great. The Internet's great.

1:55:03 And two. That that me is is is hidden. So I got the got the drug. Working for me, but no, man, I'm just taking everything in. I mean everything that's being said, I'm kind of I mean it feels, feels tags as it all show me, you know what I'm saying? Like we probably need to come back after the portal is open and we get the, the, the guys in and, and come back and reconvene on this state of the program. Because we don't really, this is the state of the program in December. You know what I'm saying? The state of the program in January is going to be totally different. We still haven't got, we still haven't got the real, the real players that we need to come back. We haven't got those running backs yet. You know, there's still some running backs that we got to get in.

1:55:49 That's still the portal guys that we got to see. We need to know who our quarterback is. And I'm telling you, you got to go get 3 to 4 office alignment to go out here and you got to win eight games. You got to put that much money. To put that much money as you're putting in that program. You got to win 8 to 9 games. You got to tally. There was a yeah, there was a text message you dropped. That that had the. The run it. Backs, you need to see hey, hey, hey, hey. I ain't going to drop no names. I'm just saying I'm not dropping. No names, but I know I. Know the names that Tally needs to see before you feel feel like something. Noah Chamber. Come on back, baby.

1:56:32 Yeah. Anybody from the DMV? Gonzaga. Demand any of those guys need the Keelan Adams run it back stat. Where's Emmett Laws at? We he was. He. I mean, he, it seemed like he did some stuff for us. And we never seen him again. Man, I love Emmett, I like seeing him. I like to see him. Yeah. Any kid that takes the train 5. Hours a day. Just to go to a better. School to make it out. Has. He built different, no doubt. No doubt that's like 30 for. 30s eventually like in the NFL. And this is how we started. Like 100% what happened to him.

1:57:13 I know it's a lot. Well, South Carolina. Wasn't worth the fuck. Is #1. So we thought South Carolina. Was a much better team than they was. So when you started going into the season and then we looked like we were OK and then wheels fell off and then the coach gets fired, A lot of different things happened. You know, some kids, I mean, we, we're not going to say some kids didn't say some kids because like, you know, I need to hold off and see who's coming here. Let me see what's going on before I go out here and waste my eligible, you know, waste my eligibility. So I think stuff like that kind of happen.

1:57:54 Yeah. Give me 4 starting. Offensive lineman in the portal and a couple death pieces. Yeah, I think that that's you got to start building in the trenches. Whether it's running backs or whether it's. Portal like that, when you look at the way winning teams win consistently is that they were consistently good at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the football. If you spend 5 to $6 million on a starting offensive line in the portal, that's the best 5:00 to. $6 million you spend it. No, no, no. You said offensive line put 5 to 6 billion. Dollars on both. Sides of the lines you spend 4 million on the D line. In the offensive line, you.

1:58:35 Will be significantly. Better from jump because you need 2 edges and two DTS regardless of the running backs, Yeah. We need some. Demons on. The. On the defensive end side, go get me, go. Get Me 99 from Penn State. Don't get. Him, 99, from Penn. State you. Ain't got to look it up. He. Said say the name, so I don't. Get him. Are we getting Hollywood? Smothers. I saw that we're we're trying to get Hollywood Smothers. Like you're kidding me. I was shocked. I'm telling. You I don't need a Hollywood. Smothers agreed. That's why I'm shocked.

1:59:15 I don't understand. I need 6 months. Jeffrey Overson. Junior on a rehab. Hollywood's mothers line is what we need, not. I don't, I don't think. I don't think you need more. Running back depth, I'm going to be honest. With you, if you keep the running backs you have now and I'm talking about a Jeremiah. Kony. I'm talking about, I'm talking about a shoot. You keep, you keep. You keep, Mason. You keep, Mason, you keep. You keep. Hard and Messiah. And. With Seldon. And you keep Seldon as a.

1:59:56 Hybrid, you're fine. I think the. Biggest time you want to spend your money is on your offensive line. You bring another, bring another. Two tight ends. And. A QB. And a corner and your and. Your QB. We need 3 QBs right? I mean, we got a. Bring it in you. You need 2. My my my suggestion is you need 2. You need 2 because you got two true freshmen that's going to be red shirt freshman this year. Then you got. Hume coming in so. If you get to your third quarterback, you fucked anyway, so it ain't fucking paying. Money for that? Well, you fucked. Anyway, you're done. You're done. You're done. I mean shit. They were three and nine guys with our QB.

2:00:37 One. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So like you break in two, you got to bring in two but. Beyond. That you keep the two guys that you got on the roster and like I said, because if you get to QB three, you fucked in that season anyway. I don't think people really understand. People don't really understand. The talent difference. That you're going to see with James Franklin being there number one and #2 the team difference that you have when your when your trenches look better. Our offensive line has been in disarray for a long time. Even when our offensive line was good in the last couple of years, it's been in disarray. So when we get a consistent offensive line that we're going to trot the same guys out to go play unless somebody gets hurt that you don't want, but it has happened, you know what I'm saying?

2:01:25 If you can trot the same guys out and you get some continuity on the line, you're going to see a lot better offense no matter who's back there. But you got to get a quarterback that can run the system that you have. You know, we just didn't we we were just, we've been in, we've been just in flux for probably about three years. So you want to get Tori and Gray back? They're trying. Going to Florida, I saw him. Is he going to? Florida or no staying? In South Carolina, I mean staying. By. The way. That is a brave move by Tori and Gray, because Devil. Dog, you're right. He probably should leave there because I'm sorry, I don't. Yeah, Shane, he's a freaking hokey. Yeah, but he's getting a whole $1,000,000. He's making his money.

2:02:11 This. Year and if he has to move it he's. Shane got a lot of them not to that team, so Shane was there. With him, that's the whole thing. Doesn't have to move his. Family doesn't have. To do anything, play the loyalty card too. I think he's I that's. What I why, why, Why uproot everything? So I've got a flag. I've got a flag right here. That's that's. That's that's signed. By Torian Gray There's a flag over. Here it's signed by Torian. Gray, He's a. Hokey. He's been here. His. His. Family's his. Family moved over here. Yeah, but his family right now is in South Carolina, so he's probably showing me two. Like give.

2:02:52 Me a year. Let me see who you're working with. Oh yeah, it's 4 hours, 5 hours behind the scenes. He has Sir, behind the scenes, a lot of the stuff that these cultures say that. These cultures. Do man you? Know what I'm saying? Like Shane has said a lot. Of stuff about Virginia. Tech, some of the stuff he's right, but some of the stuff he can't come back from. You know what I'm saying, what he said, the parents, what he said, the players, what he said. The schools in Virginia, Toy and Gray has been the same way. They've had to negatively recruit against Virginia Tech for a long time. So you can't just automatically hit a switch and go, you know, Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a hokey. I'm coming back. Like sometimes you build it in and and sometimes you feel like you were done wrong by a place. So you want?

2:03:37 To prove them wrong. So I kind of feel like that's what it is with some of the people reached out who we've kind of reached, who we've kind of talking shit. You're going to talk. I kind of Freeman. Look if Marcus Freeman takes his. Giants job. I want that cornerback. Coach from Notre Dame, if we. Can get. Them. Yeah. Wow. He did that Giants job now at this point he could have taken. It weeks ago right if he if. Freeman take if Freeman takes the Giants. Job we you can have three reddishes in Virginia Tech and and the DB coach back. I mean, it's it's a lot of moving parts, man. It's a lot of moving parts going on. I'll take two reddishes.

2:04:27 Listen first. I know. But the other one, I want the other Reg. He wants the other Reg. And hit listen. I'll. Take Joseph. I'll take. I'll take. Any seven O 4 kid I can get because I I vouch for every seven O 4 kid that comes out because they definitely different olds. Seven O 4 / 7 five seven for a long time. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Chris, I'm no bring it in. Don't do. That I love. Myself. God. It's not that I don't. Love them. It's not that I don't love them. It's not it's not an anti love.

2:05:07 I just, and I'm sorry, I've had too many beers, 7 to 3, two. I like that too, but I'm just staying. I don't know. You go. I am. I am biased to Independence High School kids. I am. Biased to West Charlotte kids. I am biased to north Mecklenburg kids. Seven O 4 kids are absolutely different. So about 336 baby. Hey, I'm just I'm just saying right now you just play it by you let you let it flow out the way it needs to. But if I can keep Q radish and he knows how I feel about him and we talk about it, personally, I want him to stay. And if his brother can come, I'm definitely excited about that as well. So it is, Hey, I'm not biased.

2:05:51 I'm not biased on on on Virginia, on Virginia. Tech on Virginia football players. But we're not producing football players these days. It's different. If we're not, we're just not. Yeah, I. Agree. I agree, Tyler, I agree. We get the ones. That produce. We we got to start getting four in the top. 10 every year. Every year. I agree. I agree. 4IN Mineral. The running back in Mineral. Should be. Coming down here. Hey, hey, listen, Savion.

2:06:34 Savion Hitter is an absolute Sunday guy. I agree. You should be coming down here. I mean, listen, sometimes it's too. Close to home savior Travis. Johnson Travis Johnson has an opportunity to be a Sunday guy. We need to have a. Conversation. About being better in the 804. Because because what's going on is that there's about 3 kids in the 804 that. In the Virginia Top. 10 every year and we are maybe hitting on one of them, usually not hitting on on them. They got a couple that are going, they got a couple that are going up to the street, up from one of the road. And I'm not a.

2:07:15 Big. Fan I saw Bull Richardson play 3 times this year. I wanted Bull. Richardson. And Virginia Tech, we need to start tapping into Verona a little bit better because Verona historically has not been good. They always been at UVA school. Yeah, but we got, we got, we got to make some inroads, man. We got to make some inroads the. Thing is, is Virginia, like I feel like me being in Alabama and me. Listening to a lot. Of Virginia people, y'all can get on there if you want to. Like I feel like y'all are a little spoiled because a lot of people they say you know these kids should be playing from Virginia Tech. This is home and this is where they should be playing in front of their families. Blacksburg is a weird ass place. Like I can get the Blacksburg quicker than some people in Virginia that can get the Blacksburg.

2:07:57 This is 7 hours, 6 hours, 5 hours for some of these kids to go to the Blacksburg place. They can go to UVAI mean they can go to UNC. And be. Closer. To home than they can Virginia Tech. So you can't say like Virginia should be home to Virginia kids. You have to make it home. You got to make it home and you got to put the product on the video and we have that. Let me get this out though. You got to get this out you. Got to put people in the league. And you got to put them in the league where they Rep Virginia Tech like we had it. You don't have you don't have Jay Lane. Jay Lane is. A Virginia Tech guy. But you don't have. Jay Lane just walking to Virginia Tech line right now, coming back to the games and doing all of that stuff.

2:08:39 And when they looked at it, they was like, what was the team? You know? You know what I'm saying? We got to get back to the we're putting people in the league and then they're looking at Virginia Tech like we know what. We're getting. When this person comes like Penn State, I can't. I can't say that. So when Penn State guys go to the league, they knew what they're getting. Out of them, they know what they're getting out of Tyler. Warren, they know what they're getting out of thank Quan Barkley. You know, all of the lineman that's come from Penn State, they everybody knows what they're getting. When we start getting back to that, then you open up the door and people go walk through. I mean, you start Brett probably started it because yeah, that's the way. Yeah. Yeah, that's the way I thought. You know, Chance Niggins or Keelan. Adams was going to Virginia Tech.

2:09:21 Until Brett Price started pulling kids like that. I agree. Hey, Dave, Dave, do me a favor. I fucking agree. Hey. Dave, listen to me. Where? Are you listening to us at? What? App, YouTube or somewhere else? Or it's YouTube. Like mute your. YouTube in the background because you can hear. Us Live. We're getting feedback. From. You so mute the YouTube you'll you'll still hear us on stream yard. You'll be good. So no, no, no. But that's the point though that. That you made tally is perfect. The reason we used to. Oh, he left. He need leave. No, come back. Come back. I think you.

2:10:01 Pressed the wrong button. I think you pressed the wrong button. Hit the wrong button, tally is. Right tally is 100. Percent that Woodford gets that for you man. The whole thing is, why did we? Get them back in the day, Phil. We were fucking. Winning 10 games, we were. Fucking top ten, bro. We were winning. We had, we had an attitude like we, we were Virginia Tech. It was different. It was just. Different. It's different. It was exactly, it was different, it was different, it was different. Like I can't explain it any other way than it was just different. The attitude was different. The like, you go back in some of those games, we were knocking motherfuckers out and like, let's hey, we would have had so many people ejected, we would have been able to field a.

2:10:42 Team. Somewhere let me say this. Right. Let me, let me get this, James. Franklin said it best. When he said it to the players, Virginia Tech was a sexy team. They were taking names and whipping ass and that's what we got to get back to. I'm telling you without question, that's what they going to get back to. That's what we need, whipping ass and and that will bring everything. That they. Want all the money we talked about this $20 million gift that was gotten this money they talk about and that's going to get there is a. Faction. Of this fan base I'm I'm an outsider just recently here there's a faction this fan base that didn't like the way that Frank got sent out of here because they he to them he built it he should maybe go out the same way Jay Joe Paul went out the same way Bear Bryant went out he should he didn't get that opportunity and they held their money back Franklin gives them the cachet I'm telling you the reason why Pryor is out because they were not going to give him that money to be able to do the different things he need to be able to do They were willing to give that to Franklin because he had the cachet well he's a professional he's a professional like he's a professional no, no, he no that's.

2:12:05 It looks like compared to what we did have, he's. A straight professor? No, I think he he. He's he's had enough time on task at the. Job See, I don't want to take away from Brent Private. He wasn't professional. He had enough time on task on the job to be able to decipher let me let my coordinators do what they need to do and I do my part and get us to the next level. His problem was he was fighting giants like Ohio State, Michigan to get to that next step. He ain't got those giants over here. He might have a he might have a Clemson, he might have a Florida State and he might have a Miami. But he can, he can situate and he can maneuver around that nine games is your, is your, is your, is your floor 9 games is your floor 9 games, nine games of money. We'll 4 the fuck 9 games we weren't in the 6th we we've learned in Blacksburg down.

2:13:06 But we know. Our. Schedule. We don't. We know who we're playing, but we don't know our schedule. Yet I mean God. Damn, we will. Literally. I mean dude, 9 games we'll burn. Hey, listen, Tony Elliott got a contract extension off. Of 10 games and. What he did you, you got a lifetime contract. That who, man? You turn around. We get to Charlotte this year when when we get to Charlotte this. Year. We're at the Midnight Bar, we're at the Midnight Cafe. I'm going to put some money on me when me, Dan and whoever else. Assassin show up at the Midnight Cafe in Charlotte. If we make the match, if we make the if we make Charlotte you.

2:13:48 You and me, we will be there together. I'm always. Down to go home let's. Go you think about this though for. Real for real let. Me say this so. Feel I know you're pretty involved with Virginia Tech sports. And. I don't know your pockets, I don't know how much you give and all of that, but I give a little bit, right? I have give and and I show up to shit. You know, I didn't show up to anything this year. I didn't give anything this year because I wasn't invested in the program we went to. We went to Atlanta twice, which is 3 hours away from me and everybody was like talent, I don't want to see you in Atlanta.

2:14:31 I was like, no, you're not. I'm not going to Atlanta. Why would I go and waste my money and time? Because I knew I knew what this year was right. So with that being said, I'm not saying it's all about money, but think about what you as a donor feel with just what we have so far. We ain't even done nothing yet. And and I'm already like. Let me go ahead. And get my 1 here, almost $50 here. Let me go ahead and get ready for the spring game, right? Let me go ahead and contribute, think about what's going to happen when we go out here and then this portal comes through because he he did this in the he did this in the high school ranks. He's going to go get some portal guys. And then he's putting together a really good staff. I said really good staff.

2:15:21 Let's wait next to, but he's putting together a solid staff, right? OK, so wait, wait, aside from like personally and like. Aside from his like main bosses of offensive and defensive coordinator, I feel great about everybody below that. Everybody below that I'm confident in Brent Pryor. You know how I feel about him. But wait, you know how I feel about Brent Pryor and I don't know about Tyler Bowen AI version yet, but I'm going to need to see because they are literally like the AI original version three years ago of each other by pitcher. Like they are like that is not Tyler Bowen.

2:16:02 That is Ty the other guy, Ty, Hallie like that. Sorry, I can't keep shit together right now. Just thinking about it. If you all can put them together, it's not right. Like something's wrong, something's not right. But I agree with us. I agree. I agree, although there was the story that he didn't want Andy. Kolenecki. Two years ago, he wanted Ty to be his OC. Couldn't have told him to shave his fucking beard though. Sweet. That didn't look like our last guy. Come on man, shave your beard. Sorry, do a good team. Do a man look man? We're not shitting. We're not shitting on beards. Phil, we're not shitting on beards. Let's not shit on beards. Some of us work really hard.

2:16:44 Sacrifice over there. You chose to mute yourself. Phil, I tried to unmute you minute. Mute. Moving around the horn at the. Party, right? Now. I don't know if that's. Behind the horn thing. I'm doing it myself. Hey. I got AI, got a quick question before we go for it. Did did Jeremy? Decide to come and show up tonight or no So Jeremy had was the last minute tap out his wife. Is Uber, He's got a very pregnant wife and he had the had the last minute tap out. I was, I was, I was very distraught. But he's like, I'm going to be back next year.

2:17:26 Full. Force I have. I have missed going there. I have missed going to. There going to pharmacy three times going to games man I just want to go in there and get that dude a hug during game before game day but I want to make sure I. Get to the cheer and get my dude. A hug I. Love that man. He is. He is like one of the one of the best things I've lived there, man. He'll. Give you give you the shirt off his back, he'll. He'll, He'll do. Anything man, he's a good dude man. Joe Jeremy counts. Jeremy Counts saved my kids life. Literally and the. Crazy thing is. Me and Brian when we started. Talking to him, he came. Sponsoring everything. We started chatting with him. He married a girl that was from our hometown. She was in high school when Brian was high school and everybody's like big ass world ain't a big ass world. It's a small ass world.

2:18:20 That was crazy because I'm like, Brian, did you know her? The world's tiny. I mean, then we found. Out, Sheldon. His, his family got a got got a spot up in in Lexington. No Vernon, Vernon Hill. Vernon Hill. He's got a spot in Vernon Hill. His dad went, I think something with BMI. Shelton went to BMI for two years or something. Where the hell is Sheldon tonight? The show went to. His dad went to. BMI his dad. Went to BMI, Dad went. To BMI and I'm then it's over. He should have given. Anxiety Medicine. At a. Discount for tech. Fans for the last fucking five years, man. You know what? The My favorite part about having Jeremy on is. I get. I get.

2:19:01 I get to do. The he pays the bills, he fills the pills like sign on me. Do you know why I went to BMI? Why is that? Because. I got rejected by. Virginia Tech. Certainly. My dad's parents. My dad's family went to V, went to Virginia Tech and I was like all right, fuck y'all, I'm going to VMI and I can feel my grandfather rolling the grave as I went to VMI. They got accepted Virginia Tech. When you were at VMI, did you play Virginia Tech? Thanksgiving.

2:19:43 Ever. No. When am I that old? Well, I looked at old. The end. Of the. Season. Well, I looked at old. Well, I can't tell the Internet. 'S it's fuzzy. I'm on that one. They said the. Internet is hammered. Phil and Eric are about the. Same number of drinks deep I think. What year? I went in 9790. 8. OK. All right. So I'm about I'm. I'm a little older than. Y'all than most of the. Guys here, yeah, not, not too much older than us. You got about seven years on us in fucking. Drunken no wait 9795 was drunken mother and 97 was. The the the Orange Bowl, we got our ass handed over us in Nebraska.

2:20:32 Well, we beat Miami that year because I was at BMI and we. Beat them 16 nothing after going O and two you know I knew we were fucked in that. Orange Bowl against Nebraska. I was there. It was called Joe Robbie Stadium. The tech Busters rolled through. There was two of them. Whoo go Hokies, let's go 2 buses. The Nebraska buses roll by. There were five of them. The entire sideline was full of Nebraska corn fed, white ass, big ass motherfuckers that if they were in this world, in NIL world would have been dispersed making a million and a half dollars each across the fucking country all over. They would have been making money. But no, they were walk ONS because they decided I don't want to be a backup player Michigan. I want to walk on at Nebraska because it's fucking Nebraska. It's the stupidest shit ever.

2:21:28 Fuck, it's the dumbest shit ever. And and this is the last thing. All right, I'm going to mute myself again. We have a running back on our team. I forgot his name but he may or may not have been accused of rape and he was not. But he was at the Game 5 rows in front of me on the corner of. Joe Rivie Stadium. We drove to Miami mute for one minute. Oh. God, wow. Oh God, I love you guys. I'm going to walk on to Nebraska.

2:22:09 Hey. Hey, you know. What? Hey, Lavar, liked that one. I like. That I like that we're trying to get Chris. Back on here. He's just spinning here. He's spinning. He got Tally in her now. Right now. Nebraska had a bunch of Nebraska had a bunch of Lassiters from the. Program on. That on that. Team. Hey, yes, I met I met Ron and Tally. And Dan and Vanderbilt. Oh, sure. Yes, Sir, It was a good time. It was a good time until it. Wasn't I got I got a sunburn and a broken heart in. That in that stadium. Look at the 9 pieces and a liver. Yeah.

2:22:51 My heart grew. Like the Grinches and then was ripped out of my body and. Bit. In 2, but I met Tally. I met Tally at the Grievous basket. Grievous. Baskets Minute, minute, minute, minute time out. Fuck Grievous. I met Tally. I met Tally at the Purdue game. Whoa, you. Met. How did we not meet you for the game? Well, I. Didn't meet him, but he came down. Came down. He came down in the South end. Zone. He came down in the South end zone with nothing but an orange on. I was like. Damn it, that's. Talent. My wife is like.

2:23:32 How do all these people? Know you when we go. Places I'm like I look a little bit different. Than those people because you're a podcast guy. Oh. Shit. Man, I'm. Excited about the spring game is everybody. Going I'll be at the spring. Game I'm going to be there with Belle Draw. Are we playing? Are we? Playing VMI? I'll do that. We should play VMI. At the Spring game, yeah, we should play VMI. Let's just. Move VMI out. Of the spring. There we go. That's what needs to. Happen little warm. Up little. Warm up you talk about. We all talked. About the bowl games earlier, it's like bowl games are a joke now. They're now the discussion is are they going to move bowl games to the beginning of the season? That Cal Hawaii game was literally an MMA fight like it was.

2:24:20 Like I hate you. You hate. You won't schedule me. I won't schedule you. Damn it, I hate. You like it was a lot of. Punching going on in that. Game, it was great. How would the logistics work if you moved the ball game to the beginning of the year? Well, how many? How many? Damn. Games are they put off site anyway? But I mean like, no, I mean like with deciding who plays in them. I think it's just what did all go wrong with DCS I think. It's just. All right, because like. If you move into the beginning, I mean literally. There are three games on back-to-back to back like there's nothing on today. Like what are you going to watch? What are you going to watch Christmas in Connecticut on the Hallmark Channel for the third time, Like, oh, you're going to watch.

2:25:03 You're going to watch Western Kentucky. Place Western Michigan in the. Chicken Bowl. While you camera bearding. Yeah. While your wife yells at you for not. Cleaning up the Christmas shit quicker. Like. Literally that's the bowl full season. That is the ball season. It's great. Kind of ridiculous. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know how you do it in the beginning. I think that's a great plan in the beginning. Of the season I do. I think that's awesome. But like you can't tell people the games don't count. You can't can't tell that anymore. I got a fake out this. Isn't real. It's like. Got the idea I'm. Hammering, I got the. Idea. Hold on everybody, be quiet. I got the idea.

2:25:45 No. Every season, OK, everybody pitches about how everybody. Pitches about how? Well, we don't get. To hit anybody until the 1st week of the season. Well, mother fucker, we're going to put this two weeks before the 1st week of the season. Go out and hit somebody in Orlando. I don't know, we're going to go tear the ACL from the council. Yeah, hold on. Hold. On but the FBT goes back to the NFL. Because a lot of the big. Guys played in the NFL. Pre season they even alright so but but that's weird because like the team that earned the bowl isn't the team playing in the bowl don't matter. It's ratings, it's TD. I get that, but like, it's still funky to be man.

2:26:27 What if? We still I'm pretty sure drones would have sat out and for preparation. For the, for the, for the draft. What if? What if we let the BCS decide the 12 team playoff? Yeah, I'm with that, the BCS, I would much prefer that. Selection committee because. The problem with the BCS. Wasn't that they got it wrong consistently is that there wasn't enough teams for them to get it right because they were only picking 2. If UVA had won, would Miami have still? Been in. Got the better have been. Yes, they would have gotten more DML better have been UVA fucked up again.

2:27:09 Yeah, and. And and. So. And and we we could even build. Automatic bids. Into that you can even build automatic bids into that if you want to keep automatic bids game this year if you looked at it would have been perfect. Hey, I just want to take I'll take Texas. 1st or no Georgia versus Vanderbilt, man. Georgia, who did not play each other this year. I'll take that. All. Fucking day over the bullshit games that played during the NFL game in my lifetime. I just want Virginia Tech to play at the Rose Bowl one time. I just. Want to? See Virginia Tech. That is the hey, he's. Going to college, that's going to.

2:27:49 Be the. I'll say this, it's not if. Hopefully when that happens, that's going to be the crushing of the credit cards. We're going to college. Me and Phil won't care what I want to say. We'll just play out together. You. Know when? That'll happen. That'll be the one. Time there's fucking preseason. Bowl games, we'll be. Playing in the fucking. Poinsettia Bowl in the fucking Rose Bowl. I'm in. I'm in playing against. Aaron Rodgers. I'm definitely going to Dallas this year. As hell yeah I want to go to Dallas for. Basketball. Soon that's the all that's best who's going to college I. Can go to shit No I Dallas like the. Road to look like. If I was retired or just retired, the road trips would be fucking epic.

2:28:34 Oh bam epic. I'm not retired and I'm going to Cali. Let's go. Hey. Eric said Hey Cali, let's go baby. One flight. That's what the answer. So I don't know, fight back. I don't know, we got. A big basketball. Game coming up soon. It's going to define our. I'm going to. Be there. Literally, I'm going. To say you right now, it will literally define. Our entire. Season how we do in that game you going to be playing in that game I've seen I'm going I'm going to be I'm going to be in the castle guard and UV tech to. Be Eva fucking bullshit.

2:29:18 Our students aren't there. Let's go How does that happen? It's a huge game. It's the. Biggest, it's even. Blacksburg, huh? It's a big game. Stupidity go about a good schedule. Nowadays is that. Game. Is. Darren fucking no students are there. We get a trade off though. The last game of the season is at UVA and they don't have their students. Here, because it's spring break, they'll all be at Kenny Punkport. Kenny Punkport up in Maine. I'll be at Napa Napa. I'm drinking Zema. Zema. They got good Zema. Now, oh man, always. Is. Entertaining. I think that's a.

2:30:00 Great idea about state of the program. I think you need to do a state of the program after the spring. Game honestly, because, like, nobody knows how we know good about right now. Yeah, we, we, we. Do a little bit of a We do a little bit. Of pull back in after we we do the spring. Game we do. We do a live post game at Maroon Door and we yell fuck. We yeah, we, no, we don't yell fuck. Brian yells. Fuck, apparently. And then Brian, Brian's wife, puts a little note up that says you're saying fuck a lot. He says fuck a lot. It's not going to say fuck a lot, say fuck a lot at the maroon door. With like no you. Say fuck a lot.

2:30:40 Young children sitting in the yard. I play fuck with you on Thursday nights. You say fuck a lot. Again. But that's not. A problem there, That's not a problem. There at the maroon. Door at 3:45 Hey, this is what you get when you get. This is what you get when you get 2. Halifax guys in the same room. It is. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much. Man 30 plus. Years, Eric, you don't understand. 30. Plus years of this, it's how long we've known each other, right? I've always said fuck. I've always. Said fuck, hey, I'm. I know we give. We're going to have to get ready. To. Wrap it up. I'm going to throw this out. I'm going to start with Curtis.

2:31:22 See what he got to say. Good portal. Portal is going to open up. January. The second, OK. And you got, I'm going to say you got $5,000,000 to spend. I know we got more than that as a team, but they giving Curtis $5,000,000 to spend. What are you going to take that 5 million and spend it on? I'm going to spend it on the following five items. Give them $1,000,000. Each. Best left tackle Find me the best 2 defensive ends. I want 1D tackle and. Then I'll take a guard. Because I do believe. Somebody like Johnny Garrett can. Hold down the right tackle spot.

2:32:06 That's my, that's my spots because you got you got to spend more than a million on. Them on the. Defensive ends, but I I. Understand where you're going. Well, I think I can balance it regarding you D tackle, the D tackle in there. So that's what I'm asking. Give if if it's. Just my 5. Million. I got 1. 5 million. Give me a $2 billion quarterback and the best tackle and interior offensive lineman you can find. We'll figure. We'll figure the rest out with the rest of the money. But I. Need an offensive line and a. Quarterback that can sling it or nothing else works. Dan, I'm dropping 5 million on 4 offensive lineman.

2:32:52 I'm staying. Here I'm going to go QB. With. Two and the rest on. Offensive lineman OK. Chris, what you guys say, Chris? I mean, it's easy for me, most important. Most important positions in order quarterback. Left tackle, defensive ending, quarterback. That's the most important positions. I was wondering why. I was wondering why nobody said the cornerback yet. Yeah, yeah, nobody said that. So if I'm going to turn around. No, they're important.

2:33:33 So I turn around in my position, I'll go 2.5 on. If I got 5 million, I got 2.5 on my quarterback. I go get the best left tackle I can go get. I then turn around and go get the rest of the money I spend on my pass rusher because my pass rusher means everything and I'm going to have to play with what I got to play with because I have. Talent. In my quarterback room, Josh Clark and JoJo Crim are. P4 players. P4 Players Jamar Deloach.

2:34:17 And. Knowledge Harrell are P4. Players Q Reddish, QQ Reddish, Jordan Bass, Sheldon Robinson and and Caleb Spencer and Noah Chambers are P4 players. I got secondary guys, so that's where I play it. I got to get a quarterback to be able to give a ball to my playmakers. I'm I'm going to, I'm going to be able to bring in a tight end. From. Wherever who's going to want to play with Ty Howe and I don't know if I missed it yeah, if if I if I missed it with Ty Howe and. His offense, I've had an opportunity. To kind of hear what he's going to do, and I like what his offense is going to bring.

2:35:03 He's got a concept, he's got a game plan, something that my previous OC before Monty didn't have. And so he's going to be able to expand on it. He's going to be able to beat the middle of the field up. So I'm excited about that. I'm I've definitely had an opportunity to to kind of get some insight on that. So I'm excited about that. So yeah, let me get a quarterback, let me get a, let me get a, let me get a, let me get a defensive end and let me let me get a left tackle. But I think I think Johnny Garrett another year in Matt Moore system will be serviceable.

2:35:47 I don't think he's going to be all world, but I think he'll be serviceable, serviceable. I'm going to go out on a limb. I think Marlin Bright and Tommy Tommy Wilder will be will be the next version of, you know, Kristen Darrisol and the next and those and those guys. That's that's what I'm banking on. That's what I know. Those guys got to be I I know Marlin Bright's going to come here and go to play. I know what Tommy. Wilder has to. Do to go be exceptional and he is a Sunday cat. He's a Sunday cat. So, you know, I I believe that to be. What he is. Field.

2:36:31 I mean, I'm going to trust the guy. That. Has a kid on the. Team it's what I'm going to do. Like, I mean, I feel like he is a pretty good Paul all things like if I had $5,000,000, like I mean, hey, man, I mean I would, I literally like, I don't know, I'm inside out. Like you build from the defense to the, to the offensive line. And but like I, I, I, I don't know running back. I think we're set. I think the skill positions like people can catch and run and we got people there. I do maybe give Jared Ferguson some of that money is what I maybe feel like a little bit.

2:37:13 I I am like that is the other thing. I'll be honest with you. You can hire Brett Pryde and get threw it back to you. No, like you're wearing. My jersey from when I was in kindergarten. Back there, no doubt very small in my video, but it's very small. But look, if we could keep Jared, like if you could bring Brett Pryde back, but Jared Ferguson, I would probably not be as upset or confused or frustrated as my life. But like I miss Jared Ferguson. Now. Jared Ferguson's a hokey. But like, whatever they you, you know better than anybody. Your name is it on here. It says Chris Frog.

2:37:55 But you know, I feel like you have a pulse on the team better than. Anybody what I want to know? It's like, what is the vibe? Like it's kind of a joke. Like I can only imagine what like a Brent Prime meeting and a James Franklin meeting. It's like it's litter like KB Toys and Toys-R-Us like. I feel like I compared the. Navy damn like KB toys did a fine job at one point. They were great. They. Were right near the Chick-fil-A and the toys. But. But that's that's what I want to understand is like. What is the vibe? Because the other thing that I've read anecdotally is that like the Merriman Center is now the football center.

2:38:36 There ain't walking through the Merriman Center to walk the basketball court to go to your table. I don't give a shit who you are, how much money you give, I don't care. You're going to walk around this other building. You're going to need to park in a different place. So that's what I want to know and what the vibe is that way because like, I don't know, the coaching is going to be a mystery in my opinion until the coaching is the coaching. But I want to know like in the are the players like, oh, shit, like this is no joke, because I feel like we hear that all the time. Like, oh, we got to go to class. Like I don't give a shit about coach going to class. I care about getting better and proving yourself to somebody that obviously has been there and done that and was a play away from the national championship game. So please, I mean you, you talk about from my perspective, is that what you're asking?

2:39:26 What? Your perspective. Plus obviously you have an informed perspective, so yes. My perspective is that they understand that they got to go to work. I think, and I think I said it earlier in our in our talk, you, you got to understand this a year to year deal and every kid knows that they sign a year to year deal for them to be able to go to school and be at Virginia Tech Okie. And I think like I said before, there are more eyes on this program than any other program in the ACC because of the addition of Franklin. So I can only, I can only speak from the the kids that I talked to and they understand. That hey, they're in audition.

2:40:17 They're in audition for the. Next 12. Months, you know, you see all the running backs and I'm in a group chat with some guys who have listed some guys that they want to have running back but those all those guys have to talk to the the new regime because there's a different. Level of. Expectation from those guys, I'm blessed and I'm humbled that my kid is in that, that that perspective. So at the end of the day, man, we got to go win games. We go win games. You get the kids back that we have. And I've always pounded the table for the 20, the 2324 and 25 clothes. Those are the kids that that I've had a opportunity to talk. To.

2:41:07 Help get them here and we're going to be fine. We get those with the portal that come in on the second we get a, we get a legitimate E4 quarterback with an offensive line because I think Kyron never had the opportunity to have a full offensive line that could be able to block and do the different things they can be able to do for him to help him. We'll be fine. I'm fine. I'm excited, and that's the easiest way I can say it. Does that make sense? That that makes sense. And the biggest issues on that one thing the. The one thing that I'll say that. Nobody hit on. Is we got to get a stud linebacker too. We got some linebackers that can play, but we got to get we got to get a stud.

2:41:54 Tony Rojas, come on down. I mean, Noah Chambers is. I don't feel like he's. Far, but he needs some help, no? He's not, He's just young. He's not hitting your goal. We're going to talk about this again. Don't worry 3. Of them still, I don't know if you know this, but. You were just talking to the Green Run Godfather and. That in itself is hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I am just a guy. What's the man? Stop putting that green brother godfather stuff on me, the guy. Stay. Thirsty, my friend. I'm thirsty to hang out with the green run. Godfather. In Charlotte. In Charlotte in 11 months, right? Eleven months, maybe 11 days. 11 months all. Right.

2:42:39 In. Almost. Three hours. As always. This. Is. An absolute blast. Every year it is some people that came on, the people that came off maybe not have been the biggest crowd tonight. I don't know where the white BIC is, but we don't have conversation. He joined on Instagram. He did not jump on live. But Dwight, Dwight's always got a got got his hand on the pulse. I'm sad because I missed the white. I missed the white. Do it again. You got to do it again when we got a more complete team. This is uncharted territory, literally. Uncharted territory. Uncharted territory. But the way the state of the program goes right now is. We've got a. Significantly better head coach. We've got a significantly better staff. The players are better than where they were three or four years ago. Significantly, yes Sir.

2:43:24 And now everything that happens in the. Next month, so maybe we run it back. About a month from now, now it's going to be probably be more stone cold sober because I can't do this every Friday night. I will be dying. I won't be stone cold sober, but I'll certainly be a few drinks. You know I have a tall PR in here I did not get. Hammered tonight, this is. Friday This is a steady Friday night. Brian Sieglitz, Friday night date of the program. Every quarter. Friday night, head of the quarter, head of the. Program every quarter we might. Be at the Bills. We might have to do it. Hey, if we're. Doing this a month from now and I'm invited. You know I'm going to be here, so I know you will. Dan.

2:44:07 Yes, Sir. No doubt man, it's always nothing on brother. But listen. With that, stay in the program, 2025. That wraps up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast. We're all to you by moments on the more he's right there, he's right there. He's he's about 14 Bud Lights deep. We're all to you back on the pharmacy. We need to get Jeremy back on here for Jonathan Talley. Give him the peace sign tally. Tally Tally did not get to. Have any alcohol at night because all these drugs he's on for Chris Lester? Man, I love having you on here, brother. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. For. Dan visionary season checking mount tears. On.

2:44:47 Tails from the Tear Dome. Tear from the tails Dome man. That's how drunk I am. I brought LeBron single up the last 30 years of my life. I am Curtis Wilson. Check us out February. Go ahead, give shout out to Brian. Man man, listen. Dude that's been going through so much man and been checking on him. I appreciate you bro. I appreciate you man. It's going to get better. I appreciate you checking on me man. I really do. I really do every. Time. Every time I feel like I'm I'm having a little bit of a tough moment, I get a text or a call from Chris. My guy always brings me up.

2:45:28 So shout out to my guy. Hey man, I'm proud of. You, man, I'm. Proud of you bro, I know this is a heavy season for you. It's heavy season for me every year, but I'm proud of you guys help you guys, Guys helping guys we need. That's what we do. That's helping guys We need it. It's hard. To be #40 it's hard being under 40 guys helping guys. Check out our other podcasts. Yeah, that was like. Phil just created another podcast for. Us guys let's. Do it y'all, it's always. Quit. Let's go check out Jason Long, our buddy who plays this and plays. This out every week and as always. And I hope to God when we do this next year we are talking about some good shit because the last few years it has been some rough shit. But as always, let's go.

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