State of the Program

1:47 And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast. Along with my partners Brian Siegler and Jonathan Tally, I am Curtis Wilson. Before we begin tonight, I'm going to just go ahead and make this announcement. If this is the first time you've ever tuned in to stay of the program, you need to go ahead and turn it off because what's about to take place over the next few hours here is something a first timer should never listen to in the house tonight for the state of the program, our sponsor, Lord Doctor Jeremy Counts themselves. I'm Jeremy. Yay, I'm on. South Main Street. I don't know if he's working tomorrow. I'm guessing not. I am.

2:28 Unfortunately, but it's all right, it's three hours. I'll leave, OK. Also joining us, pops extraordinaire and a true friend of the program. He is here every week in the comments. Father of one Mr. Brody. Can't call him Brody because Mama, Mama go here and come beat my ass. Chris Lester, how you doing tonight? What's going on fellas? How y'all doing tonight? Living the dream, buddy Buddy good and as always, our great friend. A year ago tonight, A year ago today, me and Dan were sitting, getting like Chris was too, excuse me, getting absolutely hammered in a rainstorm at the Military Bowl, sipping on bourbon. Have a good time from the tails of the Terradon, Dan.

3:09 Pulse, Daniel. How you doing guys? What's? Up brother buddy, you doing? The stinky stinky himself. Dan Stinky, Stinky, stinky. Stinky. Oh yeah, it's going to be. A good one. Don't know if I can beat them allegations but. All righty. Also as always, I am joined by my esteemed colleague, first of all, Miss Jonathan Talley, who is sitting above a casino right now. So if at any point in time he goes he going gambling y'all I might need? To go bet on some, I might need to go bet on some of these games, man. I'm sitting here watching this Washington State Syracuse game. Just chilling, man, enjoying time with my guys. My wife is downstairs.

3:57 Hopefully she's winning and not losing. It's going to be a good night. That's all I can say. Maybe we get a committed to while we're on here. Oh, that. 'D be. That'd be beautiful. I I would love another offensive lineman to. Jump in the boat. Or two or two, but at least one. Give me one, one we. Know OK. We'll do one at a time. I'm OK with that. I don't need 5 but OK. Mary Hall. Mary Hall. We know we need as many as we can get, baby. OK. How are you tonight, buddy? How's life? I got a little gin and tonic in my hand here. It was a good Christmas we had. We had some good times. We have family over. I know Curtis is having a good time because he the PS5 finally has made the way into the. Oh, man, household.

4:41 So congratulations. Congratulations, hey. Santa Claus Rocket PS 5 Santa Claus. Came through, huh? He bought CFB, I've been on that. We got Madden. The brand new Madden came out, we got the show, we got NBA2K. It has been a fun time since Christmas Day. Yes, Sir. I'm going to tell you what some of the controls like people were telling me about the RPOS. I'm going to tell you Curtis, going to be playing on freshman for about the next 6 to 8 weeks before I get a feel of it. Curtis. It is balls apparently. Curtis. How hard say that I'm smart. I'm smart because if you go in there and you try to go to Heisman or All American and you get your shit ate up, that ain't no fun. The game's got to be fun first.

5:28 How many games have you played? And this, this is completely off. How many games have you ever played, started off on the hard level, get your ass ripped, and you just say fuck that game. Like I'm never playing that game again. I do not like it. And you're sitting there like, dude, you tried it on the hardest mode. Like it's brand new. Depending on your gaming level, because I'm sure there are a couple guys in here that could take them and beat the ass on the hardest level at the gate. But I haven't played a true PlayStation game in years, so that's me. Yeah, Curtis, what is it like? Like having a PlayStation that you've got to share with children? Like how hard do you have to hit them to get the controller back? I am. I am a very, very, I'm a delegate here. You get 45 minutes, Go, go play.

6:12 I don't care what you play. Go play. You get 45 minutes for the play. Daddy gets 3 hours. So Curtis. So Curtis says 3. Time. I see where screen time comes from now. Oh, you've had your 15 minutes for the day so. Get off, get off. Get the fuck out of here. Exactly. It's his man cave. We've. Got to go buy his baby we got to go buy these babies APS 5 that's going to be one of my one of my one of my good deeds for the year instead of PS5 for curse's kids yeah man I'm. The man cave one in the playroom. Right. Yeah, for the babies, man. Let the babies go. Get that work in man. That we we let them have it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the a hole guy. I let them play with it and they've got the Switch stuff so. They.

7:00 Go to bed early. So OK, I'll sit here and play all I want to. So yeah, but it's been a lot of fun, so. If you want your if you want your kids to love you, Curtis, go buy Spider Man 2. Oh yeah, you bought it. Oh, man, you bought. Dude, you. Bought that one of the best games and that's a great game to play with your kids. I mean, it's it's challenging enough where adults like it, but it's, you know, PG enough for kids are into it, but it's a it's a great game. Me and my son played it together and beat it together. Well, he beat it and I watched most of the time. But it's just got a lot of stuff in it. You, you'll, you'll enjoy that all right. All right, I'll, I'll, I'll make a note that I mean, plus they got some gift cards from family like $25 PlayStation. So we might be going to target tomorrow and like I've been recommending to the Spider Man tale, get to. Don't let them use it on Fortnite skins, you make them by games.

7:54 That's right. They will waste it on Fortnite skins. Don't let them listen. Yes, they do Forget that. You're not allowed to play the PlayStation Five if you do this. You have to go do something all. Right. Well, this is the state of the program episode and obviously a lot happened 365 days from the last time we talked to now. And obviously we we text with Chris, we messaged Chris, Chris is watching every week. We talked with Jeremy, we talked with Diane. So I'm sitting here and I want to bring this up. First, let's talk about the seat because we that's why we're here. That's what made us talk. So it's fucking deja vu all over again.

8:37 The comments. Are already hitting man. But it's a, it's a, it's a different feeling this year. Last year we were six and six. This year we're six and six. Last year we were happy. A lot of lot of liquor flowing last year, a lot of very optimistic people. But when you go six and six after going six and six, I mean y'all. Damn good it. Don't matter, we're going to be back here. Same thing. We're already feeding ourselves. Hop all fucking ready. We do this every year. It's the same fucking perpetual circle jerk every year where we get hopped up and we're going to get hopped up because we're fans and we will grab whatever we need to and we will circle jerk ourselves till we're raw and bleeding or we develop calluses all over our. Dick our Dicks are going to look like. Our Dicks will.

9:31 Look like by the. Time we're done. Not not mine, but I understand what you're saying. I'm feeling it, I think. I think Hobbit. Yeah, we were. Hobbit feet. Hey, Kev. Hey Kev. Oh, Kevin asked me. Kevin asked me. I'm I'm sipping on Terra Manus tonight, man, a little Terra Manus and I think it's a lemon, Lemon lemonade. That's what I got. Strawberry lemonade one don't simply simply lemonade drinks. He hit me on the side and asked me what I was drinking. But I'm drinking at Teramanos. But I don't think it's going to be the same because I think last year we walked in here at 6:00 and 6:00. We were healthy, we were optimistic. We felt great about the guys who went.

10:11 We didn't even care about the guys we're leaving in the portal. We were just happy we had our guys back. I think the person we did not expect to show up and bug us this year for our football team was injuries. We didn't expect. We, we, we thought we was playing on Madden rookie, you know, CFB rookie where nobody got tired and nobody got injured and we didn't know. We didn't expect that to happen. We thought we were playing on Curtis level, but they said they were playing on my level. That's right. We plan on, we plan on all, all Heisman, Heisman mode this year. And that's what that's what got us. That's what definitely got us this year. But I'm not, I'm, I'm yeah, I'm, I'm disappointed. But I think, you know, I'm just glad we, we did something to start a tradition by getting back to a bowl back-to-back.

10:56 We hadn't done that in years. And that's what, that's what I was, I was most excited about. We got back to a bowl. So those kids can understand that and they can start a tradition. You know, we're, we're, we're facing a team. I think, I think it's Minnesota. I think they've had like 2526 years of consecutive bowl appearances. And that's, I know for everybody, like, oh, well, you were 66. But those kids every year can expect to go play a bowl. And that's what I want us to be able to do a little bit higher bowl. But as long as we get to a bowl, that's all that matters. And there was a. Time not long ago where we were just straight up like I was getting sick of going to the Orange Bowl. I was just like, this is lame. Let's go to a different bowl game. And I mean, we were rolling then. Well, that was back when the computer picked the best two teams in the nation.

11:44 You got to understand. And I still think I'm in college half the time, so it's like, to me, it's not that long ago. It's not how old you are, it's how old you feel, man. How old you feel? How you? Feel 20. 1. I remember last year at the Military Bowl, I remember being like, this is the happiest I've ever been to be 6:00 and 6:00. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this year is not that. This year is not. That saddest you've ever been? It's not, it's not the saddest. I've been like, there's not some. Uglier. Six and sixes, but it's we were. This close, it was one of four games we were so close. Man, I was I was feeling pretty bad at at the start of the portal, like it was it was looking a little rough, but then it always does I guess. But then like primate, the necessary firings, at least some of them, I don't know, I think.

12:37 At least. Some of it the starting with Vanderbilt this year, it was kind of like, I just remember walking out of there being like, fuck, like what the hell? And then like there were things like Crook refused to fix the like change the line, like Parker got our quarterback hurt multiple times. The staff get me. Started. The staff let our quarterback take the bullets all year. Like, instead of just coming out and saying, hey, like this man, like Cairn Jones is severely injured. Like give him like, I think it would have done wonders for him if they would have came out and like, hey, you know what? This is actually the situation instead of people being like, like creating their own narratives. I mean, some of that would have happened anyway, but that's just Twitter.

13:23 But like for the most part, they didn't do him any favors by not like, like somebody should have spoke up. In my opinion. We looked out of shape the whole time. Tally was on that early. A couple people were on that early. They, they got rid of between, between the refuse, between the no adjustments coming out of the first half into the second-half, which is crazy because when you get 15 minutes to, to, to figure shit out, like there should be some sort of change. And not only did they not adjust, but they weren't, they weren't in shape enough to, or they were gassed at the end of games and we ended up just losing. And it was just, it wasn't good. But there's been some positive in the last couple days, but I'll definitely wait and see this offseason. Yeah, I I agree with you, Dan.

14:07 I think one of the biggest things is, you know, our offensive line really struggled early and that got our quarterback hurt and he was just taking shots left and right. He got his foot stepped on and you know we had to bring that in, but we were not. Performing in the. Second-half his own player that we were not performing in the second-half and you could say, OK, it adjustments out of shape. But I mean, we've got to be ready for that. We've got to be able to not only go in and change up what we're doing. We can't just be like, well, this has been working, let's go with it. They're not going to make it. Just we got to anticipate them anticipating our changes. We got to go next level. We got to play 5D chess. This is big boy ball. You know, we don't fuck around. And I, I really think that's what it comes down to. I think it comes down to second-half adjustments because there are games like the BC game where I was first half, I was like, we got this, like this is not that big of a deal. And it was just like gone because we weren't making adjustments.

15:00 And that has to be done. And that's why I think this offseason is a little different than a lot that we've seen because Pry actually did what he should do and made coaching changes. And that is a really, really positive thing for me because for the longest this time, we had, you know, Frank was very attached to his staff, but, you know, they won. So that was OK, right, To a certain extent. And then Foo was too attached to his fucking staff, and we started going downhill. And the fact that we're making those adjustments now is encouraging me. Yeah. And I and I, we talked about this a lot and you know, I've said this, we said it a little bit last year, we said it this year. I think sometimes, especially on defense, it's the mindset from the coaches was a little too much. We do, we do, and at some point you got to look at what the other team doesn't do well and exploit that or look at what they're trying to take away from you and do something different. You can't always just do what you do because at some point other teams are going to have better players or they're going to have better coaching.

16:01 You've got to do your fucking job in those moments. But sometimes you got but you got to say, Brian, and some of that is when there's a time to go make a play, go make a play. You know, you turn around. The third quarter was high Achilles heels all year. And then there were times in the third quarter you can go make a play like, you know, you can have a quarterback dead to rights on 3rd and seven and just second and then just go ahead and change the momentum of a 7 seven ball game and maybe do that. Or maybe you can be in a third and seven when you're up 21 to three and somebody's raggedy ass stadium and then not cheat on a, you know, try to cheat on a play and let a guy make a career day on your ass. So I mean, it's just certain things. You know, we going to blame the defense for certain stuff, but there are certain things that certain people do at certain times which, you know, allowing guys to have career days on their ass in three games that you lost. So I mean, you know, I'm just saying, you know, we just go ahead and get it out there and open. You're up 20.

17:01 You know, it's 77 call. You know, Mark calls a perfect blitz up, put a man on the ground, Cam board scrambling out the back field. You know, in the fourth quarter you make a tackle, you end the play, get a man on the ground. You know, don't cheat on the 3rd 3010, keep everything in front of you. You're already up 21 to three. Get a man to the ground, do what you're supposed to do. So I mean, you know, we lost games like my man just said by combined 34 point. You know, Stephen said 34 points and you know, where the difference between arguing should we be playing in the playoffs or and all these people exiting or some or some people exiting not not all them because best of luck to all those kids, men who try to find a spot to go play in certain place. But, you know, we there were enough games we were in that, yeah, some things need to be changed. But I just don't believe Mark had all the pieces for his defense to do what he needs to do. He's never had.

17:57 Well, that's what but but but. But Chris, that's on him. He'd been here for three seasons. It is. He's got to go recruit the pieces that he wants. Well, I mean, we got the portal now like you can go and you can like get what I'm saying Dome products and bring them in. But you did, but you know, you flew a helicopter 15 minutes down the road to go get your kids. You just didn't have another guy from another whole area recruited kid right out of from under your under your face. That's that's my thing. If you don't, if you don't have that kid leave to go to Georgia. You got a mic, you can play with Keller. Bring him in because that kid going to play, he going to play what in a couple more days? He going to get snapped to Georgia. He should be getting snapped to your he should be. He should be wearing maroon.

18:38 He shouldn't be wearing red and black, But that's a whole other different thing. So, you know, I, I have my feelings about it. I feel like, yeah, things had somebody had to fall on that sword. They they decided the decision they had. I think of the of the three guys, I only really think one guy had all the pieces that he that he had to be able to do it. I think, you know, love deeds, my guy, like, like Coach Crook, you get an upgrade. You get an upgrade with Coach Moore. I mean Fergus, Fergus, an amazing strength and conditioning coach. You know, he's got histories of doing it, so that's a great thing. I just believe Marv never got his pieces. He needed a middle linebacker. He he, he was like peanut butter, no Jelly.

19:20 You know, he turned around. He got a great defensive line, good rotation. And I'm talking when Phil Darius was here the year before, you had Pollard, Phil Darius, APR was coming on, Cole Nelson, guys were playing, but you never had your middle linebacker. You turn around and your safety play was subpar this year. So like I said, you got to be strong up the middle. Any defense, you got to be strong up the middle and we weren't. This is what here. This is what I want to say to Chris about that. Because of what Pride did, though, because of what Pride did, letting him go, it says I want to win. I give a shit about this place, and if you don't hold the standard here, I'm going to move on from you. He'd known Chris Marr since he was like 18 years old, that was. Awesome.

20:03 I mean, that was part of shit, but when he did that, I texted tally and I texted Brian. That means he's serious because it's not like, oh, I'm going to I'm going to let Cheetah go. Well, I'm going to let this person move out. It's like, no, you literally set your heir apparent and said you're not doing a good enough job. You got to go. And that said it to me. That spoke volumes of who he let go. Tally, I know you're not going. You're going to hate me saying this, but it's you put it back up there, Brian, The the the 10 points or 34 points, y'all, we can say this is a fucking six and six season. We're pissed, we're mad. We should have done better. But believe it or not, in my opinion, and I know Tally might come in and curse me out, we have progress this year, y'all. We were in every fudging game from the first snap of Vanderbilt to the last snap, we were. We didn't get pummeled multiple times like we did in 2023. Jeremy, said Fudgeon.

21:02 Fudgeon. The problem that I deal with all year is it didn't matter. It didn't matter who falls on the sword for me, you know what I'm saying? Because you still got the same head coach. The head coach is the one who has to get the ship righted if he in his opinion, if that's what he's doing. First of all, I online coach was fucking sorry. I'm going to tell you right now. I tried to give him a chance and once I seen the things he was doing in the rotation, it was fucking dumb. Then there's all kind of people out there saying he didn't have a house there. He was doing stuff on Zoom calls and shit like that. That's fucking dumb. If you giving people money, make them earn their money. When I go to work, I'm in sales.

21:45 If I don't sell, I don't eat. And guess what they're going to do? They're going to find my black ass if I don't sell. So if you don't do your job, you're supposed to be fired. I understand that, but I asked a question on Twitter X whatever you want to call it, point of I don't know what they call it nowadays and I just say it. All of the above. Everybody's, everybody's putting the blame on Chris Mars. Marv, Yes, he didn't do his job. He deserved to go perfect again. I'm still looking at that offensive coordinator that got every piece that he wanted back. We paid the offense so much money to be there, and what did we get? Oh, well, they got hurt. Well, you should have had a better fucking offensive line.

22:26 Oh, well, this person got this. Well, you should have nurse the injuries better. It's a lot of stuff that goes into it. But we still got the head coach. So my thing is, I'm not saying the head coach is supposed to be 5, but I can't just go and say, well, he did this and he's serious about winning. Because when I look at the record, it shows the head coach's record. They don't say head coach's record with Chris Marv as his, as his defensive coordinator. It shows Brent Price record. Is this his close game record is one in fucking 15 or whatever it is. At some point you got to say even when he was there, it's it's one in 12 or something like that. But my thing is, what would it show me if you serious? If you said, hey man, you ain't doing a good job. I'm going to have to take over.

23:13 I'll fire him during the year. I don't care what you do. That's when I would have said, OK, you're serious. I think what this shows me is that that seat is not hot and that noises got loud. They pay attention to Twitter. They pay attention to fans. They know what people say. They know what the big donors are saying. Hey man, you got to fucking win. You want us to come out and support you doing a good job of kissing babies and and shaking hands, but we don't give a fuck about that. At the end of the day, you got to put some wins together. So what are we going to do? What? What's the next step? You know what I'm saying? Now the online hire, which is I think a good one.

23:53 I think it's a good hire. When's the last time we had a coach come in? See, I'm not trying to take over, but I'm just saying the online coach comes in and then he gets a kid that comes right with it. Our fucking head coach came in and didn't get kids to come with it. Like that's that's a, when you look at a hire, a big hire, that's a big hire. You know what I'm saying? That he's got so much credibility with the kids that are around him. They're willing to put their future in his hands at a different place. You know what I'm saying? I don't know much about before I know a little bit up, you know, I did some research and things like that, But this one kid that's a pretty good offensive lineman is saying this coach is good enough for me to follow him to a six and six team so I can see where my career is going to go.

24:41 That's that's that's that's. That's a big boy. Yeah, That's that's that's I need. I need I need pride to and I like pride. I mean, I know if you see this coach, thank you for coming on the show, but I got to keep it real. You never got to talk to me again If you just go fucking win. That's all I want to do. Go fucking win. Go do what you're supposed to do. When you got the pieces, you got to know how to do it. Stop being friendly. Cut somebody out on the sidelines, tell them ref to get their fucking whistle out of their ass and blow it when they supposed to Hell, get a penalty. Do something I need to see. You can't keep losing get I I go back to the analogy what I said.

25:21 If I walk in the house to my I won't even say to my wife. I use that. I'll say to my kids. If I tell my son, hey, man, I'm going to make it to your game. I'm going to try my best to make it this time. Oh, I'm sorry, man, I didn't make it. I got caught up at work. Sooner or later that motherfucker's going to tell me. Hey, man, you said you're going to make it. What's going on? You got to be held accountable, probably. You can't keep going and saying we're going to do this if we're going to make it work like it's year, it's year 3, buddy. It's over it's year 4 now. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no more. I'm trying to figure it out. You fucking have figured it out and you got to go and win. You got it. The games that you're supposed to win go in. Stop the hiding. You got Kyron walking around they.

26:03 Anyway, I'm gonna stop right now. We'll get on that later. Callie brings up a really good point, and I've been saying it for years. You build your offense around an offensive line. You can't get a poverty offensive line and expect your skilled positions to stay protected and do their jobs. It's impossible. We were lucky we were able to. Have the Jeremy Jeremy, remember what you're saying, but I won't Matty B is is is a cool me and Maddie talk pretty good, but I want to put that up. I want you to put that up what Matty B says right there which. One these two tally. The first one. The first one. I got it. So so Matty B says look at Schlee and Pop, look at Schlee and Pop's game.

26:52 Kyron isn't any good. Same offensive coordinator, totally different execution. Schlee got fucking hurt. What are you talking about? Schlee got fucking knocked out of the game. So what game am I watching that Schlee did so good the offensive line got him fucking pummeled as well. And then Pop played against and then Pop got pumped against Duke and then he just, I don't know, against a fucking sorry ass UVA. Then hot fat ass could have got out there and played against quarterback against them. I could have put Curtis Little boys out there and we would have still fucking beat UVA. Come on. That's the kind of that's the things. That's the things that get me when people with fans get on here and they say stupid ass shit.

27:35 Maddie, you're a cool dude, but I got to check you when you're talking dumb. You said, you said. No, Maddie, it's not a cool dude. Put his next. Comment up, he said. He said Kyrie. Isn't. Any different look at pop and we still fucking lost the game. We still fucking. Lost. It don't matter who was playing. We was losing and and then people told me the offensive coordinator, we scored 30 points. Well, if you can score fucking 50 points and you score 30, you ain't doing good. I'm just saying, man, we had people sitting on the bench that could play, whether it was our starting quarterback was hurt in Vanderbilt. I was sitting in the stands by my boy Greg. Shout out to Greg and his family's dad's awesome. I'm sitting by them and I said Karen's hurt. Y'all, y'all understand that, right? I've never seen a football player of his statue go down on his face and they said it's cramps. Well guess what?

28:32 His fucking ribs was hurt and guess what? Our coaches did put it back. In the game. Back in the game. He hurt his ankle, he hurt his ribs, he hurt his shoulder, he hurt he one time he walked out of a game with a knee brace on one leg and A and and and a boot on the other one. I got fans to tell me that he is no good. OK, man, you better know what you're talking about before you start calling these kids. Sorry. I'm just saying the the grown men that make more money than those kids or as much money as those kids, what they grown to. I ain't saying the kids don't deserve some scrutiny, but I'm telling y'all, the coaches knew more stuff than what they let y'all know.

29:12 They let they didn't let y'all know a lot of stuff and some of those players put them bullets for those coaches and that's bullshit. That's what I'm upset about for this whole year. Well, Tally, we we discussed that throughout the year numerous times. And what pissed you the fuck off is you go get a six year quarterback and if Kyra's hurt, it's like you have a fucking backup for a reason. Put him in, play him. Yep, that's on you and I, and I know. And I love Coach Pride too. Please come back on with us, Coach Pride. But he. He will at the same time. But I know he will. Yeah, but. But the whole piece that goes to that is you brought him in if Kyron's hurt and you know he's banging because I know Brian played the collegiate level, Tally played the collegiate level.

29:58 Jeremy, you played high school ball. Y'all. Aren't going to ever tell anybody you're too fucking hurt to play. You're going to try to. Tell anybody. That. You can't be in your hands it. Might be in your hands, it can't be in your, it can't be in the players hands. Right, but you're. Going to end up having somebody out here like Muhammad Ali, but I got older. I used to dislocate my shoulder and pop it back into place and. Keep quiet, but. I but here's here's the problem that I feel more than anything. Yeah, he got he got banged at Vanderbilt and he fought through it. The only time I only time I really, I was infuriated is when he did get hurt at Rutgers. And he damn, that's that's when he for sure got hurt and they made a joke about it, which pissed me off.

30:44 But there, there couldn't have been. There was not going to be a coach prepared or anything that was going to keep him from playing against Miami. And they're about the problem because if you're going to do it, if you turned around as we watch the season go along, he didn't play great against Marshall, but he got passing. He did his thing against ODU, but when he got hurt against Rutgers, he was not going to miss that Miami game no matter what. That was his best game of the season by far. That was his best game. We won. That fucking game. Well, well, yeah, but there there lies another problem in that because, you know, you can't be running around complaining in places saying people the offense is hokey and stuff like that, pun intended, and not do your fucking job.

31:35 You can't lead in hey, man, just go on with it, man. You can't lead in drops, man. You can't fucking lead in drops, man. You can't and talk shit about the program or have your family talk shit about the program. You know, and, and that didn't make any kind of sense. But that boy is out there on one foot. He wasn't going to miss the Miami game. So if you, if he, if you turn around and know he's hurt, he plays great in Miami, then you go ahead and play Slee against Stanford. You play Slee going down, down the stretch, you know, or whatever. Until he's a. Couple of games until he's ready, but with his foot, the thing about the the biggest thing about a foot injury, depending on what it is, if it's spraying, we can work through it.

32:18 If it's broke, that's a longer injury than anybody can expect, especially for a mobile quarterback. His feet are so important to what he does that Kyron is just such a a great kid and a hard worker and a guy that's going to fight, man. It's a it it, it was just to watch him go and take the take the arrows that he took, man and never said nothing negative man never. And still didn't leave, still didn't leave when he got when he got his degree. Still, still. Yeah. When? He got his degree, man. I love that kid, man. I'm real talk, man. He, he just, he just did more, you know, but but Kevin says something to me, man.

32:58 Me and him were we at TOTS and we was drinking, you know, Virginia, Shirley Temples, man. He gave me one statement that I will always hold true, man, People think they matter and we and people love the fans. I love the fans. I love people like. But sometimes, man, you got to understand this thing is more than football and that boy loves it here. There is not a there's not an ounce of him that does not love it here. He loves Virginia Tech, he loves hockey nation. So for them, you know, to just drag him the way they did, no seeing that he was deficient, a lot of that go a lot of that go to, you know, coaching. But they wanted to let him tough it out. But they did the same thing with Wells. They're going to give a guy the ability to tough it out. And sometimes you like y'all said man, you got to protect that kid from himself.

33:47 Sometimes you can't give somebody enough rope to hang themselves and put themselves in a situation where they get themselves hurt more and where they are hurting their team, unfortunately, because they aren't the person that they can be and they aren't the player that they can be given those limitations. Now, Jeremy, I do want you to weigh in. What is the amount here? How much goddamn Toradol did they feed Chiron this year? Are his kidneys OK? Toradol is notoriously hard on your kidneys. You give a lot of Toradol, it's going to rough him up. But I will say he is tough and he is a big guy and he can handle it. He's young. But but Jeremy, he wasn't the only one. Yeah, Jeremy, he wasn't the only one walking around there dying. You asked Steven Gosnell, coming coming off of ACL, less than damn a year turned around.

34:39 He's got a broken rib and bruised ribs diving from footballs, giving it everything he got, man. I, I, I just don't have no empathy for anybody saying, oh, hey, this wasn't perfectly placed or stuff like that. Man, go catch the goddamn football, man when it's thrown to you. Yeah, my entire thing is like, these kids are hurt. We got to save them from themselves. But the coaching staff, the pressure they were under because every game felt like a must win game because we had such high expectations. And I think that drove a lot of it. And I put a lot of that blame on the coaching staff squarely because we've got to take care of these guys because you're not just risking, oh, you know, you're going to aggravate an injury and they're going to be out longer.

35:22 You're risking their long term health and they've got an entire entire life to think of. They're going to be carrying this the rest of their life. We've got to take care of them. Yeah. But I think and that came to the point where go ahead, Dan. Go ahead, Dan. But like, we're talking about injuries, and some of these injuries were created by the offensive line. Every single fucking. Injury. Except for Jalen Stroman, every single fucking injury was on the offensive line. It's more of an indictment on Rod Crook that Matt Moore has been here 3 days and has had more movement in the portal than he did in two portals.

36:04 And if he's bringing the horses? If he's bringing. The horses. Maybe we can remember what you're saying. Let's talk about this because I don't know what Ron. Where is Ron Crook from? Where is he from? Is he from West? Virginia. He's from West Virginia. OK, so he out there with the heels have eyes, people. All right, Ron, this is what I need you to go do, man. I need you to go take your pension that you got. Go fishing. Whack your meat into the water. Maybe some fish will eat it. Never sit foot again in Blacksburg. Never, never sit foot again in Blacksburg because you did not recruit.

36:44 You was there for however many years. I'll say to you, one year is enough. And you don't go get no Lyman. You get no Lyman. Man, the place where we need to help the most, you know, black, heady and then we there's. Eggs in the water, No. And we and we never and we never seen him and we never seen him. We've never seen Cunningham. And neither. One of the other you never seen. Him Cunningham had his, I mean the head of his Dick in the two deep but like Freddy didn't even sniff that. Shit Freddy like. I think Freddy. Freddy quit. I think he quit football. That's OK.

37:25 Ron Crook, you deserve you are a war criminal. Ron Crook, you are a war criminal. For what you did in West Warren, you got every single person on our fucking team hurt and you was doing zoom meetings to coach an offensive line. You deserve to have your ass whooped and probably you should have been the one to whoop his ass. That's ridiculous. The office of line coach the the office of line coach is horrible and the and the strength and condition coach is horrible. Is that crazy? Am I crazy for? Well, that's the people that got fired. Hey, that's the people. You are on both of those, Ally. These are the people we can. Jump on these are our wonderful scapegoats that we get to have and just like brutalize like it's great. I just don't.

38:11 I also love the judgment's. Issue I I didn't jump, I didn't jump in and then. Taylor's night. Don't go back to Blacksburg. We'll murder you. I. Because I just don't understand it man. I just, I just really don't understand it because my mentality, like I understand they have to be professional and I'm glad they are, but I see coaches who are successful who aren't as professional as our coaches. Like the only thing that I can say about Marv, because I know some people who kind of know Marv personally and I kind of, I know he was trying to go through the job and get it done the right way. But at the same time, like, I need you to nut up a little bit.

38:51 If things ain't going right, you got to let somebody know. Closed mouths don't get fed. I didn't see you throwing no hats on the sideline. I need to see a motherfucker like Kirby Smart used to be on that sideline when he was the defensive coordinator. Like like Will Muschamp used to be like, come on, man. Like show some kind of like that cool shit got to be out the window when you keep losing games. And then we keep talking about next week we're going to get better or next week we're going to No, man, you got to fix it. You got to nut up. Sometimes it just pisses. Me off when I look back over the season and I've been waiting to unload this of this show just so I could talk about like the bullshit that we had to go through and we had to see. And again, I know they had to be professional, but fuck the professionalism when you keep losing. I fucking hate Patton Arduzzi, not as a person, but just like as a coach, but I respect the hell out of him because he on that sideline, he trying to do anything he can to win anything he can to win, cheat, shoot cags on the players. He don't care.

40:00 Like I anything that they say Darduzzi did, I'll be like, yeah, that motherfucker did it. You know what I'm saying? Like if they was like he slashed the coach's tires before we got to the game, I'd be like, yeah, he probably did that. But I can look at him. I I can look at him and tell that motherfucker wants to win the game. He may not win them all, but he wants to. Our coaches, they were just cool. There's a time and. Trace to be even man. You have the. Time and a place to be even killed. But there's also a time. And a place where you got to light fire somebody's ass. Yeah. Because you got players always just. Lead with that I will you know, we, we, we should have did this. We could have did this. At some point you got to light a fire under your ass, the player's ass, the referee's ass. You got to get.

40:47 I wanted something fashion into this thing so. You're as pissed off as the fans feel like in that moment, because the fans feel like it sometimes. Like you got to match our energy just a little bit. Yeah, as talent. Has. Nut up or go nut in the river. Go ahead and. Certain and certain things like certain things as. Maybe the fish will come to you. Everybody knows I love Brent Pryor. Everybody knows I love Brent Pryor, right? But like when that shit happened in the season that that they talked about on the, I don't know where they talked about it, but like there was that issue with the offensive line amongst each other and it ended up being them versus crook. Like you got to step like at some point, probably should have been like, I don't give a fuck.

41:29 Like Parker Clemens is like, he's sitting down like we're like, we're changing some shit on this line because too many of the people that we invested a lot of money in are getting fucked up. But I I've, I've had this argument over and over on Twitter all year long. Goes back to the fact of the matter that you didn't recruit guys when he got here. The way Rudolph left your system. Fine Garrett. Garrett could play, but Chaplin that when Chaplin got hurt against ODU that affected a lot more things than what we on the outside thought about with him being hurt and playing through that. You couldn't make Garrett your full time right tackle That would have that probably would have ended some some stuff. You probably don't get Tyron hurt against Rutgers if Johnny Garrett is your full time right tackle, but Taplin kept getting hurt.

42:23 Right, but they benched, they benched Chick. Why couldn't they bench Parker? Well, because you didn't. Want the right? You didn't have another tackle. The the issue, what he was saying in this case is you have to be smart in your in your death chart protection because X got banged and you're starting Johnny, then you've completely fucked up your rotation because at that point. It's ex. Tablet got hurt every week. No, he's he. He got hurt. I watched that man get carted off and come back to the next series like that man was getting hurt. Yeah, when he got when he got hurt at O to you and you turned around and you played, you know, musical chairs then, but he kept getting hurt. So you know, that was kind of the point. Hey bench Parker play Johnny at the right and and just ride with it.

43:12 You know, Leigh Ganem getting hurt and not being that's that's kind of only reason why you saw Bob Schick, because Leigh got hurt. They were going to go through the they were going to go through the growing pains of getting late to the point that he could go. So it, you know, not him, not crook, not not recruiting more guys or getting able to get some other guys in the portal. That was it. You know, I was sitting there earlier today whenever I was talking about these guys from West Virginia coming, I was like, oh, well, you might lose this guy. This guy might you got to man, you got to have 12 guys in that in for a whole line. You got to have 12 guys and guys fighting. Entries that don't happen. This don't happen. Don't happen. The people get complacent. The. Other piece we always talk about on this, and Brian and Tally always attest to it, is there are some people that do not practice well.

43:59 They play well, they do not practice well. And it's always that discussion was was whoever was at right tackle, whether it was Cunningham, Johnny, or they just didn't look good in practice, in where you put some people on the field in a game, they're absolute animals. They're the best player you've ever seen. You put them in practice, they're thinking, you put them on the field. There's no thought. It's attack. And I think that's where we all wanted to be at some point in the season, like just try something. He is, he is a liability. He's already got people hurt. Just try something. If you try something that might have saved your job, because it might have been, you put Cunningham out there, he starts running through people. It's like, oh, wait a second, we figured something out, right? Yeah.

44:40 Completely different in every sport. You see kids get in a cage in baseball, tally your son, you know this and they cream it. You put them up there in a plate live game situation, they back out. They don't know what the fuck to do. You. Have to just let people go. During the game. We had. Let's talk about Marshall. Game In the ODU game, there were times that you could have just said I'm going to do this the whole half. Part of coach. Evaluation. Part of coach evaluation is not just saying who is my best guy right now. It's also saying and being able to evaluate what's this guy's ceiling, what is his potential, what can he give me if he can put the pieces together, and what is it going to take for him to put those pieces together. And sometimes what it fucking takes is live snaps against opponent that you don't mind hitting the fuck out of every day.

45:32 Sometimes it takes. It takes those types of. Reps to get a guy right and, and sometimes you got to understand that if I want to reach my greatest potential, I've got to get that guy out there more regularly. Whether he's a full time starter, whether he's a part time or whatever he is, you got to get him on the field so you can realize and maximize your potential as a group. There's also weird internal. Politics when it comes to teams like there, there, there is like there's like this weird hierarchy and if you show out at a certain way, it's it's odd. Yeah, right. You got to when you when you are a losing program, hate to say it or a mid program, you have to throw that stuff out. You have to find a way and that's what they're recruiting kids and saying.

46:17 That's why I was I was about to bring this up. Glad you said that, Jeremy. Somebody said, somebody said earlier, yes, he does. Somebody said earlier that Chris Chris was a a player parent. I can't remember exactly what the comment said, but it pretty. Much said. Let me pull it up here in the show. Yeah, pull it up. It's about a pawn shop owner or some shit. I don't. Wrong one pawn shop owner. He's a pawn. Shop. Hold on. This right here. There you go. This is what you want to talk to Tally? That was Jr. Yeah. So he says. He says no, that wasn't it. Not that, not that one. It was a different one. What just popped up on the screen for me, that's it.

46:59 That's the one right there. Dance of Saturday. But he says Mr. Less, I work in the pawn shop industry for years. The hardest part of making a deal was something about the sentimental value is gone now. But you're a player parent. So this well, Mr. Dance of of Saturday, they let you go and I'll let Chris talk for himself because he's grown and he can't. But I can tell you Chris's kid that is at Virginia Tech was a high level recruit that came in and didn't catch a pass this year. So if his sentimental value for his kid was that high, he would have been in transfer portal. He wouldn't be sitting here talking to us. He's talking about what he seems. As a Virginia Tech fan, I talked to Chris a lot of times and his bias toward his kid has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

47:48 I don't know if you thought he was Kyron's daddy and and you said that he just black. He ain't his daddy. He's a different black dude. I don't know what it is, but seriously, I'm joking around. But seriously, if if you look at Chris's child, Chris's kid that's on the team, young man, he he could have a different opinion about the coaching styles and the coaching for things that his kids might his kid did or didn't get. I ain't saying that he expected or didn't, but I'm just saying you got to sometimes until you talk to that person, you don't really know. So I seen that. And then when Jeremy said about the hierarchy of football, because I'm going to say this, Chris don't have to say it, we had wide receivers sitting on.

48:32 We had wide receivers sitting on the bench that could have made plays at some of our wide receivers that were in the game couldn't. Ally Jennings is a great, is a great football player. He's a great receiver when he's healthy, but when he's hurt, he can't it's certain things that he can't do the things that he's good at going high point in the ball. He can't do it when he's got a a bomb hamstring. We had some kids on the bench that may have could have gave us that. You know, Quan Felton is a is a big body receiver that you expect to go and maybe be like a third down receiver sometimes stretch the field for you. But he didn't have that top end speed that some of the kids on the bench had.

49:12 And I feel like sometimes the coaches just stuck with what they had instead of making a change to say let me see what this kid can do and what we all. We all I know what they can do and I can't get this. I was on this show. This ain't something that I'm making up. If you just now getting started listening to BCP, go back and listen to it. I can't remember what show it is. Coach probably was on here and he said, he said, I'm, I tell the kids I'm bringing in somebody to take your job. But when you go and recruit a kid and you tell them that and you tell them that and they get there and that kid is not performing and you don't switch them out, whether it's the quarterback, the wide receiver, the right tackle, the credibility gets lost in translation. So we got to fix that.

49:57 I don't got to fix it. I'm just going to watch it critique the coaching staff has to fix it. So I just want to bring that not not, you know, knocking on what you're saying. We appreciate you watching the show and I'm glad you're coming. But I wanted to hit on that a little bit. Chris, you can you can say what you need to. Yeah, and we, we like having these type of discussions and like, you know, call us out. We'll we'll call you out. That's how this thing works. Chris, I'm going to let you say your piece here and I'm going to jump in on something else that Dad's a Saturday put in here after that. Yeah, I, I just, I guess this is the hardest part for me because we're friends and and I talked to you guys, you know, we text each other back. So I have a fondness for y'all, man.

50:38 You know, Jeremy took care of my kid this year, man, you know, at the drop of a hat, man. So, you know, it's different. Yeah, I know it's different. Dan. Dan's one of the reasons that we're here because the crib is the crib. So when people say stuff like that, man, what? They fail to realize that I'm a complete football owner, OK, I am the absolute. I'm probably one of the nerdiest football guys y'all will ever come across. It just so happened my kid is talented. If anybody know me, I'll name everybody else's kid before I name mine, OK? I do that on a regular basis. So my whole thing is when you see certain things happening, wasn't promised anything.

51:20 We dropped that kid off last year or this year and the coach before, we let him say, hey, I'm trying to find somebody to come replace you. That's what he said. That's one of the things he said. So a lot of those kids dealt with that with those four guys, those four guys coming back and it was a great thing that they did. But once those guys start seeing that I'm as good or I'm at the same level or I can be more than it, it got to the point where people are looking like put him in and let him go. You know, perfect example, we got a kid that left who was here and, you know, good kid, solid family, great kid. But sometimes you couldn't trust him to do certain things. And so those are the things that, you know, that's when we say it's more than football.

52:09 You they got to be able to trust you when they going to do certain things. And so it's a lot. Ali's going, Ali's going to get this opportunity, man. He's going to play with us during this ball game. And I hope things work out that he has some good film, good tape, He doesn't get injured and he get to go pursue his football dream elsewhere. But you know, guys will guys will want certain things to happen. And when it didn't happen, they got they got it was a mental block with certain stuff, man. And I'm just glad that, you know, the guys who got over that hurdle mentally and said, Hey, I'm going to come. I'm going to use this time and go forward. But man, the last thing last thing I am is, oh, I'm going to sit up here and campaign for my kid to play because he got to go do that.

52:56 That's his job. He got to go be great at his job. They know what he can do. And that's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to work out. Can I give Chris credit for like 3 seconds here? Go for it. This man knew. He knew this year, he knew Keelan wasn't going to, he wasn't going to go to a game and watch his son really get in the game. He came to every game. He went to all sorts of tailgates around the community, especially mine, because he knows if he needs the love, he needs the bourbon, he needs the cigar. He's got the cigars. Him and Big James Clark. They're coming to the the Bourbon Goblers tailgate shout out, Nate, Steven, whatever.

53:36 But like, he knew like he came because he loved what was going on. He loved. Folks, I'm not. Like watching the Hokies. Like. Hold up Dan, hold up Dan. I'm not soft on criticizing somebody, kid. I know these folks families. I know these folks families. It ain't this ain't this like this is my whole family. So I'm not going to cut. Hey, if you sitting and you see somebody doing something, I still got to go see that folks family. You know what I'm saying criticizing him doesn't doesn't make it to the point that I'm soft on him. I'm just saying he know what he got to work on. I ain't got to make him work on it. He know what he got to work on. This this thing for football is for a period of time and it's it's a you got so many snaps, so many times you're going to get to play and there's going to come a time where you're not going to be play no more. My critiquing him about what he is is sitting there saying, Oh, my kids better.

54:27 Oh my, my wife has got on me for years for calling kids. Sorry. At games. My wife, brother, you, you have no idea how many I was. Like she's like, you need to sit. Down that's a reflection on Keith he suck I can't be doing that to folks kids. You can't do that and sit in the stand with them folks, kid, if their kids parents are sitting right there, that's stupid, that's ignorant and that's that's not intelligent to do to people, man no, it's. Not this. Is wrong bro. So I want to tell Dad. Can I say something real quick, Chris? I don't tell. Dad's a Saturday. Me and Brian and Tally got to sit in that section last year. You remember that, Game Boys? Oh, yeah, You remember. Yeah, They grew up.

55:08 That was a. That was a true. Game and I remember we've been up. To y'all. Fans, y'all, they go to kids, all the kids families around. US parents Rough. And it's like it's if that's being respectful, you can, that's being respectful. Because Chris, I know for you, how many times did you have to walk up the steps going to the bathroom and just say something real bad? Come back 5. Hours later, I was my, my, my lips bled every daggone time because I don't know whose family was around me, man. First game of the season, man. I was like, yo, get such and such out. I got Johnny Garrett's family right on my daggone shoulder. They like, yeah, they sitting there, they just shaking their head, you know, I got Montanus Cunningham's family sitting right next to me, You know what I'm saying?

55:51 And I got to sit there and be like, I can't say certain stuff. So I'm like, hey, it is. What? Yeah, that ain't that, ain't that, ain't we all being soft on criticizing kids that caught being smart, people who hide behind that people who hide behind like I told people and I ain't saying like that's a Saturday. I, I, he's, he's been around for a while. We've talked on on Twitter a couple of times. But again, I don't know y'all, I don't know what y'all fucking look like. Everybody knows what I look like. The shit that I say. I'm going to stand 10 toes beside it every time I'm going to get on here. I'm going to show my face and whatever come behind it, going to come behind it. However I feel about a coach, however I feel about a player.

56:33 Y'all say shit and you hide behind burners. That's why you feel comfortable to say it. If you feel like you can do it, say some of the stuff you can say. Say it in front of them parents say it in front of them kids and you I promise you these when you talking kids, these ain't no kids. These is men. These are some grown big ass people and and I'm telling you and the Mamas be worse than the dad is like I think I can handle a man like a dad. Like I'm sitting in the stands and I'm listening at some of the moms talk and seeing some of the moms reacting. I'm like man, I definitely don't want to be on her bad side. You know what I'm saying? Talk about her bad in her cub. I have. Sat in the I have sat in the parents section a couple times and I remember Chamari Connor's parents and Tisdale's parents going crazy on their kids like it's they, they, they let it fly.

57:22 Yeah, they let it. Go and I think I think the other thing to think about like you know, it was talking about like, you know, add nuance to it and like players, you know players parents are going to be solved on criticize play. No, they won't. No, they will not. They won't that's. Somebody who? I'll tell you. What else? I, I, I play collegiate football. I know what the process is about. I know what looks good. I know what doesn't. I'm going to say it. I still sympathize with what those players are going through and how fucking tough what they're doing is. Yes, Sir. But at the end of the day, I like the reason we do this was because we want to try to get better and get to where we want to be. And this is the thing, and this is the thing too as well, Brian, just to throw something else in now because, you know, being playing sports growing up long removed. I'm, I'm, I'm a fan now, but my son, my son plays basketball, baseball and football.

58:13 So I'm watching, I'm watching him play, but like his baseball team, we'll just go that he plays travel baseball. That's the sport that he plays the most stuff. And I've been with these parents for probably six to seven years on most of the key with most of the kids. If anybody follows me on like Facebook or or TikTok and stuff, you'll see I'm interviewing kids and cutting up with them and stuff like that. But I don't watch these kids grow up. So when we had a baseball and I'm very I'm I'm that parent, that's if the other team does some good, I'm going to I'm going to say, hey, especially in baseball, if the other team does something good, I'm going to say, hey, good hustle, man. You know, they 14, you know, Hey, that's great play. Good hit, better, better defense, great, great play. But there will be some parents on the team that'll say, hey, can you say something to my son because my voice is louder than theirs.

59:06 Hey, will you yell at him and tell him this or he listens to you? Will you say this? Because if I said he's going to get mad. So these parents aren't soft on the kids, people who are soft on their kids coach kids who not go to the next level. Most of these parents and most of these players that are at Virginia Tech, which is a big time school, whether y'all believe it or not, they have watched these kids grow up and go through a lot of football. So they're not just on that saying we're the best and my kids should be doing this or, or they're going to critique coaches when they're not making changes. But when they kids get in and they ain't doing something, they probably going to say it. I'm going to say, I'm going to say I sit beside Aiden Green's daddy and I would have never knew that was his daddy.

59:49 I'm going to, I mean, I I would have never knew that was his pops. And I was like, hey, man, put this motherfucker in. What are y'all doing? And his dad never said nothing. And then they put him in and he did something wrong. I think he may have missed a block or something. This was last year. And he said they not going to put you in the game unless you do this right. That's what he said. That's what his dad said. You one opportunity to go in and you mess up. They're not going to put you back in the game. So I'm like, I'm glad I understood that bad because I didn't know that was his daddy, you know what I'm saying? But these parents are, I mean, there are some parents just probably soft on their kids. But more than likely when you have a high level athlete, the hardest critique is going to be their parents.

1:00:32 Yes. Yeah, that the hardest critique is going to be the parents. I've got two things to say on that number one tally. You just summed up my first point. Usually parents are the hardest and the ones to criticize. I know everyone who came from families that had athletes. Your biggest critic was your parents, and it wasn't because they were coming down under you being they want you to do better and they're always going to be the first ones to be like, what are you doing? You've got to be out there. You got to do this. That's that was always my experience. That's how my family did it. Second, I'm not going to knock anyone on like running a burner account and saying whatever they need want to, but. Shut the fuck up.

1:01:15 About those of us who are actually out here saying shit, I get fucking death threats. I've had actual retaliation against my business in numerous ways, and not just from individuals, from gigantic fucking corporations with the wealth of fucking nations. They come at me all the time for fucking shit I do. So shut the fuck up. God, I love it. I love. You but hey, but but real talk if if we going back to it. So if we're looking at you know, because we're talking about the breath of the season and now you're trying to take the show over. If you turned around and you knew Kyron was hurt at Rutgers, right?

1:01:59 And knowing full well he was going to play against Miami, I, I, I, I told him to Tally. I said, I told Tally. I said it didn't matter what he could have been. He could have been he could have had a broke foot. He didn't make a difference. He was going to play because that's bragging rights at the house and he played his behind off. He did if you if you go ahead and put him down against Stanford. In Boston College. And Boston College. In Boston, three weeks healthy. OK. And then come back and play Slee behind the same offensive line because they ain't like he got an improvement offensive line play. It was the same offensive line, you know. Yeah, I mean.

1:02:42 You know it. I. Mean not just Duke, man. Like I said, even in the Syracuse game, you know, we stopped. We stopped throwing the ball down the field, but I think it was like in the second quarter when one of the one of the Syracuse VBS jumped the route and I think Kony had to did the wheel route up up the up the sideline. If he waits a second and let Kony clear, we probably blow them out. And, but, but other people trying to get picks and trying to play crazy and decide to go to LSU and, and stuff like that end up causing us the game, you know, shit. But it's. Teramanos. Not naming names or nothing.

1:03:24 I mean, the Teramanos, man, blame it on the Teramanos. But my thing is, if you do that, how does the season look? And then you got this. This groundswell of all the fools is old, Pop is better, Slee is better, all this, but this guy is hurt. How do we look at it right now? If you think about it, because we probably went out. We probably went out. We we probably win the same. We win the games we won't Kyron. And the question is the Syracuse game that comes up. I mean, that game was a dub that game. Talk about irritating moments of the season. That was the more so you win those three games. I know Robert.

1:04:08 You are waking him up, Jeremy, you know. Yeah. Those three games. I'm a sweet, innocent Jeremy. The the bigger thing is you go into Syracuse and this is crazy as shit to say. You're 5:00 and 3:00, but you have a chance to run the table and play in early December. As. Crazy as that sounds, November 2nd, we still, after what happened to Miami down the road, we held our own. We had we controlled our own destiny of giving you the ACC Championship. Whether we win it or not, we don't know. But I think if you say Kyron's healthy, you basically give him a month to everything that's fucked up between his foot, his knee, his shoulder, his ribs and every other part that he got beat.

1:04:49 To hell with what happened. Syracuse, Clemson, Duke and UVA don't know because the Syracuse game, you sit here and it's like that game was there. Yeah, He shouldn't have played the. Clemson every game you could. Every game. Like the Clemson game? No, we played. Clemson Clemson was a playoff team and we lost about 10 points and I don't think we ran the ball with a running back and. We and we. Didn't run the. Football at All 22. We didn't run the ball. Game Somebody get the ball to Cody. Yeah. Jaylen Lane was the lead rusher that game. Yeah, I think Dan posted on Twitter he said Clemson big and the ball ran down they throat the whole year.

1:05:30 I said, yeah, until you had our coaches that that refused to run the ball. Like you have scholarship running backs, you have scholarship running backs on the team. You got to see if somebody can run the ball, man. You have to. I mean, you can't beat them just throwing the ball. That's impossible. Well, you looked at what happened to Clemson's rush defense for the majority of the year, not running the football against them, regardless of who's in the backfield was, was just mind boggling to me. And, and that was that was the one game where I was ready to say, you know, maybe Bowen can hit the road, You know, because if, if, if, if you can't look at that game and look at that defense and say my best route to success is, is running.

1:06:15 The ball between the tackles. Yeah, then that's a problem. And, and I think I think one of the best defense tackles was out that game too. I think one of the top because the guy was out of the game. So you run Coney, you give baseball another week to get healthy. Like I said, me personally, I just think after the Georgia Tech game, you should have played Slee and me and Tally talked about it. We knew Georgia Tech was going to put nine in the box. Georgia Tech put 12 in the box. They said we refuse to let him get off on us. So if you run Coney, you know, because I think he had more pop, more burst. Mason was hurt. You know, Mason had a bad hamstring.

1:06:56 So I think that was kind of the reason why they didn't play him. But I also look at, you know, kind of saving certain things for, you know, purposes, you know, we don't know, but I would have played, I would have played Coney, I'd have played Mason, you know, out of out of kept, out of kept baseball's numbers down. Because if you think about it, baseball's biggest games, he's like 1617 carries. Think about it, 1617 carries is what baseball is getting, you know, so they want to keep they don't want to throw the ball a lot. You know, 3030 plus passes in this offense is something that they really don't want to do. They really want to play it tight and close to the vest.

1:07:37 They want to run the football. They want to be complimentary, but we we didn't see a complimentary game all year. I mean, the the closest man, the only complimentary game we really, really saw that all three phases didn't give us something to say. God Dang, was UVA UVA Stanford, UVA Yeah, UVA Stanford. That's it, That's it. You know, that's what we saw. So yeah, we we got a lot of head scratching. Do I think, do I think a lot of the younger players that are on this team, this 24 class, this 25 class are upgrades over some of the guys we had? I'm going to say yeah, I'm going to be totally honest with you, I think. I think now you're not.

1:08:20 You're not going to you're not going to get the same upgrade. You're not going to get the same upgrade as people's. Yeah, Here we go. Let's. Talk about this real quick. Let's talk about this real quick. We're we're not saying Schlee or pop over Kyron, We're saying a healthy Schlee or pop over a vastly injured Kyron. These. Situations. Oh well, it's still a fucking problem, but a healthy quarterback is better than an injured quarterback. Absolutely. And you saw and you saw that you saw that in in those games. Syracuse game Slee played well. He you know, he played well. You know, you just, I think I think they kind of like you had certain things. You know, when, when, yeah, when Coney fumble. That was huge because we were driving on them again, you know, that was a big turnover.

1:09:09 And so, and like I said, you had certain gaffes on the defense by one particular damn guy that lost you that fucking Syracuse game. That's it, man. Just go and call him. What the fuck it is a dude had four. He didn't have any catches coming into that fucking game. He'd been a junior, No catches in his in his college career. 4 catches, 88 yards, 2 touchdowns. That wasn't nobody else but two guys. It's called it what it is, man. Yeah, you're supposed to win that game. Yep, you're. Supposed to win that game but both of them decide to leave and. Play over there, Matty B Say he got a camera and a mic. Get him in here, you know, if we get him in here. So so that's send him a.

1:09:49 Link. If he wants to talk, let's talk. Send him a link, he stay want to get in. The only problem with that? Let's get him in. If you win that Syracuse game, your whole perspective is different. Yeah, your whole entire perspective is different because up to that point, outside of Hokey Donnas, who said he knew well before anybody else knew that Kyra wasn't going to play. I knew a dude who knew Kyra wasn't going to play on Thursday. But he ain't saying nobody. He definitely did call his best friend Tally and tell him he didn't do that. But you know that that that ain't how that work. But knowing that the staff held it close to the vest, Slee wouldn't play great. You should have won, won that football game. And your whole perspective is different that what that loss hurt more than any other game for me all year. Yeah, I'm with you because the the the worst team won that football game.

1:10:39 Absolutely. That's why it's frustrating because you take away 2 plays, you outplay them in pretty much every phase of the game. Without question. 100% true, 100% true. I'd argue we. Were the we had the best players and we're the best team in most every of our games. The only argument against that was Clemson and Miami. And honestly, I feel like we beat Miami and then Clemson. That was, we were just, that was right, rough. That was a rough game. To watch we still it was a 10 point it was. Very close. Yeah. I know we had so much talent. That's what hurts. And we know, and we're still going to have a lot of talent.

1:11:22 We just got to put it together and I feel like we put it together and we make it click. We can really have a good season coming up. We really can. We just got to make it click. That's the biggest thing. Yep. So let's talk a little bit about what we've done in the transfer portal so far, because I mean, that's that's been a big thing. We had a lot of lot of people out. We talked about that a little bit. Let's talk about some of the folks we getting in because I feel like we're, I think we, we had to be talked off the ledge a little bit. The first week of the transfer portal. I think we saw a lot of bodies going out the door. There was a lot of fucking uncertainty between who we going to fire. All right, now that we fired somebody who we going to hire. Can we get guys in here while we're kind of in this transition phase?

1:12:06 And then we started seeing them trickle in and trickling in pretty good right now. You know, we got got a, you know, a big crop of DBS that came in. We got a, you got AD line. We got a couple running backs. So, you know, we're looking pretty good on those fronts. What are we looking like from a transfer portal situation? Everybody's dropping out apparently. Apparently I started talking to everybody left. Oh, it was a obviously bathroom break time. I'm still here for you. I'm still here. Sally, what you got on these transfers? I mean, I put something up whenever everybody was kind of acting crazy at the beginning and I was like, I mean, the transfer portal is going to give and it's going to take, you know what I'm saying? I think I said something to the effect of, you know, we we did get a, you know, 16 SAT guy through the transfer portal and somebody pretty much told me that I was crazy. You know, all that's just that's not going to happen And well, you ain't going to get nobody.

1:13:07 Then we start getting people and I'm like, that's what happens. That's what's good. That's what this new age of football is. So I will say, you know, now specific they upgraded the safeties room. You know, our starting safety played in half of a game being Jalen Shroman, and we never seen him again because he got injured. So they went out and got some safeties and a couple of other safeties that we do have are young and show promise. Q Reddish. So with what they did going to picking up flowers and cash, I think it's a good move because you bring in some veteran leadership and you bring in some production.

1:13:54 You know, those both of those guys were productive at their at their stops that they were at. Didn't they get the ECU cornerback because we have the lane go in the in the portal, which again, for me, I didn't expect to see the lane anymore in Virginia Tech just because I thought he was going pro. I thought he would go to the NFL for what you know, he's going to LSU. Kudos to him. So yeah, I hate to see that because I'd much rather him go to the NFL and they say drafted from Virginia Tech, you know, Monsoor de Lion, but he's got to do what's best for him. So either way it goes. I had already mentally made my mind up that I wasn't going to see him play at Virginia Tech anymore. So they go and get this kid from ECU, which is a serviceable kid, But I think we got young talent again on the in the room that can come in and play.

1:14:46 We've seen Dante Lovett play last year and I think it's just going to be reps for him to come in and continue getting better. Braylon Johnson, I think they kind of moved him to safety. We seen him play his true freshman year and he red shirted last year. We got some other kids back there, you know, Josh Clark and Thomas Williams. A couple of those other kids, man, that we just haven't seen that. Now they're going to be going from, you know, someone being freshman to their juniors or red shirts sophomore three years in college. If it's not your time to play, then when is your time to play? You know what I'm saying? Like we got to, we got to start seeing some productivity from these guys that we do have.

1:15:28 And like I said, they did go out and they went and grabbed also Radish's brother, bring him in another, you know, bring in some more, you know, veteran type players that can show some of the younger guys 'cause sometimes. And I, I, I'm going to be honest with you, I have not watched a lot of film on the transfers that we're getting in. But I do know when you have somebody who's played at any program, they bring in some kind of way to be a pro, how to go through your game day, how to, you know, treat your body when you're not playing, you know, different things. Like that is some of the stuff that you need that's not shown on the field because you got to have somebody who knows how to tell the younger guy, man, you got to go to bed at such and such time on game day. Because if you don't get enough sleep and you eat Skittles all night, your body's going to react to certain just little stuff like that or you can't be up on a game. Wait a second, hold.

1:16:30 On I was crazy as shit that week because I was watching these transfers go out and I was freaking the fuck out, but I was too. Busy to like, tweet about? It I'm going. To answer Hashem real quick, because we've got a first time here. First of all, that is the Kirkland. That is the Costco 12 year blended Scotch. He's from Costco, he's going to blow up. He's by South. Carolina Costco. He brought it up last week. At the family Gallery. Oh, that ain't Dan Matty B Oh, Matty B got a whole set up.

1:17:16 He got everything over there. He got black lights Matty B in here hey get him on here I'm. Mute this up. Hold on hold. This is big. This is the first time we have ever brought a fan on mission. Ever. We've talked. About doing this. Shit before me and Brian have and this is what we got going on Maddie. He is, he is. Fully embracing, say, the program. He is drinking. He's got the old school TV. Logo Salute. Salute. 1993 Hokey sat on, so salute. Welcome, Maddie to the state of the program, where ain't nobody over but Tally because he got to stay sober because he can't lose all his money getting drunk when he got downstairs.

1:17:57 Yeah, I'm drinking water over here. And I hear you guys and I, I, to be honest, I, I appreciate you. Witness Matty B standing up and fucking coming on. Yeah, witness. That. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, we live in a age of cowards and I feel if you're going to say something, you may as well say it. And I'm not afraid of coming on. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I do have opinions on things. I'm willing to be corrected and I'm willing to be right. Brother, I'm the same boat as you. Have you seen my fucking podcast? It's me and Paul just fucking going on, and we say if you want to see real conversation about football, go watch Boundary Quarter right after. But actually, and I'm not going to spread any hate on your podcast, but of the hokey social media presence on YouTube and or X, this is the only one that I can really tune into.

1:18:50 I, I, I don't like the other ones. This is the the real deal for me. This is the only one that I tune into. I've told Tally that I've quote tweeted him and and you know, I love, I love tune into this particular program because you guys are willing to get down and we're not reading poems at the beginning. But. I would say that I, I, I. Like those guys? Very cool man, I met them all. Hey, I'm not speaking for the podcast. I'm just a guest here, OK? If you want to help me out, you can. I love those. Guys, they sent me a a nice glass kit of whiskeys. I know I just, I just think we got to get rid of some of the pussy assness from from our program and, and, and, but yeah, but anyways, I, I just came on to talk to you guys. I love the way that you talk about Virginia Tech football. I don't always agree with you, but I'm I'm here and I'm willing to talk and I'm willing to hash it out with Chris over some things that I've said.

1:19:49 I'm willing to hash it out with anybody over anything that we've talked about. Or if you want to bring anything up, I'm willing to chime in. But thanks for having me on and let's go Okies. I'm going to get on you for this because this is for me. You said went out like you do realize the Syracuse game, if we won out, we would have been the ACC championship game. We lost three games by 17 points and I'm going to go step by step. Syracuse. Let's not hash that again because goddamn it, I'd make everybody in here angry as well. Clemson, we know Kylan was injured and then we run the ball 4 goddamn times the whole game with our lead running back Jeremiah Kony had went for 96 yards on 10 carries against Syracuse. Malachi had 72 yards, averaging 5.2 per carry. We were running the ball against one of the worst fucking run defenses.

1:20:44 We chose not to run. And then the Duke game, I was watching that in my sister's house and I had to listen to the rest of it on the radio. So when you say went out question mark, homie, it won't. It won't. Like we got that fucking blowers blown the fuck off. It was there, we fucked it up, I'll say that all day. But if you take a look at that the last month of the season, November 2nd, the Hokies control their own destiny. Yeah, do 5 and. Three, let's talk about talent. Let's talk about execution. Let's talk about because those those are the three things primarily that go into winning football games. Talent for the most part, we were there in, in in most of those games.

1:21:27 We were there execution spotty at times and and and Chris has talked about it, you know, especially the Syracuse game, which we won't necessarily run into the ground and give execution was a problem at multiple times this season. Coaching in in particularly situational coaching was bad at a lot of key parts of this season. There were opportunities to win there. And to Chris's point, I think if you are better with the way you are managing those week to week things, you put yourself in better position on game day for the execution piece and that makes up for some of those other things.

1:22:10 Yeah, well, I mean, and and other news, Brian, water is wet. I mean, I mean like, you know, if we execute well, we win. The problem is we didn't. And I don't, I like to blame players a lot #70 I'm not going to say his name. Parker Clements, I did not like him. But there's, but you know, I mean, we could talk about execution and we really could have got in there and all these things. This comes from the top. This is a top down. Shit runs downhill, right? And that's that's why we suck right now. And I agree. With you, we could have won out and that's why I put that thing went out. That's crazy. That was sarcastic and so I guess it didn't come off that way.

1:22:53 No, no, I, I got. What you were saying, Curtis, Are you that fucking drunk? No, no, no. No, Maddie, I didn't. Know how to. Read your thing like the Hokies respect thing. I thought you were actually being semi serious. Oh no. The HR saw. Your. Virginia Tech football now. I saw your one O comment, I went OK I know what he's doing. So, so just a little backwards context for you guys. I'm getting married in May and I. Congratulations. Thank you. I decided for my bachelor party not to go to Vegas or not to go to these other places. I plan preseason to have my bachelor party for the Clemson game. I got a suite because I bought into the hype. I bought the lie. I said boom, we're going to go to the Clemson game. I'm showing my boys Virginia Tech football because I've lived in Portland, OR for 10 years and I went to so many. Games.

1:23:39 And I couldn't tell you. I said I'm going to show my boys what Blacksburg is all about. And by the third quarter, it was a funeral. Everyone had their hands on my shoulders and it wasn't a good thing. And so, but if we would have won that Syracuse game, that Clemson game is so much different. And then if we went out from there, we're talking, we're going to the ACC championship. And, and I mean, so I was being very sarcastic in the sense of went out as a joke. It was. It was more so in the sense of why is our leadership sucks so bad and why can't they rile these boys up to win a damn game like they did at. The rainy game, right? So The thing is, The thing is what I put your first comment up about Maddie, is when you say Kyron in Good Slee and Papa Better or something like that. I don't want to lie and say you said something that you didn't, but it was something to that aspect. But then now when we're talking, we're talking about why can't the coaches rile them up?

1:24:39 I'm just trying to see where are you coming from what, what context do you get that this player and this player are head and shoulders better than this player? And if they are, why didn't the coaches put them in? I think we agree on that point. I think a lot of us agree on this podcast with that point where it looked like seniority was a big deal for this coaching staff and wanting the seniors to play out their season. And there were players that were better that were not played because the seniors were playing, for example, Parker Clements or for example, letting Chiron out there with injuries. He's obviously hurt. I don't hate Kyron drones. I I just think that he wasn't an effective quarterback in the system that we're running, especially hurt. He we could have gotten through if he was fully healthy the whole season.

1:25:26 But I think the coaches. But you got to think, you got to stand on what you said, you got to stand on what you said. When you type it, you said Kyron is not good. That's what you say. You're backtracking. What you said you said Karen is not good, popping better. Why was he still playing? Right. So Karen isn't any good. What I meant by that is he wasn't good to play those games. He was not good, Kyron. Is not any, but that isn't what you're. Saying on the field to make the place. That he needed to play. To to to have the offensive execution for they ran him like a battering ram for the first few games. I mean, Kyron isn't any good in those situations. If he's hurt, he's not any good.

1:26:12 But that's what you didn't say. But hold on. This is, this is what I'm going to say, man. I'm going to kind of take your side for say, when you type in shit that can happen. So first thing, it's always. I'm in the. Context because if you were to say. I love Curtis. If you would have said. Curtis typing or talking? Let's go. Y'all know how that goes? I know that because the way I type and shit. But the whole thing is you've got to throw that in there because you're right, right? If that's your feeling, Kyron Hurt is not them. I think everybody, all seven of us here agree and probably all 478 people watching us right now agree Kyron banged up was not as good as those guys. No, they weren't. Well see this guy makes this.

1:26:52 That was context because the way we read it is wait a SEC, Kyron Jones last year, 17 touchdowns, 3 interceptions starting at the Marshall game, which we want to go back to 2023 and we can always say this program was the first program to say Kyron Jones should have been a starting quarterback. We said it right after the spring game with Mike McDaniel sitting here. Mike's, Mike tried to join us later if things aren't happening at his house, but the, the, the context has to be there because when it's when we're out in this sort of arena, all we see is Chiron isn't it's good. It's like, first of all, we had a chance to talk to Karen and everything and they did not run him like a batter and ran the first few games. They were trying to make him a pocket passer which Tally went the fuck off on.

1:27:37 Right. So this is the thing that the only reason that I was harping on that was not to be argumentative with Maddie. I just want people because what I do when I look at football and I watch Virginia Tech football is I get very personal as far as how I feel and what I remember. And I don't go into really what happened. The things that people are saying and the things that we remember is not really how it happened a lot of times. So you have to go back and you have to look at it and you got to kind of go through the whole film and self evaluate and go. What really happened here? Just like Tim said, they didn't run him like a battering ram. They tried to make him a pocket passer, which he still got hurt in in Vanderbilt. If y'all don't know if he was at the game he's pleased, let's run with. That let's run with.

1:28:19 That but but my thing is, but what I'm saying is when we seen Kyron play last year and it ain't just the fans, it was people who aren't Virginia Tech fans said this kid has something, This kid has something. He may be a dark horse Heisman. I didn't get to that far, but some people had that. Some people said he may be ACC player of the year, couple other things. Whatever the case may be, if he gets to that form, Virginia Tech can do this. Apparently that didn't happen. We seen what happened this year, injuries, him not being good, whatever fans want to say whatever we think. But what I'm saying is when you say that the other quarterbacks had the same offensive coordinator, all I'm saying is the other quarterbacks came in and got hurt or the other quarterbacks came in and we still lost games, we still didn't win. Like what did they do so good that we did that made us better Again, any quarterback that would have played, any quarterback that would have played would have beat UVA. That's what I thought.

1:29:19 Stay on the topic. All right, so let's let's look at this. If if I were to go to any of Chiron's games this year, any of them and then we run, let's just go to the just extended replays on YouTube, the show where the condensed version of games. Would you say that pops and sleaze games look different than Kyron's? Kyron was hurt. He got hurt in Virginia. At the first game of the year, we get started at the first game of the year. He was hurt in the first game of the year. He got hurt. You don't remember that he was. Laying on the field? No. He was laying on the field, face down. Why was he playing? That that's the question. You said the office of coordinator made the other two quarterbacks look good.

1:29:59 I'm saying why would they let him play and he's hurt. When we talked about this in the space, the office brought up the fact. Everything was different. Everything was different. See, we talk about Vanderbilt too, but like, even a hurt Kyron in against Vanderbilt completed 66% of his passes, 322 yards and two touchdowns. Two touchdowns and had. I mean, he wasn't out there taking a shit on the field despite how we felt for the duration of that game. Yeah, we should have been, you know, and, and, yeah. And he had like a lot of bad drops in that game. He had a lot of bad drops in that game. Oh yeah, a lot. Of and Ollie Jennings had one across the middle that was a. Now this is what I was saying. Yeah, what knowledge, Aiden? Green my bet. And what we'll say and what we'll say to Maddie's point, I'm not saying Karen is above criticism. I'm not saying that at all.

1:30:50 But what I'm saying is that this coaching staff 100% for a fact knew that he was going to be deficient for certain reasons because he was hurt. And they said, hey, can you please do this for us? Can you please go and do this? Because we don't want the optics to look this way. And his parents and him said we're going to let that happen so fans can go. When Chris said the kid took all the arrows, he took all the arrows for this year, took them all. He wasn't even. He came back. They stopped him from going to school. He didn't go to class any during the Georgia Tech week, he didn't. He had three Mris that week or that month.

1:31:34 He didn't go to class at all. So they knew he was hurt and he went and scored a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown and. Been in the damn game. And receiving touchdown, he shouldn't have been playing, but they said the coaches were playing this game where they were saying we got to win. This is the more important game, so let's do this. And then when they played the game of, well, he might play against Syracuse. He was supposed to be on a in a boot that week. This isn't something that tally made-up. You can go check records or you can talk deep enough in Blacksburg and they'll tell you he wasn't. He was supposed to be in a boot against Syracuse or coming out, but they said, well, let's let him warm up so we can trick him.

1:32:16 All of the media do. All of Virginia Tech media knew all of them. All of them knew and they. And they trusted crime because they wanted to get their money in. What, other than money would make that decision happen? He didn't play that game, so I don't know what the money is that we're talking about. I'm just saying they they, they were trying to play a head game with Syracuse, which kind of worked because Schlee went in. You know what I'm saying? Schlee went in and played and he played fine until he got hurt. You make this. He got here for two. Quarterbacks. Now that being said, I I don't understand the mind games to the point where when I look at Colin Schlee, when I look at Colin Schlee other than his physical stature, right?

1:32:57 I mean Kyron is imposing from a physical standpoint. Other than that, their games are very similar. Very much. Very similar, very much so. You're not necessarily even playing a great head game because you're still preparing for a similar type of quarterback. Other than the fact that Kyron can run you the fuck over. Right. Hey, Mr. I can ask you a. Question, Maddie, Hold on, hold on. Let me say this real quick to him. Curtis, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no mine. Mine's legit, Maddie. No, I was just going to say, Maddie, I'm not cutting you off from the stuff that you're saying because you you have your right to have any thought process. You want to we all fucking mad because we didn't win this year, but I just want fans that when we're talking, yeah, I just, I just want fans to look at the complete package whenever we're talking about stuff because a lot of times we go to players and players and players.

1:33:48 And sometimes it's player, coach, player. Sometimes it's coach, coach, player. You know what I'm saying? We got to get on everybody. And Maddie, you do that. You get on the coaches too. I ain't saying that you, you, you crossed them out. But I do feel like a lot of fans get bowing a pass and I fucking don't know why because I'm going to tell you right now, I'm on his ass just as bad as any of the other coaches because he got everything he wanted back this year and he didn't do shit with it. That's my opinion. A great point with fucking Bowen is he he got everything back, but he did not take care of the offensive line. You cannot build an offense without a fucking offensive line. Go ahead, Maddie.

1:34:30 Did you go to tech first of all? Yes. What? What years? Briefly, it was between O 8 and halfway through O 9 I dropped out and I started selling drugs and the same as Doctor Jeremy, but he graduated. Yeah, we went to school the. Same time I went to school, yes, yes. But I also, I grew up in Blacksburg as well, so I grew. Up, yeah. So. Fatty. Yeah, I went to Blacksburg Middle School, Christiansburg High School and then to Tech so. You probably went to the old middle school before it was tornado. Yeah, before it was completely destroyed. Yeah, luckily I wasn't there for that, but. Yeah, you are not in the actual building. I'm very, yeah, I'm very familiar with with the area. It's, it's important to me.

1:35:19 I watched a small town transform from impoverished to, you know, having the football team is super important to me because of how I saw my community transformed. So I, I, I guess I have a little bit more heart in it than I probably should sometimes. Now you, you now you're hard in the right place. Don't, don't, don't, don't do it like that. You're hard in the right place. I, I think what, what you know, what you're saying is that, you know, there's enough and me and Tyler gone around around with it. It's enough blame to spread around all across the board. You know, I love this staff. I love this school, I love this program and I'm I'm relatively new to it, But you know, it's still to the point where, you know, there are certain things along the way that and, and for me and, and just for me, you know, just like Tally said, that Georgia Tech week is, is the week that turned it for me because you had the opportunity to do certain things.

1:36:17 You you slee wasn't coming back playing get prop, get pop prepared and and whatever happened, whatever, whatever happens happened. But a lot of these guys, they came on y'all show early, early last year. I remember Kyron saying, Hey man, we came back to get prepared to go to the pros. Yep. And, and I, and I and I, I, you know, I kind of say to a lot of the guys, because I talk like, play where your feet are planted. That's going to happen. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. But play where your feet are planted. But they were playing for the league in August. That's what they, they weren't playing to be great this year. They were playing for the league in June, July, August.

1:37:00 That's it. That's where their minds were at. And and then just had they just went and took care of their business the way they could have, then it would be totally different. But but going back to the the biggest thing, and I think this Matt Moore higher, like everybody said earlier, it's probably the biggest, biggest hire is a huge hire and change some things in strength and conditioning because what we're seeing and I think with this DC high is going to help too. That's going to be that's going to be huge. You got to win. Let's. Let's start with that right now, because you're saying that we're often here screaming at who do y'all think, and I'm going to pitch you to Dan. Dan, you've been quiet. Dan got Dan's computer fucked up on it and it had a rough last 15 minutes. Dan, who's the DC hire, honestly. Who like who do I?

1:37:47 Who? Who do? You think And who do you want? Man, I the honestly the longer it goes the more I think it's Anthony Poindexter. OK, is that who I don't? Though. I mean, at this point, yeah, like, Jeff Collins doesn't inspire me. He's a good DC. But like, I feel like there are some new coaches around our regional rivals for recruits. Not to mention James Franklin is still heavy in Virginia. Like he got Tony Rojas had a pick 6 in that fucking playoff game and he's a Virginia kid.

1:38:27 Like like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like I feel like from AI feel like he's a good coach is not necessarily the March situation because he's 48. He's been Co DC. He had a little he dabbled in calling some plays. I feel like even pride and Manny Diaz and now Tom Allen have probably groomed this dude to call plays. He's great recruiter. He'll get kids to come to Virginia Tech. I feel like that if that if you're going that route, like that's who I would go with. He's the closest thing you can get to like hiring Tori and Gray without hiring Tori and Gray. Because you're not. At this point, you're not hiring Tori and Gray. We're not getting Gray back.

1:39:08 So if if what you want to do is get a big Dick recruiter that can pull kids from Virginia that has at least enough experience doing it, whether you whether Co, DC or whether calling the defense, he's checking a lot of the boxes. The only box he doesn't check is that after you move on from a MARV, you're not getting a very proven defensive coordinator. In terms of a guy that is called the defense for multiple years before coming into Blacksburg, that's the one thing. You're Maddie. Maddie, Maddie, First things first, this is our podcast. You don't fucking stay on mute, dude. Everybody's got a voice here. You stay off mute. Is that a?

1:39:48 This is. Dino no, I'm not. I'm going to be honest. Can I be honest? I I have a little bit of gas. Oh my God, we don't. Hey man, like to be honest. Jack the Ripper in this bitch. Can I just say something real quick? I kind of respect Maddie for putting his face on the camera and letting him be his thoughts be exposed. Is that your is your picture is Joe, it looks like that's you, right? People think I'm a burner. I did an AI picture to put a headset on me so I could like. I just want to say I'm not I. Just want to it's the only time I'm ever going to say this. I'm going to say it now on this program. There are grown ass men on this in this world that all they do every day is think about me.

1:40:35 They're with their wife at the Thanksgiving table, they're opening presents, they're thinking about me. They're and I feel bad when they fuck their wife because I guarantee you they're not thinking about her. That's all I'm saying. You got man. Prod alone. We didn't got we. The liquor has hit Dan's hit Maddie. We'll. Go to you. Before we got everybody else, DC where you want. I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't hate the the Poindexter thing. I I really just want someone who's called snaps before. I'm kind of with you guys. I don't really follow the coaching trail and all of these things and really try to dive into all of them.

1:41:17 I want our leadership to pick somebody who's good. I hope that Pride would. He didn't before with Mars. So my trust is a little broken. But I'm not going to go through every single potential coaching hire and their resume and all these things. I want a culture fit. I want somebody who loves Blacksburg. I want somebody who loves Bud Foster. I want somebody who who can really Foster under oh, wait, pun intended. Pun intended. Under that under that care. I don't have like somebody in mind. I don't I I just want them to play Virginia textile defense and I want us to be aggressive 10 our years back and get blown out on 3rd downs as usual. Yeah. I mean, let's talk about this comment from Andrew, because, you know, I think this is kind of at the crux of the two, the two biggest names that have been floated out there in terms of AP and Jeff Collins.

1:42:08 You know, I, I, I like the point here. The only thing that I will say is that we've talked about pride needing somebody that can help him with in game management. That's been a big problem off and on throughout his his tenure. It shows up big time in one score games because when it's tight, you see the flaws a lot easier. And we we've seen the flaws in one score games, prize decision making and crunch time. So Jeff Collins could potentially help with that. I'm still at the point where Jeff Collins rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I don't know how good he would be in this footprint. Was Jeff Collins, don't know if North Carolina this year? I don't know if I.

1:42:55 Trust the coach that gave. 70 Burger Did they have a? Did they have a? Basketball school, Yeah, right. They did, yeah. That motherfucker can't come here and coach. He. Gave up seventy point you. Need resume guy to be a game manager. Does that person really have to have a big resume? I almost feel like you go to tech sideline and bring on David Cunningham and he would game manage pretty well. My fucking nephews playing NCAA kid game man is better than we fucking. Game. Man, find the 100th best NCAA player and they're going to. But if you wouldn't have an adult, do it. Shelton.

1:43:43 Shelton is my first, first, second, third, 4th and 5th choice to be the game manager. Got Sheldon is my stats child I love. Him could make it tonight, but. Back to the question though, what Curtis said and what Curtis said and and Lavar just put it up as well. I never paid attention, but JM U's deep defensive coordinator would be a good hire. But just thinking about things like logically now, it's like if some of these people were the hire, why wouldn't they be there? Like if Jeff Collins was the guy we're trying to get portal people in, why is he not there if Lyle him? Why? Why have we done so good with the ease in this transfer portal cycle, right?

1:44:27 So it's not so much that I think of like what I want. Or what I think is good. I'm just thinking like what it could be. I'm trying to I'm trying to play clue. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to do this and I just want y'all to like, he said. Make the hire and it be good. What if money were not an object and we could hire anyone that may be available here in this offseason because of a firing? I'm just saying Brent Venables is right there. After he just lost the Navy. But he ain't. He's still coaching, though. Yes, he's still a great defensive coordinator. Yeah, he's a good defensive coordinator, though. He just, I don't think he's a good head coach. He's Oklahoma. He's not a shattered.

1:45:08 He's he's been a he's been shattered after leaving Dabo Swing. I I just no, I don't, I don't think Venables. I mean, if we're if we're fantasy booking, we got all the money in the world. Fucking Nick Saban's on college. I mean, you know, so get. Out of a job to pay your people? As a coordinator, let's go. Let's go get. Saban's Yeah. Michael Vick is a coach, is a hit, Yeah. Michael Vick is a coach at North Norfolk State. Yeah. Deshawn. Jackson Deshawn Jackson is coaching. Bill Belichick is coaching in college. Like what is going on right now? This is crazy. I don't know. By the way, what's?

1:45:49 Going on with Belichick, I have no clue how to feel about it because I don't think he's going to be a good head coach at a college like situation, but he still will have more money than anything that I think we've encountered in the ACC ever. So they're really investing in the program and I can't wait to see it fall flat on its fucking face. As fuck UNC. Yeah, but but I mean, what about Bam Bam Cam? Where's Cam Chancellor at? Don't you think he could come in and do something? That ain't that ain't Cam steel. That ain't I don't think that's cams Moi think Cam is just enjoying enjoying life.

1:46:33 So I mean cam's running. A restaurant. Yeah, Cam's enjoying life, man. Cam's got. Some people tried that too, and if you've been to Blacksburg, you know that didn't work out very. Well, hey, but I'm. Going to picture you in a second. I'm old, I'm old. Light up Tib's ass real quick, Tib. You don't know about Oklahoma culture football, because Bob Stoops was the fucking defensive coordinator of Florida in the 90s when they lit fucking people up. When he got to Oklahoma in the early 2000s, Oklahoma was a fucking defensive fucking beast. They held fucking Florida State to two points in the national championship games. Guess what? The only way you score points is 2 points is if you sacked the fucking quarterback in the end zone. They did have offensive culture there. Over the last 25 years it has transitioned to an offensive culture.

1:47:18 Listen, don't, don't fuck around with me about fucking football history because I follow. Hey, real, real interesting. Since Bob Stoops retired, Oklahoma's won two bowl games and 1:00. Of them did Coach Bob Stoops 1, Coach Bob Stoops the rest, Yeah. And they lost the day to the Navy. But by the way, they did the right thing. You go for two at the end of the game in the bowl game, you try to win the motherfucker. Hey, Chris, because you're down in the 75 and. And this is a topic I did not plan on bringing up tonight, but what has been that feeling with Mike taking the Norfolk State job down there, man, Because it's you live in. It and. Is an icon down there. Yeah, well, Mike's not just an icon down here, Mike's an icon nationally. I think that's one of the the best redemptive stories anybody could ever talk about.

1:48:04 But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of torn in in the midst of it because my daughter goes to Norfolk State and she's been on my ass for not having any Norfolk State gear. And so I had to go buy stuff for Christmas just at Norfolk State. But it's a great opportunity for him and to get a lot of the kids. Y'all know, every kid is thinking, hey, I should go play big time power for football. And a lot of kids have had Norfolk State on the back burner. We're like, OK, if I don't get there, then I'm going to end up going to Norfolk State. Well, that's going to shift because they're going to have to get their one.

1:48:46 I can still think they're going to be kids that are going to send gold P4 schools and because they're still going to love that, but you're still going to get a higher grade talent ball player, especially with ODU here in this last cycle, not taking 1757 kid yeah, you, but you're following. So I think it's it's huge in the area. The impact is great. Everybody's excited and he's he's going to get an opportunity. He's going to get some time. What? What? Do you think about what do you think? Because my thoughts on it was, man, why didn't Tech bring them on? But it's great for Norfolk State. It's great for the 757. I'm really excited about him going in there. Yeah, but. And he still loves Virginia Tech, right? He still loves Virginia Tech. So, yeah, he still loves Tech.

1:49:28 Could this be sort of a farm, a farming program to where he he's recruiting, developing talent. He he's going to keep, he's going to want to win his games. But where he could funnel some talent to Virginia Tech out of the 757 after getting some snacks? Well, we got, we got, we got a big enough farm system in the 757 that because of pride, because of the relationships with Fontelle Mines and JC and all these guys, we got enough people that get the best players out of here. So it's not going to take for Mike A, I'm going to store a kid over here and I'm going to give him, Nah, there's enough, there's enough talent to go around. You know, with the new thing, with the JUCO guys going, I feel bad for a kid that's in high school right now. I'm going to be totally honest with you because unless you're a top a top tier kid, that's probably going to turn around and end up being a problem because because people have to win.

1:50:19 OK, So they'll go get the best first, second or third best JUCO player, bring him into play for a year or two and then turn around and get and you got 2003 thousand kids jumping in a portal. That high school kid is going to have to come in and be elite and having that whole year. They're going to have to come in and know they're going to be they're going to red shirt, you know, and and it doesn't matter because they won't have the time to be better than a guy who's been on even a JUCO training table to be able to come and outperform him. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, the big, the biggest thing for most kids when they sit, man, is they just ain't, they ain't big. They haven't been eating enough at home. Mom and daddy ain't been able to feed them enough. You can get fun in to play Division One football. That is the big thing you're dealing with. So.

1:51:04 So let's and then. Tackle this a little bit too because you know, Maddie, you brought up Cam Chancellor. What I see is that you're going to see some kids like Cam because in today's game, Cam would not have gotten AP4 ride, let's be honest. Zero chance. Yeah, zero chance in. Today's game, he would not have gotten AP4 ride. You're going to see guys like that get a chance at a Norfolk State and then when they develop, they going to take that big jump. There you go, that's it. Kim also wouldn't have been as overlooked. Now recruiting's a lot different recruiting services. That is fair, but I'm saying you're not going to see a a a a 2 1/2 star quarterback out of high school get a get AP4 look. Well, well, that's, that's kind of what I said earlier, right? I mean, that's kind of exactly what I said. That's what I'm saying.

1:51:55 That's why I wanted to piggyback on that and kind of circle back to that point relative to the VIX situation. It's harder for the high schoolers to get in and actually get into a good program now because of the transfer portal. And like I was saying earlier, why would you roll the dice? Why when you can go out and get a known quantity? When? You can actually see how they perform on a level like this before. Yeah, there's going to be these fucking superstars that you go out and you swing on. But everything has changed because of me and I on the transfer portal. And I'm not saying it's bad. Honestly, I think it gives us an advantage over a lot of programs because we still have like a top 30 NIL. We're still in a good position to where we can go out and we can swing and we can Moneyball and we can put a good team together out of nowhere.

1:52:41 Yes, we can. So it's not necessarily bad, it just sucks for these high schoolers. Yeah, High school program right now. It's, it's, it's crazy right now for high school kids just trying to get recruited. One of my, my good friends, his son is going to ECU as a linebacker coming out of Huntsville, AL. So it, it's just watching him go through that, the, the recruiting. Yeah, watching him go through the recruiting process and, you know, listening to his stories and things like that, it's crazy. And it takes a lot of work for a high school kid that has talent to get to the next level because of the transfer portal and how many people are in it and things like that. But I'm have to hop out for you guys in just a minute. I did want to say something, though, before I get out of here because I've seen a couple people talking about it in the chat and just reiterating on it.

1:53:30 Like Mike Vick, that's my guy. Like that's when somebody says like, who is your heroes even on and off the court, like Mike Victoria and Kobe is, is that's my heroes. And not just because of what they did on the court is because they made mistakes and they came back from a different way, you know what I'm saying? And they addressed those issues and and got better from them. But when we're just talking football and not, you know, the love of a of a player or what he's done on the field, Virginia Tech couldn't. Like I've seen people keep saying Virginia Tech couldn't bring Michael Vick in and make him a coach. I mean, they could, but if it fails, where does he go from there? You know, it's kind of the same thing of like, I feel so bad for Jay Ham because Jay Ham had 0 experience and he got thrown into being a defensive coordinator and we fucking ate him up and he'll never be able to coach up Virginia Tech again because because of what he did his first stint. So what if Mike Vick comes in, he tries to help with the quarterbacks or does something to some extent with zero coaching experience and it turns out horrible and then like you've ruined the legend.

1:54:37 Nobody wants to see that. So he has to go that route of feel how you want to feel about Dionne. I feel like Dionne talks too much sometime, but I got to give Dionne his credit. Dionne went that route. He went to Jackson State, he said I'm going to go and get the best. He got Travis Hunter and he turned Travis Hunter into a Heisman Trophy winner. You know, I got to give Dean that credit. I'm not saying Mike Vick will do that, but he did open eyes for people to give, you know, former athletes a chance. Because when you have somebody like them or Michael Vick or even Deshaun Jackson, I don't know how where it goes. But I'm saying in the old style of football, In the old style of football, they probably wouldn't have gave them chance.

1:55:20 And you got other people coaching too. We got other. Players coaching Georgia. You got any George out? There any Georgians coaching doing a good job at at Tennessee State. So it things are changing. You know what I'm saying? And I, and I'm glad to see it, but I don't want to not say nobody, nobody said, oh, go ahead, go ahead. But to your point about Michael Vick, everybody, because I've seen some of these hate comments too, and I want to punch him in the face, but I'm not. I'm going to the Bugs Bunny and kiss him on the cheek. But if you haven't read his book, then I suggest you do so before you have any judgments about that man. He served his time, he did what he he had to do. He's admitted to his wrongs and hit in his book. It's very clearly laid out about the man that he is now. So for all the Michael Vick hate, get the fuck out of here. That boy from the 757.

1:56:12 Him and Allen Iverson changed both the perspective sports. They both came from Virginia and put some respect on that man's name. Because of what he's done. Michael Vick, because he's what he's done afterwards, has done more for animal advocacy and actually advancing taking care of animals than almost anyone else in existence. So fuck all y'all but also people don't. Understand the. Cultural. Nation in which these things are fostered. It's a there's a there's a whole bunch behind it. So before you have a stupid opinion online like I do often, try to at least read into it a little bit. Michael Vick is a good. Man, that'll take you down a whole another. Rabbit, you know, I've always wanted to sit down with Dwight and tell them, Zach, how I feel about it. Most people won't understand it.

1:57:08 Some people will understand it. But you. Know yeah, yeah, that's a totally. Different conversation. I had a conversation with some true animal lovers about that situation and they probably think I'm the Antichrist or something because of what I said about a couple of different things that was going on. And this was right in the middle of it. Because I can't believe you support him during this. And I'm like man, I didn't see some stuff where I come from. I'm just tell you like y'all see people going out and killing elephants and Jaguars and stuff like that. Like that stuff look weird to me. But when I see anyway, I ain't going to get on that tonight, y'all. I got to get off here.

1:57:49 I love y'all. But don't have a good one man enjoy which wife. Man, win some money for me. Man, I'm about to go bet on some games. Hell. Yeah, you think? Something about Michael? Vick, Something about Michael Vick that doesn't ever get brought up that I like that people need to realize is this man, he could have filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy and not paid shit. Like he would have been off the hook. Like you could have liquidated his assets. He wouldn't have owed any money. He chose to file to to pay his debts back completely. All of my my. Millions of dollars. He chose to pay it back. Character well.

1:58:29 I mean, again, because I grew up in Blacksburg, he's he's a lot different to me. Kids couldn't afford school clothes before he showed up in Blacksburg. Yep, we were automatic ran through this town because of Michael Vick. We were I love Michael or and I love my dogs, man, I love it I. Mean Michael Michael Vick. I mean, my parents are more affluent. A lot of my friends parents are more affluent only because the area became more profitable and that only happened on the legs of Michael Vick and so he will always be hero to me. You didn't even need to try here. You could just sit on real estate forever and you'd be rich in Blacksburg. It was worth fucking dirt. I love this entire thing and I, I made a whole thing about it.

1:59:10 Like it's everyone in Blacksburg just like, Oh no, we need to stay this little small town and they idealized like the 19 fucking 50s when no one wanted to fucking live here. It's ridiculous. There is a huge contingent in this town that wants to hold the entire goddamn fucking town back all the time, and it's ridiculous. And hey, that's just Jeremy. Blacksburg on the On the rocks, ladies. And gentlemen, rocks, we just. Miss that? Often, so they might need to go and get some experience under his belt because there's a difference between being a high level player and being able to coach on a high level. It's two different, two different things. Get some experience and then I would love to see him again. Honestly, that would make my heart sing. I would.

1:59:58 Love to, it's also a different thing, but if shame when it came here 1st and failed he'd have been fucked too. Well, there's play. There's play left, and there's still a Game of Thrones redemption arc for him. The banished son returns to claim the King's throne. There's still that arc. For shame. I don't know we. Know how Chris feels? About Shane, we know. How Chris feels about Shane Beamer that. Whole fantasy about Shane on your own, yeah. But I guess, I guess from somebody, you know, like me, I guess, and maybe this is stupid, maybe it's ignorant. I just want somebody who has to care about it. Like I feel like Shane would have to care about it because it's his.

2:00:41 Dad, I think. I mean, I think. Like that, I want somebody who. Cares. I feel like pride has to care about no. Prep no pride care about it? Don't. Care he don't. He don't care about it. It is. This was his bump. Yeah, this, this, this next year is he's got to make, he's got to make a stride. He he had a shirt out last year 3. I got it. Oh, hold on. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey. Man, that, that shirt is everything, you know what I'm saying? And, and I'm and I'm a gearhound and that's the one shirt that I don't have. It's two shirts I don't. Have. I don't have that I've. Been dying to get but that three, that 37 question mark one, there you go. Go and go and show it.

2:01:25 That's huge That that question. Yeah, that that question mark shirt was supposed to be double digit wins. Now he's got he's got to be to the point. Whatever slogan they come in this year, it's got to be about getting to 8-9 wins. You know what I'm saying? It's a six shirt still. Oh, it's still high. Yeah. And so, so that's that's, that's you. That's that's. That's. That's the number, so you're. Saying dove dove emojis in the chat. So at at best it's going to be 377 at this point. Yeah, it's going to be 377. Yeah, yeah, it's 377. But this this year is huge. This everything was pointing towards, you know, we thought 23 but the every them coming back, we had this high expectation of everybody was going to come back and tick up. But I'm going to be told on.

2:02:18 To you I. I think only a few guys ticked up to the next level like we talked about, yeah. You guys picked up? Yeah, they didn't. Yeah, right. Yeah. So base all ticked up. APR ticked up, I think. Yeah, that's that, that's it for me. That that took that next step. That took the next step. You know what I'm saying? Jay Lane was hurt. You know Jim SPTI just got to say Pratt cares about it. It's the only thing that get him out of Penn State. No, a few extra $1,000,000 a year will also get him out of Penn State. Let's not like.

2:03:03 So we can say that there. Was probably only a handful. Of jobs, probably. Would have taken out of Penn State. Let's let's be honest, there was a handful of jobs probably have taken out of Penn State so. This is one of SO. He cares, but he. Would not point if he didn't give a shit. Exactly. Oh yeah. Because hold on. Because this is going to go back, you're right. The last guy, because the last guy gave a shit. He was hired about three to four people. Woodson ticked up. Oh yeah, Woodson. Yeah, Woodson definitely ticked up. Yeah, Woodson took some, but Woodson was coming. Let's talk about Jayden Keller. Jayden Keller finally took the step we were expecting. It's probably a year too late game, six year later than we wanted it to be. But I think it came with him having but that that's when him coming having a true Mike Brumfield, even though he may have been undersized, he was still a true Mike to kind of show him.

2:03:50 And they've done that here. Just from what I've seen, canteen was the guy that kind of get Monsieur and strong to the point you can feel they were good out there. That's why they kind of brought these these cornerbacks in to kind of, you know, mentor Lovett, mentor the Josh Clarkson and and the Christian Williamson and things like that to mentor a Curettic. So that's what's going to end up happening. The kid from ECU is a film. How? Dude, that dude. Yeah, right. He is the He is the new canteen. Right. So the, the the only, the only thing we've never had here is a true might. The only problem is he gets there January, he gets there January 19th. When he gets there, you're going to you're going to have to kind of do what Dabo did with Sammy Brown and you're going to have to live with some of the mistakes. You're going to have to live with it, play Keller, play Clatter Bomb and live with some of the mistakes. It's so it's, it's going to be, it's going to be very much. Dax Hollyfield, 2018.

2:04:48 Come on, you have to live with. A little bit of that. You've got to live with a little bit for the upside of what he going to end up be. But then you butter Noah Chambers beside him. Noah, Noah Chambers being, you know, the kind of Fred Warner type kind of kid having that, doing that, you know, my heart goes out to my dude, you know, and everybody keep praying for my man Gabe. Gabe, Gabe is your extra. He's your extra recruit in 26 because he'll be back. He'll be back then motivated bigger, stronger, faster. And that's what's going to happen then. So that that's that's the biggest thing. You're up the middle is going to be you're going to have a fall off somewhat, but I still think Gilliam is going to be fine. Copeland, Copeland going to come back healthy. Gerard Johnson is going to come in there and be able to play. You're going to have you're going to have hand Chuck be able to play on the outside.

2:05:37 You're going to get some guys like that. Ace and Stevens is going to be. Dandy's going to be good. Ace and Stevens has. Has looked good. Man, if he can ramp that up to 40 snaps a game. Yeah, but the thing about it is you're going to be able to have guys, you know, the since the sincere kid. Yeah, I'm tampering. They said the portal, You know, I would love him to come here and, you know, and and be able to match up with him and him and him and Ace and, you know, Burgos on the other side and just. And then Dandy. I'm just looking at it like that. So. Chris, everybody, everybody else tampering you might as. Well, do it. Hey man, I'm on the Darius great tampering deal because I need as many offensive lines as.

2:06:17 I can get, man. Hey, and why are we tampering? Why are we tampering? Kyle Altuner, brother. Oh. Baby, come on home. Baby, come on. Home. The crib is the crib, baby. Let's do this. Got me shit. They should get everybody else. Also, Tib Tib brought up a really good point earlier. Yeah, absolutely calls out dogs. Yes, he does. Overton. Overton is going to be him. Good call Bag on him at law. Oh man, Bags Bags is on fire. Yeah, Bags is on fire tonight. Yeah, I forgot about I forgot about Aaron Donald 2 point O the. The only thing in the comment section? James Gilmore. Y'all know anything about Priester from Hampton? I know he follows Anthony Poindexter on Twitter. And he's not the only one.

2:07:06 Yeah, he's not the only one. So I, I, he's. Not the only one. Yeah, I, I just think that we're going to, we're going to continue to be a school that we're going to prize, going to live in that in that high school area. And I think if we do get API, think it's going to be able to help us get some of those Pennsylvania recruits, get some of those New Jersey recruits, still stay solid in, in Virginia because I think we got a good, we, we boarded, we batten down the hatches. Nobody's coming in here getting all the guys. And we can go hit the barreling Catholics as hard as we have, and even harder now. Right, we can go get those cats. So I, I definitely think that that's going going to be good. I I, you know, y'all were saying about Poindex. I, he was the one guy that when we were, when we were recruiting and he was the only guy that talked to us.

2:07:49 He was the only guy that went to talked to us. We went to Penn State and and it was really a disappointing trip for the kid because we had did that time that's we had did a trip. We went we came to tech, then we went to Pittsburgh and we and we did West Virginia. Then we did we went went up to Ohio to see my my in laws and we came and did Pittsburgh and we thought Penn State was going to be the cream of the crop and it was highly disappointing. Love James Franklin didn't talk to the wide receiver coach and Anthony Poindex was the only one that sat there and talked to me and my wife the whole time. Good, good coach, good coach, good guy, solid guy. When we came back up there because the kid wasn't going to go back, he was like, hey, I'm not going going back up here for nothing.

2:08:33 They I mean, it was so bad. We, we went to the junior day kind of like our hokey, like our, our hokey fest where the, the class, the 20, I think at that time it was a 22 class, 23 class. They were all coming. And then you had your high, high no liable 23 guys. And when Key went there, he, you know, he was like, man, I, I don't even like it. And then matter of fact, the wide receiver coach came down in the hotel. He was walking past us and he was like yeah, I'm about to go holler at one of my buddies and didn't even talk to Keith. He said OK well that kind of ends the deal for me. I'm not coming back up here Yeah and and yeah so you know they they kind of were out but but point that's to talk to us the whole time was very personable. Good, good guy.

2:09:18 Remember this when we came back up for the Penn State, Ohio State game? We don't mean we went there that time because we wanted to see Marvin Harris in the real life. I ain't gonna lie to you. That's what I wanted. Real quick, follow this coaching. Staff. This coaching staff since day one when they decided to recruit the portal because the first year it was many portal guys, which I think we all said was you lay the culture, whoever's here, if you're good enough to play, you play. They have hit the portal pretty fun good. They are good at actually analyzing guys and saying that guy fits, that guy fits, that guy fits. Thank you for bringing that up. But y'all, what else is going to happen because the the move looks like Poindexter. Poindexter is the guy at safety and he's going to be the DC. Go ahead.

2:10:08 Put the one James put up. James is always on here with us. It does that happen? Yes, yes. I think right now you're, he's like auditioning for this, right? Because he's, he's leading the bowl prep and he's he's coaching it in the bowl. So there would be some sort of proof in the pudding, so to speak, on that one. Yes. That that's, you know, we talked about as far as coaching changes, you know, Ferg being the in house hired that we're comfortable with. If AP is the guy, ADB at linebackers is the only other in house hire that I'm good with.

2:10:48 Absolutely, Absolutely. And I guess I mean, there have been talked or people brought it up, I guess out of, you know, all season boredom or whatever. But JSJ is don't have a job and he's great with high school recruiting and DNS. Would they would they put our guy JC just on defensive tackles and bring this guy in for the edges and the in home high school recruiting Jeremy don't laugh at. Edging though is AP bringing anybody with him because you're breaking this with. The guy and. Getting well, Those conversations are happening, Dave. Well, I, I'm just I, I just think it's kind of silly. I know nothing.

2:11:29 We're not in a position, I don't know, a. Damn thing I'm talking about. Pride. Pride is not in a. Position good for Maddie. Pride is not in a position to promote from within. Why? Not you're not wrong. Because he's not wrong, because nobody under him would have been fostered. Well, now, that doesn't mean that somebody down there doesn't deserve it. I've been passed over a lot of times for positions that I thought that I really earned and deserved. But the the company didn't need it at the time. They needed some outside influence to come in and change things around a little bit. So that doesn't mean that anybody below there doesn't deserve it or they couldn't do the job. Pry in. This may be his last season. If he doesn't have a winning one is not in a position to promote from within on a 500 team.

2:12:13 You have to bring in somebody from the outside. All right, so let me let me throw this action because because what we're doing here, what we're doing here, right? So if you bring in an APA PS coaches safety, that means Pearson's probably taking a off the field roll again. So you're still back in a situation where you've got one guy that pretty much is a in house hireright because Pearson outside of his credentials that he didn't personally attained, he he wasn't a coach before he took this off field role, right. So I would be good with the DB stepping into that role when you got somebody like AP stepping into safeties and Prelo taking more of an off the field or at least a secondary type position role within this organization because you're trading one for the other. Well, I don't mind guys stepping up in ancillary roles. I I don't mind assistant coaches being promoted from within. I think with the DC though, I think it has to be an outside hire.

2:13:09 Oh, yeah, yeah. You saying, you saying the coordinator for these? Yeah, You saying for the coordinators, the guy, Yeah. OK, but I just understood you there, Maddie. Yeah. Ain't no fucking way we hire in internal for that for that. No. Last time we do that in the short term. Right. And and, and, and on the same note, you already had a world class strength and conditioning guy in the building before we brought in Deej. I love Deej is a good guy, but Jared Ferguson was a world class. He already had everything in there and I think he's going to change the culture with the strength and condition. I mean, I was cracking up when I cracked up, when, you know, I was talking to Dan, I was talking to the kid, you know, first day, you know, we ain't got no music.

2:13:52 We came to work. I love that about Ferguson. So I love Coach Ferguson, I love, you know, I love the old staff. But I think that higher within changes the culture. I think it changes the culture. Yeah, culture is big and I think, you know, you talk about the music. I mean, there, there's something to that. I think Ferg is going to bring an edge to strength and conditioning that we haven't seen. And we talked about it a few weeks back, like my day, you had to be fucking afraid of your strength and the conditioning coach. You did not want to see that motherfucker walk in the building you. You wanted to have a a healthy fear of that person because he you know that he's going to push you to your absolute fucking edge.

2:14:32 Absolutely. So I, I, I, I like, I think, I think getting AP will be three home runs. And I just think you're going to have to do what they didn't want to do before and that's go play the young guys. There's, there's some younger this, this 25 class is amazing. You know, I've, I've had it on record. I damn, they got everything I wanted for Christmas. You know, I got, I got the Loach, I got, you know, out and going to Penn State was the only thing that I didn't get on my wish list. But my number one thing on my card was Jeffrey Overton, junior and Lord, you know, you know, I had to ask the kid how he was doing and, you know, he said little Jeff was out there acting up doing bowl practices.

2:15:17 So I'm excited about him. So yeah, I think they're going to have to play those young kids and, and just let let the tips fall where they may. They're going to either love it here or want to stay here. But you're going to have to play them because we saw every time we saw a young kid play last year, they showed out. They showed out. And let's talk about how all all these fucking ranking systems punished Overton for for what was going on with Pops, because that was a fucked up situation. Not even his dad or his uncle. I was confused as the article. I, I don't give a damn what it was. I I am not the only person in this rating system thing that I'm in love with is Kobe Crawford. Everybody else I'm not really a fan of because I watched it happen to Jeffrey Overton Junior, I watched it happen to Chance Wiggins.

2:16:12 I watched it happen to Garage Johnson. Allen Adams. Hey man, I don't, you know. Yeah. Hey, you happen. Hey. We like the Matthews, Michael. Mad Brett. Platterball. I seen kids drop just because they came here, not because they couldn't and it would be like they didn't even do nothing on the field. But for Jeff to be down 3334 in the state, I'm telling you, I'm, I'm selfish. I was glad he was down there so folks who could forget about him. So when we got him, they would stop forgetting about, But he was probably, he's a top 3-4 player in the state of Virginia hands down. Absolutely. That dude, That dude right there alone, I can say it. He's the only kid that kept my kid from being a Gatorade player of the year.

2:16:56 He was the only kid to stop my kid from being Gatorade player of the year. That's how good Jeff is. That's how amazing. Record-breaking receiver. Come on, man. Keenan Adams, right, 22 state records and Jeffrey Olmans is the tag on Gatorade Player. Of the year, that's how good. Jeff is Jeff is a monster, man. Jeff is a monster. Hey, so let let's talk about because we talked a little bit about like the shuffling and and we talked about a little bit on defense. Is there some shuffling that could happen on the offensive side of the ball from a coaching standpoint? And what would that look like? I don't. I don't. Well, I think you made your biggest move when you got the old line coach, I think. I think the one thing is tight ends, I like them.

2:17:37 I love keeping Brent Davis on the on the set. I love him. I think getting Stu to just focus on special teams because there was a point in time of season Stu was not my best friend during the season. I was I was really upset when I was really upset with Coach Hope. I'll be honest with you. Come on. Champ, I mean, there was a game that I can name in every game there was a problem. You know, we don't want to go back to 00, you know what I'm saying? We don't want to talk about getting a black punt against Marshall. We want to talk about having 2 numbers the same again and not getting called for it. Come on man. Miami. Hey, but that's my dog. I love Sue, but hey, Sue was on Sue was on the fence, but you know, Sue did some things to make make things come back, you know, just keep. Yeah, that that, that that block kick for a touchdown in the Clemson game was pretty crazy.

2:18:26 And he got away with, he got away with a lot of murder because of that. I mean. He's always had all all all world kicker, punter and return. I mean, I mean still. He develops his his specialist. I'll give. Him that I mean he develops. It and you see everything happen. I think the question goes is if Brent, David, because you said coach Davis at tight end, Chris. I like him now. Because remember now NCAA's blowing the fuck up. It's not the way we grew up with it in all of us. I know we I'm we're all in this same about 10 years span. Maddie, I know you're in your mid 30s, so we're all in this about 10 years span. Is if. Stu Holt literally gets named special teams coordinator.

2:19:09 He could be special teams coordinator but never go on the road as a one of the 11. You all know that, right? Right, OK. You know that like he could be the special teams coordinator but but not be assigned to one of the guys who goes on the road. That shit can happen nowadays. Like you can have an offensive, a defensive coordinator and then never go on the road to be a recruiter. Yeah. OK. Like because, because vice versa. Everything is shaped now in the NCAA. You don't have to have yet a doors open back there. If y'all didn't notice, you see my hats. It's all good. OK, Speaking of backgrounds, I have to address this before it bursts out of my chest like an alien.

2:19:50 Matty B, you have more Ghostbuster like memorabilia in your background than anyone I've ever seen and I fucking love it because I love Ghostbusters more than fucking anything. The first Ghostbusters I think is probably my favorite film of all time. It's, it's mine as well. And yes, I, it is a, it is a thing. Once I made it up, I grew up poor. I grew up in Blacksburg, VA. I mean, we, I grew up in a trailer park by Ramble Ridge Rd. I don't know if you guys know where that is in black by the airfield. But before those townhouses were, there was a trailer park. And so I was poor. So the second I got enough money, I decided I was going to make my own thing. So I built my own Proton pack. I have my, my flight suit back there and I use that. I go out, we raise money.

2:20:37 Last year we did about $25,000 for the for the kids. So yeah, Ghostbusters is a big thing for me, so thank you for nothing. Fuck yeah, man. Yeah, dude. Come on, man. Hey. We're talking about position shuffling maybe? Tim, that is my palace, also known as my man cave. Witness. Witness. Yeah, also I have the picture of me in the background. Good thing we're not past January 20th. There might be a drone strike coming in. That's. Right. Yeah, Dan, what you got? Quarterback Coach. Question mark, question mark. Hey, you know, you know, we we had addressed that a little bit on here. We had talked about all right, so if we're if we're if we're shuffling offensive side of the ball, are you shuffling Bowen back to tight ends and are you bringing in a QB coach? If you're if you're making Stew Holtz, your full time special teams coordinator, taking a position group away from him? Is that what you do?

2:21:33 I think I know what Chris is going to say and Chris is going to say I don't want a tight end coach calling plays. I want my OC focus on the offense, OK? That's what I want my OC doing. But you have a quarterback coach. You have one. Brian Crist is your quarterback coach. And and if anyone doubts that Brian Crist can coach quarterbacks, his son plays at West Virginia. Ham and. Sidney, baby. Yeah, he's spotless. Baby. You know what I'm saying? So let's let's let's get that out the way. I, I just think the, the kid said something that that the staff is going to have to do and it's going to be across the board.

2:22:17 You're going to have to kick somebody. You got to cuss somebody out. We've got this culture we want this is home. But I, I don't know about y'all, I got cussed out of my home as a kid. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I did not love my parents any less than, you know, anybody else that's going to they're going to have to turn the heat up in some areas to challenge some kids and be able to do some certain things and they and they going to have to grow up and man up on some on certain things that make things happen. So Brian, Chris is your quarterback coach. I do want I I want, I want Brent Davis in the building. I love what he brings, especially with the run game and the different things we can throw into the run game. I want my OC focusing on the the one thing, the one thing Bowen said to me in a recruiting, he said, I'm going to get you to rock and I just need him to get guys to rock.

2:23:08 But I believe if you can protect it, and I, I think I said this to Dan, if you can protect it, then you can run it. And if you can run it, then you can play action it. And if you can play action it, you get one-on-one coverage. If you get one-on-one coverage, we win. That's it. This is why. This is why. This is why Matt Moore is pivotal. Yep. Yes, yes. I mean, if you can do that, if you. Can if that's the higher that that hits, then that's going to change the trajectory of what this. Program but but but hold on real quick. Every single person in here Brian Siegler is Matt Moore big nut hire. Yeah. Oh yeah.

2:23:48 Jeremy, Big nut hire. Yes. Chris. I'll throw it on the table. Dan. Massive nuts. Maddie. No. I I but no. No, give it to me, Maddie. No, let it be sad. Give it to me. Maddie, go ahead. I'm not saying no because he's terrible. I'm not saying no because he's a bad hire. I'm saying no, because how great did West Virginia do last year? West Virginia The only thing good about that offense was that offensive line that. Offensive. Line OK, OK, well, that's fine. All I'm saying is it's not like we're bringing in Alabama's online coach. We're not bringing it. You know, I always, I always take it as a win.

2:24:29 Anytime we can take anything from West Virginia, that's a win to me. I, I love that, but I don't know that. It's like, I don't know, I'm not swinging my nuts on it. I'm not going to the bar and, and being like, oh, we just signed Matt. More like nobody even knows who that guy is outside of that region. Like, I don't know, I, I, we'll see. We'll see what it is. You can find me at PK's. Hey, the only other guy would have taken over Matt Moore was Marcus Johnson. As as far as guys that are available and reasonable in terms of where we are as a program, right? I you talk about Alabama, we're we're not going to go and eat nuts off Alabama State. I just say you got to show something to me at this point. I I get that point. I'm saying of the guys that were going to be available, Matt Moore and Marcus Johnson were one A1B and we got.

2:25:13 One A1. BI don't think our offensive line was that bad last year besides #70 Parker Clements, to be honest with you, I think if that right edge is is secure, I don't think it's that terrible. Look at the pass pro outside of Chaplain and Moore. Outside of Chaplain and Moore, yeah man, I know new. I mean, we'll see. We'll see how much of that's coaching, how much of that's athletes. I, I'm OK with the hire. I'm good with it. I'm pass Pro is a problem, man. I'm not right with such a fucking problem. Now if if we if we're just talking about can we run the football? We did an OK job running the football. Now Sheldon's going to bring up the point that yards before contact was still. Pretty bad. When you have basial toot and breaking a ton of fucking tackles that makes your offensive line look a whole lot better.

2:25:58 And if he can break a tackle that gets him to the second level, he is deadly. I mean, we looked at, we saw a lot of his big runs. Once he got to the second level, once a linebacker had to try to hit him and he was bouncing on, he was gone. Yeah, they didn't want, they didn't want to fight with him. So like I said, if you get this offensive line to be a better, just better athletes and better coach, and then you turn around and you got guys, you know, not getting hit 4 yards, they're down the field and going there, that just changes the whole dynamic of the offense you get. To the second level without getting contacted first, you get a guy to the second level without getting contacted, versus you have to get contacted and then breaking it.

2:26:41 That's when you're going to get into something. Well, here's the word as as much as you want to say West Virginia ran for more yards than we did last year. They gave up less sacks than we did last year. And if you look at the development between Colt Mckibbix, Zach Frazier, I am so fucking pissed. And 49ers did not take Zach Frazier last year in the fucking draft because that dude, you see him up at Pittsburgh as a rookie, he is fucking elite. He is an elite fucking center. He was under Matt Moore all four of his years at West Virginia. That's that's when. I started looking. He had what, 3 All Americans? Mckibbich was the second team All American. When you start seeing that many guys become good, it's like, no, not going to run.

2:27:28 Oh, we can. We can knock Ron A. Little no, no, you're not going to run. Well, no, no, no. Somebody already buried Tally, buried Ron earlier. So. But when you're talking about a team. So now we're pissing on his grave a little bit. Sorry about that. We have to have our scabies. That's how we live, guys, and. It's how we live in society. Yeah, but. But either way, they ran for more yards. They gave up less sacks than us. As you start looking at that, it's like why did they do that? Because they did not. Go look at who they had. They did not have the running back to capabilities of Basil 2. They did not. Have.

2:28:08 That's the. Scary part is he went for 1100 with the low average offensive line blocking. And if you're in a year before, yeah. Did you look at the year before with CJ Johnson? Yeah, with CJ Donaldson the year before, yeah. CJ Donaldson was amazing, you know. Yeah, I tweeted. I was like, if you can get like create those holes, Terry and Stewart is 220 lbs, you get him running downhill. Second level brother. I don't know if any DBS going to be able to take him down. That's true, but but damn what he don't have and Brian pointed out when he went here he don't have turbo, no.

2:28:50 He ain't got. It in there, but we got people for that. He doesn't have the last year that that Tooten had. Like Tooten could beat that guy, and then he could be, yeah. Basil was very special. Yeah, he is special and I'm so glad he got 1000. Yeah, so glad he got 1000 yards. Yeah, somebody. Yeah, somebody going to mess around and get him in the fifth round and be like, Oh my God, we didn't even know who this guy was. I hope it's Sean Payton. I'm man. Oh God, nevermind. We're not going. To get shit. Man, we're not going. We're not, we're not going. We're not going to Sean Payton. Fucking fucking Caleb Williams put a better number up than Bo next put Caleb Williams on Denver. Y'all be like 15 and one. I, I feel like we're always going to get good running backs. We're historically a good running back program.

2:29:31 It's like, that's why I always feel like we should always have good DBS and that doesn't always work out, but we have great running backs out of Virginia Tech. You know I mean. It's not really surprising to me that that he was able to to come. He he's maybe since I don't know what's it maybe David Wilson. He's probably the best running back since. Then. Herbert. Herbert. Oh yeah. Lil Harbert. But he had to have Harvard, Khalil and. Between Khalil and Dave that it was only Kavion McMillan that went for 1000 plus. But yeah, the time you were there, Brian, Jeremy, Dan, that fucking 99 to like 2006 G or 2011.

2:30:13 Jesus fucking Christ. What a we were RBU for that period of time. Yeah, we. Were RBU, we were fucking DBU. We were a lot of use during. That time period we were just. Fucking pumping it out. Yeah, it. Was. It was, it was so fucking good back. There and we didn't even get the full Brandon Orr experience. I mean, it could have been. It was one of those things where it was, it was cool to come to Virginia Tech because we were this hot new team that was just like, we had cool uniforms. We were, we were it then and then, you know, it was played. As a nasty brand of football, which was dead, the guys that weren't going to those flashy programs or that got overlooked by those flashy programs. I honestly, you, Corey Moores, I'm gonna go here and play four years and I'm gonna kick your ass every fucking year. I honestly think Corey Moore and the way he presented himself and did the, you know what, the Terror Dome, the entire fucking thing, I think that did so much for us as far as our environment, as far as our pride, as far as our culture. And I wouldn't say on the level of like what Mike Vick did, but I think that is a close second.

2:31:29 Just his mentality, just his presentation. I think that did a lot for our brand. I think we're like, you know, Cornell Brown and take, you know, Dwight did before that even like the the way the brand got built on knocking the piss out of you just to knock the piss out of you. Yeah, yeah, Barry. Yeah. Guys who? Yeah, guys who lay the hammer, I think. But I think you got you got some young guys who? Who who see it that way? You know, the Caleb Wilson sees it that way. You know, he wants to hit you, you know, and the cute reticence, they want to hit you. You know, the Dante Lovitz are going to be physical. They're going to be nasty with you.

2:32:10 So I think that I think that's coming back. I think that. Kid, we just brought in Isaiah Cash. That motherfucker hits dude. Yeah, so I guess, but. He's but I got to be honest with the guys. I've seen some of these social media pictures, Soft eyes, I don't know, soft eyes. He looks like he looks like he listens to a lot of Drake, a lot of Drake, a lot of Drake. You can tell this. Is that guy a lot of that's not a. Beast not like us. Not like us. Another guy used to lay the wood. Michael Strahan's a giant teddy bear, and he was a killer. But I'm thinking about like Virginia Tech identity too.

2:32:50 You guys brought some great names. But like we need like a Sam Rogers back. Like someone like that, like a Sam Rogers, just chip on your shoulder. Always overlooked. I'm going to go out there and make a damn play type of kid like Sam Rogers was that for tech for a long time. And. Those kids make the difference in a ball game. Yeah, and we used to, we used to eat on those 2 1/2 three star kids and we used to develop them and turn them into monsters. That doesn't mean you always go to the NFL, but if Sam Rogers walks into Blacksburg, that man does not buy drinks. I can tell you that he is a legend where he's from. But but that's going to happen now because what we have to look back is where we are now as a society with the NCAA. It's not going to be Sam Rogers coming out as a walk on getting the scholar.

2:33:36 Literally getting the Sam Rogers and Cody Grimm days are are. Behind us or they're over, but what's going to happen is APR and facial tuning days there. You go look. At throat after after the poor, they're not any good. They're not good players. Florida shitting on fucking APR. He comes up 16 1/2 fucking sacks this year. He was second in the nation. And if you look at his sack compared to the guy, BC he were more impressive, more impressive that game. He feasted on them. He didn't do shit to us. But if you start looking, that's what it's going to be. It's going to be names. And I'm looking at the portal like Rimac and Priester and Brown Murray. That's what it's going to be. Now, Maddie, that's what it's going to be guys.

2:34:19 It's not going to be those two and three star guys. It's going to be the guy like Shrub Coble who went down to Clemson and he said he's not good enough to make it here. He's going to come up and play free safety and be the fucking dog and he's going to fucking intercept 6 passes. He's going to knock somebody out of a game. That's the new, that's the new what it is the Juco's two because what we said earlier and I can't remember who it was because I'm I'm a few drinks deep now. Yeah, we got. But who said like the the the kids? If you aren't an elite stuff coming out of high school now, what's your best bet? Go to JUCO for two. Years. JUCO. JUCO. For a couple years, get bigger, get stronger, and then go elsewhere. It is a changing landscape of college football and we see that as well with the College Football Playoff. And I know so many people had their fucking opinions about OSM.

2:35:11 You shouldn't have been there and so and so shouldn't have been there. That's fucking. Great. Hey, hey, no. No, no, me and me and Josh, we agree on some things. We agreed that he agreed that they should be there. What he's trying to say is it they shouldn't be there because, well, this and that and the other. But we'll, we'll leave that as it is. I mean, at some point they're they're just going to get to the point where whoever's got the best rosters going to make the playoff. And fuck that shit, because if that's the case then we're basically in the playoffs this year. Like just being a good team doesn't earn you a right. You still got to go out there and win football, Win fucking games. Winning games matters. You've got to be punished and, you know, get given your props for the games you win and lose.

2:35:52 Not just how good did you build your team. This isn't this isn't fucking Madden simulation. Like, you got to go out there and win the game. And I give you guys a scenario and it's OK if you roast me, I'll take it. I'll take it 100%. Is Virginia Tech's best route to the playoff to leave the ACC, go back to Group of Five and take the Boise State route. No. Or try to make it through the ACC. No, A coming through the ACC because what's going to happen is every year there's going to be this and this year was 4 Big 10 teams. Next year it's going to be 4 SEC teams, three Big 10 teams.

2:36:32 ACC is probably going to get 2IN likely every year because I think the Big 12, because they had their biggest brands leave that foot fucks them, their biggest brands fucking left and right. Now with the ACC, if you can go in the ACC championship game at 10 or 11 wins, win or lose, you're in, you're in. You saw, by the way, SMU, if those motherfuckers just could catch a goddamn pass on the fucking 1 yard line, and I saw that play. Before I. Does that not change the game though, Chris? It. Does boy? Jenny through the day. That motherfucker bothers it like he's. Me. So let's talk about two things on this. If if we're talking about dropping down to to G5. So there's two things first.

2:37:18 First is conference money. 1st I got a piece out. You got a piece out I. I love the germ. We love you, love you all. Love you. Brother, you didn't. Black out you. Didn't black out give this time? You did it, Jerem. He. He. He's on the board, he's on the ACC board, so he had to leave while we. That's right, that's right. So 2 two things. Despite how shit ACC money is, it's still better than any group of five money. Yeah, I'm right. This. Thing #2 is that we're not Boise State where we have to recruit and how we have to recruit. We're going to need money to do that, to be competitive. We're not in Boise where we can use a national recruiting market and pick up the cast offs from the power forward teams throughout the country.

2:38:04 We don't. We don't have that luxury. We still got to recruit within our footprint and our footprint is fucking saturated. Yeah, but what doesn't have a lot to do with. I feel like our athletic director is not a good money raiser. I feel like he doesn't know how to put the screws to folks. I I don't feel like he, he's, he's really getting the money. I mean, what's our rich? I think he's a good accounting man. I don't know if that's he's a good well. Who's our Who's our richest alumni? I. Mean Robbins. And robotic. Kids guy. Maybe they own. The top they who Sangria has sold a company for $8.3 billion he's. Rich for sure, But does he care about football? That's what I'm saying. He was on the sideline Johnny. Get the pitch up some money. You know the hold. On I'm bad, don't educate me, that's OK, that's OK. I can be wrong do.

2:38:48 You remember the guy on the sideline? There was a guy screaming at the opposing team player. Just think that I don't. Remember that? Yeah. So that's him. That was Mayhul. Mayhul's worth about $12 billion. He's a little more. Mayhul carries very much cares very much about that, yeah. If I had $12 billion, Virginia Tech would have every. I mean he paid for the the the player lands. There. Yeah, they would have proton packs and lots of money. No, what I'm saying is if you have $12 million, like how much does he give it? It's OK to care and. Scrap, I mean, he paid for the players lounge. So I mean, yeah, he pay, he's he's paid a lot of money. He he's, he's put his money where his mouth is and he continues more often than more often than anybody else that I know.

2:39:31 As far as deep pockets are concerned. You can, you can slander other billionaires out there that are in the Virginia Tech sphere, but Mayhul is not one of them. You cannot do. I'm not slandering any billionaire. I'm broke, OK? I'm a Ghostbuster, all right? It's a hard. Job Hey, no, I'm just, I'm just saying if we're, if we're talking about guys that aren't doing their part, Mayhul is not one of those guys. Well, no, I was talking about what Babcock not doing the spark is he selling how much money you should give. I was just talking about. The Oh yeah, I I definitely think wit is not a not as much of A people person as you would maybe want on this, but he is a finance guy so but. But but our two money. I think, I think he stretches money better than we we we could otherwise have, but I don't know if he's as good at bringing the money in. For sure.

2:40:14 But if I'm account, if I'm an accounting guy, let's say I'm not a sales guy, I'm an accounting guy, our two money sports are in the hole. So if I'm accounting, no they're not not the black. They're not. So what's he doing? So first of all, no, no sport is in the hole. The one thing Virginia Tech has over anybody is we are pretty much any money that comes in can be used. Well, look at Nebraska, go look at Alabama, go look, they are they are in debt. They are in debt. We are not in debt. That is the. One thing again, sorry, let me clarify before you. Make your point. I'm not talking about money debt. I'm talking about our team suck. So men's basketball. So we our football team is 500. Our men's basketball program sucks. Those are the two money sports.

2:41:00 If they don't do well, less money comes in. So I'm not talking about. No, it doesn't. That's the thing. Because the TV revenue is what it is. We're getting $63 million regardless. It doesn't matter. What does matter? One factor of the money So TV. That's the biggest factor of the money. The the sales inside the stuff is like 8% now. It's not what it was 30 years ago. What about used to be? Literally if you couldn't sell out your stadium 30 years ago, right? If you couldn't sell out your your basketball, you were fucked. It ain't that way no more. There are teams out here who cannot. UVA is the perfect fucking example. They can't put 50% of their fucking people in the stands.

2:41:41 They get the exact same amount of money as we do from the. ACC Can I tell you something funny? UVA gets more in donations than we do, and yet we still outpace them in. Total. In total revenue and we also outpace them in wins on the football field. But so the the problem that we have is that so looking at NILI think the problem that people will have with wit and NIL right now is that they're looking at this gutted basketball NIL situation and how how that was handled. And then looking at a six and six football team and saying, what do we get for that investment? And now we've got two teams that are mid right. So that that's what they're saying, is that we ended up allocating more money to football, we hamstrung our basketball team and we don't have anything else to show for it.

2:42:29 But that's what, so that's what I'm trying to get to I guess. And maybe you can educate me. I can be completely wrong about this, but having been in sales, being in business and just kind of understanding how the world works, typically you look for an ROI. So if I'm giving you a certain amount of money, I'm expecting a certain product in return. If that product is not being returned based on the money that I'm spending, then that money shortens over time because the product is not there. So that's, I guess that's what I'm coming to when it comes to, it's not just the TV deal, it's the NIO donors, it's the donors to the program. It's saying, hey, well, we gave, we gave you guys 500,000 last year and we got 500 as a record. Maybe I'm maybe we'll do 275 this year. Yeah.

2:43:19 And if you're talking long term, yeah, you're going to see potential declines if you're if something doesn't change, whether it's win loss record, whether it's staff changes that change the trajectory of how you feel about this program long term. So it's. Still speculative. Right. It's still speculative. We're still, we're still speculating. We had this return this year, We're speculating some additional return in the next two to three years, right. So you still have to base it on that kind of that kind. Of place, that should be our overall Like if I'm with Babcock, that's my overall message to everyone. If you come to Virginia Tech, you're going to get a return on your investment as a kid, as a player. If you donate to the program, you're going to get a return on investment as a as a donor or as an alumni. If you do ATV advertising deal, whatever it might be. ROI should be our biggest goal overall, and that's for kids and players and everybody.

2:44:13 If you donate your body to Virginia Tech, if you put it on the line every day, you're going to get a return on investment. If you donate your money as a local business, you're Scheeler Motomile, you're going to get your return on investment because we're going to have a culture that expects winning. And it's not just we're going to get our TV deal and our revenue deal and hopefully we'll get some nil and we'll transfer you off to another school. I think ROI should be our new slogan. So. I'm, I'm not going to ask this and I'm not, I'm not trying to like call you up on. On this, Chris was about to say something. Because because I think, because I think you, you expected a better ROI on your on your investment this year, except for the goddamn quarterback got hurt. Your ROI on your investment on your football team is better if your quarterback doesn't get hurt, if your own line doesn't, if your quarterback doesn't get hurt, you win more games. We're sitting here already.

2:45:08 We're sitting here thinking where we played last weekend because we would have an opportunity to do that. We're only looking at the ROI because OK, we invested this much in these because you because you had to pay guys and you came back in 66 and it's like it was a down year on this rate of return. They gave guys, gave guys money, they paid guys more money to come back, Price said on y'all's show. I had those guys come in and say are you going to be a different player? Some of them did, a lot of them didn't. Some guys ticked up, some guys didn't, and the major guys that you had to have tick up was the reason why you're ready to return is down. If Kyron's healthy, your ROI is better, right? Absolutely, if the.

2:45:55 If the offensive line, if the offensive line is is better prepared and we get better, better coaching offensive line, your ROI is better. You got less drops, your ROI is better, right? You get better tackling. You get better tackling in the secondary. Your ROI is better. It is a long. Let's get. It's like you can't. It's going. To be look at it, because if you look at it Maddie, for example, LSU this year, man, LSU budget is about 3 times what Virginia Techs is. Absolutely. They won 8 fucking games. You tell me their donors don't want to fucking like Brian Kelly on fire. You don't think backward. You don't think backward of Billy tied, tied, of going across the swamp and with them Gators and dropping off that ex.

2:46:38 Billy they pick on 75 them some of the. Fuckers in the Middle East. Oklahoma. Oklahoma is a good example too. Yeah, yeah. Same thing. So you. Look at it. It's going to be this waves. And it's like, well, how do we figure this out? Go, Brian. Well, I was just going to say. So there's, there's two things #1 the house settlement thing is going to take care of at least the first, the first wave of this NIL situation once, once you start getting things publicly available, that's going to be a big, big change to the framework of how NIL is handled #2 I'm not trying to get personal. Do you subscribe on like Triumph? Do you have a Triumph subscription? Do you do anything with that?

2:47:23 Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. OK, OK. So, so, so you know, like there, there are intrinsic benefits to supporting NIL outside of wins and losses, right? So, OK, so we're talking about two different levels here. So there is still incentive for you to make that investment even if the wins and losses aren't quite there, because you get a more personal experience with the team that you care about, right? Yeah, no, it helped me with my bachelor party like I talked. About earlier, so, so that's what I'm saying. So, so there are things like that, that I think Triumph is doing well that that they're they are providing value outside of necessarily the product on the field. And as NIL matures, I think we're going to see Virginia Tech being a lot better position long term from an NIL perspective.

2:48:09 Now whether that leads to wins and losses, I'm not sure, but I think it's going to help that ROI that you're talking about. Yeah, and I just, I just want everybody who comes to the place, whether you're a player, a donor, a fan, whatever, you're getting more than you put in. And maybe that's a lot to ask. And but I think having a high expectation is good because if you fall short, it's fine, but it's better than just being complacent. Yeah. I don't. I don't think we're being complacent at all. I really don't. I I don't no one's happy with six and six, whether in Merriman or on this podcast, in anywhere in between. Nobody, nobody said, but I don't think, I don't think they're being complacent. I think, I think they're, I think they're moving forward. What they had to do this year in the portal, I think they definitely needed to do.

2:48:54 And I, I think, you know, I think, you know, we're going to get, we're going to get those kids. We, we're just going to get some more kids, man, that want to come here and, and like you say, play with that chip on their shoulder. Hey, I've been overlooked, You know, you know, you, you got to look like a lot of those 24 kids, 23 and 24 kids and 25 kids. They don't know nothing about losing. They don't, they don't understand losing. A lot of them, a lot of them have won, been played in state championship, played in long time football games. And I always go back to the point, man, they built this thing from the ground up. This there was nothing here to build on yeah, what I think they had like 20 running backs on this on this roster and like 20 I.

2:49:38 Think it was only 14. I think it was only 14. 14, yeah. Way too fucking many. Yeah, way too many, you know, I mean, I remember watching, you know, looking like, who is this Brumster kid? I don't even what what is? I mean, they didn't have a lot. So I know, hey, this is Virginia Tech and the uniforms and saying, man, they didn't have a lot to build on. So yeah, with this year disappointing absolutely. But I just think, and I, and I told, I told, I told Dan this, yeah, we're disappointed with 24, but I think we're going to be even better in 25. And I'm, I'm just really all in on that. I think we're going to be so much better in 25 and, and, and and that'll, and that'll, that'll be like in 26. We'll be I just think this 25 class is 26 class and the better coaching in some different areas is going to help us out a lot. Well, the whole thing is you've got to constantly improve and the whole thing and, and, and if you look at the retrospective of the history of Virginia Tech is everybody always talks about, well, Frank, Frank, Frank.

2:50:37 If you look at, and I know this is 32 years ago, which it doesn't feel that way to me because I'm going to be 42 next year, 42 next year, but 92 was the biggest year and people always look what happened in 92. Frank made some big ass changes to the in the one thing and we go through and then that staff stayed together a while and then early 2000 some big changes happened and that staff stayed together a while and then basically 2012 happened and and, but by that time Frank was in his 60s, so. Yeah, and he was a legend by then. He. Was a legend he'd take. He'd won ACC, he'd won the Big East, he'd beat Miami Multiply, he'd beat Texas, he'd beat Alabama. He went to the national championship game. So you have to change and again, I go back to what we talked about damn near three hours ago because we almost three hours. Everybody looking at the left corner, Brett Pry came in and he said he gave it three years, which is legitimate what you should give a staff.

2:51:38 And he said it's not good enough. I'm going to let this guy go, this guy go and this guy go because it's not good enough. What happened in 2020 and I know your son Chris was being recruited at that time is we we did not have a good season. Maddie, you're watching games, you saw 2019. Nothing changed, right? We were sitting here. It's like this isn't good enough. Nothing fucking changed. And I don't know what would have happened if some changed. I don't, I really do not know what would have happened years ago. Bridges got burned. Yep, Jim's right. Bridges did get burned. We don't know. But somehow that team went six and six in 2021. Somehow, somehow that team went 6:00 and 6:00. But when you don't choose to make changes in anything because you talk about ROI, man, and that's right, you've got how do you do all right?

2:52:33 How do you get better? You've got to make changes because if you ain't hitting the expectations, you better start fucking letting people go. You better start doing things different. You better start firing people, you better start adjusting. And that's what happened this year, because the expectation this year was I was stupid. Maybe I said eleven wins, y'all. But Chris, how close were we to eleven wins? Y'all watch how close? Oh, everybody says, Chris, you're a moron. You said eleven wins. And I say, y'all, look at the fucking scores. Yep, we were. We weren't. Far from it. It ain't like we were sitting down here getting our asses thrashed. Now we wouldn't get, we wouldn't no, we would get, we were, we were, we were pissed because of like, oh, we make a play here, we make a play there.

2:53:15 We win this game. We win this game. Hey, we get a flag here. We get, I'm just being honest with you. There were games that yeah, we, we, we just should have won. You're somehow closer to 11 than you are to four, despite. Absolutely 6. Games and it looks like maybe this sounds silly, but it's like we lost half of our games. We. Lost. That's them. Yeah, we. Lost half our games, yeah. We didn't get beat half our games. Yeah, we we lost half our games. Yeah, we just, we, we, no, we, we did get beat by Clemson. But yeah, you're right, they did. That's only, Yeah, a whole lot more talent. But but but but but. You can't you can't give up talent and also get out coached in a game and. That that's what happened in Clemson. I mean, just being honest, you got out coached. While.

2:53:57 Giving up talent. That's a That's a hard thing. It's. Hard enough to overcome. Talent to run the ball four times. When you aren't. Getting out that that, that, that was the only, that was the only game this year that the Clemson game was the only game that made me think it was 2023. Every other game I thought we were a better football team than 23 team. Yeah, we should. I love that. Chris Yeah, anything anybody want out because as we we go on three hours here, I'm about to wrap this up because this is the state of the program and where we are right now is believe it or not, I think from where we were a year ago, we thought we were going to do big things this year. We didn't it sucked.

2:54:39 We didn't we're going to do big things this year. But we start looking back and where we were at 2020 and 2021 and 22 that long ago in every, and I just keep saying this every game this year, every game we were in it. There was no game that Brian, Curtis, Maddie, Chris, you were there for all of them. So we can't say you couldn't leave, because if you left, you'd be in trouble with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I didn't try to do that. And there were no game this year. We turned off that, said we. First half of Andy was the only time we were ever out of it. First half of Andy was the only time we were out. But what happened?

2:55:20 If you watch the second, I know goddamn lead. Yeah, we first half of Andy was the only time we looked lost all season. We looked lost. We got it back though. There were there were 12 games this year. And it wasn't like. 2022 where there was a couple games in 20/22 it was just like I'm going 2023. This team is not even competitive. We never. 2023 Louisville, 2023 Louisville, every single one of us turn that fucking game off because they fucking beat the shit out of us. Yeah, I ain't looking at this no more. I'll catch the highlights so I can do some notes and talk about it on. Tuesday night. That's true. I ain't watching this no more.

2:56:01 Because I'm going to watch this double time. That's the only. Way you're watching it. Fucking game. Double time, no commercials. That's the only. One every game we could have won. The question is, with what Brent Pride did, do we take the step in a year from tonight, a year from the night? Is it different or is it y'all you got to go? But anyways, I'm going to wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast brought to you by the Counts Family Pharmacy. Brian Sigla, that's you. I'm Curtis Wilson, our guest tonight, Chris Lester. We appreciate you always, brother, Having you on, Dan. Please tell man. Find the bourbon.

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