State of the Program

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And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner Podcast.

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Along with my partners Brian
Siegler and Jonathan Tally, I am

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Curtis Wilson.
Before we begin tonight, I'm

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going to just go ahead and make
this announcement.

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If this is the first time you've
ever tuned in to stay of the

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program, you need to go ahead
and turn it off because what's

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about to take place over the
next few hours here is something

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a first timer should never
listen to in the house tonight

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for the state of the program,
our sponsor, Lord Doctor Jeremy

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Counts themselves.
I'm Jeremy.

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Yay, I'm on.
South Main Street.

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I don't know if he's working
tomorrow.

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I'm guessing not.
I am.

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Unfortunately, but it's all
right, it's three hours.

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I'll leave, OK.
Also joining us, pops

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extraordinaire and a true friend
of the program.

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He is here every week in the
comments.

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Father of one Mr. Brody.
Can't call him Brody because

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Mama, Mama go here and come beat
my ass.

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Chris Lester, how you doing
tonight?

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What's going on fellas?
How y'all doing tonight?

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Living the dream, buddy Buddy
good and as always, our great

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friend.
A year ago tonight, A year ago

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today, me and Dan were sitting,
getting like Chris was too,

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excuse me, getting absolutely
hammered in a rainstorm at the

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Military Bowl, sipping on
bourbon.

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Have a good time from the tails
of the Terradon, Dan.

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Pulse, Daniel.
How you doing guys?

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What's?
Up brother buddy, you doing?

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The stinky stinky himself.
Dan Stinky, Stinky, stinky.

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Stinky.
Oh yeah, it's going to be.

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A good one.
Don't know if I can beat them

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allegations but.
All righty.

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Also as always, I am joined by
my esteemed colleague, first of

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all, Miss Jonathan Talley, who
is sitting above a casino right

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now.
So if at any point in time he

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goes he going gambling y'all I
might need?

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To go bet on some, I might need
to go bet on some of these

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games, man.
I'm sitting here watching this

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Washington State Syracuse game.
Just chilling, man, enjoying

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time with my guys.
My wife is downstairs.

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Hopefully she's winning and not
losing.

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It's going to be a good night.
That's all I can say.

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Maybe we get a committed to
while we're on here.

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Oh, that.
'D be.

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That'd be beautiful.
I I would love another offensive

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lineman to.
Jump in the boat.

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Or two or two, but at least one.
Give me one, one we.

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Know OK.
We'll do one at a time.

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I'm OK with that.
I don't need 5 but OK.

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Mary Hall.
Mary Hall.

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We know we need as many as we
can get, baby.

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OK.
How are you tonight, buddy?

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How's life?
I got a little gin and tonic in

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my hand here.
It was a good Christmas we had.

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We had some good times.
We have family over.

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I know Curtis is having a good
time because he the PS5 finally

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has made the way into the.
Oh, man, household.

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So congratulations.
Congratulations, hey.

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Santa Claus Rocket PS 5 Santa
Claus.

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Came through, huh?
He bought CFB, I've been on

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that.
We got Madden.

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The brand new Madden came out,
we got the show, we got NBA2K.

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It has been a fun time since
Christmas Day.

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Yes, Sir.
I'm going to tell you what some

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of the controls like people were
telling me about the RPOS.

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I'm going to tell you Curtis,
going to be playing on freshman

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for about the next 6 to 8 weeks
before I get a feel of it.

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Curtis.
It is balls apparently.

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Curtis.
How hard say that I'm smart.

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I'm smart because if you go in
there and you try to go to

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Heisman or All American and you
get your shit ate up, that ain't

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no fun.
The game's got to be fun first.

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How many games have you played?
And this, this is completely

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off.
How many games have you ever

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played, started off on the hard
level, get your ass ripped, and

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you just say fuck that game.
Like I'm never playing that game

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again.
I do not like it.

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And you're sitting there like,
dude, you tried it on the

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hardest mode.
Like it's brand new.

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Depending on your gaming level,
because I'm sure there are a

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couple guys in here that could
take them and beat the ass on

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the hardest level at the gate.
But I haven't played a true

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PlayStation game in years, so
that's me.

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Yeah, Curtis, what is it like?
Like having a PlayStation that

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you've got to share with
children?

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Like how hard do you have to hit
them to get the controller back?

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I am.
I am a very, very, I'm a

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delegate here.
You get 45 minutes, Go, go play.

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I don't care what you play.
Go play.

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You get 45 minutes for the play.
Daddy gets 3 hours.

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So Curtis.
So Curtis says 3.

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Time.
I see where screen time comes

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from now.
Oh, you've had your 15 minutes

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for the day so.
Get off, get off.

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Get the fuck out of here.
Exactly.

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It's his man cave.
We've.

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Got to go buy his baby we got to
go buy these babies APS 5 that's

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going to be one of my one of my
one of my good deeds for the

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year instead of PS5 for curse's
kids yeah man I'm.

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The man cave one in the
playroom.

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Right.
Yeah, for the babies, man.

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Let the babies go.
Get that work in man.

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That we we let them have it.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm

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not the a hole guy.
I let them play with it and

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they've got the Switch stuff so.
They.

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Go to bed early.
So OK, I'll sit here and play

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all I want to.
So yeah, but it's been a lot of

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fun, so.
If you want your if you want

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your kids to love you, Curtis,
go buy Spider Man 2.

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Oh yeah, you bought it.
Oh, man, you bought.

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Dude, you.
Bought that one of the best

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games and that's a great game to
play with your kids.

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I mean, it's it's challenging
enough where adults like it, but

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it's, you know, PG enough for
kids are into it, but it's a

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it's a great game.
Me and my son played it together

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and beat it together.
Well, he beat it and I watched

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most of the time.
But it's just got a lot of stuff

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in it.
You, you'll, you'll enjoy that

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all right.
All right, I'll, I'll, I'll make

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a note that I mean, plus they
got some gift cards from family

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like $25 PlayStation.
So we might be going to target

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tomorrow and like I've been
recommending to the Spider Man

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tale, get to.
Don't let them use it on

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Fortnite skins, you make them by
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That's right.
They will waste it on Fortnite

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skins.
Don't let them listen.

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Yes, they do Forget that.
You're not allowed to play the

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PlayStation Five if you do this.
You have to go do something all.

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Right.
Well, this is the state of the

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program episode and obviously a
lot happened 365 days from the

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last time we talked to now.
And obviously we we text with

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Chris, we messaged Chris, Chris
is watching every week.

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We talked with Jeremy, we talked
with Diane.

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So I'm sitting here and I want
to bring this up.

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First, let's talk about the seat
because we that's why we're

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here.
That's what made us talk.

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So it's fucking deja vu all over
again.

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The comments.
Are already hitting man.

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But it's a, it's a, it's a
different feeling this year.

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Last year we were six and six.
This year we're six and six.

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Last year we were happy.
A lot of lot of liquor flowing

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last year, a lot of very
optimistic people.

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But when you go six and six
after going six and six, I mean

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y'all.
Damn good it.

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Don't matter, we're going to be
back here.

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Same thing.
We're already feeding ourselves.

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Hop all fucking ready.
We do this every year.

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It's the same fucking perpetual
circle jerk every year where we

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get hopped up and we're going to
get hopped up because we're fans

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and we will grab whatever we
need to and we will circle jerk

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ourselves till we're raw and
bleeding or we develop calluses

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all over our.
Dick our Dicks are going to look

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like.
Our Dicks will.

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Look like by the.
Time we're done.

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Not not mine, but I understand
what you're saying.

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I'm feeling it, I think.
I think Hobbit.

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Yeah, we were.
Hobbit feet.

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Hey, Kev.
Hey Kev.

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Oh, Kevin asked me.
Kevin asked me.

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I'm I'm sipping on Terra Manus
tonight, man, a little Terra

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Manus and I think it's a lemon,
Lemon lemonade.

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That's what I got.
Strawberry lemonade one don't

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simply simply lemonade drinks.
He hit me on the side and asked

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me what I was drinking.
But I'm drinking at Teramanos.

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But I don't think it's going to
be the same because I think last

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year we walked in here at 6:00
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We were healthy, we were
optimistic.

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We felt great about the guys who
went.

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We didn't even care about the
guys we're leaving in the

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portal.
We were just happy we had our

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guys back.
I think the person we did not

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expect to show up and bug us
this year for our football team

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was injuries.
We didn't expect.

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We, we, we thought we was
playing on Madden rookie, you

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know, CFB rookie where nobody
got tired and nobody got injured

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and we didn't know.
We didn't expect that to happen.

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We thought we were playing on
Curtis level, but they said they

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were playing on my level.
That's right.

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We plan on, we plan on all, all
Heisman, Heisman mode this year.

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And that's what that's what got
us.

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That's what definitely got us
this year.

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But I'm not, I'm, I'm yeah, I'm,
I'm disappointed.

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But I think, you know, I'm just
glad we, we did something to

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start a tradition by getting
back to a bowl back-to-back.

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We hadn't done that in years.
And that's what, that's what I

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was, I was most excited about.
We got back to a bowl.

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So those kids can understand
that and they can start a

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tradition.
You know, we're, we're, we're

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facing a team.
I think, I think it's Minnesota.

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I think they've had like 2526
years of consecutive bowl

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appearances.
And that's, I know for

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everybody, like, oh, well, you
were 66.

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But those kids every year can
expect to go play a bowl.

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And that's what I want us to be
able to do a little bit higher

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bowl.
But as long as we get to a bowl,

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that's all that matters.
And there was a.

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Time not long ago where we were
just straight up like I was

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getting sick of going to the
Orange Bowl.

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I was just like, this is lame.
Let's go to a different bowl

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game.
And I mean, we were rolling

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then.
Well, that was back when the

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computer picked the best two
teams in the nation.

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You got to understand.
And I still think I'm in college

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half the time, so it's like, to
me, it's not that long ago.

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It's not how old you are, it's
how old you feel, man.

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How old you feel?
How you?

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Feel 20. 1.
I remember last year at the

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Military Bowl, I remember being
like, this is the happiest I've

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ever been to be 6:00 and 6:00.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, this year is not that.
This year is not.

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That saddest you've ever been?
It's not, it's not the saddest.

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I've been like, there's not
some.

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Uglier.
Six and sixes, but it's we were.

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This close, it was one of four
games we were so close.

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Man, I was I was feeling pretty
bad at at the start of the

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portal, like it was it was
looking a little rough, but then

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it always does I guess.
But then like primate, the

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necessary firings, at least some
of them, I don't know, I think.

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At least.
Some of it the starting with

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Vanderbilt this year, it was
kind of like, I just remember

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walking out of there being like,
fuck, like what the hell?

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And then like there were things
like Crook refused to fix the

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like change the line, like
Parker got our quarterback hurt

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multiple times.
The staff get me.

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Started.
The staff let our quarterback

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take the bullets all year.
Like, instead of just coming out

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and saying, hey, like this man,
like Cairn Jones is severely

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injured.
Like give him like, I think it

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would have done wonders for him
if they would have came out and

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like, hey, you know what?
This is actually the situation

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instead of people being like,
like creating their own

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narratives.
I mean, some of that would have

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happened anyway, but that's just
Twitter.

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But like for the most part, they
didn't do him any favors by not

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like, like somebody should have
spoke up.

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In my opinion.
We looked out of shape the whole

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time.
Tally was on that early.

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A couple people were on that
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They, they got rid of between,
between the refuse, between the

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no adjustments coming out of the
first half into the second-half,

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which is crazy because when you
get 15 minutes to, to, to figure

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shit out, like there should be
some sort of change.

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And not only did they not
adjust, but they weren't, they

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weren't in shape enough to, or
they were gassed at the end of

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games and we ended up just
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And it was just, it wasn't good.
But there's been some positive

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in the last couple days, but
I'll definitely wait and see

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this offseason.
Yeah, I I agree with you, Dan.

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I think one of the biggest
things is, you know, our

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offensive line really struggled
early and that got our

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quarterback hurt and he was just
taking shots left and right.

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He got his foot stepped on and
you know we had to bring that

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in, but we were not.
Performing in the.

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Second-half his own player that
we were not performing in the

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second-half and you could say,
OK, it adjustments out of shape.

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But I mean, we've got to be
ready for that.

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We've got to be able to not only
go in and change up what we're

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doing.
We can't just be like, well,

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this has been working, let's go
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They're not going to make it.
Just we got to anticipate them

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anticipating our changes.
We got to go next level.

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We got to play 5D chess.
This is big boy ball.

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You know, we don't fuck around.
And I, I really think that's

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what it comes down to.
I think it comes down to

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second-half adjustments because
there are games like the BC game

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where I was first half, I was
like, we got this, like this is

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not that big of a deal.
And it was just like gone

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because we weren't making
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And that has to be done.
And that's why I think this

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offseason is a little different
than a lot that we've seen

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because Pry actually did what he
should do and made coaching

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changes.
And that is a really, really

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positive thing for me because
for the longest this time, we

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had, you know, Frank was very
attached to his staff, but, you

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know, they won.
So that was OK, right, To a

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certain extent.
And then Foo was too attached to

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his fucking staff, and we
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And the fact that we're making
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encouraging me.
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And I and I, we talked about
this a lot and you know, I've

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said this, we said it a little
bit last year, we said it this

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year.
I think sometimes, especially on

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defense, it's the mindset from
the coaches was a little too

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much.
We do, we do, and at some point

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you got to look at what the
other team doesn't do well and

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exploit that or look at what
they're trying to take away from

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you and do something different.
You can't always just do what

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you do because at some point
other teams are going to have

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better players or they're going
to have better coaching.

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You've got to do your fucking
job in those moments.

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But sometimes you got but you
got to say, Brian, and some of

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that is when there's a time to
go make a play, go make a play.

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You know, you turn around.
The third quarter was high

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Achilles heels all year.
And then there were times in the

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third quarter you can go make a
play like, you know, you can

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have a quarterback dead to
rights on 3rd and seven and just

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second and then just go ahead
and change the momentum of a 7

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seven ball game and maybe do
that.

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Or maybe you can be in a third
and seven when you're up 21 to

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three and somebody's raggedy ass
stadium and then not cheat on a,

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you know, try to cheat on a play
and let a guy make a career day

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on your ass.
So I mean, it's just certain

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things.
You know, we going to blame the

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defense for certain stuff, but
there are certain things that

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certain people do at certain
times which, you know, allowing

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guys to have career days on
their ass in three games that

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you lost.
So I mean, you know, I'm just

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saying, you know, we just go
ahead and get it out there and

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open.
You're up 20.

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You know, it's 77 call.
You know, Mark calls a perfect

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blitz up, put a man on the
ground, Cam board scrambling out

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the back field.
You know, in the fourth quarter

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you make a tackle, you end the
play, get a man on the ground.

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You know, don't cheat on the 3rd
3010, keep everything in front

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of you.
You're already up 21 to three.

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Get a man to the ground, do what
you're supposed to do.

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So I mean, you know, we lost
games like my man just said by

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combined 34 point.
You know, Stephen said 34 points

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and you know, where the
difference between arguing

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should we be playing in the
playoffs or and all these people

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exiting or some or some people
exiting not not all them because

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best of luck to all those kids,
men who try to find a spot to go

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play in certain place.
But, you know, we there were

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enough games we were in that,
yeah, some things need to be

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changed.
But I just don't believe Mark

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had all the pieces for his
defense to do what he needs to

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do.
He's never had.

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Well, that's what but but but.
But Chris, that's on him.

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He'd been here for three
seasons.

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It is.
He's got to go recruit the

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pieces that he wants.
Well, I mean, we got the portal

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now like you can go and you can
like get what I'm saying Dome

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products and bring them in.
But you did, but you know, you

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flew a helicopter 15 minutes
down the road to go get your

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kids.
You just didn't have another guy

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from another whole area
recruited kid right out of from

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under your under your face.
That's that's my thing.

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If you don't, if you don't have
that kid leave to go to Georgia.

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You got a mic, you can play with
Keller.

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Bring him in because that kid
going to play, he going to play

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what in a couple more days?
He going to get snapped to

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Georgia.
He should be getting snapped to

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your he should be.
He should be wearing maroon.

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He shouldn't be wearing red and
black, But that's a whole other

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different thing.
So, you know, I, I have my

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feelings about it.
I feel like, yeah, things had

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somebody had to fall on that
sword.

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They they decided the decision
they had.

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I think of the of the three
guys, I only really think one

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guy had all the pieces that he
that he had to be able to do it.

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I think, you know, love deeds,
my guy, like, like Coach Crook,

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you get an upgrade.
You get an upgrade with Coach

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Moore.
I mean Fergus, Fergus, an

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amazing strength and
conditioning coach.

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You know, he's got histories of
doing it, so that's a great

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thing.
I just believe Marv never got

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his pieces.
He needed a middle linebacker.

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He he, he was like peanut
butter, no Jelly.

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You know, he turned around.
He got a great defensive line,

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good rotation.
And I'm talking when Phil Darius

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was here the year before, you
had Pollard, Phil Darius, APR

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was coming on, Cole Nelson, guys
were playing, but you never had

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your middle linebacker.
You turn around and your safety

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play was subpar this year.
So like I said, you got to be

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strong up the middle.
Any defense, you got to be

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strong up the middle and we
weren't.

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This is what here.
This is what I want to say to

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Chris about that.
Because of what Pride did,

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though, because of what Pride
did, letting him go, it says I

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want to win.
I give a shit about this place,

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and if you don't hold the
standard here, I'm going to move

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on from you.
He'd known Chris Marr since he

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was like 18 years old, that was.
Awesome.

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I mean, that was part of shit,
but when he did that, I texted

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tally and I texted Brian.
That means he's serious because

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it's not like, oh, I'm going to
I'm going to let Cheetah go.

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Well, I'm going to let this
person move out.

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It's like, no, you literally set
your heir apparent and said

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you're not doing a good enough
job.

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You got to go.
And that said it to me.

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That spoke volumes of who he let
go.

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Tally, I know you're not going.
You're going to hate me saying

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this, but it's you put it back
up there, Brian, The the the 10

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points or 34 points, y'all, we
can say this is a fucking six

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and six season.
We're pissed, we're mad.

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We should have done better.
But believe it or not, in my

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opinion, and I know Tally might
come in and curse me out, we

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have progress this year, y'all.
We were in every fudging game

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from the first snap of
Vanderbilt to the last snap, we

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were.
We didn't get pummeled multiple

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times like we did in 2023.
Jeremy, said Fudgeon.

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Fudgeon.
The problem that I deal with all

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year is it didn't matter.
It didn't matter who falls on

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the sword for me, you know what
I'm saying?

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Because you still got the same
head coach.

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The head coach is the one who
has to get the ship righted if

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he in his opinion, if that's
what he's doing.

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First of all, I online coach was
fucking sorry.

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I'm going to tell you right now.
I tried to give him a chance and

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once I seen the things he was
doing in the rotation, it was

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fucking dumb.
Then there's all kind of people

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out there saying he didn't have
a house there.

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He was doing stuff on Zoom calls
and shit like that.

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That's fucking dumb.
If you giving people money, make

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them earn their money.
When I go to work, I'm in sales.

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If I don't sell, I don't eat.
And guess what they're going to

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do?
They're going to find my black

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ass if I don't sell.
So if you don't do your job,

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you're supposed to be fired.
I understand that, but I asked a

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question on Twitter X whatever
you want to call it, point of I

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don't know what they call it
nowadays and I just say it.

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All of the above.
Everybody's, everybody's putting

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the blame on Chris Mars.
Marv, Yes, he didn't do his job.

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He deserved to go perfect again.
I'm still looking at that

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offensive coordinator that got
every piece that he wanted back.

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We paid the offense so much
money to be there, and what did

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we get?
Oh, well, they got hurt.

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Well, you should have had a
better fucking offensive line.

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Oh, well, this person got this.
Well, you should have nurse the

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injuries better.
It's a lot of stuff that goes

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into it.
But we still got the head coach.

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So my thing is, I'm not saying
the head coach is supposed to be

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5, but I can't just go and say,
well, he did this and he's

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serious about winning.
Because when I look at the

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record, it shows the head
coach's record.

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They don't say head coach's
record with Chris Marv as his,

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as his defensive coordinator.
It shows Brent Price record.

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Is this his close game record is
one in fucking 15 or whatever it

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is.
At some point you got to say

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even when he was there, it's
it's one in 12 or something like

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that.
But my thing is, what would it

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show me if you serious?
If you said, hey man, you ain't

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doing a good job.
I'm going to have to take over.

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I'll fire him during the year.
I don't care what you do.

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That's when I would have said,
OK, you're serious.

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I think what this shows me is
that that seat is not hot and

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that noises got loud.
They pay attention to Twitter.

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They pay attention to fans.
They know what people say.

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They know what the big donors
are saying.

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Hey man, you got to fucking win.
You want us to come out and

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support you doing a good job of
kissing babies and and shaking

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hands, but we don't give a fuck
about that.

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At the end of the day, you got
to put some wins together.

445
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,560
So what are we going to do?
What?

446
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,240
What's the next step?
You know what I'm saying?

447
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,480
Now the online hire, which is I
think a good one.

448
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,760
I think it's a good hire.
When's the last time we had a

449
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,200
coach come in?
See, I'm not trying to take

450
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,120
over, but I'm just saying the
online coach comes in and then

451
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,720
he gets a kid that comes right
with it.

452
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Our fucking head coach came in
and didn't get kids to come with

453
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760
it.
Like that's that's a, when you

454
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520
look at a hire, a big hire,
that's a big hire.

455
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,360
You know what I'm saying?
That he's got so much

456
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,160
credibility with the kids that
are around him.

457
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,880
They're willing to put their
future in his hands at a

458
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,920
different place.
You know what I'm saying?

459
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,240
I don't know much about before I
know a little bit up, you know,

460
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,560
I did some research and things
like that, But this one kid

461
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,520
that's a pretty good offensive
lineman is saying this coach is

462
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,360
good enough for me to follow him
to a six and six team so I can

463
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,560
see where my career is going to
go.

464
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,160
That's that's that's that's.
That's a big boy.

465
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,960
Yeah, That's that's that's I
need.

466
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,960
I need I need pride to and I
like pride.

467
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,560
I mean, I know if you see this
coach, thank you for coming on

468
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,280
the show, but I got to keep it
real.

469
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,480
You never got to talk to me
again If you just go fucking

470
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,880
win.
That's all I want to do.

471
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Go fucking win.
Go do what you're supposed to

472
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,360
do.
When you got the pieces, you got

473
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,600
to know how to do it.
Stop being friendly.

474
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,560
Cut somebody out on the
sidelines, tell them ref to get

475
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,160
their fucking whistle out of
their ass and blow it when they

476
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,880
supposed to Hell, get a penalty.
Do something I need to see.

477
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,040
You can't keep losing get I I go
back to the analogy what I said.

478
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,520
If I walk in the house to my I
won't even say to my wife.

479
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,360
I use that.
I'll say to my kids.

480
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,600
If I tell my son, hey, man, I'm
going to make it to your game.

481
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,280
I'm going to try my best to make
it this time.

482
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,120
Oh, I'm sorry, man, I didn't
make it.

483
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,640
I got caught up at work.
Sooner or later that

484
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280
motherfucker's going to tell me.
Hey, man, you said you're going

485
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,520
to make it.
What's going on?

486
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,600
You got to be held accountable,
probably.

487
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,400
You can't keep going and saying
we're going to do this if we're

488
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,320
going to make it work like it's
year, it's year 3, buddy.

489
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,560
It's over it's year 4 now.
You know what I'm saying?

490
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,640
Like there's no more.
I'm trying to figure it out.

491
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,800
You fucking have figured it out
and you got to go and win.

492
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,600
You got it.
The games that you're supposed

493
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,840
to win go in.
Stop the hiding.

494
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,680
You got Kyron walking around
they.

495
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,720
Anyway, I'm gonna stop right
now.

496
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,280
We'll get on that later.
Callie brings up a really good

497
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,920
point, and I've been saying it
for years.

498
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,560
You build your offense around an
offensive line.

499
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,240
You can't get a poverty
offensive line and expect your

500
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280
skilled positions to stay
protected and do their jobs.

501
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,120
It's impossible.
We were lucky we were able to.

502
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Have the Jeremy Jeremy, remember
what you're saying, but I won't

503
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,200
Matty B is is is a cool me and
Maddie talk pretty good, but I

504
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,760
want to put that up.
I want you to put that up what

505
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,640
Matty B says right there which.
One these two tally.

506
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,800
The first one.
The first one.

507
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:50,120
I got it.
So so Matty B says look at

508
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,680
Schlee and Pop, look at Schlee
and Pop's game.

509
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Kyron isn't any good.
Same offensive coordinator,

510
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,480
totally different execution.
Schlee got fucking hurt.

511
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
What are you talking about?
Schlee got fucking knocked out

512
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720
of the game.
So what game am I watching that

513
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,680
Schlee did so good the offensive
line got him fucking pummeled as

514
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480
well.
And then Pop played against and

515
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,320
then Pop got pumped against Duke
and then he just, I don't know,

516
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,120
against a fucking sorry ass UVA.
Then hot fat ass could have got

517
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,120
out there and played against
quarterback against them.

518
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,360
I could have put Curtis Little
boys out there and we would have

519
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,040
still fucking beat UVA.
Come on.

520
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,600
That's the kind of that's the
things.

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,320
That's the things that get me
when people with fans get on

522
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,160
here and they say stupid ass
shit.

523
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,720
Maddie, you're a cool dude, but
I got to check you when you're

524
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,680
talking dumb.
You said, you said.

525
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,400
No, Maddie, it's not a cool
dude.

526
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Put his next.
Comment up, he said.

527
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,280
He said Kyrie.
Isn't.

528
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Any different look at pop and we
still fucking lost the game.

529
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,120
We still fucking.
Lost.

530
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,680
It don't matter who was playing.
We was losing and and then

531
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,240
people told me the offensive
coordinator, we scored 30

532
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,560
points.
Well, if you can score fucking

533
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,400
50 points and you score 30, you
ain't doing good.

534
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,160
I'm just saying, man, we had
people sitting on the bench that

535
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,520
could play, whether it was our
starting quarterback was hurt in

536
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,760
Vanderbilt.
I was sitting in the stands by

537
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,600
my boy Greg.
Shout out to Greg and his

538
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,360
family's dad's awesome.
I'm sitting by them and I said

539
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,200
Karen's hurt.
Y'all, y'all understand that,

540
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,920
right?
I've never seen a football

541
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,680
player of his statue go down on
his face and they said it's

542
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,320
cramps.
Well guess what?

543
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,120
His fucking ribs was hurt and
guess what?

544
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,680
Our coaches did put it back.
In the game.

545
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Back in the game.
He hurt his ankle, he hurt his

546
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,840
ribs, he hurt his shoulder, he
hurt he one time he walked out

547
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,880
of a game with a knee brace on
one leg and A and and and a boot

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,720
on the other one.
I got fans to tell me that he is

549
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
no good.
OK, man, you better know what

550
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,000
you're talking about before you
start calling these kids.

551
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Sorry.
I'm just saying the the grown

552
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,040
men that make more money than
those kids or as much money as

553
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,480
those kids, what they grown to.
I ain't saying the kids don't

554
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,320
deserve some scrutiny, but I'm
telling y'all, the coaches knew

555
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640
more stuff than what they let
y'all know.

556
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,800
They let they didn't let y'all
know a lot of stuff and some of

557
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360
those players put them bullets
for those coaches and that's

558
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,760
bullshit.
That's what I'm upset about for

559
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
this whole year.
Well, Tally, we we discussed

560
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,720
that throughout the year
numerous times.

561
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840
And what pissed you the fuck off
is you go get a six year

562
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,520
quarterback and if Kyra's hurt,
it's like you have a fucking

563
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,680
backup for a reason.
Put him in, play him.

564
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Yep, that's on you and I, and I
know.

565
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
And I love Coach Pride too.
Please come back on with us,

566
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Coach Pride.
But he.

567
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,560
He will at the same time.
But I know he will.

568
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Yeah, but.
But the whole piece that goes to

569
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,800
that is you brought him in if
Kyron's hurt and you know he's

570
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,600
banging because I know Brian
played the collegiate level,

571
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Tally played the collegiate
level.

572
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Jeremy, you played high school
ball.

573
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Y'all.
Aren't going to ever tell

574
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,840
anybody you're too fucking hurt
to play.

575
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,680
You're going to try to.
Tell anybody.

576
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,360
That.
You can't be in your hands it.

577
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Might be in your hands, it can't
be in your, it can't be in the

578
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,160
players hands.
Right, but you're.

579
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,400
Going to end up having somebody
out here like Muhammad Ali, but

580
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,200
I got older.
I used to dislocate my shoulder

581
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160
and pop it back into place and.
Keep quiet, but.

582
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,600
I but here's here's the problem
that I feel more than anything.

583
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,080
Yeah, he got he got banged at
Vanderbilt and he fought through

584
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,760
it.
The only time I only time I

585
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,920
really, I was infuriated is when
he did get hurt at Rutgers.

586
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,120
And he damn, that's that's when
he for sure got hurt and they

587
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,120
made a joke about it, which
pissed me off.

588
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,720
But there, there couldn't have
been.

589
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,360
There was not going to be a
coach prepared or anything that

590
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,120
was going to keep him from
playing against Miami.

591
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,600
And they're about the problem
because if you're going to do

592
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,880
it, if you turned around as we
watch the season go along, he

593
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,120
didn't play great against
Marshall, but he got passing.

594
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,920
He did his thing against ODU,
but when he got hurt against

595
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Rutgers, he was not going to
miss that Miami game no matter

596
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400
what.
That was his best game of the

597
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,400
season by far.
That was his best game.

598
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,960
We won.
That fucking game.

599
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,080
Well, well, yeah, but there
there lies another problem in

600
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,320
that because, you know, you
can't be running around

601
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,680
complaining in places saying
people the offense is hokey and

602
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,960
stuff like that, pun intended,
and not do your fucking job.

603
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,960
You can't lead in hey, man, just
go on with it, man.

604
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,040
You can't lead in drops, man.
You can't fucking lead in drops,

605
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200
man.
You can't and talk shit about

606
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,200
the program or have your family
talk shit about the program.

607
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680
You know, and, and that didn't
make any kind of sense.

608
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,560
But that boy is out there on one
foot.

609
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
He wasn't going to miss the
Miami game.

610
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,720
So if you, if he, if you turn
around and know he's hurt, he

611
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360
plays great in Miami, then you
go ahead and play Slee against

612
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Stanford.
You play Slee going down, down

613
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
the stretch, you know, or
whatever.

614
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Until he's a.
Couple of games until he's

615
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,480
ready, but with his foot, the
thing about the the biggest

616
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
thing about a foot injury,
depending on what it is, if it's

617
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,200
spraying, we can work through
it.

618
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,520
If it's broke, that's a longer
injury than anybody can expect,

619
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,440
especially for a mobile
quarterback.

620
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,640
His feet are so important to
what he does that Kyron is just

621
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,560
such a a great kid and a hard
worker and a guy that's going to

622
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,440
fight, man.
It's a it it, it was just to

623
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,160
watch him go and take the take
the arrows that he took, man and

624
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,000
never said nothing negative man
never.

625
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,240
And still didn't leave, still
didn't leave when he got when he

626
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,320
got his degree.
Still, still.

627
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:49,880
Yeah.
When?

628
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,880
He got his degree, man.
I love that kid, man.

629
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120
I'm real talk, man.
He, he just, he just did more,

630
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,480
you know, but but Kevin says
something to me, man.

631
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Me and him were we at TOTS and
we was drinking, you know,

632
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Virginia, Shirley Temples, man.
He gave me one statement that I

633
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,560
will always hold true, man,
People think they matter and we

634
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120
and people love the fans.
I love the fans.

635
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320
I love people like.
But sometimes, man, you got to

636
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,680
understand this thing is more
than football and that boy loves

637
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
it here.
There is not a there's not an

638
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,520
ounce of him that does not love
it here.

639
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,000
He loves Virginia Tech, he loves
hockey nation.

640
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,040
So for them, you know, to just
drag him the way they did, no

641
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,160
seeing that he was deficient, a
lot of that go a lot of that go

642
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520
to, you know, coaching.
But they wanted to let him tough

643
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,840
it out.
But they did the same thing with

644
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Wells.
They're going to give a guy the

645
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,920
ability to tough it out.
And sometimes you like y'all

646
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,120
said man, you got to protect
that kid from himself.

647
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,520
Sometimes you can't give
somebody enough rope to hang

648
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,120
themselves and put themselves in
a situation where they get

649
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,520
themselves hurt more and where
they are hurting their team,

650
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,320
unfortunately, because they
aren't the person that they can

651
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,880
be and they aren't the player
that they can be given those

652
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,040
limitations.
Now, Jeremy, I do want you to

653
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,680
weigh in.
What is the amount here?

654
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,639
How much goddamn Toradol did
they feed Chiron this year?

655
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,080
Are his kidneys OK?
Toradol is notoriously hard on

656
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
your kidneys.
You give a lot of Toradol, it's

657
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,760
going to rough him up.
But I will say he is tough and

658
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,639
he is a big guy and he can
handle it.

659
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,199
He's young.
But but Jeremy, he wasn't the

660
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,400
only one.
Yeah, Jeremy, he wasn't the only

661
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,560
one walking around there dying.
You asked Steven Gosnell, coming

662
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,960
coming off of ACL, less than
damn a year turned around.

663
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,600
He's got a broken rib and
bruised ribs diving from

664
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
footballs, giving it everything
he got, man.

665
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,080
I, I, I just don't have no
empathy for anybody saying, oh,

666
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,679
hey, this wasn't perfectly
placed or stuff like that.

667
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,280
Man, go catch the goddamn
football, man when it's thrown

668
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,960
to you.
Yeah, my entire thing is like,

669
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,800
these kids are hurt.
We got to save them from

670
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,240
themselves.
But the coaching staff, the

671
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,760
pressure they were under because
every game felt like a must win

672
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,680
game because we had such high
expectations.

673
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,760
And I think that drove a lot of
it.

674
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,280
And I put a lot of that blame on
the coaching staff squarely

675
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,120
because we've got to take care
of these guys because you're not

676
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,800
just risking, oh, you know,
you're going to aggravate an

677
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,080
injury and they're going to be
out longer.

678
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,480
You're risking their long term
health and they've got an entire

679
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,760
entire life to think of.
They're going to be carrying

680
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,760
this the rest of their life.
We've got to take care of them.

681
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Yeah.
But I think and that came to the

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,600
point where go ahead, Dan.
Go ahead, Dan.

683
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,000
But like, we're talking about
injuries, and some of these

684
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,920
injuries were created by the
offensive line.

685
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,200
Every single fucking.
Injury.

686
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Except for Jalen Stroman, every
single fucking injury was on the

687
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,680
offensive line.
It's more of an indictment on

688
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,160
Rod Crook that Matt Moore has
been here 3 days and has had

689
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,840
more movement in the portal than
he did in two portals.

690
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,280
And if he's bringing the horses?
If he's bringing.

691
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
The horses.
Maybe we can remember what

692
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,720
you're saying.
Let's talk about this because I

693
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,640
don't know what Ron.
Where is Ron Crook from?

694
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,920
Where is he from?
Is he from West?

695
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Virginia.
He's from West Virginia.

696
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,440
OK, so he out there with the
heels have eyes, people.

697
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,560
All right, Ron, this is what I
need you to go do, man.

698
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,400
I need you to go take your
pension that you got.

699
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,240
Go fishing.
Whack your meat into the water.

700
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,080
Maybe some fish will eat it.
Never sit foot again in

701
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Blacksburg.
Never, never sit foot again in

702
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Blacksburg because you did not
recruit.

703
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,520
You was there for however many
years.

704
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,480
I'll say to you, one year is
enough.

705
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,920
And you don't go get no Lyman.
You get no Lyman.

706
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,800
Man, the place where we need to
help the most, you know, black,

707
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,960
heady and then we there's.
Eggs in the water, No.

708
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,600
And we and we never and we never
seen him and we never seen him.

709
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,520
We've never seen Cunningham.
And neither.

710
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,320
One of the other you never seen.
Him Cunningham had his, I mean

711
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,280
the head of his Dick in the two
deep but like Freddy didn't even

712
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,000
sniff that.
Shit Freddy like.

713
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,160
I think Freddy.
Freddy quit.

714
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,640
I think he quit football.
That's OK.

715
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Ron Crook, you deserve you are a
war criminal.

716
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Ron Crook, you are a war
criminal.

717
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,320
For what you did in West Warren,
you got every single person on

718
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040
our fucking team hurt and you
was doing zoom meetings to coach

719
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,880
an offensive line.
You deserve to have your ass

720
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,960
whooped and probably you should
have been the one to whoop his

721
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560
ass.
That's ridiculous.

722
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,000
The office of line coach the the
office of line coach is horrible

723
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,880
and the and the strength and
condition coach is horrible.

724
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Is that crazy?
Am I crazy for?

725
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,640
Well, that's the people that got
fired.

726
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Hey, that's the people.
You are on both of those, Ally.

727
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,080
These are the people we can.
Jump on these are our wonderful

728
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,720
scapegoats that we get to have
and just like brutalize like

729
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,720
it's great.
I just don't.

730
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880
I also love the judgment's.
Issue I I didn't jump, I didn't

731
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,240
jump in and then.
Taylor's night.

732
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,240
Don't go back to Blacksburg.
We'll murder you.

733
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,600
I.
Because I just don't understand

734
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,160
it man.
I just, I just really don't

735
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,560
understand it because my
mentality, like I understand

736
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,920
they have to be professional and
I'm glad they are, but I see

737
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,120
coaches who are successful who
aren't as professional as our

738
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,080
coaches.
Like the only thing that I can

739
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,040
say about Marv, because I know
some people who kind of know

740
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Marv personally and I kind of, I
know he was trying to go through

741
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,760
the job and get it done the
right way.

742
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,320
But at the same time, like, I
need you to nut up a little bit.

743
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,440
If things ain't going right, you
got to let somebody know.

744
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Closed mouths don't get fed.
I didn't see you throwing no

745
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,480
hats on the sideline.
I need to see a motherfucker

746
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360
like Kirby Smart used to be on
that sideline when he was the

747
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,480
defensive coordinator.
Like like Will Muschamp used to

748
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,800
be like, come on, man.
Like show some kind of like that

749
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,760
cool shit got to be out the
window when you keep losing

750
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,080
games.
And then we keep talking about

751
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,600
next week we're going to get
better or next week we're going

752
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,840
to No, man, you got to fix it.
You got to nut up.

753
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:31,240
Sometimes it just pisses.
Me off when I look back over the

754
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,920
season and I've been waiting to
unload this of this show just so

755
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
I could talk about like the
bullshit that we had to go

756
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520
through and we had to see.
And again, I know they had to be

757
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,960
professional, but fuck the
professionalism when you keep

758
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,480
losing.
I fucking hate Patton Arduzzi,

759
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,920
not as a person, but just like
as a coach, but I respect the

760
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,040
hell out of him because he on
that sideline, he trying to do

761
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,280
anything he can to win anything
he can to win, cheat, shoot cags

762
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,440
on the players.
He don't care.

763
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Like I anything that they say
Darduzzi did, I'll be like,

764
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,240
yeah, that motherfucker did it.
You know what I'm saying?

765
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,240
Like if they was like he slashed
the coach's tires before we got

766
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,160
to the game, I'd be like, yeah,
he probably did that.

767
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,600
But I can look at him.
I I can look at him and tell

768
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,800
that motherfucker wants to win
the game.

769
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,960
He may not win them all, but he
wants to.

770
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Our coaches, they were just
cool.

771
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,680
There's a time and.
Trace to be even man.

772
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,960
You have the.
Time and a place to be even

773
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,720
killed.
But there's also a time.

774
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,280
And a place where you got to
light fire somebody's ass.

775
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Yeah.
Because you got players always

776
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,400
just.
Lead with that I will you know,

777
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,680
we, we, we should have did this.
We could have did this.

778
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,440
At some point you got to light a
fire under your ass, the

779
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,640
player's ass, the referee's ass.
You got to get.

780
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,320
I wanted something fashion into
this thing so.

781
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,400
You're as pissed off as the fans
feel like in that moment,

782
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,120
because the fans feel like it
sometimes.

783
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,360
Like you got to match our energy
just a little bit.

784
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,240
Yeah, as talent.
Has.

785
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Nut up or go nut in the river.
Go ahead and.

786
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,040
Certain and certain things like
certain things as.

787
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,480
Maybe the fish will come to you.
Everybody knows I love Brent

788
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Pryor.
Everybody knows I love Brent

789
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,320
Pryor, right?
But like when that shit happened

790
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200
in the season that that they
talked about on the, I don't

791
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
know where they talked about it,
but like there was that issue

792
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,800
with the offensive line amongst
each other and it ended up being

793
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,640
them versus crook.
Like you got to step like at

794
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,400
some point, probably should have
been like, I don't give a fuck.

795
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,720
Like Parker Clemens is like,
he's sitting down like we're

796
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,720
like, we're changing some shit
on this line because too many of

797
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,760
the people that we invested a
lot of money in are getting

798
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,960
fucked up.
But I I've, I've had this

799
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,240
argument over and over on
Twitter all year long.

800
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,480
Goes back to the fact of the
matter that you didn't recruit

801
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
guys when he got here.
The way Rudolph left your

802
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
system.
Fine Garrett.

803
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Garrett could play, but Chaplin
that when Chaplin got hurt

804
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,440
against ODU that affected a lot
more things than what we on the

805
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,680
outside thought about with him
being hurt and playing through

806
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480
that.
You couldn't make Garrett your

807
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,720
full time right tackle That
would have that probably would

808
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,760
have ended some some stuff.
You probably don't get Tyron

809
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,120
hurt against Rutgers if Johnny
Garrett is your full time right

810
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,280
tackle, but Taplin kept getting
hurt.

811
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,800
Right, but they benched, they
benched Chick.

812
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Why couldn't they bench Parker?
Well, because you didn't.

813
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,400
Want the right?
You didn't have another tackle.

814
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
The the issue, what he was
saying in this case is you have

815
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,040
to be smart in your in your
death chart protection because X

816
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,200
got banged and you're starting
Johnny, then you've completely

817
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,280
fucked up your rotation because
at that point.

818
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,120
It's ex.
Tablet got hurt every week.

819
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
No, he's he.
He got hurt.

820
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,960
I watched that man get carted
off and come back to the next

821
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,720
series like that man was getting
hurt.

822
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,520
Yeah, when he got when he got
hurt at O to you and you turned

823
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,760
around and you played, you know,
musical chairs then, but he kept

824
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,880
getting hurt.
So you know, that was kind of

825
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
the point.
Hey bench Parker play Johnny at

826
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,480
the right and and just ride with
it.

827
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000
You know, Leigh Ganem getting
hurt and not being that's that's

828
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,400
kind of only reason why you saw
Bob Schick, because Leigh got

829
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,520
hurt.
They were going to go through

830
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,160
the they were going to go
through the growing pains of

831
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,240
getting late to the point that
he could go.

832
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:31,040
So it, you know, not him, not
crook, not not recruiting more

833
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,720
guys or getting able to get some
other guys in the portal.

834
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,360
That was it.
You know, I was sitting there

835
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,320
earlier today whenever I was
talking about these guys from

836
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,800
West Virginia coming, I was
like, oh, well, you might lose

837
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,760
this guy.
This guy might you got to man,

838
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,240
you got to have 12 guys in that
in for a whole line.

839
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,400
You got to have 12 guys and guys
fighting.

840
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,760
Entries that don't happen.
This don't happen.

841
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Don't happen.
The people get complacent.

842
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,360
The.
Other piece we always talk about

843
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,960
on this, and Brian and Tally
always attest to it, is there

844
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,240
are some people that do not
practice well.

845
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,760
They play well, they do not
practice well.

846
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,400
And it's always that discussion
was was whoever was at right

847
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,680
tackle, whether it was
Cunningham, Johnny, or they just

848
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,040
didn't look good in practice, in
where you put some people on the

849
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
field in a game, they're
absolute animals.

850
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,800
They're the best player you've
ever seen.

851
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,840
You put them in practice,
they're thinking, you put them

852
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,000
on the field.
There's no thought.

853
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,960
It's attack.
And I think that's where we all

854
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
wanted to be at some point in
the season, like just try

855
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,520
something.
He is, he is a liability.

856
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920
He's already got people hurt.
Just try something.

857
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,120
If you try something that might
have saved your job, because it

858
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,200
might have been, you put
Cunningham out there, he starts

859
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,320
running through people.
It's like, oh, wait a second, we

860
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,640
figured something out, right?
Yeah.

861
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,880
Completely different in every
sport.

862
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,760
You see kids get in a cage in
baseball, tally your son, you

863
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,160
know this and they cream it.
You put them up there in a plate

864
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,000
live game situation, they back
out.

865
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,400
They don't know what the fuck to
do.

866
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,280
You.
Have to just let people go.

867
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,960
During the game.
We had.

868
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Let's talk about Marshall.
Game In the ODU game, there were

869
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,640
times that you could have just
said I'm going to do this the

870
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,680
whole half.
Part of coach.

871
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,320
Evaluation.
Part of coach evaluation is not

872
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,040
just saying who is my best guy
right now.

873
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,280
It's also saying and being able
to evaluate what's this guy's

874
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,440
ceiling, what is his potential,
what can he give me if he can

875
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,120
put the pieces together, and
what is it going to take for him

876
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,720
to put those pieces together.
And sometimes what it fucking

877
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,000
takes is live snaps against
opponent that you don't mind

878
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,400
hitting the fuck out of every
day.

879
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,960
Sometimes it takes.
It takes those types of.

880
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,040
Reps to get a guy right and, and
sometimes you got to understand

881
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,000
that if I want to reach my
greatest potential, I've got to

882
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
get that guy out there more
regularly.

883
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,640
Whether he's a full time
starter, whether he's a part

884
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,200
time or whatever he is, you got
to get him on the field so you

885
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,160
can realize and maximize your
potential as a group.

886
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,960
There's also weird internal.
Politics when it comes to teams

887
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,120
like there, there, there is like
there's like this weird

888
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,000
hierarchy and if you show out at
a certain way, it's it's odd.

889
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,560
Yeah, right.
You got to when you when you are

890
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,080
a losing program, hate to say it
or a mid program, you have to

891
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,280
throw that stuff out.
You have to find a way and

892
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,760
that's what they're recruiting
kids and saying.

893
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,480
That's why I was I was about to
bring this up.

894
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Glad you said that, Jeremy.
Somebody said, somebody said

895
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,800
earlier, yes, he does.
Somebody said earlier that Chris

896
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Chris was a a player parent.
I can't remember exactly what

897
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,520
the comment said, but it pretty.
Much said.

898
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Let me pull it up here in the
show.

899
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,880
Yeah, pull it up.
It's about a pawn shop owner or

900
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,640
some shit.
I don't.

901
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,800
Wrong one pawn shop owner.
He's a pawn.

902
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,280
Shop.
Hold on.

903
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,720
This right here.
There you go.

904
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,000
This is what you want to talk to
Tally?

905
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,360
That was Jr.
Yeah.

906
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,720
So he says.
He says no, that wasn't it.

907
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Not that, not that one.
It was a different one.

908
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,600
What just popped up on the
screen for me, that's it.

909
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,800
That's the one right there.
Dance of Saturday.

910
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,440
But he says Mr. Less, I work in
the pawn shop industry for

911
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,160
years.
The hardest part of making a

912
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,600
deal was something about the
sentimental value is gone now.

913
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,520
But you're a player parent.
So this well, Mr. Dance of of

914
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,320
Saturday, they let you go and
I'll let Chris talk for himself

915
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,240
because he's grown and he can't.
But I can tell you Chris's kid

916
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,920
that is at Virginia Tech was a
high level recruit that came in

917
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,960
and didn't catch a pass this
year.

918
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,480
So if his sentimental value for
his kid was that high, he would

919
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,360
have been in transfer portal.
He wouldn't be sitting here

920
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,240
talking to us.
He's talking about what he

921
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,040
seems.
As a Virginia Tech fan, I talked

922
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,120
to Chris a lot of times and his
bias toward his kid has nothing

923
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,640
to do with what we're talking
about here.

924
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,640
I don't know if you thought he
was Kyron's daddy and and you

925
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,720
said that he just black.
He ain't his daddy.

926
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,720
He's a different black dude.
I don't know what it is, but

927
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,120
seriously, I'm joking around.
But seriously, if if you look at

928
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,320
Chris's child, Chris's kid
that's on the team, young man,

929
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,240
he he could have a different
opinion about the coaching

930
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,320
styles and the coaching for
things that his kids might his

931
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,640
kid did or didn't get.
I ain't saying that he expected

932
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,720
or didn't, but I'm just saying
you got to sometimes until you

933
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:23,280
talk to that person, you don't
really know.

934
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,000
So I seen that.
And then when Jeremy said about

935
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,560
the hierarchy of football,
because I'm going to say this,

936
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Chris don't have to say it, we
had wide receivers sitting on.

937
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,240
We had wide receivers sitting on
the bench that could have made

938
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,360
plays at some of our wide
receivers that were in the game

939
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,920
couldn't.
Ally Jennings is a great, is a

940
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,280
great football player.
He's a great receiver when he's

941
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,720
healthy, but when he's hurt, he
can't it's certain things that

942
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,320
he can't do the things that he's
good at going high point in the

943
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,000
ball.
He can't do it when he's got a a

944
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,360
bomb hamstring.
We had some kids on the bench

945
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,560
that may have could have gave us
that.

946
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,480
You know, Quan Felton is a is a
big body receiver that you

947
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,440
expect to go and maybe be like a
third down receiver sometimes

948
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,360
stretch the field for you.
But he didn't have that top end

949
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,880
speed that some of the kids on
the bench had.

950
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,840
And I feel like sometimes the
coaches just stuck with what

951
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,280
they had instead of making a
change to say let me see what

952
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,840
this kid can do and what we all.
We all I know what they can do

953
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,600
and I can't get this.
I was on this show.

954
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,640
This ain't something that I'm
making up.

955
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,120
If you just now getting started
listening to BCP, go back and

956
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,560
listen to it.
I can't remember what show it

957
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,520
is.
Coach probably was on here and

958
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,240
he said, he said, I'm, I tell
the kids I'm bringing in

959
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,080
somebody to take your job.
But when you go and recruit a

960
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,520
kid and you tell them that and
you tell them that and they get

961
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,160
there and that kid is not
performing and you don't switch

962
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,520
them out, whether it's the
quarterback, the wide receiver,

963
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,800
the right tackle, the
credibility gets lost in

964
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,760
translation.
So we got to fix that.

965
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,720
I don't got to fix it.
I'm just going to watch it

966
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,040
critique the coaching staff has
to fix it.

967
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,840
So I just want to bring that not
not, you know, knocking on what

968
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,640
you're saying.
We appreciate you watching the

969
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,320
show and I'm glad you're coming.
But I wanted to hit on that a

970
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,960
little bit.
Chris, you can you can say what

971
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,600
you need to.
Yeah, and we, we like having

972
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,200
these type of discussions and
like, you know, call us out.

973
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,400
We'll we'll call you out.
That's how this thing works.

974
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Chris, I'm going to let you say
your piece here and I'm going to

975
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,440
jump in on something else that
Dad's a Saturday put in here

976
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,360
after that.
Yeah, I, I just, I guess this is

977
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,000
the hardest part for me because
we're friends and and I talked

978
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,120
to you guys, you know, we text
each other back.

979
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,160
So I have a fondness for y'all,
man.

980
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,680
You know, Jeremy took care of my
kid this year, man, you know, at

981
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,160
the drop of a hat, man.
So, you know, it's different.

982
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Yeah, I know it's different.
Dan.

983
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,720
Dan's one of the reasons that
we're here because the crib is

984
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,600
the crib.
So when people say stuff like

985
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
that, man, what?
They fail to realize that I'm a

986
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,040
complete football owner, OK, I
am the absolute.

987
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,800
I'm probably one of the nerdiest
football guys y'all will ever

988
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,280
come across.
It just so happened my kid is

989
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,320
talented.
If anybody know me, I'll name

990
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,080
everybody else's kid before I
name mine, OK?

991
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,480
I do that on a regular basis.
So my whole thing is when you

992
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,920
see certain things happening,
wasn't promised anything.

993
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,720
We dropped that kid off last
year or this year and the coach

994
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,640
before, we let him say, hey, I'm
trying to find somebody to come

995
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,880
replace you.
That's what he said.

996
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:28,760
That's one of the things he
said.

997
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,400
So a lot of those kids dealt
with that with those four guys,

998
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,720
those four guys coming back and
it was a great thing that they

999
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,640
did.
But once those guys start seeing

1000
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,720
that I'm as good or I'm at the
same level or I can be more than

1001
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:47,640
it, it got to the point where
people are looking like put him

1002
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,640
in and let him go.
You know, perfect example, we

1003
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:59,240
got a kid that left who was here
and, you know, good kid, solid

1004
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,240
family, great kid.
But sometimes you couldn't trust

1005
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,720
him to do certain things.
And so those are the things

1006
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,080
that, you know, that's when we
say it's more than football.

1007
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,240
You they got to be able to trust
you when they going to do

1008
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,520
certain things.
And so it's a lot.

1009
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,560
Ali's going, Ali's going to get
this opportunity, man.

1010
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,000
He's going to play with us
during this ball game.

1011
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,680
And I hope things work out that
he has some good film, good

1012
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,920
tape, He doesn't get injured and
he get to go pursue his football

1013
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,520
dream elsewhere.
But you know, guys will guys

1014
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,360
will want certain things to
happen.

1015
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,040
And when it didn't happen, they
got they got it was a mental

1016
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,160
block with certain stuff, man.
And I'm just glad that, you

1017
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,040
know, the guys who got over that
hurdle mentally and said, Hey,

1018
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,960
I'm going to come.
I'm going to use this time and

1019
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,120
go forward.
But man, the last thing last

1020
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,640
thing I am is, oh, I'm going to
sit up here and campaign for my

1021
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
kid to play because he got to go
do that.

1022
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,200
That's his job.
He got to go be great at his

1023
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,840
job.
They know what he can do.

1024
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,680
And that's going to be, that's
going to be, that's going to

1025
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,320
work out.
Can I give Chris credit for like

1026
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,440
3 seconds here?
Go for it.

1027
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,880
This man knew.
He knew this year, he knew

1028
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Keelan wasn't going to, he
wasn't going to go to a game and

1029
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,640
watch his son really get in the
game.

1030
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,320
He came to every game.
He went to all sorts of

1031
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,160
tailgates around the community,
especially mine, because he

1032
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,720
knows if he needs the love, he
needs the bourbon, he needs the

1033
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:29,120
cigar.
He's got the cigars.

1034
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,200
Him and Big James Clark.
They're coming to the the

1035
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,280
Bourbon Goblers tailgate shout
out, Nate, Steven, whatever.

1036
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,960
But like, he knew like he came
because he loved what was going

1037
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:41,440
on.
He loved.

1038
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,000
Folks, I'm not.
Like watching the Hokies.

1039
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,000
Like.
Hold up Dan, hold up Dan.

1040
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,840
I'm not soft on criticizing
somebody, kid.

1041
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,360
I know these folks families.
I know these folks families.

1042
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,320
It ain't this ain't this like
this is my whole family.

1043
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,840
So I'm not going to cut.
Hey, if you sitting and you see

1044
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,120
somebody doing something, I
still got to go see that folks

1045
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,560
family.
You know what I'm saying

1046
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,480
criticizing him doesn't doesn't
make it to the point that I'm

1047
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,760
soft on him.
I'm just saying he know what he

1048
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,880
got to work on.
I ain't got to make him work on

1049
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,080
it.
He know what he got to work on.

1050
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,880
This this thing for football is
for a period of time and it's

1051
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,000
it's a you got so many snaps, so
many times you're going to get

1052
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,360
to play and there's going to
come a time where you're not

1053
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,880
going to be play no more.
My critiquing him about what he

1054
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,560
is is sitting there saying, Oh,
my kids better.

1055
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Oh my, my wife has got on me for
years for calling kids.

1056
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Sorry.
At games.

1057
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,120
My wife, brother, you, you have
no idea how many I was.

1058
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,120
Like she's like, you need to
sit.

1059
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,400
Down that's a reflection on
Keith he suck I can't be doing

1060
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,760
that to folks kids.
You can't do that and sit in the

1061
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,640
stand with them folks, kid, if
their kids parents are sitting

1062
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,320
right there, that's stupid,
that's ignorant and that's

1063
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,720
that's not intelligent to do to
people, man no, it's.

1064
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Not this.
Is wrong bro.

1065
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,960
So I want to tell Dad.
Can I say something real quick,

1066
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Chris?
I don't tell.

1067
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,720
Dad's a Saturday.
Me and Brian and Tally got to

1068
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,280
sit in that section last year.
You remember that, Game Boys?

1069
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,280
Oh, yeah, You remember.
Yeah, They grew up.

1070
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,400
That was a.
That was a true.

1071
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,040
Game and I remember we've been
up.

1072
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,760
To y'all.
Fans, y'all, they go to kids,

1073
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,360
all the kids families around.
US parents Rough.

1074
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,040
And it's like it's if that's
being respectful, you can,

1075
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,320
that's being respectful.
Because Chris, I know for you,

1076
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,880
how many times did you have to
walk up the steps going to the

1077
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,680
bathroom and just say something
real bad?

1078
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,920
Come back 5.
Hours later, I was my, my, my

1079
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,080
lips bled every daggone time
because I don't know whose

1080
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
family was around me, man.
First game of the season, man.

1081
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,160
I was like, yo, get such and
such out.

1082
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,720
I got Johnny Garrett's family
right on my daggone shoulder.

1083
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,240
They like, yeah, they sitting
there, they just shaking their

1084
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,600
head, you know, I got Montanus
Cunningham's family sitting

1085
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,080
right next to me, You know what
I'm saying?

1086
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,640
And I got to sit there and be
like, I can't say certain stuff.

1087
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,080
So I'm like, hey, it is.
What?

1088
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Yeah, that ain't that, ain't
that, ain't we all being soft on

1089
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,040
criticizing kids that caught
being smart, people who hide

1090
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,800
behind that people who hide
behind like I told people and I

1091
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,280
ain't saying like that's a
Saturday.

1092
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,480
I, I, he's, he's been around for
a while.

1093
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,320
We've talked on on Twitter a
couple of times.

1094
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,360
But again, I don't know y'all, I
don't know what y'all fucking

1095
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,280
look like.
Everybody knows what I look

1096
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,080
like.
The shit that I say.

1097
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,000
I'm going to stand 10 toes
beside it every time I'm going

1098
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,280
to get on here.
I'm going to show my face and

1099
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,080
whatever come behind it, going
to come behind it.

1100
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,720
However I feel about a coach,
however I feel about a player.

1101
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,320
Y'all say shit and you hide
behind burners.

1102
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,520
That's why you feel comfortable
to say it.

1103
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,720
If you feel like you can do it,
say some of the stuff you can

1104
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,640
say.
Say it in front of them parents

1105
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,520
say it in front of them kids and
you I promise you these when you

1106
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,160
talking kids, these ain't no
kids.

1107
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,840
These is men.
These are some grown big ass

1108
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,880
people and and I'm telling you
and the Mamas be worse than the

1109
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,120
dad is like I think I can handle
a man like a dad.

1110
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Like I'm sitting in the stands
and I'm listening at some of the

1111
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,400
moms talk and seeing some of the
moms reacting.

1112
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,640
I'm like man, I definitely don't
want to be on her bad side.

1113
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,680
You know what I'm saying?
Talk about her bad in her cub.

1114
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,720
I have.
Sat in the I have sat in the

1115
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,240
parents section a couple times
and I remember Chamari Connor's

1116
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,680
parents and Tisdale's parents
going crazy on their kids like

1117
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,160
it's they, they, they let it
fly.

1118
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,520
Yeah, they let it.
Go and I think I think the other

1119
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,800
thing to think about like you
know, it was talking about like,

1120
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,480
you know, add nuance to it and
like players, you know players

1121
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,040
parents are going to be solved
on criticize play.

1122
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,760
No, they won't.
No, they will not.

1123
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,360
They won't that's.
Somebody who?

1124
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,720
I'll tell you.
What else?

1125
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,480
I, I, I play collegiate
football.

1126
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,320
I know what the process is
about.

1127
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,600
I know what looks good.
I know what doesn't.

1128
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,280
I'm going to say it.
I still sympathize with what

1129
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,520
those players are going through
and how fucking tough what

1130
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,440
they're doing is.
Yes, Sir.

1131
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,760
But at the end of the day, I
like the reason we do this was

1132
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,040
because we want to try to get
better and get to where we want

1133
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,440
to be.
And this is the thing, and this

1134
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,640
is the thing too as well, Brian,
just to throw something else in

1135
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,600
now because, you know, being
playing sports growing up long

1136
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,240
removed.
I'm, I'm, I'm a fan now, but my

1137
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,400
son, my son plays basketball,
baseball and football.

1138
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,040
So I'm watching, I'm watching
him play, but like his baseball

1139
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,760
team, we'll just go that he
plays travel baseball.

1140
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,000
That's the sport that he plays
the most stuff.

1141
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,880
And I've been with these parents
for probably six to seven years

1142
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,200
on most of the key with most of
the kids.

1143
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,800
If anybody follows me on like
Facebook or or TikTok and stuff,

1144
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,320
you'll see I'm interviewing kids
and cutting up with them and

1145
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,480
stuff like that.
But I don't watch these kids

1146
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,400
grow up.
So when we had a baseball and

1147
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,760
I'm very I'm I'm that parent,
that's if the other team does

1148
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,120
some good, I'm going to I'm
going to say, hey, especially in

1149
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,360
baseball, if the other team does
something good, I'm going to

1150
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,920
say, hey, good hustle, man.
You know, they 14, you know,

1151
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,040
Hey, that's great play.
Good hit, better, better

1152
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,560
defense, great, great play.
But there will be some parents

1153
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,200
on the team that'll say, hey,
can you say something to my son

1154
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,080
because my voice is louder than
theirs.

1155
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,840
Hey, will you yell at him and
tell him this or he listens to

1156
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,840
you?
Will you say this?

1157
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Because if I said he's going to
get mad.

1158
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,160
So these parents aren't soft on
the kids, people who are soft on

1159
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,600
their kids coach kids who not go
to the next level.

1160
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Most of these parents and most
of these players that are at

1161
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,960
Virginia Tech, which is a big
time school, whether y'all

1162
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,520
believe it or not, they have
watched these kids grow up and

1163
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,360
go through a lot of football.
So they're not just on that

1164
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,280
saying we're the best and my
kids should be doing this or, or

1165
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,720
they're going to critique
coaches when they're not making

1166
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,880
changes.
But when they kids get in and

1167
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,360
they ain't doing something, they
probably going to say it.

1168
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,040
I'm going to say, I'm going to
say I sit beside Aiden Green's

1169
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,360
daddy and I would have never
knew that was his daddy.

1170
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,160
I'm going to, I mean, I I would
have never knew that was his

1171
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,800
pops.
And I was like, hey, man, put

1172
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,560
this motherfucker in.
What are y'all doing?

1173
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,040
And his dad never said nothing.
And then they put him in and he

1174
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,120
did something wrong.
I think he may have missed a

1175
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,560
block or something.
This was last year.

1176
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,240
And he said they not going to
put you in the game unless you

1177
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,440
do this right.
That's what he said.

1178
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,120
That's what his dad said.
You one opportunity to go in and

1179
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,520
you mess up.
They're not going to put you

1180
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,600
back in the game.
So I'm like, I'm glad I

1181
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,560
understood that bad because I
didn't know that was his daddy,

1182
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,920
you know what I'm saying?
But these parents are, I mean,

1183
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,520
there are some parents just
probably soft on their kids.

1184
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,040
But more than likely when you
have a high level athlete, the

1185
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,160
hardest critique is going to be
their parents.

1186
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,160
Yes.
Yeah, that the hardest critique

1187
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,840
is going to be the parents.
I've got two things to say on

1188
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,600
that number one tally.
You just summed up my first

1189
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,000
point.
Usually parents are the hardest

1190
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,560
and the ones to criticize.
I know everyone who came from

1191
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,720
families that had athletes.
Your biggest critic was your

1192
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,120
parents, and it wasn't because
they were coming down under you

1193
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,600
being they want you to do better
and they're always going to be

1194
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,320
the first ones to be like, what
are you doing?

1195
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,920
You've got to be out there.
You got to do this.

1196
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,160
That's that was always my
experience.

1197
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,280
That's how my family did it.
Second, I'm not going to knock

1198
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,160
anyone on like running a burner
account and saying whatever they

1199
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,080
need want to, but.
Shut the fuck up.

1200
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,400
About those of us who are
actually out here saying shit, I

1201
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,640
get fucking death threats.
I've had actual retaliation

1202
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,200
against my business in numerous
ways, and not just from

1203
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,680
individuals, from gigantic
fucking corporations with the

1204
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,160
wealth of fucking nations.
They come at me all the time for

1205
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,760
fucking shit I do.
So shut the fuck up.

1206
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:38,920
God, I love it.
I love.

1207
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,240
You but hey, but but real talk
if if we going back to it.

1208
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,680
So if we're looking at you know,
because we're talking about the

1209
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,000
breath of the season and now
you're trying to take the show

1210
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,440
over.
If you turned around and you

1211
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,400
knew Kyron was hurt at Rutgers,
right?

1212
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,040
And knowing full well he was
going to play against Miami, I,

1213
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,760
I, I, I told him to Tally.
I said, I told Tally.

1214
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,400
I said it didn't matter what he
could have been.

1215
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,200
He could have been he could have
had a broke foot.

1216
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,920
He didn't make a difference.
He was going to play because

1217
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,720
that's bragging rights at the
house and he played his behind

1218
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,080
off.
He did if you if you go ahead

1219
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,400
and put him down against
Stanford.

1220
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,040
In Boston College.
And Boston College.

1221
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,560
In Boston, three weeks healthy.
OK.

1222
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:34,520
And then come back and play Slee
behind the same offensive line

1223
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,880
because they ain't like he got
an improvement offensive line

1224
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,680
play.
It was the same offensive line,

1225
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,720
you know.
Yeah, I mean.

1226
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:43,320
You know it.
I.

1227
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,040
Mean not just Duke, man.
Like I said, even in the

1228
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,520
Syracuse game, you know, we
stopped.

1229
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,520
We stopped throwing the ball
down the field, but I think it

1230
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,400
was like in the second quarter
when one of the one of the

1231
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,560
Syracuse VBS jumped the route
and I think Kony had to did the

1232
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,920
wheel route up up the up the
sideline.

1233
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,240
If he waits a second and let
Kony clear, we probably blow

1234
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,520
them out.
And, but, but other people

1235
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,680
trying to get picks and trying
to play crazy and decide to go

1236
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:19,800
to LSU and, and stuff like that
end up causing us the game, you

1237
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,800
know, shit.
But it's.

1238
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,960
Teramanos.
Not naming names or nothing.

1239
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,320
I mean, the Teramanos, man,
blame it on the Teramanos.

1240
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,240
But my thing is, if you do that,
how does the season look?

1241
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,480
And then you got this.
This groundswell of all the

1242
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,760
fools is old, Pop is better,
Slee is better, all this, but

1243
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,000
this guy is hurt.
How do we look at it right now?

1244
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,840
If you think about it, because
we probably went out.

1245
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:50,440
We probably went out.
We we probably win the same.

1246
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,920
We win the games we won't Kyron.
And the question is the Syracuse

1247
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,320
game that comes up.
I mean, that game was a dub that

1248
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,600
game.
Talk about irritating moments of

1249
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,800
the season.
That was the more so you win

1250
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,360
those three games.
I know Robert.

1251
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,400
You are waking him up, Jeremy,
you know.

1252
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,040
Yeah.
Those three games.

1253
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,040
I'm a sweet, innocent Jeremy.
The the bigger thing is you go

1254
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:20,120
into Syracuse and this is crazy
as shit to say.

1255
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,000
You're 5:00 and 3:00, but you
have a chance to run the table

1256
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,960
and play in early December.
As.

1257
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,840
Crazy as that sounds, November
2nd, we still, after what

1258
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,920
happened to Miami down the road,
we held our own.

1259
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,600
We had we controlled our own
destiny of giving you the ACC

1260
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,560
Championship.
Whether we win it or not, we

1261
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,000
don't know.
But I think if you say Kyron's

1262
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,080
healthy, you basically give him
a month to everything that's

1263
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,080
fucked up between his foot, his
knee, his shoulder, his ribs and

1264
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,360
every other part that he got
beat.

1265
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,640
To hell with what happened.
Syracuse, Clemson, Duke and UVA

1266
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,800
don't know because the Syracuse
game, you sit here and it's like

1267
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,240
that game was there.
Yeah, He shouldn't have played

1268
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,920
the.
Clemson every game you could.

1269
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Every game.
Like the Clemson game?

1270
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,920
No, we played.
Clemson Clemson was a playoff

1271
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,040
team and we lost about 10 points
and I don't think we ran the

1272
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,920
ball with a running back and.
We and we.

1273
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,440
Didn't run the.
Football at All 22.

1274
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,000
We didn't run the ball.
Game Somebody get the ball to

1275
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,120
Cody.
Yeah.

1276
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Jaylen Lane was the lead rusher
that game.

1277
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,520
Yeah, I think Dan posted on
Twitter he said Clemson big and

1278
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,240
the ball ran down they throat
the whole year.

1279
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:35,160
I said, yeah, until you had our
coaches that that refused to run

1280
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,800
the ball.
Like you have scholarship

1281
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,600
running backs, you have
scholarship running backs on the

1282
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,960
team.
You got to see if somebody can

1283
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,880
run the ball, man.
You have to.

1284
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,240
I mean, you can't beat them just
throwing the ball.

1285
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,880
That's impossible.
Well, you looked at what

1286
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,880
happened to Clemson's rush
defense for the majority of the

1287
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,440
year, not running the football
against them, regardless of

1288
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,040
who's in the backfield was, was
just mind boggling to me.

1289
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,080
And, and that was that was the
one game where I was ready to

1290
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,440
say, you know, maybe Bowen can
hit the road, You know, because

1291
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,400
if, if, if, if you can't look at
that game and look at that

1292
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,800
defense and say my best route to
success is, is running.

1293
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,640
The ball between the tackles.
Yeah, then that's a problem.

1294
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,240
And, and I think I think one of
the best defense tackles was out

1295
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,680
that game too.
I think one of the top because

1296
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,840
the guy was out of the game.
So you run Coney, you give

1297
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,680
baseball another week to get
healthy.

1298
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,440
Like I said, me personally, I
just think after the Georgia

1299
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,160
Tech game, you should have
played Slee and me and Tally

1300
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,480
talked about it.
We knew Georgia Tech was going

1301
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,600
to put nine in the box.
Georgia Tech put 12 in the box.

1302
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,160
They said we refuse to let him
get off on us.

1303
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:51,560
So if you run Coney, you know,
because I think he had more pop,

1304
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,680
more burst.
Mason was hurt.

1305
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,560
You know, Mason had a bad
hamstring.

1306
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,800
So I think that was kind of the
reason why they didn't play him.

1307
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,600
But I also look at, you know,
kind of saving certain things

1308
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,680
for, you know, purposes, you
know, we don't know, but I would

1309
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,840
have played, I would have played
Coney, I'd have played Mason,

1310
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,280
you know, out of out of kept,
out of kept baseball's numbers

1311
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,720
down.
Because if you think about it,

1312
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,720
baseball's biggest games, he's
like 1617 carries.

1313
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,120
Think about it, 1617 carries is
what baseball is getting, you

1314
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,600
know, so they want to keep they
don't want to throw the ball a

1315
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,040
lot.
You know, 3030 plus passes in

1316
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,880
this offense is something that
they really don't want to do.

1317
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,080
They really want to play it
tight and close to the vest.

1318
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,280
They want to run the football.
They want to be complimentary,

1319
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,040
but we we didn't see a
complimentary game all year.

1320
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,960
I mean, the the closest man, the
only complimentary game we

1321
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,000
really, really saw that all
three phases didn't give us

1322
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,000
something to say.
God Dang, was UVA UVA Stanford,

1323
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,480
UVA Yeah, UVA Stanford.
That's it, That's it.

1324
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,680
You know, that's what we saw.
So yeah, we we got a lot of head

1325
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,960
scratching.
Do I think, do I think a lot of

1326
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,160
the younger players that are on
this team, this 24 class, this

1327
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,760
25 class are upgrades over some
of the guys we had?

1328
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,840
I'm going to say yeah, I'm going
to be totally honest with you, I

1329
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,960
think.
I think now you're not.

1330
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,720
You're not going to you're not
going to get the same upgrade.

1331
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,680
You're not going to get the same
upgrade as people's.

1332
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,920
Yeah, Here we go.
Let's.

1333
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,000
Talk about this real quick.
Let's talk about this real

1334
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,640
quick.
We're we're not saying Schlee or

1335
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,840
pop over Kyron, We're saying a
healthy Schlee or pop over a

1336
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,319
vastly injured Kyron.
These.

1337
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,120
Situations.
Oh well, it's still a fucking

1338
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,560
problem, but a healthy
quarterback is better than an

1339
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,439
injured quarterback.
Absolutely.

1340
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,880
And you saw and you saw that you
saw that in in those games.

1341
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,080
Syracuse game Slee played well.
He you know, he played well.

1342
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,920
You know, you just, I think I
think they kind of like you had

1343
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,359
certain things.
You know, when, when, yeah, when

1344
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,760
Coney fumble.
That was huge because we were

1345
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,600
driving on them again, you know,
that was a big turnover.

1346
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:14,120
And so, and like I said, you had
certain gaffes on the defense by

1347
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,240
one particular damn guy that
lost you that fucking Syracuse

1348
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,200
game.
That's it, man.

1349
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,479
Just go and call him.
What the fuck it is a dude had

1350
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,520
four.
He didn't have any catches

1351
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,279
coming into that fucking game.
He'd been a junior, No catches

1352
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:31,240
in his in his college career. 4
catches, 88 yards, 2 touchdowns.

1353
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,880
That wasn't nobody else but two
guys.

1354
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,560
It's called it what it is, man.
Yeah, you're supposed to win

1355
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,120
that game.
Yep, you're.

1356
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,359
Supposed to win that game but
both of them decide to leave

1357
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,399
and.
Play over there, Matty B Say he

1358
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,080
got a camera and a mic.
Get him in here, you know, if we

1359
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,479
get him in here.
So so that's send him a.

1360
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:50,960
Link.
If he wants to talk, let's talk.

1361
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,640
Send him a link, he stay want to
get in.

1362
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,920
The only problem with that?
Let's get him in.

1363
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,720
If you win that Syracuse game,
your whole perspective is

1364
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,920
different.
Yeah, your whole entire

1365
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,360
perspective is different because
up to that point, outside of

1366
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,800
Hokey Donnas, who said he knew
well before anybody else knew

1367
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,680
that Kyra wasn't going to play.
I knew a dude who knew Kyra

1368
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,120
wasn't going to play on
Thursday.

1369
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,800
But he ain't saying nobody.
He definitely did call his best

1370
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,920
friend Tally and tell him he
didn't do that.

1371
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,280
But you know that that that
ain't how that work.

1372
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,840
But knowing that the staff held
it close to the vest, Slee

1373
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,400
wouldn't play great.
You should have won, won that

1374
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,480
football game.
And your whole perspective is

1375
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,840
different that what that loss
hurt more than any other game

1376
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,240
for me all year.
Yeah, I'm with you because the

1377
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,640
the the worst team won that
football game.

1378
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,200
Absolutely.
That's why it's frustrating

1379
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,520
because you take away 2 plays,
you outplay them in pretty much

1380
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,240
every phase of the game.
Without question. 100% true,

1381
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,760
100% true.
I'd argue we.

1382
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,520
Were the we had the best players
and we're the best team in most

1383
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,360
every of our games.
The only argument against that

1384
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,280
was Clemson and Miami.
And honestly, I feel like we

1385
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,240
beat Miami and then Clemson.
That was, we were just, that was

1386
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,640
right, rough.
That was a rough game.

1387
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,120
To watch we still it was a 10
point it was.

1388
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:13,480
Very close.
Yeah.

1389
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:19,120
I know we had so much talent.
That's what hurts.

1390
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,400
And we know, and we're still
going to have a lot of talent.

1391
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,520
We just got to put it together
and I feel like we put it

1392
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,920
together and we make it click.
We can really have a good season

1393
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,320
coming up.
We really can.

1394
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,760
We just got to make it click.
That's the biggest thing.

1395
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,040
Yep.
So let's talk a little bit about

1396
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,960
what we've done in the transfer
portal so far, because I mean,

1397
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,720
that's that's been a big thing.
We had a lot of lot of people

1398
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,120
out.
We talked about that a little

1399
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,400
bit.
Let's talk about some of the

1400
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,360
folks we getting in because I
feel like we're, I think we, we

1401
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,200
had to be talked off the ledge a
little bit.

1402
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,960
The first week of the transfer
portal.

1403
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,280
I think we saw a lot of bodies
going out the door.

1404
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,920
There was a lot of fucking
uncertainty between who we going

1405
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,480
to fire.
All right, now that we fired

1406
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:04,960
somebody who we going to hire.
Can we get guys in here while

1407
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,720
we're kind of in this transition
phase?

1408
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,720
And then we started seeing them
trickle in and trickling in

1409
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,880
pretty good right now.
You know, we got got a, you

1410
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,440
know, a big crop of DBS that
came in.

1411
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,680
We got a, you got AD line.
We got a couple running backs.

1412
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,720
So, you know, we're looking
pretty good on those fronts.

1413
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,760
What are we looking like from a
transfer portal situation?

1414
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,240
Everybody's dropping out
apparently.

1415
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,760
Apparently I started talking to
everybody left.

1416
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,240
Oh, it was a obviously bathroom
break time.

1417
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,680
I'm still here for you.
I'm still here.

1418
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,080
Sally, what you got on these
transfers?

1419
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,040
I mean, I put something up
whenever everybody was kind of

1420
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:49,320
acting crazy at the beginning
and I was like, I mean, the

1421
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,720
transfer portal is going to give
and it's going to take, you know

1422
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,600
what I'm saying?
I think I said something to the

1423
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,920
effect of, you know, we we did
get a, you know, 16 SAT guy

1424
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,440
through the transfer portal and
somebody pretty much told me

1425
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,600
that I was crazy.
You know, all that's just that's

1426
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,440
not going to happen And well,
you ain't going to get nobody.

1427
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:12,320
Then we start getting people and
I'm like, that's what happens.

1428
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,760
That's what's good.
That's what this new age of

1429
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,560
football is.
So I will say, you know, now

1430
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,000
specific they upgraded the
safeties room.

1431
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:29,400
You know, our starting safety
played in half of a game being

1432
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,120
Jalen Shroman, and we never seen
him again because he got

1433
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,200
injured.
So they went out and got some

1434
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,200
safeties and a couple of other
safeties that we do have are

1435
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,200
young and show promise.
Q Reddish.

1436
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,120
So with what they did going to
picking up flowers and cash, I

1437
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,600
think it's a good move because
you bring in some veteran

1438
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,880
leadership and you bring in some
production.

1439
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,960
You know, those both of those
guys were productive at their at

1440
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,200
their stops that they were at.
Didn't they get the ECU

1441
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,440
cornerback because we have the
lane go in the in the portal,

1442
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:13,320
which again, for me, I didn't
expect to see the lane anymore

1443
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,200
in Virginia Tech just because I
thought he was going pro.

1444
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,240
I thought he would go to the NFL
for what you know, he's going to

1445
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,760
LSU.
Kudos to him.

1446
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,440
So yeah, I hate to see that
because I'd much rather him go

1447
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:28,880
to the NFL and they say drafted
from Virginia Tech, you know,

1448
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,400
Monsoor de Lion, but he's got to
do what's best for him.

1449
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,040
So either way it goes.
I had already mentally made my

1450
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,080
mind up that I wasn't going to
see him play at Virginia Tech

1451
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,120
anymore.
So they go and get this kid from

1452
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,560
ECU, which is a serviceable kid,
But I think we got young talent

1453
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,160
again on the in the room that
can come in and play.

1454
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,960
We've seen Dante Lovett play
last year and I think it's just

1455
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,800
going to be reps for him to come
in and continue getting better.

1456
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,560
Braylon Johnson, I think they
kind of moved him to safety.

1457
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,760
We seen him play his true
freshman year and he red shirted

1458
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,360
last year.
We got some other kids back

1459
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,040
there, you know, Josh Clark and
Thomas Williams.

1460
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,680
A couple of those other kids,
man, that we just haven't seen

1461
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,920
that.
Now they're going to be going

1462
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:15,200
from, you know, someone being
freshman to their juniors or red

1463
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,000
shirts sophomore three years in
college.

1464
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,640
If it's not your time to play,
then when is your time to play?

1465
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:23,800
You know what I'm saying?
Like we got to, we got to start

1466
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,760
seeing some productivity from
these guys that we do have.

1467
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,200
And like I said, they did go out
and they went and grabbed also

1468
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,040
Radish's brother, bring him in
another, you know, bring in some

1469
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,920
more, you know, veteran type
players that can show some of

1470
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,440
the younger guys 'cause
sometimes.

1471
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,480
And I, I, I'm going to be honest
with you, I have not watched a

1472
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,880
lot of film on the transfers
that we're getting in.

1473
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,320
But I do know when you have
somebody who's played at any

1474
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:59,520
program, they bring in some kind
of way to be a pro, how to go

1475
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,640
through your game day, how to,
you know, treat your body when

1476
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,440
you're not playing, you know,
different things.

1477
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:09,400
Like that is some of the stuff
that you need that's not shown

1478
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,920
on the field because you got to
have somebody who knows how to

1479
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,480
tell the younger guy, man, you
got to go to bed at such and

1480
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:21,760
such time on game day.
Because if you don't get enough

1481
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,480
sleep and you eat Skittles all
night, your body's going to

1482
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,520
react to certain just little
stuff like that or you can't be

1483
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,840
up on a game.
Wait a second, hold.

1484
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,280
On I was crazy as shit that week
because I was watching these

1485
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,920
transfers go out and I was
freaking the fuck out, but I was

1486
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,400
too.
Busy to like, tweet about?

1487
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:45,480
It I'm going.
To answer Hashem real quick,

1488
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,000
because we've got a first time
here.

1489
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,600
First of all, that is the
Kirkland.

1490
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,760
That is the Costco 12 year
blended Scotch.

1491
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,440
He's from Costco, he's going to
blow up.

1492
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,000
He's by South.
Carolina Costco.

1493
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,560
He brought it up last week.
At the family Gallery.

1494
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:16,200
Oh, that ain't Dan Matty B Oh,
Matty B got a whole set up.

1495
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:22,040
He got everything over there.
He got black lights Matty B in

1496
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,200
here hey get him on here I'm.
Mute this up.

1497
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,080
Hold on hold.
This is big.

1498
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,360
This is the first time we have
ever brought a fan on mission.

1499
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:33,520
Ever.
We've talked.

1500
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,000
About doing this.
Shit before me and Brian have

1501
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,040
and this is what we got going on
Maddie.

1502
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:40,440
He is, he is.
Fully embracing, say, the

1503
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:41,600
program.
He is drinking.

1504
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,760
He's got the old school TV.
Logo Salute.

1505
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:48,160
Salute. 1993 Hokey sat on, so
salute.

1506
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:52,920
Welcome, Maddie to the state of
the program, where ain't nobody

1507
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,680
over but Tally because he got to
stay sober because he can't lose

1508
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,400
all his money getting drunk when
he got downstairs.

1509
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:58,680
Yeah, I'm drinking water over
here.

1510
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,600
And I hear you guys and I, I, to
be honest, I, I appreciate you.

1511
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,160
Witness Matty B standing up and
fucking coming on.

1512
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,640
Yeah, witness.
That.

1513
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,200
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, we
live in a age of cowards and I

1514
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,640
feel if you're going to say
something, you may as well say

1515
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,200
it.
And I'm not afraid of coming on.

1516
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,120
I'm not the smartest guy in the
world, but I do have opinions on

1517
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,600
things.
I'm willing to be corrected and

1518
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,640
I'm willing to be right.
Brother, I'm the same boat as

1519
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:26,840
you.
Have you seen my fucking

1520
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,120
podcast?
It's me and Paul just fucking

1521
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,640
going on, and we say if you want
to see real conversation about

1522
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,120
football, go watch Boundary
Quarter right after.

1523
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,200
But actually, and I'm not going
to spread any hate on your

1524
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:48,520
podcast, but of the hokey social
media presence on YouTube and or

1525
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,760
X, this is the only one that I
can really tune into.

1526
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,880
I, I, I don't like the other
ones.

1527
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,000
This is the the real deal for
me.

1528
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,320
This is the only one that I tune
into.

1529
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:00,720
I've told Tally that I've quote
tweeted him and and you know, I

1530
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,120
love, I love tune into this
particular program because you

1531
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,640
guys are willing to get down and
we're not reading poems at the

1532
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,040
beginning.
But.

1533
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:14,400
I would say that I, I, I.
Like those guys?

1534
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:21,640
Very cool man, I met them all.
Hey, I'm not speaking for the

1535
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,560
podcast.
I'm just a guest here, OK?

1536
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,760
If you want to help me out, you
can.

1537
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,920
I love those.
Guys, they sent me a a nice

1538
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,480
glass kit of whiskeys.
I know I just, I just think we

1539
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:36,280
got to get rid of some of the
pussy assness from from our

1540
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:41,160
program and, and, and, but yeah,
but anyways, I, I just came on

1541
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,800
to talk to you guys.
I love the way that you talk

1542
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,040
about Virginia Tech football.
I don't always agree with you,

1543
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,040
but I'm I'm here and I'm willing
to talk and I'm willing to hash

1544
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,800
it out with Chris over some
things that I've said.

1545
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,520
I'm willing to hash it out with
anybody over anything that we've

1546
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,080
talked about.
Or if you want to bring anything

1547
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,640
up, I'm willing to chime in.
But thanks for having me on and

1548
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:03,440
let's go Okies.
I'm going to get on you for this

1549
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:06,120
because this is for me.
You said went out like you do

1550
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,960
realize the Syracuse game, if we
won out, we would have been the

1551
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,800
ACC championship game.
We lost three games by 17 points

1552
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:15,840
and I'm going to go step by
step.

1553
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,480
Syracuse.
Let's not hash that again

1554
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,320
because goddamn it, I'd make
everybody in here angry as well.

1555
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,320
Clemson, we know Kylan was
injured and then we run the ball

1556
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,440
4 goddamn times the whole game
with our lead running back

1557
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:35,520
Jeremiah Kony had went for 96
yards on 10 carries against

1558
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,600
Syracuse.
Malachi had 72 yards, averaging

1559
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:43,160
5.2 per carry.
We were running the ball against

1560
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,520
one of the worst fucking run
defenses.

1561
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,000
We chose not to run.
And then the Duke game, I was

1562
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,320
watching that in my sister's
house and I had to listen to the

1563
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,800
rest of it on the radio.
So when you say went out

1564
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,240
question mark, homie, it won't.
It won't.

1565
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,040
Like we got that fucking blowers
blown the fuck off.

1566
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,600
It was there, we fucked it up,
I'll say that all day.

1567
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:07,480
But if you take a look at that
the last month of the season,

1568
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:10,360
November 2nd, the Hokies control
their own destiny.

1569
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,480
Yeah, do 5 and.
Three, let's talk about talent.

1570
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,920
Let's talk about execution.
Let's talk about because those

1571
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,960
those are the three things
primarily that go into winning

1572
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,600
football games.
Talent for the most part, we

1573
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,120
were there in, in in most of
those games.

1574
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:32,800
We were there execution spotty
at times and and and Chris has

1575
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,240
talked about it, you know,
especially the Syracuse game,

1576
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,920
which we won't necessarily run
into the ground and give

1577
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,280
execution was a problem at
multiple times this season.

1578
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:48,760
Coaching in in particularly
situational coaching was bad at

1579
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,680
a lot of key parts of this
season.

1580
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,320
There were opportunities to win
there.

1581
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,960
And to Chris's point, I think if
you are better with the way you

1582
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:02,800
are managing those week to week
things, you put yourself in

1583
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,120
better position on game day for
the execution piece and that

1584
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,040
makes up for some of those other
things.

1585
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,440
Yeah, well, I mean, and and
other news, Brian, water is wet.

1586
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,800
I mean, I mean like, you know,
if we execute well, we win.

1587
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,560
The problem is we didn't.
And I don't, I like to blame

1588
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,160
players a lot #70 I'm not going
to say his name.

1589
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,400
Parker Clements, I did not like
him.

1590
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:32,760
But there's, but you know, I
mean, we could talk about

1591
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,120
execution and we really could
have got in there and all these

1592
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,520
things.
This comes from the top.

1593
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,280
This is a top down.
Shit runs downhill, right?

1594
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,840
And that's that's why we suck
right now.

1595
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,760
And I agree.
With you, we could have won out

1596
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,280
and that's why I put that thing
went out.

1597
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,880
That's crazy.
That was sarcastic and so I

1598
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,040
guess it didn't come off that
way.

1599
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,520
No, no, I, I got.
What you were saying, Curtis,

1600
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,760
Are you that fucking drunk?
No, no, no.

1601
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,880
No, Maddie, I didn't.
Know how to.

1602
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,080
Read your thing like the Hokies
respect thing.

1603
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,840
I thought you were actually
being semi serious.

1604
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:06,680
Oh no.
The HR saw.

1605
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,640
Your.
Virginia Tech football now.

1606
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,040
I saw your one O comment, I went
OK I know what he's doing.

1607
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,080
So, so just a little backwards
context for you guys.

1608
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,400
I'm getting married in May and
I.

1609
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:19,240
Congratulations.
Thank you.

1610
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,520
I decided for my bachelor party
not to go to Vegas or not to go

1611
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,320
to these other places.
I plan preseason to have my

1612
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,320
bachelor party for the Clemson
game.

1613
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,840
I got a suite because I bought
into the hype.

1614
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,600
I bought the lie.
I said boom, we're going to go

1615
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,960
to the Clemson game.
I'm showing my boys Virginia

1616
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,520
Tech football because I've lived
in Portland, OR for 10 years and

1617
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,560
I went to so many.
Games.

1618
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,920
And I couldn't tell you.
I said I'm going to show my boys

1619
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,440
what Blacksburg is all about.
And by the third quarter, it was

1620
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,600
a funeral.
Everyone had their hands on my

1621
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,480
shoulders and it wasn't a good
thing.

1622
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,520
And so, but if we would have won
that Syracuse game, that Clemson

1623
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,440
game is so much different.
And then if we went out from

1624
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,720
there, we're talking, we're
going to the ACC championship.

1625
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:06,520
And, and I mean, so I was being
very sarcastic in the sense of

1626
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,320
went out as a joke.
It was.

1627
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:12,720
It was more so in the sense of
why is our leadership sucks so

1628
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,600
bad and why can't they rile
these boys up to win a damn game

1629
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,240
like they did at.
The rainy game, right?

1630
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,840
So The thing is, The thing is
what I put your first comment up

1631
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:30,480
about Maddie, is when you say
Kyron in Good Slee and Papa

1632
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,880
Better or something like that.
I don't want to lie and say you

1633
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,880
said something that you didn't,
but it was something to that

1634
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,520
aspect.
But then now when we're talking,

1635
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,080
we're talking about why can't
the coaches rile them up?

1636
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,200
I'm just trying to see where are
you coming from what, what

1637
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,680
context do you get that this
player and this player are head

1638
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,080
and shoulders better than this
player?

1639
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,840
And if they are, why didn't the
coaches put them in?

1640
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:56,640
I think we agree on that point.
I think a lot of us agree on

1641
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,800
this podcast with that point
where it looked like seniority

1642
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,840
was a big deal for this coaching
staff and wanting the seniors to

1643
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,560
play out their season.
And there were players that were

1644
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,280
better that were not played
because the seniors were

1645
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,800
playing, for example, Parker
Clements or for example, letting

1646
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,320
Chiron out there with injuries.
He's obviously hurt.

1647
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,480
I don't hate Kyron drones.
I I just think that he wasn't an

1648
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:21,560
effective quarterback in the
system that we're running,

1649
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,920
especially hurt.
He we could have gotten through

1650
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,480
if he was fully healthy the
whole season.

1651
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,920
But I think the coaches.
But you got to think, you got to

1652
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,000
stand on what you said, you got
to stand on what you said.

1653
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,000
When you type it, you said Kyron
is not good.

1654
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,520
That's what you say.
You're backtracking.

1655
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,400
What you said you said Karen is
not good, popping better.

1656
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,480
Why was he still playing?
Right.

1657
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,400
So Karen isn't any good.
What I meant by that is he

1658
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,960
wasn't good to play those games.
He was not good, Kyron.

1659
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,520
Is not any, but that isn't what
you're.

1660
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,360
Saying on the field to make the
place.

1661
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,840
That he needed to play.
To to to have the offensive

1662
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,000
execution for they ran him like
a battering ram for the first

1663
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,320
few games.
I mean, Kyron isn't any good in

1664
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,840
those situations.
If he's hurt, he's not any good.

1665
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:15,280
But that's what you didn't say.
But hold on.

1666
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,400
This is, this is what I'm going
to say, man.

1667
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,880
I'm going to kind of take your
side for say, when you type in

1668
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,960
shit that can happen.
So first thing, it's always.

1669
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,120
I'm in the.
Context because if you were to

1670
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,880
say.
I love Curtis.

1671
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,200
If you would have said.
Curtis typing or talking?

1672
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,280
Let's go.
Y'all know how that goes?

1673
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,720
I know that because the way I
type and shit.

1674
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,720
But the whole thing is you've
got to throw that in there

1675
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,600
because you're right, right?
If that's your feeling, Kyron

1676
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,120
Hurt is not them.
I think everybody, all seven of

1677
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,880
us here agree and probably all
478 people watching us right now

1678
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,200
agree Kyron banged up was not as
good as those guys.

1679
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,560
No, they weren't.
Well see this guy makes this.

1680
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,320
That was context because the way
we read it is wait a SEC, Kyron

1681
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:01,360
Jones last year, 17 touchdowns,
3 interceptions starting at the

1682
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,760
Marshall game, which we want to
go back to 2023 and we can

1683
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,840
always say this program was the
first program to say Kyron Jones

1684
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:08,920
should have been a starting
quarterback.

1685
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,880
We said it right after the
spring game with Mike McDaniel

1686
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,600
sitting here.
Mike's, Mike tried to join us

1687
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,760
later if things aren't happening
at his house, but the, the, the

1688
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,560
context has to be there because
when it's when we're out in this

1689
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,200
sort of arena, all we see is
Chiron isn't it's good.

1690
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,800
It's like, first of all, we had
a chance to talk to Karen and

1691
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,440
everything and they did not run
him like a batter and ran the

1692
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:33,680
first few games.
They were trying to make him a

1693
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,840
pocket passer which Tally went
the fuck off on.

1694
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,480
Right.
So this is the thing that the

1695
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:41,120
only reason that I was harping
on that was not to be

1696
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,800
argumentative with Maddie.
I just want people because what

1697
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,040
I do when I look at football and
I watch Virginia Tech football

1698
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,040
is I get very personal as far as
how I feel and what I remember.

1699
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,520
And I don't go into really what
happened.

1700
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,640
The things that people are
saying and the things that we

1701
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,120
remember is not really how it
happened a lot of times.

1702
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,520
So you have to go back and you
have to look at it and you got

1703
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,800
to kind of go through the whole
film and self evaluate and go.

1704
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,400
What really happened here?
Just like Tim said, they didn't

1705
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,640
run him like a battering ram.
They tried to make him a pocket

1706
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,400
passer, which he still got hurt
in in Vanderbilt.

1707
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,400
If y'all don't know if he was at
the game he's pleased, let's run

1708
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:19,640
with.
That let's run with.

1709
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,320
That but but my thing is, but
what I'm saying is when we seen

1710
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,680
Kyron play last year and it
ain't just the fans, it was

1711
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,800
people who aren't Virginia Tech
fans said this kid has

1712
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,320
something, This kid has
something.

1713
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:36,800
He may be a dark horse Heisman.
I didn't get to that far, but

1714
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,680
some people had that.
Some people said he may be ACC

1715
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,320
player of the year, couple other
things.

1716
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,520
Whatever the case may be, if he
gets to that form, Virginia Tech

1717
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,680
can do this.
Apparently that didn't happen.

1718
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,080
We seen what happened this year,
injuries, him not being good,

1719
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,280
whatever fans want to say
whatever we think.

1720
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:57,120
But what I'm saying is when you
say that the other quarterbacks

1721
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,680
had the same offensive
coordinator, all I'm saying is

1722
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,640
the other quarterbacks came in
and got hurt or the other

1723
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,720
quarterbacks came in and we
still lost games, we still

1724
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,480
didn't win.
Like what did they do so good

1725
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:13,840
that we did that made us better
Again, any quarterback that

1726
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,160
would have played, any
quarterback that would have

1727
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,600
played would have beat UVA.
That's what I thought.

1728
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,600
Stay on the topic.
All right, so let's let's look

1729
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,280
at this.
If if I were to go to any of

1730
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:29,520
Chiron's games this year, any of
them and then we run, let's just

1731
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,160
go to the just extended replays
on YouTube, the show where the

1732
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,520
condensed version of games.
Would you say that pops and

1733
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,080
sleaze games look different than
Kyron's?

1734
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,560
Kyron was hurt.
He got hurt in Virginia.

1735
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,000
At the first game of the year,
we get started at the first game

1736
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,680
of the year.
He was hurt in the first game of

1737
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,560
the year.
He got hurt.

1738
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,760
You don't remember that he was.
Laying on the field?

1739
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,280
No.
He was laying on the field, face

1740
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:54,240
down.
Why was he playing?

1741
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,400
That that's the question.
You said the office of

1742
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,400
coordinator made the other two
quarterbacks look good.

1743
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,040
I'm saying why would they let
him play and he's hurt.

1744
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,800
When we talked about this in the
space, the office brought up the

1745
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,080
fact.
Everything was different.

1746
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,360
Everything was different.
See, we talk about Vanderbilt

1747
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,440
too, but like, even a hurt Kyron
in against Vanderbilt completed

1748
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:17,640
66% of his passes, 322 yards and
two touchdowns.

1749
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,840
Two touchdowns and had.
I mean, he wasn't out there

1750
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,840
taking a shit on the field
despite how we felt for the

1751
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,320
duration of that game.
Yeah, we should have been, you

1752
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,600
know, and, and, yeah.
And he had like a lot of bad

1753
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,440
drops in that game.
He had a lot of bad drops in

1754
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:33,520
that game.
Oh yeah, a lot.

1755
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,040
Of and Ollie Jennings had one
across the middle that was a.

1756
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,520
Now this is what I was saying.
Yeah, what knowledge, Aiden?

1757
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,800
Green my bet.
And what we'll say and what

1758
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:48,360
we'll say to Maddie's point, I'm
not saying Karen is above

1759
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,400
criticism.
I'm not saying that at all.

1760
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,120
But what I'm saying is that this
coaching staff 100% for a fact

1761
01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:59,360
knew that he was going to be
deficient for certain reasons

1762
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,440
because he was hurt.
And they said, hey, can you

1763
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,640
please do this for us?
Can you please go and do this?

1764
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,520
Because we don't want the optics
to look this way.

1765
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,880
And his parents and him said
we're going to let that happen

1766
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,120
so fans can go.
When Chris said the kid took all

1767
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,400
the arrows, he took all the
arrows for this year, took them

1768
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,360
all.
He wasn't even.

1769
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,160
He came back.
They stopped him from going to

1770
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,760
school.
He didn't go to class any during

1771
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,240
the Georgia Tech week, he
didn't.

1772
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,560
He had three Mris that week or
that month.

1773
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:39,200
He didn't go to class at all.
So they knew he was hurt and he

1774
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,560
went and scored a rushing
touchdown, a passing touchdown

1775
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,800
and.
Been in the damn game.

1776
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,720
And receiving touchdown, he
shouldn't have been playing, but

1777
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,120
they said the coaches were
playing this game where they

1778
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,200
were saying we got to win.
This is the more important game,

1779
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,520
so let's do this.
And then when they played the

1780
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,560
game of, well, he might play
against Syracuse.

1781
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,080
He was supposed to be on a in a
boot that week.

1782
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,880
This isn't something that tally
made-up.

1783
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,600
You can go check records or you
can talk deep enough in

1784
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,920
Blacksburg and they'll tell you
he wasn't.

1785
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:13,120
He was supposed to be in a boot
against Syracuse or coming out,

1786
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,880
but they said, well, let's let
him warm up so we can trick him.

1787
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,280
All of the media do.
All of Virginia Tech media knew

1788
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,040
all of them.
All of them knew and they.

1789
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,760
And they trusted crime because
they wanted to get their money

1790
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,640
in.
What, other than money would

1791
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,400
make that decision happen?
He didn't play that game, so I

1792
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,240
don't know what the money is
that we're talking about.

1793
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:35,920
I'm just saying they they, they
were trying to play a head game

1794
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,000
with Syracuse, which kind of
worked because Schlee went in.

1795
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,400
You know what I'm saying?
Schlee went in and played and he

1796
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,160
played fine until he got hurt.
You make this.

1797
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,360
He got here for two.
Quarterbacks.

1798
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,720
Now that being said, I I don't
understand the mind games to the

1799
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,760
point where when I look at Colin
Schlee, when I look at Colin

1800
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,880
Schlee other than his physical
stature, right?

1801
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,600
I mean Kyron is imposing from a
physical standpoint.

1802
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,800
Other than that, their games are
very similar.

1803
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,680
Very much.
Very similar, very much so.

1804
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,320
You're not necessarily even
playing a great head game

1805
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,800
because you're still preparing
for a similar type of

1806
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,040
quarterback.
Other than the fact that Kyron

1807
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,240
can run you the fuck over.
Right.

1808
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,680
Hey, Mr. I can ask you a.
Question, Maddie, Hold on, hold

1809
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:21,720
on.
Let me say this real quick to

1810
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:22,840
him.
Curtis, go ahead.

1811
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,600
Go ahead.
No, no, no mine.

1812
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,720
Mine's legit, Maddie.
No, I was just going to say,

1813
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,560
Maddie, I'm not cutting you off
from the stuff that you're

1814
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,760
saying because you you have your
right to have any thought

1815
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,040
process.
You want to we all fucking mad

1816
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,400
because we didn't win this year,
but I just want fans that when

1817
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,120
we're talking, yeah, I just, I
just want fans to look at the

1818
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,240
complete package whenever we're
talking about stuff because a

1819
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,560
lot of times we go to players
and players and players.

1820
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,200
And sometimes it's player,
coach, player.

1821
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:52,960
Sometimes it's coach, coach,
player.

1822
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,800
You know what I'm saying?
We got to get on everybody.

1823
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,800
And Maddie, you do that.
You get on the coaches too.

1824
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,160
I ain't saying that you, you,
you crossed them out.

1825
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:03,360
But I do feel like a lot of fans
get bowing a pass and I fucking

1826
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,320
don't know why because I'm going
to tell you right now, I'm on

1827
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,320
his ass just as bad as any of
the other coaches because he got

1828
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,000
everything he wanted back this
year and he didn't do shit with

1829
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:13,120
it.
That's my opinion.

1830
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:19,560
A great point with fucking Bowen
is he he got everything back,

1831
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,120
but he did not take care of the
offensive line.

1832
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,440
You cannot build an offense
without a fucking offensive

1833
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:30,200
line.
Go ahead, Maddie.

1834
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,440
Did you go to tech first of all?
Yes.

1835
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:33,760
What?
What years?

1836
01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:38,560
Briefly, it was between O 8 and
halfway through O 9 I dropped

1837
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:44,000
out and I started selling drugs
and the same as Doctor Jeremy,

1838
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,400
but he graduated.
Yeah, we went to school the.

1839
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:49,600
Same time I went to school, yes,
yes.

1840
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,400
But I also, I grew up in
Blacksburg as well, so I grew.

1841
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:53,920
Up, yeah.
So.

1842
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,520
Fatty.
Yeah, I went to Blacksburg

1843
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,640
Middle School, Christiansburg
High School and then to Tech so.

1844
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,920
You probably went to the old
middle school before it was

1845
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,320
tornado.
Yeah, before it was completely

1846
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,440
destroyed.
Yeah, luckily I wasn't there for

1847
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:12,120
that, but.
Yeah, you are not in the actual

1848
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,080
building.
I'm very, yeah, I'm very

1849
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:19,240
familiar with with the area.
It's, it's important to me.

1850
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:25,040
I watched a small town transform
from impoverished to, you know,

1851
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,920
having the football team is
super important to me because of

1852
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,440
how I saw my community
transformed.

1853
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,520
So I, I, I guess I have a little
bit more heart in it than I

1854
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:39,440
probably should sometimes.
Now you, you now you're hard in

1855
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,160
the right place.
Don't, don't, don't, don't do it

1856
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,440
like that.
You're hard in the right place.

1857
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:47,160
I, I think what, what you know,
what you're saying is that, you

1858
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,800
know, there's enough and me and
Tyler gone around around with

1859
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,240
it.
It's enough blame to spread

1860
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,080
around all across the board.
You know, I love this staff.

1861
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,560
I love this school, I love this
program and I'm I'm relatively

1862
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:02,960
new to it, But you know, it's
still to the point where, you

1863
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,400
know, there are certain things
along the way that and, and for

1864
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,680
me and, and just for me, you
know, just like Tally said, that

1865
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,000
Georgia Tech week is, is the
week that turned it for me

1866
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,200
because you had the opportunity
to do certain things.

1867
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,960
You you slee wasn't coming back
playing get prop, get pop

1868
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:27,200
prepared and and whatever
happened, whatever, whatever

1869
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,600
happens happened.
But a lot of these guys, they

1870
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,400
came on y'all show early, early
last year.

1871
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,320
I remember Kyron saying, Hey
man, we came back to get

1872
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,880
prepared to go to the pros.
Yep.

1873
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,880
And, and I, and I and I, I, you
know, I kind of say to a lot of

1874
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,000
the guys, because I talk like,
play where your feet are

1875
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,160
planted.
That's going to happen.

1876
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,720
If it's going to happen, it's
going to happen.

1877
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:48,200
But play where your feet are
planted.

1878
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,560
But they were playing for the
league in August.

1879
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,720
That's what they, they weren't
playing to be great this year.

1880
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,280
They were playing for the league
in June, July, August.

1881
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:01,560
That's it.
That's where their minds were

1882
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,760
at.
And and then just had they just

1883
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,640
went and took care of their
business the way they could

1884
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,360
have, then it would be totally
different.

1885
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,280
But but going back to the the
biggest thing, and I think this

1886
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:14,680
Matt Moore higher, like
everybody said earlier, it's

1887
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:19,760
probably the biggest, biggest
hire is a huge hire and change

1888
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,480
some things in strength and
conditioning because what we're

1889
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:26,120
seeing and I think with this DC
high is going to help too.

1890
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,320
That's going to be that's going
to be huge.

1891
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,040
You got to win.
Let's.

1892
01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:32,080
Let's start with that right now,
because you're saying that we're

1893
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:36,000
often here screaming at who do
y'all think, and I'm going to

1894
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,640
pitch you to Dan.
Dan, you've been quiet.

1895
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,720
Dan got Dan's computer fucked up
on it and it had a rough last 15

1896
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,720
minutes.
Dan, who's the DC hire,

1897
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,360
honestly.
Who like who do I?

1898
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:48,360
Who?
Who do?

1899
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,720
You think And who do you want?
Man, I the honestly the longer

1900
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,920
it goes the more I think it's
Anthony Poindexter.

1901
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,080
OK, is that who I don't?
Though.

1902
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,920
I mean, at this point, yeah,
like, Jeff Collins doesn't

1903
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,880
inspire me.
He's a good DC.

1904
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:13,520
But like, I feel like there are
some new coaches around our

1905
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:19,120
regional rivals for recruits.
Not to mention James Franklin is

1906
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,160
still heavy in Virginia.
Like he got Tony Rojas had a

1907
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,880
pick 6 in that fucking playoff
game and he's a Virginia kid.

1908
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,320
Like like, you know what I'm
saying?

1909
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,640
Like it's just like I feel like
from AI feel like he's a good

1910
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,040
coach is not necessarily the
March situation because he's 48.

1911
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,640
He's been Co DC.
He had a little he dabbled in

1912
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,440
calling some plays.
I feel like even pride and Manny

1913
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:46,840
Diaz and now Tom Allen have
probably groomed this dude to

1914
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,480
call plays.
He's great recruiter.

1915
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:51,440
He'll get kids to come to
Virginia Tech.

1916
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:57,640
I feel like that if that if
you're going that route, like

1917
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,880
that's who I would go with.
He's the closest thing you can

1918
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,960
get to like hiring Tori and Gray
without hiring Tori and Gray.

1919
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,680
Because you're not.
At this point, you're not hiring

1920
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,560
Tori and Gray.
We're not getting Gray back.

1921
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:13,120
So if if what you want to do is
get a big Dick recruiter that

1922
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:17,560
can pull kids from Virginia that
has at least enough experience

1923
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,200
doing it, whether you whether
Co, DC or whether calling the

1924
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,800
defense, he's checking a lot of
the boxes.

1925
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,720
The only box he doesn't check is
that after you move on from a

1926
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:31,560
MARV, you're not getting a very
proven defensive coordinator.

1927
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:35,200
In terms of a guy that is called
the defense for multiple years

1928
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,800
before coming into Blacksburg,
that's the one thing.

1929
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,920
You're Maddie.
Maddie, Maddie, First things

1930
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,240
first, this is our podcast.
You don't fucking stay on mute,

1931
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,400
dude.
Everybody's got a voice here.

1932
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,040
You stay off mute.
Is that a?

1933
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,120
This is.
Dino no, I'm not.

1934
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,320
I'm going to be honest.
Can I be honest?

1935
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:58,040
I I have a little bit of gas.
Oh my God, we don't.

1936
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,520
Hey man, like to be honest.
Jack the Ripper in this bitch.

1937
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,560
Can I just say something real
quick?

1938
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,000
I kind of respect Maddie for
putting his face on the camera

1939
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,480
and letting him be his thoughts
be exposed.

1940
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:15,520
Is that your is your picture is
Joe, it looks like that's you,

1941
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,560
right?
People think I'm a burner.

1942
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,440
I did an AI picture to put a
headset on me so I could like.

1943
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:26,080
I just want to say I'm not I.
Just want to it's the only time

1944
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,400
I'm ever going to say this.
I'm going to say it now on this

1945
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,040
program.
There are grown ass men on this

1946
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,520
in this world that all they do
every day is think about me.

1947
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,320
They're with their wife at the
Thanksgiving table, they're

1948
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:40,480
opening presents, they're
thinking about me.

1949
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,080
They're and I feel bad when they
fuck their wife because I

1950
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,200
guarantee you they're not
thinking about her.

1951
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:49,440
That's all I'm saying.
You got man.

1952
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,320
Prod alone.
We didn't got we.

1953
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,520
The liquor has hit Dan's hit
Maddie.

1954
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:55,400
We'll.
Go to you.

1955
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:58,000
Before we got everybody else, DC
where you want.

1956
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:03,280
I mean, honestly, I mean, I
don't hate the the Poindexter

1957
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,480
thing.
I I really just want someone

1958
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:09,240
who's called snaps before.
I'm kind of with you guys.

1959
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:13,720
I don't really follow the
coaching trail and all of these

1960
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:17,480
things and really try to dive
into all of them.

1961
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,200
I want our leadership to pick
somebody who's good.

1962
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,280
I hope that Pride would.
He didn't before with Mars.

1963
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,400
So my trust is a little broken.
But I'm not going to go through

1964
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,520
every single potential coaching
hire and their resume and all

1965
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,480
these things.
I want a culture fit.

1966
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:33,480
I want somebody who loves
Blacksburg.

1967
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,480
I want somebody who loves Bud
Foster.

1968
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,960
I want somebody who who can
really Foster under oh, wait,

1969
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,880
pun intended.
Pun intended.

1970
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,600
Under that under that care.
I don't have like somebody in

1971
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,480
mind.
I don't I I just want them to

1972
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,520
play Virginia textile defense
and I want us to be aggressive

1973
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,920
10 our years back and get blown
out on 3rd downs as usual.

1974
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,280
Yeah.
I mean, let's talk about this

1975
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,760
comment from Andrew, because,
you know, I think this is kind

1976
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,720
of at the crux of the two, the
two biggest names that have been

1977
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,120
floated out there in terms of AP
and Jeff Collins.

1978
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,400
You know, I, I, I like the point
here.

1979
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:17,360
The only thing that I will say
is that we've talked about pride

1980
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,360
needing somebody that can help
him with in game management.

1981
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,120
That's been a big problem off
and on throughout his his

1982
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,920
tenure.
It shows up big time in one

1983
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,960
score games because when it's
tight, you see the flaws a lot

1984
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,720
easier.
And we we've seen the flaws in

1985
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,320
one score games, prize decision
making and crunch time.

1986
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,960
So Jeff Collins could
potentially help with that.

1987
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,400
I'm still at the point where
Jeff Collins rubs a lot of

1988
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:50,480
people the wrong way.
I don't know how good he would

1989
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:53,760
be in this footprint.
Was Jeff Collins, don't know if

1990
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,720
North Carolina this year?
I don't know if I.

1991
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:58,240
Trust the coach that gave. 70
Burger Did they have a?

1992
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,160
Did they have a?
Basketball school, Yeah, right.

1993
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:03,920
They did, yeah.
That motherfucker can't come

1994
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:05,680
here and coach.
He.

1995
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:13,840
Gave up seventy point you.
Need resume guy to be a game

1996
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,440
manager.
Does that person really have to

1997
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,680
have a big resume?
I almost feel like you go to

1998
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,040
tech sideline and bring on David
Cunningham and he would game

1999
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:29,440
manage pretty well.
My fucking nephews playing NCAA

2000
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:31,280
kid game man is better than we
fucking.

2001
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:36,320
Game.
Man, find the 100th best NCAA

2002
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:42,440
player and they're going to.
But if you wouldn't have an

2003
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:43,360
adult, do it.
Shelton.

2004
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,600
Shelton is my first, first,
second, third, 4th and 5th

2005
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,120
choice to be the game manager.
Got Sheldon is my stats child I

2006
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,520
love.
Him could make it tonight, but.

2007
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,240
Back to the question though,
what Curtis said and what Curtis

2008
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,920
said and and Lavar just put it
up as well.

2009
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,560
I never paid attention, but JM
U's deep defensive coordinator

2010
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,600
would be a good hire.
But just thinking about things

2011
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,720
like logically now, it's like if
some of these people were the

2012
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,600
hire, why wouldn't they be
there?

2013
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,840
Like if Jeff Collins was the guy
we're trying to get portal

2014
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,760
people in, why is he not there
if Lyle him?

2015
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,400
Why?
Why have we done so good with

2016
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,440
the ease in this transfer portal
cycle, right?

2017
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,760
So it's not so much that I think
of like what I want.

2018
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:35,320
Or what I think is good.
I'm just thinking like what it

2019
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:36,960
could be.
I'm trying to I'm trying to play

2020
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:38,200
clue.
You know what I'm saying?

2021
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,040
I'm trying to do this and I just
want y'all to like, he said.

2022
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:45,960
Make the hire and it be good.
What if money were not an object

2023
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:49,960
and we could hire anyone that
may be available here in this

2024
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,520
offseason because of a firing?
I'm just saying Brent Venables

2025
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:57,480
is right there.
After he just lost the Navy.

2026
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,320
But he ain't.
He's still coaching, though.

2027
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:02,320
Yes, he's still a great
defensive coordinator.

2028
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:04,800
Yeah, he's a good defensive
coordinator, though.

2029
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,440
He just, I don't think he's a
good head coach.

2030
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,640
He's Oklahoma.
He's not a shattered.

2031
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:12,720
He's he's been a he's been
shattered after leaving Dabo

2032
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,240
Swing.
I I just no, I don't, I don't

2033
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,760
think Venables.
I mean, if we're if we're

2034
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,000
fantasy booking, we got all the
money in the world.

2035
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:25,720
Fucking Nick Saban's on college.
I mean, you know, so get.

2036
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,400
Out of a job to pay your people?
As a coordinator, let's go.

2037
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,200
Let's go get.
Saban's Yeah.

2038
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,520
Michael Vick is a coach, is a
hit, Yeah.

2039
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,080
Michael Vick is a coach at North
Norfolk State.

2040
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:37,280
Yeah.
Deshawn.

2041
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,720
Jackson Deshawn Jackson is
coaching.

2042
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,800
Bill Belichick is coaching in
college.

2043
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,160
Like what is going on right now?
This is crazy.

2044
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,960
I don't know.
By the way, what's?

2045
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,840
Going on with Belichick, I have
no clue how to feel about it

2046
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,600
because I don't think he's going
to be a good head coach at a

2047
01:45:54,600 --> 01:46:02,160
college like situation, but he
still will have more money than

2048
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:06,720
anything that I think we've
encountered in the ACC ever.

2049
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:11,160
So they're really investing in
the program and I can't wait to

2050
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,400
see it fall flat on its fucking
face.

2051
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:18,160
As fuck UNC.
Yeah, but but I mean, what about

2052
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,160
Bam Bam Cam?
Where's Cam Chancellor at?

2053
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,240
Don't you think he could come in
and do something?

2054
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,360
That ain't that ain't Cam steel.
That ain't I don't think that's

2055
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,560
cams Moi think Cam is just
enjoying enjoying life.

2056
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,000
So I mean cam's running.
A restaurant.

2057
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,480
Yeah, Cam's enjoying life, man.
Cam's got.

2058
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:40,800
Some people tried that too, and
if you've been to Blacksburg,

2059
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:41,880
you know that didn't work out
very.

2060
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,240
Well, hey, but I'm.
Going to picture you in a

2061
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:45,320
second.
I'm old, I'm old.

2062
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:48,000
Light up Tib's ass real quick,
Tib.

2063
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,560
You don't know about Oklahoma
culture football, because Bob

2064
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,800
Stoops was the fucking defensive
coordinator of Florida in the

2065
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,840
90s when they lit fucking people
up.

2066
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,240
When he got to Oklahoma in the
early 2000s, Oklahoma was a

2067
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:02,720
fucking defensive fucking beast.
They held fucking Florida State

2068
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:04,760
to two points in the national
championship games.

2069
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,240
Guess what?
The only way you score points is

2070
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,920
2 points is if you sacked the
fucking quarterback in the end

2071
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:13,440
zone.
They did have offensive culture

2072
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:16,000
there.
Over the last 25 years it has

2073
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,800
transitioned to an offensive
culture.

2074
01:47:18,440 --> 01:47:20,960
Listen, don't, don't fuck around
with me about fucking football

2075
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,520
history because I follow.
Hey, real, real interesting.

2076
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,960
Since Bob Stoops retired,
Oklahoma's won two bowl games

2077
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,400
and 1:00.
Of them did Coach Bob Stoops 1,

2078
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,880
Coach Bob Stoops the rest, Yeah.
And they lost the day to the

2079
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,320
Navy.
But by the way, they did the

2080
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:36,800
right thing.
You go for two at the end of the

2081
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:38,600
game in the bowl game, you try
to win the motherfucker.

2082
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,080
Hey, Chris, because you're down
in the 75 and.

2083
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,760
And this is a topic I did not
plan on bringing up tonight, but

2084
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,680
what has been that feeling with
Mike taking the Norfolk State

2085
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:52,400
job down there, man, Because
it's you live in.

2086
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,000
It and.
Is an icon down there.

2087
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,120
Yeah, well, Mike's not just an
icon down here, Mike's an icon

2088
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,480
nationally.
I think that's one of the the

2089
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,640
best redemptive stories anybody
could ever talk about.

2090
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,920
But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of torn
in in the midst of it because my

2091
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:13,520
daughter goes to Norfolk State
and she's been on my ass for not

2092
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:17,000
having any Norfolk State gear.
And so I had to go buy stuff for

2093
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:21,800
Christmas just at Norfolk State.
But it's a great opportunity for

2094
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:26,040
him and to get a lot of the
kids.

2095
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:30,880
Y'all know, every kid is
thinking, hey, I should go play

2096
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:36,280
big time power for football.
And a lot of kids have had

2097
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:37,680
Norfolk State on the back
burner.

2098
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:39,960
We're like, OK, if I don't get
there, then I'm going to end up

2099
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,280
going to Norfolk State.
Well, that's going to shift

2100
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,080
because they're going to have to
get their one.

2101
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:48,520
I can still think they're going
to be kids that are going to

2102
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,240
send gold P4 schools and because
they're still going to love

2103
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,880
that, but you're still going to
get a higher grade talent ball

2104
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:59,280
player, especially with ODU here
in this last cycle, not taking

2105
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,840
1757 kid yeah, you, but you're
following.

2106
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,800
So I think it's it's huge in the
area.

2107
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:09,360
The impact is great.
Everybody's excited and he's

2108
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:10,720
he's going to get an
opportunity.

2109
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,120
He's going to get some time.
What?

2110
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:13,240
What?
Do you think about what do you

2111
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,040
think?
Because my thoughts on it was,

2112
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:17,000
man, why didn't Tech bring them
on?

2113
01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:19,720
But it's great for Norfolk
State.

2114
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,480
It's great for the 757.
I'm really excited about him

2115
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,640
going in there.
Yeah, but.

2116
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,240
And he still loves Virginia
Tech, right?

2117
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,720
He still loves Virginia Tech.
So, yeah, he still loves Tech.

2118
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:33,000
Could this be sort of a farm, a
farming program to where he he's

2119
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,760
recruiting, developing talent.
He he's going to keep, he's

2120
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,560
going to want to win his games.
But where he could funnel some

2121
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,240
talent to Virginia Tech out of
the 757 after getting some

2122
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,400
snacks?
Well, we got, we got, we got a

2123
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:48,040
big enough farm system in the
757 that because of pride,

2124
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,160
because of the relationships
with Fontelle Mines and JC and

2125
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,760
all these guys, we got enough
people that get the best players

2126
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,040
out of here.
So it's not going to take for

2127
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,120
Mike A, I'm going to store a kid
over here and I'm going to give

2128
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,840
him, Nah, there's enough,
there's enough talent to go

2129
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,320
around.
You know, with the new thing,

2130
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,320
with the JUCO guys going, I feel
bad for a kid that's in high

2131
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,040
school right now.
I'm going to be totally honest

2132
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:14,680
with you because unless you're a
top a top tier kid, that's

2133
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,520
probably going to turn around
and end up being a problem

2134
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,880
because because people have to
win.

2135
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:22,040
OK, So they'll go get the best
first, second or third best JUCO

2136
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:25,280
player, bring him into play for
a year or two and then turn

2137
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:28,560
around and get and you got 2003
thousand kids jumping in a

2138
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,400
portal.
That high school kid is going to

2139
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:35,880
have to come in and be elite and
having that whole year.

2140
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,760
They're going to have to come in
and know they're going to be

2141
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,560
they're going to red shirt, you
know, and and it doesn't matter

2142
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,920
because they won't have the time
to be better than a guy who's

2143
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,360
been on even a JUCO training
table to be able to come and

2144
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,280
outperform him.
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, the

2145
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,760
big, the biggest thing for most
kids when they sit, man, is they

2146
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,000
just ain't, they ain't big.
They haven't been eating enough

2147
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,800
at home.
Mom and daddy ain't been able to

2148
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,800
feed them enough.
You can get fun in to play

2149
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,200
Division One football.
That is the big thing you're

2150
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:03,720
dealing with.
So.

2151
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:05,800
So let's and then.
Tackle this a little bit too

2152
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:11,000
because you know, Maddie, you
brought up Cam Chancellor.

2153
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:17,800
What I see is that you're going
to see some kids like Cam

2154
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,960
because in today's game, Cam
would not have gotten AP4 ride,

2155
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:23,920
let's be honest.
Zero chance.

2156
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,080
Yeah, zero chance in.
Today's game, he would not have

2157
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,720
gotten AP4 ride.
You're going to see guys like

2158
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:32,680
that get a chance at a Norfolk
State and then when they

2159
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,840
develop, they going to take that
big jump.

2160
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:39,160
There you go, that's it.
Kim also wouldn't have been as

2161
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,320
overlooked.
Now recruiting's a lot different

2162
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,320
recruiting services.
That is fair, but I'm saying

2163
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,640
you're not going to see a a a a
2 1/2 star quarterback out of

2164
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:52,280
high school get a get AP4 look.
Well, well, that's, that's kind

2165
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,280
of what I said earlier, right?
I mean, that's kind of exactly

2166
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:55,360
what I said.
That's what I'm saying.

2167
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,600
That's why I wanted to piggyback
on that and kind of circle back

2168
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,400
to that point relative to the
VIX situation.

2169
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:04,200
It's harder for the high
schoolers to get in and actually

2170
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,840
get into a good program now
because of the transfer portal.

2171
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,160
And like I was saying earlier,
why would you roll the dice?

2172
01:52:11,480 --> 01:52:13,720
Why when you can go out and get
a known quantity?

2173
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:15,640
When?
You can actually see how they

2174
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,240
perform on a level like this
before.

2175
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,400
Yeah, there's going to be these
fucking superstars that you go

2176
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,720
out and you swing on.
But everything has changed

2177
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:26,520
because of me and I on the
transfer portal.

2178
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,640
And I'm not saying it's bad.
Honestly, I think it gives us an

2179
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:33,800
advantage over a lot of programs
because we still have like a top

2180
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,880
30 NIL.
We're still in a good position

2181
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,680
to where we can go out and we
can swing and we can Moneyball

2182
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:40,720
and we can put a good team
together out of nowhere.

2183
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,040
Yes, we can.
So it's not necessarily bad, it

2184
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:45,840
just sucks for these high
schoolers.

2185
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:48,240
Yeah, High school program right
now.

2186
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,960
It's, it's, it's crazy right now
for high school kids just trying

2187
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,640
to get recruited.
One of my, my good friends, his

2188
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,800
son is going to ECU as a
linebacker coming out of

2189
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:02,640
Huntsville, AL.
So it, it's just watching him go

2190
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:04,280
through that, the, the
recruiting.

2191
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,400
Yeah, watching him go through
the recruiting process and, you

2192
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,080
know, listening to his stories
and things like that, it's

2193
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,520
crazy.
And it takes a lot of work for a

2194
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:17,200
high school kid that has talent
to get to the next level because

2195
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:20,240
of the transfer portal and how
many people are in it and things

2196
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,240
like that.
But I'm have to hop out for you

2197
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:24,200
guys in just a minute.
I did want to say something,

2198
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:26,960
though, before I get out of here
because I've seen a couple

2199
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,800
people talking about it in the
chat and just reiterating on it.

2200
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,320
Like Mike Vick, that's my guy.
Like that's when somebody says

2201
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:38,560
like, who is your heroes even on
and off the court, like Mike

2202
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,760
Victoria and Kobe is, is that's
my heroes.

2203
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,360
And not just because of what
they did on the court is because

2204
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:48,040
they made mistakes and they came
back from a different way, you

2205
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:49,840
know what I'm saying?
And they addressed those issues

2206
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:54,400
and and got better from them.
But when we're just talking

2207
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,320
football and not, you know, the
love of a of a player or what

2208
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,040
he's done on the field, Virginia
Tech couldn't.

2209
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,080
Like I've seen people keep
saying Virginia Tech couldn't

2210
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,040
bring Michael Vick in and make
him a coach.

2211
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,880
I mean, they could, but if it
fails, where does he go from

2212
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,120
there?
You know, it's kind of the same

2213
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:14,880
thing of like, I feel so bad for
Jay Ham because Jay Ham had 0

2214
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,680
experience and he got thrown
into being a defensive

2215
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,080
coordinator and we fucking ate
him up and he'll never be able

2216
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,680
to coach up Virginia Tech again
because because of what he did

2217
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,920
his first stint.
So what if Mike Vick comes in,

2218
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,520
he tries to help with the
quarterbacks or does something

2219
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,480
to some extent with zero
coaching experience and it turns

2220
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:37,280
out horrible and then like
you've ruined the legend.

2221
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:40,880
Nobody wants to see that.
So he has to go that route of

2222
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:43,320
feel how you want to feel about
Dionne.

2223
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,280
I feel like Dionne talks too
much sometime, but I got to give

2224
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,560
Dionne his credit.
Dionne went that route.

2225
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,040
He went to Jackson State, he
said I'm going to go and get the

2226
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,640
best.
He got Travis Hunter and he

2227
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:59,040
turned Travis Hunter into a
Heisman Trophy winner.

2228
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:00,600
You know, I got to give Dean
that credit.

2229
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,760
I'm not saying Mike Vick will do
that, but he did open eyes for

2230
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,480
people to give, you know, former
athletes a chance.

2231
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,560
Because when you have somebody
like them or Michael Vick or

2232
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,280
even Deshaun Jackson, I don't
know how where it goes.

2233
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:18,120
But I'm saying in the old style
of football, In the old style of

2234
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,960
football, they probably wouldn't
have gave them chance.

2235
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,400
And you got other people
coaching too.

2236
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:25,040
We got other.
Players coaching Georgia.

2237
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:28,800
You got any George out?
There any Georgians coaching

2238
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,560
doing a good job at at Tennessee
State.

2239
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,520
So it things are changing.
You know what I'm saying?

2240
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,680
And I, and I'm glad to see it,
but I don't want to not say

2241
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,000
nobody, nobody said, oh, go
ahead, go ahead.

2242
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,480
But to your point about Michael
Vick, everybody, because I've

2243
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,280
seen some of these hate comments
too, and I want to punch him in

2244
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,600
the face, but I'm not.
I'm going to the Bugs Bunny and

2245
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,080
kiss him on the cheek.
But if you haven't read his

2246
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:56,720
book, then I suggest you do so
before you have any judgments

2247
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,760
about that man.
He served his time, he did what

2248
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,720
he he had to do.
He's admitted to his wrongs and

2249
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,680
hit in his book.
It's very clearly laid out about

2250
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,360
the man that he is now.
So for all the Michael Vick

2251
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:12,680
hate, get the fuck out of here.
That boy from the 757.

2252
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,800
Him and Allen Iverson changed
both the perspective sports.

2253
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,760
They both came from Virginia and
put some respect on that man's

2254
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:22,040
name.
Because of what he's done.

2255
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:25,680
Michael Vick, because he's what
he's done afterwards, has done

2256
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:31,160
more for animal advocacy and
actually advancing taking care

2257
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:34,200
of animals than almost anyone
else in existence.

2258
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,200
So fuck all y'all but also
people don't.

2259
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:38,520
Understand the.
Cultural.

2260
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,560
Nation in which these things are
fostered.

2261
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,560
It's a there's a there's a whole
bunch behind it.

2262
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,560
So before you have a stupid
opinion online like I do often,

2263
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:51,400
try to at least read into it a
little bit.

2264
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,080
Michael Vick is a good.
Man, that'll take you down a

2265
01:56:55,080 --> 01:57:02,560
whole another.
Rabbit, you know, I've always

2266
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:05,840
wanted to sit down with Dwight
and tell them, Zach, how I feel

2267
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,400
about it.
Most people won't understand it.

2268
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,360
Some people will understand it.
But you.

2269
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:15,200
Know yeah, yeah, that's a
totally.

2270
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:19,840
Different conversation.
I had a conversation with some

2271
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:24,000
true animal lovers about that
situation and they probably

2272
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,800
think I'm the Antichrist or
something because of what I said

2273
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:30,280
about a couple of different
things that was going on.

2274
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,960
And this was right in the middle
of it.

2275
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,320
Because I can't believe you
support him during this.

2276
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:38,440
And I'm like man, I didn't see
some stuff where I come from.

2277
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:41,080
I'm just tell you like y'all see
people going out and killing

2278
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:43,200
elephants and Jaguars and stuff
like that.

2279
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:44,760
Like that stuff look weird to
me.

2280
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,480
But when I see anyway, I ain't
going to get on that tonight,

2281
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:49,200
y'all.
I got to get off here.

2282
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,600
I love y'all.
But don't have a good one man

2283
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,120
enjoy which wife.
Man, win some money for me.

2284
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:59,920
Man, I'm about to go bet on some
games.

2285
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:01,720
Hell.
Yeah, you think?

2286
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,000
Something about Michael?
Vick, Something about Michael

2287
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,240
Vick that doesn't ever get
brought up that I like that

2288
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:12,040
people need to realize is this
man, he could have filed Chapter

2289
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:15,400
7 bankruptcy and not paid shit.
Like he would have been off the

2290
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:17,080
hook.
Like you could have liquidated

2291
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,720
his assets.
He wouldn't have owed any money.

2292
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:23,240
He chose to file to to pay his
debts back completely.

2293
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,240
All of my my.
Millions of dollars.

2294
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:29,320
He chose to pay it back.
Character well.

2295
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:33,400
I mean, again, because I grew up
in Blacksburg, he's he's a lot

2296
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,800
different to me.
Kids couldn't afford school

2297
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,480
clothes before he showed up in
Blacksburg.

2298
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,640
Yep, we were automatic ran
through this town because of

2299
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,280
Michael Vick.
We were I love Michael or and I

2300
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:47,040
love my dogs, man, I love it I.
Mean Michael Michael Vick.

2301
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:48,960
I mean, my parents are more
affluent.

2302
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:53,560
A lot of my friends parents are
more affluent only because the

2303
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,760
area became more profitable and
that only happened on the legs

2304
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:58,920
of Michael Vick and so he will
always be hero to me.

2305
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,640
You didn't even need to try
here.

2306
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,600
You could just sit on real
estate forever and you'd be rich

2307
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,200
in Blacksburg.
It was worth fucking dirt.

2308
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,480
I love this entire thing and I,
I made a whole thing about it.

2309
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:14,400
Like it's everyone in Blacksburg
just like, Oh no, we need to

2310
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,160
stay this little small town and
they idealized like the 19

2311
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,640
fucking 50s when no one wanted
to fucking live here.

2312
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:25,720
It's ridiculous.
There is a huge contingent in

2313
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,360
this town that wants to hold the
entire goddamn fucking town back

2314
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,000
all the time, and it's
ridiculous.

2315
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:36,440
And hey, that's just Jeremy.
Blacksburg on the On the rocks,

2316
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:38,440
ladies.
And gentlemen, rocks, we just.

2317
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:43,600
Miss that?
Often, so they might need to go

2318
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,120
and get some experience under
his belt because there's a

2319
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:49,040
difference between being a high
level player and being able to

2320
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,800
coach on a high level.
It's two different, two

2321
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,960
different things.
Get some experience and then I

2322
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:56,560
would love to see him again.
Honestly, that would make my

2323
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,440
heart sing.
I would.

2324
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:02,000
Love to, it's also a different
thing, but if shame when it came

2325
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,840
here 1st and failed he'd have
been fucked too.

2326
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,040
Well, there's play.
There's play left, and there's

2327
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,200
still a Game of Thrones
redemption arc for him.

2328
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:11,800
The banished son returns to
claim the King's throne.

2329
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:14,080
There's still that arc.
For shame.

2330
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:19,440
I don't know we.
Know how Chris feels?

2331
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:23,040
About Shane, we know.
How Chris feels about Shane

2332
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:27,840
Beamer that.
Whole fantasy about Shane on

2333
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,720
your own, yeah.
But I guess, I guess from

2334
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,840
somebody, you know, like me, I
guess, and maybe this is stupid,

2335
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:37,360
maybe it's ignorant.
I just want somebody who has to

2336
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,440
care about it.
Like I feel like Shane would

2337
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,480
have to care about it because
it's his.

2338
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:43,440
Dad, I think.
I mean, I think.

2339
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,360
Like that, I want somebody who.
Cares.

2340
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:48,240
I feel like pride has to care
about no.

2341
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,120
Prep no pride care about it?
Don't.

2342
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:52,880
Care he don't.
He don't care about it.

2343
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,520
It is.
This was his bump.

2344
02:00:55,040 --> 02:01:00,360
Yeah, this, this, this next year
is he's got to make, he's got to

2345
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:03,920
make a stride.
He he had a shirt out last year

2346
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:06,320
3.
I got it.

2347
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:08,480
Oh, hold on.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2348
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:12,000
Hey.
Man, that, that shirt is

2349
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:13,720
everything, you know what I'm
saying?

2350
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:17,000
And, and I'm and I'm a gearhound
and that's the one shirt that I

2351
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:18,320
don't have.
It's two shirts I don't.

2352
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:19,280
Have.
I don't have that I've.

2353
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:22,880
Been dying to get but that
three, that 37 question mark

2354
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,200
one, there you go.
Go and go and show it.

2355
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:31,040
That's huge That that question.
Yeah, that that question mark

2356
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,160
shirt was supposed to be double
digit wins.

2357
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,760
Now he's got he's got to be to
the point.

2358
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,920
Whatever slogan they come in
this year, it's got to be about

2359
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,760
getting to 8-9 wins.
You know what I'm saying?

2360
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:45,720
It's a six shirt still.
Oh, it's still high.

2361
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:51,560
Yeah.
And so, so that's that's, that's

2362
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:52,640
you.
That's that's.

2363
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,680
That's.
That's the number, so you're.

2364
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:56,600
Saying dove dove emojis in the
chat.

2365
02:01:56,840 --> 02:02:00,000
So at at best it's going to be
377 at this point.

2366
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:03,120
Yeah, it's going to be 377.
Yeah, yeah, it's 377.

2367
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:06,720
But this this year is huge.
This everything was pointing

2368
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:11,040
towards, you know, we thought 23
but the every them coming back,

2369
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:14,960
we had this high expectation of
everybody was going to come back

2370
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:18,200
and tick up.
But I'm going to be told on.

2371
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:21,680
To you I.
I think only a few guys ticked

2372
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:26,400
up to the next level like we
talked about, yeah.

2373
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:29,160
You guys picked up?
Yeah, they didn't.

2374
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:31,560
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

2375
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:37,360
So base all ticked up.
APR ticked up, I think.

2376
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:41,040
Yeah, that's that, that's it for
me.

2377
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:44,040
That that took that next step.
That took the next step.

2378
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:46,080
You know what I'm saying?
Jay Lane was hurt.

2379
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:52,960
You know Jim SPTI just got to
say Pratt cares about it.

2380
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,960
It's the only thing that get him
out of Penn State.

2381
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:59,520
No, a few extra $1,000,000 a
year will also get him out of

2382
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,240
Penn State.
Let's not like.

2383
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:05,440
So we can say that there.
Was probably only a handful.

2384
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,240
Of jobs, probably.
Would have taken out of Penn

2385
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:08,880
State.
Let's let's be honest, there was

2386
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,280
a handful of jobs probably have
taken out of Penn State so.

2387
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,160
This is one of SO.
He cares, but he.

2388
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:17,480
Would not point if he didn't
give a shit.

2389
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:19,080
Exactly.
Oh yeah.

2390
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:21,920
Because hold on.
Because this is going to go

2391
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,760
back, you're right.
The last guy, because the last

2392
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:26,480
guy gave a shit.
He was hired about three to four

2393
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,080
people.
Woodson ticked up.

2394
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:30,400
Oh yeah, Woodson.
Yeah, Woodson definitely ticked

2395
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,960
up.
Yeah, Woodson took some, but

2396
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,240
Woodson was coming.
Let's talk about Jayden Keller.

2397
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,920
Jayden Keller finally took the
step we were expecting.

2398
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:41,040
It's probably a year too late
game, six year later than we

2399
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,200
wanted it to be.
But I think it came with him

2400
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:45,840
having but that that's when him
coming having a true Mike

2401
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:48,680
Brumfield, even though he may
have been undersized, he was

2402
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,520
still a true Mike to kind of
show him.

2403
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,320
And they've done that here.
Just from what I've seen,

2404
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,800
canteen was the guy that kind of
get Monsieur and strong to the

2405
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,560
point you can feel they were
good out there.

2406
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,920
That's why they kind of brought
these these cornerbacks in to

2407
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:06,600
kind of, you know, mentor
Lovett, mentor the Josh Clarkson

2408
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:10,320
and and the Christian Williamson
and things like that to mentor a

2409
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:11,880
Curettic.
So that's what's going to end up

2410
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:14,280
happening.
The kid from ECU is a film.

2411
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:15,560
How?
Dude, that dude.

2412
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:19,000
Yeah, right.
He is the He is the new canteen.

2413
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:21,480
Right.
So the, the the only, the only

2414
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:25,920
thing we've never had here is a
true might.

2415
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,880
The only problem is he gets
there January, he gets there

2416
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,120
January 19th.
When he gets there, you're going

2417
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:34,560
to you're going to have to kind
of do what Dabo did with Sammy

2418
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:37,520
Brown and you're going to have
to live with some of the

2419
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:39,360
mistakes.
You're going to have to live

2420
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,840
with it, play Keller, play
Clatter Bomb and live with some

2421
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:45,040
of the mistakes.
It's so it's, it's going to be,

2422
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:48,360
it's going to be very much.
Dax Hollyfield, 2018.

2423
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:50,240
Come on, you have to live with.
A little bit of that.

2424
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:52,720
You've got to live with a little
bit for the upside of what he

2425
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:54,520
going to end up be.
But then you butter Noah

2426
02:04:54,520 --> 02:04:57,800
Chambers beside him.
Noah, Noah Chambers being, you

2427
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:01,400
know, the kind of Fred Warner
type kind of kid having that,

2428
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:04,360
doing that, you know, my heart
goes out to my dude, you know,

2429
02:05:04,360 --> 02:05:06,360
and everybody keep praying for
my man Gabe.

2430
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:11,280
Gabe, Gabe is your extra.
He's your extra recruit in 26

2431
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:15,160
because he'll be back.
He'll be back then motivated

2432
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:19,240
bigger, stronger, faster.
And that's what's going to

2433
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,880
happen then.
So that that's that's the

2434
02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:23,560
biggest thing.
You're up the middle is going to

2435
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:27,400
be you're going to have a fall
off somewhat, but I still think

2436
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:31,040
Gilliam is going to be fine.
Copeland, Copeland going to come

2437
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,200
back healthy.
Gerard Johnson is going to come

2438
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:35,000
in there and be able to play.
You're going to have you're

2439
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,120
going to have hand Chuck be able
to play on the outside.

2440
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:38,360
You're going to get some guys
like that.

2441
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,800
Ace and Stevens is going to be.
Dandy's going to be good.

2442
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:47,400
Ace and Stevens has.
Has looked good.

2443
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:50,280
Man, if he can ramp that up to
40 snaps a game.

2444
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,760
Yeah, but the thing about it is
you're going to be able to have

2445
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:54,960
guys, you know, the since the
sincere kid.

2446
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,480
Yeah, I'm tampering.
They said the portal, You know,

2447
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,560
I would love him to come here
and, you know, and and be able

2448
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,160
to match up with him and him and
him and Ace and, you know,

2449
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:05,080
Burgos on the other side and
just.

2450
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:07,240
And then Dandy.
I'm just looking at it like

2451
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:08,200
that.
So.

2452
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:10,680
Chris, everybody, everybody else
tampering you might as.

2453
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:14,640
Well, do it.
Hey man, I'm on the Darius great

2454
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:17,680
tampering deal because I need as
many offensive lines as.

2455
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:19,960
I can get, man.
Hey, and why are we tampering?

2456
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:22,680
Why are we tampering?
Kyle Altuner, brother.

2457
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:25,440
Oh.
Baby, come on home.

2458
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:27,000
Baby, come on.
Home.

2459
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,560
The crib is the crib, baby.
Let's do this.

2460
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,200
Got me shit.
They should get everybody else.

2461
02:06:32,760 --> 02:06:36,320
Also, Tib Tib brought up a
really good point earlier.

2462
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:40,440
Yeah, absolutely calls out dogs.
Yes, he does.

2463
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,640
Overton.
Overton is going to be him.

2464
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:48,040
Good call Bag on him at law.
Oh man, Bags Bags is on fire.

2465
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:51,120
Yeah, Bags is on fire tonight.
Yeah, I forgot about I forgot

2466
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:52,640
about Aaron Donald 2 point O
the.

2467
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:55,840
The only thing in the comment
section?

2468
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:57,560
James Gilmore.
Y'all know anything about

2469
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,880
Priester from Hampton?
I know he follows Anthony

2470
02:06:59,880 --> 02:07:05,800
Poindexter on Twitter.
And he's not the only one.

2471
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,240
Yeah, he's not the only one.
So I, I, he's.

2472
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:11,440
Not the only one.
Yeah, I, I just think that we're

2473
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:13,840
going to, we're going to
continue to be a school that

2474
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:16,640
we're going to prize, going to
live in that in that high school

2475
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:18,720
area.
And I think if we do get API,

2476
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:22,520
think it's going to be able to
help us get some of those

2477
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:24,800
Pennsylvania recruits, get some
of those New Jersey recruits,

2478
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,080
still stay solid in, in Virginia
because I think we got a good,

2479
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,440
we, we boarded, we batten down
the hatches.

2480
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,120
Nobody's coming in here getting
all the guys.

2481
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:35,920
And we can go hit the barreling
Catholics as hard as we have,

2482
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:38,560
and even harder now.
Right, we can go get those cats.

2483
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:41,960
So I, I definitely think that
that's going going to be good.

2484
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:43,800
I I, you know, y'all were saying
about Poindex.

2485
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:46,560
I, he was the one guy that when
we were, when we were recruiting

2486
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:48,360
and he was the only guy that
talked to us.

2487
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,640
He was the only guy that went to
talked to us.

2488
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:55,320
We went to Penn State and and it
was really a disappointing trip

2489
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:58,760
for the kid because we had did
that time that's we had did a

2490
02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:03,000
trip.
We went we came to tech, then we

2491
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:07,600
went to Pittsburgh and we and we
did West Virginia.

2492
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:11,360
Then we did we went went up to
Ohio to see my my in laws and we

2493
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:13,800
came and did Pittsburgh and we
thought Penn State was going to

2494
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:17,520
be the cream of the crop and it
was highly disappointing.

2495
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:21,080
Love James Franklin didn't talk
to the wide receiver coach and

2496
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,240
Anthony Poindex was the only one
that sat there and talked to me

2497
02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:26,000
and my wife the whole time.
Good, good coach, good coach,

2498
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:28,560
good guy, solid guy.
When we came back up there

2499
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:31,800
because the kid wasn't going to
go back, he was like, hey, I'm

2500
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:33,920
not going going back up here for
nothing.

2501
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:37,720
They I mean, it was so bad.
We, we went to the junior day

2502
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:42,320
kind of like our hokey, like
our, our hokey fest where the,

2503
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:46,440
the class, the 20, I think at
that time it was a 22 class, 23

2504
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:47,320
class.
They were all coming.

2505
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:50,720
And then you had your high, high
no liable 23 guys.

2506
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:54,840
And when Key went there, he, you
know, he was like, man, I, I

2507
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:57,280
don't even like it.
And then matter of fact, the

2508
02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:59,920
wide receiver coach came down in
the hotel.

2509
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:02,880
He was walking past us and he
was like yeah, I'm about to go

2510
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,720
holler at one of my buddies and
didn't even talk to Keith.

2511
02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:07,400
He said OK well that kind of
ends the deal for me.

2512
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:12,120
I'm not coming back up here Yeah
and and yeah so you know they

2513
02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:16,280
they kind of were out but but
point that's to talk to us the

2514
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:18,760
whole time was very personable.
Good, good guy.

2515
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:21,880
Remember this when we came back
up for the Penn State, Ohio

2516
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:23,680
State game?
We don't mean we went there that

2517
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:25,840
time because we wanted to see
Marvin Harris in the real life.

2518
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:27,760
I ain't gonna lie to you.
That's what I wanted.

2519
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:31,160
Real quick, follow this
coaching.

2520
02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:33,840
Staff.
This coaching staff since day

2521
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:36,400
one when they decided to recruit
the portal because the first

2522
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:39,880
year it was many portal guys,
which I think we all said was

2523
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,640
you lay the culture, whoever's
here, if you're good enough to

2524
02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:47,000
play, you play.
They have hit the portal pretty

2525
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:48,640
fun good.
They are good at actually

2526
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:53,280
analyzing guys and saying that
guy fits, that guy fits, that

2527
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,240
guy fits.
Thank you for bringing that up.

2528
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,920
But y'all, what else is going to
happen because the the move

2529
02:09:58,920 --> 02:10:04,680
looks like Poindexter.
Poindexter is the guy at safety

2530
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:08,840
and he's going to be the DC.
Go ahead.

2531
02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:11,360
Put the one James put up.
James is always on here with us.

2532
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:18,280
It does that happen?
Yes, yes.

2533
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:21,760
I think right now you're, he's
like auditioning for this,

2534
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,960
right?
Because he's, he's leading the

2535
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:26,280
bowl prep and he's he's coaching
it in the bowl.

2536
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:32,440
So there would be some sort of
proof in the pudding, so to

2537
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:34,400
speak, on that one.
Yes.

2538
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:37,720
That that's, you know, we talked
about as far as coaching

2539
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:40,960
changes, you know, Ferg being
the in house hired that we're

2540
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:44,680
comfortable with.
If AP is the guy, ADB at

2541
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:48,160
linebackers is the only other in
house hire that I'm good with.

2542
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:52,400
Absolutely, Absolutely.
And I guess I mean, there have

2543
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:55,600
been talked or people brought it
up, I guess out of, you know,

2544
02:10:55,600 --> 02:11:01,000
all season boredom or whatever.
But JSJ is don't have a job and

2545
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:05,200
he's great with high school
recruiting and DNS.

2546
02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:10,720
Would they would they put our
guy JC just on defensive tackles

2547
02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:15,520
and bring this guy in for the
edges and the in home high

2548
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,720
school recruiting Jeremy don't
laugh at.

2549
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:20,920
Edging though is AP bringing
anybody with him because you're

2550
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:22,760
breaking this with.
The guy and.

2551
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:24,760
Getting well, Those
conversations are happening,

2552
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:27,000
Dave.
Well, I, I'm just I, I just

2553
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:28,880
think it's kind of silly.
I know nothing.

2554
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:31,520
We're not in a position, I don't
know, a.

2555
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:33,560
Damn thing I'm talking about.
Pride.

2556
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,480
Pride is not in a.
Position good for Maddie.

2557
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:38,280
Pride is not in a position to
promote from within.

2558
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:40,760
Why?
Not you're not wrong.

2559
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:44,840
Because he's not wrong, because
nobody under him would have been

2560
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:46,840
fostered.
Well, now, that doesn't mean

2561
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,680
that somebody down there doesn't
deserve it.

2562
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:52,360
I've been passed over a lot of
times for positions that I

2563
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:53,960
thought that I really earned and
deserved.

2564
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:56,360
But the the company didn't need
it at the time.

2565
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:59,480
They needed some outside
influence to come in and change

2566
02:11:59,480 --> 02:12:01,440
things around a little bit.
So that doesn't mean that

2567
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,440
anybody below there doesn't
deserve it or they couldn't do

2568
02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:05,960
the job.
Pry in.

2569
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:09,000
This may be his last season.
If he doesn't have a winning one

2570
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:12,680
is not in a position to promote
from within on a 500 team.

2571
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:16,120
You have to bring in somebody
from the outside.

2572
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,640
All right, so let me let me
throw this action because

2573
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:21,320
because what we're doing here,
what we're doing here, right?

2574
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:23,800
So if you bring in an APA PS
coaches safety, that means

2575
02:12:23,800 --> 02:12:26,920
Pearson's probably taking a off
the field roll again.

2576
02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:30,520
So you're still back in a
situation where you've got one

2577
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:35,640
guy that pretty much is a in
house hireright because Pearson

2578
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:40,280
outside of his credentials that
he didn't personally attained,

2579
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:44,280
he he wasn't a coach before he
took this off field role, right.

2580
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:47,960
So I would be good with the DB
stepping into that role when you

2581
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:52,240
got somebody like AP stepping
into safeties and Prelo taking

2582
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:56,600
more of an off the field or at
least a secondary type position

2583
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:59,160
role within this organization
because you're trading one for

2584
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:00,920
the other.
Well, I don't mind guys stepping

2585
02:13:00,920 --> 02:13:04,320
up in ancillary roles.
I I don't mind assistant coaches

2586
02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:07,240
being promoted from within.
I think with the DC though, I

2587
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:08,960
think it has to be an outside
hire.

2588
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:12,600
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You saying, you saying the

2589
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:14,400
coordinator for these?
Yeah, You saying for the

2590
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,760
coordinators, the guy, Yeah.
OK, but I just understood you

2591
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:18,360
there, Maddie.
Yeah.

2592
02:13:18,440 --> 02:13:21,440
Ain't no fucking way we hire in
internal for that for that.

2593
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:24,320
No.
Last time we do that in the

2594
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:25,400
short term.
Right.

2595
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:29,680
And and, and, and on the same
note, you already had a world

2596
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,800
class strength and conditioning
guy in the building before we

2597
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,480
brought in Deej.
I love Deej is a good guy, but

2598
02:13:35,480 --> 02:13:37,000
Jared Ferguson was a world
class.

2599
02:13:37,200 --> 02:13:39,360
He already had everything in
there and I think he's going to

2600
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:42,640
change the culture with the
strength and condition.

2601
02:13:42,640 --> 02:13:47,760
I mean, I was cracking up when I
cracked up, when, you know, I

2602
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,840
was talking to Dan, I was
talking to the kid, you know,

2603
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:52,160
first day, you know, we ain't
got no music.

2604
02:13:52,160 --> 02:13:54,400
We came to work.
I love that about Ferguson.

2605
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:57,400
So I love Coach Ferguson, I
love, you know, I love the old

2606
02:13:57,400 --> 02:13:59,680
staff.
But I think that higher within

2607
02:14:00,760 --> 02:14:02,880
changes the culture.
I think it changes the culture.

2608
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:06,160
Yeah, culture is big and I
think, you know, you talk about

2609
02:14:06,160 --> 02:14:07,600
the music.
I mean, there, there's something

2610
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:10,480
to that.
I think Ferg is going to bring

2611
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:14,120
an edge to strength and
conditioning that we haven't

2612
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:16,000
seen.
And we talked about it a few

2613
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:20,000
weeks back, like my day, you had
to be fucking afraid of your

2614
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:21,400
strength and the conditioning
coach.

2615
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,040
You did not want to see that
motherfucker walk in the

2616
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:26,360
building you.
You wanted to have a a healthy

2617
02:14:26,360 --> 02:14:30,240
fear of that person because he
you know that he's going to push

2618
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:31,880
you to your absolute fucking
edge.

2619
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:34,880
Absolutely.
So I, I, I, I like, I think, I

2620
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,280
think getting AP will be three
home runs.

2621
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:43,560
And I just think you're going to
have to do what they didn't want

2622
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:45,560
to do before and that's go play
the young guys.

2623
02:14:46,120 --> 02:14:50,680
There's, there's some younger
this, this 25 class is amazing.

2624
02:14:52,240 --> 02:14:54,120
You know, I've, I've had it on
record.

2625
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,600
I damn, they got everything I
wanted for Christmas.

2626
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:02,360
You know, I got, I got the
Loach, I got, you know, out and

2627
02:15:02,360 --> 02:15:04,400
going to Penn State was the only
thing that I didn't get on my

2628
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,040
wish list.
But my number one thing on my

2629
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:11,320
card was Jeffrey Overton, junior
and Lord, you know, you know, I

2630
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:13,680
had to ask the kid how he was
doing and, you know, he said

2631
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:17,400
little Jeff was out there acting
up doing bowl practices.

2632
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:21,680
So I'm excited about him.
So yeah, I think they're going

2633
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:25,360
to have to play those young kids
and, and just let let the tips

2634
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:26,880
fall where they may.
They're going to either love it

2635
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,160
here or want to stay here.
But you're going to have to play

2636
02:15:29,160 --> 02:15:32,080
them because we saw every time
we saw a young kid play last

2637
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:34,800
year, they showed out.
They showed out.

2638
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:40,600
And let's talk about how all all
these fucking ranking systems

2639
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:46,400
punished Overton for for what
was going on with Pops, because

2640
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:49,280
that was a fucked up situation.
Not even his dad or his uncle.

2641
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:52,800
I was confused as the article.
I, I don't give a damn what it

2642
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:56,400
was.
I I am not the only person in

2643
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:01,720
this rating system thing that
I'm in love with is Kobe

2644
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:04,240
Crawford.
Everybody else I'm not really a

2645
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:08,560
fan of because I watched it
happen to Jeffrey Overton

2646
02:16:08,560 --> 02:16:12,680
Junior, I watched it happen to
Chance Wiggins.

2647
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:15,080
I watched it happen to Garage
Johnson.

2648
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:17,880
Allen Adams.
Hey man, I don't, you know.

2649
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:19,080
Yeah.
Hey, you happen.

2650
02:16:19,080 --> 02:16:21,480
Hey.
We like the Matthews, Michael.

2651
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:22,920
Mad Brett.
Platterball.

2652
02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:26,880
I seen kids drop just because
they came here, not because they

2653
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:28,920
couldn't and it would be like
they didn't even do nothing on

2654
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:33,799
the field.
But for Jeff to be down 3334 in

2655
02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:36,360
the state, I'm telling you, I'm,
I'm selfish.

2656
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:39,400
I was glad he was down there so
folks who could forget about

2657
02:16:39,400 --> 02:16:41,000
him.
So when we got him, they would

2658
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,719
stop forgetting about, But he
was probably, he's a top 3-4

2659
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:47,480
player in the state of Virginia
hands down.

2660
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:50,440
Absolutely.
That dude, That dude right there

2661
02:16:50,440 --> 02:16:53,200
alone, I can say it.
He's the only kid that kept my

2662
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:55,120
kid from being a Gatorade player
of the year.

2663
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:59,440
He was the only kid to stop my
kid from being Gatorade player

2664
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:01,440
of the year.
That's how good Jeff is.

2665
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,160
That's how amazing.
Record-breaking receiver.

2666
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:07,000
Come on, man.
Keenan Adams, right, 22 state

2667
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:09,879
records and Jeffrey Olmans is
the tag on Gatorade Player.

2668
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:12,879
Of the year, that's how good.
Jeff is Jeff is a monster, man.

2669
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:17,840
Jeff is a monster.
Hey, so let let's talk about

2670
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,520
because we talked a little bit
about like the shuffling and and

2671
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:21,920
we talked about a little bit on
defense.

2672
02:17:22,600 --> 02:17:24,760
Is there some shuffling that
could happen on the offensive

2673
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:26,440
side of the ball from a coaching
standpoint?

2674
02:17:26,799 --> 02:17:28,760
And what would that look like?
I don't.

2675
02:17:28,760 --> 02:17:30,360
I don't.
Well, I think you made your

2676
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:33,840
biggest move when you got the
old line coach, I think.

2677
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:37,600
I think the one thing is tight
ends, I like them.

2678
02:17:37,719 --> 02:17:39,920
I love keeping Brent Davis on
the on the set.

2679
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:44,360
I love him.
I think getting Stu to just

2680
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:47,040
focus on special teams because
there was a point in time of

2681
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,959
season Stu was not my best
friend during the season.

2682
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,719
I was I was really upset when I
was really upset with Coach

2683
02:17:53,719 --> 02:17:55,240
Hope.
I'll be honest with you.

2684
02:17:57,240 --> 02:17:59,520
Come on.
Champ, I mean, there was a game

2685
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:02,080
that I can name in every game
there was a problem.

2686
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:05,280
You know, we don't want to go
back to 00, you know what I'm

2687
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:06,200
saying?
We don't want to talk about

2688
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:07,639
getting a black punt against
Marshall.

2689
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,440
We want to talk about having 2
numbers the same again and not

2690
02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:12,840
getting called for it.
Come on man.

2691
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:14,840
Miami.
Hey, but that's my dog.

2692
02:18:14,840 --> 02:18:18,240
I love Sue, but hey, Sue was on
Sue was on the fence, but you

2693
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,559
know, Sue did some things to
make make things come back, you

2694
02:18:21,559 --> 02:18:23,840
know, just keep.
Yeah, that that, that that block

2695
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,320
kick for a touchdown in the
Clemson game was pretty crazy.

2696
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:29,280
And he got away with, he got
away with a lot of murder

2697
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:30,879
because of that.
I mean.

2698
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:34,799
He's always had all all all
world kicker, punter and return.

2699
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:38,480
I mean, I mean still.
He develops his his specialist.

2700
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:40,040
I'll give.
Him that I mean he develops.

2701
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:41,920
It and you see everything
happen.

2702
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:46,639
I think the question goes is if
Brent, David, because you said

2703
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:49,639
coach Davis at tight end, Chris.
I like him now.

2704
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:52,799
Because remember now NCAA's
blowing the fuck up.

2705
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:55,320
It's not the way we grew up with
it in all of us.

2706
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:59,400
I know we I'm we're all in this
same about 10 years span.

2707
02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:03,480
Maddie, I know you're in your
mid 30s, so we're all in this

2708
02:19:03,480 --> 02:19:05,639
about 10 years span.
Is if.

2709
02:19:05,639 --> 02:19:09,240
Stu Holt literally gets named
special teams coordinator.

2710
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:12,480
He could be special teams
coordinator but never go on the

2711
02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:16,559
road as a one of the 11.
You all know that, right?

2712
02:19:17,360 --> 02:19:19,559
Right, OK.
You know that like he could be

2713
02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:22,280
the special teams coordinator
but but not be assigned to one

2714
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:23,480
of the guys who goes on the
road.

2715
02:19:24,280 --> 02:19:27,920
That shit can happen nowadays.
Like you can have an offensive,

2716
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:31,639
a defensive coordinator and then
never go on the road to be a

2717
02:19:31,639 --> 02:19:32,840
recruiter.
Yeah.

2718
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,240
OK.
Like because, because vice

2719
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:38,080
versa.
Everything is shaped now in the

2720
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,799
NCAA.
You don't have to have yet a

2721
02:19:40,799 --> 02:19:43,400
doors open back there.
If y'all didn't notice, you see

2722
02:19:43,400 --> 02:19:44,840
my hats.
It's all good.

2723
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:47,799
OK, Speaking of backgrounds, I
have to address this before it

2724
02:19:47,799 --> 02:19:49,880
bursts out of my chest like an
alien.

2725
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:55,160
Matty B, you have more
Ghostbuster like memorabilia in

2726
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:58,640
your background than anyone I've
ever seen and I fucking love it

2727
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:01,360
because I love Ghostbusters more
than fucking anything.

2728
02:20:01,560 --> 02:20:05,120
The first Ghostbusters I think
is probably my favorite film of

2729
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:07,720
all time.
It's, it's mine as well.

2730
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:11,080
And yes, I, it is a, it is a
thing.

2731
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:13,960
Once I made it up, I grew up
poor.

2732
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:16,280
I grew up in Blacksburg, VA.
I mean, we, I grew up in a

2733
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:19,720
trailer park by Ramble Ridge Rd.
I don't know if you guys know

2734
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:21,680
where that is in black by the
airfield.

2735
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:24,840
But before those townhouses
were, there was a trailer park.

2736
02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:27,080
And so I was poor.
So the second I got enough

2737
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:29,680
money, I decided I was going to
make my own thing.

2738
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:33,360
So I built my own Proton pack.
I have my, my flight suit back

2739
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:36,720
there and I use that.
I go out, we raise money.

2740
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:40,600
Last year we did about $25,000
for the for the kids.

2741
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:44,280
So yeah, Ghostbusters is a big
thing for me, so thank you for

2742
02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:45,480
nothing.
Fuck yeah, man.

2743
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:47,320
Yeah, dude.
Come on, man.

2744
02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:49,920
Hey.
We're talking about position

2745
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:54,800
shuffling maybe?
Tim, that is my palace, also

2746
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,480
known as my man cave.
Witness.

2747
02:20:57,160 --> 02:21:00,200
Witness.
Yeah, also I have the picture of

2748
02:21:00,200 --> 02:21:02,280
me in the background.
Good thing we're not past

2749
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:04,360
January 20th.
There might be a drone strike

2750
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:04,840
coming in.
That's.

2751
02:21:05,360 --> 02:21:06,520
Right.
Yeah, Dan, what you got?

2752
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:11,760
Quarterback Coach.
Question mark, question mark.

2753
02:21:11,880 --> 02:21:15,960
Hey, you know, you know, we we
had addressed that a little bit

2754
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:17,400
on here.
We had talked about all right,

2755
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:20,680
so if we're if we're if we're
shuffling offensive side of the

2756
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:24,560
ball, are you shuffling Bowen
back to tight ends and are you

2757
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:27,800
bringing in a QB coach?
If you're if you're making Stew

2758
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:30,760
Holtz, your full time special
teams coordinator, taking a

2759
02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:33,440
position group away from him?
Is that what you do?

2760
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:35,880
I think I know what Chris is
going to say and Chris is going

2761
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:37,840
to say I don't want a tight end
coach calling plays.

2762
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:43,040
I want my OC focus on the
offense, OK?

2763
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:47,360
That's what I want my OC doing.
But you have a quarterback

2764
02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:51,320
coach.
You have one.

2765
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:52,800
Brian Crist is your quarterback
coach.

2766
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:56,160
And and if anyone doubts that
Brian Crist can coach

2767
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:58,080
quarterbacks, his son plays at
West Virginia.

2768
02:21:58,360 --> 02:21:59,280
Ham and.
Sidney, baby.

2769
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:00,840
Yeah, he's spotless.
Baby.

2770
02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:03,840
You know what I'm saying?
So let's let's let's get that

2771
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:09,200
out the way.
I, I just think the, the kid

2772
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:13,560
said something that that the
staff is going to have to do and

2773
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:15,720
it's going to be across the
board.

2774
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,080
You're going to have to kick
somebody.

2775
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:23,240
You got to cuss somebody out.
We've got this culture we want

2776
02:22:23,240 --> 02:22:25,960
this is home.
But I, I don't know about y'all,

2777
02:22:25,960 --> 02:22:27,840
I got cussed out of my home as a
kid.

2778
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:30,480
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I
didn't, I did not love my

2779
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:34,040
parents any less than, you know,
anybody else that's going to

2780
02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:37,080
they're going to have to turn
the heat up in some areas to

2781
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:41,200
challenge some kids and be able
to do some certain things and

2782
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,400
they and they going to have to
grow up and man up on some on

2783
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:45,040
certain things that make things
happen.

2784
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,480
So Brian, Chris is your
quarterback coach.

2785
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:51,040
I do want I I want, I want Brent
Davis in the building.

2786
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:53,200
I love what he brings,
especially with the run game and

2787
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:55,240
the different things we can
throw into the run game.

2788
02:22:56,560 --> 02:23:02,240
I want my OC focusing on the the
one thing, the one thing Bowen

2789
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:05,240
said to me in a recruiting, he
said, I'm going to get you to

2790
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:07,920
rock and I just need him to get
guys to rock.

2791
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:11,160
But I believe if you can protect
it, and I, I think I said this

2792
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:14,080
to Dan, if you can protect it,
then you can run it.

2793
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:16,600
And if you can run it, then you
can play action it.

2794
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:19,280
And if you can play action it,
you get one-on-one coverage.

2795
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:24,240
If you get one-on-one coverage,
we win.

2796
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:25,760
That's it.
This is why.

2797
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:27,960
This is why.
This is why Matt Moore is

2798
02:23:27,960 --> 02:23:29,040
pivotal.
Yep.

2799
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:32,840
Yes, yes.
I mean, if you can do that, if

2800
02:23:32,920 --> 02:23:34,880
you.
Can if that's the higher that

2801
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:38,920
that hits, then that's going to
change the trajectory of what

2802
02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:41,400
this.
Program but but but hold on real

2803
02:23:41,400 --> 02:23:43,560
quick.
Every single person in here

2804
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:45,880
Brian Siegler is Matt Moore big
nut hire.

2805
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:47,120
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

2806
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:50,880
Jeremy, Big nut hire.
Yes.

2807
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:53,960
Chris.
I'll throw it on the table.

2808
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:56,600
Dan.
Massive nuts.

2809
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:58,880
Maddie.
No.

2810
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:03,160
I I but no.
No, give it to me, Maddie.

2811
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:04,880
No, let it be sad.
Give it to me.

2812
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:07,480
Maddie, go ahead.
I'm not saying no because he's

2813
02:24:07,480 --> 02:24:09,600
terrible.
I'm not saying no because he's a

2814
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:12,160
bad hire.
I'm saying no, because how great

2815
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:15,960
did West Virginia do last year?
West Virginia The only thing

2816
02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:17,960
good about that offense was that
offensive line that.

2817
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,720
Offensive.
Line OK, OK, well, that's fine.

2818
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:24,240
All I'm saying is it's not like
we're bringing in Alabama's

2819
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:25,640
online coach.
We're not bringing it.

2820
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:28,720
You know, I always, I always
take it as a win.

2821
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:31,800
Anytime we can take anything
from West Virginia, that's a win

2822
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:35,160
to me.
I, I love that, but I don't know

2823
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:36,560
that.
It's like, I don't know, I'm not

2824
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:39,400
swinging my nuts on it.
I'm not going to the bar and,

2825
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,120
and being like, oh, we just
signed Matt.

2826
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:44,080
More like nobody even knows who
that guy is outside of that

2827
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:46,800
region.
Like, I don't know, I, I, we'll

2828
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:48,080
see.
We'll see what it is.

2829
02:24:48,360 --> 02:24:53,440
You can find me at PK's.
Hey, the only other guy would

2830
02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:55,440
have taken over Matt Moore was
Marcus Johnson.

2831
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:57,960
As as far as guys that are
available and reasonable in

2832
02:24:57,960 --> 02:25:00,400
terms of where we are as a
program, right?

2833
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:03,080
I you talk about Alabama, we're
we're not going to go and eat

2834
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:05,400
nuts off Alabama State.
I just say you got to show

2835
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:07,400
something to me at this point.
I I get that point.

2836
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:11,120
I'm saying of the guys that were
going to be available, Matt

2837
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:13,760
Moore and Marcus Johnson were
one A1B and we got.

2838
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,840
One A1.
BI don't think our offensive

2839
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:19,040
line was that bad last year
besides #70 Parker Clements, to

2840
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:23,160
be honest with you, I think if
that right edge is is secure, I

2841
02:25:23,160 --> 02:25:25,800
don't think it's that terrible.
Look at the pass pro outside of

2842
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:28,040
Chaplain and Moore.
Outside of Chaplain and Moore,

2843
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:31,880
yeah man, I know new.
I mean, we'll see.

2844
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:33,680
We'll see how much of that's
coaching, how much of that's

2845
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:35,680
athletes.
I, I'm OK with the hire.

2846
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,360
I'm good with it.
I'm pass Pro is a problem, man.

2847
02:25:38,440 --> 02:25:40,400
I'm not right with such a
fucking problem.

2848
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:43,040
Now if if we if we're just
talking about can we run the

2849
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,960
football?
We did an OK job running the

2850
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:46,560
football.
Now Sheldon's going to bring up

2851
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:49,760
the point that yards before
contact was still.

2852
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:55,280
Pretty bad.
When you have basial toot and

2853
02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:57,120
breaking a ton of fucking
tackles that makes your

2854
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:58,680
offensive line look a whole lot
better.

2855
02:25:58,920 --> 02:26:00,960
And if he can break a tackle
that gets him to the second

2856
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:07,240
level, he is deadly.
I mean, we looked at, we saw a

2857
02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:10,040
lot of his big runs.
Once he got to the second level,

2858
02:26:10,200 --> 02:26:14,800
once a linebacker had to try to
hit him and he was bouncing on,

2859
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:18,680
he was gone.
Yeah, they didn't want, they

2860
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:21,520
didn't want to fight with him.
So like I said, if you get this

2861
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:24,560
offensive line to be a better,
just better athletes and better

2862
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:28,640
coach, and then you turn around
and you got guys, you know, not

2863
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:31,040
getting hit 4 yards, they're
down the field and going there,

2864
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:33,520
that just changes the whole
dynamic of the offense you get.

2865
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:37,320
To the second level without
getting contacted first, you get

2866
02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:39,320
a guy to the second level
without getting contacted,

2867
02:26:39,320 --> 02:26:41,680
versus you have to get contacted
and then breaking it.

2868
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,360
That's when you're going to get
into something.

2869
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:48,840
Well, here's the word as as much
as you want to say West Virginia

2870
02:26:48,840 --> 02:26:50,600
ran for more yards than we did
last year.

2871
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:52,320
They gave up less sacks than we
did last year.

2872
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:56,720
And if you look at the
development between Colt

2873
02:26:56,720 --> 02:27:00,440
Mckibbix, Zach Frazier, I am so
fucking pissed.

2874
02:27:00,440 --> 02:27:03,320
And 49ers did not take Zach
Frazier last year in the fucking

2875
02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:06,160
draft because that dude, you see
him up at Pittsburgh as a

2876
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:10,840
rookie, he is fucking elite.
He is an elite fucking center.

2877
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:13,640
He was under Matt Moore all four
of his years at West Virginia.

2878
02:27:14,760 --> 02:27:17,080
That's that's when.
I started looking.

2879
02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:20,080
He had what, 3 All Americans?
Mckibbich was the second team

2880
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:22,240
All American.
When you start seeing that many

2881
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:27,000
guys become good, it's like, no,
not going to run.

2882
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:29,720
Oh, we can.
We can knock Ron A.

2883
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:31,320
Little no, no, you're not going
to run.

2884
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:33,840
Well, no, no, no.
Somebody already buried Tally,

2885
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:34,920
buried Ron earlier.
So.

2886
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:38,640
But when you're talking about a
team.

2887
02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:40,400
So now we're pissing on his
grave a little bit.

2888
02:27:40,400 --> 02:27:43,600
Sorry about that.
We have to have our scabies.

2889
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:47,920
That's how we live, guys, and.
It's how we live in society.

2890
02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:51,280
Yeah, but.
But either way, they ran for

2891
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:55,200
more yards.
They gave up less sacks than us.

2892
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:59,320
As you start looking at that,
it's like why did they do that?

2893
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:02,520
Because they did not.
Go look at who they had.

2894
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:05,560
They did not have the running
back to capabilities of Basil 2.

2895
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:08,680
They did not.
Have.

2896
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:12,320
That's the.
Scary part is he went for 1100

2897
02:28:12,840 --> 02:28:16,720
with the low average offensive
line blocking.

2898
02:28:16,720 --> 02:28:19,120
And if you're in a year before,
yeah.

2899
02:28:19,880 --> 02:28:21,440
Did you look at the year before
with CJ Johnson?

2900
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:24,760
Yeah, with CJ Donaldson the year
before, yeah.

2901
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:28,200
CJ Donaldson was amazing, you
know.

2902
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:32,960
Yeah, I tweeted.
I was like, if you can get like

2903
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:38,040
create those holes, Terry and
Stewart is 220 lbs, you get him

2904
02:28:38,040 --> 02:28:41,080
running downhill.
Second level brother.

2905
02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:44,080
I don't know if any DBS going to
be able to take him down.

2906
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:47,640
That's true, but but damn what
he don't have and Brian pointed

2907
02:28:47,640 --> 02:28:49,920
out when he went here he don't
have turbo, no.

2908
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:53,280
He ain't got.
It in there, but we got people

2909
02:28:53,320 --> 02:28:55,040
for that.
He doesn't have the last year

2910
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:58,000
that that Tooten had.
Like Tooten could beat that guy,

2911
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:02,240
and then he could be, yeah.
Basil was very special.

2912
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:05,080
Yeah, he is special and I'm so
glad he got 1000.

2913
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:08,760
Yeah, so glad he got 1000 yards.
Yeah, somebody.

2914
02:29:09,640 --> 02:29:11,280
Yeah, somebody going to mess
around and get him in the fifth

2915
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,320
round and be like, Oh my God, we
didn't even know who this guy

2916
02:29:13,320 --> 02:29:14,880
was.
I hope it's Sean Payton.

2917
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:16,800
I'm man.
Oh God, nevermind.

2918
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:17,720
We're not going.
To get shit.

2919
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:19,520
Man, we're not going.
We're not, we're not going.

2920
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:22,640
We're not going to Sean Payton.
Fucking fucking Caleb Williams

2921
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:25,080
put a better number up than Bo
next put Caleb Williams on

2922
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:26,880
Denver.
Y'all be like 15 and one.

2923
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:29,760
I, I feel like we're always
going to get good running backs.

2924
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:31,640
We're historically a good
running back program.

2925
02:29:31,880 --> 02:29:33,680
It's like, that's why I always
feel like we should always have

2926
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:38,120
good DBS and that doesn't always
work out, but we have great

2927
02:29:38,120 --> 02:29:39,680
running backs out of Virginia
Tech.

2928
02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:43,280
You know I mean.
It's not really surprising to me

2929
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:45,200
that that he was able to to
come.

2930
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:49,120
He he's maybe since I don't know
what's it maybe David Wilson.

2931
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:51,120
He's probably the best running
back since.

2932
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:52,080
Then.
Herbert.

2933
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:52,600
Herbert.
Oh yeah.

2934
02:29:52,600 --> 02:29:54,640
Lil Harbert.
But he had to have Harvard,

2935
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,520
Khalil and.
Between Khalil and Dave that it

2936
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:59,080
was only Kavion McMillan that
went for 1000 plus.

2937
02:29:59,400 --> 02:30:06,240
But yeah, the time you were
there, Brian, Jeremy, Dan, that

2938
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:12,360
fucking 99 to like 2006 G or
2011.

2939
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:16,760
Jesus fucking Christ.
What a we were RBU for that

2940
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:20,760
period of time.
Yeah, we.

2941
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:24,880
Were RBU, we were fucking DBU.
We were a lot of use during.

2942
02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:27,920
That time period we were just.
Fucking pumping it out.

2943
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:28,800
Yeah, it.
Was.

2944
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,320
It was, it was so fucking good
back.

2945
02:30:31,360 --> 02:30:34,280
There and we didn't even get the
full Brandon Orr experience.

2946
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,920
I mean, it could have been.
It was one of those things where

2947
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:40,720
it was, it was cool to come to
Virginia Tech because we were

2948
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:45,080
this hot new team that was just
like, we had cool uniforms.

2949
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:50,720
We were, we were it then and
then, you know, it was played.

2950
02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:55,640
As a nasty brand of football,
which was dead, the guys that

2951
02:30:55,640 --> 02:30:59,120
weren't going to those flashy
programs or that got overlooked

2952
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,880
by those flashy programs.
I honestly, you, Corey Moores,

2953
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:05,200
I'm gonna go here and play four
years and I'm gonna kick your

2954
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:08,840
ass every fucking year.
I honestly think Corey Moore and

2955
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:12,160
the way he presented himself and
did the, you know what, the

2956
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:17,280
Terror Dome, the entire fucking
thing, I think that did so much

2957
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:20,520
for us as far as our
environment, as far as our

2958
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:25,000
pride, as far as our culture.
And I wouldn't say on the level

2959
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:28,760
of like what Mike Vick did, but
I think that is a close second.

2960
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:33,240
Just his mentality, just his
presentation.

2961
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:35,360
I think that did a lot for our
brand.

2962
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:39,880
I think we're like, you know,
Cornell Brown and take, you

2963
02:31:39,880 --> 02:31:45,240
know, Dwight did before that
even like the the way the brand

2964
02:31:45,240 --> 02:31:51,040
got built on knocking the piss
out of you just to knock the

2965
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:53,640
piss out of you.
Yeah, yeah, Barry.

2966
02:31:53,640 --> 02:31:54,200
Yeah.
Guys who?

2967
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:56,040
Yeah, guys who lay the hammer, I
think.

2968
02:31:56,120 --> 02:31:58,280
But I think you got you got some
young guys who?

2969
02:31:58,520 --> 02:32:01,400
Who who see it that way?
You know, the Caleb Wilson sees

2970
02:32:01,400 --> 02:32:04,480
it that way.
You know, he wants to hit you,

2971
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:07,200
you know, and the cute
reticence, they want to hit you.

2972
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:09,080
You know, the Dante Lovitz are
going to be physical.

2973
02:32:09,080 --> 02:32:10,120
They're going to be nasty with
you.

2974
02:32:10,120 --> 02:32:12,240
So I think that I think that's
coming back.

2975
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:14,280
I think that.
Kid, we just brought in Isaiah

2976
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:15,960
Cash.
That motherfucker hits dude.

2977
02:32:16,200 --> 02:32:19,160
Yeah, so I guess, but.
He's but I got to be honest with

2978
02:32:19,160 --> 02:32:20,480
the guys.
I've seen some of these social

2979
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:24,120
media pictures, Soft eyes, I
don't know, soft eyes.

2980
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:27,800
He looks like he looks like he
listens to a lot of Drake, a lot

2981
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:35,400
of Drake, a lot of Drake.
You can tell this.

2982
02:32:35,880 --> 02:32:37,720
Is that guy a lot of that's not
a.

2983
02:32:37,720 --> 02:32:40,320
Beast not like us.
Not like us.

2984
02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:42,960
Another guy used to lay the
wood.

2985
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:46,880
Michael Strahan's a giant teddy
bear, and he was a killer.

2986
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:50,680
But I'm thinking about like
Virginia Tech identity too.

2987
02:32:50,680 --> 02:32:51,920
You guys brought some great
names.

2988
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:54,320
But like we need like a Sam
Rogers back.

2989
02:32:54,760 --> 02:32:57,960
Like someone like that, like a
Sam Rogers, just chip on your

2990
02:32:57,960 --> 02:32:59,640
shoulder.
Always overlooked.

2991
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,240
I'm going to go out there and
make a damn play type of kid

2992
02:33:02,520 --> 02:33:05,480
like Sam Rogers was that for
tech for a long time.

2993
02:33:05,480 --> 02:33:07,480
And.
Those kids make the difference

2994
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:10,760
in a ball game.
Yeah, and we used to, we used to

2995
02:33:10,760 --> 02:33:14,320
eat on those 2 1/2 three star
kids and we used to develop them

2996
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:16,800
and turn them into monsters.
That doesn't mean you always go

2997
02:33:16,800 --> 02:33:20,200
to the NFL, but if Sam Rogers
walks into Blacksburg, that man

2998
02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:23,360
does not buy drinks.
I can tell you that he is a

2999
02:33:23,400 --> 02:33:26,680
legend where he's from.
But but that's going to happen

3000
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:29,840
now because what we have to look
back is where we are now as a

3001
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:33,560
society with the NCAA.
It's not going to be Sam Rogers

3002
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:36,880
coming out as a walk on getting
the scholar.

3003
02:33:36,920 --> 02:33:39,880
Literally getting the Sam Rogers
and Cody Grimm days are are.

3004
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:44,240
Behind us or they're over, but
what's going to happen is APR

3005
02:33:44,320 --> 02:33:46,720
and facial tuning days there.
You go look.

3006
02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:49,920
At throat after after the poor,
they're not any good.

3007
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,840
They're not good players.
Florida shitting on fucking APR.

3008
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:56,520
He comes up 16 1/2 fucking sacks
this year.

3009
02:33:56,520 --> 02:33:59,120
He was second in the nation.
And if you look at his sack

3010
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:03,560
compared to the guy, BC he were
more impressive, more impressive

3011
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:06,000
that game.
He feasted on them.

3012
02:34:06,120 --> 02:34:09,120
He didn't do shit to us.
But if you start looking, that's

3013
02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:10,720
what it's going to be.
It's going to be names.

3014
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:13,800
And I'm looking at the portal
like Rimac and Priester and

3015
02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:16,720
Brown Murray.
That's what it's going to be.

3016
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:19,640
Now, Maddie, that's what it's
going to be guys.

3017
02:34:19,640 --> 02:34:21,520
It's not going to be those two
and three star guys.

3018
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:25,040
It's going to be the guy like
Shrub Coble who went down to

3019
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:27,880
Clemson and he said he's not
good enough to make it here.

3020
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:31,200
He's going to come up and play
free safety and be the fucking

3021
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,960
dog and he's going to fucking
intercept 6 passes.

3022
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:35,640
He's going to knock somebody out
of a game.

3023
02:34:36,480 --> 02:34:39,520
That's the new, that's the new
what it is the Juco's two

3024
02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:42,600
because what we said earlier and
I can't remember who it was

3025
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:44,920
because I'm I'm a few drinks
deep now.

3026
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:49,320
Yeah, we got.
But who said like the the the

3027
02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:50,960
kids?
If you aren't an elite stuff

3028
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:53,280
coming out of high school now,
what's your best bet?

3029
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:54,760
Go to JUCO for two.
Years.

3030
02:34:55,640 --> 02:34:56,520
JUCO.
JUCO.

3031
02:34:56,600 --> 02:34:59,640
For a couple years, get bigger,
get stronger, and then go

3032
02:34:59,640 --> 02:35:02,360
elsewhere.
It is a changing landscape of

3033
02:35:02,360 --> 02:35:05,640
college football and we see that
as well with the College

3034
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:08,600
Football Playoff.
And I know so many people had

3035
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,000
their fucking opinions about
OSM.

3036
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:12,560
You shouldn't have been there
and so and so shouldn't have

3037
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:14,240
been there.
That's fucking.

3038
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:17,520
Great.
Hey, hey, no.

3039
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:20,920
No, no, me and me and Josh, we
agree on some things.

3040
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:23,440
We agreed that he agreed that
they should be there.

3041
02:35:23,800 --> 02:35:26,880
What he's trying to say is it
they shouldn't be there because,

3042
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:28,600
well, this and that and the
other.

3043
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:30,640
But we'll, we'll leave that as
it is.

3044
02:35:30,800 --> 02:35:32,480
I mean, at some point they're
they're just going to get to the

3045
02:35:32,480 --> 02:35:34,760
point where whoever's got the
best rosters going to make the

3046
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:37,080
playoff.
And fuck that shit, because if

3047
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:39,200
that's the case then we're
basically in the playoffs this

3048
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:41,640
year.
Like just being a good team

3049
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:43,520
doesn't earn you a right.
You still got to go out there

3050
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:45,160
and win football, Win fucking
games.

3051
02:35:45,160 --> 02:35:48,600
Winning games matters.
You've got to be punished and,

3052
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:52,080
you know, get given your props
for the games you win and lose.

3053
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:54,520
Not just how good did you build
your team.

3054
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:57,560
This isn't this isn't fucking
Madden simulation.

3055
02:35:57,920 --> 02:35:59,800
Like, you got to go out there
and win the game.

3056
02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:02,560
And I give you guys a scenario
and it's OK if you roast me,

3057
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:05,480
I'll take it.
I'll take it 100%.

3058
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:12,880
Is Virginia Tech's best route to
the playoff to leave the ACC, go

3059
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:15,480
back to Group of Five and take
the Boise State route.

3060
02:36:15,960 --> 02:36:18,080
No.
Or try to make it through the

3061
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:20,720
ACC.
No, A coming through the ACC

3062
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:23,600
because what's going to happen
is every year there's going to

3063
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:26,920
be this and this year was 4 Big
10 teams.

3064
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:31,600
Next year it's going to be 4 SEC
teams, three Big 10 teams.

3065
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:38,080
ACC is probably going to get 2IN
likely every year because I

3066
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:41,480
think the Big 12, because they
had their biggest brands leave

3067
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:46,600
that foot fucks them, their
biggest brands fucking left and

3068
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:47,960
right.
Now with the ACC, if you can go

3069
02:36:47,960 --> 02:36:52,360
in the ACC championship game at
10 or 11 wins, win or lose,

3070
02:36:52,360 --> 02:36:57,680
you're in, you're in.
You saw, by the way, SMU, if

3071
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:00,240
those motherfuckers just could
catch a goddamn pass on the

3072
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,800
fucking 1 yard line, and I saw
that play.

3073
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,040
Before I.
Does that not change the game

3074
02:37:06,040 --> 02:37:07,120
though, Chris?
It.

3075
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:09,360
Does boy?
Jenny through the day.

3076
02:37:09,400 --> 02:37:11,320
That motherfucker bothers it
like he's.

3077
02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:12,920
Me.
So let's talk about two things

3078
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:13,960
on this.
If if we're talking about

3079
02:37:13,960 --> 02:37:18,000
dropping down to to G5.
So there's two things first.

3080
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:21,360
First is conference money. 1st I
got a piece out.

3081
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:23,480
You got a piece out I.
I love the germ.

3082
02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:25,680
We love you, love you all.
Love you.

3083
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:27,280
Brother, you didn't.
Black out you.

3084
02:37:29,160 --> 02:37:32,320
Didn't black out give this time?
You did it, Jerem.

3085
02:37:32,600 --> 02:37:32,840
He.
He.

3086
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:35,920
He's on the board, he's on the
ACC board, so he had to leave

3087
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:36,960
while we.
That's right, that's right.

3088
02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:41,120
So 2 two things.
Despite how shit ACC money is,

3089
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:42,760
it's still better than any group
of five money.

3090
02:37:43,320 --> 02:37:44,040
Yeah, I'm right.
This.

3091
02:37:44,320 --> 02:37:50,080
Thing #2 is that we're not Boise
State where we have to recruit

3092
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:54,800
and how we have to recruit.
We're going to need money to do

3093
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:58,120
that, to be competitive.
We're not in Boise where we can

3094
02:37:58,120 --> 02:38:02,320
use a national recruiting market
and pick up the cast offs from

3095
02:38:02,320 --> 02:38:04,440
the power forward teams
throughout the country.

3096
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:05,760
We don't.
We don't have that luxury.

3097
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:08,520
We still got to recruit within
our footprint and our footprint

3098
02:38:08,520 --> 02:38:11,560
is fucking saturated.
Yeah, but what doesn't have a

3099
02:38:11,560 --> 02:38:14,200
lot to do with.
I feel like our athletic

3100
02:38:14,200 --> 02:38:15,640
director is not a good money
raiser.

3101
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:18,120
I feel like he doesn't know how
to put the screws to folks.

3102
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:22,240
I I don't feel like he, he's,
he's really getting the money.

3103
02:38:22,280 --> 02:38:24,680
I mean, what's our rich?
I think he's a good accounting

3104
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:25,880
man.
I don't know if that's he's a

3105
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:27,720
good well.
Who's our Who's our richest

3106
02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:28,320
alumni?
I.

3107
02:38:28,320 --> 02:38:30,200
Mean Robbins.
And robotic.

3108
02:38:30,320 --> 02:38:31,760
Kids guy.
Maybe they own.

3109
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:35,680
The top they who Sangria has
sold a company for $8.3 billion

3110
02:38:36,240 --> 02:38:38,360
he's.
Rich for sure, But does he care

3111
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:39,600
about football?
That's what I'm saying.

3112
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:43,200
He was on the sideline Johnny.
Get the pitch up some money.

3113
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:45,840
You know the hold.
On I'm bad, don't educate me,

3114
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:47,720
that's OK, that's OK.
I can be wrong do.

3115
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:49,840
You remember the guy on the
sideline?

3116
02:38:50,480 --> 02:38:53,360
There was a guy screaming at the
opposing team player.

3117
02:38:54,400 --> 02:38:55,520
Just think that I don't.
Remember that?

3118
02:38:55,520 --> 02:38:56,200
Yeah.
So that's him.

3119
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:58,600
That was Mayhul.
Mayhul's worth about $12

3120
02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:00,560
billion.
He's a little more.

3121
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:04,200
Mayhul carries very much cares
very much about that, yeah.

3122
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:07,480
If I had $12 billion, Virginia
Tech would have every.

3123
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:11,480
I mean he paid for the the the
player lands.

3124
02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:14,640
There.
Yeah, they would have proton

3125
02:39:14,640 --> 02:39:17,040
packs and lots of money.
No, what I'm saying is if you

3126
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:19,080
have $12 million, like how much
does he give it?

3127
02:39:19,400 --> 02:39:21,080
It's OK to care and.
Scrap, I mean, he paid for the

3128
02:39:21,080 --> 02:39:22,840
players lounge.
So I mean, yeah, he pay, he's

3129
02:39:22,840 --> 02:39:26,480
he's paid a lot of money.
He he's, he's put his money

3130
02:39:26,480 --> 02:39:30,000
where his mouth is and he
continues more often than more

3131
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:31,720
often than anybody else that I
know.

3132
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,240
As far as deep pockets are
concerned.

3133
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:37,280
You can, you can slander other
billionaires out there that are

3134
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:40,040
in the Virginia Tech sphere, but
Mayhul is not one of them.

3135
02:39:40,160 --> 02:39:42,160
You cannot do.
I'm not slandering any

3136
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:44,040
billionaire.
I'm broke, OK?

3137
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:45,640
I'm a Ghostbuster, all right?
It's a hard.

3138
02:39:45,640 --> 02:39:47,760
Job Hey, no, I'm just, I'm just
saying if we're, if we're

3139
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:50,120
talking about guys that aren't
doing their part, Mayhul is not

3140
02:39:50,120 --> 02:39:51,680
one of those guys.
Well, no, I was talking about

3141
02:39:52,320 --> 02:39:55,360
what Babcock not doing the spark
is he selling how much money you

3142
02:39:55,360 --> 02:39:57,280
should give.
I was just talking about.

3143
02:39:57,400 --> 02:40:01,400
The Oh yeah, I I definitely
think wit is not a not as much

3144
02:40:01,400 --> 02:40:04,360
of A people person as you would
maybe want on this, but he is a

3145
02:40:04,400 --> 02:40:07,120
finance guy so but.
But but our two money.

3146
02:40:07,240 --> 02:40:10,840
I think, I think he stretches
money better than we we we could

3147
02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:13,680
otherwise have, but I don't know
if he's as good at bringing the

3148
02:40:13,680 --> 02:40:14,480
money in.
For sure.

3149
02:40:14,480 --> 02:40:16,680
But if I'm account, if I'm an
accounting guy, let's say I'm

3150
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:20,200
not a sales guy, I'm an
accounting guy, our two money

3151
02:40:20,200 --> 02:40:22,400
sports are in the hole.
So if I'm accounting, no they're

3152
02:40:22,440 --> 02:40:24,240
not not the black.
They're not.

3153
02:40:25,880 --> 02:40:29,880
So what's he doing?
So first of all, no, no sport is

3154
02:40:29,880 --> 02:40:31,920
in the hole.
The one thing Virginia Tech has

3155
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:36,360
over anybody is we are pretty
much any money that comes in can

3156
02:40:36,360 --> 02:40:39,240
be used.
Well, look at Nebraska, go look

3157
02:40:39,240 --> 02:40:42,000
at Alabama, go look, they are
they are in debt.

3158
02:40:42,440 --> 02:40:44,280
They are in debt.
We are not in debt.

3159
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:46,960
That is the.
One thing again, sorry, let me

3160
02:40:47,000 --> 02:40:48,600
clarify before you.
Make your point.

3161
02:40:49,320 --> 02:40:51,320
I'm not talking about money
debt.

3162
02:40:51,320 --> 02:40:54,440
I'm talking about our team suck.
So men's basketball.

3163
02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:57,680
So we our football team is 500.
Our men's basketball program

3164
02:40:57,680 --> 02:40:59,800
sucks.
Those are the two money sports.

3165
02:41:00,120 --> 02:41:03,160
If they don't do well, less
money comes in.

3166
02:41:03,400 --> 02:41:05,200
So I'm not talking about.
No, it doesn't.

3167
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:08,000
That's the thing.
Because the TV revenue is what

3168
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:09,960
it is.
We're getting $63 million

3169
02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:11,360
regardless.
It doesn't matter.

3170
02:41:11,800 --> 02:41:16,200
What does matter?
One factor of the money So TV.

3171
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:18,000
That's the biggest factor of the
money.

3172
02:41:18,360 --> 02:41:21,640
The the sales inside the stuff
is like 8% now.

3173
02:41:21,640 --> 02:41:23,520
It's not what it was 30 years
ago.

3174
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:25,840
What about used to be?
Literally if you couldn't sell

3175
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,600
out your stadium 30 years ago,
right?

3176
02:41:27,800 --> 02:41:30,480
If you couldn't sell out your
your basketball, you were

3177
02:41:30,560 --> 02:41:32,240
fucked.
It ain't that way no more.

3178
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:34,400
There are teams out here who
cannot.

3179
02:41:34,560 --> 02:41:37,080
UVA is the perfect fucking
example.

3180
02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:40,800
They can't put 50% of their
fucking people in the stands.

3181
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:44,800
They get the exact same amount
of money as we do from the.

3182
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:47,000
ACC Can I tell you something
funny?

3183
02:41:47,320 --> 02:41:50,760
UVA gets more in donations than
we do, and yet we still outpace

3184
02:41:50,760 --> 02:41:51,480
them in.
Total.

3185
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:54,600
In total revenue and we also
outpace them in wins on the

3186
02:41:54,600 --> 02:41:57,120
football field.
But so the the problem that we

3187
02:41:57,120 --> 02:42:01,680
have is that so looking at NILI
think the problem that people

3188
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:05,120
will have with wit and NIL right
now is that they're looking at

3189
02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:09,840
this gutted basketball NIL
situation and how how that was

3190
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:12,160
handled.
And then looking at a six and

3191
02:42:12,160 --> 02:42:15,520
six football team and saying,
what do we get for that

3192
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:18,360
investment?
And now we've got two teams that

3193
02:42:18,360 --> 02:42:19,960
are mid right.
So that that's what they're

3194
02:42:19,960 --> 02:42:23,440
saying, is that we ended up
allocating more money to

3195
02:42:23,480 --> 02:42:27,400
football, we hamstrung our
basketball team and we don't

3196
02:42:27,400 --> 02:42:29,000
have anything else to show for
it.

3197
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:32,160
But that's what, so that's what
I'm trying to get to I guess.

3198
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:35,680
And maybe you can educate me.
I can be completely wrong about

3199
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:39,600
this, but having been in sales,
being in business and just kind

3200
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:42,320
of understanding how the world
works, typically you look for an

3201
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:45,560
ROI.
So if I'm giving you a certain

3202
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:49,560
amount of money, I'm expecting a
certain product in return.

3203
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:53,080
If that product is not being
returned based on the money that

3204
02:42:53,080 --> 02:42:56,880
I'm spending, then that money
shortens over time because the

3205
02:42:56,880 --> 02:43:00,760
product is not there.
So that's, I guess that's what

3206
02:43:00,760 --> 02:43:04,200
I'm coming to when it comes to,
it's not just the TV deal, it's

3207
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:07,400
the NIO donors, it's the donors
to the program.

3208
02:43:07,400 --> 02:43:11,040
It's saying, hey, well, we gave,
we gave you guys 500,000 last

3209
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:17,520
year and we got 500 as a record.
Maybe I'm maybe we'll do 275

3210
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:19,240
this year.
Yeah.

3211
02:43:19,240 --> 02:43:21,840
And if you're talking long term,
yeah, you're going to see

3212
02:43:21,880 --> 02:43:26,000
potential declines if you're if
something doesn't change,

3213
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:30,720
whether it's win loss record,
whether it's staff changes that

3214
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,480
change the trajectory of how you
feel about this program long

3215
02:43:35,480 --> 02:43:36,000
term.
So it's.

3216
02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:36,960
Still speculative.
Right.

3217
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:38,800
It's still speculative.
We're still, we're still

3218
02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:41,240
speculating.
We had this return this year,

3219
02:43:41,240 --> 02:43:43,440
We're speculating some
additional return in the next

3220
02:43:43,440 --> 02:43:46,880
two to three years, right.
So you still have to base it on

3221
02:43:46,880 --> 02:43:49,400
that kind of that kind.
Of place, that should be our

3222
02:43:49,400 --> 02:43:52,360
overall Like if I'm with
Babcock, that's my overall

3223
02:43:52,360 --> 02:43:55,320
message to everyone.
If you come to Virginia Tech,

3224
02:43:55,320 --> 02:43:58,120
you're going to get a return on
your investment as a kid, as a

3225
02:43:58,120 --> 02:44:00,440
player.
If you donate to the program,

3226
02:44:00,440 --> 02:44:03,840
you're going to get a return on
investment as a as a donor or as

3227
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:06,760
an alumni.
If you do ATV advertising deal,

3228
02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:09,800
whatever it might be.
ROI should be our biggest goal

3229
02:44:09,800 --> 02:44:13,280
overall, and that's for kids and
players and everybody.

3230
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:16,360
If you donate your body to
Virginia Tech, if you put it on

3231
02:44:16,360 --> 02:44:19,200
the line every day, you're going
to get a return on investment.

3232
02:44:19,480 --> 02:44:22,160
If you donate your money as a
local business, you're Scheeler

3233
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:25,520
Motomile, you're going to get
your return on investment

3234
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:29,720
because we're going to have a
culture that expects winning.

3235
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:33,160
And it's not just we're going to
get our TV deal and our revenue

3236
02:44:33,160 --> 02:44:36,040
deal and hopefully we'll get
some nil and we'll transfer you

3237
02:44:36,040 --> 02:44:39,840
off to another school.
I think ROI should be our new

3238
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:40,320
slogan.
So.

3239
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:43,560
I'm, I'm not going to ask this
and I'm not, I'm not trying to

3240
02:44:43,560 --> 02:44:46,640
like call you up on.
On this, Chris was about to say

3241
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:48,960
something.
Because because I think, because

3242
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:52,480
I think you, you expected a
better ROI on your on your

3243
02:44:52,480 --> 02:44:56,800
investment this year, except for
the goddamn quarterback got

3244
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:59,320
hurt.
Your ROI on your investment on

3245
02:44:59,320 --> 02:45:01,640
your football team is better if
your quarterback doesn't get

3246
02:45:01,640 --> 02:45:04,760
hurt, if your own line doesn't,
if your quarterback doesn't get

3247
02:45:04,760 --> 02:45:08,120
hurt, you win more games.
We're sitting here already.

3248
02:45:08,280 --> 02:45:11,120
We're sitting here thinking
where we played last weekend

3249
02:45:11,320 --> 02:45:12,800
because we would have an
opportunity to do that.

3250
02:45:13,080 --> 02:45:16,720
We're only looking at the ROI
because OK, we invested this

3251
02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:19,240
much in these because you
because you had to pay guys and

3252
02:45:19,240 --> 02:45:22,440
you came back in 66 and it's
like it was a down year on this

3253
02:45:22,480 --> 02:45:27,440
rate of return.
They gave guys, gave guys money,

3254
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:31,360
they paid guys more money to
come back, Price said on y'all's

3255
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:34,440
show.
I had those guys come in and say

3256
02:45:34,440 --> 02:45:36,240
are you going to be a different
player?

3257
02:45:37,400 --> 02:45:40,400
Some of them did, a lot of them
didn't.

3258
02:45:42,400 --> 02:45:47,720
Some guys ticked up, some guys
didn't, and the major guys that

3259
02:45:47,720 --> 02:45:50,360
you had to have tick up was the
reason why you're ready to

3260
02:45:50,360 --> 02:45:53,280
return is down.
If Kyron's healthy, your ROI is

3261
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:55,520
better, right?
Absolutely, if the.

3262
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:58,320
If the offensive line, if the
offensive line is is better

3263
02:45:58,320 --> 02:46:01,120
prepared and we get better,
better coaching offensive line,

3264
02:46:01,400 --> 02:46:05,360
your ROI is better.
You got less drops, your ROI is

3265
02:46:05,360 --> 02:46:07,400
better, right?
You get better tackling.

3266
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:09,320
You get better tackling in the
secondary.

3267
02:46:09,320 --> 02:46:12,080
Your ROI is better.
It is a long.

3268
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:14,080
Let's get.
It's like you can't.

3269
02:46:14,120 --> 02:46:16,800
It's going.
To be look at it, because if you

3270
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:22,680
look at it Maddie, for example,
LSU this year, man, LSU budget

3271
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:25,040
is about 3 times what Virginia
Techs is.

3272
02:46:25,280 --> 02:46:27,440
Absolutely.
They won 8 fucking games.

3273
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:30,920
You tell me their donors don't
want to fucking like Brian Kelly

3274
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:33,040
on fire.
You don't think backward.

3275
02:46:33,440 --> 02:46:36,200
You don't think backward of
Billy tied, tied, of going

3276
02:46:36,200 --> 02:46:38,880
across the swamp and with them
Gators and dropping off that ex.

3277
02:46:38,880 --> 02:46:41,760
Billy they pick on 75 them some
of the.

3278
02:46:41,960 --> 02:46:43,440
Fuckers in the Middle East.
Oklahoma.

3279
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:45,600
Oklahoma is a good example too.
Yeah, yeah.

3280
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:46,560
Same thing.
So you.

3281
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:48,800
Look at it.
It's going to be this waves.

3282
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:50,680
And it's like, well, how do we
figure this out?

3283
02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:53,120
Go, Brian.
Well, I was just going to say.

3284
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:57,760
So there's, there's two things
#1 the house settlement thing is

3285
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:02,000
going to take care of at least
the first, the first wave of

3286
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:07,160
this NIL situation once, once
you start getting things

3287
02:47:07,160 --> 02:47:11,800
publicly available, that's going
to be a big, big change to the

3288
02:47:11,800 --> 02:47:16,200
framework of how NIL is handled
#2 I'm not trying to get

3289
02:47:16,200 --> 02:47:18,880
personal.
Do you subscribe on like

3290
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:20,880
Triumph?
Do you have a Triumph

3291
02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:22,480
subscription?
Do you do anything with that?

3292
02:47:23,400 --> 02:47:24,440
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.

3293
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:26,480
OK, OK.
So, so, so you know, like there,

3294
02:47:26,480 --> 02:47:33,320
there are intrinsic benefits to
supporting NIL outside of wins

3295
02:47:33,320 --> 02:47:36,400
and losses, right?
So, OK, so we're talking about

3296
02:47:36,400 --> 02:47:39,520
two different levels here.
So there is still incentive for

3297
02:47:39,520 --> 02:47:43,000
you to make that investment even
if the wins and losses aren't

3298
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:46,040
quite there, because you get a
more personal experience with

3299
02:47:46,040 --> 02:47:47,480
the team that you care about,
right?

3300
02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:50,360
Yeah, no, it helped me with my
bachelor party like I talked.

3301
02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:51,680
About earlier, so, so that's
what I'm saying.

3302
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:54,440
So, so there are things like
that, that I think Triumph is

3303
02:47:54,440 --> 02:47:58,640
doing well that that they're
they are providing value outside

3304
02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:00,440
of necessarily the product on
the field.

3305
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:05,520
And as NIL matures, I think
we're going to see Virginia Tech

3306
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:09,560
being a lot better position long
term from an NIL perspective.

3307
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:12,280
Now whether that leads to wins
and losses, I'm not sure, but I

3308
02:48:12,280 --> 02:48:14,440
think it's going to help that
ROI that you're talking about.

3309
02:48:15,080 --> 02:48:18,440
Yeah, and I just, I just want
everybody who comes to the

3310
02:48:18,440 --> 02:48:22,280
place, whether you're a player,
a donor, a fan, whatever, you're

3311
02:48:22,280 --> 02:48:25,760
getting more than you put in.
And maybe that's a lot to ask.

3312
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:29,120
And but I think having a high
expectation is good because if

3313
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:31,520
you fall short, it's fine, but
it's better than just being

3314
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:33,120
complacent.
Yeah.

3315
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:34,680
I don't.
I don't think we're being

3316
02:48:34,680 --> 02:48:36,320
complacent at all.
I really don't.

3317
02:48:36,480 --> 02:48:40,440
I I don't no one's happy with
six and six, whether in Merriman

3318
02:48:40,440 --> 02:48:42,880
or on this podcast, in anywhere
in between.

3319
02:48:43,360 --> 02:48:45,160
Nobody, nobody said, but I don't
think, I don't think they're

3320
02:48:45,160 --> 02:48:47,240
being complacent.
I think, I think they're, I

3321
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:51,880
think they're moving forward.
What they had to do this year in

3322
02:48:51,880 --> 02:48:53,760
the portal, I think they
definitely needed to do.

3323
02:48:54,200 --> 02:48:57,880
And I, I think, you know, I
think, you know, we're going to

3324
02:48:57,880 --> 02:48:59,640
get, we're going to get those
kids.

3325
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:02,640
We, we're just going to get some
more kids, man, that want to

3326
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:05,080
come here and, and like you say,
play with that chip on their

3327
02:49:05,080 --> 02:49:07,680
shoulder.
Hey, I've been overlooked, You

3328
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:11,040
know, you know, you, you got to
look like a lot of those 24

3329
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:13,560
kids, 23 and 24 kids and 25
kids.

3330
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:15,320
They don't know nothing about
losing.

3331
02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:18,200
They don't, they don't
understand losing.

3332
02:49:18,480 --> 02:49:22,400
A lot of them, a lot of them
have won, been played in state

3333
02:49:22,400 --> 02:49:24,440
championship, played in long
time football games.

3334
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:27,760
And I always go back to the
point, man, they built this

3335
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:30,640
thing from the ground up.
This there was nothing here to

3336
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:34,640
build on yeah, what I think they
had like 20 running backs on

3337
02:49:34,640 --> 02:49:38,320
this on this roster and like 20
I.

3338
02:49:38,400 --> 02:49:40,800
Think it was only 14.
I think it was only 14. 14,

3339
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:43,400
yeah.
Way too fucking many.

3340
02:49:43,400 --> 02:49:46,560
Yeah, way too many, you know, I
mean, I remember watching, you

3341
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:48,480
know, looking like, who is this
Brumster kid?

3342
02:49:48,480 --> 02:49:51,760
I don't even what what is?
I mean, they didn't have a lot.

3343
02:49:51,960 --> 02:49:55,640
So I know, hey, this is Virginia
Tech and the uniforms and

3344
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:57,800
saying, man, they didn't have a
lot to build on.

3345
02:49:57,960 --> 02:50:00,560
So yeah, with this year
disappointing absolutely.

3346
02:50:00,840 --> 02:50:05,200
But I just think, and I, and I
told, I told, I told Dan this,

3347
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,960
yeah, we're disappointed with
24, but I think we're going to

3348
02:50:07,960 --> 02:50:11,000
be even better in 25.
And I'm, I'm just really all in

3349
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:12,040
on that.
I think we're going to be so

3350
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:16,840
much better in 25 and, and, and
and that'll, and that'll,

3351
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:19,960
that'll be like in 26.
We'll be I just think this 25

3352
02:50:19,960 --> 02:50:23,480
class is 26 class and the better
coaching in some different areas

3353
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:26,160
is going to help us out a lot.
Well, the whole thing is you've

3354
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:30,120
got to constantly improve and
the whole thing and, and, and if

3355
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:32,960
you look at the retrospective of
the history of Virginia Tech is

3356
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:35,640
everybody always talks about,
well, Frank, Frank, Frank.

3357
02:50:37,160 --> 02:50:41,240
If you look at, and I know this
is 32 years ago, which it

3358
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:45,120
doesn't feel that way to me
because I'm going to be 42 next

3359
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:51,320
year, 42 next year, but 92 was
the biggest year and people

3360
02:50:51,320 --> 02:50:55,440
always look what happened in 92.
Frank made some big ass changes

3361
02:50:55,640 --> 02:51:00,240
to the in the one thing and we
go through and then that staff

3362
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:03,720
stayed together a while and then
early 2000 some big changes

3363
02:51:03,720 --> 02:51:06,640
happened and that staff stayed
together a while and then

3364
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:11,640
basically 2012 happened and and,
but by that time Frank was in

3365
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:13,640
his 60s, so.
Yeah, and he was a legend by

3366
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:14,440
then.
He.

3367
02:51:14,440 --> 02:51:17,240
Was a legend he'd take.
He'd won ACC, he'd won the Big

3368
02:51:17,240 --> 02:51:19,440
East, he'd beat Miami Multiply,
he'd beat Texas, he'd beat

3369
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:21,160
Alabama.
He went to the national

3370
02:51:21,160 --> 02:51:25,040
championship game.
So you have to change and again,

3371
02:51:25,400 --> 02:51:28,720
I go back to what we talked
about damn near three hours ago

3372
02:51:28,720 --> 02:51:31,160
because we almost three hours.
Everybody looking at the left

3373
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:36,080
corner, Brett Pry came in and he
said he gave it three years,

3374
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:38,960
which is legitimate what you
should give a staff.

3375
02:51:38,960 --> 02:51:40,880
And he said it's not good
enough.

3376
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:44,640
I'm going to let this guy go,
this guy go and this guy go

3377
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:50,400
because it's not good enough.
What happened in 2020 and I know

3378
02:51:50,400 --> 02:51:54,000
your son Chris was being
recruited at that time is we we

3379
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:56,880
did not have a good season.
Maddie, you're watching games,

3380
02:51:56,880 --> 02:51:59,680
you saw 2019.
Nothing changed, right?

3381
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:01,520
We were sitting here.
It's like this isn't good

3382
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:03,320
enough.
Nothing fucking changed.

3383
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:06,640
And I don't know what would have
happened if some changed.

3384
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:11,040
I don't, I really do not know
what would have happened years

3385
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:12,720
ago.
Bridges got burned.

3386
02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:15,080
Yep, Jim's right.
Bridges did get burned.

3387
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:17,840
We don't know.
But somehow that team went six

3388
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:24,040
and six in 2021.
Somehow, somehow that team went

3389
02:52:24,040 --> 02:52:27,080
6:00 and 6:00.
But when you don't choose to

3390
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:31,800
make changes in anything because
you talk about ROI, man, and

3391
02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:33,880
that's right, you've got how do
you do all right?

3392
02:52:33,880 --> 02:52:35,560
How do you get better?
You've got to make changes

3393
02:52:35,560 --> 02:52:38,400
because if you ain't hitting the
expectations, you better start

3394
02:52:38,400 --> 02:52:40,520
fucking letting people go.
You better start doing things

3395
02:52:40,520 --> 02:52:42,120
different.
You better start firing people,

3396
02:52:42,120 --> 02:52:45,560
you better start adjusting.
And that's what happened this

3397
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:50,520
year, because the expectation
this year was I was stupid.

3398
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:54,840
Maybe I said eleven wins, y'all.
But Chris, how close were we to

3399
02:52:54,840 --> 02:52:57,080
eleven wins?
Y'all watch how close?

3400
02:52:57,680 --> 02:53:00,000
Oh, everybody says, Chris,
you're a moron.

3401
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:02,520
You said eleven wins.
And I say, y'all, look at the

3402
02:53:02,520 --> 02:53:04,720
fucking scores.
Yep, we were.

3403
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:06,120
We weren't.
Far from it.

3404
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:08,400
It ain't like we were sitting
down here getting our asses

3405
02:53:08,480 --> 02:53:10,400
thrashed.
Now we wouldn't get, we wouldn't

3406
02:53:10,600 --> 02:53:13,440
no, we would get, we were, we
were, we were pissed because of

3407
02:53:13,440 --> 02:53:15,560
like, oh, we make a play here,
we make a play there.

3408
02:53:15,560 --> 02:53:16,880
We win this game.
We win this game.

3409
02:53:17,160 --> 02:53:19,640
Hey, we get a flag here.
We get, I'm just being honest

3410
02:53:19,640 --> 02:53:21,920
with you.
There were games that yeah, we,

3411
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:25,520
we, we just should have won.
You're somehow closer to 11 than

3412
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:27,480
you are to four, despite.
Absolutely 6.

3413
02:53:27,480 --> 02:53:30,800
Games and it looks like maybe
this sounds silly, but it's like

3414
02:53:32,400 --> 02:53:35,520
we lost half of our games.
We.

3415
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:36,720
Lost.
That's them.

3416
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:38,480
Yeah, we.
Lost half our games, yeah.

3417
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:40,280
We didn't get beat half our
games.

3418
02:53:40,320 --> 02:53:43,400
Yeah, we we lost half our games.
Yeah, we just, we, we, no, we,

3419
02:53:43,440 --> 02:53:45,920
we did get beat by Clemson.
But yeah, you're right, they

3420
02:53:45,960 --> 02:53:47,840
did.
That's only, Yeah, a whole lot

3421
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:50,520
more talent.
But but but but but.

3422
02:53:50,520 --> 02:53:53,280
You can't you can't give up
talent and also get out coached

3423
02:53:53,480 --> 02:53:55,000
in a game and.
That that's what happened in

3424
02:53:55,000 --> 02:53:56,760
Clemson.
I mean, just being honest, you

3425
02:53:56,760 --> 02:53:57,920
got out coached.
While.

3426
02:53:57,960 --> 02:54:01,480
Giving up talent.
That's a That's a hard thing.

3427
02:54:01,720 --> 02:54:02,800
It's.
Hard enough to overcome.

3428
02:54:02,800 --> 02:54:04,080
Talent to run the ball four
times.

3429
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:07,120
When you aren't.
Getting out that that, that,

3430
02:54:07,280 --> 02:54:10,280
that was the only, that was the
only game this year that the

3431
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:13,360
Clemson game was the only game
that made me think it was 2023.

3432
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:15,960
Every other game I thought we
were a better football team than

3433
02:54:15,960 --> 02:54:18,200
23 team.
Yeah, we should.

3434
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:20,920
I love that.
Chris Yeah, anything anybody

3435
02:54:20,960 --> 02:54:25,360
want out because as we we go on
three hours here, I'm about to

3436
02:54:25,360 --> 02:54:28,280
wrap this up because this is the
state of the program and where

3437
02:54:28,280 --> 02:54:32,560
we are right now is believe it
or not, I think from where we

3438
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:36,000
were a year ago, we thought we
were going to do big things this

3439
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,080
year.
We didn't it sucked.

3440
02:54:39,360 --> 02:54:42,000
We didn't we're going to do big
things this year.

3441
02:54:42,400 --> 02:54:46,120
But we start looking back and
where we were at 2020 and 2021

3442
02:54:46,120 --> 02:54:53,000
and 22 that long ago in every,
and I just keep saying this

3443
02:54:53,480 --> 02:54:56,840
every game this year, every game
we were in it.

3444
02:54:57,160 --> 02:55:01,560
There was no game that Brian,
Curtis, Maddie, Chris, you were

3445
02:55:01,560 --> 02:55:03,560
there for all of them.
So we can't say you couldn't

3446
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:05,760
leave, because if you left,
you'd be in trouble with.

3447
02:55:06,080 --> 02:55:08,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just, I didn't try to do that.

3448
02:55:09,080 --> 02:55:11,360
And there were no game this
year.

3449
02:55:11,360 --> 02:55:14,880
We turned off that, said we.
First half of Andy was the only

3450
02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:18,320
time we were ever out of it.
First half of Andy was the only

3451
02:55:18,360 --> 02:55:20,040
time we were out.
But what happened?

3452
02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:22,680
If you watch the second, I know
goddamn lead.

3453
02:55:23,320 --> 02:55:26,800
Yeah, we first half of Andy was
the only time we looked lost all

3454
02:55:26,840 --> 02:55:28,560
season.
We looked lost.

3455
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:31,120
We got it back though.
There were there were 12 games

3456
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:34,760
this year.
And it wasn't like. 2022 where

3457
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:39,200
there was a couple games in
20/22 it was just like I'm going

3458
02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:41,360
2023.
This team is not even

3459
02:55:41,360 --> 02:55:45,320
competitive.
We never. 2023 Louisville, 2023

3460
02:55:45,320 --> 02:55:50,120
Louisville, every single one of
us turn that fucking game off

3461
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:53,080
because they fucking beat the
shit out of us.

3462
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:55,320
Yeah, I ain't looking at this no
more.

3463
02:55:55,440 --> 02:55:58,720
I'll catch the highlights so I
can do some notes and talk about

3464
02:55:58,720 --> 02:55:59,840
it on.
Tuesday night.

3465
02:55:59,840 --> 02:56:01,640
That's true.
I ain't watching this no more.

3466
02:56:01,640 --> 02:56:03,120
Because I'm going to watch this
double time.

3467
02:56:03,160 --> 02:56:04,160
That's the only.
Way you're watching it.

3468
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:07,040
Fucking game.
Double time, no commercials.

3469
02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:08,640
That's the only.
One every game we could have

3470
02:56:08,840 --> 02:56:11,840
won.
The question is, with what Brent

3471
02:56:11,840 --> 02:56:16,960
Pride did, do we take the step
in a year from tonight, a year

3472
02:56:16,960 --> 02:56:21,720
from the night?
Is it different or is it y'all

3473
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:24,520
you got to go?
But anyways, I'm going to wrap

3474
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:28,160
up this episode of the Boundary
Corner podcast brought to you by

3475
02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:33,080
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Brian Sigla, that's you.

3476
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:37,320
I'm Curtis Wilson, our guest
tonight, Chris Lester.

3477
02:56:37,480 --> 02:56:39,800
We appreciate you always,
brother, Having you on, Dan.

3478
02:56:39,800 --> 02:56:42,280
Please tell man.
Find the bourbon.

3479
02:56:42,800 --> 02:56:46,600
Our first special guest ever,
Matty B coming in from the

3480
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:49,600
social media waves into the
lights right here.

3481
02:56:49,600 --> 02:56:51,600
We appreciate you coming on
sharing your opinions.

3482
02:56:51,880 --> 02:56:54,880
I like what Matty B said.
Matty B had an opinion.

3483
02:56:54,880 --> 02:56:58,280
He's talked on Tally's faces,
he's tweeted, he had the fucking

3484
02:56:58,280 --> 02:57:01,400
balls to step up and say this is
who I am.

3485
02:57:02,360 --> 02:57:05,720
This is the opinion I have
that's respected.

3486
02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:07,080
So appreciate you.
Joining me, man.

3487
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:08,840
It's.
It's OK to be wrong.

3488
02:57:08,840 --> 02:57:12,400
It's OK.
To be it's OK to say, hey, I got

3489
02:57:12,400 --> 02:57:14,720
an opinion, let's talk about it.
And we'll talk about it.

3490
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:17,000
Put it out on the table.
We'll we'll talk about it.

3491
02:57:17,320 --> 02:57:19,800
Well, if you'll ever have me
back, I'll be more than willing

3492
02:57:19,800 --> 02:57:21,000
to do it.
Man, I appreciate y'all.

3493
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:23,760
Yeah, we appreciate you, Maddie.
We are part of the college

3494
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:26,120
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3495
02:57:26,120 --> 02:57:29,920
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3496
02:57:29,920 --> 02:57:33,760
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3497
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:38,840
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3498
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3499
02:57:44,040 --> 02:57:46,000
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3500
02:57:46,120 --> 02:57:50,560
Awesome ass song.
As always we thank y'all all.

3501
02:57:50,560 --> 02:57:54,240
We almost got the 600 tonight.
We have the 600 and that's that

3502
02:57:54,240 --> 02:57:56,200
that.
Shit, boom, that's what.

3503
02:57:56,600 --> 02:57:59,400
Are y'all out there watching?
Listen tonight, and as always,

3504
02:57:59,400 --> 02:58:49,280
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