The first episode in a Boundary Corner double dip week features Hokie legend and Vicktory Life founder Dwight Vick along with friend of the show and everyone's favorite Hokie Pops Chris Lester. We're looking big picture at what the Hokies did this offseason to get better top to bottom and what still needs to happen for all of these pieces to come together into a winning season in 2025.

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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary

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Corner Podcast, a part of the
College Huddle Network, along

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with my partners, Brian Siegler,
Jonathan Talley, Shelton Moss in

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our extended family, 57 in the
program #1 In Your Hearts,

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Dwight Victoria, and Fresh from
the 757, The Playmaker,

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Christopher Lester.
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Listen, I'm going to say
something real quick.

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I got to go to this place back
in the summer.

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These are friends of ours,
friends of me and my wife's for

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a long, long time.
They are Hokies.

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We had a blast, kids had a
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go do, go check this place out.
It's awesome.

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And and.
That's all I got to say about

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it, but.
Curtis, I like you add a little

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bit of color there to, to rope
in Chris to, to, to get a spot

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out there.
He's like cigar on the canoe.

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But I'm going to tell you, man,
hey you.

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Know.
And nothing like.

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I got to go check it out.
Yeah, I got to go check that

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out, man, I think.
No doubt.

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You know, for them to be
sponsoring the show now, they

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need me down now so I can give a
full review of exactly how it

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feels to be in nature.
Hey Tally, you got to, you got

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to do one of these like one of
the bed reviews too for every

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bedroom you got to pop in the
bed.

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I need I do the bathroom.
I do the bathroom.

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I do the mattress rating, a
pillow rating, rate the

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bathroom.
I'll rate the bathroom because

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it's all about like how you feel
when you sit on the throne,

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because you know, as a as a
listen, I know we're going to

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get into the show.
Sheldon.

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I know you ain't got no kids
yet.

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Everybody else here has kids.
So I'm I'm going to prep you to

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something.
Me and dad use the bathroom to

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get away from their family.
So you got to have a comfortable

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toilet.
I mean, legs going numb.

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Proper light.
Yeah, proper lighting and.

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Plenty of air.
And the Wi-Fi got to be right.

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You got to have a good bathroom.
You got to get that.

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So throw a little bit of a stool
in there.

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Keep the legs higher.
That way you don't they don't go

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to.
Sleep.

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The moment the moment you get
the moment you're in that too

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long, somebody is going to be
either calling that phone on the

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door because it's something for
you to do around that house.

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So enjoy your bathroom breaks
right now Sheldon, because when

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you have kids or you get married
or anything or even a spouse

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like it's over.
You got no free time.

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You know he was just telling you
man.

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So check the bathroom out
everybody if.

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You haven't got any of those.
What have you been doing in

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there text?
Oh yeah, you.

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Ain't really living.
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Oh yeah.
Yeah, you.

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Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

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Yeah, Sheldon, where you stay
at, man?

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Where you stay at?
You're on now We can't hear

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Sheldon.
Check 2.

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There we Sheldon.
Come on, Sheldon.

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Oh no.
No, Curtis.

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Curtis, you don't cursed him.
You don't cursed him.

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You don't curse shit.
Damn.

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Man.
Steve Steven in the chat said.

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Steven in the chat said imagine
having three daughters.

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I don't want to.
Just go in and.

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Come back out, it's a reset.
Yeah, we're good.

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We're good.
We'll get it you.

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While Sheldon's figuring out his
mic.

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Dwight, Chris, have y'all been?
Hey, yo, go ahead.

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I I've been I've, you know, when
I've been out here saving the

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world, you know, and then
laughing a little bit.

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Chris is like one of my Chris is
one of my biggest fans on my

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personal Instagram because I act
a fool on my personal account.

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I mean, I post you want to laugh
you because that's my you know,

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I'm a therapist by day.
So like, you know, I do my

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podcast as y'all know, but like
I'm a family man, but like my

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recipe for coping and managing
all the stresses in this world,

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especially someone that's a
licensed mental health therapist

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is humor.
I just post foolishness ignorant

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and I love it.
It's my private account.

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So yo, if you don't like Jay-Z
said, if you don't like it, it

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cost you nothing, pay me no mind
keep it moving.

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You know what I'm saying?
Don't me, but I I'm looking

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forward to talking tech because
I purposely I think the last

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time I really talked tech was
during the spring game when I

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don't know who jumped on and did
a little live and and and it was

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it was crazy because that was
like the first spring game

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because you got to understand
something I probably have been

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to.
I mean, I had a streak of like

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16 straight years.
I did not miss a spring game.

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And you know, even that year was
cancelled when they had Bucky

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Hodges in them.
I was still up there.

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It got cancelled right before
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So but I've been blessed, man.
Got the oldest daughter, she in

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college, my middle son, Zay.
We move him on on Sunday.

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He starts.
I mean, he was down at Wingate

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for the summer pool scholarship.
He ended up having like 10

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offers, 10G2 offers.
But I'm going to tell you right

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now, and I'm not, I'm not on the
Lavar Ball stuff.

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Like he's special.
He's almost 68 now.

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Like he's long strong.
He did that fork union prep

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year.
He got that fork union weight on

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him.
And then my youngest daughter

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just made the JV volleyball team
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So I got two out of my 3 in
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Got it.
And then my third one is at a

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very competitive volleyball
program at Gainesville.

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She made the JV team as a
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So, and then my nephew, shout
out to my nephew.

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He's got 16-D1 offers.
You know, he Tech, he's coming

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to the Tech Vander, but remember
the name.

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He's a junior this year at
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He plays everywhere and he is,
his name is Derek's sister.

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He's my sister's son.
And Oh yeah.

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Yeah, I know he's, I know him.
Yeah, he's UVA 1 Tennessee

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Facetimed him the other day.
I don't know if that's legal,

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but whatever.
Anyway, yeah.

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We.
Tell him call compliance.

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Call compliance.
He's a kid.

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Y'all going to be asking me who
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he's starting to, I think it,
it's really cool because if you

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know, the Victoria family,
including my wife, my cousin

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Octavian went there and my other
cousin Khalifa, Mike Marcus,

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myself, my wife and my other
cousin Octavia, who if I didn't

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say her name, she's an attorney
down in Atlanta.

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So you're talking about a lot of
people from our family that went

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to Virginia Tech, man.
So we'll see what happens with

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Derek.
Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's,

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he's in my book of guys to go
see, you know.

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Yeah, I'm telling y'all, hey,
listen, when I do to my I told

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you shows, I told y'all going
way back, if you follow me, I

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told people about Greg Stroman.
I told you about Greg Dortch, I

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told you about Daz Newsome.
Everybody said Greg Stroman will

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never play at Tech.
He's too small.

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He's too, too thin.
I'm like y'all don't understand.

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I told people about Eddie Royal
when he was at Westfield

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Cooking.
I said we got a dog.

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And like, you know, it's just
one of those things man,

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sometimes people have to see for
themselves.

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So I don't do manufactured
height.

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If I speak on something, look, I
told y'all, y'all know this?

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I said in the comments on
boundary Corner, Caleb Woodson.

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I told people they were like,
well, he's young, he's not

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ready.
I'm like this is the.

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Thing too, I'm going to throw
this out right quick, Dwight,

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just while you while you hitting
on that, when you talk about

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when you talk about kids that go
to a high level school, a high

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level D1 school, that's Virginia
Tech, whether you want to

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believe it or not, it is UVA.
You know, that's a high level D1

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school.
When you have somebody that

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comes out of high school and
goes to these schools and they

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start, that's a big
accomplishment.

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So when you have somebody that
you know, maybe talks about a

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kid and says, you know, this kid
is special and then they go to

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college and they start, even if
the stats aren't there, they

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don't make it to the next level.
That's like a 1% thing.

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So whenever I hear people
talking about kids, I just look

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at like, just say, you talked
about Caleb Woodson, right?

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OK, so when Caleb Woodson come
in, I'm like, is he going to be

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a starter?
Soon as I seen him, soon as I

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seen him suit up, I'm like he
he's he, he should be a starter.

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So you're right.
Whenever I hear somebody say

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something like that, and I'm
just throwing that to the chat

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because sometimes people are
like, oh, well, this person

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didn't do nothing or they didn't
make a all ACC.

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We don't, they don't.
That is not what we talk about

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like going into college and
playing and getting to the next

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level.
Totally different thing We just

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talking about when you speak in
high school, moving into

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college.
So just want to throw that out

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there.
Look real quick for you.

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I know Kurt and Brian got it.
Y'all got to do y'all thing and

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I'm looking forward to it and
Shelton.

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But just to add to that, I think
in the microwave stage of

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college football, Nili think one
thing that needs to talk and I'm

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big on this.
I don't care if you had Alabama

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or Miami, it's OK for a player
and a family and even fans to be

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patient.
I think right now with the

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transport portal, NIL, we just
think development is going out

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the window.
And I just think you got to

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understand development is still
essential on the collegiate,

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high school and pro, even youth
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Everybody wants to rock with Cam
Chancellor now.

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Shout out to the GOAT.
But at the same time, Cam

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Chancellor developed at Virginia
Tech.

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They played them right.
It's a lot of guys that develop.

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My biggest I told you show of
all time Mike Vick.

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He came in tech and he'll tell
you he was so glad the red shirt

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that red shirt did wonders.
His his his brother, who was an

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icon, a national Gatorade player
of the year at football and

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basketball.
Ron Mccurry down the street at

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North Carolina.
I I Davenport got hurt.

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Ron didn't get a chance to red
shirt and develop and you know

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you and again you can say oh, he
went to look and involve hating

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on Carolina.
That development is still one of

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the things people need to
understand.

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A lot of players need that man.
Like some of your favorite

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household names that are
developed so you come in and

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start at AUVA or Maryland or
Miami or Colorado or Oklahoma or

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even a mid major Marshall.
It don't matter at this level.

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Just to be in the 2 deep is
insane, especially with the kids

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now.
The kids now are insanely

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athletic, right?
Without question, Without

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question.
No live spoken.

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Not one single live spoken.
Yeah, go ahead, Curtis I.

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Was going to say before we get
into the season, we got some

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other shit we got to hit on
that's happened since the last

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time we talked.
So you got you got to update

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Dwight, where are you rocking,
right?

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Now where are you rocking real
quick, Sheldon, since you got

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cut off and he's still.
Oh no, we still ain't got you.

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Oh man, that's my God too.
I need to hear from Sheldon.

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I need, I need Sheldon, man, he.
Going to give me he will Curtis

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we Curtis.
I'm not sure what was going on,

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but we had it when he came on
so.

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We did.
We'll get it.

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Right, we'll get it right.
While he's figuring it out,

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though, Brian, let's hit a
couple of these little news and

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notes before we get into the
season.

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Yeah.
I mean, I, you know, there's a

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lot of things that have kind of
been going on.

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The thing I wanted to talk about
first is, you know, looking at

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that tampering situation, NC
Central, ultimately a running

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back to the end of going to to
UVA.

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But apparently we had somebody
down at the game, but possibly

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there was some conversations
there.

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What's y'all take on this?
Is this a nothing burger or is

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this something to actually talk
about?

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Hold on, can I say something
before I let our esteemed guests

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and our esteemed You didn't get
him as the worst piece of

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tampering I've ever seen.
If you didn't get the kid, it's

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the worst piece of tampering
I've ever seen, man to to me, to

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me honestly, it's a big nothing
burger because at the end of the

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day, the kid was going to make a
decision.

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He was leaving to go somewhere.
So if it was somebody from the

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staff or the way the story came
out, it was somebody was a

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friend of somebody down there,
but the kid was leaving either

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way.
So to try to throw us underneath

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the buses, if you know, we down
there hunting for guys in North

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Carolina Central.
Listen, we caught lightning in

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the bottle with basil from A&T.
You know what I'm saying?

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It's not like we going to go
find another, you know, HBCU

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back is going to be able to come
here and play with the guys we

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have now going to get base
shovels to be able to bridge the

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gap.
We've got guys that can play.

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So I mean him yelling us out,
you know, maybe, you know, keep

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people up your sideline.
But I mean, it's it's North

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Carolina central, bro.
It's North Carolina central

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stop.
So, so my thing, the thing that

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gives me is I can understand if
he had a problem, whatever, deal

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with it.
But he makes all this song and

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dance and do all this extra
stuff.

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I'm like like Chris said he
leaving, the kid was leaving

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anyway, right?
So he leaves and goes to another

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school.
So you said so this school

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pissed me off.
So I'm going to be a fan of this

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school and they going to beat
the crap out of this school.

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He's still like at your school.
Like I can understand if he said

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well, I'm going to stay here
because they tried to, you know,

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tamper.
I'm going to stay and finish

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here.
Like come on man, to me what it

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sound like and I'm just keeping
it real.

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Somebody didn't greet somebody's
pockets.

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Somebody wanted something out of
the deal, they didn't get it and

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had a problem with.
It that's a lot.

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Hey, my it's a nothing burger,
bro, Like it didn't make any

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other.
Nobody was talking about it.

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First of all, no, did they?
They didn't never say who the

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coach was, right?
No, they never said all right.

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So like, you know, dude could
have been in the area wanted to

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check out some ball or he might
have had a little Shorty a side

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piece.
He was going to see, you know,

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this grown man business like you
don't.

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I'm telling you, like people.
I when I used to work at group

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homes, I used to tell my my
clients because they were high

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school age.
I used to be like, look, I'm Mr.

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Victoria up in here.
But when in this one, I was in

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my 20s when I was still playing
adult flag and trying to get

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back in the league.
I was like, Yo, when you see me

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outside, I'm Victoria and they
used to be like, yo, what that

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mean?
You don't want to find out.

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And they were like, Yo, Mr.
Victoria crazy.

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It's not crazy.
It's more so like, I got things

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I'm into nothing illegal,
nothing weird, you know,

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nothing.
Eyes wide shut with masks and

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whips.
I'm just saying like, I, I, I'm,

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I'm doing me like don't, don't,
don't think.

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I don't know.
I didn't care because I'm like,

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bro, you breaking the cold, man?
Because listen, one thing I

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learned having a coat, a son
recruited and a nephew who's

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highly recruited and other
people I've helped, even going

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back to the days of Deshawn Han
and Jalen Holmes, understand

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this right here, bro.
Just Oh my God.

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These coaches are a brotherhood.
So that's you know, we we owe

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UVAI hate Miami, whatever.
But when they all hanging out at

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these coaching clinics, they
drinking together, they talking

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about crazy parents.
You're right.

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It just so like to me that was a
that was a violation.

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You could have text dude and be
like, hey, yo, what you doing

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man?
I don't want to have to come at

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you anyway.
Nothing, nothing burger.

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That's a nothing burger.
Sheldon Real.

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Quick, so nothing burger.
Am I back yet?

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Yeah.
There we go.

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There we go.
Yeah.

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Loud and clear, Loud and clear.
Yeah, it's a nothing burger.

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Although I will note that I'm
not philosophically opposed to

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cheating.
So I would say even if we

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weren't cheating, I don't care
and we could cheat better.

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I.
Got I got you.

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I love my song opposed to
cheating.

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Show tell, tell, tell Dwight
real quick where you currently

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are residing.
Yeah.

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So I'm down in the 757.
I'm in, I'm in Williamsburg.

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I I don't know if it's the 757
properties.

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Yeah.
You.

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You live in good.
See, Williamsburg is where we

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went for the field trips when I
was in middle school and high

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school.
And it was always awkward

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because you go to Colonial
Winsburg and they were like, you

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know, I went to urban school,
Hampton High School, and they

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like over here is where the
slaves slept.

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I'm like, bro, but Williamsburg.
Williamsburg, though, you live

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in good.
I do love and miss Busch Gardens

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the Water Country, but I'm too
old for that now.

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I was, I was just at Busch
Gardens yesterday, man, I took

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my son for that, for the
afternoon.

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Never too.
Old for water country bro.

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You're never too.
Old.

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You know what I mean?
You're right, you're right.

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I just used to get in that wave
full back in the day.

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But you know, I'm team Wesley
Slice.

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I would get out, you know, I had
no lotion.

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So I was Ashley Larry after
that.

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We got an eyes wide shot of the
Ashley Larry reference in.

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The 1st 5, hey, you know I'm
going to have fun, man.

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Y'all my guys, we're going to
have fun for the viewers.

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I'm going to give y'all, I'm
going to give y'all plenty of

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reels.
You know what I mean?

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I'm going to give y'all plenty
of reels.

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Callie.
Yes, Sir.

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Speaking of the 75, we got some
good news the other week.

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Yeah, so ODU, yeah, ODU series
is is cancelled.

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Let's see here.
It's got we got games that's

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going to be played 2526 and 30
still in Blacksburg.

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All the Norfolk games are
cancelled.

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Sorry, Chris.
Now, this is this is my take.

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This is my take first, that's
because I'm talking about it,

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but this is my take When you
when you scheduled that.

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But to me it was done.
But anyway, you scheduled it.

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We was at a certain position.
Some people said, OK, you need

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to get down there and recruit.
No, just recruit better like big

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schools in the state.
I don't care what y'all think.

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Alabama, Auburn, Oh, we ain't
Alabama.

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Auburn in Virginia, you're
close.

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Alabama and Auburn ain't going
to UAB, which is a good school.

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Alabama and Alabama, they're
going to South Alabama.

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They're not going to those
schools and play.

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First of all, they ain't going
to play them because they ain't

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got nothing to like gain from
it.

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But if they do play them,
they're going to make them come

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to them.
So like where I live in

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Huntsville, AL A&M, historically
black school played Auburn.

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They didn't come to Huntsville
to play them.

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They made them come to Auburn to
play them.

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They made them.
Come that's.

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Right.
So things like that is just

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like, even if you're not in a
certain position, you need to

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try to run the program like you
going to get to that position.

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So I didn't really like the
series from the beginning.

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But then when you go down there
and get your ass whooped and get

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your stuff stole, you can't back
out then because you look like

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you're running.
So you got to stay and and play

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a couple of games.
But now it's the time.

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OK, if we going to play y'all,
y'all got to come see us.

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You know what I'm saying?
Come on down here, take your ass

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whooping gone back to the house.
I'm, I'm going to throw it to,

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to Dwight right here because I
know that that was he was knee

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deep in that whole series
because you got a daughter that

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was going there too, right?
She's a she's a rising senior

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and you know, we took that L So
let me speak on this.

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I was probably the front runner
on Twitter, or I'm going to call

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it Twitter.
I don't call it XI was the front

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runner on there.
And I I was adamant, even if we

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had one that year, that we
should not be going down there.

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And This is why I feel like
sometimes the people with shirts

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and ties, it's not because I
played, it's only because I know

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the 757.
I was there during the golden

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era and I understand the
dynamics recruiting.

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Like for example, you know,
people say we got a beach kid.

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A beach kid is they have tons of
talent in the beach kid and on

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the beach side, the South side.
But you know, Norfolk,

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recruiting a Norfolk kid is
completely different from

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recruiting a beach kid.
Same thing with a new or

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Portsmouth kid, Norcom versus a
kid that might be at Salem.

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So playing old to you and being
old to you is not going to sway

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a kid.
The thing you got to do when you

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recruit is connect with the
streets in the 757 and the eight

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O 4.
And the reason it's not to say

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it's about being urban or hood.
It's more so the demographic and

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the relationships down there are
with the guys like my homie Red

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and all the people that ran the
thoroughbreds and things like

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that.
The trainers, the guys that are

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the youth leagues, you know,
those guys in the barbershop.

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That's one thing Stein Spring
was a master at.

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He was a household name playing
old to you.

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I said on Twitter.
We benefited nothing.

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I was adamant about cutting the
ECU series even though ECU

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recruited me.
Loved ECU a lot.

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It was a great game there when I
played but when we signed I felt

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like a death sentence to play
them for 20 something years.

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I remember just back when I used
to write for Rivals and before I

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went to 247 and I wrote for them
and I and A fan hit me and it

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was a booster.
I know when a booster hits me,

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my mentions, they talk
completely different than a fan

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and he was like Dwight, you need
to understand they cut us a

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serious check during the
tragedy.

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I said good for them, thank you.
We don't owe them anything more

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than just what we give them with
the football piece.

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And again, when ECU was very
good before roughing that got

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let go, it was a game that made
sense because they had the

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respect.
I just felt like we overreacted

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and when we cut ECU, we really
to this day, man, and I've

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talked about this on y'all y'all
platform before.

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One thing tech has to understand
you never want to be and we have

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a history of this somebody's
signature win.

443
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,960
We will owe to you.
We will owe to.

444
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,480
You liberty.
And see nothing.

445
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,640
I don't want to bring up just
Fuente because it's not just

446
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,120
him.
It was Wit and even Weaver to

447
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,720
some degree, God rest his soul,
that overreacted to these

448
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,440
series.
And you got to know your brand.

449
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,840
You got to know your worth.
We're trying to get back there,

450
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,280
but O to you, I remember walking
out and that's why I said I

451
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
can't go back there because that
was a fan behind me.

452
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800
He was talking a little reckless
and it you know, they beat us

453
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,560
the year we went three and eight
and I he was just talking to

454
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,640
calling us chokeys and all that,
and I turned around.

455
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,640
Of course, his body language
shifted, but I wasn't about to

456
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,400
put my hands on him.
I just told him, like I said,

457
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,880
you think we're really the
Virginia Tech you grew up on?

458
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,040
This ain't really a signature
win for y'all.

459
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,320
Mind you, this was the second
time they beat us.

460
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,640
The first time really threw us
off our path.

461
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000
I started, got her, broke his
leg and on top of we were 13th

462
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,440
in the country off a great win
against FSU.

463
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,960
And that whole week I was
completely anxious because I

464
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,640
knew the team was up for it.
But that was a solid ODU team

465
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,280
and playing in that stadium and
the way our fans travel, it just

466
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,160
didn't make sense.
I was elated that we did that

467
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080
because you got to respect your
own brand.

468
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,400
And you know, I don't believe in
I believe in helping the the in

469
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,720
state schools, but UVA and Tech
have overreacted both.

470
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,680
I know this is a tech show, but
UVA and Tech both overreacted.

471
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,840
And here's my push back.
One last point.

472
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,120
And I remember I got a little
push back on this on Twitter,

473
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,600
but I don't run from
confrontation.

474
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,240
I'm like, OK, so it's all about
helping the smaller in state

475
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,200
schools.
OK well bet that get Hu and

476
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,360
Norfolk State and Union on
Virginia State on your schedule

477
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,520
then get them HPC.
They need the money they.

478
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,560
Need.
To get real, they get real

479
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,440
quiet.
When I cleared that, they got

480
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,600
real quick.
When I see that let's get

481
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,160
Norfolk State now.
Well, be careful now because

482
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,640
it's there.
But my point being is if you

483
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,760
really want to help in state
schools, help some HBC us out

484
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Liberty.
OK, yeah, I get it.

485
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,760
You don't need.
Any money but but.

486
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,120
But but like you said, bring
stayed up the street, you know,

487
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,360
put a little bread in your
pocket, you know, give them a

488
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:29,320
little exposure, give them a
little back down the road.

489
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,040
We're getting to a point where
that stuff's not going to happen

490
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,320
anymore because it's somebody
put it in the chat get WVU get

491
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,280
Tennessee.
You got to have eyes on you and

492
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,640
I like what you said Dwight and
I and I'll copy it and we're

493
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,040
going to move on to the next
subject.

494
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Those that we were there Super
Bowl.

495
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,560
They got up so hard for those
games.

496
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,720
Their fans got up so like it it
was lose lose you you beat them

497
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,600
by 40.
You you lose from Jesus Christ.

498
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,160
Go ahead, Brian.
I.

499
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,360
Was just going to say like the
other thing I got like, you

500
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,240
know, Dwight, you were talking
about, you don't need needing to

501
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,360
know the, you know, the
barbershop, the thoroughbreds.

502
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,360
Like if you're not connecting
with those people and if you're

503
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,200
not in the high schools, it
don't matter whether you're

504
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,640
playing one game down in Norfolk
every other year.

505
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,360
Yep.
Like that's not moving the

506
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,200
needle.
That's not doing anything from a

507
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,600
recruiting standpoint, so.
AOB yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

508
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,880
Your point.
Because you, you just, you go

509
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,560
ahead because there's something
about you say about Norfolk.

510
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200
Yeah, I was just saying like at
at some point, if you're not

511
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,680
doing all the things you need to
do to close the deal on these

512
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,400
guys, just playing a game down
there is is not changing the

513
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800
trajectory of whether a player
is going to come to to

514
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,160
Blacksburg or not.
It's not.

515
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,440
And just to your point, I went
to the Maury Highland Springs

516
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,600
state championship game.
Maury was missing instead of

517
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
running back and somebody else.
Highland Springs, that was their

518
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,360
5th state championship under
Lauren Johnson, right.

519
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,240
And I remember I went and Maury,
this is Maury.

520
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040
They are they are arguably the
best program in the state right

521
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,360
now.
They're one of the tops, right.

522
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,200
And I remember going there and
the eight O 4 Richmond was well

523
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,440
represented to the point and I'm
not even it didn't matter for

524
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,320
me, but Highland Springs had
more players there.

525
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,320
It was a cold day in Norfolk.
Maury's down the street, but a

526
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,480
lot of those guys were watching
on their phone around the way.

527
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,440
Yeah, that's what I mean about
Chris and I are 757 guys when I

528
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,000
talk about seven cities down
there, including the surrounding

529
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,760
areas, Williamsburg and those
areas.

530
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,040
You, you even though you are 30
minutes apart, whatever, 30

531
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,080
miles apart with the tunnel and
all of that in close proximity,

532
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,040
for a lot of people going across
the water is a chore with the

533
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280
tunnel.
You know, like I'm, I'm this

534
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,800
like that's why I was like
y'all, they got to start

535
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,280
consulting with people that
actually and I'm not taking

536
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,600
shots at and Whitney and his
staff because I I talked away.

537
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,160
I'm just saying at the end of
the day, all these people that

538
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,560
get paid these salaries, I'm
like, talk to somebody that

539
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,080
knows consult.
Listen, I'm a big movie and TV

540
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
show guy, right.
If you talking about like if you

541
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,040
own like the wire or if you
trying to watch power or

542
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840
something, the first thing you
do when you go to a new area is

543
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,800
find the plugs and the connect.
And you find.

544
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680
You find out where you can go,
who really running stuff.

545
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,920
We just run down there and do a
thing with owe to you.

546
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,640
And I'm just like, bro, I'm glad
we did win that last one down

547
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,080
there.
But still them other ones

548
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,800
because again, Liberty, JMU and
and ODU celebrate those wins.

549
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,560
And here's the thing about JMU.
One time they beat Virginia Tech

550
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,720
in the history of their program,
they still celebrate that.

551
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
Still talking about it.
Still talk about it we.

552
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Won the ACC that we went to the
Orange Bowl, yeah.

553
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,400
So I'm glad, yeah.
Listen, I got to throw a plug in

554
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240
there right quick because we've
been talking about a couple

555
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240
things for my people.
That's new.

556
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Y'all shouldn't be new.
If you ain't been watching.

557
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,600
You need to watch every week.
We're going to be coming out

558
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280
with some stuff that's going to
be great because that's what we

559
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680
do.
We do have an interview.

560
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,760
We got an interview that's we,
we got it in the in the toaster

561
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,480
right now.
We're going to let y'all know

562
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,200
when it's hot and ready and
we'll pop it out.

563
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Talking about a lot of these
things that these guys have been

564
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,560
bringing up.
We got a kid, y'all may know

565
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,320
him, you may not.
But anyway, Keelan Adams, we do

566
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,760
have a interview with him that
we will be releasing soon.

567
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,640
And I'm just bringing up that he
talks about, you know, even the

568
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,000
tunnel, going home, driving from
tech to home, how the tunnel

569
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,360
effects his, his, his, his
driving home and things like

570
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,480
that.
So things like that are when

571
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,480
Dwight talks about talking to
the people who actually do it

572
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,440
when you're recruiting a kid.
And I don't want to get too deep

573
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,720
into it.
I'm going to let Keelan do his

574
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,320
talking when it when it drops.
But when you recruit a kid and

575
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,200
you have somebody who has been
in that in those shoes or still

576
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,800
in those shoes and say, Oh yeah,
yeah, I'll make that drive all

577
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440
the time.
Or I go this route all the time

578
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080
and this is easy or this is
hard.

579
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,040
That's recruiting.
You know what I'm saying?

580
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240
1 fucking game going down there
and getting robbed and and

581
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760
getting stuck in an elevator
ain't going to help you win or

582
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,680
lose a kid like.
We got.

583
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,600
We got.
You've got to.

584
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Come on man.
Yeah, he said.

585
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,240
Dealing with that tone and
everything else, like I said, if

586
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160
you don't have people that are
there talking to people.

587
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,920
We had one kid that was a big he
end up going to school up north

588
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,800
and I think I talked to that kid
like 7 or 8 times, right?

589
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,360
And he told me every time he's
like, listen, if you know, if

590
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,360
y'all were in the big 10, I
would have went.

591
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400
But he came and some went and
met his trainer over in Norfolk.

592
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
But he was a kid that was, you
know, went to war and y'all go

593
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,560
decipher through all that.
So it's to the point man, kids

594
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,000
got to make a conscious decision
to it's a it is a definite, hey,

595
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,840
when am I leaving to go through
the tunnel because I know I got

596
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
to get over here.
If I'm going to train tonight at

597
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,600
7:00, I can't leave from over
there at 6:00 because from 3:30

598
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,480
to about 5530 you sitting in
traffic.

599
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Right.
No doubt.

600
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,440
And and and that's and that's
life.

601
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,080
And you have to deal with that.
If I'm going to tech, I'm like,

602
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,760
I what am I leaving?
If I want to get there by 4?

603
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,320
I got to leave out of here by
9:00.

604
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,880
My wife fusses with me on a
regular basis.

605
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,640
I was like, hey, babe, let's get
across the tunnel before we get

606
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,840
something to eat.
Now I want to eat on this side

607
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,440
and then we always get damn
caught.

608
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,040
She listened tonight.
So I wanted to know it's your

609
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,320
fault when we late going up the
tech because you want to eat on

610
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080
this side.
We don't cross the water.

611
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Just a lot.
We don't support what he's

612
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:47,200
saying.
And look, look and check this

613
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,600
out.
Here's another little nugget.

614
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Last year, ODU believe, I
believe they signed 28 players

615
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,480
out at a high school in the
portal.

616
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:02,400
None were from the 757, not one
number. #2 #2.

617
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Being a certified 757 ambassador
that I am right?

618
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Check this out.
The way our area operates, you

619
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,000
got to have credibility.
Even though OD U's had some

620
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,720
great moments.
My daughter goes there.

621
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,400
I know some guys on the football
team.

622
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,240
I respect them.
Chris Malone, former tech guy

623
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400
coach there, Stein spring coach
there.

624
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,440
I I love the basketball program.
I love the school.

625
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080
But here's the thing, guys in
the 757 when they made a

626
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,160
decision to recruit based off
that matchup, nobody around the

627
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,360
way is going to be like, oh, yo,
I seen y'all be old to you.

628
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,480
That's not the same that you got
to understand how again, the

629
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,840
demographic and the way the
culture in our area in the 757

630
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,720
works.
Everything's about big matchups.

631
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Like it's it's not it's not
about like, OK, it's cool,

632
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,440
because it's not like you go
down there and you do enter the

633
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Sandman.
It's not like you go down there

634
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,600
and then on top of it his.
Work is.

635
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,480
You had you don't at the time
when you went down there that

636
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,239
one year, you were 13th in the
country.

637
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,800
But even in that year you were
fresh off of FSU with, but you

638
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,639
didn't have any household names.
You had talent.

639
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,480
You had, you know, all Trayvon
Hill, but you didn't have we are

640
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,199
big on household names.
Everyone is not just tech fans.

641
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,639
So, for example, Kyra on drones
go down there.

642
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,239
Oh yeah, I'm going to see
drones.

643
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,000
I'm going to see KD because KD
is must see TV Tooting.

644
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,199
Those guys are how again, I
don't.

645
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,639
It's saying this like nobody
that was on the previous teams.

646
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,320
You going down there with a
transfer of quarterback that's

647
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
the size of a toddler or muppet
babies?

648
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,760
That's not going to work, man.
Hello man.

649
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,199
Hello.
Hello.

650
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Hello, Dwight Curtis.
Curtis, what you got for me,

651
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,080
man?
Because Dwight finna get

652
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,040
started.
Yeah, Do I download the clip

653
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,800
tonight?
Let's go.

654
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,960
I'm just saying go ahead Kurt,
I'm just y'all, y'all know me.

655
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,880
Look at the end of the day, I'm
just saying man, like I'm just

656
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
speaking on what I know.
If we were talking electrical

657
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,520
engineering, I'll be on mute.
I'll mute myself.

658
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,680
I can't talk.
I can't hear you, Curtis.

659
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,600
Mute Curtis Sheldon, take it
for.

660
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Sean, what you got?
Oh, he's gone well, all right.

661
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120
Well, I think that was good
discourse.

662
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,520
We're talking about just some
news and notes from around the

663
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,720
the Hokies here in the ACC as
well.

664
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,760
Injury reports.
ACC recently announced that

665
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,640
they're going to require teams
to release injury reports in

666
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,120
football, basketball, both
basketballs and baseball as

667
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,280
well.
That had been talked a little

668
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,160
bit for a while now, at least
for all conference games.

669
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,000
So obviously we know why this is
happening, mostly because of

670
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,280
sports betting, because of how
many, how much money people have

671
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,040
in the line here.
And I saw it was it was funny.

672
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,400
I saw someone on Twitter joke
that Brett probably would

673
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,720
probably just list every single
person on the roster as

674
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,800
questionable.
OK, some some ambiguous, some

675
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,280
ambiguous injury timelines as of
late and some questionable

676
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,560
personnel decisions with regards
to some injured injured.

677
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Players.
Last year.

678
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,720
So I think it's I mean, I think
it's fine.

679
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080
I I'm not a sports betting
person, but I can understand

680
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,840
from that perspective why it can
be frustrating when you don't

681
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,600
you know, when when certain
people have inside information

682
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,000
that other people don't have why
that can lead to some problems.

683
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,040
So I think it's I think it's
good.

684
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,800
Well, for me, I mean, go ahead.
OK, I can be hurt.

685
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,400
No, go ahead, Chris.
No, no, I'm going to go ahead.

686
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Go.
We listen.

687
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,840
Well, I mean, it gets to, I like
what you said.

688
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,680
It's almost perfect.
It's like those injury

689
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,400
timelines.
So us as fans who aren't Privy

690
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,240
to everything, you know,
sometimes we are, sometimes we

691
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,000
ain't.
I don't know is what it is.

692
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,240
If you keep putting somebody
questionable in 2-3 weeks, they

693
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,880
ain't like they ain't
questionable.

694
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,080
They're out.
They're fucking hurt.

695
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,720
So you can't, you can't put that
facade anymore, especially

696
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,200
because the way Tech plays this
year, after week four, week 5,

697
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,880
we have nothing but conference
games from the 1st of October to

698
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,240
the end of the season.
So there is going to be no

699
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,640
facade.
If somebody's hurt and they keep

700
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,280
saying questionable,
questionable, questionable, like

701
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,360
they're not questionable,
they're out.

702
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,600
They're fucked up.
Yeah, yeah.

703
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,800
Hey, Brett.
Brett played that game last

704
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880
year, man, was it?
Was it?

705
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,600
He was Syracuse.
Syracuse.

706
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480
He played it perfect though, you
know what I'm saying now when

707
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,440
you talk about cheating, when
you talk about cheating, like

708
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,680
I'm a cheater, I like to cheat
when it comes to sports now,

709
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000
like if I can cheat and get away
with it, I'm good.

710
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,360
So if you can work that, if you
can work that system the way he

711
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360
did to kind of be have some
people off to Oh yeah, yeah,

712
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,320
just warm up and act like we can
go, hey, you got to finish the

713
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,440
game and then it looks right
though, you know what I'm

714
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:56,760
saying?
If.

715
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,720
You.
Finish the game and it looks

716
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,400
right, then I'm good.
But like, yeah, they're going to

717
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,760
put they're going to put an end
to that man.

718
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,720
Because when you start to get
into the NIL stuff and you got

719
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,240
people that you know, probably
have some things tied to it and

720
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,280
you know, this person is is is
marketing this team and they're

721
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,680
expecting to see their logo here
on this game and then it doesn't

722
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,880
happen.
That's where you start to when

723
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,120
money gets involved, some stuff
get real, so.

724
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,880
Definitely, I mean, we we saw
that last year when money got

725
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,400
involved, a lot of folks that,
you know, couldn't should have

726
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400
been playing, didn't play
because the money was on the

727
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,960
line.
So I mean, you know, it, it is

728
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,040
that that's, that's that's how
it ends up happening.

729
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,920
So this is just the next step
with that, with them putting out

730
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,320
the engine reports.
But it's going to be to the

731
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,280
point, Hey, if a guy they're
going to make everybody.

732
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,440
So if you're going to play on
Wednesday, then they'll monitor

733
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680
it out and look at it.
But at the end of the day, man,

734
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,880
you got to get wins that that
the move that they made with

735
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Syracuse was masterful.
It was out there.

736
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Yeah, everybody stayed quiet.
I was so proud of that

737
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,040
situation.
And it is what it is, man.

738
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,720
They're going to have, they're
going to have to make people put

739
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,080
it out there.
Yeah.

740
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,160
Definitely will.
One more thing before we get

741
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,880
into the season, and this is for
the future and it's about money.

742
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
And you know, Dwight, you're an
alumni.

743
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Sheldon, you're an alumni.
Chris, your son will be an

744
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,760
alumni in the near future.
Y'all seen it get posted about

745
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,400
with going to the board of
visitors Friday this week and

746
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,160
basically saying we are behind,
we need money.

747
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,520
Y'all think he's going to get
what he needs to get?

748
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,840
So go ahead.
So I'll.

749
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,760
I'll, I'll you, you were harping
on this a little earlier, so.

750
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Yeah.
Well, he's, he's definitely not

751
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,880
going to get all of what he's
going to get.

752
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,040
I think he probably, you know,
wants to lay out everything he

753
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,640
wants to get.
And hopefully you can kind of,

754
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,800
you know, meet somewhere in the
middle.

755
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,160
But it was really a pitch to
sort of tell the board of

756
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,280
visitors, OK, this is what the
plan needs to be.

757
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,120
This is the funding we need to
have and we need to think about

758
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
all of the different avenues we
can go about to secure that that

759
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,040
funding.
So I certainly have my

760
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
criticisms of how things have
been managed in the past.

761
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,800
I think, you know, we saw the
the Reach for Excellence

762
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600
campaign that started in 2019
was like an 8 year plan.

763
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,560
It seems like it doesn't really
exist anymore.

764
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,040
You know, they had the football
enhancement fund that, you know,

765
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,040
kind of beat up the coaching
salaries a few years ago when

766
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,960
when pride came in.
But you know, we're still kind

767
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,720
of the spot where we're
constantly trying to play catch

768
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,320
up.
So I don't know.

769
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,160
I mean, I think there's a lot of
complexities, you know, becomes

770
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,600
like the real high, the high
level.

771
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080
You know, funding mechanisms and
just like the internal politics

772
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,600
of these administrations.
So I try not to kind of, you

773
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,120
know, delve into it too much,
but I will say it's it's good

774
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120
that BT is being proactive and
trying to find new solutions.

775
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,160
But I just think that in the
current environments without any

776
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,000
sort of like fundamental
restructuring of certain

777
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,320
organizational sort of
organizations like the Hokie

778
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Club, I think they're they're
they're, you know, fighting a

779
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:58,560
losing battle so.
No, I, I with you, Shelton, You

780
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,840
know what I'm saying?
Kind of what you're saying.

781
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Maybe some stuff there that you
do get.

782
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080
But I mean, it's about wins
though.

783
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,960
It's about winning programs.
It's about winning sports.

784
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,360
If you can go, if you attack
from a place of power, sure, you

785
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,640
make it.
Get what you want.

786
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,320
You know, I ain't going to say
you're going to get all that,

787
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,400
but you got to put some stuff
together, win the games you're

788
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,600
supposed to win and sneak some.
You're not in any sport.

789
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,280
Then you can start talking about
adding stuff and building and

790
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,400
all that because most people,
they just get tired of you.

791
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,880
You know, they want you going
anyway.

792
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,560
So when you're going to ask them
for stuff and you've been not

793
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,520
handling it the way you're
supposed to, you know, it is

794
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,760
what it is.
Quick question though, that was

795
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,040
in the chat.
Put that up that Marlowe posted

796
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,160
when she's talking about the the
reports that says is the reports

797
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,360
just stating that they're
injured or will it be detailed?

798
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,320
Yeah, I think it's my
understanding is it's it's

799
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,240
follows the kind of NFL model of
probable questionable and outs.

800
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,480
That's my.
That's my.

801
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,040
Understanding, right, Yeah,
yeah, kind of like an but go

802
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,440
right.
But going back to what you said

803
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,640
about the money, you know,
watching ACC media day for for

804
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,280
to sit there and listen to Dabo
say I made this decision 17

805
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,720
years ago to do the IPTY thing
they do down there at Clemson

806
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,720
and things of that nature and
kind of piggyback.

807
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,520
And we're talking to Dwight and
with John and with Tally.

808
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,280
I I'll be wanting to call them
all kinds.

809
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,360
Jonathan J big yard, you turned
around, you missed you missed

810
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,320
that window to get that coffer
built up a certain kind of way.

811
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,360
If you missed that window by
just saying, hey, get $10 to the

812
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,760
hokey, you know this, whatever
month, you know, I don't have to

813
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,160
give, I give, my wife gives
every month.

814
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,480
And it's just to the point of
saying, yeah, you did that when

815
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840
you were in your heyday.
You wouldn't have had this

816
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,840
problem with talking about we
had money for this, that and the

817
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,120
third.
It's great that they had a plan

818
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,160
for it, but they kind of missed
that window.

819
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,720
So now we're to the point of now
where everybody's throwing money

820
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,200
into it and now we playing catch
up.

821
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,760
So it's going to take a minute
for us to do it.

822
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,240
But winning helps people open,
open people, people's wallet up

823
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,160
a lot quicker if you win.
I I feel like, and I'm old

824
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,120
school on some stuff, new school
on other other topics.

825
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,840
I feel like it's a simple
formula.

826
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,280
If you know, if you the guy, you
know, I'm a movie guy.

827
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,760
So you like you like the movie
casino when you know he kept

828
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,360
having to go back when Nikki was
acting up and Robert De Niro had

829
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,600
to go back and talk to the
people like I need this.

830
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,360
I need that like they would like
yo make us money.

831
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,040
You better make sure these
gambling.

832
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,400
You know, because Robert De
Niro's rolling casino, if you

833
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200
haven't seen it, he went there
to make the mafia money, right

834
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,040
with Bamcock Robert De Niro.
He got when you go to the board

835
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,480
of county supervisors and all of
that, you got to bring money

836
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,360
because when I say bring money,
I'm I'm talking about to wins

837
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000
equal revenue.
You know what I'm saying, Like

838
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,640
if, if I, I agree with Chris's
sentiments, you know, the, the

839
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,680
whole notion of we missed the
window, but you can circle back

840
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,560
on this.
The thing about is, is that

841
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
football drives the bus.
Women's basketball is great.

842
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Men's basketball at times is hit
or miss.

843
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,320
I like Mike Young, but football
drives the bus.

844
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Track and field has been elite.
They got win conference

845
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,520
championships, golf.
For decades.

846
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Tech fans mocked UVA for
celebrating soccer and lacrosse

847
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,680
right when they were going 5:00
and 7:00 and 4:00.

848
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,640
I've always said you don't want
to become that school.

849
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Six and seven is not the
standard.

850
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,400
So like if I say, if Chris say,
hey, Victoria, we need you to

851
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
put in for this money, this Cash
App, give us this money.

852
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Eventually we're like, yo,
Chris, when I'm going to send

853
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,440
the results on my investment,
right?

854
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,080
Absolutely.
And you want some a.

855
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,720
Lot of things, especially in
this economy right now, you got

856
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,600
to be very mindful.
Now I know a lot of tech fans

857
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,440
and Golden Hokies and Platinum
Hokies, they'll donate, they'll

858
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,680
give money.
I've been, I did the the Buff

859
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Foster joint last year up here
in Northern Virginia, the lunch

860
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
pail fundraiser.
And they had me there because

861
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,320
they were like, you know,
whatever storyteller, the way I

862
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,520
tell stories about tech and just
who I am.

863
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,320
I was honored to be there.
And it was a they donated to Bud

864
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Foster.
I wasn't enjoying like I'm

865
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,360
looking at my wallet.
I like I got to make sure I got

866
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,200
enough gas to get home.
They wasn't enjoying who you

867
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040
know, they were just auction off
jerseys and lunch bells and they

868
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,360
throwing money and these are
good people.

869
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,080
I'm at the table with them.
They were asking for the arm

870
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
people and my thoughts, me and
bud go way back.

871
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Obviously they'll give money if
they believe in it, but I just

872
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,880
feel like right now, man, like
the product right now, you we

873
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520
really would benefit from a
major run right now just to get

874
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,520
the morale and energy up.
Because the one thing, the one

875
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,240
entity that hasn't disappointed
yet despite the turnover and

876
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,200
mishaps are the fans.
They continue to show up.

877
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,920
Right, right.
That's why this season is always

878
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,800
important.
Yeah, definitely, definitely

879
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,680
brings us to why we here today.
Just to talk a little bit about

880
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,240
the season preview, what we're
going to be dealing with.

881
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,000
You know, big, big season for
Brett Pryor, big season for him.

882
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,280
Probably most important season
he's had since he's been here at

883
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Virginia Tech.
A lot of moves have been made

884
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,840
this offseason, thank the Lord
Jesus, thank you.

885
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,960
I'm glad you got rid of that
stupid ass offensive line coach.

886
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,000
Thank you.
I can go on and on, but I'm just

887
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,280
saying a lot of things have been
changed up, moved around.

888
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Great.
How y'all feeling about this

889
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,120
season and which move do y'all
think Kind of was the best move

890
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
in each of y'all's opinion.
I'm going to start with Shelton.

891
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Well, I would say, I mean, I
think they needed a change of

892
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,440
DC, even though it was kind of
weird because some of the some

893
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
of the stats were good, but it
was kind of weird because you

894
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,040
had like a bunch of wins against
backup quarterbacks, you know

895
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,560
who, who weren't that good.
And there's some issues with

896
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,160
linebackers development.
So I think that was more of like

897
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
a, a qualitative assessment from
Pride rather than a quantitative

898
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,760
1.
I think you just felt like it

899
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,200
wasn't we didn't have enough
consistency of the linebacker

900
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,040
position, which was more
specialty or supposed specialty.

901
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,800
So I like Steve Kiss.
I really think though, in terms

902
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,240
of what was the biggest upgrade,
I think it was probably

903
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,560
offensive line getting getting
that more.

904
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,400
I think they've they've really
botched that that room over the

905
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,760
past couple years with how just
how poorly they recruited it and

906
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,280
the the development.
You know, we talked a lot about,

907
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,760
you know, how much the old line
kind of Hanford, the rest of the

908
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,120
offense, Chiron getting injured,
you know, not being able to, you

909
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,920
know, having to rely on tune all
the time.

910
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Tune gets injured.
So there were a lot of missteps

911
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,680
there as as tally alluded to.
So I'm really excited and and

912
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,720
and Matt Moore is a very well
reputable coach.

913
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Obviously the job he did at West
Virginia bring in some transfers

914
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,960
to a really talented remack all
tuner, a couple other guys.

915
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,120
So I'm I'm really excited about
about that room.

916
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,880
I just hope that probably can be
here long enough to sort of see

917
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,280
the fruition of that work come
together.

918
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
So if I had to vote for one, I
would say Matt Moore probably

919
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,600
met met the biggest one.
I'm really excited about him.

920
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,080
Chris, what you got from me?
Listen man, all that sounds

921
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,040
great, but the biggest addition
man was the guy who was already

922
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,840
in the building.
Don't take my.

923
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Answer.
I got it.

924
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,960
I'm getting it.
Strength and conditioning was

925
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,760
everything.
We saw so many times in the

926
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,800
third quarter they wilted
because they were not strong

927
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,720
enough.
You had games that you should

928
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:07,960
have won last year when you
watch Cam Ward Daggum since we

929
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,200
movie buffs, right?
You remember when Sunshine

930
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,520
flipped, flipped the linebacker
after after after my man got

931
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,400
hurt.
That's what Cam Ward did to

932
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,400
Burgos and Spencer on 1/4 down
play and you win and you beat

933
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,400
Miami, you get your signature
win.

934
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,160
And it changed the whole
complexion.

935
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,760
But strength and conditioning
was everything.

936
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Guys were in there not getting
healthy.

937
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,240
People were getting hurt, not
coming back.

938
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Stroman left here.
Strowman turned around and got

939
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,520
hurt the year before he got
back, and he did.

940
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,000
He played one game in Vanderbilt
and never got back on the field.

941
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,440
That is all strength and
condition.

942
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,440
And so getting Jared Ferguson,
giving him the job, my guy, my

943
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,600
dude.
And hey, you know, they look

944
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,640
bigger, they look stronger, they
look faster.

945
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,000
My kid looking like, you know, I
got to get a baseball bat on him

946
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,320
and stuff like that.
I'm just saying this, that's the

947
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,120
biggest thing, to be able to be
strong down in the third and

948
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,160
fourth quarter.
And that makes the difference.

949
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,600
We lost so many games because we
were winded and not strong

950
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,440
enough to win.
All right, so so I'm going I'm

951
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,960
going to throw this Dwight.
I know he he jumped on you.

952
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,600
I knew he was going to do that.
I knew.

953
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,200
But.
But, but, but you know the

954
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,800
record, for the record, in your
Twitter Spaces post game, I said

955
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,000
this after Game 2, because after
the Vanderbilt game, I said

956
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,760
that.
I said, you know, when you're up

957
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,600
2720, I don't care if you're on
the road or a neutral site or

958
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,120
even at home, you finish that
game.

959
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,840
Vanderbilt, you came back and
you're up 7-8.

960
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,520
And I know it was, it was
unbearably hot.

961
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,760
But you don't lose that game.
A tech defense that had

962
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,080
experienced it doesn't lead
that.

963
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,840
But I mean, Chris took my
answer.

964
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,240
But I mean, yeah, go ahead, No.
No, no, no, no.

965
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,120
So when I was going to when I
was going to throw to you,

966
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Dwight, just because I knew that
was your answer to to kind of

967
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,960
feed off that because you've
been in those locker rooms,

968
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,040
you've played and a lot of
people ask the question because

969
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,560
they don't know.
Some people will say, well, what

970
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,840
strength and conditioning have
to do or what is a strength and

971
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,160
conditioning coach have to do
with injuries or you know, when

972
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,160
somebody's injury and getting
back, that's the that should be

973
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,400
the doctor that handles that.
So.

974
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Can you speak about that a
little bit?

975
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Well, I mean, I just, I just
think, you know, when I remember

976
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,160
my guy Drift on Twitter, he
said, oh, I didn't know anybody

977
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,840
was calling for that.
Then like 100 people tagged me

978
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,200
and he was like, oh, I never saw
you tweeting about him being

979
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,600
fired.
I'm like, yo dude, no

980
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,480
disrespect, but that's what I
ain't calling for.

981
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Nobody.
I always laugh when people do

982
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,960
that, call people be fired.
I see everybody that I rock with

983
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,120
on Twitter.
He needs to be.

984
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,800
They ain't listening to you.
You got 77.5 followers.

985
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,200
They're not listening to you.
You're not.

986
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,120
They're not listening .5.
Yeah, I was.

987
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,000
I was yelling.
I'd definitely be yelling for

988
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,840
folks to get fired.
No, I get it that that's, that's

989
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,720
the one.
But for me, I'm always going to

990
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,920
be logical about.
I just put it out there because

991
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,360
I know people hear me and see
what I what I post when it comes

992
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,920
to strength and conditioning.
If you watch the ACC media day,

993
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,840
when Eddie Royal asked drunk
drones about it and the transfer

994
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,040
from Wake, they both put their
head down.

995
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,120
It's like, yo Jared, man, JD.
And when he got the job, you saw

996
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,880
all the guys from those 2000
teams, you know all the guys

997
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,040
that played during the early ACC
years in 2004 and those years.

998
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,040
Talk about what Jarrett meant to
them, the Jr.

999
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,720
Collins and all those guys,
right?

1000
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,440
I don't think fans understand.
Even if you played, when it gets

1001
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,720
to the Power 4, the D2, the D3,
or even mid major level, your

1002
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,200
strength and conditioning is the
foundation of your program.

1003
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,960
Two things have to be in play,
your recovery and also your

1004
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,920
endurance, which includes mental
toughness.

1005
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
They were not.
They were not conditioning

1006
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,880
during the season.
I know this.

1007
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,320
To me, they were not
conditioning offseason.

1008
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,720
The stream coach encouraged
them, not Jared.

1009
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,440
The other one that he replaced
encouraged them to work out with

1010
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,200
other people.
You know what I'm saying?

1011
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
So, like, you got to understand
the offseason program, when the

1012
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,400
dead period happens, coaches
can't talk to players.

1013
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,040
They can't even be in the room.
Does it happen?

1014
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,320
Yeah.
But most of the time you talk to

1015
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,280
anybody that's played, you might
see your position coach, they're

1016
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,920
out recruiting, coaching
clinics, golf, vacationing.

1017
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,400
That means who has the players
during the offseason, the

1018
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,360
strength and conditioning.
So.

1019
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,840
This means like again, I'm I
know I'm the OG, I'm old, but

1020
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,240
here's the thing, I'm still
relevant.

1021
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,400
That means running stadium steps
with a weighted vest on flip

1022
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,240
driving tires, pushing pickup
trucks.

1023
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,040
This is what Jared brings to the
table.

1024
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,320
He's a, he's a Mike Gentry
disciple with the modern day

1025
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,480
approach.
And what I'm saying, he knows

1026
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,120
what he's doing.
It's not just an exercise

1027
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,600
science degree you got out of a
box of Cheerios.

1028
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,120
This is a guy that has been UNC.
Still look like he can play.

1029
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,480
Yeah, man, just stop, man.
He was a great warrior.

1030
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,920
But from brother I, I, I Chris,
I don't, I don't.

1031
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,800
I didn't mean any harm.
I was playing with him when he

1032
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,720
took my answer because I said
this to him.

1033
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,320
We talk after games, meet him
and.

1034
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,960
Talent.
And I talked to Chris Coleman

1035
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,000
from Texas Online and I kept
saying we don't know how to

1036
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,120
finish.
I said they got to learn how to

1037
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,800
win.
But finishing is like, I

1038
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,680
remember, I hate to bring up
ODU, that law.

1039
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,640
I say ODU but I remember and I
was at 3 and 18, but I remember

1040
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,400
my son looked at me and said
we're going to lose this game.

1041
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,160
We had 4 dropped interceptions
and he was like we're not making

1042
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,240
game-winning plays.
Now you say, well, Victoria,

1043
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,080
what does that have to do with
strength and conditioning,

1044
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,080
mental toughness, fatigue, and I
quote, makes cowards.

1045
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,320
Of us, all of us all that's a
Jimmy.

1046
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,920
John's quote tired and you're
playing a solid Syracuse, you

1047
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,480
know, and this is how I know
this works.

1048
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Every game.
Last year we were up, Syracuse,

1049
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,960
Clemson, we were dominating.
I begin to get a little turn in

1050
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,600
my stomach because in my mind
I'm like, man, hopefully we can

1051
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,440
hold on because we're not we're
not going to we're not going to

1052
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,920
hold up.
We don't hold up.

1053
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,880
You know, here's another
example.

1054
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Go back and check the tape.
I know Shell, you're great at

1055
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,520
this.
Check the tape.

1056
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,920
Look how many times in those
games, in conference games where

1057
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,280
you went 2-3 of them, you're
going to a better bowl, more

1058
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,520
money, more exposure.
Look at the times it was third

1059
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,480
and one, third and two, fourth
and one, and we just get the

1060
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,800
pile just moves.
I'm like, man.

1061
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,960
We are soft.
Or you playing Miami and you're

1062
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,080
trying to win and you go for a
fake field goal, Yeah.

1063
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,760
Run it down their throat.
So again, I didn't mean to be

1064
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,600
long with on an answer, but I'm
very about it because it's not

1065
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,120
just about, you know, because
somebody said, well, that guy

1066
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,200
last year he had that squat
record.

1067
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,080
I said, listen, man, anybody
that's played high school ball,

1068
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,000
college or even pro knows it's a
lot of guys right now.

1069
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,440
I'm a member of lifetime
Athletic here in Gainesville.

1070
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,720
I see guys in there like and
I'll be looking and they'd be

1071
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,360
doing all that stuff making
noise.

1072
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,440
I'll be looking at them.
I'm like, you know what?

1073
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,200
I would run through him on 4th
and one pause, but I would

1074
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,000
destroy.
It.

1075
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,920
I can hear you.
Go ahead, Chris.

1076
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,640
Go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead.

1077
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,240
No, because it's got it's got to
be functional and movable

1078
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,200
weight, which is great because
Kamari Copeland is a is a

1079
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,680
workout warrior, loves the gym,
does all those different things.

1080
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,320
But it's just the the attitude
around the whole gym and around

1081
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,480
the program with those guys that
they're they're cohesive to

1082
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,960
working together, cheer for each
other and they fight they asses

1083
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,640
off to get to the weekend.
And that's what Ferg makes them

1084
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,880
understand that.
I love the fact that that the

1085
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,520
old guy had like attacked the
day.

1086
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,920
But when we're attacking in the
day and nobody's coming back,

1087
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,680
nobody's coming back from
injury.

1088
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,640
Guys are getting soft tissue
injuries and they don't come

1089
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,760
back and we are not finishing
games.

1090
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,440
Vanderbilt, we got tired.
Syracuse, we got tired every

1091
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,560
time we turn around in the game.
We lost six games and the only

1092
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,640
game that we were out of the
game totally, what we didn't

1093
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,240
think we would win was the bowl
game.

1094
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,840
All the rest of them we could
have won.

1095
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,560
You win three of those daggum
games.

1096
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,880
We ain't even.
It's a totally different vibe

1097
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,400
around there.
Me and Dwight probably would

1098
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,480
have talked every day.
Dwight didn't want to talk to me

1099
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,320
because Dwight was like, I ain't
trying to get none of that.

1100
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,680
We've got to win.
Curtis Mute.

1101
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,640
You mute on me, I'll jump in.
Together, I want to say while

1102
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,520
you get your sound together,
Shelton's point about Matt and

1103
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,040
the old line coach, that is
probably my 1A answer.

1104
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,600
I will say this, and everyone
knows I advocated for Todd

1105
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,120
Washington and it wasn't just
because of our brotherhood and

1106
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,720
the fact that I thought he was
qualified.

1107
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,520
I just felt like, and I've
tweeted this every year when you

1108
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,320
had Alabama and Georgia playing
for the national championship or

1109
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,800
the the College Football
Playoff, I kept saying on

1110
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,160
Twitter, I kept saying on my
pods and different things with

1111
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,160
my guy.
Danny notes.

1112
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,280
Look at the direct correlation
between the very good football

1113
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,200
programs.
We tend to look at the sexy

1114
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,080
positions, the receivers and the
running backs and the five

1115
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,800
stars.
It's the Los, the line of

1116
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,680
scrimmage.
If you look, not just the SEC

1117
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,440
looking even in the ACC, the old
line and D line play have to be

1118
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,680
critical.
I thought both coordinators that

1119
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,720
would let go, Boeing and Marv
show flashes.

1120
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,560
I just felt like the
inexperience did us in and I

1121
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,200
felt like, you know, with the
old line thing, it reminded me

1122
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,920
when Wyatt Teller was here, when
it was like, yo, what are we

1123
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,360
doing?
I kept, you know, hearing from

1124
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,040
the people in the program.
Well, you know, he's he's young.

1125
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,760
The other guy him has tenure.
I said Wyatt Teller is a Cyborg

1126
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,760
put.
Him on the What do we?

1127
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,000
And then they finally put and
look, he's an all pro, you know.

1128
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,160
So we got to start and I know we
got to, we're going to tap into

1129
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,560
that, but we got to start really
getting into putting guys in

1130
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,800
position that we know can help
us quicker with the sense of

1131
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,400
urgency.
And if a guy's going to leave

1132
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,520
because he got bench so he's not
performing, let him go.

1133
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,680
I'll, I'll chime in with this
real quick before we kick off to

1134
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,960
the next question.
I think in general we talk about

1135
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,400
what's the best move, just
making moves in general.

1136
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:37,080
Knowing 6 and 7, seven and six
is not the standard at Virginia

1137
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,280
Tech.
That is the first thing that

1138
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,960
people can fucking hate.
Brent Pratt.

1139
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,360
I hate him.
He's stupid.

1140
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,760
I won't fire.
At least he had the balls to

1141
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:53,120
fire a kid that he coached.
He fired to fire other people to

1142
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,520
make quick moves.
And believe it or not, I don't

1143
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,560
think we've had this much
experience at a coordinated

1144
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,120
position in a long ass time.
So Sheldon, you kick it off from

1145
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,760
there because we do have a new
offensive coordinator who

1146
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,840
actually got a decent freaking
background.

1147
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,280
Yep, that's right.
Talking to offense here, Phil

1148
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,120
Montgomery comes in as OC.
He was head coach at Tulsa and

1149
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,160
doubled as the OC there as well.
He had a pretty good track

1150
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,320
record of turning out
quarterbacks, although it was

1151
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,680
more so in the early 20s.
Twenty twins, obviously with RG3

1152
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,160
and a couple more when he was at
Tulsa, but obviously Kyron

1153
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,240
Drones progressed last season.
We talked before about how the

1154
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,320
Hokies were not as efficient in
the short horizontal passing

1155
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,200
games Team starts really take
that away and there was their

1156
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,200
bread and butter during the 2023
season.

1157
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,480
Then you had injuries, you know,
off the line did not do a ton of

1158
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,960
favors.
All that combined to make for a

1159
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,640
not great season statistically
for Kyron, even though, you

1160
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,520
know, he was obviously running a
lot and you know, kind of got

1161
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,640
worn down as a as a scene
progress.

1162
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,400
So I'll, I'll throw this to
Dwight because I'm interested to

1163
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,760
get his opinion here to start.
What, what elements, what

1164
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,600
element of his game play does
Kyron kind of need to recapture

1165
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,360
from that 2023 season to get
back to the form that we kind of

1166
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,160
know he can he can be at?
That's a great question.

1167
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,880
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a KD fan.
I said last year he should have

1168
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,480
been start.
I mean, the year before that he

1169
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,280
should have been started because
I felt like he gave us a

1170
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,440
different dynamic.
Virginia Tech was ahead of the

1171
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,080
curve and their program when it
came to dual threat mobile

1172
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,640
quarterbacks, long before it
became fashionable, long before

1173
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,600
Mike got there.
When you go back to the days of

1174
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,360
Maurice, you say, so this is not
to minimize my God, Will Ferrell

1175
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,120
and Jim Drunkenmiller and even
Brewer, their ability to win

1176
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,440
games and what they did from the
pocket.

1177
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,400
But I felt like Virginia Tech
was head of the game.

1178
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,160
Because if you look at the NFL
right now, everything is RPO

1179
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,480
action with the step of the kid
at the Chargers and a few other

1180
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,600
players, everything they've
adjusted and brought RPO to the

1181
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,280
NFL so much that they've talked
about how long you can hold the

1182
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,160
ball with his own read because
it's too much of an unfair and

1183
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,520
advantage.
I felt like the drones we saw

1184
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,240
that first year, yes, they had
more tape on him last year, but

1185
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,880
I felt like he was healthy, but
I also felt like he was in

1186
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,480
control.
I said in Dom V or Talley's

1187
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,880
live, I said once Pride gives
him the keys to the car, that

1188
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,800
first year he took over, you're
going to see him excel.

1189
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,720
And Pride kept, you know,
saying, well, you know, we need

1190
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,800
everybody all hands on deck.
And I said he's got to give him

1191
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,800
the key.
I don't know.

1192
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,440
I know KD, but I don't know him
personally like that.

1193
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,400
I know football players and I
know the mindset.

1194
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,800
And once he got to the keys to
the car, you saw him take off.

1195
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,360
They won seven games and they
finished the season with a

1196
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,280
strong note. 2 to him were a
great combination.

1197
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,600
I felt last year we went away
from the game plan like so for

1198
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,400
example, I think Brady's the
goat and I the push back to me

1199
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,120
when people say Tom Brady's not
the goat because of the system.

1200
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,840
I always say name a offense and
any level of football that

1201
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,080
doesn't have a system.
When I played for when I when I

1202
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:06,640
played for Ricky Bussell and
Stein Spring and those guys that

1203
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,200
coached at Tech, we had a
system.

1204
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,880
I feel like last year, the
Vanderbilt game, I remember that

1205
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,680
game.
I'm like, why are we coming out

1206
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,800
in four and five wise empty
sets, throwing the ball, run the

1207
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,760
ball.
When you a healthy running game

1208
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,120
as a quarterback's best friend.
What I look for to do this year

1209
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,040
is to play free.
Don't think about the draft.

1210
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,240
You saw flashes of it where he
looked like himself against

1211
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,680
Miami.
He played great again because

1212
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,640
the running game with Pearson,
Prelo's son.

1213
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,800
And two were.
Helping him also think in order

1214
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,240
to help him, please, for the
love of God, can we please start

1215
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,800
using tight ends again, Not just
in the RPO, but down the scene.

1216
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,760
We never attacked, not
consistently the middle of the

1217
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,360
field.
I'm like, stop putting him and

1218
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,960
throwing 9 routes to these
receivers when you're not making

1219
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,480
the safety read the field.
I feel like, you know, people

1220
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,240
talk about, oh, the pushback was
drones can't see the field.

1221
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,520
I feel like his tackle didn't
make him feel comfortable and

1222
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,840
they never even took him out the
game.

1223
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,800
I played old line about the
quarterback feeling

1224
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,640
uncomfortable.
He's got to feel protected from

1225
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,480
his blind side and up the
middle.

1226
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,680
He never looked like we ever
addressed blitz pickup even off

1227
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,320
of bye weeks.
I'm like how do you not know

1228
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,640
exotic blitzes and how to read
different fronts?

1229
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,440
But they weren't exactly.
They weren't exotic, Dwight.

1230
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,360
You know some of them were.
Some of them were.

1231
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,360
I know what you're saying.
Yeah, the majority of the time

1232
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,440
is that he get the ball and he
turned around and by the time he

1233
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,840
look up, somebody's on on his
ass.

1234
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,800
You know, So what I'm talking
about is like zone blister.

1235
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,160
So when the DN, the defensive
tackle drops and the linebackers

1236
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,240
come up and the gaps, you know,
understanding gap integrity from

1237
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,400
the offensive line perspective.
So the answer to put a ball on

1238
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,960
Shelton's question, man, I I
really need drones to be able to

1239
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,920
have a healthy running game and
see the field and play his game

1240
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,960
and and just get out of bounds
slide more.

1241
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,720
I think when you have a
quarterback that's dynamic like

1242
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,040
him, you see it with Lamar.
You saw with my cousin got with

1243
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,120
morning way and Andy Reid when
he got to Philly.

1244
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,040
They allow yes you can talk
about Deshawn Jackson and

1245
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,840
Macklin, but I felt like having
a shady McCoy and quarterback

1246
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,040
RPO friendly plays really helped
him.

1247
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,360
What makes Mahomes great No one
know for those watching and

1248
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,280
that's going to see this.
I'm not saying drones is

1249
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,720
Mahomes, I'm saying Mahomes when
Kelsey was injured and they took

1250
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,440
away Tariq Hill when he left,
you saw him struggle a bit and

1251
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,480
he did not have a great season
last year.

1252
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,960
So drones is still a dynamic
quarterback and he's healthy,

1253
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,280
but I feel like even without 2
and you got to have run game and

1254
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,240
that means whoever the number
one running back going into the

1255
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,680
season.
I said this as well the Georgia

1256
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,240
Tech game when drones got
injured that Hanford him.

1257
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,440
I said in week two, stop running
drones.

1258
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,120
I'm excuse me, stop running
drones so much and stop relying

1259
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,440
on one running back like you
don't have other running back.

1260
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,520
And and they did.
They left.

1261
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,240
We were up 21 to 10 or something
like that.

1262
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,520
And 21/3. 21 three and it's like
take two now.

1263
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,880
So it's you, you can run.
I don't I I feel like sometimes

1264
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,720
Shelton and everyone else when
coaches OCS get a mobile dynamic

1265
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,920
quarterback, they don't really
know how to use them.

1266
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,800
And design runs are cool, but
not so much to the point where

1267
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,360
the old line up front in the
middle is not getting a push.

1268
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,320
So then all that stuff falls on
drones.

1269
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,200
So people talk about the
backward pass against Rutgers or

1270
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,800
the tip interception that he
threw when they were coming back

1271
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,080
to drive.
I think all of that stuff comes

1272
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,720
down to continuity and
confidence.

1273
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:59,080
I feel like his confidence, he
he was, I felt like last year I

1274
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,920
saw him pressing a lot because
he didn't feel comfortable in

1275
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,000
the offense.
And I no disrespect to Tyler

1276
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Bourne, I know him personally.
Disrespect to him?

1277
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,280
Yes.
Respect.

1278
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,440
He can't.
He can't.

1279
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,760
He can't be 1/4.
That was a lazy promotion.

1280
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,280
He can't be a quarterback coach.
And, and, and, and the thing

1281
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,960
about this is that I never
played quarterback.

1282
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,760
When I talked to Let me Think,
Mike Tyrod, guys that I'm close

1283
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,560
to, they talk about the
quarterback coach, like Marcus

1284
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,600
Vick when he was there, they had
to do from NC State of the guy,

1285
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,800
Michael Caine.
He loved, He loved Michael

1286
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,920
Caine.
He talked about him glowingly

1287
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,560
because he said he taught him so
much and that's what we need.

1288
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,280
So I feel like Shelton kind of
touched on it like Drones has

1289
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,680
got to be him and he's just got
to understand you're going to

1290
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,760
have a shot to play in the
league regardless because you

1291
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,440
have the measurables and the
skill set.

1292
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,880
But the offensive coordinator
has to help him.

1293
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,400
Look back to my cousins Heisman
year.

1294
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,160
There was no Heisman campaign.
He finished third in the Heisman

1295
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,440
and a lot of times he would only
pass the ball in the game 1617

1296
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:16,080
times and then he had screens
slants 9 route. 9.

1297
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,600
Play action roll outs to Ricky
Hall and Andre Davis and and

1298
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,279
guess what go back.
I know that was 1999 so

1299
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:27,359
everybody calm down.
I'm saying tight ends Slopkowski

1300
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,760
and Browning win were a major
part of the game plan.

1301
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,200
Jim Druckenmiller had Brian
Jennings, Tyrod Taylor.

1302
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,359
I'm not Tyrod somebody.
Brian Randall had Jeff King and

1303
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:43,399
Marcus Thicke had Jeff King who
is drones tight end last year.

1304
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,640
Benji Gosnell and his brother
Stephen Gosnell, who's.

1305
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,160
Playing, but Benji Gosnell was
not utilized.

1306
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,279
What did I?
What did I tell?

1307
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,640
You Benji Gosnell was used on
screens.

1308
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,640
Benji Gosnell was not used, as
you said, Dwight right up the

1309
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,920
seam making the safeties have to
think safeties instead of

1310
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,920
instead of working against
Benji, we're jumping all of that

1311
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,359
short and intermediate stuff.
That's that Sheldon was talking

1312
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,319
about earlier and that blew that
up.

1313
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,000
You got safeties playing at or
behind the line of scrimmage,

1314
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,680
making plays because we're
dumping the ball off to a tight

1315
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,520
end or throwing something short
to a running back and not using

1316
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,520
the whole field to our
advantage.

1317
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,000
And the way that makes.
Sense and the way that gives the

1318
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,800
quarterback some confidence.
And I think that's the big thing

1319
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,880
for me is that, you know,
Dwight, you touched on it like

1320
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,359
confidence was the big thing.
And when we look back at 23 when

1321
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:37,880
we saw Kyron playing with
confidence, that's the Kyron

1322
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,880
that we know and that's the
Kyron that can go out there and

1323
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,240
take over games.
And I think between a

1324
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:48,120
combination of offensive line
problems, injuries, and just not

1325
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,680
utilizing the tools of the
offense in a way that makes

1326
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,560
sense it it put Kyron behind an
8 ball.

1327
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,200
And like you said, Dwight, he
started pressing.

1328
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,640
Sometimes when you have an
ability, when you are a a highly

1329
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,240
able, talented quarterback and
things aren't quite going the

1330
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,880
way you want to, you end up do
trying to do too much.

1331
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,680
And I feel like there was a lot
of moments last year where he

1332
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,960
was trying to do too much
because he wasn't getting the

1333
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,400
help and support that he needed.
Yeah.

1334
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,440
You're right.
I see the message.

1335
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,600
OK, you're right.
O Kane came later it.

1336
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,160
Was Rogers.
But either way, you're getting

1337
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,960
my drift.
And this one final point to you

1338
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,200
what you're saying BI told this
to to Chris because he's got a

1339
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,200
son on the team.
I'm not surprised I'm up here in

1340
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,320
the DMV.
I'm not surprised Lane is

1341
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,800
killing it in Washington right
now.

1342
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,800
I know it's early.
You know why?

1343
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,720
Because when I talk about
versatility and coaching and

1344
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,880
game planning, I said Lane was
our most consistent, my favorite

1345
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,000
and most reliable wide receiver.
We only used him one way in our

1346
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,120
office.
We never used him.

1347
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,520
You never saw him and if you
did, he still didn't get a touch

1348
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,480
like he should.
Daquan Felton was only used on

1349
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:59,240
straight 9 routes, so you never
really made the offense versus

1350
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,400
versatile.
And I kept saying, I said, oh,

1351
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,400
Virginia Tech didn't realize
everybody in ACC how y'all came

1352
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,680
on strong last year, they're
going to watch tape.

1353
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,800
I don't think the average fan
realizes even with teams that

1354
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
don't make bowl games or even if
you make a bowl game, there's a

1355
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,400
for the quality Staffs to really
elite Staffs.

1356
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,040
There's a group of coaches that
are game planning for next year.

1357
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,120
That's it.
That's it.

1358
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,600
So it's like they just, they
think, oh, how do they know?

1359
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,480
We didn't do anything.
We went to that Vanderbilt game

1360
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:31,880
like Vanderbilt didn't watch
film.

1361
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,520
They watch nothing watch
anything that we did last year.

1362
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,800
Oh, what a difference a year, a
year tape make.

1363
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,920
So my biggest thing is that you
didn't have an identity.

1364
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,800
See, this is the beautiful thing
about coach pride and most

1365
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,320
people.
He'll he he'll say something if

1366
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,160
you listen and he'll tell you
exactly how he feels.

1367
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:54,640
He said in it with his if the
ACC media day, we had to

1368
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,840
recreate the wheel every week.
We had no identity of what the

1369
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,760
offense was going to be from
week to week.

1370
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,120
We were great from the 20 to the
20 and then we scored more

1371
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,640
touchdowns on reverses, trick
plays and screens like that

1372
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,760
inside the red zone.
Nothing.

1373
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,520
That was a staple play that you
could go and win.

1374
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,640
You couldn't beat Miami.
When you turn around and got

1375
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,960
that great play by by Spencer up
the sideline, you need it.

1376
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,560
You need to make a point right
there.

1377
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,120
I'm getting 10 yards no matter
what and you didn't have 4

1378
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,920
plays.
You can say I'm going to run

1379
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,160
these 4 plays and stick and get
this first down and put Miami,

1380
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,480
Miami away.
You scored in Miami, Miami fold

1381
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:36,800
and you beat them in their
building.

1382
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,160
So the biggest thing is having a
guy like Coach Montgomery who

1383
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,080
has had a track record, you go
back and look at we always want

1384
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,120
to go back to RG3.
We'll go back and look at he he

1385
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,520
put, he's always had 1000 yard
receiver, a couple of guys that

1386
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,800
got 67800 yards and 1000 yard
running back.

1387
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,400
So they're going to spread it
out, get the ball in people's

1388
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,440
hands and can make plays and go
from there.

1389
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,800
The offensive line is going to
be amazing because the one thing

1390
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,160
Kyrie need more than anything
else, it's time.

1391
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,200
It's not it's that he don't need
a lot.

1392
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,760
He just need time.
There were times where we would

1393
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,400
see Bayshaw and him getting met
with the defensive end or the

1394
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,440
defensive tackle in the
backfield baseball baseball game

1395
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,960
that led the country or was
Thompson ACC for broken tackles

1396
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,080
because he was always fighting
the guy all right when he

1397
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,600
getting the ball.
So having time, having

1398
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,120
experienced OC, this probably
the best OC they've had.

1399
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,280
I put this in a wire Ricky
bottle.

1400
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,080
This is the Ricky.
Bottle.

1401
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,240
No shot on time, Spring.
Let's slow, let's slow down.

1402
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,440
Let's see what he do first.
Experience.

1403
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:47,640
Experience.
We all see it.

1404
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,440
Let me see.
What?

1405
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,640
He do, at least.
At least be proven to know what

1406
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,080
he's doing now you know he was
down in your neck of the woods,

1407
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,600
Dally, Wood, Auburn, but you
already had an egomaniac and

1408
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,760
Freeze.
That's.

1409
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,800
Right.
So Freeze wanted to call plays

1410
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,000
anyway.
So I just believe Coach Monty

1411
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,920
comes with a system.
He's going to get the very best.

1412
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,880
He's going to highlight what
Tyron does great right and then

1413
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,800
enhance the things that he
doesn't do well.

1414
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,040
But I can tell you this right
now, y'all can go look at all

1415
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,400
the tape you want to last.
Jay Lane didn't run a slant all

1416
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:19,360
year.
No, he didn't.

1417
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,360
He didn't run a slant all year.
That's.

1418
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,640
What do you run 437 at the at
the Commonwealth he ran a 437

1419
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,920
and he never ran a nine.
Never ran.

1420
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,880
Never ran a nine last year.
But you turned around and like I

1421
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,560
said, you had no identity.
You had no offensive identity.

1422
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,160
You were if baseball breaks one
or, you know, we get inside the

1423
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,040
20, we're going to run reverse
with a green.

1424
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,920
We're going we're going to run a
double reverse.

1425
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,920
We're going to throw double
reverse Philly special throw

1426
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,640
over the top the counter.
We going to do some some janky

1427
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,240
stuff to score touchdowns.
But we never turned around and

1428
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,320
just, hey, we got patented plays
to you people.

1429
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,960
You bet you guys never scored
his touchdown win against Miami.

1430
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:01,440
Why?
Because you went right up the.

1431
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,480
Scene.
Right up the scene.

1432
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,840
Yeah, that's what you like.
You y'all said his name a few

1433
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,000
times, so let's talk about him
and what's going to happen since

1434
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,720
we lost him.
Basil Tune, two seasons at Tech

1435
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,480
definitely stamped himself up
there in the upper echelon.

1436
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,720
Over 2000 yards, single game
record 266 against BCI.

1437
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:26,960
Watched that out here in the
backyard that night, but he's

1438
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,280
gone.
Yeah.

1439
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,360
You don't just replace that guy.
You never just replaced that

1440
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,120
guy.
But you know, you had what Tyler

1441
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,520
Mason showed.
We had what Jeremiah showed

1442
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,760
against Syracuse, and for some
reason the fucking next week you

1443
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,440
couldn't read him one time.
Sorry, that's gonna stick on me.

1444
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,200
I mean.
He went nine for 96 and he

1445
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,160
didn't get one carry against
Clemson, but.

1446
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,400
Nope.
Of the young guys on the roster

1447
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,720
of the portal guys, because you
see some of those guys running

1448
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,640
play, they have skill sets.
Chris Lester, Who's your

1449
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,240
favorite player to fill some of
that void?

1450
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,120
For me, I I like the Benny kid a
lot.

1451
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,760
I like the Benny kid a lot only
because it's experience.

1452
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,840
But I think the offense is just
going to be a little bit

1453
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,920
different because I think what's
going to end up happening, it's

1454
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,920
going to be just get get the
ball in space to people.

1455
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,560
So I don't think it's going to
be so much traditional that we

1456
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,720
got like 2.
We get like 16 carries.

1457
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,800
If you look at most of the time
it's 16 to 24 carries.

1458
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,120
I think if you you mix a
combination because talking to

1459
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,840
some of the coaches, they
understand that you don't change

1460
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,480
a pro from a pro, but the depth
you have from prelo to Bennett

1461
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,120
to Terry on you got what they
call him bully.

1462
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,320
I, you know, Terry on Stewart
and then you turn around, you

1463
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,000
got the Hawkins kid.
And then I just kind of want to

1464
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,920
see what Coney, what Coney and
Mason have in this.

1465
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,800
I think to do what I expect us
to do this year, you're going to

1466
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,920
have to it's going to be spread
across the board.

1467
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,160
I know coach process, I'm going
with three out the gate, but for

1468
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,640
you to do what you got to do
this year, you probably going to

1469
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,800
have to run all five of those
cats because that was the

1470
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,040
problem last year.
You walked into games where this

1471
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,120
guy was nicked up.
He had an ankle down.

1472
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,600
This other kid, we don't want to
play him yet because he's a red

1473
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,360
shirt.
This guy, you know, he made one

1474
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,040
fumble and then the OC decides
not to play him no damn more.

1475
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,000
It's it's just goofy stuff like
that that you're not going to

1476
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,120
have happen this year now that
you got a more experience OC.

1477
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,240
About you, Dwight.
You've been watching some of

1478
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,640
these guys kind of figuring out.
I didn't I'm disappointed I

1479
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,920
didn't get to the spring game to
see that because that's usually

1480
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,880
kind of like I I I remember
damn, I'm getting old.

1481
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,840
The kid that blood Foster, I
talked to him after the game.

1482
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,160
They switched to him from he got
hurt, but he had three picks

1483
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,120
against Florida State.
His mom passed away the

1484
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,280
cornerback.
He got drafted by the Tennessee

1485
01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:59,800
to who?
Harley.

1486
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,760
Caleb Farley.
Caleb Farley So I remember that

1487
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,520
spring game and Caleb Farley was
that receiver and I said, good

1488
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,000
Lord, he's got to see the field.
But then I talked to Bud and

1489
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,240
they were going to move in the
corner.

1490
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,880
But the thing about it is I, I
remember and I'm again, I'm not

1491
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,760
a prophet, but I, I know what I
know when I speak on what I know

1492
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,680
when I see what I see and I call
it out there.

1493
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:24,760
I remember the two spring games
to go.

1494
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,760
I saw Pier Little Pillow because
I played with Pierce and I said

1495
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,960
I was on the sidelines.
I said that kid is a baller.

1496
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,240
And then he had the 77 yard
touchdown run against Miami.

1497
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,000
And he was the phantom, Phantom
hold, yeah.

1498
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,240
But even then, that's what I
mean by the courage to play

1499
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,800
people.
Malachi Thomas had that rush

1500
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,080
rushing record and that flash
that freshman year, but he was

1501
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,720
never fully healthy.
And at that moment you got to

1502
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,640
give in the season even before
the Miami game Tooting

1503
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,200
breathers.
So I'm big on Pierce and pray

1504
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,920
little son little pillow.
I know people don't like calling

1505
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,640
little pillow, but I'm I'm just
saying like he just to me is a

1506
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,400
player that is a tech running
back, a Mike emo type guy that

1507
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,560
people look at Cedric humans and
Mike emo Thunder and lightning.

1508
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,040
They you know, we know about
Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs.

1509
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,960
But I feel like again, when I
said to start the show, how we

1510
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,000
try to Fast forward the process
and we get impatient.

1511
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,320
We we don't realize that a lot
of the guys that have been in

1512
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,400
the Tech 4 threshold that the
household names don't always

1513
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,760
start that way.
Corey Moore did not come in tech

1514
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,680
as a household name.
Can chances only had one offer

1515
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,440
and it wasn't a real commendable
offer.

1516
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,720
He was a Hooper down in Maury.
He played football and

1517
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,840
basketball and at the time he
was a better basketball player.

1518
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,200
So a lot of guys, Mike Emo and
Cedric Humes, who I mentioned

1519
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:51,000
were both blue collar guys.
There was not a lot of build up,

1520
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,920
but that the 1-2 punch of them
really worked well.

1521
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,360
I feel like Pillow's the guy
that can be part of a 1-2 punch.

1522
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,120
I'm I'm really big on him
getting a healthy amount of

1523
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,480
carriage because he has the
burst and vision and he's not on

1524
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:09,160
anybody's scouting report.
You know, I mean, you know,

1525
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,480
Tooting to me, you look at his
career in those two years, him

1526
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,920
and the other kid, Khalil
Herbert.

1527
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,160
What they did as transfers and
how dynamic they were, they

1528
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,440
really carried a lot of the load
on the offense of production.

1529
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,440
But we fumble the bag on how we
use both of them.

1530
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:30,480
I'm not talking about what they
did on the field as players.

1531
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:35,080
I'm saying there's a level of
gamemanship and scheme you have

1532
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,000
to do when you have certain
players that are once in a

1533
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,040
lifetime or just really elite
type players.

1534
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,080
I think the bass, the backfield
will be a backfield by

1535
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,360
committee, but I think the OCR
knows that.

1536
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,440
But you can win games.
That was Tom's Tech won nine

1537
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:54,400
games when Kevin Jones got hurt
and Keith Brunell and guys like

1538
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,520
that came in and we're all
serviceable.

1539
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,960
Keith Brunell had a great game
and Big East play against some

1540
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:02,760
tough opponents.
We knew he wasn't going to be

1541
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,720
taking Kevin Jones spot, but you
had, you know, again, I'm not

1542
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,800
trying to make it back like back
in the day, just to keep it

1543
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,440
relevant.
I just feel like Kilo, you know,

1544
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:18,960
can really, really help us
because I just felt like that

1545
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,240
run against Miami, I still
remember it and I remember I was

1546
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,080
looking at my TV like they
called it back.

1547
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,440
But I was like, that run.
He was running away from Miami

1548
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,120
players.
Let me let me throw this out

1549
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,760
right quick for y'all.
I know Sheldon probably, yeah,

1550
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,320
got this in the back of his
head.

1551
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,640
I have to look up stuff.
I can't remember stats like

1552
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,840
Shelton.
You go back and look at the at

1553
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,480
the Vanderbilt game last year,
that'll make you sick.

1554
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,400
I watched it.
Can anybody guess how many

1555
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,240
carries we talked about?
Because this question started

1556
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,520
with Tooten.
Can anybody remember how many

1557
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:02,080
carries Tooten had?
14. 9 Tooten had 9 carries but

1558
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,080
34 yards.
Byron had 16 carries for 19.

1559
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,600
Balls got you.
Yep.

1560
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,320
That was really the only two
people who carried the ball.

1561
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,840
Then you had Malachi Thomas had
one carry.

1562
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,720
You can't win games like that
against teams.

1563
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,880
So just to kind of tie both of
these topics that we've had

1564
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:27,000
together, when you talk about
The OC and you talk about the

1565
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,880
production that you're going to
have to replace it don't even

1566
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,720
matter what the about production
if you ain't using what you got.

1567
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,440
And I kept saying when I was
talking to somebody, I was

1568
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,920
sitting beside our, our buddy
Greg and his family.

1569
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,640
And, and Greg's real.
He, he's really knowledgeable in

1570
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,720
football.
He kept saying, why are we

1571
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,640
scared to run the ball?
What are we do?

1572
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,960
Why are we scared to even try to
run the ball?

1573
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,280
And it was so many games where
it looked like we was throwing

1574
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,840
stuff against the wall and and
seeing when stuff.

1575
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,600
Oh, a bunch of games of that.
Don't talk to me.

1576
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,640
About Tooting.
I seen Tooting one time look at

1577
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,320
the sidelines and pound his
chest and tell them to give me

1578
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,360
the ball.
Yep.

1579
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,240
But then now as Virginia Tech
fans or even coaches, you think

1580
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,280
that's probably one of the best
running backs that we've seen at

1581
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,120
Virginia Tech in the last 20
years?

1582
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:19,200
And he's looking to the sideline
telling his OC to give me the

1583
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,440
ball.
And people was mad at me because

1584
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,480
I said if you're going to fight
ADC, fight AOC.

1585
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,160
Oh, no, he had a good offense.
Now JT Oh yeah, that guy was

1586
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,480
pretty good and you're just man,
get that motherfucker out of

1587
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:31,520
here.
He wasn't doing nothing.

1588
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,560
What are y'all talking about?
I'll.

1589
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,560
Put you like this.
Man, talking about get this dude

1590
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,440
out of here and get somebody in
here who knows what they're

1591
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:40,720
doing.
You just told me Jay Lane, who

1592
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,960
was one of the fastest receivers
that we've had, didn't run no

1593
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,880
slants last year.
I just told you that in one of

1594
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,600
the biggest games even it was
Vanderbilt, but it was the SEC

1595
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,880
opponent and it was the first
game of the year with all these

1596
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,840
with all this hype, you get your
dynamic running back who's one

1597
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,400
of the best that we've seen in
20 years, 9 carries in the first

1598
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,600
game of the year yeah.
But to your point, to your

1599
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,720
point, JT too, like Jerry, I I
was amazed I.

1600
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,000
Was I'm a I'm a big lane fan.
He's the type of receiver

1601
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,640
that'll get in the league and
have a breakout rookie season

1602
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,680
and get a contract.
And you're like, damn.

1603
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,720
And you look at his tech
highlights and then so like, so

1604
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,240
here's the thing.
He was such a good athlete.

1605
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,600
We used him at running back when
the depth of running back was

1606
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,960
he, he was in the backfield
going in motion.

1607
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,800
They used him on a few jet
sweeps.

1608
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,320
That's the he just was a dynamic
athlete.

1609
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,240
But I remember that about too
that that game Vanderbilt, I

1610
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:41,720
just felt like we came in there
and we were sleepwalking and

1611
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,080
there was no energy.
And I just didn't understand it

1612
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:50,160
because all the hype around it
and I look at last year as one

1613
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,400
of the most embarrassing seasons
in tech history.

1614
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,640
It's very reminiscent of the
2003 team.

1615
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,680
The 2003 team in Virginia Tech
history was arguably the most

1616
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,400
talented team in tech history.
That is Ernest Wilford, Ryan

1617
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,440
Randall, Marcus Vick.
This is a team that snapped

1618
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:09,840
Miami's 35 game-winning streak.
They won that Texas A&M when

1619
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,200
they had not lost a non
conference game at 12 years.

1620
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,960
Yet they lost a Boston College
at home, they had Kevin Jones,

1621
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,040
they lost they lost games in
conference, they barely beat

1622
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,720
temple and they beat temple by
1.

1623
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:28,160
I believe in Philly, that team
underachieved that had Jake

1624
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,200
Grove, arguably the best inner
in the in in history of tech,

1625
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,440
along with all American.
I can go on and on right This

1626
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,320
last year, I remember somebody
said on one of y'all lives,

1627
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,760
y'all did tally where they were
like, Oh well, just because you

1628
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,240
weren't returned 21 of 22
seniors doesn't mean how talent

1629
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,080
they are.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1630
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,280
It's not about them being
extremely talented and elite.

1631
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,440
It's more so they should have
been more familiar with the

1632
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:55,680
system.
There was no sense of urgency in

1633
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,680
games.
It was predictable.

1634
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,160
We didn't seize the moment.
The fake field goal against

1635
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,480
Miami showed no confidence when
drones and that offense were

1636
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,320
from the beginning of that game,
we saw the team that Tech was

1637
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,880
supposed to be.
So for me, I know we haven't

1638
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,640
gotten there yet.
When I look at this year,

1639
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,280
whoever the best players are on
offense and defense, you got to

1640
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,600
put them on the field.
You got to especially.

1641
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,360
I know y'all have.
But.

1642
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,080
Especially listen, I I don't
always subscribe to the hot seat

1643
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:33,080
notion, but I really feel like
tech as a program is that is in

1644
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,720
the crossroads right now because
you're teetering on irrelevancy

1645
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,600
and you need to win eight or
more games by any means

1646
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,640
necessary.
This is this is the year it's

1647
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:44,880
got to happen.
Because if it doesn't happen

1648
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,200
this year, even even if you get
a stay of execution from a

1649
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,800
firing standpoint for this
regime, you're putting yourself

1650
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,720
in behind the 8 ball heading
into next year where it's it's a

1651
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,560
it's a make or break.
And I feel like this year is

1652
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,280
really just as much of A make or
break because like you said,

1653
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,080
Dwight, we're falling behind.
I think, you know, when we look

1654
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,600
at what pride did this offseason
with with the shuffling, I think

1655
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,960
the most important thing, the
most important position that we

1656
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,760
needed to shuffle is that that
offensive line spot.

1657
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,240
We got Matt Moore in there now.
He was kind of brought in to

1658
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:24,440
kind of fix a lot of what kind
of went sideways between the

1659
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:26,560
Rudolph, you know?
When?

1660
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:28,080
You.
Were getting.

1661
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,760
Out there.
Then you had Crook coming in

1662
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,520
late.
You know, we, we, we heard

1663
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,640
about, you know, zooming into
practices and stuff like that.

1664
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,800
I mean.
What all?

1665
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Sorts all sorts of crazy.
Stuff that was out there on the

1666
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,400
street that was.
That was on the street that was.

1667
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,720
Brian, imagine his face.
Imagine mass face when he took

1668
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,720
because you know, you get a new
job, you go through the files,

1669
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,520
but as a football coach, you go
through the tape.

1670
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,240
Imagine his face when he looked
at them taking false steps and

1671
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,000
letting guys run right through
the middle and getting pushed

1672
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,400
back when your lineman sacking
his own quarter.

1673
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,480
But imagine his face.
I mean, for real.

1674
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:05,640
Like, imagine because I, I'm
hearing you talk.

1675
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,640
I'm like, he had to be with his,
you know, they call it the

1676
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,640
clicker with the thing doing
like this.

1677
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,680
Like, yeah, he probably did.
He probably.

1678
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,040
Was like what am I looking at?
What am I looking?

1679
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,760
At He probably did.
He probably was like Kilmer from

1680
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,920
Varsity Blues.
Jesus Christ.

1681
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,880
And like, so like when I was
looking at the at the tape

1682
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,520
myself, I'm like, we got we got
to do something.

1683
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,200
But like the team, the offensive
line didn't look cohesive.

1684
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,520
We had guys that Reliabilities,
we can name names.

1685
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,360
We cannot name names, but we
know who we're talking about.

1686
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,760
We got we had we had guys that
were Reliabilities on that

1687
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,400
offensive line.
That was trained.

1688
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,880
In the game that stayed in the
game, but now we got Matt Moore

1689
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:47,080
in, he brought some of his own
as as our man brought his new.

1690
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,400
He's like.
He brought, he brought his.

1691
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,000
New he brought in some of his
own guys.

1692
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,920
So, you know, we got we got a
little bit something coming in

1693
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,520
here, you know, can this new mix
of talent with a little bit

1694
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,080
better coaching at the OC
standpoint, what what's kind of

1695
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,440
the ceiling y'all think for this
room relative to what we've seen

1696
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,680
the last couple years?
Last couple years or just last

1697
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,400
couple years?
Yeah, just last.

1698
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,720
Couple years overall, so last
last year was an absolute F.

1699
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,040
So let's go ahead and get this
out.

1700
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,840
Since we talking, it was only
one guy that I wanted to have

1701
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,080
come back.
Xavier Chaplin was the only kid

1702
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,400
I wanted to come back.
The rest of them, hey man, they

1703
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,080
can go and do whatever they
wanted to do.

1704
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,760
There was alleged that somebody
wanted to be paid the highest

1705
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,200
just paid center in in the ACC
or in the country.

1706
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,160
I'm glad he's down there where
he's at.

1707
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,960
He about to get his ass ran
through because he was God

1708
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,400
awful.
You go watch the tape.

1709
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,720
I watched him get Pop Watson
sacked 8 times, Pop Watson watch

1710
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,520
Pop Watson get sacked 8 times.
I watched my backup quarterback

1711
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,920
get a damn concussion because he
was terrible.

1712
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,360
His brother didn't want to thank
the program when he left.

1713
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,600
Great, no problem.
Carry your ass.

1714
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,160
You turned around your head got
you had Bob Shake.

1715
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,400
He's a great Family Guy.
Yeah, Beautiful kid.

1716
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:00,720
Glad.
I'm glad.

1717
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,080
Whatever he's doing, he goes and
does.

1718
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:07,240
So if he's at Enterprise,
Lowe's, Home Depot, I don't give

1719
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,480
a damn.
Don't ever get on a football

1720
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:14,320
field again.
And to turn around and no, I

1721
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,080
don't think he is, but.
Yeah, he is.

1722
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,560
Where Oklahoma?
State, Oklahoma State.

1723
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,040
OK, well guess what?
That quarterback going to get

1724
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,880
hurt.
But then you turn around and you

1725
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,080
take Parker Clemens and the turn
around and for them to

1726
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,920
consistently take his jolly ass
out there and smile and get his

1727
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,720
ass beat every damn time.
Hey, I got to I got to throw

1728
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,240
this in too, Chris, while you're
going on your tangent and I'm

1729
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,680
I'm going to come back and let
you finish.

1730
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:44,320
The OC is now a offensive line
coach at a.

1731
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,720
That's what I'm saying.
So for him to be the OC and to

1732
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,840
see this offensive line be as
bad as it is, and I understand

1733
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,640
we didn't have depth, but to
turn around and not to play

1734
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,080
Johnny Garrett at right tackle
and so damn near had that boy

1735
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,600
break his damn foot in that
records game, right?

1736
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,160
It's criminal.
That is criminal on so many

1737
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,720
daggum levels and so everybody
down common.

1738
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,920
Oh, he's regrets.
Man, if a moment if a joker is

1739
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,920
stepping on my God damn foot and
I'm getting sacked and I turn

1740
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:20,880
around.
Dude, we played against we

1741
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,720
played against Marshall.
The goal was to throw a nine

1742
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,600
round.
The first play, man, I watched

1743
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,320
Mike Green come off the side and
like lickety split.

1744
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,000
It was in the damn backfield.
Georgia Tech the same thing.

1745
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,000
We weren't even supposed to be
out there that damn long.

1746
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,760
The goal was to get him get up
but and bring in bring in comp

1747
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,040
and sleeve.
I can't because Park is letting

1748
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,120
them blowing the damn game,
playing out the gate.

1749
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,480
For Tyler Bowen to turn around
and go take a job as being an

1750
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:50,960
offensive line coach when he is
an excellent recruiter and not

1751
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,600
bring any offensive line in
here.

1752
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,640
It's fucking criminal.
I think, I think I'll 2nd.

1753
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,800
I'll say this, you know, I knew
of Tyler Bowen because he

1754
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,240
coached with my my brother Tyler
Washington at Jacksonville.

1755
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,520
So I text him.
I met Tyler Bowen back in the

1756
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,840
day when he was working his way
up the, the coaching ladder.

1757
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,000
We we, we met at a coachings
clinic in Tysons, Virginia, up

1758
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,320
here in North Virginia.
He he's probably going to kill

1759
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,280
it at offensive line because he
was the run game game

1760
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,000
coordinator with Jacksonville
Jaguars.

1761
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,640
So he had no experience calling
plays.

1762
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,120
And you know, he had some
moments, but true.

1763
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,840
But the truth be told, he'll
probably excel in that position.

1764
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,800
And I think what the reason why
is not just because of his

1765
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,760
knowledge of the game.
The one thing we haven't touched

1766
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:42,160
on, but I touched on last year
during the season is that when

1767
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:47,480
you look at Virginia Tech in the
football program with Fuente and

1768
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:52,720
and pride the last few years,
and this is on wit and and the

1769
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,280
energy around the program,
there's got to be

1770
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,160
accountability, right?
Like, so I'm a small business.

1771
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,080
I own two small businesses,
people that work for me.

1772
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,160
I'm in meetings.
I got 3 cell phone.

1773
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,440
I am a very important person
here in Northern Virginia and I

1774
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:12,560
have people that work for me.
So my victory light brand is

1775
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,720
spread out from podcasts into
commencement speeches to doing

1776
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,320
appearances and also psychiatric
hospitals.

1777
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,920
So I've I've cornered the market
in those on those realms, right.

1778
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:28,160
If somebody which I've had to
fire people because if I get a

1779
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,040
call and there's multiple
grievances, you have to leave my

1780
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:32,680
group, you have to leave my
agency.

1781
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,280
I don't care.
I had to fire a guy a handful of

1782
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,280
years ago because he was
falsifying hours and he he

1783
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,040
actually is a coach and the DMV
coaches basketball.

1784
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,560
We were very good friends.
He helped coach me, coach with

1785
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,320
me.
However, when I got that thing,

1786
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,840
I pulled him in.
I gave him action plan,

1787
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,560
performance action plan.
He didn't follow through.

1788
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,760
He got fired.
I said just bring, bring on

1789
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,320
Monday.
Bring your keys and your your

1790
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,560
flash, Rob.
So at the end of the day, how

1791
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,120
how's that relate to Virginia
Tech?

1792
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:09,000
I feel like some of the best
coaches understand the

1793
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,040
importance of sense of urgency,
like, for example, wasted time.

1794
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,520
So the backup quarterback just
answers very quickly anybody and

1795
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,320
anybody in the show who was the
backup quarterback to drones

1796
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,720
last year.
Collins, Lee.

1797
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,240
When he came in the game, he
came in the game in five to six

1798
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,400
games and then ran a dummy
motion.

1799
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:34,040
He ran the dummy, dummy motion.
You could have been using that

1800
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:39,120
package with pop in the red zone
like we did with Boone and Tyrod

1801
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,600
and Logan and Tyrod.
You.

1802
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,960
Wasted again.
That's what I mean about having

1803
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,400
a sense of urgency,
understanding what I'm saying is

1804
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,440
I'm, I'm not an AD, but I know
to me, my job is to have all the

1805
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:57,880
programs at at premium level and
pulling the people in, you know,

1806
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,200
on some Friday night light shit.
Like, you know, remember that

1807
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,040
scene Friday Night Lights when
him and his wife and the

1808
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,360
daughter were coming out Walmart
and then they said, Coach, we're

1809
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,360
going to win it.
You know, the truth of the

1810
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,120
matter is I'm not seeing the
fans either.

1811
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,800
I'm not, I'm not I'm not
proposing the fans running up on

1812
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,720
pride at Kroger or at Walmart.
What I'm saying is, but GN Tech

1813
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,320
needs to have a sense of
urgency.

1814
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:23,120
Some of the best program years
when we first went into ACC and

1815
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,920
they would pick 11th, they would
pick 10th or 11th to finishing

1816
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,320
that conference.
This is after the debacle which

1817
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,880
was known as the 2003 team when
they returned and they had all

1818
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,040
that talent, right?
They won the conference and

1819
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,960
every week Beams was like, yo,
we got to scrap, we got to

1820
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,920
fight, We're going to have to
earn everything.

1821
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,520
And after that tough loss to
USC, I've said this before many

1822
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,800
times.
He benched his starters who were

1823
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,800
older and he brought in Eddie
Royal, Justin Harper.

1824
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,640
He brought the youth movement
in.

1825
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,560
Now he will say, well, Dwayne,
there was no transfer Porter

1826
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:57,320
right now.
I don't care how much they're

1827
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,080
making.
You can make money at Coastal

1828
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,040
Carolina.
Now they're a deep who's giving

1829
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,680
out nil money.
Let them leave because to me,

1830
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,400
you have to have a sense of
urgency, accountability, no

1831
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,480
matter what era of football, has
to be at the forefront of your

1832
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,360
program.
I don't care if their mom's

1833
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,040
going to do passive aggressive
tweets.

1834
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,160
Tell Shorty to kick rocks.
You know what I'm saying?

1835
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,800
Like, y'all can't be held
hostage by a parent that is

1836
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,400
going to badmouth you.
Let them go.

1837
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,560
And I felt like there was too
much of that going on where you

1838
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,560
can't.
It's politics everywhere.

1839
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,200
Yeah, politics is all throughout
the ACC, the Big 10, but I just

1840
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,520
go back to guys like saving,
which is why I'm a big Jalen

1841
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,520
Hurst fan.
As far as his class, because he

1842
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,760
benched Jalen Hurst on national
TV, I see what?

1843
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,200
You're saying?
Beamer, Beamer.

1844
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,840
People don't realize this.
Tyrod Taylor's been benched.

1845
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,480
That Jet, Brian Randall's been
benched.

1846
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,240
A lot of guys have been benched
that went on to be legendary

1847
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:59,200
players.
That take.

1848
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,680
I did not understand why at
times there were certain players

1849
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,920
who just weren't performing.
You didn't take them out the

1850
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,640
game just to kind of let them
clear their head.

1851
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,800
So I mean, you know, you were
preaching earlier Chris, but I

1852
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,720
just feel like there needs to be
a sense of urgency of

1853
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,960
accountability around the
program for them to to maintain

1854
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,440
and meet somewhat of
expectation.

1855
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,560
Because if if you're not
producing, I mean, at the end of

1856
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,120
the day, it's about wins and
losses.

1857
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:25,640
So.
If you're not getting it done,

1858
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,760
let's see if somebody else
behind you can get it done.

1859
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,760
And now you're getting paid to
do it.

1860
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,560
You're getting paid to do it.
And if you suck Dwight, what you

1861
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,400
just said.
I know this was 20 years ago out

1862
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,520
next guy because.
You're not good enough.

1863
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,000
But you didn't have, you didn't
have the guy.

1864
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,960
You didn't have the guy to say,
hey, you suck and get somebody

1865
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,880
else because you have such a
piss for the offensive line, the

1866
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,200
offensive line situation.
And I stood on the table for

1867
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,920
Crook till I find out he was in
there doing Zoom meetings

1868
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,960
because I do Zoom meetings, but
I'm supposed to do them.

1869
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,480
But you can't turn around and
have you have to bring four to

1870
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:04,720
five guys in every cycle, every
cycle.

1871
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,880
And you didn't have that.
You had Rudolph.

1872
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,840
He was living off dead bodies,
great guy who was living off

1873
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,480
dead bodies and didn't want to
go get in the portal.

1874
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:12,920
And then you turn around and
crook.

1875
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:17,440
Crook just didn't have from what
we saw and from what people he

1876
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,760
he wasn't able to teach or take
them from from point A to point.

1877
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,080
B but but Chris.
Chris, the pushback I give on

1878
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:29,320
Crooks was I was not in favor
that higher because I felt like

1879
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,600
if you're Virginia Tech, that's
a brand lowering higher, you're

1880
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,480
going below your brand.
Like I'm not saying a guy from a

1881
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:39,200
lower, but Foster came from
Murray State.

1882
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,040
What I'm saying is at the end of
the day, you got to be in a

1883
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,040
situation where like, yo, we
Virginia Tech on some boss level

1884
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,680
shit.
Like I did it the day and I'm

1885
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,520
not advocating just for Todd
Washington.

1886
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,640
What I'm saying is I knew from
game one Crooks that the old

1887
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:00,320
line was not prepared to play.
So everybody says, hey man, you

1888
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,280
got to get those four stars that
are rated by guys that have

1889
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,920
never played football, right?
These are the guys that are

1890
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,320
thinking your players, right?
So we got to get no, no, no, no,

1891
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,640
no.
Anyone that's played offensive

1892
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:16,920
line on any level knows it is
about your head placement, pause

1893
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,680
your footwork, knowing how to do
different things right.

1894
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:25,640
You have to basically be in a
situation where those guys were

1895
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,360
not in a position to win.
They were up high.

1896
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,320
When you're getting your course,
your two point stands.

1897
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:36,400
So they were taking false steps.
It's about like, OK, identifying

1898
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,520
the mic, who's the Sam, who's
the will?

1899
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,320
If I got a guy coming in my big
gap, what does that mean?

1900
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,840
MDM most dangerous man blocked
down.

1901
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:49,640
No boom, it comes up.
That's not talent, that's

1902
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,600
understanding.
We won games.

1903
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:56,080
Again, I hate doing this because
that's not about Tim Schnecker

1904
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,480
played at Blacksburg High
School.

1905
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:59,520
He's a he's a great guy.
He was my boy.

1906
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:05,560
He was a walk on and he had the
athleticism of somebody that

1907
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:10,560
worked at Kroger, right.
But the guy knew how to snap and

1908
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,720
snap, you know, and identify the
mic.

1909
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,360
Mike's left, Liz.
That means we're sliding left.

1910
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,880
The quarterbacks got the weak
side defender side adjust.

1911
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:24,080
We go in three different ways.
That's not that's poor coaching

1912
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,200
and that's hot.
Listen, look, fuck it, I'm

1913
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:27,360
saying.
That's.

1914
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,720
Hiring that's hiring people you
down with right?

1915
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,600
I'm a business owner.
I am not hiring my boy from

1916
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,600
Shell Rd. who got a pack of
black and miles for sale.

1917
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,080
I'm not hiring him to work my
business.

1918
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,440
And this is my boy I grew up
with.

1919
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,040
Just because you're friends with
somebody, Let me tell you

1920
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,040
something, man.
I play for two Hall of Fame

1921
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,760
coaches, Mike Smith and Frank
Beema.

1922
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,720
And if you look at both of them,
their staff was elite.

1923
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:57,960
But at times there were
assistants.

1924
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,560
We were like, damn, he could be
the head coach or like Billy

1925
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,120
Height was Coach Beema's
conciero.

1926
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:04,920
Like, you know, Godfather Coach
Height.

1927
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,720
Coach Height would say he'd be
like Frank, call a time out.

1928
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,440
Bean Beans would do that.
I saw it.

1929
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:16,800
So what I'm saying is who is
holding the person accountable

1930
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,640
or helping each other in that?
Like to me when you are head

1931
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,520
coach or you and that staff and
you see your online getting

1932
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:28,160
destroyed after week one, Week
2, you, you, you like hey, hey,

1933
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:32,960
hey, hey, hey, hey coach, I need
to see you Monday morning.

1934
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:42,920
My thing is, I'm not, I'm not a
Alabama fan, but I'm from

1935
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,400
Alabama.
I'm a football fan.

1936
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,000
So if you're a football fan,
everybody knows Nick Saban.

1937
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:52,520
If you go watch Nick Saban coach
a game, he like a madman on the

1938
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,320
sideline.
He mad everybody.

1939
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,400
Whoever gets in his way, he got
something to say.

1940
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,760
The camera crew.
The Mamas.

1941
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,520
Anybody.
He probably is not.

1942
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,880
He let his wife the the the
players, his coaches.

1943
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,800
Lane Kiffin is consider what a
top coach now, right?

1944
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,520
Even at Alabama, he was, he was
a head coach before he went

1945
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:19,240
there.
Like Nick Saban didn't care.

1946
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,080
He wanted it done the right way.
He wanted it done.

1947
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,040
His right, right.
Comparing Nick Saban to to try,

1948
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,480
but with the level of intensity
to try to win, that's what I

1949
01:42:29,480 --> 01:42:32,840
expect to see.
So yeah, my thing is, I'm OK

1950
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,320
with you.
I'm not OK with you hiring your

1951
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,320
boys, not at all because you got
to take it serious.

1952
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,560
But if you decide that that's
what you want to do and you're

1953
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,600
in the game, I just didn't see
nobody who really wanted to be

1954
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,880
like, you know what, we need to
fucking win.

1955
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,880
And if you ain't trying to win,
you need to get the fuck out the

1956
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:54,120
off the sidelines how you keep
like you got your quarterback or

1957
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,160
you got your wide receiver that
gets killed.

1958
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,480
And then we was just over there
looking at looking at these.

1959
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,760
Let me write this down.
Let's stop writing stuff down

1960
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,120
and start yelling at somebody.
Get on somebody'd ass.

1961
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,880
What are we doing?
At some point, you gotta have

1962
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,720
some accountability and you
gotta be able to, when somebody

1963
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,160
is not doing the things that
they need to do and you're not

1964
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,960
performing at the level you need
to perform, it's got to be some

1965
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:21,320
accountability.
Somebody's got to have a

1966
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,080
conversation, be like, hey,
you're not getting it done, and

1967
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,280
if the guys you got in there
that you think are getting it

1968
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,280
done, they're not getting it
done.

1969
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:30,160
Get them out.
Try something different.

1970
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,720
You can't just keep running out
the same 5 every week and

1971
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,000
getting piss poor results and
expect something new.

1972
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:38,600
That's madness at some.
Point.

1973
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,080
But the thing about it, you got
to switch up.

1974
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,240
But the thing about it is that
they didn't have they didn't

1975
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,120
have anybody to bring in to
replace them.

1976
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,080
Late, late, late gets hurt,
right.

1977
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:50,760
He was supposed to play.
He gets hurt.

1978
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,200
You got to play shit.
Chaplin was hurt all year long,

1979
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:55,680
especially when he gave up the
ODU.

1980
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,280
So you had to bring Garrett in
from here.

1981
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:59,440
So you didn't have a backup guy
behind that.

1982
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,760
And none of them jokers was
ready.

1983
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,000
Yeah, Gary, not to play a.
Lot more, but Gary should have

1984
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:06,600
been in the in the game a whole
lot more last.

1985
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,200
Year regardless.
Sometimes you just have to make

1986
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:13,600
the change to what Dwight said.
Show county to go up.

1987
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,680
Listen, your job's over.
You're done.

1988
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,120
Yep.
Excuse me though, he makes some

1989
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:21,520
mistakes but fuck you because
you keep making the mistakes

1990
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,320
over and over and over.
I'm going to put.

1991
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,200
Somebody else here.
What if he makes mistakes?

1992
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,400
At least he's a freshman and
he's got a damn excuse.

1993
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,280
Nobody, nobody took because
nobody knew.

1994
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,640
I mean, you know, we had rivals
out and and there were other

1995
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,240
publications, Roanoke News,
whatever.

1996
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:44,600
Eddie Royal was a highly taught
to recruit, but nobody knew how

1997
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,840
dynamic Eddie Royal was going to
be because against USC and early

1998
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:53,560
on, those receivers got limited
action beams went with the more

1999
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:56,000
mature players.
Richard Johnson, those guys.

2000
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:59,080
That's back when Justin Hamilton
was on offense.

2001
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,760
He was a running back and play
some receiver.

2002
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:05,400
Here's the thing, after that
loss, he went with the youth

2003
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,080
movement and all of a sudden
everybody's like, hey, yo, that

2004
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,880
dude Josh Hyman going to be all
right.

2005
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,600
David Clowney, all these guys,
Justin Harper, they were Justin

2006
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:17,840
Harper was not a highly touted
Justin Harper got a chance

2007
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,760
because we couldn't break
one-on-one coverage.

2008
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,080
But here's let me go back to my
initial point.

2009
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:28,840
It's coaching because you don't
have to have we got beat.

2010
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,480
Let me just I hate to bring up
memories.

2011
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,680
We got beat against Rutgers one
year.

2012
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:36,360
I'm rubbing my head so I can woo
sob.

2013
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,760
We got beat against Rutgers one
year with a quarterback that

2014
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,720
couldn't pass at.
All.

2015
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:46,080
He it was like playing a kid
that just had the cheat code in

2016
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:47,480
the video game.
He did not.

2017
01:45:47,480 --> 01:45:49,160
I think he did.
He beat us on the fourth and

2018
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:50,240
one.
He was just running and running.

2019
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:54,520
That guy was not a quarterback
we have lost games against in

2020
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,560
the last three years against
inferior opponents because they

2021
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,520
made the adjustments and changes
we weren't willing to do.

2022
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,880
And that's all I'm saying.
Like you're not wrong about the

2023
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,840
depth limitations in some
positions.

2024
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:11,400
What I'm saying is between the
scheme and coach ability and

2025
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:16,080
making the changes beforehand,
that's where we fall short and

2026
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,240
we have now.
I'm hoping I say this to be

2027
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,240
optimistic.
This is the fan in me to me, and

2028
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:23,960
I don't want to jump ahead in
the schedule of this show.

2029
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,680
But like to me, when you look at
it this season and a signature

2030
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,560
win that we still haven't gotten
yet as a program under the

2031
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:35,760
Prague regime, South Carolina
has to be a game where you don't

2032
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,440
hold back.
It's like you look at like, for

2033
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:39,440
example, somebody posted the
other day, it might have been

2034
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:42,720
the ACC Network or somebody on
Twitter that West Virginia game

2035
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,120
lost.
We were they they threw an

2036
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,800
interception late in the game
and I remember watching that

2037
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,560
game.
This is during the Fuente era

2038
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,920
and and they got down there and
announcer says, well, Jim, you

2039
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,600
don't want to score too quickly.
I'm like, I hate when announcers

2040
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,840
say that.
Give me more time.

2041
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,560
You ended up wasting that.
You got in the red zone and the

2042
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:08,280
LastPass was to Trey Turner, but
you did a jet sweep and it was

2043
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,640
like I was like just score.
And it was like, you could have

2044
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:15,040
seized that opportunity to be
the very, you know, a decent

2045
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,280
West Virginia team.
But it's the it's the name.

2046
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,760
Like if we go in that South
Carolina game, you know,

2047
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,760
withholding back and trying to
say you want to treat that South

2048
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,080
Carolina game like it's your
national champions.

2049
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,880
You know why?
Because we have fallen to the

2050
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:32,120
ranks of a program that needs to
do that.

2051
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:34,120
That's the.
Reason it's your super.

2052
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,760
Bowl, this is what I'm going to
say right here.

2053
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,960
I know we got to go to, I think
we got to go to a break and a

2054
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,400
couple other things.
We got to get to Curtis, got a

2055
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,040
couple things to get to.
But this is what I'm going to

2056
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,000
say.
I'm old and country, right?

2057
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:51,440
So my grandma used to have this
like wood burning stove and

2058
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:55,560
heater that we stood in front of
before school and we all had

2059
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,520
cheap clothes.
We were poor, so we had cheap

2060
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,600
clothes.
You know what I'm saying?

2061
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:02,720
My mom would go to Big B and get
me like a new windbreaker suit.

2062
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:04,600
So they was, you know what I'm
saying?

2063
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,800
You got the windbreak on the
outside, but it's got the cotton

2064
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,680
on the inside If you stood your
ass in front of that stove.

2065
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,360
It was.
Not heated too long it was going

2066
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:15,760
it was going to singe that that
that suit that you had on and

2067
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,080
you was going to go to school
with the white part showing pry

2068
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,560
your seat need to be as hot as
them suits that I was having on.

2069
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,280
Going to school.
In 2nd and 3rd grade.

2070
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,040
There you go.
Hey man, honeymoon over.

2071
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:29,880
No, it's been over.
It's been over.

2072
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,400
The honeymoon is over.
Let me hit this real quick

2073
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:33,560
because I want to wrap up
offense.

2074
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,280
Sheldon's got to get out of here
a little bit.

2075
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,720
So we.
Have a defense.

2076
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:42,600
He like his sleep real quick.
Wide receiver, tight end room a

2077
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,360
lot of people would like, you
know, all that room last year

2078
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,160
was great, great, great.
Well, maybe, maybe not.

2079
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,440
That's to there's one guy that
we know, but let's be for real

2080
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,680
this year, that room, the
transfers brought in, the young

2081
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,760
guys who showed out down at the
bowl game, How are they going to

2082
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,240
hit their potential?
Because that room is absolutely

2083
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:06,600
full of potential with so many
different guys between Donovan

2084
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:10,760
Green, who's like 40, Cam
Selden, how do they hit their

2085
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,480
potential?
Because to your point, Dwight,

2086
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,440
there's a lot of young bucks in
that room.

2087
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:21,000
How do we hit it?
I'm, I'm going to be, you know,

2088
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,520
I've talked a lot, but that's
what I'm here for, to talk a lot

2089
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,400
on this show.
I, I just feel like, again, this

2090
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,960
is a very easy answer.
The wide receiver room, that's

2091
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,480
one thing.
Even going back to the Fuente

2092
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:37,720
era, we've had some dogs, Tech
has had a great run and we're

2093
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:41,280
wide receivers and their roster
going back to the Fuente era.

2094
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:45,360
And even last year's group, you
know at times was inconsistent,

2095
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,960
but you knew you knew what they
can do, especially based on the

2096
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,440
previous year.
Some of that was scheme, some of

2097
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:53,040
that was effort, maybe some
injuries, I don't know.

2098
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:57,200
I think it was collective.
I feel like the depth should be

2099
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,560
your advantage.
And I think the best thing if

2100
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,800
I'm coaching that group is
create competition Monday

2101
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,800
through Thursday.
So that means you need you need

2102
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,000
a cohesiveness for drones.
So he needs to know who his 5-6

2103
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,280
are.
However, when you create

2104
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:16,400
competition, when, when Green
caught that we thought was the

2105
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,880
winning touchdown against Miami,
everybody in my group chat,

2106
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,480
everybody over my spot was like,
yo, who is this kid?

2107
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:26,280
Every time I watch him, he was
making play Gosnell catching

2108
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:27,840
those deep balls that dive and
get.

2109
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,560
I felt like those guys were kids
you should have just ran with.

2110
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,600
And if some of the veterans were
salty because they were making

2111
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,880
300,000, so be it.
They still getting their paper.

2112
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:41,160
I just feel like that kind of
competition and coach needs to

2113
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,680
be present when it comes to the
depth you have.

2114
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:47,280
I feel like that's a probably a
strength of Virginia Tech right

2115
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,520
now.
Even that kid, you know, you

2116
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,760
joke about the kid that is the
kid from Wake Forest.

2117
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,120
That's what you're talking
about, Dominick.

2118
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:58,440
Green, yeah.
Dominick Green, Yeah, he's got

2119
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:00,000
to stay healthy.
But I like that kid.

2120
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,960
I like his moxie.
I like his attitude.

2121
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:05,560
But he's to me.
And I don't want to give you a

2122
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,720
general answer, but I'm, I
firmly believe this.

2123
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:14,040
I feel like everybody on the
team has something to prove.

2124
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,000
I feel like nobody, we talk a
lot about the coaches.

2125
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:21,840
I feel like nobody should assume
anything's a given.

2126
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:26,600
Create, create competition.
Like almost like when Kobe

2127
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,280
Bryant had that unfortunate
incident with that chick in

2128
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,160
Colorado and all of that crazy
stuff.

2129
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:36,000
Kobe Bryant became the Mamba
because he was finally, and I

2130
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,760
used to say this, I was like,
yo, stop trying to live up to

2131
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,600
everybody's image.
And he said he came back and he

2132
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:46,280
was like F everybody.
And that's when he bring to me

2133
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:51,840
when he became he got the he got
the tattoo and he he became an

2134
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,040
asshole.
That's when you saw it.

2135
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,440
I feel like tech needs more of
that, like I feel like that

2136
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:59,080
energy.
So I know that's a general

2137
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,680
answer, Curtis, but I just feel
like the receivers, the

2138
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:07,400
receivers are talented to me.
You know, we're deep at that

2139
01:52:07,480 --> 01:52:11,720
position, man.
But I feel like if anything, I

2140
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,840
told, I told this to Chris last
year and he was like, yo, it was

2141
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,480
it was a text.
I text him.

2142
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:18,840
And this one, I knew it
resonated with him because he

2143
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,080
called me.
He said, yo, hold on, Dwight,

2144
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,960
what you mean?
I said, listen, they're not

2145
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:28,520
running great routes.
I said because we are getting

2146
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:32,040
jammed up and getting contained
by average secondaries.

2147
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,240
You know what I'm saying?
So that's not just scheme.

2148
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:39,080
That's what I mean.
So anyway, let Chris that shorts

2149
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,920
cup of tea.
I, I I I answered your question.

2150
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:46,320
You did competition.
He said, he said competition.

2151
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,520
I'm going to say this and, and
you know, because we're going to

2152
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,440
be real, you turned around last
year.

2153
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:55,680
This is what ends up happening.
Most people don't understand

2154
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,000
that you have when you brought
those four guys back, but you

2155
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,640
really brought five guys back.
Aiden Green could not.

2156
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,440
Red shirt.
Aiden Green had to play.

2157
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,200
He burnt his shirt because Ali
got hurt, right?

2158
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:14,120
The model of this team this year
is what team over who?

2159
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:18,800
Me, me.
You had guys that were thinking

2160
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:22,320
about the league more than they
were thinking about being great

2161
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,760
for Virginia Tech.
There we go.

2162
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:26,360
Let's go and get it out there on
the table.

2163
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:28,440
I see.
All right, that's out there,

2164
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:30,440
right.
So you turn around.

2165
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:34,880
You had you had conflict with
guys getting a hey, I'm, you

2166
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:38,600
know, putting TikTok stuff out
and then you got that out there.

2167
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:42,680
And then let's be honest, your
younger guys were probably

2168
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:43,800
better.
OK.

2169
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:49,000
Takahi ended up having to sit
right Takei, he was a is a

2170
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:53,120
dynamic route runner, not a big,
big guy, but a really good route

2171
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,360
runner.
You had, you had Chance

2172
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,400
Fitzgerald, who was your number
one recruit in the 23 class,

2173
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,320
didn't give you anything, but
that was on chance.

2174
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,280
OK, that was on him.
Then you turn around.

2175
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,160
So you couldn't you couldn't
take Felton off the field,

2176
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:09,040
right?
Because if you took Felton off

2177
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:10,720
the field, you weren't going to
go to Chance.

2178
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:14,000
You were going to go to Steven
Gosnell, right, Because Steven

2179
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,560
Gosnell could play all over.
He could play the X, the Y, Z,

2180
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,520
he could play it all.
So it so when we would sit back

2181
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:24,840
and look like the younger guys
are probably just as good if not

2182
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,160
better, but they couldn't get on
the field because you already

2183
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,920
had five guys in front of them.
So what ends up happening this

2184
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,600
year?
Angry comes back.

2185
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:35,320
He's dynamic and he's hungry.
The guy Heath is healthy and he

2186
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:36,240
wants to get out.
Then play.

2187
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:41,040
Donovan Green is a outstanding
route runner and a big guy who

2188
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,080
can get out there and block and
do a lot of things that Felton

2189
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:48,520
did last year.
You've got you've got Cam Selden

2190
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:53,640
who is kind of like he he is,
he's a football player, right?

2191
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,400
We got to listen to being a wide
receiver.

2192
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,160
He's a football player.
So that room is stuck is chucked

2193
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,040
full with guys.
You know, you got a kid, you

2194
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,440
know, you know, I'll talk about
my kid, but you got the kid, you

2195
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,080
got chance Wiggins has got some
stuff to stuff to prove.

2196
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,240
So I think with your room.
And then you got the Isaiah

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Spencer kid.
Like honestly, I love him

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01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:19,520
because he wants it so bad.
That dude came from HBCU and he

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is loving being at this next
level for this high competition,

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01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,920
high competition.
So I think the room, I'm going

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01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:28,440
to say it out loud, even though
you got two guys that's in the

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league, right, or three guys
that's in the league, the room

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01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,040
is better this year.
I'm going to just say I'm going

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01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,760
to point the room is better this
year than it was last year.

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01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,800
You fight me, you fight me all
day long.

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01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,960
I don't care.
The room is better this year

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01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:42,880
than it was last year.
You got better out.

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01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,560
It's a lot deeper.
It's a lot deeper for.

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Sure, it's better.
It's better.

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01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,400
It's better.
You got two.

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01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:52,200
You got two guys right now.
Let's just be yeah, Jay Lane,

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01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,400
meet me and me and Tally talked
about.

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01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,440
We thought it was going to be
like 9 guys get drafted, right?

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01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:04,200
We was like Jay Lane, Felton,
Jennings, Gosnell.

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01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,440
We had like 5 or 7 guys.
Get it.

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01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:10,760
Listen, the two guys who go play
NFL snaps this year on a high,

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01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:14,320
high level, Jay Lane and dadgum
Steven Gosnell.

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01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,920
That's it from the wide receiver
room.

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01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,280
I'm just being totally honest.
Ain't no hate to it.

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01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:23,440
This is what it is.
But those guys had, so you turn

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01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,040
around.
We had a collection of talent.

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01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:26,680
We didn't have a we didn't have
a team.

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01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,240
That's what we had last year.
We had a collection of great

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01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:32,040
talent, but we didn't have teams
on the opposite side of the

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01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:34,040
football.
So with your piss poor offensive

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01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,840
line and folks think about going
elsewhere and you got your

2227
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,280
quarterback foot damn near
broke.

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01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,440
That's what you end up having
and you still won six games.

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01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,520
There you go.
Brown, you got some for us here,

2230
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,240
right?
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead.

2231
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,360
And we've been talking about a
little bit.

2232
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,560
I know that everybody maybe seen
it on Twitter.

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01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:55,760
We got the giveaway that we're
running here for for the

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01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,240
concerts.
I'm going to let this run real

2235
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,360
quick.
We'll come back and we'll talk a

2236
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:03,400
little defense, no doubt.
Hey, Hokey Nation, it's your man

2237
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:05,320
Brian from Bounty Corner
Podcast.

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01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,720
Get ready to kick off the 2025
season in style.

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01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,560
Our good friends over at the
Hokie Way are hosting the

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01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,760
Countdown to Kickoff concert
featuring the always fantastic

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01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,440
band OAR.
Join fellow Hokies alumni and

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01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,840
fans for an exclusive, proud
event at the iconic Tabernacle

2243
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,600
in Atlanta, GA.
That's right, Hokie Nation is

2244
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:29,000
taking over the Tabernacle to
celebrate the start of the

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01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:32,600
Virginia Tech football season.
Matt, tell the people more.

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01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:35,640
Mark your calendars.
The concert's happening

2247
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,800
Saturday, August 30th at 7:00
PM, the night before our opening

2248
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,160
game against South Carolina.
This is more than just a

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01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,880
concert, it's a chance to
support a great 'cause every

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01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,560
ticket you buy with further the
Hoagie Ways mission of enabling

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01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,080
student athletes at Virginia
Tech to promote and support our

2252
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,760
incredible charitable partners.
And before the concert, make

2253
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,320
sure to catch a special on
location broadcast of Tech Talk

2254
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,760
Live from the venue.
Were Zach Mackie and Mike

2255
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:58,360
Burnaball interviewing special
guests?

2256
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:01,920
And here's a special
announcement.

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01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,680
Boundary Corner Podcast is
giving away 2 free tickets to

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01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:06,040
the concert.
Visit

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01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:10,840
boundarycornervt.com/concert for
details on how you can enter.

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01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,800
This is your official welcome to
the new football season, so

2261
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:18,240
start jumping.
For more details or to secure

2262
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,840
your tickets now, visit
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01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:27,040
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01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,800
your order.
See you in Atlanta and go,

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01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:30,400
Hokies.

Dwight Vick

Hokie Legend/Vicktory Life Founder

Dwight is a proud graduate of Virginia Tech. While at Virginia Tech, Dwight played for the legendary Coach Frank Beamer as an offensive lineman from 1994-1999.

In an effort to help youth achieve their dreams of becoming successful, he created Vicktory Life in 2018 and works as the Director of Student Development. In this role, he provides therapeutic mentoring to at risk youth focuses on goal setting, career development, time management, and life skills.

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