The Hokies took much less time turning around their offensive coordinator hire, securing former Auburn Offensive Coordinator and Tulsa Head Coach Philip Montgomery to take over the reins from the departing Tyler Bowen. We diagnose which boxes this hire checks and what we can expect from a Montgomery led offense as Spring practice looms around the corner.

Show Notes
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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary

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Corner podcast along with my
partners, Brian Siegel and

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Jonathan Talley, I am Curtis
Wilson and we are part of the

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College Huddle Network.
And as always, this episode is

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Fellas, it's good to be back.

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Good to be back gentlemen, how
we feeling?

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It's snowing down here, That's
all I know.

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It's snowing.
It's, it's, it's snowing there.

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It's snowing here.
It's.

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Snowing.
I want to say it's snowing.

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It's snowed.
It dusted.

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There, there's snow on the
ground.

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Yeah, it dusted.
We're actively getting some

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action here.
Virginia Beach is getting

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slammed right now.
Well, levar, well levar is levar

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levar down if levar checks in
tonight Levar got to tell us how

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deep is it where he lives
because I know he lives down in

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the 75.
Talked to the the in laws not

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too long ago and they're plus 6
inches last I checked and it

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didn't even start till noon
there.

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It we got like a dusting
overnight here.

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Had a little bit of break in the
morning and then about between

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8:00 and 9:00 it came back with
a with a fury and hasn't stopped

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since.
Wow.

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Stuff, man.
Wow.

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Got the hunger drill shirt on in
honor.

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In honor, they're going through
it right now.

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My, my, my oldest son loves this
shirt by the way, he's like,

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he's like dad.
That shirt's just so cool.

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So you know, and the the other
son we got to something y'all

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have in the Canon a few weeks
here.

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We we, we got to talk to Jay
Lane last night.

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Me and Brian did, which was
super awesome.

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And my middle son was hyped.
He was like, that's 83, Don't

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you play with him on the game?
And I'm like, yeah, I do.

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So his next question was, who
else from the game are you going

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to be talking to soon?
Like, I don't know, son.

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We'll see.
We'll see.

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He's he's, he's hyped for it,
man.

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Hey, we've already had a couple.
We already had a couple of those

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folks in the game on here
already.

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I know we had.
I'm going to show him that he's

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going to get even more hyped.
Tally, how's baseball going man?

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How cold was it when y'all
played yesterday?

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Too cold, it was too cold, man.
It probably, I think it was,

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ended up being maybe like 4042
somewhere around there.

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Too cold for me.
I mean it was and most of the

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his games are double header so
4:30 and 6:30 type thing and

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about that 631 it was rough to
deal.

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With soon as sun.
Went down, it got red.

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We got games Friday and
Saturday, which they're already

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talking about.
It may be too cold to play one

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or both of those, so we'll see
what's.

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Too cold to play in Alabama?
Yeah, what's too cold to play in

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Alabama?
Sub 40 let.

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Me see, how can I explain it?
I don't know.

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I guess if you hit the ball and
it jars your hand too much,

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that's too cold.
I mean, it's no, it's no number.

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They're going, they're going to
play as as much as they can, but

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I don't know what the number is
to when they say it's too cold.

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All right, well listen, PT going
to be a college ball player one

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day.
Tell him when he's in D1 it

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don't matter how cold it is they
play.

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Yeah, OK.
Tell them you better go 26

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playing.
Yeah, tell them you better try

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to get somewhere where it's
warm.

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I want to be up north.
Florida.

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Go to Florida.
Anywhere in Florida that gives

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you a scholarship, just go
right.

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All right.
Well, fellas, it's good to be

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back together, y'all we've been
all three of us we've.

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Been there's some weather
updates from around the horn

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here guys.
Let's get some weather.

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Updates in here.
It's no snow, but it's 10° in

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Texas.
Oh, we got another here.

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Robbie got out of school today
for clouds.

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I just need to let us know what
part of Texas is that damn cold?

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Yeah, Where is it?
Up on the Panhandle or

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something.
It's cold everywhere.

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I'd love to hear what's down in
the 75 right now snow wise.

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So let us know.
But it's been a few weeks.

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We got a ton to unload tonight.
Obviously, we're going to talk

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offensive coordinator in just a
few minutes here.

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We're going to talk about the
extension of the ACC contract,

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the playoff talk as well, the
House talk, all that stuff, just

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because that interests us.
But let's talk about what

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happened a little over a couple
weeks ago.

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And Tyler Bone effectively
leaves the Virginia Tech Hokies

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in the offensive coordinated
position, and he takes the

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offensive line coach.
Hallelujah.

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Head of Ohio State Tally, I told
you right off.

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I'm letting you go first on this
one because six weeks ago.

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Let him go.
I mean, again, I'll I, if I'm

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thinking in my like business
mind, I guess if I'm Brett

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Pratt, I think Brett Pratt is
the problem.

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That's what I think.
I think he's the head coach.

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I think the problems have fallen
on him, whether it's personnel

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problems or game managing
problems or whatever they are.

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I think ultimately it falls on
him.

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But everybody was so hyped to
get rid of Marv and I said we

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had just as much problem on
offense as we did defense.

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You got everything you wanted
back on offense.

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I said all this returning
production, you got your, you

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know, quarterback going back and
you got everything you want on

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offense.
And we shit the bed every game.

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Not one game, not two games,
multiple games.

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We just look discombobulated to
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Everybody said, well, we scored,
you know, this many points or we

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ranked this.
I don't care about rankings if

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it doesn't equate to wins.
Like if you, if it's situational

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football and you're not winning
in those situations, it doesn't

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matter.
So a lot of times we may have

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scored, scored 30 when we should
have scored 40 or we should have

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scored 50, you know, with what
we had and what we could have

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done.
But again, I ain't, I'm not here

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just to bash Tyler Bowen, but he
took another job and I'm happy

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that he did.
But the thing that makes me

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think he took an offensive line
coach job, right?

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And he was the offensive
coordinator of the worst fucking

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offensive line in the ACC.
That was not one time you could

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look in that room, just pop your
head in that room and go, hey

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man, this shit don't look right.
Y'all need to do something?

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Different.
Like you couldn't say nothing.

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I just think a lot of times,
man, these coaches just accept

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the check.
They're checked out.

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Like they don't, they don't
care.

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They act like they care.
I get it.

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It's a job.
Everybody goes to a job and you

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get paid to do your job.
But like my wife is a nurse.

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I'm not trying to hype up, but
she loves her job.

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She comes home and she tells me
things and she goes to, I've

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seen her go to Walmart one time
and and buy somebody who was

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getting out of the hospital some
clothes because they didn't have

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family to get them clothes on
the day they were leaving.

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So she went and did that.
She loves her job, you know, and

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whatever they pay her, she is
passionate about that job.

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Can't say the same about
everybody.

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But when you're coaching my
football team, I kind of want

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you to be passionate about it
and really want to win.

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And sometimes I just feel like
we weren't.

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And Tyler Bowen is one of the
main, if you and I don't mean to

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go on a tangent, but everybody
knows that Clemson was one of

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the worst, had one of the yeah,
they had one of the worst

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Russian defenses of anybody that
we played on our schedule.

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And I think we ran the ball like
one time four times, however

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many times, 4 times.
The running back, I was going to

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say it and you can't tell me.
Oh, well, you didn't have any

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running back or the running back
was hurt.

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You go give kids scholarships
and NIL money to come play, put

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them on the field.
Yeah, put three on the field.

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Three of those rushes were with
your injured running back too.

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Come on.
Man, Yeah, come on, man.

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Like as the offensive
coordinator that should.

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That's the offensive
coordinator.

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And everybody told me was good
and safe.

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Come on, man.
Get the fuck out.

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Go go coach offensive line or or
I don't know, play swords with

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Ryan Day.
I don't care what you do.

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Get the fuck out.
Bye.

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Bye.
I'm happy.

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I was excited.
I didn't care who they got.

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They could have.
They could have said Curtis

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Wilson is the new OC and I would
have been more happy than Tyler

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born being now.
Curtis, what playbook we running

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I'm.
I'm kind of keen to playbook.

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No, no, I like the Florida.
I like the Florida playbook

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right now.
A lot of good amount of pistol

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and shotgun, little bit of
Wildcat and stuff.

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But yeah, but but keep going,
Jolly if you I'm.

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Going to say I, I mean that that
that is it.

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I mean, that is where I was at
from the beginning.

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And again, God bless Tyler
Boyne.

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I hope he goes and has a
successful career in whatever he

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does.
I don't wish any bad on anybody,

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but I'm glad that he won't be in
the booth or on the sidelines

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calling no plays for us because
just didn't look right to me.

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Curtis, I'm going to throw it to
you.

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What do you think?
Well, with me, it's a couple

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things and I'll let Brian close
it out in a second.

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But so a it is a demotion.
But if you ever tell me I were

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to get a demotion and get a 20%
raise less responsibility, I

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ain't going to be looked at all
the time.

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Yep, I take it in a heartbeat
and I like what I do as well.

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But if you told me I got a 20%
raise less responsibility, yes,

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I will take it in a heartbeat.
The other thing is this tally

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and I think it was in his head
so let's say this next season

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we've hired a new defensive
coordinator, right?

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We we're making some moves on
that.

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What if we go out and win 8 or 9
games, but you see us what you

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just said tally, we have a game
where we score 10 points of

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defense, hold them to 14 and we
lose.

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Who's going to be the next
person to get fired on the staff

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if we have an 8 win season?
It was going to be the offensive

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coordinator.
A lot of people said it should

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have happened.
You were you were leading that

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charge, Tally, because what you
just mentioned with the results.

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So I think for him, he sort of
knew well, if I go to Ohio

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State, I get nothing but NFL
prospects.

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I might not have to work as
hard.

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I just noticed your little tag
there, Tally.

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So I I I get it.
And for him, you know, like you

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said, godspeed, Brian.
I'm agreeing with Jim here.

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Tally is 100% correct.
So let let's run back and I I

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tweeted this the other day when
we were talking about Bowen

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relative to the higher.
We'll we'll talk about that in a

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second.
We're still focusing on Tyler

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Bowen right now.
Got.

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Unloaded.
When when we talk about Tyler

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Bowen, we talk about a guy that
from an offensive mind

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perspective was, was up there
pretty well like the guy, the

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guy knew scheme, right.
So he he, he was good from that

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perspective.
But what I saw consistently is

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that every year, it took us four
years to really find any sort of

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consistent footing with our
offense.

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So we're going through our
entire out of conference

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schedule looking uneven.
And that's not to say that we

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didn't have moments of
greatness.

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I mean, the second-half against
Vanderbilt looked pretty good,

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even though we had a couple
situations where it wasn't so

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right.
But you know, half of football,

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we look, we play confident.
But for that first month of the

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season, we didn't put enough
quarters together where you felt

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like that offense was clicking
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That's that was consistent for
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True all right, so and then
situational play calls, much

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like talking about the
Vanderbilt situational play

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calls and and situational starts
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we didn't necessarily have the
right game plan coming in were

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were problematic to me.
Those are my biggest criticisms.

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I thought that Bowen did mostly,
you know, Clemson

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notwithstanding and Tally, you
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I thought his adjustments in
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halftime were pretty good
regardless of anything else we

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were dealing with most of the
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But it's still those situational
play calls that left you

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scratching your head.
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game plans that sometime we come
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we not taking advantage of these
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Why?
Why do we feel like we're we're

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letting them dictate until we
figure out where the holes are

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instead of watching enough tape
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where we're attacking those
holes out the gate and we're

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jumping on teams Inexperience.
They got, can I make a quick

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point to both y'all on this?
So you talk about the Vanderbilt

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game.
The first half was God awful

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offensively.
It was let's go to the Boston

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College game real quick.
We can't be stopped in the first

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half, 28, nothing.
What happens in the third

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quarter, the offense basically
doesn't move the ball at all, at

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all.
It literally took Jaden Keller

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getting a fourth down stop to
flip the momentum of that game.

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And it's like we've talked about
going with this before.

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There were times when he rolls
sevens.

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He just hit seven.
He hit seven and seven.

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If he ain't rolling sevens,
though, he's rolling snake eyes

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and he's busting you every time.
So it was that inconsistency

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where times it looked like, my
God, he, he can call every play,

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right?
I go back to the first year,

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2021 against NC State.
That third quarter, we scored 21

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unanswered points.
We do nothing in the first half,

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We do nothing in the fourth
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and you can't do that.
It's just the lulls.

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You, you can't.
You can have a drive here or

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there, but you can't have these
long periods of lulls where.

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You get 3.
To four drives back-to-back

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where you don't really get
anything out of them even if you

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score on the next 3 or 4.
Situationally, things have

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changed in the game.
The flow of the game has

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changed.
The way you're having to run

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these run your offense now has
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So you've lost the opportunity
that you have by having those

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long ass lulls in the game.
It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

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That's why you need to be
consistent.

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Yeah, my problem with college
football is that I I'm, I guess

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I'm a glutton for punishment.
I go and watch too much film and

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to watch too much like off the
ball stuff.

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If I'm off as a coordinator or a
head coach or anybody and I have

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bashful tune in my backfield and
he has to look over to the

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sidelines and tell me to give
him the ball.

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I deserve to lose my job.
And it was games when he was

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looking to the sidelines saying
give me the ball, the one person

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on the team that was leaving it
all on the field every single

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game.
Not saying other guys didn't

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leave it on the field, but I'm
saying every game.

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And it was times when he was
saying, you know, give me the

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ball.
Beginning of the season.

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We're like, why ain't they
handing him the ball?

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Why ain't they give him, give
him the ball.

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I don't know all.
Right.

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The other thing I was going to
talk about it Tally, this was

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kind of to your point with the
offensive line higher here.

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So like he gets hired to to
coach off into wine and you're

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like, why, why is it?
Why aren't these discussions

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happening?
If if you're you're in that

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room, you're that guy that is
kind of overseeing this entire

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ship.
And I think some of this might

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be just a mentality.
And I don't know whether this is

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a a prize culture thing or
whether this is just Tyler Bowen

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being inexperienced and not
feeling like he can go in there

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and bust some asses.
But at some point, like you got

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to be willing to step on folks
toes and make them a little

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uncomfortable if they're not
getting the job done.

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Yeah, yeah.
No, I agree 100%.

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I agree. 100% that that that is
effectively that management

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responsibility, right?
Office of Coordinator, people

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can say what you want to say.
Head coaches, the CEO, those

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guys are the VPS and guess what,
if you can't go there, what you

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just said, Brian, if you can't,
if you don't have the stones or

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the intestinal fortune to walk
into somebody's room and like

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you are screwing up, let's talk
through things.

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You can bust them in front of
people.

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That's whatever that's what
happens.

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That happens to people.
So anyway, Boeing off to Ohio

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State, Tally's happy and let me
hit this y'all before we talk

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about the higher the name
floating around yet Christian

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Taylor, Neil Brown.
There was one other person, I

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cannot remember who it was if
y'all can remember, but I.

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Think it was a dude at East
Carolina.

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I can't remember the.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was the OCD.
He was.

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He's like 30.
He's younger and Tyler Bowen.

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But he also was lanes Co OC down
at old Miss.

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So that's that means you don't
call plays though.

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That means you do shit, but you
don't call plays.

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But any of those names stick out
like it all John David Baker.

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Nah.
Nothing Job.

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Not really.
I mean, I know when we were

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talking about it, when it was
first kind of leaked, when they

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talked about Christian Taylor, I
was like who?

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I think I put in the chat like
nobody knows who this guy is.

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And then y'all was like, you
know, hey dude.

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Dude, we all wanted him.
He.

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Was like he's the guy we wanted
to hire over Bowen when the

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first round of washer man.
I did a little bit of research

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afterwards and I was like, OK, I
mean, if we get him, hopefully

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he can do something, but wasn't
too excited.

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I mean, it was, I wasn't mad,
but I wasn't, I wasn't excited.

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I get to, you know, the the
second part of that when we

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start talking about the high.
But when the names was floating

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around, it was just like, all I
wanted was the experience.

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And like I said, I know we're
going to get into it.

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I want an experience and I
wanted somebody who was not

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linked to.
Like I don't care if they went

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to Virginia Tech.
I don't care if they've been

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here.
I don't care if they know pride

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and they're cool with him.
I wanted somebody to come in and

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be like I'm trying to, you know,
I'm trying to revamp my career

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as well.
I'm trying to get to the next

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level.
I don't want just come in and

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follow orders, you know, So
again, I know we're talking

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about it here in a minute when
we when we actually get to the

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high.
But Brian, what did you, I know

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we, I know we talk all the time.
So yeah, you what did you think

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about, you know, the names that
were floating around?

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Excited, not excited.
I don't know if excited would

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would be the right word because
it's hard to get excited when

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you are having to replace an
offensive coordinator in

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February.
Yeah.

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But relative to the names that
were out there and kind of who I

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thought was available, who I
thought made sense, you know,

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shout out Tim Thomas, you know,
there was some names that made a

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lot of sense, right?
All the names make sense.

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There there was there was names
that made a lot of sense.

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Neil Brown made a lot of sense.
Ricky Ronnie made a lot of

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sense.
Like names like.

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That they kind of got floated.
Out there pretty early, those

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those made a lot of sense.
So you got you got head coaching

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experience.
That's something that Crockett

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potentially lean on.
You know, whether good, bad or

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ugly, they both have head
coaching experience.

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So that's bringing at least
another round of experience into

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the room that could help him
with his process as well that he

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can kind of use to to lean on in
some of those areas that he can

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spend an offseason with and kind
of talk through different

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scenarios where he feels like he
can improve his skill set as a

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head coach, right?
So that that's helpful in those

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standpoint.
So if we were given like a

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Ricky, like putting a curve in
there, right?

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If you got a Ricky Ronnie to
Neil Brown, that was going to be

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an A+ to me given given the
circumstances.

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So that we're we're setting the
curve with those names and then

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down from there, I think you
look at somebody like Taylor,

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somebody like John David Baker
that would kind of be in that B

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range, right.
So you got a you got a couple

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guys that have had some
experience, considered, you

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know, up and comers up and
comers really good minds,

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innovative minds on the
offensive side of the football,

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but not necessarily P4
experience.

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Obviously no head coaching
experience.

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So you're you're it's not
somebody that can have that

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mentor mentee relationship with
pry either.

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So that that's kind of that B
range, you know, somewhere in

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the BB minus range, right.
So that that's kind of where I

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was hoping that at we would be
at worse was going into that B

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minus range.
And then, you know, Neil Brown

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and Ricky Ronnie would have kind
of set my curve at a A+ range if

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we were able to pull those guys
in.

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Yeah.
So now you know Curtis, you can

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say your piece and then we can,
you know, talk about where we

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think, think the hire.
Went well.

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I'll hit it real quick.
If it had been Christian Taylor,

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you look at the innovation down
at William and Mary and it would

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be like, we can live with that.
He's a grafting kid.

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He's a 75 kid.
So he played down there.

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He played quarterback and
linebacker.

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He played with actually a guy me
and Brian have worked with in

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the past.
He soon as that king copped out,

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I got a text from my buddy Sean.
He's like, dude, I, I played

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ball with this guy.
He's a good player.

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He's a good coach.
But to your point, Brian, real

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quick, Ricky Ronnie, to me, Neil
Brown would have been the one,

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but he's a head coach that's
getting paid $7 million over the

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next 3:00-ish.
Not do Jack shit.

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And you know what, he's like 44
years old.

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Somebody tells me we'll give you
$7,000,000.

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You don't have to do anything
for the next few years.

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And you know the amount of
pressure, these guys, I

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understand why he didn't take
it.

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But where, where, where the
names that got floated were

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fine.
Like there we did not have AC or

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D.
These are betters where we were.

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And then finally we land on
Phillip Montgomery and kind of a

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name out of nowhere.
There were some people on

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certain places saying the guy's
experience.

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It's a really experienced hire.
And you know, for y'all who have

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been living under a rock for the
past couple days, you know,

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Phillip Montgomery is hired as
the offensive coordinator.

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His most previous stop was in
college was at Auburn back in

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2023.
Tally's going to get into that

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in a few seconds.
And then he was the Co OC of the

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Birmingham Stallions in the UFL
and they won the Championship

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last year.
Tons of stop between here and

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there and we're going to hit all
that.

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But I'm all pitch it to Brian
first.

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Brian with this resume.
Kevin, what's happening?

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Kevin is here.
Can it be killed?

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Kevin's name got I think dropped
at the presser the other day

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straight up.
But Brian, you look at his

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resume, I mean 20 plus years as
a collegiate coach, what excites

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you most about the resume that
comes in?

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I think the thing that excites
me the most and the thing that

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probably excites the gentleman
whose name just flashed across

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the screen the most is the
legitimate quarterback coaching

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experience that this guy's
bringing to the table.

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Whether Pry has him as a walk
around OC or whether he is

448
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,720
sticking strictly in that
quarterback room, you know,

449
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,560
that's that remains to be seen.
I don't think Pry kind of

450
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,280
hammered that home at the
presser, but regardless, having

451
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920
that guy with that much coaching
experience in the room, being

452
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,280
the guy that's pulling the
trigger on on these play calls,

453
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,400
that means a lot from a
development standpoint.

454
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,880
That means a lot from how do you
incorporate your quarterback

455
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,800
into your overall scheme
standpoint.

456
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,080
So I'm excited from that front.
You know, when we're talking

457
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480
about grades, if Dale Brown was
the A+ here, I'm going to give

458
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,000
this it's a -, B plus range for
me.

459
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,280
It's somewhere, you know,
between the, the, the Ronnie and

460
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,360
the the deal Brown hire but but
higher than those other two

461
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:25,440
names, young and innovative, but
maybe not quite no head coaching

462
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,240
experience.
You're not bringing necessarily

463
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,640
the the quarterback room
experience that you like.

464
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,400
If you hire a Christian Taylor,
for example, So you you get both

465
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,480
of those things with this, you
get kind of that that mentor

466
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,360
type relationship that proc and
lean on from a, you know, a guy

467
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,280
that's been a head coach, you
know, at the D1 level.

468
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,920
So, you know, all these things
are are, I think, big pluses.

469
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,120
And to Tally's point, somebody
that wants to earn a spot back,

470
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,720
right.
So it is a guy that, you know,

471
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,520
was AOC had a ton of success out
the gate, you know, through his

472
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,200
time and initially as a head
coach and primary play caller at

473
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,400
Tulsa, had some some pretty good
success early on in in his stint

474
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,480
as a head coach at Tulsa.
And now, you know, obviously

475
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600
that didn't work out long term
at Tulsa.

476
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,080
You know, you had a little bit
of a rough stint at Auburn that

477
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,480
I know Tally's going to
elaborate on a little bit there.

478
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,560
And, you know, you go to the
UFL, have some success and now

479
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,760
you're you're kind of working
your way back into, you know, P4

480
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,240
football now at Virginia Tech.
So you got an opportunity to

481
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080
really show that you still got
what it takes.

482
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,760
And I like having a guy that is
hungry and still has something

483
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,280
to prove.
Tell what about you, you look at

484
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,560
that resume up there, you know,
20 plus years coaching, coaching

485
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,320
high school as well.
What, like did you when you

486
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,680
looked at it and said, damn, I
like that right there?

487
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,040
Man, it's just experience, man.
Like like Brian said, I think

488
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,760
Josh just put it in the chat, he
said.

489
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Quarterback coach for RG3.
Sometimes if you've never seen

490
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,680
something, it's hard for you to
imagine what to do with it, you

491
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760
know what I'm saying?
It's like when I was selling

492
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760
cars and somebody would go,
excuse me, when I was selling

493
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040
cars and somebody would go like,
well, what's the difference in

494
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,080
ART to a scat pack?
Now?

495
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480
I can't explain it to you if you
ain't been in it, you know what

496
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680
I'm saying?
Like it's got more horsepower.

497
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,240
It's don't go faster.
It's going to go if you stomp

498
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,120
the gas, it's going to get to
the next light faster than this

499
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,200
one.
That's the that's what it's

500
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480
going to do.
But unless you actually been

501
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,520
behind the wheel and you stump
the gas and the back wheels get

502
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440
squirrely and you know how to
hold it in the road, things like

503
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,120
that, you can't expect what to
do until you've been in the

504
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,480
position.
So somebody who has coached a

505
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,640
mobile quarterback who has, I
mean, at the highest level, RG3,

506
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,400
you know, think about RG3.
And even when he was at Tulsa,

507
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,880
we don't even have to talk that
far.

508
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,640
You know, when he was at Tulsa,
you can think about some of the

509
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920
quarterbacks that he had and the
plays that they ran.

510
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,520
I think 247 did a really good.
They did a really good

511
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,440
comparison of kind of like
bowing to Montgomery's offensive

512
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,240
style and how it will change a
little bit, getting the ball out

513
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,600
of the quarterback's hands
faster, a little bit more up

514
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,280
tempo, things like that.
But the main thing, we can talk

515
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,160
all the numbers.
I get Shelton on here to tell me

516
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,720
all the numbers.
I know he's he can dive into it

517
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,640
like way, way better than
anybody else.

518
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,720
But just from a football fan
standpoint, a Virginia Tech fan

519
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,800
standpoint, you get somebody
with head coaching experience

520
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200
that, like Brian said, has
something to prove.

521
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,920
And if things look wonky, most
of the time, a coach like that

522
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,240
will be like, hey, man, I don't
agree with this.

523
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,840
This don't look right.
Why are we doing this?

524
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,000
You know, and instead of just
OK, we friends and I'm just

525
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,840
going to, I'm just doing my job.
You know, I'm just, I don't need

526
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,760
a just I'm just doing my job
person.

527
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,120
I mean, we can win, let's win.
And sometimes you just don't

528
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,080
have the horses to win.
Like really, some team, some

529
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,000
games you play to other teams
just better than you and you

530
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240
deserve to lose.
It wasn't the case in a lot of

531
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600
games we played.
Coaching lost us a lot of games.

532
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Being playing scared lost us a
lot of games.

533
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,760
You know, I'm not saying
Montgomery's going to come in

534
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
and change all of that because
like I said at the beginning of

535
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,680
the of the of the broadcast,
it's ultimately on Pry.

536
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Pry is the man.
Like he has to be better for

537
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Virginia Tech to win as a head
coach.

538
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,480
But you bring in somebody like
Matt Moore in that offensive

539
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,920
line room with a lot of
experience and you bring in

540
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,480
somebody like Montgomery with a
lot of experience and powerful

541
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,560
experience, you know, you know,
and and I know we're going to

542
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,400
get to it, which I'll go ahead
and, and hop into it as well.

543
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,600
When you talk about, because
I've seen some people say, you

544
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,480
know, he was down at Auburn and
he sucked.

545
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Well, we ain't Auburn, you know,
that's number one.

546
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,400
I never understand when people
say, well, he was at this school

547
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,360
and he he sucked.
Well, guess what?

548
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,480
He might not have been a fit
there.

549
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,040
There's a lot of things that go
into a factor of I don't know

550
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,240
how Tyler Bowen got an offensive
line coach job at Ohio State, I

551
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,840
don't fucking know.
I really don't know, but he's up

552
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,760
there.
He making $1,000,000.

553
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,280
He going to make some money, so
yes, exactly James.

554
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:36,160
But most of the time from what
I've seen, I mean, I'm around,

555
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,280
I'm in Alabama, so Alabama and
Auburn fans is what I'm around.

556
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,600
Most Auburn fans are very happy
with what Freeze has done

557
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840
recruiting wise.
He is, he's, he's busting ass

558
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,960
and recruiting.
Like he just knows how to

559
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,000
recruit.
You know what I'm saying?

560
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,800
He's he, he, he knows how to get
in the mix.

561
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,640
He knows the things to say.
He knows I don't know where to

562
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,640
drop the money if that's what he
has to do.

563
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,840
Like he'll get a little dirty.
He'll he, he knows how to

564
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
recruit, but when it comes to
putting it on the field, he's

565
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240
been dropping the ball.
You know, when you get into the

566
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,280
recruiting game and you're
talking to a high school high 4

567
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,160
star, borderline 5 star running
back and you say, OK, if I come

568
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,720
to your school, how many touches
am I going to get in my freshman

569
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,280
year?
And then you promise them

570
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,560
something and then you don't
live up to it.

571
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,440
That's probably going to get you
in some trouble.

572
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,680
You know what I'm saying?
When you got the offensive

573
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,240
coordinator and the and the head
coach on a different like they,

574
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,280
they're just on different
playing fields, you know what I

575
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,320
mean?
So I think that's a lot of stuff

576
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,480
that happened when Montgomery
was at Auburn.

577
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,360
Freeze wanted it one way.
Montgomery kind of wanted to do

578
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
his thing and Freeze was like,
no, we're going to run, but I

579
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,840
want to run and I'm going to
take over play calling and I'm

580
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,960
going to go with this
quarterback, I'm going to go

581
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,400
with this.
They ran off all the

582
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
quarterbacks.
August had some good

583
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,360
quarterbacks to come through and
they just, they ran them all off

584
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960
to go with Peyton Thorne.
And Peyton Thorne ain't even

585
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,600
from yet, like he's from
Michigan or something.

586
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040
He came from Michigan State.
So it wasn't like it was a local

587
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
kid that they just had all this
trust in.

588
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Auburn ran off Bo Nicks even
before like Freeze got there.

589
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Like they just mismanaged a lot
of quarterbacks.

590
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280
So Auburn's got their own
problems.

591
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,360
So anybody who's saying, well,
he was at Auburn and he sucked,

592
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,600
like Auburn's got bigger
problems than an offensive

593
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,200
coordinator, I'll just say that.
So hopefully they get together

594
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,760
because I love to watch Auburn.
Like I, if I was any other fan

595
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,840
besides like a Virginia Tech
fan, I'd probably be an Auburn

596
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,680
fan because I just keep up with
like a lot of kids that I've

597
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,920
known personally have gone to
Auburn and Auburn's kind of that

598
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,080
underdog in the, in the, you
know, in the, in the Alabama,

599
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,360
Alabama, Auburn rivalry.
So I've kept up with him a lot.

600
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,800
But back to what we talking
about with Montgomery.

601
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Montgomery being there, as you
can see, he was only there for

602
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000
one year.
I really think that he just

603
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
didn't have his feet under him
to do what he wants to do.

604
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Freeze kind of wanted it to be
and and that's his team, you

605
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,719
know, it's his team.
And if his name's on the line,

606
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,320
he wanted it to be how he wanted
it.

607
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,480
And I understand.
So one thing I can say about

608
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Montgomery, though, is when he
got out of Auburn, he went

609
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,000
straight to straight to the the
UFL to try to get some old like

610
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,280
experience and money and like he
hungry, he trying to he trying

611
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,560
to get somewhere.
So I'm hoping that he just

612
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,800
brings that here and I'm hoping
that he doesn't bite his tongue

613
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,239
when he sees stuff that's off.
You know, I don't know exactly

614
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,080
where his if he's on field, if
he's in the booth, I don't know,

615
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,159
but I just want him to be in
prize ear like, hey man, this

616
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,520
don't make sense.
Why are you making my

617
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960
quarterback?
We got A2 capable running backs.

618
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,239
Why are we running our
quarterback right here, you

619
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,840
know, or why are we throwing the
ball to the tight end right here

620
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,440
when we have two good receivers?
Whatever the case may be, I just

621
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,960
hope he brings his experience to
move the offense along.

622
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,440
So I know that was a lot at one
time.

623
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Curtis.
Yeah.

624
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,320
What you thinking?
Well, with me, it's it's the

625
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680
head coach experience and it's
for a couple reasons for for

626
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
pride.
First of all, not only his

627
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,680
experience as an OC, but his
experience as a head coach

628
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,480
pride.
The only thing he needs to go in

629
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,360
is go check on that room.
How's it going?

630
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,440
Little motivational speech.
Clap everybody up, make

631
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,080
everybody feel good and leave.
Because you have a guy who's

632
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,880
effectively been an offensive
coordinator, if I do the math

633
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:42,560
here, because he called us all
his offense, 1516 years of 1516

634
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,840
years of calling offenses.
He knows that room.

635
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,800
Don't deal with that.
The other thing about him being

636
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,320
a head coach is he's been a head
coach a hell of a lot more years

637
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,400
than Brent Pryor ever has.
Brent Pryor needs to get in his

638
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,880
ear.
Let's talk about game

639
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,320
management, how we want to do
things.

640
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120
What did you learn?
Because you, you put up there

641
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,080
with the Tech Sideline podcast.
I, I listened to the interview

642
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000
today, shout out Chris Coleman,
but big shout out.

643
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440
I am so glad they gave David
Cunningham the lead chair and

644
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040
let him interview.
That kid has been on this show

645
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,200
numerous times.
We've gotten to know him pretty

646
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,080
well.
He deserves to get to do things

647
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,200
like that and he made a great
play or a great interview with

648
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Montgomery today.
But when you when you have that

649
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200
experience, it's almost like,
don't worry about that room.

650
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560
That guy's been through
experiences asking about what he

651
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,120
would do in this situation.
You have now effectively you can

652
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,520
say a Lieutenant, he he's got a
true Lieutenant now he can go in

653
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160
as being a head coach and say,
hey, what would you do right

654
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,200
here?
Should we call timeouts right

655
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,960
here?
And I think that if anything,

656
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,680
because Callie, you keep saying
it, it is all on pride.

657
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,640
It is all on pride.
And if he's the problem, well,

658
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,880
now you got somebody who's went
through the wringer, right?

659
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,840
Figure out what he did wrong.
See if it's the same thing

660
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,320
you're doing wrong and what can
you do to maybe fix it?

661
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Because you still got to fix it.
As far as the other stuff goes

662
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:16,480
with the offense, you know, you
know, somebody put it out here.

663
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,840
I don't know where it was, but
legitimately this might be the

664
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,400
legitimate, most legitimate
offseason higher in Virginia

665
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,400
Tech history, history we have.
And somebody said what about was

666
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,880
it Phillip Nancy, right, Can't
remember that.

667
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,440
I always screw up the Dings.
Y'all know I'm good at doing

668
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,160
that?
No.

669
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040
What was his name that he was,
he became the defensive

670
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,720
coordinator before Bud.
Somebody throw it in there.

671
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,720
I'm butchering his last name.
I can like see it right now.

672
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,720
But he was never defensive
coordinator.

673
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,440
He came as a defensive back
coach and that happened.

674
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,400
We've never had a hire like this
big where you look at that

675
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,200
resume and it's like even a head
coach, even an offensive

676
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,440
coordinator.
He coached the Heisman Trophy

677
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,960
winner.
They won a bunch of games at

678
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,920
Baylor.
He's coached for NFL

679
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,120
quarterbacks.
Thank you, James, right there,

680
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Phillip Monson.
But we've never had a hire like

681
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,960
this.
I give pride credit because some

682
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,720
coaches wouldn't hire another
head coach to come in.

683
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,400
So again, it's the big changes.
I think there's two things here

684
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,360
and this is kind of pivot into
what we're going to talk about

685
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,600
next from a scheme standpoint,
but looking at this hire and

686
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,800
looking at the move Esefkus the
so so two things here.

687
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,880
These are both guys that other
than some some passing, you

688
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,520
know, pass crossing, these
aren't his guys.

689
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,120
There we go.
Yeah, name butchered.

690
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Everybody drink.
You're drinking game you.

691
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Know what if you listen to an
episode like the state of the

692
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,880
program, you will get drunk off
that game.

693
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,880
I don't know if we'll quite go
long enough tonight for that,

694
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,920
but if you get one of those two
or three hour benders you you

695
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,400
might you might get drunk off
that.

696
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
But you know, talking about
skiing, these are two

697
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,840
coordinators.
Both of these coordinator hires

698
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,640
are kind of outside of prize
former sphere of influence,

699
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,400
right.
These these are not his guys.

700
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,440
These are not buddies.
These are not people that he's

701
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,360
had kind of on his short list
for years and years, right?

702
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,640
These are guys that when he
evaluated what he needs to do at

703
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,400
Virginia Tech this offseason,
he's he identified that there

704
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,880
needs to be some shifts to be
successful.

705
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,040
And it looks like on defense,
that's going to be more, you

706
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:53,120
know, 3 high safety looks mixed
up with a hybrid front.

707
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
And, and when you look at
offense, it's it's going to be

708
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,400
more, I'm not going to say
downfield passing, but less

709
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,320
behind this, behind this line of
scrimmage passing.

710
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,840
When we look at the way we're
attacking defenses between the

711
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,600
tackles, it looks like, looks
like he's leaning on us needing

712
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,480
to get better between those
tackles to be more consistent in

713
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,680
the running game.
So he, he, he's addressing that.

714
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
And I think that's impressive
because these are.

715
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,560
They're not wholesale changes
from a, from a scheme standpoint

716
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,080
there there's a lot of
overlapping elements in both of

717
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,240
these schemes, but there are
certainly, you know, big

718
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,160
picture, these are different
looking defenses and different

719
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480
looking offenses.
And, and and that's, that's

720
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,440
something that you got to give
him some kudos to, to look at.

721
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,720
He didn't just, you know, say
we're, we're.

722
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,800
Cooking.
With the status quo.

723
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,440
Just cookies.
You didn't cookie cut these

724
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,360
hires.
Yeah.

725
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,920
So he's he's evaluating
everything and he said we we

726
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,680
need to have a shift on both
sides of the ball.

727
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,080
I'm excited about this offensive
scheme.

728
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,120
I think it's going to be a good
fit for the skilled personnel

729
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,720
that we already have on on
offense.

730
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,600
I think it's going to help ease
the offensive line into what

731
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
they're looking at.
When you think about more

732
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,520
coaching offensive line, this is
a similar philosophy to what

733
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,040
we're looking at with, you know,
if a Neil Brown came in.

734
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,960
So you know, some of the
terminology is going to be

735
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,440
similar.
There's there's going to be some

736
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
overlapping elements there.
So I think they vibed well as

737
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,960
far as what what they each
wanted to accomplish when

738
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,480
thinking about, I'm going to
call him Phil Monte, like the

739
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,440
full Monte, but it's Phil.
Phil Monte.

740
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,480
Phil Monte and and our board,
Matt Moore here, I think they

741
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,040
vibe pretty well on what they
were trying to do offensively

742
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,800
and that's that's why this was a
good fit.

743
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,920
What did you like about the run
scheme?

744
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,040
Because you you said you you got
a chance.

745
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,080
We found that YouTube video and
I think you went in back and

746
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,800
watched a couple games.
What does his and more scheme

747
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,200
What?
What is the meshes?

748
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120
What like?
This is already in place.

749
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,360
This is already in place.
Guys will already know

750
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,280
terminology.
All right, so you know, when we

751
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,480
look at, you know, Neil Brown's
offense, it was an air raid, but

752
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,160
it was a run first air raid.
It was a balanced air raid.

753
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,880
When we look at what Monty has
ran, you know it's mostly veer

754
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,280
and shoot.
It's that art brows that Josh

755
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Hypel type offense.
It's it's going to be heavy with

756
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
it's more of a hybrid scheme.
It's got air raid principles

757
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,720
from a passing standpoint, but
there's still those Smash Mouth

758
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,600
spread principles that you're
going to look at from a more

759
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,720
traditional spread offense.
So it's kind of a hybrid of

760
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,360
that.
And I think that's going to be

761
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,320
good for a quarterback like
Kyron drones, because I think

762
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,760
that's going to help him develop
his passing, especially his

763
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,560
downfield passing.
But you're also going to see him

764
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,440
still be active in the run game,
still be able to use his power,

765
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,560
his athleticism in the run game.
So I'm excited about both of

766
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,840
those standpoints.
And you know, looking at the run

767
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,480
game specifically, what you see
with this is a lot of kind of

768
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,600
when it's when it's wide, when
it's outside the tackles, you

769
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,200
know, a lot of zone philosophies
from a scheme perspective in the

770
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,800
run game.
But you know, between the

771
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
tackles, you're going to see a
lot of gap, you're going to see

772
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,960
a lot of power, a lot of dart,
some ISO.

773
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000
So there's going to be those
elements when you're running

774
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,320
between the tackles, but more of
that zone concept when you're

775
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,920
getting wide.
So you're going to see that,

776
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,400
that beer, that wide zone, stuff
like that.

777
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,920
You're still see that blocked up
pretty similar to what we've

778
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,560
seen in the past.
Tally anything to add on top of

779
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,280
that for maybe ask question?
No, not really, man.

780
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,360
I mean, we've been hitting on it
a little bit.

781
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,680
I think everybody, I mean, I
just, I'm, I'm just excited for

782
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,200
change.
You know what I'm saying?

783
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,960
I feel like you got to change on
offense, change on defense.

784
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,120
You're trying, you're trying put
your best football.

785
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,200
Let's go see what it is.
Let's go see what happens.

786
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,360
I am I am excited about the more
I feel like in certain games,

787
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,480
especially tempo would have
helped us.

788
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,480
So I'm excited about, you know,
the tempo changing and you know,

789
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,360
probably, I think he said in
his, in his clip with the team

790
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,920
that we would use tempo as a
weapon.

791
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,520
I think that was the word.
So even at the lowest, like the

792
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,120
slowest tempo that he had was
faster than on tempo.

793
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,600
I think his slowest tempo was at
Auburn.

794
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,760
I'm looking at it on 247.
It was like 63.

795
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,280
So plays per game.
It's pretty much like 63.62.

796
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,720
That was in 2023.
Now hours over the time that

797
00:44:53,720 --> 00:45:00,120
Tyler Bone was here over the
past three seasons was 62.5 S as

798
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,480
and that was the lowest that his
was like the next lowest for

799
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Montgomery was 69.83, you know,
and the highest that it's ever

800
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,040
been is 87.
I ain't saying that we get

801
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,200
there.
But.

802
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,840
I don't think we need to get
there, but I, I think what,

803
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,360
what, what tempo.
Does is it?

804
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,560
It, it lets you, it lets you
shift gears, right?

805
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,280
It lets you shift gears because
I, you know, and, and let's

806
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,320
think about this a little bit,
think about some of the moments

807
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,400
that were the most head
scratching and hair pulling for

808
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,320
us, right?
Two-minute offense.

809
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Yeah.
And, and the reason for that is

810
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,560
that it's hard when you're not
playing fast to get into that

811
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,080
gear.
And when you're conditioned to

812
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,560
play fast because you can all,
it's a lot easier to slow down

813
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,560
than it is a speed up.
Yep, right, it is.

814
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,520
It is.
And that's the thing he said in

815
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,240
the interview with TSL today
that caught my ear was we're not

816
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,440
going to go fast all the time.
He's like, we're going to go

817
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,280
fast, we're going to go medium.
And he said sometimes we're

818
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,840
going to go slow.
He said that's something he's

819
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960
learned over the last few years
of coaching because he talked

820
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,080
about you get in a track meet
and your defense don't get time

821
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,440
to breathe.
Well, you ain't doing them no

822
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,240
good.
But he said at other times he's

823
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,760
like it.
It sounded like you wanted to

824
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,320
say there's other times you're
up 14 to three and they're on

825
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,200
their heels, put the hammer down
and get to 21 because guess

826
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640
what?
That game playing they had, it's

827
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,200
gone, they down 18 points now
they can't dictate the terms to

828
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,080
you because you've gotten it.
So it seems like to me he's not

829
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,640
going to be back to the old
Baylor style.

830
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,080
But I think like you said,
Brian, like you mentioned,

831
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Tally, there's going to be times
where he's going to look at Kyra

832
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,920
and he's going to say we're just
going to go, yeah, I'm going to

833
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,920
give you the first play.
You're going to go, we're going

834
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,800
to call it, we're going to snap
it in 12 seconds.

835
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,320
And there's going to be times
where we're just going to pound

836
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,040
the ball because that inside run
scheme you talked about, Brian,

837
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,840
y'all can say what you want to
say to me.

838
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,920
It's been over the past about 10
plus years, maybe even more,

839
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,920
that there are times where it's
third and one, third and two.

840
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,280
We can't run the ball inside to
get them.

841
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,200
And I, I, I don't know if it's
for somebody like me, like White

842
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Teller was on this team.
White Teller is one of the best

843
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,920
interior guards.
We didn't have the right scheme

844
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,960
to push forward 2 yards.
So hopefully it all comes to

845
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,920
fruition.
The other thing, and I think

846
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Doug Bowen put this out 247, I
think I sent it to y'all, the

847
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,560
amount of passes behind or at
the line of scrimmage, his a

848
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,520
significantly less than Tyler
Bowen.

849
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,360
His intermediate is
significantly higher.

850
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,080
Yep.
Significantly higher.

851
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,600
And what I liked about looking
at the tape I did is if you

852
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,920
notice just about every single
time there's a pass play,

853
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,200
there's either like a drag, a
quick curl or a flat route.

854
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,840
There is always an easy pass for
the quarterback to make to gain

855
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,600
positive yards.
And I think there were times you

856
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,320
can say the line of scroll,
that's the line of scrimmage

857
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,800
pass.
Well, The thing is if you pass

858
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,600
the fall 2 yards behind the line
of scrimmage and somebody blows

859
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,200
it up, guess what, it's second
and 12.

860
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,840
Now you were behind the sticks
versus if you run a drag round

861
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,800
and get 3 yards as second and
seven, everything to play books

862
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,400
there to get a decent third
down.

863
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Anything else additional on the
scheme?

864
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Brian Talley, I.
Don't think so.

865
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,560
I think we're good, man.
We can move on.

866
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,440
All right, somebody is asking.
I'll find it here.

867
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,040
Where'd it go about the
recruiting ability?

868
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Well, right now we do not know
the staff makeup.

869
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,400
We know that there's change is
coming, probably literally said

870
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,480
that at the press conference.
There's going to be some things

871
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,200
shuffled.
There's probably some more

872
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,040
people getting hired.
And to be honest, y'all, I don't

873
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
think, I think to your point,
what you said a little earlier,

874
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,760
Brian, I think he's going to
primarily coach the

875
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,320
quarterbacks, but I think he's
going to be in every room.

876
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,800
And I think that is the that is
the thing pride wants now.

877
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,440
He wins his coordinators.
Listen, you're not going to be

878
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,680
travelling on the week of games.
You're going to sit here and get

879
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,560
the game plan ready.
That is your job.

880
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,280
Yeah.
And on that question, when

881
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,560
somebody asked, they said what
about his recruiting ability?

882
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,360
I think they're just asking
like, do we think he's a good

883
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,360
recruiter?
Who knows, man.

884
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,880
I mean, realistically, I don't
think it really matters.

885
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,000
I think that as far as in this
position, I think that the

886
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,960
production is going to be the
recruiting tool that you would

887
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,000
need.
Like you got to go out and show

888
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,360
somebody what the offense looks
like.

889
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,200
I mean, you're in a damn good
position with Kyron Jones as

890
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,960
your quarterback, you know, and
then you bring in some great

891
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,280
skill players as well.
If you go out and you make this

892
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,040
offense look halfway decent, you
will turn some heads and make

893
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,880
some people want to come.
We we've been getting good

894
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,320
players, even if when we had bad
offenses or bad teams.

895
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:13,160
So if you go out and you produce
and you win, you know, I think

896
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,720
that that's the bigger
recruiting tool than just him

897
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,680
being a recruiter.
You know, even like when Bud,

898
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,760
you know, when Bud was defensive
coordinator, he wasn't a huge

899
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920
recruiter.
Like when people think about

900
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,440
Bud, if you if you know anything
about him, he wasn't a huge

901
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,720
recruiter.
So when he went and got Dax

902
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,320
because like that was his guy,
like it was a big deal for him

903
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,560
to put that much time in recruit
cause Bud just didn't do that

904
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,320
so.
He didn't.

905
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,960
He was a he was a good closer,
but he didn't get the road very

906
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,480
he didn't.
Hit the he didn't hit the road

907
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,680
that much.
So I'm not saying like, I just

908
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,320
don't think that that plays as
big of a deal as like.

909
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Well, hold on Cal positions, you
want to know the recruiting

910
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,480
stats.
If he goes out here and Kyron

911
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,600
throws for 3000A, Green goes for
1000, Donovan Green goes for

912
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,080
1000, and the two guys we
brought in through the portal

913
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,080
rush for 1000, there's going to
be damn people kicking down your

914
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,440
door when they come here like.
Green Green sounds like a law

915
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,880
firm man.
We going we going to have some

916
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,360
yeah, we going to have some law
firm.

917
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,240
We can put up some law firm
numbers.

918
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,520
So I, I was looking at his 247
recruiting history.

919
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,720
So he pulled a four-star like
high bid folk, 4 star

920
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:28,520
quarterback Walker White while
he was at Auburn got pulled a

921
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,640
four-star wide receiver, Baylor
4 star wide receiver while he

922
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,760
was at at Tulsa.
So he was the primary on a on a

923
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,800
wide receiver while he was the
head coach, which you don't

924
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,960
really see that, but you know,
it is what it is.

925
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,240
He he pulled a.
Well, you say he was at Tulsa.

926
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,800
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he was calling his

927
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,440
own plays at Tulsa, too.
So yeah, exactly had something

928
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,120
to do with it.
Yeah, so I mean, he he pulled a

929
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:58,040
four-star wide receiver primary,
you know, recruiter on a, on a

930
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,400
wide receiver while he was the
head coach and obviously

931
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,440
recruited Bryce Petty, who was a
mid to low three star and, you

932
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,560
know, turned him into a hell of
a quarterback.

933
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,920
So.
Two time back, player of the

934
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,360
year got drafted all around the
league a few years.

935
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,240
So yeah, in in the recruiting
point.

936
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,760
It's you're to a point now, and
I know we don't we're going to

937
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,520
talk about this, but like, high
school recruiting's almost

938
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,440
become the secondary.
Yeah.

939
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,840
It is like, like, like I keep
thinking about the Michigan

940
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,040
situation.
They're going to pay that kid

941
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,720
$10 million.
What if that kid is ass?

942
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Like, like seriously, that's
what.

943
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,840
Eventually where it's come to.
But but what's eventually going

944
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,080
to happen, again, rich people
don't like everybody's like

945
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,120
Miami's going to kill the NIL
game.

946
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,680
And then they sucked and that
guy pulled that 10 million

947
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,000
backs, like, no, no, no, you
don't get my money.

948
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,040
But just a few other things talk
about.

949
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,800
We do have a new senior director
of player personnel trade near.

950
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,080
He was effectively coming over
from West Virginia in the same

951
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,520
role, also being a recruiting
assistant from the same role.

952
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,880
That's Mike Villagrano's old
role who left a little while

953
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,560
ago.
So that's been done.

954
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,160
We still have director of high
school relations, a director of

955
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,400
recruiting, and obviously we got
to know about the quarterback

956
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,640
coach.
We got to know what Sam going to

957
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,920
do.
So we're probably going to be

958
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,240
back here a week from tonight
because my feeling is probably

959
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,400
Monday and next week
everything's probably going to

960
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,200
get laid out.
Well, I think now that you've

961
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,680
got your, your coordinators in
place there, there's been

962
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,000
conversations with them and,
and, and Coach Pry about how

963
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,480
they want that side of the ball
to look from a structure

964
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,960
standpoint, whether any
additional hires are going to be

965
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,240
brought in, whether in any
additional shuffling is

966
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,440
happening.
It sounds like there's

967
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,120
definitely still some
reshuffling that's being

968
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,200
discussed.
So at minimum, we're going to

969
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,720
see guys at least having an, a
different official position next

970
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,800
to their name come come spring
ball.

971
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,360
You know, the question is going
to be how much shuffling is

972
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,040
still done on offense.
We know that there's at least

973
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,600
going to be a little bit on
defense though.

974
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,920
Yep. 100% all right as y'all
know we are brought to you by

975
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,320
the Counts Family Pharmacy at
three O 1 S Main St. in black.

976
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,760
What you doing man?
He heard Miami.

977
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,000
He had a child.
Don't see the bat signal?

978
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,080
Like what the hell?
Miami All right, let's talk

979
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,560
about just a few more things for
wrap up tonight since we hadn't

980
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,400
been here for a few weeks.
Literally, we talked about going

981
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,280
on with Tyler Bowen let go, but
it was just like, well, it's

982
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,960
going to be like 10 minutes.
Tally's going to rant.

983
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,400
We're going to say a few things
and that's it.

984
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,280
He don't need to talk about it.
He's gone.

985
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:58,320
But a few things did break at at
a higher level that we got to

986
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,120
hit tonight.
And the first big one is ESPN

987
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,960
decides to extend the ACC
contract that goes to 2036.

988
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,880
I'm going to stop here for a
second and say a few things.

989
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:15,480
2036, everybody's currently on
this screen. 2036 will be 50

990
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,960
years old.
First of all, that's asininely

991
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,720
long.
We're going to be 50.

992
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,080
We're all in our early 40s right
now.

993
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,000
That's a stupid ass long
contract.

994
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,800
So there's that.
Now, a couple other things that

995
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,680
kind of hit out here is they're
saying Florida State, Clemson,

996
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,160
Miami are going to play.
Notre Dame won't.

997
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,120
Fuck them, I don't care.
Fuck my fucks.

998
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,000
What the fucks all four of them?
What the game more than anybody,

999
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,360
You know what the ACC should
have held their feet to the fire

1000
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,600
during COVID when they let them
slide in and use the ACC to play

1001
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,560
in those games and play in the
conference championship.

1002
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,440
Whatever it was, they should
have held their feet to the fire

1003
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,400
and said either yes or no.
What are you going to do?

1004
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,480
You ain't playing nobody this.
Year, they just been just riding

1005
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,440
that wave.
Let them do what they want to

1006
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,840
do.
I know they got all kind of

1007
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,560
fucking Catholic money or
whatever they got, but I don't

1008
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,000
know man, pick a conference or
get on.

1009
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,200
Yeah.
Kind of them hanging around.

1010
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,320
What you know, when you look at
it, I, I think the, the problem

1011
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,240
that I have with it and, and new
kings going to love this.

1012
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,880
But like my problem with the way
they're structuring this is kind

1013
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,200
of it feels like they're,
they're just appeasing the FS

1014
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,880
U's, the Clemson's and the
Miami's for the sake of doing it

1015
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,200
without looking at the bigger
picture.

1016
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,720
It's like, OK, so you got you
got a couple, you got a couple

1017
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,080
headaches with FSU.
You know, Clemson kind of jumped

1018
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,240
in on that.
You know, when you look at that,

1019
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,640
the media money, I mean, one of
those three and even in the top

1020
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,600
five in terms of media for the
conference.

1021
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,920
So it's it's kind of wild that
we're we're doing this pick

1022
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,280
winners and losers thing as part
of this this process instead of

1023
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
just saying, hey, if if you go
out there and win football

1024
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,440
games, you get a bigger piece of
the pie.

1025
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,920
Right.
Yeah, the other thing about that

1026
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,840
too, Bron, I'm going to follow a
couple things here.

1027
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,240
First of all, Clemson and FSU
are asking for less granted

1028
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,520
right penalties in 2031.
If you are asking what's the

1029
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:36,120
significance of 20312031, every
conference but the ACC, because

1030
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,800
John Swofford is a dipshit, is
going to market.

1031
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,760
Now, we don't know what that's
going to look like because right

1032
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,400
now it's all high and tidy.
But we've seen it like we've

1033
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
seen sports in the past because
remember the NBA used to be

1034
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,800
bigger ratings in football back
in the day and then it fell off

1035
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,240
same Major League Baseball.
So right now they're riding

1036
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,120
high.
We don't know what's going to

1037
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,080
happen in 2031.
So there's that.

1038
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,240
The other piece is you talked
about those initiatives, Brian.

1039
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,560
Well, let's talk about Robbie's
note real quick.

1040
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,960
Here.
Because from a meteorite

1041
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,160
standpoint, if we're looking at
the P2.

1042
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,080
Yeah.
Virginia teams have a little bit

1043
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,400
more of a market that isn't
already available in like the

1044
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,400
SEC than some of these schools.
Yeah.

1045
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,240
So in in that.
Markets in these area in these

1046
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,760
states.
So there there's not that much

1047
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,880
inherent inherent benefit from a
media rights down new kings

1048
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,840
pointing out bigger picture ACC
is dead here and I'm throw that

1049
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:49,720
one up here.
Yeah.

1050
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,480
Well, that's the whole thing
that we're talking about with

1051
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,160
the the initiatives because it's
not going to be a split pot like

1052
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,080
it is right now for the SEC in
the Big 10.

1053
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,200
That if Clemson in Miami and
Florida State are getting more

1054
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,880
of the pie, then they're
probably not going to be $20

1055
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,800
million behind.
They're going to be like 5 to

1056
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
$10 million around.
You can survive on that.

1057
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,360
Yeah.
It's, it's just.

1058
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,840
It's just.
So funny as like, you know, at

1059
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,720
some point, like why are we
basing it on names though?

1060
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,320
Like to Robbie's point, I mean,
yeah, these three teams are are

1061
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,440
likely to join some sort of P4
conference just because of their

1062
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,840
history and and things like
that.

1063
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:35,440
But if the ACC folds, at least
half that conference is is going

1064
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,040
to be in one of the P4P2
conferences or the other.

1065
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,920
At the end of the day, that's
what's happening.

1066
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,720
Four to six teams are going to
be in the SEC or Big 10 when the

1067
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,880
ACC folds.
Yeah, because this is this is

1068
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,200
put what bag put up there
because I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

1069
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,840
I'm gonna counter on this
because if you start saying,

1070
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,720
because I love what Josh Pate
said, I don't just I don't agree

1071
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,080
with everything he says.
I think he's got some good

1072
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,280
thoughts.
I think he's got some dumb

1073
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
thoughts.
But he says eventually you don't

1074
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,760
think the SEC and the Big 10 big
schools are going to look over

1075
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,240
there and say to that
commissioner, I'm Alabama,

1076
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,080
motherfucker, I'm getting
$78,000,000 a year and freaking

1077
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,200
Vanderbilt's getting $78,000,000
a year.

1078
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,440
Screw you.
You're going to start paying me.

1079
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,080
And when that happens?
That's when potentially this

1080
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,280
could happen right here.
Football gets too big for the

1081
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,560
conferences.
Somebody comes in and says you

1082
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,000
know what, there ain't no
conferences no more.

1083
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,400
We're going to put all the money
into a pot and y'all going to be

1084
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,760
separate from your conferences
now Greg Sankey?

1085
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,080
And what is it petty guy up in
Big 10 country?

1086
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,400
They going to fight tooth and
nail to say no, no we need

1087
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,480
conferences.
I think, I think that's probably

1088
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,040
another drink for the listeners
out.

1089
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,760
There oh whatever trying to get
you all fucked up tonight, but

1090
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:02,880
but like that happens there will
be no it's just going to be here

1091
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,640
is P4 college football.
He is probably 60 teams in a

1092
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,240
play in there.
Each little region, it's going

1093
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,720
to be the NFL.
Here's the northeast region,

1094
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,080
here's the Mid-Atlantic region,
here's the South Atlantic,

1095
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,400
here's the Deep South, here's
the Ohio Valley, here's this,

1096
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,840
here's this.
And it'll be like nine of them.

1097
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:30,760
So, but you can't do anything.
But you got to talk about it

1098
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,400
because your team's sitting here
and you know you're slowly going

1099
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,000
to fall behind.
You're still third in the money,

1100
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,960
right?
You're still third in the money,

1101
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,880
but you know, you're about $20
million off, so.

1102
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,560
We'll.
See what happened, but that kind

1103
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,720
of leads to the thing Brian, you
kind of got interested in was

1104
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,280
the Ross Dellinger stuff, so.
Yeah.

1105
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,040
I mean, kind of looking at some
highlights of that.

1106
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,160
You know, you had the house
settlement, you know, it was

1107
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,560
reported on by Ross Dellinger,
you know, a couple months back.

1108
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,000
We didn't really have a chance
to cover it the last time, the

1109
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,720
last couple times we've been on
here, yeah, we've really been

1110
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,320
kind of focused on talking about
the coordinators.

1111
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,520
Yeah.
So you know, there's there's a

1112
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,680
revenue, revenue sharing piece
of this.

1113
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,720
You know, part of the schools,
any of the schools that opt into

1114
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,000
the settlement will share a
portion of their revenue with

1115
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,520
their athletes.
There's going to be back pay.

1116
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,720
So 2.77 billion will be
distributed over the next decade

1117
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,720
to athletes who who paid, who
played from 2016 to 2024.

1118
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,680
So essentially, you know, kind
of going back in that in that

1119
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,400
that time frame there, you know,
with the NIL agreements,

1120
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,240
athletes will sign agreements
that will guarantee compensation

1121
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,440
directly from the school.
So that's a difference than what

1122
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,760
we've been kind of dealing with
before with a lot of the, you

1123
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,720
know, triumphs of the world kind
of negotiating inclusively but

1124
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,160
separately from the school.
This is kind of bringing

1125
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,280
everything under the under the
umbrella, making things a little

1126
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,640
bit more above board.
So kind of taking it at a high

1127
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,880
level it it's expected to shift
payments to athletes from the

1128
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,920
boosters to the schools
themselves.

1129
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,480
It's expected to, you know,
change how the athletes are

1130
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:30,000
going to be paid and it's really
going to be a little bit closer

1131
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,000
to an NFL model in terms of
athlete compensation.

1132
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,520
The difference being is that
you're not going to see you

1133
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,080
don't have a cap and you don't
have multi year agreements,

1134
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,640
right?
It's still going to be a year by

1135
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,360
year, case by case situation
that we kind of been dealing

1136
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,960
with, you know, since NIL has
been instituted.

1137
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,480
But you're at least going to
have things that are publicly

1138
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,160
available in terms of what these
agreements are and how they're

1139
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,440
handled.
And obviously it's going to be a

1140
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,680
a big shift in what the
collectives are doing, being

1141
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,240
more of a fundraising arm or a
separate fundraising arm outside

1142
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,720
of the the typical booster
operations versus being the sole

1143
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,840
kind of arbiter and and
distributor of the funds to the

1144
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:24,320
athletes.
Very well spoke Brown on that

1145
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,560
because that is some high level,
very technical stuff going on.

1146
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,080
The only question I have is you
have to opt in.

1147
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,120
I think it's by like July to pay
that.

1148
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,120
But that that guarantees the
school's going to pay you.

1149
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Like what do you do?
I mean, there's schools all over

1150
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,920
the country, but if you're some
kid at some big name school and

1151
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,920
they don't opt in because
there's already those, we've

1152
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,720
seen it out there.
Yeah.

1153
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,560
I was promised $300,000 and I
got 50 and I never saw anything

1154
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,720
else, but I played this year.
Did you sign a contract?

1155
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,520
No, sorry.
You ain't getting that $250,000,

1156
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:07,280
kids.
Do you think that write it now,

1157
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,200
Like, how does that sweat kids?
Because if you go to schools,

1158
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,200
like, yeah, we're not opting in,
We're still going to pay you.

1159
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Like, what do you say?
Like, what are you supposed to

1160
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,240
say to those kids?
I mean, to me, it's you

1161
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,640
negative.
Recruit the shit out of it.

1162
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,880
Yeah, and I'm, you know, and you
got the whole Jaden Rashada

1163
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,200
situation that has played out
over the course of.

1164
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,200
Wait a second, is that the
Wisconsin guy?

1165
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Or the quarterback that
originally committed to Florida.

1166
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,640
Oh, oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's,
it's crazy.

1167
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,560
Because oh, no, sorry.
Miami New King.

1168
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,880
Miami.
Miami.

1169
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,720
Left Miami, went up to Florida,
wound up at Arizona State.

1170
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,160
Yeah, Arizona State and that and
now at Georgia.

1171
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,280
And the issue was nobody paid
him.

1172
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,120
We'll give you $7,000,000.
No, we ain't.

1173
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,880
We're going to get you to sign.
We ain't giving you shit.

1174
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,600
But again, what the whole thing
is, it's moving more and more

1175
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,760
like somebody put on there like
there's going to be salary caps,

1176
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,360
you know, and things like that.
Payments listed as public.

1177
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,520
Someone else put that bag, put
that up there.

1178
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:21,160
It's just, you can help me.
They were just, they were

1179
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,560
getting shoe boxes full of money
is what they were getting.

1180
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,160
That's how you paid kids back
then.

1181
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,400
Just give them a shoe box full
of money.

1182
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,440
But it's going to be interesting
to see how this actually falls

1183
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,120
out because the one thing going
forward is could there be a cap?

1184
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:41,280
Could there be a cap?
Somebody put it on there like

1185
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,920
effectively like 18 million or
20 million.

1186
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,480
That's it.
That's what you can pay your

1187
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,360
kids.
You can't pay them no more, no

1188
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:53,520
less, so be very smart.
All the good old days, right

1189
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,520
Josh?
The good old golden Trans Am

1190
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,160
baby, it's great.
All right.

1191
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,920
One last piece I wanted to hit.
Just college football wise, we

1192
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,200
just went to 12 teams and now
there's more discussion of

1193
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,680
expansion.
If y'all have not heard,

1194
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:19,400
potentially going by 2026.
So 2 years, 14 to 16 teams now.

1195
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:25,960
Right now SEC and Big 10 are
trying to basically say they

1196
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,000
deserve four teams each.
ACC Big 12 would get 2.

1197
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,720
Any feelings on that?
I don't, I don't think you

1198
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,600
should ever lock in a number of
schools outside of a single

1199
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,000
automatic bid per conference.
Right I.

1200
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:48,000
Agree and that that applies.
ACCSEC big big 10, whoever the

1201
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,440
fuck it is, you should not be
booking multiple automatic bids.

1202
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,400
The number of team Like look at
OK look at the number of teams

1203
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:02,640
we have in the NCAA tournament
in March Madness and each team

1204
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,920
is still going to get one
fucking guaranteed spot.

1205
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,920
So if you got a field of 64 and
it's only one, why the fuck are

1206
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,040
you going to give 4 when the
when the field is 14 or 16?

1207
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,720
It doesn't make any damn sense.
Yeah, I agree.

1208
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,680
It it, it doesn't make sense,
but I mean, the way it is it,

1209
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,080
it's the Wild West.
There is nobody controlling

1210
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,840
this.
It's literally conferences,

1211
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,000
getting a room.
This is what we going to do.

1212
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,319
This is what we going to do.
And the bad thing is the, the,

1213
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,160
the ACC, and I mean even the Big
12, I mean, they, they have

1214
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:47,160
essentially ceded the leverage
over the last decade plus to the

1215
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,359
SEC in the Big 10, where I don't
think they have enough leverage

1216
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,200
to say no for fear that they
would get stuck with an even

1217
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,240
worse situation.
Like they don't have a leverage

1218
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,279
to like big Dick their way into
the room.

1219
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,040
No, they don't.
They don't.

1220
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:11,279
So now with that being said,
there is now discussions like

1221
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,720
all the SEC and the Big 10 are
going to play every year where

1222
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,000
they can't do that because they
don't have even teams.

1223
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,359
The SEC has 16, the Big 10 has
18.

1224
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,600
But let me ask you all this.
I did the math.

1225
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,279
If you count Notre Dame, you
have any Power Four teams?

1226
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:29,640
There are.
We got. 68 It's an even number.

1227
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,359
Why can't y'all just figure out
just let the power four teams

1228
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:38,120
all play each other go to non
conference games, go to non

1229
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,840
conference games and you play
one from each of the other

1230
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,279
conferences.
It would help get rivalries back

1231
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:48,240
renewed.
It would it would help for me

1232
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,319
bring eyes because what you can
do is basically say where'd you

1233
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:53,240
finish last year we were second
in the conference.

1234
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,400
All right, you going to play
somebody in the top five of the

1235
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,160
SEC in the Big 10 or the SEC in
the Big 12?

1236
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,280
You're going to play three of
the top teams.

1237
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,160
Well, we sucked last year.
Where you going to play the

1238
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,720
bottom?
Curtis doesn't make sense.

1239
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,760
Stop trying to make too much
sense here man.

1240
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,280
Make me commissioner.
I've had shit happy as hell

1241
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,000
because I'd make sure every
year, every year there were the

1242
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,200
big speed one out of conference
game where Tally could drive

1243
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,280
less than 4 hours to go see the
Hokies play.

1244
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,640
You know, I'm going to say the
most low hanging fruit thing

1245
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,840
that you can right now.
But what, what what is being

1246
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,480
negotiated right now?
What's been negotiated, what

1247
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:36,040
feels like for the last, you
know, decade plus is not really

1248
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,960
what's best for the game or for
the fans.

1249
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,640
This is what's best for the
money.

1250
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,760
That's true.
And what's best for the money,

1251
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,240
unfortunately, is for SEC and
Big 10 teams in the fucking

1252
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,560
playoff.
That's that.

1253
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,600
That's what it is.
So they don't really give a shit

1254
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,320
about whether this thing has any
sort of parity.

1255
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,040
They don't care about, they
don't care about long term

1256
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,480
either.
They don't care about the long

1257
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,440
term money.
They care about what's rolling

1258
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:12,600
in right now and what's rolling
in right now.

1259
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,840
Is that all right?
So you got 5-4 or five teams in

1260
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,960
the SEC that draw more eyes than
in the entirety of the Big 12

1261
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,160
Conference or most of the ACC,
right?

1262
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,000
So they want to try to get those
teams in at all cost.

1263
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,440
And they looked at the Big 12
and they looked in the ACC.

1264
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:38,720
And they say probably best case
scenario in whether this is

1265
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,440
fair, right or wrong, whatever.
The AC CS probably only going to

1266
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:45,680
have two teams every year that
can draw eyes like that, that

1267
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,160
can draw eyes in that similar
ballpark.

1268
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:53,120
Big 12, same damn thing.
So they like, we'll give you

1269
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,680
those bones because we'll take
that money, but we're not going

1270
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,280
to give you any more because
this ain't what it's about.

1271
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,800
Tally what you got.
I think it's all stupid.

1272
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,200
I think it's all about the have
and have nots.

1273
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:14,040
But like you said earlier, man,
it's just having putting a

1274
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,120
number on it just sounds stupid
to me.

1275
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,480
Are we going to get it 4 because
it may not be four teams may not

1276
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:21,120
be deserving.
You know what I'm saying?

1277
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,200
If you.
Have a shit year, You're going

1278
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,560
to put four in there.
That's what I.

1279
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,120
Put four in there anyway.
Yeah, I.

1280
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,160
Don't think.
About that everybody was and we

1281
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,720
we talked about it plenty, but
everybody was talking about this

1282
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,640
year like how the games weren't
good and this and that.

1283
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,160
I was like whatever man, that's
just what y'all want.

1284
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,440
Everybody has a way that they're
trying to play.

1285
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,560
Everybody wants to play
something that's going, you

1286
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,760
know, make them feel good about
something, whether it's their

1287
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,680
team or their conference or
something like that.

1288
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,040
But I mean, the games have
always been the games, you know,

1289
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,520
like it, like we said, you go
look at the championship games,

1290
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,280
most of the time it's been a
blowout as of lately or a very

1291
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,680
lopsided game.
Even though this year wasn't a

1292
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,720
blowout, it was a lopsided game,
you know what I'm saying?

1293
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,760
So that that just most of the
time in college football, there

1294
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,760
is one team that's just better
than most teams in that year.

1295
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:21,360
They may screw up and lose 1
game, maybe even two games, but

1296
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,480
most of the time there's a team
that's just, they get it going

1297
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:27,840
at the right time and they just,
they're going to beat whoever

1298
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,000
you put in front of them.
So that's not going to change.

1299
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,840
No matter how many, how many
ACCSCC, whatever schools you try

1300
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,160
to put in, sometimes you're just
not going to win.

1301
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,680
Yeah, but to me it's just a
number like we need, we have to

1302
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,880
have four teams and it's like,
what if you are just a pile of

1303
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,280
shit conference and you put four
teams in that year?

1304
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,400
It's a money grab, like.
They just, they just want the

1305
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,800
money, that's all the.
Money, it's got to be relative

1306
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,880
too, because I mean, you know,
you can say 4, but there's going

1307
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,080
to be 4 good teams in the SEC
every year, right?

1308
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,240
It's just good teams.
Not not saying deserving teams

1309
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:05,840
relative to the other
conference, but there's going to

1310
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,040
be 4 good teams in the SEC every
year.

1311
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,480
But when you got to look at it
relative to the rest of the

1312
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:14,080
competition, that's why that
exists.

1313
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,920
You can't just say flat out will
you get four teams in regardless

1314
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,960
because you know you're bringing
the most money and you've got

1315
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,080
the best players.
Like at some point we got to

1316
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:27,960
say, OK, I get that this is
about putting the best teams in

1317
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,720
the playoff, but it's about
putting the best teams that earn

1318
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,280
the spot into the playoff, not
just putting teams in.

1319
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,840
Because they still matter.
Like we're not, we're not

1320
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,120
simming a a dynasty on fucking
NCAA here.

1321
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,760
Like at some point you, you got
to play the fucking games.

1322
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Well, the, the, what's going,
this is what's going to happen

1323
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,480
and this is what's going to
snap.

1324
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,600
It is.
There's going to be some year

1325
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,520
there's going to be some SEC
team that plays three good out

1326
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,680
of conference, goes one and two
and out of conference and wins

1327
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,840
like 6 and one inside and
they're going to be 8 and four.

1328
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,440
Like they won the SEC and you're
like that motherfucker won eight

1329
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:06,440
games like they.
Makes a good point here too.

1330
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,840
The games were good.
They should have been spaced out

1331
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,840
better.
And the whole thing is people

1332
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,920
were like, well, you know, some
of those games were blowouts.

1333
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,400
And it's just like, that's
football.

1334
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,280
That's just football.
The NFL has charity.

1335
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,240
Well, well, let's look at the
NFL this year.

1336
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,840
That week one wild card had a
bunch of dog shit games, except

1337
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,600
Washington and Tampa Bay.
They were awful.

1338
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,200
They were awful to watch.
Even the second weekend wasn't

1339
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,800
that interesting.
And that's a league with parity

1340
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,720
that drafts, that chooses their
own players.

1341
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,600
They can cut anybody at any
time.

1342
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,560
Yep.
And, and also, I mean, you had a

1343
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,880
blowout in the Super Bowl.
And I think regardless of what

1344
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,720
you feel about Kansas City and
the referees, nobody thought

1345
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,000
that Kansas City didn't fucking
belong in that game.

1346
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,080
And they got smashed.
So that's why you play the

1347
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,720
games.
And that's why these everybody

1348
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,360
that says, well, these teams
just don't have a shot.

1349
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,400
They don't have a shot.
No, do not have a shot is to not

1350
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,280
get a chance to play a game.
That's the day you take shots

1351
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,440
off the table because nobody
gave Arizona State a chance

1352
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:13,920
against Texas.
That game was supposed to be,

1353
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,560
what was it, 11 1/2 point line?
That game was supposed to be a

1354
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,560
blowout.
That's the most entertaining

1355
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,080
game all year.
But it but but reality.

1356
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,840
We should have had Ole Miss in
there, right?

1357
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,400
We should have had that.
They really they were a better

1358
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,360
team than Arizona State this
year.

1359
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,800
Right.
Yeah, we we said old Miss or

1360
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,000
Alabama should have been in
there.

1361
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,840
Really.
No.

1362
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,400
No, no.
So you know.

1363
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,760
And the only thing I like that
has come out of this is that I

1364
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,920
agree that re racking the
seating would have helped what

1365
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,080
we dealt with significantly
significantly.

1366
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,320
And the automatic, the automatic
bid shouldn't necessarily

1367
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,040
guarantee you that buy.
Yeah.

1368
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,920
Now I don't necessarily, you
know, I, I think if you win a

1369
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,600
conference, you know, let's have
some discussions about if you're

1370
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,560
not in the top four, that you
get to automatically host that

1371
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:08,920
game, right?
That that could be a

1372
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,920
conversation that you have so
you don't end up with your

1373
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,160
conference champion potentially
hosting a team from their own

1374
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:21,320
conference that they just beat
on a neutral site, right.

1375
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,000
So that so that's a fucked up
scenario.

1376
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,960
That's a fucked up scenario, But
a a better scenario is that you

1377
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,280
still rank them.
You give the buys to who the

1378
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,120
buys belong to.
After that, if they're still

1379
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,400
conference champions that didn't
get that by you, at least give

1380
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,280
them that that five to to 8
slot.

1381
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,360
Well, I think what's the, the,
the big thing that might come

1382
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:47,920
out of this whole rear act of
the playoff is a conference.

1383
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,240
I think conference championship
weekend is probably going to go

1384
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,320
away.
It's going to probably go away.

1385
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,400
Robbie, we get it.
We got it, Robbie.

1386
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,520
Yeah, Oregon did say please
receive.

1387
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,400
But the conference champion,
because the discussions is if

1388
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,000
they do what they want to do,
which I think it's going to come

1389
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,000
to fruition.
And what you're going to have

1390
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,600
basically is like for the SEC in
the Big 10, their top two teams

1391
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,800
are in the playoff and they're
going to basically say 4-5 and

1392
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,120
six.
You're going to play each other.

1393
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,160
The ACC, your top teams in the
playoff, your two and three

1394
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:24,720
teams are going to play to see
who gets in.

1395
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,840
Now that would probably make
conference championship or

1396
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,040
Thanksgiving weekend super
intriguing.

1397
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,880
But to me, you want to do
anything, guarantee the the four

1398
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,400
big conferences, 2 spots each
conference, regular season

1399
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,800
champion in play in games, and
then figure out the rest.

1400
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,920
Because I'm not against, because
the one thing I like is good

1401
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,560
games.
I think I think this season also

1402
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,280
made the case against conference
championship games.

1403
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:59,560
Yeah, in general, just screwed.
Screwed Oregon, benefited Penn

1404
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:06,880
State, who else in a way.
Well, Carson Beck got hurt so

1405
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,240
didn't really screw him.
Although Texas got the easier

1406
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,240
match up on New Year's Day,
technically.

1407
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,720
Yeah.
So it's all sorts of wild stuff.

1408
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,080
And to me, I think what they're
about to do, and this is my

1409
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,440
opinion, it's an Invitational.
It's not a playoff format

1410
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,440
anymore because you are
literally saying, oh, you,

1411
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,960
you're guaranteed.
You're guaranteed in playoffs.

1412
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,920
There are no guarantees.
There aren't tally.

1413
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,280
Your son played in the
basketball playoffs, y'all.

1414
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,320
Y'all weren't guaranteed a spot
where y'all's conference wasn't

1415
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,920
guaranteed a spot in there.
No, y'all had a play I got.

1416
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,200
To go play man, got to play the
game.

1417
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,400
And, and, and eventually if you
ask me what the demise of

1418
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,520
college football or the casual
fan will be, it's effectively

1419
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,080
people are going to start
looking at it and it's not

1420
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,720
anybody on this call right here.
We like college football.

1421
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,400
We have our team, we watch other
games as well.

1422
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:11,400
But the casual fan who won't
watch anybody but their team,

1423
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,040
who will turn the Saturday night
game on and watch it or to 4:30

1424
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:20,000
to 3:30, if you lose them with
this dumb shit, that's when the

1425
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,480
bottom falls out.
And it's going to be everybody's

1426
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,040
going to be begging for money,
everybody.

1427
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,520
So yeah, Kyle, you've been
looking.

1428
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:30,680
Hardest computer there.
What?

1429
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,760
What is it the Lakers on?
Yeah, the Lakers is on, but I

1430
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,400
thought I just been looking at
different stats and all types of

1431
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,800
stuff.
Like the the 247 thing really

1432
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,600
intrigued me about Montgomery.
I didn't pay attention to it

1433
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,760
until just now.
Just I mean, they they got a lot

1434
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,640
of stuff in there.
I got a deep dive and look at

1435
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,760
what they were just talking
about.

1436
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,400
I think it's called the seven.
I think it's like labeled the

1437
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:58,200
seven differences of from Bowen
to Montgomery.

1438
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,240
I've just been paying attention
to that.

1439
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,360
It's a lot of stats in there.
That's like, OK, I'm interested,

1440
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,840
man.
I'm interested just to see

1441
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,480
what's going to happen and to
see what what's route we're

1442
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,000
going to go and then when
somebody's going to tell pry,

1443
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,760
hey man, what you doing is
fucking dumb.

1444
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,080
Let's do something different.
There you go.

1445
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:20,600
Well, again, I, I, I've said
this three or four times, Tally.

1446
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:26,240
He's already decided to do that
himself because it takes stones

1447
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,720
to fire people.
It also takes stones because he

1448
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,440
literally brought in someone
with a hell of a lot more

1449
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:35,560
experience and a lot of times
that don't happen.

1450
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,960
So yeah, But I can't wait till
you.

1451
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,960
It's going to be about what time
is it right now, 10:00, Give me

1452
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,560
12 hours.
Tally's going to be sending us

1453
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,600
all these stuff.
He's looking up and found and

1454
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,640
said look at this, look at this.
Yeah.

1455
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,400
And I love it because that's the
way it's supposed to be.

1456
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,520
All right.
Well, did anything break like we

1457
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,080
we hadn't heard like we are
hiring a coordinator or a

1458
01:21:58,200 --> 01:21:59,760
different coach or anything,
have we?

1459
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,920
No, we're not hiring 1/3
coordinator, so right.

1460
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,840
Are we making somebody just a
special teams only coordinator?

1461
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,200
That's the hope, right?
We can only, we can only hope

1462
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,600
with.
This maybe maybe.

1463
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,920
All right, well, let's wrap it
up.

1464
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,160
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1465
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,000
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1467
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,760
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