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And welcome back to the

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Boundary Pointer Podcast,

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along with my partners,

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Brian Seigla and Jonathan Talley.

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I am Curtis Wilson.

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And this episode is brought

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to you by Dr. Jeremy Counts

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at the Main Street Pharmacy,

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your friendly neighborhood

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pharmacy in Blacksburg,

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301 South Main Street.

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Man, four in a row.

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Four in a row, man.

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It's like it's like all this

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for his season.

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I mean, that's the way it feels, man.

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But we're wrapping up spring ball.

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Got a great interview tonight.

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Going to talk a little portal stuff.

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We have all been busy as

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heck as is our guest tonight.

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I got to catch my breath.

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I mean,

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usually I'm like in here 20 minutes

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before we get to chill.

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Everybody roll in here about

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two minutes before we go live.

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Working, man.

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Everybody working.

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That's a good thing.

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That's what we do, man.

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That's why we're here.

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That's the time of year, man.

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We're here for the people.

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We know it's the offseason.

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But as we say, it ain't no offseason,

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baby.

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Offseason, baby.

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Ain't no offseason.

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No offseason at all.

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Well, tonight, folks,

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if you didn't get to see

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the marker and you're just joining us,

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we do have a very special

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interview with a young man

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who is hoping over the next –

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I guess five days because it's Tuesday,

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right?

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Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Saturday.

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He hears his name called for

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the NFL draft.

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He comes to us by Nansemmond

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River High School, Suffolk, Virginia.

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Number one in your hearts,

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number zero in your programs as of 2023.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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defensive tackle for Pheldarius Payne.

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Hello, how y'all doing?

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Thank y'all for having me.

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Thanks for coming on for Pheldarius.

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How you been doing?

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I've been doing good overall,

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just a lot of time

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management over these past few weeks.

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Love it, man.

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Love it.

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Love it.

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We're going to talk about that later,

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but we really appreciate

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you taking some time

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tonight to jump on with us.

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Not only to talk about

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what's coming up in your

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future here in the next few days,

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but just kind of give a

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little background story.

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on who you are, your time with the Hokies,

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you know,

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little stories ins and out like that.

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So, again,

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we really appreciate you taking

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the time tonight.

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And I'm going to kick it off with this.

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Coming out of high school,

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you went to JUCO route.

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And you went to a JUCO that

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is a powerhouse,

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Lackawanna College up in Pennsylvania.

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The two years you guys were there,

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21 and 1,

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you had some really good seasons

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collecting, you know, you know,

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sacks, tackles for loss.

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How do you feel that going

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to a JUCO helped with your

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development coming out of high school?

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I feel like JUCO really

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helped me fundamental-wise.

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Coach Duda,

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he's a very well-known coach in

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the JUCO world and in the

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football world in general.

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If I go somewhere and I say

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I was at Lackawanna under Coach Duda,

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they say, yeah, we know who that is.

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Him being the D-line coach

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and the head coach

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He started at ground one and

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was really building it up.

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And we didn't have what

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probably any division has.

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I don't even think we had a sled,

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if I'm being honest.

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But the stuff we did, it was very good.

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I believe it helped me a lot.

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Awesome.

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I love hearing that because, you know,

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it is one of those things you have to,

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you had to make a decision

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on coming out of high school.

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Cause you know,

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I couldn't tell you all your offers.

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I'm sure you had places to

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go that you could have,

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but go on that route.

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And again, like you just mentioned,

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I love hearing that

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somewhere you went somewhere like that,

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that helped fundamentally,

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obviously you learned that

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winning mentality down there.

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And it's awesome to hear that.

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Definitely, man.

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So,

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Y'all didn't introduce him quite right,

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man.

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When you introduced him,

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you're supposed to call it major pain.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Because everybody sees what

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he did when he's on the field.

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He's out there wreaking havoc.

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We talked about you in high school,

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you coming out of high school.

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Went the Juco route.

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And then I think, you know,

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most people from local

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people know who you are.

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Now you get on the big stage.

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You start getting recruiting.

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You start getting recruited.

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Commit to Nebraska.

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You go up there.

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Now, while you were being recruited,

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looks like you were

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recruited a little bit by Penn State.

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Now,

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did you ever run into Coach Prye while

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you were being recruited by

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Penn State when he was there?

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Oh, yes, I ran into him a few times,

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and I feel like we should have.

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But I'm happy it did happen when it did.

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Now, you broke up just a little bit.

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You said what happened now?

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Oh, we ran into each other a few times,

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and I feel like I should

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have played under his scheme a few times,

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and I'm happy that I did

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end up under his scheme, his play style,

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and under his philosophy.

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Well, man, I don't know about nobody else,

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but I always say it's always God timing.

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I ain't trying to push

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nothing on nobody else,

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but that's just what I say.

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And I'm glad you did not go to Penn State.

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They got some weird shit

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going on up there.

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I'm glad Coach Pryor's away from there.

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I'm glad that you came home

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where you belong.

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So God's timing, man.

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We're glad that you and

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Coach Pryor did meet and

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then finally link up with Virginia Tech.

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Yeah, so it's time to never wrong.

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That's right.

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There you go.

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That's right.

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It's true.

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During that second recruitment,

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were you ever contacted by

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Virginia Tech at that point,

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or was it more like the

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relationship with Coach

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Pryde that kind of

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ultimately led to that

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recruitment down the road?

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Really,

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I believe just talking to Coach Pryde.

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You're talking about when I

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hit the portal?

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Yeah,

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when you first were getting recruited

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by Nebraska,

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did Virginia Tech reach out

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to you during that period,

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or did you not really hear

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from Virginia Tech until

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Coach Pryde took over?

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They sent me,

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I believe it was a camp letter.

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I believe I had one letter from them,

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but I never heard anything

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physical from them or never reached out.

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I didn't take it as real

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interest or anything, so it was just...

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But I did receive like,

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I believe it was like a camp letter.

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Well, we're going to say it wasn't you.

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Uh,

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we had some weird stuff going on at

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that time.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So don't worry about it,

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but that's okay though.

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Uh,

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Next, I guess this is kind of off script.

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When we was talking earlier,

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we kind of asked you about

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some shout outs, man.

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I feel like you need to you

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need to give a shout out to

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your hairdresser, man,

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because I told you I said

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every time I see you, you know,

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I'm saying you got the

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locks coming from under the helmet.

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They always looking fresh.

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So who keep you looking like that?

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My sister, she does a pretty good job.

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of keeping me up to date.

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Even if she come up like a

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game day weekend,

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we'll probably play

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Saturday and she'll stay

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through Sunday just to give

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me a nice little retwist

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and make sure I'm A-okay.

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That's what's up.

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That's what's up.

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That is what's up.

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Yeah, man.

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She's taking good care of you.

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I like to hear that.

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You said she's kind of the

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one for the whole family too, right?

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Yes, sir.

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Yeah, she do it all.

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She's jack of all trades and

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she does everybody here.

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That's the only person she

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can't do is her own.

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I know that kind of sucks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Right.

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That's right.

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All right,

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so we're going to talk about a

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little bit of your time at

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Nebraska here real quick.

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When we look at the fan

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bases of Nebraska and Virginia Tech,

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you've got to see a little

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bit of similarity.

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They're very passionate fan bases,

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kind of both of those fan bases,

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and always good stadium noise there.

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But I want to talk a little

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bit about that 21 season

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because that seems to be a

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season that is an anomaly

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in college football because –

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That team had nine losses,

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but none of them by double digits.

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Eight of them by less than a touchdown.

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That's got to be a

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frustrating season to endure because,

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like,

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you're that close to being – you're

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taking a step there,

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and it's like you just

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can't quite get over the hump.

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Yeah, so, yeah, like,

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so beginning of the season, like,

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during camp and, like,

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even during the COVID season,

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I'm like – when we got off

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the COVID season going into next year,

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I'm like,

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this is a national championship

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team right here.

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That's what I was thinking.

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And then come the season –

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We're losing to, I think,

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like a number three Ohio

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State team by like a field goal.

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They're losing to a very

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good Ohio State team.

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Oh,

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I meant Michigan team by losing to both

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of those teams by a field

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goal or a touchdown.

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I'm like, man.

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And then we will be real

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close to Illinois the first game.

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And I'm like, oh, we got this.

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And then we end up falling off.

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And it's all awful.

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Like, it'll be like one crazy play.

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Like, we'll be having a good game.

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And next thing you know,

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Boom, kickoff.

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Kickoff return.

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Last second.

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It's like, what can we do?

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That's got to break your spirit.

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I mean,

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it says something about the makeup

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of the team that, you know,

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throughout the whole season,

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you kept keeping them close games.

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Because, like,

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at some point when they

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start stagging themselves, that's,

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you know,

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keeping the locker room together

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has got to be a big deal there.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Because you practice a lot

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between all the meetings.

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And, like, so many heartbreaking losses.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was very tough, but I'm happy that team,

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we stuck together.

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You know,

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the outside noise from fans and

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opposite teams and just the

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whole entire country can get.

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I know sometimes, like, you know,

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you were talking about the

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meetings and stuff like that.

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Like, at some point,

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there's only so much you can talk about,

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you know, getting over the hump.

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And, like,

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every week it's like you're

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hearing the same thing.

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You got to try to say it in

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a different way or keep

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that motivation in a different way.

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So I'll be a testament to

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that team and that squad

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for being able to stick it

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out and play tough, you know,

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from game one all the way

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to game 12 there.

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You should have heard the

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post-game speeches because

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you can't change up the

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post-game speech by so much.

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You're playing elite teams

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and only losing by so much.

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It's like, oh, we're this close.

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But this close,

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don't ever get the job done.

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But it was a great coaching staff,

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great players.

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But I just – I feel bad for, like,

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just the coaches because we

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put in a lot of work.

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The players put in a lot of work.

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But substitute coaches, like,

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don't get out what they put in.

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I hear that, man.

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Yeah,

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so much of it is so much – it's a ton

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of work and you guys giving

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complete effort, complete buy-in.

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And then that type of season

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happened where it's like,

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what did we do wrong?

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One fluke play,

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one weird something

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happened in multiple games.

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You know,

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one of those things I'm sure it's

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like we get outplayed

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They were better than us

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today on the field.

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Some of the things that

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happened that season in my

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life I've never seen.

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I've been watching college

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football since I was like

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eight years old.

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I've never seen a season like that.

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But I'm going to get off

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that because the right thing happened.

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God's plan happened.

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You get into the portal in 2022.

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And obviously, as you just mentioned,

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you had some connections

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with Coach Pryde during

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your JUCO recruitment at

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Lackawanna before you went to Nebraska.

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But other than coming home,

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coming back to the state of Virginia,

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what else was the sell to

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Coach Pryde at that point

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in time to get you to effectively,

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you know, commit to the Hokies,

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sign the letter and show up

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in Blacksburg in January 2022?

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It wasn't much of a pitch.

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I know what Coach Pryor's about.

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I know his scheme.

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When I found out he was running the same,

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not the same as that scheme,

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but doing what he does and

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his style of play, it wasn't much talk.

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I committed pretty early.

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It wasn't nationally known

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that I committed early,

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but it wasn't many talks

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before I told him.

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It probably was the first

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two talks I told him.

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I'll go out to Blasburg and

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see what it's like.

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I'm from Virginia, but I've never been to

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So I just told him like,

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I'll come see there,

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but I'm basically committed.

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Like, I know what you're about.

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I know how you are as a coach.

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And yeah, that's, that's basically it.

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It wasn't,

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he didn't have to sell me nothing.

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Love hearing that.

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Yeah, definitely, man.

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So, um, you know, you, you, we,

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we riding a wave, you know,

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you coming home,

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you're coming back to the

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state of Virginia.

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Um,

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Fans are excited because

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we're getting some power

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five help to come here in a

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place of need.

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You know,

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we got Mr. Payne going to be

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holding it down for us.

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And then adversity hits, you know,

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mid-July, you get injured, you know,

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a pretty, pretty gruesome injury.

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You know, you tell your Achilles.

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What helped you stay

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motivated when you did that

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at that point in your career?

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Just knowing I had a lot to prove,

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a lot to gain and,

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just really put my head down

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and work and just figure like,

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like y'all said, how we said, um,

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God never makes a mistake.

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So I'm just thinking, I did think like,

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dang, why me?

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But I wasn't, you guys,

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anybody like throughout that period,

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I was still smiling and walking around.

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Cause at the end of the day,

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he doesn't make any mistakes.

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What's meant for me is what I get.

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So that's, that's how I carried it in.

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I believe it helped me

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throughout the time.

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And,

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just knowing that I was

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going to come back for another season.

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I'm not dead.

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I'm living.

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I'm living, so it could be a lot worse.

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That's how I look at it.

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Well, man, listen,

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I'm going to tell you this.

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I'm 38 years old,

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and I was walking down the

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road and straining my Achilles,

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and I felt like I was dead.

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So if you tore yours and you

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were still smiling –

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You a bad man.

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You a bad man.

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I'm talking about,

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I'm still struggling with it.

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It's been like two and a half weeks.

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Man, that thing be tender.

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It be hard to put any weight on it.

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So, yeah, man, that's awesome, man.

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Yeah,

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injuries are crazy because they can

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really, like, it's not just the physical.

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Sometimes it's the mental piece too,

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like just keeping your spirits up,

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making sure that you're

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doing the right things in rehab,

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not rushing the rehab too much because,

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you know, mentally you're like, all right,

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I'm ready to go.

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I'm ready to go.

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I'm starting to feel better.

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I'm ready to go.

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But, like,

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making sure you're going through

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the process and making sure

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you're not missing a step

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in that process.

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So, you know,

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it's a lot of mental in there

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along with the physical.

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But, you know –

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Let's talk about that comeback, though,

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because everybody loves a good comeback,

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right?

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All right, so it's a major injury.

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It's a long rehab.

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You start the season

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probably not 100% at that point,

00:17:03.996 --> 00:17:04.478
I'm guessing,

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still kind of working

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yourself back into football shape, right?

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But then we get to Pitt.

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and we get to Marshall,

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I feel like that's when you

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really started making a big

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impact on the field again,

00:17:19.678 --> 00:17:20.318
and it looked like you

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really got your legs back.

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What was the most difficult

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part of kind of ramping

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back up after your injury,

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and at what point did you

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start feeling like yourself again?

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Really,

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that Marshall game is when I

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started feeling like myself,

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and just overall, it was just,

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I don't think it was too

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hard getting back into the game,

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because I was just so happy,

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because at the end of the day,

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I just loved this game, so I was

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It felt like a little kid

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just playing football,

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if I'm going to be honest.

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So it was nothing that was too terrible.

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Like, the worst part was coming back, like,

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doing mat drills and spring

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ball because that's when it was, like,

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early run.

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It was a crazy experience.

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But just getting used to

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this de-tackle position and,

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because I never played

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D-tackle at this level until I got here.

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So it was just getting used

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to the D-tackle.

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That was probably the

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biggest thing I had to get

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used to after coming back

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off of the injury,

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because that's like

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battling two different things.

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But I was just happy to play.

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I was just smiling,

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just getting on the bus,

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because a year ago I was ODU,

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had my feet kicked up in

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one of the old teammates' apartments.

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and just watching the game, I'm like, dang,

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we're supposed to be at the game.

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So I was just happy.

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I mean,

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I love hearing that because you

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talk about playing like a kid,

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and it impresses me even

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more to hear you talk about

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learning how to play

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D-tackle because let's be realistic here.

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Not only did you have a

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coming-out party against Pitt,

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the whole team did because –

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you could have fooled us

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that you didn't know how to

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play defensive tackle before then,

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because I mean,

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rushing the pastor shooting gaps,

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causing disruption in the backfield,

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causing tackles for loss.

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And let's look at that game,

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particularly the pit game,

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because that game,

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it changed a lot for you.

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Your rotation got heavier.

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You started playing a lot more,

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but it changed a lot for the team.

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Like that was that game where,

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I think us three sit here

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after that game and said,

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something's happened.

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Something's happened with this team.

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And it was something – did

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anything happen ahead of that game?

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Or was it just all the building blocks,

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Coach Prine,

00:19:40.887 --> 00:19:41.887
the coaching staff had been

00:19:41.968 --> 00:19:42.749
talking to y'all,

00:19:43.308 --> 00:19:44.210
and it just – it came

00:19:44.250 --> 00:19:45.509
together and came to fruition?

00:19:47.431 --> 00:19:48.050
Before that?

00:19:50.291 --> 00:19:50.893
Was it Marshall?

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Did we play Marshall the week before that?

00:19:52.814 --> 00:19:54.273
The Marshall was the week

00:19:54.294 --> 00:19:56.257
before that where –

00:19:56.257 --> 00:19:57.596
Y'all, defensively,

00:19:57.616 --> 00:19:59.198
y'all had an unbelievable game.

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And then that next week was Pitt.

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Y'all go in one and three.

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And, I mean,

00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.280
you could have fooled us that

00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:08.681
the Hokies were running three.

00:20:10.181 --> 00:20:11.301
Yeah.

00:20:11.321 --> 00:20:12.422
Yeah, that Marshall game,

00:20:12.442 --> 00:20:13.281
y'all saw how it ended.

00:20:13.321 --> 00:20:15.623
It was a very, like, tough loss.

00:20:15.663 --> 00:20:18.844
So going into that week was just more of,

00:20:18.903 --> 00:20:20.845
like, let's do what the coaches said.

00:20:21.005 --> 00:20:22.305
They always put out a layout.

00:20:22.786 --> 00:20:24.066
It was pretty good coaching.

00:20:24.675 --> 00:20:25.737
So we just followed their

00:20:25.777 --> 00:20:27.377
layout that week and really

00:20:27.417 --> 00:20:29.019
just stuck to it throughout the week,

00:20:29.578 --> 00:20:31.000
hit stuff a little bit harder.

00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:32.361
And really,

00:20:32.381 --> 00:20:34.102
it was really just following

00:20:34.122 --> 00:20:35.522
the coach's lead and doing

00:20:35.563 --> 00:20:36.703
what we were supposed to do

00:20:37.044 --> 00:20:37.724
from the jump.

00:20:38.065 --> 00:20:39.546
Because I believe that game,

00:20:39.566 --> 00:20:41.826
I think the running game,

00:20:41.846 --> 00:20:44.288
they had around 200 yards rushing,

00:20:44.348 --> 00:20:44.788
I believe.

00:20:45.390 --> 00:20:47.490
It was something amazing.

00:20:47.770 --> 00:20:48.592
And then the defense,

00:20:48.612 --> 00:20:50.153
we were just playing all 11

00:20:50.153 --> 00:20:51.733
hats to the ball, just flying around.

00:20:52.150 --> 00:20:53.070
And you could just feel the

00:20:53.090 --> 00:20:55.334
energy on the sideline before the game.

00:20:55.855 --> 00:20:58.417
You could just feel like we're here,

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we're coming.

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Man, I love hearing that.

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Yeah, go ahead, Curtis.

00:21:03.544 --> 00:21:05.246
I was just saying, I love hearing that,

00:21:05.306 --> 00:21:07.008
that it was just like after

00:21:07.048 --> 00:21:07.989
that Marshall loss,

00:21:09.065 --> 00:21:10.227
It wasn't a, man,

00:21:10.267 --> 00:21:11.188
how did we lose that game?

00:21:11.228 --> 00:21:13.109
We played good, but when we lost that game,

00:21:13.191 --> 00:21:14.952
it was, no, we're going to hit it harder.

00:21:15.032 --> 00:21:15.713
We're going to go harder.

00:21:15.733 --> 00:21:16.634
We're going to focus on what

00:21:16.674 --> 00:21:18.758
our coaches are telling us.

00:21:18.817 --> 00:21:19.157
Curtis,

00:21:19.198 --> 00:21:20.160
you know what I like most about

00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:20.599
that game?

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What do you like most about that game?

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I like that 38 rushing yards

00:21:24.244 --> 00:21:24.945
total for Pitt.

00:21:25.006 --> 00:21:26.488
That's what I like about that game.

00:21:27.689 --> 00:21:29.111
Well, the man,

00:21:29.211 --> 00:21:30.412
the major pain on here with

00:21:30.471 --> 00:21:32.413
us was the guy getting that backfield.

00:21:32.453 --> 00:21:33.836
All right.

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Before we get to the road to the draft,

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I got to ask a question because I came up,

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I watched you in the military bowl.

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I was soaked.

00:21:41.923 --> 00:21:43.005
I had a great time,

00:21:43.885 --> 00:21:45.989
but we all know about the gift bag.

00:21:46.048 --> 00:21:47.069
We all know y'all get the,

00:21:47.609 --> 00:21:48.570
what was the coolest thing

00:21:48.631 --> 00:21:49.952
at the military bowl y'all got?

00:21:54.384 --> 00:21:55.786
It might be between – we got

00:21:55.826 --> 00:21:57.267
this jacket on Christmas,

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and it was like a black and

00:21:59.407 --> 00:22:01.749
gray camouflage jacket with VT.

00:22:01.769 --> 00:22:03.190
It's probably one of the

00:22:03.269 --> 00:22:04.670
best – probably the best

00:22:04.730 --> 00:22:05.651
thing I've had my whole

00:22:05.691 --> 00:22:08.451
entire college career, like gear-wise.

00:22:09.153 --> 00:22:10.292
And just me,

00:22:10.854 --> 00:22:13.015
the Air Force Ones was just –

00:22:13.015 --> 00:22:13.914
you can't beat the Air

00:22:13.934 --> 00:22:15.316
Force Ones when you just

00:22:15.355 --> 00:22:16.876
get those for playing

00:22:16.916 --> 00:22:18.136
football at the end of the day.

00:22:18.617 --> 00:22:19.657
Like, it's a reward,

00:22:19.738 --> 00:22:21.398
but it was nice seeing those.

00:22:21.836 --> 00:22:23.277
Man, so I got kids, man.

00:22:23.317 --> 00:22:25.218
I got an 18-year-old and a 14-year-old,

00:22:25.278 --> 00:22:27.459
and when they get the Air Force, like,

00:22:27.598 --> 00:22:28.298
when we got shoes,

00:22:28.338 --> 00:22:29.779
we just put them on and walk.

00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:31.339
Do you walk funny so you

00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:32.161
don't crease yours?

00:22:32.280 --> 00:22:34.020
Yeah, no, the whole entire time,

00:22:34.040 --> 00:22:36.201
because we did multiple events in them,

00:22:36.662 --> 00:22:37.761
and I remember we was going

00:22:37.781 --> 00:22:40.022
to the bowling alley, and I was like,

00:22:40.042 --> 00:22:42.044
because we got off the bus, and I'm like,

00:22:42.064 --> 00:22:43.084
the third or fourth bus,

00:22:43.104 --> 00:22:44.244
and we had to walk down,

00:22:44.345 --> 00:22:45.525
and there was some dirt beside,

00:22:45.545 --> 00:22:46.025
and I'm like,

00:22:46.424 --> 00:22:48.306
I got to walk this certain type of way.

00:22:48.326 --> 00:22:48.925
I usually put, like,

00:22:51.743 --> 00:22:53.086
I don't do this to my Air Force Ones,

00:22:53.125 --> 00:22:53.967
but I usually put like

00:22:54.186 --> 00:22:55.970
these crease enforcers so

00:22:55.990 --> 00:22:57.050
that my two don't crease.

00:22:57.872 --> 00:22:59.253
But it was just,

00:22:59.755 --> 00:23:00.796
it was weird walking in there.

00:23:01.196 --> 00:23:02.057
That's what I was about to say,

00:23:02.077 --> 00:23:02.898
because usually y'all got

00:23:02.939 --> 00:23:03.820
the crease enforcers.

00:23:04.201 --> 00:23:05.542
But if you got them while you was there,

00:23:05.563 --> 00:23:06.564
I'm like, did you have them?

00:23:06.624 --> 00:23:07.025
How did you?

00:23:07.451 --> 00:23:08.333
How did you manage when

00:23:08.373 --> 00:23:09.053
you're out here walking

00:23:09.093 --> 00:23:10.114
around in this dirt and

00:23:10.714 --> 00:23:12.036
grime and all of this stuff?

00:23:12.076 --> 00:23:12.796
You know what I'm saying?

00:23:12.836 --> 00:23:14.477
So, yeah, that's a big deal.

00:23:14.678 --> 00:23:15.778
All of the listeners, man,

00:23:15.817 --> 00:23:16.638
if you don't know about,

00:23:16.999 --> 00:23:19.060
do your homework on having

00:23:19.141 --> 00:23:20.622
Air Force Ones and getting them dirty,

00:23:20.961 --> 00:23:21.423
increased.

00:23:21.843 --> 00:23:22.804
Do your homework on that.

00:23:23.384 --> 00:23:24.704
After that, they're basically done.

00:23:25.246 --> 00:23:25.945
It's over with.

00:23:26.365 --> 00:23:26.826
It's over with.

00:23:26.846 --> 00:23:28.087
You get a crease in Air Force One.

00:23:28.468 --> 00:23:29.388
It ain't nothing to them,

00:23:29.429 --> 00:23:31.430
but a clean white shoe,

00:23:31.911 --> 00:23:33.011
if you get a crease in them,

00:23:33.808 --> 00:23:35.049
You got to go buy a new pair.

00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:38.153
So, hey, if y'all don't know what F4 is,

00:23:38.673 --> 00:23:40.074
y'all need to contact Mr. Payne.

00:23:40.094 --> 00:23:40.634
He's going to tell you how

00:23:40.654 --> 00:23:41.996
to keep them clean and not creasing.

00:23:42.016 --> 00:23:42.375
There we go.

00:23:42.395 --> 00:23:43.196
All right,

00:23:43.217 --> 00:23:44.217
we're going to switch gears a little bit.

00:23:44.237 --> 00:23:45.638
We can't have no dirty forces, man.

00:23:45.679 --> 00:23:46.960
You can't have no dirty forces, man.

00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.019
No creases, no dirty.

00:23:48.101 --> 00:23:48.580
Okay, got it.

00:23:48.601 --> 00:23:50.162
Dirty forces is a big no-no.

00:23:50.201 --> 00:23:50.321
So,

00:23:50.362 --> 00:23:52.124
we're going to shift gears a little bit,

00:23:52.144 --> 00:23:52.203
man.

00:23:52.223 --> 00:23:52.923
We're going to talk about

00:23:53.305 --> 00:23:54.346
some important stuff.

00:23:54.365 --> 00:23:54.486
So...

00:23:55.612 --> 00:23:56.612
We had a little bit of a

00:23:57.071 --> 00:23:59.432
postponement in getting to

00:23:59.472 --> 00:24:00.613
meet you and talk with you,

00:24:01.212 --> 00:24:03.973
which is awesome because, you know,

00:24:03.993 --> 00:24:05.594
Travis informed us that you

00:24:05.634 --> 00:24:08.055
had some business to go to because,

00:24:08.095 --> 00:24:08.394
I mean,

00:24:08.755 --> 00:24:09.996
we're just some old guys sitting

00:24:10.076 --> 00:24:11.476
at home going to work every day.

00:24:11.496 --> 00:24:13.056
Hey, you're a young man.

00:24:13.096 --> 00:24:13.916
You're getting ready for one

00:24:13.936 --> 00:24:15.537
of the biggest things in your life, man.

00:24:15.557 --> 00:24:16.997
You're getting ready for the NFL draft.

00:24:17.037 --> 00:24:19.538
So congratulations, number one.

00:24:20.462 --> 00:24:22.684
We were told that you were out, you know,

00:24:22.724 --> 00:24:23.486
doing some visits.

00:24:23.546 --> 00:24:25.307
So how did that go,

00:24:25.707 --> 00:24:27.288
if you don't mind us asking?

00:24:27.368 --> 00:24:28.369
I really enjoyed the

00:24:28.430 --> 00:24:30.270
experience and seeing

00:24:30.351 --> 00:24:32.373
different things in different cities.

00:24:32.992 --> 00:24:35.494
And just overall, it was fun.

00:24:35.595 --> 00:24:37.237
And I know one of the things,

00:24:37.257 --> 00:24:38.778
I had to wake up, like, super early.

00:24:38.837 --> 00:24:41.779
But overall, like, I can't complain.

00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:42.601
I'm blessed.

00:24:42.840 --> 00:24:45.403
Like, just waking up.

00:24:45.867 --> 00:24:48.288
at 5.30, but I'm still at this NFL team.

00:24:48.308 --> 00:24:50.189
A lot of people, even in this process,

00:24:50.209 --> 00:24:50.969
don't get to do that,

00:24:51.048 --> 00:24:52.869
so it was just an amazing

00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:54.609
experience to see how some

00:24:55.151 --> 00:24:57.651
of the other NFL players live.

00:24:58.230 --> 00:24:59.951
Got to sit in one of the NFL

00:25:00.711 --> 00:25:02.853
D-line meetings, and I, like,

00:25:03.492 --> 00:25:05.232
met some good D-line, and I was like,

00:25:05.874 --> 00:25:08.713
yeah, I could live this lifestyle,

00:25:08.733 --> 00:25:10.474
get used to watching this film,

00:25:10.515 --> 00:25:12.035
breaking it down with these guys,

00:25:12.454 --> 00:25:14.195
talking this different type of language,

00:25:14.375 --> 00:25:14.455
and

00:25:15.236 --> 00:25:16.517
Just enjoyed the experience.

00:25:17.557 --> 00:25:19.377
Yeah, we saw some tweets out there.

00:25:19.417 --> 00:25:20.239
Was the Giants one of the

00:25:20.259 --> 00:25:21.078
stops you made there?

00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:22.339
Yes, sir, yeah.

00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:23.099
I was yes, sir, yeah.

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:24.121
I enjoyed the Giants.

00:25:24.201 --> 00:25:26.301
It was a good facility, good people.

00:25:26.321 --> 00:25:29.284
Yeah, it was nice.

00:25:29.324 --> 00:25:30.584
The food was good up there.

00:25:30.604 --> 00:25:31.525
There we go.

00:25:32.204 --> 00:25:32.484
Nice.

00:25:32.605 --> 00:25:34.486
Yeah, the food was real good.

00:25:34.605 --> 00:25:35.586
Like I told you, man,

00:25:35.646 --> 00:25:36.688
it's too cold up there.

00:25:36.728 --> 00:25:37.867
You ain't trying to go up north.

00:25:39.528 --> 00:25:39.808
Hey,

00:25:40.549 --> 00:25:41.990
I told you where you need to be if

00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:43.050
that's what happens.

00:25:44.286 --> 00:25:45.066
I'm going to be happy.

00:25:45.086 --> 00:25:46.326
I'm going to buy a jersey.

00:25:46.366 --> 00:25:47.748
That's all I'm going to say.

00:25:47.768 --> 00:25:49.769
There you go.

00:25:49.808 --> 00:25:50.950
Let's take it to the pro day

00:25:50.990 --> 00:25:52.470
because that was a big day for you too,

00:25:52.529 --> 00:25:52.830
right?

00:25:52.891 --> 00:25:53.371
So, like,

00:25:54.551 --> 00:25:56.392
we had you – they had you clocked

00:25:56.432 --> 00:26:00.474
at a 4.85, 40, 1.65, 10-yard split.

00:26:00.755 --> 00:26:02.655
Great numbers across the board for you.

00:26:03.155 --> 00:26:03.476
Hold on.

00:26:03.816 --> 00:26:07.377
By the way, both of those were second.

00:26:07.739 --> 00:26:07.919
Like,

00:26:08.159 --> 00:26:09.159
looking at the guys that went to the

00:26:09.199 --> 00:26:09.740
combine,

00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:12.141
your split and your 40 were second.

00:26:13.358 --> 00:26:14.700
amongst all those guys who went there.

00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:15.779
That's crazy.

00:26:15.859 --> 00:26:17.800
Dude, you were balling that day.

00:26:17.820 --> 00:26:18.641
That's crazy.

00:26:18.901 --> 00:26:19.461
Sorry, Brian.

00:26:19.501 --> 00:26:20.281
I'm sorry.

00:26:20.321 --> 00:26:20.642
You're good.

00:26:20.981 --> 00:26:21.782
You're good.

00:26:21.863 --> 00:26:22.282
I like that.

00:26:22.363 --> 00:26:24.544
Add a little bit of extra color there.

00:26:24.564 --> 00:26:25.044
I like that.

00:26:25.924 --> 00:26:27.904
But when they saw the numbers, like,

00:26:28.025 --> 00:26:29.826
I looked up the combine, and I'm like,

00:26:29.846 --> 00:26:32.106
dude, when I saw that 165, I'm like,

00:26:32.688 --> 00:26:34.728
that's elite for defensive tackles.

00:26:34.788 --> 00:26:35.909
Like, that's elite.

00:26:35.929 --> 00:26:36.229
Yeah.

00:26:36.348 --> 00:26:38.903
And I looked it up, and it was just like –

00:26:38.903 --> 00:26:39.743
Damn, that was really – sorry,

00:26:39.983 --> 00:26:41.805
I was – Brian, go ahead.

00:26:41.825 --> 00:26:42.244
I'm sorry, y'all.

00:26:42.265 --> 00:26:42.585
You're good.

00:26:42.625 --> 00:26:43.005
You're good.

00:26:43.045 --> 00:26:43.286
You're good.

00:26:43.346 --> 00:26:44.026
I appreciate you.

00:26:44.066 --> 00:26:44.807
You had that in there.

00:26:45.227 --> 00:26:46.287
But I think, you know,

00:26:46.307 --> 00:26:48.008
just looking at that, like,

00:26:48.087 --> 00:26:49.568
so just wonder where you've

00:26:49.588 --> 00:26:50.930
been working out and who

00:26:50.950 --> 00:26:51.650
you've been working out

00:26:51.711 --> 00:26:53.632
with during this pre-draft process.

00:26:54.612 --> 00:26:55.853
I'm working at a prolific

00:26:55.932 --> 00:26:57.453
park out in Greensboro.

00:26:57.473 --> 00:26:59.234
I don't know if you know Ricky Proel.

00:26:59.815 --> 00:27:01.875
He's a player.

00:27:02.396 --> 00:27:03.517
That's his facility.

00:27:05.278 --> 00:27:07.960
But it's gotten to go by Chris Kennedy.

00:27:08.529 --> 00:27:11.673
He was my trainer there, big speed guy.

00:27:12.413 --> 00:27:15.076
So it was – he helped quality work.

00:27:15.737 --> 00:27:22.123
And he helped a lot because

00:27:22.864 --> 00:27:23.845
I ain't never run track.

00:27:23.865 --> 00:27:26.366
You know, I barely run 40 yards.

00:27:26.448 --> 00:27:28.490
So, yes, he helped.

00:27:28.990 --> 00:27:29.590
He helped a lot.

00:27:31.442 --> 00:27:32.864
It's kind of wild, like, you know,

00:27:32.884 --> 00:27:33.664
getting with those speed

00:27:33.704 --> 00:27:35.767
guys and kind of getting that.

00:27:35.826 --> 00:27:37.167
What's the difference in, like,

00:27:37.307 --> 00:27:40.611
preparing for that type of workout versus,

00:27:40.691 --> 00:27:41.010
like,

00:27:41.332 --> 00:27:42.633
something you would do in the spring?

00:27:44.534 --> 00:27:46.935
A lot more stretching because, overall,

00:27:47.936 --> 00:27:48.978
I play D-line.

00:27:49.278 --> 00:27:51.941
I'm not – we're not running too far,

00:27:52.060 --> 00:27:53.582
too fast.

00:27:53.622 --> 00:27:56.463
A lot of short distance, quick bursts.

00:27:57.515 --> 00:28:00.135
So just 40 yards is pretty

00:28:00.175 --> 00:28:01.277
far for a D lineman.

00:28:01.317 --> 00:28:02.277
So just overall,

00:28:02.336 --> 00:28:03.897
just turning the switch on.

00:28:03.938 --> 00:28:04.897
Then I have to run a little

00:28:04.917 --> 00:28:06.999
bit longer in different

00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:09.299
type of lead cycles and

00:28:09.380 --> 00:28:10.759
different type of stride lift.

00:28:10.819 --> 00:28:12.560
It's just overall just different.

00:28:12.621 --> 00:28:14.541
But the lifting part was about the same.

00:28:15.261 --> 00:28:16.422
So we did more.

00:28:17.303 --> 00:28:19.022
We didn't do as much heavy lifting.

00:28:19.042 --> 00:28:20.304
We did different types of lifting.

00:28:23.213 --> 00:28:23.513
Nice.

00:28:23.713 --> 00:28:24.035
And again,

00:28:24.055 --> 00:28:25.715
that was prolific park down in

00:28:25.776 --> 00:28:26.497
Greensboro.

00:28:27.317 --> 00:28:27.457
Um,

00:28:27.958 --> 00:28:29.459
obviously we got listeners down in that

00:28:29.578 --> 00:28:29.878
area.

00:28:29.939 --> 00:28:32.260
So if you got a kid or I'm

00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:33.561
assuming they do a lot of the, Oh,

00:28:34.262 --> 00:28:35.042
there's Chris Lester.

00:28:35.723 --> 00:28:35.844
Um,

00:28:36.993 --> 00:28:38.375
definitely check them out there.

00:28:38.954 --> 00:28:39.775
Um, you, we,

00:28:39.815 --> 00:28:41.435
we just mentioned a few minutes ago, um,

00:28:42.415 --> 00:28:42.615
you know,

00:28:42.655 --> 00:28:44.217
you had your visit with the giants.

00:28:44.998 --> 00:28:46.698
Um, obviously that was, that was very,

00:28:46.738 --> 00:28:49.098
very, uh, that was very, very public.

00:28:49.239 --> 00:28:51.299
We should say, cause you put your name in,

00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.362
that was like Yahoo, big hit, boom.

00:28:54.442 --> 00:28:55.442
He went and saw the giants.

00:28:55.961 --> 00:28:57.623
So if you're allowed to say,

00:28:58.323 --> 00:28:59.263
what other teams have you

00:28:59.284 --> 00:29:00.263
been in contact with?

00:29:00.284 --> 00:29:01.605
Where else have you went and visited?

00:29:01.805 --> 00:29:01.904
Um,

00:29:03.032 --> 00:29:05.194
I mean, we know Tally's a Titans fan.

00:29:05.214 --> 00:29:06.134
I'm a Niners fan.

00:29:06.174 --> 00:29:07.476
Siegel over here is a Colts fan.

00:29:07.516 --> 00:29:09.176
I mean, we just, you know, just wondering.

00:29:09.857 --> 00:29:09.978
Well,

00:29:10.018 --> 00:29:11.258
I'll tell you the only team I haven't

00:29:11.278 --> 00:29:12.519
talked to is the Colts.

00:29:12.699 --> 00:29:15.361
But I've talked to – Come on,

00:29:15.401 --> 00:29:16.021
Chris Ballard.

00:29:16.821 --> 00:29:17.321
Get with it, man.

00:29:17.342 --> 00:29:19.002
I've talked to a good amount of teams,

00:29:19.063 --> 00:29:19.223
though.

00:29:19.284 --> 00:29:21.265
I probably – it could be

00:29:21.305 --> 00:29:22.786
anywhere from like 15 to

00:29:22.826 --> 00:29:23.987
like 20-something.

00:29:24.487 --> 00:29:26.167
Before, like I told you all today,

00:29:26.188 --> 00:29:27.009
I hopped on the phone with

00:29:27.148 --> 00:29:28.609
six or five different teams.

00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:31.070
So it's been – and the day

00:29:31.131 --> 00:29:32.996
before I hopped on –

00:29:32.996 --> 00:29:35.258
I believe the same amount, five to six.

00:29:35.337 --> 00:29:38.721
So every day it's a different number.

00:29:38.760 --> 00:29:40.522
So I honestly lost count of

00:29:40.542 --> 00:29:41.844
how many teams I've talked to,

00:29:41.864 --> 00:29:43.986
but I've been blessed and

00:29:44.807 --> 00:29:46.067
got good contact with a lot

00:29:46.087 --> 00:29:46.949
of different coaches,

00:29:46.969 --> 00:29:47.869
a lot of different notes

00:29:47.910 --> 00:29:49.570
I've picked up and what can

00:29:49.590 --> 00:29:51.053
help me succeed at the next level.

00:29:51.093 --> 00:29:51.653
So I'm just,

00:29:51.953 --> 00:29:52.534
I'm grateful for the

00:29:52.554 --> 00:29:53.595
opportunity to be able to

00:29:53.615 --> 00:29:54.455
talk to those guys.

00:29:57.215 --> 00:29:58.316
Yeah, that's what's up, man.

00:29:58.336 --> 00:30:01.656
So we definitely are

00:30:01.797 --> 00:30:02.897
tracking what you're doing,

00:30:04.117 --> 00:30:05.239
tracking your career like

00:30:05.358 --> 00:30:06.919
I'm sure all the Hokie Nation will be.

00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.920
Man, we got to give a, you know, again,

00:30:10.940 --> 00:30:13.361
got to give a huge shout out to, you know,

00:30:13.401 --> 00:30:14.902
not just not just you,

00:30:14.942 --> 00:30:16.021
but your whole defensive

00:30:16.642 --> 00:30:18.982
defensive line and defense for the year,

00:30:19.022 --> 00:30:19.262
man.

00:30:19.282 --> 00:30:20.242
Y'all could have packed it up.

00:30:20.403 --> 00:30:21.124
You know what I'm saying?

00:30:21.503 --> 00:30:22.104
Like we was in.

00:30:22.813 --> 00:30:24.433
You lose that tough game to Rutgers.

00:30:24.733 --> 00:30:25.013
I mean,

00:30:25.054 --> 00:30:26.174
I think we might have gave up like

00:30:26.174 --> 00:30:27.576
16 passing yards.

00:30:27.675 --> 00:30:28.276
I'm stupid.

00:30:28.856 --> 00:30:30.538
You know, we lose this game to Marshall.

00:30:30.557 --> 00:30:32.398
We already talked about, you know,

00:30:32.419 --> 00:30:34.259
we were all there at the Purdue game.

00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:35.520
We know how that went going

00:30:35.560 --> 00:30:37.201
into a flood and tornadoes

00:30:37.281 --> 00:30:38.603
and whatever happened.

00:30:39.144 --> 00:30:40.304
Like, bro,

00:30:40.444 --> 00:30:41.644
it got weird during the

00:30:41.664 --> 00:30:42.684
beginning of the season.

00:30:43.425 --> 00:30:46.487
And it seems like guys like yourself,

00:30:46.707 --> 00:30:47.027
you know,

00:30:47.227 --> 00:30:49.407
senior leaders on the team held

00:30:49.428 --> 00:30:50.127
the team down,

00:30:50.188 --> 00:30:52.108
got everybody focused and

00:30:53.009 --> 00:30:54.130
got us back on track.

00:30:54.190 --> 00:30:56.550
So us being tech fans, man,

00:30:56.590 --> 00:30:59.092
like we really appreciate that.

00:31:00.013 --> 00:31:02.074
your contribution to Virginia Tech,

00:31:02.454 --> 00:31:03.154
what you've done.

00:31:03.595 --> 00:31:05.075
I mean, for real, for real,

00:31:05.335 --> 00:31:06.536
I think we'll look back at

00:31:06.816 --> 00:31:08.776
last season and say that

00:31:08.816 --> 00:31:11.037
was the turning point in the program.

00:31:11.717 --> 00:31:12.856
I think that was a big

00:31:14.257 --> 00:31:15.438
emphasis on this year just

00:31:15.478 --> 00:31:17.637
to get Virginia Tech back

00:31:17.718 --> 00:31:19.818
to where Virginia Tech's supposed to be.

00:31:20.338 --> 00:31:21.398
I'm excited for this year,

00:31:21.419 --> 00:31:22.999
especially with that 12-team playoff.

00:31:23.098 --> 00:31:25.539
I'm very excited for them boys.

00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.161
I think they're going to do very good.

00:31:28.580 --> 00:31:29.121
I got a high

00:31:30.167 --> 00:31:31.189
high hope for this team.

00:31:33.510 --> 00:31:34.711
I like what we got coming in.

00:31:34.750 --> 00:31:36.452
I like what everybody coming back.

00:31:36.492 --> 00:31:37.614
I mean, that's, that's, you know,

00:31:37.634 --> 00:31:38.534
those two pieces,

00:31:38.554 --> 00:31:40.154
I think I've been really big and,

00:31:40.675 --> 00:31:42.297
you know, I, we, like, like Tally said,

00:31:42.317 --> 00:31:43.397
we appreciate you laying

00:31:43.438 --> 00:31:46.099
that groundwork and being a

00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.422
big part of the turnaround because,

00:31:48.461 --> 00:31:48.682
you know,

00:31:49.442 --> 00:31:52.865
You saw how it went with Nebraska at 21.

00:31:53.484 --> 00:31:55.685
It's easy to run off games

00:31:55.767 --> 00:31:57.807
and lose ones that you feel

00:31:57.827 --> 00:31:58.587
like you should have won or

00:31:58.607 --> 00:31:59.308
could have won.

00:31:59.989 --> 00:32:01.710
I appreciate y'all really

00:32:02.351 --> 00:32:03.592
sticking with it and

00:32:04.051 --> 00:32:06.334
playing together and really

00:32:06.354 --> 00:32:07.374
getting Virginia Tech back

00:32:07.413 --> 00:32:08.115
on the map here.

00:32:08.474 --> 00:32:09.516
We really appreciate that.

00:32:10.296 --> 00:32:12.498
I'm happy to be a part of Hokie Nation.

00:32:12.577 --> 00:32:13.458
I'm just excited that

00:32:13.498 --> 00:32:15.680
everybody was welcoming and

00:32:15.740 --> 00:32:16.760
were open in arms.

00:32:16.921 --> 00:32:18.662
I'm just happy to be back home.

00:32:19.587 --> 00:32:21.128
Just really enjoyed it.

00:32:21.888 --> 00:32:22.930
It was great to be a part of

00:32:22.970 --> 00:32:25.230
Hokie Nation and be in Blatsburg,

00:32:25.270 --> 00:32:27.692
Virginia, and wearing that Virginia tat.

00:32:29.653 --> 00:32:30.554
And it's true, man.

00:32:30.653 --> 00:32:31.894
And Brian said something

00:32:31.913 --> 00:32:32.755
here just a second ago

00:32:32.795 --> 00:32:34.015
about laying the foundation.

00:32:34.816 --> 00:32:38.198
I think what you had to go through in 2022,

00:32:38.198 --> 00:32:39.897
and I think you probably

00:32:39.938 --> 00:32:41.398
laid something for the guys

00:32:41.439 --> 00:32:42.180
in that room because you

00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:43.599
were one of the older guys in that room.

00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:44.780
You were one of those leaders.

00:32:44.901 --> 00:32:47.582
And that whole thing of at

00:32:47.622 --> 00:32:48.603
Nebraska we lost.

00:32:49.945 --> 00:32:50.527
I got hurt.

00:32:50.886 --> 00:32:51.606
I kept working.

00:32:51.646 --> 00:32:52.567
I kept coming back.

00:32:52.949 --> 00:32:54.210
And now it's like,

00:32:54.269 --> 00:32:55.631
look where we were last year.

00:32:55.830 --> 00:32:57.833
Look where we are this year in yourself,

00:32:58.712 --> 00:33:01.336
you know, going into 2023, you know,

00:33:01.736 --> 00:33:02.797
there is a plan out there

00:33:02.817 --> 00:33:03.577
and we know that,

00:33:04.458 --> 00:33:06.059
but we're all human beings.

00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:07.161
We all can question things

00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:08.842
because why did I tear my Achilles?

00:33:09.001 --> 00:33:09.281
You know,

00:33:09.522 --> 00:33:10.763
now I got to come back and then

00:33:10.804 --> 00:33:13.105
doing what you did, you know,

00:33:14.115 --> 00:33:15.215
Roughly eight months later,

00:33:15.276 --> 00:33:16.176
you're sitting here.

00:33:16.436 --> 00:33:18.096
You're being contacted by NFL teams.

00:33:18.116 --> 00:33:19.097
They're flying you in.

00:33:19.137 --> 00:33:19.877
You're sitting in.

00:33:20.458 --> 00:33:22.479
And it's unbelievable, man, to see that.

00:33:22.558 --> 00:33:24.519
And, you know,

00:33:24.539 --> 00:33:26.099
we wish nothing but the best for you.

00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:27.980
We wish you blessings.

00:33:28.540 --> 00:33:30.101
But we got one more question to ask you.

00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:30.662
Hold on.

00:33:30.682 --> 00:33:32.741
Before you go to that question, though,

00:33:32.761 --> 00:33:34.202
Curtis, I got to say this.

00:33:34.722 --> 00:33:35.002
Say it.

00:33:35.202 --> 00:33:36.663
Because we had last year.

00:33:37.124 --> 00:33:37.824
Was it last year?

00:33:38.304 --> 00:33:41.204
Yeah, last year we had Conor on here.

00:33:41.265 --> 00:33:43.645
We had Shamari on before the draft.

00:33:44.598 --> 00:33:45.559
And then look what happened.

00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.941
He gets drafted by the Chiefs.

00:33:48.461 --> 00:33:48.981
Get him a ring.

00:33:49.442 --> 00:33:50.222
Get him a ring.

00:33:50.323 --> 00:33:51.163
Get him some starts.

00:33:51.324 --> 00:33:51.963
I'm just saying.

00:33:52.424 --> 00:33:57.607
I ain't saying that BCP is the magic touch,

00:33:57.688 --> 00:33:59.230
but we already know what's

00:33:59.269 --> 00:33:59.789
going to happen.

00:33:59.950 --> 00:34:00.931
Everybody who's listening

00:34:01.290 --> 00:34:02.432
already know what's going to happen.

00:34:02.892 --> 00:34:04.432
So all I'm saying is when

00:34:04.452 --> 00:34:05.773
you get rich and famous, man,

00:34:06.275 --> 00:34:06.954
just come back.

00:34:07.174 --> 00:34:07.935
That's all we ask.

00:34:08.556 --> 00:34:09.856
Come back to the spring game

00:34:09.896 --> 00:34:10.818
and just sit down with us.

00:34:10.838 --> 00:34:11.639
That's all we ask.

00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:13.340
I ain't got time to come back.

00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:14.510
Yes, sir.

00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:15.210
Go ahead, Curtis.

00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:16.371
All right, Brian,

00:34:16.391 --> 00:34:17.351
this is Brian's question

00:34:17.371 --> 00:34:18.572
because he thought of this years ago.

00:34:18.592 --> 00:34:19.751
If every coach,

00:34:20.532 --> 00:34:22.311
every player that's ever come on with us,

00:34:22.331 --> 00:34:23.652
we have these couple questions.

00:34:23.913 --> 00:34:25.393
Current, former, and otherwise.

00:34:25.733 --> 00:34:26.253
Exactly.

00:34:27.253 --> 00:34:27.492
All right,

00:34:27.512 --> 00:34:29.114
you got to give me one go-to

00:34:29.193 --> 00:34:31.634
spot for food in Blacksburg

00:34:31.653 --> 00:34:32.853
that everybody knows about,

00:34:33.554 --> 00:34:35.094
and then give me your dark horse,

00:34:35.635 --> 00:34:37.914
the spot that you go to all

00:34:37.934 --> 00:34:39.295
the time but everybody else sleeps on.

00:34:40.835 --> 00:34:42.815
So the go-to, I'm a big sweet guy.

00:34:42.876 --> 00:34:43.215
I've been...

00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:44.539
Oh, yep.

00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:45.800
Do y'all know about Boardwalk?

00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:46.800
That might be a sleeper.

00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:47.481
I don't know.

00:34:48.981 --> 00:34:49.922
Boardwalk.

00:34:49.983 --> 00:34:52.344
I don't know nothing about it.

00:34:52.563 --> 00:34:53.764
Boardwalk might be a sleeper.

00:34:54.045 --> 00:34:54.965
Boardwalk might be a sleeper.

00:34:55.025 --> 00:34:55.885
On my part, dude.

00:34:56.425 --> 00:34:57.186
No, no, no.

00:34:58.206 --> 00:35:00.047
I got to put that as my sleeper.

00:35:00.146 --> 00:35:01.168
It might be a sleeper for us.

00:35:01.208 --> 00:35:02.027
It might not be a sleeper

00:35:02.047 --> 00:35:03.989
for folks on campus right now,

00:35:04.009 --> 00:35:05.409
but it's a sleeper for us old folks.

00:35:05.869 --> 00:35:06.429
Oh, man.

00:35:06.829 --> 00:35:07.971
Boardwalk BT.

00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:09.592
Yeah, I shop on that too.

00:35:09.652 --> 00:35:10.271
That's a good...

00:35:11.045 --> 00:35:12.465
I actually got the fried

00:35:12.545 --> 00:35:14.106
Oreos after me and two

00:35:14.166 --> 00:35:15.646
other of my buddies, Matt and Nate,

00:35:15.965 --> 00:35:17.106
our pitcher up there in there.

00:35:17.126 --> 00:35:18.487
All right.

00:35:18.786 --> 00:35:20.407
We went there all, like,

00:35:20.427 --> 00:35:21.266
throughout the camp.

00:35:21.688 --> 00:35:23.007
Like, when we had them off days,

00:35:23.608 --> 00:35:24.447
we had to make sure it was

00:35:24.527 --> 00:35:25.809
before the off day because

00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:27.289
when we came back, it was crazy.

00:35:27.648 --> 00:35:29.989
But it was on the off day during, like,

00:35:30.028 --> 00:35:30.789
so say we had, like,

00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:32.130
a good training week of camp.

00:35:34.244 --> 00:35:35.744
We would go there and get

00:35:35.764 --> 00:35:36.764
some fried Oreos.

00:35:36.784 --> 00:35:37.704
It was, like, a must.

00:35:37.764 --> 00:35:39.284
Like, nice weather.

00:35:39.625 --> 00:35:40.565
The students wasn't back.

00:35:40.585 --> 00:35:41.945
You know how Blasberg is.

00:35:41.965 --> 00:35:42.846
The students not back.

00:35:42.925 --> 00:35:44.925
So we was out there all day.

00:35:45.346 --> 00:35:47.507
But that's my sleeper pick, I guess.

00:35:49.706 --> 00:35:50.467
All right.

00:35:50.786 --> 00:35:52.228
And then I had another sleeper pick.

00:35:52.447 --> 00:35:53.588
Oh, we got two sleepers here.

00:35:53.628 --> 00:35:53.907
Hold on.

00:35:56.027 --> 00:35:58.028
Yeah, I was vegetarian for a while.

00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:00.608
So it was this one burger.

00:36:01.449 --> 00:36:02.690
What's the place beside PK's?

00:36:04.081 --> 00:36:07.063
Oh, hang on.

00:36:07.643 --> 00:36:08.123
Hold on.

00:36:09.402 --> 00:36:11.003
They make their bread in-house?

00:36:13.943 --> 00:36:17.143
Oh, this man is serious.

00:36:17.284 --> 00:36:18.684
This man that said he came up here,

00:36:18.724 --> 00:36:20.344
he was eating vegan burgers

00:36:20.824 --> 00:36:24.806
with fresh made bread and fried donuts.

00:36:25.085 --> 00:36:26.085
We've been asking the wrong

00:36:26.126 --> 00:36:26.945
people about food.

00:36:27.706 --> 00:36:28.525
I'm a big food guy.

00:36:31.925 --> 00:36:32.567
But I'll say,

00:36:32.586 --> 00:36:33.947
I don't know the name of that place,

00:36:33.987 --> 00:36:35.648
and I feel bad because I

00:36:35.688 --> 00:36:36.650
was going there also.

00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:38.592
Is that the Maroon Door?

00:36:39.472 --> 00:36:40.172
The Maroon Door.

00:36:40.193 --> 00:36:40.653
There we go.

00:36:40.673 --> 00:36:42.054
There we go.

00:36:42.094 --> 00:36:42.375
Yeah.

00:36:42.534 --> 00:36:43.376
When I was vegetarian,

00:36:43.396 --> 00:36:44.817
I used to get that mushroom burger.

00:36:46.338 --> 00:36:48.219
Most of my time.

00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:48.780
All right.

00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:53.925
And then the big go-to, it's like.

00:36:55.992 --> 00:36:56.773
Every time I'm up there,

00:36:56.853 --> 00:36:58.233
I need those PK wing bites.

00:36:58.273 --> 00:36:59.655
Like, when I went up for the spring game,

00:37:00.074 --> 00:37:00.934
it was a must-stop.

00:37:01.235 --> 00:37:03.016
When I went up there for a spring practice,

00:37:03.275 --> 00:37:03.695
must-stop.

00:37:03.715 --> 00:37:04.797
When I went up there for a pro day,

00:37:05.336 --> 00:37:05.876
must-stop.

00:37:06.036 --> 00:37:07.898
Those PK wing bites,

00:37:08.858 --> 00:37:10.039
people make boneless wings,

00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.340
but those wing bites are,

00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.981
they cut up them chicken thighs pretty,

00:37:16.001 --> 00:37:16.342
I don't know.

00:37:16.362 --> 00:37:17.702
What's the go-to sauce for you?

00:37:18.643 --> 00:37:21.463
I like that sweet chili, and a lot of guys,

00:37:21.523 --> 00:37:23.224
I'd be with, like, the Cheetah wings, but

00:37:24.713 --> 00:37:26.114
I'm a sweet chili guy.

00:37:26.994 --> 00:37:29.195
Hold on, Brian.

00:37:29.235 --> 00:37:30.614
Before we wrap up here,

00:37:30.875 --> 00:37:32.956
can you get the – I've

00:37:33.235 --> 00:37:34.295
never seen this place.

00:37:34.635 --> 00:37:35.916
Can you get that up on screen,

00:37:36.257 --> 00:37:36.856
the boardwalk?

00:37:36.956 --> 00:37:37.556
Oh, the boardwalk?

00:37:37.577 --> 00:37:37.858
Hang on.

00:37:37.878 --> 00:37:39.097
Because, y'all,

00:37:39.117 --> 00:37:41.938
I'm like – So you over there Googling it?

00:37:41.998 --> 00:37:42.619
Oh, yes.

00:37:43.278 --> 00:37:44.179
You got to know what – you

00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:44.980
can go up there.

00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:45.880
Yeah,

00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:48.300
you got to go to their Instagram and

00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:49.762
tell them Fiderio sent you.

00:37:49.822 --> 00:37:50.521
That place is –

00:37:53.326 --> 00:37:53.826
J.C.

00:37:54.507 --> 00:37:54.907
J.C.

00:37:54.947 --> 00:37:56.228
Price, he done been on here too.

00:37:56.847 --> 00:37:58.949
Get all them D-linemen down

00:37:58.989 --> 00:38:03.992
there to where the fried Oreos at.

00:38:04.172 --> 00:38:07.135
If they down there fucking

00:38:07.175 --> 00:38:08.396
up fried Oreos and then

00:38:08.416 --> 00:38:09.277
they play like he was

00:38:09.317 --> 00:38:10.376
playing when he came back,

00:38:10.938 --> 00:38:13.298
we need everybody to eat fried Oreos.

00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:15.181
Get your picture.

00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:16.802
Fried Oreos.

00:38:16.862 --> 00:38:17.922
Fried Twinkies.

00:38:18.222 --> 00:38:18.722
Oh my gosh.

00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.943
Oh, go on down, bro.

00:38:25.963 --> 00:38:26.043
Yeah,

00:38:26.063 --> 00:38:28.827
you was going to have to play D-Town.

00:38:28.847 --> 00:38:33.331
But Darius came in as a running back.

00:38:33.873 --> 00:38:35.574
But for Darius,

00:38:35.614 --> 00:38:36.976
how many fried rice did you

00:38:36.996 --> 00:38:38.257
have before you ran at 4-8-5?

00:38:38.297 --> 00:38:40.260
Hold on.

00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:40.960
I couldn't eat any.

00:38:40.981 --> 00:38:41.902
That was the treat after.

00:38:41.961 --> 00:38:43.083
That was the treat after.

00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:45.961
That is what's up.

00:38:46.021 --> 00:38:47.682
By the way, so new place,

00:38:47.882 --> 00:38:50.644
new sweet dessert spot down in Blacksburg,

00:38:50.704 --> 00:38:52.467
the Boardwalk that's on Draper.

00:38:54.487 --> 00:38:55.608
It's right across from Benny's.

00:38:55.849 --> 00:38:57.771
There you go.

00:38:57.831 --> 00:38:58.550
If you get the pizza,

00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:01.032
the other friend get the sweets.

00:39:01.632 --> 00:39:03.775
Oh, man.

00:39:03.994 --> 00:39:06.637
Fried Oreos and a Benny's pizza.

00:39:06.677 --> 00:39:09.418
Man, that's a deadly combo right there.

00:39:09.438 --> 00:39:11.021
You sound like you at the fair.

00:39:12.009 --> 00:39:14.210
If you're doing that.

00:39:14.369 --> 00:39:15.769
It got a special place in my heart,

00:39:15.849 --> 00:39:16.449
I can tell you that.

00:39:16.829 --> 00:39:17.610
That's what's up.

00:39:18.150 --> 00:39:18.771
It is what's up.

00:39:19.311 --> 00:39:22.070
Listen, our buddy, Coach Robbie Compton,

00:39:22.231 --> 00:39:24.072
best of luck in the draft, Ladarius.

00:39:24.472 --> 00:39:26.891
Thank you for taking, you know, 45 minutes,

00:39:26.911 --> 00:39:27.873
an hour out of your night

00:39:27.913 --> 00:39:30.112
to spend with us, with Hokie Nation here.

00:39:31.273 --> 00:39:32.273
We'll be thinking about you

00:39:32.293 --> 00:39:33.273
over these next few days,

00:39:33.333 --> 00:39:34.273
hoping to hear that name

00:39:34.333 --> 00:39:36.634
called because you deserve it, man.

00:39:37.934 --> 00:39:38.454
Thank you.

00:39:40.059 --> 00:39:40.840
Appreciate y'all,

00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:42.400
and I'm always happy to

00:39:42.481 --> 00:39:43.242
come back up here.

00:39:44.001 --> 00:39:45.422
Y'all just shoot me a text

00:39:45.443 --> 00:39:46.222
or shoot me a DM,

00:39:46.322 --> 00:39:48.603
and I'll easily come back up here.

00:39:48.623 --> 00:39:50.385
Sounds good.

00:39:50.465 --> 00:39:53.025
Now, if you do wind up in Nash Vegas,

00:39:53.726 --> 00:39:54.706
I'm two hours away.

00:39:55.086 --> 00:39:55.547
He coming.

00:39:56.128 --> 00:39:58.309
I'm coming.

00:39:58.548 --> 00:39:59.309
I'm just letting you know.

00:39:59.329 --> 00:40:00.730
Yes, sir.

00:40:02.108 --> 00:40:02.889
Appreciate you, Ladarius,

00:40:02.929 --> 00:40:03.949
for jumping on with us tonight.

00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:05.610
Appreciate you.

00:40:05.990 --> 00:40:06.731
Y'all have a good one.

00:40:07.152 --> 00:40:07.972
You too.

00:40:08.072 --> 00:40:10.934
All right, y'all, that was Ladarius Payne.

00:40:11.875 --> 00:40:12.675
That was awesome.

00:40:13.096 --> 00:40:14.757
Thank him so much for his time tonight.

00:40:14.896 --> 00:40:16.518
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Alrighty, and we are back.

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Man, I'm still looking at that menu.

00:41:52.438 --> 00:41:54.617
They do like late night, bunch of hot dogs,

00:41:54.677 --> 00:41:55.278
corn dog.

00:41:55.318 --> 00:41:55.759
Man,

00:41:55.778 --> 00:41:57.298
we're going to be in trouble next time

00:41:57.338 --> 00:41:58.300
we all go down there.

00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:00.039
We number funnel cakes and

00:42:00.099 --> 00:42:01.360
fried Oreos all day.

00:42:02.081 --> 00:42:03.541
You know, there are worse things in life,

00:42:03.581 --> 00:42:03.842
man.

00:42:03.961 --> 00:42:04.242
True.

00:42:04.722 --> 00:42:05.722
Worse things in life.

00:42:05.802 --> 00:42:06.063
True.

00:42:06.222 --> 00:42:06.443
Right.

00:42:07.195 --> 00:42:08.197
But again, I mean,

00:42:08.898 --> 00:42:09.818
that's why we ask these

00:42:09.858 --> 00:42:11.860
young men that question every time,

00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:12.902
because usually we always

00:42:12.981 --> 00:42:13.862
uncover something.

00:42:13.902 --> 00:42:15.443
We always uncover something cool.

00:42:16.125 --> 00:42:18.447
Um, you know, but, uh, let's,

00:42:18.467 --> 00:42:20.028
let's talk a little bit, you know,

00:42:20.128 --> 00:42:21.610
not gonna be a long episode tonight,

00:42:21.670 --> 00:42:21.990
folks.

00:42:22.771 --> 00:42:24.773
Um, after spring game and everything, um,

00:42:26.512 --> 00:42:28.114
you know, the portal opened up.

00:42:28.994 --> 00:42:29.833
And, you know,

00:42:30.014 --> 00:42:31.074
obviously right now we've

00:42:31.114 --> 00:42:32.215
got several Virginia Tech

00:42:32.235 --> 00:42:33.115
players in there.

00:42:33.896 --> 00:42:35.697
And what I wanted to kind of

00:42:35.737 --> 00:42:37.277
do just amongst us three

00:42:37.318 --> 00:42:38.797
here is just kind of the

00:42:38.838 --> 00:42:40.539
surprised or not surprised

00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:42.239
by the guys who are in there right now.

00:42:43.619 --> 00:42:45.240
Anyone we think could be

00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:46.721
going in the next few days.

00:42:47.521 --> 00:42:48.242
And I'm going to do this in

00:42:48.262 --> 00:42:49.563
the order they came out in.

00:42:50.342 --> 00:42:52.324
And Brian,

00:42:52.483 --> 00:42:53.704
I'll let you go first on this one.

00:42:53.724 --> 00:42:54.724
Tally, you follow it up.

00:42:55.536 --> 00:42:59.101
Uh, freshman, excuse me,

00:42:59.541 --> 00:43:01.563
freshman offensive lineman, Gabriel Reno.

00:43:01.623 --> 00:43:04.307
He was the six, four to 75, um,

00:43:04.387 --> 00:43:05.869
interior guy out of Bishop

00:43:05.889 --> 00:43:07.331
McDevitt up in Harrisburg.

00:43:08.132 --> 00:43:08.213
Um,

00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:10.630
Brian,

00:43:11.831 --> 00:43:12.831
you pay attention more to that than

00:43:12.911 --> 00:43:13.371
anybody.

00:43:14.393 --> 00:43:15.793
The interior is a little

00:43:15.813 --> 00:43:17.135
crowded at the offensive line.

00:43:17.175 --> 00:43:18.096
I feel like he's the guy

00:43:18.135 --> 00:43:19.717
that was kind of falling

00:43:20.538 --> 00:43:21.898
into that bottom part of

00:43:22.498 --> 00:43:24.621
the muddle there with a couple guys,

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.782
maybe even a class lower than him,

00:43:26.822 --> 00:43:28.943
that it kind of already was

00:43:28.983 --> 00:43:31.306
a step ahead of him on the depth chart.

00:43:31.385 --> 00:43:33.367
So not a big surprise,

00:43:33.827 --> 00:43:35.248
him taking another opportunity here.

00:43:37.391 --> 00:43:38.672
So not shocked on that one.

00:43:39.251 --> 00:43:40.452
Valley, any shock on that one?

00:43:41.373 --> 00:43:43.034
No, kind of what Brian said, man.

00:43:43.114 --> 00:43:44.574
It's, you know,

00:43:44.614 --> 00:43:46.155
you got to thank some of them guys, man.

00:43:46.215 --> 00:43:47.496
Coaching change happens.

00:43:48.056 --> 00:43:50.038
You know, you get the portals big.

00:43:50.097 --> 00:43:51.237
Now you're bringing people in.

00:43:51.297 --> 00:43:54.039
It's like you're going to test it,

00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:54.579
you know.

00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:55.780
So it wasn't really a

00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.900
surprise if it's crowded

00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:58.262
and you feel like you don't

00:43:58.302 --> 00:43:59.322
have a path to get on the

00:43:59.362 --> 00:44:00.862
field pretty quick.

00:44:01.023 --> 00:44:03.003
You know, I understand it.

00:44:04.085 --> 00:44:05.905
Yeah, and then, like, to y'all's point,

00:44:05.925 --> 00:44:08.911
to Brian's point, too, it is sort of a –

00:44:08.911 --> 00:44:11.612
It is a big room right now.

00:44:11.652 --> 00:44:12.771
I mean, we take a look at it.

00:44:12.811 --> 00:44:15.833
We've got 15 guys and not

00:44:15.873 --> 00:44:17.034
recruiting this year.

00:44:17.614 --> 00:44:18.813
That's a lot of people.

00:44:19.034 --> 00:44:21.175
And, yeah, you want two or three deep,

00:44:21.215 --> 00:44:23.755
but realistically, eight to ten,

00:44:23.775 --> 00:44:26.277
you start slipping in that bottom five.

00:44:27.197 --> 00:44:30.398
Unless you are brand new to campus,

00:44:30.538 --> 00:44:31.579
it's probably not going to

00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:32.219
be good for you.

00:44:32.298 --> 00:44:34.179
And, again, there's that opportunity.

00:44:34.219 --> 00:44:35.260
Go out, find a home.

00:44:36.554 --> 00:44:38.235
for where your next one is.

00:44:38.255 --> 00:44:38.956
All right,

00:44:39.376 --> 00:44:40.498
let's hit the next one up here

00:44:40.518 --> 00:44:41.179
that came out.

00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:43.922
Tally, I'll let you start with this one.

00:44:44.822 --> 00:44:46.324
Quarterback Dylan Whitkey.

00:44:48.005 --> 00:44:49.708
Surprised, not surprised.

00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:52.231
I ain't trying to be mean.

00:44:52.291 --> 00:44:53.612
I'm surprised he made it that long.

00:44:54.413 --> 00:44:57.356
I'm just saying, like, I didn't.

00:44:58.768 --> 00:44:59.588
I didn't see a way for him

00:44:59.608 --> 00:45:00.769
to get on the field with

00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:02.871
the other quarterback in the room.

00:45:02.951 --> 00:45:04.231
With Pop being in the room, like,

00:45:04.652 --> 00:45:05.472
and then how they're

00:45:05.492 --> 00:45:07.472
recruiting that quarterback, you know,

00:45:07.873 --> 00:45:08.853
I just didn't see a way for

00:45:08.893 --> 00:45:09.653
him to get on the field.

00:45:09.693 --> 00:45:10.914
So I would have thought he

00:45:10.934 --> 00:45:12.735
was either changing

00:45:12.755 --> 00:45:14.795
positions last year or he

00:45:14.815 --> 00:45:15.577
would have been leaving.

00:45:15.617 --> 00:45:16.876
So no surprise.

00:45:19.217 --> 00:45:19.938
Yeah, I'm kind of –

00:45:21.768 --> 00:45:23.429
I'm a little surprised given

00:45:23.628 --> 00:45:25.469
our current scholarship numbers.

00:45:25.851 --> 00:45:26.610
I don't think he's the guy

00:45:26.650 --> 00:45:27.711
that we were saying, hey,

00:45:28.112 --> 00:45:29.172
if you want to go, go.

00:45:29.994 --> 00:45:31.255
But I think it's a guy that

00:45:32.215 --> 00:45:33.456
he's seeing the writing on the wall,

00:45:33.516 --> 00:45:35.838
somebody, again, a class lower than him,

00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:37.920
pass him on the depth chart,

00:45:39.501 --> 00:45:40.541
puts him at three.

00:45:41.442 --> 00:45:42.422
If he sees a path for

00:45:42.463 --> 00:45:43.403
himself getting on the

00:45:43.463 --> 00:45:45.184
field at another school,

00:45:45.204 --> 00:45:47.005
whether it's G5 or whatever it may be,

00:45:48.186 --> 00:45:48.367
You know,

00:45:48.547 --> 00:45:51.672
go do your thing and best wishes to you.

00:45:51.711 --> 00:45:53.333
So, you know,

00:45:53.673 --> 00:45:56.938
definitely I'd say maybe a

00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:58.360
little shocked only because

00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:59.262
of the scholarship numbers.

00:45:59.931 --> 00:46:00.411
I got you.

00:46:01.273 --> 00:46:02.612
I was surprised by this one,

00:46:02.713 --> 00:46:03.873
and I was more surprised

00:46:03.914 --> 00:46:05.315
because of the statement

00:46:05.335 --> 00:46:06.715
Brent Pry made after the spring game.

00:46:07.396 --> 00:46:08.677
He said, you know, he said,

00:46:08.936 --> 00:46:09.717
Pops a little bit ahead,

00:46:09.797 --> 00:46:12.077
but we've got summer and we've got fall.

00:46:12.217 --> 00:46:15.099
Like almost that thing of Pops ahead,

00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.201
but it's not a runaway, right?

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.802
It's not like Pops the number two guy,

00:46:19.961 --> 00:46:21.922
ain't no question about it, you know.

00:46:22.643 --> 00:46:23.704
And Dylan didn't play

00:46:23.724 --> 00:46:24.744
terrible in the spring game.

00:46:25.385 --> 00:46:27.286
Like he looked solid in the spring game.

00:46:27.347 --> 00:46:29.268
So I thought there was a

00:46:29.307 --> 00:46:30.148
part of us that probably

00:46:30.168 --> 00:46:31.630
like you kind of want it

00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:32.710
because you want that death room.

00:46:32.731 --> 00:46:34.052
We got Dobby Belfort coming

00:46:34.172 --> 00:46:35.572
in in the summer.

00:46:36.173 --> 00:46:37.255
Kelton Ryan already with the

00:46:37.295 --> 00:46:39.016
class of 2025 locked in.

00:46:40.637 --> 00:46:42.199
But also to Tally's point,

00:46:42.458 --> 00:46:43.239
if he didn't feel like

00:46:43.259 --> 00:46:44.219
there was a way on the field,

00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:44.920
should he be again?

00:46:45.001 --> 00:46:46.161
Should he have been gone in January?

00:46:47.286 --> 00:46:48.148
And that's those decisions

00:46:48.188 --> 00:46:49.168
those kids have to make.

00:46:49.289 --> 00:46:51.311
And it's always something different.

00:46:51.371 --> 00:46:52.112
But right now,

00:46:52.532 --> 00:46:54.773
only people with their own scholarship.

00:46:55.534 --> 00:46:56.436
We'll take a look and see

00:46:56.476 --> 00:46:57.076
what we've done in the

00:46:57.135 --> 00:46:59.237
portal offers in a little bit here.

00:46:59.257 --> 00:47:00.619
All right, next one.

00:47:00.659 --> 00:47:01.681
Back to Brian.

00:47:02.661 --> 00:47:05.324
Traylon Mitchell, running back.

00:47:07.146 --> 00:47:08.246
Surprised, not surprised.

00:47:10.184 --> 00:47:11.425
I was a little surprised

00:47:11.445 --> 00:47:13.164
just because I think the spring game,

00:47:13.264 --> 00:47:13.505
I think,

00:47:13.545 --> 00:47:14.244
created a little bit of

00:47:14.304 --> 00:47:15.806
conversation as far as kind

00:47:15.826 --> 00:47:16.945
of who is the number four

00:47:16.965 --> 00:47:18.367
or five guy in that kind of

00:47:18.407 --> 00:47:19.686
pecking order at running back.

00:47:20.907 --> 00:47:21.748
But it's a little less

00:47:21.788 --> 00:47:23.027
surprising when you look at

00:47:23.088 --> 00:47:24.869
kind of what we're doing in

00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:26.449
terms of portal offers right now.

00:47:28.869 --> 00:47:31.530
So I think that kind of nets out and says,

00:47:31.590 --> 00:47:31.811
all right,

00:47:31.831 --> 00:47:33.132
maybe not as shocking as you think,

00:47:33.152 --> 00:47:35.313
but I thought I saw some good things from,

00:47:35.492 --> 00:47:36.693
from Mitchell in the spring game,

00:47:36.753 --> 00:47:38.014
but it looks like he was

00:47:38.054 --> 00:47:39.394
kind of using that as a little bit of a,

00:47:39.614 --> 00:47:41.016
get a little bit of tape out there for,

00:47:41.516 --> 00:47:42.496
for his next move there.

00:47:45.498 --> 00:47:47.079
Yeah.

00:47:47.659 --> 00:47:50.039
I don't want to say surprise.

00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.981
I'll say surprised by just his name,

00:47:53.061 --> 00:47:53.420
I guess,

00:47:53.882 --> 00:47:56.382
but not really surprised by the position.

00:47:56.443 --> 00:47:56.603
Like,

00:47:58.166 --> 00:47:59.387
when you get five,

00:47:59.447 --> 00:48:01.668
six deep at running back, somebody's one,

00:48:01.708 --> 00:48:01.949
you know,

00:48:02.028 --> 00:48:03.170
I was more surprised with bright

00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:05.771
deuce leaving last year, you know,

00:48:06.112 --> 00:48:07.432
so stuff like that.

00:48:07.472 --> 00:48:08.833
But I mean, again, man,

00:48:08.853 --> 00:48:09.514
you got so many

00:48:09.574 --> 00:48:10.936
opportunities for these kids.

00:48:11.436 --> 00:48:12.317
I can't follow them for,

00:48:12.376 --> 00:48:13.378
if they have a way to get

00:48:13.438 --> 00:48:16.059
on the field or get them some NIL money,

00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:16.960
you know,

00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.402
closer to home or at a smaller

00:48:20.023 --> 00:48:21.925
school or even a lateral school, you know,

00:48:22.164 --> 00:48:23.085
Hey, go for it.

00:48:23.126 --> 00:48:23.226
So,

00:48:23.856 --> 00:48:27.097
And I think with Coach Brooks,

00:48:27.777 --> 00:48:28.677
he's looking for a certain

00:48:28.697 --> 00:48:29.958
type of running back as well.

00:48:30.597 --> 00:48:31.278
You know what I mean?

00:48:32.318 --> 00:48:33.259
If you start looking at some

00:48:33.278 --> 00:48:35.039
of the offers and things like that,

00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.119
and then you have a running

00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:40.599
back like Tunis on campus now,

00:48:41.161 --> 00:48:43.360
it's like that floor has been raised.

00:48:43.601 --> 00:48:45.840
So can you do this?

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:46.722
Can you do this?

00:48:46.842 --> 00:48:47.762
Because he can do this.

00:48:48.666 --> 00:48:50.907
You know, you as a running back,

00:48:50.967 --> 00:48:52.067
if you're number two or three,

00:48:52.427 --> 00:48:53.166
can you do this?

00:48:53.206 --> 00:48:54.887
Can you carry the ball this many times?

00:48:55.288 --> 00:48:56.047
Can you block?

00:48:56.427 --> 00:48:56.668
You know,

00:48:56.708 --> 00:48:58.188
so it kind of gets to that point

00:48:58.228 --> 00:48:59.469
where you ain't – because

00:48:59.509 --> 00:49:00.289
two is that kind of running

00:49:00.309 --> 00:49:00.989
back where you ain't got to

00:49:01.028 --> 00:49:02.510
swap him out to do different stuff.

00:49:02.889 --> 00:49:04.269
He can do just about all of it.

00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:05.670
He does everything at least

00:49:05.710 --> 00:49:06.490
a pretty good level,

00:49:06.570 --> 00:49:07.411
if not a great level.

00:49:07.791 --> 00:49:09.030
Yeah, so, you know,

00:49:09.050 --> 00:49:11.271
I think that's kind of where it is.

00:49:12.152 --> 00:49:14.393
What Coach Brooks is doing, which, again,

00:49:14.432 --> 00:49:15.273
like Robbie said,

00:49:15.454 --> 00:49:17.215
y'all put Robbie's comment up, you know,

00:49:17.235 --> 00:49:18.074
because Robbie told us

00:49:18.135 --> 00:49:19.516
about him even coming out.

00:49:19.596 --> 00:49:20.815
So, yeah,

00:49:21.677 --> 00:49:23.478
when you see playmakers like that, man,

00:49:23.518 --> 00:49:24.077
in high school,

00:49:24.358 --> 00:49:25.818
you definitely want them on

00:49:25.858 --> 00:49:26.978
you on your roster.

00:49:26.998 --> 00:49:29.400
But, you know, we live in a new age now,

00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:29.641
man.

00:49:29.681 --> 00:49:30.561
People ain't going to sit.

00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:31.762
And, you know,

00:49:31.802 --> 00:49:33.202
it's a lot of opportunities elsewhere.

00:49:33.262 --> 00:49:34.083
So I get it.

00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:35.041
Yeah,

00:49:35.681 --> 00:49:37.161
I was surprised by this one just

00:49:37.202 --> 00:49:39.641
because the room, we only had five,

00:49:39.702 --> 00:49:40.503
even if you had another one

00:49:40.523 --> 00:49:41.242
from the portal.

00:49:41.483 --> 00:49:42.603
You mean we didn't have 13

00:49:42.603 --> 00:49:43.543
scholarship running backs?

00:49:43.563 --> 00:49:43.963
We didn't have 13

00:49:43.963 --> 00:49:44.884
scholarship running back.

00:49:45.784 --> 00:49:46.844
Those days are long gone.

00:49:46.864 --> 00:49:48.784
We had even four is, to me,

00:49:48.824 --> 00:49:49.525
the right amount.

00:49:49.985 --> 00:49:52.126
But I think also, I mean,

00:49:52.346 --> 00:49:54.007
he didn't look bad in the spring game,

00:49:54.586 --> 00:49:56.088
but you look at Mason,

00:49:56.108 --> 00:49:57.047
who was a true freshman.

00:49:57.884 --> 00:49:58.545
He looked good.

00:49:58.925 --> 00:50:00.226
You look at Coney, looked good.

00:50:00.987 --> 00:50:02.289
Thomas had some big catches.

00:50:02.648 --> 00:50:03.248
And I think, Tally,

00:50:03.269 --> 00:50:04.710
you just made maybe even a

00:50:04.791 --> 00:50:06.231
better point there with the

00:50:06.273 --> 00:50:06.773
running backs.

00:50:06.992 --> 00:50:08.614
Tootin' is that do-it-all guy.

00:50:09.775 --> 00:50:11.617
And there is nothing to me

00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:13.559
Tootin' is averaging.

00:50:14.686 --> 00:50:16.128
He is an above-average blocker.

00:50:16.168 --> 00:50:17.708
He is an above-average pass catcher.

00:50:18.489 --> 00:50:19.891
He can go inside.

00:50:19.911 --> 00:50:20.731
He can go outside.

00:50:21.172 --> 00:50:22.793
And add the element of the kick return,

00:50:23.273 --> 00:50:24.353
I think that you've got to

00:50:24.373 --> 00:50:25.675
have that one extra thing

00:50:26.275 --> 00:50:27.576
that you do exceptional.

00:50:28.496 --> 00:50:30.077
And with Tootin, to me,

00:50:30.117 --> 00:50:31.199
it's the explosive outside

00:50:31.259 --> 00:50:32.179
runs and it's that kick

00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.400
return game where at any second,

00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.963
if you screw up and you miss a tackle,

00:50:37.362 --> 00:50:37.722
he gone.

00:50:38.583 --> 00:50:39.164
Yeah.

00:50:39.204 --> 00:50:40.324
Let's talk about longevity

00:50:40.364 --> 00:50:41.144
of running backs too.

00:50:41.306 --> 00:50:41.626
Yeah.

00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:43.619
You got to get on the field

00:50:43.659 --> 00:50:44.820
and put some tape out there

00:50:44.860 --> 00:50:46.320
if you want to potentially

00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:47.501
take those next steps if

00:50:47.521 --> 00:50:48.282
you want to get looked at

00:50:48.342 --> 00:50:49.661
from an NFL standpoint.

00:50:49.722 --> 00:50:51.342
So, you know,

00:50:51.382 --> 00:50:52.422
these guys need to get on the

00:50:52.463 --> 00:50:53.364
field in order to do that.

00:50:54.423 --> 00:50:57.505
So sometimes exposure is just as good as,

00:50:57.525 --> 00:50:57.965
you know,

00:50:58.025 --> 00:50:59.425
level of play in terms of playing,

00:50:59.985 --> 00:51:00.246
you know,

00:51:00.646 --> 00:51:02.306
what power for whatever we call it now.

00:51:03.286 --> 00:51:03.887
Whatever it is.

00:51:03.907 --> 00:51:04.867
All right.

00:51:05.148 --> 00:51:07.250
We got a couple more to discuss here.

00:51:07.989 --> 00:51:09.550
Tally, I'll let you roll with this one.

00:51:10.512 --> 00:51:13.313
Antonio Cotman Jr., the defensive back,

00:51:13.474 --> 00:51:14.815
was primarily at safety

00:51:14.855 --> 00:51:17.155
this spring in the portal.

00:51:19.117 --> 00:51:19.878
I'm looking here.

00:51:19.898 --> 00:51:21.938
I know he got offered by UNC Charlotte.

00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:25.041
Maybe somebody will talk to

00:51:25.081 --> 00:51:26.282
him in a few days here.

00:51:26.681 --> 00:51:28.043
Yeah, different.

00:51:28.222 --> 00:51:29.503
I know somebody at UNC Charlotte.

00:51:30.411 --> 00:51:32.572
Yeah, they got Dre Bly down in there.

00:51:32.594 --> 00:51:33.614
So yeah,

00:51:34.434 --> 00:51:35.514
they seen somebody else wearing

00:51:35.534 --> 00:51:36.516
some Charlotte stuff too.

00:51:36.556 --> 00:51:40.418
But anyway, so yeah, man, I mean,

00:51:40.438 --> 00:51:42.978
I guess I'll say surprised.

00:51:44.867 --> 00:51:45.047
Now,

00:51:45.686 --> 00:51:47.427
I was a big Cotman fan just because I

00:51:47.447 --> 00:51:48.168
like his size.

00:51:48.668 --> 00:51:49.288
You know what I'm saying?

00:51:49.307 --> 00:51:51.289
But I do know as far as scheme goes,

00:51:51.789 --> 00:51:52.009
you know,

00:51:52.048 --> 00:51:53.570
it's kind of tough for a kid

00:51:54.289 --> 00:51:56.170
that has that size,

00:51:56.311 --> 00:51:57.391
maybe not fast enough to

00:51:57.431 --> 00:51:59.711
play in some places, you know, but too,

00:52:00.291 --> 00:52:02.733
you know, too big to play in some places,

00:52:02.793 --> 00:52:04.233
too small to play.

00:52:04.333 --> 00:52:05.934
It's kind of a different

00:52:05.994 --> 00:52:08.375
Twitter position that he has to play in.

00:52:08.434 --> 00:52:08.635
Yeah.

00:52:09.981 --> 00:52:11.561
And to be honest with you, man,

00:52:11.581 --> 00:52:13.123
like we got a lot of people

00:52:13.163 --> 00:52:14.884
that's fighting for those positions.

00:52:15.625 --> 00:52:16.545
So, you know,

00:52:16.625 --> 00:52:18.827
I could understand somebody saying, hey,

00:52:18.887 --> 00:52:21.228
I got to go explore elsewhere as well.

00:52:21.248 --> 00:52:25.170
Because, I mean, think about our DB room,

00:52:25.391 --> 00:52:26.592
you know, think about.

00:52:27.927 --> 00:52:28.867
The star position.

00:52:29.467 --> 00:52:29.688
Yeah.

00:52:29.728 --> 00:52:31.269
People just stepping up in those positions,

00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:32.271
which is kind of why I

00:52:32.291 --> 00:52:33.070
thought he was playing

00:52:33.112 --> 00:52:34.652
would be the star position.

00:52:35.132 --> 00:52:36.054
But then, I mean,

00:52:36.715 --> 00:52:39.036
you get somebody like Caleb

00:52:39.056 --> 00:52:41.918
Woodson in there, it's like, same class,

00:52:41.958 --> 00:52:42.480
what do I do?

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:43.380
You know what I mean?

00:52:43.420 --> 00:52:45.621
So I understand it.

00:52:47.063 --> 00:52:48.284
I really liked – I liked

00:52:48.344 --> 00:52:50.286
Cotman's size and I liked his potential.

00:52:50.306 --> 00:52:51.927
So I hope he lands somewhere good.

00:52:54.867 --> 00:52:55.748
I was not shocked,

00:52:55.768 --> 00:52:57.969
and I'll tell you a couple reasons why.

00:52:58.009 --> 00:53:00.291
Number one is that we saw –

00:53:00.291 --> 00:53:01.012
Tally was talking about

00:53:01.032 --> 00:53:02.132
there the star position.

00:53:02.972 --> 00:53:04.414
Between Woodson coming on in

00:53:04.434 --> 00:53:06.275
the last year and Gabe

00:53:06.315 --> 00:53:07.677
Williams stepping in right

00:53:07.717 --> 00:53:09.958
away and making an impact this spring,

00:53:11.860 --> 00:53:12.860
that was kind of a wash.

00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:14.641
He got moved back to safety

00:53:14.681 --> 00:53:15.382
for the spring.

00:53:15.402 --> 00:53:18.224
Definitely some competition there,

00:53:18.264 --> 00:53:20.666
but what kind of told me that –

00:53:20.666 --> 00:53:23.487
He might not be sticking out

00:53:23.527 --> 00:53:24.126
pretty good in that

00:53:24.146 --> 00:53:25.668
position was when we saw a

00:53:25.728 --> 00:53:26.568
whole lot of Tyler

00:53:26.608 --> 00:53:28.007
Childress early in the

00:53:28.047 --> 00:53:29.268
spring game and not a whole

00:53:29.309 --> 00:53:30.869
lot of Antonio Cotman.

00:53:33.489 --> 00:53:36.030
That was kind of a flag for me that,

00:53:36.371 --> 00:53:36.851
all right,

00:53:36.911 --> 00:53:38.871
maybe this isn't quite going

00:53:38.891 --> 00:53:40.253
the way I think we wanted

00:53:40.293 --> 00:53:41.652
it to go that he wanted it to go.

00:53:41.773 --> 00:53:43.534
So it doesn't surprise me

00:53:43.574 --> 00:53:44.393
that he's making that move.

00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:45.300
Yeah,

00:53:45.340 --> 00:53:46.661
we ain't going to put my man Childers

00:53:46.702 --> 00:53:47.702
down too much, but Childers,

00:53:47.722 --> 00:53:48.983
you're going to have to get

00:53:49.003 --> 00:53:50.385
you some cleats to stick in the ground,

00:53:50.405 --> 00:53:50.766
my boy.

00:53:50.786 --> 00:53:54.228
Because you was, hey,

00:53:54.489 --> 00:53:55.590
if you playing football and

00:53:55.610 --> 00:53:56.831
you see your feet in the earth,

00:53:56.891 --> 00:53:57.632
that ain't good.

00:53:58.572 --> 00:54:00.235
We definitely seen your feet in the earth.

00:54:00.355 --> 00:54:02.016
So Childers, hey,

00:54:02.077 --> 00:54:03.498
we like how you out there playing hard,

00:54:03.538 --> 00:54:06.621
my boy, but PJ put a move on me.

00:54:07.101 --> 00:54:07.782
Yes, he did.

00:54:09.023 --> 00:54:09.985
I'm going to kind of go with

00:54:10.045 --> 00:54:11.425
what 1872's got here.

00:54:11.465 --> 00:54:13.146
It is tough to see anybody leave.

00:54:14.126 --> 00:54:15.608
But I can understand Cotman

00:54:15.648 --> 00:54:16.949
leaving because if we take

00:54:17.009 --> 00:54:18.550
a look at how that safety

00:54:18.630 --> 00:54:19.670
room and how – like, Tal,

00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:21.090
you mentioned the star position, right?

00:54:21.550 --> 00:54:21.791
Yeah.

00:54:21.851 --> 00:54:24.592
Those kind of all – Gabe stepping up big.

00:54:24.713 --> 00:54:25.733
Quentin Reddish looking like

00:54:25.773 --> 00:54:27.695
he's going to be something big, right?

00:54:28.454 --> 00:54:29.416
Phillips being big.

00:54:29.476 --> 00:54:31.356
Phillips same class as Cotman.

00:54:32.081 --> 00:54:33.143
And Phillips is already out

00:54:33.163 --> 00:54:34.543
there playing last year.

00:54:35.083 --> 00:54:35.625
Right.

00:54:36.224 --> 00:54:37.806
Reddish looking like he is

00:54:37.927 --> 00:54:39.487
can play day one.

00:54:40.268 --> 00:54:42.809
So I get it because if they

00:54:42.849 --> 00:54:44.130
continue recruiting at that

00:54:44.291 --> 00:54:45.952
level with the safety room,

00:54:46.914 --> 00:54:48.454
safety is one of those positions, right,

00:54:48.474 --> 00:54:49.295
that if you've got that

00:54:49.335 --> 00:54:50.056
little bit of size and

00:54:50.076 --> 00:54:51.056
you've got a little dog in you,

00:54:51.317 --> 00:54:52.077
you can play early.

00:54:53.137 --> 00:54:53.778
You can play early.

00:54:54.634 --> 00:54:56.434
And I think that's kind of

00:54:56.454 --> 00:54:57.715
what it was in that case.

00:54:57.735 --> 00:54:58.635
All right,

00:54:58.655 --> 00:55:00.456
we got one more guy to discuss here,

00:55:00.835 --> 00:55:02.436
and that is the linebacker

00:55:02.456 --> 00:55:05.498
out of Appomattox, Tavorian Copeland.

00:55:06.858 --> 00:55:09.619
Brian, I know – go ahead,

00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:10.440
because I think you were a

00:55:10.460 --> 00:55:11.460
little surprised by this

00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.300
and a little bit – maybe a

00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.202
little bit downtrodden on

00:55:15.561 --> 00:55:16.181
Copeland leading.

00:55:17.061 --> 00:55:17.443
Yeah,

00:55:17.603 --> 00:55:18.822
this is probably the one that shocked

00:55:18.842 --> 00:55:20.304
me the most, to be honest with you.

00:55:20.684 --> 00:55:20.923
Okay.

00:55:22.190 --> 00:55:24.731
Just I thought he had a lot of promise.

00:55:25.112 --> 00:55:26.192
I thought it was a position

00:55:26.331 --> 00:55:29.994
where we've got some older guys that,

00:55:30.514 --> 00:55:32.556
you know, in whether this year, next year,

00:55:32.615 --> 00:55:34.996
probably going to kind of age out,

00:55:35.077 --> 00:55:37.057
whether it's heading to the

00:55:37.097 --> 00:55:38.719
NFL or graduating.

00:55:38.739 --> 00:55:39.318
I thought he was going to

00:55:39.358 --> 00:55:42.360
maybe have an opportunity at that point.

00:55:43.432 --> 00:55:44.534
But I also didn't see a ton

00:55:44.554 --> 00:55:45.594
of him in the spring game

00:55:45.655 --> 00:55:46.976
where anything stood out to me.

00:55:47.717 --> 00:55:49.197
So that was a little bit of

00:55:49.237 --> 00:55:50.418
a concern there as well.

00:55:50.518 --> 00:55:53.981
But I liked his potential a lot.

00:55:54.081 --> 00:55:55.943
I thought he had a high ceiling.

00:55:56.003 --> 00:55:57.744
I think he was still pretty raw,

00:55:57.764 --> 00:55:58.786
but he had a high ceiling.

00:55:58.865 --> 00:56:00.407
So this one kind of

00:56:00.447 --> 00:56:01.288
disappointed me a little

00:56:01.307 --> 00:56:02.248
bit because I wanted to see

00:56:02.309 --> 00:56:03.228
kind of where that went.

00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:06.311
Tally, anything on Copeland?

00:56:06.492 --> 00:56:07.612
Surprised, not surprised?

00:56:08.434 --> 00:56:09.735
I won't say surprised just

00:56:09.755 --> 00:56:11.175
because I keep – again, man,

00:56:11.195 --> 00:56:12.891
I'm always looking at –

00:56:12.891 --> 00:56:14.077
length and size when you

00:56:14.117 --> 00:56:15.023
start talking about

00:56:15.728 --> 00:56:17.009
you know, where the team is going.

00:56:17.289 --> 00:56:19.530
So when you see this team getting bigger,

00:56:19.811 --> 00:56:22.472
you know, he was 6'3", but, you know,

00:56:22.472 --> 00:56:22.992
192.

00:56:22.992 --> 00:56:24.614
This is his second year, right?

00:56:25.054 --> 00:56:25.273
Yeah.

00:56:25.635 --> 00:56:26.875
Yeah, going into his second year.

00:56:26.954 --> 00:56:28.657
So, you know, of course,

00:56:28.717 --> 00:56:29.916
I know you can't just pack

00:56:29.978 --> 00:56:31.838
on pounds like crazy like

00:56:31.878 --> 00:56:32.639
that because you're running

00:56:32.659 --> 00:56:33.960
around unless you're old

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.161
and you're just sitting on the couch.

00:56:35.701 --> 00:56:36.661
You know what I'm saying?

00:56:36.882 --> 00:56:37.563
We can do it.

00:56:38.023 --> 00:56:39.744
We can manage it pretty good, man.

00:56:40.244 --> 00:56:42.485
Yeah, but as far as, like, you know,

00:56:43.005 --> 00:56:45.188
his size, you know, coming out,

00:56:45.867 --> 00:56:48.289
With the official size and weights,

00:56:48.309 --> 00:56:49.088
he's still at like 192,

00:56:49.088 --> 00:56:50.909
something like that.

00:56:50.969 --> 00:56:54.490
Playing linebacker, I was like, eh.

00:56:54.951 --> 00:56:56.851
So just in that aspect,

00:56:56.871 --> 00:56:58.532
because I don't know what

00:56:58.552 --> 00:56:59.251
he did on the field,

00:56:59.532 --> 00:57:00.972
but I'm just saying in that aspect,

00:57:01.452 --> 00:57:02.452
I kind of could see it

00:57:04.134 --> 00:57:04.974
because of his size.

00:57:06.414 --> 00:57:08.454
Yeah, the size is one point.

00:57:08.514 --> 00:57:09.034
And again,

00:57:09.936 --> 00:57:11.436
there was a reason Caleb Woodson

00:57:11.476 --> 00:57:12.456
moved over and started

00:57:12.476 --> 00:57:13.516
playing some inside backer,

00:57:13.556 --> 00:57:14.097
not just star.

00:57:15.275 --> 00:57:16.938
And Caleb, to your point, Tally,

00:57:16.958 --> 00:57:18.039
Caleb does have that size.

00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:21.023
Caleb's same height as DeVore and Copeland,

00:57:21.043 --> 00:57:24.309
but Caleb's already up to like 225.

00:57:24.309 --> 00:57:24.469
Yeah.

00:57:24.570 --> 00:57:26.112
He's already there mass-wise.

00:57:26.152 --> 00:57:28.936
They're built different, man.

00:57:29.115 --> 00:57:29.335
Yeah.

00:57:31.054 --> 00:57:32.054
Yeah, you've seen him.

00:57:32.474 --> 00:57:35.195
Yeah, and the whole thing about 6'3", 195,

00:57:35.195 --> 00:57:36.715
could you still play collegiate football?

00:57:36.755 --> 00:57:36.916
Yeah,

00:57:36.936 --> 00:57:37.976
but you're probably not going to play

00:57:38.016 --> 00:57:38.715
linebacker.

00:57:39.416 --> 00:57:40.637
Are you fast enough for safety?

00:57:40.916 --> 00:57:41.916
Do you have enough wiggle to

00:57:41.956 --> 00:57:43.217
do maybe star?

00:57:44.637 --> 00:57:45.038
And, again,

00:57:45.077 --> 00:57:46.878
if the guys can't adjust to

00:57:46.918 --> 00:57:47.617
another position,

00:57:48.458 --> 00:57:49.559
it's always going to be if

00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.298
you've got to go, go.

00:57:51.619 --> 00:57:52.898
Find a place that you can fit.

00:57:53.059 --> 00:57:53.958
Find a place to get your

00:57:54.018 --> 00:57:56.400
education and things like that.

00:57:57.556 --> 00:57:57.836
You know,

00:57:58.077 --> 00:58:00.137
I don't think any were like jaw droppers,

00:58:00.398 --> 00:58:01.498
but it was a couple like

00:58:01.717 --> 00:58:02.619
they were still young,

00:58:02.659 --> 00:58:03.579
wish they could have stayed.

00:58:04.278 --> 00:58:04.659
All right.

00:58:05.059 --> 00:58:08.840
So we just said right there that was five,

00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:09.159
right?

00:58:11.101 --> 00:58:11.400
Five.

00:58:12.802 --> 00:58:14.842
Anybody out there you think

00:58:15.362 --> 00:58:16.603
maybe come in because it is

00:58:16.682 --> 00:58:19.284
exactly one week from today

00:58:20.284 --> 00:58:21.543
is when your name has to be

00:58:21.744 --> 00:58:24.824
in the portal for the to

00:58:24.864 --> 00:58:25.945
effectively go elsewhere

00:58:25.985 --> 00:58:27.166
for the fall season.

00:58:28.670 --> 00:58:30.650
I'm going to do some names

00:58:30.690 --> 00:58:31.992
here real quick just so y'all can know.

00:58:32.012 --> 00:58:33.271
These are redshirt seniors.

00:58:35.353 --> 00:58:37.134
Sam Brumfield, he ain't going anywhere.

00:58:37.393 --> 00:58:38.574
APR ain't going anywhere.

00:58:39.295 --> 00:58:40.815
CJ McCray's a wild card with

00:58:40.835 --> 00:58:41.576
that leg injury.

00:58:42.155 --> 00:58:44.117
What is CJ deciding to do?

00:58:45.077 --> 00:58:46.257
You can't go nowhere where you hurt.

00:58:46.797 --> 00:58:47.619
He can't go anywhere,

00:58:47.739 --> 00:58:50.340
but could he call it a career?

00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:52.121
Could he say I'm going to hang it up?

00:58:53.260 --> 00:58:54.262
Because your leg's injured,

00:58:54.282 --> 00:58:56.021
you're going to have to rehab.

00:58:56.523 --> 00:58:57.222
Caden Moore –

00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.081
Then you've got Parker Clements,

00:59:00.641 --> 00:59:03.123
Bob Schick, and Wilford Panay,

00:59:03.143 --> 00:59:04.264
who's on the defensive line.

00:59:08.146 --> 00:59:09.646
Anybody y'all could see leaving?

00:59:09.768 --> 00:59:10.967
Any younger guys y'all could

00:59:11.007 --> 00:59:11.668
think leaving?

00:59:11.688 --> 00:59:12.588
You know, I see on here,

00:59:12.608 --> 00:59:13.730
what about a Devin Alvis?

00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:16.211
Saw him in the spring game?

00:59:18.213 --> 00:59:18.552
Yeah.

00:59:18.813 --> 00:59:21.275
Somebody like Alvis I could see, you know,

00:59:21.315 --> 00:59:22.255
just because, like I said,

00:59:22.275 --> 00:59:26.137
it's so much competition in those rooms,

00:59:26.797 --> 00:59:27.039
you know.

00:59:28.391 --> 00:59:29.793
I can see one of those young

00:59:29.813 --> 00:59:33.255
guys finding somewhere else to thrive.

00:59:33.355 --> 00:59:34.596
But, man, you never know.

00:59:34.655 --> 00:59:36.056
Are we at the scholarship limit yet?

00:59:36.297 --> 00:59:38.798
No, we're below by three.

00:59:39.418 --> 00:59:40.159
We got three spots.

00:59:40.358 --> 00:59:41.599
We got three spots we can give.

00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:43.641
Yeah, so Ramon Brown time, right?

00:59:44.981 --> 00:59:45.322
Yeah.

00:59:45.782 --> 00:59:46.623
Is that what's happening?

00:59:46.902 --> 00:59:47.543
Well, let's see.

00:59:47.603 --> 00:59:48.364
Brian, you got it.

00:59:48.403 --> 00:59:49.485
You get it up here for us?

00:59:49.664 --> 00:59:51.005
Yeah, let's take a look here.

00:59:51.405 --> 00:59:52.746
We got some offers out there.

00:59:52.806 --> 00:59:54.467
Ramon Brown we know is offered.

00:59:57.288 --> 01:00:00.351
This is courtesy of Colby Crawford.

01:00:00.831 --> 01:00:01.911
Shout out, Colby.

01:00:01.931 --> 01:00:01.952
24-7.

01:00:02.512 --> 01:00:04.835
Colby is doing God's work

01:00:05.454 --> 01:00:06.896
keeping this list together.

01:00:07.637 --> 01:00:09.099
I go check it four times a day.

01:00:09.518 --> 01:00:10.579
Did Colby get an update?

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:11.400
Somebody got offered.

01:00:13.282 --> 01:00:13.802
First of all,

01:00:14.224 --> 01:00:15.585
just because he made this

01:00:15.625 --> 01:00:16.606
announcement yesterday,

01:00:17.266 --> 01:00:19.047
the ones in red basically

01:00:19.088 --> 01:00:19.789
have ruled out tech.

01:00:20.376 --> 01:00:20.516
Yeah,

01:00:20.556 --> 01:00:21.817
they're either committed or they've

01:00:21.836 --> 01:00:22.918
already let Tech know they

01:00:22.978 --> 01:00:23.777
are not coming here,

01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:25.679
which in this case is just Chambly.

01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.621
It's just Chambly, yeah.

01:00:27.661 --> 01:00:28.501
Everybody else has already

01:00:29.121 --> 01:00:29.943
had some sort of formal

01:00:29.983 --> 01:00:30.702
commitment out there.

01:00:31.623 --> 01:00:34.945
Hayden to Colorado and then

01:00:35.867 --> 01:00:36.746
Greedy Vance Jr.

01:00:36.766 --> 01:00:37.568
to USC.

01:00:37.608 --> 01:00:38.547
All right.

01:00:39.309 --> 01:00:40.389
We kind of talked about it

01:00:40.429 --> 01:00:42.311
last week and now we're seeing it here.

01:00:43.771 --> 01:00:44.833
We got three spots.

01:00:45.413 --> 01:00:46.494
Y'all take a look at this.

01:00:48.817 --> 01:00:50.297
if you're out there listening tonight,

01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:53.639
who are your three?

01:00:54.621 --> 01:00:55.721
So if y'all want to put it in the chat,

01:00:55.740 --> 01:00:56.501
we'll put it up here.

01:00:56.541 --> 01:01:00.324
But I'm going to go with –

01:01:00.324 --> 01:01:01.403
which one of y'all are really ready?

01:01:03.164 --> 01:01:05.146
Anybody who can play offensive line,

01:01:06.686 --> 01:01:07.507
we need one.

01:01:09.411 --> 01:01:10.632
We need one.

01:01:10.733 --> 01:01:11.572
I'll do one.

01:01:11.813 --> 01:01:13.293
I've never watched any tape

01:01:13.893 --> 01:01:14.994
on Christopher Adams,

01:01:15.614 --> 01:01:17.155
but it says he's an offensive tackle.

01:01:17.755 --> 01:01:18.876
Can you come in and push

01:01:18.916 --> 01:01:19.856
somebody to play better?

01:01:20.356 --> 01:01:21.436
That's all I'm asking.

01:01:21.456 --> 01:01:23.677
All right, so that's consensus then.

01:01:23.697 --> 01:01:25.257
We all believe the offensive line.

01:01:25.677 --> 01:01:25.958
Yes.

01:01:26.277 --> 01:01:26.398
Brian?

01:01:27.918 --> 01:01:28.398
Consensus?

01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:29.059
Yes.

01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.822
So if you want me to give three,

01:01:31.862 --> 01:01:32.782
I can give three right now.

01:01:32.802 --> 01:01:33.623
All right.

01:01:33.943 --> 01:01:35.443
Well, we know offensive lines won.

01:01:35.483 --> 01:01:37.045
So who are your other two?

01:01:37.065 --> 01:01:37.605
All right.

01:01:37.684 --> 01:01:39.365
So we got if I had to pick

01:01:39.445 --> 01:01:43.628
three names off this list, give me Adams,

01:01:43.768 --> 01:01:45.849
give me Caleb Spencer and

01:01:46.070 --> 01:01:47.251
give me a pick them between

01:01:47.311 --> 01:01:49.273
Ramone Brown or Penny Boone.

01:01:50.012 --> 01:01:51.514
Boone more immediate upside.

01:01:51.554 --> 01:01:53.295
I think Brown has more eligibility.

01:01:53.355 --> 01:01:55.056
So it's just kind of a pick

01:01:55.076 --> 01:01:55.836
your poison with that.

01:01:57.431 --> 01:01:57.672
All right.

01:02:00.394 --> 01:02:02.076
Tally, we know Chris Adams.

01:02:02.596 --> 01:02:03.476
Go ahead, write it on.

01:02:03.697 --> 01:02:04.797
Yeah, so Chris Adams.

01:02:04.838 --> 01:02:06.519
We'll say Chris Adams just

01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:07.199
because I see it.

01:02:07.300 --> 01:02:08.380
You know, offensive tackle.

01:02:09.362 --> 01:02:11.262
I'm going to say Ramon Brown.

01:02:11.282 --> 01:02:13.344
He's visited too much for

01:02:13.364 --> 01:02:14.565
them to have ruled him out

01:02:14.646 --> 01:02:15.646
or him not to be coming.

01:02:15.666 --> 01:02:16.648
He's still been visiting.

01:02:16.668 --> 01:02:18.009
I think he just came up for

01:02:18.028 --> 01:02:18.789
the spring game.

01:02:18.829 --> 01:02:19.911
So, hell,

01:02:19.951 --> 01:02:21.331
he might – I don't know what he's doing,

01:02:21.391 --> 01:02:22.320
but –

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.621
I'm going to say Ramon Brown.

01:02:23.661 --> 01:02:25.121
I feel like I'm still salty

01:02:25.141 --> 01:02:27.041
because we lost that

01:02:27.081 --> 01:02:27.842
recruiting battle and he

01:02:27.882 --> 01:02:28.643
went to Maryland.

01:02:28.682 --> 01:02:31.202
So just for my own selfish reasons,

01:02:31.342 --> 01:02:31.822
give me him.

01:02:32.563 --> 01:02:34.983
And, I mean, safety-wise, man,

01:02:35.023 --> 01:02:38.364
just any – hell, the LSU safety.

01:02:38.764 --> 01:02:39.565
You know, I'll take him.

01:02:40.206 --> 01:02:41.826
You know, I would say Caleb Spencer,

01:02:41.846 --> 01:02:45.367
but he comes from that

01:02:45.427 --> 01:02:46.746
private school there in Virginia,

01:02:46.766 --> 01:02:47.567
and I don't think that

01:02:47.608 --> 01:02:49.706
they're real high on –

01:02:49.706 --> 01:02:50.987
Like that's what Cartman came from.

01:02:51.248 --> 01:02:52.650
So I think he's the only kid.

01:02:53.150 --> 01:02:53.311
Yeah,

01:02:53.331 --> 01:02:54.652
I think he's the only kid that we got

01:02:54.692 --> 01:02:55.032
from them.

01:02:55.773 --> 01:02:58.695
So I don't see that working out for us.

01:02:59.297 --> 01:02:59.817
I'll take him,

01:03:00.057 --> 01:03:01.438
but I just don't see it working out.

01:03:01.458 --> 01:03:02.880
All right, all right.

01:03:03.902 --> 01:03:05.523
I'm not far behind y'all.

01:03:08.065 --> 01:03:08.967
Adams is definite.

01:03:09.967 --> 01:03:10.487
Get him in here.

01:03:10.588 --> 01:03:11.849
And Totale, to your point,

01:03:13.652 --> 01:03:15.032
regardless what the tape says,

01:03:15.472 --> 01:03:16.373
make it say something,

01:03:16.393 --> 01:03:17.293
make a statement to make

01:03:17.414 --> 01:03:18.594
other people play better.

01:03:19.255 --> 01:03:20.416
Like he's coming.

01:03:20.536 --> 01:03:22.217
He's got two years of eligibility left.

01:03:22.356 --> 01:03:24.257
You want your job beat him out.

01:03:25.237 --> 01:03:30.240
Um, and the next one I'm with y'all.

01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:31.422
It's gotta be a running back.

01:03:32.101 --> 01:03:36.523
Uh, to me, it's, it's gotta be Ramon.

01:03:36.543 --> 01:03:36.824
If they,

01:03:37.025 --> 01:03:38.224
if they offer another one in the

01:03:38.264 --> 01:03:39.925
next few days here, that's great.

01:03:39.985 --> 01:03:40.646
Let's do it.

01:03:41.306 --> 01:03:41.427
Um,

01:03:42.563 --> 01:03:44.123
just because with Penny Boone, it's,

01:03:45.043 --> 01:03:45.324
you know,

01:03:45.884 --> 01:03:47.085
unless you tell me Malachi

01:03:47.125 --> 01:03:47.945
Thomas is leaving,

01:03:48.224 --> 01:03:49.186
which if that happens yet,

01:03:49.405 --> 01:03:50.206
pull the trigger on Penny

01:03:50.246 --> 01:03:50.865
Boone real quick.

01:03:51.547 --> 01:03:51.827
Cause then,

01:03:51.907 --> 01:03:53.146
cause you need your one be there.

01:03:54.007 --> 01:03:55.148
Um, or your, or your two,

01:03:56.349 --> 01:03:57.728
the last one I'm a little

01:03:57.789 --> 01:04:00.730
torn about because yes,

01:04:00.750 --> 01:04:01.931
do we need safety help?

01:04:02.391 --> 01:04:02.990
Absolutely.

01:04:03.911 --> 01:04:05.211
Um, you know,

01:04:05.251 --> 01:04:06.552
right now it's Strowman Phillips.

01:04:07.092 --> 01:04:08.753
Where's Quentin at?

01:04:08.773 --> 01:04:08.813
Um,

01:04:10.996 --> 01:04:14.438
But I keep leaning because

01:04:14.518 --> 01:04:17.878
they made – there's two offers out there,

01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:19.420
the kid from Arkansas State

01:04:19.460 --> 01:04:20.519
and the kid from Yale.

01:04:22.641 --> 01:04:25.041
I think with CJ going down –

01:04:25.041 --> 01:04:26.063
and I know I mentioned they

01:04:26.063 --> 01:04:27.362
– obviously we saw a little

01:04:27.382 --> 01:04:28.344
stuff from Jason Abbey.

01:04:28.384 --> 01:04:30.065
We saw a little stuff from James Jeanette,

01:04:30.125 --> 01:04:30.344
right?

01:04:30.364 --> 01:04:30.525
Yeah.

01:04:31.436 --> 01:04:33.219
I think they don't feel

01:04:33.260 --> 01:04:34.360
completely comfortable with

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:35.302
a fourth defensive end.

01:04:35.862 --> 01:04:36.384
So for me,

01:04:36.443 --> 01:04:38.025
give me a defensive end because

01:04:38.065 --> 01:04:39.266
if we're rushing the passer,

01:04:39.907 --> 01:04:43.132
we may not need the best back-end play.

01:04:43.974 --> 01:04:46.456
So I'll take – just because

01:04:46.476 --> 01:04:47.577
his name's Larry.

01:04:47.798 --> 01:04:48.480
Give me Ezekiel.

01:04:49.695 --> 01:04:51.597
So I'm kind of with you on

01:04:51.617 --> 01:04:52.297
that a little bit,

01:04:52.396 --> 01:04:53.856
but you still got to have

01:04:53.916 --> 01:04:55.137
safety help in the run game.

01:04:55.157 --> 01:04:56.338
So that's going to be important too.

01:04:56.838 --> 01:04:58.358
But don't sleep on,

01:04:58.778 --> 01:05:01.079
on maybe Dionnie Hill being

01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.679
that kind of nickel safety

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.181
hybrid that we saw that our,

01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:07.541
our buddy David Cunningham

01:05:07.581 --> 01:05:08.601
mentioned last time he was on there,

01:05:08.641 --> 01:05:10.961
that Taye Daly type that

01:05:10.981 --> 01:05:11.882
could maybe come in and

01:05:11.902 --> 01:05:12.702
kind of play that like a

01:05:12.762 --> 01:05:13.922
little bit of swing nickel

01:05:14.202 --> 01:05:17.063
and safety and be that type of player.

01:05:17.123 --> 01:05:17.864
So yeah,

01:05:18.043 --> 01:05:19.844
That might be the option

01:05:19.885 --> 01:05:22.224
that kind of shores up nickel,

01:05:23.045 --> 01:05:25.766
shores up safety, all-in-one player.

01:05:26.626 --> 01:05:28.467
And that might be something

01:05:28.487 --> 01:05:29.668
that we go if we're trying

01:05:29.688 --> 01:05:31.387
to go that route to help

01:05:31.407 --> 01:05:32.708
with the nickel position as well.

01:05:33.588 --> 01:05:35.528
Here's a question for Curtis right quick.

01:05:35.869 --> 01:05:36.068
Yeah.

01:05:36.469 --> 01:05:37.510
Because we've talked a lot,

01:05:37.530 --> 01:05:39.230
and I don't think none of us have said it,

01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:40.951
so I know you're the more analytical one.

01:05:43.791 --> 01:05:45.211
We know who Kyron Drones is.

01:05:46.373 --> 01:05:47.612
We know who Pop Watson is.

01:05:48.829 --> 01:05:49.831
You testify.

01:05:50.010 --> 01:05:51.231
I know what you're about to say.

01:05:51.472 --> 01:05:52.952
Who else is in the quarterback room?

01:05:53.313 --> 01:05:53.833
That's true.

01:05:54.173 --> 01:05:55.414
And we did offer the kid

01:05:55.434 --> 01:05:57.155
from UCLA who played last year.

01:05:57.775 --> 01:05:58.016
Right.

01:05:58.195 --> 01:05:59.036
So I was about to say,

01:05:59.056 --> 01:06:03.000
do we got to get a quarterback, Curtis?

01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.000
What are we doing?

01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:06.121
Well, if you want to play,

01:06:06.822 --> 01:06:07.802
I think what they have to

01:06:07.862 --> 01:06:09.543
do in that situation is

01:06:09.583 --> 01:06:10.985
they have to feel where Pop is.

01:06:11.425 --> 01:06:12.606
Can Pop manage the game?

01:06:13.246 --> 01:06:14.407
Is the defense good enough?

01:06:14.467 --> 01:06:15.788
Is the running game good enough?

01:06:15.847 --> 01:06:16.809
Where can Pop manage?

01:06:17.804 --> 01:06:19.985
If it's where he's not there to manage yet,

01:06:21.065 --> 01:06:22.505
maybe you take the kid.

01:06:22.545 --> 01:06:24.186
But it's also convincing

01:06:24.407 --> 01:06:25.827
this guy who played last year,

01:06:25.847 --> 01:06:26.567
go look at his numbers.

01:06:26.586 --> 01:06:28.188
He didn't have terrible numbers at UCLA,

01:06:28.407 --> 01:06:29.047
solid numbers.

01:06:29.807 --> 01:06:33.909
Convincing him, you number two at best.

01:06:34.190 --> 01:06:36.130
You might be three, but we need you.

01:06:36.670 --> 01:06:38.731
Yeah, I think the other thing is,

01:06:39.050 --> 01:06:39.291
you know,

01:06:41.043 --> 01:06:43.625
it's not just can pop manage the game.

01:06:43.784 --> 01:06:46.164
We, we know how pop plays the game, right?

01:06:46.284 --> 01:06:48.405
So you get pop in there.

01:06:48.505 --> 01:06:50.826
He's still a slightly

01:06:50.925 --> 01:06:53.047
undersized quarterback from

01:06:53.126 --> 01:06:54.507
a power five perspective.

01:06:55.367 --> 01:06:57.047
Uh, and we know how he plays the game.

01:06:57.608 --> 01:06:58.967
You know, you're, you're one rush.

01:06:59.268 --> 01:06:59.469
You're,

01:06:59.528 --> 01:07:01.188
you're one scramble away from

01:07:01.889 --> 01:07:03.248
having to get, you know,

01:07:03.469 --> 01:07:05.110
either Davi in there or,

01:07:05.864 --> 01:07:07.746
You know, a walk on in there.

01:07:09.028 --> 01:07:10.411
So that's a pretty rough

01:07:10.451 --> 01:07:11.371
situation to be in.

01:07:11.411 --> 01:07:13.353
So, I mean, I can see us going that route.

01:07:14.615 --> 01:07:16.438
You're walking a little bit of a fine line,

01:07:16.498 --> 01:07:16.697
though,

01:07:16.737 --> 01:07:18.500
because you got to bring in a guy

01:07:18.561 --> 01:07:21.603
that is comfortable with that position,

01:07:22.045 --> 01:07:22.826
knowing that.

01:07:24.251 --> 01:07:26.853
Barring something significant happen,

01:07:27.693 --> 01:07:29.355
Pop's got the keys whenever

01:07:29.414 --> 01:07:30.215
Kyron moves on.

01:07:30.715 --> 01:07:31.135
It's true.

01:07:31.155 --> 01:07:31.876
All right.

01:07:32.137 --> 01:07:33.257
I have not seen this,

01:07:33.317 --> 01:07:35.217
so did something happen?

01:07:35.257 --> 01:07:36.998
Somebody, Brian, throwing out here?

01:07:37.099 --> 01:07:38.119
I haven't seen an offer that

01:07:38.139 --> 01:07:38.820
we've offered him,

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:40.041
but I know he's in the portal.

01:07:41.402 --> 01:07:42.922
What's that kid's name?

01:07:45.003 --> 01:07:45.724
Tom Owens.

01:07:46.244 --> 01:07:47.244
I don't know who it is.

01:07:48.346 --> 01:07:49.405
Is it Zach Owens?

01:07:49.425 --> 01:07:50.047
Zach Owens.

01:07:50.367 --> 01:07:51.067
Zach Owens.

01:07:51.347 --> 01:07:51.648
All right.

01:07:52.385 --> 01:07:54.106
Yeah, no list yet.

01:07:54.166 --> 01:07:54.306
Now,

01:07:54.367 --> 01:07:56.288
I know a lot of times Colby's working

01:07:56.307 --> 01:07:57.228
throughout the day and he

01:07:57.288 --> 01:07:59.768
drops it later in the evening.

01:07:59.889 --> 01:08:03.791
So that is – see,

01:08:04.331 --> 01:08:05.050
that's why I'm going

01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:06.052
defensive end right there.

01:08:07.032 --> 01:08:09.592
Because if Cole Nelson or, God forbid,

01:08:09.893 --> 01:08:11.393
APR goes down, I mean,

01:08:11.634 --> 01:08:13.514
defensive end is not looking great.

01:08:14.675 --> 01:08:14.876
So –

01:08:16.354 --> 01:08:17.114
Again, I mean,

01:08:17.954 --> 01:08:21.257
we can look at the kid from Georgia Tech,

01:08:21.478 --> 01:08:22.059
from Baltimore.

01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:23.619
Yeah.

01:08:23.779 --> 01:08:26.042
We know Peoples is gone next year, right?

01:08:26.082 --> 01:08:27.323
We know Fuga's gone next year.

01:08:31.158 --> 01:08:32.798
What's so interesting about

01:08:32.838 --> 01:08:33.798
this is there's so many

01:08:33.859 --> 01:08:34.998
intriguing offers where we

01:08:35.038 --> 01:08:36.038
could literally go through

01:08:36.078 --> 01:08:37.119
this list and be like, yeah,

01:08:37.140 --> 01:08:37.819
that makes sense.

01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:39.319
That makes sense for this

01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:40.079
year and next year.

01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:41.421
That makes sense for the next three years.

01:08:41.461 --> 01:08:42.820
That makes sense for the next two years.

01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.502
So, again, they're being selective,

01:08:45.542 --> 01:08:47.902
but I think we stick here and say,

01:08:48.421 --> 01:08:48.622
hold on,

01:08:48.641 --> 01:08:49.882
I'm going to put this up real quick.

01:08:50.542 --> 01:08:51.523
Y'all agree with that?

01:08:52.703 --> 01:08:52.903
Yep.

01:08:56.423 --> 01:08:56.804
I agree.

01:08:56.844 --> 01:08:57.484
No comment.

01:08:57.864 --> 01:08:58.664
Nope.

01:08:58.984 --> 01:08:59.425
No comment.

01:09:00.203 --> 01:09:01.685
No, I got to come in.

01:09:01.965 --> 01:09:03.766
So, yes, I do agree with it.

01:09:04.787 --> 01:09:06.529
And as much shit as I give Grant Wells,

01:09:07.470 --> 01:09:08.372
I definitely am.

01:09:08.972 --> 01:09:11.234
Y'all know how I feel about the situation.

01:09:12.256 --> 01:09:14.738
I can't really say that because, man,

01:09:14.759 --> 01:09:16.399
we were winning those games so handily,

01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:16.720
man.

01:09:16.780 --> 01:09:19.543
And he did sacrifice a lot for the team,

01:09:19.564 --> 01:09:19.724
man.

01:09:19.764 --> 01:09:20.345
He came to a

01:09:21.217 --> 01:09:23.038
a ship that was fucked up.

01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:24.259
You know what I'm saying?

01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:26.940
So if they felt the need to get him in,

01:09:26.980 --> 01:09:28.381
man, to get him some, you know,

01:09:28.622 --> 01:09:31.203
to finish out his college career, like,

01:09:31.302 --> 01:09:32.042
I ain't mad at it.

01:09:32.422 --> 01:09:34.823
Now, I do understand what Train is saying,

01:09:35.345 --> 01:09:36.824
you know, looking to the future.

01:09:38.854 --> 01:09:39.935
That would have helped for

01:09:39.994 --> 01:09:41.176
Pop to get those snaps.

01:09:41.275 --> 01:09:43.478
But at the same time, I do understand.

01:09:43.518 --> 01:09:44.559
I think this coaching staff

01:09:44.578 --> 01:09:46.640
has a little bit of a human element.

01:09:47.002 --> 01:09:49.764
So to get him in there and

01:09:49.944 --> 01:09:50.784
give him some burn,

01:09:51.045 --> 01:09:52.707
I can't be mad at him because of that.

01:09:53.649 --> 01:09:53.809
Hell,

01:09:53.849 --> 01:09:55.911
he almost scored a 70-yard touchdown

01:09:55.970 --> 01:09:56.930
if he wouldn't have failed.

01:09:56.951 --> 01:09:57.471
So close.

01:09:57.712 --> 01:09:58.152
So close.

01:09:58.171 --> 01:09:59.172
So close.

01:09:59.733 --> 01:10:00.833
And to Curtis's point, I mean,

01:10:00.854 --> 01:10:01.854
I think right now a lot of

01:10:01.895 --> 01:10:03.194
this is dependent on what

01:10:04.055 --> 01:10:06.176
the recovery timetable is

01:10:06.198 --> 01:10:07.478
going to be like for C.J.

01:10:07.497 --> 01:10:08.219
McRae, right?

01:10:08.238 --> 01:10:09.239
Yeah, definitely.

01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:10.619
You know, we think a broken leg.

01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:11.640
You think, you know,

01:10:13.402 --> 01:10:14.802
six to eight weeks probably

01:10:14.863 --> 01:10:17.585
in terms of healing.

01:10:18.326 --> 01:10:19.506
You're probably adding another –

01:10:20.847 --> 01:10:24.091
you know, four to six in rehab.

01:10:25.072 --> 01:10:26.934
So we're probably talking

01:10:26.974 --> 01:10:30.617
about sometime... Right before camp.

01:10:30.676 --> 01:10:30.898
Yeah,

01:10:31.177 --> 01:10:32.899
we're talking about right before camp,

01:10:32.979 --> 01:10:34.201
right into camp before

01:10:34.341 --> 01:10:36.403
you're even starting to get

01:10:36.483 --> 01:10:39.265
into any sort of actual...

01:10:40.603 --> 01:10:41.663
actual recovery outside of

01:10:41.703 --> 01:10:43.625
just your typical rehab.

01:10:43.685 --> 01:10:46.587
So is a month going to be

01:10:46.627 --> 01:10:47.927
enough time to gear him up?

01:10:48.469 --> 01:10:50.729
I think if his timetable is

01:10:50.791 --> 01:10:53.271
he can be full go by end of September,

01:10:53.893 --> 01:10:54.934
defensive end is probably

01:10:54.993 --> 01:10:56.113
less of an issue because

01:10:56.154 --> 01:10:57.154
you probably aren't going to,

01:10:59.016 --> 01:10:59.676
fingers crossed,

01:10:59.716 --> 01:11:00.858
hit a major injury that's

01:11:00.877 --> 01:11:01.738
going to impact you

01:11:01.759 --> 01:11:02.918
depth-wise that quick.

01:11:04.621 --> 01:11:06.561
But if his timetable is

01:11:06.601 --> 01:11:09.685
something more like mid to late October –

01:11:09.685 --> 01:11:10.926
Yeah, go get you a defensive end.

01:11:11.447 --> 01:11:11.567
Yeah.

01:11:11.627 --> 01:11:13.167
All right, real quick,

01:11:13.268 --> 01:11:16.771
just so it's – Thomas,

01:11:16.792 --> 01:11:18.833
we'll take care of you here, man.

01:11:18.873 --> 01:11:20.295
Oh, no, Thomas, you're all good, man.

01:11:20.414 --> 01:11:22.777
It is a good comment.

01:11:23.637 --> 01:11:24.618
But I'm going to tell you

01:11:24.658 --> 01:11:25.539
all what not to do.

01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.921
If you want to waste your time,

01:11:28.122 --> 01:11:28.802
don't do it.

01:11:28.943 --> 01:11:30.024
If you want to waste time, do it.

01:11:30.604 --> 01:11:31.805
Get on three and do that

01:11:31.864 --> 01:11:32.945
transfer portal page.

01:11:33.998 --> 01:11:36.081
And just start clicking and just seeing,

01:11:36.121 --> 01:11:37.081
like, I mean,

01:11:37.921 --> 01:11:41.585
there is a – just announced

01:11:41.645 --> 01:11:42.645
a few minutes ago,

01:11:42.664 --> 01:11:46.948
a freshman safety out of

01:11:46.969 --> 01:11:48.329
Kentucky is entering the portal.

01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:51.351
Kid basically went up on rankings,

01:11:51.391 --> 01:11:51.992
and I don't know if he

01:11:52.032 --> 01:11:53.073
played last year or not.

01:11:53.172 --> 01:11:54.194
Like, you – I mean,

01:11:54.673 --> 01:11:55.895
you're talking about rabbit hole stuff.

01:11:58.037 --> 01:11:59.738
Let me go to offensive tackle now.

01:12:01.519 --> 01:12:02.060
Guy from –

01:12:04.445 --> 01:12:06.006
Dion's kicking a guy out.

01:12:06.027 --> 01:12:07.408
Looks like he's going to Syracuse.

01:12:08.467 --> 01:12:12.090
Man, what the fuck do Dion got going on,

01:12:12.149 --> 01:12:12.470
man?

01:12:13.110 --> 01:12:17.533
It's just too Hollywood for me, man.

01:12:17.872 --> 01:12:20.194
Like I said, even at the start,

01:12:20.774 --> 01:12:21.855
no shade to Dion.

01:12:21.935 --> 01:12:24.176
Everybody was all on the Dion train.

01:12:24.796 --> 01:12:25.917
I'm going to just speak from

01:12:25.938 --> 01:12:27.939
my perspective down here where I'm at.

01:12:27.998 --> 01:12:30.180
I've seen Alabama fans going

01:12:30.220 --> 01:12:31.440
and buying Colorado stuff.

01:12:32.158 --> 01:12:33.980
And I was like, yeah, Deion is cool.

01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:35.061
You know, I understand, like,

01:12:35.221 --> 01:12:37.283
we grew up watching Deion

01:12:37.323 --> 01:12:38.985
and he's flashy and stuff like that.

01:12:39.065 --> 01:12:41.387
But when you become a coach

01:12:41.427 --> 01:12:43.149
or when you get in certain positions, man,

01:12:43.189 --> 01:12:44.810
you got to – I just feel

01:12:44.850 --> 01:12:46.573
like he kind of doomed

01:12:46.613 --> 01:12:47.654
himself from the beginning

01:12:47.713 --> 01:12:48.954
because of the way that he

01:12:48.975 --> 01:12:50.476
talked and some of the stuff he said.

01:12:51.136 --> 01:12:51.377
So –

01:12:52.978 --> 01:12:54.798
When you hit rough patches in your season,

01:12:54.819 --> 01:12:56.458
like, I ain't going to feel bad for you.

01:12:56.899 --> 01:12:58.359
Now you got kids transferring out.

01:12:58.500 --> 01:12:59.520
Like, when you first got there,

01:12:59.539 --> 01:13:00.840
you told kids, oh,

01:13:00.859 --> 01:13:01.740
y'all need to jump in the

01:13:01.780 --> 01:13:03.841
portal because I'm bringing my own bags,

01:13:03.900 --> 01:13:04.921
and they lose.

01:13:05.462 --> 01:13:05.641
Man,

01:13:05.681 --> 01:13:07.002
you just got to have some kind of tact

01:13:07.042 --> 01:13:07.742
when you're coaching.

01:13:07.782 --> 01:13:10.002
So, again, Deion can do it his way,

01:13:10.042 --> 01:13:11.363
but if you do it your way like that,

01:13:11.404 --> 01:13:12.144
you got to win.

01:13:12.684 --> 01:13:13.663
You know what I'm saying?

01:13:14.545 --> 01:13:15.284
Yeah.

01:13:15.324 --> 01:13:16.864
The other part I want to ask is this,

01:13:16.885 --> 01:13:17.845
because both of y'all play

01:13:17.865 --> 01:13:19.605
in the game at high levels,

01:13:21.065 --> 01:13:22.407
especially on the lines.

01:13:23.262 --> 01:13:24.543
You keep turning – can there

01:13:24.583 --> 01:13:25.524
be any continuity?

01:13:26.845 --> 01:13:27.646
I mean – Tough.

01:13:27.886 --> 01:13:28.247
It's tough, man.

01:13:28.307 --> 01:13:29.908
I mean, for both of y'all, because, Tally,

01:13:29.929 --> 01:13:30.949
you played on – you know,

01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:31.831
you weren't a lineman,

01:13:31.850 --> 01:13:32.811
but you played at tight end.

01:13:32.832 --> 01:13:34.172
I mean, you always talk about your buddy.

01:13:34.193 --> 01:13:35.373
You knew when he was going to screw up.

01:13:35.854 --> 01:13:36.135
Yeah.

01:13:36.194 --> 01:13:36.335
Like,

01:13:36.375 --> 01:13:37.435
you knew when he was going to screw up.

01:13:37.475 --> 01:13:38.537
At least you could say, well,

01:13:39.217 --> 01:13:40.179
I got to at least give the

01:13:40.259 --> 01:13:42.740
best chip of my life to maybe save him.

01:13:43.702 --> 01:13:44.682
How tough is that?

01:13:45.684 --> 01:13:46.264
It's tough, man.

01:13:46.283 --> 01:13:47.865
You can take five five-stars.

01:13:48.502 --> 01:13:49.563
and put them on a line,

01:13:49.983 --> 01:13:52.585
and they still can struggle.

01:13:52.845 --> 01:13:53.545
You know what I'm saying?

01:13:53.564 --> 01:13:53.725
Like,

01:13:54.104 --> 01:13:55.746
it's not a given that you just go and

01:13:55.786 --> 01:13:56.667
recruit these guys,

01:13:56.707 --> 01:13:57.306
and they're going to come

01:13:57.447 --> 01:13:58.448
in and produce for you.

01:13:58.967 --> 01:14:01.470
Like, especially at offensive line.

01:14:01.510 --> 01:14:06.512
Like, offensive linemen a lot of times are,

01:14:06.533 --> 01:14:06.752
like,

01:14:06.773 --> 01:14:08.234
some of the smartest guys on the team,

01:14:08.253 --> 01:14:08.493
man.

01:14:08.514 --> 01:14:10.314
They got a lot of stuff, especially, like,

01:14:10.335 --> 01:14:11.216
your center position,

01:14:11.615 --> 01:14:12.777
calling different players out.

01:14:13.216 --> 01:14:14.818
You know, got to know where everybody is.

01:14:15.497 --> 01:14:17.840
And then the continuity, knowing –

01:14:19.220 --> 01:14:21.203
How fast this guy is going to pull.

01:14:21.604 --> 01:14:23.067
So I got to be able to take

01:14:23.127 --> 01:14:24.408
this step or not take this

01:14:24.448 --> 01:14:26.551
step for him to have his spots.

01:14:27.073 --> 01:14:27.372
You know,

01:14:27.412 --> 01:14:28.395
just different things like that

01:14:28.435 --> 01:14:29.355
that you just don't get

01:14:29.416 --> 01:14:31.158
when you continually switch

01:14:31.259 --> 01:14:32.240
up and you continuously

01:14:32.341 --> 01:14:33.502
change and things like that.

01:14:33.823 --> 01:14:35.024
What's been our problem?

01:14:35.444 --> 01:14:35.704
You know,

01:14:35.725 --> 01:14:37.945
you got different coaches coming in,

01:14:37.985 --> 01:14:39.306
and then you got different players.

01:14:39.726 --> 01:14:41.967
You can't stay with the same five linemen.

01:14:42.408 --> 01:14:42.649
Like,

01:14:43.269 --> 01:14:44.689
that's going to be a problem for them

01:14:44.710 --> 01:14:46.069
because Shadua's a talent, man.

01:14:46.090 --> 01:14:47.711
Like, Shadua's really good,

01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:49.271
but as we seen last year,

01:14:49.992 --> 01:14:50.792
if you ain't got no line,

01:14:50.813 --> 01:14:51.813
they're going to get him killed.

01:14:52.493 --> 01:14:54.574
So, who are you putting in front of him?

01:14:55.215 --> 01:14:55.975
And, you know,

01:14:56.034 --> 01:14:57.855
then when people are leaving

01:14:57.916 --> 01:14:59.237
and you got different things going on,

01:14:59.256 --> 01:14:59.417
like,

01:15:00.734 --> 01:15:02.256
I just feel like they're

01:15:02.275 --> 01:15:03.216
getting too involved with

01:15:03.237 --> 01:15:04.958
the Hollywood side of it and, oh,

01:15:04.998 --> 01:15:05.699
we need this.

01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:07.442
Or, you know, if you don't want to be here,

01:15:07.523 --> 01:15:07.882
leave.

01:15:07.922 --> 01:15:08.283
And, you know,

01:15:08.323 --> 01:15:11.287
you got the players talking

01:15:11.327 --> 01:15:12.588
about it and things like that.

01:15:12.628 --> 01:15:14.091
I just feel like, man,

01:15:14.150 --> 01:15:14.931
y'all got to go win.

01:15:15.332 --> 01:15:16.314
Y'all got to quit getting

01:15:16.354 --> 01:15:17.375
caught up in that hype.

01:15:18.563 --> 01:15:19.423
things started blowing up a

01:15:19.463 --> 01:15:20.963
little bit with McClain

01:15:20.984 --> 01:15:21.623
kind of putting them on

01:15:21.663 --> 01:15:22.564
blast a little bit.

01:15:22.625 --> 01:15:23.744
And I know,

01:15:23.805 --> 01:15:27.506
I know corner is different than, than,

01:15:27.606 --> 01:15:28.567
than offensive line.

01:15:30.068 --> 01:15:32.347
There's a whole lot more that goes into,

01:15:33.208 --> 01:15:34.109
like you can put a corner

01:15:34.128 --> 01:15:35.529
out on the island and say, go out there,

01:15:35.569 --> 01:15:37.711
you cover the best guy and

01:15:37.951 --> 01:15:39.110
you bring somebody else in

01:15:39.131 --> 01:15:39.890
that can do that.

01:15:40.011 --> 01:15:40.412
And you don't,

01:15:40.532 --> 01:15:41.532
you don't miss too much of a

01:15:41.572 --> 01:15:42.431
beat as long as you're

01:15:42.752 --> 01:15:45.113
talent wise about at the same level,

01:15:45.554 --> 01:15:46.373
offensive line.

01:15:46.434 --> 01:15:46.654
I mean,

01:15:48.091 --> 01:15:50.234
It takes so much development

01:15:50.274 --> 01:15:52.055
and it takes so much of

01:15:52.275 --> 01:15:54.077
continuity across the

01:15:54.117 --> 01:15:55.639
different positions and

01:15:55.719 --> 01:15:56.880
working with the same group

01:15:56.939 --> 01:15:57.921
and working with the right

01:15:57.980 --> 01:15:59.421
combination of talents and

01:15:59.462 --> 01:16:00.082
things like that.

01:16:00.143 --> 01:16:01.904
There's so much that you

01:16:01.923 --> 01:16:03.005
can't just go in there and

01:16:04.065 --> 01:16:05.167
tinker with multiple

01:16:05.186 --> 01:16:06.507
positions every year on

01:16:06.908 --> 01:16:08.949
that line and think you're

01:16:08.970 --> 01:16:10.811
just going to put five out

01:16:10.872 --> 01:16:12.493
there that you can bring in

01:16:12.554 --> 01:16:13.274
every year and it's going

01:16:13.293 --> 01:16:14.055
to work every time.

01:16:16.177 --> 01:16:16.838
You can do it,

01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:19.421
but you're kind of catching

01:16:19.461 --> 01:16:20.742
lightning in a bottle a little bit.

01:16:21.002 --> 01:16:23.384
We think about Duke a couple

01:16:23.444 --> 01:16:24.444
years ago when they brought

01:16:24.564 --> 01:16:27.347
in four or five G5 linemen

01:16:27.368 --> 01:16:28.809
and a couple FCS linemen,

01:16:28.828 --> 01:16:30.470
and they ended up gelling pretty quick,

01:16:30.510 --> 01:16:31.890
and things worked out for them,

01:16:31.911 --> 01:16:32.631
and they were able to kind

01:16:32.671 --> 01:16:33.733
of turn their season around.

01:16:34.132 --> 01:16:35.654
It still wasn't the best line out there,

01:16:35.694 --> 01:16:37.235
but compared to what they had before,

01:16:38.016 --> 01:16:40.065
they did a good job of –

01:16:40.065 --> 01:16:41.126
repairing that offensive

01:16:41.166 --> 01:16:42.186
line in the transfer portal.

01:16:42.226 --> 01:16:43.426
But that that's kind of the

01:16:43.487 --> 01:16:44.448
exception to the rule.

01:16:44.608 --> 01:16:45.688
Usually it's like a one or

01:16:45.868 --> 01:16:46.587
one piece or right,

01:16:46.608 --> 01:16:47.708
you bring in one guy to

01:16:47.769 --> 01:16:48.929
fill in the big hole you

01:16:48.969 --> 01:16:50.510
have that can kind of work

01:16:50.529 --> 01:16:51.989
with everybody else that's already there.

01:16:52.010 --> 01:16:53.671
And I think, you know,

01:16:54.230 --> 01:16:55.511
that's where he's getting

01:16:55.532 --> 01:16:56.391
into trouble is that

01:16:58.479 --> 01:16:59.640
some of these positions you

01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:00.921
can just bring in the best

01:17:00.981 --> 01:17:02.944
guy and it works wide

01:17:02.984 --> 01:17:03.944
receivers like that

01:17:04.024 --> 01:17:05.025
quarterbacks like that

01:17:05.126 --> 01:17:06.806
cornerbacks like that I'd

01:17:06.846 --> 01:17:08.088
say probably even defensive

01:17:08.128 --> 01:17:09.090
end is like that but not

01:17:09.170 --> 01:17:10.310
all these positions can you

01:17:10.371 --> 01:17:11.612
just bring in a guy and

01:17:11.652 --> 01:17:13.994
expect that to work time in

01:17:14.055 --> 01:17:16.737
time out so it's going to

01:17:16.756 --> 01:17:18.059
be interesting to see what

01:17:18.139 --> 01:17:20.161
happens out there um

01:17:21.802 --> 01:17:24.545
hit it and kind of reiterate to,

01:17:25.324 --> 01:17:26.966
or reemphasizing both of

01:17:27.006 --> 01:17:27.886
y'all here's Robbie.

01:17:28.606 --> 01:17:32.430
Um, so yeah, but as far as the Hokies go,

01:17:32.489 --> 01:17:35.032
hopefully in the next few days we get to,

01:17:35.292 --> 01:17:36.953
uh, see a few portal ads,

01:17:37.432 --> 01:17:38.314
see a few portal,

01:17:38.814 --> 01:17:40.015
maybe a couple more leaving.

01:17:40.034 --> 01:17:41.636
May a few guys saying they're done.

01:17:41.655 --> 01:17:41.935
Yeah.

01:17:41.956 --> 01:17:44.217
Let's get a couple of greens, uh, squares.

01:17:44.238 --> 01:17:44.557
Yeah.

01:17:44.578 --> 01:17:44.978
There you go.

01:17:44.997 --> 01:17:46.118
You want to green from Colby.

01:17:46.498 --> 01:17:46.979
And again, uh,

01:17:49.619 --> 01:17:50.621
Or, you know, be like me.

01:17:50.661 --> 01:17:51.761
Just go down to Rabbit Hole

01:17:51.862 --> 01:17:53.423
on 3 Transfer Portal and say,

01:17:53.583 --> 01:17:54.404
let's get that kid.

01:17:54.524 --> 01:17:56.086
And then put it in an email

01:17:56.166 --> 01:17:57.948
to Pry and be like, hey, yes.

01:17:57.967 --> 01:18:02.731
And the crazy thing about

01:18:02.792 --> 01:18:04.873
Curtis is he don't have time to do this.

01:18:05.113 --> 01:18:05.454
I don't.

01:18:05.614 --> 01:18:05.835
Like,

01:18:05.954 --> 01:18:07.976
he don't got time to be going on there.

01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:09.479
and going down this rabbit

01:18:09.539 --> 01:18:11.922
hole because he got so much stuff to do,

01:18:12.042 --> 01:18:15.286
work, kids, more kids, dog, wife.

01:18:16.087 --> 01:18:17.108
You got all this stuff to do,

01:18:17.167 --> 01:18:18.448
and then you go down a rabbit hole,

01:18:18.828 --> 01:18:20.029
and then you're sending us stuff.

01:18:20.171 --> 01:18:21.152
We definitely ain't got time

01:18:21.192 --> 01:18:21.671
to go down there,

01:18:21.692 --> 01:18:22.972
so we just got to get on

01:18:23.012 --> 01:18:24.435
the phone and ask you what's going on.

01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:26.421
Well, it happens.

01:18:26.440 --> 01:18:27.341
You get little breaks.

01:18:27.421 --> 01:18:28.182
You get little pockets,

01:18:28.243 --> 01:18:29.002
and you're looking at it,

01:18:29.023 --> 01:18:30.444
and that's the rabbit hole.

01:18:30.564 --> 01:18:32.947
Or it's 1030 at night, and it's like, ooh,

01:18:33.207 --> 01:18:34.427
ooh, ooh.

01:18:34.467 --> 01:18:35.588
I have avoided it, though.

01:18:35.828 --> 01:18:37.070
I have been good to avoid it.

01:18:37.831 --> 01:18:38.752
Speaking of which,

01:18:38.832 --> 01:18:42.255
going back to the Zach Owens thing, man,

01:18:42.796 --> 01:18:43.936
he put out earlier,

01:18:44.497 --> 01:18:45.858
looks like five hours ago,

01:18:46.458 --> 01:18:48.359
he's been contacted by 35 schools.

01:18:48.381 --> 01:18:49.081
We are one of them.

01:18:49.100 --> 01:18:49.942
I don't know if that means

01:18:49.962 --> 01:18:51.873
that we are officially –

01:18:51.873 --> 01:18:52.895
put an offer out there or

01:18:52.935 --> 01:18:53.536
anything like that.

01:18:53.555 --> 01:18:54.256
He ain't coming here.

01:18:57.501 --> 01:19:01.024
Everywhere from Colorado to Oklahoma.

01:19:01.565 --> 01:19:01.867
Well,

01:19:01.907 --> 01:19:02.967
didn't Colorado just sign an

01:19:03.007 --> 01:19:03.729
offensive tackle?

01:19:03.748 --> 01:19:04.449
They going to put him in the

01:19:04.489 --> 01:19:05.992
portal and take this kid instead?

01:19:06.572 --> 01:19:06.792
Maybe.

01:19:06.813 --> 01:19:06.912
Maybe.

01:19:08.458 --> 01:19:09.998
And he's listed everything.

01:19:10.019 --> 01:19:12.199
He's got G5s out there all the way up to,

01:19:12.220 --> 01:19:15.159
like I said, Oklahoma and USC.

01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:16.801
We need this Virginia bill

01:19:16.820 --> 01:19:17.961
to go ahead and kick in so

01:19:17.980 --> 01:19:20.082
we can pay for us to get.

01:19:20.942 --> 01:19:22.442
I think we can float it at this point.

01:19:22.561 --> 01:19:23.662
We can float it at this point.

01:19:23.702 --> 01:19:25.762
Yeah, let's do something.

01:19:25.783 --> 01:19:27.823
We can do the whole, what is it?

01:19:28.323 --> 01:19:29.423
It's retroactive.

01:19:29.463 --> 01:19:32.344
On July 1st, you will get your money.

01:19:32.363 --> 01:19:33.844
We're going to throw fried

01:19:33.923 --> 01:19:36.185
Oreos in until that time comes, so.

01:19:37.203 --> 01:19:38.984
We done found a place with five Oreos.

01:19:39.463 --> 01:19:41.204
That's a big boy, though.

01:19:41.385 --> 01:19:41.545
6'6", 375.

01:19:42.164 --> 01:19:43.006
That's a tank, man.

01:19:43.025 --> 01:19:44.426
I don't know if that'd work

01:19:44.445 --> 01:19:46.487
for what we do.

01:19:46.627 --> 01:19:47.686
But you probably look at the tape,

01:19:47.707 --> 01:19:50.689
he probably like 5'0 speed at 375.

01:19:50.689 --> 01:19:52.909
And I think that's a damn deal.

01:19:52.930 --> 01:19:54.029
All right.

01:19:54.229 --> 01:19:55.930
What else has happened this evening, boys?

01:19:56.451 --> 01:19:57.051
What an hour and 19.

01:19:57.150 --> 01:20:00.252
I don't think nothing, man.

01:20:01.693 --> 01:20:02.033
All righty.

01:20:02.233 --> 01:20:03.514
Well, let's wrap it up again.

01:20:03.533 --> 01:20:04.594
Wraps up.

01:20:04.954 --> 01:20:05.755
This wraps up.

01:20:07.400 --> 01:20:08.141
We're wrapping up this.

01:20:08.442 --> 01:20:09.884
Jesus Christ, I can't talk right now.

01:20:09.904 --> 01:20:10.664
Which one are you doing?

01:20:11.064 --> 01:20:12.686
I'm doing them all, man.

01:20:12.887 --> 01:20:13.809
That's going to wrap up this

01:20:13.889 --> 01:20:15.831
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