Richmond Game Recap

0:45 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast. I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian C Club, buddy, Sunday night, we watched the Richmond game yesterday. We did it was a w but how we feeling how we feeling man 9:39 when probably the second ugliest win to an FCS team? Since the twenties been here, Fuhrman was obviously the worst when literally, if not for a procedure penalty they could have recovered an onside kick. Not great, not great at all.

1:29 Everyone will also see my head turn like this quite a few times tonight is the 49ers are playing and they're not doing great. Either throwing picks down only 10 somehow but you know, Braun. It's it seems like it's a similar thing when there is lower competition. Coaching staff can't get guys up to go for blood. And it's a good to continued. It's no longer it's a trend now it's no longer a well just this will know. It's a trend and you hate to see it because games like this You know man if it's crucial for getting younger players on field to see actual speed of games.

2:16 Yeah, this is supposed to be one of those games where you get guys on the field that are going to be one of those guys that are going to Redshirt. But you want to get get their four games in there. But in their four games, you want to have one game like this where they see, you know, at least a solid 15 or 20 Right, exactly. That'd be ideal, get guys out there. You let them see, at least, you know, probably to live Series, right? And we didn't get to do that. It was. It wasn't like we had to run the clock out against Richmond against, right? That's where we are. At this point, we were out there with, with our starting offense, running the clock out against Richmond. So they didn't have a chance to get a last-minute score and then go for an onside kick, which one I put us. In infirm and territory, right?

3:09 It would have been in Furman territory. They would have scored then get the kick, so not quite there but still an 11-point win is even over a good FCS team. Like Richmond is, it's not great. Now, what we're going to do guys before we jump into some observations from the game we're going to go back and we're going to talk about two quotes that was made last Monday that coach Fuente and then to postgame quotes. So and I'm just going to read them also a lot to unload and then we're going to get into it last Monday. We said this on Wednesdays podcast, concerning red zone offense and Kyle fence in general, we stunk, you don't go down there three times and Come Away with nothing.

3:51 Not re-evaluate, talk about and look at all aspects of it. Top to bottom. We weren't very good then the next quote, but I would also say there's nobody better to iron out the minutiae. It takes to give our guys a chance to be successful. Then Brad. Kohn was a little bit different Saturday after the game and these were coach for Wednesday's quotes, not making these a thin air. They often struggle, we were pretty inconsistent to say the least. We haven't not been consistent enough to score like this and we need to score as the season goes along. Well, chunk agent demeanor Humber on.

4:33 Yeah, it's one thing to struggle off fensively against. What is, as we saw this week against Oklahoma. A pretty solid West Virginia Defense overall. That's one thing. It was a road game. It was a big test. You know, whatever you're at home against Richmond. Yep. You can't put up 21 points. Points. No, and sorry 14. Offensive point 14 offensive points. It just can't I mean it's acceptable in the here the change in the tone of being inconsistent and you know we've got to kind of find something.

5:20 It sounds like the stuff on Monday was lip service. To the Press lip service to the fans, the fans that are still completely on his side and it went to Saturday, just saying we're inconsistent essentially. He came out and just said it, we're not good on offense and you did. He said we cannot continue to be bad on offense because we're going to have to score in certain games. As we look ahead, especially starting Notre Dame, two weeks for 13 days from now. Yep. Low, the question is, will he follow through with anything?

6:02 And again, if I take the stuff from Monday, And then the stuff from Saturday, there was a change in tone, at least yet. You see the change in tone. And some point we just gotta There's just got to be ownership because I know we talked about this. A lot. We talked about, you know, the difference between the play calling issues, the execution issues, it all goes back to coaching and if you're not getting it done on the field consistently, there's a coaching problem. Well what can we can? We just look real quick college football World. Auburn's first-year head coach.

6:46 First year head coach hired his fired his wide. Coach today. We're four games in a season and he's already hired somebody. Yeah, I mean, if you're not cutting the mustard, you got to go. This is this is a division. One football isn't the the frat boy club? No, he's convinced you want football and you're getting paid a lot of money, and I'm going to say this because in terms of the play calling, this was not a awful game by Brad. But the problem that we have is that This is essentially the quarterback more or less handpicked by Brad cornelison. Yeah.

7:28 Brad cornelison is the offensive coordinator for Justin Fuente. You think what we're now seeing is had a is also the quarterbacks coach the area where we are struggling the most right now is two areas, right? So we haven't been able to run the ball consistently but our offensive line has been a fucking Patchwork. In our hand-picked quarterback is struggling to find open receivers And you're saying open receivers not throwing into Tight Windows, not seeing the Reeds. We're talking guys who were open and he did a better job Saturday and we'll get into him but it's still going back to what the tone has been with us and what that tone was Monday compared to what that Tom was Saturday.

8:09 He has to do something and he has to Justin Fuente needs to verbally, come out and say something is changing. Don't don't, don't try to hide it. Because the thing is we're smart enough fans and there's more smart fans there that are going to see. If you start calling plays, they're going to see you have the place Sheets if Notre Dame comes and we're tearing it up and they show you six times and you consistently have a place sheet there. We know that because if you're saying it, you're admitting there's a problem, right? Your yeah. That's been the big big thing is that, this this is kind of close to saying there's a problem.

8:52 But, you know, the first, the first instance of trying to solve a problem is admitting that there is one. Yeah. And that's what we have not done. Consistently is that we have. Yeah, coach Fuente is not one up there and said there is a problem. We're going to try to Take care of it. Yeah, and you know the center part Braun. This is this is kind of what I want to make a point about he literally he is friends with this guy. There's no doubt about it. You don't keep someone in your life. Roughly what? 15, 16 years that and not have a friendship. He is doing his friend to disservice because the thing is, when this ends in that, you know, it's going to end one way or the other in a few short months when this ends. Him not getting on him earlier taken away. Responsibilities trying to highlight what he does. Good what he does.

9:55 Bad. People are going to look like we're not hiring you like we looked at what you had offensive ly. You should have been scoring 35 Plus a game and you have some great designs. The people never tell you you were wrong in your life. Yeah, and that's the issues that, you know, as you said, he's going to struggle to find work after this because you're putting a product on the field that consistently has played down to competition, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Well like how effective we are on offense is almost dictated by the strength of the opponent we're playing. And that that should never be the case. You know, you can we can talk about the situational play calling and we can talk about all that other stuff because that but that's individual focuses. The big problem in the big picture I have is that we don't seem to have a good grasp of What we want from the quarterback position and how to develop it and once we put the product on the field for whatever reason that unit almost like clockwork, playing to the strength of whatever the opponent is.

11:11 We're not going out there and dictating terms to to folks that we have the strength of our roster is significantly higher than that of the opponent. Well, And that's on the individual who's doing that again. Like I've said now numerous times that I've got to make enough stand on it, it's Justin more than its Brad. I'm past Brad now and it's Justin you have to do something, you know, I mean there hasn't been a change and you know I will say it again. The thing that is for me and the reason why I say this is this is coaching not just play your execution players, not executing in a one-off scenario. So like one game Here. One game there.

11:53 Yeah, that happens. Regardless of what the coaches are doing having consistently. This problem crop up multiple times a year every year that's in coaching thing. It's telling me your coat that methodology. This is sowing his coaching / teaching. Methodology is not a good is not good, you know, you hate to say it, Brian. But you know, You've seen some people who essentially go to school to become teachers, right? And they start getting to those teaching method classes and lesson planning and what you do in the classroom and they don't know what to do it, right.

12:36 They don't like like I know the subject matter and it's like okay but you're teaching somewhere between a five-year-old or if you get into the Collegiate level people in their 20s and you know even grad school in their 30s you if you do not know how to teach them. Then it doesn't matter if you know how to do it all or you know, exactly what's going to happen and I'll always go back to my experiences. I mean I'll be straight up. I failed geometry Always felt the teacher, like my style didn't work. Next year, took it again. Got a 98 average. It was like, you teacher you how to present it better, light bulb moment, a light bulb moment and, and, and I think that's the what you're kind of saying here is. It's because we've seen it even when Gerard was here five years ago, there were some games where there are some things that were done that just didn't look right now. In after you take a dive his talent level out, you saw a little more, Josh Jackson.

13:44 You saw it a hell of a lot more with Ryan Willis because of not having the mobility. Yep. And then it really showed displayed Willis in nineteen. You had hooker come in and believe it. Say, what you will, we go through 2019 and as we get near the end of the season, it shows its face right last year, we'll throw that out but still It was teaching we had games where we were doing some just in things that baggage and you're just like, why? Teaching. So now He might be a guy that understands offensive design.

14:27 How to get players open. He doesn't understand situation situation of Lake calling in the way. It's looking for evidence is mounting more right Ron. Yeah, he can't teach and coach the position. Yeah, I mean it's getting to a point. Now when we look at the entire big picture of the quarterback situation since Justin Fuente and Brad cornelison have been in Blacksburg, it's been a complete cluster and and I'm not just saying the play, the play has at times been good but the whole situation around how we get, there has been a cluster you have You bring in Jerrod and that worked out great for a season. But there were still some, some, some things that you were looking at it was like, okay but he played well, he played his ass off, then you had JJ and then you have him coming back, getting injured.

15:36 And then just there's been so much dysfunction of Of the quarterback position. It makes you wonder, like, at some point where there's smoke. There's fire, right? I mean, you've had Jerrod leave early. Yeah, I've had JJ transfer out, you've had two other quarterbacks transfer owl. Like at some point, whether smoke? There's fire. There's a reason, these things are happening. You know, you had Jerrod best Juco quarterback in the country. Yeah. Other four stars and they're gone. And then JJ, who was a, at least as very that the very least, a solid starter Jenna, let's start the whole piece that goes is Brian.

16:23 We can sit here and you know, talk about that room but we just kind of look And let's just start blowing through running back position. Yep, we had changed when there were issues. Yeah, yeah, wide receiver position, unfortunately. The best coach in the room. We have turn over there. This is essential to making break here for that guy, and it's looking more break than make the offensive line and tight end. Say what you will, they have their moments. But overall, good, right, good. I'd say in this in the scheme of the of the five to six years. Now, you know, you give them at least a passing grade, right? You give them probably somewhere between a b - probably be - be not terrible, because you're, they put some guys in the leave you Two.

17:16 Good years. You've had one great year a good year to average years and then two years that you like B&B - and then you look on the other side of the bowl. And obviously there's been a complete turn over there. A complete turn over in a what are we seeing we're seeing eye defensive backs. Guys, get freshman all Americans Jermaine wohlers working his way towards being a high around graphic and Green Bay scored. We need to put Tre Lansing Sidebar. No, just do it, just do it 80s. You know, we we've seen the safety plan or some people were not impressed with Jam last year, safety plays look better. This year, it's not where I want it.

17:58 And obviously, Jack Tyler coming building. JC Billington built. We've seen turnover at all those positions. Yeah, he's one position. There's one J&J. See, wasn't even on the field for this game because that wasn't the covid pole. So, there's one position there has been zero. No, turn over it. And super not, not average play, not average play at times failure. Play Because I would give that room ad a solid D. Right, I mean right now. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. It's borderline F. It's D - right now in my eyes, it's tough, it's tough. All right, Ron.

18:44 Before we get on to looking at some highlights of the game, some things we noticed. There we are going to take a quick balls, pause for a message from our digital Partners. All right, Brian. Let's start with this. Can we just say this? And we can argue who creates it. Our opening game Drive scripts, 90% of the time, or money. I'm getting money. We script a hell of a hell of a drive. And then after that, we don't know what to do. And if the script doesn't work, we really don't know what to do. So, for example, of the script not working, see, Middle Tennessee State.

19:27 Yeah. Which look what? When we see the skirt, not working. We also see very plain vanilla, But in this case Brian I mean some just a good mix of pass and runs what did you see on that opening drive that really caught your eye? What plays? So the big plate of tree out the gate, the little cross country, Sprint out, good play at the gate to get some big yards, get us on the Move. We had outside Zone to Holston 19 yards. Got us into the Red Zone and then we had play action pose to Trey Turner gets the Toe tap there in the back of the end zone. Good guys, up 7.

20:10 Nothing really good drive out. The gate and everyone in Hokie nation is thinking all right. This is what we like to see. This is you know at that point the expectations went. Okay this is this is going to be a traditional FCS type game. We're going to go out there and make some noise and then the rest of the game happen Exactly. So we're not going to focus on game by game. We're going to start out here after that. Let's talk about Bryce and we've already mentioned you know sort of criticizing the room hold on a second. All you have to do at the kicker, get you Shannon huge run back on the board.

20:54 Let's talk about BB and we've already mentioned it coaching is not all play calling. We've already covered that point. So, but, you know, we've been questioning for weeks for on, you know, is he injured as you entered? We're not seeing the read option. We're not seeing the read option. I think that's off the table now. It seems so even though we put some design runs back into the offense this week, the read option is still a non-existent factor, you know, all those handoffs to Holston and Blackshear, I mean BB's pretty much just carrying out a fake. That's not, that's not him, making decision to keep their. I'm thinking.

21:38 I don't know if they're taking it out to keep him healthy, or just play it safe or what but not having that. Element in our offense is a detriment to the offense. Well, hold on. If you're, if you're going to say that run then why are you designing sweeps and having him run a power? If he's to like hurt or you're trying to protect him, you wouldn't even put those in the Playbook. You would just say scramble and you can, you would think so. And I think another problem is that, you know, sometimes he's scrambling when he shouldn't. So I'll give you an example here. Okay, I'll give an example here. Second drive we could have been up. Nothing. Because at our 32-yard line it was about think like eight minutes left in the first quarter.

22:24 Okay, play to ended up Braxton kept it ran outside. Got a first down. I mean look like a good run on but looking at looking back at it. Caleb ran wide wide fucking wide open, the quarterback came on a blitz, the safety jumped in the box, and Caleb Smith is running wide. Open down the left sideline and Braxton did not even look his way. And it was open at the snap. It wasn't like it came open.

23:06 It was open. All the way. So even if he doesn't do the launch downfield, he could hit him like 15 yards in stride and just kept running. If he looked his way any point of his drop back, he would have been able to throw the ball to him. He wears his first read. Where did look like his first read was because well it looked like his first read was in the middle of the field. Was it raised his eyes weren't turned this way. Was it to his blind side or was it to his face side? So it looked like, it'd be like I said, looked like he was right down the middle. Like looking down the middle, I don't know, I'm asking. Where is it a blitz come from? I'm you got to remember. I'm the blitz come from Blindside.

23:49 Okay, so it will still if he's looking in the middle and if it's that safety coming down into the box that he should have immediately recognized to go here. Why is the safety here? Look left. And seeing okay, let's digress on that he's missed. I'll give this to him. He's making some, he's making some boneheaded reads. So again, we've already hit on it. What's being discussed behind closed doors but I'll say this, he gives his Guys, an opportunity, he gets the pass his right. He gives the guys an opportunity to catch the ball. That tray that deep last a trade in the second half, right?

24:31 And then, like the crossing pattern, some of the plays to Tavian think about it. He called those guys in stride. So when he gets his read and throws on time, it looks good. The problem is that, it's so inconsistent with both of those things, and, again, at this point, I'm not, I'm not even mad at Braxton, because Either, this should have been recognized way before. Now we shouldn't, we shouldn't be in week 4 and we're still At this point, he hasn't been coached enough to say, hey Braxton, you need to keep, you know, be a little more cognizant of the pocket.

25:14 Not try to look to run out of the pocket as fast. Hey make sure you're getting these reads. We saw that you missed a couple here. You got to make sure you going through your progressions before you make a decision to tuck and run or do something different. Yeah, unless his we mean, unless you just the pressures there and you can't yeah, your s and Sometimes it's just you know, antsy feet in the in the pocket like it and that's it. These are coachable things, but it hasn't been coached, it seems like keep right now and I think that's where my frustration is. And like I said, if it was a one-off game where we saw some of these things it is it's not, it's not that it's not one off and we see him the Carolina game with the play with Trey.

26:04 That the coverage was blown. He throws it. Yeah, down back game is a lot is a lot easier. Thank you for throwing that. Sorry, it's a new In The End Zone. 19 seconds left. We have no time outs but I'm cool with. There we go. People are gonna be like San Francisco fan. Yeah, if the Colts are playing I'll trust me. When we do this in a few weeks, Brian with the Colts and Niners playing. That's going to be a fun one for us. Three hours later. Yeah. Y'all are going to enjoy that one. All right, so Brian's already mentioned it. But where the f is the read option play. It's freaking absolutely killing killing. I run game because there's no threat of it. They're keying in on wherever they're running, back is going and they are attacking it, the defensive ends are crashing and you feel Ron if nothing else.

27:00 If? If we just did it one time Lanes would start reopening. And I know this isn't Khalil Herbert. We we have some vision problems you know, somebody quit one out there today about King missing a wide open hole, but that's again that's a teachable thing but we're thinking our Playbook one of the ways we can significantly help this offense in this corner back. You're putting more pressure on the running backs than you need to Yes, you're putting more pressure on the offensive line than you need to. And I'm not sure what the endgame benefit is for Braxton because he still running the football in design runs and scrambling like unless you're treating the entire situation with kid gloves, take the training wheels off. And let's run this mother for like at some point. At some point, we just we have to take the training wheels off of Offense because we've seen that he's been struggling, picking up some of the reeds in the passing game, but we're also, we're not fully unleashing, his potential in the running game, we're not and I'd and we said preseason, we don't want to run him to the point where we're we're getting him hurt because we need, you know, and I said it last week. The problem is that this offense is held back by Braxton's play. This offense is also buoyed by

28:32 By Braxton's play because of his ability to run the ball and the classic is a classic Catch-22. And, but we're still, we're training wheels. The, the running game because we're not using the read option, and it makes no sense, it doesn't no sense because if that was starting, this is me being again, the novice and I say that a lot, but folks, but if that read option element, Was there easier runs easier play fakes easier for for that first reader that second read because you're running something guys aren't going to be right in their spot.

29:16 So instead of having to throw a perfect ball Can we just catch a freaking ball in the end zone instead of having to catch a perfect, throw a perfect ball? You don't dip and it makes no sense in embalming. If we come out in two weeks and we are were doing it and it's in it's just confusing Notre Dame to know, ends, great, you held it out a month. You also lost a game in that month where we know for a fact that there were somewhere between at least one touchdown and probably 40 to 50 more yards. if we had held at all times, all right, yeah, that that's a big problem, you know, when we talk about The read option.

29:59 The big thing that we need to look at is that you know who's paying attention to the read option, right? So we know what, we know that there's the option guy that and that Defenders always going to have to honor it to a degree you're probably going to. You usually see that kind of squeeze and pop technique that Oregon made famous and and pretty much any four-man front defense. That that that's the type of technique they employ 22. Stop the read option. But usually also the linebackers have to have some sort of play on that as well. You don't want to get over influenced in the, in the, in the Run game. But right now they're paying their giving absolutely no. No respect to Braxton keeping it in the read option. None.

30:53 Well, we just saw, there was a little jet motion. Little option, play trailer, Lance runs it. Watch What Happens right here. Just that's beautiful. All right, Ron, that was a great play. By the offensive line by the Silverback himself just killing somebody. Let's talk about our offensive line. It's a patchwork right now, buddy. We had we had Lucy this Smith slide over to the left. Tackle this week, we had Brock slide over to left guard. Then we had Johnny Jordan at Center. We had Caden more at Right Guard and then we had Luke 2, Nu du out there, right?

31:40 Tackle back to his old stomping grounds. So it was, it was definitely a switch up there and There were some good things. I saw with this new lineup, there was some bad. I mean, the good. I think, let's see this Smith held up as good as any tackle that we've played this whole season. So okay, good job there. I didn't see any major problems with and past Pro for him. There was a couple I think Braxton took, maybe one or two hits because because everybody I don't think he gave up a sack. Did a pretty good job holding it down. Brock had a better game, not having to play tackle so good for him.

32:29 We still had a little bit more penetration than I'd like to on on the runs and that kind of stopped some of what we were trying to do on the interior there. So I think some of that is a work in progress. You're probably not getting quite as as good of a Interior combo with moving. Lizzie this out there to tackle. The Interiors, probably taking a little step back here. Okay, can I ask this question? Yep. Do you see a better combo being when Silas comes back because it was mentioned that they don't think his foot is a long-term deal. I hear that. I think he's probably back by Notre Dame because that would be essentially, three weeks, help out.

33:14 Yep. Do you see us? Back and going to new to see this Johnny Brock Silas. That's the big question, man. I think tenuta is the better of the two between Silas and and, and loot. It's going it's going to be tough, man, because we said at the beginning of the year that depth especially tackled depth, is the problem and we're already seeing it in four games in. It didn't take very long and we knew that they would have some ability to swap guys around. So I feel like we're still, we're not underwater yet but we're officially in Treading Water mode. Until Silas is good to go again and even then I think there's still some question marks about what that that that line that's going to look like is too new to moving back over like What are we going to see there?

34:20 Yeah, I mean because 22 new to has had ups and downs at left tackle. He hasn't looked great. He hasn't looked awful, he's just looked mid and that's kind of what we thought he was going to be at left. Tackle is Because, unless we saw him take a big step, you know, past Pro was still a problem for him last year and it's been a little bit of a problem this year. He hasn't taken a big step. It's been a baby step and unfortunately that's When you lose a Christian Daris, all who was in past Pro, as good as they get, probably, the best left tackle last year in college football, because you can give us some credit. I mean, that's that's a big drop off and, you know, some of that is hurt.

35:06 Braxton's play. I think, you know, when we saw Braxton play last year, the end of last year he was playing behind at that point. We had gotten as healthy as we had been all year on the offensive line and the offensive line was a strength of ours throughout the year was. But at that point and usually don't see it that late. But the offensive line had actually gotten back into healthy because Had missed two new to for several games during the year because a 1 because the covid he had a Nick. At one point we had other guys that were kind of in and out because the covid in and out for other reasons. Yeah. And we had finally gotten what it seemed like you know as healthy and we saw behind that Braixen having some success. And so I don't know if the not being comfortable in the pocket is an extension of this line.

35:59 Just not being what would last year's was Or what? But he really interesting to see what what it looks like once. Al's is healthy. Again, whether we stick with Le cetus at one of the tackle positions or whether something else happens, all right. It's going to be really interesting to see what line rolls out from Notre, Dame, what? Yeah, I'm Nation you go with again, I think Katie Maurice plate. Followed for a redshirt freshman, or is it again, do they make that sort of change to wear like, And we need to get our A's in gear. And you know what, the seat us is our better combos going to see this left to neuter, right?

36:42 We'll put Silas down at Right Guard. Will keep Johnny at Center and we'll let brought play left guard. Or something in that combination because I don't think the offensive line has been terrible this year. No, no, it's been, it's been a roller coaster. It's been a roller coaster and I think that's, that's the big issue is that you don't know what to expect from it snap by snap because they'll have a have one Snapper, they're doing everything, right? And then they turn around and you know, you got pressure, that's Blowing up a running play or you got somebody coming on blocked off the edge and sacking Braxton.

37:27 I mean, there's, there's just so many inconsistent plays and not just the inconsistent that you see over the course of a standard game but just really, really high highs and low lows, very true. No, well, let's say this brine two guys that when they get the balls in their hands have done it very well. This year tray and tape both really good days catching the ball. Tray over 110 a with 76, and then you don't take on top of what he did in the punt game, over 140 yards from scrimmage and it's again, I have some people say, well we don't have talent. We can't. When you get these guys in the right positions and today they were put out yesterday, they were put in the right position we can, we can have nice things. Yeah, the question is, is they don't get put in right positions enough We actually ran some.

38:22 Well, that's just say. Initially on the first drive, we ran some routes over the middle of the field and then they completely went away for a quarter and a half. And then we finally went back. Another post, we had a dig and we had a slant and I'm like we can throw to the middle again because I thought, I thought somebody upstairs said, all right we're not throwing in the middle of the rest of the damn game. Everything's outside the numbers. We finally started throwing back to the middle of the field. And we started getting a little bit more success. The problem was that nothing was sustained. And You know, Trey had about three big plays and was pretty steady throughout the day, you note a had a couple balls that were threat that where he was open in the ball wasn't thrown well to him a couple other places where he was opening just in get there.

39:15 So I mean, these are, these are good days. That could have been great days if we would have been a little bit more consistent execution-wise. And you know, what can we say about tail on that? That kick return? I mean, that punt return. I mean, that was just all that wide, cut up field, cut back, touchdown and beautiful. It was absent watch and, and that punter, got completely railed on the sidelines, because he out kicked his coverage. And then he did a very bad job of being the last line of defense. Honors, our last line, but offense Ron.

39:56 But again, those two guys were great days. All right, let's go to gigantic screw-ups or what the hell moments less sorts of all. I listen to the presser afterwards, the fake punt for, when they took absolutely 1000% responsibility for, he said that they had noticed that with Richmond, anytime they punted their Gunners essentially left. The guys. Yep. So they would just leave their guys. I'm assuming setting up blocking. He says, we punted the first time and they did it. So on the second time we punted, we felt there was an opportunity there, and then he said, kind of the way he said, did you hear his voice was more of a joking thing of Peter had slung the ball? Good.

40:46 All week. When we were trying these fakes hell, I told him. You know, if you hadn't thrown the ball so good. All week, I don't even thought about, you know, calling for calls for the guys open. It's a bad pass, you know, if it was Dorian strong, he was, he was targeting their bad. And I mean, he came open, just like, they had seen on tape. And, you know, I think the weird thing is number one, you felt the need to do that. Number two, Did you rep? I mean, did you wrap it enough? We're more was comfortable with it, because obviously, what was it? Look ready to throw?

41:27 A 25 yard pass? My looks okay with that. I'm okay with that. If the pass is completed, actually, regardless, whether the past was completed or incomplete, every time we are in a plus situation, was it plus 42? I think that's where we were, that sound, right? Simpler it. Let me pull up the summary here on my phone. Efforting, efforting efforts. He had 14 after teen.

42:09 This is it right here? Yes, second part. We were at their 41. So we were in plus territory. I think what you can do by putting it on tape? Regardless of outcome is if it's a situation like that in plus territory and you go back and show pot, there does have to be a respect, right? There has to be a respect to show. Okay. Listen these dummies, you know, they ran a fake punt against Richmond. Would they do it against us? Let's, let's play. Let's Play A prevent or let's play. Very cautious punt, return or punt. Block.

42:53 I'm okay with that. And I'm also going to the ownership. Yeah, I've got no problem with the ownership. I've got a problem with. You've got Notre. Dame up next. And I would much rather them not show their hand and spring something like that against Notre Dame. And whether they work or not, then put it on tape and maybe gain an extra five to seven yards of field position because they honored the The fake, that's all where they punted from Braun 527 yards. Could mean being from the tend to be in at like the to. So you know I can argue with you that way because the way the defense is played.

43:38 If you tell me we have a team with the quarterback like Jack cone who can't run. We could probably get him down in the end zone or something. Yeah but if we're kicking from the 41 I like Peter Morris chances of getting it, okay? There regardless of what's Happening. You got it. Got you got you because he is a stud. All right, let's go to the other mind-boggling thing. I didn't get to see this live. So Brian, we're inside the 10-yard line. It's only a seven. Nothing game. Yeah, we come out of commercial. And they talk about knocks Kata me quarterback. Let me ask the first. Words are the first thing that popped in your mind. What the hell are we doing? And in this is no knock on Knox.

44:25 I mean, I thought this was a game where and even based on the the explanation we got regardless of score getting knocked snaps would have been a good thing in this game. The problem is when you did it, you did it when you're only up a touchdown. So the game is definitely not in hand, and you did it inside the test again. Well and this is where I feel like it was more of the different tones to brag because he said it in the pressure. The timing of him going in was not prescribed, you know, it wasn't a deal where one guy has to be looking over his shoulder. The facts were, he was going to play, and it's going to the whole not. Prescribed thing, is they hadn't determined before, this wasn't third drive or fourth drive, whatever it was Knox is going in.

45:14 This was for whatever reason. They decided that this was the best time. Put in knocks kadem. Well in the question is who decided? Yeah it sounds like it wasn't fuu. No, no no just too because of the way he said it right there is decision but again he sounds like he lets Brad do do what he wants. Yeah. So I mean that was the big thing because he gets down there and I feel like the play calling wasn't great. We had a the where he threw Who the Pick? It was kind of like a little quick Sprint, right. Yeah. Which a quick Sprint on the 6-yard line, puts you in the end zone and he was getting Bear Down on and didn't throw the the route on time and then once he saw he was in the end zone and might take a sack panicked and chucked it choked it and it was it was about two seconds, too late. If he'd have thrown that on time, it would have probably been a completion, but he threw it late. Corner undercut, the route or sorry, safety, undercut the route.

46:21 And and you gotta got interception if he takes it on his third step from sprinting and puts it at a, it's a 15-yard gain. All is all is well, but he didn't. And essentially it said up there, only touchdown of the day and for what they went on like oh, he's got to be secure, it's like you put the back up in a terrible y'all put the back up in a terrible situation. Now if you're if you're a good head coach, when you see Enochs coming going out there or coming to you to discuss. And I don't know how that would go since it was, you know, it wasn't the beginning of a drive. It was a punt. I know things are done differently. I would have went on my headset when we put my headset on here.

47:03 What the hell are you thinking? I'm Knox isn't going to go out here at the 10th if we're at the 40. Yeah let's let him go. We're at the 10-yard line. This is the one touchdown me and essentially it it it made the game even more uncomfortable or than it was. So yeah. In the the problem that I had with that is that when you bring in a quarterback, your second string quarterback what you want to do is give him some play calls that get him comfortable. When you're at the 6-yard line you cannot make those calls. Everything is tight. And you made tight calls and then he played tight because he was put in the situation where he's almost set up to fail.

47:47 It was they hate that for Knox. I mean, regardless of the outcome of the game or how it impacted the game, I hate that for Knox and his confidence because you put him in a scenario where he either feels really good or really bad about himself. There wasn't going to be any sort of Middle Ground there, right? Well he's either going to he was either going to throw them out of the Shadows. Do their own goal post or he's going to make the play he made and not really not see the field the rest of the game. And that's the unfortunate thing there because you put him in that scenario where more than likely he's going to, he's going to have a failure. So I don't like that at all. Well, Brian, we finally saw the third quarter back again this week.

48:36 Kind of Berlin scores a touchdown. And all I thought was a nice all that. Where the hell was that? When we play West Virginia, fourth and one inside the five like it, which I'm inside the five, all three of them. And every time you go to is, especially when we were down inside the three twice, the that's when it just. It boggles me because you saw the play, we're an easy touchdown. I want to make a bet. That one work would have probably got it in at least once if not twice it, put in those situations again guy running the show, don't know what he doing, but can we just, can we continue to use the guy right?

49:20 Brian. I mean situationally like we've been calling for that we were calling for for two years, when Quincy Patterson was here. And we were calling or against West Virginia and we were saying from jump, Treat let. I mean Braxton's. Not the biggest quarterback in the world you know, you're already gunshot on the read option. If you want to actually have some of those elements in the offense, you need to get Connor blumberg on the field as much as you can. Absolutely, this is all I'm going to say, Notre Dame game in two weeks. If we are third and one or fourth and one or inside the three in Connors, not in with some sort of play. I'm going to swing by your house middle of the game. We're going to turn on radio Wilson to laze, burn up in West. We're going to drive to Blacksburg, and we're going to sit outside merryman, great for Brad to come out. And be light.

50:19 Seriously like Perfect Situation. Exactly. LeBron all is not lost. The defense, played exceptionally well again and I tell you the more I watch this defense. This defense is reminding me of the 2016 defense. Not one of the elite defense has not not not what 17 was or the mid 2000's or the you know late 90s but it reminded me of 2016. We're at defense gave up roughly about 22 points a game. About. I think they were 29th or 30th in Total Defense so they, you know, that upper third of the thing. This is what they're really reminded me of, because they're Bend or break, you can get some yards on them, but eventually you're going to get to a point of field, you can Get to a point of the field.

51:09 You can't get to a point in the field where they make a play you're up. And now you're either out of field goal range, or you, you forced a turnover. Yeah, we've seen that a couple times so far with this defense where you know they get they get inside the 30 but all of a sudden they end up fourth down there, they're back at the 32 33, yard line, forced a couple turnovers once they cross the 50. So I mean you like what the defense is doing on that regard, still really good. Good play out of Waller, solid. Play out of Dax. Tisdale was a little more up doubt. He had a good game but Tisdale was up and down in terms of his his Gap fits but overall, good game, he had a good game with with his tackling tackling overall was improved this week.

52:04 It wasn't as good as I'd like to see but definitely a lot better than it was against West Virginia. I mentioned this earlier and I don't think you ever answer someone put you on the spot. If we bring the tackling game this week to last week, is it a different outcome? It's close. I mean, it's hard to tell. It's hard to tell, okay. It's hard to tell if we give up some it was those like the crippling first downs? Like you see what we did this week? Like that. Tomorrow, we can try to take that shot from the tackles. He had this week. If that was the tackle there, they don't get that first down.

52:44 Yeah, I'm going to school. Yeah. What else? I got a couple points of worry. Tell me if I'm right or wrong. Braun the running, okay, that kind of scared me. Some of the plays he get good and just in general some of the run, some of the gashes and I know it and it certain points in time we were mixing and matching, you know, trying to get some guys, some reps. So, you know, it was a different sort of depth and I saw Keyshawn out there. It's all some of the younger defensive linemen out there. Should I be worried about those things? I'd say overall I would be too worried the running quarterback. I know that was kind of a little bit of an anomaly because the first big run that their starting quarterback got injured on that was kind of a busted play that he just kind of made something happen.

53:45 So, sometimes things like that happen. I mean, that's just not, that's not something that I would be overly concerned. About there were a couple QB runs where we were just a little bit out of position but overall I mean we probably had the face, the better of the rushing quarterbacks. Yeah. On that roster and did a pretty good job of holding him in check for most of the game. I'd like to see us be a little bit better in some of our fits in the Run game. We had a couple Couple spots where we were out of the Gap and they were able to kind of get to the second level and our safeties had to make a play one in particular, where I can't remember which safety it was. But they had a kind of make a shoestring tackle to avoid a touchdown run.

54:39 Right up the gut. So we got to do better about that. It's got to get cleaned up, but overall it was good, but we can't let one or two misfires turn into really big plays that. That cost of the game because we don't if our offense keeps playing like this, we don't have a ton of room for error no and and big sudden plays are going to be bad for us because we've seen that if we get into the tighter area, we tend to Bow up and force field goals. We can't let them score from from 40 plus yards out. Yeah. And the next eight games, the way they're seeing teams, is, it can happen and one guy got back in the stack, On this week. So I'm a little more in the action was a Mars bar. No, definitely got to get him back to what he was doing early. I mean t key in on him the man you can just see it in every snap they know where he is and they are adjusting to him. They're keying on him, they're running at him in there in the Rush game.

55:41 I will say I saw him doing some good things in terms of when he was blocked, he kept working. He ran down a running back. Back down the field, like eight yards down field, he walked him down. So yeah, that was impressive just seeing him flash that athleticism is pretty, pretty impactful. And I'm hoping that he gets a little bit more involved in the kind of the tackle for loss game. Like we saw him in game one because, you know, we saw that game rely. All right. This is what we're going to get all year and we have a really, really seen that since, since you See, and some of that it looks like unc's offensive line is just bad. True.

56:29 Their veteran is hell, and they're just bad. Not a good offensive on whatsoever. All right. Brian last night. Me, you dropped the pole out on the twittersphere, got over 100 votes and basically, we were asking Hokie Nation out on Twitter that are followers, you know, after the Richmond game and after the first month of the season, Where do you feel with the last eight games of the season? And, you know, the answers were three or less for five or six or more. And brine mean you already talked about it? I went and I'm at the beginning of the season, I felt good about it after the first, I felt good about it, even after West Virginia I'm at for now because now you've seen Syracuse is better than we thought.

57:19 Yeah, it was better than we thought a, we think. I don't know what it is. It's like Georgia Tech when you're picking there. An anomaly for you pit. Lives and dies by, how good of a game, can he pick it can have against any given defense? They really, they still don't have a running game, their offensive line is still suspect. Their defense is not as good as it was last year, but if Penny, if Kenny pick, it goes out and has a good game there. Potentially going to have a chance to win. And especially when they play lesser competition, like, they did this week, but you said it Syracuse their defense looks good. Their running game is on track. Georgia Tech has been playing significant Up with the Georgia Tech yet, even if it is, it first two weeks, Georgia, Tech or is it lasts two weeks, Georgia Tech because they're completely different teams exhaust top-to-bottom, completely different teams on. So I'm going to just say this, that might be the worst events in the country.

58:23 I mean it's up there. If you talk about the four is the worst Power. It might be the worst Power 5 defense in the country. I mean, it's not even a joke. I don't think that's that much of a hyperbola. Lee. We're both of big. They can't get pressure on the quarterback anymore, and their secondary is god-awful gahbage. All right? So just so, you know, if you guys are known where other people are standing for, is the winner at 35 percent. Yep. Second kind of shocking. To me was five wins at 28% three or less at 25 percent. And there is about 10, people who voted in this. That say, we can win six or more. More. What tackle on that.

59:06 So they're actually got some positive folks out there. 10% of y'all are still leaning positive. I'm right at I'm saying for I can see five, I could you know what I'll be. I mean this is the true optimist in me. If we hear that there are significant changes being made on offense. I think I can lean more toward higher side but I don't have faith in that and that's why I got to stick with for saying, will probably be Eva will probably beat Georgia Tech just because I think the defense on those two games Kenny pick it has nightmares of Lane stadium. So I think he does it.

59:46 Kenny picking hates playing in Lane. I'd feel better about Georgia Tech. If we were playing in Lane I feel better about Syracuse only because you're playing Elaine. That's right. It's one of the screwed up ones. They get back to back home games. Yep. Because of covid. Okay. Alright. So we're feeling a seven and five season coming on and less changes are made and implemented. All right, buddy, did you watch any other work up? I watch some of it. I watch some of it. I know you watched a lot of it. All day Friday. You digested.

1:00:27 It, I died yesterday Saturday, as much as we could before we add some mom afternoon activities and then I came back continue to watch it. It literally was on my. Like, I told I told y'all Thursday night, it was on the big screen here at the house and then today, literally from lunch time until they were doing the presser and the guys had their champagne bottle. The US team, by the way. Unbelievable, and it's a core group. I know I'm being golf, nerdy, the oldest person on that team is 37 in the youngest is 24. Essentially, this is a team that for the next four Ryder cups could be together and they're good, and they're passionate, and they've got fight in them, they've got grit in them, but they also have the whole listen to Patrick can't late. Like, Patrick can't lay is just like, cold-blooded. Like he was Like we want to bleep and put 20 on them today and it's like Jesus.

1:01:28 Like we wouldn't break the scoring record. We want to blow them out of the water and it's just like, this is great to me. The other part that was really awesome and it happens every Ryder Cup. When they whoever wins gets absolutely hammered hammered from the time. The last match ends until about an hour and 20 minutes later, the press conference and it's like the best press conference of the Year. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I saw that Brooks and Bryce and hugged it out. Point it out and you know what I think maybe having two guys who have a little Feud going on, might be one of those good things for a team because it what it essentially for a if you're the captain it's like, okay, I got to get these guys on the same page before I worry about anything else.

1:02:18 Once I get them on the same page, then we start working with the other details and whatnot but great when 8:42 essentially a unbelievable. All right out. And, you know, now, I got to wait two years and in two years, I'll be getting up. I think it's in Rome 2. That means the for like we a and I will be up at like, I might not make it the first hour, but I'll eat beliefs beyond my for, am watching it, because you're crazy person, but I respect it is just that it's, you know, it's just one of its one of those scores. For me, it's a pain difference for me. Or that early to watch events.

1:03:04 So, you know, I'm not like out here. You know, every Thursday waking up at 3 a.m. watching the Euro Tour on Golf Channel. Yeah. Although you know, someone paid me to like Golf. And by out there have a golf ball location. I'd wake up at 3 and do it if you want to pay me, I'm 500. I'm 500 now. My you are two games above 500 in the Saturday. Pick them's. Yes sir. I lost world through the list here. Brian you started off with the rough Friday night. You took UVA. You laid the for it was probably a good feeling of losing though.

1:03:45 I mean, yeah, I was like, okay, well, I mean wakes up somewhat like, I think I said it even on the, on the podcast when we recorded like wakes a likable team. So if I lose that when I'm fine with that one, he awakes looking like, you know, potentially an example, B team in the Atlantic will see how that shakes out, I guess then we're BC with Clemson in there. But I mean, we actually have some drama in the Atlantic this year. So you like to see that Yeah, I chose wake because again you cannot have that bad of a defense. I don't care how good your offense is, your offense is going to have to score every possession.

1:04:28 I think wait to have to punt until like late 3rd, which is alright. The next one we both nailed Hugh freeze and Malik. Willis at Liberty, go up to the Dome and find out playing at that place is just not fun cuse wins out right? You said it earlier. Brian their defense look good. There Run game. Looks in shape. Um, and you know that game it luckily it is at Lane. It is not at the Dome that year. I think that that's the big thing we can hang our hat on is that? Yes. Syracuse looks better than we thought. They'd at least look, competent. Even that mean I don't think they're going to make any sort of noise anywhere, but they're they're not an easy out anymore and having them at Lane I think is going to work in our favor. I think we'll have enough.

1:05:20 Enough juice to get through that one. But it's definitely, it's not one that I'm necessarily saying book a win anymore. No, no, it's going to be probably a probably be a ugly defensive War unless we made changes by then. All right. Brian you. And with the ACC I went with the SEC, BC, pulls out the overtime, win in, and I need to see more about Mizzou. Then BC because I want to see how bad Mizzou is now, because the 2p five teams they played, they've lost to Kentucky, they lost a BC.

1:06:03 So are they really just a bad team or what? But ju you believed in BC and you nailed that one though. Yeah, I know me and I don't think Kentucky is a bad team either. I mean they're sitting What they are for know, so far. So I mean I know they have laid the tuna they'd be they be a still rebuilding South Carolina team they beat Mizzou and they be Chattanooga and Louisiana Monroe. So, yeah. Alright, the next one was one. We didn't even take any time to pull the trigger for Louisville, blow the doors off of ss U FS.

1:06:44 You might win one game this year. If they don't beat you, man. Fast. I don't maybe two. Who are you giving them one or two even Syracuse anymore? Yeah, Florida. So they're NC State essentially, pulling the huge upset over. Clemson Clemson, How much of that game? Did you watch? Most of it. All right, everybody's talking about all DJ's, not that good and the alley. Their offensive line looks worse than ours. It definitely looks not what it should and that's what that's part of what's holding them back. DJ's play overall is holding them back. I think.

1:07:42 They're not as deep at wide receiver, as they're used to. There's just a lot of factors their defense is still good, but they're deaf ends isn't going to win them games. When they play teams, that can still at least put up 20 points against them. Bingo, bango bongo. That's the honest truth. Right there, man. So we taking a look together on that one. I hate Duke, I swear, I'm not there. Ha ha ha that game, I look at that game in 3rd Corps, like I got this, this looks good. Kansas at 16 and cans. It was like up or down like one, I'm like, who's going to win the game? Do you just like open the floodgates? The last quarter.

1:08:23 So good, job Ryan. Good job. Duke has been what I picked against someone time and ever since then. I've been I was like, I'm not going to pick against Duke anymore. I'm just gonna go duke every time. Now, the other ones it got you again. Yeah, I told you bitch, I told you hangover you didn't want to believe me. Brandon believe in hangovers, Georgia Tech laid, the smackdown on UNC. And now it looks like anyone with a cervical defense is probably going to beat you in C or at worst being a shootout with them, so, you know, but bronze anomaly is Georgia Tech.

1:09:03 Literally, we might take those off the board for ourselves yet, unless we're playing them Dukes. Can George attacker off. Not going to discuss them at all. Alright? Now, the last couple of the big games of the weekend, we both took the Irish against Wisconsin in Chicago. That look if e going through the 4th and then just Notre Dame, went insane in the fourth quarter. Well, let's let's compare this because that gain kind of went the same way. Wisconsin played Ohio State, right? Penn State Penn State didn't play. Yeah. Sorry Penn State Penn State. Sorry. Yeah.

1:09:45 So except except Notre Dame. Every time they touch the ball that late they they scored a weapon state couldn't get itself moving against them. Yep. So craziness there and then Arkansas and saying Pittman they're for real. Yeah, they're for real we were on top of that one. Yeah, I was thinking Arkansas. Could win that one out, right? And I mean, they went out there and they stuck it to him, man. Exactly. And then finally, the big game, Saturday night West, Virginia, Oklahoma, we both took Oklahoma, Oklahoma. I don't know what's wrong with them.

1:10:26 I didn't see enough of that game. Saturday night, I saw a piece of it here and there saw the ending botched snap West. Virginia West Virginia essentially should have won that game probably lost a tech. So, Their car most kind of balancing out there. You know, we took the L on that it's just I'd rather be on the other side of that. Damn right? Yeah. West Virginia was going to be a to Lost team. I wish you would have been, you know, we'd have been one of those laws losses. But at least you know what, you know what I mean. I think one of the things that shown Is that West Virginia is, at least on defense and good defense.

1:11:06 We scored more points than Ivana If you know, so they've got two losses but one of those is to Maryland where they gave them, a short feel two times. And they've actually got a quarterback that can throw the ball downfield. Yep. And you know they took an L2 Oklahoma that went down to the wire and a low scoring Affair in Norman. Yeah. And your material, they did that in Norman. They didn't do that and they're there. They have not been historically, a good road team know, in the last several years. So very fact that they took a game that was big and took that team to the wire was good for them. Even though we're not sure how good this Oklahoma team. And let's since we're here let's talk about just college football as a whole man because there's about three teams that I trust right now.

1:11:55 And then everybody else. I trust Bama, I trust ugga and I trust Oregon those are the only three teams that if they're playing a game where they have Any sort of advantage that I'd say. Okay, they're probably going to win that game. Yep, everybody else. It is the right now. The way it looks is the fourth playoff spot. No one knows. No one wants to go. I mean, no one wants that. You've had every other team that normally is, at least in this conversation through, at least mid-october. If not early, November already has one loss.

1:12:36 Well, they already have a lot of them. Have two losses. Some have two and then those without what else that's garbage. So I watched Red Warriors play. They called a pi on him but it's not. But anyway, and then you have like your Ohio State's, right? Yeah. Lost organ already at home. Kind of got dominated trying to do quarterback changes just the way they've looked against their last two. Opponents have just and even the way it looked against Minnesota in Minnesota. Oh God. That loss eat makes it look even worse. Yeah, I mean it's if it is a true, it's a week-to-week. I have I have no confidence like we just ran through a pick em and I'm lean.

1:13:23 At least picking ACC I at least am in my comfort zone, but even there it's, it's dicey, Georgia Tech doing stuff. You don't expect, dudes doing stuff, you don't expect, you know, Louisville, being a little bit better than we thought they were out the gate BC still. Having a solid team despite losing their starting quarterback. I mean, there's so many unpredictable things that are happening UNC with two conference losses already. I mean, NC State beating Clemson. All of this is just, it's shit that we didn't see to start the season. Usually college football is unpredictable, but not this unpredictable.

1:14:06 All right, I'm going to throw this at you before we sign off the night. This has every makings of 2007. Yeah, every makings of 2007, that's all I'm going to say. I think it's going to be some stuff that happens. These next two months, you know what? Whether you're whether you if you love the team, you know what, Justin Fuente, make the change. Make yourself to play caller. Let's win out. Let's make the playoffs. Ryan's like yeah, I just need to see Signs of Life from the offense, where we can consistently move the ball in the passing game.

1:14:50 Do decent things in the running game and at least average. I mean, right now are points per game. Average is garbage. We need to at least get close to 3000, go. Yeah, we're a full. We're a full actually. We're more than a touchdown away from that. Yeah. What? Y'all come in, come in Wednesday night, we're not going to be here next Sunday, we're not playing. So we're going to we're going to take about a week as well, but come in Wednesday night and what we're going to take a look at guys is we're just going to do a do a review of what was look like the first four games. So y'all come back Wednesday night, Brian, anything drop.

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