The Hokies have been extremely active in the portal, both in the Winter window and most recently in the Spring window. Our guest Kolby Crawford makes his Boundary Corner Podcast debut as he helps us breakdown the impact of the portal on this Hokies roster and who amongst the recent adds will have the biggest impact for the Hokies this fall.
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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner podcast, a part of the
College Huddle Network along my
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partners, Brian Ziegler and
Jonathan Talley.
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I am Curtis Wilson and as
always, we are brought to you by
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Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the
Counts Family Pharmacy, your
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friendly neighborhood pharmacy,
three O 1 S Main St. in
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Blacksburg.
Fellas, how's everybody doing
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tonight?
Fight a little bit of a cold,
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but feeling all right man,
Feeling all right.
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How about you?
Brian, you ain't got no cold.
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You got too drunk when you went
to that concert.
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That's what happened.
You got AI, got a week.
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Long hangover.
There you go.
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Hangover I'd have been.
Are you old now, man?
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You can't be drinking like you
did back when you was in
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college.
You got to take it easy.
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You ain't got a lot of us.
Myself, got to pace myself, boy,
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no pacing.
All good man, y'all good.
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All good baseball.
It's kinda in the swing of
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things right now.
You know, summer baseball that
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is, is is kind of kicking up
working with the kid to try to
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get him on track to do the right
things.
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So we will talk about that
another day, but everything is
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good.
You look good, man.
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You look good.
You look fresh right now.
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Man, hey, I'm just trying to
trying to see the next day man,
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trying to be friends with coach
Pry and not be too mad at him.
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So you know, maybe somebody
going to shed some light on what
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how I need to feel with all
this.
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Hey, we got a lot to talk about
man.
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We had some stuff rolled out
timing of game.
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I got people calling asking me
am I going, y'all know what I
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want to say Curtis?
Hell no, I ain't spending no
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money on them.
But you know what?
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It's like 3.
Months like 3 hours.
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It's also like it's also two
hours from your house.
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Yeah, it's.
Literally 2 hours from your
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house.
It's a 3 o'clock game that was
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announced.
That means if they make you
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really mad, you can get in your
car, be back in your own bed by
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10:00 and go they're.
Going to make me mad.
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That's good.
They always make you mad.
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They don't make me mad.
Even if we win, they're going to
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make me mad.
But I got a lot to think about,
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man.
I'm going to Vegas at that
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month, so I'm going to Vegas at.
So it's a lot to think about,
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man, but we'll get into all
that.
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We're going to get into all
that.
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We're going to get into a lot of
different stuff tonight.
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So without further ado, we are
going to bring the special
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guests on tonight from 247
Sports as Tally has dubbed him
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as we were talking before the
show, he is currently as he's
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shaking his head, I could see
him, the mayor of Blacksburg and
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247 Sports on and everybody's
favorite portal got to watch
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because he knows it all.
Colby Crawford.
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Colby, how are you this
wonderful Wednesday?
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I'm doing great man.
I appreciate y'all having me on.
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This is going to be a good time.
I really appreciate y'all having
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me.
Hopefully we all drop off the
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cold down here in a nondiscreet
location in the Outer Banks.
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So ready to toss some football?
Somewhere in the Outer Banks is
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Colby Crawford, right?
Now we're in the Outer Banks.
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We we hope that that that spots
got Internet a little bit better
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than Tally had a few months
back.
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I was about to say, if that
Internet ain't worse than this
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Alabama Internet, did you going
to be straight?
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This Internet was struggling for
a while.
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We had to change it up over
here.
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And he finally got it.
He did change it up.
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And now, oh, hold on, we, we are
starting Tally, our music man
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Jason Kobe, COVID, the guy that
plays us in plays us out.
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He lives in Royal.
He's a huge Titans fan and so is
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Tally.
So they always got something to
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talk.
About yeah, definitely, man.
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I was going to say Jason going
to have to call me and we're
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going to have to get together on
this stuff, man.
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But for the most part, man, I
mean, you had to do it as a
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Titans fan.
I'm I'm a Cowboy fan, though.
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Like I just like what he is and
what he brings.
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Not a Miami fan.
I hated that he went and played
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at Miami.
But for a kid to do what he did,
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go to all the different stops
and continue to work, continue
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to be, you know, humble for the
most part, Like he just
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continued to work until he was
the number one pick in the
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draft.
And for what we are with what we
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need, you can't pass him up.
You know what I'm saying?
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It's like at one point I was
like, man, you got to take
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Travis Hunter.
I mean, that's a generation of
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talent.
But at the same time, it's kind
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of like, look at New King.
I knew.
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I knew he was going to pop up.
If you say Miami New King is
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popping up, I knew he was going
to pop up.
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Thank you all.
Thank you all for sending Cam
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Ward our way.
But especially after what Jade
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Daniels done last year, like if
you pass up on a quarterback
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that's got that kind of ceiling,
how dumb are you going to feel
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As you already know that, you
know, the quarterbacks that we
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have aren't aren't the guy now,
possibly because of the line we
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had wasn't the guys either.
But I mean, you pass up on
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somebody like a Cam Ward with
the number one pick and then he
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goes somewhere else and he chose
out like you're slapping
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yourself in the head for a
decade.
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And that, that's a dude to bet
on himself for three straight
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years.
And.
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Made it happen, right?
That that was someone because
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we're going to talk about it all
tonight with with Kobe with the
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portal.
That is someone who it's like
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the portal of the white right
way right.
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He was an Incarnate word.
Lower school went to Washington
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state.
Not not not your highest level
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school, a solid mid level P5
school, P4 school, whatever you
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want to call it, excelled five
at the time he.
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Five at the time that's.
True.
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All right, Peter.
PAC 12.
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Yeah, and then and then went to
Miami, did what he did down
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there, played great because he
wants the reason they lost
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games.
He wants the reason at all
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because he played his nuts off
every single game.
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It it.
But to me, everybody who shits
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on the portal, it's like,
there's so many good stories
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like that, that literally if Cam
Ward doesn't have the portal, do
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we ever know Cam Ward's name?
Do we?
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Does he ever become the number
one pick?
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Probably not.
Man, you think about, Yeah,
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somebody brought, I think it
might have been you when I was
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going on a rant, Curtis, that we
talked about.
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Oh yeah.
For all the bad stuff that
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people have to say about the
Porter you've been bringing to
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Virginia Tech, and you look at
somebody like APR, APR is a
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Virginia Tech legend now, right?
Yes, he is.
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You know, everybody's going.
He can come back to Blacksburg
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whenever he wants to, and
they're always going to remember
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what he did in a hokey's
uniform.
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Same with two.
You know, you would have never
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seen these guys if it wasn't for
the portal, you know what I'm
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saying?
You'd never seen them in
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Virginia Tech if it wasn't for
the portal.
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So as bad as people make it out,
as bad as it is sometimes, and
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it's true, much craziness kind
of goes on in it, man.
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It's a lot of good stories to
come out of it.
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So I'm here for it, man.
I just love football.
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And it's, and the guys we're
going to talk about tonight in a
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few minutes here.
It's the same way they are.
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A lot of them are elevating to a
stage where either a like APR,
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he was down at Florida or it's
an unbelievable program.
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They never found the right spot
for him.
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Came back to tech perfect fit
everything, everything fit.
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He he is an unbelievable SAT guy
in college, shows his motor,
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shows his skill.
Same with Tooting guys who get
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goes to A&T, accelerates there,
comes to tech, does back-to-back
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seasons and and now we're going
to talk about 10 guys in a few
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minutes here, their stores,
their backgrounds and how we're
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feeling about those rooms.
But Brian and Colby, before we
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get into all that, y'all both
attended the Metallica concert,
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correct?
Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah.
Colby, I'm I'm I'm gonna let you
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go first.
Bronson, see the esteemed guest
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tonight and just just give me
your feels of a a where'd you
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sit and just in general, the
feelings while watching that
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concert, because y'all the
videos, the production, I mean
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tally, you've seen it.
I mean unbelievable, like you
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didn't look like the same place
and it it looked it looked
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unreal.
Go ahead, Toby.
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Yeah, so honestly, start the day
before.
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I was lucky enough to go through
with some of the media and walk
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through on the floor level of
the whole stage apparatus, the
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entire setup of the concert.
And that was amazing.
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They were going through sound
tests and they actually played
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like the helicopter sound that's
the lead into one the song.
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And I mean, I've been to quite a
few concerts in my life and
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fortunate enough to go and and
some pretty large sound systems.
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When that speaker played the
helicopter sound and like this
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aircraft sound, it sounded as if
there was a fly over.
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Like I almost looked up and was
like, is there a fly over
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actually happening right now
that the ground shook beneath
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you?
And kind of from that moment I
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knew, OK, it's really on for
tomorrow and then we get to show
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day.
Had a couple buddies come in
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town and you know, I forgot the
opportunity to sit with the
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media.
And of course I went to go sit
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in the student section to enjoy
that moment.
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And I was in the North End zone.
It's been a while since I've
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been in the North End zone.
So that that was, I mean, I
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think it has to rank as the best
live show I've ever seen.
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Just atmosphere.
And honestly, coming from
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someone, I'm not the biggest
Metallica fan going in, I knew 5
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or 6 songs, but I mean just the
the setting, the entire crowd.
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What I mean, I mean there's some
football games where you look up
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and I guess the East ends where
it's allowed it to the other
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visiting team and it's not all
the way sold out.
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When I look around, it was like
your mouth is on the floor like
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this place is packed out.
The student section was over
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packed out.
It it was it was incredible and
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it happened to be.
I know for everyone it was
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great, but for the students it
was the last day of classes.
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So they were already just
psyched out of their mind.
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So it, it was the best thing
ever.
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Like I I'm struggling to find
words that could encapsulate the
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way I feel.
Like I'm just getting goosebumps
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thinking about it but it it was
so amazing.
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Yeah.
I mean, I got to echo, you know,
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what what Colby said there.
I mean, I've, I've seen a lot of
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shows in my day and that that's
in the conversation for the best
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live show that I've attended.
And it really goes back to just
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atmosphere.
It goes back to I think what
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Metallica has meant to this fan
base in general.
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I think it's the energy that
they brought.
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Like they seem like they were on
a different level knowing what
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them being there meant for that
for for Blacksburg, for the fans
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and things like that.
So I mean, it was it was
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incredible.
You talked about the, the one
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when the, when the helicopters
came in and the pyro started
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shooting up and, you know,
simulating the, the, the fire
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from the, from the choppers in
the, in the plains.
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Man, it was, it was really,
really impressive.
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And like that whole run there 1
all the way through Sandman was
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just like banger after banger.
And you know, when they got to
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master of puppets and like they,
they were saying master in the
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chorus, there was just like
echoing, like you can feel a
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pulse from that.
It was, it was kind of crazy.
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I, I really, you know, it's
hard.
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It's hard to put into words.
We got, we got a couple guys
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here that I actually saw
tailgating pregame.
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Shout out Jim West.
You met Jim.
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I I met Jim.
Shout out Jim.
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He was at Dan and Stevens
tailgate over there with Mary
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and Drew and Chris and all them.
So nice.
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Nate.
Shout out all those guys all.
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Right.
So the the, the set list,
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obviously everybody said they
played, they did master Puppets.
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First of all, you know, looking
at I think the encore was what
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one I heard one was the original
was the beginning of the encore,
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right?
I believe that was the first
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one, whatever Brian just said.
It was one yeah, 1 seeking
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destroy, Master of Puppets and
Sandman.
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We're the we're the final four
there.
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OK, I think whatever after one
because me and my friend, I mean
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a little anecdote like that one
of the buddies I'm down here
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with throwing it way back to
whenever the civilians versus
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cadets snowball fight was every
year we've been there and that
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fight has happened.
We play one right before we all
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go out.
So I mean, we love like that
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song, like you understand me,
Don't get me wrong, has its
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place in Blackburg, but for us
specifically, one is also up
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there.
So when they came out with that
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and they just played, I mean,
honestly, banger after banger
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after banger and then you end
out blowing the lid off the
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place with the Enter Sandman.
I I don't know the exact order,
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but after one I knew I knew
every song after that and I'm
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not a massive fan.
So that was an incredible.
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Stretch and you covered.
You covered what you covered,
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basically.
Like all the big albums.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Through Black in that last four.
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So you you had you had one, you
had seek and destroy, you had
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master puppets and then you had
Enter Sandman and that like
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that.
'D be much better now.
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So it's got to be ass, but
obviously they intro, they did
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the normal entrance, that's how
they got on stage, which that
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was pretty cool.
I saw some of the videos of
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that, the normal playing and
they're coming on in fireworks.
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But at the end he Master
Republics goes off.
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Apparently they were teasing
which you're like you're going
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to end with it.
You're going to end there ain't
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no question you're going to end
with it.
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But when Hetfield started the
chant, like what was y'all's
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feels on it?
Because it was just like how can
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they do this?
Because this is a Sandman.
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It knows Sandman itself is a 5
minute song N concerts.
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It's anywhere from 5 1/2 to 8
1/2.
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But when they hit it, when those
notes hit, just was it just
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chills or was it just we all
just so in the moment, it was
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just like, it's literally like a
game.
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You're so hyped because you went
through 1520 songs.
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You've been there all day.
This pyros have been
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unbelievable.
Just give me that one last piece
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and we'll closeout the Metallica
piece tonight.
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I mean, I think it was still
chills the whole way through
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because I mean, me, just even my
experience in just a couple
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short years, you know how much
that song, that entrance, the
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reverence just around that
entire place.
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And then you almost thought like
the culmination of the entire
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night, like it's just really
about to happen.
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Like you knew it was happening.
But it's something really a
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pinch yourself moment where
you're sitting there and it goes
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off and he he leads the let's go
Hokies chat and you look and
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there's so many people who had
who were just Metallica fans,
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not honestly, maybe no relation
at all to Virginia Tech.
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And they looked at the person
next to them.
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What do they?
Oh, they said Hokies.
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All right, so now I'm gonna say
on the next time he goes back.
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That was what I thought was so
incredible was I was sitting
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next to her down the way from
someone.
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And when he started to let's go
Hokies chant, they didn't know
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what they were saying.
And then they jumped right in
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with everyone else.
So it was sort of that
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collective, I guess just
experience to soak in that
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moment because Brian touched on
it like, I don't, I'm not saying
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they don't go out there and play
it up every night, every show,
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every tour date, but I think
they really understood what it
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meant to that location
specifically.
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And yeah, I mean, just
incredible.
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Yeah, surreal.
It it was surreal when that
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moment hit because I mean, guys
by age since 2000 and shout out
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Jim for for being there for the
first Sandman since 2000.
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There's always been like those
rumors that are floating around
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like, oh, but but Metallica is
going to play here this week or
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you know, they're they're going
to be there for the let's go
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Hokies Shaylee there.
There's going to be something
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Metallica related.
There's always these rumors and
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then finally this comes and to
have it happen in lane and to
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experience that.
It was absolutely surreal that I
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mean, that's really the the best
way I can describe it is it's
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surreal.
And you know, Kobe, you talked
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about, you know, kind of the mix
of of crowd that I mean, it was,
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you know, a lot of there was a
lot of Metallica Hokie fans.
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There were some hokey fans that
were there for the the
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experience.
And then there were a lot of
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just fans of Metallica fans of,
you know, metal and thrash metal
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in general.
And they were just they join
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right in with everybody else.
Man, It was it was such a good
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mix.
I think of of all those
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different types of fans in that
one area.
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That's so awesome.
Well, glad y'all boys got to
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experience that.
The videos coming out over the
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last seven days of an
unbelievable, you know, from the
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concert itself.
Even I think one of the cooler
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things again, sometimes some
things that goes on at the
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school we just like shake our
heads at.
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But that video that I'm assuming
the football media guys did
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outside the stadium where you
can hear it like and you can
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just see and it's just like that
that was cool.
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That was because some people
like to me that's like visionary
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type stuff.
Like that's fairly cool to think
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about how you hear it and then
you hear the notes and
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everything roll.
So awesome.
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All right, let's get we've
talked 20 minutes about Cam Ward
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in portal.
We've talked 10 minutes about
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Metallica concert.
Let's let's get into the portal
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itself.
Colby's bread and butter here,
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and Colby.
I said the only thing I'm here
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for right now.
I'm kidding.
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No, you're here for everything,
man.
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We've got you on for everything.
In your opinions, I'm sure
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you've got some great ones, but
let's kick this off first.
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Let's talk about the guys who
left, the players that left.
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Anybody shock you of that group
or?
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You're talking specifically in
the spring.
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In the spring and not talking in
the winter has gone by.
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That That's a lot of time.
Specifically in the spring.
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When you talk spring
realistically, honestly, no one
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was a massive shock.
The one that maybe caught me a
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little off guard, Bob Schick,
But I mean, you totally
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understand that as well.
He's got a family, a kid, he's a
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long way from his home out in
Utah, gets a little bit closer
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for going to Oklahoma State,
probably worked out a deal,
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maybe work his way into some
more guaranteed playing time.
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So like you think about it,
there was definitely a route and
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it's not a big shock.
But out of everyone who left, if
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I had to name 1 and nail down,
I'd probably be Bob shit because
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I mean, he was still, I mean,
you know how you get into the
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season injuries role and that
room is what it is.
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So that I'd say probably that
one out of all of them.
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But I like what you said there
at the end, though, it's that
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idea that he wanted more
guaranteed playing time.
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There's something we mentioned,
you know, he was in the portal
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last time we got together.
It was this whole you're not
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getting a lot of you're not
getting the amount of snaps you
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got last year because they're
guys who are better on this
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team.
And I think you just made that
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point pretty good because it was
a lot of guys that went.
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And again, we we we we always
talk about pride.
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But The thing is we were six win
team last year.
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Some guys had to go.
Some guys were going to go
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because money was going to call
them.
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Some guys were going to go
because they had to go, right.
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So is what it is.
I boys, just real quick.
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I think we hit it, but I want to
confirm any shock to y'all
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anybody?
I think everybody is pretty much
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the the portal is closed now and
so many guys are actually you
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know at home, like Jordan
McDonald's going to play for
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William and Mary Jayden went to
UCF.
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You mentioned Bob shit heading
out to Oklahoma State, Colby
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Braylon Johnson down the Wake
Forest, Ken Fleming down the app
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state and so on.
But any, any, any shot like
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nobody landed it like a terrible
spot.
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Like I think everybody got homes
right.
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Well, that.
And like, I think the thing
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that, you know, we're starting
to see in, in terms of talent
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leveling up and things like
that, you know, a lot of those
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guys are guys that for one
reason or another, either
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weren't high enough in the depth
chart for what they were
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comfortable with from a playing
time standpoint, or we had
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pushed them so far down that it
it may it was in their best
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interest to look somewhere else
if they wanted the playing time.
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And then they're landing at
Oklahoma States and UCFS instead
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of like, you know, some of some
of those other schools are
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taking a step down to FCS there.
There wasn't as much of that.
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So even the guys that aren't
necessarily able to make it with
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us are landing at pretty good
spots now, which is showing that
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the talent level is getting
raised across the board.
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I think the thing that we're
looking at is that when you make
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wholesale shifts, both
defensively and offensively, you
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know, there's going to be some
guys that don't find their
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footing under the new, the new
the new scheme.
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It's just not going to be a good
fit for them.
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It may be something where
they're just not going to see as
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much time and it could be a
situation like the offensive
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line where you brought in more
guys that are better, whether
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it's talent wise or fit wise,
that you're just not going to
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get as many opportunities as you
had before, even for guys like
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Bob Schick that were starters.
100% Well, let's talk about some
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of those guys and, and Kobe, I
want to start.
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I won't start on the offense and
then flip over to defense and
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let's start with the offensive
line because we take a look at
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the two guys and Jaden Muskrat,
who comes up from Auburn, Gavin
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Crawford, who comes up from West
Virginia.
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That's clearly Monty's and
Moore's guys, right?
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It's a guy Monty recruited at
Tulsa, played for him at Auburn.
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Same in the thing with Gavin
Crawford down at West Virginia.
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I mean, from, from what you've
heard, how easy for those
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recruitments, I mean, was it
just a phone call and said
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here's a spot?
Yeah, I mean so much of the
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portal comes down to obviously
prior relationships and but
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there is no short thing,
especially these days you can
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have handshake or certain ideas
of players before they go
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somewhere.
But I mean this, there were some
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stories and things that happened
where coming down to the the
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final seconds where you thought
it was a done deal and and
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something happens.
But for both of these
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situations, oh, actually, I'll
start with Gavin Crawford.
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I think that one is probably a
lot more straight down the line.
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Visited early, committed early,
obviously spent a semester at
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West Virginia, jumped in,
followed Coach Moore.
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That one, I think recruitment
wise, pretty straight down the
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line, someone who I think
honestly has a lot of
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developmental upside.
I really like inside maybe now,
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but has has the versatility to
probably move outside.
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I'd like to see his updated
weight if he's actually at 3:30.
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But I mean, just based on high
school film, I think that's a
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good take.
Obviously, you got to build out
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that room a little bit.
When you take, what, 5 high
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school guys over 2 cycles, there
was a lot of work to be done.
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I think Matt Moore's done a good
job flipping it.
445
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,920
And I think this 25, I mean,
excuse me, 26 class ahead will
446
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,320
probably reflect that a little
bit.
447
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,800
That's pretty much all in
Crawford recruitment wise for
448
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,520
Muskrat, much of the same.
Obviously Monty Tulsa having
449
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840
both.
You know, a lot of, you know,
450
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,680
Canon Montgomery's also on staff
of Phillip Montgomery,
451
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040
Montgomery's son.
I forget his official title, I
452
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920
think Co running backs or, or
something like that.
453
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600
But he also had a relationship
when you have both those guys on
454
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,440
staff and he followed him from
Tulsa to Auburn and now we're
455
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,400
here to Virginia Tech.
This whole portal window.
456
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,480
We we were recovering on Vt
scoop.com.
457
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,160
They were going to go out there
and find them a veteran
458
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,000
offensive lineman.
This is one with the prior
459
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,640
relationship to your offensive
coordinator.
460
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,360
Familiar knows, the scheme knows
just familiar with them.
461
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,440
When you when you talk about
coming in over the summer and
462
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,080
fall, it's just so much being
familiar.
463
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,000
It is just so crucial.
So that's really big.
464
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,840
So they knew they were going to
go out and get a veteran guy to
465
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,680
pair Gavin Crawford's great four
years of eligibility.
466
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,400
You need depth there.
But they were also really sorely
467
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040
looking for someone who could
make an impact almost
468
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,640
immediately on the field.
So to have that relationship
469
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,320
prior, that recruitment, I would
say is pretty straightforward as
470
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,160
well.
There were some personal things
471
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,800
that they had to work through,
which was sort of the delay, but
472
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,840
really, honestly a great job.
That's probably not talking
473
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880
about enough by the staff on
that one because those snags can
474
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
sort of meander and develop and
not get him in the boat.
475
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,760
But to get him landed, it was
really big.
476
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,720
But like I said, those
relationships prior were big
477
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
reason why, but still really
important and big to get him in
478
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,920
the boat.
Yeah, 100% And any any talk of I
479
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480
know you mentioned about Gavin
Crawford could like starting at
480
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,480
the inside, but you want to know
that way because I'm my
481
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
assumption is you think if he's
a little bit bigger he might
482
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,480
kick out.
But are are are are we Pagan
483
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,880
Muskrat it?
He's going to start at tackle,
484
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
one side or the other.
See, that's a really great
485
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920
question.
I like there's so much that has
486
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,480
to be seen.
I think he will play tackle.
487
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,560
I'm not sure if he's a plug in
play guy because honestly, and
488
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120
that's not a knock on him.
I think Johnny Yarrett had a
489
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,720
really great spring and they
were working Tomas Remac out at
490
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,760
at right tackle as well.
And I think for Remac to show
491
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,720
NFL scouts that they have the
versatility to be play inside at
492
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720
guard, be a Big 12 Volt
honorable mention.
493
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,160
And then if you kick out this
year and you have a all ACC
494
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,360
caliber year or your solid
bookend right there.
495
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,640
I mean, he has a size.
It looked like he had a good
496
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
camp, but at the same time, you
know what he can do on the
497
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,440
inside.
So let's say Muskrat comes in,
498
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,760
he's a world beater in the fall
and you, you like what Garrett's
499
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440
shown.
So you have Garrett on one side,
500
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,920
Muskrat and then you have
re/max.
501
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,640
So it's just kind of where those
five fit.
502
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200
But I, I don't think they'll
pull Muskrat inside.
503
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,480
But either way, you have highly
increased the floor of your
504
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520
offensive line room bringing him
he he's seen a lot of college
505
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,400
football there.
There's some things you just
506
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,480
especially in the offensive line
room, I feel like I'm going to
507
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,960
use like a college basketball
reference, but I I feel like
508
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,600
there's always that big man in
the NCAA tournament.
509
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,000
You cut on.
It's like who is this guy
510
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,840
playing for this team?
But it's his fourth or fifth
511
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,960
year in college and he's just so
much more advanced just
512
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,640
physically that that's kind of
what it is with offensive
513
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:33,960
lineman.
Now.
514
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,360
Every now and again you have the
like I remember Francis Maui Goa
515
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,600
at Miami, who has a true
freshman look like a six year
516
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,280
offensive lineman.
But realistically most of the
517
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,520
time to get developed in being
2223 and spent all that time in
518
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600
a college weight room.
I think it'll be really valuable
519
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,360
for his experience and also
being I guess familiar with
520
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Monty's scheme before.
So he's gone through this a lot
521
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,320
more than even the guys who have
been there for spring only
522
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,880
because they I think Monty said
after the spring game, they only
523
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,000
got maybe 2/3 of the way through
install.
524
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
So I think it'll be really
valuable overall to the room.
525
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Yeah, I think it's going to be
big.
526
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
And he talked about the install
pieces and you get a guy that is
527
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,600
familiar with the scheme coming
in with a coach that while, you
528
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,720
know, Monty and more haven't
necessarily had a lot of overlap
529
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,120
in their careers scheme wise.
It's a it's a very good fit
530
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
between the two, what they want
to do, how they want to do it.
531
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360
And, and you mentioned like, you
know, guys in the tournament, as
532
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320
soon as you said that, I like
immediately went to like Cameron
533
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Krutwig from Loyola Chicago,
like just this like big dude
534
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760
buddy, like not necessarily that
that physically intimidating,
535
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
but he's a man out there.
But he also he has an
536
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,960
understanding of the the mental
game as well as the physical and
537
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,600
and can take advantage of that
even despite some other, you
538
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,000
know, athletic shortcomings of
his game there.
539
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,680
And you know, you got a guy like
Muskrat thing kind of has that
540
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520
experience, has seen it from
different levels.
541
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160
You know, looking at Tulsa,
looking at Auburn coming in,
542
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,480
that's I think that's going to
be big.
543
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,400
You know, you're not going to
he's not going to be overwhelmed
544
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680
by the talent that he's seen in
the ACC.
545
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160
And I'm very interested to see
whether he's going to end up at
546
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
at right tackle, left tackle,
you know, whatever it may be,
547
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880
you know, or if he's going to be
more of an interior player at
548
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,400
some point.
But I feel like he's really
549
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,640
going to be, he's going to be a
tackle, whether he ends up
550
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,880
knocking, you know, Remac or or
or Johnny Garrett out of a
551
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240
starting spot.
I feel like, you know, one of
552
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760
they're they're all still going
to start.
553
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,920
It's just.
Yeah, they're.
554
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,920
All what's the configuration
going to be is.
555
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,320
It going to be.
Is it going to be Muskrat at
556
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,160
left, Johnny at right, Remac
inside a flip of the tackles
557
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,000
there or is, you know, is are
you just going to, you know, you
558
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,920
know, keep keep Remac out there
and then just move, you know,
559
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,720
move one of those guys inside?
So I'm I'm really interested to
560
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,720
see how how that that shuffles
going to work and how Crawford
561
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920
maybe enters the conversation,
because I think he's still, you
562
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,880
know, a younger guy.
I think he's still got some
563
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
room, room to grow.
Is he going to be a guy that can
564
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240
really have an impact this year?
Is he more of a long term
565
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880
solution for the inside of that
offensive line?
566
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,720
I, I think long term, I'll make
a note.
567
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,560
You want to talk about a younger
guy who's been up through the
568
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,120
program who I don't know if will
make an impact this year, but
569
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440
just somewhat to maybe bookmark
Aiden Lynch.
570
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,240
That's a guy who I, I think
could make some waves here like
571
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,920
at the end of last year.
So I guess the year he
572
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,840
redshirted and into the spring,
someone who's slowly making some
573
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,640
moves.
Now, like I said, you got a lot
574
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840
of older guys ahead of him, but
you want to talk about a younger
575
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800
guy with a lot of years left of
eligibility.
576
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,840
That's someone to maybe keep an
eye on that.
577
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Is what you got?
Yeah.
578
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000
No, just what you everything
that you're talking about is
579
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,360
like what you want to be talking
about.
580
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
You know what I'm saying?
Like you can be mad like me at
581
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,480
everything, but when you really
look at football and you really
582
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
kind of see how to build a
program and how to build a team,
583
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,600
the things that y'all are
talking about is what you want
584
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,120
to be talking about.
Like who's going to start here?
585
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,560
Not for the fact of we don't
have anybody, you know what I'm
586
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,280
saying?
You got pieces that Xavier
587
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,720
Chaplin leaves.
Understandable.
588
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,720
That is a blow, right?
You know what I'm saying?
589
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,680
But you had one really good guy
and then you had some mediocre
590
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,360
guys and some really bad guys.
So it was a discrepancy in the
591
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,160
top to the bottom.
Now I feel like you've got guys
592
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,640
kind of all across the board
that can fit in and you have a,
593
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,280
like Kobe said, raised floor in
that room.
594
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,920
So if I do have to switch you
out for a series of play, this
595
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,280
guy goes down, you don't have
this massive drop off when X was
596
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,400
getting hurt and then we have to
put somebody else in.
597
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
If you got all these other guys
that you can plug and play, or
598
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,880
if that because I don't know
everything about football, but I
599
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,360
can look at a offensive lineman
in a game and tell if he can
600
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320
play like I can look at a couple
of plays and be like he he can
601
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
do something for you.
Cunningham can do something for
602
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,560
us.
The fact that he didn't see the
603
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,560
the field last year on a bad
offensive line was a tragedy.
604
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,680
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know if he was hurt or
605
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,280
something maybe, but I'm just
saying I've seen him enough to
606
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,560
know like that kid can do
something for us.
607
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,440
Hey, this dude ain't doing
right.
608
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Go in there and get him and let
me let talk to him for a minute.
609
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,320
I'm just glad to see that the
offensive line coach in the
610
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,240
offensive line room has a pulse.
So I know some people was like,
611
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,120
oh, this dude only played
special teams.
612
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040
So fucking what?
I don't care what he played.
613
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Get me all the offensive lineman
and then let's figure out if
614
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400
they can play or not.
Because when you got three
615
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,320
offensive lineman that you know
can play or you got 10 that you
616
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
think can play, I take the 10 I
think can play because one of
617
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
those 3 is going to get hurt.
So I'm just glad to see the new
618
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,679
coach has a pulse and he's he's
done a good job of flipping the
619
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,159
room and he's done a good job of
bringing some people in.
620
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,320
And then like when you talk
about, I think Kobe was talking
621
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,400
about just like being
comfortable with the coach.
622
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,679
Most people in the chat, most
people here have played some
623
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,600
type of sport.
And you know, like egos and
624
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,000
attitudes play a big part in
what you do when you're playing
625
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,280
sports.
It could be something as simple
626
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,880
as a coach dip snuff, right,
does tobacco and he yells in
627
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,800
your face.
But when you talk to your Mama,
628
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,800
you say, well, this dude keeps
spitting in my face.
629
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,760
Don't know Mama want to hear
that He's spitting in your face.
630
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Oh, we got to find a new school.
Well, if you have somebody that
631
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,400
knows that coach and knows his
mannerism, he's probably going
632
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,239
to say it.
Well, coach such and such, just
633
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,360
he's not spitting in your face.
He's just yelling.
634
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
That's what he does.
Like, calm down before you call
635
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,800
your mom and dad and tell that.
So having somebody who's
636
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,120
comfortable with a coach that
that coach probably don't
637
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
gravitate to when he really
wants to get on Kobe, but he
638
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,160
knows Brian, he'll get on Brian
so Kobe can see it, you know
639
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,360
what I'm saying?
So having those guys that come
640
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,160
in and those coaches can lean on
to be like Brian, get your shit
641
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,640
together.
But Brian's doing everything
642
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,760
right.
But he's doing that so the
643
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,280
younger guy can see him, you
know what I'm saying?
644
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920
I think that's going to help in
the long run.
645
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
I'm just interested to see kind
of where we go, you know, where,
646
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,080
where, where the where the team
goes.
647
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
But as we know, the team goes
with the trenches.
648
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520
So I'm definitely, you know,
keeping my eye on that this
649
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
summer and into the fall.
Yeah.
650
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,160
And you know, Kobe made the
point like we had a couple
651
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,320
cycles that we probably didn't
take as many lineman as we
652
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,520
should have both in the portal
and high school recruiting.
653
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,960
And so a lot of what Moore has
had to do is kind of backfill
654
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,040
that position a little bit, both
from a front end talent
655
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160
perspective and from a depth
perspective.
656
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960
And I think he's done a pretty
good job of that so far.
657
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,880
And yeah, I think it was it was
definitely needed.
658
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,080
I know some of that was probably
related to the issues that we
659
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
had with having a different
offensive line coach pretty much
660
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,240
every damn year of the prior
regime.
661
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,920
So that that didn't help, but
you know, you can't let those
662
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,640
things go by the wayside because
you can get all the wide
663
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,320
receiver talent that you want.
You can get all these, you know,
664
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,880
really good players in the
secondary.
665
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080
You can get all those guys.
But if you're not dominating the
666
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,960
trenches, none of that matters.
It doesn't matter whatsoever.
667
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,160
And and to y'all's point, I love
what y'all said, Brian and Tally
668
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,760
about having those guys that
know you and know what you can
669
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,320
do to them.
And Moore had his already with
670
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,720
Rimac, Al Tuner and the Lucas
kid.
671
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,720
He got a fourth one.
Now Monty got his right because
672
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,080
I love that Tally because now if
Monty wants to go to the
673
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,280
offensive line and get on
somebody, I don't know, Muskrat
674
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,080
for the last six years, I
coached him at Auburn, I coached
675
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,320
him at Tulsa.
You got that piece and I think
676
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,280
we've all are.
I think we're all in agreement
677
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,720
here and y'all said it in some
way, shape or fashion.
678
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,680
I think right now, compared to
last year, this room is better
679
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,160
even without the guy, the elite
guy, right Tally, and that's me.
680
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,040
That's what Xavier Chaplin was.
It's almost like we traded away.
681
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
You see it in all sorts of MLB
deals.
682
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,120
We traded away the elite guy,
but everything we got back, we
683
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,920
got so much more in return,
right?
684
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,040
It's like you got Rymac, who's
all Big 12, you got Muskrat, who
685
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120
knows the system.
Altoona was a high end center
686
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,720
coming out.
It's like you don't want shit on
687
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,920
Xavier, but it's like if you had
to leave for us to get
688
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,600
effectively a full step better
at every other spot on this
689
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,360
line.
Right I.
690
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,520
Think we can live with it.
So, you know, all right, there's
691
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,960
the offensive line group.
I I can't wait till this summer
692
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,000
when we're all texting and we're
like, OK, who's the starting
693
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,080
five of the offense?
And we will probably argue about
694
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,680
it because it's going to be
arguments about it.
695
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,280
The summer period.
Let's keep that up.
696
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,360
The summer period is long and
we'll do what we can try and get
697
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000
some Intel, but it is long and
there's not a lot to sort of
698
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,440
tell, so that's the best time to
just throw stuff at the wall and
699
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680
see what happens in fall camp.
Exactly.
700
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,920
All right, let's flip now to I
thought this room was set.
701
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,600
I truly did.
I truly thought the wide
702
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,240
receiver room was set.
You know Aiden Green has played
703
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,600
you.
Weren't you weren't reading on
704
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,800
Vt scoop.com then?
Hey, listen, man, I probably was
705
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,600
at a baseball game at some point
in time.
706
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,840
The the reading, reading certain
things has to go out of the
707
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,680
window when you hit the baseball
field 6 out of seven days and
708
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Josh is already hitting it here.
Talk about Isaiah Spencer out of
709
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Jackson State, a guy with some
data and you don't talk about
710
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,400
some data.
You take a look at and play two
711
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,000
seasons down there, 70 right at
70 catches over 800 yards, 5
712
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,880
touchdowns.
Let's go ahead and talk about
713
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,000
where's the connection there?
Who knew this kid?
714
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,320
How did this come about?
You know, Colby, because again,
715
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,840
this was 1, I think I thought it
was going to not come to
716
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,440
fruition.
I was like, I think we're set.
717
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
We could probably use one, but I
don't.
718
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
I did not think we would get a
guy who had this much
719
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,960
production.
Where you see, OK, the tapes
720
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680
there, the production's there.
I don't care if it's at Jackson
721
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,640
State or not.
Yeah.
722
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200
So assistant head coach, wide
receiver, coach Fontell mines
723
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,360
kind of takes what he wants.
It's sort of what it comes down
724
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,680
to.
I mean, you go out there and
725
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,000
this is someone who is, I mean,
pretty highly regarded going
726
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,600
around in the portal getting
some pretty, pretty big
727
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,280
interest.
I know Baylor was really heavy
728
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,320
on him there at the end.
I know he cancelled that visit
729
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,640
right after he visited Virginia
Tech, but you had some pretty
730
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,520
big suitors after him.
I mean, evaluators seeing the
731
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,800
skill and really being high on
him.
732
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,680
And this was just another
honestly master class by
733
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Fontelle Mines and seeing what
he wanted, getting after it and
734
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,000
getting him into the fold.
So, yeah, I mean, we we can talk
735
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,080
more about it.
But yeah, just overall
736
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,160
recruitment wise, it's just.
Coach Mon's doing what he does.
737
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,880
And I think, you know, what you
got to sell now is a little bit
738
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,040
different than what you had to
sell under a bow and offense
739
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,240
because it's it's it's still a
mostly balanced attack, right?
740
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,360
You're still going to get a
pretty decent dose of the run.
741
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,280
But because of the pace of play,
you're going to run so many more
742
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,960
plays.
These wide receivers are going
743
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,160
to have so much more opportunity
to make plays in this offense.
744
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,480
That's the selling point and
that's why you're going to get a
745
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,800
chance to pull in a guy like
this in the spring window.
746
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Yeah, I'll circle back.
Oh, sorry, go.
747
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640
Ahead, go ahead.
Well, I'll circle back a little
748
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,680
bit.
I know Curtis said you thought
749
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,920
you were good in like the room
where it is, yes, 100%.
750
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,480
But going into the portal, the
spring portal at least it sort
751
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760
of heard obviously with Brody
Adams missing the spring with
752
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
the injury, they really like
where he's at and I think he'll
753
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
be back for fall.
But just him being down, you
754
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,520
obviously bring in Kim Seldon
who's making the position
755
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,920
switch.
And I, I really think he had a
756
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,720
great spring too.
But you bring him in Donovan
757
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,640
Green, I think a nice addition
as well, but someone who's
758
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,720
battled injury.
So you really look and then
759
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,240
behind them you have chance
Wiggins, Tucker Holloway, a
760
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,480
couple other guys.
So they went into this portal.
761
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Ideally they weren't they were
looking for.
762
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
I know they hosted Christian
Fitzpatrick, the guy from
763
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Marshall that we got one handed
catch on Montour to Lane.
764
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,760
People remember from last year
in Lane, but that was maybe what
765
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,920
we were hearing initially, a big
body, true vertical threat
766
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,080
because I think Brian was just
talking about the vertical
767
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,160
aspect of Monty's offense.
Someone who can really push down
768
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,000
the field that that big, maybe
prototypical NFL receiver.
769
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,920
You think about that NFL like X
body type or 64 bigger guy and
770
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,480
really push down the field.
But when this is a player maybe
771
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,360
6-2 out of 215, maybe maybe a
little smaller, but but someone
772
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,960
who is still just as a talent,
you can't not take.
773
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,160
I think that's why they went and
backfield here at wide receiver.
774
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Now, that's not to say the
younger guys that they've
775
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,320
brought in, like Keelan Chan's,
Micah Matthews, Snoke, Peter
776
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Kim, but I mean, Snoke's a guy
who he hasn't even stepped on
777
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,720
campus yet.
Mike, it was splitting time.
778
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,960
So like, they really like these
guys.
779
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960
You just want to bring them
along a little bit.
780
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000
So this is a guy who's ready to
sort of just bridge that gap a
781
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,040
little bit.
No, Yeah, exactly, exactly what
782
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,400
I was going to kind of go with.
It is what Kobe said.
783
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,240
It's because the one thing you
can't account for is injuries,
784
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,440
you know what I'm saying?
And you got to you bring a wide
785
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,320
receiver in that was has been
injured.
786
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,400
You know what I'm saying?
You got a wide receiver that
787
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,160
you're kind of start counting on
this injured.
788
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Injuries are going to happen.
You know, you look at Ally
789
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,160
Jennings went down last year.
Then where you go from there?
790
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,240
You kind of if you can get
talent, you get talent.
791
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,560
Same as I said with the
offensive line room, it's like,
792
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,520
give me 10 and let's see who
goes.
793
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,640
I understand it and you never
know somebody wants to leave.
794
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
You know you don't you don't
know what's going to happen in
795
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,240
today's football.
So when you have an opportunity
796
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,840
to go grab somebody that does
like you said, have some data
797
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:24,520
does I think somebody put 0
drops I mean, you go you got 0
798
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
drops in in two years yeah,
we'll take it.
799
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
You know, let's, let's, let's
see what you can do.
800
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,040
Let's put you in the in the in
an orange uniform because that's
801
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
where we win.
And let's see what let's see
802
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,240
what you can do because we've
kind of seen what happens when
803
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,680
you have to rely on younger
guys.
804
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,040
You like Tucker Holloway, which
is like one of my favorite
805
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,800
people to watch, but he's coming
off of an injury, you know what
806
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,120
I'm saying?
What kind of production does he
807
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,600
have?
You know, is he going to be
808
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,160
primarily on kick return?
Is he a punt return?
809
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,080
Is he going to be kind of back
to him all his old self?
810
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,720
You get these young guys in, are
they going to play like you got
811
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,520
this kid here who kind of has a
body of work.
812
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
So you got the opportunity to
get him.
813
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Let's grab him.
So I was excited for it.
814
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
I don't know how I, I haven't
been on Twitter much lately,
815
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,480
man.
So I don't know kind of how
816
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,840
people perceived it.
But when I seen it, I've seen
817
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,800
the kid a little bit, you know,
just from kind of watching
818
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,800
sports.
I've kind of seen him pop up on
819
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,160
some highlights and of course
seen some of his, some of his
820
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
tape and things like that.
And I'm like, I think that was a
821
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760
pretty good get.
And the more I dug into it, like
822
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280
I like it.
I'm not gassing it because I'm
823
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,440
not gassing nothing like we can
get Tom Brady in the building
824
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,640
now.
I'm still going to be whatever,
825
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080
but I'm just saying I do like
that it looked, it looked nice.
826
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,280
Yeah.
And you know, when we think
827
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,080
about like true deep threats in
this offense, you know, we got a
828
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,480
we got a couple guys that are
probably you haven't seen enough
829
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,360
of to feel like you can rely on
thinking of of chance Wiggins.
830
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,560
In this case, you got a
returning from injury Tucker
831
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Holloway and you don't really
have you're much else as far as
832
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
true deep threats.
And so you get a guy like this
833
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,520
that has that in his in his
toolbox, that's only going to
834
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,000
help consistency within the wide
receiver room and consistency
835
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,800
from the offense and being able
to attack downfield.
836
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Yeah.
So yeah, I kind of and y'all
837
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
kind of hit it in every way.
I kind of said this was almost
838
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,280
like a safety blanket pick up
because not necessarily the
839
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
skill level of those young guys,
but it's the it's the no
840
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,320
production there, right?
Or very small production
841
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
numbers.
And sometimes you just want that
842
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
guy that, you know, we've seen
his like Tally said, I've seen
843
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,120
him play.
I've seen his highlights.
844
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,200
He's out there on the field, not
saying Chan's and Brody.
845
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,400
Excuse me, Keelan.
Y'all can get in trouble with
846
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Miss Lester.
You better get it.
847
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Calling him Brody.
Yeah, I don't do that.
848
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,760
He's Keelan.
OK.
849
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,320
Keelan Adams.
All right, I'm I'm gonna end up
850
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,000
beating her one day.
She's like, thank you for
851
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,320
calling.
But but I think that's out
852
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,640
there.
I think that's why that
853
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,560
happened.
It was just like we need one
854
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
more production piece, because
even if these young guys blow up
855
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,360
to y'all's point where one piece
away from somebody going down
856
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
and be in the same damn place we
were last year.
857
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,440
And you know, by the way, shout
out Fontell, I told the boys
858
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,440
this, I'll tell you this, Kobe,
I ran into Fontelle on Friday,
859
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,720
Trader Joe's here in Richmond,
just walking there he is
860
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,040
standing didn't some shopping
done said he was up to see his
861
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Mama for for the day.
Shout out Coach Miles, good
862
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,280
talking with you a couple
minutes there.
863
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,920
But I like it because now you
look at that room and you're
864
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,320
like, you got proven guys.
You got these skilled, these
865
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,080
young, skillful guys.
Let's see if we can roll
866
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
something, but you know, try not
to gas it.
867
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,840
I'm going to gas a little more
in Tally.
868
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,760
Let's hit one last.
Well, actually there's two
869
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,160
because I want to talk about the
long snapper in a second here
870
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,520
because it's an incredible
story.
871
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,320
I can't remember if you wrote it
or Amber wrote it, Colby, but I
872
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,840
just want to talk about him.
But let's talk about Garrett
873
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,560
Rangel, quarterback coming out
of Oklahoma State.
874
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,080
Where did this come from?
Was it some?
875
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Was it something already with
Monty?
876
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,320
Did?
Did somebody else have a
877
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,240
relationship with him?
Because he'd been there backup
878
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,600
for a couple years, had played
in several games.
879
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680
So it wasn't like it was just,
oh, I'm sitting on the bench and
880
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960
I don't want to do that because
he ain't starting here right
881
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,600
away.
Yeah.
882
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,240
No.
Then when you talk about
883
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,840
initially with this recruitment
there, there were murmurs about
884
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,640
maybe looking to bring in
another quarterback with the
885
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,680
presumption.
I mean, pretty much all spring,
886
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,280
it was sort of writing on the
wall that Davi Belfort was going
887
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,720
to be transferring and looking
elsewhere this spring.
888
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,520
So then you look behind Kyron
and Pop and you got two kids who
889
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,720
just went to their Proms.
You know what I'm saying?
890
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,600
I mean, these guys are 1718
years old.
891
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000
They're, that's what I think
about like when I'm standing out
892
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,280
there for spring practice and I
look around at all the early
893
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,040
enrollees and these, I mean,
essentially high school players
894
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,320
are playing against fifth year
guys.
895
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,720
It really is crazy to think
about.
896
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,400
So when you sort of think about
that situation, think about how
897
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,240
many times Pop had to play last
year and he went into the year
898
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,480
as quarterback #3 so this year,
instead of sitting on Pop, who
899
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,160
redshirted, had a lot, he early
enrolled and redshirted and then
900
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
necked last year.
So this year, if you're in that
901
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,040
situation, you're playing Kelvin
Ryan or AJ Brand, who a year ago
902
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,240
that time were playing high
school football.
903
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,760
So I think that was just the big
situation.
904
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,520
Coach Montgomery bringing a new
offensive coordinator.
905
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
He obviously hasn't recruited a
quarterback to the school yet.
906
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,040
This is someone you're familiar
with, felt comfortable with and
907
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,520
was looking for a new spot as
well.
908
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,200
So it kind of just worked out
really organically and well.
909
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,360
And this is someone I think
Coach Montgomery really likes,
910
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,400
obviously, to bring in here, but
somebody has a relationship with
911
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,600
and I think someone who you
think can throw the ball around
912
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,080
the yard a little bit.
So that's something in fall camp
913
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,240
to watch.
Sure.
914
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,760
I mean, I might contribute to
some crazy fall storylines.
915
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,240
And we post enough clips of this
guy spinning in the fall.
916
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,720
Yeah.
And and it's a guy that you
917
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,440
know, has, it's not a one year
rental either.
918
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,520
It's a guy that has a, you know,
couple couple years of
919
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,160
eligibility.
So it's going to be, I think a
920
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,000
good thing to both short term
and long term push pop.
921
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,920
But also, you know, looking in
the in the short term, you're
922
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,320
looking at, you know, that
emergency quarterback situation
923
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,040
where, you know, we got to to
quarterback three last year,
924
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
even though we, you know, we, we
had a couple injuries here and
925
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,560
there and all of a sudden you're
playing your, your third string
926
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,400
quarterback.
So not having to play a guy that
927
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,920
was just fresh out of high
school and really honestly, up
928
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,840
until this point should still be
in high school.
929
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,520
You're both of those kids, you
know, under normal tracks.
930
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,120
So you didn't really want to get
yourself into that situation
931
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,400
where you're, you know, a true,
true freshman getting out there,
932
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,080
significant minutes, especially
breaking into a new offense and
933
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,760
all those things.
So you love having a guy that's
934
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,400
at least seen some some live
snaps at the college level has
935
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
already been in a system for a
little bit, kind of understands
936
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,120
what being a quarterback at this
level is all about.
937
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,320
So that that's going to be
important.
938
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,360
And I think that's going to be
good for us from a debt
939
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,640
perspective heading into the
fall.
940
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,240
Anything tally on this?
Not really man.
941
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,400
It kind of hit everything.
It it you can hit on that
942
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,600
situation.
It's just like, I guess the only
943
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,400
thing I'll say is I've seen the
video of Kelvin Ryan and I think
944
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,080
it was Jeff Overton and AJ Brand
doing that.
945
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080
I think it was break the ice.
Is that what it's called?
946
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,000
Yeah.
So I've seen that on.
947
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Yeah, I've seen that on
Instagram.
948
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120
And Kelvin Ryan does not look
like he was just that prom.
949
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,880
He looks like a strong ass man.
I know when I was in 12th grade
950
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,200
or even a freshman in college, I
did not have facial hair like
951
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,000
that.
I wasn't that big.
952
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:03,000
So it looked grown man.
But again, now I, I think that
953
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,000
at this point you just can't be
desperate.
954
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,240
You know what I'm saying?
Like we can't get into games and
955
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,720
be, I mean, you could be
desperate at the beginning to
956
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,560
that's not the right word.
You don't want to be desperate.
957
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,440
You want to be prepared, but you
want to be able to do what it
958
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,160
takes to win.
So if you have to mix some
959
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,360
things up to win, sure.
You don't want to get in the
960
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,760
game and go, we can't run the
ball because we don't have a, we
961
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,160
don't have a running back that
we trust or we, we, we can't do
962
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,640
this because we don't have a
quarterback.
963
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,840
So bringing in another
quarterback, you, you got to do
964
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,720
it.
You know what I'm saying?
965
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,480
And you can't play scared ball.
You can't go well, we don't want
966
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,640
to make our starting quarterback
mad because bringing this other
967
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,360
guy in is going to cut man.
Can't do that.
968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,880
Injuries happen, there is a
transport portal.
969
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,960
You know, I know that there's
always talks of you know I'm
970
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,240
here till the end and you just
never know what's going to
971
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,200
happen nowadays.
So great.
972
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,520
I mean great pick up to go pick
up somebody who has played.
973
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,800
What I love to see when we bring
somebody in is somebody has some
974
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,920
kind of you got some kind of
experience.
975
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,600
You know what I'm saying?
You're able to get into a game
976
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
and look like you've been there
even with like college league
977
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,560
last year, right.
You know, when we brought him
978
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,600
in, it was kind of a shock that
we brought him in.
979
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,400
To me, that's thinking like why
they bring this dude in.
980
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,720
But in the long term scheme of
things, I mean, when he got on
981
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,320
the field, he looked like he
knew what he was doing, you know
982
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,600
what I'm saying?
So it was a much different
983
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,800
quarterback than somebody who's
just fresh out of high school to
984
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,640
have somebody with some college
experience and kind of knows the
985
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,240
speed of the game.
So picking up the quarterback
986
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,640
and bringing them in, you know,
especially with Kyron kind of
987
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,200
being on ice right now, you
know, praying that all of his,
988
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,480
his his recovery is great when
he comes back and he comes back,
989
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,280
you know, better than he was
last year just because we didn't
990
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,640
get to see the full potential of
what he was because of injuries.
991
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,960
So, yeah, I, I, I just love
competition, man.
992
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,160
Like I tell my kid all the time,
you know, if you don't like
993
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,560
competition, don't play sports.
If you just want somebody to put
994
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,160
you there because you're
supposed to be there, you don't
995
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,320
need to play.
So I say bring when pride was on
996
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,600
this show.
What do you say, Curtis?
997
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,640
I'm bringing in somebody to take
your spot.
998
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:15,480
Yes, all right.
And he said that the first time
999
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,480
we ever talked to him.
Bring somebody in to take your
1000
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,360
job.
You got to, you got to live by
1001
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,000
that, especially when you're
1616.
1002
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,280
You.
Know what I'm saying?
1003
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,240
Like you got to, you got to, you
got to, you got to have that
1004
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,040
mentality, so.
And I love it, Brian, you
1005
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840
mentioned and I think we'll,
we'll wrap this one up with
1006
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,320
this.
You said it perfectly.
1007
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Pop now cannot get comfortable.
Pop has got to push himself as
1008
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,680
hard as he did last year to keep
up with Schlee.
1009
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Because it's like, you know
what, you got the experience
1010
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,800
last year.
You, we know you can get on the
1011
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,640
field and play.
But we also don't want to be in
1012
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,440
that situation where last year
we had to throw Pop in the game
1013
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,320
for the first time and he did
OK.
1014
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,320
And it was great to see that
that really all that preparation
1015
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,560
got him ready.
But we're sitting back here.
1016
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,000
Do we want to put AJ or Kelvin
in that situation if something
1017
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
screwed up happens because you
know, that's that's the luck of
1018
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,640
the hokey.
Sun's liable screwed up.
1019
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,240
Instead you get to, I'm not
saying keep them on ice, but you
1020
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,720
get them.
Ron, you said it, their
1021
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,360
developmental path.
You guys are not going to play
1022
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,840
this year.
We now have 3 quarterbacks.
1023
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Cavern started a bunch of games,
Pop started some games he's got
1024
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,080
on the field.
And you know, Garrett Rangel has
1025
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,920
played in 13 games, thrown
almost 200 passes in three
1026
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,640
seasons.
That's a lot of passes.
1027
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,960
So I think we're at a good spot
there.
1028
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,960
All right, real quick, Colby, I
don't want to go into the
1029
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,960
everything about him any long
snapper, but if for those who
1030
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,720
didn't get a read on it, just
give us a little bit because you
1031
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:52,000
wrote an article back in April
about Drew Dole and I, I read it
1032
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,280
a couple days ago and I didn't
have his name on here at 1st and
1033
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,720
then I threw it on here because
what a story right for this guy.
1034
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,120
Yeah, I don't, I don't have it
up right now.
1035
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,440
Like I said, I'm in the Outer
Banks.
1036
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
But I mean, just a quick
synopsis of him.
1037
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,160
Obviously long snapper, maybe
not the most glamorous pick up
1038
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,320
of the transfer portal, but if
ever remembers how a bad
1039
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,360
exchange snap can go, you know
I'm not going to go much
1040
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,120
further.
But you know it's from the place
1041
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,320
where I'm from where it
happened.
1042
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,360
So anyways but.
Yeah, so.
1043
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,400
Long snapper, very important
anyways.
1044
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,160
But look, going back to Drew
Doyle, what an incredible story.
1045
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Someone who went and served in
the the US Navy and then went to
1046
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,240
Iowa State as a walk on after he
finished his service.
1047
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,320
I believe four years.
I don't want to misquote it.
1048
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
OK Yeah.
I believe he served four years
1049
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,520
then went to Iowa State to
continue his education.
1050
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,280
Walked onto the football team
and now to go enter the transfer
1051
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,520
portal coming to Virginia Tech.
Obviously such a massive
1052
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,000
emphasis on the core cadets.
I think just a really incredible
1053
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,720
story to have someone go and
continue their educational and
1054
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,280
playing career, which is really
amazing.
1055
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,000
So I, I think obviously I don't
think you could have hurt for
1056
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,560
that leadership to have in the
locker room.
1057
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040
I don't think there is any I, I
can't relate personally, but
1058
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,920
obviously a football locker room
has a great brotherhood, but I
1059
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,800
would imagine that the US Navy
has an incredible brotherhood.
1060
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,760
So anytime you can bring a
leader like that into the locker
1061
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,480
room, I think that's a great ad.
100% in In reading the story
1062
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,040
here four years.
You you, you remember the story
1063
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,480
you wrote?
Well, Colby, just a few weeks
1064
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,480
ago, four years in the Navy,
walked on, got got a preferred
1065
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,480
walk on spot once he came on.
So he was basically borderline
1066
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,840
about to be on a scholarship.
But Tally, you're going to love
1067
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,800
this.
He's a combat medic.
1068
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,560
We got somebody on the sideline
now that can work on these guys
1069
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,240
when we get hurt.
But hopefully we don't get hurt.
1070
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,680
But yeah, we don't hurt.
Hopefully that's, I mean that's,
1071
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,280
that's good that we can do.
That I feel like half the show
1072
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,960
we've been talking about, but
injuries happen.
1073
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,520
But injuries happen you.
Know.
1074
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,840
The whole crazy way.
Because like, I feel like, you
1075
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,320
know, either those injury bugs
hit you so hard, it's just so
1076
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,880
debilitating or it's like it
kind of just flutters around you
1077
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,880
a little bit there.
There's never like a middle
1078
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,320
ground where you're like
comfortable.
1079
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,320
It's either it, it, it stays
away or it like just completely
1080
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,000
runs right there debilitate you.
It's.
1081
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Right in your face, constant and
you're like, he's hurt.
1082
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,200
We hurt again.
Jeezy, I let's flip over to the
1083
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,880
defensive side of the ball and
obviously the defensive line was
1084
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,880
the standout room for that side.
And each guy probably has their
1085
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,560
own story and how they arrived.
But for you kind of looking
1086
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,520
through on Kobe and kind of
thinking back as you're, you
1087
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,120
know, reading what's going on
with them, seeing where they're
1088
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,240
coming from, what kind of stood
out for you on each of these
1089
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,760
guys, you got Cody Hussman,
Elijah Fall and Emmanuel
1090
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Hickman.
Yeah, I'll go down the list and
1091
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,720
just kicking it back to what
Tally said earlier.
1092
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,280
It's all, I mean, it's all about
the trenches.
1093
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,360
When you build out any football
team, you got to start in the
1094
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,880
trenches.
Obviously new offensive
1095
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,360
coordinator try to get his line
straight.
1096
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,480
New defensive coordinator wants
to get his front look straight.
1097
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,840
So coming in, you mentioned Cody
Heisman, the kid from North
1098
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,880
Dakota State Super that that was
a guy initially in the portal
1099
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,720
they set their eyes on targeted
and they're really, really,
1100
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,400
really high on now, don't get me
wrong.
1101
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Kamari Copeland and Kelvin
Gilliam, I think you can pencil
1102
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,000
in maybe almost in Sharpie now.
I think those two guys with the
1103
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
spring and what they've done on
the field here, obviously for
1104
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,960
Gilliam and the way they've LED
themselves in the locker room,
1105
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,000
in the classroom, outside of the
field, I think those two guys
1106
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,000
you can maybe pencil in a
starters.
1107
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
There's going to be a lot of
rotations, odd fronts, different
1108
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,320
fronts.
This is a guy who's going to
1109
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640
factor in a lot.
I think Cody Heisman, someone
1110
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
who's going to make a big
impact, someone they set out for
1111
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,960
her to get and to land.
I think they love his body type,
1112
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,920
what he brings.
He was all MVFCI believe is the
1113
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,200
conference what it's called OK,
and someone who I think is going
1114
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,600
to factor in pretty heavily.
Then you go down L my gosh, I'm
1115
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,520
going to mess up his name.
I'm so sorry.
1116
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,200
L had fall, I believe is how you
say it, but this is someone I I
1117
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,640
talked, I talked to and before
the visit he was excited after
1118
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,960
the visit said it went well.
And then it was it sort of
1119
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,720
seemed like one of those deals
where maybe he was going to
1120
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,000
fizzle out just because he was
going to go on another visit or
1121
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,760
something.
And then I'm at the golf course,
1122
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,880
I'm on the putting green, I get
a notification he committed.
1123
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,120
So I it was just one of those
things where there were smoke
1124
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,160
around it, but it seemed like
something I was going to drag
1125
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,720
out and then just all of a
sudden he was in the boat.
1126
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,200
So I believe he has two years of
eligibility left coming from
1127
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:37,280
Georgia Southern, someone with
multiple years just you got it
1128
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,600
like it's the trenches.
It's hard to find these guys who
1129
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,080
are walking around 290, two, 95
lbs.
1130
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,880
So you just got to load up
there.
1131
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,760
And then Emanuel Hickman, you
want to talk about maybe the
1132
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,680
someone who didn't surprise me
leaving someone who surprised me
1133
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,600
coming in.
This was the one true that
1134
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,120
caught me way off guard.
I was monitoring Michael Short,
1135
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,520
which happened I believe 1015
minutes right after this.
1136
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,640
But I just got my Qdoba Bowl
from Turner's Hall.
1137
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,720
If anyone's familiar with
Virginia Tech campus, I'm coming
1138
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,840
back.
It's a beautiful day.
1139
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
I'm sitting on my patio and all
of a sudden I see Emmanuel
1140
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,720
Hickman and I had to scramble
and and catch myself up with
1141
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,680
this.
But this is someone.
1142
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,560
I believe with one year left,
he's played a ton of college
1143
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,680
football.
I think started at East Carolina
1144
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,200
then went down to USF, Didn't
play last year.
1145
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,880
But someone like I said, the
body type, what he can bring.
1146
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,320
I think he'll also factor on the
field with A11 year left.
1147
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,880
And when you bring in all these
guys, I think from the fans for
1148
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,640
just everything, he can get
discouraging when you hear so
1149
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,360
much about Emmett Laws, Gerard
Johnson, even James Jeanette,
1150
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,160
just guys specifically those
guys.
1151
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,280
But Andrew Hanchuk, just guys
like that who you've recruited
1152
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,440
and been in the program and look
like they're making strides and
1153
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320
are making strides.
And it's instantly well, are
1154
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,520
these guys not doing the right
things?
1155
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,880
Well, no.
It's just in the way college
1156
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,640
football is now.
You kind of just you have to
1157
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240
continue like like you guys
mentioned when pride was on
1158
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,560
here, I'm bringing in someone to
take your spot.
1159
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,080
And it's not that you guys are
doing anything wrong.
1160
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,400
It's just every single day the
man next to you is going to be
1161
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,400
competing and, and wanting to
take what's yours.
1162
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,120
So I, I, I'm still think and
spring wise, Emmett and Gerard
1163
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Johnson specifically, even
Christian Evans, early enrollee
1164
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Christian Evans, I thought had a
really great spring.
1165
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,960
So overall, I think the
defensive line room's in a great
1166
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,400
place, but that doesn't mean
take your foot off the gas.
1167
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,640
And because with how many fronts
and substitutions I think
1168
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,800
they're going to be running, I
think you're going to want as
1169
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,000
many of those bodies as you can.
Yeah, that difference of line
1170
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,840
being, no, that difference of
line has has quietly been, I
1171
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,840
don't even want to say quietly,
but they've been doing some
1172
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,880
work, man.
When you start to think about
1173
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,720
all of the portal ads that they
had, and I know people be
1174
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,640
jumping on JC, man, I always
like JC, but people jumping on
1175
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,480
JC saying he couldn't recruit or
he spent too much time at
1176
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,040
Sharky's the way I don't know
whatever the place is that he
1177
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,480
likes to go Drake.
But I'm like, man, when you
1178
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,240
start to look at the names and
look at the production that they
1179
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,160
brought in the people we ain't
even seeing like what's the kid
1180
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,800
named the the redhead kid being
Bill.
1181
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,160
No, you think about Bill and.
John and John.
1182
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,560
Creek and these three guys like
the people that you already have
1183
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,840
there, it's like you have to
have we keep saying you have to
1184
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,320
have a lot of different pieces
that can fit that puzzle and I
1185
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,000
feel like they're they're
they're trying to get there, not
1186
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,440
desperation, but I feel like the
heat is on.
1187
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,280
I feel like prize the coach and
the coaching staff.
1188
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,760
I do think this is the best
coaching staff he's had since
1189
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,800
he's been here.
I'll say that.
1190
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,800
So I'm going to be mad sometimes
I've been calm because Kobe's
1191
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,520
here.
I got that right in front of my
1192
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,280
boy.
But I do feel like this is the
1193
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,360
best coaching staff that he's
had while he's been here.
1194
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,800
But I do feel like there is a
sense of urgency with what I've
1195
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,840
seen them doing as far as the
additions that they're bringing
1196
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,920
and the production that they're
bringing.
1197
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,480
It's not like, well, we can
develop this person and this,
1198
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,800
but like they're trying to do
something to generate some
1199
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,880
production and wins now, you
know what I'm saying?
1200
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,000
So what Kobe said when you're
thinking about some of the young
1201
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,320
guys like, man, if I don't get
it done this year, shoot, I
1202
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,960
might not be here to coach you.
I got to make something happen.
1203
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,320
Now we at least got to have the
trajectory going the right way
1204
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,200
so I can get these fans off my
back.
1205
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,000
So I think that they are, I
think that they are, you know
1206
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,840
what I'm saying, kind of moving
in the right direction.
1207
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,320
I, I was hesitant to say it, but
I'm going to be I, I do think
1208
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,560
they're moving in the right
direction, man, and I'm excited.
1209
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:51,360
I'm excited to see like what
what we have, which route the
1210
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,680
the schemes go and and the
players as well.
1211
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Yeah, I I think tally your your
concern is that is this too
1212
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,000
little too late?
Not that these aren't good
1213
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,440
moves.
It's is that is it?
1214
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Is it too little too late?
And you know, I'm gonna I'll say
1215
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,240
this, you know, talking about
Cody Heisman When I when I when
1216
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:13,920
I see and hear 64283, I'm like,
that's going to be a an odd man
1217
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,520
front DN right there.
That that that's, that's like
1218
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,920
prototypical size when you go
odd front.
1219
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,760
So that's what I expect him to,
to kind of slot in as I don't
1220
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,840
think he's necessarily going to
be that that front frontline guy
1221
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,560
on a on an even front, but he's
probably going to be one of the
1222
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,040
guys coming in when we go with
with some of those odd front
1223
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,600
looks.
So excited to see what he can do
1224
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,160
in in that capacity.
The other two I feel like are
1225
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,440
definitely going to be be those
interior guys, you know, 295
1226
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,240
plus in both cases, you know,
6364, these guys are going to
1227
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,080
still be shooting gaps, but
they're also going to be
1228
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,120
occupying blockers at the same
time.
1229
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,640
And I'm excited that we're
getting more bodies in there
1230
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,160
because when we talk about
offensive line is all about your
1231
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,080
best five and then having some
depth.
1232
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,520
Defensive line is all about how
many bodies can you send out
1233
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,520
there.
Keep those bodies fresh.
1234
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,120
You need to be at least 2 deep,
if not 3 deep in every position
1235
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,680
on the defensive line to feel
like you're in a good place.
1236
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,080
And so the more bodies we get in
in that capacity, the better.
1237
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,440
My question about the what's his
name Cody Heisman or Cody who's
1238
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,600
man or whatever his name.
My question is I have not looked
1239
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,560
at him at all like does he have
long hair?
1240
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,400
Is his hair long?
No.
1241
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,800
His hair is not long.
He's got to grow his hair out
1242
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,440
because any white boy that plays
on a defensive line at Virginia
1243
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,680
Tech with long hair, like they
usually do a good job when you
1244
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,800
go back to like Jerrod Hewitt or
even like Vinny Mohoda or
1245
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,760
something.
Not saying they got to be a
1246
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,760
superstar, but they just made
plays.
1247
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,440
He's got to have some hair
hanging out of his helmet and I
1248
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,360
think he's going to be alright.
No disrespect to Cody, but he
1249
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,880
looks like a white kid from
Iowa.
1250
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,280
Yeah, we got to.
We got to grow that hell, man,
1251
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,640
it gets cold.
Blacksburg.
1252
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,120
We got to grow the.
Hell, let's, let's, let's make
1253
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,560
sure we clip this section.
We'll make this the real and put
1254
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,160
it out there on Instagram so
Cody sees it and by by August
1255
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,320
Colby of Texas be like it's to
his back already.
1256
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,520
It's grown out.
It's grown out.
1257
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,280
He listened to you.
Got to.
1258
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,160
Be I need shoulder length by the
end of August.
1259
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Got to be defensive line
sometimes that don't work out.
1260
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,400
You know what I'm saying?
Even the wild though when that
1261
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,240
hair hanging out like man, they
make some plays so they.
1262
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Bad they bad.
And those vote for Ben Bell
1263
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,440
then?
Oh man, that kid got a handful
1264
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,360
air.
So does Yonkum.
1265
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,920
Yeah, and he's already kind of
proven it down in Texas State.
1266
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Like we got to have 10 sacks a
couple years ago.
1267
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,240
Like you know what he's doing.
I say this and and I wanted to
1268
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,200
y'all kind of hit on it in
variations, but I think the
1269
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,280
other reason this was done
because you mentioned y'all
1270
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,880
mentioned Jerrod Johnson,
Emanuel Laws and they're taking
1271
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,560
steps, they're looking good.
But when the average college
1272
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:06,160
football offense snaps the ball
75 * a game, that's about the
1273
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,240
average, right?
That's not the low end.
1274
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,480
That's not the high end because
you got some teams running 90
1275
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,480
plays, you got some are slowing
it down.
1276
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,960
I think these guys are brought
in more so to say, not that we
1277
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:23,520
don't trust you, but you aren't
there to take 25 snaps a game.
1278
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,440
By the time you get to 15,
you're.
1279
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,640
Going to keep rotating.
You got to keep rotating.
1280
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,440
But in this case with having
these guys who have experience,
1281
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,480
you probably know they're
they're they're game shaped
1282
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,160
ready.
You got Copeland, you got
1283
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,680
Gilliam already.
We slipped these guys in.
1284
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:42,000
Now we can introduce laws in
Gerard in 8 to 12 snaps a game
1285
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,680
we ain't.
Killing them and see they kind.
1286
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,480
Of.
Yeah, And they kind of did a
1287
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,080
little bit of that last year was
like, what's the kid's name?
1288
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,560
He looked really good last year.
Aisen Stevens.
1289
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,000
Aisen Stevens, Right.
So you got all these.
1290
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,720
You got all these people that we
depended on and the names we
1291
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,520
were hearing.
Like nobody talked about Aisen
1292
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,240
Stevens at the beginning of the
year.
1293
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Then he pops in the game and
you're like, who the hell is
1294
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,520
that?
Why does he look bigger than all
1295
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:05,560
the rest of them?
And what is?
1296
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,040
And he goes in and he does not
like jumping off the page as far
1297
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,680
as stats goes, but he does a
good job.
1298
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,960
You know what I'm saying?
You can do that when you have
1299
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,640
depth, like that's a football
team.
1300
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,040
Like you said, you're running
all these plays and then you're
1301
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,760
able to interject some of these
guys in or you know that this
1302
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,160
kid has some upside like an
Emmett Laws because Emmett Laws
1303
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,160
is a smaller guy to be playing
defensive line, right?
1304
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,720
But you don't need more tally.
He's 295 now, dude.
1305
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,080
He ain't small no more.
Right.
1306
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,880
I'm thinking height wise though,
so yeah, no, size watch is not
1307
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,040
where he's supposed to be, but
you know what I'm saying?
1308
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,439
You think like he's a young guy,
but you know, he's got some
1309
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,479
talent, but you don't want to
force him to play, you know what
1310
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,600
I'm saying?
When you think about it, in the
1311
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,240
past we had somebody maybe like
a Josh Fuga.
1312
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:58,720
Josh Fuga should have gave you
15 snaps a game, maybe 20 snaps
1313
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,359
a game.
But then when you start to get
1314
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,520
into the 30 snaps a game with a
player like that, it kind of
1315
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,479
looks like it he he falls off or
he's out of place or something
1316
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,359
like that.
So bringing in that extra help
1317
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,399
and bringing in that extra
depth, man, I think it's going
1318
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,880
to bode well for us.
And I'm interested to see, like
1319
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,439
I said, kind of what Cephas
does.
1320
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:23,200
I hope I got his name right.
He looks like to me like young
1321
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,880
enough where he can do some
innovative stuff, you know, not
1322
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,040
just old school.
We going to do this.
1323
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,439
This is the only thing that
works sometimes you got to
1324
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,319
change to your players, and he
looks like a guy that can do
1325
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,720
that.
Kind of doing a little bit of
1326
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,680
research on him.
He seems like a guy that'll do
1327
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,479
that as well.
Is why I feel like we're
1328
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,640
bringing in some different guys
with some different skill sets.
1329
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,240
So another thing that I'm
excited about, yeah.
1330
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,520
Yeah, I mean, he seems like a
guy that's going to do a couple
1331
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,680
things.
He's going to keep things as
1332
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,840
simple as they need to be while
still being confusing and
1333
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,480
complex when looking at it from
an offensive standpoint.
1334
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:10,280
But at at the same time is going
to not only adapt to take away
1335
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,440
the strength of what the offense
is doing to it, but also adapt
1336
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:17,280
to the strengths of the
personnel that he has.
1337
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,560
And that's what kind of being
multiple and having these
1338
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,160
different ways to align and
assign in the defense are
1339
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,960
important.
Hey, I got to break something
1340
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,200
up.
What?
1341
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,000
Jim put put that, put that
comment that Jim Gilmore put up.
1342
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,640
You see it?
No, no, not not Jim West.
1343
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,360
Jim James Gilmore.
I'm sorry.
1344
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,040
James Gilmore.
Yeah, put that up.
1345
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,480
You should have just looked at
him and said why?
1346
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,600
That's what you should have
said.
1347
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,920
Why, man, Why didn't you help
the offensive line when you was
1348
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,840
here?
You went to coach offensive
1349
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:51,920
line.
Why didn't you help?
1350
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,640
Why?
That's all I'm going to say
1351
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,240
about that.
Go ahead, Curtis.
1352
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:02,280
All right, let's let's jump over
to the linebacker room because,
1353
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,440
because trust, if the tally was
on that flight, tally would have
1354
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:06,440
Oh.
I'm asking.
1355
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,280
I got to ask.
You got to ask him, hey, what's
1356
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,360
going on?
Let's go to the linebacker room
1357
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,000
because obviously a room that,
you know, they moved Cam Fleming
1358
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,280
there, they were home, a couple
other guys, maybe McDonald would
1359
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,040
take one more step.
Nobody popped.
1360
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,520
So right then you're sitting
there with Gabe Williams injury.
1361
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:33,680
It's literally Caleb Jayden and
Caleb Spencer and maybe George
1362
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,360
balance on short yard situations
based on what we saw in the
1363
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,400
spring game.
That's not a lot of depth.
1364
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,280
So these guys have played
somewhat.
1365
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,680
So do you think the selling
point was probably these guys
1366
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,200
you're going to play, we're
going to rotate, you ain't going
1367
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,480
to be sitting on the bench
getting or just special team
1368
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,040
snaps you're going to play.
Do you think that was a selling
1369
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,120
point to both Short and
Santiago?
1370
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,720
Yeah, I mean, 100% that comes
into it when you when you look
1371
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,320
at that linebacker room overall,
the talent is hired, but you
1372
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,120
look at a Gabe Williams, someone
who's obviously injury in that
1373
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Clemson game, tragic, but some
of you're probably not going to
1374
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,920
be counting on this fall.
You look at like, why was his
1375
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,840
name slipped me Jordan Bass,
someone who you bring in talent
1376
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,240
level, you know the the measure
rules, but he's still two O 6,
1377
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,200
maybe 210 now, like coming off
an injury.
1378
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,600
It's you don't know if it's
going to happen this fall.
1379
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,040
You'd love to have him in the
room, but just you got to think
1380
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,840
about like Tal, he's saying you
don't know if you're going to
1381
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,280
make it.
You like you got to play this
1382
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,760
fall.
So and then you talk about
1383
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,280
obviously Caleb Woodson, Jaden
Keller, Caleb Spencer and then
1384
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,600
George balance there you have
the two clatter ball went
1385
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,360
through early enrollee.
You have no chambers coming in
1386
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,560
this summer.
So you got bodies in that room.
1387
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,200
But you got to talk about live
reps and Michael Short.
1388
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,200
He's only two years of
eligibility, maybe only one year
1389
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,280
playing.
I believe he had 23 tackles last
1390
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,800
year, mid 70s PFF grade.
But he was a special teams
1391
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,440
captain for UNC.
He did like he played so many
1392
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,600
special team snaps.
He did all the little things,
1393
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,120
didn't maybe rotate in as much
at linebacker, but this is
1394
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,280
someone they are really high on.
Michael Short I think could
1395
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,960
factor pretty heavily in and
that's not to take away from
1396
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,080
Caleb Spencer.
I think Caleb Spencer, honestly,
1397
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,520
body wise, everything wise maybe
will surprise people most this
1398
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,840
fall, but I think you had to go
out and obviously mess with that
1399
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,480
linebacker and Michael Short, I
think someone who can do it on
1400
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,000
both phases of special teams and
defense.
1401
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:39,760
And I think the measurable 6-3,
maybe 622252 thirty.
1402
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,720
I mean, that is what you want.
Antoine Santiago still kind of
1403
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,680
in that same ballpark where he's
not a 510 backer sitting around
1404
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,480
202 ten.
These are big linebackers on the
1405
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,640
inside, not afraid of contact.
They can move well, which is
1406
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,120
what I think you're looking for.
So Santiago I think is a little
1407
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,600
bit more, I believe the quote
was that we had an article or
1408
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,440
from someone his best balls
ahead of him, maybe more
1409
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,880
projected upside, but you got to
bring that into the room.
1410
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,960
But when you mentioned where it
was and what's available to have
1411
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,840
someone who can go run and hit
and strike and someone who can
1412
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,600
eat up field and be meshed and
still has a couple years left, I
1413
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,520
think you got to take him.
And then Michael Short, I think
1414
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:25,080
is someone who they believe
could factor in potentially
1415
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,800
immediately depending how camp
goes.
1416
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,760
So I think really great pickups,
something you had to do when you
1417
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,520
look at that room.
So we're really valuable gets
1418
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,040
here late in the spring,
honestly.
1419
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Yeah, definitely both.
Like you said, size wise is
1420
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:44,520
about 6323246364.
That's much different than a
1421
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,000
510, even 6 foot backer.
You know what I'm saying?
1422
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,360
No disrespect to Brumfield.
I think Brumfield's a great guy.
1423
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,840
But playing in the ACC when he
came here from where he came
1424
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,320
from was much different than
what he's seen, you know?
1425
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,240
And you can kind of see that
when he came up to make tackles,
1426
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,320
could be in the right place,
maybe a little light because the
1427
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,160
running backs that you're
hitting, the lineman that you're
1428
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,520
taking on, it takes a toll on
you.
1429
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,120
So you got to have a little bit
more mass, I guess, to be as
1430
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,440
much crap as people talk about
the ACC, it's still a pretty big
1431
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:23,480
Football Conference.
So getting those linebackers in,
1432
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:28,200
like Kobe said, with the size
that is at least the standard,
1433
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,680
I'm guessing because they're
both about the same size.
1434
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:35,560
So I'm guessing when they're
looking at a a A linebacker,
1435
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,400
they're probably saying we want
them to be about 6-3 and about
1436
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,920
2:30.
Yeah, look at Woodson.
1437
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,480
Look at Woodson.
We go through spring and like
1438
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:49,480
when even when I'm in spring,
it's all about the people who
1439
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,320
haven't popped.
Maybe I didn't like even give
1440
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,720
the flowers to Caleb Woodson.
That guy threw hunger drills.
1441
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,160
What he did to his body is
someone because he played a lot
1442
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,760
last year and he played I think
overall really well last year.
1443
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,440
Someone who maybe didn't get his
flowers through springs is
1444
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,120
almost expected the standard
someone who's going to be there.
1445
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,520
But I think this is someone who
is really going to step up and,
1446
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,960
and lead this defense this year.
So I, I think when you look at
1447
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,480
Woodson, that is honestly the
prototypical running mate they
1448
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,400
want to have.
And I think they found two guys
1449
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,440
who they can mesh and build into
that.
1450
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,640
And Caleb Spencer, I know a lot
of people haven't seen him since
1451
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,720
last year was playing that star
position carrying a little less
1452
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,280
weight.
He has done an incredible job
1453
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,640
with Coach Ferg in the weight
room.
1454
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,320
He looks, I mean, very similar.
I think by fall camp he he could
1455
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,720
really make a push there.
I got to I got to go take a look
1456
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,040
at him because I mean, he jumped
off a tape a lot of times when
1457
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,720
he was in and then he just kind
of fell off.
1458
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,520
Like we didn't see him anymore,
you know, later in the spring,
1459
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,200
later in the season and stuff.
So I don't know what happened,
1460
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,680
but I remember watching him and
was like, Dang, man, he can move
1461
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,760
and you know, he could hit just
he did a lot of stuff good from
1462
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,600
what I remember.
But I also remember we just
1463
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,960
didn't see him anymore, maybe
missed a couple tackles.
1464
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,440
And then I don't know if he gets
in the doghouse with the
1465
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:06,200
coaching staff, whatever the
case is, but to hear you, you
1466
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,720
know, boots on the ground talk
about what he looks like, what
1467
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,640
his body looks like, he's taking
it serious.
1468
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,000
That's energetic to me.
You know what I'm saying?
1469
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,320
To make me think like, OK, if
he's hitting the weight room and
1470
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,920
he's taking it serious like
this, he's ready to take that
1471
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,360
next step.
You got to have guys like that.
1472
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,480
Because I remember looking at
Caleb Woodson.
1473
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,080
Like, I mean, most people
should, but I remember looking
1474
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,960
at Caleb Woodson.
I think it was at the spring
1475
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,760
game when they were introducing
the new freshman and I was like,
1476
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,920
Curtis, that dude's going to be
good, man.
1477
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,720
Like he just came out of high
school.
1478
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,080
He looked like that.
Like, how do you come out of
1479
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,280
high school looking like that,
man?
1480
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,400
You know what I'm saying?
And my Mama didn't have enough
1481
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,280
money to feed me to, for me to
look like that, you know what
1482
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,480
I'm saying?
And I didn't have the mind to go
1483
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:50,720
to the weight room to look like
that.
1484
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,880
But a lot of these guys kind of
man, they, they, that's what
1485
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,480
they do now.
And that Caleb Woodson build,
1486
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,760
like you say, it is probably
about what a Virginia Tech
1487
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,720
linebacker should look like,
what a linebacker in general.
1488
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:10,120
OK, 100% real quick, people
might be saying undersized
1489
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,760
linebackers.
This isn't going to work.
1490
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,480
This is every linebacker that
was on Arizona swab last year.
1491
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:28,720
622-3861, 228-622-2056 Foot,
225-622-2963 236-1246 Guess
1492
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,920
what?
The linebackers we currently
1493
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,480
have literally fit that mold.
Like that is NFL guys.
1494
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,640
That's not that's not other
college guys.
1495
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,960
That's NFL players that Sam
Cepheus coached in that defense
1496
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,200
last year.
Ron, what you got?
1497
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,400
Well, I think this this thing
and I'll let I'll let Kobe jump
1498
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,400
in on James's comment here in
just a second.
1499
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:54,320
But you know, you were you were
comparing those sizes.
1500
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,360
But when we talk about this type
of defense and being multiple
1501
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,200
and being having some
flexibility and some position
1502
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:07,200
fluidity, you're not going to
have those like prototypical 3-4
1503
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,240
inside linebackers like your Ray
Lewis's and stuff like that.
1504
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,760
You're not going to have guys
that need to be 250 but still
1505
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,880
run sideline to sideline.
They're still going to be a
1506
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,520
little bit lighter.
And I think that plays into how
1507
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,120
we can recruit because we've
shown a propensity to be able to
1508
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,840
recruit not necessarily
undersized line, but not
1509
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,960
necessarily linebackers that
would fit, you know, hand in
1510
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,800
glove in the SEC.
We we've always been a little
1511
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,840
bit more undersized than than
that type of linebacker.
1512
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,560
And I've been as far as who were
able to recruit consistently.
1513
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,960
And I think this kind of plays
into where our bread and butter
1514
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,600
is from that perspective, both
in the footprint where we
1515
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,640
recruit and just historically
the guys I've been able to bring
1516
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,640
in.
Yeah, I'll jump in.
1517
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,200
James, appreciate you dropping
that in.
1518
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:56,960
Difference in explosiveness or
energy?
1519
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,240
Yeah.
I mean, I think overall there
1520
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,560
was a heightened sense of
urgency, intensity, focus on
1521
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:09,320
every position group, every
segment of I mean from periods 1
1522
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,400
to period 40, it was locked in
ball security.
1523
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,680
You didn't have guys messing
around, I mean locked in.
1524
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,560
And I think that was the new
coordinators obviously trickling
1525
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,320
down to the position coaches.
A lot were the same, obviously
1526
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,080
at Matt Moore, Coach Wilson,
some other guys.
1527
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,760
But there was definitely
heightened intensity of
1528
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,240
understanding what was at stake.
And I think a lot of that
1529
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,560
trickles down from Ferg.
We're not in there for hunger
1530
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,560
drills, but just even hearing
personal accounts, secondhand
1531
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,360
accounts, yes, there was a
different level through all of
1532
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,040
winter workouts and hunger
drills.
1533
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:52,880
And yes, Coach Ferg, if there's
one thing to hang the hat on, I
1534
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,400
think physically, and I think
you'll see it, I think they'll
1535
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,560
be physically in better shape,
more prepared, ready for the
1536
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,400
season.
That is great to hear.
1537
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,720
Great to hear.
All right.
1538
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,920
We got one last group to hit
here and one last player to hit
1539
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:15,120
and that is Caleb Brown, the the
most like to me, one of the more
1540
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,360
interesting players because he
is coming to us via Hawaii.
1541
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,160
He is coming to us though via
let me get the right.
1542
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,920
I want to make sure I pronounce
this correct.
1543
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,560
Lithuania Springs, Georgia,
which is right on the Alabama
1544
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,800
line because he's from Pinson,
AL, but he went to Georgia for
1545
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,720
high school.
I didn't know that.
1546
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,040
Yeah, yeah.
Went to Georgia High School and
1547
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,400
I was doing some background on
him.
1548
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,400
Did some stuff at Georgia
Southern.
1549
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,960
Is this something that maybe
Jairi Wilson had a hand in
1550
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,120
getting him and through the
door?
1551
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,560
Because I look elsewhere.
It's like we don't recruit that
1552
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,680
area that much.
But he's obviously, you look at
1553
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,560
his stat lines and stuff.
He's played some solid ball out
1554
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,160
in the Mountain West last few
years.
1555
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,920
To be honest with you, Curtis, I
don't know if Coach Wilson had a
1556
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,080
relationship here initially with
him.
1557
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,200
I think this is just one where
the portal is an open book and
1558
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,160
Coach Jones is being really
selective with who he wants to
1559
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,880
bring in through high school and
the college ranks.
1560
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,920
And we'll talk about a little
bit if we go a little more large
1561
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,800
scale on this cornerback room.
But what what they've brought
1562
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,640
in, I think he feels really
comfortable.
1563
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,400
But going back to SIBO, I
believe is his nickname Caleb
1564
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,560
Brown, someone who is going to
almost be a plug and play guy.
1565
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,320
I, I came out with the article a
couple days ago.
1566
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Whatever top spring portal guys.
I think he was either 3 or 4
1567
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,640
that I listed because this is
someone obviously with the
1568
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,760
unfortunate looks like Josh
Clark's going to miss the
1569
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,600
season.
Someone who I thought was having
1570
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,560
a really great spring and was
going to be able to factor in on
1571
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,360
the outside there.
You kind of have to go out there
1572
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,680
and find you, not saying this
player is similar in stature or
1573
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:58,000
size to Derek Canteen, but sort
of that guy who can plug in and
1574
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,880
seen a lot of college football
and can help those younger guys
1575
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,680
out.
Because you're going to have
1576
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,480
Dante Lovett and some other guys
we'll talk about here in a
1577
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,880
second.
But this is someone who can play
1578
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,920
outside.
Maybe it's a little on the
1579
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,080
lighter side.
I believe listed at 160 at
1580
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,560
Hawaii.
I don't know how accurate that
1581
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,360
is.
We'll find out in the fall, but
1582
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,880
has seen a lot of college
football, like you said, played
1583
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,360
pretty well the last couple
seasons out there at Hawaii.
1584
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,840
So Coach Jones is being
selective.
1585
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,640
So this is someone that fits his
bill.
1586
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,680
He's had a decent track record
in the last couple years with
1587
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,960
obviously bringing in Delane and
what he's developed with Strong,
1588
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,640
so I think this is someone who's
going to factor in and play a
1589
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,200
lot this season.
Yeah, that I mean it's, it's
1590
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,720
exciting seeing guys come into
that room.
1591
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,120
I think that when we were
looking at kind of post spring,
1592
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,160
I think we get circled
cornerback as being one of those
1593
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,280
where we we felt like we needed
to get one more guy in that
1594
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,320
room, especially a plug and play
type player that, that you feel
1595
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,920
comfortable with that, you know,
you, you probably feel, you feel
1596
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,200
really good about your one.
I think you feel OK about the
1597
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,880
guy opposite him.
And then after that, it's like,
1598
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,120
I think we can manage for a
little bit.
1599
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,360
I don't know if if they can hold
up for for, you know, a whole
1600
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,680
game or multiple games, you
know, back-to-back.
1601
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,960
We we probably need at least one
more guy in there that we feel
1602
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,080
really confident about and, and
not looking at nickel, just
1603
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,640
looking at the outside guys.
And, and, and I think we, I
1604
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,120
think we kind of we got that
with SIBO and I think that's
1605
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,880
going to be we'll, we'll see if
that's going to be enough depth
1606
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,720
for for this crew to hold up.
And you know, we can, we can
1607
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,080
kind of talk about that a little
bit.
1608
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,240
How are y'all feeling about the
overall depth in that room?
1609
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,320
And Colby, I'll let you you lead
off on that.
1610
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,360
I was about to say I agree with
you on that, but I'll I'll tell
1611
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,880
you what.
If you want to look outside a
1612
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,560
nickel, you obviously have
Isaiah Brown Murray from ECU
1613
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,040
looks like he's going to slot in
there.
1614
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,600
You got knowledge Harrell who,
if we don't even want to count
1615
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,880
him as a nickel, he can play
outside shoot, he can maybe even
1616
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,840
slide back to safety with the
way he's his body.
1617
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:05,440
Really, that's what I'm I'm.
I don't want to do this, but I'm
1618
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,040
very close to not telling lies.
But I'm just saying like the
1619
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,720
same way last year I was with.
Keelan.
1620
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,200
As we'll say, not Brody, someone
I thought really popped off and
1621
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,800
someone to keep note of is the
same way with these true
1622
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,360
freshman cornerbacks.
And nothing against Christian
1623
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,120
Williams, Thomas Williams.
I think they'll have to play a
1624
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,560
lot this year too, just with the
way injuries, rotations.
1625
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,840
But I'll tell you what, JoJo
KREM, Jamari Deloach and
1626
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,320
Knowledge Harrell are three guys
who already are not afraid of
1627
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,080
anyone, which is what you need
to be a cornerback lining up
1628
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,320
against these guys.
They're not afraid.
1629
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,960
And you even saw it in the
spring game.
1630
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,000
Like these are guys who are
ready to go and get after it.
1631
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,400
So I I think those guys are
ready to play.
1632
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,440
Speaking on death.
Yeah, when you talk about
1633
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:53,080
getting on the field early, I've
said it before, like cornerback
1634
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,160
is probably one of the positions
that stuck.
1635
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,960
It's not easy to do it on any
level, but cornerbacks probably
1636
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,560
one of the easier places to get
on the field early because that
1637
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,240
is mainly skill and and and
instincts.
1638
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,480
You know, most lineman to come
in, for a lineman to come in and
1639
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:14,240
start as a true freshman, kind
of unheard of.
1640
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,800
Like you got to be really,
really fucking good to do that.
1641
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,640
You know what I'm saying?
Every now and then you have a
1642
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,480
quarterback that can come in and
play early like that.
1643
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:25,560
But cornerbacks, receivers, it's
just like I need you to guard
1644
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,480
this guy.
You mirror him and some guys
1645
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:29,760
just got it.
You know what I'm saying?
1646
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,640
Knowledge Harold has it like out
of the all those guys that he
1647
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,680
mentioned is is good.
But I'm telling you knowledge
1648
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,320
Harold, if he stays at Virginia
Tech for three to four years,
1649
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,240
you'll see this guy go to the
league.
1650
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,320
You know, I mean, he's going to
go wherever he goes, barring,
1651
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,920
you know, injury or getting hurt
or or troubled.
1652
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,640
I don't think I'm not speaking
any of that, but I'm just saying
1653
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,760
wherever he decides to leave
from college wise, I think we'll
1654
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,800
hear his name called in the
draft.
1655
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,640
I don't want to go to where
he'll go.
1656
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,160
I just look at his skill set,
look at what he's done.
1657
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:06,560
Look at how he transitioned from
high school to college.
1658
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,240
Another kid that's supposed to
be going to prom, you know what
1659
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,840
I'm saying?
But he's at the spring game
1660
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,880
guarding college wide receivers,
you know what I'm saying?
1661
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,200
And and some other wide
receivers are big and physical
1662
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,520
man, like Aiden Green, not a
small dude.
1663
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,800
You know, he's he's played a lot
of football.
1664
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:33,160
You know, the other, the other,
the other Green brother, you
1665
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,600
know what I'm saying?
Cam Selden, these are guys that
1666
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,800
are play football at a high
level, you know, and you got
1667
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000
these kids that are coming in.
That's like I got them no
1668
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,480
problem.
JoJo Grimm the same like.
1669
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,720
It's right here.
They want to play, man.
1670
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,120
And that's the selling point
that you have at Virginia Tech.
1671
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,080
When you're somebody like, you
know, Coach Prowl or Coach
1672
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,240
Jones, that the one thing I can
offer you is you got the
1673
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,160
opportunity to get on the field
early, You know what I'm saying?
1674
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,400
Like that is what our selling
point is at a school like
1675
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,280
Virginia Tech.
And so I, I love it, man.
1676
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,040
I'm glad to see the kids going
in and competing and hell, I, I
1677
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,520
want to be like, what, who is
this?
1678
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,920
You know what I'm saying?
Who, who is that jumping off the
1679
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:14,720
page?
Who is this?
1680
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,040
So I'm interested to see what
they do.
1681
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,400
Back to what we said, as far as,
you know, bringing in SIBO,
1682
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,600
didn't know much about him, but
all of the things that we've
1683
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,640
talked about, it definitely
makes sense because as we've
1684
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,800
been saying, this whole, you
know, broadcast, like you got to
1685
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,040
be able to have the bodies, you
got to be able to plug some
1686
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,800
people in and see who's going to
compete to get that playing
1687
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,800
time.
So I'm, yeah, I'm definitely
1688
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,080
interested to see to see what we
do in that and on the back end
1689
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,600
like that.
I think something's in the water
1690
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,720
down there, Green Run, because I
mean, they've had some guys come
1691
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,120
in and contribute right away.
And I mean, hopefully we got
1692
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,560
another one in the trenches that
might be coming this way as well
1693
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,560
sometime please, in the near
future.
1694
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,040
But.
Y'all got my hopes up.
1695
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,640
I mean Kobe, you really got my
hopes up.
1696
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,440
And Tally's over here talking
about knowledge because we've
1697
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,080
seen it, right?
Knowledge.
1698
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,200
We've seen it.
We've seen it.
1699
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,440
He's he's going to be good man.
When we think about it, think
1700
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,240
about Brandon Face on years ago
when he came on Kobe, you're a
1701
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,720
younger guy, but you were
probably enough to remember face
1702
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,520
on.
It's like he's a true freshman,
1703
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,000
like, And he bowled.
Yeah.
1704
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,840
Kendall was the same way.
Macho was the same way in
1705
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,280
Tally's 100% right.
That is the position.
1706
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,760
Because in so many things, it's
either this is your area,
1707
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,760
protect your zone, or you got a
man in Miriam.
1708
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,280
Yeah, it's it's basically you
got to have the mentality that
1709
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,440
you want it.
And like knowledge.
1710
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:51,960
Harold's got he's five, 11185.
He's already a college football
1711
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,480
size.
He's ready.
1712
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,640
Those might be not even right.
Like.
1713
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,160
Yeah, so.
He he's he could pretty heavier
1714
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,920
than 185 honestly, really maybe
yeah.
1715
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,280
So he's.
Already bigger, they can even.
1716
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Shift that guy back to safety
eventually.
1717
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,200
Like he could play anywhere back
there, Yeah.
1718
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,640
He's got it, man.
He's I'm telling you, like we
1719
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,400
won't even go into rankings and
stuff like that because we know
1720
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,040
how everybody feels about
rankings and oh, he's only a
1721
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,240
three star.
He's only four-star.
1722
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,200
Whatever he committed early.
I'm telling you, you go put on
1723
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,840
the tape.
You ain't even got to put on
1724
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,280
tape because high school don't
matter.
1725
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,240
Go look at these people playing
now.
1726
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,480
Look at what they're doing now.
It's so many.
1727
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,000
Like you can follow anybody on
social media and find out some
1728
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,400
stuff about them, their
workouts, what they're doing
1729
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,760
when they're competing.
You can go look at somebody like
1730
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,960
Knowledge Harold.
And first of all, I've never
1731
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,800
seen a kid named Knowledge.
He got to be famous like he got.
1732
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,680
He's got to make it with a name
like Knowledge Harold, right?
1733
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,760
I've.
Never heard that name, so just
1734
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,560
looking at him, looking at the
body of work that he's already
1735
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,320
compiled, it's like same as we
thought, look at Chris, then
1736
01:30:58,320 --> 01:30:59,680
hopped on here.
What's up, Chris?
1737
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,800
He's late tonight.
Man, it's been Mother's Day, all
1738
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,680
type of stuff going on.
They don't tell him Chris.
1739
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:11,280
But when you just look at what I
do, like what prize done, and I
1740
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,640
don't want to go off into
another tangent, is that I got
1741
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,520
to get a man props because I'm
so pissed because I hate losing.
1742
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,520
But I got to give him props
about what he's been able to
1743
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,200
bring to Virginia Tech.
As good as some of the things
1744
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:28,800
that we've seen dumb ass dude
Foo, what we've seen Foo do as
1745
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,520
far as on the field, pride has
brought some kids here and some
1746
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,800
talent that we're not used to.
You know what I'm saying?
1747
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,160
Seeing some of the people who's
committed to Virginia Tech, I'm
1748
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,240
like, man, we ain't seen a kid
like that in a long time.
1749
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,080
Or you know, some people who's
committed and it's like, well,
1750
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:49,840
we've seen this dude get this
good after a while, some of
1751
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,200
these kids are coming in like
JoJo Prim is ready to play.
1752
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,840
I'm not saying he's going to
play, but if you go watch him,
1753
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,880
he's ready to play.
He can step on the field and
1754
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,520
play some, play some snaps for
you.
1755
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,200
Right now, they can't do a whole
game, but you can put him on
1756
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,720
somebody and say, I need you to
guard this guy.
1757
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,120
I need you to guard this area
and something good may happen.
1758
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,240
So it's been a lot of times
where we didn't have that.
1759
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:15,760
You know what I'm saying?
Even if you think about Dorie,
1760
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,720
Dorie is an NFL guy or he's the
NFL guy, but when he came in,
1761
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,120
nobody looked at him and was
like, man, this dude's going to
1762
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,480
the NFL.
He just developed into that,
1763
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,240
which is great.
But some of these kids now, it's
1764
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:35,360
just like, man, they got it.
So I'm I'm interested to see how
1765
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,800
much playing time they get.
How how can we use them?
1766
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,640
Because I really think that,
like I said earlier, I really
1767
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,080
think that they're in go mode
and they understand like I
1768
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,080
cannot.
We're not trying to hold shirts.
1769
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,840
We're not trying to win shirts
some guys, but we got to win.
1770
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,520
We got to you can't go into
these games.
1771
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,600
You look at prize regimen, his
his resume since he's been here,
1772
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,040
you cannot go into this year.
And I don't want to look at no
1773
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,520
fucking schedule.
So don't nobody asked me to any
1774
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,520
games are going to win and lose.
I'm just as bad as his as bad as
1775
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,880
his roster was when he first got
here, we can all agree that this
1776
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,560
roster is better, right?
Even though we these guys in the
1777
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,080
NFL, this roster is still better
than when he got here. 100%.
1778
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,520
It was only losing games by
touchdowns and seven points and
1779
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,760
six points and three points.
It's like, I just want to see
1780
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,800
this year where he takes that
step.
1781
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,760
Whether it's in two games or
three games, you got to get a
1782
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,120
signature win, you got the
opportunity to do that and you
1783
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,720
got to win the some of those
close games that we keep losing.
1784
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:48,240
So come on, Pry, help me, man.
I want to love you.
1785
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,440
I want to, you know what I'm
saying?
1786
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,120
Help me love you.
That's what I want.
1787
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,240
All righty, there we go.
Did anybody see Jim post that
1788
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,800
the other day?
I saw him post that.
1789
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,600
Yes I did.
Well, you didn't.
1790
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:03,920
Did you see it?
I did.
1791
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,200
Did you see it, Kobe?
Did you see?
1792
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,840
It crazy.
We'll we'll send that over to
1793
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,440
you in the message so you can
laugh.
1794
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:17,240
But Kobe, thanks for the time on
the portal giving the
1795
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,120
background.
These guys letting us kind of
1796
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,680
shoot the breeze with you about
them about seeing again what we
1797
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,320
feel like it's it's all these
guys are layered depth in
1798
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,000
somewhere going to help this
program.
1799
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,040
I will hit one more piece before
we wrap it up tonight.
1800
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,680
I just want to get Y alls take
on it.
1801
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,960
Ross Dellinger and it's and it's
something that's been flowing
1802
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,640
out here probably for about 18
months now.
1803
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,160
A little bit more.
Basically it is looking like
1804
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,400
more and more we are heading to
16 team playoffs.
1805
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,840
SEC in the Big 10, throwing the
nuts on the table because
1806
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280
basically they can because
they're getting the most money.
1807
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,360
They're getting the best players
currently right now getting 4
1808
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,560
auto bids.
The ACC in the Big 12 getting to
1809
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,680
one G6 now and then three at
larges.
1810
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,440
And I listen to Josh Bate,
probably a lot of y'all do.
1811
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,640
He's one of the better voices in
college football.
1812
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,560
And I love what he said to this
because you want to talk about
1813
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,280
having the relevance of regular
season being even bigger if this
1814
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,720
happens, if they're auto
business, some people are pissed
1815
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,200
about it.
You, you, you can't be too upset
1816
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,760
because they're leveraging their
strength.
1817
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,720
If the ACC had it, guess what?
We guess what Jim Phillips would
1818
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,680
be doing?
He's saying I want fourteens,
1819
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,560
Screw y'all, we deserve 4.
But that's neither here nor
1820
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,320
there.
But that whole thing of a
1821
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,880
regular season champion gets an
automatic bid and then everybody
1822
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,360
else plays in.
First of all, you want to talk
1823
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,480
about the weekend after
Thanksgiving being ungodly like
1824
01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:47,440
having news games, like just to
be in that mix, right?
1825
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,880
How much would us sit here and
say if they go to this, this,
1826
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,320
this 16 game playoff that we
didn't win the regular season,
1827
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,240
we're like we're third, we can
get in.
1828
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,280
You talk about people clamoring
in the last few weeks of the
1829
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,440
season, but what do you all
think of it?
1830
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,400
Too much, too little.
You hate it, you love it.
1831
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,560
Kobe, since you're the esteemed
guest here, what are you
1832
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,120
thinking this?
Well, I think you bring up a
1833
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:11,880
good point there.
I mean, once they started
1834
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,600
expansion, they they were never
going to stop expanding.
1835
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,920
So from 12 to 16 it it was
always going to keep going on
1836
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,840
there.
I mean, personally, I think it's
1837
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,920
a little crazy that we're having
college players play 1617
1838
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,480
eighteen games and now you're
seeing them play into late
1839
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:29,560
February.
You're starting spring practice
1840
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,360
right after he's played the
national championship.
1841
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,240
But I mean you you talk about
those regular seasons.
1842
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:35,160
I don't know if you're going
off.
1843
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,040
I didn't see the most recent
Dellinger thing.
1844
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,240
He does incredible work covering
all the the behind the scenes.
1845
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,960
But I know Pey and some other
people have talked about making
1846
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,120
the regular season really
matter.
1847
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,040
And I think that's what makes
college football stand out
1848
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,720
against, you know, every other
sport is the regular season.
1849
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,080
When you had the final four
teams, it was well, if you lose
1850
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,960
1 game, you're probably out.
So it really heightens that.
1851
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,680
But you talk about with this
expansion within these
1852
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,640
conference standings, if you're
in the Big 10, if you're in the
1853
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,520
ACC, there's no collective
bargaining.
1854
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,800
So yes, for now, of course,
every conference is going to
1855
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:10,680
have to lobby for themselves.
But for the ACC, you have those
1856
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,560
top two teams in the regular
season if you get that automatic
1857
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,200
bid.
And I know he's talking about, I
1858
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,160
don't know, in the ACC if they
only get 2 bids.
1859
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,240
But in the Big 10 and SEC, the
three and the four team, the
1860
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,960
three would play the six and the
four would play the five and
1861
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,760
like a simulated championship
game weekend.
1862
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,800
And then those two teams would
also would get in automatically
1863
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,280
as opposed to the whatever.
But then you talk about the at
1864
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,000
large teams.
What if the at large team was
1865
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,320
the three seed in the SEC and
then they lose that SEC
1866
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,880
championship game?
So I don't know.
1867
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,480
I think it's just going to end
up being a lot more games.
1868
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,800
But I think it's exciting
because you talk about those
1869
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,520
that last weekend at
Thanksgiving, I think they are
1870
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,680
going to simulate some
entertainment because there are
1871
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,680
going to be a lot of races that
come down to the end year in and
1872
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,560
year out in every conference.
So I think it's going to be
1873
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,440
exciting.
Maybe I'm a little bit of a
1874
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:06,560
purist where I, you know, I
thought Ford was great.
1875
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,240
It added a different element.
It's it's just from 16.
1876
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,040
Where do we go in three years
when the next cycles up?
1877
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:18,080
It's just it, you can't play 64,
you can't put 64 two teams in a
1878
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,800
tournament.
So there's got to, there's got
1879
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,920
to be a got to be a March band.
Somewhere.
1880
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:30,080
I thought 12 was honestly a
perfect balance of inclusivity,
1881
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,280
but still letting the regular
season matter.
1882
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,200
I think moving to 16, I'm kind
of torn.
1883
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,120
I, I thought 16 was a little too
much.
1884
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,520
I thought 12 was kind of
perfect.
1885
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:48,600
You're basically saying 10% of
all of FBS.
1886
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,960
You're saying of that you get
about 10%, maybe a little more
1887
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,160
of the, the P4, the P5, you
know, whatever it was.
1888
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,920
So I like the 12.
I would have preferred a
1889
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:12,880
situation where you assign the
rankings not by having those
1890
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,440
automatic conference champions
go up because the thing that
1891
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:22,440
caused the blowouts in this
playoff was the seeding, not the
1892
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:26,440
teams included.
You had you had some lopsided
1893
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,640
seating because of the way the
conference championship shook
1894
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,360
out.
And now all of a sudden you get
1895
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,160
these blowouts that you may not
have had if the seating had been
1896
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,960
what it should have been, It'll
have been a progressive, you
1897
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,240
know, a progressive tournament
like you would expect a normal
1898
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,280
turn determined to go,
especially if you had some re
1899
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,880
wrap re rack after the the
initial round of games.
1900
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,600
But that's neither kernel there.
What I would like to see instead
1901
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:54,160
of these 4 auto bids for the SEC
in the Big 10, I'd like to see
1902
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:58,120
three auto bids with your
champion and your runner up
1903
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,600
getting a bid and then three and
four playing for the third one.
1904
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,560
I'd be good with three for the
for them give 2A piece to the to
1905
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,800
the big Big 12 in the ACC.
And maybe, you know, you you let
1906
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,240
them do the same thing where two
and three play out for that
1907
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,240
extra spot with your regular
season champion getting the
1908
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,320
automatic bid.
I wouldn't hate that and give a
1909
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:26,240
a few more at larges there.
I think that larges are going to
1910
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:33,720
be something where you don't
square, peg, round hole the SEC
1911
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:38,400
in the Big 10 into half of the
playoff every year because
1912
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:43,080
they're not going to always have
as much of A stacked deck every
1913
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:48,200
year. 100%, there's probably
going to be two to three teams
1914
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,160
that absolutely deserve it every
year.
1915
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,200
I don't necessarily think that
there are four teams in both of
1916
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,040
those conferences that are going
to be in the top 16 every year.
1917
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,160
So that's my beef.
Probably not the Big 10.
1918
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,840
I, I think the SEC probably, I
mean, when you look last year,
1919
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,360
Ole Miss Carolina.
But that's the point of the
1920
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:12,640
regular season right there.
That game mattered more people
1921
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,280
said it killed the regular
season.
1922
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,640
That game in the swamp.
Just I got the point of people
1923
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,200
say that game mattered.
That was the most important
1924
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,720
regular season game.
It crushed on this.
1925
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,240
They damn near lost to
Mississippi State because of it.
1926
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:29,400
They shouldn't had any reason to
be almost or competing having
1927
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:30,480
Mississippi State compete with
them.
1928
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,720
That game proved like This is
why it matters, because Ole Miss
1929
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,720
had slipped, they couldn't slip
again, and they should have beat
1930
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,360
Florida.
They were better than Florida.
1931
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,240
But that one day college
football rears its beautiful
1932
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,640
head and just says the day you
lose.
1933
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,400
Ally.
Anything on this?
1934
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,440
Yeah, y'all are putting too much
thought and and effort into it
1935
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:53,320
in depth with it's very great.
I just want to see Virginia Tech
1936
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,080
get.
We do too.
1937
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,960
This is what I'm saying though.
We ain't going to get there in
1938
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:02,560
the top 4812.
Maybe 16, 30?
1939
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:07,640
Teams in there, we might be 30,
we might be the top 30 if we can
1940
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,400
get there in 30.
Fucking put us in at 30, baby.
1941
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:11,280
There we go.
I'm ready.
1942
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,880
To go all right.
And with that.
1943
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:17,520
Let's wrap up this episode of
the Boundary Corner Podcast
1944
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,160
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1945
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,360
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1946
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,800
Where can they find Jack Colby?
Yeah, I mean, just head over to
1947
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,120
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1948
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,880
But yeah man, I really
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1949
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,240
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I know I ran y'all a little bit
1950
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,280
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1951
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,120
Oh no, you didn't.
Run us late, Colby.
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three O 1 S Main St. in
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Blacksburg.
Fellas, how's everybody doing
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tonight?
Fight a little bit of a cold,
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but feeling all right man,
Feeling all right.
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How about you?
Brian, you ain't got no cold.
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You got too drunk when you went
to that concert.
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That's what happened.
You got AI, got a week.
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Long hangover.
There you go.
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Hangover I'd have been.
Are you old now, man?
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You can't be drinking like you
did back when you was in
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college.
You got to take it easy.
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You ain't got a lot of us.
Myself, got to pace myself, boy,
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no pacing.
All good man, y'all good.
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All good baseball.
It's kinda in the swing of
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things right now.
You know, summer baseball that
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is, is is kind of kicking up
working with the kid to try to
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get him on track to do the right
things.
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So we will talk about that
another day, but everything is
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good.
You look good, man.
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You look good.
You look fresh right now.
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Man, hey, I'm just trying to
trying to see the next day man,
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trying to be friends with coach
Pry and not be too mad at him.
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So you know, maybe somebody
going to shed some light on what
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how I need to feel with all
this.
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Hey, we got a lot to talk about
man.
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We had some stuff rolled out
timing of game.
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I got people calling asking me
am I going, y'all know what I
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want to say Curtis?
Hell no, I ain't spending no
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money on them.
But you know what?
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It's like 3.
Months like 3 hours.
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It's also like it's also two
hours from your house.
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Yeah, it's.
Literally 2 hours from your
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house.
It's a 3 o'clock game that was
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announced.
That means if they make you
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really mad, you can get in your
car, be back in your own bed by
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10:00 and go they're.
Going to make me mad.
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That's good.
They always make you mad.
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They don't make me mad.
Even if we win, they're going to
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make me mad.
But I got a lot to think about,
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man.
I'm going to Vegas at that
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month, so I'm going to Vegas at.
So it's a lot to think about,
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man, but we'll get into all
that.
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We're going to get into all
that.
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We're going to get into a lot of
different stuff tonight.
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So without further ado, we are
going to bring the special
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guests on tonight from 247
Sports as Tally has dubbed him
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as we were talking before the
show, he is currently as he's
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shaking his head, I could see
him, the mayor of Blacksburg and
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247 Sports on and everybody's
favorite portal got to watch
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because he knows it all.
Colby Crawford.
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Colby, how are you this
wonderful Wednesday?
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I'm doing great man.
I appreciate y'all having me on.
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This is going to be a good time.
I really appreciate y'all having
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me.
Hopefully we all drop off the
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cold down here in a nondiscreet
location in the Outer Banks.
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So ready to toss some football?
Somewhere in the Outer Banks is
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Colby Crawford, right?
Now we're in the Outer Banks.
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We we hope that that that spots
got Internet a little bit better
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than Tally had a few months
back.
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I was about to say, if that
Internet ain't worse than this
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Alabama Internet, did you going
to be straight?
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This Internet was struggling for
a while.
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We had to change it up over
here.
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And he finally got it.
He did change it up.
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And now, oh, hold on, we, we are
starting Tally, our music man
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Jason Kobe, COVID, the guy that
plays us in plays us out.
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He lives in Royal.
He's a huge Titans fan and so is
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Tally.
So they always got something to
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talk.
About yeah, definitely, man.
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I was going to say Jason going
to have to call me and we're
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going to have to get together on
this stuff, man.
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But for the most part, man, I
mean, you had to do it as a
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Titans fan.
I'm I'm a Cowboy fan, though.
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Like I just like what he is and
what he brings.
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Not a Miami fan.
I hated that he went and played
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at Miami.
But for a kid to do what he did,
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go to all the different stops
and continue to work, continue
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to be, you know, humble for the
most part, Like he just
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continued to work until he was
the number one pick in the
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draft.
And for what we are with what we
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need, you can't pass him up.
You know what I'm saying?
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It's like at one point I was
like, man, you got to take
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Travis Hunter.
I mean, that's a generation of
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talent.
But at the same time, it's kind
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of like, look at New King.
I knew.
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I knew he was going to pop up.
If you say Miami New King is
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popping up, I knew he was going
to pop up.
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Thank you all.
Thank you all for sending Cam
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Ward our way.
But especially after what Jade
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Daniels done last year, like if
you pass up on a quarterback
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that's got that kind of ceiling,
how dumb are you going to feel
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As you already know that, you
know, the quarterbacks that we
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have aren't aren't the guy now,
possibly because of the line we
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had wasn't the guys either.
But I mean, you pass up on
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somebody like a Cam Ward with
the number one pick and then he
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goes somewhere else and he chose
out like you're slapping
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yourself in the head for a
decade.
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And that, that's a dude to bet
on himself for three straight
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years.
And.
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Made it happen, right?
That that was someone because
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we're going to talk about it all
tonight with with Kobe with the
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portal.
That is someone who it's like
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the portal of the white right
way right.
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He was an Incarnate word.
Lower school went to Washington
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state.
Not not not your highest level
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school, a solid mid level P5
school, P4 school, whatever you
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want to call it, excelled five
at the time he.
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Five at the time that's.
True.
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All right, Peter.
PAC 12.
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Yeah, and then and then went to
Miami, did what he did down
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there, played great because he
wants the reason they lost
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games.
He wants the reason at all
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because he played his nuts off
every single game.
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It it.
But to me, everybody who shits
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on the portal, it's like,
there's so many good stories
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like that, that literally if Cam
Ward doesn't have the portal, do
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we ever know Cam Ward's name?
Do we?
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Does he ever become the number
one pick?
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Probably not.
Man, you think about, Yeah,
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somebody brought, I think it
might have been you when I was
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going on a rant, Curtis, that we
talked about.
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Oh yeah.
For all the bad stuff that
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people have to say about the
Porter you've been bringing to
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Virginia Tech, and you look at
somebody like APR, APR is a
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Virginia Tech legend now, right?
Yes, he is.
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You know, everybody's going.
He can come back to Blacksburg
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whenever he wants to, and
they're always going to remember
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what he did in a hokey's
uniform.
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Same with two.
You know, you would have never
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seen these guys if it wasn't for
the portal, you know what I'm
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saying?
You'd never seen them in
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Virginia Tech if it wasn't for
the portal.
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So as bad as people make it out,
as bad as it is sometimes, and
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it's true, much craziness kind
of goes on in it, man.
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It's a lot of good stories to
come out of it.
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So I'm here for it, man.
I just love football.
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And it's, and the guys we're
going to talk about tonight in a
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few minutes here.
It's the same way they are.
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A lot of them are elevating to a
stage where either a like APR,
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he was down at Florida or it's
an unbelievable program.
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They never found the right spot
for him.
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Came back to tech perfect fit
everything, everything fit.
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He he is an unbelievable SAT guy
in college, shows his motor,
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shows his skill.
Same with Tooting guys who get
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goes to A&T, accelerates there,
comes to tech, does back-to-back
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seasons and and now we're going
to talk about 10 guys in a few
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minutes here, their stores,
their backgrounds and how we're
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feeling about those rooms.
But Brian and Colby, before we
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get into all that, y'all both
attended the Metallica concert,
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correct?
Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah.
Colby, I'm I'm I'm gonna let you
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go first.
Bronson, see the esteemed guest
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tonight and just just give me
your feels of a a where'd you
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sit and just in general, the
feelings while watching that
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concert, because y'all the
videos, the production, I mean
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tally, you've seen it.
I mean unbelievable, like you
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didn't look like the same place
and it it looked it looked
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unreal.
Go ahead, Toby.
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Yeah, so honestly, start the day
before.
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I was lucky enough to go through
with some of the media and walk
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through on the floor level of
the whole stage apparatus, the
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entire setup of the concert.
And that was amazing.
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They were going through sound
tests and they actually played
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like the helicopter sound that's
the lead into one the song.
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And I mean, I've been to quite a
few concerts in my life and
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fortunate enough to go and and
some pretty large sound systems.
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When that speaker played the
helicopter sound and like this
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aircraft sound, it sounded as if
there was a fly over.
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Like I almost looked up and was
like, is there a fly over
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actually happening right now
that the ground shook beneath
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you?
And kind of from that moment I
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knew, OK, it's really on for
tomorrow and then we get to show
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day.
Had a couple buddies come in
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town and you know, I forgot the
opportunity to sit with the
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media.
And of course I went to go sit
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in the student section to enjoy
that moment.
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And I was in the North End zone.
It's been a while since I've
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been in the North End zone.
So that that was, I mean, I
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think it has to rank as the best
live show I've ever seen.
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Just atmosphere.
And honestly, coming from
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someone, I'm not the biggest
Metallica fan going in, I knew 5
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or 6 songs, but I mean just the
the setting, the entire crowd.
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What I mean, I mean there's some
football games where you look up
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and I guess the East ends where
it's allowed it to the other
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visiting team and it's not all
the way sold out.
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When I look around, it was like
your mouth is on the floor like
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this place is packed out.
The student section was over
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packed out.
It it was it was incredible and
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it happened to be.
I know for everyone it was
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great, but for the students it
was the last day of classes.
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So they were already just
psyched out of their mind.
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So it, it was the best thing
ever.
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Like I I'm struggling to find
words that could encapsulate the
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way I feel.
Like I'm just getting goosebumps
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thinking about it but it it was
so amazing.
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Yeah.
I mean, I got to echo, you know,
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what what Colby said there.
I mean, I've, I've seen a lot of
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shows in my day and that that's
in the conversation for the best
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live show that I've attended.
And it really goes back to just
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atmosphere.
It goes back to I think what
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Metallica has meant to this fan
base in general.
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I think it's the energy that
they brought.
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Like they seem like they were on
a different level knowing what
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them being there meant for that
for for Blacksburg, for the fans
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and things like that.
So I mean, it was it was
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incredible.
You talked about the, the one
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when the, when the helicopters
came in and the pyro started
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shooting up and, you know,
simulating the, the, the fire
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from the, from the choppers in
the, in the plains.
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Man, it was, it was really,
really impressive.
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And like that whole run there 1
all the way through Sandman was
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just like banger after banger.
And you know, when they got to
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master of puppets and like they,
they were saying master in the
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chorus, there was just like
echoing, like you can feel a
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pulse from that.
It was, it was kind of crazy.
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I, I really, you know, it's
hard.
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It's hard to put into words.
We got, we got a couple guys
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here that I actually saw
tailgating pregame.
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Shout out Jim West.
You met Jim.
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I I met Jim.
Shout out Jim.
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He was at Dan and Stevens
tailgate over there with Mary
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and Drew and Chris and all them.
So nice.
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Nate.
Shout out all those guys all.
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Right.
So the the, the set list,
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obviously everybody said they
played, they did master Puppets.
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First of all, you know, looking
at I think the encore was what
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one I heard one was the original
was the beginning of the encore,
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right?
I believe that was the first
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one, whatever Brian just said.
It was one yeah, 1 seeking
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destroy, Master of Puppets and
Sandman.
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We're the we're the final four
there.
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OK, I think whatever after one
because me and my friend, I mean
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a little anecdote like that one
of the buddies I'm down here
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with throwing it way back to
whenever the civilians versus
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cadets snowball fight was every
year we've been there and that
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fight has happened.
We play one right before we all
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go out.
So I mean, we love like that
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song, like you understand me,
Don't get me wrong, has its
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place in Blackburg, but for us
specifically, one is also up
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there.
So when they came out with that
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and they just played, I mean,
honestly, banger after banger
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after banger and then you end
out blowing the lid off the
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place with the Enter Sandman.
I I don't know the exact order,
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but after one I knew I knew
every song after that and I'm
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not a massive fan.
So that was an incredible.
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Stretch and you covered.
You covered what you covered,
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basically.
Like all the big albums.
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Yeah.
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Through Black in that last four.
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So you you had you had one, you
had seek and destroy, you had
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master puppets and then you had
Enter Sandman and that like
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that.
'D be much better now.
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So it's got to be ass, but
obviously they intro, they did
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the normal entrance, that's how
they got on stage, which that
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was pretty cool.
I saw some of the videos of
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that, the normal playing and
they're coming on in fireworks.
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But at the end he Master
Republics goes off.
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Apparently they were teasing
which you're like you're going
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to end with it.
You're going to end there ain't
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no question you're going to end
with it.
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But when Hetfield started the
chant, like what was y'all's
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feels on it?
Because it was just like how can
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they do this?
Because this is a Sandman.
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It knows Sandman itself is a 5
minute song N concerts.
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It's anywhere from 5 1/2 to 8
1/2.
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But when they hit it, when those
notes hit, just was it just
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chills or was it just we all
just so in the moment, it was
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just like, it's literally like a
game.
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You're so hyped because you went
through 1520 songs.
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You've been there all day.
This pyros have been
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unbelievable.
Just give me that one last piece
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and we'll closeout the Metallica
piece tonight.
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I mean, I think it was still
chills the whole way through
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because I mean, me, just even my
experience in just a couple
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short years, you know how much
that song, that entrance, the
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reverence just around that
entire place.
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And then you almost thought like
the culmination of the entire
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night, like it's just really
about to happen.
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Like you knew it was happening.
But it's something really a
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pinch yourself moment where
you're sitting there and it goes
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off and he he leads the let's go
Hokies chat and you look and
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there's so many people who had
who were just Metallica fans,
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not honestly, maybe no relation
at all to Virginia Tech.
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And they looked at the person
next to them.
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What do they?
Oh, they said Hokies.
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All right, so now I'm gonna say
on the next time he goes back.
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That was what I thought was so
incredible was I was sitting
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next to her down the way from
someone.
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And when he started to let's go
Hokies chant, they didn't know
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what they were saying.
And then they jumped right in
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with everyone else.
So it was sort of that
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collective, I guess just
experience to soak in that
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moment because Brian touched on
it like, I don't, I'm not saying
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they don't go out there and play
it up every night, every show,
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every tour date, but I think
they really understood what it
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meant to that location
specifically.
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And yeah, I mean, just
incredible.
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Yeah, surreal.
It it was surreal when that
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moment hit because I mean, guys
by age since 2000 and shout out
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Jim for for being there for the
first Sandman since 2000.
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There's always been like those
rumors that are floating around
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like, oh, but but Metallica is
going to play here this week or
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you know, they're they're going
to be there for the let's go
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Hokies Shaylee there.
There's going to be something
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Metallica related.
There's always these rumors and
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then finally this comes and to
have it happen in lane and to
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experience that.
It was absolutely surreal that I
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mean, that's really the the best
way I can describe it is it's
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surreal.
And you know, Kobe, you talked
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about, you know, kind of the mix
of of crowd that I mean, it was,
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you know, a lot of there was a
lot of Metallica Hokie fans.
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There were some hokey fans that
were there for the the
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experience.
And then there were a lot of
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just fans of Metallica fans of,
you know, metal and thrash metal
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in general.
And they were just they join
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right in with everybody else.
Man, It was it was such a good
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mix.
I think of of all those
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different types of fans in that
one area.
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That's so awesome.
Well, glad y'all boys got to
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experience that.
The videos coming out over the
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last seven days of an
unbelievable, you know, from the
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concert itself.
Even I think one of the cooler
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things again, sometimes some
things that goes on at the
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school we just like shake our
heads at.
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But that video that I'm assuming
the football media guys did
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outside the stadium where you
can hear it like and you can
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just see and it's just like that
that was cool.
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That was because some people
like to me that's like visionary
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type stuff.
Like that's fairly cool to think
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about how you hear it and then
you hear the notes and
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everything roll.
So awesome.
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All right, let's get we've
talked 20 minutes about Cam Ward
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in portal.
We've talked 10 minutes about
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Metallica concert.
Let's let's get into the portal
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itself.
Colby's bread and butter here,
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and Colby.
I said the only thing I'm here
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for right now.
I'm kidding.
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No, you're here for everything,
man.
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We've got you on for everything.
In your opinions, I'm sure
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you've got some great ones, but
let's kick this off first.
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Let's talk about the guys who
left, the players that left.
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Anybody shock you of that group
or?
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You're talking specifically in
the spring.
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In the spring and not talking in
the winter has gone by.
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That That's a lot of time.
Specifically in the spring.
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When you talk spring
realistically, honestly, no one
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was a massive shock.
The one that maybe caught me a
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little off guard, Bob Schick,
But I mean, you totally
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understand that as well.
He's got a family, a kid, he's a
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long way from his home out in
Utah, gets a little bit closer
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for going to Oklahoma State,
probably worked out a deal,
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maybe work his way into some
more guaranteed playing time.
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So like you think about it,
there was definitely a route and
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it's not a big shock.
But out of everyone who left, if
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I had to name 1 and nail down,
I'd probably be Bob shit because
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I mean, he was still, I mean,
you know how you get into the
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season injuries role and that
room is what it is.
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So that I'd say probably that
one out of all of them.
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But I like what you said there
at the end, though, it's that
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idea that he wanted more
guaranteed playing time.
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There's something we mentioned,
you know, he was in the portal
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last time we got together.
It was this whole you're not
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getting a lot of you're not
getting the amount of snaps you
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got last year because they're
guys who are better on this
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team.
And I think you just made that
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point pretty good because it was
a lot of guys that went.
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And again, we we we we always
talk about pride.
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But The thing is we were six win
team last year.
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Some guys had to go.
Some guys were going to go
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because money was going to call
them.
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Some guys were going to go
because they had to go, right.
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So is what it is.
I boys, just real quick.
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I think we hit it, but I want to
confirm any shock to y'all
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anybody?
I think everybody is pretty much
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the the portal is closed now and
so many guys are actually you
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know at home, like Jordan
McDonald's going to play for
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William and Mary Jayden went to
UCF.
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You mentioned Bob shit heading
out to Oklahoma State, Colby
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Braylon Johnson down the Wake
Forest, Ken Fleming down the app
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state and so on.
But any, any, any shot like
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nobody landed it like a terrible
spot.
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Like I think everybody got homes
right.
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Well, that.
And like, I think the thing
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that, you know, we're starting
to see in, in terms of talent
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leveling up and things like
that, you know, a lot of those
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guys are guys that for one
reason or another, either
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weren't high enough in the depth
chart for what they were
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comfortable with from a playing
time standpoint, or we had
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pushed them so far down that it
it may it was in their best
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interest to look somewhere else
if they wanted the playing time.
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And then they're landing at
Oklahoma States and UCFS instead
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of like, you know, some of some
of those other schools are
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taking a step down to FCS there.
There wasn't as much of that.
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So even the guys that aren't
necessarily able to make it with
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us are landing at pretty good
spots now, which is showing that
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the talent level is getting
raised across the board.
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I think the thing that we're
looking at is that when you make
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wholesale shifts, both
defensively and offensively, you
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know, there's going to be some
guys that don't find their
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footing under the new, the new
the new scheme.
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It's just not going to be a good
fit for them.
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It may be something where
they're just not going to see as
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much time and it could be a
situation like the offensive
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line where you brought in more
guys that are better, whether
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it's talent wise or fit wise,
that you're just not going to
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get as many opportunities as you
had before, even for guys like
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Bob Schick that were starters.
100% Well, let's talk about some
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of those guys and, and Kobe, I
want to start.
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I won't start on the offense and
then flip over to defense and
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let's start with the offensive
line because we take a look at
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the two guys and Jaden Muskrat,
who comes up from Auburn, Gavin
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Crawford, who comes up from West
Virginia.
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That's clearly Monty's and
Moore's guys, right?
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It's a guy Monty recruited at
Tulsa, played for him at Auburn.
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Same in the thing with Gavin
Crawford down at West Virginia.
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I mean, from, from what you've
heard, how easy for those
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recruitments, I mean, was it
just a phone call and said
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here's a spot?
Yeah, I mean so much of the
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portal comes down to obviously
prior relationships and but
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there is no short thing,
especially these days you can
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have handshake or certain ideas
of players before they go
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somewhere.
But I mean this, there were some
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stories and things that happened
where coming down to the the
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final seconds where you thought
it was a done deal and and
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something happens.
But for both of these
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situations, oh, actually, I'll
start with Gavin Crawford.
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I think that one is probably a
lot more straight down the line.
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Visited early, committed early,
obviously spent a semester at
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West Virginia, jumped in,
followed Coach Moore.
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That one, I think recruitment
wise, pretty straight down the
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line, someone who I think
honestly has a lot of
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developmental upside.
I really like inside maybe now,
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but has has the versatility to
probably move outside.
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I'd like to see his updated
weight if he's actually at 3:30.
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But I mean, just based on high
school film, I think that's a
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good take.
Obviously, you got to build out
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that room a little bit.
When you take, what, 5 high
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school guys over 2 cycles, there
was a lot of work to be done.
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I think Matt Moore's done a good
job flipping it.
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And I think this 25, I mean,
excuse me, 26 class ahead will
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probably reflect that a little
bit.
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That's pretty much all in
Crawford recruitment wise for
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Muskrat, much of the same.
Obviously Monty Tulsa having
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both.
You know, a lot of, you know,
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Canon Montgomery's also on staff
of Phillip Montgomery,
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Montgomery's son.
I forget his official title, I
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think Co running backs or, or
something like that.
453
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600
But he also had a relationship
when you have both those guys on
454
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,440
staff and he followed him from
Tulsa to Auburn and now we're
455
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,400
here to Virginia Tech.
This whole portal window.
456
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,480
We we were recovering on Vt
scoop.com.
457
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,160
They were going to go out there
and find them a veteran
458
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,000
offensive lineman.
This is one with the prior
459
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,640
relationship to your offensive
coordinator.
460
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,360
Familiar knows, the scheme knows
just familiar with them.
461
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,440
When you when you talk about
coming in over the summer and
462
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,080
fall, it's just so much being
familiar.
463
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,000
It is just so crucial.
So that's really big.
464
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,840
So they knew they were going to
go out and get a veteran guy to
465
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,680
pair Gavin Crawford's great four
years of eligibility.
466
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,400
You need depth there.
But they were also really sorely
467
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040
looking for someone who could
make an impact almost
468
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,640
immediately on the field.
So to have that relationship
469
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,320
prior, that recruitment, I would
say is pretty straightforward as
470
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,160
well.
There were some personal things
471
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,800
that they had to work through,
which was sort of the delay, but
472
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,840
really, honestly a great job.
That's probably not talking
473
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880
about enough by the staff on
that one because those snags can
474
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
sort of meander and develop and
not get him in the boat.
475
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,760
But to get him landed, it was
really big.
476
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,720
But like I said, those
relationships prior were big
477
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
reason why, but still really
important and big to get him in
478
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,920
the boat.
Yeah, 100% And any any talk of I
479
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480
know you mentioned about Gavin
Crawford could like starting at
480
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,480
the inside, but you want to know
that way because I'm my
481
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
assumption is you think if he's
a little bit bigger he might
482
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,480
kick out.
But are are are are we Pagan
483
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,880
Muskrat it?
He's going to start at tackle,
484
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
one side or the other.
See, that's a really great
485
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920
question.
I like there's so much that has
486
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,480
to be seen.
I think he will play tackle.
487
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,560
I'm not sure if he's a plug in
play guy because honestly, and
488
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120
that's not a knock on him.
I think Johnny Yarrett had a
489
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,720
really great spring and they
were working Tomas Remac out at
490
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,760
at right tackle as well.
And I think for Remac to show
491
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,720
NFL scouts that they have the
versatility to be play inside at
492
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720
guard, be a Big 12 Volt
honorable mention.
493
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,160
And then if you kick out this
year and you have a all ACC
494
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,360
caliber year or your solid
bookend right there.
495
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,640
I mean, he has a size.
It looked like he had a good
496
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
camp, but at the same time, you
know what he can do on the
497
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,440
inside.
So let's say Muskrat comes in,
498
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,760
he's a world beater in the fall
and you, you like what Garrett's
499
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440
shown.
So you have Garrett on one side,
500
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,920
Muskrat and then you have
re/max.
501
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,640
So it's just kind of where those
five fit.
502
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200
But I, I don't think they'll
pull Muskrat inside.
503
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,480
But either way, you have highly
increased the floor of your
504
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520
offensive line room bringing him
he he's seen a lot of college
505
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,400
football there.
There's some things you just
506
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,480
especially in the offensive line
room, I feel like I'm going to
507
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,960
use like a college basketball
reference, but I I feel like
508
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,600
there's always that big man in
the NCAA tournament.
509
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,000
You cut on.
It's like who is this guy
510
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,840
playing for this team?
But it's his fourth or fifth
511
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,960
year in college and he's just so
much more advanced just
512
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,640
physically that that's kind of
what it is with offensive
513
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:33,960
lineman.
Now.
514
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,360
Every now and again you have the
like I remember Francis Maui Goa
515
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,600
at Miami, who has a true
freshman look like a six year
516
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,280
offensive lineman.
But realistically most of the
517
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,520
time to get developed in being
2223 and spent all that time in
518
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600
a college weight room.
I think it'll be really valuable
519
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,360
for his experience and also
being I guess familiar with
520
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Monty's scheme before.
So he's gone through this a lot
521
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,320
more than even the guys who have
been there for spring only
522
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,880
because they I think Monty said
after the spring game, they only
523
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,000
got maybe 2/3 of the way through
install.
524
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
So I think it'll be really
valuable overall to the room.
525
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Yeah, I think it's going to be
big.
526
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
And he talked about the install
pieces and you get a guy that is
527
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,600
familiar with the scheme coming
in with a coach that while, you
528
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,720
know, Monty and more haven't
necessarily had a lot of overlap
529
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,120
in their careers scheme wise.
It's a it's a very good fit
530
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
between the two, what they want
to do, how they want to do it.
531
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360
And, and you mentioned like, you
know, guys in the tournament, as
532
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320
soon as you said that, I like
immediately went to like Cameron
533
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Krutwig from Loyola Chicago,
like just this like big dude
534
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760
buddy, like not necessarily that
that physically intimidating,
535
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
but he's a man out there.
But he also he has an
536
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,960
understanding of the the mental
game as well as the physical and
537
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,600
and can take advantage of that
even despite some other, you
538
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,000
know, athletic shortcomings of
his game there.
539
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,680
And you know, you got a guy like
Muskrat thing kind of has that
540
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520
experience, has seen it from
different levels.
541
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160
You know, looking at Tulsa,
looking at Auburn coming in,
542
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,480
that's I think that's going to
be big.
543
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,400
You know, you're not going to
he's not going to be overwhelmed
544
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680
by the talent that he's seen in
the ACC.
545
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160
And I'm very interested to see
whether he's going to end up at
546
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
at right tackle, left tackle,
you know, whatever it may be,
547
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880
you know, or if he's going to be
more of an interior player at
548
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,400
some point.
But I feel like he's really
549
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,640
going to be, he's going to be a
tackle, whether he ends up
550
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,880
knocking, you know, Remac or or
or Johnny Garrett out of a
551
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240
starting spot.
I feel like, you know, one of
552
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760
they're they're all still going
to start.
553
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,920
It's just.
Yeah, they're.
554
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,920
All what's the configuration
going to be is.
555
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,320
It going to be.
Is it going to be Muskrat at
556
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,160
left, Johnny at right, Remac
inside a flip of the tackles
557
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,000
there or is, you know, is are
you just going to, you know, you
558
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,920
know, keep keep Remac out there
and then just move, you know,
559
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,720
move one of those guys inside?
So I'm I'm really interested to
560
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,720
see how how that that shuffles
going to work and how Crawford
561
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920
maybe enters the conversation,
because I think he's still, you
562
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,880
know, a younger guy.
I think he's still got some
563
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
room, room to grow.
Is he going to be a guy that can
564
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240
really have an impact this year?
Is he more of a long term
565
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880
solution for the inside of that
offensive line?
566
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,720
I, I think long term, I'll make
a note.
567
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,560
You want to talk about a younger
guy who's been up through the
568
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,120
program who I don't know if will
make an impact this year, but
569
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440
just somewhat to maybe bookmark
Aiden Lynch.
570
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,240
That's a guy who I, I think
could make some waves here like
571
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,920
at the end of last year.
So I guess the year he
572
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,840
redshirted and into the spring,
someone who's slowly making some
573
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,640
moves.
Now, like I said, you got a lot
574
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840
of older guys ahead of him, but
you want to talk about a younger
575
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800
guy with a lot of years left of
eligibility.
576
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,840
That's someone to maybe keep an
eye on that.
577
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Is what you got?
Yeah.
578
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000
No, just what you everything
that you're talking about is
579
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,360
like what you want to be talking
about.
580
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
You know what I'm saying?
Like you can be mad like me at
581
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,480
everything, but when you really
look at football and you really
582
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
kind of see how to build a
program and how to build a team,
583
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,600
the things that y'all are
talking about is what you want
584
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,120
to be talking about.
Like who's going to start here?
585
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,560
Not for the fact of we don't
have anybody, you know what I'm
586
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,280
saying?
You got pieces that Xavier
587
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,720
Chaplin leaves.
Understandable.
588
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,720
That is a blow, right?
You know what I'm saying?
589
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,680
But you had one really good guy
and then you had some mediocre
590
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,360
guys and some really bad guys.
So it was a discrepancy in the
591
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,160
top to the bottom.
Now I feel like you've got guys
592
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,640
kind of all across the board
that can fit in and you have a,
593
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,280
like Kobe said, raised floor in
that room.
594
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,920
So if I do have to switch you
out for a series of play, this
595
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,280
guy goes down, you don't have
this massive drop off when X was
596
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,400
getting hurt and then we have to
put somebody else in.
597
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
If you got all these other guys
that you can plug and play, or
598
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,880
if that because I don't know
everything about football, but I
599
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,360
can look at a offensive lineman
in a game and tell if he can
600
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320
play like I can look at a couple
of plays and be like he he can
601
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
do something for you.
Cunningham can do something for
602
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,560
us.
The fact that he didn't see the
603
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,560
the field last year on a bad
offensive line was a tragedy.
604
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,680
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know if he was hurt or
605
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,280
something maybe, but I'm just
saying I've seen him enough to
606
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,560
know like that kid can do
something for us.
607
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,440
Hey, this dude ain't doing
right.
608
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Go in there and get him and let
me let talk to him for a minute.
609
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,320
I'm just glad to see that the
offensive line coach in the
610
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,240
offensive line room has a pulse.
So I know some people was like,
611
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,120
oh, this dude only played
special teams.
612
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040
So fucking what?
I don't care what he played.
613
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Get me all the offensive lineman
and then let's figure out if
614
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400
they can play or not.
Because when you got three
615
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,320
offensive lineman that you know
can play or you got 10 that you
616
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
think can play, I take the 10 I
think can play because one of
617
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
those 3 is going to get hurt.
So I'm just glad to see the new
618
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,679
coach has a pulse and he's he's
done a good job of flipping the
619
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,159
room and he's done a good job of
bringing some people in.
620
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,320
And then like when you talk
about, I think Kobe was talking
621
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,400
about just like being
comfortable with the coach.
622
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,679
Most people in the chat, most
people here have played some
623
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,600
type of sport.
And you know, like egos and
624
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,000
attitudes play a big part in
what you do when you're playing
625
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,280
sports.
It could be something as simple
626
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,880
as a coach dip snuff, right,
does tobacco and he yells in
627
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,800
your face.
But when you talk to your Mama,
628
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,800
you say, well, this dude keeps
spitting in my face.
629
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,760
Don't know Mama want to hear
that He's spitting in your face.
630
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Oh, we got to find a new school.
Well, if you have somebody that
631
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,400
knows that coach and knows his
mannerism, he's probably going
632
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,239
to say it.
Well, coach such and such, just
633
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,360
he's not spitting in your face.
He's just yelling.
634
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
That's what he does.
Like, calm down before you call
635
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,800
your mom and dad and tell that.
So having somebody who's
636
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,120
comfortable with a coach that
that coach probably don't
637
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
gravitate to when he really
wants to get on Kobe, but he
638
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,160
knows Brian, he'll get on Brian
so Kobe can see it, you know
639
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,360
what I'm saying?
So having those guys that come
640
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,160
in and those coaches can lean on
to be like Brian, get your shit
641
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,640
together.
But Brian's doing everything
642
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,760
right.
But he's doing that so the
643
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,280
younger guy can see him, you
know what I'm saying?
644
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920
I think that's going to help in
the long run.
645
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400
I'm just interested to see kind
of where we go, you know, where,
646
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,080
where, where the where the team
goes.
647
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
But as we know, the team goes
with the trenches.
648
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520
So I'm definitely, you know,
keeping my eye on that this
649
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
summer and into the fall.
Yeah.
650
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,160
And you know, Kobe made the
point like we had a couple
651
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,320
cycles that we probably didn't
take as many lineman as we
652
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,520
should have both in the portal
and high school recruiting.
653
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,960
And so a lot of what Moore has
had to do is kind of backfill
654
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,040
that position a little bit, both
from a front end talent
655
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160
perspective and from a depth
perspective.
656
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960
And I think he's done a pretty
good job of that so far.
657
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,880
And yeah, I think it was it was
definitely needed.
658
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,080
I know some of that was probably
related to the issues that we
659
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
had with having a different
offensive line coach pretty much
660
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,240
every damn year of the prior
regime.
661
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,920
So that that didn't help, but
you know, you can't let those
662
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,640
things go by the wayside because
you can get all the wide
663
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,320
receiver talent that you want.
You can get all these, you know,
664
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,880
really good players in the
secondary.
665
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080
You can get all those guys.
But if you're not dominating the
666
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,960
trenches, none of that matters.
It doesn't matter whatsoever.
667
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,160
And and to y'all's point, I love
what y'all said, Brian and Tally
668
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,760
about having those guys that
know you and know what you can
669
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,320
do to them.
And Moore had his already with
670
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,720
Rimac, Al Tuner and the Lucas
kid.
671
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,720
He got a fourth one.
Now Monty got his right because
672
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,080
I love that Tally because now if
Monty wants to go to the
673
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,280
offensive line and get on
somebody, I don't know, Muskrat
674
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,080
for the last six years, I
coached him at Auburn, I coached
675
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,320
him at Tulsa.
You got that piece and I think
676
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,280
we've all are.
I think we're all in agreement
677
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,720
here and y'all said it in some
way, shape or fashion.
678
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,680
I think right now, compared to
last year, this room is better
679
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,160
even without the guy, the elite
guy, right Tally, and that's me.
680
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,040
That's what Xavier Chaplin was.
It's almost like we traded away.
681
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
You see it in all sorts of MLB
deals.
682
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,120
We traded away the elite guy,
but everything we got back, we
683
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,920
got so much more in return,
right?
684
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,040
It's like you got Rymac, who's
all Big 12, you got Muskrat, who
685
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120
knows the system.
Altoona was a high end center
686
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,720
coming out.
It's like you don't want shit on
687
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,920
Xavier, but it's like if you had
to leave for us to get
688
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,600
effectively a full step better
at every other spot on this
689
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,360
line.
Right I.
690
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,520
Think we can live with it.
So, you know, all right, there's
691
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,960
the offensive line group.
I I can't wait till this summer
692
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,000
when we're all texting and we're
like, OK, who's the starting
693
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,080
five of the offense?
And we will probably argue about
694
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,680
it because it's going to be
arguments about it.
695
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,280
The summer period.
Let's keep that up.
696
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,360
The summer period is long and
we'll do what we can try and get
697
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000
some Intel, but it is long and
there's not a lot to sort of
698
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,440
tell, so that's the best time to
just throw stuff at the wall and
699
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680
see what happens in fall camp.
Exactly.
700
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,920
All right, let's flip now to I
thought this room was set.
701
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,600
I truly did.
I truly thought the wide
702
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,240
receiver room was set.
You know Aiden Green has played
703
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,600
you.
Weren't you weren't reading on
704
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,800
Vt scoop.com then?
Hey, listen, man, I probably was
705
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,600
at a baseball game at some point
in time.
706
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,840
The the reading, reading certain
things has to go out of the
707
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,680
window when you hit the baseball
field 6 out of seven days and
708
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Josh is already hitting it here.
Talk about Isaiah Spencer out of
709
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Jackson State, a guy with some
data and you don't talk about
710
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,400
some data.
You take a look at and play two
711
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,000
seasons down there, 70 right at
70 catches over 800 yards, 5
712
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,880
touchdowns.
Let's go ahead and talk about
713
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,000
where's the connection there?
Who knew this kid?
714
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,320
How did this come about?
You know, Colby, because again,
715
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,840
this was 1, I think I thought it
was going to not come to
716
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,440
fruition.
I was like, I think we're set.
717
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
We could probably use one, but I
don't.
718
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
I did not think we would get a
guy who had this much
719
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,960
production.
Where you see, OK, the tapes
720
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680
there, the production's there.
I don't care if it's at Jackson
721
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,640
State or not.
Yeah.
722
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200
So assistant head coach, wide
receiver, coach Fontell mines
723
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,360
kind of takes what he wants.
It's sort of what it comes down
724
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,680
to.
I mean, you go out there and
725
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,000
this is someone who is, I mean,
pretty highly regarded going
726
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,600
around in the portal getting
some pretty, pretty big
727
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,280
interest.
I know Baylor was really heavy
728
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,320
on him there at the end.
I know he cancelled that visit
729
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,640
right after he visited Virginia
Tech, but you had some pretty
730
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,520
big suitors after him.
I mean, evaluators seeing the
731
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,800
skill and really being high on
him.
732
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,680
And this was just another
honestly master class by
733
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Fontelle Mines and seeing what
he wanted, getting after it and
734
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,000
getting him into the fold.
So, yeah, I mean, we we can talk
735
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,080
more about it.
But yeah, just overall
736
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,160
recruitment wise, it's just.
Coach Mon's doing what he does.
737
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,880
And I think, you know, what you
got to sell now is a little bit
738
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,040
different than what you had to
sell under a bow and offense
739
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,240
because it's it's it's still a
mostly balanced attack, right?
740
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,360
You're still going to get a
pretty decent dose of the run.
741
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,280
But because of the pace of play,
you're going to run so many more
742
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,960
plays.
These wide receivers are going
743
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,160
to have so much more opportunity
to make plays in this offense.
744
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,480
That's the selling point and
that's why you're going to get a
745
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,800
chance to pull in a guy like
this in the spring window.
746
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Yeah, I'll circle back.
Oh, sorry, go.
747
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640
Ahead, go ahead.
Well, I'll circle back a little
748
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,680
bit.
I know Curtis said you thought
749
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,920
you were good in like the room
where it is, yes, 100%.
750
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,480
But going into the portal, the
spring portal at least it sort
751
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760
of heard obviously with Brody
Adams missing the spring with
752
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
the injury, they really like
where he's at and I think he'll
753
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
be back for fall.
But just him being down, you
754
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,520
obviously bring in Kim Seldon
who's making the position
755
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,920
switch.
And I, I really think he had a
756
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,720
great spring too.
But you bring him in Donovan
757
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,640
Green, I think a nice addition
as well, but someone who's
758
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,720
battled injury.
So you really look and then
759
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,240
behind them you have chance
Wiggins, Tucker Holloway, a
760
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,480
couple other guys.
So they went into this portal.
761
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Ideally they weren't they were
looking for.
762
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
I know they hosted Christian
Fitzpatrick, the guy from
763
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Marshall that we got one handed
catch on Montour to Lane.
764
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,760
People remember from last year
in Lane, but that was maybe what
765
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,920
we were hearing initially, a big
body, true vertical threat
766
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,080
because I think Brian was just
talking about the vertical
767
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,160
aspect of Monty's offense.
Someone who can really push down
768
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,000
the field that that big, maybe
prototypical NFL receiver.
769
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,920
You think about that NFL like X
body type or 64 bigger guy and
770
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,480
really push down the field.
But when this is a player maybe
771
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,360
6-2 out of 215, maybe maybe a
little smaller, but but someone
772
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,960
who is still just as a talent,
you can't not take.
773
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,160
I think that's why they went and
backfield here at wide receiver.
774
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Now, that's not to say the
younger guys that they've
775
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,320
brought in, like Keelan Chan's,
Micah Matthews, Snoke, Peter
776
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Kim, but I mean, Snoke's a guy
who he hasn't even stepped on
777
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,720
campus yet.
Mike, it was splitting time.
778
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,960
So like, they really like these
guys.
779
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960
You just want to bring them
along a little bit.
780
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000
So this is a guy who's ready to
sort of just bridge that gap a
781
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,040
little bit.
No, Yeah, exactly, exactly what
782
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,400
I was going to kind of go with.
It is what Kobe said.
783
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,240
It's because the one thing you
can't account for is injuries,
784
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,440
you know what I'm saying?
And you got to you bring a wide
785
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,320
receiver in that was has been
injured.
786
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,400
You know what I'm saying?
You got a wide receiver that
787
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,160
you're kind of start counting on
this injured.
788
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Injuries are going to happen.
You know, you look at Ally
789
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,160
Jennings went down last year.
Then where you go from there?
790
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,240
You kind of if you can get
talent, you get talent.
791
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,560
Same as I said with the
offensive line room, it's like,
792
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,520
give me 10 and let's see who
goes.
793
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,640
I understand it and you never
know somebody wants to leave.
794
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
You know you don't you don't
know what's going to happen in
795
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,240
today's football.
So when you have an opportunity
796
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,840
to go grab somebody that does
like you said, have some data
797
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:24,520
does I think somebody put 0
drops I mean, you go you got 0
798
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
drops in in two years yeah,
we'll take it.
799
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
You know, let's, let's, let's
see what you can do.
800
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,040
Let's put you in the in the in
an orange uniform because that's
801
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
where we win.
And let's see what let's see
802
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,240
what you can do because we've
kind of seen what happens when
803
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,680
you have to rely on younger
guys.
804
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,040
You like Tucker Holloway, which
is like one of my favorite
805
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,800
people to watch, but he's coming
off of an injury, you know what
806
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,120
I'm saying?
What kind of production does he
807
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,600
have?
You know, is he going to be
808
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,160
primarily on kick return?
Is he a punt return?
809
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,080
Is he going to be kind of back
to him all his old self?
810
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,720
You get these young guys in, are
they going to play like you got
811
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,520
this kid here who kind of has a
body of work.
812
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
So you got the opportunity to
get him.
813
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Let's grab him.
So I was excited for it.
814
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
I don't know how I, I haven't
been on Twitter much lately,
815
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,480
man.
So I don't know kind of how
816
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,840
people perceived it.
But when I seen it, I've seen
817
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,800
the kid a little bit, you know,
just from kind of watching
818
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,800
sports.
I've kind of seen him pop up on
819
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,160
some highlights and of course
seen some of his, some of his
820
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
tape and things like that.
And I'm like, I think that was a
821
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760
pretty good get.
And the more I dug into it, like
822
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280
I like it.
I'm not gassing it because I'm
823
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,440
not gassing nothing like we can
get Tom Brady in the building
824
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,640
now.
I'm still going to be whatever,
825
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080
but I'm just saying I do like
that it looked, it looked nice.
826
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,280
Yeah.
And you know, when we think
827
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,080
about like true deep threats in
this offense, you know, we got a
828
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,480
we got a couple guys that are
probably you haven't seen enough
829
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,360
of to feel like you can rely on
thinking of of chance Wiggins.
830
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,560
In this case, you got a
returning from injury Tucker
831
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Holloway and you don't really
have you're much else as far as
832
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
true deep threats.
And so you get a guy like this
833
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,520
that has that in his in his
toolbox, that's only going to
834
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,000
help consistency within the wide
receiver room and consistency
835
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,800
from the offense and being able
to attack downfield.
836
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Yeah.
So yeah, I kind of and y'all
837
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
kind of hit it in every way.
I kind of said this was almost
838
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,280
like a safety blanket pick up
because not necessarily the
839
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
skill level of those young guys,
but it's the it's the no
840
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,320
production there, right?
Or very small production
841
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
numbers.
And sometimes you just want that
842
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
guy that, you know, we've seen
his like Tally said, I've seen
843
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,120
him play.
I've seen his highlights.
844
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,200
He's out there on the field, not
saying Chan's and Brody.
845
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,400
Excuse me, Keelan.
Y'all can get in trouble with
846
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Miss Lester.
You better get it.
847
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Calling him Brody.
Yeah, I don't do that.
848
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,760
He's Keelan.
OK.
849
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,320
Keelan Adams.
All right, I'm I'm gonna end up
850
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,000
beating her one day.
She's like, thank you for
851
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,320
calling.
But but I think that's out
852
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,640
there.
I think that's why that
853
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,560
happened.
It was just like we need one
854
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
more production piece, because
even if these young guys blow up
855
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,360
to y'all's point where one piece
away from somebody going down
856
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
and be in the same damn place we
were last year.
857
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,440
And you know, by the way, shout
out Fontell, I told the boys
858
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,440
this, I'll tell you this, Kobe,
I ran into Fontelle on Friday,
859
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,720
Trader Joe's here in Richmond,
just walking there he is
860
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,040
standing didn't some shopping
done said he was up to see his
861
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Mama for for the day.
Shout out Coach Miles, good
862
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,280
talking with you a couple
minutes there.
863
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,920
But I like it because now you
look at that room and you're
864
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,320
like, you got proven guys.
You got these skilled, these
865
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,080
young, skillful guys.
Let's see if we can roll
866
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
something, but you know, try not
to gas it.
867
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,840
I'm going to gas a little more
in Tally.
868
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,760
Let's hit one last.
Well, actually there's two
869
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,160
because I want to talk about the
long snapper in a second here
870
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,520
because it's an incredible
story.
871
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,320
I can't remember if you wrote it
or Amber wrote it, Colby, but I
872
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,840
just want to talk about him.
But let's talk about Garrett
873
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,560
Rangel, quarterback coming out
of Oklahoma State.
874
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,080
Where did this come from?
Was it some?
875
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Was it something already with
Monty?
876
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,320
Did?
Did somebody else have a
877
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,240
relationship with him?
Because he'd been there backup
878
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,600
for a couple years, had played
in several games.
879
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680
So it wasn't like it was just,
oh, I'm sitting on the bench and
880
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960
I don't want to do that because
he ain't starting here right
881
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,600
away.
Yeah.
882
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,240
No.
Then when you talk about
883
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,840
initially with this recruitment
there, there were murmurs about
884
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,640
maybe looking to bring in
another quarterback with the
885
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,680
presumption.
I mean, pretty much all spring,
886
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,280
it was sort of writing on the
wall that Davi Belfort was going
887
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,720
to be transferring and looking
elsewhere this spring.
888
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,520
So then you look behind Kyron
and Pop and you got two kids who
889
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,720
just went to their Proms.
You know what I'm saying?
890
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,600
I mean, these guys are 1718
years old.
891
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000
They're, that's what I think
about like when I'm standing out
892
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,280
there for spring practice and I
look around at all the early
893
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,040
enrollees and these, I mean,
essentially high school players
894
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,320
are playing against fifth year
guys.
895
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,720
It really is crazy to think
about.
896
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,400
So when you sort of think about
that situation, think about how
897
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,240
many times Pop had to play last
year and he went into the year
898
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,480
as quarterback #3 so this year,
instead of sitting on Pop, who
899
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,160
redshirted, had a lot, he early
enrolled and redshirted and then
900
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
necked last year.
So this year, if you're in that
901
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,040
situation, you're playing Kelvin
Ryan or AJ Brand, who a year ago
902
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,240
that time were playing high
school football.
903
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,760
So I think that was just the big
situation.
904
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,520
Coach Montgomery bringing a new
offensive coordinator.
905
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
He obviously hasn't recruited a
quarterback to the school yet.
906
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,040
This is someone you're familiar
with, felt comfortable with and
907
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,520
was looking for a new spot as
well.
908
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,200
So it kind of just worked out
really organically and well.
909
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,360
And this is someone I think
Coach Montgomery really likes,
910
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,400
obviously, to bring in here, but
somebody has a relationship with
911
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,600
and I think someone who you
think can throw the ball around
912
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,080
the yard a little bit.
So that's something in fall camp
913
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,240
to watch.
Sure.
914
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,760
I mean, I might contribute to
some crazy fall storylines.
915
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,240
And we post enough clips of this
guy spinning in the fall.
916
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,720
Yeah.
And and it's a guy that you
917
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,440
know, has, it's not a one year
rental either.
918
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,520
It's a guy that has a, you know,
couple couple years of
919
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,160
eligibility.
So it's going to be, I think a
920
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,000
good thing to both short term
and long term push pop.
921
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,920
But also, you know, looking in
the in the short term, you're
922
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,320
looking at, you know, that
emergency quarterback situation
923
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,040
where, you know, we got to to
quarterback three last year,
924
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
even though we, you know, we, we
had a couple injuries here and
925
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,560
there and all of a sudden you're
playing your, your third string
926
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,400
quarterback.
So not having to play a guy that
927
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,920
was just fresh out of high
school and really honestly, up
928
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,840
until this point should still be
in high school.
929
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,520
You're both of those kids, you
know, under normal tracks.
930
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,120
So you didn't really want to get
yourself into that situation
931
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,400
where you're, you know, a true,
true freshman getting out there,
932
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,080
significant minutes, especially
breaking into a new offense and
933
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,760
all those things.
So you love having a guy that's
934
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,400
at least seen some some live
snaps at the college level has
935
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
already been in a system for a
little bit, kind of understands
936
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,120
what being a quarterback at this
level is all about.
937
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,320
So that that's going to be
important.
938
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,360
And I think that's going to be
good for us from a debt
939
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,640
perspective heading into the
fall.
940
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,240
Anything tally on this?
Not really man.
941
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,400
It kind of hit everything.
It it you can hit on that
942
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,600
situation.
It's just like, I guess the only
943
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,400
thing I'll say is I've seen the
video of Kelvin Ryan and I think
944
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,080
it was Jeff Overton and AJ Brand
doing that.
945
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080
I think it was break the ice.
Is that what it's called?
946
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,000
Yeah.
So I've seen that on.
947
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Yeah, I've seen that on
Instagram.
948
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120
And Kelvin Ryan does not look
like he was just that prom.
949
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,880
He looks like a strong ass man.
I know when I was in 12th grade
950
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,200
or even a freshman in college, I
did not have facial hair like
951
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,000
that.
I wasn't that big.
952
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:03,000
So it looked grown man.
But again, now I, I think that
953
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,000
at this point you just can't be
desperate.
954
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,240
You know what I'm saying?
Like we can't get into games and
955
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,720
be, I mean, you could be
desperate at the beginning to
956
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,560
that's not the right word.
You don't want to be desperate.
957
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,440
You want to be prepared, but you
want to be able to do what it
958
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,160
takes to win.
So if you have to mix some
959
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,360
things up to win, sure.
You don't want to get in the
960
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,760
game and go, we can't run the
ball because we don't have a, we
961
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,160
don't have a running back that
we trust or we, we, we can't do
962
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,640
this because we don't have a
quarterback.
963
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,840
So bringing in another
quarterback, you, you got to do
964
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,720
it.
You know what I'm saying?
965
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,480
And you can't play scared ball.
You can't go well, we don't want
966
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,640
to make our starting quarterback
mad because bringing this other
967
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,360
guy in is going to cut man.
Can't do that.
968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,880
Injuries happen, there is a
transport portal.
969
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,960
You know, I know that there's
always talks of you know I'm
970
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,240
here till the end and you just
never know what's going to
971
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,200
happen nowadays.
So great.
972
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,520
I mean great pick up to go pick
up somebody who has played.
973
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,800
What I love to see when we bring
somebody in is somebody has some
974
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,920
kind of you got some kind of
experience.
975
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,600
You know what I'm saying?
You're able to get into a game
976
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
and look like you've been there
even with like college league
977
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,560
last year, right.
You know, when we brought him
978
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,600
in, it was kind of a shock that
we brought him in.
979
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,400
To me, that's thinking like why
they bring this dude in.
980
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,720
But in the long term scheme of
things, I mean, when he got on
981
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,320
the field, he looked like he
knew what he was doing, you know
982
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,600
what I'm saying?
So it was a much different
983
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,800
quarterback than somebody who's
just fresh out of high school to
984
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,640
have somebody with some college
experience and kind of knows the
985
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,240
speed of the game.
So picking up the quarterback
986
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,640
and bringing them in, you know,
especially with Kyron kind of
987
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,200
being on ice right now, you
know, praying that all of his,
988
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,480
his his recovery is great when
he comes back and he comes back,
989
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,280
you know, better than he was
last year just because we didn't
990
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,640
get to see the full potential of
what he was because of injuries.
991
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,960
So, yeah, I, I, I just love
competition, man.
992
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,160
Like I tell my kid all the time,
you know, if you don't like
993
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,560
competition, don't play sports.
If you just want somebody to put
994
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,160
you there because you're
supposed to be there, you don't
995
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,320
need to play.
So I say bring when pride was on
996
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,600
this show.
What do you say, Curtis?
997
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,640
I'm bringing in somebody to take
your spot.
998
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:15,480
Yes, all right.
And he said that the first time
999
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,480
we ever talked to him.
Bring somebody in to take your
1000
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,360
job.
You got to, you got to live by
1001
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,000
that, especially when you're
1616.
1002
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,280
You.
Know what I'm saying?
1003
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,240
Like you got to, you got to, you
got to, you got to have that
1004
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,040
mentality, so.
And I love it, Brian, you
1005
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840
mentioned and I think we'll,
we'll wrap this one up with
1006
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,320
this.
You said it perfectly.
1007
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Pop now cannot get comfortable.
Pop has got to push himself as
1008
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,680
hard as he did last year to keep
up with Schlee.
1009
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Because it's like, you know
what, you got the experience
1010
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,800
last year.
You, we know you can get on the
1011
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,640
field and play.
But we also don't want to be in
1012
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,440
that situation where last year
we had to throw Pop in the game
1013
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,320
for the first time and he did
OK.
1014
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,320
And it was great to see that
that really all that preparation
1015
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,560
got him ready.
But we're sitting back here.
1016
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,000
Do we want to put AJ or Kelvin
in that situation if something
1017
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
screwed up happens because you
know, that's that's the luck of
1018
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,640
the hokey.
Sun's liable screwed up.
1019
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,240
Instead you get to, I'm not
saying keep them on ice, but you
1020
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,720
get them.
Ron, you said it, their
1021
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,360
developmental path.
You guys are not going to play
1022
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,840
this year.
We now have 3 quarterbacks.
1023
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Cavern started a bunch of games,
Pop started some games he's got
1024
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,080
on the field.
And you know, Garrett Rangel has
1025
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,920
played in 13 games, thrown
almost 200 passes in three
1026
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,640
seasons.
That's a lot of passes.
1027
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,960
So I think we're at a good spot
there.
1028
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,960
All right, real quick, Colby, I
don't want to go into the
1029
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,960
everything about him any long
snapper, but if for those who
1030
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,720
didn't get a read on it, just
give us a little bit because you
1031
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:52,000
wrote an article back in April
about Drew Dole and I, I read it
1032
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,280
a couple days ago and I didn't
have his name on here at 1st and
1033
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,720
then I threw it on here because
what a story right for this guy.
1034
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,120
Yeah, I don't, I don't have it
up right now.
1035
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,440
Like I said, I'm in the Outer
Banks.
1036
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
But I mean, just a quick
synopsis of him.
1037
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,160
Obviously long snapper, maybe
not the most glamorous pick up
1038
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,320
of the transfer portal, but if
ever remembers how a bad
1039
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,360
exchange snap can go, you know
I'm not going to go much
1040
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,120
further.
But you know it's from the place
1041
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,320
where I'm from where it
happened.
1042
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,360
So anyways but.
Yeah, so.
1043
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,400
Long snapper, very important
anyways.
1044
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,160
But look, going back to Drew
Doyle, what an incredible story.
1045
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Someone who went and served in
the the US Navy and then went to
1046
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,240
Iowa State as a walk on after he
finished his service.
1047
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,320
I believe four years.
I don't want to misquote it.
1048
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
OK Yeah.
I believe he served four years
1049
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,520
then went to Iowa State to
continue his education.
1050
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,280
Walked onto the football team
and now to go enter the transfer
1051
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,520
portal coming to Virginia Tech.
Obviously such a massive
1052
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,000
emphasis on the core cadets.
I think just a really incredible
1053
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,720
story to have someone go and
continue their educational and
1054
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,280
playing career, which is really
amazing.
1055
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,000
So I, I think obviously I don't
think you could have hurt for
1056
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,560
that leadership to have in the
locker room.
1057
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040
I don't think there is any I, I
can't relate personally, but
1058
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,920
obviously a football locker room
has a great brotherhood, but I
1059
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,800
would imagine that the US Navy
has an incredible brotherhood.
1060
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,760
So anytime you can bring a
leader like that into the locker
1061
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,480
room, I think that's a great ad.
100% in In reading the story
1062
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,040
here four years.
You you, you remember the story
1063
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,480
you wrote?
Well, Colby, just a few weeks
1064
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,480
ago, four years in the Navy,
walked on, got got a preferred
1065
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,480
walk on spot once he came on.
So he was basically borderline
1066
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,840
about to be on a scholarship.
But Tally, you're going to love
1067
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,800
this.
He's a combat medic.
1068
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,560
We got somebody on the sideline
now that can work on these guys
1069
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,240
when we get hurt.
But hopefully we don't get hurt.
1070
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,680
But yeah, we don't hurt.
Hopefully that's, I mean that's,
1071
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,280
that's good that we can do.
That I feel like half the show
1072
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,960
we've been talking about, but
injuries happen.
1073
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,520
But injuries happen you.
Know.
1074
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,840
The whole crazy way.
Because like, I feel like, you
1075
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,320
know, either those injury bugs
hit you so hard, it's just so
1076
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,880
debilitating or it's like it
kind of just flutters around you
1077
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,880
a little bit there.
There's never like a middle
1078
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,320
ground where you're like
comfortable.
1079
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,320
It's either it, it, it stays
away or it like just completely
1080
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,000
runs right there debilitate you.
It's.
1081
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Right in your face, constant and
you're like, he's hurt.
1082
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,200
We hurt again.
Jeezy, I let's flip over to the
1083
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,880
defensive side of the ball and
obviously the defensive line was
1084
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,880
the standout room for that side.
And each guy probably has their
1085
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,560
own story and how they arrived.
But for you kind of looking
1086
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,520
through on Kobe and kind of
thinking back as you're, you
1087
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,120
know, reading what's going on
with them, seeing where they're
1088
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,240
coming from, what kind of stood
out for you on each of these
1089
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,760
guys, you got Cody Hussman,
Elijah Fall and Emmanuel
1090
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Hickman.
Yeah, I'll go down the list and
1091
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,720
just kicking it back to what
Tally said earlier.
1092
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,280
It's all, I mean, it's all about
the trenches.
1093
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,360
When you build out any football
team, you got to start in the
1094
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,880
trenches.
Obviously new offensive
1095
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,360
coordinator try to get his line
straight.
1096
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,480
New defensive coordinator wants
to get his front look straight.
1097
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,840
So coming in, you mentioned Cody
Heisman, the kid from North
1098
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,880
Dakota State Super that that was
a guy initially in the portal
1099
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,720
they set their eyes on targeted
and they're really, really,
1100
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,400
really high on now, don't get me
wrong.
1101
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Kamari Copeland and Kelvin
Gilliam, I think you can pencil
1102
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,000
in maybe almost in Sharpie now.
I think those two guys with the
1103
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
spring and what they've done on
the field here, obviously for
1104
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,960
Gilliam and the way they've LED
themselves in the locker room,
1105
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,000
in the classroom, outside of the
field, I think those two guys
1106
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,000
you can maybe pencil in a
starters.
1107
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
There's going to be a lot of
rotations, odd fronts, different
1108
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,320
fronts.
This is a guy who's going to
1109
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640
factor in a lot.
I think Cody Heisman, someone
1110
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
who's going to make a big
impact, someone they set out for
1111
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,960
her to get and to land.
I think they love his body type,
1112
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,920
what he brings.
He was all MVFCI believe is the
1113
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,200
conference what it's called OK,
and someone who I think is going
1114
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,600
to factor in pretty heavily.
Then you go down L my gosh, I'm
1115
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,520
going to mess up his name.
I'm so sorry.
1116
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,200
L had fall, I believe is how you
say it, but this is someone I I
1117
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,640
talked, I talked to and before
the visit he was excited after
1118
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,960
the visit said it went well.
And then it was it sort of
1119
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,720
seemed like one of those deals
where maybe he was going to
1120
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,000
fizzle out just because he was
going to go on another visit or
1121
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,760
something.
And then I'm at the golf course,
1122
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,880
I'm on the putting green, I get
a notification he committed.
1123
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,120
So I it was just one of those
things where there were smoke
1124
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,160
around it, but it seemed like
something I was going to drag
1125
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,720
out and then just all of a
sudden he was in the boat.
1126
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,200
So I believe he has two years of
eligibility left coming from
1127
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:37,280
Georgia Southern, someone with
multiple years just you got it
1128
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,600
like it's the trenches.
It's hard to find these guys who
1129
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,080
are walking around 290, two, 95
lbs.
1130
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,880
So you just got to load up
there.
1131
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,760
And then Emanuel Hickman, you
want to talk about maybe the
1132
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,680
someone who didn't surprise me
leaving someone who surprised me
1133
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,600
coming in.
This was the one true that
1134
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,120
caught me way off guard.
I was monitoring Michael Short,
1135
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,520
which happened I believe 1015
minutes right after this.
1136
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,640
But I just got my Qdoba Bowl
from Turner's Hall.
1137
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,720
If anyone's familiar with
Virginia Tech campus, I'm coming
1138
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,840
back.
It's a beautiful day.
1139
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
I'm sitting on my patio and all
of a sudden I see Emmanuel
1140
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,720
Hickman and I had to scramble
and and catch myself up with
1141
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,680
this.
But this is someone.
1142
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,560
I believe with one year left,
he's played a ton of college
1143
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,680
football.
I think started at East Carolina
1144
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,200
then went down to USF, Didn't
play last year.
1145
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,880
But someone like I said, the
body type, what he can bring.
1146
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,320
I think he'll also factor on the
field with A11 year left.
1147
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,880
And when you bring in all these
guys, I think from the fans for
1148
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,640
just everything, he can get
discouraging when you hear so
1149
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,360
much about Emmett Laws, Gerard
Johnson, even James Jeanette,
1150
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,160
just guys specifically those
guys.
1151
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,280
But Andrew Hanchuk, just guys
like that who you've recruited
1152
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,440
and been in the program and look
like they're making strides and
1153
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320
are making strides.
And it's instantly well, are
1154
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,520
these guys not doing the right
things?
1155
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,880
Well, no.
It's just in the way college
1156
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,640
football is now.
You kind of just you have to
1157
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240
continue like like you guys
mentioned when pride was on
1158
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,560
here, I'm bringing in someone to
take your spot.
1159
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,080
And it's not that you guys are
doing anything wrong.
1160
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,400
It's just every single day the
man next to you is going to be
1161
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,400
competing and, and wanting to
take what's yours.
1162
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,120
So I, I, I'm still think and
spring wise, Emmett and Gerard
1163
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Johnson specifically, even
Christian Evans, early enrollee
1164
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Christian Evans, I thought had a
really great spring.
1165
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,960
So overall, I think the
defensive line room's in a great
1166
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,400
place, but that doesn't mean
take your foot off the gas.
1167
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,640
And because with how many fronts
and substitutions I think
1168
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,800
they're going to be running, I
think you're going to want as
1169
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,000
many of those bodies as you can.
Yeah, that difference of line
1170
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,840
being, no, that difference of
line has has quietly been, I
1171
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,840
don't even want to say quietly,
but they've been doing some
1172
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,880
work, man.
When you start to think about
1173
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,720
all of the portal ads that they
had, and I know people be
1174
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,640
jumping on JC, man, I always
like JC, but people jumping on
1175
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,480
JC saying he couldn't recruit or
he spent too much time at
1176
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,040
Sharky's the way I don't know
whatever the place is that he
1177
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,480
likes to go Drake.
But I'm like, man, when you
1178
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,240
start to look at the names and
look at the production that they
1179
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,160
brought in the people we ain't
even seeing like what's the kid
1180
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,800
named the the redhead kid being
Bill.
1181
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,160
No, you think about Bill and.
John and John.
1182
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,560
Creek and these three guys like
the people that you already have
1183
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,840
there, it's like you have to
have we keep saying you have to
1184
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,320
have a lot of different pieces
that can fit that puzzle and I
1185
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,000
feel like they're they're
they're trying to get there, not
1186
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,440
desperation, but I feel like the
heat is on.
1187
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,280
I feel like prize the coach and
the coaching staff.
1188
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,760
I do think this is the best
coaching staff he's had since
1189
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,800
he's been here.
I'll say that.
1190
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,800
So I'm going to be mad sometimes
I've been calm because Kobe's
1191
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,520
here.
I got that right in front of my
1192
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,280
boy.
But I do feel like this is the
1193
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,360
best coaching staff that he's
had while he's been here.
1194
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,800
But I do feel like there is a
sense of urgency with what I've
1195
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,840
seen them doing as far as the
additions that they're bringing
1196
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,920
and the production that they're
bringing.
1197
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,480
It's not like, well, we can
develop this person and this,
1198
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,800
but like they're trying to do
something to generate some
1199
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,880
production and wins now, you
know what I'm saying?
1200
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,000
So what Kobe said when you're
thinking about some of the young
1201
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,320
guys like, man, if I don't get
it done this year, shoot, I
1202
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,960
might not be here to coach you.
I got to make something happen.
1203
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,320
Now we at least got to have the
trajectory going the right way
1204
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,200
so I can get these fans off my
back.
1205
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,000
So I think that they are, I
think that they are, you know
1206
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,840
what I'm saying, kind of moving
in the right direction.
1207
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,320
I, I was hesitant to say it, but
I'm going to be I, I do think
1208
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,560
they're moving in the right
direction, man, and I'm excited.
1209
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:51,360
I'm excited to see like what
what we have, which route the
1210
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,680
the schemes go and and the
players as well.
1211
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Yeah, I I think tally your your
concern is that is this too
1212
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,000
little too late?
Not that these aren't good
1213
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,440
moves.
It's is that is it?
1214
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Is it too little too late?
And you know, I'm gonna I'll say
1215
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,240
this, you know, talking about
Cody Heisman When I when I when
1216
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:13,920
I see and hear 64283, I'm like,
that's going to be a an odd man
1217
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,520
front DN right there.
That that that's, that's like
1218
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,920
prototypical size when you go
odd front.
1219
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,760
So that's what I expect him to,
to kind of slot in as I don't
1220
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,840
think he's necessarily going to
be that that front frontline guy
1221
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,560
on a on an even front, but he's
probably going to be one of the
1222
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,040
guys coming in when we go with
with some of those odd front
1223
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,600
looks.
So excited to see what he can do
1224
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,160
in in that capacity.
The other two I feel like are
1225
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,440
definitely going to be be those
interior guys, you know, 295
1226
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,240
plus in both cases, you know,
6364, these guys are going to
1227
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,080
still be shooting gaps, but
they're also going to be
1228
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,120
occupying blockers at the same
time.
1229
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,640
And I'm excited that we're
getting more bodies in there
1230
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,160
because when we talk about
offensive line is all about your
1231
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,080
best five and then having some
depth.
1232
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,520
Defensive line is all about how
many bodies can you send out
1233
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,520
there.
Keep those bodies fresh.
1234
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,120
You need to be at least 2 deep,
if not 3 deep in every position
1235
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,680
on the defensive line to feel
like you're in a good place.
1236
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,080
And so the more bodies we get in
in that capacity, the better.
1237
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,440
My question about the what's his
name Cody Heisman or Cody who's
1238
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,600
man or whatever his name.
My question is I have not looked
1239
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,560
at him at all like does he have
long hair?
1240
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,400
Is his hair long?
No.
1241
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,800
His hair is not long.
He's got to grow his hair out
1242
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,440
because any white boy that plays
on a defensive line at Virginia
1243
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,680
Tech with long hair, like they
usually do a good job when you
1244
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,800
go back to like Jerrod Hewitt or
even like Vinny Mohoda or
1245
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,760
something.
Not saying they got to be a
1246
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,760
superstar, but they just made
plays.
1247
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,440
He's got to have some hair
hanging out of his helmet and I
1248
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,360
think he's going to be alright.
No disrespect to Cody, but he
1249
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,880
looks like a white kid from
Iowa.
1250
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,280
Yeah, we got to.
We got to grow that hell, man,
1251
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,640
it gets cold.
Blacksburg.
1252
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,120
We got to grow the.
Hell, let's, let's, let's make
1253
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,560
sure we clip this section.
We'll make this the real and put
1254
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,160
it out there on Instagram so
Cody sees it and by by August
1255
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,320
Colby of Texas be like it's to
his back already.
1256
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,520
It's grown out.
It's grown out.
1257
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,280
He listened to you.
Got to.
1258
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,160
Be I need shoulder length by the
end of August.
1259
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Got to be defensive line
sometimes that don't work out.
1260
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,400
You know what I'm saying?
Even the wild though when that
1261
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,240
hair hanging out like man, they
make some plays so they.
1262
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Bad they bad.
And those vote for Ben Bell
1263
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,440
then?
Oh man, that kid got a handful
1264
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,360
air.
So does Yonkum.
1265
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,920
Yeah, and he's already kind of
proven it down in Texas State.
1266
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Like we got to have 10 sacks a
couple years ago.
1267
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,240
Like you know what he's doing.
I say this and and I wanted to
1268
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,200
y'all kind of hit on it in
variations, but I think the
1269
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,280
other reason this was done
because you mentioned y'all
1270
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,880
mentioned Jerrod Johnson,
Emanuel Laws and they're taking
1271
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,560
steps, they're looking good.
But when the average college
1272
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:06,160
football offense snaps the ball
75 * a game, that's about the
1273
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,240
average, right?
That's not the low end.
1274
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,480
That's not the high end because
you got some teams running 90
1275
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,480
plays, you got some are slowing
it down.
1276
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,960
I think these guys are brought
in more so to say, not that we
1277
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:23,520
don't trust you, but you aren't
there to take 25 snaps a game.
1278
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,440
By the time you get to 15,
you're.
1279
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,640
Going to keep rotating.
You got to keep rotating.
1280
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,440
But in this case with having
these guys who have experience,
1281
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,480
you probably know they're
they're they're game shaped
1282
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,160
ready.
You got Copeland, you got
1283
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,680
Gilliam already.
We slipped these guys in.
1284
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:42,000
Now we can introduce laws in
Gerard in 8 to 12 snaps a game
1285
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,680
we ain't.
Killing them and see they kind.
1286
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,480
Of.
Yeah, And they kind of did a
1287
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,080
little bit of that last year was
like, what's the kid's name?
1288
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,560
He looked really good last year.
Aisen Stevens.
1289
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,000
Aisen Stevens, Right.
So you got all these.
1290
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,720
You got all these people that we
depended on and the names we
1291
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,520
were hearing.
Like nobody talked about Aisen
1292
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,240
Stevens at the beginning of the
year.
1293
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Then he pops in the game and
you're like, who the hell is
1294
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,520
that?
Why does he look bigger than all
1295
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:05,560
the rest of them?
And what is?
1296
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,040
And he goes in and he does not
like jumping off the page as far
1297
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,680
as stats goes, but he does a
good job.
1298
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,960
You know what I'm saying?
You can do that when you have
1299
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,640
depth, like that's a football
team.
1300
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,040
Like you said, you're running
all these plays and then you're
1301
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,760
able to interject some of these
guys in or you know that this
1302
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,160
kid has some upside like an
Emmett Laws because Emmett Laws
1303
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,160
is a smaller guy to be playing
defensive line, right?
1304
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,720
But you don't need more tally.
He's 295 now, dude.
1305
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,080
He ain't small no more.
Right.
1306
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,880
I'm thinking height wise though,
so yeah, no, size watch is not
1307
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,040
where he's supposed to be, but
you know what I'm saying?
1308
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,439
You think like he's a young guy,
but you know, he's got some
1309
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,479
talent, but you don't want to
force him to play, you know what
1310
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,600
I'm saying?
When you think about it, in the
1311
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,240
past we had somebody maybe like
a Josh Fuga.
1312
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:58,720
Josh Fuga should have gave you
15 snaps a game, maybe 20 snaps
1313
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,359
a game.
But then when you start to get
1314
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,520
into the 30 snaps a game with a
player like that, it kind of
1315
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,479
looks like it he he falls off or
he's out of place or something
1316
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,359
like that.
So bringing in that extra help
1317
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,399
and bringing in that extra
depth, man, I think it's going
1318
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,880
to bode well for us.
And I'm interested to see, like
1319
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,439
I said, kind of what Cephas
does.
1320
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:23,200
I hope I got his name right.
He looks like to me like young
1321
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,880
enough where he can do some
innovative stuff, you know, not
1322
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,040
just old school.
We going to do this.
1323
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,439
This is the only thing that
works sometimes you got to
1324
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,319
change to your players, and he
looks like a guy that can do
1325
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,720
that.
Kind of doing a little bit of
1326
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,680
research on him.
He seems like a guy that'll do
1327
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,479
that as well.
Is why I feel like we're
1328
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,640
bringing in some different guys
with some different skill sets.
1329
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,240
So another thing that I'm
excited about, yeah.
1330
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,520
Yeah, I mean, he seems like a
guy that's going to do a couple
1331
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,680
things.
He's going to keep things as
1332
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,840
simple as they need to be while
still being confusing and
1333
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,480
complex when looking at it from
an offensive standpoint.
1334
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:10,280
But at at the same time is going
to not only adapt to take away
1335
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,440
the strength of what the offense
is doing to it, but also adapt
1336
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:17,280
to the strengths of the
personnel that he has.
1337
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,560
And that's what kind of being
multiple and having these
1338
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,160
different ways to align and
assign in the defense are
1339
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,960
important.
Hey, I got to break something
1340
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,200
up.
What?
1341
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,000
Jim put put that, put that
comment that Jim Gilmore put up.
1342
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,640
You see it?
No, no, not not Jim West.
1343
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,360
Jim James Gilmore.
I'm sorry.
1344
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,040
James Gilmore.
Yeah, put that up.
1345
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,480
You should have just looked at
him and said why?
1346
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,600
That's what you should have
said.
1347
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,920
Why, man, Why didn't you help
the offensive line when you was
1348
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,840
here?
You went to coach offensive
1349
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:51,920
line.
Why didn't you help?
1350
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,640
Why?
That's all I'm going to say
1351
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,240
about that.
Go ahead, Curtis.
1352
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:02,280
All right, let's let's jump over
to the linebacker room because,
1353
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,440
because trust, if the tally was
on that flight, tally would have
1354
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:06,440
Oh.
I'm asking.
1355
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,280
I got to ask.
You got to ask him, hey, what's
1356
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,360
going on?
Let's go to the linebacker room
1357
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,000
because obviously a room that,
you know, they moved Cam Fleming
1358
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,280
there, they were home, a couple
other guys, maybe McDonald would
1359
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,040
take one more step.
Nobody popped.
1360
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,520
So right then you're sitting
there with Gabe Williams injury.
1361
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:33,680
It's literally Caleb Jayden and
Caleb Spencer and maybe George
1362
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,360
balance on short yard situations
based on what we saw in the
1363
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,400
spring game.
That's not a lot of depth.
1364
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,280
So these guys have played
somewhat.
1365
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,680
So do you think the selling
point was probably these guys
1366
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,200
you're going to play, we're
going to rotate, you ain't going
1367
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,480
to be sitting on the bench
getting or just special team
1368
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,040
snaps you're going to play.
Do you think that was a selling
1369
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,120
point to both Short and
Santiago?
1370
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,720
Yeah, I mean, 100% that comes
into it when you when you look
1371
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,320
at that linebacker room overall,
the talent is hired, but you
1372
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,120
look at a Gabe Williams, someone
who's obviously injury in that
1373
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Clemson game, tragic, but some
of you're probably not going to
1374
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,920
be counting on this fall.
You look at like, why was his
1375
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,840
name slipped me Jordan Bass,
someone who you bring in talent
1376
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,240
level, you know the the measure
rules, but he's still two O 6,
1377
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,200
maybe 210 now, like coming off
an injury.
1378
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,600
It's you don't know if it's
going to happen this fall.
1379
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,040
You'd love to have him in the
room, but just you got to think
1380
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,840
about like Tal, he's saying you
don't know if you're going to
1381
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,280
make it.
You like you got to play this
1382
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,760
fall.
So and then you talk about
1383
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,280
obviously Caleb Woodson, Jaden
Keller, Caleb Spencer and then
1384
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,600
George balance there you have
the two clatter ball went
1385
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,360
through early enrollee.
You have no chambers coming in
1386
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,560
this summer.
So you got bodies in that room.
1387
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,200
But you got to talk about live
reps and Michael Short.
1388
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,200
He's only two years of
eligibility, maybe only one year
1389
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,280
playing.
I believe he had 23 tackles last
1390
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,800
year, mid 70s PFF grade.
But he was a special teams
1391
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,440
captain for UNC.
He did like he played so many
1392
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,600
special team snaps.
He did all the little things,
1393
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,120
didn't maybe rotate in as much
at linebacker, but this is
1394
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,280
someone they are really high on.
Michael Short I think could
1395
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,960
factor pretty heavily in and
that's not to take away from
1396
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,080
Caleb Spencer.
I think Caleb Spencer, honestly,
1397
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,520
body wise, everything wise maybe
will surprise people most this
1398
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,840
fall, but I think you had to go
out and obviously mess with that
1399
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,480
linebacker and Michael Short, I
think someone who can do it on
1400
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,000
both phases of special teams and
defense.
1401
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:39,760
And I think the measurable 6-3,
maybe 622252 thirty.
1402
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,720
I mean, that is what you want.
Antoine Santiago still kind of
1403
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,680
in that same ballpark where he's
not a 510 backer sitting around
1404
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,480
202 ten.
These are big linebackers on the
1405
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,640
inside, not afraid of contact.
They can move well, which is
1406
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,120
what I think you're looking for.
So Santiago I think is a little
1407
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,600
bit more, I believe the quote
was that we had an article or
1408
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,440
from someone his best balls
ahead of him, maybe more
1409
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,880
projected upside, but you got to
bring that into the room.
1410
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,960
But when you mentioned where it
was and what's available to have
1411
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,840
someone who can go run and hit
and strike and someone who can
1412
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,600
eat up field and be meshed and
still has a couple years left, I
1413
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,520
think you got to take him.
And then Michael Short, I think
1414
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:25,080
is someone who they believe
could factor in potentially
1415
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,800
immediately depending how camp
goes.
1416
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,760
So I think really great pickups,
something you had to do when you
1417
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,520
look at that room.
So we're really valuable gets
1418
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,040
here late in the spring,
honestly.
1419
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Yeah, definitely both.
Like you said, size wise is
1420
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:44,520
about 6323246364.
That's much different than a
1421
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,000
510, even 6 foot backer.
You know what I'm saying?
1422
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,360
No disrespect to Brumfield.
I think Brumfield's a great guy.
1423
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,840
But playing in the ACC when he
came here from where he came
1424
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,320
from was much different than
what he's seen, you know?
1425
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,240
And you can kind of see that
when he came up to make tackles,
1426
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,320
could be in the right place,
maybe a little light because the
1427
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,160
running backs that you're
hitting, the lineman that you're
1428
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,520
taking on, it takes a toll on
you.
1429
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,120
So you got to have a little bit
more mass, I guess, to be as
1430
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,440
much crap as people talk about
the ACC, it's still a pretty big
1431
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:23,480
Football Conference.
So getting those linebackers in,
1432
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:28,200
like Kobe said, with the size
that is at least the standard,
1433
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,680
I'm guessing because they're
both about the same size.
1434
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:35,560
So I'm guessing when they're
looking at a a A linebacker,
1435
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,400
they're probably saying we want
them to be about 6-3 and about
1436
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,920
2:30.
Yeah, look at Woodson.
1437
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,480
Look at Woodson.
We go through spring and like
1438
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:49,480
when even when I'm in spring,
it's all about the people who
1439
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,320
haven't popped.
Maybe I didn't like even give
1440
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,720
the flowers to Caleb Woodson.
That guy threw hunger drills.
1441
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,160
What he did to his body is
someone because he played a lot
1442
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,760
last year and he played I think
overall really well last year.
1443
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,440
Someone who maybe didn't get his
flowers through springs is
1444
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,120
almost expected the standard
someone who's going to be there.
1445
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,520
But I think this is someone who
is really going to step up and,
1446
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,960
and lead this defense this year.
So I, I think when you look at
1447
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,480
Woodson, that is honestly the
prototypical running mate they
1448
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:15,400
want to have.
And I think they found two guys
1449
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,440
who they can mesh and build into
that.
1450
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,640
And Caleb Spencer, I know a lot
of people haven't seen him since
1451
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,720
last year was playing that star
position carrying a little less
1452
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,280
weight.
He has done an incredible job
1453
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,640
with Coach Ferg in the weight
room.
1454
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,320
He looks, I mean, very similar.
I think by fall camp he he could
1455
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,720
really make a push there.
I got to I got to go take a look
1456
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,040
at him because I mean, he jumped
off a tape a lot of times when
1457
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,720
he was in and then he just kind
of fell off.
1458
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,520
Like we didn't see him anymore,
you know, later in the spring,
1459
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,200
later in the season and stuff.
So I don't know what happened,
1460
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,680
but I remember watching him and
was like, Dang, man, he can move
1461
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,760
and you know, he could hit just
he did a lot of stuff good from
1462
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,600
what I remember.
But I also remember we just
1463
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,960
didn't see him anymore, maybe
missed a couple tackles.
1464
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,440
And then I don't know if he gets
in the doghouse with the
1465
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:06,200
coaching staff, whatever the
case is, but to hear you, you
1466
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,720
know, boots on the ground talk
about what he looks like, what
1467
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,640
his body looks like, he's taking
it serious.
1468
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,000
That's energetic to me.
You know what I'm saying?
1469
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,320
To make me think like, OK, if
he's hitting the weight room and
1470
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,920
he's taking it serious like
this, he's ready to take that
1471
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,360
next step.
You got to have guys like that.
1472
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,480
Because I remember looking at
Caleb Woodson.
1473
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,080
Like, I mean, most people
should, but I remember looking
1474
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,960
at Caleb Woodson.
I think it was at the spring
1475
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,760
game when they were introducing
the new freshman and I was like,
1476
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,920
Curtis, that dude's going to be
good, man.
1477
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,720
Like he just came out of high
school.
1478
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,080
He looked like that.
Like, how do you come out of
1479
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,280
high school looking like that,
man?
1480
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,400
You know what I'm saying?
And my Mama didn't have enough
1481
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,280
money to feed me to, for me to
look like that, you know what
1482
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,480
I'm saying?
And I didn't have the mind to go
1483
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:50,720
to the weight room to look like
that.
1484
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,880
But a lot of these guys kind of
man, they, they, that's what
1485
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,480
they do now.
And that Caleb Woodson build,
1486
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,760
like you say, it is probably
about what a Virginia Tech
1487
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,720
linebacker should look like,
what a linebacker in general.
1488
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:10,120
OK, 100% real quick, people
might be saying undersized
1489
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,760
linebackers.
This isn't going to work.
1490
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,480
This is every linebacker that
was on Arizona swab last year.
1491
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:28,720
622-3861, 228-622-2056 Foot,
225-622-2963 236-1246 Guess
1492
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,920
what?
The linebackers we currently
1493
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,480
have literally fit that mold.
Like that is NFL guys.
1494
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,640
That's not that's not other
college guys.
1495
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,960
That's NFL players that Sam
Cepheus coached in that defense
1496
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,200
last year.
Ron, what you got?
1497
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,400
Well, I think this this thing
and I'll let I'll let Kobe jump
1498
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,400
in on James's comment here in
just a second.
1499
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:54,320
But you know, you were you were
comparing those sizes.
1500
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,360
But when we talk about this type
of defense and being multiple
1501
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,200
and being having some
flexibility and some position
1502
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:07,200
fluidity, you're not going to
have those like prototypical 3-4
1503
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,240
inside linebackers like your Ray
Lewis's and stuff like that.
1504
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,760
You're not going to have guys
that need to be 250 but still
1505
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,880
run sideline to sideline.
They're still going to be a
1506
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,520
little bit lighter.
And I think that plays into how
1507
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,120
we can recruit because we've
shown a propensity to be able to
1508
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,840
recruit not necessarily
undersized line, but not
1509
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,960
necessarily linebackers that
would fit, you know, hand in
1510
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,800
glove in the SEC.
We we've always been a little
1511
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,840
bit more undersized than than
that type of linebacker.
1512
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,560
And I've been as far as who were
able to recruit consistently.
1513
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,960
And I think this kind of plays
into where our bread and butter
1514
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,600
is from that perspective, both
in the footprint where we
1515
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,640
recruit and just historically
the guys I've been able to bring
1516
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,640
in.
Yeah, I'll jump in.
1517
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,200
James, appreciate you dropping
that in.
1518
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:56,960
Difference in explosiveness or
energy?
1519
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,240
Yeah.
I mean, I think overall there
1520
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,560
was a heightened sense of
urgency, intensity, focus on
1521
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:09,320
every position group, every
segment of I mean from periods 1
1522
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,400
to period 40, it was locked in
ball security.
1523
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,680
You didn't have guys messing
around, I mean locked in.
1524
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,560
And I think that was the new
coordinators obviously trickling
1525
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,320
down to the position coaches.
A lot were the same, obviously
1526
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,080
at Matt Moore, Coach Wilson,
some other guys.
1527
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,760
But there was definitely
heightened intensity of
1528
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,240
understanding what was at stake.
And I think a lot of that
1529
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,560
trickles down from Ferg.
We're not in there for hunger
1530
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,560
drills, but just even hearing
personal accounts, secondhand
1531
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,360
accounts, yes, there was a
different level through all of
1532
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,040
winter workouts and hunger
drills.
1533
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:52,880
And yes, Coach Ferg, if there's
one thing to hang the hat on, I
1534
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,400
think physically, and I think
you'll see it, I think they'll
1535
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,560
be physically in better shape,
more prepared, ready for the
1536
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,400
season.
That is great to hear.
1537
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,720
Great to hear.
All right.
1538
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,920
We got one last group to hit
here and one last player to hit
1539
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:15,120
and that is Caleb Brown, the the
most like to me, one of the more
1540
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,360
interesting players because he
is coming to us via Hawaii.
1541
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,160
He is coming to us though via
let me get the right.
1542
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,920
I want to make sure I pronounce
this correct.
1543
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,560
Lithuania Springs, Georgia,
which is right on the Alabama
1544
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,800
line because he's from Pinson,
AL, but he went to Georgia for
1545
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,720
high school.
I didn't know that.
1546
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,040
Yeah, yeah.
Went to Georgia High School and
1547
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,400
I was doing some background on
him.
1548
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,400
Did some stuff at Georgia
Southern.
1549
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,960
Is this something that maybe
Jairi Wilson had a hand in
1550
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,120
getting him and through the
door?
1551
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,560
Because I look elsewhere.
It's like we don't recruit that
1552
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,680
area that much.
But he's obviously, you look at
1553
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,560
his stat lines and stuff.
He's played some solid ball out
1554
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,160
in the Mountain West last few
years.
1555
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,920
To be honest with you, Curtis, I
don't know if Coach Wilson had a
1556
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,080
relationship here initially with
him.
1557
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,200
I think this is just one where
the portal is an open book and
1558
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,160
Coach Jones is being really
selective with who he wants to
1559
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,880
bring in through high school and
the college ranks.
1560
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,920
And we'll talk about a little
bit if we go a little more large
1561
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,800
scale on this cornerback room.
But what what they've brought
1562
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,640
in, I think he feels really
comfortable.
1563
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,400
But going back to SIBO, I
believe is his nickname Caleb
1564
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,560
Brown, someone who is going to
almost be a plug and play guy.
1565
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,320
I, I came out with the article a
couple days ago.
1566
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Whatever top spring portal guys.
I think he was either 3 or 4
1567
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,640
that I listed because this is
someone obviously with the
1568
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,760
unfortunate looks like Josh
Clark's going to miss the
1569
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,600
season.
Someone who I thought was having
1570
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,560
a really great spring and was
going to be able to factor in on
1571
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,360
the outside there.
You kind of have to go out there
1572
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,680
and find you, not saying this
player is similar in stature or
1573
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:58,000
size to Derek Canteen, but sort
of that guy who can plug in and
1574
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,880
seen a lot of college football
and can help those younger guys
1575
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,680
out.
Because you're going to have
1576
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,480
Dante Lovett and some other guys
we'll talk about here in a
1577
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,880
second.
But this is someone who can play
1578
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,920
outside.
Maybe it's a little on the
1579
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,080
lighter side.
I believe listed at 160 at
1580
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,560
Hawaii.
I don't know how accurate that
1581
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,360
is.
We'll find out in the fall, but
1582
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,880
has seen a lot of college
football, like you said, played
1583
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,360
pretty well the last couple
seasons out there at Hawaii.
1584
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,840
So Coach Jones is being
selective.
1585
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,640
So this is someone that fits his
bill.
1586
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,680
He's had a decent track record
in the last couple years with
1587
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,960
obviously bringing in Delane and
what he's developed with Strong,
1588
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,640
so I think this is someone who's
going to factor in and play a
1589
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,200
lot this season.
Yeah, that I mean it's, it's
1590
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,720
exciting seeing guys come into
that room.
1591
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,120
I think that when we were
looking at kind of post spring,
1592
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,160
I think we get circled
cornerback as being one of those
1593
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,280
where we we felt like we needed
to get one more guy in that
1594
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,320
room, especially a plug and play
type player that, that you feel
1595
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,920
comfortable with that, you know,
you, you probably feel, you feel
1596
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,200
really good about your one.
I think you feel OK about the
1597
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,880
guy opposite him.
And then after that, it's like,
1598
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,120
I think we can manage for a
little bit.
1599
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,360
I don't know if if they can hold
up for for, you know, a whole
1600
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,680
game or multiple games, you
know, back-to-back.
1601
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,960
We we probably need at least one
more guy in there that we feel
1602
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,080
really confident about and, and
not looking at nickel, just
1603
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,640
looking at the outside guys.
And, and, and I think we, I
1604
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,120
think we kind of we got that
with SIBO and I think that's
1605
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,880
going to be we'll, we'll see if
that's going to be enough depth
1606
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,720
for for this crew to hold up.
And you know, we can, we can
1607
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,080
kind of talk about that a little
bit.
1608
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,240
How are y'all feeling about the
overall depth in that room?
1609
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,320
And Colby, I'll let you you lead
off on that.
1610
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,360
I was about to say I agree with
you on that, but I'll I'll tell
1611
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,880
you what.
If you want to look outside a
1612
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,560
nickel, you obviously have
Isaiah Brown Murray from ECU
1613
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,040
looks like he's going to slot in
there.
1614
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,600
You got knowledge Harrell who,
if we don't even want to count
1615
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,880
him as a nickel, he can play
outside shoot, he can maybe even
1616
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,840
slide back to safety with the
way he's his body.
1617
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:05,440
Really, that's what I'm I'm.
I don't want to do this, but I'm
1618
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,040
very close to not telling lies.
But I'm just saying like the
1619
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,720
same way last year I was with.
Keelan.
1620
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,200
As we'll say, not Brody, someone
I thought really popped off and
1621
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,800
someone to keep note of is the
same way with these true
1622
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,360
freshman cornerbacks.
And nothing against Christian
1623
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,120
Williams, Thomas Williams.
I think they'll have to play a
1624
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,560
lot this year too, just with the
way injuries, rotations.
1625
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,840
But I'll tell you what, JoJo
KREM, Jamari Deloach and
1626
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,320
Knowledge Harrell are three guys
who already are not afraid of
1627
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,080
anyone, which is what you need
to be a cornerback lining up
1628
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,320
against these guys.
They're not afraid.
1629
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,960
And you even saw it in the
spring game.
1630
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,000
Like these are guys who are
ready to go and get after it.
1631
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,400
So I I think those guys are
ready to play.
1632
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,440
Speaking on death.
Yeah, when you talk about
1633
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:53,080
getting on the field early, I've
said it before, like cornerback
1634
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,160
is probably one of the positions
that stuck.
1635
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,960
It's not easy to do it on any
level, but cornerbacks probably
1636
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,560
one of the easier places to get
on the field early because that
1637
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,240
is mainly skill and and and
instincts.
1638
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,480
You know, most lineman to come
in, for a lineman to come in and
1639
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:14,240
start as a true freshman, kind
of unheard of.
1640
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,800
Like you got to be really,
really fucking good to do that.
1641
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,640
You know what I'm saying?
Every now and then you have a
1642
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,480
quarterback that can come in and
play early like that.
1643
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:25,560
But cornerbacks, receivers, it's
just like I need you to guard
1644
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,480
this guy.
You mirror him and some guys
1645
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:29,760
just got it.
You know what I'm saying?
1646
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,640
Knowledge Harold has it like out
of the all those guys that he
1647
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,680
mentioned is is good.
But I'm telling you knowledge
1648
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,320
Harold, if he stays at Virginia
Tech for three to four years,
1649
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,240
you'll see this guy go to the
league.
1650
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,320
You know, I mean, he's going to
go wherever he goes, barring,
1651
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,920
you know, injury or getting hurt
or or troubled.
1652
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,640
I don't think I'm not speaking
any of that, but I'm just saying
1653
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,760
wherever he decides to leave
from college wise, I think we'll
1654
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,800
hear his name called in the
draft.
1655
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,640
I don't want to go to where
he'll go.
1656
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,160
I just look at his skill set,
look at what he's done.
1657
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:06,560
Look at how he transitioned from
high school to college.
1658
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,240
Another kid that's supposed to
be going to prom, you know what
1659
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,840
I'm saying?
But he's at the spring game
1660
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,880
guarding college wide receivers,
you know what I'm saying?
1661
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,200
And and some other wide
receivers are big and physical
1662
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,520
man, like Aiden Green, not a
small dude.
1663
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,800
You know, he's he's played a lot
of football.
1664
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:33,160
You know, the other, the other,
the other Green brother, you
1665
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,600
know what I'm saying?
Cam Selden, these are guys that
1666
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,800
are play football at a high
level, you know, and you got
1667
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000
these kids that are coming in.
That's like I got them no
1668
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,480
problem.
JoJo Grimm the same like.
1669
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,720
It's right here.
They want to play, man.
1670
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,120
And that's the selling point
that you have at Virginia Tech.
1671
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,080
When you're somebody like, you
know, Coach Prowl or Coach
1672
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,240
Jones, that the one thing I can
offer you is you got the
1673
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,160
opportunity to get on the field
early, You know what I'm saying?
1674
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,400
Like that is what our selling
point is at a school like
1675
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,280
Virginia Tech.
And so I, I love it, man.
1676
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,040
I'm glad to see the kids going
in and competing and hell, I, I
1677
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,520
want to be like, what, who is
this?
1678
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,920
You know what I'm saying?
Who, who is that jumping off the
1679
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:14,720
page?
Who is this?
1680
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,040
So I'm interested to see what
they do.
1681
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,400
Back to what we said, as far as,
you know, bringing in SIBO,
1682
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,600
didn't know much about him, but
all of the things that we've
1683
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,640
talked about, it definitely
makes sense because as we've
1684
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,800
been saying, this whole, you
know, broadcast, like you got to
1685
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,040
be able to have the bodies, you
got to be able to plug some
1686
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,800
people in and see who's going to
compete to get that playing
1687
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,800
time.
So I'm, yeah, I'm definitely
1688
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,080
interested to see to see what we
do in that and on the back end
1689
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,600
like that.
I think something's in the water
1690
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,720
down there, Green Run, because I
mean, they've had some guys come
1691
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,120
in and contribute right away.
And I mean, hopefully we got
1692
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,560
another one in the trenches that
might be coming this way as well
1693
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,560
sometime please, in the near
future.
1694
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,040
But.
Y'all got my hopes up.
1695
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,640
I mean Kobe, you really got my
hopes up.
1696
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,440
And Tally's over here talking
about knowledge because we've
1697
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,080
seen it, right?
Knowledge.
1698
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,200
We've seen it.
We've seen it.
1699
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,440
He's he's going to be good man.
When we think about it, think
1700
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,240
about Brandon Face on years ago
when he came on Kobe, you're a
1701
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,720
younger guy, but you were
probably enough to remember face
1702
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,520
on.
It's like he's a true freshman,
1703
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,000
like, And he bowled.
Yeah.
1704
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,840
Kendall was the same way.
Macho was the same way in
1705
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,280
Tally's 100% right.
That is the position.
1706
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,760
Because in so many things, it's
either this is your area,
1707
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,760
protect your zone, or you got a
man in Miriam.
1708
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,280
Yeah, it's it's basically you
got to have the mentality that
1709
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,440
you want it.
And like knowledge.
1710
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:51,960
Harold's got he's five, 11185.
He's already a college football
1711
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,480
size.
He's ready.
1712
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,640
Those might be not even right.
Like.
1713
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,160
Yeah, so.
He he's he could pretty heavier
1714
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,920
than 185 honestly, really maybe
yeah.
1715
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,280
So he's.
Already bigger, they can even.
1716
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Shift that guy back to safety
eventually.
1717
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,200
Like he could play anywhere back
there, Yeah.
1718
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,640
He's got it, man.
He's I'm telling you, like we
1719
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,400
won't even go into rankings and
stuff like that because we know
1720
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,040
how everybody feels about
rankings and oh, he's only a
1721
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,240
three star.
He's only four-star.
1722
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,200
Whatever he committed early.
I'm telling you, you go put on
1723
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,840
the tape.
You ain't even got to put on
1724
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,280
tape because high school don't
matter.
1725
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,240
Go look at these people playing
now.
1726
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,480
Look at what they're doing now.
It's so many.
1727
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,000
Like you can follow anybody on
social media and find out some
1728
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,400
stuff about them, their
workouts, what they're doing
1729
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,760
when they're competing.
You can go look at somebody like
1730
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,960
Knowledge Harold.
And first of all, I've never
1731
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,800
seen a kid named Knowledge.
He got to be famous like he got.
1732
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,680
He's got to make it with a name
like Knowledge Harold, right?
1733
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,760
I've.
Never heard that name, so just
1734
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,560
looking at him, looking at the
body of work that he's already
1735
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,320
compiled, it's like same as we
thought, look at Chris, then
1736
01:30:58,320 --> 01:30:59,680
hopped on here.
What's up, Chris?
1737
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,800
He's late tonight.
Man, it's been Mother's Day, all
1738
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,680
type of stuff going on.
They don't tell him Chris.
1739
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:11,280
But when you just look at what I
do, like what prize done, and I
1740
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,640
don't want to go off into
another tangent, is that I got
1741
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,520
to get a man props because I'm
so pissed because I hate losing.
1742
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,520
But I got to give him props
about what he's been able to
1743
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,200
bring to Virginia Tech.
As good as some of the things
1744
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:28,800
that we've seen dumb ass dude
Foo, what we've seen Foo do as
1745
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,520
far as on the field, pride has
brought some kids here and some
1746
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,800
talent that we're not used to.
You know what I'm saying?
1747
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,160
Seeing some of the people who's
committed to Virginia Tech, I'm
1748
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,240
like, man, we ain't seen a kid
like that in a long time.
1749
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,080
Or you know, some people who's
committed and it's like, well,
1750
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:49,840
we've seen this dude get this
good after a while, some of
1751
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,200
these kids are coming in like
JoJo Prim is ready to play.
1752
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,840
I'm not saying he's going to
play, but if you go watch him,
1753
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,880
he's ready to play.
He can step on the field and
1754
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,520
play some, play some snaps for
you.
1755
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,200
Right now, they can't do a whole
game, but you can put him on
1756
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:06,720
somebody and say, I need you to
guard this guy.
1757
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,120
I need you to guard this area
and something good may happen.
1758
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,240
So it's been a lot of times
where we didn't have that.
1759
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:15,760
You know what I'm saying?
Even if you think about Dorie,
1760
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,720
Dorie is an NFL guy or he's the
NFL guy, but when he came in,
1761
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,120
nobody looked at him and was
like, man, this dude's going to
1762
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,480
the NFL.
He just developed into that,
1763
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,240
which is great.
But some of these kids now, it's
1764
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:35,360
just like, man, they got it.
So I'm I'm interested to see how
1765
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,800
much playing time they get.
How how can we use them?
1766
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,640
Because I really think that,
like I said earlier, I really
1767
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,080
think that they're in go mode
and they understand like I
1768
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,080
cannot.
We're not trying to hold shirts.
1769
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,840
We're not trying to win shirts
some guys, but we got to win.
1770
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,520
We got to you can't go into
these games.
1771
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,600
You look at prize regimen, his
his resume since he's been here,
1772
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,040
you cannot go into this year.
And I don't want to look at no
1773
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,520
fucking schedule.
So don't nobody asked me to any
1774
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,520
games are going to win and lose.
I'm just as bad as his as bad as
1775
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,880
his roster was when he first got
here, we can all agree that this
1776
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,560
roster is better, right?
Even though we these guys in the
1777
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,080
NFL, this roster is still better
than when he got here. 100%.
1778
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,520
It was only losing games by
touchdowns and seven points and
1779
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,760
six points and three points.
It's like, I just want to see
1780
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,800
this year where he takes that
step.
1781
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,760
Whether it's in two games or
three games, you got to get a
1782
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,120
signature win, you got the
opportunity to do that and you
1783
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,720
got to win the some of those
close games that we keep losing.
1784
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:48,240
So come on, Pry, help me, man.
I want to love you.
1785
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,440
I want to, you know what I'm
saying?
1786
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,120
Help me love you.
That's what I want.
1787
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,240
All righty, there we go.
Did anybody see Jim post that
1788
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,800
the other day?
I saw him post that.
1789
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,600
Yes I did.
Well, you didn't.
1790
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:03,920
Did you see it?
I did.
1791
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,200
Did you see it, Kobe?
Did you see?
1792
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,840
It crazy.
We'll we'll send that over to
1793
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,440
you in the message so you can
laugh.
1794
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:17,240
But Kobe, thanks for the time on
the portal giving the
1795
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,120
background.
These guys letting us kind of
1796
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,680
shoot the breeze with you about
them about seeing again what we
1797
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,320
feel like it's it's all these
guys are layered depth in
1798
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,000
somewhere going to help this
program.
1799
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,040
I will hit one more piece before
we wrap it up tonight.
1800
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,680
I just want to get Y alls take
on it.
1801
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,960
Ross Dellinger and it's and it's
something that's been flowing
1802
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,640
out here probably for about 18
months now.
1803
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,160
A little bit more.
Basically it is looking like
1804
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,400
more and more we are heading to
16 team playoffs.
1805
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,840
SEC in the Big 10, throwing the
nuts on the table because
1806
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280
basically they can because
they're getting the most money.
1807
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,360
They're getting the best players
currently right now getting 4
1808
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,560
auto bids.
The ACC in the Big 12 getting to
1809
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,680
one G6 now and then three at
larges.
1810
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,440
And I listen to Josh Bate,
probably a lot of y'all do.
1811
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,640
He's one of the better voices in
college football.
1812
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,560
And I love what he said to this
because you want to talk about
1813
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,280
having the relevance of regular
season being even bigger if this
1814
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,720
happens, if they're auto
business, some people are pissed
1815
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,200
about it.
You, you, you can't be too upset
1816
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,760
because they're leveraging their
strength.
1817
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,720
If the ACC had it, guess what?
We guess what Jim Phillips would
1818
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,680
be doing?
He's saying I want fourteens,
1819
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,560
Screw y'all, we deserve 4.
But that's neither here nor
1820
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,320
there.
But that whole thing of a
1821
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,880
regular season champion gets an
automatic bid and then everybody
1822
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,360
else plays in.
First of all, you want to talk
1823
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,480
about the weekend after
Thanksgiving being ungodly like
1824
01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:47,440
having news games, like just to
be in that mix, right?
1825
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,880
How much would us sit here and
say if they go to this, this,
1826
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,320
this 16 game playoff that we
didn't win the regular season,
1827
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,240
we're like we're third, we can
get in.
1828
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,280
You talk about people clamoring
in the last few weeks of the
1829
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,440
season, but what do you all
think of it?
1830
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,400
Too much, too little.
You hate it, you love it.
1831
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,560
Kobe, since you're the esteemed
guest here, what are you
1832
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,120
thinking this?
Well, I think you bring up a
1833
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:11,880
good point there.
I mean, once they started
1834
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,600
expansion, they they were never
going to stop expanding.
1835
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,920
So from 12 to 16 it it was
always going to keep going on
1836
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,840
there.
I mean, personally, I think it's
1837
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,920
a little crazy that we're having
college players play 1617
1838
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,480
eighteen games and now you're
seeing them play into late
1839
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:29,560
February.
You're starting spring practice
1840
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,360
right after he's played the
national championship.
1841
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,240
But I mean you you talk about
those regular seasons.
1842
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:35,160
I don't know if you're going
off.
1843
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,040
I didn't see the most recent
Dellinger thing.
1844
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,240
He does incredible work covering
all the the behind the scenes.
1845
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,960
But I know Pey and some other
people have talked about making
1846
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,120
the regular season really
matter.
1847
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,040
And I think that's what makes
college football stand out
1848
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,720
against, you know, every other
sport is the regular season.
1849
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,080
When you had the final four
teams, it was well, if you lose
1850
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,960
1 game, you're probably out.
So it really heightens that.
1851
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,680
But you talk about with this
expansion within these
1852
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,640
conference standings, if you're
in the Big 10, if you're in the
1853
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,520
ACC, there's no collective
bargaining.
1854
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,800
So yes, for now, of course,
every conference is going to
1855
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:10,680
have to lobby for themselves.
But for the ACC, you have those
1856
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,560
top two teams in the regular
season if you get that automatic
1857
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,200
bid.
And I know he's talking about, I
1858
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,160
don't know, in the ACC if they
only get 2 bids.
1859
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,240
But in the Big 10 and SEC, the
three and the four team, the
1860
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,960
three would play the six and the
four would play the five and
1861
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,760
like a simulated championship
game weekend.
1862
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,800
And then those two teams would
also would get in automatically
1863
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,280
as opposed to the whatever.
But then you talk about the at
1864
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,000
large teams.
What if the at large team was
1865
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,320
the three seed in the SEC and
then they lose that SEC
1866
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,880
championship game?
So I don't know.
1867
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,480
I think it's just going to end
up being a lot more games.
1868
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,800
But I think it's exciting
because you talk about those
1869
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,520
that last weekend at
Thanksgiving, I think they are
1870
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,680
going to simulate some
entertainment because there are
1871
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,680
going to be a lot of races that
come down to the end year in and
1872
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,560
year out in every conference.
So I think it's going to be
1873
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,440
exciting.
Maybe I'm a little bit of a
1874
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:06,560
purist where I, you know, I
thought Ford was great.
1875
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,240
It added a different element.
It's it's just from 16.
1876
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,040
Where do we go in three years
when the next cycles up?
1877
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:18,080
It's just it, you can't play 64,
you can't put 64 two teams in a
1878
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,800
tournament.
So there's got to, there's got
1879
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,920
to be a got to be a March band.
Somewhere.
1880
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:30,080
I thought 12 was honestly a
perfect balance of inclusivity,
1881
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,280
but still letting the regular
season matter.
1882
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,200
I think moving to 16, I'm kind
of torn.
1883
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,120
I, I thought 16 was a little too
much.
1884
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,520
I thought 12 was kind of
perfect.
1885
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:48,600
You're basically saying 10% of
all of FBS.
1886
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,960
You're saying of that you get
about 10%, maybe a little more
1887
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,160
of the, the P4, the P5, you
know, whatever it was.
1888
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,920
So I like the 12.
I would have preferred a
1889
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:12,880
situation where you assign the
rankings not by having those
1890
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,440
automatic conference champions
go up because the thing that
1891
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:22,440
caused the blowouts in this
playoff was the seeding, not the
1892
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:26,440
teams included.
You had you had some lopsided
1893
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,640
seating because of the way the
conference championship shook
1894
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,360
out.
And now all of a sudden you get
1895
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,160
these blowouts that you may not
have had if the seating had been
1896
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,960
what it should have been, It'll
have been a progressive, you
1897
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,240
know, a progressive tournament
like you would expect a normal
1898
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:42,280
turn determined to go,
especially if you had some re
1899
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,880
wrap re rack after the the
initial round of games.
1900
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,600
But that's neither kernel there.
What I would like to see instead
1901
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:54,160
of these 4 auto bids for the SEC
in the Big 10, I'd like to see
1902
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:58,120
three auto bids with your
champion and your runner up
1903
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,600
getting a bid and then three and
four playing for the third one.
1904
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,560
I'd be good with three for the
for them give 2A piece to the to
1905
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,800
the big Big 12 in the ACC.
And maybe, you know, you you let
1906
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,240
them do the same thing where two
and three play out for that
1907
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,240
extra spot with your regular
season champion getting the
1908
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,320
automatic bid.
I wouldn't hate that and give a
1909
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:26,240
a few more at larges there.
I think that larges are going to
1910
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:33,720
be something where you don't
square, peg, round hole the SEC
1911
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:38,400
in the Big 10 into half of the
playoff every year because
1912
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:43,080
they're not going to always have
as much of A stacked deck every
1913
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:48,200
year. 100%, there's probably
going to be two to three teams
1914
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,160
that absolutely deserve it every
year.
1915
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,200
I don't necessarily think that
there are four teams in both of
1916
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,040
those conferences that are going
to be in the top 16 every year.
1917
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,160
So that's my beef.
Probably not the Big 10.
1918
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,840
I, I think the SEC probably, I
mean, when you look last year,
1919
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,360
Ole Miss Carolina.
But that's the point of the
1920
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:12,640
regular season right there.
That game mattered more people
1921
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,280
said it killed the regular
season.
1922
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,640
That game in the swamp.
Just I got the point of people
1923
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,200
say that game mattered.
That was the most important
1924
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,720
regular season game.
It crushed on this.
1925
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,240
They damn near lost to
Mississippi State because of it.
1926
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:29,400
They shouldn't had any reason to
be almost or competing having
1927
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:30,480
Mississippi State compete with
them.
1928
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,720
That game proved like This is
why it matters, because Ole Miss
1929
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,720
had slipped, they couldn't slip
again, and they should have beat
1930
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,360
Florida.
They were better than Florida.
1931
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,240
But that one day college
football rears its beautiful
1932
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,640
head and just says the day you
lose.
1933
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,400
Ally.
Anything on this?
1934
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,440
Yeah, y'all are putting too much
thought and and effort into it
1935
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:53,320
in depth with it's very great.
I just want to see Virginia Tech
1936
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,080
get.
We do too.
1937
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,960
This is what I'm saying though.
We ain't going to get there in
1938
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:02,560
the top 4812.
Maybe 16, 30?
1939
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:07,640
Teams in there, we might be 30,
we might be the top 30 if we can
1940
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,400
get there in 30.
Fucking put us in at 30, baby.
1941
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:11,280
There we go.
I'm ready.
1942
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,880
To go all right.
And with that.
1943
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:17,520
Let's wrap up this episode of
the Boundary Corner Podcast
1944
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,160
brought to you by the Counts
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1945
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,360
with our wonderful guest, Colby
Crawford.
1946
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,800
Where can they find Jack Colby?
Yeah, I mean, just head over to
1947
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,120
vtscoop.com and follow me on X
at Colby Crawford.
1948
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,880
But yeah man, I really
appreciate you guys having me
1949
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,240
on.
I know I ran y'all a little bit
1950
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,280
late, but you all love to talk
about, so I appreciate you guys.
1951
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,120
Oh no, you didn't.
Run us late, Colby.
1952
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,720
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1953
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,040
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01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,240
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1960
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:05,080
He plays us in, he plays us out.
He and Tally are going to start
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01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,160
a Titans football podcast.
I can't wait to watch that every
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01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,480
week.
You're.
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01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,480
Going to be singing on there
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01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,280
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01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,280
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