Pittsburgh Game Recap

0:45 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast. I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. How you doing tonight, buddy? Doing good, man, the 49ers didn't play today so that had absolutely zero stressors throughout the day. Yeah, fantasy team. If I should well, you should go look at the league and see how many IRS or P UPS or no games this week that are on my bench and I still broke 100. With guys like Tim Patrick, Robbie Anderson and dmytryk Felton, Robbie Anderson saved your day on that last Drive touchdown catch.

1:29 Patrick had a touchdown to so I'm probably not going to win, but the boys were given some effort out there. Little golf clap for your effort. Well, I'm I'm watching my Braves. Try to put the Dodgers in, 2002 whole. Yeah, I got to look at my Colts. Finally, get back on track against the Texans today. I myself have been under the weather today but I'm here tonight. We're going to get this done. It's going to be, it's not going to be fun, but it's going to be, I think, Us Airy. And I think we're going to talk about some things that really need to be said and kind of push forward.

2:15 I think on where we need to go, we're not going to talk a lot of specifics about the game just because I think everyone kind of has rehashed that enough in the last couple days. We're going to get talk a little high level about what we saw and what we thought. But most of this is going to be a temperature, check in this era of hokey football and it's it's it. We're going to, we're going to have a A little later. After we discuss the game four from the post game and then there's an arc there and their points were going to hit all along. And but before we get into the getting upset news, we did gain a commitment over the last week right here, from the 804 right here, down in Chester the five and one Thomas Dale, team Malachi Madison 63 3310, I do not think it least.

3:16 The weight part is incorrect, seeing some of his videos. I think he's ever been of a 300-pound kid. He's a three-star guy and, you know, two guys that we'll talk about later with Ryan Smith and JC price, where his primary and secondary recruiters, what are you seeing from this big guy from those highlight tape run? He's a guy that Already built exactly what you want for this type of system that can still he's got, he's got a motor inside the tackles there, he can move, he'll get after you. Like I said, the thing I like the most is that he's coming in size, ready?

3:57 Ready to go. Probably even a little better shape than even when when fuga came in at a similar size. So I think he's a guy that probably could push for some rotational snaps here one and you know by year, 2 2 & 3 is going To be making a significant impact for the defense. Awesome. To hear that. And again, another Virginia kid and Kylie, I'm looking here now. One, two, three. 45. Six, seven, eight, nine, nine of the 23 commits. We have our in-state guys.

4:42 Obviously, a couple of the top 10. And as much as we've lauded, and we're going to absolutely rip some things apart tonight. You know, I really think thanks to Justin Hamilton JC price, Ryan Smith, Adam Lichtenberg we're still 19th in the country. And I think, if you look at the Arc of the players left, I don't think we're falling out of the top, 30 in less when things happen. Like we probably are assuming they happen at the end of the season unless there's some guys that completely jump. All ship. I think we're going to have a top 30 class and that's good for who hopefully the new regime.

5:23 Yep. And we're going to be talking about that in a little bit. Yeah, let's start by talking a little bit about the game itself. Whoo, What can we say? Bleeping pissed. I literally put on shows on. This is my notebook folks will show you the inside contents of it. Literally after the first half, I said the season is over. Bleep. This. That's how mad I was. I went out. Talk to my wife, we decided what we were getting for dinner. Made our kids, some dinner here at the house. My mom was gone. You called me for a vent session, only get dinner, I did me and Ron had a session in the rest of the night. I watched a little bit of the other gangs hung out with my wife, you know, about you.

6:21 After that first half. Yeah, I mean we ended up kind of settling in decided we want to do for dinner, grab dinner, I ended up throwing the game on the iPad and we watched Halloweentown with with my son. So that's how hard I went all. Sometimes, what's going around? Let's let's let's hit the defense first in something that you driving to the restaurant. I thought you told me, it's like if you told me we take away certain plays in. Did you say Saw we're going to be in this game. Yep and we did a good job of kind of taking away what pit like to do.

7:02 We actually did a pretty good job of kind of stopping a lot of the over the middle stuff that they like to do and some of the routes that Mac it had a lot of success with there wasn't a ton of those and more or less kept their receivers from completely dominating the game. That was a shocker. I didn't I didn't think for four quarters that we would have been able to do that. I know game Flow, they kind of went away from the past good about in the second half. They didn't need it after that. Fret that opening drive touchdown in the second half. They didn't really need to swing the ball around much anymore, but I thought we did a good job overall where I thought we struggled was setting the edge in the Run game. We did a good job.

7:53 They were running up between the tackles, we did a pretty bad job when they were bouncing it outside and making sure that those you know, PR gains didn't turn into first downs to off and they were either 8-yard gains first down runs. Yeah. Yeah, nothing. Nothing gassing. But bad enough, where you're keeping your defense on the field longer than you like, how much does that go into Bronwen knowing the type of passing a Attack that they have. How much is it? Where how much is it easier for an offensive lineman to set the edge? When you know they feel like we're still passing because it one point it was 21-7 right?

8:37 Yep was 21-7 the game was not put away 21-7. Excuse me? No 28-7. They got their touchdown on the opening drive of the second half. But how easy it was it to run when you know you're playing a passing team and it's like well they're going to be coming up field. How much easier is that for an offensive line? It really depends because you still want to stop the penetration, but they did a good job in their kind of outside zone game. Kind of funneling us where we needed to would then, again, the edge was solved.

9:17 And I think some of that was by Design just because we were trying to stop some of the stuff, the, the passing game in the middle of the field, and I think those responsibilities ended up going by the wayside a little bit. And you know, there wasn't there was a couple times where we were there and we just took a bad angle and there was a couple times where we were there and we just didn't keep keep that outside leverage the way we needed to and you know they got a running back that while not you know necessarily a game changer has good speed and he was able to get to the edge a lot and impact the running game that way. Like I said, he didn't do anything that was hurting us in terms of big plays but it was just a gash here.

10:01 Gasps there that kept him on the field and that really kind of played a role in the first half, they be open to extend drives especially as they closed out the the first half there and then it impacted Us in the second half where we couldn't get them off the field especially on that one. Big drive to that really close out the game. Exactly. The one in the second half that are in the fourth quarter that literally laughs I like 10 minutes, you know, 28 if you would have told us the defense held's to 28, I think me and you probably sit here on Wednesday night and say then we might actually win the game me and you pegged it, you know, we roughly pegged it that we would be riding the mid-20s. They'd be in the 30s.

10:49 I do think. If the game Flow had been true, we had been more competitive offensively. What you're going to turn to in a second here? I think they probably get to 35, maybe 38. Yeah, just because I mean they, they were definitely Able to sit on their lead in the most of the second half. So he just shocking for nor doozy because it seems like he's always loved to run the score up on it. But I think you made this note in here Brian and it sums it up. Perfectly the defense did everything possible to keep us in this game. If we saw how that game Flow when in the first half, It would not have shocked me if it has been 35 nothing. Yeah.

11:31 Yeah, the defense was able to get off the field on a couple good three and outs. They were able to get them off the field early in a drive, a couple other times, gave the offense, a bunch of opportunities especially early in the game with some shorter fields, and just did nothing to capitalize on it. All right, so let's flip to the offense because I'm going to piggyback off that from going to the defense. That first drive, we kick it to them. We three-and-out them. We send a, we almost get to the punt. Their punter, short legs, it. We get it at the 50. They let you sit here in your, like, if you had asked me in opening set of four plays against that offense, like it's perfect. Stop them, almost blocked.

12:20 It got a great field. What the offense did was literally just ugly. They piss down their leg all the way. It was. It looked plain. It looked Bland and you know, Brian. You put on here and you kind of mentioned it last night. There's no sense of urgency is just like, oh yeah, let's run these plays. That everybody knows we run. I mean they knew how we were going to attack them and they invited in a lot of ways, right with that Pressman. Yeah and we you know, we went there and the problem wasn't necessarily that the opening drive was bad in terms with the sequencing but as the game went along especially in the first half, we showed zero Plan B.

13:13 When those kind of shots down the field work and Acting, we didn't have a counter punch. There was nothing. Nothing that the offense was doing nothing that the play caller was doing to change what was happening on the field. It was essentially, these shots are going to work or we're not moving the football and we didn't to the tune of what 61 yards in the first half. Total offense? Yeah, it was it was it was one of the worst first halves of offense I've ever watched. And I've watched a bunch of bronstein spring called games and that one I was pulling my hair out and then it got to a point where it was so bad.

13:58 The first half, like I was I reached full on apathy by the second half, I was like, all right, whatever it is game is what it is at this point and that's sad because I mean the fans saw it to, we saw, you know, we're pretty much a half empty Lane stadium. That started the second half. Yeah. Yeah, most of the student section was gone. A third of the the other stands were empty. It was it was a very sad situation and it's sad that we're that we're getting to this. And, you know, let's go ahead and talk about the last piece of the offense that I think that we have not had success in this year and it was evident again against Pitt. We did an awful job of establishing the line of scrimmage as an offense.

14:44 I'm not sure. I mean, we obviously know that the talents of Christian Darris all we knew that that Doug Nestor was a solid starter. I did not anticipate this degree of drop-off in the offensive line and it's not just, it's not just the Khalil Herbert has amazing vision and timing and the ability to break the big play. That's definitely a factor. But they're not getting any movement at all. There's no movement the sneak with forth and like inches where you normally see because you know, the snap count, right? Brian.

15:27 We're going to be able to at least get the get a slight push. They got outside. I'll tell you what it is and I looked at it. I know you know, French I know French talked about it too but Brock snaps. Under Center the same way. He snaps and shotgun. What does that mean? So, he drops his ass too much meaning that he's rocking back in his stance, which when you're running in shotgun, and you're probably running outside zone or inside zone or something where you're doing a reach step or Zone step, or you know, some some sort of Either lateral or potentially even giving ground on your step to get an angle on a Defender. Okay.

16:21 When you're under Center you're trying to drive off in short yardage, that's a completely different mindset and it may just looks like they haven't read that enough where they coached him to change. How he goes about the business in that scenario. Okay, thank you. I'm now visualizing that and kind of thinking and thinking about what in a Zone scheme would an offensive Center is having to do, so that does make sense. So why this brand or not? This, if he's not good at that, why not on fourth and one? Aren't you just You know, running something like an inside Zone where at least it's not counterproductive to what he's doing, like listen put in Jalen Holston, you know lineup, you know, Gallo in the backfield is an HVAC and let's just choose a hole and run it down hill under Center. Yeah, and that's a problem because what's happening is that Brock has no forward drive because because of the snap, So therefore you're literally relying on essentially Brock's raw strength and Braxton riding behind him. Plus whatever.

17:43 Let's see. Des or Caden. More were able to get push to get that first down. I like the fact that we're going under Center. That's us, that's a smart move but if you're not going to coach them up to the point where they can execute it, then it doesn't really matter. It doesn't It's kind of like saying we're going to be a vertical passing team, okay? Our quarterback can throw the ball 30 yards and don't think a vertical attack is going to be exactly what we should do in these cases. Yeah. And we said we had to take some shots against this defense because you have to because they invited they are not going to get a ton of other real estate of in other places on that defense. But what you can't do is that in a windy environment with a quarterback that doesn't have the strongest arm in the world. Just take shots for 30 minutes.

18:39 Know that again, no adjustment, no adjustment to anything on the offensive side of the ball throughout the game. They invited it. Yes, you're having struggles. There's when practicing is banged up and you really didn't see much of a change in that goes into probably a lot of the stuff we're about to get into, Braun. Anything else on the game before. This segment. No, I'm good. But all right, but we get into the main topic, The Arc of this current head coach. We are going to take a quick pause for a message for from our digital partners.

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20:08 And when I woke up this morning, it made me think about let's get into this art because what he said was It's my responsibility. It's my job to get us to play as good as we can play to whatever level that is. It's my respond, he accepted the responsibility. That essentially he screwed up and my thing is this, it's true. It's absolutely true. That being a head coach. It is game day. Preparation is 100% responsibility to head coach, but it's not the only responsibility of the head coach. Yep. And as for us, I think the way we feel Are where we are because of not just gained a preparation, but essentially multiple aspects of it of this coach Stan, and what?

20:55 It's all the things that are leading into the product on Game Day, right? It's not just getting I'm not getting the guys ready week to week. It's everything that's leading into that and I'll let you, I'll let you roll with the first point here. Well, the first point, I'm going to make is this before we gonna do the first point. This podcast at various dates and November of twenty twenty said, the man should be fired. Yep, the man should have been fired. My tea leaves and everything that was going on. It looks like that was going to happen and then we beat UVA in 15 games and somebody pulled the plug on. I don't know who it was. And maybe one day we'll find out but the first thing Brian and it's the big Bugaboo its recruiting. And and now stories have started coming out and things are being known.

21:52 And the first point I hit here, Is you start hearing from certain coaches, the Andy bitter article and we'd heard this through the grapevine through other people, saying that basically our head coach does not consistently communicate with top prospects. At least not to the degree that other quality staffs are doing and even some in the state. Especially, I mean, it's not like, more or less that we cure need o to you. In particular, is is doing a pretty bang-up job with communicating pretty much with with 804 757 and Nova there, they were hit or miss with some of the other coaches that were a part of that article, but that makes sense. I mean, there's, you know, they don't need to, they need to focus on the areas where they can get kids to come in, they don't need to cast that wide net necessarily in the state. Unless there's guys that are kind of falling through the cracks for some of the other power 5 schools. Absolutely.

22:57 But because I say in, you know, What this leads to though is your underlings, your assistant head coach has potentially taking lead in, not doing things similar because for a top prospect. If the head coach is calling twice a week and I'm the o.c. or I'm the primary or the secondary Cooter, I better be calling four to five times a week, but this is the classic lead, by example, situation being what it is. You damn, right. It is so if he's calling once or twice a month, And I'll call once a week and there you go. You start slipping, you start losing building the relationship, so there's that. All right, let's go with this because this is, we know this happen.

23:43 The mistakes that were made with the in-state relationships and now the subsequent attempts to repair the in-state relationships. Yep. That was known a few years ago. And the issue though, is, if you come in and get those relationships, well, off the bat, you're potentially starting to get those kids. You don't have to repair. Yep. End, and some people said, yeah, but it's being repaired. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing that the amount of energy now you're having to take to repair those relationships and now you're having to, you know, we always we will back to jepara Parker, right?

24:27 If we had taken some walk on preferred walk-on or taking some kid out of Highland Springs, Thomas Dale Oscar Smith five years ago, six years ago, when this man first got here, You would consistently have your shots at those two four-star kids out of Highland Springs. That went to Oklahoma. Yep. and I think that's the problem is that, you know, it shouldn't have happened to begin with the, the bridge is shouldn't have been burnt and it wasn't just, it was a combination of two things, right? It was what's, what was perceived as deliberate snubs of certain prospects and then it was just a general lack of attention to the high schools in general.

25:15 And the combination of those two things soured a lot of prospects on staying home and that, you know, that in and of itself probably wouldn't have been a big deal. But while all of this was happening, obviously, Penn State starts creeping down into Virginia, North Carolina, Matt comes back starts, getting up into Virginia Clemson. Alabama or fish you stay. Reaching into Virginia, you've got those guys were stepping up their game. At the same time we were pretty much, you know, taking a pass on the majority of the state at least in the way that we should have been hitting it. Exactly the way we should have been hitting it. In the way we should have been hitting it, is, are you going to be able to get every five star kid? No, because, right now, the way the state's leaned as people want to leave and that's but what it does if you're getting a pwo or you are you know, the two star kid who Is an okay player offering him?

26:30 Well, it helps you build that relationship with the Lauren Johnson's with Chris down at Oscar Smith, with all the coaches because you said you were going to football player to be on scholarship, more and give them a chance. And it's a, it's a heck of a lot easier to walk into someone's office and their kid who maybe had two or three FCS offers and maybe one small Max school or something. You give him that offer it immediately opens the line of communications. All right, Brian, this is yours right here, buddy. How about some unbalanced classes? Yeah. Yeah. That is the big big problem with with our roster right now is that we've been stacking.

27:17 Its combination of two. Things are going to talk about that. Very next step here, but unbalanced classes. So we are stacking players at positions and then you can, you can you can give me the fist pump. I saw, Matt suggest K the kid. Yeah, that was a big. Big big get out there. We gotta Double ought to start the inning, got a Sac fly to move into third, and then we get to two back-to-back strikeouts to close it out. So that was nice. That was nice. All right. So unbalanced classes, okay, taking five wide receivers in the class, then turn around and taking five defensive ends in a class five running backs in a class.

28:03 I mean, what's the purpose of having 10 scholarship, running backs? There is no purpose at most. You're going to have one running back on the field at one time. Even if you were going heavy rotation and I mean, I'll say heavy rotation. Where Bob guys 56, I'll say six, like you have the all-around that's a heavy rotations. I'm just saying that's what I will say it out loud. You have, you have to all around guys, right? They can do a little bit of everything. They can run inside outside. They can they can catch some passes. Did you have your heavy guys short yardage situation guys? Which we still don't understand how to put the right size, guys, in four short yardage situation.

28:50 So, two of those. And then these are my more pass catchers. If we're going to run them, was probably gonna be outside. The numbers are going to run outside Zone. Sweeps 6, I'd say five to six is maximum number of running backs. You need on a Collegiate roster. And we got me, even if even if you're even if you got one or two on there that you want to Redshirt like by Design like seven, maybe eight maybe ten never to. And if you got, if you got 10 on the roster and I'm not trying to knock this class this year and I've got that up still.

29:30 So I'm going to look at. We got 10 on the roster right now and we've got Ramon Brown. And we've got Bryce Cube. Dip, so no one leaves, which I think the only genuine Holston would be the only one who would be eligible to leave because of how old he is. I think heymann them still have a chance, 11, you know, it's and it's the thing is, it's, well, we have the scholarships to give and it's like, yeah, but you're devoting your resources to recruiting that position, the devoting your resources to recruiting that position, devoting your obviously time and effort, And devoting the scholarship like why are we giving scholarships to positions that we're already set at? Yeah.

30:20 It's truly. Like, I'd much rather throw a scholarship to a borderline you know, three star Talent at a position that we need. Then keep stacking running backs. Just just because they're willing to come to Virginia Tech or where depth truly. Chatters. Yeah, me, there's three positions that you can never get enough of offensive linemen defensive lineman and secondary players, because secondary players, you can have a kid who's playing Corner potential. He can move to safety. If he doesn't have the skills, get and vice versa. Yep. Um, if everybody go back in the day, Kam Chancellor started as a corner and he was solid there, but he became spectacular as a safety. Those three positions because at any one time, there's going to be Five Guys on a field at four to five guys on the field. So we'll get into the player retention and a few other things later on that, and Brian, here's the one. I've kind of noticed And I'm going to go back with a kid here from the r-va that you coached against that. We watch develop over a decade ago. Anton, Aksum was a three-star.

31:34 Kid coming out of a Deep Run. Played quarterback, played Safety. It was classified as an athlete. No one knew where he was going to play when he came out. Some people thought running back, maybe he's a wideout you know if he grows a little bit he could probably be a linebacker. Maybe a corner. We're not recruiting just going out there and looking at a kid who might be playing quarterback and free safety. Look at their body type and saying, this kid is an athlete. He has he's built, he's 61, he's 205 pounds, he's fast. He has good agility.

32:15 Wouldn't find a place to put him and with this staff to me, and if I'm wrong, somebody please DM us and tell us, I don't feel like we Fruit like true athletes and just looking through this year's, you know, I'm looking, I don't really see anyone that's really an athlete actually. I don't think anybody's classified as an athlete. No, I'm going. I'm going, I'm going, I'm almost to the top. 23, commits zero. Classified it athlete. Yeah, and we definitely used to look at that more. I know that with 24/7 diving, a little bit deeper, there are fewer true athletes in a recruiting class now than there used to be there at least slapping a position on them even if it's not necessarily you know written in stone, right? But I'm with you because some of the best players that have walked through that tunnel had I've been guys, we didn't know exactly where they were going to play when they were being recruited.

33:24 They were just damn good athletes. They were players. They were guys on their team that that got it done and I just don't see us doing that. But when we talk about recruiting, the other thing that we got to talk about with with recruiting and it's it goes into the depth. Is that player retention, right? Water percent just before we get to play retention 24/7. Currently has 157, guys. Classified as athlete. Under now E7, that's a small number compared to how many kids are going out, but Brian hundred percent right after recruiting, it's getting them in the building developing and retaining them. It doesn't matter if you recruit them and everybody leaves the next year.

34:11 But let's start with the biggest problem room right now for us. It's a quarterback room. Yeah. How many years have proven? They been here. How many quarterbacks have started a game for us six that same number of years? That's bad. That's bad. Eh. Actually let's take Kenny Pickett. Okay, Kenny F and picket, can he pick it? Has been at Pitt for three years. He has started for three years and he actually has played for. He got some time when 2018. So he's seen the deal for years.

34:51 He's had the same offensive coordinator for the last three, and Kenny pick. It is you was we said Brian. Never we, I still don't feel like he has the highest ceiling. But he never had a terrible floor. No, right? And out the out, the gate, he was a solid player with enough F, lettuce is mm2 key. Plays alive extend plays or do that Scramble for a first down when you need it. It was always that guy. He was always the always through a pretty accurate ball as well. You know, the the issue that, you know, we saw it with Kenny Pickett is that for a while there he wasn't going out there and winning games that He needed to buy himself a part of the problem was that they put too much on him, probably early in terms of him having to do that. And now that the rosters kind of balanced out in terms of the offensive weapons.

35:47 Yep. He's coming into his own and because he's he knows the system and and and there's a lot to be said about chemistry and understanding the system to a very rich degree, right? When you're in it for three years and not just in it. But playing it live against other competition. That matters it does. What does also from a point, and I think you made this Wednesday night, you get that on tape and you can be physically ready to go, but as you see it on tape, it's this right? Yep. I see what I did here wrong. When I see that safety, move down my Slants my slams taken away, but if I see him move down my seam, If I can make that other safety move to the far, hash I'm going to have my seam route open, or I'm going to have my en route in because the safety is not there anymore. It's the mental reps.

36:46 It seemed things on tape and it's having someone to develop you which Mark Whipple has in Mark Whipple you know and we can joke about Whipple offense where he's kind of combining spread and pro Concepts. The guy was in the NFL for a few years, the guy has a solid Track record as being a pretty good quarterback developer. The when you're going six on six, it says a lot about who the quarterback coach is. That you're not making guys, stick around be better. You're shuffling guys, out the door, you're essentially playing favorites watching Hendon last night before he got knocked out. And I hope that I haven't seen any news today.

37:30 I hope that he can come back but you know, it not only it hurts, you from the development standpoint. but it hurts you from doubt, we have no death in in in, you know, we were out here like O'Connor Knox and it's like, you want someone like a Quincy and Quincy should have been They how do you don't retain one of them? With all of that is said and done is just strange to me because I mean there's no way that they looked at what we're dealing with this year.

38:12 Were like yeah that's going to be sufficient to go out and get a coastal Championship. Like there's there's no way that they saw on tape. And they were like, Yep this this is going to get it done and I think that that's another problem that we're having with player retention, is that for whatever reason we don't value depth, we don't value getting guys involved, especially on the offensive side. Oh, yeah, I think that's another problem because we've got wide receivers that are transferring out because we don't get other guys involved in the offense and I love Trey and Tay and I feel like they're getting the shit end of the stick as well.

38:54 But other people need to get some of these balls thrown their way because we need to be able to spread the ball around. And we really have underutilized the tight end position habitually throughout the tenure of Fuente. And it's strange because that I know the the H back kind of makes that offense go in terms of the running game and things like that. But At some point you just gotta you gotta figure it out and get it. Get those guys involved in the passing game more. I mean I know James Mitchell is out and that's a big blow but you got to have you got to have a plan B next man up get this thing going absolutely and you talk about the wide receiver room and dude we don't see any of the younger players.

39:45 It's essentially before last night, Dwayne Lofton had one catch. It was on for like maybe three or four series. You've got to get them on the field. Field. There's no way you can develop them. There's no way you can get game filming. Tell them what they're doing. Right? What they're doing wrong. And I think what this staff thinks is, well if they're not doing it, good in practice where they don't doing a game and it's why we got the EFT in 2019 when they started Willis, because hook or well, he does some things wrong in practice and it's tight and you always say, Brian, I don't, practice is great. But there are certain times you just have to put people on feel. They have to play. They had a few if You know, the limitations of, who you think your starter is?

40:28 And, you know, the upside of the guy that's behind them, you got to try the other guy that's behind him and get him some more reps in the game, so he can take those steps in the development process. I mean, we had a full. What how many games was it eight games of Ryan Willis in 2018? Yeah, we knew what the Ryan Willis was all about. By the end of that year. Yes, we did. I don't think anyone thought that Ryan Willis was a high ceiling quarterback. No more. Yeah, if if it's picked day, it was going to be.

41:11 It was going to be a long one. See opening game BC 2019. But it's so if you're if you don't get those young players on the field, you know, it sounds silly. Let's just be hindsight and I know one of our guys, we chat with. They Cokie be fish. His Remember this comment is long time ago. Let's chat with him when he said he's like I think we should have just played hook or an 18. We weren't a good team. Yeah, all day was online was the bowl street but you could you in again, if you actually had a good quarterback developer if Booker had played 18, 19, 20, and then come in with basically three full seasons Where it's not we're not worried about him lining people up, right? He can go out there and do this offense in his sleep. It's it's the mental reps and unfortunately, it's going to happen next year.

42:15 I think, whoever the court we're going to have even though it's going to be a new regime seven quarterbacks in seven years. No team is successful. No, professional team. Most high school teams aren't like that. Usually high school teams. Brian you can attest chef. Jep was really scared a couple of you. At least get a couple years with most of those guys, exactly. We already talked about the running back room. It's way too. Crowded offensive line run. We did this to ourselves. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we submarine the depth, we allowed players to potentially run the room, and I'd like to that rant that ran off a couple players.

42:59 So in that and now You're faced with a situation where your back filling and you got you're not you're not comfortable. Interior offensive line, you're awful at tackle death right now. Yeah, awful terrible. Absolutely awful. And this is a, this is a 223 cycle fix. This is not something that we're fixing with the 22 class or even the 23 classes, the three cycle fix? Yeah, because we essentially only We have true. What? Three tackles? Yep. You tackles two new to Silas and Clements who played Saturday. In the whole, the the whole player running the locker room was, was alleged.

43:49 But when you see two guys, leave like that and you saw them getting playing time and whether you like rotations are not, that is what it is. Even the NFL rotate. Sometimes I've seen that with my 49ers rotating, occasionally on the interior. That's, that's, that's just the fact of the game. We live in today. It's not what it was 30 years ago where if you're the starter your, the starter you're never coming out of here on the offensive line. But when you take away, like Hudson and Nestor where, you know, say what you will if our starting line this year was probably Hudson its Center rocket, right? Doug it right.

44:34 Tackle. With Silas being a swing in Parker, being a swing guy in. I know you always mention Johnny, wouldn't be here Kaden. Getting some early reps to develop himself. I don't know if we would be what we were last year. I think we'd better when we are now. And if you can keep them in the locker room, and somebody will say, well, that's just the position coach. No, no. The head coach dictates That's tough, because if the position coach, I'm sorry, I'm getting a little excited about this, but if your bank, if I see night, it's the position coach is letting that sort of shit happen. You go, you pull him in the office, like, nah, you need to crack down on this. You need to not let the players run the room. You stop this crap and you need to have a man-to-man conversation with these guys about the way while we rotate. And then you need to give them examples of why we rotate. But, you know, Start with the head guy. It does in we're paying for now.

45:37 The other situation is defensive end situation, that's a weird situation. But it goes back to Step One. The stacking. You talked about Ryan. We saw especially in the Notre Dame game, not having that in-depth killed us in the end. Because I follow the game, we did not have gas to send guys after the quarterback, and finally had you had the statue back in there, but you were to gas to go after him. And then last night with the way they were running the ball same way, right? If you don't have the ends, it consistently rotate in. They can't set the edges or at least try to eat a, make the hump and the hump on that Raheem Blackshear play.

46:21 Where he went six yards, backwards, terrible running play there, but You know, it's one of those things and everybody's like, well that's University policy of the stuff that happens. It seemed well, you know what? If you actually have a head coach, Who's involved in that stuff, who's getting in there and having conversations with the administration's, you know, maybe something like this doesn't happen. But again, doesn't choose to chooses to go home. Not talk might be social You know, again it's a two prong right there, it's stacking and then it's the lack of communication with the administration on campus, but it's stacking.

47:13 But it's also when it comes to just overall roster management because if you are recruiting at a proper clip at that defensive end position and doing a good job of retaining those players, then you can afford to lose one or two guys. Guys, especially considering, you know, one of the three probably wasn't in into a rotational position coming into this year to were two were. And but if but if you're recruiting that position properly, you can lose two guys that are possibly part of your rotation and still keep it moving as long as they're not your front line players, right.

47:55 And they weren't they weren't the front line players but we had not we had not recruited that position in a way. Where we could manage that type of attrition. Yeah. So again, recruiting retention all in one Fell Swoop there and we see paying and don't get me wrong, towel on garbett in a maribor. Know they make me feel like the old-school Tech defensive ends. When they are gassed up now and they get beat up at the end of the game, they're not, but nobody's going to be no. All right, Brian, well, let's flip it over. We've taken care of, what's going on the locker room? We've taken care of the recruiting Trail.

48:36 Let's talk about game days because I swear to God, I swear to God. Our team's juice on game days is the most by Kohler thing I've ever seen. And sometimes it's literally, I put Her to quarter. And I'm actually going to go back and say that's wrong drive to drive. Yeah, I 100% agree with you. It seems like when taking never get this team up when they need to be up and often times when you know the the defense rallies in gets us up the offense comes out completely flat and lays an egg and it's not just it's sometimes the body language.

49:22 It's sometimes they come out and they don't look like they are confident about making the play that they need to make. And I think that's, that's the thing that is striking to me, is that sometimes they just don't seem ready to, to get the job done in those situations. And that's a problem in that goes back to coaching, but the other thing that goes back to coaching is adjustments when we see. All right. Our game plan is not working yet. Let's move off of this. Let's do something different in the It game. We were taking shots, we knew we had to take shots that's fine, but you're dealing with a swirling wind with your quarterback that probably still has some degree of a shoulder injury and doesn't have the strongest arm in the world already and you've got him swinging, you know, 30 yard goes and Fades pretty much the whole first half and I get you've got to take those shots, but you also have to mix it up where they can think about something. One else, it's true.

50:23 You have to make the corners, think about something else. You can't just keep coming at them with the same thing, especially when you don't have Isaiah Ford out there or Bucky housing or Bucky Hodges. We get the money. It's true. It's true. And it took him a couple series to start making his adjustments. But again, I'll say it. If ham doesn't make a couple of his adjustments on the defensive side of the ball. It's even uglier in the first gets ugly. Yeah, I mean he he compared to the offensive side hands making his adjustments. Yeah.

51:04 Now sometimes they take a couple drives to get going but they might be a driver to later. And you like but they get there eventually get there and then it offensive ly it's just like there was there was still no gameplay and change 21-nothing down in the second half. There was nothing. It literally took until the last drive that we finally scored on to where we found it like oh maybe we can do this in this by that time of 28. Nothing is like it's too late. This needed to happen at 14 nothing but we had our plan and it was going to we wasn't working. We and we finally got a call from the ref. We finally hit a deep ball to trade. We're like. All right.

51:44 Well, now this the other plans working you're down. Okay. Force. You down. Yeah, you you're down. You're down 28-nothing at some point. You know, there should have been a change sooner and I get that there was some drops are receivers had some drops. There were some missing Flags, we're not, there were some Miss flag, we're not, we're not saying that there weren't other other things at play here. There are, there were in players have to go out there and execute, but we've talked about habitual execution errors, being a flaw of the of the coaching staff, and we're seeing that again, this this week. And at some point, if you're coaching staff sees that you're having execution flaws in a game, it doesn't do something to try to mitigate some of that that's on them, to its own them.

52:35 And it's on the head man who essentially get the people to start making the changes Ages. We've always discussed situational play calls and that's again in game type stuff. Gained a type stuff. We're what we've harped on it before. But when you keep seeing things and nothing is changing, eventually, it's not. Well the players you said it before Brian, we've said it a lot in the last month, the players necessarily are executing this play. If they're not executing it right, what are you doing behind the scenes? Especially when it keeps happening over and over again. And I think this week situational didn't matter, situational did not matter. I don't know.

53:16 I just much because I mean all the situational play calls are like, alright, well third down, we're going to truck it. Go to the second down, we're going to check it. Although when you sit here and I think I've got a note here, one of them, didn't we go deep on, like a third and five where we had a little momentum. Yeah. Like you know I think it was I want to say was I can't remember who was the drive, just before they went to 14 or just after they went to 14 where we got a kind of a good first couple downs and we're in a manageable situation and we're still trying to Chuck the ball down feel like at some point. Take what the defense has given you and and matriculate the ball a little bit. Like I said, I know they're inviting the Deep ball there but if you're not hitting it figure out something else, second quarter bronze.

54:10 When that was It was a it was, you know, it was we took a shot on like third and five or third and four and it was just one of those like what why? Like if this was a 1414 game sure for take the shot try to maybe you get to catch the safety. Going in the corner, peeking his head and looking for the run, in this case, you're down. Also, your quarterback is trying to find some Rhythm and you're giving him low percentage throws back. Back-to-back-to-back, get that confidence up, Braun. Let's take a deep shot here. One last piece of game day is in. This is ultimately only the head coaches. The other ones are how he's dictating things to his assistant coaches, but those decisions when going for it on fourth down, extra point, versus two points, fakes things like that.

55:10 That is strictly on the head coach, he makes those Calls whether to punt or to go for a long field goal that's all on him. Now I'll say this, I think for when they as far as going for it on fourth down, I think he's better than Frank was because Frank Beamer at the 43-yard line on Third and or on fourth and one it was going to be fine. Yeah, he will. I mean, he's definitely conservative or traditional in terms. Of a 2021 coach, but he is less conservative than Frank was, every was going for two. Nope, I don't care.

55:51 If it's going to get us up three. We're going up to the problem I have with went a is that the decisions don't make sense in the context of the game, not necessarily, whether or not they are conservative or liberal enough in the situation. Yeah. And then it goes back into. Well if it's 4th down, you're going for for it. and especially if you're the back room, that you're an offensive coordinator, Then you have to call the play. You have to call, you know, fourth and three. We're down 14, but we're at the 36, I'm not going to take a field goal. I'm not going to punt it for potentially a net of 10 or 15 yards.

56:34 I'm gonna go for it. Then, what do you call that? What was your play here? Because you have to make the decision, you should be on page with Yosi to say, you know, we're running this play because I think we can get three out of this. for whatever reason, and you know, This is that's actually probably the decisions. Things are probably something, he's done. Okay, home in some but the times where it fails it's just like the worst possible times and you just kind of shake your head. Alright, Braun me. And you were both history majors, man.

57:15 And this is the one that I kind of dug in on today and just started thinking a lot about. And, you know, you think about great generals throughout history that led Lead their respective armories, whether it be u.s. Grant, you know, in the Civil War robbery lie in the Civil War, Eisenhower. They're Lieutenant generals or their underlings, you had to have great ones you know you think about the Civil War? You think about u.s. Grant and how even though he was leading the campaign Sherman's March through the South, you think about Lee. And you think about having Jackson, I wrote my senior thesis on the 1862 campaign in the Shenandoah Valley, Which essentially Jackson was able to keep that Valley from essentially getting torched. Prolonging the war.

58:09 Yep, if you do not have good Lieutenant, generals Most time people fail. In war as an inn in sports, if you do not have good lieutenants. And I make this point, as I ramble about our history background about the last two seasons for Justin Fuente, has been his worst two seasons, whether it be as an offensive coordinator. Or as a head coach because I look at Memphis when he got there. It was an absolute dumpster fire. Yeah. Nick Saban could have walked in there and won the same amount of games.

58:52 But these last two seasons is the first time. He's not really had a lieutenant general with him and I go back Brian, and although he was the lieutenant to Gary Patterson, You always made the point. He had a Colo see, while he was with TCU the open guy been there. Long time, we go down to Memphis. He had Darryl Dickie Darryl Dickie has coach forever their dick. He's like 63 years old. They're all Dickey is literally started coaching 1980s. You come here you'd have buds experience of close to 25 plus years on you know Frank staff. In town, at Murray State in any had Jerry killing 19 every year. He's had someone to essentially bounces ideas off. And now, he doesn't.

59:43 How much do you think? Is that important to you? Go back to, who was Marty's guy like that, that maybe that wasn't, maybe, maybe Marty's age, but just just in football, as long as better experiences, yeah, we had, we had a couple guys are One of our the co offensive line coach is really both offensive line coach has, kind of had had that same type of same type of clout where, you know, he would bounce ideas off of them and really use that lean on their experience in games to kind of make some of those calls in clutch moments there.

1:00:29 Not having a guy that that you can lean on and obviously 20 showing that he needs that type of presence, given his record here. I mean it's showing right? It is, and it is. I mean, it's showing in so many different ways because with those guys, you know, you start looking back where they've coached and stuff, they've experienced big games, they've experienced big moments, even speared, crucial moments and you know leading up having those guys in your ear. We have no associate or assistant head coach, right? Bud, was it? And we did not get one named last year and we did not have one name this year. But is there anybody on staff?

1:01:16 Brian that we can because right now, you know, the staff is sort of compromised with. It's it's his buddies Bill and Brad, and Jafar and shy best. And somebody says, well, shy best, you know, has been coaching a long time since the early 1990s. Yeah. But he's been on the staff of 10 years for Wednesday. That's usually you get to that status. You get buddy, status on, you got younger coaches. And when I say young coaches, you've got like ham and Adam. You know, and then you got newbies like JC and Jack.

1:01:59 And you're not going to put, you know, although JC price has been coaching close to 15 years. Very rarely, will you put someone that's coming in off the street in an associate head? Coach role? Because of the importance of that role. Yeah. So he has an l and then they gave him a pretty high title given that he was coming, you know? Yeah. From out of house, right? So, and he's done well in that role, but I'm with you there doesn't there isn't that type of Mentor type Auction that it seems that Fuente would need to have have the success that he liked to have. And I think the bigger thing, and we're going to talk about a little bit is that there's just a unwillingness to really examine harshly when he looking at looking at the tape and saying, all right, we can do this better, we can do that better, that's fine, but that's that shit. You dear all the time if you need to fully evaluate The staff members and get rid of the ones that are not living up to their billing.

1:03:08 Well and, and, and let's, let's let's talk about first so. So right now, in terms of hiring firing retaining staff, all that right now, we have one unknown factor, right? So that's Jack, Tyler. I mean, he still relatively doing the position early returns. Are looking good. Wow. Yeah. It's not jumping off the tape or anything like that, but the the unit is played better than they did last year and he's done a pretty good job on the recruiting Trail. Yeah, absolutely. He's done a good job. And again, he's unknown, even though he's been here in some type of role for the last 34 years until you get in that spot, you don't know about it.

1:03:53 And there's not enough animal. They all the good. I put four guys in this and we're going to talk about guys who have also Been on the staff before. So when y'all hear some other names don't be surprised what the good have been ham. I think what hands done this year is great, especially after last year what he had to go through Ryan Smith, almost wanted to make a separate category for Ryan Smith, but I didn't Ryan Smith is currently the MVP of he is a of The Hires because he is not Knocked out the park in every phase that he's been asked to contribute.

1:04:35 It he does. Great job coaching the defensive backs, he's doing a great job recruiting and then the other two goods are JC and Bill Jason on the recruiting Trail obviously and then the defensive line overall the defensive line has held this team in games, you know? In the development Barna interval say with barn has not looking at the, he's sometimes the statutes not there. Yeah. But he still garnering the attention, the old become the issue with bar know is is when he no longer garnish the attention, but he still garnering it and a couple weeks was it, the the second play against Notre Dame and that inside the inside spin move?

1:05:20 Not the outside spending. We're used to from people that inside, spend move, put that tackle in a blender. He didn't know what he's doing. They're getting the most out of their guys. They're getting the most. Are they perfect? No, that's why. I kind of joked and said, I'd like to put Smith in his own, but what the returns were getting from defensive line so far great. Yep. So go ahead. I will say, then we got we have another category here that's like guys that are doing okay. You know, Vance Vice, it's been very up and down. It's been up and down, right? We've had a couple good years, a great year and then a couple bad years.

1:06:08 Yeah. And we're in the midst of a bad year and some of that is self-inflicted the okay because because when you have good and bad stack you can't just throw somebody doing bad. Yeah and he's done a pretty good job. On the recruiting Trail. You got coach shy best in this. In this category. I think he does a good job overall with the special teams that that's been probably a standout unit for this team, this year to go along with, with the defense, Adam Lichtenberg. I think he did a good job of managing things last year.

1:06:48 I think so far this year, mixed return there and I think it's hard. It's hard to really give him a great grade. But at the same time, I don't want to knock him because I see what the offensive line isn't getting done. And there's only so much that running backs can negate that and there's only so much that a coach can scheme for that for the running backs in the gate that exactly the last two are guys who are no longer. Longer with the program, but they did. Okay, while they were here in Charlie Wiles, did probably better than, okay, you know, he was defensive line coach when there were steps back towards the end.

1:07:29 But if you look at the full body of work, sure and say well, Brian Mitchell the time. Brian Mitchell was here. He was okay. And they both are continuing to doing a solid job down at NC State. So it's not like those guys left here and couldn't find a D2 job somewhere. They went Another prominent top 35 40 program who are bumping right now? We'll talk about that. Take a little later Brian today. So there are the okay they aren't knocking it out of the park, but they aren't falling flat on their face and that goes to the bad, the falling flat on your face, looking terrible.

1:08:11 And obviously, no, this is from Puentes perspective by the way and take respected. There's a few guys on here. We're putting on here for different reason, and we'll explain why. But the first ones corn after 2016 and that year he has not had anything like it. Close to it in 2017 but it was regression. 2018 regression little uptick in 2019. Little uptick in 2020 and then massive regression this year. Massive aggression in this is absolutely dependent upon having talented skill position players on the field. When he has talented players at the quarterback position to that the skilled positions.

1:09:02 The offense can look, okay. He is not making players better. No, he's not. Whether it's the quite the quarterback position by developing them or whether it's at the play calling position of getting guys into areas where they can make a play. Yeah, absolutely not good at it. And somebody say, well, what about Herbert last year, offensive line last year was dominant and you know what you saw it. Kaleo Herbert did today in the NFL that Kip I wanted tip over 100 trunk yards from scrimmage scored a touchdown. David Montgomery might have a running back mate there for the rest of the season as good as he looked, but that whole piece of there's no development.

1:09:47 You can't hold your room together. You, you know, you continuously overturn, a guy. And then we see a guy in like, hooker, literally go to Josh hyphal and is already looking exponentially better, and he was there spring and fall, and he was under you for what? Five. Yep. Because he came in early one year. He was early in 18 or 17. Anyway, a lot more time to develop in obviously corn, couldn't get anything out of him and he's the bad. If there's someone that if in 2020, or 2019, Franklin Nelson had been fired.

1:10:32 I think if we had a new OC and we had some struggles. You know what, I think part of the fan base would be like, hey, We have to give this guy another year. At least he made the decision to get rid of the bad peace and to try something different. Yes, it's the lack of accountability to guys, that aren't cutting the mustard, especially the offensive guys, I mean, let's move over. We can talk about Jafar, I think I think that's been It just it hasn't been a good overall higher, especially considering who he is, who he was replacing all. Oh yeah, he was also in this category for different reasons, you know, I think Jafar has not made his unit better in the pin the passing game. I think he does a pretty good job of getting them to work within the framework of the offense, in terms of blocking and things like that.

1:11:31 But I don't see you. Year-on-year Improvement at the receiver position that you would think you would see ya from guys, like Trey and Tay for the time that they've been in the system. And that goes back to coaching, and it goes back back to is Jafar getting the job done for them. And if he's not, why are you hanging on to him friends? That's a friend. It's a friend from 15 years ago. So it's someone he has a relationship with but you which hires can Been like that and we get it but you know what? The guy he replacing, let's jump up a little bit. Brian, Wiggins was the guy even after so he comes in for Hodges Phillips, all Just Produce right. All those guys just absolutely produce and then you get 2017 and you had like Sean Savoy, you had can continuing to reduce and you know, it looked like okay this this is kind of this is the guy right here.

1:12:36 We've got the guy that's going to you know be really good. And in 2018 comes and is bad as 2018 was, you know, you sit back and pray Turner's. A freshman. Trey Turner. you know, breakout season 500 plus yards, 20 receptions, you know, Hazleton has a breakout season, and it's like, wow, you know, this is really good and Alabama comes calling and to be very honest, as good as Holloman was especially in 2018 with a transfer from Bowling Green and a true freshman and Trey Turner. In Ryan Willis at quarterback with the way, the rest of the team played, that means should have been made offensive coordinator right there.

1:13:34 He would have got the same freaking pay, he got it Alabama and you would have put him in a better position, you know, to kill two birds with one stone, getting rid of rat. So you hook corn, you put Holmen Wiggins in there and you keep moving. And I'm with that and let while we're here, let's go ahead and pivot to the other side of the ball. And we're going to talk about both both. Safety coaches that for different reasons. Were were short. Were shown the door? Yeah, let's start with Tori and gray. Dildo. The did the disrespect and that situation still has not set well with a lot of folks in former players and things like that.

1:14:19 So fans I mean, It's tough. It's tough. Seeing him doing other things that other schools. Well, going to the pros. Having some success with the Washington football team while he was there. I mean, Just letting a guy like that walk. Come on. You said it when we first started, this thing a couple of years ago, Braun. I'm you said I understand. You want to get your guy paid but you cannot do it at the cost of a guy who has this reputation. He had been at tech for right at 10 years, he had put countless people in the league, he was respected, as, probably one of the best defensive back coach has and he ran, he ran the whole shop.

1:15:07 No here and eby's here and safeties. And, you know, it's his dbe's and safeties played with the chip. They play with a chip. They played mean in the whole piece. Wasn't you know? It's your staff but be smart. If you're keeping this, his salary shouldn't a change. He should have never been asked to take a pay cut, that's all that had to happen. That's all that had to happen. If he don't ask him to take a pay cut and it's in this completely cool. If you would have had him just Watch the corners and let Galen coach the safeties. I think they probably could have worked it out. I think knowing, you know, those guys I think that could have worked out but again it's that whole piece of you.

1:15:55 Let go of this guy. And then we had a struggle and go find Brian Mitchell you know late in the process it shows you kind of it was early on and I'm sure I might have quoted tweeted something favorable towards the new head coach hindsight's 20/20. It's stupid. I don't remember that far back. I'm sorry if you want to dig through my tweets and call me out whatever I that doesn't matter to me I we've all said stupid things and calling Somebody else, just funny. But, yeah, I mean, you know, a bunch of Lies were told in 2016 and 2017, they exactly.

1:16:39 Don't look good. Now, let's go to the last guy though, because his is the most controversial situation Galen, Scott of everybody that went, they brought with him Galen, Scott is on par with Holloman, they looked real deal day. One. Yep, the one, we recruited the way their coaches played. Well there. That's the way they play is play. Play play? Yeah, and Gala was doing a really good job with the recruiting Trail, wasn't it? He was what. But you know it's one of those things O'Brien, you know. It was coming.

1:17:21 It was trashy. Reality though. And he was let go for it. It was one of those things could he have been retained. Yeah, and I think some people would have had an uproar. Other people have been like, yeah, I know when it happened is when it happened. But, you know, I'm sure that was during his personal time on the road trip, I don't condone it. It's coming. It's a crappy thing to do. But it's one of those things you let him go. and, you know, you essentially set numerous things back because reality I think I also you heard Bud talk about him to how about how he felt good about Galen.

1:18:18 Yep it probably would have been a much smoother transition to a new defensive coordinator and I mean everybody's like a lodge. I'll put that on bad, what he did was terrible, he should have been fired. I have a feeling that if you go look at most coaching staffs around the country, what do you think? Brian, you think everybody's choirboys? I'd say that the scenario that played out here has probably happened on at least a third of college campuses in America. It just it is what it is. And you know, when you have it, get put out there the way it was. It definitely makes it a little more salacious. So it is what it is.

1:19:08 But definitely one of those things that It, you know, is another red mark against Flint a. So I mean, now we come to it, man. I mean, we're building the case here and I mean, we built the case last year we built it again. This year, we need to move on. It's time, it's not. And I what I know a lot of people are like right now, right now, right now I'm fine with December and you want to know why? Brian and Trust will million dollars. He's going to do a hell of a lot for the new head coach. Building a recruiting staff, hopefully paying offensive and defensive coordinators at more top, 25 levels. But I'm done into my like, what if he win some games, if you can literally with a straight face, A straight face. Tell us, we're going to win six in a row. We're going to make the ACC Championship. We're going to go nine and three please. DM us.

1:20:06 We will have you on Wednesday night to State your case. Yep. Because I I see a struggling with Syracuse. I see us being a grind against Georgia Tech again. The only game I see on the schedule that I feel comfortable putting the W next to without the game being played as duke. That's it, that's it. And we know you're weak, 60 years into a regime. The head man has to go. I will say this I think there are two to three guys on this staff that the next head coach should fight tooth and nail to keep. Yeah, and you know, the question is going to be obviously I think two of them will be easier or people's Smith and JC price should be ones. That are pretty easy.

1:20:56 E to retain. If you see a spot for them in the new with the new regime regime, obviously the situation with Coach am is a little different just because he is the defensive coordinator. And when you do a break that we're talking about here, it's going to be hard to retain a young defensive coordinator because more than likely that it's not going to be Who the new guy wants to put in that place he might be willing to give him a position role and at that point you get into are able someone going to take a pay cut and a demotion in order to stay with their alma mater.

1:21:41 And that that's a hard task for anybody. Especially with the the product that the defense is putting out this year, I think coach Hamilton's going to have some other opportunities and defensive coordinator, you know, once we move on from the Fuente regime so ugly. So that's going to be the toughest piece because I think JC and Ron are going to stay. I don't, I don't think that's going to even be a question, but the, the handpiece is the tough piece because From where we were last year to where we have. Come this year. It is light years and normally you do not see that. Normally guys who start rough, you normally don't see a guy go from the 100's into the somewhere between about 35 and 25.

1:22:36 Usually you see where he's 100 this year. Now, we're in the 80s and now we're in the 50s. Three years later, it shows you in the adjustment. He makes really good on the Fly and I think that's a sign of a true, great defensive coordinator. So again, y'all, we've given you the arc in this is what I told Brian, and if I get lambasted for, I'll get lambasting for You can do four out of these, you can you can screw up on game day a lot. You can make bad situational calls. You can choose to go for one when you should have went for two.

1:23:18 You can be slow with your adjustments. That's okay. One day on that Saturday night. But the other four, what really makes up how great you can be. Yep, it's true. And and what. And what do we talk? We brought up Frank Brown. and Frank, Sometimes some game days we weren't on Some of the decisions he made. We did not agree with ya. but overall, for Frank Beamer From 1993 roughly to the early part of the 2010s, everything else clicked.

1:24:09 Everything else clue that we let guys go and he needed to let guys go. you know, even though we want him to firestein Spring a lot sooner than he did and then he brought in Laughlin, it may just want Stein spring back but He was slow to let go of friends but he did the other things. Well wear And he was producing for the majority of that time, even when he was loyal to his friends. So, you know, some of that gets a little bit of a pass because you're putting a good product out on the field, you're not seeing the ramifications of it. We didn't start seeing the ramifications of holding onto Stein spring until we started to see a dip in other areas like in recruiting.

1:24:54 Yep. Very true man. Very true. All right, Brian before we close it out here tonight. Saturday Pickens you are going to live again. I'm back in at least, 50 50 and I went to seven and three again. Yeah, come on man, you putting some distance between me now. Hey, you know, and where it's getting words, getting you is in the games we picked against each other one and three versus three in one. You know, we got the Friday night game, right?

1:25:35 Clemson should not be double digit favorite against. Anybody we got the gqv a game right? Even though I don't think I foresaw a 40 Burger to nothing. Yeah I thought I thought Gunner might keep it a little closer than that. Wow! What a slide. You see it? Yeah. Wow, Miami UNC. We both were wrong on Miami showed Signs of Life. Authentically defensively looked worse. You nailed the BC, NC State game, Nailed it.

1:26:16 That's the only one male the, I bet you still nailed it. If you, you know, put some money just on that game. You have won the okey. So Texas game Texas, still not back. Okey, State looking like, potentially Bedlam, could be crazy at the end of next month, because I think okey Scopes got Iowa State left. But Iowa State wasn't what they were last year. BYU Baylor, Baylor wins that one. BYU shows that they were a fraud. Who wants Gus Malzahn to be a head coach here? Anybody Bueller Bueller? No. Absolutely doors. Blown off by Cincinnati Cincinnati. Inching closer and closer towards he say. You never touched him towards the the playoff, the Pick'em game, Utah, beat Arizona State And Tennessee Ole Miss. I'm sure you were hoping for that last drive for something to happen.

1:27:22 By the way. Did you see the lane kiffin? Catch the water bottle? Yeah, I was impressive and it's impressive because I think there were like reporters or somebody behind that if he hadn't caught it, it would have just wiped them clean. And then Kentucky Georgia Braun. We got that one right to almost on a number. We both said something like, what 30. I think I said, 3114. I think you were like, 2810 nail, that one? So, you know, overall record bronze at 35 and 37, I moved to 40 and 32 anything breaking in the last. Oh God, hour.

1:28:08 And 30 minutes, my Braves are Trying to not it up at the 8th year. We'll see you. How this goes exactly with nothing else is broken tonight. Y'all go. Look here. We hope that this helped you get some of your frustrations out of. Definitely help Vin tires out talking about this stuff tonight and I'll wrap up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast. I'm Curtis Wilson, I'm Brian Sigler. Visit our website, boundary corner be t.com to listen to all of our episodes. Go back. Listen to The Liberty episode from last year or the pit episode from last year where we verbally State Fire this man. Yeah it seems like pit for me every year is the pivotal game where I say no more, no mas.

1:29:02 No mas exact Dawn at dawn. No, but I think I'll just tied it. Oh, it's going to be a play at the play. He is safe. Have all game. Yes, sir, while you are there, do not forget to follow us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, subscribe on YouTube, or your favorite Cod castles Unity Spotify, Amazon and apple podcast we let Jason long place in play us out every week. Checking on Spotify, and apple music. We thank you for listening. And as always, let's go. Okay.