Orientation and OFSN 101: Intro to 2020 Recruiting

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The fields for the dirt, we
don't even grow Aspen my more

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than just cleaning shit off
welcome to episode of The

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Boundary form.
My name is Curtis Wilson, along

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with my co-host.
Brian Sigler, hello.

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Hello for.
We kind of dive into everything.

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We're going to kind of do on
this podcast.

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We want to kind of give a little
background of who we are and how

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this show came about me and
Brian grew up together in

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Halifax County Virginia, which
is a little small country County

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down in the southern part of the
state.

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Middle school, high school.
Even college at Longwood

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together and now we both live in
the RV.

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A we're together for a little
while two years ago.

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Long.
Yeah craziness.

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So you know so we've known each
other a long time and about two

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years ago we kind of started
knocking around this idea of

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doing a hokie podcast.
But you know, kind of Life

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happened was both get kids from
moving away from our VA for a

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couple years.
Moving back, jobs adult-themed,

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it sucks.
But now well It's actually going

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to happen.
So we're pretty excited to do

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this and kind of give our view
on autokey football, a long as

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well as the ACC in college
football, kind of as a whole.

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I'm going to go ahead and give
my background is like as a fan

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that I am.
I consider myself a hooky fan of

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really 25 years.
My first vivid memory of

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Virginia Tech.
Football program is 1995.

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New Year's Eve, watching the
sugar bowl with Jim truck, Metal

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bikini, oxendine, bronze, still
in that punt return.

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I get chills thinking about it.
Antonio banks on defense and I

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fell in love with it, you know,
it was a school up the road from

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where I grew up and it was
Virginia players and, you know,

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over the course of last 25
years, having friends go there

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and getting to go to games and
slowly in green and watching

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more and more.
It's, it's Lee, the thing I've

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watch and follow the most of any
sport now.

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Brian, you got even a better
background than me concerning

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football, but you got some
Phantom 2 and I definitely have

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some Phantom in me, too.
I'll start with the fandom.

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I was a hockey fan pretty much
about the same time Curtis

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started 95.
It really took off with the

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magical run to the National
Championship.

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That really kind of took things.
Next level for me, one of the

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most Vivid memories I didn't get
a chance to go to a game that

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you but my high school football
coach as a end-of-year treat to

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us.
I was playing varsity for the

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first time that year and heat
actually took us to a UVA game.

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Ironically, and they were
showing a bunch of The

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highlights from the tech game
and I was kind of trolling some

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of the UVA fans on the hill
there.

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So that was kind of my yesterday
to the Hokie fan love and to the

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robbery with UVA.
So that's kind of where it all

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started with me.
And as far as background of my

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football life, I played football
for from when I was eight till I

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was 21.
And then I did some coaching as

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well.
So little league middle school,

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high school was captain of the
high school team played division

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three football heading to Sydney
offensive, lineman's guards.

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But I did, I did play a little
bit of Center there to in a

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pinch.
Then from there, coach the

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defensive line at Jr.
Tucker for a couple of years in

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Henrico Nieto for and against
still back here in the 80 for

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now.
So that's kind of Kind of my

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background and my history both
with the fandom and and football

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in general.
And some of the credentials that

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I bring to the table.
Yeah, I'll go.

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I'll go from there.
Just saying kind of what we,

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what we want this podcast to be,
and what we don't want it to be.

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The biggest thing don't want it
to be really.

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There's two things you don't
want to be, we don't want it to

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just be a podcast where we cast,
everything that the Hokies do is

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a ray of sunshine, they're going
to be things that are not good.

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Good.
We don't like that would like to

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see improvements on that was
like to move forward on at the

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same time.
I'm not going to yell fire food.

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The first time we have a loss in
the first time, you know, I

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recruit flips on it so we miss
out on a four or five star,

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in-state guys.
So, I'm not going to be that

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guy, but I'm also not gonna be
the guy that's gonna shine.

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Sunshine up your ass every time.
You know, things are rough as

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well.
So that's kind of what we will

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be.
Don't want But we do want to be

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is I think, you know, balancing
the good in the bad, put it in

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perspective for the program and
kind of relate all that to the

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landscape of what they see.
See what college football is in

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general right now and just have
fun with it.

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Taco keys.
Don't include talk some of the,

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the more important games and
just have fun with it.

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I think we also want to bring
our unique points of view to the

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table.
You know, will give you the fan

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perspective.
We're also going to occasionally

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do a little bit of a dive into
action news for some of you

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football, nerds out there.
Well, yeah, and I'm definitely a

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football nerd.
And what you guys are also going

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to hear is this is me and
Brian's conversation almost on a

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daily basis, you know, phone
calls, texts, emails, tweets

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back and forth.
This is who we are.

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You know, don't ever ever look
at our text change.

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Starting On a game day oh my
God, be there for 7 hours

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because it starts early, I'm
saying earlier it does early and

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then I was trying to say Brian
why?

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The Hell, did we just do that on
third down?

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And he gives a reasonable
explanation and I have to stop

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piping for like five minutes but
but let's do a quick.

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Let you go ahead and document
and highlight what we're going

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to be looking at in this
Premiere episode.

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Yeah that would be a good place
to start.

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So first thing we'll focus on is
20/20 roster and recruiting and

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really recruiting in general
looking primarily at the 2020

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class, but kind of filling in
some of Thus, some of the holes

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that will will explain what's
going on with that 2020 class.

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I'm also going to probably
highlight some of those

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potential instant impact guys
that we might be looking at this

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year, even with a small class
and maybe some other freshman to

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watch that made being impacted
the future and since we're on

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that subject, we will talk about
the transfer portal.

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That's kind of the Bugaboo for
everyone right now.

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Not just let us so we will talk
about that.

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How it's impacting college
sports, how it's impacting high

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school recruits?
And also take a look at some of

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the guys we've actually picked
up as as grad transfers and as

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transfers in general for this
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Awesome.
Well, let's start with this.

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The first thing I want to look
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the actual class size of the
Hope, 2020 class has just

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everybody finally signed
yesterday with capturing dahlen

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right out of South Carolina, our
last pick up, but in terms of

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class size, this is maybe one of
the smallest Hokies classes

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since I've been a fans and
recruiting has been at the

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Forefront of me following, we
Only got 15 commits?

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Yeah, yeah.
It's significant really small.

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Literally, we are the smallest
class tied with Boston College

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this year.
You know, and not the most

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impressive class, but it wasn't
like we were out there.

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Just not giving offers front.
I know we discussed.

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There are some guys, we really--
some high-profile parts we

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missed on.
So I know you've done a little

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research.
Were these guys, you looked at

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that we really tried to get but
essentially we swung admit.

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I mean the biggest to are going
to be Chris, Tyree, Thomas Dale,

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the 8004 and then you've got
your Lambert from the 757.

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I mean those were the two big
targets we were looking at in

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state.
I mean really, there wasn't a

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lot of big talent and state this
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We look at it, I mean, four and
five star town and state.

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There's only six, guys.
So we targeted two of those

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swirling Mist, it didn't help
that Penn State was thin at wide

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receiver.
And they've also had since then

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even some, some guys that were
at that position, hit the

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portal.
So that coupled with, you know,

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at the time what was our massive
depth at wide receiver.

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I can see why He thought that
that might be a good way to go

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and Tyree ended up at Notre
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It seemed like that was kind of
where he was heading for a good

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while there.
They took the lead early and

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close the deal for him.
So I think that was to that we

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took a shot at a shot at Tyree.
And I don't think that with what

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happened at Penn State that we
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convince Young I mean I mean are
you seeing these or I mean just

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kind of what you're saying.
I don't think you're saying this

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is an indictment on what we did
recruiting wise and it's two

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more of its situation.
And you know even with the

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losses of the waters, we're
still people live or C4.

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Yeah, we still don't have.
Yeah I think Rudolph is the

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third or fourth, best wide
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The states that we still brought
him in.

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We went out and got you know
Tyree Saunders.

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I like I said I'm going to go
over.

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This a little bit more later
when we talk X's and O's, but

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Tyree Saunders and Alan, right?
So I mean, it's not like we

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didn't do our diligence in that
position, it's just

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circumstantially.
We weren't able to get the best

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gal board in the state and that
happens sometimes.

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Um what I want to look you're
just so everybody so poke Nation

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don't get scared.
This is a small class, it's a

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one-off because what we need to
look at is do some history.

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You know, we take a look at our
last three recruiting classes.

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They've been pretty low.
Large 20 1923 commitments. 2018,

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26 commitments, 2017.
Also 26.

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Commitments, you do the quick
math.

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You know, that's like right at
what 75 recruits.

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So that's a lot of guys already
in it.

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I know some guys have left and
whatnot.

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We were expecting attrition
regardless, just based on those

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three classes.
Exactly.

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For going to make this class by
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Smaller than your average
classes.

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Well yes smaller than your
average five and something I

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want to do we're going to go
into 2019 in a few minutes here

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about actually the productivity
of that class.

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But only just, we're just going
to take a quick look at the

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other two classes.
I just mentioned 2017, this

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year, some of the big
contributors.

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There's a guy named handed
poker.

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Yeah, big contributor.
You had towel on garbage who is

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rotating in that end.
He's a redshirt sophomore

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rotating in a defensive end
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Dan Z and Let It Go Smith.
Really part of building our

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offensive line this year along
with the absolute stud.

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Left tackle, Christian era saw,
they were all part of that 2017

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class along with the man in the
middle, Richard Ashby.

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The guy who was a five-time
linebacker of the week for the

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ACC but doesn't get first team
linebacker.

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You explain that one to me Ron
when I can't

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You're talking about really the
heart of this team.

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In general, she had Dax Holly
food and starting it back or

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Trey Turner, the best wide
receiver.

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We have tamari.
Connor who literally went out

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his sophomore year and took the
nickel spot away from Khalil

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ladler an upperclassman who by
all means had never had played

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fad Alan Tisdale rotating in at
those linebackers positions with

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Richard and Dax and then we take
a look at, you know, Big Stone

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Gap, James Mitchell, What A
Difference Maker he was this

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year, man, is a sophomore and
then Armani Chapman, you know,

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we saw him get burned a few
times but we felt comfortable

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with art money coming in there.
You know, given Jermaine and

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caliph.
Ali breathers.

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Right.
Javon becton.

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Same way and end rotating in
size.

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Good reps.
And then, you know, Luke tenuta

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holding down the right side in
the aforementioned, one of the

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best cover corner is in the
lead.

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Jermaine Wallace was a
sophomore.

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Yeah.
We're Brian just just kind of go

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through a people are mad about
being 85 but then I just need

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primarily red shirt sophomore.
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freshman, has some Thai.
Biggest contributors.

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I mean, I think people are right
to be frustrated with a to

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survive.
I don't think they're right to

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be frustrated, only because
we're a style.

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I mean there are certainly
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people can point to be
frustrated with but I don't

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think recruiting in the talent
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one of them.
I mean, General youth is

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contributing to some of that
inconsistency that we're seeing.

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I think the inconsistency is
what's hurting us most in the

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game is that we'll go out and
we'll have these good runs and

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then we'll make a couple.
Mistakes and those mistakes or

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sometimes backbreakers.
So I think, I mean, as they're

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going to get older, they're
going to be more consistent with

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their play.
They're going to be smarter.

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They'll be able to play fast
while being smart and that's the

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biggest thing.
Is that early in the season?

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When I was seeing some of those
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thinking a lot and playing slow
after do, they weren't doing

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that anymore?
At least not as much.

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And I think that that was a big
switch support.

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I don't know what what food said
or did.

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His in to help with that.
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contributing factor there
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Definitely something changed
inside the program with that.

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Now, I'm going to go here and
now to me, this is as a Ho Chi

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Minh.
This is unacceptable, I class

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ranking this year, we were 70th,
we were literally, I think,

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viewers, ACC team.
Yeah.

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This is all 24/7.
So Cuts who I go to, I respect,

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what those guys do fall, apart
and Simmons.

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He's a little Lee one of the
heads of that really smart guy.

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So this is where you're getting
the rankings info from us, but

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we were 70.
This is not a good look,

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regardless, you know, but I
mean, what do you thing on to

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me?
It's a terrible look.

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It's like, you're one of the
worst recruiting class.

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It's a terrible look.
In the biggest thing is that

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again?
We go back to their swings and

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misses on some of those in
state.

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Guys, if we're, if we're
swinging out and getting

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everything out and getting those
two guys, On top of bring it in

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and out of Brian and a Robert
wouldn't you know, you're not

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talking about the same scenario
because you're probably talking

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about, you know, somewhere
around 1011 in the ACC and given

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the small class size you can
explain away some of that.

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But yeah, I think the biggest
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is that there are some guys that
are going to still show you

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something from this class.
I think the problem is that we

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didn't get Get on some of those
higher name guys we wanted to

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hit and it really hurt us in the
rankings and it really hurt us.

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I think perception wise given
some of the other problems we've

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had both last year, some of this
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And then after school called
this after Taylor Just

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perception-wise, I may be there,
when you're already in your

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feelings a little bit, every
everything matters, and this is

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one of those other things that
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And we said it before to another
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Probably for the low-ranking you
talk about missing on guys, but

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when you have a ton of
sophomores freshman occupying

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starting positions, primary
contributor positions really

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tough to go up and walk to a guy
and promising things.

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When, you know, he can see the
writing on the wall to say, hey

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man, you know you know I'm an
inside linebacker.

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Oh great.
We'd love to have you.

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You're probably not starting
for.

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Three years just because of how
deeply are that position.

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And and and before we had the
departure from painting and

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Haze, I think you either is say
the same thing at wide receiver,

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which I think is what scared
scared Lambert away especially

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since Penn State was having the
opposite problem.

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Yeah, you know, I haven't got
word playing that weren't up

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stuff and having very, very thin
guys behind them so that

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definitely contributes to him
going going up.

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Up to Happy Valley there.
So, Exactly, we're gonna move

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on.
Just so you guys know, I don't

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think this is what we're going
to see from this programs.

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Going forward, 29:20 21, excuse
me.

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He's already looking like,
potentially potentially the best

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recruiting.
Potentially the best recruiting

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class in program history.
You know, the Morris Davis out

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of Texas already committing top
quarterback in the country, but

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I just want everybody calm down.
Down and saw 70.

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Just remember, 2019, we were the
26th strength program recruiting

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laws in the country. 2018, 2420
1726.

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I know that's probably not where
we all want to be.

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We probably would like to see
top ten classes but understand

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that we weren't in a transition
process and I think people are

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not giving that due diligence of
the transition process we were

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in, we were going from a legend
who went out on good terms and

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we had ahead Coach come in and
his people want to.

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If you want to light up through,
that's fine for what he does

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wrong.
The one thing he never did is he

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never tried to trounce Frank
Beamer's, Legacy.

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He never has if anything, he's
added onto it with the 25, the

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one in some of the other stuff
he's done.

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Even with Bud being there.
He respected that and maybe

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that's why it's taken a few
Cycles to get his vision because

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he did have such respect.
And I'm hoping that we start

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seeing some of that vision and
that payoff, especially this

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season, I feel like with the
amount of talent we have in

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coming back and again as you
highlighted, 26, 24 26 rankings

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from balances from those who
have the ability have the

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experience to really do some big
things for us.

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Yes.
So I'm hoping that you know, we

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put all those pieces together
this year and and we can turn

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things around a little bit more.
I mean 85 that's what I expected

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out of the gate after Duke I was
expecting worse.

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After the turn around, I was
expecting better.

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You know, UVA things the bowl
games things.

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I know Booter Dame sting.
Yeah it was there and we let

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them off the hook as As I boy,
screams didn't grease.

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Oh yeah, I think I think the
biggest thing is, you know, but

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let's let's not just build on
last year.

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Let's go out and kick some ass
and show them what the Hokies

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are all about.
I think that's what we need to

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do.
I'll do it with you.

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All right, we're gonna move on
next sort of the next.

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You know, this wasn't a big
senior class like six guys,

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graduated and really of the guys
leaving senior wise, really

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Reggie.
Floyd was our biggest

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contributor.
I'm going to put this Sean

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mcleese in there.
The Shawn could have came back

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for one more year eligibility
and technically was a senior and

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I think he's doing the right
thing, he needs to take a shot

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just you know, The way that our
system runs, but the one guy

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that kind of shocked everybody,
I'll even was Dalton King.

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Now Brian, I'm going to run
through this, each of them and

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their potential Replacements.
What I want you to do is where

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you feel most comfortable with,
you know your football knowledge

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there and where you don't feel
comfortable, you know losing

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Reggie Floyd's stuff.
But Kevin and we saw him play.

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Sometimes at that at that Rover
position and my eyes.

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The telling me he looks better
than Reggie.

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Love you Reggie but that's just
4 miles was telling me, you

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know, daltin Keen leave.
And we have a couple guys.

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You have Drake Dallas who have
higher rated player coming out

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during recruiting class against
Dalton, you have Gallo had

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significant playing time last
year James Mitchell at that

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position.
Then mcleese leaving you kind of

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looking at a combo of Keshawn
King who pop several times last

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year.
Force and they can transfer from

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Kansas Herbert.
Give me your ranking around

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where you feel most comfortable,
where you're kind of feeling

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shaky as we move on to next
season's.

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All right, so most comfortable,
I'm definitely feeling feeling,

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Devon hunter in there.
Instead of Reggie Floyd, I think

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the biggest thing he's gonna
need is those consistent game

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reps against one's?
He'll finally get that.

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Just this offseason Spring and
also with with fall Camp.

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So I think that's going to be
big for him in his development

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just because the bit the only
thing he doesn't have means that

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all the tools he just doesn't
have a ton a ton of game reps or

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get or at least reps against the
ones.

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So I think I'm getting a lot of
that is going to be the

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determining factor of how well
he does this year.

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But potential lies.
I mean I think you could

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definitely definitely be better
than what we saw from Reggie

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last year so we'll see how that
goes.

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I'd say number two I'm real I'm
really tall stuff here.

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I think we're going to be okay
at tight end and I'll say the

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biggest thing is that, you know,
we've got Mitchell has kind of a

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joker, hes on diesel, do it all.
He's gonna line up in line, he's

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in a split out, he can do those
things.

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So even take that the good old
Jet Sweep hear from you.

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So, I mean, there's there's so
much that he can do with his

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talent and his athletic ability
that is going.

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To be hard for anyone and I'm
hoping that we'll see Drake, and

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Nick take up some of the other
roles that Cain has some of the,

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some of the screen game things.
A lot of the blocky roles from

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the HVAC position.
Some of the in line blocking.

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If they can fill some of that
void, we won't miss his output,

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will just fix the fact that we
had one guy that can do all

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those things, a
jack-of-all-trades?

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Yeah, I didn't positions.
So I think that's that's what

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we'll end up missing the first,
but I think by committee, we can

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end up getting all that
production back.

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Running back is the biggest
question for me.

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I don't feel bad about it but
I'm not sure how to feel about

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it.
I think King with full offseason

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getting some extra size on them,
you know, full offseason.

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The weight room full of season.
Practicing, I think that's going

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to be big for him and I think
you're gonna see a big

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Improvement in him and if he can
Replace most of the cleese's

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production and then you got
Herbert coming in with kind of

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one, cut bull back, that can get
some the open field.

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He's going to using the new some
blue, some nice things.

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And then there's also, you know,
we haven't talked about

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transfers yet, but when we talk
about Blackshear coming in,

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being able to line up at running
back into the lineup at at the

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slot position, being a to do
those jet sweeps, get involved

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in the screen game, get involved
in the pot, pass game.

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I mean there's there's a lot of
things that we can do with that.

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So I'm hoping that between those
three guys along with some of

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the other guys in the depth,
like Holston that we're going to

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be okay.
Okay, that that position.

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But that's the one.
That's the biggest question,

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mark, just because I don't know
what Herbert's going to look

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like in the system.
I don't know what black she is

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going to look like in the
system.

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The only person I really seen.
It's going to be have

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significant carries as king, and
I'm hoping that an offseason is

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gonna take what he did is
freshman year, really, really

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blow it up.
Nice.

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You know, earlier we were
discussing the 2019 class and

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only go back to that because I
2019, Is there some guys there

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that to me?
If we don't recruit these guys,

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I don't think we're in five last
year.

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I honestly don't and I just kind
of wrote down the names here and

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kind of how many games they
played.

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I want everybody to remember
every single person on here with

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the exception of the Sean
Crawford and we're true

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freshman.
I'm going to say that again.

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True freshman.
They came straight in and

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started playing the first is
being Tyrion lineman Doug Nestor

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the played 11 games, the only
games he missed 4 BC in the

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bowl, we had the discussion on
the bowl game afterwards,

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basically blind, they said they
were done.

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They were tired.
And you know what?

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The bowl game, we're playing for
a national championship.

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Nope, then put these guys rest
the same with Brian Hudson

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started Center 11 games, kavion
Robinson, kind of came in as a

449
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,800
true freshman and sort of stool
Hezekiah.

450
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Grimsley's rolled not only at
the Lat.

451
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,900
But later on in the season as a
punt, returner and but he only

452
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,500
play, he only did punt returns
for five games, he was averaging

453
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,100
14 yards on Turk and that's all
you'll get better.

454
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,700
You don't talk about this way.
That's only gonna get better

455
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:35,100
with rest.
Heck, yeah, man Gallo, we saw

456
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,100
him in there on special teams
and some run blocking place.

457
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:39,800
I think that's going to help you
mentioned.

458
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000
It makes going to help with his
development.

459
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,600
The two big kids from Florida,
polity Kendrick, they played all

460
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
13 games on the interior.
And No.

461
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,200
By all means they didn't have a
billion package for lost but

462
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,600
they look like they can play at
this level and I think them

463
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,200
against get in.
The weight room is your mention

464
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,700
to get in the weight room
getting technique.

465
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:07,700
Remember, we got a new defensive
line coach, two of them to be

466
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:10,400
exact, I think they're going to
grow.

467
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,900
And then crop the Juco transfer
who played in 11 games I think

468
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,600
for him.
Yes, he was a Juco but I think

469
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,800
him coming in and me.
Italy with those two guys from

470
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,100
Florida.
I feel more stabilized at the

471
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:26,000
defensive tackle position then I
did last year going in.

472
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,500
But I mean, let's just think
about that.

473
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,300
How big a role each of those
guys played and they were

474
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,700
recruited last year, some of the
guys, like Nestor we flipped

475
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:37,800
from Ohio State.
He was a top hundred guy.

476
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,800
Hudson was another hiring guy,
and then we found the Diamonds

477
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,400
in the Rough.
So at 20 and I think there's

478
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,000
some people in that 2019 Class B
might have caused some of those

479
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,100
transfers.
I marry the guy from the r-va of

480
00:28:51,108 --> 00:28:54,000
je Tai, o, if I pronounce the
name wrong, I apologize.

481
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:59,000
I've got was highly rated in the
stud he didn't play at all last

482
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600
year.
Hey I think primarily converting

483
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,600
from quarterback to wide
receiver but we didn't see him

484
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,500
on the field yet with that
electrifying speed that we know

485
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:09,400
is legit.
Oh yeah.

486
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,200
I mean and I really even if I
remember back to fall Camp I

487
00:29:14,208 --> 00:29:15,700
mean they knew he was going to
Redshirt.

488
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,200
Everyone was raving about what
he was doing in Fall Camp.

489
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,200
So yeah I think you're going to
see a lot of lot more from him

490
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,900
this year.
So I'm really excited to see

491
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,400
that knowing that he's going to
be in some role, takes a little,

492
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,000
The Sting of because the Ping
zhi.

493
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,900
It got him, the transfer portal
there.

494
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:40,600
So you like for the big hope, is
that yeah, Jaden is.

495
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:44,600
As advertised and we get some
big plays out of them this year.

496
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,900
Oh yeah, I agree with that.
All right, um, next thing we're

497
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:55,700
going to hit up on guys is Brian
went through and did a little

498
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:01,400
little digging and a little
video reviewing of some players

499
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,400
here.
So what I'm going to do is I'm

500
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,100
going to kind of lay them out
who we got, he's going to talk

501
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:10,500
about front of all means, tell
them where you're looking at

502
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:15,700
these highlights from, you know,
if it's like a 24/7 or arrivals.

503
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:20,900
So, so for you guys in the
public out there, listen to what

504
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:22,500
bronze talking about.
Go see these tapes.

505
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,900
So again, helps you correlate to
why he's feeling the way he's

506
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,700
feeling, right?
If you're ready, I'm going to

507
00:30:27,708 --> 00:30:31,400
start the top-rated guy in our
class.

508
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,000
Alec Bryant, we decide defensive
in the number 17 weeks.

509
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,700
I defensive end in the country
out of Shadow Creek, High School

510
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,000
in Houston Texas what you see on
her face.

511
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,700
So Ali Brian I was checking out
24/7 links to The Huddle

512
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,100
highlights for this for this man
and this young man and the

513
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,200
biggest thing I'm seeing this
guy has some great get off.

514
00:30:55,300 --> 00:31:00,700
This guy gets off the line snaps
as good as I've seen he shoots

515
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,000
his hands and that's something
you don't see from players.

516
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,900
A lot of players at the high
school level is being good with

517
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,600
their hands especially at the
snap.

518
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,800
Does that?
Well, the other thing he does.

519
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Well, she's great at finding the
played with his eyes.

520
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,700
So he gets his hands on the
phone, the linemen and finds

521
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:22,500
where the ball is going.
And is really good at diagnosing

522
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,800
that awesome motor.
He's always working to the ball.

523
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Even when he's being blocked,
even when he's fully engaged,

524
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:36,300
biggest thing that's a criticism
of him right now would be when

525
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,000
he is getting slightly is fully
engaged.

526
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,100
Sometimes he had trouble
shedding the block, but he's

527
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,700
always working towards the
balls.

528
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,000
Me, that's the biggest thing I
like about him is that he's

529
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,500
always working towards the ball,
he's not giving up on the play.

530
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,900
He's always at the ball at with
the tackles made, even if it's

531
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,500
down the field.
I mean, I can't I can't say

532
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,600
enough about this guy.
I really like what I'm seeing.

533
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,100
I'm taping them.
I got you, Brian, do you see day

534
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:02,500
one contributor?
You think he's going to have

535
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,100
some packaged and I think you
better.

536
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:09,200
He's actually one right now that
I would say with great certainty

537
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,600
is probably not going to read.
Sure.

538
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,800
I think there's at least going
to be a package for him on pass

539
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,800
rush Downs or on Downs.
Where we're going with a mixed

540
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800
front than we.
Normally would getting him in

541
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,400
there.
Because actually I've seen him

542
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,400
lineup as far inside is a three
technique on certain places just

543
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,900
to Increase the pass rush
ability.

544
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,600
So I'm he's got enough size even
as a as a true freshman to go

545
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,100
inside and line up on that, so I
think you're definitely going to

546
00:32:40,108 --> 00:32:43,600
see him do some stuff like that.
Working in some packages this

547
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,900
year.
Hey Brian!

548
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,400
Do this for the audience anyway
because you're talking three

549
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
technique, five technique kind
of give the number and kind of

550
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,700
where they are.
So, when you say these things,

551
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,100
folks will know exactly where
they're talking about.

552
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,200
So, you just said, three
technique.

553
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,300
Where's the 303 technique is
lining up outside of the of the

554
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,600
Guard, so the outside of the
card.

555
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,700
So generally you're going to be
a five or seven as a defensive

556
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,300
end.
Sometimes a nine if you're doing

557
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:15,200
no more wide 9 technique 5 is
going to be outside.

558
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,700
Hi of a tackle 7 is going to be
outside of the Titan if there is

559
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:23,200
one on that side and then I'm
just going to be essentially a

560
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,600
man whiter of whatever the
inline guy is on that side,

561
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:29,800
depending on what the alignment
is.

562
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:34,500
But like I said, this, this guy
Casey lined up in a three

563
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:36,500
technique.
So he's lined up inside.

564
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Two interior lineman versus on
the edge of one.

565
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:45,100
So usually you need a little bit
more size to do that.

566
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:51,600
But even with with is I think
he's 62, 63 64 to 35 to 40 as a

567
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:54,900
as a high school.
He's able to get in there and

568
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,900
make that work.
So that that's something that's

569
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:00,100
impressive.
And like I said, that

570
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,900
versatility will come in and
play for us, I believe.

571
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,900
All right.
Now, Next we've got here.

572
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:10,300
You want to discuss those Tyree
Saunders.

573
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,699
Tyree wide receiver. 124's is
ranked First Coast, High School

574
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:20,300
down in Jacksonville, Florida.
So keeping that connection going

575
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,600
with our recruiting down there.
What you see on, Tyrese take.

576
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,400
All right, so Tyree Tyree is
really good at beating press at

577
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,300
the line of scrimmage.
I don't know what that's going

578
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,100
to look like when he goes
against bigger physical Corners

579
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,600
because most high school Corners
are Dragon physical especially

580
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,000
ones, you're going to see on the
highlight tape on Hubble that

581
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,900
being said, I didn't see him get
jammed.

582
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,400
I didn't see him.
Get thrown off his route line.

583
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,500
Now, what he did do a lot of is
that he was running A lot of go

584
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,100
routes in the highlight tape.
So I think he's going to be a

585
00:34:57,107 --> 00:34:59,900
deep threat.
I don't know what his route tree

586
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:03,400
really looks real look like
because he only ran about three

587
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,200
routes on the highlight tape.
That weren't go routes or skinny

588
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,500
post, I think he's gonna be a
guy that can take the top off of

589
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,300
a defense though.
He did show he was a willing

590
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,700
blocker.
Also I'm running plays more

591
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:21,800
couple strings and he did have a
couple screens himself that he

592
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,300
took to the house on the
highlight tape.

593
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,900
So I think he's will be
overworking the screen game, but

594
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:28,800
I don't know if he's gonna be
that guy that you're sending

595
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,100
over the middle.
That's going to be able to make

596
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,400
a route adjustment in the zone
or anything like that.

597
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,300
I don't know what that looks
like yet, but he can definitely

598
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:41,400
take the top off of a defense.
All right, one thing I like in,

599
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,500
you know, I like hearing these
things about Tyree.

600
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,400
Another thing Tyree was one of
the real vocal guys getting

601
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,100
recruited very positive towards
Virginia taking, and you need

602
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:54,700
those guys in classes.
And also, I see that and I think

603
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:59,800
attitude and I hear you telling
me he likes to block, okay, sure

604
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:02,700
from, you know, from coaching
and from playing, if there's a

605
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,000
wide receiver will in the block
to get on the field, a little

606
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,500
bit quicker than the guys who
don't like that sort of stuff.

607
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:10,100
Lutely.
Absolutely right.

608
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,700
If you can set them all up in
your direction and you like the

609
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,600
block, you'll probably get some
playing time.

610
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,500
Even if you're not outrunning
everybody out there and he's

611
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:25,200
doing that too awesome.
Alright next down to look at his

612
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,900
wide receiver. 163 about 24/7
Hakeem Rudolph.

613
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,500
Virginia Beach Virginia Green
Run, High School, big 64 guy.

614
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,400
Would you see on him?
All right, three words, Red Zone

615
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,900
threat.
So we shouldn't worry about

616
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,100
hazel, the not even coming in.
I don't know if he's gonna have

617
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,400
an immediate impact this year
but he kissed the potential to

618
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,500
just because he high points the
ball, well catches the ball with

619
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,400
his hands.
The other thing I saw in this is

620
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,700
important when talking about the
Hazelden thing is that he does a

621
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,600
good job of throttling and
settling in when running through

622
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Zone coverage like on Slants
digs things like that.

623
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,100
So yeah I think that's going to
be the biggest contribution from

624
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,200
for Rudolph.
Is those over the middle routes?

625
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:15,500
And also, like I said, Red Zone,
threat being able to go to the

626
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:20,600
go to the corner, run the Fades
runs back line, all those things

627
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,200
are going to be what you see,
looking Rudolph do either this

628
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,100
year or sometime next year
because he's gonna fight for

629
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,000
that.
Type of role, pretty, pretty

630
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
immediately.
He's going to take some of the

631
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,300
things that Hazleton did and
some of the things that we saw

632
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Phil Patterson view on a, you
know, on a breather role when he

633
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,900
came in.
To relieve some of the other

634
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,300
guys.
Nice.

635
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,400
All right, we got a couple more
guys.

636
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Were going to hit up here before
we move on to the discussing a

637
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,100
little bit about our transfer
portal.

638
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,100
Another guy Robert wooden
defensive end ranked 27th out of

639
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:57,500
Stanford, high school and
Stafford.

640
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,700
Texas Tech sweetie.
I think it's real.

641
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,500
What did you see on gluten here.
So the biggest thing with him is

642
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:09,100
that he's got a motor that does
not quit.

643
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,700
He comes at you relentlessly,
not as good.

644
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,700
Good.
Get off as Brian, not quite as

645
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,400
good with his hands right off
the bat as Brian.

646
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,400
But what, what you do, what he
doesn't do?

647
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,900
Their he makes up for in motor
man.

648
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:27,100
He's always working working to
get back to the quarterback.

649
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,900
Really good.
Presence of knowing pocket

650
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,900
depth.
With so he's not some guy that's

651
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,000
going to try to Edge rush you to
death and then all of a sudden

652
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,500
you know he's out of the play
because the tackle random

653
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,400
upfield.
He understands he understands

654
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,400
where the quarterback is when
the start working back inside

655
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
staying his past rush Lane so
that I mean that's important

656
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,700
stuff too.
So we don't end up having guys

657
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:56,300
running 30 or 40 yards for a
touchdown from the quarterback

658
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:58,400
position.
I don't know when we've seen

659
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,500
that before.
You be a bowl game, what?

660
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,400
And like, every time this year,
you felt like they were going

661
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,200
back, scrambling and yards type
of he's discipline at the

662
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,100
position.
So he's not someone that's gonna

663
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,700
allow a lot.
Has at least not from, from not

664
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,300
on his terms.
So that's what I like about him.

665
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:23,000
The best is that, that that pass
pass rush Lane discipline.

666
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
We're going to round out here
the defensive players and it's

667
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,800
another defensive end, Justin
Beetle, Sandy Creek, High

668
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,200
School, out of Tyrone.
Georgia number 52, ranked

669
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,300
defensive end.
So kind of seeing folks out

670
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,800
here, we a strategy this year,
we're loading up on defensive

671
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,700
end, you know, three guys in the
top 60s, now, it's not terrible.

672
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:52,900
What did you see on the biggest
height-wise of these guys

673
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,600
Betelnut long and he uses that
leverage in the past rushing,

674
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,400
use that leverage in the Run
game.

675
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
He's another one that uses his
hands.

676
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,900
Well, that's good because when
he gets his hands on someone,

677
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,300
that separation is important.
Now it's not a lot in the in the

678
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,200
Run game with him, being able to
get keep that defensive tackle,

679
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,700
these offensive tackle away from
him so he could easily separate

680
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:21,700
make a play in The Run game.
And it's also helpful in, in the

681
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,700
past rush when he works at it,
when we works the risk, when

682
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,400
he's got a pretty good, rip rip
move to the inside.

683
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,800
When he works that it, it comes
to fruition.

684
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,700
He's got that good leverage.
He could stand to stay lower

685
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,400
coming out of his coming off,
the snap just because of his

686
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,800
height that's always going to
work against him to some degree.

687
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,800
But link is going to be good in
some cases because I mean this

688
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:54,200
is We're in a team's running a
lot more quick passing game.

689
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:59,000
This guy be I get his hands up.
Get ya contact the ball redirect

690
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,800
the balls?
I mean those are those really

691
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,400
big things when you're talking
about some of the offenses were

692
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,200
playing.
Now, do a quick comparison here

693
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,900
because you said something about
beagles using his arms getting

694
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,800
down to the ball.
Are you saying as far as it goes

695
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,900
because of that length?
He's better shedding block.

696
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,300
Ox, he's not might be good.
As overall is Alec Bryant, but

697
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,200
as far as shedding blocks,
getting down to the ball without

698
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,600
being engaged.
You can you see that as like,

699
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,200
there's one thing he's better.
Yeah, I mean, I would say, I

700
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
would say that that's been some
way a little bit more weight on

701
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,600
him and that'll even get better
because he'll be able to use

702
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,200
that power along with that
leverage.

703
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,700
But yeah, right now, because of
the way way he does use his

704
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,900
hands and the way he has that,
that just a treat, right?

705
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,200
Look at with that link.
I mean, he's able to separate a

706
00:41:51,207 --> 00:41:54,200
little bit better once he once
he finds where the balls going

707
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,300
in the Run game.
Nice.

708
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,600
All right.
One last player here in this is

709
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,600
a really interesting one that
when you sent me over you wanted

710
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,900
to talk about especially How
deep the running back room is.

711
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,500
But you wanted to do a little
break down, a Jalen Hampton at a

712
00:42:10,508 --> 00:42:15,000
Georgetown prep up in Rockville.
Maryland 69 ranked running back

713
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,300
for 24/7.
What did you see on his tape?

714
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,600
That, you know, we've already
got a room full of running

715
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,300
backs.
What's made him look different

716
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:27,200
to where you feel maybe not this
year but Sometime in the near

717
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,600
future.
He might be one of those go-to

718
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,300
guys.
I think the biggest thing is

719
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,600
kind of his one cut homerun
potential.

720
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,500
I mean, we got we got some of
that we staying but I feel like

721
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:42,800
you've been even even with King.
This guy's going to be someone

722
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,500
that just with his Breakaway
speed but also a little bit more

723
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,500
size and power coming in.
Could really fill that role for

724
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:55,600
us especially if we're not going
to have Herbert for 23 years.

725
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,700
I think put on that.
Harbert.

726
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,800
Not a pervert is amazing.
Okay, he's the ground.

727
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,300
I mean we're not going to have
him for the next street.

728
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,900
Oh I got what you're saying.
What happened in this year but

729
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,500
he ain't unless there's some
weird rule that's coming out

730
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,000
that we can continue to.
Hold on.

731
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,500
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.

732
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:16,400
Yeah.
You're saying this might be

733
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,400
might have a similar type role
that Herbert's going to fill

734
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,100
immediately in the long term.
And another guy be I would like

735
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,700
To probably just pivot a little
bit that we kind of got.

736
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:32,800
Leave the process here.
That one right the wide

737
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,600
receivers.
I don't know if you've got that

738
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,300
on your list and talk about but
I don't.

739
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:46,700
But I know, you know, 61 out of,
I salute of South Korea, sir,

740
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:54,000
you know, insane stat line this
year, eighty seven catches,

741
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,100
1,500 yards, 20, Touchdowns and
I was listening to.

742
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,500
So in today's press conference a
little earlier today and

743
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:05,400
basically it's really late in
the process because he was kind

744
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,000
of focused on basketball and
literally kind of focused on

745
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,200
football this year and guess
what literally helped lead his

746
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,400
team to a State title done in
South Carolina which is a very

747
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,200
good high school football state.
But one of those things coach

748
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,200
when they talked about and it's
probably why we're not

749
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,900
discussing it here is because of
now The early signing period

750
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,600
guys like him in their senior
years.

751
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,900
Don't get looked at it much so
productivity standpoint, you

752
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:41,700
know, if he comes in and has you
know, half of what he did in his

753
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,100
senior year of high school, just
in this career here, that would

754
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:49,300
be a win for us as the Hokies.
But what did you see that?

755
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,800
Popped maybe even more bright.
The biggest thing.

756
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,700
I mean, I looked, I looked at
the tape there on huddle.

757
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,800
This guy's senior tape is Is
some of the best I've seen in a

758
00:44:57,808 --> 00:45:01,600
bid.
So biggest things he's got great

759
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,100
vision with the ball in his
hands.

760
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,000
He has what I call game
quickness.

761
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800
So he's not necessarily like
Tyree that's going to just blow

762
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:16,600
by you but when he gets the ball
he's fast and he can move he's

763
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,600
great at making the big play.
Once he has the ball, he's got

764
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,200
good Vision but he also can
breaks some tackles The biggest

765
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,300
thing I saw this going to help
in this, this is going to

766
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:31,200
increase his day.
One potential is that he's

767
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,300
successful running.
Pretty much the entire route

768
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,300
tree.
Everything I saw was pretty much

769
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,400
everything from the route Tree
on his highlight tape.

770
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,600
Oh, wow.
The only thing I would criticize

771
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,900
him on based on that, is that he
could be a little sharper coming

772
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:48,100
out of his brakes.
Sometimes he would round them

773
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:49,500
off.
Sometimes you come out of them a

774
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:53,300
little high.
But other than that I mean that

775
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,900
you use them a lot out of the
backfield quick toss has as yet

776
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,600
speak.
I mean this guy is somebody that

777
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,800
I think is potentially come in
and make an immediate impact

778
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,200
especially with some of the
positions that we're going to

779
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,900
have have to fill now that we've
had since the purchase Awesome.

780
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,900
All right well what we're going
to be doing next here guys is

781
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,200
we're going to actually talk
about these departures and a

782
00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:19,800
couple of guys we got back.
We talked about Herbert a couple

783
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,100
times already, but we're going
to go a little bit more in

784
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,800
depth, all right.
So right now, you know, looking

785
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:32,000
at the portal for Virginia Tech.
We have a total of 12 guys

786
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
currently in the portal.
And what I'm going to do is just

787
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,400
run by name and position and
we're going to we got a few

788
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,900
things to discuss.
Here, back and forth but let's

789
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:45,100
start running back.
We got Caleb.

790
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:49,500
Stewart is in the portal
currently wide receiver, which

791
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:54,200
was once a position of depth not
as much anymore with Jacoby

792
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Pinckney diwan.
Ellis, guys, don't remember,

793
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Ellis was in the portal
significantly earlier this year.

794
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:07,900
Phil, Patterson has he Grimsley?
Damon Hazelton offensive line.

795
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:13,600
We're looking at John Harris,
Joe Kane louima Hoda defensive

796
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:20,000
line, Robert portrait of fourth
house, gains Nathan Proctor and

797
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,300
then the secondary, the nickel
we have Khalil ladler now of

798
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:30,100
these guys, we've already got
six guys who have committed to

799
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,100
other schools.
So, you know, they're not coming

800
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,000
back heard, you're going to a
press conference and it was a

801
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,000
big deal about that a lot of it
loves it.

802
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,200
Guys were actually they've been
in the portal for a while.

803
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,400
So they what they kind of either
started the year, the portal or

804
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,800
enter the portal during the
season after the first four

805
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:55,500
games or so we've had what maybe
what 545 in the last month or so

806
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:59,500
since since the bowl game but
most of those guys are already

807
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:05,200
in there at the either before
the season started or just as as

808
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,600
things are wrapping up for that
four-game stent to start the

809
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,100
year.
Yeah, and sort of thing started

810
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:15,000
shaking out when those guys kind
of knew you know, you know the

811
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,400
depth chart I'm getting further
and further down the death of I

812
00:48:17,408 --> 00:48:19,200
want to play.
I'm going to have to make a move

813
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,500
but let's just look real quick
where they're going.

814
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,700
Just so again, landscape, where
these guys are going porcher is

815
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:31,100
going over to North Carolina,
A&T the Hoda, going up to st.

816
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:36,500
Francis of Pennsylvania.
Joe canes heading back to Ilan.

817
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:43,600
John Is going down to Mercer in
the two big ones is Ellis is

818
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,800
heading up to Maryland
essentially where he's from and

819
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,700
then Hazleton is going out to
Mizzou, right?

820
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:53,300
I'm gonna throw it to you here
of all the names, not just the

821
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,900
guys who have made the
transition to other schools.

822
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:59,700
But of all these names which one
sort of kind of caught you off

823
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:01,800
guard.
The biggest one that caught me

824
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,900
off, guard was Jacobi pygmy
entering in the the portal their

825
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,800
biggest reason for that is that
That, you know, with Hazleton,

826
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,400
seemingly moving on to a system
where he can get more targets as

827
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,400
he tries to make a push for a
NFL gig.

828
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:23,200
It seemed like that was going to
be kind of the same role that,

829
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,100
that ping.
Me could step into and maybe,

830
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:29,600
you know, take a, take a roll
right away this season.

831
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,900
The Red Zone thread kind of
bigger Target.

832
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,000
I thought that might be
something that he can do pretty

833
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,900
well right out the gate, and
with him.

834
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,900
Yeah, leaving us now.
I think that kind of leaves a

835
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:45,500
little bit of, I wouldn't say a
whole but definitely some

836
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:51,700
uncertainty at at filling, some
of the stat sheet areas that

837
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,600
Damon Hazleton field.
So that would be my biggest

838
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,900
concern of those guys.
Look, most of the other guys

839
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:00,200
were either already supplanted
on the depth chart over.

840
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,000
Far down the depth chart.
They were you know, they were

841
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,800
death guys.
They weren't guys that were

842
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,700
given us a lot of game day reps.
So the ones that hurt her

843
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:12,800
either, the guys that we
expected to give us those

844
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,400
Gameday reps this year, or guys
that were already doing that,

845
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,500
like, like Hazleton that were
departing.

846
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,000
So, yeah, definitely, definitely
pick these.

847
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,500
The one picking was a pretty big
pickup Flash in last year's

848
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:29,400
recruiting class cycle.
He was a number three player in

849
00:50:29,408 --> 00:50:31,500
the state of South Carolina for
24/7.

850
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,100
Use a four-star guys.
So it's one of those things

851
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:39,000
where we saw him, he, redshirted
this year, okay, this makes

852
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,700
Since when Hazleton when that
was announced a few Fridays ago

853
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,300
was like, oh man, this is good
for Pinckney.

854
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,900
Pinckney's going to probably get
a lot more reps and then he puts

855
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:50,000
his name in, you know we don't
know what's going on behind the

856
00:50:50,008 --> 00:50:53,100
scenes with all these guys with
the discussions.

857
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,800
They're having not only with the
coaching staff but with their

858
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,800
own families in definitely
projecting.

859
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,500
You know, for NFL guys, if you
want to make the NFL, you can

860
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,200
have be six foot four, 220
pounds and run a four, seven,

861
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,000
four, four six, guess what?
The NFL wants.

862
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,400
They want to see it you know,
game day.

863
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,900
Yeah.
And if you were buried on depth

864
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:15,900
chart, you're not going to get
there.

865
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,500
What?
I did run I want to, I want to

866
00:51:19,508 --> 00:51:22,100
get your take on this as I kind
of wrote down the three guys.

867
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:28,400
I think that we're going to miss
the most because of kind of what

868
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,900
we're doing.
I put three is Hezekiah Grimsley

869
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Grimsley and ran that slight
roll.

870
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,300
Until Tavian Robinson took it
over.

871
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:39,800
He was a all in all good
teammate.

872
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:46,500
Guy, you want on your squad but
I'm just very worried not having

873
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:51,300
that back up at the slot.
Like a z where we know being

874
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:55,500
coming in, he can do it that,
that worries me, the other

875
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
numbers to Israel.
Yeah, let me finish and then you

876
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,700
tell me what you think.
Number two, I hate losing a

877
00:52:01,707 --> 00:52:05,000
little meddler.
That guy was a rocket nickel,

878
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,500
two years ago again, you can see
a good team player when when

879
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Shh, more iconic took the role
from this year.

880
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,800
He had a couple games where he
had to come in and, you know,

881
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,400
help out.
I don't see necessarily I see

882
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,000
him more of.
I feel like you could do several

883
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,700
things clearly Nickelback up,
but I feel like he could play

884
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:28,300
that Rover in free safety.
So again, it hurts the depth on

885
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:32,000
the defensive side of the ball
with a proven guy and clearly

886
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,000
one is Hazleton, you know, he
was the he was, you know, second

887
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,500
on the team in yards as far as
wide receiver goes.

888
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:45,700
The team in touchdowns and him
leaving is one of those things

889
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:47,800
where he's coming back.
He'll get the, he'll get the

890
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,000
looks.
And to be honest, you know, I

891
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,300
think he had 34 receptions this
year so that's not a boatload of

892
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:59,200
receptions.
He wasn't getting the touches,

893
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,200
he doesn't get the touches on
the sweeps.

894
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,400
We saw his deficiencies across
the middle where, you know, he

895
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,200
dropped a few passes, but as a
guy coming back, you would think

896
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,500
we'll stay here and work on
this.

897
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,500
Those any disagreement with
those top three or you feel the

898
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:18,000
same way or do you are?
Yeah, I mean do you think I'll

899
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,800
tell you the biggest thing with
Hezekiah leaving is going to be

900
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,000
that leadership and the wide
receiver room not having that

901
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,500
we're definitely going to feel
some of that.

902
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:31,400
I mean, I feel confident that
he's still young, but the trades

903
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,900
going to pick up a lot of that
slack at the same time, you

904
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:38,200
know, it can't be understated.
Having having a guy with that

905
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,000
much experience in the room.
So losing him even if it was

906
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,000
just going to be in a in a
mostly Reserve role coming into

907
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,600
the season is definitely going
to hurt some.

908
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,200
I'm with you on Hazelton as like
I said I'm the biggest thing I

909
00:53:51,207 --> 00:53:55,200
see is that when we started the
year with Willis at quarterback

910
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,100
by default we were going to be
slinging the ball.

911
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:02,500
A pretty good amount once that
went South and hooker took over

912
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,800
hooker did well but hookers not
going to be throwing 30 times

913
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,200
again.
Like we were with Willis.

914
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:15,500
So you know, obviously there's
fewer targets to go around.

915
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:17,600
You've had some younger guys
step up and all of a sudden

916
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Hazleton is not getting the
touches.

917
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,500
He was expecting so that that
hurts.

918
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:24,600
I see you.
I see why that went down at the

919
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,200
same time.
You know, having someone that

920
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,100
has experience with, with our
Personnel would have been big

921
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,000
time this year.
So I feel like that's definitely

922
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,900
going to hurt as well.
And, you know, your third one

923
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:43,100
that you mentioned R ladler.
I mean, I don't think we win UNC

924
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:47,400
without what he did in that
game, especially in the over X.

925
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,200
So that means just having that
depth, and that ability to have

926
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,100
somebody come in knows what he's
doing.

927
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:58,200
Can play multiple positions, the
versatility and the skill.

928
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,100
I mean, that's going to be hard
to replace even if he's not the

929
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,700
guy that's at the top of the
depth chart is at his position.

930
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:09,300
Yeah agreed.
And you know but maybe there's

931
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,500
guys, you know, I think we've
got what Jr.

932
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,600
Walker cup of these other guys
we haven't seen.

933
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,600
So for us, it's definitely a
worry, but maybe as we get into

934
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,900
Spring ball, some of those
questions will become

935
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:23,500
unanswered.
I know we don't have as much

936
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:26,900
access to a lot of people
complain about that, and one of

937
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:30,100
them I'm like, do not have to
travel to Blacksburg to see the

938
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:33,400
spring game when other things,
as much as we enjoyed going up

939
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,100
there.
Being here to be able to flip on

940
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:41,100
a television, or pull up a live
feed, and just or replay ready.

941
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:43,800
Yeah.
Are you doing some highlights?

942
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,200
So I can see something.
Exactly.

943
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,600
So, we'll slowly start finding
out but you know, as much as we

944
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,300
wanted to cry the portal, we're
losing players that we lost a

945
00:55:53,308 --> 00:55:57,400
couple guys, but we also run.
You want to looked up these guys

946
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,400
and did some research on them.
We actually came to guys who

947
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,300
have proven at a division.
One football level, they can

948
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,800
play, Play.
And I'm going to look here

949
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,500
because we've mentioned this
name.

950
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:14,000
One time already in the podcast.
Just tell me what you got on.

951
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,800
Khalil, Herbert the running
back.

952
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,700
Grad transferring from Kansas,
we got them for this year.

953
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,000
What do you see?
So biggest thing I'm seeing this

954
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,700
guy's, he's a Bruiser, but he's
got an extra gear.

955
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,900
So that's kind of what you are
talking about a between the

956
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,500
tackles guy, but a guy that when
he gets past that first second

957
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:34,300
level can make things happen,
get those extra yards, break

958
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:38,900
those big runs.
Um, the biggest thing I've seen

959
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,500
deficiency was he needs to work
on patients at the point of

960
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,500
attack when running from the
shotgun sets.

961
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,300
Which, of course, you know,
that's what we mostly run out

962
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:50,500
of.
Sometimes he gets bottled up in

963
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:54,700
his track and doesn't quite get
to where he needs to.

964
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:59,200
With the way, the blocking get
set up, does a lot better in?

965
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:03,200
I formation and Pistol sets,
which we don't necessarily run a

966
00:57:03,207 --> 00:57:07,900
ton of obviously But when he's
running downhill, his vision is

967
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:12,200
a lot better.
So I think that that's going to

968
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,800
be interesting to see if he
makes any strides in those

969
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,700
areas.
But I mean, it's a guy where if

970
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:21,900
it's between the tackles, he
gets to the next level, he can

971
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:23,700
make some big things happen.
I know.

972
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:29,000
Everybody's talking about the,
the BC game being kind of, the,

973
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,600
his highlight reel, where he
ripped off.

974
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,500
A bunch of big runs against them
and had had a really career for,

975
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Foreman.
So if he can do a lot more that

976
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,300
consistently with us, then we're
going to have somebody that we

977
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,600
can really depend on.
All right, let me ask this

978
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,800
because you make the point is
going from shotgun.

979
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,700
Do you think in the offense we
run?

980
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:53,900
Do we have the capabilities?
I'm not going to say going under

981
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:55,400
Center for a, but I think we've
got the table.

982
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,300
Billy's, take a pistol tight
formation with Hendon and, you

983
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,400
know, some of the stuff we do.
You can do you see maybe in

984
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,700
Spring ball?
We're looking at.

985
00:58:04,707 --> 00:58:07,600
We're seeing we're running a
little more pistol or do you

986
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,800
think we're going to hate?
We're going to make them adjust

987
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,900
to what end of those.
Well hendon's 16 games he's

988
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:17,100
lost. 83 by less than 10 points
combined.

989
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Yeah.
Be I think at this point is

990
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,600
going to be the coaches have is
going to see what they have and

991
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,300
see if they can do.
I mean I don't think they're

992
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,500
going to say now we're not doing
this because it doesn't fit in

993
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:32,400
our our scheme.
I think they will play to some

994
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,100
of the strengths of the of the
Personnel.

995
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:40,100
I mean, we saw some of that with
even the switch from from Willis

996
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,200
to went into hooker, came in.
I mean, we was a differently

997
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,400
called game.
So I think you might see some of

998
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,300
that get adapted to fit more of
Herbert's Herbert style.

999
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:54,300
I don't know if you'll see a
bunch of bunch of those pistols.

1000
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:58,500
That's what you might see a few,
a game and you also might see

1001
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,800
them maybe stagger the depth of
the running back even in a

1002
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,700
shotgun formation so he can kind
of see the as his eyes towards

1003
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:09,700
the line of scrimmage a little
bit more when he takes the

1004
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:14,000
handoff versus a more
traditional either.

1005
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,000
Either parallel or you know one
yard stack type thing that you

1006
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,500
would see with a usual shotgun
formation.

1007
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,700
Now as sad as I was to see
Hezekiah Grimsley leave you know

1008
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,000
especially with you know knowing
he's that solid debt piece.

1009
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:35,500
It wasn't long after he made his
departure that we got the

1010
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:38,400
commitment from Raheem
Blackshear out of Rutgers and

1011
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,900
then I was like running back.
Oh boy the roof will, huh?

1012
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,300
We're up to 1,000 now.
Now, saw some tape, read some

1013
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,100
stats and I know you want even
more in-depth.

1014
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,400
This this guy isn't just a
running back.

1015
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,100
This guy is a Swiss Army knife
That's exactly what he is a

1016
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:01,900
Swiss army knife.
So I watching tape on this guy,

1017
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,500
the biggest thing, I mean, he
kind of reminds me a little bit

1018
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:13,600
of Darren Sproles, who little
bit of Darren Sproles but maybe

1019
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,600
even a touch of Percy Harvin and
there.

1020
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:19,200
No, I'm not saying total ability
wise, I'm were saying, skill

1021
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,100
set, he's got those tools where
he can you know, catch swing

1022
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:29,500
pass, catcher screen.
And he's going to run some, some

1023
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,100
slant, some Corners, some outs,
some digs, I mean he's he can

1024
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:35,500
run those routes but he's also
going to be the guy that can

1025
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:39,300
take the ball out of the
backfield from the shotgun, from

1026
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:42,200
on a toss, things like that.
So he's going to really be a

1027
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,000
guy.
That's got things going to come

1028
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,600
in and have some instant impact
just because of the versatility

1029
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:52,400
has and he does have speed.
So when he, when he gets gets an

1030
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,300
opening, he can he can hit the
home run.

1031
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,300
So I think that's that's the big
thing.

1032
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:01,000
We'll see from him.
He really excels, I'd say even

1033
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,900
more in the passing game than he
does.

1034
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:05,300
On the running game with their
swings and screens and short

1035
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,300
passes.
Brian.

1036
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,900
Do you think he has the ability
to play the the y?

1037
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:12,500
Or you think he strictly a
slide?

1038
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,300
I think he's going to be more of
the sludge it's because of the

1039
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,700
his route tree right now I don't
necessarily see him running goes

1040
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,700
or anything like that.
Pose that he's not he's not

1041
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:27,400
running a lot of deep routes
he's not doing a lot of The

1042
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,800
Comebacks or anything like that.
He's mostly doing Slants things.

1043
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,300
Over the middle things on the
outside occasionally it'll rot

1044
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,700
corner but mostly he's catching
swings and screens.

1045
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:42,000
So I think he's more going to be
a guy that does things like

1046
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,500
that.
He'll be at Jet Sweep thread as

1047
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:46,300
well.
Obviously, we run a lot of jet

1048
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:48,300
sweeps.
I know that's a running joke,

1049
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:53,200
amongst some of the the Twitter
Circle there about the Jet Sweep

1050
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,600
call.
But, you know, if we utilize it,

1051
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,100
he's going to be a big, a big
thread in that game.

1052
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,600
So we're going to see if you do
a lot of things but I think

1053
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,900
mostly from the sliding from the
running back position.

1054
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:07,400
Well, it's only made fun of when
it doesn't work, when we run the

1055
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,700
Jet Sweep and trade, Turner
takes 162 the house.

1056
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:14,300
It's like, oh, That's what we
need to do every time.

1057
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:17,700
But, you know, from obviously
being a coaching alignment,

1058
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:23,600
perfect execution on jet sweeps,
and around, and reverses are

1059
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,000
highly difficult.
Well, I mean, we ran a lot of

1060
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,900
Jet Sweep into Sydney as well.
So I remember blocking those

1061
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:30,500
things.
I remember that.

1062
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,400
If the defense has the right
call on, it's going to be a very

1063
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,200
ugly play.
But if they don't have the right

1064
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,100
call on, we could take it to the
house.

1065
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:42,600
So that's kind of that's the
risk reward with the Jet Sweep.

1066
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,100
And there you go again, folks
while we're gonna give you some

1067
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:51,000
more X's and O's from a guy who
actually played at a Collegiate

1068
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,200
level and coached at the high
school level, we've discussed.

1069
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,200
Now the Virginia Tech transfer
portal that for this year.

1070
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:03,400
You did some research, we like,
The only program that has these.

1071
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,300
No way.
We're not the only program,

1072
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,000
right?
These other guys, they're

1073
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,700
transferring to or we just the
lone exception, everybody

1074
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:13,300
transfers from Tech nowhere
else.

1075
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,800
Well, we've got actually a good
number just in the ACC alone.

1076
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,200
If we take a look at it, you're
right there with us being Miami

1077
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,600
with 14, always 14?
Yeah.

1078
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:26,900
Yeah, fortunately, they exceeded
us.

1079
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:27,900
Yes.
Yes.

1080
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,600
Oh God.
So again, that's that's counting

1081
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,500
guys.
I kind of guys that have put

1082
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:34,600
their name of the Portland came
back.

1083
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,700
That's guys that are either
still in the portal or of

1084
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:39,100
already transferred.
Well, how many did they have

1085
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,400
excuse me?
How did they have in the portal

1086
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,200
that came back?
I think they had they had one

1087
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,400
that came back and then the rest
are either still in the portal

1088
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,100
or have already announced where
they're transferring.

1089
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:55,400
All right, so what else did we
see?

1090
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:57,700
What about some of our other
competition?

1091
01:03:57,700 --> 01:04:01,600
You know, Carolina.
So the biggest ones we got Ducat

1092
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,900
11f issue at 11:00 ufs, you
probably a little different

1093
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:10,500
scenario there with coaching
change, but Duke sitting there

1094
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:12,900
right at 11.
I don't hear anyone out there

1095
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,600
complaining about what David
cutcliffe is done.

1096
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,200
At that program.
Granted they don't have a

1097
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,500
history of winning like we do it
virginia.com.

1098
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:25,100
At the same time, you know, 11
is still a big number.

1099
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:27,800
I don't think that we're seeing
we're seeing a correlation

1100
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,800
between number of people in the
transfer portal and Job quality

1101
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,000
by the coaching staff or by the
by the team in general.

1102
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,600
NC state has 10 in there.
UNC has nine Pitt, Se7en wake 7

1103
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:48,800
Louisville 7 BC 7.
This is not necessarily

1104
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,900
something that we're we're
saying is an indication of

1105
01:04:52,908 --> 01:04:55,700
coaching and more.
Just a new normal for the

1106
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:58,900
landscape of college football.
And a lot of teams are still

1107
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,200
adjusting to what that means.
And some of what we're

1108
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,000
experiencing is directly tied to
the fact that most of our

1109
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,300
starters are Redshirt sophomores
or younger because that's going

1110
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:17,400
to mean any guy that's in that
same class or younger and even

1111
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,100
some of the older guys that are
in a grad transfer position are

1112
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:24,700
probably saying, let me go
somewhere where I can get a year

1113
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:28,400
or two a playing time in versus
sitting behind this young buck.

1114
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,500
That's already been been kind of
planted in the store.

1115
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:34,100
Roll.
So, I think that's the biggest

1116
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,200
thing we're seeing right now.
I mean, even outside of the ACC,

1117
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:41,900
you know, Tennessee has 10
Arkansas, 13, Michigan, 11, Penn

1118
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,800
State Penn State had a big
number last year as well,

1119
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:49,900
Oklahoma's got 12 and Oklahoma
was in the playoff this year.

1120
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:52,700
Yes.
I mean, this is not exactly

1121
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:56,900
something that like I said,
indicative of where a coaching

1122
01:05:56,900 --> 01:05:59,600
staff is, how players care about
a program.

1123
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,600
I mean, it's just the new
Landscape of what college

1124
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,700
football is going to be until
some of these programs get

1125
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,200
adjusted to what it means for.
Well, I mean, I'm with you on, I

1126
01:06:10,207 --> 01:06:13,700
think this is the new normal in.
Even you talking about

1127
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,800
adjusting, I even think it's
programs adjust, its going to

1128
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,100
stay The New Normal because in
my opinion I don't think it's a

1129
01:06:21,107 --> 01:06:26,500
certain college football.
If anything, the way I see it is

1130
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:31,500
this is potentially helping the
non blue blood or the non-elite.

1131
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,600
Sort of that like 15 to 40
range.

1132
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,900
Kind of where Tech has been
sitting during the latter years

1133
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:43,900
of Frank on into the Fuente era.
We're not a leak, but this is

1134
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:46,400
kind of helping us because we
can go out and say, hey, that

1135
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:51,700
kids can play, he's four string
there, he gets in the portal,

1136
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,900
let's go recruit ins where the
elite teams can continue to

1137
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:57,100
restock.
Five stars, how four stars?

1138
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,300
What do you think?
Do you see it that way or do you

1139
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:02,800
see it differently?
It is hurting college football's

1140
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,500
to hurting the product that's
being put on the field by the

1141
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:08,200
program's.
I think, in the short term we're

1142
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,600
seeing some ill effects only
because people don't know.

1143
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,900
What they're expecting and it is
brand-new and it's scary and it

1144
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:21,100
feels different and it feels
like, okay, well, these kids are

1145
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:25,600
quitting on a program but it's
not that I think we're seeing

1146
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,800
kids that are saying, okay, some
of the things that I had planned

1147
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,800
on when I came here are quite
playing out the way I wanted to.

1148
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,500
Let me see if there's another
program, whether power 5 weather

1149
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,300
division ones, you know, a lot
of these kids are going to, you

1150
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,600
know?
D 1A schools, you know,

1151
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,800
transferring the schools like
JMU transfer into schools, like

1152
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,400
William and Mary coming out of
power, 5 school, when they're

1153
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,200
leaving.
So, I mean, some of these kids

1154
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,600
would you just want to play that
they, they know that their

1155
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,100
career isn't football, and they
just want to get on the field

1156
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:05,300
for two or three years and I
think that's a good thing for

1157
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:06,600
them.
And I don't think that's a

1158
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,200
negative for us.
Now, I don't think it's a

1159
01:08:10,207 --> 01:08:12,500
negative at all for us.
I think the big thing is that

1160
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:16,399
it's new and it's adjustment and
we're trying to figure out how

1161
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:21,300
to handle these situations and,
you know, how to have honest

1162
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:23,700
conversations with the kids
about what it means when they

1163
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,700
put their name in there.
And I think we're still figuring

1164
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:32,399
that out as evidenced by some of
the comments that have been made

1165
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,399
and some of the on Twitter and
some of the comments that were

1166
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,300
made by Wednesday at the
February 5th.

1167
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:42,500
The February February 5th
interview.

1168
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,399
I mean it's it's been a it's
been an ongoing process and I'm

1169
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:53,500
hoping that people start taking
it one, you know.

1170
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,300
Assessing it one player at a
time and not just blanketing.

1171
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:01,300
Well, if kids Lee Virginia Tech,
it's a bad thing.

1172
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:08,399
Agreed and going back to those
comments from Fuente on the

1173
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,200
February 5th.
Presser most publicity, we've

1174
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,200
gotten in quite some time.
From the mothership on, get

1175
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,899
outta that forgot about 30
words.

1176
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:22,500
He said that actually would have
put it in a better context but

1177
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,000
you know, they won't click.
They won't hit when I, you know,

1178
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:32,300
we said it we know the piece us
who are fans Read the entire

1179
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:35,500
transcript and said, oh, why is
this controversial?

1180
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,899
This isn't controversial.
This is a norm here.

1181
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:42,500
So you know, we moved on the
media, took it out of

1182
01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:47,200
proportion, but I'm going to
kind of flip and stay on the

1183
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,899
subject.
Although I don't think it's

1184
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:52,000
hurting college football.
I think it's really going to be

1185
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,200
hurting High School.
Recruiting a ton.

1186
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,700
Because now not so much.
Your higher rank guys, guys, who

1187
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:00,600
are getting looks and multiple
offers.

1188
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:05,500
But more of your guys with one
offer just one team likes on

1189
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:10,400
because now those guys used to
get that offer extended, you

1190
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,100
know, literally today over the
day before Signing Day, that's

1191
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:18,500
how we got Luther, Maddie and
daddy, Nicholas literally, they

1192
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:21,700
were two star, guys, got the
offer day before signing day

1193
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,200
because we had the room still.
Those are the guys that I think

1194
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,700
are going to kind of be in a bad
spot because teams are going to

1195
01:10:29,708 --> 01:10:30,700
be looking to say.
Yeah.

1196
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,900
We can take a risk with this
guy, but that guy over here.

1197
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:35,800
Can you give me doubt?
And I know he can play.

1198
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:41,900
So, I hate it for those guys who
don't get on the radar till late

1199
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,100
because potentially schools are
not going to offer them

1200
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:50,000
scholarships and they're kind of
going to be on the Wayside and

1201
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,900
have to make a decision whether
to go to a lower division or go

1202
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,700
to Juco.
What do you feel about that?

1203
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,300
Yeah.
So we have talked about this I

1204
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:02,000
decided that that Tampa Bay
Times article about Bob, but

1205
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,300
yeah, that I mentioned to you,
you know, a lot of schools down

1206
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,800
because of the transfer portal,
is the opportunity that it

1207
01:11:08,808 --> 01:11:10,400
presents for some of the
school's.

1208
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,000
They're starting to hold back.
The scholarship offers and

1209
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,300
saving, you know, clean to the
five scholarships every year

1210
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:22,300
for, for transfers, and before
it was more one or two, you

1211
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:26,000
know, you might have one or two
either Juco, guys that get

1212
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,700
picked up, or, you know, like a
graduate transfer.

1213
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,500
For something like that.
But you didn't have, you know,

1214
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:37,600
quite this no-holds-barred
situation that we're we're

1215
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,200
having now.
And like I said I think that's

1216
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,800
the biggest thing that we're
talking about with this

1217
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,500
adjustment but I think it's
definitely hurting some of those

1218
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:47,400
those high school recruits that
are on the cusp of getting, you

1219
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,700
know, a D1 offer on the cusp of
getting a power five offer.

1220
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,400
I mean those those are the guys
that are getting hurt by this

1221
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,800
because those late in the cycle
offerings are now being held

1222
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,300
back because hey, some some A
four-star guy might put their

1223
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,700
name in the portal either, right
before the deadline, or right

1224
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,700
after the deadline.
And I mean, they want to

1225
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:11,300
maximize their potential there.
So they're holding back those

1226
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:13,700
this Collies.
Yeah.

1227
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:18,900
Agreed gonna move on.
Kind of talking about the portal

1228
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:23,600
itself, and I decided to do some
digging because that 2018 portal

1229
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,500
was so polarizing to, for jigna
Tech.

1230
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:29,700
We've never seen an exodus like
it.

1231
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,300
You know, people are the
program's falling apart.

1232
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,600
We're losing all these guys.
What's going on the cultures?

1233
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,700
Bad, well, I dug a little bit
and just kind of wanted to see

1234
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:45,900
okay these guys that love Left.
Where did they go?

1235
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,600
What did they do?
Not going to hit all of them but

1236
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:55,700
going to hit some guys that I
feel were the the biggest names

1237
01:12:55,700 --> 01:13:01,800
and potential impacts on us in
the 2019 season and part of the

1238
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,000
2018 season 2 so on.
Right, I'm going to start with

1239
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,800
Josh Jackson.
Okay, clearly JJ JJ quarterback

1240
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,500
of the 2017 team.
No good solid season for us.

1241
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:23,000
He transferred to Maryland under
Mike locksley and I kind of feel

1242
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,100
for JJ in this case because this
is kind of, this is his stat

1243
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:30,500
line don't cringe, JJ played in
10 games, his completion

1244
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:38,300
percentage was 47%, he had 1274
yards, 12 touchdowns versus six

1245
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:43,900
interceptions Maryland's, 3 & 9.
Now, Yeah.

1246
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,000
No, I don't think this is an
indictment on Joshua.

1247
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I think Josh is a good player.
I just think Marilyn was a bad

1248
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,400
team to me.
Mike locksley has never proven,

1249
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,700
he can be a head coach, if you?
I think he may have one of the

1250
01:13:58,700 --> 01:14:02,700
worst winning percentages as a
head coach between his time in

1251
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:08,300
New Mexico, the instrument
Maryland and last season but I

1252
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:11,700
kind of set here and just wanted
to get your perspective because

1253
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:13,000
you're Josh broke his leg at the
end.

1254
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,600
What do you think happens if
Josh Jackson stays healthy?

1255
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,600
In 2018?
Number retrospect, the

1256
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,700
retrospect so healthy JJ for the
whole year so about where,

1257
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:28,000
whether what our record would
have been that year, or yeah,

1258
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:29,800
where do you think he would have
been?

1259
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,500
What are you telling me?
We were six and seven.

1260
01:14:31,500 --> 01:14:34,600
Are we better than that?
Or we the same or we, you know,

1261
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,000
where do you think we are?
If I think what JJ gave us the

1262
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,000
you know we didn't get once Ryan
Willis came in there.

1263
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:46,400
Is that he gave us a steady hand
at the position.

1264
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,700
He gave us better
decision-making and crunch time.

1265
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:54,900
He gave us a little bit more of
a running thread.

1266
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:59,600
Once he got down hill, he wasn't
quite as much of a Speedster,

1267
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:03,600
but if he got out on the edge,
getting the open, he could, he

1268
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,500
could make some things happen
with his legs.

1269
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,100
I think we're, at least two
moons better.

1270
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:10,800
Probably if he's healthy all
year.

1271
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,900
Maybe three.
But The same time, you know,

1272
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:18,200
it's a hindsight situations,
very hard hypothetical to really

1273
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,300
put your finger on but I think
we're two to three wins better.

1274
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:24,800
If we had JJ that whole season,
just because of the

1275
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,700
decision-making standpoint in
some of those, those November

1276
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:32,100
and late, October ACC matchups
where we struggled.

1277
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:37,400
Yeah, we're sometimes I look at
the Notre Dame game and a couple

1278
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:42,800
of Willis's turnovers.
I don't Josh was much more, much

1279
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,900
more.
Or conservatives much more

1280
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,100
protect the ball.
If I protect the ball they don't

1281
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:50,500
have the opportunity to do
anything we're in the Notre Dame

1282
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:54,400
game, couple of those turnovers
really switched that game and

1283
01:15:54,500 --> 01:16:00,000
don't like that game.
Sort of spiraled to the pit and

1284
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,800
the Georgia Tech and the BC
games afterwards.

1285
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:04,900
Right?
Around that time.

1286
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:08,700
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
We'll look at a few more guys

1287
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:12,000
here, Brian, and just kind of
give you my thoughts on them.

1288
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:16,000
Eric cool.
Transfer to ODU the wide

1289
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,000
receiver.
He waiting for game.

1290
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,200
So he redshirted this year, I'm
not sure if that was injuries.

1291
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,700
I didn't go that deep, but when
I see Gothic 4 games clearly

1292
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:31,300
he's taking the red shirt.
So 18 perceptions 192 yards.

1293
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:34,900
No touchdowns I think his story
is incomplete still.

1294
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:37,100
He's got one more year to see
what he can do.

1295
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:42,400
Now, I will say this one thing
I'll say about are Kuma people

1296
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,000
tried to get on social media and
say he was the cause he was the

1297
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,700
guy, very cool.
It play through a broken hand

1298
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:50,700
and Marshall.
He did all that game.

1299
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:57,300
No, yeah, anyone that just
doesn't it's not aware of what

1300
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,400
was going on in the program and
what was going on with him

1301
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,400
personally.
So, that's been my take on are

1302
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,700
Akuma.
I mean, I think he did.

1303
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:08,900
What was best for him, given the
circumstances and given the

1304
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,600
amount of young talent that was
coming up behind him?

1305
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,300
I think he did the best for him.
Don't, I don't think, at any

1306
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:16,800
point, I questioned his
toughness or his willingness to

1307
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,300
go out there and compete for a
woman.

1308
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,100
Now another big name that left
that last year was Sean Savoy

1309
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,400
wide receiver.
He went to Maryland.

1310
01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:30,500
Josh Jackson switch to defensive
back, part of way through the

1311
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:33,700
year last year.
And as of late November, he was

1312
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:37,200
not on that team.
And back in the portal, my heart

1313
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,900
always breaks for Shan Shan with
your personal tragedy that he

1314
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:43,000
did share, you know, kind of
with the public.

1315
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:47,200
Exxon through social media and
when he transferred up there, to

1316
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,700
be closer to homes from the DC
area, it makes sense.

1317
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:51,200
It's like, yes, you go handle
that business.

1318
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:56,400
You're still as he won school
and I'm hoping that giving him

1319
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,200
some stability and hopefully,
where he lands next, generally

1320
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,500
help him because that freshman
year with him, the promise he

1321
01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:07,200
showed in that slot role, how
hard he played, and the one

1322
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,100
lasting memory for me.
Remember that VC game?

1323
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:13,000
Yeah, he killed them
single-handedly.

1324
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:14,800
They did not know how to stop
him.

1325
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,300
He had like nine catches for 140
yards and a touchdown.

1326
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:19,400
They were just like what do we
do?

1327
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,700
And he's out there.
Just stroking them so I if so

1328
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:24,800
Sean, Savoy hope he lands
somewhere.

1329
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:27,900
Hope, you know, the personal
life is getting better because

1330
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:31,200
that that was a good kid and I
think circumstances he had to

1331
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,100
leave.
I don't think he didn't, we did.

1332
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,700
I just think he knew what he was
what was going on in in real

1333
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:45,700
life and he made that decision.
Let me ask you.

1334
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:48,300
This was the most controversial
transfer of last year.

1335
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:54,400
Controversial controversial.
We do material and he'll, oh,

1336
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:59,300
without a doubt, any player that
walks across the stage at

1337
01:18:59,308 --> 01:19:01,600
graduation and throws up the
youth.

1338
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,900
So controversial, oh my God,
good player to coming out of,

1339
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:07,800
you know, high school, high
rated.

1340
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:12,100
Some people felt like he was the
best technique defensive in

1341
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:16,600
because that was like the Josh
sweat class and stuff now for

1342
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:21,300
us, nobody knows what went on
that locker room at ODU but the

1343
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:26,200
players and the coach, Just ask.
We don't know maybe one day,

1344
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,700
it'll come down, I'm gonna guess
not, I feel like both, you know,

1345
01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:32,900
the staff, the players and
Trayvon close that book.

1346
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,400
And if you went down to Miami,
boo, but he had a solid season.

1347
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,600
27, tackles nine and a half
times.

1348
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,400
The last four and a half sacks.
Had a solid game.

1349
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,000
You know.
I think he had four tackles a

1350
01:19:46,008 --> 01:19:48,800
tackle for loss in a sack.
We played on, we beat him.

1351
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:53,200
Yeah.
But you know, That's the one no

1352
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,300
one's ever gonna know.
That's the one where we could

1353
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:59,500
sit here and, like, write a
story in everyone, whatever way

1354
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:01,600
you go, you could believe it.
Absolutely.

1355
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,500
I'll say this about it.
I mean, obviously the exit

1356
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:09,600
wasn't graceful at all.
But as far as his presence on

1357
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,700
Twitter, his back and forth and
some former players, it seems

1358
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:18,300
like nothing but love and you
know, you even called him giving

1359
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:21,000
giving the Hokie some props
after we had our turnaround

1360
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,500
after Oh, Duke there.
So you know, I don't think

1361
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:28,500
there's necessarily love lost
with with the fans or with the

1362
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:31,200
with the players.
I'm I think it's more of, it was

1363
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,500
just something happened in the
locker room and like I said, I

1364
01:20:35,508 --> 01:20:38,500
don't know if we'll ever get the
full story on it, but, you know,

1365
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:42,200
it seems like other than than
throwing up the you at

1366
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,400
graduation.
There's there's nothing but

1367
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,100
love, coming back to Virginia
Tech even though he's a, he's a

1368
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:54,800
hurricane now.
So All right, I got three more

1369
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,700
guys.
I want to hit and then we'll

1370
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:01,000
move on.
Remember cam, good situation in

1371
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,600
the summer, only?
Yeah, about that.

1372
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,200
Oh my God, releasing the
scholarship.

1373
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:13,500
Like, at the end of July in 2018
and then he comes in comments.

1374
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,600
The despite the split was it?
Mutual you're like, oh crap,

1375
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,100
what the heck?
No one knows again.

1376
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:23,800
Same like Trayvon, some people.
It was probably he was promised

1377
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,700
playing time and he came out of
camp out of shape.

1378
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:31,000
We don't know, he set out, he
went to UCF, he played six games

1379
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,700
last year.
Seven tackles as a redshirt

1380
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:36,700
freshman and it is looking like
he is going to be a part of

1381
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:43,200
their too deep for us.
It really hurt 2018 because I

1382
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,300
think we all looked at his size
and thought he's gonna be on the

1383
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:49,000
2D for the defensive tackle.
It's not useful to be Ricky and

1384
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,800
Jared up front.
He's going to be in there,

1385
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:56,100
helping in that year.
It clearly showed though that we

1386
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,700
missed missing and letting him
go.

1387
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,600
We cannot stop the run.
Couldn't stop the run.

1388
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,100
He had players constantly
injured at the position we were

1389
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:07,700
putting in guys that had never
seen rep and guys that in some

1390
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:11,500
cases probably wouldn't have
seen reps other than garbage

1391
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:14,800
time.
So I mean that's that's what

1392
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,900
that's what we're end up working
with their.

1393
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:18,800
I mean, he was definitely
somebody that I thought was at

1394
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:25,100
least gonna see some rotational
Duty, you know year one probably

1395
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:28,500
not going to Redshirt going to
be a guy that's gonna gonna be

1396
01:22:28,500 --> 01:22:32,200
in there in a run stopping Roll,
Just because of his size and you

1397
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:37,900
know, whatever happened,
definitely put us in a bind at

1398
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:40,000
that position, especially for
2018.

1399
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,800
But even to a small degree in
2019 because Some of the changes

1400
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:52,600
that we made to the recruiting
cycle was meant to plug up the

1401
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,900
big depth issue.
We had that position and part of

1402
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:58,300
that was due to two cam changing
course there.

1403
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,400
It.
Yeah, and it stunk because I

1404
01:23:02,407 --> 01:23:05,300
mean you think, I don't think we
take the two guys out of the

1405
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:08,000
Mississippi.
Juco, if cams, there may be one,

1406
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,100
not both.
Although, you know, Crawford

1407
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:14,600
came in immediately showed he
was an impact guy.

1408
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,800
So, you know, some things work
out and clearly those other two

1409
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,800
kids from Florida, they're
they're doing it as well.

1410
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,500
So yeah, I'm going to say this
name and then just kind of laugh

1411
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:29,100
and move on Bryce.
Watch cornerback who went to you

1412
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:33,300
and See who's from New Jersey.
Who in his, if you remember that

1413
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:36,400
with the Tweet, Brian, it was.
Yeah, I need to transfer to be

1414
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,100
closer to home and think.
Oh, great.

1415
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:41,600
Cool Rutgers or maybe even pin.
Stay maybe Marilyn.

1416
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,700
I'm goin to Carolina.
What?

1417
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:45,700
Wait, folks?
Hold on.

1418
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,700
But that's anything.
Any comments on that gentleman.

1419
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:55,200
I mean, are we talking is this
the max round Factor?

1420
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,600
Like what is, is that the only
thing that was at play there?

1421
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,800
For a blonde.
Maybe wants to put on a good

1422
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,800
face before he drops the hammer.
Yes.

1423
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:08,200
Yeah.
Who knows?

1424
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,000
And, but I think for us, we
might have we got lucky on that

1425
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,900
because I think having Jermaine
Waller and you know, Caleb,

1426
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:22,000
they're clearly out.
There's clearly a class in

1427
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,400
themselves, so maybe him leaving
open the doors for both those

1428
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,300
guys and boom.
Last guy want to touch because I

1429
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:30,600
can remember this guy play.
Enrico kerenyi.

1430
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:33,900
I feel like this was just an
attrition loss were so deep at

1431
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:37,400
linebacker.
You know that first year he

1432
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:42,600
played you saw the flashes but
you had back to you had Richard

1433
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:44,700
Tisdale was in there.
Keyshawn artist whose

1434
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:48,500
redshirting he leave him in
there rotating.

1435
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,500
Yeah, and I'm started.
I'm also wondering besides the

1436
01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:05,100
depth chart.
He's from Jacksonville.

1437
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:08,500
He went to UCF not that far of a
drive, maybe one of those

1438
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:09,700
things.
Well, I'm not going to see as

1439
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:12,600
much playing time here if I'm
not going to see a bunch of

1440
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,200
playing time, I'd rather be
playing somewhere close to home

1441
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:17,100
and that's going to be those
guys.

1442
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:20,100
So that's sort of the guys.
I see that week, the way I

1443
01:25:20,108 --> 01:25:22,400
opinion goes I look at all of
them you know.

1444
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:28,100
No one went out there and you
know, shattered records or

1445
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:32,600
played To a All-American level,
we don't get me wrong.

1446
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,700
Losing Trayvon, he'll a
defensive in was hurting losing

1447
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,300
Josh, I think hurts because
having continually quarterback

1448
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:43,200
would have been better.
But overall I think the guys

1449
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,800
that love for whatever reason as
much as people were screaming,

1450
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,100
everything's on fire.
We're going to be terrible.

1451
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:51,900
I think a lot of people were
wrong.

1452
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:54,200
Yeah.
I mean, I think we're probably

1453
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,800
going to see some similar tight
situations with the guys that

1454
01:25:57,808 --> 01:26:00,700
are in the portal.
Now, both the Ones that have

1455
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:04,200
left in the, those that are
still looking for landing spots.

1456
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,000
I mean, you know, there's
probably going to be one or two

1457
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,500
of those guys that end up being
difference makers on another

1458
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:13,600
team but most of them are
probably either going to go to,

1459
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:19,600
you know, a smaller school or
non power 5 school so they can

1460
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,900
get some playing time and
contribute their, you know, I

1461
01:26:22,907 --> 01:26:26,100
don't think you're going to see
a ton of these guys transfer

1462
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:29,200
power, 5 and end up being
difference makers, I think

1463
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:33,900
Hazleton probably, maybe the
exception to that, maybe Jacoby

1464
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,200
Pinckney.
But other than that, I mean I

1465
01:26:37,208 --> 01:26:40,300
think it's going to be similar
to the things that we've seen

1466
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:44,000
with with the last couple here
is that we're will see guys that

1467
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,300
that hit the portal, that go
somewhere.

1468
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:49,600
That's a good fit for them.
Where they think they can get

1469
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,100
more playing time or have more
visibility or do these just

1470
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:55,700
closer to home and works for
them.

1471
01:26:58,100 --> 01:27:00,900
Curtis, I did want to bring up
something with you though.

1472
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:05,900
I know the big buzz on Twitter
right now is the sons of

1473
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:10,700
Saturday podcast with John yet,
see ya.

1474
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:16,000
Shout Out, Billy Ray, Pat, Finn
and Grace, and that was awesome.

1475
01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:21,100
For a lot of the naysayers on
Twitter.

1476
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,300
I think let's see set a lot of
things that maybe people are

1477
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:29,100
willing to hear from the head
guy but it kind of opened some

1478
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:33,800
eyes up to what happened with
this you know, 20 20 recruiting

1479
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,300
class I just think it's insane.
I mean run.

1480
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:40,900
You work at a major university
here in the state.

1481
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:45,200
I work for a you know, fools
Forbes, 100 company and when

1482
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,000
you're talking about what the
thing with just canner.

1483
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:55,200
Yeah, like a descent job,
someone with that level of

1484
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,800
influence on the recruiting
cycle.

1485
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:02,200
Being the only guy that knows
the Trade Secrets, what was it?

1486
01:28:02,900 --> 01:28:05,400
He's the only guy with the notes
because I might not know what

1487
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,900
all the Trade Secrets.
I mean in the position I do but,

1488
01:28:08,900 --> 01:28:12,500
you know, we're kind of required
to document things.

1489
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,500
Yeah, in my industry, its
compliance stuff, but we got a

1490
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:18,900
document because who knows when
you know my kids sick and I got

1491
01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:22,800
to be out two days if I don't
have my files, documented people

1492
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,800
are like what's going on?
And in this case saying he's the

1493
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,800
only one that had the notes.
You're kind of wondering why

1494
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,600
didn't anybody within?
Hey John.

1495
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,900
Let's I think, let's see what he
would have been like, what 1920

1496
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:38,300
at the time.
Think it's best to rain.

1497
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:41,100
She's working in there.
So my didn't just say, hey, you

1498
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:43,800
know, you think we should have
these notes to so you can start

1499
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,400
teaching us.
And I can't imagine the scenario

1500
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,500
where there's one knowledge
holder and there's, there's no

1501
01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:57,300
one that can step in and do at
least 80% of the job.

1502
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:01,600
If that one person departs or
something else happens, you

1503
01:29:01,608 --> 01:29:05,500
know, whatever it may be.
Be there should at least be

1504
01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:10,300
somebody in that organization
within that use of the team that

1505
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,300
at least those how to do 70 days
percent of what what Chuck was

1506
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:17,300
doing on a day-to-day basis or
at least have the notes to try

1507
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:22,800
to learn on the Fly.
So yeah, that was pretty well to

1508
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,700
see that, another thing, but I
know you kind of looked into it.

1509
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:32,000
I mean, we're 16 years behind
on, the recruiting department,

1510
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,300
in reality compared to the Top
Notch, punitive compared to your

1511
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:39,600
Elite programs.
And now everybody is behind like

1512
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,600
programs like UVA.
And I mean, yeah, not only.

1513
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:44,900
Did they get the money
consistently?

1514
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,100
I know we're behind in that
aspect and people are, you know,

1515
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:52,500
kind of asking know what can we
do to get there?

1516
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:54,600
Well, money's going to be a big
thing.

1517
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,000
I do truly even more believe
once that came out.

1518
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,000
I think that was the play with
the Baler.

1519
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:06,100
So and I mean because if he's
able to go there and say this is

1520
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:07,400
what they're offering recruiting
life.

1521
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:13,300
Can we get three quarters that?
Yeah because you know, Well,

1522
01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:15,400
there's either to you got it
coming from the head coach that?

1523
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,600
Hey, this is what is going on in
another program, not just, you

1524
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:26,500
know, as John was saying at the
at the recruitment team Retreat.

1525
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,800
You know, documenting, the
number of people that are there

1526
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,700
from each school.
That's, that's, you know, that

1527
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:34,300
tells you a story, but that
doesn't tell you the whole

1528
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:36,500
story.
But, you know, you go and get a

1529
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:39,200
bona fide offer from another
power 5 program.

1530
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,300
And they're telling you, this is
the recruiting resources, you're

1531
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:46,500
going to have that says
Something he does but that

1532
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:51,100
interview is definitely
insightful here with John and

1533
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:56,200
the sons of Saturday it was
really again eye-opening and I

1534
01:30:56,208 --> 01:30:59,000
think if you in some people can
say well he was just he was an

1535
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,600
interview.
He was saying what people wanted

1536
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,500
to hear the me.
You listen to John's voice in

1537
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:05,700
the way it cracked a couple
times about things.

1538
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,400
He's an alumni there, my death
was an alumni from Tech.

1539
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,300
I don't think these guys are
going to sugarcoat anything

1540
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:18,500
because the goal they even said
it in Johnson and on that

1541
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:20,700
podcast and it's the truth.
Can, this guy help us beat

1542
01:31:20,700 --> 01:31:23,300
Clemson because for the ACC
that's the hurdle.

1543
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:25,800
Yeah.
Got to be Clemson before you can

1544
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,300
think of anything else and I
know a lot of people that will

1545
01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:31,600
just win the coastal again and
then we'll be okay.

1546
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:36,600
Well, that's one small
incremental step in clearly, if

1547
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:42,400
you saw twenty, you know, 2016.
We were there.

1548
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,200
Yeah I think I think we have a
coaching staff you can.

1549
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,300
This line them with their
personalities?

1550
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,900
I know bud was part of that
coaching staff back then.

1551
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,700
I think we got a coaching staff
and to me we've seen it.

1552
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,800
The beginning of year, bigger
games bowl games.

1553
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:03,900
These guys know how to gain plan
better and I love frank Beamer.

1554
01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:06,600
But how many times did we see
that first game of the year?

1555
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:10,800
So many things go right?
Boise State, I just the bad

1556
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,100
snaps.
Terrible play, calls that hurt

1557
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:16,700
me and then I go look at like
the West Virginia year.

1558
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,300
Yeah, it was like light years,
the bowl games.

1559
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,600
I mean, I know we've lost two
bowl games in a row or three in

1560
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,100
a row and that sucks.
But if you take a look at the

1561
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:32,600
game plans, think about the
Oklahoma State game.

1562
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:35,800
They weren't going to get that
ball peoples and Josh Jackson

1563
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:40,200
don't don't muddle that fumble
will mesh that fumble up.

1564
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,400
They get in, we win that game
against Marshall.

1565
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,400
Why are not Marshall?
Excuse me, Cincinnati, we're at

1566
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:51,300
the goal line.
Why are we Understanding the

1567
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:54,300
game plans worked against one of
the better path or group of five

1568
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:58,700
schools and then same with this
year, the game plans were in

1569
01:32:58,700 --> 01:33:00,700
place.
So, I mean, I think the coaching

1570
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:05,800
staff and the stuff we have
there, I think I think we've got

1571
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,500
the right coaches.
I think we need better

1572
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,500
recruiters.
I think that's going to stress.

1573
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,300
I think maybe in a future
episodes.

1574
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:13,000
We talked about some of those
new guys.

1575
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:16,800
Yeah, I think the big thing that
we're seeing is I think we're

1576
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,100
starting to Maybe put some
things in perspective.

1577
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:25,200
I mean, the goal of everyone is
to get get back into an ACC

1578
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,100
Championship and get to a
national title.

1579
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:30,500
To put Virginia Tech on the map
and put the trophy in the case

1580
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,200
if that's not what you're about.
Then you're probably at the

1581
01:33:34,208 --> 01:33:36,800
wrong place.
At the same time, you got to put

1582
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,600
those wants and those desires
into perspective of the reality

1583
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,200
of the landscape of college
football.

1584
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:49,200
And a big thing of that is money
and I I don't think that we're

1585
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:56,200
ever going to be Alabama or
Texas or Ohio State in that

1586
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:01,800
department or Clemson or
Florida, but I don't think we

1587
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,900
need to be at that level, but I
think we need to at least be at

1588
01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:10,400
the top 40 level in those
departments if we're if we're

1589
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,500
going to truly compete for a
national title National

1590
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:18,500
Championship.
I just think it's You know, at

1591
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:21,400
some point, if you've got more
resources, if you have more

1592
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,600
boots on the ground, we got more
people making calls, you got

1593
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:28,500
more people doing things
recruits notice, and they're in

1594
01:34:28,508 --> 01:34:30,700
the start trending, those
directions.

1595
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,900
And until we catch up a little
bit, I mean, we've been putting

1596
01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:41,800
putting out 20/20 side.
We've been pulling in top 30

1597
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,400
classes with top 80, recruiting
department.

1598
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:48,100
So that's good.
Lisha.

1599
01:34:48,700 --> 01:34:52,200
It's a good turnover.
Yeah, so imagine if we, if we

1600
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:56,100
put, you know, increase that by
30% or 40% of that department,

1601
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:59,200
let's see if we can get, you
know, consistently in the top

1602
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,300
20.
So you know, I don't, I don't

1603
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:06,400
think that's, you know, I think
more if it's not a weed in here,

1604
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,000
a lot of good information from
John, it was eye-opening

1605
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:13,600
information from John things
that explain some of what we've

1606
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,100
been seeing.
So it All positive, but it was

1607
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:21,400
all hey, we're working on it,
we're moving in the right

1608
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,000
direction.
Help us out.

1609
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:30,300
Agreed right now as we close The
Showdown today, I'm going to

1610
01:35:30,308 --> 01:35:33,700
make a quick hit here you guys.
Listen to the intro and the

1611
01:35:33,700 --> 01:35:40,700
outro music that is by one of
our lifelong friends, Brian.

1612
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:42,600
Once again, I went to elementary
school with Jason.

1613
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,900
You Middle High School College.
Yep, thanks, Jason long.

1614
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:47,900
He actually lives in the New
River Valley.

1615
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:53,800
The cuts were using this week is
off as Exit Wounds album from

1616
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,800
And 15.
Check him out on Spotify,

1617
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,500
iTunes.
You've been gracious.

1618
01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:05,100
Enough to let us use this music
without charging us gracias.

1619
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:10,100
Jason, who listen to the podcast
and one last piece?

1620
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,000
Brian.
There's somebody that all of

1621
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:17,700
Hokie Nation should be thanking
because the bad luck that we got

1622
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:20,100
seven days ago.
Who do we want to thank at the

1623
01:36:20,108 --> 01:36:24,300
end of this broadcast?
Well I want to give a big Big

1624
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:29,900
and huge shout out to Mel Tucker
because Mel Tucker told a little

1625
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:36,200
okey-doke out there in Colorado
and now after Baylor don't look

1626
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:45,100
so bad, not at all, not at all.
So hokey fans, we hope you

1627
01:36:45,108 --> 01:36:49,600
enjoyed this first episode, my
name is Curtis Wilson.

1628
01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:53,800
I'm Brian Sigler.
Let's go.

1629
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:43,700
Okay.
Giving Longhorn.

1630
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:46,700
Wow.
Wow.