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And welcome back to the Boundary Corner podcast, along with my partners, Brian Seigla, Jonathan Talley, and Shelton Moss.

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I am Curtis Wilson, and this episode is brought to you by Dr. Jeremy Counts at the Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy, 301 South Main Street, Blacksburg, Virginia.

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Gentlemen, since the last time us four got together, it's been about a month.

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How's everybody doing?

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How are the holidays going?

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Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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I didn't drink as much since the last time we talked, so I guess that gives you a little bit of a preview of how my holidays went down.

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I did not abstain from the alcohol, but I certainly did not go as hard as State of the Program.

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Tally?

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It's been a lot.

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I've had a lot going on over here, man.

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My kid broke his leg.

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basketball practice so we had to go through surgery had a rod put in and screws in his ankle and all type of stuff and you know just trying to keep him mentally strong on the on the journey that we got to take their new job just started um 2024 has been trying to me that's what it's been making so well at least it's happening at the beginning

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Yeah, man.

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I always tell... I'm very optimistic about most stuff.

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It's just hard.

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Like I said, my son broke his leg.

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It's hard to see him laying in the hospital bed, but once I could get him home and get him to doing some normal stuff and to see him being able to play his video game and stuff, I'm like, okay, you're going to be all right.

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We're going to get through it.

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That's fine.

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I'm blessed, like I said, we're all blessed, so.

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Sheldon say, new year, new him.

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That's right, got my nice fresh cut.

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God, Sheldon, how you been, man?

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I've been good.

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I got a little respite back home in Richmond over the Christmas break.

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The only thing I really did was go up to the military ball.

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It was pouring down rain the entire time.

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I was in the press box as a credentialed media member.

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However, that did not keep me from getting entirely wet because the Navy press box, their pipes were leaking water.

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So we had some spillage right next to me on the table.

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And then to make it worse, the window panes

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uh had condensation on them so you could barely see out in the second half you could barely see out of the uh out of the out of the glass um so it was not i would give that i would not give the navy press box a good yelp review i would say maybe like one one star out of ten with that being said though i got to see some friends so i i think it was a great experience

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You should have just came down in the bleachers with me, Sheldon.

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You'd have been all right.

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I could see the game.

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I was soaked, but I could see the game.

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I did enjoy the military bowl.

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We did not get to catch up, unfortunately, Sheldon.

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I tried.

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But Sheldon got up really late.

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I got up there really early.

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And then, like you said, you were going through the press box and stuff.

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But that is what it is.

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So, but –

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You know, we're back, and we've got a lot to unload, as we always do.

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We are going to talk about that bowl game.

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We're going to obviously talk about the breaking news that broke about going on four and a half hours ago, which, Tally, I don't see the barricades up or the sandbags up in the background yet, so I'm assuming nothing's went crazy down in the state of Alabama yet.

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But we're going to talk about that as well.

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But let's kick off tonight real quick.

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I told Tally he needs to get the barriers up because there's going to be riots.

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They're going to be in the streets.

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Yeah, not yet.

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Everybody's calm right now.

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You know, they think they're getting Lane Kiffin or Urban Meyer or somebody.

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I don't know who they think they're getting right now.

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So everybody's still calm.

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All righty.

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Well, before we jump on that, because I do want to talk about that a little bit, but let's jump on what just broke or what just happened, ended about 30 minutes ago.

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The Hokies won versus a ranked team in basketball.

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By more than one or two points.

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Well, technically both.

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Technically both.

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We'll hit that one in a second.

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Sheldon, I know you were really tuned in because you actually texted all of us and was like, I'll be on as soon as the basketball game's over.

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87-72, Padula career high 32.

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I tried to watch pieces of this game, but I got stuff going on.

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Based on what's happened the last few times out, pleasantly surprised for me.

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Sheldon, what about you?

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Yeah, definitely.

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I mean, they shot the lights out.

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They were 54 percent from three, 13 to 24 and 54, 54 percent overall.

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So just a kind of a lightning in a bottle offensive performance.

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Obviously, Padilla goes off.

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You got who was it?

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Tyler Nickel goes off eight for 11, five or seven from three.

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So.

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I don't know.

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I mean, three-point shooting kind of come and go each game.

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I don't know if that level of shooting is sustainable over time, but it was good to kind of see them play at least closer to their capability.

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I think this year they've had a bunch of players that have regressed from their historical norms, and so it's good to see maybe some positive regression.

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Hopefully some of those guys who played well tonight can kind of use this sort of as a launching pad to kind of get back to where they are capable of playing.

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Yeah, and, you know, what's even crazier tonight is you take a look at the stat line.

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The guy who's been, like, lighting it up all year had his – obviously his most pedestrian game of the year in Lynn Kidd from an offensive perspective.

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I mean, you know, he still went out there, you know, grabbed some boards.

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Obviously, Kidd's a big guy, a couple blocks.

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But –

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I think maybe the most impressive thing was Tyler nickel tonight because that 20, Brian, how much did you see of the game?

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I was like you, I was kind of checking in and out.

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We had some stuff going on here, you know, family, whatnot.

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So I was checking in and out, but you know what I was looking at there, it looks like,

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like like shelton was saying you know we had a little bit of reversion to the mean in a positive way um you know and then we also add in um i think you know getting a little bit more from nickel or i should say maybe more of what we expected from nickel um for most of the year tonight um yeah i think he looked like a solid contributor uh you know was shooting the ball very well i think we expected that a little bit more maybe this is a sign of things to come maybe this is just kind of a one-off i guess we'll see is

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we get further than ACC play, but I liked what I saw tonight.

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If we can get, you know, 80, 90% of that every game, I feel like we're going to be doing all right against most of the competition that we play.

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So yeah, if, if we can, we can, you know, keep most of that level together, I think we'll be all right.

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As we get further in the ACC play.

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I liked what I saw though.

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Let's see if they can keep it up.

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Cali, you catch any of it tonight?

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Yeah, I was tuned in.

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I watched probably 80 or 90% of the game.

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Tyler Nichol, he had a good game.

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He was letting it fly.

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You could tell he came out with the right mindset.

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The coaches let him play.

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He put some shots up.

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He didn't miss many, but the couple that he missed, it was like you could tell they were kind of heat check shots.

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So sometimes coaches will be like, oh, no, we got to take him out, calm him down.

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They let him keep going, and he kept playing.

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But I guess what's to be said about this game is they did all of it without Hunter Couture.

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He was a big reason why –

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The defense was pretty stout at the beginning because he can guard some different positions.

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But when he went out with that concussion, I mean, he got kicked in the head.

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As you can see, he was hurt.

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So when he went out, I was like, they're going to blow this lead because –

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What they kept doing, what Clemson kept doing was they kept getting in transition, and their big man would run the floor.

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Sean Padula would run the floor and go low and get caught on a big man.

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So they started exploiting that, and I was like, oh, yeah, it's over.

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But they just couldn't out-shoot the Hokies, man.

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They just kept shooting and kept making them.

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At one time, they was like, Clemson's shooting the ball really well.

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They're 55% from three.

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But Virginia Tech's shooting 65%.

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There you go.

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Like, what do you do, you know?

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So I think the problem that we run into basketball-wise is when we play the very athletic –

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physical teams.

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Teams like Clemson aren't the teams that really kill us most of the time, cuz they kinda match up the same.

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And it comes down to who can shoot.

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But when you get into teams like FSU play, I think that we gave that game away.

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But FSU was a very physical team.

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They're guarding you all the way down the floor, they're pushing.

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And Padula has a hard time with that because of his size.

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He's a great player, but he's just, you know, he's like 6'1", 6'0", something like that.

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And a lot of these point guards in the ACC are 6'3", 6'4", a little bit bigger frame, and they try to push him around.

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So we run into that problem, and the offense is much different when the ball isn't going through Padula's hands.

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So I'm interested to see how they handle that because nobody on the team can really handle the ball like he does.

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as efficient as he is when he's on.

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But when you get him off his point is where we run into problems.

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So interesting to see how that is because the ACC ramps up and, you know, you run into Virginia, you run into Duke, you run into these North Carolina teams, and you see what you're made of.

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But great start to, you know, starting to get into this conference play and going in and getting that win against Clemson.

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Yeah, definitely this is what's coming up, what started tonight and going through the next three games.

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There's definitely probably the toughest four-game stretch of the conference play because it's down in Miami.

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Miami's 11-3.

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Virginia, that's at – or Miami at Castle.

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Virginia at Virginia.

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Virginia's like 10-4.

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NC State's 11-3.

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Those are two away games.

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So, I mean, is it one of those things?

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Let me get your opinion on this, Sheldon, before we flip over.

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Do the next three games decide if this team potentially could make the tournament?

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Well, probably.

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I mean, because those are kind of all your quad one games.

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You got Miami, UVA, NC State.

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Yeah, so those are – I'm pretty sure those are all quad ones because quad one is top 75 on the road.

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Got one tonight.

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Yes, I got one tonight, which is huge.

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And depending on – hopefully Clemson stays in the top 30, which they are right now.

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But –

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Yeah, I mean, if they hold serve and go 2-1, I mean, they're looking really good.

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If they go 1-2, it's kind of like, eh, still on the fringe.

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If they go in 3, I think they're done.

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So I think this stretch is very much going to prove whether or not they can make a shot at the NCAA tournament.

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I was checking the numbers the other day.

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Right now we're at 9%, according to Bart Torvik, chances of making the NCAA tournament, which obviously is not great, but that doesn't include tonight's win, and we've still got a long way to go.

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So those numbers can fluctuate game by game.

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But so they I mean, yeah, they have definitely a chance, but they just they got to take advantage this week.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Now, I would say to Tally's previous point, I think a lot of whether this team is going to make the tournament is going to depend on how well Sean Padula can play, especially once we get against those bigger guards.

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He seems to have a tendency that.

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When he gets pressed like that, he either holds the ball too long or he kind of panics and we get a turnover, right?

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So he's either holding the ball, we don't give to our offense, we get a bad shot, or we get a turnover because he panics.

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So if we can cut down on turnovers, he's done a pretty good job of limiting turnovers tonight.

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If we can continue that against those bigger guard teams like Tally was talking about, I think we're going to have a good shot in those next three to kind of come out of that two and one.

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100%.

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All right.

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Now, one team that plays in Castle Coliseum on a daily basis, there is no question that they're going to be in the tournament this year.

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And we all saw it.

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But what a win against the number three ranked Wolfpack on the other day with Kittley making that buzzer beater.

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We know we lost to Iowa and LSU, but we talked on this program.

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This team still is a legitimate national championship contender.

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They had a lot of new pieces coming in, and then it started coming together.

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And I saw the end of that game.

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That's it.

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I'll put my hands up.

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I didn't get to watch the rest of it.

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But, I mean, is there much more to say about the Lady Hokies?

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Because they're a top-ten team.

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It's not even a question.

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Yeah, I mean, they got star power with the top couple of players, Georgia and Kittley.

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You got star power there, which is what the TV likes.

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And then when it comes down to coaching, I think Kenny's doing a good job of coaching them and bringing the right people in and piecing the team together after losing a couple of people from that Final Four team.

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So like you said, I mean, you know that's a –

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a deep tournament team.

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I don't know how deep they go.

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Of course, that comes down to March Madness, but the way that they're playing and the way that they persevere, I mean, they've lost to two very good teams.

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If not the top two teams, I mean, they're up there.

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So they just got to get over that hump to be able to beat those teams.

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You know, I say that and then you'll get put against a 16 seed and then be struggling.

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But you know what I'm saying?

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Like those top teams that they've lost to that.

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That's where we were kind of OK.

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Can we can we get over that hump and beat them?

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And then they play the number three team.

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You know, it is at home, but.

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He went on a buzzer beater.

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So did you get over the hump?

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Maybe.

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We won that game, so we'll see.

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I'm excited for them, though, man.

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I mean, I'm excited that they got some momentum and some good stuff going.

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I'd love to see them have a deep tournament run this year.

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Shem, what you got on them?

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Yeah, I think it was a great win.

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I thought NC State early on hit some tough shots, but Georgia was off her game in the first half, but she kept going at it, and eventually their shots started to fall for her.

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And they went on, well, I think it was a 12-0 run towards the end of the fourth quarter, and

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came up with a good win.

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So, you know, all in all, I think Vegas nailed it.

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Tech was one-point favorites, 1.5-point favorites, and they won by one.

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So credit to Vegas for that one.

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But, you know, you look at their two losses this year.

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Iowa was a close game on a neutral court that could have gone either way.

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LSU, I think, was just a really, really bad matchup.

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I mean, we just got outmatched physically completely in that game.

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Weird timing, too.

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Angel Reese coming back was a huge emotional output for LSU that night, too.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, yeah, I think, you know, after the LSU game, I was kind of worried if maybe like they were kind of like just a fringe top 20 team.

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But as Kenny has talked about all season long, you know, he's still trying to figure out his pieces and how they kind of fit together.

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And as you've seen throughout the course of the year, they've started to gel a little bit more.

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So I think right now, as Curtis was saying, they're definitely kind of on that cusp of the top 10.

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And I feel I feel a lot more confident about this team right now than I do, you know, three, four weeks ago.

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Brian, what you got?

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Yeah, I think they're getting together at the right time, starting to play a little bit better overall.

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I think the big thing is that you're seeing those other pieces be able to kind of bridge those gaps when Georgia may be a little off from deep or Kittley may not be hitting some of those turnarounds or post-ups.

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They can weather that storm a little bit better right now than they did in the early part of the year.

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So I think that's really big.

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You're seeing those pieces kind of gel and step into a larger role on the team.

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All righty.

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So, again, that was also the Wolfpack's first loss of the season there.

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So huge win on the basketball front.

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As we're coming on during the offseason for football, we'll be hitting on basketball and wrestling here and there.

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Wrestling got a big one against Cornell this weekend.

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I'm sure the ACC won't broadcast because, you know, it's only two top ten teams wrestling-wise.

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They don't know how to broadcast anything, so I digress.

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But let's go to the big college football news of the day before we talk about the bowl game.

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And my wife actually said this.

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Hey, before you go into football, y'all see Joe's comment right there.

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Put that up.

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Yep.

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So I called him one day.

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and was just talking to him about wrestling.

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Again, I told y'all, if you got questions about wrestling, he's the person to go to.

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He does keep up with it, and he can break it down a little bit better for people like me.

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He was telling me, hey, they're missing some people.

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This person is hurt, or this person, they're trying to hold them out, or they were on some kind of, I don't know what it's called, but some kind of tour where they're doing an Olympic thing and blah, blah, blah.

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He told me that the kid

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Cooper Flynn, he was like, they got to bring him back and see if they can save the season.

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He has been balling since he's been back.

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I think Joe said he's number four at the 125 pounder right now.

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That's been kind of when you know what's going on and you get to watch something unfold like that, that's pretty cool.

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I just wanted to bring some attention to that.

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Sorry, go ahead, Curtis.

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Oh, no worries, man.

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No worries.

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Again, I think he had a pretty big win against Mizzou because the Mizzou, we lost the duel, but I think it was 10 matches split 5-5.

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Again, that's wrestling and all that weird point stuff.

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I know Sheldon's getting into it more and more.

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We got Joe out there.

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We got our buddy Dave Fuqua who can explain things to me.

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But, you know, that is what it is.

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But let's get to the news of the day.

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Tally doesn't have the barricades up yet.

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He might not be able to go to work tomorrow.

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They might be calling a moratorium down in the state of Alabama.

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State holiday, man.

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It's a state holiday.

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Flags at half-mast and everything.

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It's a morning day.

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But my wife actually said it a few weeks ago.

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She's like, Nick Saban's going to retire after these bowl games.

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I looked and sure as hell she nailed it.

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Nick Saban retires.

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And so the college football world is now who takes over Alabama.

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Why is he doing this?

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Why he's doing it.

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He's got nothing left to prove.

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He's 72 years old.

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He has a plethora of national titles.

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He is considered maybe the greatest coach of all time that can be decided here or there or a whole nother category.

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But I'm going to turn it to Tally, because Tally, did you work today in the office?

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And were you still in the office when the news break was at 4 o'clock?

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Oh, yeah.

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What happened?

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Let's hear it.

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Oh, yeah, I was definitely still at work.

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And when ESPN sends you something, you know, that's the real deal.

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You know, because I get people that always we screw with each other and stuff like that.

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But ESPN hits me with something.

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I'm like, oh, they're probably talking about, you know, because I'm doing training right now.

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And it's just all looking at the computer all day and Zoom calls and things like that.

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So look down at my phone just real quick.

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And I think and it says retiring.

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And I'm like, Brett Proffin to retire already.

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You know, so I opened it up and it says Nick Saban retiring.

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I'm like, wow.

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So I went straight to Facebook and start poking people and calling around and people's calling me and there was no more work done for the day.

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But in one of my friend groups, you know, 90% Alabama fans don't want to spread any false information.

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But somebody said that they think that his wife is sick.

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is one of the reasons why she got diagnosed with dementia, I think they said.

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Don't know how true that is.

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Could just be somebody trying to cope.

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But whatever the case is, like you said, he doesn't have anything to prove.

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I do screw with Alabama fans and try to piss them off.

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But he's one of the greatest coaches that's ever coached college football.

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So the 17 years that he's been at Alabama,

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He's been nothing short of amazing.

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In the last two years, he's lost three games, something like that.

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I mean, what else does he have to do?

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But it's changing too much for him, and he just got out.

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Yeah, I think there's no doubt that he's the best recruiting head coach of all time.

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I don't think that's a debate.

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I think he's the best team-building head coach of all time.

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You can argue from an X's and O's standpoint, but in terms of preparation for a game, when he's got time –

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I mean, it's hard to bet against Saban.

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I mean, the loss to Michigan is something that you just don't see very often by a Nick Saban team, even with what some would consider a talent discrepancy of this year's Alabama compared to this year's Michigan.

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Nick Saban just did not lose very many games where he had multiple weeks to prepare.

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It's true, right?

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Very true.

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Sean, what's your take on this?

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Well, for me, I think Nick Saban is a truly game-changing head coach.

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You know, you look at back in the late 2000s, you know, he really kind of started that support staff model where if you go, I mean, go look at the Alabama staff directory.

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They just have, you know...

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dozens and dozens of an army of support staffers and analytics guys.

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And, and that model really helped them, you know, kind of build, build the program into what they are.

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And I think on top of that, you know, Saban for me, it's not about the X's and O's really.

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It's more about the, the program management, the, the infrastructure, the culture building, that's kind of where he's kind of made his, his living and people want to work for him because they want to play for that culture.

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So I just think for, I think it's,

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He really taught me a lot about football in the modern day because he impressed upon me the importance of having infrastructure with football to to not only, you know, recruit the best players, but also maximize the talent of the players that you do have.

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You know, there was a time a few years ago where, you know, I thought that that Alabama was just, you know, more talented than everyone else.

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And that's why they won games.

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But really, you know, when you look at something like that, when when I was running some of my development numbers, it's.

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Alabama gets more out of their talent than almost any of their team.

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They recruit really good players, but they also maximize those players more than anyone else because that's just what Nick Saban does.

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So I think it's just a case study in how much the culture, the program, the administration matters for football.

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Obviously, you've got to have the right people in charge.

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But there's just so much that goes into that program.

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And Alabama funds and supports football in a very unique way that ultimately made Saban the perfect fit.

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And there's really no one that has done it better than he has.

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You play harder when you're playing for that Hellcat as well.

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By the way, Tally, is it any coincidence that Dodge cancels the charge or Nick Saban retires like three days later, man?

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People have been sending it to me, man.

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It's a lot of stuff going around down here.

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I don't know what to think about it, man.

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I'm just trying to sit back.

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I'm trying to keep my head on the swivel.

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It's like a couple of things that you don't really talk about at work here.

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It's like politics, religion, and Alabama and Auburn football.

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You can talk about any other teams, but those two, you got to keep your head on the swivel.

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You don't know who you're going to piss off.

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Shout out to Tricky Nicky.

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You know, you got Alabama fans yelling they're getting Lane Kiffin.

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Okay, that was my next question.

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Who do you think they're getting?

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You think they're getting Lane Kiffin?

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I don't know, man.

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Lane's such a wild card.

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I can see him.

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I can say the people in Tuscaloosa love Lane because I think they call him something.

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They call him because he's so crazy.

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He's got a nickname.

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Something like Joey Freshwater or something like that.

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Don't quote me, but you can look that up.

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He's got a nickname.

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I think it's Joey Freshwater, but they said he would tell the young girls at the bars that's what his name was.

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So, like, he just does crazy shit.

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And the people in Tuscaloosa, that's what it is.

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It's Joey Freshwater.

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It's Joey Freshwater.

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They connect with him because, I mean, he, you know, Saban had him on a leash when he was there.

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Like, he couldn't talk to the media.

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He couldn't do none of the shit that he does to be himself.

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So, if he does come back, he would be coming back like, okay, this is me.

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I'm going to do what I want to do.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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But, you know, for a while it was like Dabo was the guy to take over.

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But they don't want Dabo now because Dabo is – his inefficiencies is what Nick's inefficiencies is.

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Like, Nick, he was changing with the game.

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That's what made him great.

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But Dabo kind of refuses to do that, and he's not using the portal, and they don't want to lose.

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So I think Dabo's image is kind of tainted, and he's one of –

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He's one of theirs.

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So I would go against saying Dabo.

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I would probably say they would go hard after Lane Kiffin or Oregon's coach.

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All right.

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Dan Lane.

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Dan Lane, yeah.

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I would say those two would probably be the ones I would be looking out for.

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Brian, you got any difference or other people you thinking about?

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Dan Lanning is probably at the top of my list.

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I'm with Tally.

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I don't think it's Dabo.

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Dabo took until late 2023 to actually make an offer in the portal.

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He did not secure that offer, but he finally made an offer this year in the portal.

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It's amazing how someone that from a standpoint of

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kind of revamping what Clemson was doing from an infrastructure standpoint is not embracing the portal at this point in time.

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It's baffling.

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Like, why is that the hill he wants to die on?

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Good question.

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Good question.

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Sean, what about you?

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I think Alabama needs to hire a head coach who is forward-thinking and also very serious.

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Like Tally said, Lane Kiffin's kind of a wild card.

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You don't know what he's up to.

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Dabo was reluctant to embrace transfer portal at NIL.

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I think Dan Lanning, based on those two qualities, is the best candidate.

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I mean, he's done a really good job at Oregon in a short amount of time.

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He's been with Kirby Smart at Georgia, so he's learned from his structure as well.

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I think Lanning would be the best candidate, personally.

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Yeah, and it seems like it's going that way.

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He does have the highest buyout on this, but I think there's a point that should be made is money probably doesn't matter down there.

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This is not quite Texas-level buyouts, but this is kind of that second tier, right?

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It's kind of the second tier.

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And if you take a look at him, he was a GA at Alabama back in 2015, and then when Kirby moved over to Georgia, he followed –

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after two years down at Memphis under Norvell before he went over to Oregon.

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Again, success there in his first couple seasons.

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I mean, I think 20-5 or something ridiculous like that.

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22-5, excuse me.

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I missed a couple wins there.

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But it's always that piece.

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Do you want to be the guy after the guy?

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No, you don't.

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You don't.

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You fucking don't.

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Can you tell me who was the coach after Darryl Brown?

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Not in Tuscaloosa.

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know he probably wasn't fucking good and they probably hated his guts because if you go to Tuscaloosa this next year and you lose two games they gonna be on your ass his names was everybody was saying they was Dion fans at the beginning of this season I said fucking get Dion down there y'all wanted him so bad you was buying Colorado shit

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That ain't going to happen.

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You know that can't happen.

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You know why?

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No.

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I know why.

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The brothers can't transfer, and Travis Hunter can't transfer again because they get the one-time done.

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We don't know that because there's a moratorium on that right now.

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No, no, no.

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The moratorium's over.

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It's 14 days.

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It ended already.

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Okay, okay.

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But here's the sneaky piece, and we all are like in Lanning, and we say Lane's a wild card.

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Y'all know when class officially starts at Ole Miss?

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Yeah.

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January 22nd.

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That means none of those players that he got in the portal have enrolled at all.

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And that's going to also be a huge story.

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So hopefully by two weeks from now when we're back together, either interviewing somebody or talking about some stuff, we get to find out more and we know who the coach is.

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Oh, yeah.

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I think they're going to get somebody in pretty quick.

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They have to.

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Because they don't want to – they've already got a couple of kids that's

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They lost out, too.

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Because, I mean, there's been some speculation about Nick leaving or him getting old.

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So you had a couple of kids that flipped to Auburn, which was crazy, which I understand because I like Hugh Freeze.

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But you had a couple of high-level wide receivers that were Alabama commits.

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One was a Texas A&M commit, and one was an Alabama commit.

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And they flipped to Auburn.

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And then you had another kid who was a 25 kid.

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all of them from the state of Alabama, 25-kid Ryan Williams from a school here called Saryland that was committed to Alabama.

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He reclassified for the 24-year, and he just decommitted.

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So Nick Saban retiring is a big domino, man.

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And like you said, I mean, if you have somebody like Elaine Kiffin that goes –

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And then those kids start transferring.

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And then these kids from Alabama start transferring out.

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Then you got to bring somebody back into this next school that a coach leaves from.

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I just hope it all works out in Virginia Tech's favor.

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Just get me nine, 10 wins next year, man.

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Let's just keep going up.

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Let's keep it rolling.

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Well, let's talk some Virginia Tech football and let's tell the truth Tuesday Bowl edition.

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Yes, it has been two weeks.

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It feels like forever.

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I feel like I've watched 100 games since then.

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But let's talk about that bowl victory.

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Virginia Tech beats the number 21-ranked Tulane Green Wave 41-21.

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Excuse me, 41-17.

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It actually was – excuse me, 41-20, and we'll get the score right eventually here.

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That was there.

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Math is a fish.

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Yeah, it is, man.

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It is.

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It is, boys.

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But let's talk about that game and –

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What we always do, I don't think we're going to be as in-depth because there's nothing after this, right?

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But let's talk about it.

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Sheldon, in your eyes, what went well in the press box, waving the condensation off the screen?

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What went well that Wednesday afternoon?

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I think drones ran the ball very well.

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You know, they were able to to open some holes on the O-line.

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And I know the O-line has received much criticism this year, but, you know, they were really kind of moving some guys around.

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I mean, it wasn't just like drones kind of scrambling for his life or going around the tackles like they actually went.

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You know, they went up, you know, towards the A and B gaps in between the tackles and got some had some a lot of success for some of those runs.

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So I thought I thought that went pretty well.

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I thought they kind of hit some big run plays with Tootin going outside.

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Defense was pretty solid.

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They gave up some drives.

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They gave up some yards, but they were fortunate that Tulane fumbled a few footballs and got on top of those.

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So I think the rain, the conditions kind of made it a little bit hard to judge, as you guys could certainly see on TV if you were not there.

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It was just as, if not more, wet than you think it was.

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But, yeah, I mean, they just kind of, you know, brought out the road gritter offensive line, and they just – it was a field day, man.

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They were just running the ball all over the place.

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Brian, what about you?

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What went well in your eyes as you were watching it there at the house?

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Yeah, I think just the team intensity.

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I feel like they stuck with it the whole time.

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They looked like they were on a mission to win that game.

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They didn't let those sudden changes with the fumbles, with the weather causing some of those problems get them off track.

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They were able to answer.

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And eventually the talent...

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took over at the end of the game that's when you saw that defense wearing out for two lane that's when we were able to as long as we were able to hold on to the football we were able to finish drives put up points and put them in a bad spot so i think the team intensity was was the most impressive thing for me tally what about you well i know you i know your dad was around when your son was getting hurt and everything

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Or was it before?

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Was it after?

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No, it was before.

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Yeah, it was before.

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All right, so not as stressful on your mind.

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What went well in your eyes as you were watching it?

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Well, even before the game is what went well.

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Like the whole team being there, everybody showing up and being prepared to play.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like I think it said we had 21 of 22 starters that was in the bowl game.

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You know, that's huge.

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I don't know many teams that were out there in a meaningless bowl game that had that many players show up ready to play.

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So, you know, having all of our guys there that was ready to compete.

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We had some of our recruits that are coming in that's enrolling early, practicing at the bowl practice like that's what.

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getting to a bowl does for a team like Virginia Tech.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Some people's like, oh, it's just six and six.

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And you know what that means?

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Well, for a program that's trying to, you know, find its footing, that's a big thing to be able to sell to a recruit.

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Hey, you can come and get your, you know, get some reps in with some great college players, some all ACC players, some, you know, think about Chaz Wiggins going and

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working out with the team for the bowl prep.

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Then he goes and plays in the All-American Bowl and shows out.

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He does show out.

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Builds up his stock because I'm sure that when he's practicing against the likes of Dorian Strong and Montserrat Delane and

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Dante Lovett and Braylon Johnson is different than who he's been playing in high school.

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So when he just went to the bowl game and was working out against those kids, it's like, okay, this is business as usual.

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Everybody's good.

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So that's what I think went good, just having the whole team there.

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And I'll go back to what Sheldon said when he said, you know, we had people moving people and running the ball.

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It was like –

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I text y'all and was like, what are we doing?

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Just run the ball.

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They cannot stop.

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They can't stop us running the ball.

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Like, we kept trying to throw it, and Kyron's, you know, his release is a little different.

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It's kind of long at the bottom, and he kept losing it at the bottom and things like that.

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It's like...

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You don't even got to do that.

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Just run it.

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They're not going to be able to stop you because of the wet weather.

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And like Shub said, our offensive line actually looked like they wanted to be mean and push some people around, and we did.

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So those things was good to see.

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Yeah, 100%, especially that run game.

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You know, 362 yards on the ground on 50 runs, two and over 100.

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Drone's over 100.

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I love to see – I'm a third down preacher.

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I know Shelton's against it because he believes first and second's more important.

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That's right.

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But when you get to third down and you go nine of 16 over 50% on third and fourth downs, obviously with a – they had 25 total first downs.

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So 16 before they had to get to third down, they converted on.

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And then nine more.

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You're going to win a lot of games doing that.

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You just –

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But the other thing I got to say, we know Daquan Wright in the portal.

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I don't know where he's landed yet.

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I had not had a chance to look at that.

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But to see St.

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Germain and Benji Gosnell play out there, both make a couple touchdown grabs.

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St.

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Germain could have had two, but he dropped one.

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It was lovely seeing that.

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Yeah.

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It was just to have a bowl win.

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The place, I know, Sheldon, you were there.

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It was loud.

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It was probably 85-15 Hokies.

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The tailgates were packed as soon as they opened.

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Apparently the Port-A-Johns were a few and far between.

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Oh, they were terrible.

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There was not enough Port-A-Johns there at all.

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Shout out.

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Met Matt Neal at the game near the Port-A-Johns.

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It was pretty funny.

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But –

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It was like Tally said.

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It was everything.

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It was everything.

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It was not only the game, but the post, the pre, and the fans themselves.

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Not everything was perfect, though.

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We did fumble the ball quite a few times, which I didn't like to see.

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But also considering the circumstances, Sheldon, it's not a shock because we fumbled.

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Tulane fumbled.

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We got on more of theirs than they did of ours.

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And, I mean, it's to be expected in a game like that, especially starting about late second quarter through the early part of the fourth quarter.

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It was pouring.

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Mm-hmm.

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yeah i think the thing you know the thing that with the with the turnovers there um you know we ended up winning the battle uh overall they got us on one that hurt hurt more just because it was a scoop and score so you know that probably balances out on the whole um you know they got they got the score we got a couple more uh you know turnovers there that put us in good good situations so

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I think the fumbles were bad.

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They were to be expected.

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I think some of the drops were also to be expected, but I felt like we never could really get into rhythm in the passing game.

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They were a little more successful on that front than we were, but I think overall our defense kind of did a better job of playing them balanced and keeping them off kilter a little bit, whereas we were able to kind of lean on our run game and kind of keep the drives moving. 100%.

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Anything else, Tally Sheldon, went bad that y'all just did not like to see?

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Steven Gosnell getting hurt.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty bad.

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Any report come out on him yet?

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I don't think so.

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I've heard that he could be back.

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I heard he was on mid-spring, but, again, that's nothing official.

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I don't know what the official injury is.

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Joe, did you hear anything on Steven?

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I've heard late spring, early summer is kind of the window that we're looking at.

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Hey.

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Chance and Brody are already on campus.

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Give them some reps, baby.

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Give them some reps.

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The other thing that I'll say, and it's still – we're going to talk about maybe a potential fix of this later, was we didn't have bad run fits, but we had some, eh, run fits.

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And I know they're running backs.

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Makai Hughes is a good running back.

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But a couple times we just – and I know the weather's weird.

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It's just like I had like those flashbacks to those early season games when the fits were really bad.

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Like, oh, no, here we go again.

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Luckily they were meh, not bad.

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Let's go to this.

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I'm going to skip anything you have word prepared for because it's a bowl game.

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All sorts of crazy shit happens.

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But think about this going into 2024.

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And, Sheldon, I'll let you lead this, man.

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What can we do better going into 2024?

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Just high level based off what we saw on this game.

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I mean, I think linebacker play is the biggest thing.

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You know, I was talking to this with a coach in front of me, and I think, you know, probably obviously went on and got the Mike linebacker from MTSU.

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And I think the reason for that was because he just – he wants players at that position that have the instincts.

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I think this year we just –

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didn't really have the necessary instincts at that position.

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If you look at small details like how they take their first step and how they react to the flow of the ball.

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Obviously, if you play, you know that being a linebacker is all about reading keys.

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So you read certain keys based on how the guards and the centers are moving in certain ways.

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And we just didn't get enough good play from those guys this season.

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So I would presume they're probably done with portal as far as linebackers go.

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But I just think they got to really shore that unit up because it's obviously a very critical position.

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And so if you figure you can get the D-line straight, which they have, you've got two lockdown corners.

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Hopefully the safeties are a little bit better with the experience you got coming back.

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I mean, the linebacker is kind of that one missing piece for the defense.

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So, I mean, you just got to get that figured out.

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All right, linebacker play.

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Tally, what about you?

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Yeah, similar to what, I mean, having some – I don't know the last time that Virginia Tech had –

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this many people come back or any people come back.

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It seems like every year that we had people eligible to leave, they leave.

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Whether it be going to the league, going all the way back to the tie rod years, people leaving and going to the NFL and things like that.

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Having all those guys come back was awesome.

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Just get us prepared to go into 2024, but

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you know, to kind of piggyback on what Shelton said, that one group that has you kind of worried is, well, not even just the group, just the middle period, you know, the middle of the line.

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They went out and addressed that.

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The middle of the linebacker corps, they went out and addressed that.

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You know, I think that, you know, I don't –

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I'm still a little skeptical about safety because I know we have some pieces that we can use there.

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But I don't quite know who's going to be there.

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Is Sherman going to be healthy?

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You know, I don't know what he's done to himself and who they're going to put by him.

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I know we got some young people.

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But going out and getting Brumfield made me feel a lot better.

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I can say that.

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So I'm excited about – because, I mean, in the skill positions we got –

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You load it.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like you got a lot of options there that you can play with.

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So I guess the only thing that could have went better if we had Peyton Wilson or something.

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There you go.

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That would have been nice, right?

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That would have been nice.

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All righty.

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Brian?

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I mean, the offensive line podcast, right?

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Let's get better on the O-line.

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And I think we finished the season a lot better than we started it overall.

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We saw some run lanes open.

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Some of that was a product of drones just being the starter.

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Some of that was a product of Bowen playing to drones' strength and the strength of the other skilled players in the offense.

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But some of that was improved offensive line play over the course of the season.

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But it was still inconsistent, especially when we play those higher caliber teams.

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We need to be able to win or at least stalemate in the trenches against a Louisville, against a Florida State, against an NC State.

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We didn't do that great down the stretch against those caliber teams.

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So I'd like to see that improve in 2024.

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I think...

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We got a guy in there.

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I'd like to see one more at least between now and the start of fall camp.

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I'd like to see at least one more.

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Don't bring nobody in.

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Don't bring no fucking Frady in there.

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He might be good.

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If he couldn't get in this year, he ain't getting in next year.

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Can I say something?

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Actually, all four of us have mentioned this during some way.

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What I want to see better moving forward is the games where we annihilated people.

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Tulane, we won by 21.

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Syracuse.

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I want the coaches to bring that mentality to every single game.

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We talked about it, like the FSU and Louisville and the NC State games.

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We were kind of like, oh, wait, wait, wait.

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We don't need that.

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Yeah, we went in with that shell shock mode.

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Shell shock mode.

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And I think maybe they've now experienced it, right?

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Experience is one thing that you cannot teach, is going through those experiences.

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And one thing Brent Pryor said to us on this program, I am constantly evaluating myself.

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I'm constantly evaluating what we do while we do it.

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And there were some changes, obviously, this offseason.

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before leading up to the fall break.

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We got to a bowl game.

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I think this is a coaching staff that will look at that, and for those big games, I think there is going to be a different mentality, and that's what I want to see better.

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I want to say, too, just that, you know, that brought you saying that.

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I thought about something.

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I talked to Don V earlier on the phone, and he said something that I thought was pretty cool, pretty profound for his analysis and what he thinks.

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Okay, we play Clemson next year, right?

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Like, Clemson is us.

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I don't want a special jersey.

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I don't want them to be telling me Michael Vick's in the audience.

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I don't want them to put on anything.

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We need to go out there, and I think the way Don put it was, go out there in white pants and a maroon jersey at 3.30 and just go beat them.

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Like, they are us.

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They are the same.

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Like, if there is a talent...

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you know, talent level discrepancy is they're not going to be very far.

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Like they're not going to be that much ahead of us next year when we play them.

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We just got to go into those games and just go play.

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Like when Duke went and played a lot of teams, just business, like when Elko had Duke going and playing teams and it was just,

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They just went and played.

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Like, they didn't have to get up for it.

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It wasn't a special production or anything like that.

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Like, we just got to go play, no matter who it is.

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You know, I feel like on some of those games, like FSU or, you know, Louisville or whoever the teams might be, it's like, oh, you know, they're this and we got to get this and they've been doing this.

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And it's like we're trying to –

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play this underdog role when we're the same teams.

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These aren't teams that's been stomping us for the last

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however many years, you know.

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Clemson's been beating us in the last couple of years that we've played them, but it's like now that's not the same Clemson.

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Nope, not at all.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So we just got to go play, and I hope they – like you said, that next year we got to go with that business mindset.

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You got to go and just go play the teams and go beat them because we're going to be as good as just about everybody that we play.

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You know what I'm saying?

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We're going to be better than everybody, but we're going to be close as far as talent goes.

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Yep.

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Talent's no longer here to here.

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It's kind of like here to here even with the top teams in the ACC.

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Right.

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And then you look at certain positions, you can say we're more talented than them there.

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Right.

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We're more talented than them.

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All right, real quick, let's talk about the CFP International Championship.

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Michigan beats Washington on Monday night.

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Some people were crapping on the game.

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To me, it was a –

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If you like new age football, you didn't like it because it was low score and people were hitting shit out of each other, tackling, drop passes.

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But let's go back to January 1st.

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Was that not like the best set of New Year's games maybe in a decade?

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I mean –

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I took off January 2nd, and I'm taking January 2nd off probably for the next 10 years because I know my ass is going to be up until midnight watching the end of the Sugar Bowl.

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But, you know, of the three games we saw, and I know Monday's a little bit different, but what was your favorite, Shelton, just to watch analytically, aesthetically?

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What was your favorite game to watch of these three?

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Of these three, I would say, well, definitely Washington, mainly because I just love watching Michael Penix throw the football.

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I mean, just has a beautiful ball, so composed in the pocket.

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And I was kind of rooting for Washington also, just because they're sort of like, you know, the kind of the scrappy underdog.

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And I love Kalen Boer's story of coming up from the, you know, the ranks of the NAIA or wherever he was and,

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you know, going 67-3 at Sioux Falls and coming to Fresno State and then kind of just working his way up the chain.

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So I love stories like that.

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But, yeah, I mean, Michigan was – I thought they were the best team in the country the whole season, regardless of signs stealing or not.

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And that turned out to be the case.

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They just had no – nobody had an answer for their defense or their running game, really.

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Tally, what was your favorite game of these three?

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I mean, it was a couple – the Alabama – the Alabama –

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Michigan game was pretty good.

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I enjoyed watching that game.

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But, like, I don't know.

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Just the whole thing, I guess.

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You know, just watching all of the games was pretty entertaining.

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I wanted to be a rebel and protest, not watch any of them.

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Because I don't give a shit how good the games are.

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I wanted Florida State to be in there just because I thought that was the right thing to do.

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But, I mean, it was some good games.

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But I was thinking the whole time I was watching them, Georgia's better than these teams that are playing.

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Still think Georgia would have beat a lot of the teams that was in there.

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I mean, I don't know.

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They probably wouldn't have beat Michigan.

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That would be a good game.

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But I feel like they could have beat the other three teams.

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Ron?

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You know, I think looking at the games on January 1st were interesting because I feel like you got kind of a contrast in styles.

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You had a very more modern offense, offensive performance with Texas and Washington.

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Definitely a battle in the trenches with Bama and Michigan.

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Michigan just was so impressive because they won in the trenches on both sides of the ball in every game they played in the college football playoff.

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And it wasn't close, really, in any of them.

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That was the first team I've seen go against Bama and be that decidedly better in the trenches against an Alabama team.

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It's true.

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It really shouldn't have been as close as it was with how well they were playing in the trenches.

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It's 100% true, and that's why that was my favorite game because it was – you talked about it being – the second game was the modern-day game, and it was, but that – the Rose Bowl, to me, that setting, the sunset, and it was a war.

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It was an absolute war where Sugar Bowl's a little different.

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Texas kind of fought back.

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But it's something about two teams just literally locking horns, battling, hitting.

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It's like everybody – there's an answer, there's an answer.

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And then right at the end – and I know everybody's giving the Alabama OC shit about that play call about it was an RPO and he should have thrown it.

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Number five pushed 65 into Jalen Monroe's leg.

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That's why that play didn't fucking work.

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So, Shelton, you said it all year.

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Brian, Tally, y'all played in them.

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The trenches cost Alabama that game.

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Because when five pushed 65 into Monroe's leg, he wasn't going to be able to make the pass.

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And when he hit his leg, he wasn't going to be able to cut and get to the outside where he had a chance to score.

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And that was a beautiful game.

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All righty.

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Now back to the episode.

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And we are back.

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And to kick off the second half of our episode, because he was unable to join us on State of the Program this year, we are going to give Shelton the floor.

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He's got some things he wants to talk about.

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And y'all, if you did not read Shelton's article on the key play just a few weeks, please go and read that article.

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That is one of the best pieces of work considering Virginia Tech football concerning football.

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the way the staff's going.

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Sheldon, you did a hell of a job with that, man.

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I'm glad you waited to the end of the season.

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I'm really glad you waited to the end of the season on that.

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But you've got some stuff you want to talk about, about where we are as far as the program goes.

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So the floor is yours.

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Yes, well, it was certainly the tale of two seasons, the 2023 Hokies, Jekyll and Hyde.

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What a turnaround from where they were after that Marshall loss, talking about, you know, 80-something in SP+, and, you know, they moved up.

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They were one of the most improved teams by the end of the season.

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So, you know, I had a few graphics and tweets I wanted to share, if we could get those up kind of as we go along.

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The first one, so I tweeted this after the regular season and Power 5 teams that won conference games by three possessions.

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Seven ranked teams plus Virginia Tech.

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I think Texas was in there too now, but they also had an extra game.

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So some context there.

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But it was a really, it was just, it was weird how tech was in this company of such elite teams that finished the year ranked.

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And if we could go to a graphic one, which is the conference margin of victory, which is also very impressive tech beat up on their conferences by a lot as well, as we'll see in a second here.

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Yeah.

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I think I can pull it up there.

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Yep.

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So we got there.

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So largest margin of victory in conference games this year, Tech was right around 8.3, which was pretty good.

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So the one thing, again, with every single team on this list besides Tech, what they have in common, they all finished a year ranked.

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And even if you go past Tech, some of the teams below that, like NC State and Oregon State, they're in the top 25 for most of the year.

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So

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Basically, you've got, you know, these 20 or so teams that are all, you know, ranked or spent most of the year ranked.

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And then Virginia Tech.

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It is sort of like such a crazy outlier how well they performed in conference compared to, you know, the non-conference portion of the season.

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And obviously there was a huge delta between, you know, what they did against teams that they should have beaten, so to speak, versus teams that they, you know, were not expected to beat like NC State and Louisville.

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So I think for me, you know, my...

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My lasting memory of this team would just be how polarizing, I guess, they were, for lack of a better term.

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I felt like when they played, you know, subpar teams like Boston College or UVA, that was when their skilled players really kind of were able to shine and sort of, you know,

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exert their talent, so to speak.

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But when they played, obviously, much, you know, mature experience in talented teams like Louisville, Florida State, I think that was where you saw the opposite line problems really start to kind of rear their ugly head.

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But as Brian talked about, you know, the O-line did get better throughout the course of the season.

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And once you, you know, you take those talented skill guys, combine them with an O-line that's, you know, improving, a quarterback that's also improving, it made for a really good recipe.

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And if we go to the final graphic here, graphic two...

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which is a year two improvement for power five head coaches.

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So this was another article I did for the key play where I looked at coaching hires of the power five over the past 10 years or so.

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And in doing this, I found that Brent Prye comparing year one to year two was the fifth most improved coach in year two for any power five team.

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And you look at some of the names on this list.

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Lance Leopold's done a fantastic job at Kansas.

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Kirby Smart name speaks for itself.

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Jonathan Smith, he was great at Oregon State.

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David Randa, Steve Sarkisian, Mike Leach, all very good coaches.

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So, you know, there's some there's some misses in there, but I think that's a really good company to be in.

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And that's what should give tech fans the most amount of confidence for what this program is capable of going forward.

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I really enjoyed doing the research on that piece because it sort of shed a light on lots of.

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um maybe dispelling some myths about coaching hires and kind of you know how you sort of evaluate progress and where to sort of use that barometer so what i found was that year one for a head coach a new head coach in power five was not really predictive of how well their hire was going to turn out but year two was extremely predictive so when we talk about

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you know, new hires and rebuilding and, you know, how are they doing year one, year two, you know, you look at Mike Elko at Duke or Deion Sanders at Colorado, really it's year two.

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That's kind of like the make or break.

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If you're not successful in year two, it's not going to work out.

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If you are, you know, you need to be at least steadily improving.

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And I think year three is where most coaches would say, okay,

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that's where you kind of need to get the ball rolling.

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And I think tech has a really prime opportunity to do that this this next season.

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So as Curtis talked about, you know, in my last piece, it was called Why Culture Matters that I wrote for the key play.

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And my biggest takeaway was that I think I think

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When you look at this team, it's clear that players want to play for Brent Prye.

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We didn't have barely any opt-outs.

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Most of them were pretty unconsequential.

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Guys wanted to come back.

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They're coming back next year.

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And obviously, NIL money is a huge part of that.

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I'm not denying that at all.

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But it's a really good culture.

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And I think culture is so important when we talk about it.

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It's kind of like a buzzword.

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But when you really get down to it, it's the foundation for your program.

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If you don't have a good culture –

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You're not going to win football games.

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To me, things like scheme, X's and O's, those are all a byproduct of good culture and getting players bought in.

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And I've asked coaches this before.

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If you don't have buy-in from your players, nothing you say is going to work.

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It comes from buy-in, from leadership, from communication, and all those things really tie into...

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culture.

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And I think Brent probably has done a fantastic job of selling the foundation for this program.

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And I think there are some pretty good things ahead.

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Now tech obviously has high expectations.

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When you start winning games, you're going to raise the expectation level.

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It's really, really hard to, you know, to win nine, 10, 11 games with power five level.

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So we're going to see if they can get there.

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But I do think all the signs based on the, the trajectory of the program, the numbers, the eye test, all points to the fact that this is a really, really good thing that Virginia tech has going.

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Yeah.

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Beautiful, beautiful, Shelton, beautiful.

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And you talk about the returning players because – and I've got it outlined here because we had finally the last domino that fell.

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You're right.

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There are guys who could have left.

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There are guys who could have went their chances in the draft.

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All four of the wide receivers could have.

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They honestly could have.

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All four of them.

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Even Ollie with his – the small one.

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Nick Gallo, who would be a six-year guy.

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could maybe try the NFL or maybe just try life.

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Think about all that coming back.

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Look at that list.

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I know I've got it there out for y'all.

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Look how many guys that is.

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Six.

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That's ten.

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Ten starters.

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How many people can sit here and say every single one of these guys, nine of the ten who made significant contributions this year are back?

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It's a big deal.

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It's a big deal.

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And it's to your point, Sheldon, with that culture.

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And, again, you talk about how many times do we see the guys go in the portal?

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Sheldon, I know you mentioned, I think, in the article, if not you made some tweets about it, there's a guy going into the portal, but he's going to come back and play this game.

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And it's not only them, that person, wanting to come back and play.

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It's Brent Prye allowing it because there are so many coaches that do not allow it.

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And it just speaks to who he is as a coach.

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And, I mean –

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Like you said, I mean, next year it's, you know, we're going to have to be tempering expectations about seven months from now.

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Yeah.

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Seven months from now.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we had two players that had consequential production that are not going to be back next year.

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You got Derek Canteen, you got Daquan Wright.

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That's it.

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Everybody else is back.

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And then the additions in the portal and the lack of subtractions.

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I mean, we had Hunter McClain and Jack Holyfield who were basically – Hunter really didn't see the field.

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Jack was a backup offensive lineman, got snaps.

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You mentioned the two biggest ones.

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And then we talked about the middle linebacker, Brumfield, coming over in the portal.

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We didn't have a chance to break down his tape.

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But him coming in to solidify that room and then Kelvin Gillum with Peoples –

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This staff, and maybe it's not the staff.

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Maybe we need to get some credits to the analysts too, right?

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Because there are guys who are sitting in that room every day, and it's going to be their job to figure out who may be coming into portal, who fits what we do, who have we recruited before, where are the relationships.

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Give some credit to Villagrana as well and those guys behind the scenes.

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They are setting our portal acquisition game up for success.

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Whether we close the deal or not, that's on the coaching staff.

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That's on the other pieces.

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But when we look at what Colby put together for those offers that went out, there was a clear plan.

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It was hitting the notes that we wanted to hit, both from a player location standpoint, from a player position standpoint.

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They were hitting the ground running, and they had a plan, and they executed the plan.

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And we got more, I think, more than we expected to, especially on the defensive line side of it in the trenches.

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I think, as we said earlier, could still use a little bit of help on the offensive side.

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But we plugged the holes that absolutely needed to be plugged.

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And I think that's where you want to be sitting when you come out of that first round of the transfer portal is like, okay, we got these holes here.

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All right, let's plug them.

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Let's make sure that we're at least maintaining the status quo, if not improving on those positions.

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And I think we did that.

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Tally, I know you got something to say.

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Well, no, it's just, you know, even the last show we did, when we had, you know, the father of a couple of players and recruits on the show, and they talk about, you know,

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you know, how it works in the transfer portal, how it works during recruiting, you know, how the coaches are, you know, it, the going back to Shelton's point, the culture that they built

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is one that people are interested in in in getting to you know you talked about chris talk about chris brody's dad um him talking about you know why he was there on the big uh transfer portal weekend and how they treated those transfer kids that came in and rolled the red carpet out for him you know

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It's okay to get people on campus.

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We've got a lot of players on campus.

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Hell, I think it was three or four of them that was in that national championship game.

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But to get them to come and play for you, you know, that's big.

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So, like you said, they had a clear path that they wanted to go and do.

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They had a plan that they wanted to execute, and they seemed like they went out there and did it.

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And the culture that they're creating is making people –

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Look at Virginia Tech.

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I don't know I'm not in the room, but looking at how some things panned out, I mean, we had to turn some good players away.

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We just don't have room for them.

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So, I mean, that's a good problem to have to be like, sorry, we don't got room.

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And that feeds back to the culture, right?

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Because you don't have room because you had guys that could have left or could have did something else that have bought in that you want to keep that core together, right?

01:07:48.802 --> 01:07:50.183
They work well together.

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They fully bought in.

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You know, you want to make sure that you're trimming the fat as it were, but you also want to make sure that you're not –

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kicking guys to the curb that are an integral part of the culture that you've established, right?

01:08:04.013 --> 01:08:08.396
So I think that's another big part is that we're building upon that year to year.

01:08:09.757 --> 01:08:17.824
Just because guys are out there in the portal, just because they've shown that potential, you want to make sure that you've got the right guys and the right pieces together that maintain that culture

01:08:18.484 --> 01:08:42.263
push the scheme that you were trying to establish but also those pieces that work together well um you know from an individual ability standpoint too and i think we're starting to see all that kind of come together in jail um as we kind of move through the end of 2023 season uh these guys are working together really well and i think keeping that culture moving is just as important as the pieces that we added to kind of complement that

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Yeah, and we talk about the culture and they're building something and it's continuously being built and it's

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you take a look and you heard the people's and I got to, I listened to the people's interview that Matei and Evan and them did with him, Andrew Alex as well.

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I also listened to the Montavious Cunningham interview.

01:09:00.296 --> 01:09:02.377
Montavious Cunningham cracks me up.

01:09:02.437 --> 01:09:05.338
Tally, I feel like you need to interview him.

01:09:05.839 --> 01:09:07.059
We might just get you a one-on-one.

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Let's do it.

01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:14.122
He reminds me of Sergio Render so much hearing him talk at both from that South Georgia.

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And you know,

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But we're in a day and age of college football that X's and O's will always matter.

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You've got to have people that can do that.

01:09:25.554 --> 01:09:29.136
But we're in a place now where relationships matter probably more than ever.

01:09:29.536 --> 01:09:32.257
Like you talk about there are guys we couldn't let in this year.

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You want to make a bet, this staff, whoever was that lead primary recruiter in Brent Pryor, I guarantee you they're watching them, and I guarantee you if they see them make a good play, they get a text or send them an email or a DM to say, hey, you played good today, man.

01:09:46.061 --> 01:09:50.104
keeping that relationship going that maybe in two years, hey, we need that kid.

01:09:50.144 --> 01:09:51.425
I know he wants to be here.

01:09:51.905 --> 01:09:53.146
We can get him out of the portal.

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And I think these type guys, like this whole staff, has that.

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They have those personalities where they're not afraid.

01:10:02.272 --> 01:10:09.297
And we heard about it from Kevin Drones that legitimately Tyler Bowen got in a plane and flew to Waco.

01:10:10.137 --> 01:10:12.900
and was literally the first person there for Conrad.

01:10:13.140 --> 01:10:18.346
A guy who had started one game of his collegiate career, who was a redshirt freshman, did that.

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Says a lot.

01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:21.729
All righty.

01:10:21.889 --> 01:10:22.890
Anything else on this?

01:10:23.151 --> 01:10:25.813
Sheldon, portal stuff, guys returning.

01:10:25.853 --> 01:10:29.157
Anything else you want to hit before we kind of get ready to wrap this up?

01:10:31.414 --> 01:10:31.754
Yeah, man.

01:10:31.774 --> 01:10:33.777
I mean, look, like I said, the bar has been raised.

01:10:33.977 --> 01:10:36.379
So right now we're all feeling high.

01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:38.622
We're riding the highs after finishing six and three.

01:10:39.423 --> 01:10:46.931
But, you know, in order to get to the next level, it has to take sustained recruiting and, you know, just sustained really good coaching.

01:10:47.131 --> 01:10:52.237
And I think with Tech Schedule, they're set up really well to win bare minimum eight games next year, maybe nine.

01:10:52.897 --> 01:10:53.918
I'm not I'm not at 10 yet.

01:10:53.998 --> 01:10:56.960
But look, it's just it's just it's really, really hard to win.

01:10:57.040 --> 01:10:59.062
And that's that's something I stress over and over again.

01:10:59.162 --> 01:11:02.604
So I'm really excited for this team for for the future of the program.

01:11:03.145 --> 01:11:07.808
But in order to get to that to that level that we all wanted to get to, you know, it's going to require a lot of hard work.

01:11:07.848 --> 01:11:10.650
But I think the staff is is the right the right staff for the job.

01:11:12.381 --> 01:11:12.861
All right.

01:11:13.121 --> 01:11:16.043
Well, let's turn to some fun moments today, boys.

01:11:16.603 --> 01:11:23.786
Brian popped it out there a few days ago that we were going to pull some of our favorite plays from the year, and we have just that one.

01:11:24.326 --> 01:11:29.208
And, Brian, I think now I'm being on record of talking about it like three times now.

01:11:29.468 --> 01:11:29.868
At least.

01:11:30.268 --> 01:11:31.529
At least.

01:11:32.009 --> 01:11:38.452
But still, because of the importance of this play, it's the pit game, it's the touchdown, it's after the fumble, they're within one.

01:11:39.292 --> 01:11:49.578
And like I said to Kevin when we were all together, and Kevin, I hope you heard me say it the other night, Sheldon, when that fumble happened with Drones and they scored, it was like, ah, shit, we're about to lose the pit.

01:11:50.018 --> 01:11:51.519
In some way, we're going to lose this game.

01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:52.960
But that didn't happen.

01:11:53.280 --> 01:11:54.141
This is what happened.

01:11:55.381 --> 01:12:01.945
Woods matched up against him, corner blitz, and Drones got it free to Jalen Lane with running room.

01:12:02.305 --> 01:12:04.887
Take it off for the end zone and a score.

01:12:05.894 --> 01:12:06.815
And we never look back.

01:12:06.835 --> 01:12:08.096
That's my favorite play of the year.

01:12:28.928 --> 01:12:32.329
And there's some more on here I like, but that's my favorite play.

01:12:32.349 --> 01:12:36.770
And when I look back at it every time, it's actually, you see a couple things.

01:12:36.790 --> 01:12:46.952
But the thing that I see the most is that a quarterback understanding what his receiver is going to do and a receiver understanding where he is in the field and where the other pieces are in the field.

01:12:46.992 --> 01:12:48.232
Because he's settled down.

01:12:50.553 --> 01:12:55.434
Before he got to the ref, he didn't run himself into where the referee was to get that throw.

01:12:56.154 --> 01:12:57.234
Kyron put it right on him.

01:12:58.228 --> 01:12:59.208
Nothing but daylight, baby.

01:12:59.789 --> 01:13:00.769
Nothing but daylight.

01:13:01.450 --> 01:13:01.890
All righty.

01:13:02.770 --> 01:13:06.152
That was a play where I realized how fast Jalen Lane was.

01:13:07.953 --> 01:13:11.034
Watching live, man, you don't have an appreciation for how fast that dude is.

01:13:11.094 --> 01:13:12.415
He is so freaking quick.

01:13:13.195 --> 01:13:13.775
Real quick.

01:13:13.795 --> 01:13:14.276
All right.

01:13:14.416 --> 01:13:15.656
What do y'all want to pull up next?

01:13:15.676 --> 01:13:18.337
What are some of y'all's favorite plays from this season?

01:13:18.397 --> 01:13:19.978
I got one I want to save for last.

01:13:20.779 --> 01:13:22.119
He's saving one for last.

01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:25.441
Yeah, so if we're talking about a –

01:13:26.795 --> 01:13:29.777
A moment that happened on the hill, we're saving that one for last.

01:13:29.797 --> 01:13:31.418
That is going to be last, so go ahead.

01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.301
All right, Sheldon, Tally, y'all look through them here.

01:13:34.341 --> 01:13:37.303
Which one was some of y'all's favorite for the year?

01:13:38.851 --> 01:13:47.499
I guess one of my favorites was the Tootin' touchdown against FSU.

01:13:47.519 --> 01:13:48.640
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:48.660 --> 01:13:49.521
They jumped over somebody.

01:13:50.201 --> 01:13:55.126
And, you know, even though that game was horrible, it was just seeing his athleticism.

01:13:55.146 --> 01:13:57.268
It's like, dang, this dude is something.

01:13:57.308 --> 01:13:59.270
Like, I knew he was good.

01:13:59.350 --> 01:14:00.411
I knew he was pretty good.

01:14:00.971 --> 01:14:01.512
But it's like.

01:14:02.616 --> 01:14:03.356
He's really good.

01:14:03.376 --> 01:14:04.317
You know what I'm saying?

01:14:04.337 --> 01:14:04.957
He can do some stuff.

01:14:04.977 --> 01:14:07.998
And we saw him, like, scale it up against high-level competition, right?

01:14:08.018 --> 01:14:11.999
Yeah, it was like, he's out there mixing it up.

01:14:12.679 --> 01:14:14.580
He's, you know what I'm saying, talking some junk.

01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:16.800
And he can play.

01:14:17.120 --> 01:14:19.501
So, I think he kind of took it up a notch after that, too.

01:14:20.161 --> 01:14:20.781
Yeah, let's run it.

01:14:20.841 --> 01:14:21.382
Let's run it here.

01:14:21.682 --> 01:14:22.362
Second and goal.

01:14:24.565 --> 01:14:25.426
Tootin in motion.

01:14:25.966 --> 01:14:27.788
They toss it to the wide side of the field.

01:14:27.828 --> 01:14:29.589
Tootin turning the corner.

01:14:29.849 --> 01:14:30.470
Airborne.

01:14:30.750 --> 01:14:31.571
Touchdown.

01:14:31.591 --> 01:14:34.273
Air Tootin scores it.

01:14:36.615 --> 01:14:39.097
And Virginia Tech with its first touchdown.

01:14:42.180 --> 01:14:45.943
A five-yard run by Basial Tootin.

01:14:47.742 --> 01:14:49.285
The second one of the season.

01:14:49.365 --> 01:14:53.912
You can see they got the big offensive tackle Xavier Chaplin out here on the edge.

01:14:53.932 --> 01:14:55.335
He gets the block on Cypress.

01:14:56.036 --> 01:14:57.578
And Tootin just does the rest.

01:14:57.618 --> 01:15:00.744
If you don't secure the edges down here and you let the offense...

01:15:03.217 --> 01:15:04.197
Athletic as hell, man.

01:15:04.537 --> 01:15:05.458
Yeah, man.

01:15:05.558 --> 01:15:06.378
And patience, too.

01:15:06.838 --> 01:15:08.458
I love his patience running.

01:15:08.478 --> 01:15:10.899
He showed it a lot more as we went out throughout the season.

01:15:10.959 --> 01:15:20.542
But just seeing that athleticism and, you know, combination of power and breakaway speed and then that agility to make that hurdle at the line there.

01:15:20.562 --> 01:15:24.643
All right, Brian, you got any of yours?

01:15:25.865 --> 01:15:27.026
Yeah, man.

01:15:27.687 --> 01:15:29.710
This is when I knew that we were on to something.

01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:38.541
This is when I knew, all right, if we can get this thing gelled, if we can get this thing moving, this offense is going to be something to be reckoned with.

01:15:39.402 --> 01:15:42.786
It is the drones touchdown run against Marshall.

01:15:44.108 --> 01:15:44.368
Oh, yeah.

01:15:45.305 --> 01:15:45.765
So here we go.

01:15:45.785 --> 01:15:46.466
I'm going to run it.

01:15:47.387 --> 01:15:51.330
Tyler Bowen said, Tootin's got to have a big afternoon today for us to win on the road.

01:15:51.370 --> 01:15:52.351
And there goes Drones.

01:15:53.172 --> 01:15:56.134
Right side pylon for the Virginia Tech touchdown.

01:15:56.294 --> 01:15:57.896
But it's a great job by Kyron Jones.

01:15:57.956 --> 01:16:00.137
Big, strong quarterback.

01:16:00.197 --> 01:16:01.418
Those black shoes.

01:16:01.438 --> 01:16:03.600
You got the white stripe there on the sideline.

01:16:03.961 --> 01:16:05.462
I saw green grass in between.

01:16:05.482 --> 01:16:06.583
I think it's going to be a touchdown.

01:16:08.530 --> 01:16:33.614
love that they brought up the black shoes too like the cleats man everybody complains about them black cleats so i'm glad that it made the broadcast but that that run there that's that's kind of everything that you you get from kyron drones right you had a good read you had making guys miss making guys uh you missed tackles in the backfield then you saw the speed then you saw the finish

01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:36.180
And I was like, all right.

01:16:36.260 --> 01:16:42.483
So, you know, when all three of us were sitting together, Sheldon was elsewhere on this game.

01:16:42.503 --> 01:16:52.408
But when we were sitting together against Purdue and we saw drones kind of run over a guy and as he's going out of bounds, I was like, this guy is different.

01:16:52.448 --> 01:16:56.190
But this is what showed me, all right, so it's not just the attitude.

01:16:56.230 --> 01:16:58.291
He's putting all the other skill sets together.

01:16:58.331 --> 01:17:03.694
This was something that got me really excited about what this offense could really be with drones at the helm there.

01:17:04.287 --> 01:17:05.987
100%.

01:17:04.647 --> 01:17:05.987
Brian, check out the chat.

01:17:06.167 --> 01:17:07.368
Shelton dropped his in there.

01:17:07.388 --> 01:17:08.748
See if you can get that on the screen.

01:17:08.768 --> 01:17:10.328
Shelton, we'll get back to you in just a second.

01:17:10.769 --> 01:17:17.790
But while Brian's sorting that out, I'm going to flip to the defensive side of the ball here for a second.

01:17:18.350 --> 01:17:25.712
And that Thursday night in Lane Stadium against Syracuse, A, it felt like old times.

01:17:25.792 --> 01:17:26.772
It felt good.

01:17:27.853 --> 01:17:32.814
Even though when this play happened, we were already beating them down by a bunch.

01:17:34.090 --> 01:17:39.736
But it was just beautiful to see when two defensive ends meet at the quarterback.

01:17:44.802 --> 01:17:46.263
All right, getting that one pulled in here.

01:17:46.283 --> 01:17:51.549
Schrader out of the end zone.

01:17:51.589 --> 01:17:52.771
Here comes the pressure.

01:17:53.371 --> 01:17:55.454
Schrader, safety.

01:17:59.113 --> 01:18:05.840
That is Antoine Powell-Rylan and Cole Nelson who's wearing the Frank Beamer 25 tonight.

01:18:06.340 --> 01:18:10.024
We saw Coach Beamer at halftime up here watching his Hokies.

01:18:11.085 --> 01:18:16.791
Fired up, proud to see the 25 jersey, and they have no answer for APR Antoine Powell-Rylan.

01:18:17.112 --> 01:18:19.234
The speed he brings around that edge.

01:18:22.173 --> 01:18:28.278
And it's something of what an impact he was to that defensive line this year.

01:18:29.098 --> 01:18:34.423
I mean, he made that unit significantly better, and it's no knock to any of the other guys who have been here a while.

01:18:35.083 --> 01:18:38.886
But he effectively – Sheldon, you talked about scaling it up for next year.

01:18:39.266 --> 01:18:40.928
He scaled the defensive line up this year.

01:18:41.528 --> 01:18:42.828
He made that line better.

01:18:42.908 --> 01:18:47.290
He made some of those young defensive ends better, and it was great to see that.

01:18:47.470 --> 01:18:49.490
That night was beautiful in Lane Stadium.

01:18:49.710 --> 01:18:52.351
Brian, have you been able to get the one up Shelton wants to see?

01:18:52.371 --> 01:18:53.771
Getting it pulled now.

01:18:53.851 --> 01:18:59.473
Give me just another couple seconds here if you want to hit one more, and we'll pull that one in.

01:18:59.953 --> 01:19:00.433
All righty.

01:19:00.973 --> 01:19:04.854
Listen, this is another one that I love, and I'm doing a lot of talking right now.

01:19:05.574 --> 01:19:13.536
But this is from the Wake Forest game, and this is what the RPO can be with someone like Kyron Drones running it.

01:19:14.056 --> 01:19:18.877
This is the huge 75-yard touchdown to Jalen Lane again.

01:19:18.917 --> 01:19:20.658
Again, we see how fast he is.

01:19:21.178 --> 01:19:26.739
But watch the RPO and watch the safety because that man took a step, and he paid for it with his life.

01:19:29.565 --> 01:19:32.487
Great job on the RPO finding his wide receiver and then Lane was gone.

01:20:00.057 --> 01:20:04.099
I mean, by the way, think ACC Digital Network is where we got these from.

01:20:05.019 --> 01:20:07.440
That boy thought that he was handing that ball off to Tootin.

01:20:08.501 --> 01:20:09.961
He just thought it immediately.

01:20:10.402 --> 01:20:12.523
He took three steps, and as soon as he – gone.

01:20:13.323 --> 01:20:20.066
And, again, there it is, shelving the speed of Jalen Lane because as soon as he caught it and that one guy wasn't there, it's like, that's over, that's a touchdown.

01:20:20.086 --> 01:20:20.486
That's a touchdown.

01:20:22.500 --> 01:20:24.221
Brian, you ready to pull this one up?

01:20:24.621 --> 01:20:25.141
We're good.

01:20:25.181 --> 01:20:29.023
Yeah, give me just one more second while I get this pulled into the stream.

01:20:29.143 --> 01:20:30.303
And these are just some of the plays.

01:20:30.363 --> 01:20:32.564
And I know people are shouting them out here.

01:20:32.624 --> 01:20:37.526
You've got Ali and the kick return, which we're going to see because that was like the cap to the season.

01:20:37.966 --> 01:20:43.569
But any other tallies we might not have that you can remember that just stood out to you?

01:20:44.329 --> 01:20:47.110
Again, my favorite play of the season –

01:20:47.847 --> 01:20:53.149
was the long touchdown pass to Felton against Pitt.

01:20:54.490 --> 01:21:04.893
I think it was the first touchdown of the game where you had Drones going down talking shit to everybody that he could talk shit to, getting to the end zone.

01:21:04.953 --> 01:21:10.996
That was a great play because we scored, but also it spoke to the mentality.

01:21:12.128 --> 01:21:15.269
And the character that some of our kids have, you know what I'm saying?

01:21:15.749 --> 01:21:19.230
Like, hey, we ain't going to keep being the nail.

01:21:19.250 --> 01:21:20.050
We're going to be the hammer.

01:21:20.670 --> 01:21:21.491
There you go.

01:21:21.511 --> 01:21:22.571
I think we got that one.

01:21:23.311 --> 01:21:25.051
I think we had that one in the chat.

01:21:25.432 --> 01:21:25.952
I think we did.

01:21:26.012 --> 01:21:26.292
Hold on.

01:21:26.312 --> 01:21:27.232
I'm going to add this one.

01:21:28.192 --> 01:21:29.093
Sheldon, we're going to get to your word.

01:21:29.113 --> 01:21:29.853
I think this one right here.

01:21:30.313 --> 01:21:31.713
No, this is the Syracuse one.

01:21:32.453 --> 01:21:33.454
Although it's another, I mean.

01:21:33.474 --> 01:21:38.315
And we have a drone strike in Blackburn.

01:21:39.881 --> 01:21:41.182
It was kind of like that, though.

01:21:41.582 --> 01:21:41.842
Yeah.

01:21:42.102 --> 01:21:43.523
It was a lot of them that looked similar.

01:21:43.563 --> 01:21:44.624
Just flowing by the guy.

01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.601
I love having a big, fast, wide receiver on the outside.

01:21:57.301 --> 01:22:06.043
I feel like that's something we really haven't had in recent years, having a guy with that type of size combined with breakaway speed once he gets moving.

01:22:06.743 --> 01:22:09.744
But the crazy thing about Felton is that he's just getting started.

01:22:09.924 --> 01:22:16.086
He's got so much that he can do and he still can put out.

01:22:16.186 --> 01:22:16.926
You know what I'm saying?

01:22:16.946 --> 01:22:17.026
Yeah.

01:22:18.382 --> 01:22:20.902
Like, the dude's a stud, man.

01:22:21.203 --> 01:22:22.483
He's raw, very raw.

01:22:23.583 --> 01:22:30.124
So I'm so happy that he was coming back, not only to help the team, but I think it'll help his draft stock as well.

01:22:30.804 --> 01:22:31.724
Thousand percent.

01:22:31.844 --> 01:22:33.605
All right, we got three more.

01:22:33.705 --> 01:22:35.525
And, Shelton, this is your play of the year.

01:22:35.585 --> 01:22:37.285
This is from the Military Bowl, right?

01:22:38.086 --> 01:22:39.206
Yes, it's from the Military Bowl.

01:22:39.246 --> 01:22:41.986
Drones touchdown pass to Benji Gosnell.

01:22:44.147 --> 01:22:45.387
Oh, yeah, that's pretty good.

01:22:45.447 --> 01:22:46.127
Fourth quarter.

01:22:49.858 --> 01:22:53.079
Yeah, this is sick, though, because no, no, no.

01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:54.419
Yep.

01:22:54.540 --> 01:22:55.680
So great.

01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:58.801
The reason I chose this was because I thought it was a fantastic play design.

01:22:58.861 --> 01:23:03.242
And, you know, I was talking about it with a coach and I kind of I kind of relay what he said here.

01:23:03.262 --> 01:23:05.103
So you got toss sprint fake.

01:23:05.383 --> 01:23:11.065
The H-back is now the primary route and it kind of plays off our split zone and split toss action that they run a lot.

01:23:11.625 --> 01:23:16.827
So he said a cool, cool detail there was the H-back wasn't the bluff man decoy in that situation.

01:23:17.268 --> 01:23:22.890
It's sort of like a cross between the H-back slash tight end leak and a sprint toss bluff.

01:23:23.030 --> 01:23:25.151
So lots of lots of technical jargon in there.

01:23:25.191 --> 01:23:33.515
But basically, you know, just just having a play with with deception with, you know, multiple or what appears to be, you know, multiple options in the play.

01:23:34.435 --> 01:23:40.759
and really good job by drones of if that wasn't, if that wasn't a real read at least, you know, selling, selling a read there.

01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:43.861
Just, I just love that design and obviously drones, you know, made the throw.

01:23:44.861 --> 01:23:45.041
Yeah.

01:23:45.081 --> 01:23:48.803
And understood where he was relative to the line of scrimmage because that was important as well.

01:23:50.224 --> 01:23:50.384
Yeah.

01:23:50.404 --> 01:23:50.685
Alrighty.

01:23:51.085 --> 01:23:53.506
We got one more defensive play, Brian.

01:23:53.546 --> 01:23:56.708
We didn't get to see this until much later in the evening.

01:23:56.788 --> 01:24:03.412
Cause we were at a game ourselves, but Dorian strong basically just put BC to bed real early.

01:24:04.440 --> 01:24:08.024
in that game, and two beautiful interceptions here, man.

01:24:08.064 --> 01:24:09.004
Let's get that one up.

01:24:09.365 --> 01:24:10.066
Play action.

01:24:10.086 --> 01:24:11.287
The man who's an All-American.

01:24:11.307 --> 01:24:14.550
Takes a shot over the middle, and it is picked off right away.

01:24:14.750 --> 01:24:17.072
Picked off by Virginia Tech.

01:24:18.113 --> 01:24:21.437
What a play there by Dorian Strong.

01:24:22.315 --> 01:24:25.258
Castellanos is going to take a shot down the field.

01:24:25.938 --> 01:24:28.961
Unger throws it again, and this time intercepted.

01:24:29.522 --> 01:24:33.085
Dorian Strong, his second interception of the game.

01:24:33.505 --> 01:24:39.291
Dorian Strong, a heck of a heads-up play, getting his eyes around to get another interception on the game.

01:24:40.609 --> 01:24:48.518
Yeah, he's top 50 player in the country or something like that, but he isn't an all-ACC cornerback.

01:24:48.678 --> 01:24:56.567
Multiple second-team All-Americans because of his ridiculous completion percentage numbers, but he can't be the best in the ACC.

01:24:56.647 --> 01:24:57.428
Robbie, no.

01:25:02.515 --> 01:25:02.675
No.

01:25:02.795 --> 01:25:03.555
Oh, shit, Tally.

01:25:04.215 --> 01:25:04.855
It is beautiful.

01:25:05.456 --> 01:25:07.796
The 44 Magnum, baby.

01:25:07.876 --> 01:25:11.797
It is growing on me, but get him in single digits, please.

01:25:12.277 --> 01:25:14.877
Man, if he's going to play like he played this year, hell, he can keep it.

01:25:15.217 --> 01:25:16.458
Do whatever he wants, right?

01:25:17.078 --> 01:25:17.218
Yep.

01:25:17.258 --> 01:25:17.598
All right.

01:25:18.298 --> 01:25:20.578
Well, y'all, it is ass full.

01:25:20.618 --> 01:25:21.479
We already mentioned it.

01:25:21.519 --> 01:25:24.839
And I do not think I got Bill's call on this.

01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:28.020
I should have found Bill's call, but, you know, I'm working.

01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:29.240
I'm trying to find this stuff.

01:25:30.558 --> 01:25:32.099
This was just poetic, man.

01:25:32.980 --> 01:25:35.302
This was poetic during that game.

01:25:35.562 --> 01:25:42.809
They finally get a little bit of life, and Tootin just snatches it right back and then rubs their dick in a little bit.

01:25:43.009 --> 01:25:45.131
He does what?

01:25:45.211 --> 01:25:47.473
Tootin's going to be able to return this Ganyard kick.

01:25:47.493 --> 01:25:48.133
He does what?

01:25:48.193 --> 01:25:51.656
Blocker in front of him.

01:25:53.698 --> 01:25:54.959
It's a corner!

01:25:55.219 --> 01:25:55.920
And he's gone!

01:25:58.769 --> 01:26:04.273
Basial Tootin starts celebrating at the 30-yard line.

01:26:04.293 --> 01:26:04.913
94 yards.

01:26:05.033 --> 01:26:07.735
What a day for Basial Tootin.

01:26:11.578 --> 01:26:16.362
This right here, when he gets it outside, he just runs away from five, six, seven Wahoos.

01:26:16.602 --> 01:26:17.182
Yep, he just goes.

01:26:17.222 --> 01:26:20.264
He's fourth in the ACC in all-purpose yards, averaging 111 yards per game.

01:26:28.291 --> 01:26:30.933
He is going to double that at least.

01:26:31.214 --> 01:26:31.954
Here we go.

01:26:33.155 --> 01:26:34.596
Cold beverage on a cold night.

01:26:38.980 --> 01:26:43.764
And I'm pretty positive at the beginning of that clip where you hear the pitter patter.

01:26:43.804 --> 01:26:47.688
And I think that was our coaches clapping and raising hell in the booth.

01:26:48.689 --> 01:26:50.510
If I can remember correctly.

01:26:52.192 --> 01:26:53.032
Cause they nailed it.

01:26:53.092 --> 01:26:54.714
Cause they nailed it, man.

01:26:56.335 --> 01:27:11.893
The patience, though, I mean, I think that's the thing when I look at Tootin', like, he's not quite that elite level patience that we saw with Khalil Herbert in terms of just being able to wait for it, wait for it, and then just explode through the hole.

01:27:13.342 --> 01:27:19.503
But, I mean, he's got some of that, and he's got a little bit more, I think, power combined with that breakaway speed.

01:27:19.543 --> 01:27:22.124
And we saw kind of all of that on display there, man.

01:27:22.164 --> 01:27:26.365
He had patience, accelerated outside, and then ran away from everybody.

01:27:27.845 --> 01:27:30.045
It was so many plays this year that he made.

01:27:30.286 --> 01:27:33.826
You know, some of them only went for five yards or seven yards.

01:27:34.306 --> 01:27:36.447
Well, he's going towards the sideline.

01:27:37.495 --> 01:27:40.778
And it looks like it's nothing there, and he just keeps stringing it, stringing it.

01:27:41.158 --> 01:27:43.099
And then he bends that corner.

01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:43.720
Yep.

01:27:43.900 --> 01:27:50.145
And then, you know, like in the Tulane game, he bends the corner and he scores.

01:27:50.365 --> 01:27:55.149
It's like, how does he get there, and how does he accelerate once he gets there?

01:27:55.689 --> 01:27:58.872
It's like you expect him to get caught from somewhere, but he just doesn't.

01:27:59.612 --> 01:28:01.514
And then when he gets caught sometimes –

01:28:02.785 --> 01:28:05.547
His lower half, he looks like he got tree trunks for legs.

01:28:05.967 --> 01:28:07.528
Yeah, he's like a little bowling ball, man.

01:28:07.828 --> 01:28:11.590
You ain't taking him down with a little hand tackle, and it's always beautiful to see that.

01:28:13.111 --> 01:28:19.074
Well, boys, believe it or not, we have wrapped up what is now our first season as a team.

01:28:20.512 --> 01:28:22.013
winning season when we brought y'all on.

01:28:22.053 --> 01:28:24.415
That's all we needed to do was just bring Tally and Sheldon on, Brian.

01:28:24.435 --> 01:28:25.556
We would have had some winning seasons.

01:28:25.576 --> 01:28:28.097
Man, if y'all had listened, I told you.

01:28:28.117 --> 01:28:29.979
We told you it was going to happen a long time ago.

01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:36.003
Listen, this panel, these four gentlemen right here, us, we said we were going to a bowl.

01:28:36.483 --> 01:28:37.444
Other people doubted.

01:28:37.644 --> 01:28:38.565
We did not doubt.

01:28:39.085 --> 01:28:39.685
Kept the faith.

01:28:40.326 --> 01:28:40.986
Kept the faith.

01:28:41.246 --> 01:28:46.409
But this is effectively the end of our fourth season on the Boundary Corner podcast.

01:28:46.930 --> 01:28:51.973
We will be back in a couple of weeks to start season five of the Boundary Corner podcast.

01:28:52.653 --> 01:28:54.815
Want to really appreciate this was definitely.

01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:18.759
a year where the growth not only adding two amazing people to this podcast tally and shelton you guys are awesome in what y'all do um i love chatting with y'all um got to meet everybody got to pretty much meet each other this year which was great um but we also took growth you know

01:29:19.540 --> 01:29:20.941
I see there's still people watching.

01:29:21.401 --> 01:29:22.621
We took a growth.

01:29:22.661 --> 01:29:24.642
We appreciate everybody who watches.

01:29:25.042 --> 01:29:28.644
State of the program, I think, went over 1,500 views, which is insane.

01:29:28.864 --> 01:29:40.088
Just on YouTube, we had another 2,000-plus audio listens, and we had a mountain of Twitter views and Facebook views while that was live.

01:29:40.148 --> 01:29:42.069
So, I mean, that was a monster episode.

01:29:42.789 --> 01:29:44.710
When y'all joined us preseason,

01:29:45.730 --> 01:29:48.331
For the preview panel, also monster episodes.

01:29:48.391 --> 01:29:50.991
We've had some big monsters this year.

01:29:51.451 --> 01:29:58.833
We appreciate everyone coming out, supporting us, spreading the news to folks out there.

01:29:59.013 --> 01:30:00.513
I think that's the big thing.

01:30:00.553 --> 01:30:03.574
Word of mouth has been big for our podcast.

01:30:03.614 --> 01:30:08.175
When we started, we didn't really have a whole lot of built-in network.

01:30:08.215 --> 01:30:09.835
We've grown our network both

01:30:10.815 --> 01:30:16.643
from friends in social media, friends that we talk to day-to-day at the Hokie Nations.

01:30:16.723 --> 01:30:21.969
It's been amazing, the response that we've got, and we appreciate all of that support.

01:30:23.291 --> 01:30:23.832
Definitely.

01:30:23.952 --> 01:30:25.874
It's been a fun ride, man.

01:30:26.014 --> 01:30:27.837
I was very reluctant to

01:30:28.601 --> 01:30:51.874
get into this because it's time consuming it takes some time uh that Brian and Shelton does most of that work as far as time goes behind the scenes analytics and getting stats and then Curtis has to wrangle everybody in so I just get on here and talk but it still takes a lot of time but it's very you know it's very it's something that we enjoy doing and we enjoy y'all being here um

01:30:53.155 --> 01:31:18.841
spread spread the word man like right we're not done we want we want we want to do some big things this year uh we want some some new guests we want more guests we want you know more meetups we um we want to do all of that you know we're gonna do we're gonna do it all so we appreciate everybody for uh for the last year that we've had and i'm looking forward to the next year here absolutely

01:31:20.710 --> 01:31:21.051
Can't wait.

01:31:21.371 --> 01:31:23.153
Big things ahead in 2024, I believe.

01:31:23.673 --> 01:31:24.194
Big things ahead.

01:31:24.254 --> 01:31:26.776
And I'm going to go ahead and make a plug because somebody asked about it.

01:31:26.836 --> 01:31:28.378
Ray Sean McCormick out on Facebook.

01:31:29.878 --> 01:31:30.598
Listen in March.

01:31:30.898 --> 01:31:32.839
Matej Sis, he always joins us.

01:31:32.879 --> 01:31:36.921
We're going to talk about all these players in 2025 in-state, out-of-state.

01:31:37.521 --> 01:31:45.145
So we're hoping we're going to have one or two in the boat that we kind of break down in depth and we're going to look at where we stand with the rest of that class.

01:31:45.225 --> 01:31:47.526
And usually we have Matej on a couple times.

01:31:47.546 --> 01:31:52.368
We'll have him on late February, early March, kind of get a little primer for the season, and then we'll –

01:31:53.208 --> 01:32:00.215
We'll bring him on again kind of late midsummer to kind of see where we are before we get into the meat of the season.

01:32:00.295 --> 01:32:03.118
So we'll usually have two big recruiting updates.

01:32:03.218 --> 01:32:05.220
Obviously, we're going to keep updating throughout the year.

01:32:05.301 --> 01:32:08.804
But as we go along, it's going to be a lot of fun this year.

01:32:08.844 --> 01:32:10.546
We got some new faces coming.

01:32:11.166 --> 01:32:15.188
Actually, we got one behind the scenes right now that we're bringing on this year, Jack Day.

01:32:15.649 --> 01:32:17.369
He's going to be a production assistant for us.

01:32:17.389 --> 01:32:24.293
So I think we're going to level up pretty good here from our media standpoint as we kind of move into the season five this year.

01:32:24.333 --> 01:32:26.154
So welcome aboard to Jack.

01:32:26.854 --> 01:32:30.436
And we're really looking forward to what this upcoming year is going to bring.

01:32:31.176 --> 01:32:32.217
Absolutely.

01:32:32.277 --> 01:32:34.018
Yes, Robbie, we will meet this year.

01:32:34.058 --> 01:32:36.219
If I got to come to one of your games on Friday night,

01:32:37.096 --> 01:32:38.776
We're going to make it happen.

01:32:38.976 --> 01:32:42.777
We're going to drive to North Wilkesboro so Tally can meet Robby.

01:32:42.937 --> 01:32:44.317
I'm going to make it happen this year, man.

01:32:44.357 --> 01:32:45.098
I got to meet Robby.

01:32:45.118 --> 01:32:46.138
All right.

01:32:46.618 --> 01:32:54.360
Well, boys, that does wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner Podcast brought to you by the Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg.

01:32:54.440 --> 01:32:55.260
I'm Curtis Wilson.

01:32:56.060 --> 01:32:56.860
I'm Brian Siegler.

01:32:57.800 --> 01:32:58.800
I'm Nick Saban's uncle.

01:33:00.301 --> 01:33:01.321
And I am Sheldon Moss.

01:33:02.618 --> 01:33:06.382
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01:33:06.422 --> 01:33:08.485
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01:33:12.269 --> 01:33:14.351
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01:33:23.979 --> 01:33:29.141
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01:33:29.602 --> 01:33:30.282
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01:33:30.302 --> 01:33:31.462
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01:33:31.482 --> 01:33:32.123
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01:33:36.885 --> 01:33:38.506
And as always, let's go.

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Hokies!