Nice Prys Finish Last

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You hear me?
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We are a man.

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Well, we kind of a man short
tonight.

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He's hanging in the background
here, but he's on vacation.

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But y'all, how's it going
tonight fellas?

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Doing good.
Go ahead, Shelton.

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Man, I'm, I'm feeling good.
I, I feel, I feel rejuvenated

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after the news on Sunday.
I feel like we are slowly and,

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and soon going to start
embarking on a new era of BT

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football.
So, and I remember saying this

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Saturday night, like I think I
think that loss was good because

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it will completely strip
everything in that

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administration down to parts.
We will sell it off, we will gut

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it, we will get rid of it.
We will we will jettison every

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old idea from from the previous
administration and we're going

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to move forward with this new
era of hoagie football.

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So I'm excited, man.
I know it's going to be some

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maybe some some bumpy sees
ahead, but I'm excited for the

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long term future.
No, man.

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I mean he great way to put it.
Great way to put it, Shelton,

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He's smiling.
He's been smiling ever since,

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you know?
So if Shelton's happy, I'm happy

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because I know he's coming with
some factual stats.

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He's not just going to be blind
opinionated like I am.

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I don't think it's any secret
how I felt.

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Well, I was in Vegas, man, when
we just played, ODUI was in

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Vegas.
I may have watched like 1/4, but

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it just was.
There was no lie, you know, it

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was, it was the end, man.
You know what I'm saying?

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It was a relationship where two
people have been together since

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high school and you know, they
was getting ready to go to

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college and they was trying to
figure out, are we going to make

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this work?
No, you going to go to college

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and you're going to get fucked.
You don't want to be together no

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more.
So let's just go ahead and end

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it and still be friends.
And you know your way.

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I go my way.
So I'm feeling good.

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I'm feeling great.
The only thing that I'm upset

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about is that I was in Vegas and
I did not go put any money on

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ODU or I didn't.
How much money would you have

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made if he was the first one
fired?

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You should have put it we told
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Yeah, I I should have.
I should have.

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I didn't, but so was but.
We just told you to go.

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Make it yeah.
Was UCL as coach fire first

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though?
I don't know, but I think the

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odds for firing you could have
got either way the.

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Odds.
You would have got some before.

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Yeah, 100%.
Not that we're reveling in it or

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anything, just just so you know.
But tonight we're not doing.

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No, the enemy is Wofford.
Lord have mercy.

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If we have to get to know them,
then we, we might be losing our

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shit here, but we are going to
tell the truth about a lot of

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stuff that's happened over this
weekend.

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And I'm going to say something
real quick.

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It might piss some of y'all off,
but I talked with talent about

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this.
We're going to get into a bunch

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of shit tonight.
We ain't getting into who the

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next coach is.
OK?

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That will be a future episode.
Start with you.

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Ain't no need right now, y'all.
We got 10 weeks, 10 weeks until

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that comes down.
You've got likely the BOV stuff

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coming back.
We we've heard about some of the

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new structural stuff.
We want to talk about that.

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And don't worry, because tally
me, you, Shelton, I couldn't get

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in touch with you.
I'm sorry.

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I don't know what you're doing
today, but what we're going to

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do, give us about a month and
we're going to bring you all on

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here and you tell us who and why
you want.

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We got our opinions.
There's people we like.

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Of course, we've chatted about
it, but give us about a month.

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Let the season go.
Because when I say Tally, I

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don't want somebody be like, I
want this guy and that guy go

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look like ask the next 5 weeks.
You ain't going to want him no

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more.
So give it a little bit of time,

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let it simmer and come back in
about a month and we will, like

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we did last week, we're going to
bring y'all on to tell us who

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your coach is.
We'll keep a tally of it.

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The best part about it is
recorded.

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So if somebody comes up tally,
that's going to be great in

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about two years, right?
Somebody come up in here and

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said that's the coach, that's
the coach.

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And they asked are we going to
bring you up?

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We're going to bring your
picture on the screen and say,

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y'all remember when Andretti
said to hire this guy?

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So that's what you did.
But we're off on that night.

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But before we get into the
firing and everything, I want to

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ask you all questions.
Shelton, I believe you would

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have been in school or about to
go to school when everything

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started because this is the
first.

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This is the three of the ODUS.
Which is worse?

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We'll start with Sheldon Tally
20/18/2022 or 2025.

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Which one is the worst?
Start with me or.

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Start with you.
Yeah, OK.

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Yeah.
So for me, I would say, I would

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say 2022 was the worst and I can
explain why. 2018, I felt like

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was just a genuine upset where
you had a team just played

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absolute lights out with a
quarterback that nobody's ever

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heard of, went on to become a
church minister.

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Like that was just a team
playing their best game, like

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all the collectively the best
game of their lives.

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And, you know, lost by two
touchdowns.

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But we ended up having a, a 500
season that year.

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So I mean, you know, it wasn't
like, you know, it wasn't like a

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major shift, like the trajectory
of our program.

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The reason I, I'd say 2022 is
because that was the first time

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in the pride era.
And there were so many high

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hopes and expectations for, you
know, for, for for the coaching

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staff.
And, you know, obviously for

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that season that when we saw
that horrible performance, and

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particularly considering how
poorly Tech played, just the

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amount of coaching mistakes,
the, you know, the procedural

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penalties, all that stuff, I
felt like it really put a huge

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stamper on what we thought was
going to be a very positive

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moment.
And I feel like ever since that

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game, there's always kind of
this idea in the back of your

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head of like, OK, is this stuff
a really.

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It's because they were just so
poor that night that it was like

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it kind of, you know, ripped
away all of your, your, you

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know, good feelings about what
what was achievable for for tech

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football.
So that was definitely kind of

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a, a dramatic shift, I would
say, in the overall optimism of

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the Hokie fan base.
And that's why I'd say 2022.

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What about you, Tyler?
Everyone, everyone is is is a is

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a good for that everyone.
But but I'll say 25 for me, man,

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it's just because Sheldon makes
a great point, you know, makes a

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great point when he talks about
22 went down, but 25 was

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absolutely like you didn't do
nothing.

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You know, in the other games, it
was like you were kind of in it,

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you know, you had this going
good or this kind of you was

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losing 31 to 0 at your house.
Like somebody walked in your

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house, you was throwing a BBQ,
kicked you off your own grill,

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said you go sit in the bathroom
till I finish cooking and then

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I'll bring you a plate.
And then they didn't even bring

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you a plate.
They just had you sitting in the

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bathroom with a toilet full of
dookie.

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That's what happened. 25 was
horrible.

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It's been leading up to it.
I mean, I guess the only reason

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I would say, you know, man,
maybe not, you know, maybe not.

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Maybe it was 22 because we had
high hopes, but it's like you

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kind of you you you start off
the season with South Carolina

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and you kind of lose at the end.
Was it a fluke?

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Then you go up on Vanderbilt.
You, you like, you got some kind

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of hope.
You feel like, OK, yeah.

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Then you got ODU.
That comes in.

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First of all, we've seen the
team quit against Vandy, and

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then you're coming to this game
and the same team showed up.

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So you didn't want it to happen.
But it's like most people who

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have watched the team knew this
team has quit.

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You know, whether they quit on
the coach or they just quit

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football, like, I don't know.
I don't know what it is, but it

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wasn't good and it showed on the
field.

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So 25 to me was by far the
worst.

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See, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm against
25 needed to happen. 2022 is

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bad.
But to me, 2018 is the one that

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they showed there were flaws in
the way everything was built

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around the football program
because we were ten win, 9 win.

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Could have been even better in
2017.

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And then remember 18, we went
down to Florida State, shut them

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out, swag, surf, all that stuff.
It was unbelievable.

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And it's like you have this
game, you're 2 and I think we

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were ranked 18th in the country.
And it was just a meltdown

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because everybody keeps trying
to point when did we lose it?

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I think it was right there.
You went to their house, which

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you never should have did That
happened.

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Josh Jackson snaps his leg, you
go six and six.

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See the worst part, Sheldon?
That year for them, they weren't

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an 8 or 9 or two.
They were four and eight.

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They were four and eight in
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That game is to me is what the
game that that is the game that

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set us back the most.
Because if you go down there and

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you stomp them or you just win
by a touchdown or two, all

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right, you probably get out of
that Series A lot quicker.

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Like we ain't coming down here
no more.

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We beat y'all.
We gave you a game that ain't

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happening.
But it showed so many issues

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internally on the program, and
it's just feels like it's been

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downhill since then since then.
2019 was the one blip in the end

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of 2023.
So three different opinions on

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that and I see y'all some people
are throwing it in here 2018 25

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Sheldon it, but it's tough to
like you said y'all both make

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great points because 25 the quit
was there tally.

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But like you said, Sheldon,
2022, it's the start of a new

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era.
And when he snapped the ball

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from Norfolk to Virginia Beach,
good Lord almighty, it was like

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literally, I remember sitting
here thinking, watching that

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game because we were all part of
it.

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I guess that's the worst snap
I've ever seen.

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Had a gas snap that bad like
that, that won't like a bad

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snap.
That was literally the worst

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snap maybe in the history of
football.

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So.
Yeah.

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And there's no, there's no right
answer.

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Obviously they're all
embarrassing.

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I just.
Feel like Oh no, no, it's, it's

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all the way you felt inside.
Yeah, like, I just, I feel like

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there was a silver lining with
with last week's game.

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In the sense that this is.
A This is a rebirth of hokey

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football.
Well, I guess I guess for me too

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is like great silver lining.
I don't trust these

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motherfuckers to make the right
decision.

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So I'm still on the fence.
I think that it's coming, but I

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don't know, you know what I'm
saying?

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I need to see the next the next
step.

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So right now in my feeling is
that 25 What are we going to do?

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We need to get rid of Pry.
We need to tell Wit that he

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needs to go to Alaska.
Y'all see it right here.

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Right there.
Yes, that's what we need him far

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away from Blacksburg, VA.
He needs to get.

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He looks so defeated, man.
Like I watched a little bit of a

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press conference.
Well, you know.

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What's about to happen?
You know what's about that?

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Yeah, he looked like he got
people standing outside his door

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making sure he ain't wearing
Virginia Tech stuff.

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No, don't put that on, man.
Put your suit on.

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Don't let it be my room.
I I'm ready for him to go too.

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So I've seen a couple of
comments occurred before you go

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to the next John.
John Earl, my guy.

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He post, he posted in the chat.
He said yeah.

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So I don't know what that is.
What is that?

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What happened?
Who said something?

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Did I miss some in the press
conference?

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I don't know.
It just said blaming the past

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regime on the way out was wild
though.

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I was trying to figure out what
happened.

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I don't, yeah.
Let me know what the reference

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is there, yeah.
What was the reference?

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I might have.
John was on with this last week.

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First of all, Bassmaster, you
right?

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Yeah, You you damn right.
We, we should not be in this

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situation.
Three different ones.

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Three different ones.
Yeah, he did snap it to you

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there in the 750.
Yeah, I think, yeah, the Ralph's

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tweet that got deleted, that's
what when when Ralph's kind of

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blamed the prior regime and
everything.

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All right, so let's keep moving
and I'm going to say something

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real quick.
First of all, did you see the

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shirt I chose tonight?
Yep.

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Yep, I'll wear this shirt
forever because that guy went to

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the pharmacy.
He's like 2 guys.

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It's a cool shirt.
It's a great looking shirt.

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But here, so I want to read it
if if y'all hadn't seen it, the

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the statement prior released
afterwards and basically I'm

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already of verbatim here.
So basically on behalf of Amy

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and our entire family, I want to
thank President Sands, what

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Virginia Tech community for
giving me the opportunity to

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lead the program.
Coaching at Virginia Tech was an

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incredible honor and incredible
chapter to the outstanding young

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men.
Ya ya, you'll get it.

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Here's the thing about Pry.
Where we, we, we said it.

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We've said it over and over.
Genuinely, he gives a shit about

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the program.
Genuinely, he is a good person.

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Like.
He's a good guy and and when you

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read the statement, it's like
it, it wasn't like it was gone.

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There was no statement.
He literally got the guy packed

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up a statement they they put.
Out a statement.

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And what did it say?
Lily almost said the exact same

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thing.
I'm not even kidding.

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Like it was just verbatim.
Like thanks for everyone, but

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put it on Twitter.
But but.

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Let's let's, let's, let's get
this, let's unpack this for just

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a second.
I don't want to all the time,

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but just because Sheldon did hit
on it and I know a lot of

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podcasts, people have been
talking about it.

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One in particular, my guys not
going to call their names that

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may not want me to, but they
know who they are, have been

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hitting on it a lot because they
were big Fuente guys.

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No problem.
Sure, I me myself, I'm not

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comparing or blaming the regime
of Fuente for pry or vice versa,

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but I can't say.
I did tweet on it and say they

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came in at a different time.
It was the program was in

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different places when they
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They were in different places.
The talent floor and ceiling

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were in different places.
So I don't think that I want to

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say that the right way and I've
been, I want y'all to tell me

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what you think.
I don't think that we should

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keep bringing up Fuente.
He's been gone.

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Pride hasn't messed up on his
own, but Fuente left.

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People think he was a great
coach still, which is great for

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him.
He left this program in a bad

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position.
You know, Pride had a long way

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to dig out of now.
Once he kind of got to a certain

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position, he should have been
able to build off of that and he

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couldn't.
You know, he doesn't have the

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capacity to be a good coach.
You know, he may be a decent

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salesman.
He may be a decent, decent

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motivator, but he wasn't a good
head coach.

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But for people to keep saying,
you know, oh, Fuente did this

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and he was miles better and he
was just like, it still kind of

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baffles me to think like it does
not negate all of the bad stuff

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that he did.
He still wasn't, he still did

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some bad stuff.
You know, he may have did some

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good stuff, but he still did
some bad stuff in it.

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Well, he did better than pride.
He still was like it's OK for

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him to be better than pride and
still be bad.

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So that's just my spill on it.
I'll let y'all take it and

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unpack it there.
Well, let me let me put it to

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both y'all this way now and I'll
since Shelton kind of tally got

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us here.
I'll pitch to you is the program

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as it stands and I'm talking all
aspects, is it better?

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Is it any better state than it
was in 2021?

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Provided that they can get some
new blood in there and and find

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the right to lead them.
Yes, it is I, I actually think I

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would argue the program was in a
really bad spot in 2020 or not a

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great spot in 2021.
And I actually think that's the

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reason we hired pride is because
we missed out on some of our our

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better candidates because the
job was not perceived as a very

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good job.
And I don't think and a lot of

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that to be honestly, to be
honest was because of the

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administration.
I think there were, there were

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things that people knew in 2021
that they've not know in 2016 as

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and that was how we were able to
hire Fuente.

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So I think over time, the
perception of the tech job

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became worse and worse.
Now I think hopefully if we get,

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if we get the right people in
there, it can, it can become

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much better.
Yeah, no, that's, that's good.

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Good way to put it.
Infrastructure has has an

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infrastructure should change
because of this.

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It's got so bad that the people
up top have started being like,

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you know what, this really is
bad.

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We are going to have to do
something different.

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So I agree with Shelton on that.
I think that then was a little

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bit worse and that's why I
brought it up because I keep

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seeing people trying to go back
to this, you know, let's go back

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to four years and different
ones.

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They leave it in a better plot.
Well, he won more games.

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He had more talent.
Those first two years he had,

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the four years he had extremely
mortality.

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He got he got left with a a
better program.

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You know, even with Frank being
at the end of his road and

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couldn't continue coaching, he
still had the roster with a lot

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of talent on it.
So we ain't got to get into all

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that.
I just keep seeing people pop up

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and talk about all of that and
I'm just like, we have to for a

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couple.
Reasons because a where you

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begin your journey and then
where you leave it is a huge,

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huge story in itself.
And again, I think Fuente really

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good coach, but he didn't like
to recruit.

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He didn't have the best people
skills.

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We could see that.
That's the shit that as you get

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deeper into your head coaching
career, you have to become

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really good at.
It's not just coaching anymore.

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That's the shit Prowl is good
at.

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He unfortunately couldn't do the
other shit right.

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And it sucks.
But if you ask me right now, and

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I mean, we, we, we, we talked to
people who have connections

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inside high schools.
Remember what some of the

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stories were coming out.
They hadn't been here in

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forever.
We hadn't heard from them.

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They didn't come visit, they
didn't come check on us.

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They didn't do shit where this
regime was a complete 180.

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I think the next regime, whoever
it's going to be, the day they

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walk into any of these schools
within the, I know the six hour

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radius, but any big football
school that's in our footprint.

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People are going to know.
Oh, that's Virginia Tech.

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Oh, they, they've been here
three times already in the last

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six months.
They're coming to see some.

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And so they're coming.
The relationships are built.

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They're not going to have to
recreate them.

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They're going to be able to walk
in.

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I'll ask the question in a
little while and I, I think it's

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going to be one that y'all
probably see coming, but they're

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going to be able to walk in and
it's going to be a hell of a lot

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easier to recruit and sell the
program to where it was at the

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beginning or the end of 2021
into 2022.

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Sheldon, you said it a couple
times and we're going to kind of

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jump around a little bit just
based on what you said, because

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it is, I think somebody's made
new people have said if you

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watch the presser, it was clear
with defeated, it's likely going

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to be a full structure in the
athletic department.

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The fire, he didn't even get the
fire prop.

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He didn't even get to send the
memo out as Tim Sands has sent

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the memo out.
Shelton.

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How deep does it need to go?
You said earlier to the ground.

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Is it all the way to the ground?
I think so.

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I think a couple things.
Obviously you're going to get

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into AD and with a new, when a
new AD comes in, you're going to

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get in your new senior
administrator.

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So if you go on the, if you go
on the staff director on

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hokiesports.com, you can see all
the senior level administrators.

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Those are, you know, your sport
admins, your your directors,

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your, you know, chief financial
officers, etcetera, etcetera,

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that all sort of, you know, make
the kind of run the show.

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A lot of those people have have
been there for, you know, some

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10 to 15 years.
And so I really think it's time

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to get some new blood in there.
That's it.

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They're all bad or anything like
that.

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But when you've consistently
underperformed and you know,

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you're you're falling behind in
the money game, I think it might

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be time for some, so for some
outside ideas.

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So I think they'll go on that.
They also think they need to

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restructure the Hoagie Club, you
know, get more staffing, new

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leadership, more resources,
someone that's, you know, has,

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has, you know, fundraising
experience, ideally at a Power 4

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level.
So I'd say between Hoagie Club

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and the the internal
administration, I, I think

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everything needs to be
completely restructured.

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Now.
Tally anything you want to add

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on that because I'm about to
throw the next one which I think

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you will jump on.
It is just.

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Real quick, I'll say it then let
you throw it on.

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I'm not a politics guy by no
means.

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I just feel like when you are in
a place too long similar to

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politics, it's time to change.
Eight years, you need to go, you

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know what I'm saying?
You've been here too long.

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Especially if you ain't doing
good.

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Why are we still doing the same
thing man?

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Let's change it up.
So Sheldon put it perfectly.

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Hey, I'm so glad Sheldon was
able to get on here because

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y'all know I get on here and
start rambling.

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I just, I just let my protege,
my young guy, just get on here,

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kick it to y'all real quick and
then we go to the next thing.

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So perfect, man, Perfect
Shelton.

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Steers us in the right direction
a lot of times, Shelton, you

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don't even know it, man.
You don't even know you.

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You steers the right way.
But with that being said, we're

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going to take it down to the
studs in everything that was

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said yesterday.
Everything that was said

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yesterday, it looks like they're
Sean.

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It's going to go down to the
studs because we're basically

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going to have a whole new
structure to the athletic

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department.
There is going to be the

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football with what sounds like
an NFL structure, which I am

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going to say is probably going
to be a general manager.

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It's probably going to be
recruiting guys.

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And then the other areas, this
is kind of caught my and even

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though this isn't football more
of a corporate structure for the

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rest of the athletics
department.

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We, we, we talked about it for
years here, Mom and pop shop,

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mom and pop shop it.
It's gotten a little bit better,

444
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,000
but it sounds like.
Likely with everything.

445
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720
The BOV is going to do in the
next few weeks.

446
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,520
It is going to look inside and
out.

447
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,480
Now I'll pitch this to y'all.
What do y'all do Y'all think for

448
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,200
school?
Like Virginia Tech, even though

449
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,800
we're not the biggest, is a NFL
GM type model where it's going

450
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,040
to be AGM?
My assumption is the GM, whoever

451
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560
that gets hired as is probably
going to make decisions on the

452
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,560
coaches.
Is that OK?

453
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,160
Is that going to work for us?
I mean, I feel like you got.

454
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,080
To have something like that, I
don't know the term, but or the

455
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,000
the name that you put on it, you
know, you don't want to just

456
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,880
throw money to somebody who's
not doing nothing.

457
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
But similar to what Sheldon
said, you got to have somebody

458
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,720
who knows football.
And I come from the sales world

459
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,280
and the marketing world.
I just feel like our marketing

460
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,360
has been horrible.
I mean, I feel like that our

461
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,800
social media stuff has gotten
better as far as pictures and

462
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,240
videos, but I feel like the
marketing that we've been doing

463
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
has been horrible.
Like, I just feel like, don't

464
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,240
kill me, everybody.
I'm tired of hearing about a

465
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,480
game that we lost 25 years ago.
I'm tired of it.

466
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,320
You know what I'm saying?
If you want to talk about

467
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,720
something, let's go talk about
Clemson.

468
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,760
Show the replay of Clemson when
we lost in 2016 in the ACC

469
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,120
Championship.
That's closer to us being

470
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,360
relevant than 25 years ago
losing the Florida State.

471
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,520
Like, I'm tired of keep bringing
this team back.

472
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,880
I'm tired of keep bringing this
up.

473
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Like our marketing team keeps
wanting to build around that and

474
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,240
the people that's higher up want
to keep building on that.

475
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,400
Let it go.
Like we it's over.

476
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560
We didn't even have social media
back then.

477
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Like I'm almost 40, I'm old.
So if they older than me, they

478
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,480
fucking old, you know what I'm
saying?

479
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Like quit telling me about
nostalgia and bring me into the

480
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,920
new generation, Shelton's
generation.

481
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,200
They want to see quick tik toks.
We want to see people, you know,

482
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,160
scoring and dancing.
We want to see some different

483
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,480
shit.
I want to see winning.

484
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,840
You know, most people want to
see winning.

485
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,440
But I'm tired of hearing about
what we used to do in yesteryear

486
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
and all of that bullshit.
Like we need somebody to come in

487
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,880
and go, hey, I've been around
football right now and this is

488
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
how it's being played.
This is how you have to attack

489
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560
NIL.
It's not the same way as it used

490
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,160
to be, you know?
So I think that you do have to

491
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,800
have some people to do things
like that and know things like

492
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,320
that.
I don't know who it is, you know

493
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,520
what I'm saying, But me myself,
I wanted to be somebody

494
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,480
different.
I want to, I don't want to get

495
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,720
rid of Beamer as far as like
Frank Beamer is always going to

496
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,320
be Virginia Tech.
But I'm tired of hearing about

497
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Frank Beamer every game.
But we don't have anything else

498
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,080
to talk about.
Tired of hearing about pride.

499
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,920
Used to be here when Beamer was
here, like it was cool at first.

500
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,120
It ain't work.
Time to go.

501
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,440
And to be honest with you, I'm
going to give Fuente some kudos.

502
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,400
I think that's why he was like,
he was.

503
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,240
I think he was tired of it too,
because they talked about things

504
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,120
he said at practice when he
talked about I'm tired of

505
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,120
hearing about Virginia.
I'm tired of this.

506
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,120
I think he was just like.
We have a.

507
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,120
This is.
A losing program, like our

508
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,000
biggest game was a loss, you
know what I'm saying?

509
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600
Our biggest game ever was a
loss, and that's all we keep

510
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,400
talking about.
So I'm tired of hearing about

511
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,120
it, so I'm going to just do
something totally different.

512
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040
But when he came in, everything
was force fed to him.

513
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,360
He had a he had ADC that he had
to keep.

514
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
That was a Virginia.
Tech guy, you know, he had

515
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,400
coaches that he had to keep.
Then he had to hire a new DC who

516
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,760
was a Virginia Tech guy and was
a loser, you know, not a loser

517
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,280
person.
But I'm talking about on the

518
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,240
field.
So I just think that he probably

519
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,600
got tired of the 25.
Put it in the rafters, put it on

520
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,080
some shirts.
I'm tired of hearing about the

521
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,880
25.
The lunch bell.

522
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
It's not the same.
If it's not the same, stop

523
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,640
trying to make it that, you know
what I'm saying?

524
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,760
You can still talk about
traditions, but create new ones.

525
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520
So I'm ready for all that at the
end, man.

526
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,360
I'm ready for somebody to come
in and say, hey man, I really

527
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,440
respect what's been built here.
I want to build on this legacy.

528
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960
But I think this is the way that
we can do that and then let's go

529
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,600
do this here.
Half strippers on the sideline.

530
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800
I don't know what the fix is.
Y'all want to ask me?

531
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,880
I know somebody's going to
message me and say, well what do

532
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,840
we need to do?
Because you say get rid of sad

533
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,680
man Yeah, get rid of it.
In my opinion, if that's going

534
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,120
to help us to, like, go into the
next stage, sure, do it for big

535
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,360
games.
Do it when we get in prime time,

536
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,080
like, do something different.
Because what we keep doing is

537
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,840
showing up, jumping, getting
beat down, leaving at halftime.

538
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,600
Tired of that.
So that's my rant for right now.

539
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,480
I'm going to throw it back to
you, Curtis.

540
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Well, I'm going to give Sheldon.
'S opinion on this Sheldon, do

541
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680
you like what's likely going to
be the new model I?

542
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,760
Don't think they really have a
choice.

543
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
I think that's going to every
every team.

544
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,280
You know, I was I was thinking
about this today.

545
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,320
During the the mid twenty 10s,
there was a shift towards hiring

546
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,200
the sort of CEO type head
coaches like Davos Sweeney that

547
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800
kind of, you know, aren't aren't
as involved as in the X and OS,

548
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,040
but they kind of manage the
program.

549
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,720
They do fundraising, schmooze,
schmooze with donors, all that

550
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,160
stuff.
And that's obviously what, you

551
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,800
know, kind of got Vt in trouble
with Fuente is that he was good

552
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720
at the X and OS, but wasn't so
much suited for the more, you

553
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,000
know, the more modern climate.
Now, I think because of how much

554
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,440
responsibility coaches had to
take, they're shifting the role

555
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920
of the finance part of it to the
GM.

556
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320
So now I think we're going to
see a shift more back towards

557
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,960
the XS and those coaches rather
than the CEO type, which means

558
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,400
that obviously Tech needs to
focus number one on getting a

559
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000
coach that can absolutely
maximize his talent.

560
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,120
So I do, I do, I do want to see
the, the business and finance

561
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,760
aspect kind of shifted towards
the more managerial side, like

562
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600
AGM, director of player
personnel, etcetera, etcetera.

563
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,200
But they, they need to be actual
football people.

564
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Like this cannot be, you know,
like, you know, tenured

565
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400
administrators within the
athletic department.

566
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,360
It has to be actual hired
football people who have

567
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280
football knowledge and, and
knowledge of business and, and,

568
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,720
and both of those things
together.

569
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,960
We need to hire actual
experienced people.

570
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,320
So yeah.
No, no, no, I think that's

571
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,960
that's the way.
Great way to look at it.

572
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Shelter.
Now, can your coach still be a

573
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,520
stick when it comes to talking
to kids?

574
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,840
No, but I think you're making a
great point as far as they won't

575
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,760
need to do it all anymore.
The GM can find you can have

576
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,960
people lay down the foundation
of the recruiting of going out,

577
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,240
making the insurance and outs in
the schools and basically tally

578
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,760
you go back to the sales thing
is there sometimes in certain

579
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,400
businesses, there's different
levels and effectively you got a

580
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,040
closer coach is still going to
be closer.

581
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Because if you got the coach
who's a good exiting O's guy and

582
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,840
he can just close the deals,
then that's that's what you're

583
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560
looking for.
You can do X's and O's and when

584
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,720
you need to step in the room to
close the deal, you know what to

585
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
say to the kid because you know
what you've done the X's and O's

586
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,000
on the kid, right?
This is what takes this kid.

587
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,480
If I say this line right here,
he's going to come on board.

588
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,760
So I like the way it's going
because personally I think it's

589
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,000
easy to find those guys who can
do the GM type stuff.

590
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,640
It's harder to find the coaches.
Yes.

591
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,480
There are enigmas like Frank
Beamer who have it all, who have

592
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,440
the personality, who can recruit
but also has the XS and OS part

593
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,080
of his game on.
All right, let me flip over to

594
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,760
this real quick.
Back to pry because this is kind

595
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280
of the way we go.
I had some set up but this is

596
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,480
how we do it sometimes.
In tally we've we've.

597
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Said it a number of times, but
he's been fired now.

598
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,880
What was his biggest issue?
What was his biggest problem in

599
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,880
the three years?
Three games prize the biggest.

600
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,880
Problem.
It was his biggest problem.

601
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,120
He couldn't finish.
He couldn't finish the game.

602
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680
He couldn't find a way to win.
He.

603
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,680
Couldn't finish.
You could say that it's so hard

604
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760
because like I feel like it kind
of goes into everything, but

605
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,320
mainly couldn't finish games
couldn't finish with big

606
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360
recruit.
You know that has other stuff in

607
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800
there, but I just couldn't
finish man.

608
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,320
I mean, OK, makes sense I.
Mean you won, you won in 12 in

609
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,040
one score games.
It's truthful, yeah.

610
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,920
It's just.
And I hate it because I think

611
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360
that he's a he's a decent guy.
I don't want to just sit here

612
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,400
and bag on the dude, But I mean,
you couldn't win, brother.

613
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000
You know, I hope you you're
rich.

614
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,280
So you go go ahead and do
whatever you want to do.

615
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,840
I'm sure he's he'll get another
job somewhere, probably

616
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,000
defensive coordinator or
something.

617
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,840
But he just was not a good head
coach.

618
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,159
And I think it was mainly
because of his closing skills.

619
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,639
Curtis closing.
Skills, Sean, what about you?

620
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,320
Yeah, I agree.
I would say just by far and away

621
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,639
the biggest issue was the in
game coaching and game

622
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,320
management.
You know, I think it was just

623
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040
completely atrocious.
You know, I, I thought I have

624
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520
some, some minor quibbles with
recruiting and roster

625
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,480
management, but I thought for
the most part, you know,

626
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320
probably was OK there.
I just think he absolutely could

627
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
not, could not get the most out
of his talent.

628
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,440
And you know, some of it was
development.

629
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,719
Again, we don't know because
we're not exactly, you know, in

630
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,600
the room, but I just think when
you I, I remember arguing this

631
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,440
actually of last year when pry
get rid of those 4 assistants.

632
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,199
Obviously Marv, you know, the
strength coach, coach Crook.

633
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,920
And I think there was, I think
there's one other we I, I didn't

634
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,240
have an issue with getting rid
of the assistants.

635
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,960
I think we all know that they
needed to go and, and, and, you

636
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,360
know, the tech obviously could
have upgraded there, but I I

637
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080
felt like.
Getting rid of assistance if.

638
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,880
It was not the end all be all.
I think it was a it was still

639
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
fundamentally a head coach
problem because we've seen tech,

640
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,360
you know, if your if your
assistants are good enough to

641
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
keep you in close games against
good teams and you can never

642
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,800
finish them, brother, that's AU
problem.

643
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,200
And yeah, Coach.
Flintage excuse.

644
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120
Me probably just could never get
over that like he could just

645
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,720
could not get over that close
game hump.

646
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,200
And, and you see now, you know,
you bring in 50 new kids, 30

647
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,040
transfers, you know, you don't
know how good these guys are

648
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,480
'cause, you know, you're trying
to desperately win games.

649
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,720
And it just, you know, they,
they, they faced adversity and

650
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,480
they couldn't handle it.
And they just completely quit on

651
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840
them.
And so I think it was just kind

652
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,880
of a cascade of, you know, the,
the, the series of, of loss that

653
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
we suffered from last year and
just how that kind of affected

654
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,080
the program.
So, yeah, it was just just in

655
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,120
game coaching acumen, attention
to detail was just abysmal.

656
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,520
I thought.
I think that was the biggest

657
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,920
thing more than recruiting here,
certainly.

658
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,880
All right, Curtis.
Curtis, now before you go into

659
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,440
yours, I know you're going to
bring us home.

660
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,200
I want the dress.
That's Phil, right?

661
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,400
That's Phil.
Yeah, well, Phil on.

662
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,240
That what what he says.
I bet they keep money on one

663
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,000
more year since the next since
next year's schedule is trash.

664
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,400
No they ain't.
That's not having to Phil.

665
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,120
Phil, you need to go up there
and tell them who you are and

666
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,320
tell them you are moments on the
Mori and you will not stand for

667
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360
that.
But honestly, you know I'm going

668
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,320
to do it in Alabama.
I don't know nothing, but I've

669
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,720
heard enough to know they
understand that can't happen

670
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,480
like we.
We can't be here.

671
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,960
Like Jason said, he's going to
be here in 2026.

672
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,080
Wit can't be here at the end of
this year.

673
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Wit can't be there.
They're.

674
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,760
Not going to, you know, put till
Teal's been saying a lot of

675
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000
stuff.
He may be right, but I think

676
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400
he's wrong.
Like wit's not going to be here

677
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640
and they're going to they're
going to have to hire a coach.

678
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,200
They're they're not going to be
able to do that.

679
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,840
But the other thing.
Is this if we're going to a new

680
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,400
model, which is not going to be
over football anymore, the GM

681
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,360
will be over football.
So if he's here, he ain't

682
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,160
touching football.
Here's my issue, the biggest

683
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,760
issue of pride tally.
I thought you were going to go

684
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,960
to this and I'm glad you didn't.
He's too fucking loyal.

685
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Too many people way too often.
His coaches, you know when he

686
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
when he made those hires of
bowling and Marv is like these

687
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,480
are too inexperienced guys, but
these are my guys.

688
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Loyalty got him there.
Loyalty got him numerous times

689
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,760
when you were saying just bench
the guy.

690
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,520
It doesn't matter who you bring
out because you've said it.

691
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
I think we've all said it.
If you just bench the guy for

692
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,040
the rest of the game, at least
you get a point through his head

693
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,080
of I am not afraid to take you
off that field if you're bad.

694
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,080
And he just never could do it.
He never could do it

695
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,240
consistently to where we've seen
other coaches.

696
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,520
You ain't having a good game.
Go sit in.

697
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,360
Well, coach, I'm going to start.
I don't care.

698
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Just sit down, go sit in the
corner and think about it.

699
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
If you're a starter, you're
going to play better and if

700
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,880
you're not going to play better,
you're not going to play

701
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,240
anymore.
And that was his.

702
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,880
I think that was his biggest
downfall.

703
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,320
I think if there were time, Ben
Bell ripped.

704
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Somebody's helmet off and was
talking trash about how he

705
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,240
ripped the helmet off to him and
the quarterback was pointing to

706
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,440
the scoreboard and Pride just
looked at him like he was his

707
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,320
little brother and said, man,
you can't do that.

708
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Like, no, that ain't that's not
what a head coach does.

709
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,400
He was definitely too loyal to
other coaches, too loyal to

710
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,560
players.
If that would have been a real

711
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,680
coach like you would have been
seeing him get in somebody's

712
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,920
ass.
Like, bro, you can't RIP the

713
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640
quarterback's helmet off.
Can't RIP nobody's helmet off,

714
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,720
but you RIP the quarterback's
helmet off by getting beat 28 to

715
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,520
0.
So oh, it's true.

716
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,160
It's.
Perfect, perfect.

717
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,720
Perfect way to put it, Curtis.
There you go.

718
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,560
Loyalty.
Loyalty will get you sometimes.

719
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,200
All right, let me ask y'all this
real quick now.

720
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Right now we're in the 30 day
portal window.

721
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,840
Dante Lovett jumped in it as
quick as he could and then you

722
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,360
get 2026 Thomas Wilder
decommits.

723
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,800
Does any of that shit even
matter right now to y'all

724
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Doesn't.
Matter to you, Somebody else

725
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,280
just be committed too.
I don't know, one of the kids

726
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,880
just be committed a few minutes
ago, maybe an hour ago or

727
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,280
something.
I will.

728
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,680
You know it doesn't.
Matter.

729
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Let me see who it was.
But it does it.

730
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,680
None of that matters because.
Don't kill me.

731
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,400
I'm not saying we getting this
person, but if they go hire

732
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, does
it matter who decommitted or who

733
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,400
jumped in the portal?
Because who you bring in is

734
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520
going to attract a certain crowd
anyway.

735
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,680
You know, even if you bring in
damn Mullen or you bring in Huff

736
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,440
or you bring in something.
John Group, whoever.

737
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,520
You bring in, yeah, whoever you
bring in is going to attract a

738
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,160
different crowd anyway.
So people decommitting or, you

739
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,080
know, people getting in the
portal, It, it's part of it, it

740
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
has to happen.
I I think we're in.

741
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,480
An era too where it does not
matter as much anymore, right?

742
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000
With the portal, with so much
movement.

743
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440
And I think that you was always
an issue.

744
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Like, how many times did people
say you you got to hold on to

745
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,920
the recruiting class?
Yeah.

746
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,200
And now you kind of think back
like that might have been the

747
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,160
dumbest damn thing ever because
what if they don't fit what you

748
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,080
do?
All you're doing is getting

749
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,640
bodies.
You don't need bodies.

750
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,920
You need people that can play
football and in your style of

751
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,440
football.
So all right.

752
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,040
So we it doesn't matter.
Tally's trying to effort.

753
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,240
Sorry I I had not been on SO
KJKJ.

754
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Gillespie.
Cameron.

755
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,760
Gillespie, that's the big kid.
From the big D tackle down in

756
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,800
North Carolina, right?
Yes, all right.

757
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,400
Oh, he's a defensive.
End linebacker.

758
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,160
Yeah, yeah.
OK, so it to me they don't

759
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,480
matter anymore because I know
some people I heard in in y'all

760
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,360
mind I've seen this Saturday
night.

761
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Do they want to wait a couple
weeks and make sure these guys

762
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,120
can't Portland, Who gives a
shit?

763
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,560
Who cares?
Because if, if they're going to

764
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,960
leave, they'll leave in
December.

765
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Yeah, you got to let the kid.
Do what's what they going to do

766
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,080
for themselves, you know what
I'm saying?

767
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Like they got to try to find
somewhere to go.

768
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,960
They understand it's going to be
a new regime coming in and they

769
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,840
may not, you know, they may not
jive with them.

770
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,680
You know, you see that happen
all the time.

771
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,120
They're going to want to bring
certain kids in.

772
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,960
They're going to want to bring
kids to fit their their style

773
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,240
and what they do.
So I don't I don't that's part

774
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,320
of what happens.
A kid is going to get in the

775
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,400
portal to try to find a better
spot for himself.

776
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,960
To me it's actually.
Really good because you get to

777
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,680
make a choice because by all
means Dante Levitt jumped in

778
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000
great, that's his choice.
Now what would suck is if they

779
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,560
bring in some stud defensive
coach, man, only go play for

780
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,480
them.
Homie, you got in the portal the

781
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,400
day you could, first day you
could.

782
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,480
And now you go, you have to walk
into that office and be like,

783
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,720
hey, I'd like to play here.
Like dude, you left day one,

784
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,840
right?
That's the choice you.

785
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,240
Make again, these are 18 to 23
year old guys and some people

786
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:14,680
say well, you can't let them
make No, let them.

787
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
This is how you learn.
It's how you learn things in

788
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,800
life.
You make a choice.

789
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,440
It is it is completely on him
now.

790
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,080
So I really for Dante, I really
hope they don't bring in some

791
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,440
stud corner coach to hope they
do.

792
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,720
I don't need him, but we need
it.

793
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,560
He wants it all.
Right.

794
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Let me ask you all this, just
just in general, because some

795
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,320
people are saying this team has
no talent.

796
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
I don't believe that.
I think there's some talented

797
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,880
people on this team that can
play.

798
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,240
Do y'all think this team is is
talentless?

799
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,320
No, I don't think we're.
Talentless, I think we have some

800
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,000
talent.
We don't have a we're not super

801
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,800
deep.
We don't have a lot of talent.

802
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,800
I mean, it's it's been showing,
but a lot of that talent that

803
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,280
may be there, we can't see
because we don't have people who

804
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
do how to coach them because it
seems like everybody who leaves

805
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,440
is getting better because
they're going to get real

806
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,880
coaching and then they're doing
better.

807
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,240
So people who are on the roster
are talented.

808
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,960
But you know, is it is it the
coaching that the reason that

809
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,480
they aren't reaching their their
ceiling?

810
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Who knows?
You know, Andretti said it no

811
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,520
heart.
You're playing with no heart.

812
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,120
I've seen, I've seen and again,
I said this before and I'm not

813
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,000
pointing any kid out.
I'm pointing this kid out but.

814
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,800
I seen.
Jaden Keller go up in the hole

815
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,360
and hit OD us running back and
get threw off when he outweighs

816
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,680
him.
Probably about 30 lbs got

817
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,160
through to the side and they get
the the running back runs for

818
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,320
about four yards sometimes.
That doesn't have to do with who

819
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,840
low man wins.
That doesn't have to do with how

820
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,960
strong you are.
That kid just wanted it more

821
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200
than we did.
That team wanted it more than

822
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,280
us, you know, when you were able
to get four and five yards,

823
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Basil Tooten did it all the
time, you know, so.

824
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,800
I don't know man.
It's just, you know, yeah,

825
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,800
somebody said Kyron sliding
before the 1st down.

826
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,960
He he never, I've never seen him
slide.

827
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,360
Even when he when he dives, he
goes head 1st and I'm like, why

828
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,080
are you diving?
Why are you going head first,

829
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,480
man?
You know, sometimes you got to

830
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,360
get out of bounds and sometimes
you got to not take a hit.

831
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,240
He slid not even thinking about
getting the first down.

832
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,360
That's just no heart, man.
You know, that was a team that's

833
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,840
done.
That was for whatever reason, a

834
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,600
coach that's done, a team that's
done.

835
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,840
There's no heart on that team.
So it don't matter if you Got

836
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Talent OR not.
I think we Got Talent.

837
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,920
I think we have no, no, no
heart.

838
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,560
I I think the most.
Jarring thing for me was just to

839
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,960
see the the quit level, like,
you know, to the point where

840
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
like if I'm a player in that
locker room, like, dude, are you

841
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,760
kidding me?
Like you, you, you, you So what,

842
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,000
like you give a couple
touchdowns at Vanderbilt and

843
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,240
then you just completely
implode.

844
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,880
Like if I'm a leader in that
locker room thinking like, you

845
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,400
know, kind of like what what
Rick Pitino has said in that,

846
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,720
that, that that halftime
speeches, like who raised you?

847
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:13,080
Like you got to be able to deal
with adversity better than that.

848
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
So I don't know, man, I I think
we've got some talent.

849
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Like I think that D lines got
some dogs, you know, I think

850
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,200
we've got some good running
backs, receivers I think have

851
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,120
some potential Current to me has
just kind of been an enigma.

852
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Like I feel like he's kind of
his temperature is kind of

853
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,760
whatever the temperature of the
team is.

854
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,120
It's just really up and down.
So I don't know, it's just,

855
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,600
it's, it's hard to, it's hard to
evaluate when, you know, you

856
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,320
just have a team that just does
not have any sort of resiliency.

857
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,040
And the moment that they, they
face adversity, they just hold

858
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,000
like, you know, I think they
could, they could play better if

859
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,920
maybe they, you know, we're,
we're better coach and they,

860
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,720
they were, you know, more
passionate about, you know, the

861
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,880
product they put on the field
and they took pride in playing

862
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,120
for Vt and, you know, playing
for each other, but we just

863
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,800
haven't really seen that.
So it's just it's just hard to

864
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,160
say when you have the when you
have those, you know, external,

865
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,920
those external factors kind of
playing, playing, playing right

866
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,920
now a team full.
Of thermometers, everybody's

867
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,800
gauging the temperature and and
let there be no thermostats.

868
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,080
Ain't nobody changing the
temperature on that day.

869
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,920
I'm telling man, that's bars.
That's bars.

870
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,400
That is that.
Is bars man.

871
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,760
Respect on that tally.
Well, well somebody has been

872
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,840
charged with doing that for the
rest of this season and that is

873
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,000
going to be Philip Montgomery's
going to be the interim coach

874
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,200
and a a lot of people are like
why not JC maybe get Fontelle a

875
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,920
chance in tell you led last time
Shelton, in your opinion,

876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Shelton made a switch here.
The computer died.

877
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Is it the right move?
Is it?

878
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,600
Yeah, take your time.
It is the right move I.

879
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,720
Think, you know, obviously JC is
very well respected by the Hokie

880
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,640
community, rightfully so, but I
think Monty's just got kind of

881
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,120
got that built in head coach
experience.

882
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,240
So you could tell, you know, at,
at his press conference

883
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,520
yesterday, he, he, he seemed to
be, you know, taking a very

884
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,080
active leadership role in the
same, you know, we're looking at

885
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,920
changing some things, changing
the tempo practice, which I, I

886
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,600
really like.
Apparently, you know, the guys

887
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,040
are playing pretty slow recently
practicing, I guess maybe some

888
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,560
of that was because they were
banged up a little bit.

889
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,440
But I mean, he's got several
years of head coaching

890
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,000
experience.
I think he's kind of guy that

891
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,960
you want leading in your program
right now in, in these difficult

892
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,480
times.
The thing with JC is like, OK,

893
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,560
we all know he's a Hokie legend,
but you know, do we really want

894
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,280
him to, you know, have his have
his legacy be potentially

895
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,680
tarnished if this team goes, you
know, 3 and 9 and and how does

896
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,080
how does he respond if, if they
do start losing like that, like

897
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,920
1 and 11?
True.

898
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Yeah, that too.
So, so how is he he able to, you

899
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,800
know, route the troops in that
situation?

900
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,360
I, I think, I think I, I trust
Monty's instincts and I feel

901
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,240
like he's the supreme adults in
the room that kind of get these

902
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,280
guys together and hopefully win
a couple of games.

903
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,320
I know we're not going to win
many, but hopefully we can win a

904
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,880
couple and win the last one too.
No, I agree.

905
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,440
I.
Think that, you know, that's the

906
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,640
right move.
You don't want to be in this

907
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,120
situation, but here we are.
And Montgomery probably is.

908
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Is, is the guy who out of the
coaching staff is the closest to

909
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,640
being a head coach somewhere
else, You know, so he's going to

910
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,760
probably take it.
I'm not saying the other coaches

911
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,080
won't take it serious.
He's probably going to take it

912
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,080
the most serious and try to
build something to to get

913
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,480
somewhere else, you know, to to
go to his next stop.

914
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,320
JC.
He went down to the, you know,

915
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,920
in the UVA game and he won that
and, you know, was emotional.

916
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,040
And then this is my home.
This is that's what you want to

917
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,600
remember him as you know what
I'm saying?

918
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,520
You don't want him to remember
him for what?

919
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,440
What this bullshit that's going
to go on this year.

920
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,800
I'm going to tell you right now
we about to get curb stopped by

921
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,240
some of these teams.
I ain't going to I don't even

922
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,320
want I'm going to have to watch.
You know what I'm saying?

923
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:02,800
I got to go through it, but it's
going to be bad man all.

924
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,120
Right.
We'll give you all my opinion on

925
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,240
this because it's a logical 1.
In 2021 when everything

926
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,360
happened, a we had 2D line
coaches.

927
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,000
That was the one big thing.
That's why you could let JC do

928
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,280
it.
But it was for a three-game

929
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,400
stretch.
And at that point in time the

930
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,680
team was, I believe, four and
six, right?

931
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,880
Four and six or five and six,
five and five.

932
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,440
The team, it wasn't downtrodden
like this.

933
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,040
You needed an emotional jolt to
that team.

934
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,480
You got it.
They went.

935
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,800
They banged with Miami for 3/4.
They ended up losing.

936
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,000
They beat UVA next week.
You needed the JC price.

937
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,560
You needed the emotional leader.
It's nine games.

938
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,280
Emotion is not going to get you
through nine games.

939
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,080
It might get you 2 through a
three.

940
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,000
But Montgomery?
Eight years at Tulsa.

941
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,400
He's been a head coach eight
years.

942
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,120
That's what you need.
You need.

943
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,360
Someone with structure, like you
said, Shelton, you made a

944
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,080
perfect point.
He's already talking about we

945
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,560
might need to do some things
different.

946
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,760
And the thing that really always
caught my ear, this, I know his

947
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,880
head coach speak and tell these
guys, listen, it ain't over yet.

948
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,200
We're three games in.
You can write your story, right?

949
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Trying to get that buy in back
from him to say, yeah, you got

950
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,640
in the shit kicked out of you
the first three weeks of the

951
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,960
season.
We got 9 left.

952
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,240
You go back and do something
stupid like win 5 or 6 games,

953
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,000
think what you're going to be,
think of people how will think

954
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,600
how people will think of you,
how the next coach will think of

955
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,120
you, how going through the
portal and look at my tape.

956
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,560
I didn't quit, I fought back.
I tried everything I could.

957
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,880
It might get you the extra
30,000 on the NIL deal next

958
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
year.
So I mean.

959
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
It's.
Yeah, you audition, you go out

960
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,080
there and you bust your ass.
So I'm, I'm with y'all.

961
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,920
It's the right move.
I think there's no chance in

962
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,240
hell he is a full time coach and
if somebody put that in there, I

963
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,160
think Phil fucking with us,
there's no way he's going to be

964
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,320
the head coach unless he does
something really stupid.

965
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,120
There's only. 1.
If he goes not in, no.

966
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Man, I'd I'd fucking consider
I'm.

967
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,560
Taking not a no going to the ACC
Championship.

968
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if he did that, I mean, if

969
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,120
he if he does that, you got to
give him something, right?

970
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,240
But I don't see that.
I don't see that either.

971
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,240
I.
Don't see that but.

972
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,640
If it does, you know, crazy
things have happened.

973
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,920
If he somehow just goes on a run
and we are in contention for the

974
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,160
the ACC, I'd be like damn, you
know, maybe this is the guy was

975
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,840
here.
They they hired they hired the

976
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,760
right head coach.
They just didn't put him in the

977
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,160
right spot the year before or
the year up.

978
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,280
Let's get to this real quick.
Sheldon, I know you're running

979
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,480
low on battery.
We we we ain't got too much more

980
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,040
to go here before we hit all my
predictions and then big screens

981
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,160
and we'll wrap her up.
So not the longest episode

982
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920
tonight, because it's Wofford
and God damn it, we better be

983
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Wofford.
But.

984
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,160
What are your?
Expectations for this team.

985
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,200
There's nine games left Starfoot
Wofford this week.

986
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,800
Wofford State Wake, Georgia
Tech.

987
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,040
Cal.
Louisville, Florida State.

988
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,480
Miami, Virginia.
What are your?

989
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,920
Expectations.
Well, I can tell you.

990
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,240
They're not very high.
I was looking at some of the

991
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,320
numbers from SP Plus right now
our our win projection is 3 and

992
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080
9.
So not ideal.

993
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,440
We don't know where there's
where those two wins are going

994
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,840
to come from.
There's two FBS wins.

995
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:35,040
But I would say from a holistic
perspective, like just show some

996
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,640
compete level, like show that
you care about, about the

997
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,600
program and about, you know,
playing with that Virginia Tech

998
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,760
in your chest.
And, you know, like I said,

999
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,280
playing for the guys, playing
for the coaching staff and the,

1000
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
and the guys that are, you know,
next to in the trenches.

1001
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,120
I just think like I, I certainly
think they're more talented than

1002
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
what they've shown.
Now how much better again, we'll

1003
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,400
see, but I don't, I don't want
them to to just look at this

1004
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,440
season like a waste.
Like we're we're all paying for

1005
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,640
this product, man.
Like we are technically we are

1006
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,960
paying your salaries.
We are paying for if you are a

1007
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,720
donor, if you're a donor, you
are paying for these guys

1008
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,000
salaries.
So if I'm going to check out, I

1009
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,800
think does a disservice to donor
ticket purchaser.

1010
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Right to the.
Institution so just just show

1011
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,240
that you care and just go out
there and win some games, man.

1012
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:17,920
Like, don't, don't worry about
the outcomes because we know

1013
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,760
this team probably isn't going
to go a ball game, man.

1014
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,280
Just play for pride, all right?
Look who is pride?

1015
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,360
Not pride, just so y'all know.
Correct.

1016
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,360
Yes.
All right, Tally, I'm going.

1017
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,000
To bring somebody's joining us
here.

1018
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,080
Look who?
Look who's taking a little

1019
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120
sabbatical from his vacation.
This dude.

1020
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,080
This dude is dedicated.
Look at this dude man.

1021
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,320
Y'all don't know Brian is on
vacation right now.

1022
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,040
He has decided to pop in.
I can't tell if he's drunk or

1023
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,560
high or neither or just how.
In life, all of them I don't.

1024
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Know no, I'm I'm exhausted is
what I am, but I'm here.

1025
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,640
What's up guys?
Probably got fired.

1026
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,600
Probably got fired.
It's crazy.

1027
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,240
Phil.
Phil.

1028
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Phil thinks that.
The AD is going.

1029
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,200
To be here in 2026 and Monty's
going to be the coach in 2026,

1030
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,000
just for a year.
So I need you to call Phil and

1031
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,040
get him right.
I know at least one of.

1032
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,920
Those is probably not going to
be true, so.

1033
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,360
We'll see what happens with the
other one.

1034
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,880
If we win nine in a row,
whatever, whatever y'all were

1035
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,480
talking about, then somebody
said it's.

1036
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Brian with pry.
It's Brian with Pry.

1037
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,080
I've not seen pry in.
Orlando I can I can that I have

1038
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,800
not seen pry in Orlando.
Oh man.

1039
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,640
Well, Brian, let me.
Let me pitch to you.

1040
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,600
What's your expectation?
For the rest of the season, 9

1041
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:51,160
games left.
If we win two more than the

1042
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Wofford game, I would be
surprised.

1043
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,600
So give me, I think 3 is kind of
my that that's my over underline

1044
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,200
three 3 1/2 would be kind of
where I'm putting the the wins

1045
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,480
for the rest of the year.
All right.

1046
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,240
Yeah, I'd say.
Three, you know, if if you get

1047
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:10,200
3, three wins out of the the
rest of the games, I'd be like,

1048
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,880
OK, you know, not that we did
good, but it'd be probably

1049
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,200
exceeding my expectations from
now on because I'm never going

1050
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,600
to say we're going to lose the
to to UVA just because I don't

1051
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,520
think they know how to beat us.
It don't matter what's going on.

1052
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,720
They find a way to give us the
game, hopefully Wofford this

1053
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:31,240
week and then you mess around
and play somebody like a Wake

1054
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,120
Forest and luck up and win.
So I'm just looking at it like

1055
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,640
that, you know, three wins is
about what I expect.

1056
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,360
I'm counting here.
It's like somebody said like 2

1057
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,600
outside Wofford.
Wofford.

1058
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,160
I think we can beat Wake.
I think we'll be, I'm going to

1059
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,640
go forward.
I think they're going, they're

1060
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,200
going to fuck up somebody's
season.

1061
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,280
Probably and and hold on.
I don't know, let's let's

1062
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,120
discuss that for a second.
If it was one team season we

1063
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,440
could fuck up, who would y'all
want it to be?

1064
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,200
It's got to be who it.
Is it's got to be Miami for me,

1065
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,920
but Miami, yeah.
I would.

1066
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,440
I would definitely say Miami
ain't.

1067
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Nobody.
But I don't think it's going to

1068
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,720
happen but.
I'm just saying like that's what

1069
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:15,800
we want, right?
Like it's going.

1070
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,200
To be.
Miami, man, it's got to be

1071
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,640
Miami, right?
They're going to come.

1072
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,040
Down here in November and it's
going to be like a 41�� rainy

1073
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,200
miserable day going fuck up the
snaps.

1074
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,120
We'll block a pun or something.
Then we go in like 2117.

1075
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Yeah, it'd have to be it.
It would be Miami's destiny for

1076
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,400
something like that to happen.
11 and 10.

1077
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,560
And O coming in.
It's A2 win, Virginia.

1078
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Tech team.
And we just.

1079
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,720
Ruin.
That whole season.

1080
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:54,760
All right, so let's roll on.
Is anybody not predicting to

1081
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480
win?
Against Wofford.

1082
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,840
They're O and three, they're
literally the worst, I think the

1083
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,320
worst offense in the FCS right
now.

1084
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,920
If they ain't the worst, they're
pretty low.

1085
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,520
Let's just do like.
Let's just do, like Brian said

1086
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,720
last last week, we got to keep
predicting to lose because

1087
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,520
that's what they keep doing.
So let's just say everybody do

1088
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,840
it this week, you know, if they
lose this one.

1089
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,400
You got to just.
Send the whole athletic

1090
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,280
department to the moon, to the
to the.

1091
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:27,880
Moon all right, there we go.
So hey, it's the it's.

1092
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,480
The It's the Mike Young ball, by
the way.

1093
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Oh yeah.
Young ball Walker.

1094
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,840
There we go.
That there's a program that's

1095
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,080
saying speaking my gun.
Can't wait for basketball

1096
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,760
season.
At least we've actually got some

1097
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,840
expectations there.
Do you think basketball?

1098
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,920
Is going to be good, Sheldon.
I think they'll be solid.

1099
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,280
They'll be a solid team.
Yeah, you do.

1100
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,000
OK, I.
Haven't worthy or bubble?

1101
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,800
Worthy bubble.
Worthy.

1102
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,400
Bubble worthy.
I haven't.

1103
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Paid attention.
At all.

1104
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,800
So I can't hate you.
Well, except the Greek.

1105
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,000
Kid, you've been paying
attention.

1106
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
I mean, everybody's been.
Talking about that.

1107
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,480
So yeah, you had to look at that
a little bit, but other than

1108
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,400
that, don't know nothing is is
Toby Lawal still on the team?

1109
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Toby Lawal still on the.
Team OK, come back.

1110
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,240
OK, we might we.
Might have some excitement at

1111
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,680
least.
Hey, as of.

1112
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Right now, our starting point
guard didn't get busted in a

1113
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:19,520
point shaving scandal.
Decided he wasn't.

1114
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Going to play this year or you
know.

1115
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,640
Any other?
Thing that's.

1116
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:23,920
Happened the last five.
Years.

1117
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,520
I just went to mess that stuff.
All right, so we don't have the

1118
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,360
fun graphics this week, but
we're all predicting a win

1119
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,200
against Wofford and we don't
have the graphic.

1120
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,400
But I'm going to tell you what
for me, Brian and Tally last

1121
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,720
week, that kicked us in the
nuts.

1122
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,640
Me and Tally went O and four,
Brian went one and three.

1123
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,520
Shelton great job 500 for the
week on those games.

1124
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,440
Horrible.
It was.

1125
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,440
Horrible.
So currently right now, Shelton

1126
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,560
leads the way at six and six.
I'm at 5:00 and 7:00.

1127
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,320
Brian and Tally tied at 4:00 and
8:00 on the season.

1128
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,160
So don't don't bet with me.
Guys, don't bet.

1129
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,040
With Shelton, you'll break even.
There you go.

1130
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,280
You know what I'm I'm doing.
Pretty good picking these hokey

1131
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,640
games though.
We hope you're right this week

1132
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Brian is 3 and O picking hokey
game this year.

1133
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,760
So we do have big screeners this
week and we were in the chat

1134
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:31,640
looking at Hey Phil.
I feel you, Phil.

1135
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,640
Tell, tell us which game.
That's what Phil's going to do.

1136
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Phil is one of our sponsors
here.

1137
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,560
You tell us what to fade.
Who who are you fading as you

1138
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,360
listen to these?
But we were looking this is a

1139
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,920
good week of college football
legitimately like, like, you

1140
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,320
know, it's a lot of good games.
Nothing like, Oh my God, it's 2

1141
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,680
versus 3 or one versus 4, but a
lot of really good games.

1142
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,240
And I'll start it off here.
Let's go to Miami.

1143
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,280
It's Florida.
It's Miami.

1144
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,720
Miami laying 7 1/2.
For some reason, Billy Napier

1145
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520
thought it was smart to let DJ
Lagway throw the ball 50 times

1146
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,200
in Death Valley.
That man, how he has not been

1147
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,440
fired, I do not know.
Miami is rolling the built to my

1148
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,880
city.
Crystal Ball got the trenches

1149
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,720
built.
They got a quarterback that's

1150
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,080
operating efficiently and I'm
all straight up say this.

1151
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,800
I think they hammer Florida.
I think they hammer Florida. 7

1152
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280
1/2 is not enough.
Billy Napier is the next coach

1153
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,920
fired on Sunday morning after he
gets waxed down in South Beach.

1154
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Crime man.
I'm going to go to the opposite.

1155
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,240
Of you, I think Florida keeps it
close.

1156
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,280
I think it's going to be a
Florida team that is motivated

1157
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,440
to do they cover them.
If you told me Miami was going,

1158
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,120
was still going to cover, I
think, I think.

1159
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,400
They're still going to cover,
but I think they're going to

1160
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,040
keep it close.
Is he?

1161
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Fired they would be OK.
He keeps the fired regardless.

1162
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Regardless, OK, Cali, Miami.
Miami.

1163
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,440
Napier win that.
Game he's fired.

1164
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,280
That's basically where I'm at
if.

1165
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,120
If Napier don't win, he's fired.
Well, him and Brent.

1166
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,960
Pride are going to be in Bahamas
together because he's not

1167
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:33,240
winning.
Yeah, I'm pulling.

1168
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,000
Up my.
I think you're going to say

1169
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,480
yeah.
I'm taking taking Miami.

1170
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,640
I thought that for a second.
I feel like Florida is probably

1171
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,520
due for, for a win, but like, I
also, I don't know, I, I feel

1172
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,120
like they're, they're going to
tank with Napier.

1173
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,200
I just I, I, I don't, I don't
get good vibes from that

1174
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,560
program.
So they quit.

1175
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,120
Yeah, I really like.
My Are they quitting Saturday?

1176
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,000
Night.
I think so too, I think.

1177
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,560
They're going to, I think
they're going to throw in the

1178
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,960
towels.
So I got Miami.

1179
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,360
Miami.
All right, tally you up next.

1180
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,560
What's your game, big guy?
My game.

1181
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,240
Was did I pick Auburn and
Oklahoma?

1182
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,480
You did.
And Oklahoma -7 1/2 my second

1183
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,720
favorite.
Team Auburn, you know, But guess

1184
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,960
what?
I think they're going to lose.

1185
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:23,960
I got I got Oklahoma, man.
I just think that Auburn, again,

1186
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,600
I do pay attention to Auburn
probably the second most out of

1187
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,880
all teams besides Virginia Tech.
And Auburn has just been running

1188
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,480
the ball for some reason.
They had really good wide

1189
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,280
receivers and they have not used
them at all.

1190
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,960
So I think this is going to be a
week that they use them.

1191
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,320
And if you haven't been using
them, I don't know what you look

1192
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,120
like.
So I think Oklahoma's going to

1193
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,680
get it, Sheldon.
Jimmy.

1194
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,400
Oklahoma.
All right, that's a.

1195
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,320
Change in the pic there you had
all the shoot.

1196
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Dang it, Dang it.
Oh, I was reading off the wrong.

1197
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,240
See, this is what happens when I
don't prepare.

1198
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:04,920
You're not preparing.
You're.

1199
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,520
Still really good, Sheldon.
Because I was.

1200
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,000
It's because I was reading.
Off Tally's Tally's thing, not

1201
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,080
mine.
Yes, I am taking Auburn.

1202
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,760
I do remember I picked Auburn.
But hey, who cares?

1203
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,240
I just hope it's a good game.
I think it will be.

1204
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,920
Brian.
Yeah, give me Auburn as.

1205
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,120
Well, I.
Think it's going to be a good

1206
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,240
game?
But I think Auburn's going to

1207
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,640
come to play.
They looked a little bit better

1208
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,440
last week so.
Let's see.

1209
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,440
I'm around with Tally on this
one.

1210
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,760
I think Oklahoma's going to win.
It's in Oklahoma.

1211
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,160
John Mateer and his arm angle
throws is unbelievable.

1212
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,120
I think he lights up that
defense.

1213
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,280
I still think it's a good game.
I think it's going to be a

1214
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,600
shootout like 3828.
Oklahoma pulls away an

1215
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,160
entertaining game on Saturday
night.

1216
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,600
Luckily our game's at 12 so I
can enjoy the rest of the day

1217
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,360
all righty.
Shelton.

1218
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,240
Let's go.
I am.

1219
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,160
Super excited about this game at
Texas.

1220
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,840
Texas Tech against Utah for some
reason.

1221
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,200
It's a 10 AM local kick.
I don't ask me about that. 12

1222
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,760
PM. 12:00 PM.
For us normal people on the East

1223
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,720
Coast, I, I went Utah.
They're sort of like my closet

1224
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,840
team just because I want
Virginia Tech to be like them.

1225
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,560
So I I am going with the Utah
youths.

1226
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,320
And that line is -3 1/2, Shelton
taking the point they're laying

1227
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,320
3 1/2, say, in Utah.
I'm with you on this one,

1228
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,520
Shelton.
I do believe that Texas Tech,

1229
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,080
they paid a lot of money it a 10
AM kick.

1230
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,040
That's.
Miserable.

1231
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,360
I don't care who you are.
That's miserable.

1232
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,480
You can't tailgate or unless you
get there, like 4:00 AM, the

1233
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,240
game's over by like one or two.
So Utah.

1234
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,920
Utah by a touchdown.
The money don't pay for wins,

1235
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,520
Ryan.
Yeah, give me Utah.

1236
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,680
As well, I think, I think they
almost win.

1237
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,200
That's going away.
Not not quite a blowout, but it

1238
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:13,160
could be at least 2 touchdowns.
All right, Texas Tech.

1239
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,800
Grand, We're going to go with
the Red Raiders.

1240
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,480
They're going to be inspired by
Michael Crabtree and go get a

1241
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,480
win all.
Right there we go.

1242
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,600
Got that.
Three of us on Utah.

1243
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,920
Cali says guns up.
That's one of my closet teams.

1244
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,760
I'm all I like Texas Tech when
Mike Bleach was there.

1245
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,680
Guns up, baby, guns up.
Brian, you got the last one.

1246
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,520
Where are we going, man?
We're we're heading.

1247
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,680
To Indiana man Illinois,
Indiana.

1248
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,600
Baby.
Yeah, maybe, maybe a.

1249
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,920
Future hokey coach in this game,
but I've got I've got Indiana

1250
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,520
taking this one.
Is Indiana. -5 1/2 Brian takes

1251
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,960
Indiana who who did the whoever
did the 2GO next?

1252
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Is that he?
It was me.

1253
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,960
I don't think that I, I seen a
couple people put that in the

1254
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:09,320
chat earlier saying seeing to to
VTi don't see it, but who knows,

1255
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,320
man, money talks.
So I'm going to say Indiana,

1256
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,880
though I think Indiana's going
to take this one.

1257
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,640
Shelton.
Yeah, remind me what?

1258
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,440
The spread is because I can't
see it on mobile.

1259
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,840
It's 5.
And a half and you texted me

1260
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,520
earlier.
Illinois, yes, right.

1261
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:27,920
Yeah.
No, I'm taking Illinois.

1262
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,280
The reason being is the thing
I'm concerned about Indiana is

1263
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,000
that they've not been challenged
at all and they're now going to

1264
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,960
face a top ten team.
I just don't like the way that

1265
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,520
the game is set up because
they've played three absolute

1266
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,880
cream puffs to this point of the
season.

1267
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,280
O do.
You.

1268
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,480
Yeah, well.
To be fair, O do you, hey, no

1269
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,360
one O do you will walk into
Wayne Stadium.

1270
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,160
They'll whip you around.
So respect O do you.

1271
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:55,040
But otherwise, yes.
Oh my God, Ed Shelton, I'm

1272
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,440
running along with you.
I like Illinois in this game

1273
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,360
with it.
If if they were laying 5 1/2, I

1274
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,920
like them.
I think Illinois is the better

1275
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,960
team.
Illinois.

1276
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,880
I don't think this is a great
Duke team.

1277
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,600
I think it's a solid Duke team
and they basically punched them

1278
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,640
and then just ran away from
later 4519 earlier this year.

1279
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,320
Brett Bieber looking coach.
He always has been.

1280
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,040
Able to coach, he's always had
good philosophies.

1281
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,800
He is a good head coach.
I think he would have done good

1282
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,680
at Virginia Tech.
I think Kirk Cignetti would do

1283
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,880
good at Virginia Tech because
they can coach football. 5 1/2

1284
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,640
Give me that Illinois win at
least 5 touchdowns.

1285
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,960
So so there it is.
No cool graphic this week

1286
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:46,480
because Brian's on vacay down in
Orlando, Cal Anybody else at the

1287
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,360
portal or anybody else
decommitted?

1288
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,680
No, not that I.
See, I mean, I expect to see a

1289
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,920
couple of them of it happening
here soon.

1290
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,920
But you know, we get Nick Saban.
Everybody will come back.

1291
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,880
So don't worry about it.
Everybody will come back.

1292
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:03,080
Nick Saban, That's it.
He, he needs he, he was born and

1293
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,720
raised in West Virginia.
That's the closest thing he can

1294
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,320
come as Virginia Tech to retire
for a few last seasons.

1295
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,480
So there we go.
All right with that.

1296
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,160
That does wrap up this episode
of the Boundary Corner Podcast

1297
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,520
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1298
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,720
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1299
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,200
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I'm Brian Secret.

1300
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,560
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1301
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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,080
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