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0:45 Welcome back to the boundary cornered podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian siglo buddy. Thursday night. We recording. We are recording the beers. We got beers, not only beers party, would fighting hokey Bruce. Thank you, Wegmans for carrying it is your pump buddy. Clink, he's playing Keys. Cheers, yes sir. Hopefully, this fall and Lane Stadium after the announcement that all. Everything is going to be lifted. Come June, 15th, they're selling those bad boys after the announcement last week about beers going to be sold that stick it in anything, but I'd love to see those two and only those two that support the school. They'll about you beer in lame, man, beer in lame, that's a brand new way of life.

1:44 Life and I can't wait to experience it man. Well I just hope it's not one of those things me and you roll up there on a Saturday and we tell our wives like, oh yeah, we're gonna go off, you know, we're going to hit Todd's have a couple drinks go to stay Liam. Watch gain will be home about midnight, 1:00 about 8:00. It's, we look at each other Ryan. We're not making it back to the RV, a tonight. It ain't happening. It ain't happening. We will have to find somewhere. That's um we just do / / Roanoke with Jason long. The chief musical officer here at the boundary Court podcast. Really I did we sleep in your basement? Tell Liz, we're stopping by. Yeah, tell it.

2:26 We're stopping by. I don't know how that'll roll man but you've been good this week. I've been good man. It's been a it's been a good week. We had a Good draft cold, sir, Colts did pretty. Well, didn't go. Where I thought we were going in the early rounds, but I think overall, I like the draft. What about you? How about, how about your Niners? I know you dodged a bullet, there bud. All right. That first Pig we were on the phone with it. And when Trail and his name came up, it was like, that's the pick where we are. Situationally. That is the pic you make. You know, unbelievable, Talent, Big Arm athleticism playing in a pro style under Center. Big play action, Run game down at North Dakota State and I was extremely happy, you know, and for everybody said mag Jones back.

3:24 Do first of all Niners, don't leak. The guy's mind, things up at the press conferences. And I think I told you about my theory was His pro day was on the 12th. Two weeks later, we make the trade two days later, he goes to work with John Beck, dip, it just made sense. It's like I think we like Justin Fields, not think they like Matt Jones to in a way. They evaluated all three, but Trey was that guy, you know? And then for us, you know, we pick up Banks out of Notre Dame, the big guard sermon out of Ohio State. Interesting, Pig up hours owner. First time we've ever taken positions that are under this regime, and then the river Thomas from Michigan, actually. Mocked him like us where 15 times at 10 to the ones safety. And then last pic was the, the running back at a lot Tech thing as latte.

4:30 Lafayette Mitchell, who's like a 4-3-3 cat, you know, a couple of things I didn't like we didn't hit, but I think it's one of those where We didn't need it but it is what it is. What's your, what's your other few favorite pics? Besides that first. Rounder and so we got quitting pay in the first round. Defensive end went right back again to defensive end with day while being bow. I feel like that's actually probably the higher I guess probably higher floor player. I don't know if he's going to necessarily pop like like quit. He has the potential to do but he's definitely a guy that you can put in there and be a productive. Rotational guy potential starter. I like the pickup of Kyle and Grandson at a SMU, the tight end, Sean Davis nother solid pick their its safety scratch my head a little bit with with Sam ehlinger, but I think Kind of a versatile type player that can throw the football. You know, could give us some other things to do at the quarterback position there.

5:43 So that's interesting. We had Mike stretching at Charleston wide receiver and then we finally went offensive line late in the draft got will freeze at Penn State guard. So overall a good draft. Like I said, I think just not going either tackle or some offensive line position earlier shocked. Me and probably I think shocked a lot of Colts fans, but doubling down on edge, is not a bad choice because we need to get after the quarterback. No, not at all. Bubbling down on edge, is never a bad choice, because get after the quarterback is such a key. Now Brian, the Hokies have for draft picks. Obviously, the first one kind of broke your heart a little bit.

6:24 Caleb Farley going to the Titans in division. Yeah, well so happy for that kids. So happy for Caleb. You know, unfortunately he gets a positive covid test two days before the draft, so he can't go up and walk across the stage but man, I love that. He's going to a defensive minded head coach love that. Yeah, good. Good to go to defensive-minded head coach. You know, still guys in the first round, despite some of the the buzz about the injuries and things like that, they were going around, glad to see that. You know, teams didn't quite take that as seriously as maybe some of the pundits did and 22 little sad for me that he's at the Titans. So I'll be pulling for him occasionally but names a year. Yeah, exactly.

7:21 Unless it's like, we ate 17 and if they win, they're in your out like sorry. Caleb lose. You will lose it. Now didn't take long to the You know, he was off the board after candle, when all the 22, 23 Minnesota Vikings, select Christian. Dara saw Big Sea, Dog going up to the North country and they needed line, help. Obviously, they're sticking with Kirk right now is a quarterback. They took mon later, but, you know, you think about what Mike Zimmer likes to do? Is no cool guy. He's a big run. The football, they've got Dalvin cook you You know, you're still paying Kirk a lot of money tend to have a rookie come in.

8:08 I think they've knocked it out of the park, personal knocked it out of the park. Absolutely. It's what they needed. It's what they needed to help with the, the way their scheme operates. So, great scheme. Pick great need pick and I just, I think he's going to do really well with the Vikings and I feel like they still got a steel getting him as late as 23 because I could have seen him going. In the top 10. He's really could have, um, in the one pig trying to think it was the god of USC, who was where a lot of people put what fourth, or fifth offensive tackle. The Jets traded up to get him a little interested by that. Because of what they do, I always thought Tucker was more of a power guy versus a Zone.

8:57 And since they're going to be running the Shanahan offensive war zone, war zone plays than anything. Thing, you know, I didn't quite agree with that and then he flips down. It's all good. He still great spot for him. Probably a better spot. He's going to a team that up until last year had been a playoff team, he's going to a good culture team, same with portal. If both want to really good teams where, you know, they don't have to come in here and make a big splash. They just come in there and do their job and Are building their reputations up. Yep. Exactly.

9:39 So next in a probably guy looking like he was going to be probably somewhere between 120 160 Divine. Diablo goes way up but it is graders. That's the Raiders. That's not a shock. Those to pick a tea in the most interesting part. I don't know if you caught this on Friday night From. Did you hear what? They announced a mass. Yes, weak side outside linebacker right? We and what divine being 63 225? I mean, you can do it.

10:20 Yeah, I think that's a good fit for him because it lets it plays to his strengths and it also gives the Raiders versatile nickel package where they can kind of do a lot of different things. Don't his alignment pre-snap. So I like that for them being able to not have to solve a lot. So I think that's a good pick for them and, you know, the Raiders not quite as stable, I guess of a franchise as the Titans and Vikings have been of late, but at the same time, not terribly, very, very feast, or famine type type franchise, but definitely some potential there with, with Chucky pulling the strings. Absolutely again.

11:05 I think it's keep it, it's good. I think just the way he's built, he's becoming you're going to see it more and more guys who played the free and strong positions in college who don't quite have the great range, but can tackle still have good speed. They're going to start putting that weak side. Linebacker to your point. It gives you excellent. Excellent nickel packages because guys like him, although against guys like George Kettle in the elite tight end, Still might not be able to completely contain or completely control them. He will contain them to, you know, he had six catches for 80 yards great, well if you put the other smell out there he would have went 12 4190 into touchdown.

11:51 It needs. We have someone that can control in a little bit because of size and feet. Exactly. All right. Last hope you went off the board to me. So many running back will pick the head of him. Including, you know, my team picking one ahead of him Khalil. Herbert goes to the Bears. What a story from born in Kansas? I'm having some monster games there but never becoming the one. Transferring, the portal coming to Tech season without paying having one of the most unbelievable seasons for a running back in the history rivaling, you know, David Wilson's, Brian Williams Darren Evans.

12:35 Thugs type Seasons. I mean, just just just so happy for him because that guy went on a journey from Florida. I mean, a journey we think that fit for him there. I think fit is going to be. I think it's good because he can work some, as we've seen we he did a lot with with kick return. He can work some there and he because of the stable of running backs they had it's going to be a little tough sledding to get snatched, but I think he's a very good complementary. A fit in a kind of a three type skill, specific rotation there and I think he could work himself into a position where he's kind of that that one a in the, in the rotation.

13:20 So I'm hoping that he does. Well, I think I mean obviously we followed him all year incredible season, use numbers, third in the country and all-purpose yards. What s? The ACC in rushing yards. I mean he went out there and completely tore it up for us this past year. And you know, he showed that you know we saw flashes of it at Kansas in a shared role once he got the lead back status with us, he really showed that he could carry that load and do everything that a running back is asked of Absolutely couple other undrafted guys Jarrod Hewitt to the Seahawks Oscar. Brad Burns going to get a chance with the Vikings Brian Johnson with the Bears.

14:09 Justice Reed going down to the Titan. So other guys getting signed, I know I'm probably missing a couple. I'm trying my best here, but those guys are least getting can't advise for a way to work. Potentially on it. The one of those for, I mentioned to watch out for, to get a starting job. Job Brian Johnson Bears your troubles he just goes out there and makes like from 45 to 50 consistently. They'll be like you're a kicker. If you're if you're making most of your under 50s especially if they're if most of those are over 40 they don't keep you. Yes, they all because they've had struggles. If you can bring some degree of consistency to that kicking game, that's going to keep you a job. Abso-freakin'-lutely.

14:57 All right, let's turn little more serious note, you know, Devon Hunters. Plea agreement came through a little earlier this week. Probably, the biggest things that came out of this brown was obviously all the charges went from felonies down to misdemeanors. He will not serve any time other than the, essentially a couple days. He spent after the initial incident, basically two-year terms, spend it all, but One day for each year, you know? I mean, it took, what is it almost a year we're closing in on almost you're closing in on a year? I think it was what late June?

15:38 Yeah, I think late June last year now. September last year so I could you know it's been covid guys. Excuse the faulty memory you know happens it happens to us all but now you know that passed him the way it kind of seemed he wanted to fight it eventually he said to himself I need to get on with college and other things on a chase in my life. This gives it down to here. And I can move on the Aquatic, a step forward move on. And, you know, we had talked about it. I posted on the, on the Twitter account there, you know. Hopefully, there's a path for him back for the Hokies. If not, I'm hoping there's a bathroom Back to Football somewhere.

16:30 Good kid. I think, you know, and everything that he's said and done since then, I think he's been the right step. And, you know sometimes Life judges US based on on our one, bad choice there. And I feel like that's something that happened with him and I feel like he's definitely put that past him and is ready to move forward. And I'm hoping that he gets an opportunity if not in Blacksburg somewhere else. Yeah. If not in Blacksburg somewhere else hopefully in Blacksburg, you know because essentially if you remember everything going through all pant kind of getting the wheels turning here, he was doing everything was that tune? It looks like he was going to start at You know, Rover boundary safety last year. And obviously he when everything happened, he was out kind of change the complexity of the defense, she didn't have him to bind in the Middle where the find the starter, you know, Hunter more of the freak.

17:28 So I don't know what has to happen. I know. It's probably going to be J board stuff or J board type stuff with, you know, Virginia Tech itself and then the athletics department would. But with the felonies gone, there's that path in me. E. Now it's the university with Babcock and then Justin its own. It's those three guys that have to make the decision in for kid, has been here for three plus years. This is the only thing he was done. I recruit had done everything asked of him. Took a red shirt. Did not complain. I really hope they say come back. Yeah, I'm right there with you man. Absolutely.

18:13 Hopefully that we find something out on that front in the next couple weeks. But as you said getting the felony charges out there mean that there's no longer the the automatic barrier to return and removing that hopefully the wheels start turning here and we can get get some some Headway on whether or not Hunter can rejoin, the team sometime soon. Hopefully. Alright, news breaking today, that that Okey Twitter again, all three one-way weak, man. It's been a week, ohnoki, Twitter, he's just crying. Sometimes, I didn't win, if y'all just need to take about 10 shots and just go to sleep. But I'm already Saunders, took a portal, the three-star Bill freshman out of Jacksonville, you know, the Tweet seen cordial and what's teams like, you know, Projected. It's lat.

19:13 First of all, Tavian Robinson, we know can play Survivor. So that hurt your chances right there, and then the Wayne law actually probably swiped the way in and then this happens. And then even the portal, you know, first of all, best of luck to him, whatever happens, I hope you land from where we can find the plane time. You you said something on Twitter and it's sort of summed up the way we kind of feel, we talked about it, you put it out there. Yeah. So I mean we're looking at it from a two-prong approach here. The problem that we're having big time is that outside of our first two guys?

19:57 We don't have anyone proven to play outside. Trades are very solid outside player. If not spectacular and Tay makes Please. But is probably better suited for the slot outside of those guys. There's not a whole lot of proven talent that can play on the edge but we got a ton of guys that can play the slot. Now ton of guys and it's makes it hard for guys to to get enough snaps to really show their potential. And I'm sure something like that is what's going on with with Tyree there and he's a talented kid. Made some Huge plays down in Florida. And I feel like he's just a guy that thinks that given the opportunity, given the snap count in practice. He can show what he can do, get more playing time and another place.

20:50 So that's the choice there and, you know, I don't blame him there. But let's go back to the problem that we're having. And we look at the outside, guys. And the slot guys, why are we building the roster like this? Well, to me, it's okay to be its own to people. It's on the head coach. It's on the offensive coordinator because, right? Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. We can't blame the other side of the ball. He put them at this on your far Williams and saying depart, partially your fault, too. Potentially. Yeah, but Jafar isn't the one constructing the church. If our supposition coach far as the guy recruiting, It's how Brad and it's how Justin are constructing this.

21:37 Yeah it goes. What's the blueprint? Like there is in and you gotta and you got to have like, even if you miss on the guy that you're targeting, you know, you got to have some sort of fall back that fits the type of player that you need to fill the areas of need. And I feel like we just haven't had that. I mean, maybe one of those other guys that's working in the slot. An can figure out how to figure out sliding outside. Maybe we'll see. But maybe, I mean, as of right now it's just we got a log Jam. It's lat including you know, the guy that we've been banding about for for a while here in Raheem Blackshear getting more snaps in the spring.

22:22 Probably going to be at least the rotational at that position. If not the number one guy coming come fall. It's just it's going to be Tough to see the field and I think Saunders was a guy. That was probably saying if you do the right things, you're going to get some some time and it just hasn't come to fruition the way he wanted it to. So the biggest issue with me is we should be recruiting and maybe some of these guys are playing X and y's, that's what you recruit because to me it's more than likely and you talked about this with Lyman Recruit the tackles if they can't play tackle can always go inside. If you can't play the x or the Y, you can always go inside likely to that position and it seems like the guys like your ass lat.

23:16 This is what you are. This is what you are instead of looking at the 10,000 foot view. It's the or urine X and your y on your are receiving Corps is looking like the early 2000's ready? Skins were like all the damn receivers are like 6 foot or under yeah, like Santana Moss and all right. Yeah, yeah. The early, those are those early Randall L and yeah, everybody would have ball. So, again, it's on to people why he's leaving the program. You know, if ands and buts Blaine coaching staff because it is coaching staffs fault, not recruiting correctly and that is what it is.

24:00 So, you know, now let's go to something that will make, you know, some people really happy the hard hat winners for 2020 162 total, which you know, out of 85 on scholarship. I couldn't tell you how many are walk on the primary and not but roughly with 100 plus guys you're looking at refits of your roster or hidden certain benchmarks in the weight room which is Great. Now I look a little bit closer and mean both did this, who are the top guys? Obviously, you would only see network is morning Dax, hollifield was the top guy. Followed by Luke bustle, the walk-on wide receiver potentially.

24:51 Maybe he's getting some PT in the fall with your lightest evangelicals and then you know nor L Pollard since the climate is definitely going to be on the committee, awesome to see blackston Burmeister the potential starting quarterback. For the Hokies we keep going down, hide Brock Hoffman and Let It Go Smith. I love that. Those two guys, Marco Lee Marconi was already a feast house. Doing this shows that he was willing to put forth that effort. And let's hope somebody not going to say who realizes you have a 235 pounds Manchild when its third and two.

25:37 You don't have to kill your quarterback. I digress. Josh fupa guys, food bill, we was already. Keyshawn artist looks massive. And last but not least walk on macksville pot. So how do you feel about those named LeBron? I feel pretty good, especially, you know, seeing less this and Brock in there. I feel really good about those guys. You know, you mention Keyshawn artist. He looks like I'm trying to think, I think of what a good crew dude is swole man.

26:23 Looks like Lattimer from the program coming down and I mean Yell you like seeing a leader like Dax at the top of the top of that list just because you know that regardless of what you see on the field, his leadership and the intensity that he brings to practices and to workouts and things like that, you know, that that that other players are feeding off that. So it's good to see him kind of at the top of the Heap there. Exactly some other names. Like, you're glad to see on here. Obviously, we saw the big squat the other week for the big lift the other week.

27:09 The wing Lofton up in there. Hendrix made it. Big Stone Gap. Made it Armani Chapman, really glad to see they're not sure he made it last year. Hopefully that shows he's got a little bigger on the outside, Amari far, no, good God Almighty, if he gains, just, you know, we talked last year He is 255, 260 with Peggy to Features put on 10 pounds, in the all that sky is the limit for that player. Sky is the absolute limit hand to God if he put on that weight. So he kept his twitch, there might be five left tackles in the country that can legitimately block him one-on-one for an entire game without giving up, by the end of the season, nobody wanted to see him anyway, if he, if he takes another step that's going.

28:01 To be dangerous. It is definitely going to be really, really dangerous, any other names on the list, Braun that called you, none that you haven't mentioned already. A lot of names which is a great thing to see. All right? Brian so While we were sleeping in a way. The college football's been discussing revising, potential change. Tell me about it. Curtis somewhere between 8 and 12 is what they're saying. They're sweet spots going to be 20, essentially solve the 12, Well, it's about 4 months ago in times before that we were in serious discussions.

28:47 About having a episode about a playoff idea. Brian had I'm basically talking about 12 teams, five, Converse Champions. If a group of five can crack the top 12 there in home games, first forged by home game for the next four then home games again. Then we started playoffs Brian, you might need to call somebody. Damn, Alexa, you are listening and you it's hold the NCAA of all. Freaking people call your lawyer and Sue. Everybody, Sue, everybody who everybody knew everybody. But legitimately it is the way that it's going to go there saying 8 to 12.

29:42 I think they're going to skip 8. And I think they're going to skip 84. The fact that you're going to have to do multiple home games. I keep hearing people say, well, you do, you do here, and then you do a bowl, and then you do another bowl, and then you have a championship, nobody's going to travel that much, essentially, 1 to 4 and 4 to 8 are all going to get home games. And then we're going to go to the same format. We are right now in the it's going to be beautiful because You know, this is my opinion and it, whether it's right or wrong, there's my opinion, getting more teams. Means, there's more likelihood for chaos. Why?

30:23 Because any one given Saturday any team can beat another team? An average team can beat an elite team with a perfect game plan executed flawlessly and that really high team. Having an off night. I go back, 2014 and a horseshoe. We were an average team that year with the perfect game plan, both sides of the ball, we'll put together against the eventual national champions and when that happens, chaos is going to ensue what also is going to happen. I know I'm talking a lot, Brian on your idea, but I'm laughing.

31:04 I am going to love to see ready. Wounding number. Eight. Four, five, six, seven, eight, Florida, Gators, have to play the number 7. give me a team up, north Michigan. They have to go to the Michigan, to The Big House. On December 5th. When it's negative Z, when it's -5 degrees, there's snow on the ground. Mmm. Please thank him have a better opportunity to win that game.

31:45 I went Michigan just because I was like, what's the team up? North it actually has a potential chance of being there. It sounds like that. Let's, let's go for it. But also the whole thing about not having useful sites for those first two weekends, great, because how many times do you see a team in a hostile environment play? Better versus a neutral site? Well, you're essentially getting one extra high-profile game for all of those good team. So you're at least going to get probably in the same ballpark in attendance and and things like that, that you would get at your rivalry game a long. When you add in the big-time bump, in revenue, from the television stuff that's going to come in, that's just it's hard to say no to It is, it's going to happen. It's going to be brilliant to see. I know they the one thing I saw was they did a 2007 model and of course, they did a 2007 or not, we were three, not two and it showed the breakdown and it's like going here to go in here. But it's going to be so much.

32:58 The interest is going to keep going. Some people sign to say, it's going to dilute the regular season. No, it's not going to dilute the regular season, because if you want to stop for teens, you're probably in, but you go fuck around and lose your rivalry game. You lost your home field advantage. When you might have actually lost the home field advantage, you might go from like 429 there like you're in but your ass is on the road, not once, but twice, Ice exactly, but love it. Now, we just get in the playoffs like me and you kind of sit here and look back, go through all the years as we've been a fans, like with with a 12 team format good more. How many times will we have been there? Yeah.

33:42 In the last 25 years. Like 15 probably I mean most to it like 99 definitely 01. 97-95 04 05, 07 08, 10 and 11. And it just gives you a chance and what it's going to do much like March Madness. More fan bases. Believe they can make it there. Yep. The more you can give a fanbase belief that they can make the playoffs. As you get into November people, don't turn off the TV's. People don't not, everybody makes money. Everybody makes money.

34:28 Everybody makes money. All right guys. So what we're looking at this week, if you haven't already checked it out with some clips off of hokey access on the ACC Network aired. After the baseball game. Last week actually are tonight at 9:00 and we pulled some clips that we want to talk about things or seeing things. We're hearing some funny things. Some things we want to get the clap to some things. We want to be more critical of. So I let's start the first couple Clips here, bro. Ron. All right. Here we go, buddy. That's a good look. Hey, that's too good. Rest. Thanks for leaving me hanging boss. It's all good. I don't worry about it. It's over now. Oh, got you. I'm playing it. Wired letting you know?

35:09 Oh man. But I'm going around to various players at each position group and ask them how their position coach is servicing them. How's he doing for you? To find out the stitches? Go smoothie got you right? How's he doing for you good? Yeah. He what you need as a Corners coach. Yeah, good. Good. During strong. Not a snitch. Each favorite coach on the staff. I got it. Don't say me. That was a mic position. Coach. Yeah, getting you right. Again, you what you need, as a wideout pops off the field. Yeah, I have. Matt cardle has been for you, man.

35:49 How's it going? How's he doing? All right, real good. Slow down like that and coach little bit for you. Right. How about you think he'd be a coach one day? Good jealous from me. Not a snitch. That's some good stuff right there. It when we talk about J Hamm, you know, the big thing that we always talk about J Hamm. Is that he brings The it Factor as a coach? Yes, he does. I don't know. A better way to describe it than that. It Factor.

36:30 He is see it back. There is no other way to say Brian. It's it. He just like his him interacting with players with coaches with media, it looks effortless. I know it's not. I know that whether it's, you know, his experience or whatever it is that it's a lot of work to get to that point but it just, it looks so effortless. He just seems like a good culture Fit For What Virginia Tech likes to do but also as good of a brand ambassador. Faster, as you could find as a coach. Absolutely. You talking about brand ambassador, but I want that guy in front of the mic every single time.

37:16 There's anything to deal with o.p.p., obviously we talked about earlier, the restrictions lifting, I am hoping that Richmond who Club has a hook and Club dinner in July. And I'm hoping he's a speaker. Because me and you will throw some money down and we will go to that in a heartbeat to hear that man talk. But it's also it's his personality that I think. It's also a guy, you can also, you know, see we play multiple positions, he has to learn how to talk the more people in different ways and then he went to the NFL and you talked about like training his, it VMI He wasn't at a big school. This is who he is.

37:59 This is one of those things you get lucky, and obviously, talking with the players asking, what they need, are they giving you what you need? Talking about the coaches, just getting a feel for everybody. I'm sure there were conversations in there that they probably edited out where I'm talking. I'm just not, I'm just not right right now coach. And I wish they would have showed one of those in the conversation. He had. I know I'm part of one. And I think it was Dorian strong. It was, he talked about. If you can remember how to do all your daps that you can't remember your covers. There is a problem. Like yea, he did that just before he asked him about about. Smitty, is basically saying to me, it's nice. As smooth as saying, make sure, you know what to focus on. Yeah.

38:52 Work comes first, get the other stuff in there too, but the work comes, you know, got a got to keep the focus where it needs to be. Yeah. Now the next clip you're going to put is this is a difference of that was the fun, joking. Being easy. I'm a, this clip speaks for itself and not brown. When it comes back, I want you to go right into what he's talking about there as a guy who played. All right, here we go, buddy. Things that are swirling around in your mind are happening. Here's what you need to know the same way you feel right now is the same way. That every young safety has felt. You gotta understand that you got to Divine Diablo, you look at him and it's like whenever we don't ever miss anything right, Devon Diablo felt the same way, you felt.

39:38 There's no way around it. You work through it and what you trying to get to is how you watch the game, the press fast-forward. The film. Just like, what am I looking at? All. Keep your rap, but your goal is to work, until it looks like now you press slow motion. You see what I'm saying? When you get it to where it looks like slow motion now, you're balling. Yeah, I mean that is just you know, we talk about it all the time with the the interaction as with the players, but I think the way he communicates he's not a, he doesn't strike me as that hard-ass coach but he's also not rah-rah, he's kind of somewhere in the almost like that Mentor type type of leadership role. And I think that speaks to a lot of these players because he's talking to I'm at their level and he's not just talking about You know how to get better but he's also talking about, hey, it's okay to feel this way.

40:42 Everybody's been there, but you got to push forward to get to the next step because if you stay where you're at, you're not going to go any further. yeah, I like the way you put it with mental, he's the mentor that will He partially your boss and he will bust your balls, whether you're slacking not studying correctly, but he's also trying to communicate with you. In ways you can get better and as he was talking to him especially about the fast forward in the slow mode, I think people can visualize that and you Bud Foster talked about it for years. When this doesn't think in this, just does the work the feet. Do the work.

41:27 It's Was like, slow motion because the brain is not thinking the brain is just reacting, and again, he is that middle. He's got a little hardness, he's got a little rah-rah. He's got a little, jokester and him. I also think there's times where he probably lazy Lauda and because I'm sure there are people out there slacking and not taking advantage of their opportunities, will he can sit there and say, I was here, I did good, they move me. I was here, I did good and they move. Me over here and I still did good. There's no excuse work and how the next clip. Braun. I swear to God about almost peed my pants when I, when I wouldn't this clip happen this is just hilarious.

42:12 Yes. Are we rolling our entire relationship before? We were married was built off of restaurants and movies. That's all we did. Our first date, he took me to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. The joke was on her because we started dating. I was like, still trying to get back in. The NFL had a little Bit of Pocket Change left over. She thinks she's like falling for a guy that's going to get back in the NFL, as it turned out. I took a job for about six bucks, an hour as a strength coach she truth. I want the world to know, or the Hokey world and no on our honeymoon, she checked my bank account and started crying. That's a true story.

42:54 Justin. Well, that is true. It is true. I probably should have cried to. I was naive I love the last line. I probably should have cried to. I was not Eve to Ruth's Chris because he was bald and probably had either a roommate or somebody who's blind rent. Yeah. And once you got past the room, babe is and it was all on you he got real real quick. Exactly. That does this, that it's hilarious. And it's also hilarious that a lot of us.

43:35 This is one of those relatable moments to anybody probably anything about their ages when they were dating because he's probably a mid 20s when they were dating because he was in League about three years. Who doesn't when they're initially. First dating tried to go to the nicest restaurant potentially available Charlie's. Yep. Charlie's, you know, and the whole bank account thing. You know, you can tell J Hamm wasn't given anything. He tried to make the NFL, his knee messed up. He didn't make it God for the six-dollar six dollars, an hour job to stay in football.

44:22 And we're talking probably what 10, 12 years later. Hands. I read, right? Yep. I was probably 2007 2008. You know, he flipped that in 12 years to almost half a million dollar salary that's That's impressive, that's an impressive rise. That's an impressive path to get there, especially because probably two-thirds of that, he was making probably what we make, or maybe maybe just under or just over depending on what where the landing slot was. Wow. So yeah, that's a big climb in up in a pretty short period of time, so he knows how to grind and I think he can impart that on the players.

45:13 You know, we always talked about with J, Hamm last year, when there were some struggles, especially in the first part of the season on defense, you know, a lot of this, it's covid related. I know everyone's dealing with it, but not everyone was installing a new defense with a new defensive coordinator. So there's some differences there, but everything else that J Hamm brings to the table. I mean, that's just Can't just bottle that in or buy that off the street. I mean, there's a lot of intangible things that Justin Hamilton brings to Virginia Tech that you just can't find anywhere and it's not just the fact that he played here. Yep.

45:58 It's very true. And, but having him play, Hey, you know, he loves this place and, you know, he will sell this place as hard as he can or some Schmo off the street, who's here for half million dollar. Pay check, and that's one thing you got. love about him next clip here, go ahead roller Braun and then we'll chat about it because this is this is some deeper stuff as well, there we go, but Obviously not traveling to see your wife and kids the recruiting peace with covid is good but also like I have that and I mean to have a kid be able to stop by and look at 30 minutes 45 minutes.

46:41 Sometimes it goes long, I try to keep it where it's within a 30 to 45-minute window because after that your yeah, you better give them social media break or something. Because it's hard to keep the attention plus. I don't want to do information overload. He's I mean he's The Godfather to me. I remember being on the offensive side of the ball and back in the old team room, we had the divider like the elementary school divider. You could hear everything in the unit meetings that was going on. We were in our unit meetings and I was trying to pay attention in ours, I'm listening to him the way he was juicing the team up and building their confidence and the standard and the demand. And it was like man this guy must be awesome to play for and then when I got a chance to do it I realized that he's awesome to play for.

47:31 If you know what you're doing and if you don't, then he's going to bring you to speed. Um clearly shows you the affection he has for budman, and the affection that probably was drifted across those walls for the de for the offensive side. When Bud was at his Peak. You know that Justin talking about early 2000 when the defense was essentially the one of the best in the nation for something years running. And again, we talked about it a few minutes ago. A guy that went from one side of the ball to the other play for that guy. You don't think he takes some of his qualities away. Oh, absolutely, dude.

48:18 Surely after that clip, you talked about the, you know, the picture of them that's been circulating a lot and talked about, you know, how do you know when to make the right call and he's like, you know, a lot of it, a lot of its gut, but he said, a lot of it was late nights on Wednesday watching tape. After all the other coaches at left and what. So I think I think that's the big thing that jam takes from it is that it's part, trusting your instincts and part put in the work, but in the work that piece you maybe talk about that Wednesday night. He said he liked doing the full team from the full thing. But on Wednesdays was like, is night.

48:58 He said, in the film by himself, And again, that's something wonder if he brings in where it's like wasting my time going to be here till 3:00 in the morning and I am going to try to look at every little tendency to this team has and when they tip it I'll run a banger that was one of my favorite lines you cut it out thank you baby. And how many times in our lifetime with bud He called the perfect call against whatever they are running and it would massive loss. Huge sack pick almost every third down against Ohio State. The, I've heard that yes, be seemingly had every single one of our buyers Tendencies figured out that night and he capitalized on all of them. Going back to the first part though. A, he mentions obviously covid being with his family. For those listening on the podcast, you can see the literally jehan's whole family is in there. Looks like they're having a pizza lunch, you know? See the whole episode, he's running around the kids come in. They talk about going a Shabbos office, getting candy playing, the weight room, really family-oriented guy, man, but he also mentioned about a big side was having guys coming to the office 20-30 minutes.

50:18 And just look at tape, and again, it shows you that connection. But again also showed you generational to that Once it hits 30, I we got cut off because someone's going to take a little break, will take other great walk around gonna get a sip check your check your profiles and we'll be back at it in 10. Exactly. But you know, the one thing and I'm going to be, I'm going to go on a little down or note here. The one thing that next year scares me about and it's not about so much if we have a bad season, Justin Hamilton probably not coming back. There's some people on the staff that probably will be Justin proper warm and that breaks my heart because a, it's a guy we watched.

51:11 It's a guy, we watched, you know, your first game was 02. My first game was up, the key was only feel for those plays. He was almost filled enough format team and, you know, and if we look at our fan Hood 95, we were kids, we were right at and we're going to go into Middle School, right in Middle School, 99 were in high. A school 04 is our team. I think go for Zak team. Yeah, we were both. You were Sydney. I was in long. Would we watch games together when we could? You know, we talked about it. I know we I want up the games that year. I feel like you went to one game at you, like getting your off week.

51:54 I only have one game. I was another word, many years, but he was part of that special team. Yeah. What hurts me is I look for in the way I'm feeling towards next season, is when we might lose this guy. So it's one of those things where I hope we knock it out of the ballpark. I hope I'm stoked freaking wrong next. What I'm seeing from this team because I want that guy in Blacksburg. I want that guy on campus. I want that guy to be a defensive coordinator. Yeah. I mean just everything you watch. I mean he's very likeable and I think as long as we can get some of the results, hopefully we can do enough to keep him around. And I don't know what else to say, man. I mean, we like jam on this program, guys. We do that's just the long and short of it. Yes, I'd like to see, like I said, I like to see a little bit better results in that money, 21 on that side of the ball but there was a lot of reasons why you didn't see him early last year.

53:04 So on that side of the ball, I'm willing to give a little bit of a pass until 2021, and we'll see what happens. But in terms of just personality in a guy, you like to have as your head your your defensive coordinator doesn't get any better. Absolutely right. Let's roll on less precooked. We talk about Spring ball. Oh, and general. And we have had a huge of sis. Pulling the football, you know, taking care of the ball, taking away football, with some more conscientious effort on the ball on both sides of the ball, we made a huge point of emphasis, on third down, or very good on either side of the ball on third down last year. Starting five back on 35k him 35. And then like we really got to get back to the way. We practice used to be kind of our signature and we drifted away from that partially last year because we didn't practice and when we did it was just trying to make sure we had enough people there to get through it. But and the guys have done a really good job of that today will be third down in phasis and some Red Zone stuff. Spring ball, emphasis.

54:36 Keep control of the football, get better on third down on both sides of the ball and practice like you damn. Well mean it. But you got cured. I'm just glad you admitted it. We work and we were terrible last year, on third down both sides of the ball. We were. I'm glad he said it out loud. I'm glad he set it where the entire fans could hear him say it, because it was that there were games last year, and I go back to the North Carolina game, but that, third down play that third down play, is another play called in sick.

55:16 Converted. I think that game changes. I think we win that game because I think we took their first three on punches hard. We got up and beat the shit out of them for the next two rounds for the next six rounds. I think we win that game, but we screwed up Wake Forest. Jesus freaking Christ. Don't make me go again. But at least, we have him admitted it on tape. Now, the other part is to take away thing and that's a big thing. Because there were games last year when we were protecting the ball. Well, we Did good and there were games like BC when we stole the ball from them numerous times that essentially it prevented their momentum every time from going somewhere.

55:58 Yeah so I'm glad to hear that now that I've wished would have been a little more detailed. Well okay what are you going to do to fix it? Because here's some things that we can say. They him hadn't had a chance to install his offense or his defense, excuse me. We can write that up and say that's probably why. Third down wasn't very not enough execution. Run the plays you want. There were times where you saw mr. Solomon is like and Brian. I'm sure you went over there. Numerous times. You probably just killed your head at your house and just said, fuck was the guy who was supposed to be there?

56:39 It's the again it's the other side that worries me. Yep it's year. Five. Who was year five in a lot of the same shit we saw for the first four years showed up in the fifth year, are you going to do anything in the six-year to change it? Justin Yeah. I mean it would have it would be nice to I mean, I know he's not very big on giving the opponent's anything, but I think it would be nice to see some sort of plan as far as how they're going to achieve that. What we've got the, the the areas of emphasis. All right. So now that we've got the area's, how are you emphasizing that, is this more are there more drills and emphasize that we, at least got to see some, some drills there with ball /. Action and things like that.

57:27 So that was good to see. But you know, what else? What else are they doing to protect the ball? What else are they doing? To keep the ball out of the other teams hands and what else are they trying to do on defense to, you know, Force those turnovers which is Less infus Direct category, but still under his purview as head coach there. So it'll be interesting to see if that comes to fruition. I mean ball. Security has always been a big big point of emphasis for Foo. It's that Every Spring practice, every fall Camp. That's been like, the nature of every quarterback battle that we've had first season without a quarterback battle though. But for every emphasis emphasis of every, every quarterback battle was making sure that they protected the football how to run with this one start and GAP.

58:16 Then, excellent question. I would like to get into some guys who are in that in those practices we like how how All right. Brian next segment here, and I'm going to do a little intro to this one. So go bronze eagle has labeled this, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of Coach Fuente, have a listen, and you'll probably agree. They stripped out all 15 practices this year. I scripted 1 through 12 and let 13 of 14 and 15 open its those what we actually need.

59:13 But I like that part of it because I take 1 3, 1 4, 5, or 1 through 6 and say this is what we're going to work on. These are points of emphasis and then the next second, you know, whatever it is 69 or 79. However, it all falls week by week ending on a Saturday scrimmage.

59:58 Leadership to not accept anything other than the same type of enthusiasm and passion for today, today's the day, okay? Saturday, we're going to scrimmage and you guys are going to be fired up and ready to go. Today is the day that we have to separate ourselves from everybody else. Family on three one, two, three. Well, do you stick with this? It's going to all work out. I may not work out tomorrow, you know. I don't know when it's going to be. I'm just gonna tell you, like, if you have Grid or toughness and stick-to-itiveness, and we'll bust your eyes and continue to develop and work out. Okay, let's start with the last one. Let's start with the last one. Let's start with the ugly.

1:00:41 The grit. In Tallis and stick-to-itiveness, that's where this is my theory on that. I think the Saturday before they take this because obviously this would have been. It would have been Monday or Tuesday of the week. They take, this is what I think happened. I think coach went ahead all the coaches over for a little barbecue, right? Yep, barbecued. Let's have some beers. We probably just had some producing stuff that day. Going through, what's going to happen next week with the show and they're sitting around their hand be And somebody says go through probably then place. I put Vice on this more than anybody. I don't know why I just I think Watson what's the offensive line and I think you do this or shit I think Boo, I bet you can't get these three things into that episode and some way 1:30 and first, and everything on the other side of the fire pit and all the coaches looking Vice and then they all look at him bullshit, put 10 cats, this is beer brands up shakes each other's hands and then he snuck it in there with a walk-on from stewartson giraffe.

1:01:54 Probably the only time that guy will ever see any television time. Time. Here is hokey Chris. And no knock to it. No, not to me but he's a walk-on offensive lineman. Yep. No stories are few and far between. Yeah, I mean, when you look at it like that, it's Again we talk about it all the time with the buzzwords and again that's fine for like you know you get you know you get the we used to get like the binders with are like summer workouts or you know you get your playbook. You however it's delivered to you. I tablet iPhone. Whatever that's fine for like stuff like that. That's fine for, you know, meetings where you're talking to a large group of people.

1:02:43 Oil, that's not the type of individual interaction that feels organic and real to me and I feel like there's other. There's other interactions that were significantly better for that for food but that felt at felt forced and trait and out of that it has to be that he has to be trolling. There's no way that's not a troll. This is Oh man. But let's go back to practice 11 though because I feel like that is the good in that three-section clip. There is that I feel like that that was some, that was some good motivational talk but it also personalized it. Yes, he did.

1:03:31 It put things in perspective, for the players heading into, not just practice 11, but knowing that. All right, guys, fucking scrimmage is coming up. We got to get right? So we can get the most out of that scrimmage. Each and I think that that was a good, a good way of bringing those ideas to the table and getting the players ready for that. That practice 11. Oh yeah, Hunter isn't that seemed very genuine also the way he talked to the leaders because he liked me single them's out and I'm sure they're the team captains and the unit Captain's know who they are and it's almost like everybody's happy practice one everybody. This practice 11 we've hit each other.

1:04:12 We we've been grinding. We've been lifting, we're probably not feeling the best bringing that enthusiasm because what happens is you're going to get in November and regardless of your record, the enthusiasm that you had the first few weeks or the enthusiasm for a big night game or something. 12:00 in pit is not going to be the same thing, so it's almost like getting them mentally train. There's any situations, you've got to be able to bring that energy and obviously, there are some times last year primarily that Liberty game when the team did not bring the energy. No, I said with the, we have this year as Leaders go, I don't think that's going to be missing. Now, let's go to the bad.

1:05:00 We talked about this earlier anytime I hear and I don't care. If this is a head coach, a corporate trainer teacher Professor, whatever line of business you're in I have these 15 scheduled just like this because it's the way I want it. I immediately say did you fucking up already? If you're planning that far then you're already setting. Elf up to fail, to get, even with with the modification. I mean, three practices isn't enough, in my opinion to Circle back on on the need areas. I felt like you go like 10 and 5 or something like that where and even maybe take a building block approach to it, where you're kind of installing and or emphasizing different things at different weeks and then use kind of the end to Circle back either bring It full circle or a circle. Check on those areas that you saw that were concerning on. Yeah, I think I will give him credit essentially. Leaving the last three open.

1:06:08 Does give the opportunity though to. Let's look at what we did. The first 11 practices. Is there anything specifically, we need to work on really hardcore the days. So it's okay. But I'm with you. You don't put it in practice, 12, 13 and 14. You put it in practice 5, but it practice 10, you sort of you You spread them out. So, after that first week of practice, you know what? If you know the Zone drills that were running by the offensive baby killing it, and they've been getting up, they be getting the second level they've been handing off, great, do you need to work on that note? But let's say pass Pro handoff have been shitty shitty. That's what you're working on today or lying or brown. Your favorite safeties.

1:06:56 You guys have for sending your zones and government of outfit. Awesome. But Brian went to safety sometimes screw up. Run Phillips. Screw that up. Let's pray. So it's bad because it seems like he was very set in at 15. Now he has come off of it a little bit but again the way we're singing it is maybe even need to adjust it a little bit more. That's just us. Yeah. I mean I have nothing necessarily blatantly wrong to say that that's the wrong approach but I just feel like the full scripting was definitely a problem. So whatever he was doing before, maybe this is him evaluating and saying hey we need to have something at the end here where we're like I said either circling back to what didn't work or kind of looping everything into Are these three practices are going to be, you know, heavy emphasis on, you know, whether it's like half line or, you know, scrimmage sections, whatever it may be, there's going to be some sort of emphasis to either bring it all together or Circle back on the things that we saw in those previous 10 or 12 that didn't work the way we wanted to.

1:08:18 Absolutely, I boats. Last clip we look at tonight. Through this brings out a little more human side, if it weren't a. And I think, me and Brian are couple pieces of here. We definitely can relate with If standard all, I can get in in the morning, first of all, cause nobody else in usually get some things done, is kind of like my time. Plus. you know, like, my kids are involved in sports and during the Spring Time, particularly She's easier for me too. To get in early and then get out so I can go see him play, you know, so that's the number one goal is, don't hit a deer on the way to work because they outnumber the cars about 10 to 15 hit a few in the evening time.

1:09:13 I came back side, blasted by a couple of them. It's always the second deer that you're not the first one. I always traveling to his. I didn't know that. So here, like I don't have like a one go to like I do I am a music guy so I do listen to music. I have I have started got getting into the pot podcast game, you know who Neil deGrasse Tyson is, yeah, it's pretty cool strike. Blows your mind on the way to wait a way to work. The laughs the like throat clearing laugh, every time gets me, the lab is.

1:10:03 It's so genuine though that that laugh is you know, he's being very genuine about things with me laughs like that if it's some of the sea and he even turned around and looked I'm guessing at the camera guy in the back like he's like he's are the producer that set up the cameras in the vehicle or he was, I don't know if he's filming shots back there but he was He was definitely part of the production, no doubt. And he's like, yeah, let's Neil deGrasse Tyson. Huh? Obviously big crew said he'd listen to like, two of those three Rogan EPs and I think they were like three and a half hours each. So it is a you do the de cross. Use a deGrasse Tyson, with Joe Rogan. It's like you were in for, like a half a day. I'll say this at the beginning, he told himself as an introvert. I like to get in the office when there's no bleeping body. Hey, I can get more work done, nobody bothers me. Jesus Christ, how can you be an introvert? But, you know, at least again, seeing sides of his personality. Now, some of the me and Brian will absolutely confirm. And obviously Blacksburg about two and a half hours where we grew up, but we can confirm Salman part of Virginia are is a shit ton of deer.

1:11:24 Yeah, I caught one on the way to him and Sydney one time and it's shit all over my car, never caught any can close a few times in the truck back in the day. But he is right. Usually they do travel in packs, I'll also say watching, go watching, watch that video again, his head movement it's that is how you drive. I've only Backcountry Road at 4:00 in the morning, going to work. Like hell are you assholes at? You're going to jump out here and it's great to know that he's been sideswiped a couple times which sideswipes. Okay, they can pop it out of the door. Real, real freaking easy and but it's funny, he's had those incidents and obviously I'm guessing in Oklahoma, obviously wide open terrain, not much Forest, not a lot of deer hunting and if there is you can see them from miles away. Now, the one last piece I want to hit and and I'm going to, I think we relate to this hard problem. We both have kids are kids in sports. And he's talking about his girls being really involved in sports and Springtime, and his goal is to get in as early as possible get his work done.

1:12:33 So, in the evenings, he can go see and whether you like this coach. Whether you're indifferent to this coach or you hate this coach, you must respect that because there are a lot of coaches out there that legitimately disregard their families for this business. And if you have, you know, you have kids that essentially they aren't right as adults because Dad was in the office 18 hours a week. And obviously, he values that you saw with Jay hand, to they value that. And it was said, numerous times During this show Family.

1:13:14 And I think that's the big takeaway from this whole thing is that it's obvious that both of the coaches that were the primary focus of the All Access. They care about the players, they care about what they're doing, you might disagree with how they're doing it. You might think they're not a good fit for the for the role, but they care and they generally care about the players. They generally care about the school and they generally care about the fans. Now you might think that how they go about showing that isn't what you expect or what you want from an access standpoint from a fan interaction standpoint. I agree with you, yeah, but I think sometimes we get to a point where we cross over between tree of these guys like an employee that we don't think is up to Snuff and Someone that we genuinely dislike or hate.

1:14:15 And I think there's a difference between those two and I think sometimes, you know, we can cross the line on that. It gives easy. We're fans were passionate when you get passionate about something you know, you say and do things that may not always aligned with what you would do in a normal situation. But like I said at the end of the day, I think both of these guys are really good for the school in terms of how they interact with. With with, with the players and the in the fans, I just think we need, we need more from them on that front, in terms of the reciprocation. Because I feel like we're getting a lot of that one way stream that we've been talking about. And, and this is another example of that. And I feel like this this gave us probably as much or more than we've gotten from any other production so far. But Like I said, I think the thing that still lacking is that that reciprocation where, you know, they're giving us something and we're giving them something back or we're showing them something or they're showing us something more of those site.

1:15:25 Things would be great. And if this was, you know, if we had those things, this this would be probably considered one of the best access pieces that we've gotten but without those other interactions. It's kind of, this is great, but, you know, but it's the, but it's the, but it's there on the precipice of doing every doing this stuff right there on the precipice. And this season. The women lost totals is what will matter because if it is I get to see. I've said it before the season we're feeling is going to happen which is going to be good again.

1:16:08 We hope were wrong but it is that really good to eat. And you know this staff is retained Someone in the athletic department has to just step in and say, these are things that are going to happen and if you don't like it, then you may leave because you're not going to leave obviously. And then, I think what we see with, obviously we can you hands personality, but you start seeing one more fluencies personality. It's there. You've heard of behind the scene stories. There has to be someone that said, make that be you out there every time and people will love you if you're winning games and this is who you are. You have the potential but a common second God. Excuse me, a third.

1:16:51 God down here. But if you don't feel and who you are, they question. So, yeah. Anything else you want to add? Or maybe breaking as we wrap up tonight? Run, I haven't seen anything come across my board so I think we're good to wrap up buddy. All right. Well that is going to wrap up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast. I am Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Visit our website down Derry corner. Be t.com to listen to all of our episodes this week have a listen To our May 13th 2020 episode, we entitled that one econ, 425 resource allocation in the recruiting age.

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