Never Tapped Out

0:45 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson, I'm Brian Sigler, buddy. Big Night, Big Night. Big night for the boundary Corner podcast. We are going live tonight streaming. And tonight, folks, we have Hokies Legend, and current assistant defensive line coach for my San Francisco. 49ers Darryl Tapp is going to be joining us. Hey man, I can't wait. Yeah. I mean, this is big. Everyone that's been watching the podcast. They know how we feel about DTaP, so big to have them all.

1:25 Let's go ahead and bring him in here, sir DTaP. How are you doing tonight? Doing Goodfellas. I'll be living the dream and living the dream. Thanks for joining us live in a dream. Nice 90-degree day here in the r-va in Virginia. Has it out there on the west coast tonight. It's nice. There we go. There we go. So detached. Let's let's start it off this way.

2:06 How's the move-in for you? It's been, it's been good. It's been really good. The wife and I are transitioning out here to get locked and loaded. Optimus season but the organization has been awesome. Lady has been very helpful for are going to set up and trying to move our stuff and car ship and the whole nine and it's allowing me to come here and focus on learning from these coaches and getting ourselves prepared for this season. All right, Brian, I'm going to take over the next few questions man, because I gotta ask close to the heart, I get it, I get it, it's my art man. Then as I said, I'm a Niners fan. Now you're coming into a situation on that defensive line, Nick Bosa, Eric arms about dead. Javon, kinlaw, got Samson.

2:49 Picked him up in free agency. How are you feeling about the room so far? I'm excited. We have a all veteran room, like, we don't have any rookies. We don't have any apps that take a call them puppies, could geysers coming in trying to learn everybody and we're 15 deep. I Believe full of guys that have played ball in this league. So these guys are coming with a different mindset for us what they want. Accomplish what they want to do. Guys have stuff to prove this year. You know last year unfortunately got hit with a lot of different injuries and things that happen on the heels of a Super Bowl run the year before. So guys have come into OTAs and going into mini camp with a different focus and it's pretty cool to be a part of and see how they've been attacking their work.

3:36 Yeah, absolutely. We are a very veteran Laden Group. I mean I think the youngest guy in there might have three years experience and for me, obviously some really A high draft picks. I hope Nick's looking good. I know he's recovering but has it now, you know, we I take a look, you know, Robert solow gets hired comes here to East Coast to the Jets and an old play. And friend, man, D'Amico Ryan's is taken over how things feeling with him at the him in. How's it feel having someone you played with running the show? It's awesome. Honestly for me that was a huge part. To have somebody to play with him for me. Well how he operates and rocks especially in critical situations like he's a calm guy. Like he's going to he's he's the waters, allow guys, wide and focus on their work but he's been commended unreal. Like just like I said a calm presence the scheme that is going to run and bring in isn't a liar guys go play fast and guys have been gravitated towards him as well. Like he's a guy that everybody respects not only by the way, he carried himself but in fact he did it in this league for a long time.

4:43 Yeah, absolutely. I mean he did it for quite a while and you know I'll be honest I listen to the Bay Area radio. I read all the reporters and obviously a lot of people are saying, you know, we were neck covered three and why people smoke the meat going just going to stick with that D'Amico, got some aces up his sleeve. He's probably going to play, so you don't have to answer this, but yeah, should I expect to see maybe some different things? He's all around from D'Amico's defense. I think you should expect to see anything in fact that because playlist leave and he knows how to think as a linebacker.

5:25 You know how to think as a coordinator. He's going to be able to attack different schemes to come in here and we're going to be right in his pocket. Doing the same thing. He asks us to do, we got some stuff we got some stuff ready to go. That is just awesome to hear. All right, one is music to your ears record my that one more thing, you know, You know, you're now working as a colleague with Christmas, or Christmas spirit Coast, you mr. Detroit Krista sir, highly respected defensive line coach. And I can say, I saw it, the day, they brought him in there, I'd defensive line changed from being good, to being borderline great. But what's that relationship? Like now, you know, you want from the player and now you're right next to him, your the colleague, what's your relationship like with Chris?

6:10 Now that you know, things have changed Things have changed from my actual roll my title. Okay, but they haven't changed. When I got to Detroit, I was a year nine in. So I was already an old head and or dinosaur, or a relic. I do you want to say yeah, but I was a player's coach. So I already understood what I need to do and what everybody else in the diesel, I need to do. And that's part of the reason that coach Chris was invested in me as a player because I was able to be a player coach told. Really hasn't changed other than my title. Me being a go out there and operate and do things that play off of him and get that message across as been.

6:52 The same thing is automatic, it's incredibility with Coach Chris, he played in the league for a couple years and he's been a guy that has been able to transform career, the extend them and I'm living proof of that man's work. Now play for two years and extending my career as well and play some great balls. So the guys see that they know that they know that coach Chris invested in them. They've seen the way I've carried myself and Coach. Chris, didn't put his name with anybody? That isn't about the same thing that he's about, have conviction this scheme and what we're doing. So it's been an awesome transition for us. Me being a coach, but far as Kriss and my relationship. It's been the same. If anything, he's pouring even more into me. Now, as a coach in the same way point to me as a player like he's family.

7:37 It's awesome to hear ya. And I guess the other thing that, you know, I want to kind of ask Out Chris. Because I mean you talked about before we jumped on like that Detroit Lions line, you know, do you see pieces of the Niners line? Its kind of cause y'all were that was a really good tip line. With, you know, I've been you mentioned suing some other guy Ziggy Ansah. I mean you see this kind of shaping up this year to be like that? I hope so. So when I first got here, one of the biggest things was get familiar with the players on R&D line as well as our defense but especially the deal. Line find out what the strengths weaknesses are find out how they mesh then Rock together in the first film. We looked at was filmed from the Super Bowl ring year and those guys were flying around everywhere, doing everything playing with great effort, passion for the game energy. And I said last year, it just took a little bit of injury toll, but that 19 years looked exactly how we looked in 1492. Camaraderie we have the defense online. Now, you have pretty much all those guys back. You added a couple more pieces than I said. The way these guys have been handling their business going into, ho Tas and hitting the minicamp in. A couple weeks has been Elite like my dear. These guys are grown men and they know what they're going to accomplish.

8:58 Everybody has something to prove to themselves, and they want to do it with each other. Okay, one more class. Mm, one more hit. So, I talked to him, I meant John Lynch is a GM Hall of Famer you play for Kyle. Shanahan with the Redskins when he was the o.c. there. Coach bye chriskiss turret and you play with D'Amico. Ryan's, how does it make you feel professionally as you're getting into coaching? They picked up that phone call DTaP and said, hey, here's the opportunity to coach with a guy. You guys are very familiar with and it's Beast group of lineman. Like, how does that make a guy feel that you're getting your coaching career started? It is, I can't I'll get to be honest, it was a Bittersweet feeling because I had finally got back to Virginia, Tech the coach, like the dream of dreams, like, never thought it would happen and got that opportunity.

9:52 What I had to? Thank my mom. And dad, my two older brothers for raised me to right way. They always taught me that you treat everybody, right way. Can you never know what those British had to come back around? Yep, so I played for Coach Shanahan with the Redskins with the Washington football team now in 2001 13. From the staff from last year that was here with the 49ers at play for 12 different coaches between the Redskins lines in the Eagles. So the way that carried myself, the way I handle my business, the way I came to work with an attention to detail and built the relationships, have brought it all the way back to 2021, to my first opportunity to coach in the NFL. And just as small as it is, smaller chance it is for players to get from college to plant in the field is like 10 times harder as a coach, in the way they have my business brought me to this opportunity here.

10:52 So it was an unbelievable experience. And feeling to my said to have that phone call with Coach. Chris, the tell me about opportunity to had a phone call from the me cohort, we refer a teammates together in Philadelphia. In in Krakow, Shanahan to solidify with opportunity to come out here and coach and get my feet wet. Be coaching and be around this great organization is, it's been unreal. Like, I feel like that do them in training. They were Denzel Washington like every day. I'm learning something that's awesome to see how the other side of the game at this level. Yeah that's awesome to hear.

11:34 So I got a question stop, non her specific because I'm not I'm not quite in the tank like Curtis is there. But I mean, the biggest. And so you been power, five defensive line coach. Now your system defensive line coach the NFL level recruiting aside. Like, what's the biggest difference between those two that you've seen so far in like, a few months in the NFL? I will say that the biggest thing is that now you're dealing with grownups Meaning that in college the main goal is to push these guys from childhood to adulthood, you want to help this guy become better men in every aspect academics, social skills who football knowledge and then give them the get them across the line to get their degree. Whereas now, the NFL, this is now a job and you have to continue to stress that to these guys, especially ones that come in force that I have to do that this year. But older guys to understand it even more, So like in a field means not for long like that is truly a real thing and I was fortunate and blessed to play longer than the 2.7 year average but you're stressing.

12:44 This is a job like if you don't get it right? Yeah. That will find somebody else that will. So every day you need to step in this building for the kids that got to be need to get out of bed with a clear-cut focus on what you're trying to accomplish and what you're trying to do. Because this is Benefit, you want to benefit your family and you're playing a child's game for a king's Ransom. So you need to maximize every opportunity. You have to have to play this game in earn a way of life for your family. Whereas in college these guys still kind of you still trying to get them out of the high school thing where like, all right I can mess up today. I still be good tomorrow. Don't worry, I didn't feel especially right now like all these guys as much as we love them all, they're competing for a spot competing for opportunity to plan is leader only 1800 Dobbs, so you got to make your mark every day in everything that you do and be mindful of that.

13:38 That's awesome. That's awesome. That's the big thing for me to like when we look at the difference like you said you're dealing with kids coming out of high school. They're not used to the that paper grind that right when you're in the NFL every day counts because the next day isn't promised, no doubt about it. Also before we get into more conversation here with Darryl Tapp we are going to take a quick pause for a quick message from our digital Partners. Alright DTaP. We're going to get back into it here. We're going to Pivot more, two more hokey, specific stuff Downs. That Curtis has had his moment in the sun here.

14:20 So you know this year you're working with chriskiss Erick last year you were working with Bill tearling who was close to my heart as a Colts fan the name clearly you know, Right out the gate. I was like oh we got Bill coming in. Okay, okay so I mean not many guys, gonna change the coach with that level of guys that have done it in that the NFL, what was it like to work with Bill last year? It was good honestly. Coach ham and coach football coach went to and Coach ham did a great job of assembling staff for people that care. Now, with that said, it was a beast last year because you do it so many things that it did. Ed with the wrong of first and foremost. It was a brand-new Stan.

15:03 We never really got a chance to really Vibe and click as a complete unit to a party later on in the season. So we'll still learning each other's strengths and weaknesses. And what everybody did best, then we're trying to install it brand new scheme to these guys via zoom and we were just learning Zoo myself. So you had to try to keep those guys attention there. So it was so many hurdles we had to get across, but I can tell you that on that defensive side of the ball, Yeah, we came to work every day with a clear-cut focus on how to try to get these kids on the same page. Believing the same thing and you started to see how much better we got towards the middle, latter part of the Season though, we saw a really good ball. So I got to imagine that was Spring ball this year trying to be in the same system and seeing the Pieces come together from a coaching staff and from a player standpoint that is going to be even more improved this year and get this thing right back on the way it needs to go.

15:58 Love to hear that. Love to hear that about Bill. Love to hear that about the other parts of the defensive staff. They're absolutely. Let's talk about one of the bright spots of last year's team. Amari bar. No kid comes in. I switches positions works his way into the too deep. And then by seasons in, you know, he's one of the standout players on your unit, can you tell us a little bit more about amar'e's transition to defensive end? And at what point last year, did you know that he was going to be special at the position? Well, we already knew that Mari. Was he when a coach for Monday's favorite, guys? You know, he hadn't had the success that he wanted or Vision early on, but he played his tail off on special teams. He was in a linebacker world.

16:42 So coach coach building myself and Coach Han, we want to coach food like let's please let her just this. The switch positions on this guy. Look at him. At the DS4 I can we gotta get our best athletes on the field like the teams that we're playing an agency were explosive on. The side, the ball. We have to build a match that with the same kind of explosion, same kind of speed and evil side of. Also coach Fuente. Allow does it to entertain pushing mono to, then he had a conversation with Bruno's, mom, want to make sure everybody's in the loop and everybody feel good about the transition. And then from that point on Maria and myself and Coach Zack, RGA that point in time, we spent time with him going over foot.

17:26 We're going over hand placement. Burning pass rush though. Cut out something else completely foreign to him. Yeah we played well I'm back. So we had to get to the point where it did that the Roanoke knock some guys out for a couple weeks and you had a couple injuries as always having the football. And next thing you know I'm already starting games and playing with Elite effort and Amari or Bardo is a smart smart cat and he understands Concepts, he understands what to do and he's use their cap. You can tell him once. Maybe twice he got it, okay? So the reefs of bound that he made last year during the season, really not having an offseason to murder stuff.

18:07 Like we're literally learn on the fly every day after practice. So dish, I said this year, this opportunity has OTAs Primo like he could completely take off and if he's fortunate enough to get to combine, it's a wrap because he's super athletic. Yeah. So all the, all the cars and all the dominoes are stacked in his favor and I said, just continue to progress. Far as learning the defense learning how to be a defensive end and then learning the fundamentals and techniques you need to succeed that it could be. It could be scary this year. Can I have some yeah, follow up on that. What when was it like? Was it the first time he practiced at defensive end where you like? Oh boy.

18:55 Oh, he's big and can move. Okay, okay. Sandwiches calls right? Oh man, that's great. That's great. You know we love watching bar no progress last year. I mean, that was, that was kind of one of the big highlights that we had to the season. So it's good to hear that, that transition kind of went like, like, like we were talking about there. Let's talk about another guy, Jordan Williams. He was a big ad from the portal. Just before you took the 49er job, he made a point. To mention relationships with you and Coach Fuente as to, why he ended up coming to the Hokies. What was it? Like, helping recruit a high-profile transfer portal player like Jordan. And like, what's the biggest thing that he's going to bring to the table for the Hokies in 2021? Well, it was cool that we were, always always scaring the the portal for Gaza.

19:48 Can help your team. That's kind of where college football is kind of come to right now. But with him being a guy from the 757, it hit close. At home, they'll Coach, Rick kills already familiar with them. From being like, I think it was top. I think it was, it was between Tekken clips and before he made it sound, as you know, the club set. So coach Fuente always wanted Jordan to be a part of the family will meet being a 757 guy. I want all the best guys from that area to come here to have the same experience that I had a Virginia Tech so it was Elite like soon as he was officially in the portal. I was on, go get him out. All right, it wasn't it wasn't a sale job.

20:35 That's not something that I believe in is not something that coach hand believes and or coach Fuente, we will tell you the truth and who better to tell you the truth, then a guy like myself that played there, graduated from there and three and a half years. Got the opportunity to play in the league from the exact same place you are. So we were there to connect on that I was able to connect with his mom and dad on the on opportunity they had ever diente. It just, it is, everything is fun in place and I think for him being that he was at Clemson, he played it. I think what three or four straight plays its the other, is he a, a playoff brackets and want a pink one or two? Maddie's like he has a wealth of knowledge and wealth of wisdom to give to your guys.

21:17 And when you have a guy like that elevates, everybody's plate, everybody's production and even as coaches, it elevates you because you want to make sure that you're putting everybody in the right. Position to accomplish the team going to come to their individual goals as well. So he adds so much to this picture, he can really take all this year. I know that he's been doing very well. Condition-wise went from Colorado's is I went to work out what through Spring ball like guys respect him and what he brought to the table and he has a chance to really make a huge name for himself in the ACC and hopefully put himself into running to be drafted next year.

21:59 Absolutely. And you know, speaking of the 757, you know, before example and 75. Yeah. Have water. Some fans, have you want to call it before you approach for the 49ers? You know, you were kind of starting to run the point on the 757 recruiting and in Virginia Tech football. Um, My Relations, which is one of our guests to white dick. Looks like he's taken that baton from you and starting to run with it on his own. Right. But yeah, what are some of the challenges? Challenges down in the 75 and the alumni fronts today that may not have been there when you were first getting the tech back in the early 2000s.

22:40 Probably the biggest thing is that you have a coach has only been there for it now six years. No one, I can detect Beamer and Coach Foster and clockwise already been there for 16 years. Yeah, you know, so there's a level of continuity and stability that was established and it was already running this course where you have New guy coach Fuente. That was not coach Beamer. Everybody that's a college football fan, especially the tech fans. They understand stuff within a certain way in Blacksburg and that's what is used in 434. 29 years coach Beamer for 32 years of Coach, false and Coach Wiles. That's how stuff was done. So we could have been coach false, they could have came bench. Coach Fuente, could have been coach Smith or Coach, Joe whoever it was that came in after coach Beamer, it would have been the exact same boat as coach Fuente is in now. And he's continually to try to lead and do things his way still got to pay.

23:34 Homage the code way, coach Beamer distance, but this is coach Fuente program, and I think that's why they've been the biggest hurdle that him and the staff that he's continued to put together. Have always had to overcome and stuff. Was done a different way. Back when I was coming out, like we had to make our highlight, takes on VHS, the poly people on this. On this, it is this called, I know what VHS is, probably, right. Where is now as a college coach, if you talk about a kid that's out here in California and I'm in Blacksburg, I can be on the phone with him, recruit him in 30 minutes or less at the scene as highlight tape. I got his transcript like you just a different way so the relationship that were built back then it was certainly was done back then that's not necessarily done now because now you have a bigger footprint and now you having to compete with more people, like it was unheard of for Notre Dame or USC or Arizona. Of these schools to come to Virginia to get kids. Could they didn't know about.

24:33 So now you have to do with that this whole explosion of recruiting and you got to be on the even more so where it seems like wow you know some days you have it like waxing like take us do not offer the everybody or somebody like that's kind of weird. He is like you have to be on an extremely fast. Do your evaluation and try to get these connections because every school across the nation has access to any kid out there and 75 78, the best kept secret that it was back in the 90s and early 2000s. Because you mentioned something and I'll ask you this, you know you are getting recruited 01:02, right? You signed out to the cursor is what was the farthest school? You got an offer from Notre Dame Notre Dame. Okay yeah and Kevin Rogers who was the the quarterback coach you because your Tech? Yeah he was the one he was and then I didn't hear from him for like a couple months.

25:39 University of Virginia Tech University of Maryland and Florida and Florida is one of those schools that was kind of unheard of to. But the reason why Florida became a school for me because my middle school, principal Debbie still works her brother with the d-line coach. Ricky hungry. What the coach do you like coach at Florida? So what He offered me a floor tile. That's why I'm a me. Because if we do think about it, I mean, we roughly all the same age, I'm seven. I know y'all are in y'all's thirties as well, but it has changed when there was no Facebook. There was no Twitter, there was no Instagram. We couldn't live stream, this back in the day, not at all. It's instant connections.

26:36 And, you know, we kind of sit here and say, well, why is why can't we do as good down there? And it's like, because everybody knows about down there. Yeah. ADI. And everybody's making the offers and now, you know, you've got, you've got programs that have private, Justin coaches can jump on and put like to ask you about a mindset, you know, you mentioned it earlier covid created. A lot of really difficult things in terms of installing and Justin elements of Defense in 2020. I mean I didn't happen to bring y'all Wade. That fall Camp was y'all had some camping then, a gigantic break for the first game and you kind of mentioned it earlier but go into it, a little deeper with the benefits of a pull off season what aspects of the defense can we as fans and somebody like Brian who played the game, what are we going to see different this year?

27:35 2021 from James D? I think this consistency like Last year it was only so much stuff we could do because from week to week you without 10, to 20 players, I mean, think about it, we play UNC. We were, we were, we were starting a walk-on safety. Yep. Now Matheny plate is, but often but just tested the athletic disparity was so wide that, but in the game was nothing he could do. I mean he went again, he went against two running backs or drafted in the first three rounds this year, I was nothing that he could really do. So, Diablo missed a lot of games. He's a third-round pick, so you have Caleb Fairley.

28:16 The first round pick. He didn't get to play the whole season. So it was a lot of things that cause it presented to us and we was really on our heels, just trying to fight back and try to scheme up. Stuff to go against teams are going the same way. It was a, it was a league-wide or a nationwide thing with everybody had to deal with, but just for us, like, it was extremely tough because on top of we're, installing the System with brand new coaches. Like I first three games. We didn't have a coordinator nice and they'll adjust. It was. Yeah, it happened that it was a perfect storm of bad stuff. Yeah, I was, I was always comparing it with Kurt. I was like, you know, everybody's got one hand behind their back this year, but it feels like if you're installing new defense, you got both of them on your back. It's a wrap, will turn back a little bit because we got to ask you some questions about your time. Matt Tech, you know, bride and I his first game with Rutgers 2002, you play with my first game was UCF, opening weekend 2003, you played.

29:24 So literally, as at first trips. Tulane Stadium Darryl Tapp was on that ground but the Hokey lure. And we we met you four years ago. It's bringing we even talked about it. Once you've got the lunch pail. Yes sir. You never let it go until you graduated. And then Bud had to literally get another lunch pail, because you took it with you. Correct. I did. Yeah. Everybody on the team to get that. But when you showed up in 02 year freshman, was there anybody on that team in 2002 that help drive you to be that?

30:08 A player and you play with some good ones, man. I can think I know. Jake Groves was on that team. Well, familiar with Ron Weasley maybe. Yeah. What was it one guy. Like when you got there, you saw them on that field. Practice field. And again, we were like that's what I'm going through. Honestly, yes and no. Okay, first it, first and foremost, I'm a extremely family-oriented guy. So my heroes is my mom and dad and my two older brothers That's the way. I was raised like the stuff wasn't done, right? I would do it again. They told me to ride my bike from home to practice partly because no Mom was running everywhere else doing her own daughter stuff with the support of family, her and dad, and I had no other way.

30:53 So, you know, anybody can get get the going and then to like playing sports growing up, was a privilege that could be revoked quite easily, if your grades and chores will weren't up to par. Now was I got to take I was going to Tech with a bunch of guys from Deep Creek, right guys, that I looked up to do my teammates Vegas Robinson, James Anderson DeAngelo Hall and I was going with guys from Tech from the creek to take Josh. Hyman all these guys were all together, so we always push each other growing up as kids think that's what we want to do. We had a clear-cut vision when the conflict when he got to take. Now once I personally got to take the deal on room He's a veteran Laden Group, I think our team with a veteran Laden team where the coaches really had to do very little to get us going. Okay, if I wasn't doing, I posed to do, Lamar Cobb cols colas the Pella DV Jim Davis.

31:55 Tim saying is like, all these guys would put their hands on me to make sure I was going to write you learn real quick of your business and fall in line with what we're trying to accomplish and you I'll be the best player to you can be and of course called your Wiles. You know, he had a he had a reputation for helping guys to reach levels that they haven't seen. So for me it was just the perfect storm of stuff being where I was raised when I Envision, what I want to do with the teammates that I had played with. And I said, walking into a veteran late and team kind of created the person that I became once I got today. Awesome. Yeah, it's nice having guys that you're familiar with that, you have that Comfort level with it. You know we're going to push you and tell you when you're not you know carrying carrying the weight no doubt and that's always good to have.

32:43 I had some teammates like that, I played a little ball in hand and Sydney, I played high school ball. It's always good. Having you have a boy that you can trust that know that they'll call you out when you're not doing the right thing, no doubt about it. So you go ahead Curtis, I'll let you finish what you got last one. There anybody ever on the online that either a you were like oh this is gonna be the dogfight and I will help out. Why do you have to remember one guy from anybody, Jeff King? Who's that JFK JFK all the time. Okay man, I played against him in high school if you'll ask you to, that was crazy. Technically sound strong like unassuming, but you'll put his hands on you.

33:36 Oh man here, I mean that's even better to hear about. Did you think about King and his work ethic because he's busted his butt to get? I mean right he's borderline. I think of Carolina doesn't have a good season. I think. Jeff King might get that GM job down there and bride. Of course you had to play against them up a few Lasky. It's funny again. It's the connections man, it's no doubt it's while Ow. So we're going to be straight up. Okay? 2004 team, it was picked to finish in the bottom half of the ACC fools fools and that ain't how it went down. And obviously Miami game.

34:20 Me and the man comes over to my apartment at Longwood, 1:00 kick and cracking beers with watching that game screaming at the TV for you guys. That's feasible, is a very special place for us. I think probably. Because Brown was at Sydney. I was at Longwood, we got to watch some games together when he wasn't playing for our game early, it just holds a very special place in our heart. Be Rands. Brother was Siegel has ra. Yeah, it's Brandon and Paul what was so different about that year? Because it was it was something special. Back in 2004.

35:05 So I think was a sign of it was we took it as a challenge, we're just leaving the biggies, had finished a year horribly, think we lost like three out of the last four games. A year that we won. Those guys went to bees. And then you got opportunity to go into the ACC. And of course everybody knows like with the whole ordeal to get us into the ACC in the whole night, they were trying to leave us out. And then the way, the powers that be set up, the ACC is they set it up because they weren't in Miami and Florida State to play in the championship. No, to put it in, put them in different bracket so you can set it up, but they put us and UVA and the same bracket like, okay, this wasn't done with that. It was just trying to get more teams in here so they can have it.

35:48 So, we do the same disrespect and we came out the gate. We knew we had USC coming out, the gate. So our Focus was streamline, the guys that were coming up coming in age becoming the Juniors. We're trying to take the team over. That was our total mindset for the whole season going into training camp and we caught fire and believe in one another. Like you still. Can't come to this day bed, and I hate to blame every blame thing on the rails. But the rails affected the USC. Damn, right. Josh Lyman.

37:07 The name of the game was changed in like Biggie's was a run-run dominantly. So we had a bunch of guys that kind of play that system. And those guys are kind of graduated moving out and as we move into the ACC, that's when more athletic players that we had were kind of coming to age, and we just kind of took off, I don't think that they were ready for this type of physicality that we had the way coach Gentry, got us prepared to play each and every season, but especially that season to make our first impression would it was the My said that we had to go out there and let them know that we're not, no, no, no Cakewalk that, that showed on Saturdays and we did we did our thing.

37:47 It was exciting to be a part of noticing that the Rejuvenation of hokey football. Yeah. You know the attended detail that we had it was a it was a fun time and it was a lot of lifelong bonds relations mean it was it was nice to kind of put a stamp on the ACC saying, hey, Here, we're here. We're about to run the rest of the we're about to run the rest of this decade. All right. So I'm going to Pivot a little bit here to somebody that's near and dear to pretty much every hokey fans Hearts Bud. Foster, you know, obviously hokey Legend Best to do it. In my opinion.

38:31 What are some of the lessons are habits that you learn from Bud during your time in Blacksburg? And I that you kind of still carry today or still kind of put those two action today. The intensity for the game and for being consistent in the way. Karen. So you couldn't tell if coach Foster was pissed. Happy sad intensity intensity, intensity. And you got to see his passion and love for the game through that you know and it wasn't just on the football field like he cares about you as an individual person. I coach Foster still to this day will still call and text me just Economics.

39:12 He was going on. Coach dimmer. Does the same thing coach times. Bring with my recruiting coach, no line coach. At that point in time. It still does the same thing, Mike? That's the way those guys were, and that's what, that's all, we knew. So that's the same way I try to carry myself when I was in the Collegiate level. And even now, this low like trying to create a bond with each individual player because I still say it now, saying, to the day I retiring, like, If you show that you can help a player and you genuinely care about a player, you could tell a player that the sky is green and because of that, much love and respect he has for you in the way your opponent to him. He'll be like, you know, what coach tablet is green will be doing now, you know, you got to make those relationships, you got investment people, so, they know that you have the same goal that they want to accomplish, you want to try to help them, get there, that's something that coach false are always talking, always brought to us, And probably the coolest thing of coolest moment with coach for also with at NC State game, like we have played our tails off, he got the ball back to your offense, but their defense was some some unreal that year they had like three, four, four first-round, picks on a deal.

40:16 And three of them came out with me, but to, through material to in Cairo, me and to him came out like the year after. But we did everything we need to do, we put the ball back in offices hand and let them work. He like that's one of you brought the whole defense up said, look I appreciate everything job was the other day. And that's something that's always understood before me in that moment. While the game was still going on there driving to pull us up and let us know. Like that means everything, could we know that we're just not a commodity like, they truly, truly cared about us and we're trying to come and do like that was, that was pretty special, that's to remember. That's awesome here. And like I said, so many hockey fans like you hear stories about just how much you could tell that bud cares about you cares about the game and just put everything into the game when he showed up to work every day. So that's awesome to hear.

41:03 We're going, we're going to Pivot a little bit here to some more. I'll call him fun questions. Not so much hokey related. Not NFL related. I will start out with this one because I'm the movie guy. Okay, Curtis Curtis likes movies but I I'm the big movie head here. Everybody has this like, it's a bad movie. Everybody knows it's a bad movie, but you love it. And every time it's on, you going to watch it. What's that movie for you? Wow. Apollyon go ask by Eddie Murphy.

41:44 There we go, there we go. You know, Eddie Murphy even when the movies bad is still good because it's got Eddie Murphy in it. No no everybody's Watch Beverly Hills Cop 3, it ain't the original everybody. Trash Haunted Mansion. But I enjoyed myself. Okay. So this is kind of a question your personality but also what happened back in the day, you know, in the locker room, what were those three songs that were going to get played to get you guys ready and in no particular order and every day at Virginia Tech.

42:42 So this is our hating early 2000s. With a three go twos. Hmm, it probably been in some some form of DMX rest in peace, rest in peace, something like this. Just listen. There it is. That's it.

44:03 That's it. Don't slip. Gay men because that was the only championship game ever played in the Orange Bowl and y'all took it from him baby? Work them out. Yes. I wore more one more Banger from the early 2000s that was in the Hokies locker room. Hmm, there probably would have been one to Jay-Z. Something's That would have been a gift and a curse that I wanted. Came up your tune the curse. Okay.

44:44 That sounds about right. The big boy. That's right. Oh, I can just carry that one device. Yeah, this is way better. You know we obviously we watched your career from the day you got there into the day retired and now it's fun for us just following you you know your career in coaching because you know obviously we were talking about it before we got on.

45:36 You got that bug you know you went to Tampa Bay Wife and Kids living in New Orleans, you come back. They basically say, hey, you're hired, yeah, you're a coach. So I mean in, I see nothing in my opinion of knowing the individual, you are. I see nothing but good things ahead. I hopefully I see a Super Bowl ring the next time you work out, maybe know as you know, that would be sweet. I'm hoping you get it for you but I would like it like it to go another way, but if you ended up getting it, I would feel like this is s number two for me.

46:20 That's all good. You guys are being child there tonight. This is Darryl, Tapp there a path is not Chop. Prime C, Glenn Curtiss, Wilson are not shy guys. We got it was funny Darrell again, I won't, we really appreciate this. We reached out to you in February and asked, would you like to come on? You were straight up with this. You said, give me a few months, your liking a few months, and I got to make this move and everything. Given month, we hit you, you hit us back. And basically say I'll do it. Thank you for not saying like 3:00 made me choose. Come on neighbors.

47:02 Couch tonight. Bad mood or anything like that. Like I always want to make sure you guys appreciate it for everything. You did to help me and we really appreciate you and you definitely, you know, out there showing the best of what Hokie nation is all about.

47:45 So we really appreciate that too. You really are a man. Well folks that is going to wrap up this live stream of the boundary Corner podcast along with our guest Darryl Tapp I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Visit our website at boundary corner. Be t.com to listen to all our episodes. While you're there. Do not forget to follow us on Twitter, Facebook, subscribe on YouTube, and your favorite podcasts course, including Spotify, Amazon, and apple podcast. And if you guys go back and listen to last spring, there is a hokie Mount Rushmore. The gentleman that joined us here tonight was on that hokey Mount Rushmore. And also if you're looking to join to join the Hokie club and help achieve Reach For Excellence campaign.

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