Miami Game Recap

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Welcome back to the boundary on
a podcast with my partner, Brian

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Segal.
I'm Curtis Wilson, Brian.

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Go ahead.
Do it.

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Before we start do it.
I need to see it.

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I need to see it surrender,
Cobra, man.

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Yeah, your boy courtesy here is
putting a little bit of a beat

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down on me right now.
Not not confirmed yet, but I'm

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in a position where essentially
his next three players have to

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score.
Absolutely.

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Thing for me to win, so it ain't
happening.

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I'm taking the Yale Solomon it.
It's all good.

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It's it hasn't been my year.
Injuries of crush me, guys, on

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the covid list of crush.
Me.

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It just hasn't been the
championship.

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You know?
Your guys aren't as focused.

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Yeah.
Yes, I asked you you took home

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everything.
You were what 11 and 2 in the

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regular season 11 and to it.
Yeah, I crush the regular season

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and then smoke the playoffs it.
What?

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He's looking the playoffs.
Thank you on, by 30 ghost games

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last year in the playoffs.
I don't like it was it like a

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game, it wasn't like brown was
sitting here on pins and needles

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on a Monday night.
It was like I'm yeah absolutely

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Squad last year and nobody was
really injured much.

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So no not many in that helps.
You had a good balance.

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You took a few risk here and
there you know the way you play

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Fantasy like we all should but
you know I got to just throw

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that in.
And there we had photos of our

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teams, had a good day.
Both teams winning your Colts,

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put a SmackDown on the bills.
I mean, yeah, that was that was

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big.
Jonathan Taylor for MVP ladies

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and Gentlemen.
Let's go ahead, Hank and I mean

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for more touchdowns today,
right?

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55 he got a fit.
Yeah, so yeah, you guys are now

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right outside the wall.
Wildcard, the Niners.

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And he went for over 200
all-purpose, rushing and

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receiving, he's really good.
And with the Titans losing y'all

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inch up in the division.
Every yeah, I mean, the only

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downside is that we got to be a
full game ahead of them to

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actually take the division.
It's not, it's no tiebreaker.

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We don't own the, the advantage
there.

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So we got to be a full game
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So that's the downside.
But the upside is, we just got a

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game closer to that, it's true.
And And in the next few weeks

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they've got Patriots Jaguar,
Steelers, 49ers, yeah, they've

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got like a 3 and 2 record
potentially out of that.

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And then y'all got, let's see.
The Buccaneers next week.

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Texans Patriots Cardinals.
Y'all got to run for path to get

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there especially if you know
Kyler and the boys get get

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healthy there and they ended up
playing well today, even even

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without Murray, they played
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So it shows you the importance
in any division in football of

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having a good backup
quarterback, right?

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That likes the one you can
depend on.

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I mean, dean or cult solid but
he still even you know, getting

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a little bit older he still can
move a little bit so he still

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can run most more or less the
full complement of that offense

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and and get things done so
that's helped them.

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And you get a you get a veteran
like that that still takes care

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of the football, but still can
do everything you need in that

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offense.
That's what's big for them.

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It's very true, man.
It's very true and it's you

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again.
It just shows.

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The importance of it again, all
levels of football and we get to

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talk about it.
Some tonight we have and do the

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Hokies here.
And let's just dive into it,

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Braun.
Let's start you know, 38:26

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loss, right?
My mind didn't fool me a tea and

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3826.
I got that wrote down here

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because I did not.
Maybe it was just having a bit.

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Busy day and it was a late
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It was a loss.
I didn't stay up and like, fever

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over it and read a million
posts.

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It ended had some family in town
taking like them, went to bed

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fell asleep.
Yeah, I think a lot of this is

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because we know what's coming
next.

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Yeah, so we're not we're not
necessarily sweating.

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The outcomes at this point, we
more or less want.

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To see this team play hard play
play as good as they can, to

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close this out, and hopefully,
get a game or two in the in the

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win column as they go about
that, to really kind of bring

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things home on a positive note.
But, you know, I think the

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expectations are Kids play hard
and see what happens.

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So we at least got part of that
out of the equation.

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And I like some of the things I
saw from j.c. from a leadership

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standpoint.
Again, this isn't something he's

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doing long-term but I like I
like the the fact that he was

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out there, you know, take taking
some chances putting putting,

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putting the guys in calculated
risk situations to get back in

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the Ballgame, once they fell
behind early and they Did the

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onside kick is probably what
Brian's really talking about the

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biggest.
It was a great play at the time,

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it worked, it pulled us right
back in the ball game again,

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calculated risk.
I know some people saying they

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thought, the defense wasn't
playing hard.

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I didn't see that.
I felt like the defense was

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playing hard.
I think they made some really

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critical mistakes, but it wasn't
for lack of effort.

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So, I did not see a team quit
last night that could

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potentially happen when you had
what happened this week.

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Week JC again.
You said it, calculated risks

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made it, you know, the two-point
conversion.

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I know it was an argument last
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Several places.
Why are we going for two?

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I was okay with it where it
where you had the momentum, the

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play call was to be desired,
which we gonna be a bigger issue

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with the play called in the
decision.

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There we were late enough in the
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At that point, I don't have a
big problem chasing points there

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just because you do, you get it
down to a field goal.

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Game versus a touchdown game, it
set yourself up there, so I

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don't have a problem with that
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Lee.
No, none.

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None with it.
And again, him in the press or

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afterwards, I didn't get to see
everything.

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So awesome.
Quote took full responsibility

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said.
No Asterix on this.

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We lost the game.
You know and that's kind of what

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you want to hear.
Lost the game.

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Nothing special about it.
It was my duty to go out there

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and win the game and we lost.
Yeah, so you know, we've already

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felt better about the if anybody
wants the pressure.

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On Thursday.
We already talked about the

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injury thing AC was quickly.
Very open and upfront about what

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happened about what's going on
especially with Trey not Shadow

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games or I don't know what's
happening.

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You knew what was happening.
All you have to do is we'll see

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you Saturday.
Yeah it was.

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This is what's going on.
This is why he's doing it.

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This is what's this is what it
is, and then we're going to keep

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it moving.
So we're going to see the more

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interesting to see Monday.
Which will definitely be

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watching that especially with
what, you know, what transpired

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with tray.
But let's flip it round.

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Let's start with the defense
because the defense had a

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blunders worth of stuff.
It was yeah, it was probably

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probably one of their worst
outings in a while probably

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since That will Syracuse.
Probably Syracuse.

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Yeah, and Sarah, but Syracuse
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Thousand Cuts after a while.
Whereas you know this seem like

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like they it seemed like they
were down this, they were down

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from the get-go.
Yeah, they got they got there.

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They got their dicks kicked in
the dirt early and then it took

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them a long time to get out
there and by the Time they

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finally rally.
The offense was doing a little

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bit, but it looked like it was
too little too late and then a

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couple more big plays happen to
kind of cap things off.

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I'm writing that one down here.
Brian Dick's kicked in the dirt.

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Put it on a t-shirt.
Yeah, I'm gonna say this your

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version.
Which you were the Catalyst for

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bronze.
Usually the Catalyst for the

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versions just because of his
background and playing, Thing

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after my thoughts in there but
you crushed it.

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I'll tip the cap.
Everything you said that we

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needed to do the things.
We didn't do good it absolutely

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cost us.
The game will start with the one

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thing we did do good and I'm
going to ask you for a great.

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Let's start with gap, Integrity.
Brian.

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I mean, the rush defense and of
this wasn't really a good Miami

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rushing team.
Only averaging about 135 yards

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game and we completely snuffed
it out.

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You know, 57 yards on six
carries.

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What did you see?
What are you grading?

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I guess?
Essentially the front seven and

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the team as a whole for Gap
Integrity.

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Yeah.
This is probably one of their

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better games overall.
I'm going to give them, I'd say

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it's B plus a minus range and
I'm going to give a big

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shout-out to Keyshawn artist who
was a big part of why we were

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able to kind of keep some of
those potential first downs and

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not and really one that should
have been a no first down that

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turned into one on that.
That fourth down that got

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spotted in a full half yard off.
Like it should, it should it

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wasn't even close.
It was terrible 5 and it was

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reviewed and what they even
better.

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Come on said today, there was
this perfect angle.

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You can see where the ball was
like if you stopped it like this

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is where the line is.
This is where the ball is and

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you put ball on the line and I
get they can't like for whatever

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reason.
It has to be a full speed.

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Look the when they look at it,
whatever.

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But I just I don't I don't get
that.

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But again, let's get back to
what we're talking about here.

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So gapper Integrity again,
Keyshawn artist was was really

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the, the big difference here.
He played a majority of the

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snaps out there, and he really
did a good job of stepping up in

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the gap.
Giving a hard shoulder, really?

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Not letting the point of contact
drive him back anymore.

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So, where wherever he was
getting the stick, that's where

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the tackle was made.
And I think that's the

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difference between some of our
other linebackers is that when

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he hits you, you go down.
It's true.

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He does bring the Thunder and he
brings the Thunder but he also

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has pretty good form.
He had Thunders, he gets form.

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It's not.
I'm gonna, you see a lot of

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guys, they bring the Thunder and
they're not essentially rapping.

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He does when he hits he still
under control and I think that's

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awesome.
A lot of players struggle, with

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either being bringing the bring
the lumber or forming up and

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being under control of the
tackle, And he does a good job

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of kind of finding that balance
where he can still bring a pop.

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But but not really put himself
in a bad position.

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Yeah, and I'm going to say this
and I know some people are going

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to scream.
Well, they did all this other

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stuff better.
They won the game but here's the

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issue.
The reason we had that chance in

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the second half is they couldn't
establish a wrong.

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They couldn't establish a run at
all compared to this game could

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have been hit right where we had
no shot because the Gap

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Integrity sucked and they
started running the ball at will

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taking long drives.
Even if they didn't score, they

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break the break, the 40 punnet
deep and we weren't doing

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anything offensively that game.
So, So what I'd ask people to do

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is go back.
Think about the game.

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If this isn't happening decent,
we don't have a fighting chance.

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Now, the rain starts coming
down, they can't quite sling, it

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around as much as they want to
and they could run the ball, so

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won't and that that enabled us
to get some some plays on

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offense and get down the field a
couple times.

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Have the big onside kick there.
I mean, there are several things

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in there where that helped us
really get Back into that game

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because it really could have
went far south.

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If we were struggling in both
phases there.

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So kudos to the the defensive
line in the linebackers, like I

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said, in particular, shout out
to Keyshawn artist.

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Probably my player the game on
defense.

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Nothing really negative to say
about his play and like I said,

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I think overall front seven did
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It's the secondary where well
unfortunately things started

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falling apart.
Art, well yeah, the other thing

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you said Brian was we have to
limit the big plays and okay, we

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gave up two touchdowns over 50
yards.

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I'm one but two Harley's 55
Smith, 75 literally one play

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after we scored a touchdown,
they take it right back to where

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it was.
Then you had Rambo had a

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39-yard.
ER George had a 32 yarder Rambo.

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Let us up all game. 7 for 116,
we talked about him, we talked

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about how highly Everybody was
how he had solid numbers at

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Oklahoma.
He went over 1,000 this weekend,

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that's really making it making
himself some money this year and

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then Van Dyke 375, three
touchdowns, Brian, let's hear a

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your grade and then what exactly
was happening.

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I mean, it's got to be an F,
right?

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I mean, you can't give up that
many big plays and, and get a

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passing grade, and it was a lot
of things.

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Number one, probably the worst
game of Jermaine wohlers career.

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Yep.
And it was a, he had a very bad

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first half and he only had an
okay second half.

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Yeah.
And I'm not sure what was going

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on but it was, it was little
things and big things.

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It was like some some of it look
like efforts on.

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Would look like techniques on
would just look like He's, you

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know, he just got beat like
though.

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It was kind of a little bit of a
mixed bag of everything, which

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was kind of odd.
Like usually, if somebody is

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injured, he looks like he's
injured and there were a couple

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times where he was hopping
around after a play.

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Especially, I think there was
one, throw down the sideline on

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a fade to Rambo that he got
called for PID, came up limping

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right after that.
So I don't know if he's just not

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quite there and some some of
that's best in with his mental,

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but he's getting beaten, a bunch
of different ways. is that is

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Can I say this?
Yeah, I think mental, you said

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it their mental.
And if you think about the first

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big play of the game for Miami
that it was a 30, it was the 39

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yard or two Rambo, he played.
Absolutely perfect coverage.

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It was just a perfectly thrown
ball in a perfect catch.

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Yeah, down the right.
Sideline and my question kind of

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goes back, go back to yourself.
You're playing, you play a

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perfect technique, play
Everything.

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Perfect.
And some guy just gets you

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beats.
You sexy quarterback.

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Yeah.
In that first play.

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I mean, I mean that was
literally early in the game.

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Can that be one of those things
that's just in your head, the

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rest of the game and then you
awkwardly, you know, step on

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your foot and the mental part of
Well they've already hit me.

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I'm already played perfect
coverage.

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I stepped on my foot wrong.
That doesn't feel right.

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I got a pi call.
The next thing.

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You know it's all up here and
I'm the coach's job too good for

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this has been kind of going on
the last couple weeks, though,

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because he had what three Pi is
against Duke.

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He wasn't great.
I know some of those were one

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legit Pia to.
I get that, I get that but It,

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you know, some of this have
been, he's had some rough games,

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the last three weeks, this is
just happen to be the one where

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we couldn't, there was a
quarterback and a receiver that

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can make him pay for it.
And and it happened.

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And you know, it's sad to say,
like I said, I don't know if

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this is just one or two bad
plays and the mental spilling

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over into the physical that
definitely can happen, you know,

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the whole thing, don't let one
bad play.

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Beat you twice.
It seems to be kind of the the,

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the thread here.
But he wasn't the only one that

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was struggling out there in the
secondary.

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We had obviously early, we lost,
we lost a daily.

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So we ended up kind of having to
go different directions in the

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safety area there.
So that's two fold, right?

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So, Not only are you having to
have another guy on there for

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more snaps, but you're not able
to give them as many as many

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blows either.
So, is many blows.

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We taught the targeting real
quick.

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Yeah, and I watched the pit, you
be a game second one.

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Same way, it was shoulder.
It was no ill intent, it was no

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real pardoning.
It was just one of those things.

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I'm going to throw my shoulder
into him.

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Is it got down to my shoulder
level?

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If you want, what do we always
say?

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We go back again.
This is what the went.

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They said and this is actually,
do you want to call that a

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15-yard penalty?
Sure, right.

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Hey, that's fine.
A hit to the Head.

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Fine essentially, may God's goal
or ejections for that.

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It's bullshit.
And it's got to somehow get

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fixed in the next year or so,
Tay daily and the kid from pit

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should have never been off the
field.

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In those games, I'm going to say
Say something wild almost like

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something.
Wild here.

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I want the referee to have
discretion as to whether

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something is intentional or not
and that can be the

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differentiating factor between
an arc between what between

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ejection and just unnecessary
roughness.

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And the reason I say that is
because we've gotten to a point

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where You're losing players that
all they did were was making a

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football play.
Yeah, no ill intent.

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No launching, no headhunting,
just trying to make like, this

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is a guy trying to just put a
strong shoulder into a guy, to

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finish off a tackle, and all of
a sudden he drops his head.

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And there's a, there's a new
Zone there and the defender

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can't change.
I mean, it's a bang.

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Bang, play.
The Defender has zero time to

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recognize what's happening?
And it should because I think

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that did hurt us on the back
end.

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Because how early was that in
the game?

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I'm trying to look through my
notes Here, second Drive.

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I think it was 73 when that
happened, I think.

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And get my notes Here.
Yeah, guys.

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We keep notes.
Believe it or not?

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I'm nerdy.
We are because it wasn't the

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first drive.
Now, I'm pretty sure it was the

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second drive.
If it wasn't was the third

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Either way, either way it was
garbage, it was garbage and it

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definitely hurt us, especially
on the back end.

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It's experiences.
Take daily in putting more

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inexperienced guys.
In.

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All right.
Other thing Brown, you talked

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about was keep behind the sticks
and and I'm going to say this

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when we did, keep them behind
the sticks, they struggled and

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that was a way.
I in the third quarter and early

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part of the fourth that we got
back in this game because of

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that, but still the money stops.
You know, 7 for 13, including

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the fourth down.
Stop that wasn't a stop.

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So they were over, you know,
over fifty percent.

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So Even though it was critical.
What are you graded?

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I mean d.c. - maybe I'm gonna go
see - you know it depends on how

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much credit you want to give
them for the fourth down.

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That wasn't think that's whether
you go see your D here overall

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it wasn't bad and I think some
of it we've benefited from you

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that period you know, late
second into the majority of the

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third quarter where they weren't
able to just sling it deep

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because some of the weather
there.

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So we've The fitted from that
and that I think that kind of

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stacks the the great a little
bit there for us.

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So it could have been much worse
potentially if they were able to

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play their game the whole time
you guys.

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But yeah about to keep him
behind the sticks.

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Do you think?
I'm going to say this was

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jehan's worst game, he called
how many times we were in the

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wrong coverage for the potential
because it seemed like, every

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time we were getting big deep
downfield.

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I feel like a couple times.
It was like cover to a couple

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times.
It was like a cover one.

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We're playing straight man.
And you always mentioned you

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like quarters recovered three
look especially against

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downfield passing teams because
Delta passing teams having those

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guys back. 15 20 yards, he has
to anticipate right?

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Yep.
Why was hand mixing it?

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I know on the Harley play.
The Cub the touchdown we were in

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cover two.
And I asked you earlier about

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this so kind of give your
explanation it should have been

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a touchdown, but should we have
really been in cover two?

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I mean, we're uncovered to
occasionally.

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We, we usually mix it with the
cover to man under look, which I

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would have been okay with there
because at least you would

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probably not have Dax matched up
on a parlor here as they

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essentially.
So so dax's responsibility is is

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to carry up the seam as deep as
he can and in this case he did a

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pretty good job of limiting the
space underneath to throw that

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The problem is that there's
supposed to be another safety on

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top of it, but Jenkins got
caught looking in the backfield

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and was chasing the play.
Instead of being on top of the

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the route there and so he was
out of position to be able to

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come up there.
That's a play that was probably

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going to be a 30-yard Gainer
anyway but it turned into a

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touchdown because Jenkins was
out of position.

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All right.
Like I said I would have

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preferred more of that man under
Look, I would prefer to us to

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once we realize they were
slinging it all night.

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Go into a true nickel and while
essentially have artists out

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there with with Connor and index
off the field, not know knock

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and acts but artist is now our
best run linebacker keep him on

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there and then then roll out.
Connor at the backer and then

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get your extra corners on the
field there.

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That would have been what I
would have done, it would have

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helped somewhat.
But again, we were still in

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coverages at wrong times, we
were still blowing coverages

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blowing assignments, it was kind
of a mixed bag of everything

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that could possibly go wrong in
the secondary true and it all

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happened in one game, it did.
And you talk about blown

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coverage is something else.
You made a big point of on

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Wednesday night.
Was we've got to make them

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settle for three.
Will they got down there four

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times?
We only held them.

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The three once on two of the
touchdowns it was absolutely

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blown coverages.
The one to the tight end

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Mallory.
Somebody completely vacated that

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side, am are eroding up.
There was no one there so once

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he got by Mari and there's no
one vacating that whoever was

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supposed to be back there
vacated The Zone, it was an easy

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pitch for Van Dyke and then the
other one, I know you talked

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about Keshawn artist on the
other touchdown, close to the

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goal line, he blew It was a
little play-action fake.

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He stuck his head in right
outside.

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He, it was in his own.
You could tell it was and that's

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you say what you want to say.
If I can't go back and say,

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well, if they had been in there,
right Zone?

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Does it result in three?
Not seven, don't know.

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But it gets hard to say the
Mallory play was interesting

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because you had, you had two
guys there and it looked like it

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was I think whoever had the the
curls own was playing a little

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too shallow and then Waller got
in no man's land where he could

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decide.
If he was going to stay deep to

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make sure he didn't let
something Creek behind him or

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come up, and get Mallory.
And by the time, he decided to

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come and get Mallory was too,
late way too late.

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And that was on a, that was on a
field side blitz.

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So your best pass rusher in bar.
No, is riding up now.

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Hurry up the sidelines in that
case, right?

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Yep.
Yeah.

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And like I said, I'd have to
look at the tape again to see

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who had that other that other
part of the Zone there.

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But yeah, Walter got kind of in,
no man's land and just didn't

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make the right choice there.
I think if he realized that

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there wasn't anyone, coming
across the field behind him.

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He would have probably came up
and made a play.

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Probably could have had a pic if
he, you know, recognize the the

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route on time.
But, you know, I think he was

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thinking too much on that one.
Very true.

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All right, Brian.
So overall defense it was just

451
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:43,800
not a good night for those guys
regardless they had their

452
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,400
moments that dead us, get back
into it but essentially they

453
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,900
gave up another couple late that
essentially put the game away

454
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,800
from Miami.
Let's let's go to another unit

455
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,300
that had been the best unit.
We've had all year our special

456
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:01,200
teams unit as far as it goes.
For the return coverages.

457
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,800
I mean definitely their worst 86
yards on kickoff.

458
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,900
Turn 65 on punt, returns, and
mean that's 150 plus yards.

459
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:15,800
That is a ton of field position
with a defense that's

460
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,400
struggling.
And it looked like just to me,

461
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,600
not really.
It wasn't like really bad play

462
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,900
that play calls.
You only have so many it.

463
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,600
Look, just like terrible
technique and terrible leverage.

464
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:36,900
Every single time.
Yeah, there was one, the big,

465
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:41,200
the one long kickoff.
Looks like guy got out of got of

466
00:28:41,208 --> 00:28:45,100
his Lane, got blocked a little
bit and it just opened up there

467
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:49,200
was a crease there.
We have one that thankfully got

468
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,300
called back.
It was an awful night for the

469
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,800
coverage, man.
I just think that for something

470
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,100
that's been a strength, all
year.

471
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,500
It's odd to see that that
breakdown.

472
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,500
And I don't know if it was
leveraged, I don't know if it

473
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,200
was you know some of it was
leverage.

474
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,000
Some of it could have been.
All right.

475
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,400
You got the element you're
dealing with that.

476
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,300
But I mean everybody else is
dealing with that too.

477
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:15,400
Yeah.
You can't really use that as an

478
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
excuse.
You just got to go out there and

479
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,700
try to do better next time.
Well, after the first punt

480
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:22,400
return.
Turn.

481
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,300
Yeah, that was the sealer right
there.

482
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:31,100
Yeah, sorry, it's okay.
Herbert Herbert to Eckler and

483
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,900
steel, bronze fate.
Sorry, bud.

484
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,500
But the first punt return.
Like, we have the guy trap and

485
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:44,100
for some reason, They can't
remember the number, but the guy

486
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,600
seems to step left and I'm
sitting like why are you

487
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
stepping left?
Right is all of the open field.

488
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,200
All you need to do is step
right?

489
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800
And force them back up inside.
At least he's going towards the

490
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,500
sideline, he stepped left.
He went right around.

491
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:01,300
And next, it was a 40-yard game
and they were already having

492
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,300
success.
So, you know, you gotta

493
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,800
understand where your Leverage
is, and where your help is.

494
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,700
And that's an instance of
missing both.

495
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:14,700
Now, I would I would find it
Interesting, you know, to see

496
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,700
how many younger guys.
If this was one of those things

497
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:22,000
where well it's late in the
season we need to start gluing

498
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000
some guys, some PT, you know,
essentially they're not that

499
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,300
weird.
They're going to even if we go

500
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,900
to a bowl game, they're going to
get their red shirt.

501
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:34,300
So I wonder if that was part of
it, I might look back on some of

502
00:30:34,308 --> 00:30:37,600
the condensed versions.
See if we can find out who they

503
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,100
were on those and see if it was,
maybe lesser Not lesser skilled

504
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,600
guys.
But lesser got guys with lesser

505
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:50,200
PT on the field less
experienced, folks.

506
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Yeah, Special Teams.
You.

507
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Yeah, it could be I tend to
unless it's somebody that I

508
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,700
recognized right off.
I tend to not pay a ton of to of

509
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,500
attention to who's making the
plays on special teams as long

510
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:07,000
as they are made, especially on
some of those coverages just

511
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,300
because you don't see quite as
many Star.

512
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,100
There's all those units.
Absolutely sorry, brother.

513
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,400
Let's flip over to the offense.
Now, we're rolling here about 30

514
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,400
minutes, deep, let's talk about
the rushing offense.

515
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,900
If you had had to go somewhere,
didn't get to see the game.

516
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:31,100
But I texted, you Braun 43,
rushing 227 yards over five.

517
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,700
Carry the seems good, right?
That seems about what I was

518
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,700
hoping for in the game.
But then if I told you, well,

519
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,800
Thomas got seven carries raheen
Got Two Carries The ACC running

520
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,300
back of the week last week.
Got to carries Keshawn King got

521
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,900
to carries.
And then I told you blumrich and

522
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,000
Bebe.
Got blumrich 30 bb10.

523
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,800
Tell me what would be in your
mind?

524
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,800
And what would you want to do to
certain people?

525
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:08,700
Yeah, this is a big problem.
So let's talk about a few things

526
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,600
because there there's, there's
layers to this, right?

527
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,900
Well, it's a little like it.
It's so, and I'm good with

528
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,100
plumber, getting out there.
And the way that we started, the

529
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,000
game plumber CAD packages that
he was coming in.

530
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,000
There was like, you know, the
wild turkey.

531
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,300
There was some other, the other
things that he was doing just

532
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:31,600
straight quarterback sweeps,
quarterback leads, you know,

533
00:32:31,608 --> 00:32:33,600
there's a handful of things that
they were throwing out there

534
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:41,300
just to mix it up and Not use BB
on a ton of these design runs

535
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,000
LED BB if he's going to run be a
scramble drill or something like

536
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,500
that.
And BB had a couple big runs.

537
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:55,600
Early 11, pretty big one where
it looked like as fast as I've

538
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:02,300
seen him run that, that was what
I he's shown speed, but I didn't

539
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,600
really appreciate how fast he
could really be until that play.

540
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400
But we just Had we haven't seen
enough of that consistently just

541
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,900
because he's been pretty much
banged up.

542
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:14,300
I mean, kind of since week one.
Right.

543
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,500
He had a little little nicked in
that game.

544
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:22,900
He's been a little Nick's since
then it's been ribs.

545
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:26,800
It's been a little hand.
It's been like, it's been a

546
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,500
little bit of everything right
shoulder.

547
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:36,500
So but then we ended up just 30
carries by our quarterbacks.

548
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,900
I just I don't know what to do
with that.

549
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:45,300
I get that there was we got to a
point where BB was nicked again

550
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,600
and you got blumrich.
So you know you're going to get

551
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,500
you know, the Notre Dame game
plan script from that point on

552
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,100
you know that we saw a couple
years back.

553
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:59,200
We QP you're going to get that
type of script but not giving it

554
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,700
to the running back since the
baffling part, it's one thing.

555
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:04,600
If you're devoting yourself to
the run, it's completely

556
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,200
different.
If you're just using your

557
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,500
quarterbacks as bad, Battering
rams, which is just what we did.

558
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,400
Yeah.
And the problem I have with that

559
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,500
is that if you look at some of
the other things is that it

560
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,800
created other problems for the
offensive line and there was

561
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,500
some trickle down there.
So let's go ahead and talk about

562
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,400
that.
And I know we have it in a

563
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,199
different order, but I'm going
to leave with this, the Caden

564
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:35,000
more pull sack, some of that is
set up directly because we were

565
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,500
not using our Our running backs.
So, so if you're is, if you're

566
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:44,000
covering a read option or any
sort of quarterback Rush the

567
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,900
where there's an option for the
quarterback to give primarily

568
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:50,000
you're going to use, either a
squeeze or a pop technique.

569
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,900
You're going to either squeeze
to kind of slow play it.

570
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,300
Make the quarterback make a
choice.

571
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,300
And then you want to try to get
them to keep it.

572
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:02,100
So you can come up, make the
play or pop it.

573
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,000
You're going to essentially
attack the mesh Point, either

574
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,800
you're going to make the
quarterback, give it or you're

575
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,100
there to make it make a tackle.
Well, once they saw, we weren't

576
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,200
handing the ball to the running
back.

577
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,300
It was pop all day.
They were going right at the

578
00:35:14,308 --> 00:35:20,300
mesh point every single time.
Every time there was no waiting.

579
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,800
There was no, there was none of
that.

580
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,300
No.
Hesitant I'm going right at the

581
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:27,700
quarterback and he's either.
Going to give it because it's

582
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,200
smart where I'm going to get me
a big play in the backfield.

583
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,700
And though in the backfield and
here's one where we got it, we

584
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:39,700
got a counteraction counter play
action on a on a pass and

585
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Cadence pulling across the
formation to essentially block.

586
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,400
The guy that would normally be a
read and a read option.

587
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,600
But he's already thinking all
right with this is a

588
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,200
read-option.
I'm attacking the mesh point,

589
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,400
he's flying up field.
He's five yards up field before

590
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,400
Caden even gets into the
position there.

591
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,900
So it's not so much.
That that play can't work or

592
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,900
that scheme, can't work.
But in this situation, and I'll

593
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,600
critique Kayden here, a little
bit, probably a bad, bad step a

594
00:36:10,607 --> 00:36:14,500
little bit slow getting across
there, but it's made worse by

595
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,600
the fact that, that, that
defensive end is flying up

596
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,900
filled already.
It was, it was worse than

597
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:24,200
because they already knew
tendency, right?

598
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,600
Yeah.
Tendency was, they're not giving

599
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,500
it, he's going to keep it.
So I'm just going to fly off.

600
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:36,300
And if he gives it a oh well
they're down in the game, it was

601
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:41,300
just like it's this whole thing
that again, this offensive

602
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:46,200
coordinator cannot grasp.
In that case, if you start

603
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,500
giving it more up the middle or
even on those the beers we saw,

604
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,800
you will make them have to start
thinking again because Malachi

605
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,700
Thomas or Rahim blacks year or
even key Chongqing, you make the

606
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:06,100
wrong mistake on them and they
get the scene, it's a house call

607
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,600
it's 40 or 50 yards, if they had
no fear of it, they got the ball

608
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,700
seven times, they got the ball.
Basically 12%.

609
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:19,600
No team is going to be scared of
the running backs if you're

610
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,300
giving them 12 percent
especially a guy like Rahim that

611
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,100
does better with volume and
Malachi does better with volume

612
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,800
as well.
They do you get them more

613
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,900
carries they are more consistent
so you got kind of essentially

614
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,100
cold backs at this point right
back to them.

615
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,900
Either been blocking most of the
game or having been on the field

616
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,700
or been decoys.
Yeah.

617
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:51,300
Like so like Essentially carried
your offense since Notre Dame,

618
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:56,000
right?
Yep, since Notre Dame or decoys

619
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,500
in a game, you need to get Bowl
eligible on the road.

620
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,700
Yeah, somebody doesn't want a
job after this.

621
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,900
Somebody doesn't want a job.
Somebody's looking at Nathan

622
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:09,800
Hale, with, with a big grin
right now.

623
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,500
He's like, all right, I'll be
there next year.

624
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:14,000
Yeah.
Hey, five years here at 500

625
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,500
thousand dollars out.
Is my money, let's the passing

626
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,300
offense, you know, it wasn't
help.

627
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,500
We did give up for sex.
We had six tackle, they had six

628
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:29,200
tackles for loss ugly, stat line
to me.

629
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Ugly passes 19, 428 148, three,
touchdown passes.

630
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,900
All of them were right at the
goal line, and just some of the

631
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,700
ugliest freaking passes, it was
raining.

632
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:45,500
Yes.
But they were still Ugly.

633
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,900
I don't care what anybody says,
I'm with you.

634
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,300
And I mean, so let's start with
one thing.

635
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,100
The offensive line didn't have
the greatest night in pass, bro.

636
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:58,300
It wasn't awful, but it was one
of their definitely in the lower

637
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:02,400
50% of their effort this year.
That was compounded a little bit

638
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
by a lot of the things that
we're going on behind the line

639
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,100
of scrimmage with the
quarterback situation.

640
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:15,000
And as you said, 19 2848, three
touchdowns a lot of that was

641
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,800
About three plays two of which
were to sorry, one of which was

642
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:30,300
to Trey Turner that get injured
on and really if Trey Turner

643
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:35,000
doesn't make two plays and then
you've got some of the other

644
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,500
younger guys that were going to
talk about a little bit.

645
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,000
Making a couple of plays that
stat line going to be been even

646
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
worse.
I sat like them, like these

647
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,000
weren't routine catches.
Ladies and gentlemen, this this

648
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,600
This was pulling the rabbit at
your head a little bit.

649
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,600
That's that line.
Legitimately could have been 15

650
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:58,400
for 28, maybe 85 yards.
Maybe somewhere somewhere,

651
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,900
thereabouts, maybe 100, maybe,
150, go back and do the math.

652
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,700
It wouldn't have been over 150.
I know that.

653
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,400
No, but let me ask this Brian.
You were going into UVA next

654
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,000
week.
You mentioned that you about

655
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,900
Connor, you mean that ugly
screen pass.

656
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:24,600
Good Lord, he threw that thing
right into the dirt, but as it

657
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,700
is, he is even better chance on
the ball.

658
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,300
So, I'll say this, you talk
about the one in the dirt, but

659
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:33,000
then he talked about when Brax
was in there.

660
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,700
He sailed one about 10 yards
above tase head, so I don't know

661
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:43,100
which is worse.
Neither were catchable unless

662
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,300
you were in the immediate
vicinity Sanity of the

663
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:51,900
quarterback.
So I'll tell you the one thing

664
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,200
that blumrich does is that he
does throw a ball more than 15

665
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,600
yards, downfield, that gives our
receivers a chance to make a

666
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,500
play on it.
He does that better than

667
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:04,300
Braxton.
What Braxton has is.

668
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:10,000
He has accuracy in the short
game when he's able to have a

669
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,500
clean pocket step into it, make
a good throw.

670
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,900
He doesn't have the arm strength
to do anything beyond that.

671
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,500
He doesn't throw the out very
good.

672
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,100
He's got to drive it.
He doesn't throw a good deep

673
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:29,000
ball, he doesn't really do a
good job of attacking the middle

674
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,300
of the field.
So, you know, maybe blumrich as

675
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,600
sad as it is to say gives us the
better chance because he does

676
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,800
put a ball up there down the
field that gives our receivers a

677
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,700
chance to do something with it.
Maybe we stick with him just

678
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:50,700
because he is also the more
durable quarterback.

679
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:53,400
If we are going to stick with
running our quarterbacks this

680
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,700
much in the UVA game as well, it
can times.

681
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:01,900
Yeah, it'll be it'll be I'm sure
Monday.

682
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,500
Presser something will be asked
about that so it'll be sort of

683
00:42:05,508 --> 00:42:09,700
mind-blowing.
We've got, you know, 76 days

684
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:12,800
roughly give or take you
mentioned it earlier a little

685
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,900
bit of you.
Movement on probably counter

686
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:20,400
bluemix best thrown ball
downfield, Dwayne Lofton.

687
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,200
He gave him a chance and Duane
caught it.

688
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:26,100
Yeah.
And I mean that was that's a

689
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:32,000
tough throw and he put it where
only Lofton could get it and

690
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Lofton winning got it.
Yes he did full extension.

691
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,800
It was it was probably one of
the two best plays the night and

692
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,300
Trey Turner had the other one on
the The catch it at the goal,

693
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:52,400
line there for the touchdown,
very vintage Odell Beckham jr.

694
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,800
Esque.
But, but we also had Jalen

695
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:02,500
Jones, get a big catch on a dig
across the middle where he took

696
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:07,600
a big pop after the catch.
So you know, those two guys

697
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,700
getting involved in the passing
game is Big I'd like to see more

698
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,300
of that.
I'm sad that we Didn't see more

699
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,900
earlier in the season,
especially for the fact that,

700
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,600
I'm pretty sure this point,
lofton's shirts, burnt despite

701
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,200
not really getting a whole lot
of actual targets, right?

702
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,900
I want to say he, I want to say
he's played in at least four at

703
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:35,700
this point.
Give me a second here, while I'm

704
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,600
looking that up, Brian, let me
ask this, give me the overall

705
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,700
assessment of the offensive
coordinator.

706
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:44,400
Tell me.
Tell me right now.

707
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Like you know, he's coaching for
his future and I know where

708
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,100
We've joked about it but let's
be serious right now.

709
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,800
I mean, is he going D to best at
best at best at best?

710
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,500
I can't see him getting a
coordinator job.

711
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:07,400
Like he's not going to get any
decent FCS coordinator job.

712
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,700
At all.
I mean he's just like his only

713
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:20,200
hope is for one day gets a G5
job in hires and I mean the

714
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,800
thing is that the the Secret's
out on him at this point.

715
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,800
This isn't this isn't a guy
that's having a bad run or a guy

716
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,600
that doesn't have the talent
rate.

717
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,900
This is a guy that has shown who
he is what he is.

718
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,400
We've got guys on the record
saying what he does.

719
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:42,600
Yeah, you know the only thing
that he As well at this point,

720
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:49,800
is misdirection with motion.
That's it.

721
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,400
You get to you.
Get to the linebackers eyes

722
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,400
moving in the wrong direction on
occasion.

723
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,600
Okay.
Good for you dictate where the

724
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,100
balls going to go eventually.
You don't think they can.

725
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,300
You don't think these guys who
are coached and watch a ton of

726
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:09,100
tape, say the coaches on the
sidelines, when you see this

727
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,600
play happen, just go just go
with this guy.

728
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,300
Why?
Because homeboy over there is

729
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,500
going to tell them to give it to
this guy.

730
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,400
There's not going to be every or
or tell him not to, you know, a

731
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,500
lot of times it's either.
Sometimes the the window

732
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,700
dressing gives away the play and
then sometimes the window

733
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,700
dressing, you just need to
ignore.

734
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:27,900
And once you figured out what
window dressing to pay attention

735
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:32,700
to and which ones to ignore the,
the Secret's out, very true

736
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:34,500
Braun.
Alright Braun.

737
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:38,700
You know, before we get into
looking at some coaching

738
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,500
candidates for the Virginia Tech
job guys, we like we told you

739
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,500
Wednesday, we did a bunch on
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Now back to the episode Alright
guys, so we have made a list of

749
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:29,300
close to 15 guys and we made a
list of no chance and he'll and

750
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,900
we made a list of one guy we
want, but would probably get.

751
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,300
So we're going to start with the
Ford our courses.

752
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:37,800
There's been some rumors of
these guys.

753
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,700
We just in hindsight we can't
see any of these guys actually

754
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,300
accepting this job or us
offering the job.

755
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Job and those are these four as
follows.

756
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,300
Byron Leftwich Tampa Bay
Buccaneers offensive coordinator

757
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,900
Bill O'Brien, the OC at Alabama
for an NFL head.

758
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,500
Coach Hugh freeze at Liberty and
Brent pry, who's the defensive

759
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:05,200
coordinator up at Penn State?
I'd say two of these.

760
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,100
We probably will, at least
contact how far we get the

761
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:11,600
process.
I don't know, I'd say Bill

762
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:18,900
O'Brien and Brent pry, or more
of A four or more likely to get

763
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:22,400
into the process here?
I don't know, I don't know what

764
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,100
you what your opinion is on
that.

765
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:26,700
But that would be the two that I
would say, have a better chance

766
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,900
in the Dark Horse category here.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on

767
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:30,400
that.
I don't know.

768
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,800
A lot of people, I got text
about Buddy last night.

769
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Like Hugh freeze like we're not
hiring Hugh, freeze Hugh.

770
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:43,300
Freeze has a stain on him that I
don't think our Administration

771
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:48,600
ill will go for Or I just don't
think, I think it would be a

772
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,700
good hire.
I don't think that Virginia Tech

773
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:54,600
goes that route.
If, for whatever reason, whether

774
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,800
it's, Which choice, whether
it's, you know, guys on the

775
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,500
board of visitors that aren't
willing to sign that check or

776
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:06,500
sign off on that, there's going
to be pressure from for multiple

777
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:09,400
levels to probably not give you
freeze the look.

778
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,300
He probably deserves and that's
just you called that a fit

779
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:15,600
Choice.
Whatever it Is.

780
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,800
I mean, some of it is, is being
able to fit into that that type

781
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,900
of parameters.
So if you got a guy that's

782
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:29,300
that's budding against your
board of visitors, every couple

783
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,200
months that's probably not a
good thing.

784
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:35,300
So that's probably why it's not
going to happen.

785
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:41,900
Like I said, I think he if it
was my choice and I mean, being

786
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:47,600
he'd be in my top five.
So, But now I'm going to say

787
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,500
this though, with LSU already
being open and now Florida

788
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:52,700
coming, open put Dan Mullen as a
dark horse to.

789
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:59,100
It's just later in the process,
but I think now he has his

790
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,800
sights on two programs.
And I'm not saying they don't

791
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:08,900
care about what happened before
but it's less like you listen we

792
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,900
don't really care.
We just want to win 85 to 90% of

793
00:49:11,908 --> 00:49:13,900
the time and compete for
championships.

794
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,900
So there Our I just mentioned
five Dark Horses.

795
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,600
They're there on our minds we
just can't see them going any

796
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,000
further.
But let's start with the first

797
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,000
name here.
Brian.

798
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,100
I'm going to do the program.
Will do the cons have little

799
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,400
back and forth.
Mike Elko Texas, A&M defensive

800
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,900
coordinator couple of his prose
y'all.

801
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,100
He had been with Dave place.
And previously had two very

802
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,500
successful students with Clausen
before he went up to Notre Dame

803
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,600
and Texas A&M much bigger time
programs.

804
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,000
He does have Obviously some ties
to the state of Virginia

805
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,600
recruiting being at Richmond
with Clawson and then being at

806
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Wake Forest his defense is
always been good.

807
00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:00,600
Like he's never had like the
worst defense in the country.

808
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,900
Obviously, it's gotten better
looks as he has gotten more

809
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,600
Talent, especially Notre Dame
for a few years.

810
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:12,200
And again, being at Wake Forest,
they had some solid defense has

811
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,200
obviously has a little bit of
Player Development to go along

812
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:22,600
with his good recruiting Yeah,
and for the cons, the big thing

813
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,600
we're looking at is really no
head coach experience, that's

814
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,900
out.
The gate is going to be the big

815
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:31,900
one, and that might be the one
thing that keeps him off with

816
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,000
its radar.
I know he said that he's not

817
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,200
shying away from guys that have
only been coordinators, but he

818
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:46,100
also is, you know, he said the
power 5 job in the ACC being

819
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,700
your first head coaching gig is
going to be a tough jump.

820
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:53,900
So I think he's only going to
look at a coordinator.

821
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:58,300
If it's absolutely 100%, the guy
he wants or the guy that he

822
00:50:58,300 --> 00:50:59,900
thinks is going to be the best
fit.

823
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,700
So that's kind of where we are
with with the cons and you know,

824
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:07,900
we got another one here.
Most recruiting success has been

825
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,600
in Texas and that's really the
big thing.

826
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:14,200
When you look at his recruiting
numbers and the guys that he's

827
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,900
pulled, most of those big
recruits have been in Texas.

828
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:21,100
We know how that's Or he goes in
terms of how that relates to

829
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,300
Blacksburg, you know, you can
pull one or two.

830
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,200
It's not something where you can
build a pipeline and he really,

831
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:33,300
you know, in terms of being on
the the head coaching radar, he

832
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:37,000
really hasn't been on that that
radar until some of the success

833
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,800
recently at a.m. and then you
previously at Notre Dame's.

834
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,200
So Elko is really kind of a new
face in terms of being on the

835
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,700
head coaching radar.
I don't know if that's

836
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,900
necessarily something that would
shot folks away from it, but it

837
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,400
is something to look at there.
Yeah, yeah.

838
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,000
When you balance is pros and
cons, would it be?

839
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,100
Would we be throwing things and
on the drive to Miriam and to

840
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:02,500
pick it?
No, we will.

841
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,500
And I think you'd be an okay
higher but I but I definitely

842
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:10,800
think we can do better.
I do think Elko is on the verge

843
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:16,400
of probably the next Two years.
He's going to get a head

844
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,700
coaching job.
I do not think he will get a big

845
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,900
P5 job.
I think he will have to land

846
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:27,400
somewhere like a Wake Forest
like a Syracuse and build his

847
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,300
ilk from there.
Yeah.

848
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,400
If he's going to go power 5,
probably the bottom end, you

849
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,600
know, maybe maybe even Duke if
that comes open.

850
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,800
No, not that.
I wouldn't want it either.

851
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,100
I'm just saying he might take it
anyway.

852
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:45,300
Yeah, I'm kind of with you
there.

853
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:49,300
I think the big thing with Elko
is that, you know, we don't know

854
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:52,000
a whole lot in terms of what
that what he would look like as

855
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,600
a head coach.
And I think that's something

856
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,200
that unless he's got, he checks
a whole lot of other boxes that

857
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,600
might be the thing that holds
him back.

858
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,700
Absolutely.
So let's go ahead and move on

859
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,900
to.
We'll talk next about Josh

860
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:10,600
Gaddis.
Some of the pros for Josh Gad is

861
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:15,200
he was born in played in the
region so that that's, that's a

862
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,800
big thing for him.
He's had some big stops in his

863
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,700
career, big stops throughout his
career.

864
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,900
He was an NFL draft pick and
player.

865
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:29,100
So having that NFL experience,
definitely adds to the pedigree

866
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:35,600
there has some experience in
Mid-Atlantic recruiting And he

867
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,600
was the recruiting coordinator
at Penn State.

868
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,600
So I think that's really when
you look at the overall body of

869
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,100
work there, some pretty good
things to talk about, what are

870
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,700
some of the cons on Gaddis
there?

871
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,300
Curtis it goddess.
Michigan OC.

872
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:52,800
You know, first of all it's the
one, the next shower.

873
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,400
And a kind of cart seeing a
trend here.

874
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,000
He has no head coaching
experience at any level.

875
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,500
Here's my biggest con what we
mean by we're talking about us.

876
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:07,500
When Mike's locksley got his But
Maryland, he and Gaddis were

877
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,400
Colo seeds.
When locksley got the job, he

878
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,600
was not internally promoted
immediately to hit offensive

879
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:22,100
coordinator and essentially when
that happened, you know, he

880
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:25,700
left, he went up to Michigan and
since he's been at Michigan,

881
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:33,400
it's taken a little bit of time
to, you know, kind of kind of

882
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,100
show exactly what he's all
about.

883
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:38,700
You know, he's been at Michigan
now.

884
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,500
This This his third season they
were is okay.

885
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:45,700
In 2019, they didn't look great.
Last year, they're finally

886
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,700
hidden strides this year,
biggest test this weekend,

887
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,900
against Ohio State, and this is
one.

888
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:56,300
I always talk about.
He's only ever coached Elite

889
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:57,700
Talent as a.
No.

890
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,900
See.
And when you start coaching

891
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:06,400
guys, at that level, Is it, is
it some of what you say and do

892
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,800
helps you?
But when you have the best

893
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,500
players for near the top of the
best players at every single

894
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:17,400
position as an offensive
coordinator, Some things it's

895
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,600
just like, you know, I hate to
say there's something like well,

896
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,300
let's just run a power over,
right?

897
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,600
37-yard touchdown.
Yay, great call.

898
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:37,400
Now that's deployers so, you
know, if he's hired you feel

899
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,400
like, you know, probably haven't
seen any interviews with Josh

900
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,600
cow so you probably feel he
probably got a good personality.

901
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:53,800
Leti where he recruits, but I
think he's one of those jobs if

902
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,300
he continues to do good in
Michigan.

903
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,200
If they, if they beat Ohio State
next week and they go to the

904
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,700
playoffs, I think he will get a
solid head coaching job

905
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:07,000
somewhere.
Yeah, I agree.

906
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:15,500
I think. with Gatos, he's
probably one of the more under

907
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:19,500
the radar coordinators that's
made our list here.

908
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:23,300
I would say, I think he is
getting a lot of good.

909
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:25,900
Looks some of that is, you know,
because he was born and played

910
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:28,700
in the region.
And I think some of that is just

911
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,800
his overall pedigree and then
the couple big stops with Penn

912
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,400
State and out at Michigan that
he's had, you know, Bama in

913
00:56:35,408 --> 00:56:39,000
there as well.
So you will see if he ends up

914
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,400
staying on the radar as we kind
of Move Along here.

915
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,600
True.
So who's up next buddy up?

916
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,700
Next Marcus Freeman.
Defensive coordinator had a

917
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:56,200
Notre Dame, you know, his prose
wherever he's been at.

918
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,000
He's shown the ability to
recruit.

919
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,400
Good players.
And it's it's something that

920
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,300
sticks because he was at Purdue.
He was at Cincinnati.

921
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:12,100
If you've ever seen him speak
and I got to watch a video, his

922
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:15,600
personality, it will blow you
away here in the sky.

923
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Talk about his philosophy about
players.

924
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,600
You go to YouTube, just find a
market screaming interview and

925
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,100
that will partially sell you on
why he's above, you know, a few

926
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,300
other guys who had a little bit
more timely programs.

927
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:37,200
Yeah, he wins player at Ohio
State.

928
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:39,800
What he's done, it's in C and
Notre Dame.

929
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,900
Last few years that's that's
something its culture, right?

930
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:49,500
Winning culture is a thing.
They haven't given up a

931
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:52,500
touchdown in the last three
weeks ever know they haven't,

932
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,900
they haven't even touchdown.
Now, the other thing I like

933
00:57:55,900 --> 00:58:01,600
about him and again it goes back
to this being where he is now at

934
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Notre Dame with the Elite Talent
like guy like Kyle Hamilton, but

935
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,000
he was at Cincinnati where he
had to develop guys.

936
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,100
So he's showing you that
combination that to me is, why

937
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:16,300
hit some had coaches?
Do so well, which will about

938
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:18,200
Nick Saban.
He has a ton of four and five.

939
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,600
Star guys, but you also see
three star guys coming there and

940
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,500
make impacts right.
He knows how to fix the elite,

941
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000
he knows how to coach
Developmental and to me to be a

942
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,700
top, 15 top 20 program, that's a
balance, you have to have

943
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:34,600
someone.
We just mentioned, I don't think

944
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,900
Dan Mullen knows how to do that
down in Florida.

945
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,200
That's why you got fired.
I think Dan knows how to coach

946
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,200
developmental Talent.
He hasn't found a strive for the

947
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,700
Elite Talent guys.
I think he I think he can

948
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:51,600
consistently recruit top 30
classes, but he has to do more

949
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,200
of the on the development side.
He's not a guy that can take,

950
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,600
he's not a guy that can get
Florida, the classes.

951
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,000
They should be able to get but
he also doesn't know how to

952
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,200
handle those guys once they get
in the door either.

953
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:05,800
Absolutely.
All right, Brian.

954
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,300
Let's look as much as we just.
I just drooled all over Freeman.

955
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,300
There are some cons there.
Yeah, I mean the big one.

956
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:16,200
This is still consistent is
going to be consistent with

957
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,100
every coordinator that hasn't
had a head coach experiences

958
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:22,100
that no head coach experience at
this point.

959
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,700
So any any We're taking on
Freeman.

960
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,700
Will have that risk associated
with it.

961
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:28,300
That's just going to be
something.

962
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:32,000
We're going to have to
potentially deal with and the

963
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,800
second one being he's only been
at one place where he's had big

964
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,600
expectations and that's where
he's at now and he's only been

965
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,600
there, you know, 90% of one
season.

966
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,000
So That's, that's interesting
angle there.

967
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,900
Just because you know, while
since he had expectations for a

968
00:59:55,900 --> 01:00:00,100
G5 school, you know this wasn't
make the playoffs type

969
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,500
expectations.
He's at he's at a place now

970
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:06,400
where the expectations to make
the playoff and he's showing out

971
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,100
thus far.
But this is really, you know, a

972
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:14,500
very small sample size at this
point and the last one being

973
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:16,600
he's only really ever coached in
the Upper Midwest.

974
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:23,400
We talked about Purdue Cincy.
Notre Dame obviously has OSU

975
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,000
ties there so in state.
Yeah, Indiana that's it.

976
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,400
So high.
Oh, state is the closest he's

977
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:40,500
ever been to the Mid-Atlantic
and again, that's another cell.

978
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:44,100
But again I think my positive
listen to him talk.

979
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:48,900
I think that guy could walk into
any The Mid-Atlantic household

980
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,100
and silica ball program.
Yeah, and we've seen and we've

981
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:55,300
seen it done.
I mean, he's got some once he

982
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:57,500
started it.
A lot of was sensing a lot

983
01:00:57,500 --> 01:01:00,600
especially now with Notre Dame.
He's recruiting players from all

984
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,800
over the country and he's having
success wherever he's

985
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,300
recruiting.
So I don't think the recruiting

986
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:10,800
part of it is necessarily a
problem and I don't necessarily

987
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,900
think that will have a problem
in terms of the fit in terms of

988
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,800
His personality.
Whereas in Puente some of you

989
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:29,100
know Oklahoma Texas type
demeanor, rub some wrong way.

990
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:31,700
I don't think you'll have that
with Freeman even though he's

991
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:34,200
not necessarily a regional guy.
Yeah.

992
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,200
So those are the cons for
Freeman.

993
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,100
I feel really good about Freeman
Freeman, is probably the highest

994
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:44,000
I am on any coordinator on our
list.

995
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,000
Yeah.
I'm with you.

996
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:49,600
I'm with you on that who we got
next O'Brien?

997
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,200
All right, next up.
We got Tony, Elliott, offensive

998
01:01:54,200 --> 01:02:00,100
coordinator at Clemson.
This is a name that was very

999
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,900
high on the buzz list last year
when we thought Fuente might be

1000
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:08,700
out following the covid year,
the big thing out the gate.

1001
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,900
This guy can recruit his ass
off.

1002
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:15,300
You look at some of the
recruits.

1003
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:18,900
He's pulled in.
It's a who's who of the big-name

1004
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,800
Clemson guys that have walked
through the door?

1005
01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:25,600
And he has lower Mid-Atlantic
recruiting experience.

1006
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,500
So he's recruited up into
Virginia.

1007
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:31,000
He's recruited a lot and the
Carolinas or crew delight and

1008
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:37,600
Georgia some in Florida and
really completely torn it up and

1009
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,500
his offenses have set records.
I mean we look at 2021 is really

1010
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:44,500
the big outlier.
Some of that has to do with some

1011
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:48,100
of the limitations He's had with
his quarterback play overall,

1012
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,700
he's more of a running backs
ISO.

1013
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:53,800
You know, I'm not sure if we'll
see.

1014
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,300
See, that type of thing carry
over there, but his offenses

1015
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,700
have done well, with really good
talent.

1016
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:05,500
And with, you know, just above
average Talent you, he doesn't

1017
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,900
need a five-star.
Number one or two quarterback in

1018
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:13,600
the class to get it done.
And his position group is always

1019
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,000
performed.
Like I said, with the running

1020
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
backs there, they've always had
pretty good.

1021
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,100
Numbers Shipley's do is probably
the bright spot of that offense

1022
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:24,300
this year.
Overall, obviously Travis at TN,

1023
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:30,100
completely tore it up when he
was here, and when you listen to

1024
01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:33,400
this guy, talk much like
Freeman, very infectious

1025
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,300
personality type of guy, you
want to play for type of guy,

1026
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,700
you want to hear speak about
that your program?

1027
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:42,800
So Curtis we talked about the
pros.

1028
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,300
What are some of the cons here
man?

1029
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:49,300
One of the cons is again no head
coaching experience and it's

1030
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:52,600
very limited recruiting in the
DMV are very limited.

1031
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,300
He this isn't like his primary
or his primary areas down in

1032
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,000
Georgia and Florida.
So he has submitted Land

1033
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Experience.
But he's not, it's not a ton of

1034
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,200
where we, where we feel like we
need to see it.

1035
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:09,500
He's only ever coached and state
of South Carolina.

1036
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:18,700
Clemson and firm, that's it.
So that's that's one of those.

1037
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:20,000
I'm not going to say it's a red
flag.

1038
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,100
At least it's only two states
away, you know, and it's in your

1039
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:27,800
footprint.
So probably gets a feel a little

1040
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,700
bit about the type of recruiting
Virginia Tech can do and here's

1041
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:35,800
my biggie.
You talked about having either

1042
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,900
Elite or above-average Talent.
So, basically Brian saying five

1043
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,200
or four, H thumb 3.
How does he?

1044
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,600
How does he coach not only
Talent?

1045
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,900
And it's, and I know of
Clemson's a little different.

1046
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:55,800
They do have some, I guess you
could say scheme fit guys, and

1047
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,600
some more locker room guys than
a place like, Alabama, Ohio

1048
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:06,200
State, but it's still a bunch of
talent.

1049
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,800
It's still a top 10 talented
team.

1050
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:12,400
And when you start taking guys
away from that, and putting them

1051
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,500
in that where we are right now,
we're sitting 40.

1052
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:20,600
Usually we set somewhere,
Between about 22 and 30, right?

1053
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,400
How are you going to get 25 to
play like 10?

1054
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,700
It's tough because when I say,
call power 0 and they go 37

1055
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:32,100
yards for a touchdown, can't do
that anymore because it's not

1056
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:35,000
all there.
I like Tony.

1057
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,600
I think Tony has taken a hit
this year with the way the

1058
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,900
offense is looked.
And then I do some of that's

1059
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:45,900
fair and some of that's not but
I mean, it kind of is what it

1060
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,100
is.
You take it.

1061
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,000
Hit even, you know, whether it's
dessert or not, you're the face

1062
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,400
of the offense so it kind of
comes with the territory, right?

1063
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,300
It's true.
You're the face and especially

1064
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:59,700
when the guy that, you know, he
was calling with went to South

1065
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,100
Florida and now he's not doing
girl.

1066
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:08,400
Great at all.
But it's one of those things.

1067
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,100
I don't think Tony line Lanes
anywhere this year.

1068
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,500
I think he's cooled off, but I
think what will be interesting

1069
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:19,300
to see what happens is with him
and Dabo Brannan, Street is a

1070
01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:21,000
quarterback coach, right?
Yep.

1071
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,900
If that's the issue does Dabo
pull the trigger because Dabo

1072
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:30,400
has done that a few times.
He's like, guys, go a couple.

1073
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,600
Guys have had good success in
left.

1074
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,600
We're going.
Talk about another guy pretty

1075
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,900
pretty soon here that he did
that with.

1076
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:39,500
Yes, we are.
All right, but Brian, who's our

1077
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:44,300
next candidate up?
All right, so next up, we've got

1078
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:49,700
Dan landing, d.c. at Georgia.
All right, so Dan Landing guys.

1079
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:53,000
His prose experience with
winning programs.

1080
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:57,600
Always a big thing has a winning
culture already instilled in him

1081
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,400
and you know, when we sit here
and talk about well besides

1082
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,900
Georgia, you know, where else
has he been?

1083
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:09,600
Well he was with Mike Norvell in
Memphis because of potential

1084
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,000
Memphis connection, that was 16
and 17.

1085
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:17,000
When again over L came in there,
kept the one day going he was

1086
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:23,900
also at Sam Houston State, a
pretty good FCS power so you

1087
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:26,600
know it's like we win we win we
win.

1088
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,600
Yep.
Georgia since 2018 and his unit

1089
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:38,100
you know whether it be the
outside line backing unit always

1090
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:41,300
good at Georgia or now the whole
defense in general.

1091
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:46,200
They're an elite level.
And I know they've got five star

1092
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:52,400
studs, all over the place.
Other teams due to the what he's

1093
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,000
getting out of them.
This year says a lot about him

1094
01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:02,700
because they're dominating.
Yeah to unprecedented levels in

1095
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,700
this era.
Now, one more good thing about

1096
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:11,600
him Landing does has a purty
good Mid-Atlantic footprint for

1097
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,800
his recruiting.
So it's not like that culture

1098
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,200
shock of coming from the Midwest
or the Upper Midwest.

1099
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,300
He's down at the Mid-Atlantic,
similar to Tony, even though

1100
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:28,000
there's not a lot of DMV in
there I still think that I think

1101
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,800
you would understand the
cultures that are than guys

1102
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,899
coming out from the west or even
the Midwest.

1103
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:41,600
All right Ron, what's the cons?
So Collins I mean we've already

1104
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,800
said it for a lot of these guys
with the big one is going to be

1105
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,800
the new head coach experience.
We really don't know how he's

1106
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,600
going to handle a head coaching
experience.

1107
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,899
Would he be a CEO type of guy
that can work with the donors?

1108
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:57,300
All the stuff, the things that a
coordinator don't have to deal

1109
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:59,600
with, you know?
Will he be able to handle those

1110
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,000
types of roles and the other?
The other big one here is that

1111
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,500
he's really only been on the
coaching radar since he's been a

1112
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:10,399
coach.
Be coaching elite players at

1113
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:14,200
Georgia.
He wasn't a guy that was looking

1114
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,800
to make a big step up before
that.

1115
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,500
Now he's at Georgia.
He's coaching elite players and

1116
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:21,300
now all of a sudden he's getting
some head coaching bugs so that

1117
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:25,399
may be a little bit of a red
flag but overall Landing has a

1118
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,700
good good overall resume.
I don't like him quite as much

1119
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:33,700
as Freeman in terms of just the
other upside that he brings to

1120
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:37,200
the table.
But I do think that he would be

1121
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:40,399
a pretty okay, fit.
That ended up being the route,

1122
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,100
be went with.
Yeah, I think you'd be an okay

1123
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,800
fit kind of get us back to, you
know.

1124
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,000
The the Beamer Bud type
mentality especially on the

1125
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,300
defensive side of the ball but I
think he's a year away.

1126
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:58,700
Yeah, mean if you pull the
trigger on him now maybe the

1127
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:02,100
biggest upside is you probably
can get them a little bit on the

1128
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:05,100
cheap.
But I think there's enough read

1129
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:07,500
their where you say he needs one
more year.

1130
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:11,600
He needs a lot of these guys on
this defense to go away which is

1131
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,400
going to happen this year with
Georgia.

1132
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,600
How does he do it next year?
Because I think if they dominate

1133
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,000
like they did this year, they
lose people, their top 15

1134
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,500
defense next year, then he's
going somewhere, interesting to

1135
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:26,400
see where.
All right, Brian.

1136
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,600
We're going to stop right here
because everyone else on this

1137
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:37,900
list is a head coach somewhere.
Somewhere, but we wanted to

1138
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:44,100
bring up some names.
Just so people can get this out

1139
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:46,800
of this is the boundary Corner
podcast saying this.

1140
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:51,200
There's some people, these
people, this is not, these are

1141
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,300
absolutely not happening.
Let's start number one.

1142
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,400
Prime, shame, Beamer Shane,
Beamer Shane.

1143
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:58,800
Beamer could have happened last
year.

1144
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,500
It will not be happening this
year.

1145
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:03,300
Go ahead and write it off.
And there's, and there's several

1146
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:04,800
reasons that Shane's not
happening.

1147
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,800
Right?
Well, yeah, I mean, aside from

1148
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,300
every, every reason that was
brought up last year, we paying

1149
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:15,200
at the dam by out to get Shane
out of that contract in South

1150
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:20,800
Carolina, 17 and a half.
That alone is why it's not

1151
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,600
happening.
So number 2, Ed order on all of

1152
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,500
that is not happening.
No, it's not happening.

1153
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:32,400
Tokyo's 61 years old.
I love the guy's personality,

1154
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,900
but I do not want him as my head
coach, after what I've been

1155
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:38,100
hearing about going on and LSU
about his age.

1156
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:44,400
I think he's a damn fine coach
overall, but I don't think that

1157
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,700
what he brings to the table.
Is a good fit for Blacksburg

1158
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:53,900
right now, right now.
Now now, well, I think Ocho is

1159
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:56,600
going to land somewhere head
coaching.

1160
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,200
Probably not.
But I think he's going to go out

1161
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,200
there and do the kids because
kocho recruiting pitches and

1162
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:04,900
he's going to help some team
out.

1163
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:10,400
If I'm Hill, whoever the USC
candidate is, I'm immediately

1164
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,100
picking up cut.
You want to be the asuc and my

1165
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:16,400
recruiting coordinator.
Absolutely, absolutely.

1166
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,900
Number three.
Yeah, we love them and he is an

1167
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:23,900
icon but he's not coming back
y'all, but Foster is not coming

1168
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:28,100
out of retirement, Bud.
Foster loves the lake and

1169
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,700
doesn't want to blow up his
heart.

1170
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:38,200
So let Bud enjoy the lake, the
enjoy, the boat enjoy, coming to

1171
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,200
games, where he doesn't get
quite as worked up as he does on

1172
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,600
the sidelines and let him enjoy
it.

1173
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,400
It's not happening.
I mean it could have happened

1174
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:54,200
six years ago and I have been
110 percent fine with it it

1175
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,800
should have happened 10 years
ago.

1176
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,700
Yes you could have happened 10
years ago, I'm with that and

1177
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:02,900
even if it didn't it should
happen.

1178
01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:05,300
Six years ago, I would have been
perfectly fine with that higher.

1179
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:10,100
So unfortunately we're at a
point where that, that that has

1180
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:14,500
passed and the last one guy's is
Gary Patterson, because that

1181
01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:19,000
would not work at all.
Anyone Thinking it would is

1182
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,000
outside their damn mind.
They're outside their mind.

1183
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,800
It's again age.
Kocho and gay, Patterson, same

1184
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,400
age, 60, plus years old.
You can't fire a head coach and

1185
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,600
then hire his mentor.
He can't can't do that.

1186
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:38,400
Maybe that's why.
I didn't get the job because

1187
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,800
essentially it's kind of what
happened but now the Gary

1188
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,300
Patterson things just not
happening, you see it out there

1189
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:50,700
you kind of chuckle but bra.
On there is one guy that we did

1190
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:56,800
not put on this list and we
would absolutely love to have

1191
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,700
this guy.
Love it.

1192
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,200
Yep.
Oz not that big track records.

1193
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,200
Great.
But it's just not happening,

1194
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,300
it's not happening, and it's
Luke fickle.

1195
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:13,000
And the reason it's likely not
happening is because of the move

1196
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,800
of Cincy into the Big 12.
And I think that move is

1197
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:22,800
essentially a green light for
fickle to take as much time

1198
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,500
waiting on a blue blood program
to come calling as it takes

1199
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:32,400
through whether that's this year
or whether that's two to three

1200
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,300
years from now.
Now, after he's LED since e, 22

1201
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:38,900
straight college football
playoffs, but exactly, and

1202
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:43,000
whatever whatever it is.
Yeah, I think fickle because of

1203
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,200
that move because of the new
money that's going to be coming

1204
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,900
into that school because of that
move because of their being

1205
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:51,200
bump, he's going to get because
of that move.

1206
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,800
He doesn't need to go anywhere.
Yep, he gets, he's gets to wait

1207
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,700
till he is ready.
The fit is right 100% for him.

1208
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:04,800
And, you know, probably the
Price is Right as well, if they,

1209
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,000
if the Big 12 can stay kind of
the relevancy where it is right

1210
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,200
now and he starts running shop
there every year.

1211
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,500
Why is he ever going to leave?
I can make the playoffs every

1212
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:17,700
year, so why am I going to leave
this?

1213
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:21,900
So, but that's that list.
Now, let's start with the list

1214
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:25,000
of current sitting head,
coaches, we feel potentially

1215
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,700
have a shot and we're going to
start with wheel.

1216
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:32,200
Heat, will he lie down at UNC
Charlotte?

1217
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,300
He's younger than us.
I don't know if that's a be over

1218
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,900
on you know, say what you will
but let's start this.

1219
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:43,200
Everything says, is that he can
sell the hell out of a program.

1220
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,500
Everything you read, you hear
people talk about them, the guy

1221
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:50,000
knows how to sell a program.
He's obviously, UNCC.

1222
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,600
So he is clearly in Virginia
Tech's recruiting footprint, so

1223
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,500
he probably has begin building
relationships inside the state

1224
01:15:57,500 --> 01:16:01,200
of Virginia, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Georgia.

1225
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,000
I know South Carolina for a
fact, had a family member go to

1226
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,500
one of his camps a couple
summers ago.

1227
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:11,900
There you go.
He did show recruiting prowess

1228
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:16,600
at the FCS level.
So, obviously somewhat of a good

1229
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:22,700
salesman, the you of our grad
thing, we put it on here as a

1230
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:25,600
pro because at least if you're
a, you of our grad, you've been

1231
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,100
in the state and you sow know,
the hierarchy, you know, the lay

1232
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,900
of the land, you know how the
college high school ranks,

1233
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:34,700
operate to some degree.
And you probably know the

1234
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:36,800
importance of Virginia Tech
football to people.

1235
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:39,000
Yep.
Go to you of are you probably

1236
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,100
dealing with?
Body whose family is a hokey and

1237
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:44,600
lose their minds more than
likely at least one coach on

1238
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:51,300
that staff, is either a former
hokey or has ties to the program

1239
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:52,500
in some way.
Yeah.

1240
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:56,000
And then, Brian you threw this
on here because this wasn't on

1241
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:03,000
here the other day Club lit.
A, he likes to have a fun locker

1242
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,100
room.
Yeah, there are no silent

1243
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:08,000
dinners there.
There's no quiet.

1244
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,700
Getting ready for a game.
He lets the kids hang loose

1245
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:16,100
because I think a, he's a young
enough guy because he's 34, I

1246
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:20,600
believe it's still in the back
of his mind, probably his

1247
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,100
college days, and the looser,
you are, the less you think

1248
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:29,900
about.
So there the pros, Shout out

1249
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:32,200
club lit.
You know who you are out there?

1250
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,200
Let's go with the cons.
Brian, what are you saying?

1251
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,600
I mean, the biggest one, you
never coached at a power five

1252
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,900
school at any level position
anything.

1253
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:51,300
He below. 500 as a head coach.
Now, I will throw out there that

1254
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:55,600
his first year at Austin Peay
brings this metric down

1255
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,300
significantly.
But overall is a head coach.

1256
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:04,400
He is, he is well below 500 so
that's something that could be a

1257
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,600
red flag for a lot of folks.
Even He's had some success at a

1258
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:14,100
place like UNC Charlotte, that
hasn't seen a ton of it, so

1259
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:18,500
that's one thing to look at and
really he was a we've got a

1260
01:18:18,508 --> 01:18:22,700
limited sample size of him as a
FPS head coach at this point.

1261
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,700
So we're not sure you know, is
what he's been doing the early

1262
01:18:27,700 --> 01:18:31,800
returns something that will
Trend over a five-year span or

1263
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,800
is that something that, you
know, the Fuente pump that we

1264
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,100
saw in, 18 and 17 that will
Peter off.

1265
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:44,100
Yeah.
And, you know, the UNC Charlotte

1266
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:47,500
is an upstart program, you know,
it's one of those.

1267
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:52,500
You to FBS.
So him getting that job was

1268
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,800
crazy in the first place and he
said, middle and success.

1269
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,900
There he did go to a bowl game
as first-year had a great

1270
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:06,100
turnaround at Austin Peay and
what you here again about this

1271
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:09,600
guy is, if you want to get
excitement going and getting

1272
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,300
people to pay, it seems like he
is that type.

1273
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:15,800
He is a see, he's never coached
a P5, not not a lot of

1274
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,700
positions.
I know you mentioned his Have

1275
01:19:18,700 --> 01:19:23,900
got it up here his Chattanooga
when he was there for six years,

1276
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:30,000
it's just labeled assistant that
even guys who coach it that

1277
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,200
level.
Normally if you go look up

1278
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,900
something out there on them.
It gives a little more detail

1279
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:42,100
but just an assistant there you
know it did say does some

1280
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:45,700
quarterback coaching wide
receiver coaching recruiting

1281
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:47,500
coordinator passing game
coordinator.

1282
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,000
So it literally sounds like if
they had a position to be

1283
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,900
filled, they just gave it to
him.

1284
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,900
Which is, I don't know if that's
good or bad.

1285
01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:03,200
So, I mean, I could I could deal
with Healy.

1286
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,500
I would worry about the staff,
though, because he doesn't have

1287
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:12,100
that many connections.
I think there would be money for

1288
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:15,000
the staff.
I really do because I don't

1289
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,600
know.
Yeah, I don't think he would

1290
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,700
want to five million dollars?
No, no.

1291
01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:24,400
He's more of a probably to meal
or less would get it done for

1292
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:31,200
him that opens up some more for
your assistant coach salary

1293
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,500
pool.
It run up the numbers later as

1294
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,100
Reach For Excellence, reaches
its peak and when you get some

1295
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,600
more room to have some
flexibility there, so there's

1296
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,100
some options there.
If you get Healy in as your head

1297
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:47,500
coach, especially if he's able
to sell the program here, like

1298
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:53,000
he's been able to do elsewhere.
But it's a lot of risk involved

1299
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,400
there.
You don't know exactly what

1300
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,200
you're getting is, a head coach
because of the limit sample size

1301
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,100
and you don't know how that
success or at least middling

1302
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:04,100
success will translate to power
5.

1303
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:07,600
All right.
Ian Brown, who you got next?

1304
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:12,100
Next up, this one's going to be
fun to talk about.

1305
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,900
It's David, Claussen head coach
Wake Forest.

1306
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,900
You know, we got some pros here
that will talk about.

1307
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:25,700
We got some cons for the pros.
It's a guy that's been really

1308
01:21:25,700 --> 01:21:28,900
successful at every stop, even
if he hasn't necessarily Blown

1309
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:31,600
Away In The Wind, the win-loss
record, he's definitely been

1310
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,200
successful.
And he is a Player Development

1311
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,000
Guru.
If you if you want a guy that

1312
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,500
can take your three star and
turn them into all-conference

1313
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:44,900
players, he's got the ability to
do that.

1314
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:49,000
Got connections to Virginia
recruiting from his time at

1315
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,300
Richmond.
From his current time.

1316
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:58,100
At Wake Forest, he is a mi
kyung, High floor, type higher

1317
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:11,100
u.s. trying now. you know, it's
a guy that You know, you

1318
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:14,200
probably need the right guys
around him too, but he's not,

1319
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,700
he's never going to be a guy
that will go out there and get U

1320
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:20,700
sub 500 records in back-to-back
Seasons.

1321
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:23,700
He may not get you to the
promised land though unless a

1322
01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:27,200
lot of things go as way.
He understands complementary

1323
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:31,400
football, a lot of times when
you see the one side of the

1324
01:22:31,407 --> 01:22:34,700
ball, go down the other side.
Can tries to pick it up.

1325
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:42,500
That didn't happen this past
weekend, but And it's a guy with

1326
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:45,600
the right offense in the right,
right?

1327
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,500
Flow of the game, can score
bunch of points and get the

1328
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:52,700
right pieces in place there.
But there are some cons to this

1329
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:56,200
higher Curtis what you got.
Well the biggest con is high,

1330
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,000
he's never been at a high
priority on.

1331
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:04,700
He's only been at 1/2 pry
profile program in his long

1332
01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:06,900
tenured coach in here and that
was one years in OC at

1333
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:09,800
Tennessee.
He never had any Vacations,

1334
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,600
there's no expectations at U of
R.

1335
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:16,000
There was none in Bowling Green,
there's none at Wake Forest.

1336
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:21,600
So immediately you walk in and
you sit here at Wake Forest if

1337
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,800
they go seven and five for the
next decade and make a bowl at

1338
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:31,000
programs happier and hell.
They are the other, the other

1339
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:36,300
big things is as much success as
he's had, we're winning and

1340
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,000
going to bowls.
He's never really seen a

1341
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,700
recruiting on the currently.
They're sitting 59th, I think

1342
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:44,200
maybe 49th and I looked at that
wrong in 24/7.

1343
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:48,100
So usually you see a guy, get
tenured and win some games.

1344
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,100
It's you're going to start
picking off a four star here and

1345
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:57,100
there he hasn't.
And is that just, you know, way

1346
01:23:57,100 --> 01:24:00,300
cuz they is a smaller school,
it's a private school.

1347
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:03,200
It's more difficult to get into.
Could that be it?

1348
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,300
Or it could it be?
He just doesn't know how to

1349
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:13,200
pitch anybody, that worries me.
Now the last one here is he's

1350
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,100
never really used the portal.
He redshirts everybody and at

1351
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:21,300
wait there's not Damon image and
likeness situations to start

1352
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:24,400
dealing with that.
I think can be dealt with find

1353
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:30,000
the right compliance officers,
but the one of not a lot of

1354
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,400
portal.
We are in an era where you have

1355
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,900
to use the world, you have to,
because whoever comes in here

1356
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:42,800
next year, you're probably
looking at portal quarterback.

1357
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:48,800
Probably some portal defensive
lineman 22 portal quarterback.

1358
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:55,600
Okay, and this is, this is my
thing.

1359
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:02,400
I think a Dave Clawson with what
he does.

1360
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:08,200
I think if he went to a Florida
and or LSU, he could potentially

1361
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,700
have better success.
They recruit themselves and it's

1362
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:16,200
easy to just go get to Ace
recruiters and say here, 750,000

1363
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,900
dollars, go recruit when we get
close to closing time, I'll come

1364
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:22,500
in and have a conversation with
you, by my side to close the

1365
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:29,900
deal on the kid.
My deal with Claussen is that I

1366
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:34,300
just don't think he is the type
of guy that can relate to

1367
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,300
Virginia talent that we need to
bring in the foreign 5 Star kids

1368
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:42,700
in the state.
I don't think that that's a good

1369
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:45,800
fit for him.
I think that's where that's

1370
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,800
where that's where it's a deal
breaker for me.

1371
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,900
I mean a lot of ways, he has
less personality than Fuente

1372
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:02,400
times and I I get that he has
more of a grasp on how to

1373
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,400
recruit the area than Fuente
did, but if that's not turning

1374
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,000
into recruiting wins then it
doesn't really matter that

1375
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,100
you've got a better grasp.
So I just I just I don't think

1376
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,200
he's the he's not a very good
juice candidate.

1377
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,300
He doesn't bring the juice and
he's in his mid-50s.

1378
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,800
Yeah.
So and it's not just because

1379
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,000
he's older, I don't whether he
was old young and different.

1380
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,000
His personality is not, he's not
a juice, the locker room, he's

1381
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,900
not He doesn't juice the
program.

1382
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,300
Nobody's getting excited that we
got Dave Clawson, except maybe a

1383
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,900
bunch of guys that are in their
60s that are like.

1384
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:42,000
All right, well, we're at least
win seven games every year, we

1385
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,700
don't want that.
Hey Brian.

1386
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,300
Let's talk about the next guy
here.

1387
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,900
Jamie Chadwell head.
Coach Coastal Carolina.

1388
01:26:53,900 --> 01:27:02,200
What's our Pros on him?
So, Jamie Chadwell for the pros.

1389
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:06,200
He's won everywhere.
He's been He hasn't been a lot

1390
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,600
of places but he's won
everywhere.

1391
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,300
He's seen success in a difficult
G5 conference.

1392
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:14,900
So that's something to talk
about there.

1393
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,200
He's got an offensive Focus,
great offensive numbers.

1394
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,200
I think we need probably going
to still need some good

1395
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,800
offensive numbers because I
think we will be able to bring

1396
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,600
in a defensive guy.
It'll be interesting to see how

1397
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,100
we, how we recruit for offense,
especially the way our roster is

1398
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,300
built right now we're going to
need somebody that can focus on

1399
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:36,300
that to get.
That built back up.

1400
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,800
So that's a positive in my mind.
He's got Regional recruiting

1401
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,500
ties.
He's been recruiting the the

1402
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:48,100
Mid-Atlantic for a while now.
And he was a near unanimous

1403
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:52,300
coach of the year in 2020.
Pretty much every publication,

1404
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,600
that offers that type of award
named Jamie Chadwell coach of

1405
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,100
the year.
But Curtis, there's some Cons

1406
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:04,600
with this with this higher,
which you got for me quite a few

1407
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,700
cons and what I'm going to add
here at the end, we didn't talk

1408
01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:09,600
about but having a conversation
with somebody over the weekend

1409
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:10,800
and I'll give a shout out when
we get there.

1410
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,400
First of all, similar to will
Healey no power 5.

1411
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,400
Experience at all.
None, he's been at North

1412
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,300
Greenville.
Delta State, Charleston,

1413
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:25,400
Southern and college.
Excuse me, Coastal Carolina, not

1414
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,400
College of Charleston.
That would be hilarious.

1415
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,800
So none.
Next limited, sample size is a

1416
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,100
head coach at G5 Coastal
Carolina, just recently, flipped

1417
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:42,700
over.
So, not a lot of experience

1418
01:28:42,700 --> 01:28:44,600
there.
A lot of experience elsewhere.

1419
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:49,800
His best season was the coach
season, a very weird funky

1420
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,500
season.
They only lost one game that

1421
01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:59,900
year and if I can go back and
recall, I think that was who

1422
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:03,000
they lose that game to give me a
melona effort this up.

1423
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,000
The only game they lost was to
Liberty in a bowl.

1424
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,900
So, you know, even that year,
best living the best Liberty

1425
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:17,400
team ever, best little buddy
team ever.

1426
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,400
Yes, we know all about that the
other piece is because of

1427
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,400
similar to Healy, and I
mentioned it before he, bringing

1428
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,200
the type of Staff, we need to
win, can you bring in the light

1429
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,000
recruiters the right
coordinators?

1430
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:35,000
Would not having that experience
with a lot of connections, have

1431
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,200
bigger programs getting a sell
them to come here.

1432
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,400
The other thing I'm going to put
it as a again, as a con problem,

1433
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:49,000
with our boy delft over the
weekend, It is kind of a

1434
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,200
gimmicky, he was trying to
compare to Georgia Tech.

1435
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,600
It's not Georgia Tech because
they throw the ball 20 plus

1436
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,100
times a game.
But if you look at it, it is a

1437
01:29:58,108 --> 01:30:00,100
gimmicky offense.
It's essentially a shotgun

1438
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:03,800
triple option with with passing.
Yep.

1439
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:13,900
And You know that worries me
essentially if you don't have

1440
01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:17,500
the right trigger man, can it
run exactly?

1441
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:19,700
Now he's had a yet a really good
trigger man.

1442
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:23,800
This year again, they still
average more but the question

1443
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,000
would be once you get I think
delft is making a point.

1444
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,300
Is once people get it on tape.
Does it still work?

1445
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,500
Try to say what the Fuente
offense that people sold it out?

1446
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:38,500
Know the one day off.
Sense to me, it's still not

1447
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,100
completely figured out.
Because even as bad as offensive

1448
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:45,800
coordinator, as cornelison is
there are times like, you know,

1449
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:50,500
when we can get 400 yards of
total offense, And his play

1450
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:57,900
calls are shit.
So I mean if we hire Chadwell I

1451
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:00,700
would be said they're critical
of the staff, more than anything

1452
01:31:00,700 --> 01:31:04,000
sound similar to Healy.
Okay.

1453
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,000
Yeah, the only thing I had
actually give Healy potential

1454
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:13,800
not over Chadwell just because I
could see Healy selling the

1455
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,800
program better than Chad.
Well, even though I think

1456
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,700
Chadwell might be the better X's
and O's guy, I see Chad, well,

1457
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:28,600
it's kind of went a 2.0 in a lot
of ways so that that to me is,

1458
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:30,600
is kind of what I would stay
away from.

1459
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,100
I feel like you might have the
same Same type of outcome.

1460
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:38,300
If you go Chadwell that you had
with one day you might see a

1461
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:42,300
bump initially but over time
you'd see it kind of Peter out.

1462
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,500
All right, this is essentially
now we're at our top three.

1463
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:53,200
And I think the next guy is
probably solid to where the two

1464
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:58,100
top guys are 1A and 1B, but
let's go.

1465
01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:01,500
Let's go.
Tom Herman, Tom Herman former

1466
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:05,900
Texas in Houston coach currently
is a bear's offensive analyst

1467
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,800
after seeing what they did today
against the Ravens.

1468
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,100
This might hurt his case, but we
digress.

1469
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,600
What do you see in this Pros for
Tommy Herman?

1470
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,300
The first one, I'll throw this
out there.

1471
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,100
We wanted him six years ago and
couldn't quite get it done.

1472
01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:28,600
That's a big one.
He is the best coach not named

1473
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,800
Mack Brown since 1986.
I've been four other coaches.

1474
01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:38,300
He's the only one to get them
somewhat back into a level of

1475
01:32:38,300 --> 01:32:42,200
relevancy.
Since Mack Brown left, and Mack

1476
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,000
Brown kind of left in a
inauspicious way there in terms

1477
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:51,900
of where the program was left.
So, Did pretty good.

1478
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:54,100
All things considering
especially the dumpster fire

1479
01:32:54,100 --> 01:33:01,500
that he inherited from Charlie.
So you know that's one thing to

1480
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:06,300
put it, put in his in his cap
there he was 22 and 4 at

1481
01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:08,600
Houston.
Including a Peach Bowl victory.

1482
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:12,400
He won every Bowl.
He played in while he was at

1483
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:17,800
Texas or he coached in a Texas,
he was 70% win percentage as a

1484
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,400
head coach.
And he was the offensive

1485
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,000
coordinator and quarterback
coach for a national title team

1486
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,600
at Ohio State.
Pretty good resume.

1487
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:32,700
Their big stops head coaching
experience of the power 5 level.

1488
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,900
Just a lot of lot of boxes
checked with, with Tom Herman

1489
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:39,400
here.
And overall, I mean, we didn't

1490
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,600
have it listed here but good
recruiting background as well.

1491
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:46,300
Yeah.
Good recruiting background on

1492
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:49,400
the cons are kind of as follows
though and I've got a few and

1493
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,200
I'm going to flip one more Pro
on here.

1494
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,400
He did take a year off
Collegiate football.

1495
01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:59,100
He went to the NFL level, I
think some people expected him

1496
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:01,300
to land somewhere at some
school.

1497
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:06,700
Maybe it's savings or back at
Ohio State, but he didn't, which

1498
01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:12,500
was very telling to me really no
major ties to recruiting in our

1499
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:17,100
region.
I see that as a negative because

1500
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:21,500
he's got to start understanding
the mindset because he is a

1501
01:34:21,508 --> 01:34:25,100
state of Texas coach.
Yeah, we got his background

1502
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:28,200
stuff from, but I think when you
have a guy who's been at bigger

1503
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,800
programs, it's a lot easier.
I think he would walk in and

1504
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,800
say, Here's my three Virginia,
guys.

1505
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,900
Here's my three guys deeper down
south.

1506
01:34:37,900 --> 01:34:40,000
Here's my three guys from or up
West.

1507
01:34:40,500 --> 01:34:44,900
I'm going to listen to them.
And what they tell me about how

1508
01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:47,000
I need to approach each section
of the country.

1509
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,300
I think it's why he's had
success.

1510
01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:54,600
Now my other piece Pro, This guy
got fired after going seven and

1511
01:34:54,608 --> 01:34:59,100
three last year.
His three losses was an overtime

1512
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:04,800
loss to the Sooners, in the
shootout, hip and then two

1513
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:09,100
losses by Less Than 3 points.
And they fired him.

1514
01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:13,600
Clearly he irritated some big
booster down there after the

1515
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:20,200
bulb, my opinion, but I like
Herman.

1516
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:23,200
Um, I think Herman could put a
good staff together.

1517
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,900
I think guys would work for
Herman because they know again.

1518
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:31,700
70% winning, you went 70 percent
clip, you know, roughly every

1519
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:34,100
three or four years.
That's that's ten wins a year,

1520
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,000
dip.
And I felt like the, the really

1521
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,500
only - that I think moves the
needle for me is that he is a

1522
01:35:40,508 --> 01:35:44,800
Texas region guy.
How will he adjust to that in

1523
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,800
the Mid-Atlantic?
Will he make that adjustment?

1524
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,900
And I think he can but that's
really the only I think red flag

1525
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:55,400
for me that really matters
because that's the one that's

1526
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:59,400
going to be the most important
to kind of flip in the other

1527
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,200
direction.
All right, Brian.

1528
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,300
So we got to the top of the
mountain and we have a one a and

1529
01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:06,500
one B.
We're going to start with the

1530
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:11,100
one be on.
Let's talk about the head coach

1531
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,200
down at louisiana-lafayette
Billy Napier.

1532
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:19,000
Yep, a lot of Pros here.
Obviously we got to experience

1533
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,200
as a head coach solid program
that he's put together down at

1534
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,100
Lafayette.
Kind of built that back up real

1535
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:29,300
quick.
When and some big-time games

1536
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,800
big-time program experience
since he's been coaching.

1537
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,900
So he's had some stops, a big,
big programs.

1538
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:40,300
Obviously, we talked about it.
We're talking about Alabama as

1539
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:45,000
being the big one there and
Speaking of Alabama, he is a

1540
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:49,400
disciple of the Saban model if
you did not read the athletic

1541
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:54,200
article on that.
It's wild like literally 280 and

1542
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:57,700
pretty great.
Every aspect of the saving model

1543
01:36:57,700 --> 01:37:00,900
gets put into place at
Lafayette.

1544
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:06,500
He runs that program like a
power five program and he

1545
01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:09,600
recruits the state well despite
just being a G5 program.

1546
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,600
So that's a big thing that
they're pulling in a couple you

1547
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,700
know French Our star players for
Star players, they're doing,

1548
01:37:16,700 --> 01:37:19,300
they're doing some things down
there, that most G5 programs

1549
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:24,500
don't do.
Any took over, you know, solid

1550
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:29,000
Raging Raging Cajun program and
made you know, that Team Elite.

1551
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:35,400
They're really running the the
good old Sun Belt now so and he

1552
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:40,800
has a great recruiting profile
including is one painful.

1553
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,400
One for every hokey thing
because the Taj Taj Boyd's on

1554
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,300
there.
Yeah, the downfall.

1555
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,300
Yeah.
So he was at Clemson back in the

1556
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:57,900
late 2000s and recruited Tajh,
Boyd.

1557
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:03,600
And as some other big time names
from when he was at Alabama,

1558
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,800
including Jerry Judy and a
couple other guys.

1559
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,000
So yeah, he's got a who's who of
recruiting so recruiting would

1560
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:15,100
take a big bump if we were able
to make Make that that, that

1561
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:17,200
pull work.
But what are some of those cons

1562
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,300
there, buddy?
Well, it's a symbol to the point

1563
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:24,400
a situation six years ago, it's
another G5 darling, he's doing

1564
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:30,700
great things at the G5 level.
He's you know, he's double digit

1565
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:33,900
wins for second season down in
Louisiana Lafayette.

1566
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,700
Reports that he's been offered
and he's passed on other jobs on

1567
01:38:39,700 --> 01:38:42,800
the Auburn and South Carolina
jobs are kind of the first two

1568
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,700
that kind of open your eyes.
There's more money there.

1569
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:52,600
There's definitely definitely,
you know, especially Auburn lots

1570
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,500
easier to recruit down there
much easier to recruit and it

1571
01:38:55,500 --> 01:39:00,000
all over.
So, it's why didn't he take

1572
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,000
those jobs is something he's
truly trying to find that

1573
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:06,100
perfect fit.
And could we be it?

1574
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,400
And he really has no establish
DMV test.

1575
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,600
He got Boyd back 10 years ago
but there's, there's not a lot

1576
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,100
here.
He was born in Cookeville,

1577
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:17,100
Tennessee.
He grew up in the northern part

1578
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:19,100
of Georgia.
He's only about five hours from

1579
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:20,800
Blacksburg from where he grew
up.

1580
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:27,400
So it's one of those things.
He's not extremely, did not grow

1581
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:31,100
up extremely far from
Blacksburg, but definitely a

1582
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:38,300
ways and the G5 darling thing we
put on there.

1583
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:42,500
It is, it happens, every time.
It happened to Herman and

1584
01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:47,300
happened to Fuente, and they'll
be more but to what Brian said,

1585
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:54,000
in the pros category Napier was
at Clemson. 06 07 08 09.

1586
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:58,300
He got let go, I believe in 10.
I think I had his stuff up here.

1587
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:02,400
Dabo let him go.
And that's one of those things

1588
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:08,700
to where he was not dabo's guy.
He was originally told me about

1589
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:11,700
this guy.
He was there through 10 so we

1590
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:14,200
got fired at the end of 10th
when he brought on Chad Morris.

1591
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:19,400
But he had that stop five years
of the program like Clemson even

1592
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,400
in the mid-2000s, when they were
not the best team, then Florida

1593
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:28,100
State were still, the closest
SEC type programs in the ACC.

1594
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:31,700
So, is there five years?
Tight ends running game

1595
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:36,400
coordinator 0c n QB, coach.
He went to Alabama's an analyst,

1596
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,000
he's been an associate head
coach of Colorado, State under

1597
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,400
mcilwain.
And then he went to Alabama 13

1598
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,900
14 15 16 and you Alabama
recruits itself but you still

1599
01:40:46,900 --> 01:40:51,200
have to go in there and do the
work and it's impressive from

1600
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:55,100
there.
He did one student in 2017 is an

1601
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:59,300
OC and then he's been at
louisiana-lafayette since then.

1602
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,000
I think he gets the bigger
picture and I think having that

1603
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:10,000
much time at those big programs
That's the biggest difference.

1604
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:12,100
People are going to come and say
it to us Brown.

1605
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:16,300
Well we went to is with
Patterson at TCU, what was TCU

1606
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:19,300
during the time, he was there.
What type of program?

1607
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,700
Do you have?
They might have been in a lychee

1608
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:30,100
path but it was a G5 program.
DC was kind of what, you know,

1609
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,400
not quite what since he is baby.
What U CF was a few years back.

1610
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:37,500
Yeah, but it's still it's
different.

1611
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:41,600
It's who you're across the field
from every week is different.

1612
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,400
Even with they pierced in an
Arizona stayed out in the

1613
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,000
Pac-12.
It's different across the field.

1614
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:52,200
It's more Talent.
Then coaching at ECU and the

1615
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,600
early part of the 2010s.
That's my big thing with him.

1616
01:41:57,900 --> 01:42:00,200
Yeah.
And like I said, the, the thing

1617
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:04,100
that where he runs that program,
like a power 5 is the thing that

1618
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:07,200
really impresses me.
And I think that's that carries

1619
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:11,400
over immediately, because he's
not having to really change a

1620
01:42:11,407 --> 01:42:13,300
whole lot of his day-to-day
operations.

1621
01:42:13,300 --> 01:42:15,900
He's selling the program.
Like a power five program.

1622
01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:20,200
He is fundamentally setting up,
practice and lifting and

1623
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,600
Workouts of all that stuff.
Like it's a power five program.

1624
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:28,200
He's planning out his month day
and week like it's a powerful

1625
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,400
program, he's ready to take that
step.

1626
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:36,400
So the question is are we going
to make it make an offer for him

1627
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,500
to do that?
And is he going to accept that

1628
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:41,700
offer?
Because more than likely he's

1629
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:46,400
going to have at least some of
those other programs at our

1630
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,500
level calling if not the LSU's
and Florida's.

1631
01:42:50,300 --> 01:42:54,100
It's very, very true.
Alright, well, let's flip over.

1632
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:58,300
Let's get our one egg and Brian,
let's go back and forth with the

1633
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:00,200
pros in the column.
Because this is our guy.

1634
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,100
We actually again we have been
sitting at the table and this is

1635
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:06,700
our guy.
He might not be everybody's one

1636
01:43:06,700 --> 01:43:09,700
but he's our one.
Yep Charles Huff.

1637
01:43:10,300 --> 01:43:16,500
It is the Marshal head coach and
Brian let's kind of expunged

1638
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,900
upon his prose and then we'll
talk about the cons.

1639
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:26,800
He grew up in the DMV.
Yep, Marilyn Guy, Maryland guy.

1640
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:34,900
So he grew up in it.
Yeah, you have a feeling that he

1641
01:43:34,900 --> 01:43:37,900
understands.
Finally Maryland probably

1642
01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:40,100
understands Virginia, he grew up
in it.

1643
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:44,600
Yeah not only grew up in it but
went to college at Hampton in

1644
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,600
the 757 actually.
While he was there blocked for

1645
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,300
the same running back that I
blocked for in high school

1646
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:55,300
Alonzo.
Coleman shout-out, Halifax

1647
01:43:55,300 --> 01:44:00,900
County Hall of Famer Alonzo
Coleman in the Charles Charles

1648
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:03,200
up with us.
As helpful as a center for

1649
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,500
Hampton, when he was there in
the early 2000s.

1650
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:10,300
Oh, some of the better Hamptons
squads as well.

1651
01:44:10,300 --> 01:44:14,100
I know Alonzo broke some records
while he was running back there.

1652
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:18,700
So so Huff was put Paving the
way for Alonzo to break records

1653
01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:20,900
to hand-painted in the
mid-2000s.

1654
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:26,900
So from the 757 went to Hampton,
I don't think they would be even

1655
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,400
even coming from the DMV going
down in there.

1656
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:33,000
I got a feeling he understands
the culture down. 275 and The

1657
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:38,700
Importance of Being a of that
area to recruiting.

1658
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:43,200
Absolutely.
So this is a biggie and I don't

1659
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:48,000
give a damn where he was at.
He is always crushed Virginia

1660
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,600
recruiting And everywhere else,
but he's really done a damn good

1661
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:56,300
job in Virginia especially this
time at Penn State.

1662
01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:59,500
And I know people are going to
say, well, he was at Penn State.

1663
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,500
It's once again, he had the
program.

1664
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:10,000
He still had to sell it.
He likely understands everything

1665
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,900
in high school.
I'm like, Justin Fuente, Brian.

1666
01:45:14,300 --> 01:45:17,000
I got a feeling he could walk
into your buddy down at Oscar

1667
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,500
Smith, I bet he already knows
him.

1668
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:23,000
Yeah, I bet.
So I bet he knows Lauren

1669
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,200
Johnson, I bet he knows some of
the better coaches in Northern.

1670
01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:31,300
It would not be a, I need to
learn what these people do and

1671
01:45:31,300 --> 01:45:33,900
who they are.
It would be so, it's Charles.

1672
01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:36,200
Yeah.
It's, uh, he knows it.

1673
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,000
He already knows the lay of the
land.

1674
01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:42,400
He's a guy that they were
probably familiar with from Penn

1675
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,600
State.
He's recruited some from, for

1676
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,600
Alabama, when he was down there,
he's obviously that's part of

1677
01:45:47,608 --> 01:45:52,600
his footprint Marshall.
Now, They got the guy can just

1678
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:56,300
flat-out recruit.
I mean, you know, we can run

1679
01:45:56,300 --> 01:45:58,900
down the list of the guys, he
signed from Virginia, while he

1680
01:45:58,900 --> 01:46:01,700
was at Penn State, but it speaks
for itself.

1681
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:09,100
I mean assigned to of the best
running backs that one of the

1682
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:12,200
better running backs that
Virginia has had in a while.

1683
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,200
And then he also signed say,
Quan Berkeley while it was

1684
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:19,200
there.
So Berkeley in Micah, right.

1685
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:24,100
Mike Parsons, yep.
And Ricky Slade, really know

1686
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,100
that.
Didn't, that didn't work out the

1687
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:29,100
way anybody wanted it to but
kind of didn't.

1688
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:31,200
All right.
Well, let's talk about this next

1689
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:32,600
Brian.
Let's just kind of get away from

1690
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,800
recruiting and essentially so
one reason, he's 18 grew up in

1691
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,200
the area, went to college in the
area has recruited the area has

1692
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:45,500
recruited Virginia big He's been
an assistant head coach for,

1693
01:46:45,500 --> 01:46:49,500
Nick Saban amongst others who
have been assistant coaches.

1694
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:52,000
I'll give you two names.
Mario crystal ball and Kirby

1695
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:57,800
Smart.
We're in a hc4 Saban, you go far

1696
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:02,000
if you're younger coach, it
matters it does.

1697
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:06,400
And in a lot of people say,
well, that's just a title of

1698
01:47:06,407 --> 01:47:08,200
just means he's second in
command.

1699
01:47:09,900 --> 01:47:13,800
Yes, Nick Saban has tapped you
to be his second in command when

1700
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:17,200
he's got to go over here on a
recruiting trip but there still

1701
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:19,100
needs to be practiced that day
or next.

1702
01:47:19,100 --> 01:47:23,800
Got to do this, for some reason,
you're in charge for the day,

1703
01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:29,300
that's a lot.
Especially saving Nate exactly

1704
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:31,100
completely screwed on up in the
head.

1705
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:39,000
Yeah, that's a big one for me
and, you know, the other one

1706
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,000
he's been at big-time program
since 2014, we already talked

1707
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,100
about the facades of Penn State
and Alabama.

1708
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:50,700
You definitely glean some of the
You know, tips of the trade,

1709
01:47:50,700 --> 01:47:53,600
some of the what it takes to win
at those power five stars by

1710
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:58,300
having those type of stops.
And, you know, we're seeing are

1711
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:01,000
already at Marshall with some of
the way he's interacting on

1712
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:05,800
social media, some of the, the
public events we've seen, he's a

1713
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:10,900
CEO type coach, he can sell a
program, he can sell recruiting

1714
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:15,200
to the players, he knows how to
make his program, shine out in

1715
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,900
the best way possible.
It's very, very true, man.

1716
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,600
I mean you see imposed he
basically tweets every week who

1717
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:24,700
his players of the week or win
or lose?

1718
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,100
I know I saw a picture of him.
He was at some local

1719
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:29,500
establishment in Huntington,
maybe where he has breakfast or

1720
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:32,100
lunch constantly taking a
picture with the owner.

1721
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:38,800
And you see that and understand
you just feel like he would be

1722
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,900
that engagement guy.
I feel like it's funny as if I

1723
01:48:42,907 --> 01:48:46,100
don't know if he drinks or not.
Do you feel like the first week?

1724
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:48,000
He's there.
Like he would somehow make it to

1725
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,600
tots and like take a picture
with the owner having a rail.

1726
01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:58,100
He definitely have a rail at
tots and I mean he's like he

1727
01:48:58,100 --> 01:49:01,400
just seems like the type of
coach that players, like, to

1728
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:06,100
play for Community can be proud.
Proud of, and donors would be

1729
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:08,700
willing to invest in.
And I mean, that's, that's the

1730
01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:13,700
three big things that you really
want from your head coach now

1731
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:16,300
before, and we're talking off
the feet, obviously wins and

1732
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:19,400
losses matter.
But in terms of off the field,

1733
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:23,300
appeal to the players appealed,
the community appeal to the

1734
01:49:23,300 --> 01:49:24,700
donors.
Yep.

1735
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:29,600
All right, there are some cons
and the first one is the lack of

1736
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,400
head coach experience.
She's only been a head coach one

1737
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:32,900
year.
Yep.

1738
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,900
They went seven and for their
bowl eligible.

1739
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,400
They got one more game.
It'll be a tough one, but they

1740
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,200
probably shouldn't.
They're probably favored in that

1741
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,400
game.
I haven't looked at the line

1742
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:45,500
yet, but they're probably going
to be favored in that game.

1743
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:52,200
They are going to be favored in
that game so you can be 8 and 4

1744
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,100
as a head coach in his first
year.

1745
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,800
And that's not a bad program,
but they did.

1746
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,200
I mean, when you completely flip
your coaching staff, I think,

1747
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:04,200
especially as good as doc, was
there.

1748
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:09,300
That's, that's where I am.
Like, when I see, it's a lack of

1749
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:14,900
that sucks.
They let go, they just didn't

1750
01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:17,300
re-sign Doc.
Holliday, he had a damn good

1751
01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:21,000
season last year.
You imagine walking in and

1752
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:28,700
saying go match that he has, he
has now obviously the other one,

1753
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:30,900
no P5, head coaching experience
there.

1754
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:33,800
I think everybody on this list
with the exception of Tom

1755
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:37,000
Herman, Has no P5 coaching
experience.

1756
01:50:38,300 --> 01:50:39,700
Yep, not head coaching
experience.

1757
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,900
And it's and that's going to be,
that's going to be hard.

1758
01:50:41,900 --> 01:50:45,500
Just because our program is not
at a point right now, where we

1759
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:50,500
can.
I mean, I sorry, Tom Herman and

1760
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,200
Dave Clawson will be the other
one.

1761
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,300
Well, yeah, so those would be
the two.

1762
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,700
Yeah, most people do.
That's that's the problem.

1763
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:05,000
But I think that's the problem
with our program right now is

1764
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:09,500
that we're kind of in that
middling area where we can hire.

1765
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:15,800
The up-and-coming P5 coaches
that are making some noise.

1766
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:17,900
We're not quite at that level.
Those guys are going to the Blue

1767
01:51:17,900 --> 01:51:20,200
Bloods.
They already had success in the

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01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:22,800
power 5 level they're getting
looks at.

1769
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,500
You know now we got LSU open
USC, open Florida.

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01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:35,300
Open you got Washington open.
Now the upside is that we're

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01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:37,900
likely not in a bunch of
competition for whoever gets

1772
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:42,500
hired at Washington.
We're not in We're in a little

1773
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:46,300
competition with TCU little.
Yeah.

1774
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:52,100
Florida and LSU are probably
going to be targeting whoever

1775
01:51:52,100 --> 01:51:55,600
our top one or two candidates
are they are also targeting them

1776
01:51:55,700 --> 01:51:58,000
there at least on their list.
They may not be at the top of

1777
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,700
their list but they are on their
own these Woods.

1778
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,400
Absolutely.
Alright last piece is he has

1779
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,700
really no 0 C or D c-- coaching
experience.

1780
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:09,600
He did do some special teams
coordinator and Run game

1781
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:14,100
coordinating.
Back to his CEO Mantra in.

1782
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:16,800
Somebody said, is that could
that be good or bad?

1783
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:19,000
Well, what type of Coach are you
looking for?

1784
01:52:21,700 --> 01:52:25,700
I think with his connections to
Big programs and the waves

1785
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:29,200
traveled and is regional ties,
you would have getting getting a

1786
01:52:29,208 --> 01:52:32,600
staff that can handle the o.c.
and DC duties and not

1787
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:36,300
necessarily needing a ton of
daily day-to-day impact from

1788
01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:39,700
your head coach.
On those areas is probably not a

1789
01:52:39,700 --> 01:52:41,200
big deal.
Yeah.

1790
01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:45,400
So there it is.
That is our list.

1791
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:52,200
A lot of candidates, you know, I
think something's out by I think

1792
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,200
next week, we're talking her UVA
game rap and we're talking about

1793
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,200
the next head coach, I really
do.

1794
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,100
I think it's going to come out,
whoever it is regardless of

1795
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:03,400
their situation comes out next
week because I think whoever it

1796
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,400
is, especially if it's one of
these guys already coaching

1797
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,500
somewhere and if they're in the
championship game.

1798
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,200
There is going to be it's going
to be that split.

1799
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:16,500
Do you see so many teams have at
this time of year?

1800
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,600
We're not going to discuss
pickles tonight, guys.

1801
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,400
Wanna hit that Thursday because
we've been almost at it for two

1802
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:26,500
hours and it's late and we got
the money around on a game up

1803
01:53:26,500 --> 01:53:28,900
top here.
So that is going to wrap up this

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01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:31,600
episode of The Boundary Corner
podcast.

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01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,500
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01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:39,000
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