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0:46 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson along with my co-host Ryan. Siegel what's up buddy? How you doing buddy? Sipping a brouhaha, listening to the storm role here in the West End watching little sports on TV. What about you, man? Living the dream over here in, Mechanicsville had a little little takeout Chinese for dinner. Ooh, been just, you know, one of them Kickback night. So I hadn't been too stressful at all buddy. I do like a little bit of the storm rolling in though. Oh yeah. I like summer storms of the best man, and then, it's even really nice being in the cave. Watching, little baseball like little basketball. The hockey playoffs have begun tonight. So, yeah, I already did that and then the rest of them in a five-game series when I like the way they did it kind of wish the NBA had did that I think would have been fun to see like the you know the bottom two seeds playing to other seeds and like a Seven-game Series.

2:03 Yeah that'd be pretty sweet. Sir wom you could do it dialed up a little bit more and get get a little bit more. I don't know. High-stakes. I guess although what damn lower did last night you as a Lakers fan, I'm sure that was not like, okay, this is what we're going to have to play in the front. God yeah, yeah I mean day we keep talking shit to the Clippers. That's all good. He's not afraid to talk shit to anybody including the Skip Bayless, Fu. Tweet this morning. I was like Jesus and I read some things there skip doing. What's get does is pretty funny, man. How's your weekend?

2:46 Do oh man, it was a pretty relaxing weekend, man. Pretty relaxing weekend got a little yard work done. Nothing too bad. I did was fight a little bit of a stomach bug a couple days ago, but we're past that now. All good. Now, what about you? What about you? I know you were out of town. Had some had some traveling. Oh, yeah. Traveling my niece. Got married this weekend down in 40 as well. Max Meadows area. So about 40 minutes, south of Blacksburg wedding was beautiful. I had a very interesting Adventure Friday night. After the rehearsal dinner, we get back to the hotel room. We are about to, we're slowly.

3:29 Getting ready to get the boys a bath, yet ourselves showers, and And the little one falls off bumps his head. He cries seems okay. Given bath, they play, they watch a little bit of TV and then he called dinosaurs. And just, you know, the head bump. So we ended up calling my sister and the future mother, and my, the future, my niece's future mother-in-law. They're both nurses. Like if he bumped in threw up, just just take him in like you don't want. Anything makes sense, right? Well, he proceeded to do that two more times. And, you know, I kind of sacrifice and said, honey, I'll go into the hospital.

4:12 So essentially, we were in there till 3:00 a.m. All sorts of, you know, they just come out. Yeah. They you know they give they actually went with the CT scan, everything was fine by 3:00 in the morning. He was just fine but that made the next day. Very long in the rest of the weekend, extremely long because it's kind of funny. Brian scheduled drops, 30 me and you Texas. Hey, Bryant anniversary. You know, we're going to get some. We're going to do a little bit of here, too. House. You're like, oh cool. Just do it. Something when we get back, I text you, Sunday, tell you the situation. You're like, oh God, put it off till Monday. I will talk about schedule.

4:58 Fun me. And you start looking at Twitter feeds and news reports on Monday and it's like oh shit all hell is breaking loose in college football and it's like we text we call like we've got to put it on. All along, we cannot start discussing schedule and look like buffoons season gets called season gets called or Emmy. Even if you know things get pushed back to the spring, it's like, well now we've talked about something that's not happening for six months. All right. All right. Yeah. And and I'm sure boundary Corner listeners.

5:39 You guys. Probably right on top of it. Like, we are Pac-12. Big Ten. Have typically postponed canceled their Seasons until the spring at first. But I'll give you just what your first thought when you saw it. Big tenants first, followed by the Pac-12. What was your like, what was your initial just thoughts on it, like, just What changed since they just the big tent brought out their schedule? Since I pulled out their schedule likes. They're salivating discussing who Peck 12, after dark games. Yeah, whoo. Michigan. Ohio State, early, some other good games are really, just, yeah. Saying like what has changed?

6:26 And I think we're going to hit that in a few minutes here, but it was just like it was kind of out of left field. It's even more out of left field that they're doing. This. They're doing this. Okay. Cool. You doing. So you're closing your universities, right? Nah, not to my knowledge. I've not seen a lot of big people. Come back and say, oh yeah, how the state's virtual Michigan's virtual Penn State's virtual? Seems like the students are still coming back. So it seems like even the ones that are pushing to a mostly online or full online situation or still, they still want the students on campus. Yep. Because some students have to be on campus for it seems like there is a push for Anyone that came to be on campus to be on campus, for whatever reason, my guess is some sort of monetary reason.

7:18 But that's neither here nor there. But Curtis did, you did you see some of the statements that came out as far as the reasoning? Yeah. Let's let's let's let's both read. Let's just read both statements. Okay, I'm gonna do the Big 10 run. I think you have the Pac-12 there. So this is the fixed end statement. The mental and physical Health. And Welfare of our student-athletes has been at the center of every decision. We have made regarding the ability to proceed forward as time progressed, and after hours of discussion with our Big Ten task force of, for emerging, infectious diseases, and the Big Ten Sports Medicine committee. It became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential. Medical risk, to our student athlete to compete this fall for many months.

8:08 We have hope to return to fall Collegiate Sports might be An opportunity to restore some sense of normalcy and provide brighter moments. For our University, our city, our state. The first statement there was from Kevin Warren. The second statement there was from Wisconsin's Rebecca blank with Barry Alvarez. Last kind of piece of that from the Wisconsin folks even. So today's decision by the big tent, postpone the fall 2020 Sports season is the correct one what the Pac-12 say? All right, so let's start with Larry, Scott Pac-12, commissioner, health safety, and well-being of our student athletes and all those connected to the Pac-12.

8:50 Sports has been our number one priority since the start of this current crisis, our student-athletes fans staff, and those who love college sports would like to have seen the season played this calendar year as originally planned. And we know how disappointing this is. Then we also have from the president of the University of Oregon, all the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors, understand the importance of this decision. And the disappointment it will create for our student-athletes the coaches, support staff and all other fans. Ultimately, our decision was Guided by science and a deep commitment to the Health and Welfare of student athletes. We certainly hope that the Pac-12 will be able to return to competition in the New Year. All right, I'm going to say something for both. The, if the well-being and was so much concern, we had to cancel a bleep too.

9:41 You bring them back on campus two and a half months ago. Any explanation with that bright any reasoning? No. Because if, if you knew this was the ultimate outcome, or if you knew you were, potentially still has this option on the table without playing any games and seeing what was going to happen. Then you shouldn't have brought them back and you definitely shouldn't have put out a schedule like this season was about to start up in five weeks. It's very true, you're already. So you're already on mitigating your risk by doing that, we're going to bring them on campus, we're going to do this. We're going to have them trained, we're going to do all this and it's like, well, hey, you said you were all about their health and well-being, the most healthy and well-being would have been no.

10:29 Until we feel you guys are secured a play. We're not going to bring you on campus, they didn't. Yeah. So there's a lot of hypocrisy in those statements in my opinion. Yeah. I see something else playing out here that seem to coincide a little bit with a lot of these decisions. All, you know, we had players that came together in the Pac-12, then later players that came together in the Big Ten List of Demands talking about potentially wanting to create a Association of college athletes wanting to have a A universal protocol for covid Across the Nation, just dictated by the conferences and then all of a sudden that's when this The Winds of Change started to blow through and you know a couple of these conferences get cold feet because nothing in terms of the data that they were analyzing change.

11:33 At least to my knowledge nothing has been put out that said okay well the numbers were here two weeks ago and now they're here now. I mean to my knowledge nothing is changed that would have dictated a hey we're announcing the schedule in 48 hours. We're meeting to determine whether or not we were going to play this season. Absolutely the players making those statements talking about banning together, talking about having Association morning, a seat at the table. Asking for more that to me, they can say all they want about. Oh, it's liability dude. Your tongue My neighbor tonight, man. I mean, you talked about it, you're bringing kids back to campus blob abilities, already their liabilities, there it is.

12:19 You, as soon as they're on your campus, you have some degree of liability saliva there, so it kind of makes no sense. But then this happens and it's almost like it's almost like these two conferences are thinking you know what? We're going to try to squash this. We're just going to end your season. That's cool but they probably haven't thought about is there's three other pretty big players and we'll get to those in a little while. But something night as we were as kind of the trickle start talking about, potentially cancellations happening, say what you want. I know people are saying he's not the spokesman for the Collegiate football players, but he is probably the biggest name and that was the Trevor Lawrence statement.

13:07 You don't mind Brian them. Read his tweet real quick, pretty long people are at just as much if not more risk. If we don't play players, will all be sent home to their own communities, where social distancing is highly unlikely and medical care and expenses will be placed on the families. If they were to contract covid-19 not to mention the players coming from the situations that are not good for them. And their future are having to go back to that football is a safe havens of so many people. We're more likely to get the Virus in everyday life than playing football having a season, also incentivizes players mean safe and taking all the right precautions and try to avoid Contracting covid because the season teammates safety is on the line. Without the season as we've seen already, people will not social distance or wear masks or take proper precautions and a little while later.

14:03 The release on Monday we want to play And that started a big movement amongst a bunch of players whether it was seniors or underclassmen from players across the country, both in conferences that were talking about canceling and conferences that you know, had made that move yet or weren't having those discussions to that degree at that time. So, you know, we saw you know, for Virginia Tech trade turning was kind of the leader on that front for us stepping up making that statement And a lot of other guys followed suit on the team. So I think a lot of the guys on the team want to play. Yeah.

14:47 And not just, I think the biggest thing that the biggest takeaway from this whole thing, especially the, we want to play part of it is the whole idea of we're supportive of people that want to opt out but give us the option to opt in. Yeah, that I think that's that's that's kind of the biggest takeaway from what most people were saying, you know, they're There are some some degrees of wanting to have a little bit more communication and say, So within the framework of what this season is going to look at look like. And that was part of what Trevor Lawrence tweeted out, that was part of what some of these other guys tweeted out. But I think, like I said, the underlying thing there though, as I think you know we need to be supportive of guys that want to opt out. We need to be supportive of guys that want to opt in and let's figure out how to do this as safely as we can. That is absolutely correct in this situation. There is no wrong answer of what they want to do. You want to opt out because there's you just don't feel safe, your, you want to be able to be around your family. You know, you know you have some underlying medical things that in normal circumstances really wouldn't be a factor that's fine.

15:56 You want opt-in because listen, I love this game. I'm a sophomore. I need this season to create my draft stock. I don't have the season to create my draft stock. I'm sitting here next year. I'm not maybe it's one of these guys isn't that how the boards? But if they go out and have a breakout season, Caleb 40, last year, if he goes out and balls last season, and now he is looked at as a first-round guy. Yeah. That in the sophomore season, he's already built the day but they're guys who don't have that chance. And those are the guys that that kind of needed. And then the way Trevor talked about being sent home because the weird part is right now, you know Clemson is not going to let kids on campus until the 22nd. Or was it the 15th or 22nd September. I'm assuming a lot of these guys can't stay there or if they're staying.

16:50 Yeah, you know and if they can stay there, that's fine. But then there's more Cochran. See hey, you can't play football. We'll go home. Well, you know you know you need to stay here because we're going to keep training. What is with the big Ten's? Do you still going to train 20 hours a week like? Yeah. And you know, let's talk about Blacksburg a little bit here. I mean we're talking about roughly 20,000 potentially students being on campus or in the Blacksburg area between whether it's off campus housing student athletes incoming freshman. You know, for the most part they are going virtual classes. But at the same time, they still are expected to be on campus.

17:33 Yep. Because there are certain resources that they may or may not be able to access from a remote location. And they, I think in a lot of ways, they, they make more money off of students when they're on campus. So that's that that's been a theme of unfortunately, to a - extent that's been a theme of what we've been seeing. A academic side of this. And the organizational side is that Virginia Tech is in some cases, not been the greatest at, I guess giving the students a little bit of a bit relief. When it comes to the financial side of things. It's almost like they have ratcheted up the financials, you know, to twist the the screws into the students while giving them a product that is less than what they've been accustomed. To in the past.

18:26 So that's a problem as well. But you know, we're again, we're talking about 20,000 people in the greater Blacksburg area. That weren't there a month ago. Yep, and athletes that even if they play or not are expected to stay on campus. Yeah, you can't tell me that the structure that a football season has is not better for the athletes than whatever, not having a season that's going to be. And that's Been my point of view here is that, you know, I don't think people understand that for the most part even during the season a student athletes day is very regimented.

19:07 And you've got, you know, morning lift or morning run, you've got class, you've got lunch, you've got class, you've got film, you've got practice, you've got another bill, you've got study hall, study all you got, you got trainers. I mean, there's so much that you're doing in a Typical day. You know, there's not a lot of hours that you're calling your own where you can make even those bad choices. So you know, that type of structure is going to be good in these scenarios. You know, I get the potential added risk of being in close proximity with 80 other people during practice and, you know, 55 people on a trip.

19:51 But at the same time, if you're not doing that, There's a very good likelihood that you're going to be in close proximity with people in dorm rooms in close proximity with people in common areas or areas where food is served. Most people with more free time on their hand or going to end up doing more social activities and it's going to create more interactions. So at some point we need to take take stock of if they're on campus together, they're at risk. Regardless of whether football is being played or not absolute and and you made. So Any point about the regiment's rigid schedules. But also they don't see what the big 10 PAC 12 has done is they've taken the carrot away from the players.

20:35 Yeah, they put it away instead of saying, Hey, listen, you guys need to be very disciplined. You need to wear your mask, you need to social distance, you need to wash your hands. You need to do all these things, so you can play. So you can put that tape out there. They don't have it anymore. Even the normal student body doesn't have that more at those universities because you know what, even though the Horseshoe the big house often Zoo, there are no, there's gonna be nobody this year. You don't tell me those kids want to sit in their dorm rooms and hang out with their roommates and watch the game. Where's the incentive? Now, to be more rigid. Where somebody's you see a player walk on campus?

21:17 Like, I will get, I need to pull up my mask. And he did, I need to think about this because I want to see my University. Play the football game. If there's no carrots, just kind of like, well, okay, what do we do? What we should do these things. Yeah. But what's the incentive? Well, you don't want to get it. Well, nobody wants to get it. Jesus. Lord. But to your point, Take all that away, even 20 hours a week like the big Ten's doing, they're going to have a lot more down time, they're going to be hanging out with a lot more people. I guarantee you someone to be a bars parties other social events.

21:58 I heard Barton Simmons, 24/7 guy today say it, he says and, and I hope he's right. He says, I really hope the Big 12, the ACC in the SEC can pull it off, and he said, here's why. Because then, you're going to have a comparison. If the Big Ten in the Pac-12, continue to test as did the eighth because clearly, if they're playing, they're going to be testing to three times a week. Yeah. Who have more cases by the end of semester and he says, you want to make a bet. He's like, I'll make a bet make a bet it's going to be those schools playing, because those kids have incentive for the other school, do not. And I'm with that.

22:40 Yeah, I'm with that 100%. I'm gonna get some real talk to you go. And you can attest to this because you witnessed some of it. Firsthand. Real talk, some football players, drink and do drugs. No shit. Also, real talk when it was the season. Most of those people that did those things did not do those things. And there was a unofficial rule by the coaching staff that after Wednesday's practice, you don't touch alcohol till after the game. And you will be surprised the number of football players that didn't you one of them? Exactly Curtis can attest thirsty. Thursday.

23:26 I was a DD many times mr. Siegel on Friday nights before games, my first year at Longwood, you could not sleep, your you were jacked, you needed about four hours of sleep, which means used to get back to your dorm room about what, 3 a.m. you drive over and just like where you need to go tonight, man. And I'm just like Brother didn't uh he didn't touch a drop of alcohol. You just hung out you chitchat it. Now usually after the game you'd be like hit me up about 5:00. I don't know nothing because I've been up for but you get, it was set out there and run your time while you were playing. Did you ever have anybody get busted? And basically, I'm sure the coaches were like, bye. You're not playing.

24:10 Yeah. We had a couple guys that that set out at least the first half of some games or set out the whole game. Mmmmm. We had a couple guys that got put in the the Farmville jail overnight for being drunk in public. And you know the funny story was you know the first thing we had one guy was a real jokes or so. The first thing you ask we got put in there you like I want a Bible in a copy of the Constitution brought to my cell now gz. But again you just make the point the rules out there and I'm sure Rule would have been out there of for those schools playing after we test on Wednesday, you need to be nowhere else. You need to be your class where you sleep or on the facilities but it's gone.

25:02 Now for them. Now for the other conference is Braun. Lot came down after the Big Ten statement. Now let's start with the course the ACC released from the Atlantic Coast Conference of statement. Aunt, the ACC will continue to make decisions based on medical advice, inclusive to our medical Advisory Group local and State Health guidelines, and do. So in a way that appropriately coincides with the University's academic missions, the safety of our students and overall campus communities will be our top priority. And we are pleased with the protocols being administered by our 15 campuses. We will continue to follow our process and has been placed for months and it's served us.

25:42 Well, we understand the need to stay flexible if you To adjust medical information in the landscape of balls, that was only from the whole committee committee. And then there was a statement from essentially, the guy leading, this group, his name is dr. Cameron wolf, he is a Duke infectious disease specialist and basically his, you hear what he's saying? It gives you some hope he says that we believe that we can mitigate it down to the level. That makes everyone's safe. Can we safely have two teams meet on the field. And I will say yes. Will it be tough? Yes. Will it be expensive and hard and lots of work for sure, but I do believe you can sufficiently mitigate the risk of bringing covid onto the football field or into training rooms at a level that is no different than an already thing. As a student on campus, a couple other things. You said are Bron, I know you read the article but I just want to highlight these for those who didn't. You can't tell me that run went to a football. Ball field is supposed to be a zero risk environment. Yes.

26:53 Look at all the other regular sporting injuries that we accept it as a certain level of risk as part of the parcel of football. Now the reality is we have to accept a little bit of covid risk to be part of that. Did it discusses the concerns about myocarditis that inflammation of the heart. And you know, that is a concern. but, Brian. Does it shock you that a virus could cause myocarditis? No. Because anything up to the common cold can cause myocarditis. So shocking most anything that is a virus that causes any sort of fever can potentially cause myocarditis so does it does not Shock me. One bit covid could potentially, cause it's because it calls it at a higher risk.

27:47 Potentially, that's probably something we're not going to for 15 years. Yeah, that that's just honest, there's things. We learned everyday things. We are you shooting probably eat that. It causes this crap. Let me not me not by that meat anymore. Let Me by turkey. There's things we've had now passed, like, you know, sicknesses and now we're having problems. And you get asked about. Have you ever had this before? Well, yeah, I had it when I was in my twenties. You're seeing them after effects. 15 years later. That's, that's can be shocking to anyone. It shouldn't be. And should we take this to the Seriously. Yes. But if you're trying to look for every wrong term thing, then you're never going to leave your house ever again.

28:28 Because every day there is something that you did 10 years ago, that could affect you today. So don't give me that. Now this guy Cameron wolf legitimately first of all he's not a good old southern boy. He is actually an Australian which so anybody trying to pay the original southern boy, huh? The Originals Well, he's just doing whatever they say to get this season and I wouldn't say that he's from Australia, he graduated from University of Melbourne, back in 2000 and he's been a fellow at the infectious diseases at Duke. Since 2007, as essentially that was where he did his work and if you look like I didn't see some of his Publications, he's already done some stuff on covid. He's done some other things concerning, you know, some cardiac stuff, the guy's smart, and, You know, you hear him in the words that he's talking about of how to play, he's already putting it out, there it is going to be tough and I'm sure what he's preaching is what they're preaching inside those facilities in the ACC, like you can't screw up. This is going to be hard, this is going to be tough unlikely one or two slips, it could embassies just know that and You know, he's also a realist with some of the other stuff. So you know, the guy that's leading the ACC you hear his background.

29:57 You see you know what he has studied. You also see think I sent it to you today. Brian. The read Stephen, the drug that g odd. He was one of the phase three doctors on that. They're trying to get that FDA approved and You know, reading the article and having a couple discussions with some people in the medical field, you know who you are. I would have shouted you out, but I can't because I didn't ask you. It's not a, it's not a game changer, it's not but the the way you put it was it's going to help strain on the hospital's. It's a game changer. So I'm going to cure it as snot this great drug but it's going to help a little bit and when you hear God, he's doing that type of work.

30:46 It tells me that The guy that's leading this, if he ever feel that there is a situation where it can't be done, he's going to come out and just say it because I don't think he will put his career out. Yeah, for one football season. Yeah, my takeaway from reading that it is that it had the potential to be helpful in the same way that had Roxy chloroquine is, but without the side effects that come with that in a lot of cases, we want to go any deeper than that on this subject because just mentioning that word is has political connotations that we're not trying to get down that that path right now. But just based on the Russians you had in the reading. I've done it kind of that's the idea is that the idea is to get those hospital stays either lower or to mitigate something that is manageable, come becoming something that's not manageable.

31:45 So you know if that boost for that's a good thing and obviously having someone with that level of knowledge, on the subject, being the person that's in the decision, chair for this, for the ACC is pretty big. The brown week we heard. What do you know of a top guy at the S at the ACC has said, the guy who's leading it? What is the SEC said about this? So there commissioner came out Greg Sankey I look forward to learning more about the factors that led the Big Ten and Pac-12 leadership to take these actions. Today, I remain comfortable with the thorough and deliberate approach that the SEC and are 14 members are taking to support a healthy environment for our student-athletes.

32:29 We will continue to further refine our policies and protocols for a safe, return to sports. As we monitor developments and covid-19 in a continued effort to support, educate and care for our student-athletes every day. They have not released their schedule yet, but they have never really moved off of the fact that they were going to be playing have a given us the dates yet which sucks damn just release it. We need to know when these games are ya there? They've been some discussions because I'm looking now at the Big 12 schedule. There's already been a couple discussions like couple of like the week we play UNC. It's like us UNC FSU Carolina or do FSU Notre Dame. Mm, couple of the Big 12.

33:19 It's like a couple really big games that we can see there's any SEC games of note that week, it's going to be a packed weekend. It's gonna be like get you get you get your bottle ready. And because to a bathroom because you're not going to leave the TV for probably close to 12 hours. Get yourself three TVs in one room. You got to have a command center got to. All right, so he said that clearly, they're pushing forward but the big big Domino that people thought might fall after. The first two was the big 12. B12 came out today because of presidents are going to allow the conference to move forward toward a season, and a revised.

34:02 Big 12 schedule is going to be released after approval from the ades. After tonight's meetings, schedules released, they are going to start the 26th of Big 12 Play. I think they have games leading up to that in the few prior weeks. Yep. You know what they're doing 9 plus 1, right? They're doing on plus 1, they play everybody anyway. But they're doing the additional game but they're doing that before the they're not unlike the ACC or the acc's essentially letting the plus ones be wherever. Yep. Big 12 is like it's either going to be the weekend of the 19th or the 12th. You're getting a warm up. This is when you're playing tell you one thing they didn't do.

34:44 Well if you didn't fuck a team like they did the ACC and have a bye week as the last week of the season. That's true. Is there normal, though? They play everybody play. That's 19. Teams first weekend, I mean, I see debris. Very interesting games with Iowa, State TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas State and Okie State versus West Virginia, you know? That's that. Kansas State beat Oklahoma last year about what fourth week, fifth week of the Season. Yeah. Like, there's freaking Oklahoma me, and you text on that, We're like they cannot stop the run, do something, do something you have lime and loved it because it's just like they are just a man.

35:38 I elating them in the trenches but then you're like, like, this is terrible. Like, you could do like load the box, fill the gaps, make them throw the ball like man. Nothing. So after that, Domino kind of I'm not going to say fall but after that, Domino kind of stands. We've now got three teams that are essentially are moving forward. The power 3, the power 3, you know. So we see that. But you know for those for the Pac-12 in the Big Ten you know they're saying we're looking at a spring season. Hey Brian you played football up until you were in your, you know, early 20s.

36:20 Is there any possible way minimum could have t minimum We played 19/20 games in the course of eight months. No, okay. Shall I? Elaborate you can, elaborate, if you want, go for it, go for it. Just just so people understand. Okay, so number one, if you play in the spring, your best players will not be playing, because they will be preparing for the draft. so, Ohio state will have Justin Fields by soon. The big left tackle out of Oregon. Absolutely.

37:06 He's going to be an absolute freak in the NFL by Bateman. Who's already opted out in Minnesota, one of the top receivers, goodbye, Michael Parsons all World linebacker Penn State goodbye. You know, I scroll down a little more here, you know, the Walker little offensive, lineman out of Stanford. No, they're not going to. Play know. So Don't get me wrong. Do you go from your your best players playing in the fall potentially opted out to 100%? They're all opting out. They will not, they will not play. That's not even counting the people. If we still haven't had this discussion what if we're not completely out of covid, there's probably going to be some kids that say, not, I'm opting out, I'm not going to play, there's still going to be underclassmen opt out.

38:01 You also talk about. So I liked it, I liked the term this. There's a cycle of an NFL season and then the cycle of an NFL offseason, there's a cycle of a Collegiate season in the cycle of the Collegiate offseason. And what you're essentially saying is that you don't get a offseason, I mean, you're talking about playing games from January to early April and then, having two months before you're gearing up for fall All Camp. Well, let's just talk about this Mo. Let's just go through the normal beginning of a year. Most teams their last game is in January, whether it be early or a couple weeks in if you want.

38:43 Play in the national championship, how much it, how much you're usually given how much of a break you probably get two to three weeks after the season ends? No, yeah, nothing. You might do your, you might be doing stuff on your own, but there's no organized activities. I mean, you're expected to Not gained 30 pounds. But at the same time, you're not expected to be in game shape either. So you've got three weeks where you're pretty much, you're just working out to not become a fat ass, but there's nothing organized about it. There's no, there's no team activities. It's, it's essentially don't gained a ton of weight over the holidays, but then, even after that you you kind of mentioned to me when we were We were talking about this.

39:31 It's A build-up, you're not going out there after the third second, third or fourth week, you're not going full bore. No, it's a gradual in the month of February, kind of a gradual lead up for two or three weeks and then the last few weeks you're going hard, but then after that, after that, we see we see Hogarth photos every year as Virginia Tech fans but then what happens in early March dial it back a little bit. You get ready for spring practice. You take about a week off, that you're not doing those as much of those official activities and then you're rolling into, you know, spring practice Spring ball where things become more regimented. Again, you're looking at, you know, lift you're looking at film sessions and you have actual practices in that period of time.

40:20 But again, these are practices where you're going hard but it's Still not a prepping for the week situation and it's definitely not a fall Camp. We're going to run you ragged to the point where, you know, we're trying to get you in shape for the next 10 to 12 weeks of a season type situation. So, Spring ball is still a little different in that aspect because it is more about the prepping, the learning, the getting your body, right? And seeing kind of what you can and what you can't do versus Has those hardcore battles that you sometimes see in Fall Camp? Leading up to the start of the Season? Absolutely, but then even after that you're talking about usually it's met in the early parts of June where they're getting their get to ballot back to not. It's very little organized, then they get into June. Most kids are getting back on campus. Now some have vacations and stuff but that's when you're seeing will organize stuff leading into August. Yeah, I mean, You mentioned that there's just no way. The guys bodies their 1822 year-olds. That's a couple other guys.

41:32 You know, when people talk about the NFL, you mentioned to me the way you mention, say how you said it earlier because when you set it at made like this logical graduated effect, if it back just like in terms of like a State athlete coming through the year. So a middle school most six or seven games in a typical Season plus, whatever sort of championship game potentially that they have on the on the field. So somewhere between six and eight games you played JV you're talking about an eight game schedule with the potential championship game. When they're then Varsity, you got 10 plus, whatever the state playoffs are depending on how far you go, you get to College, it's a 12-game season for most people, plus, whatever bowl games, or games you have there. So there's a, there's a graduated of Act of, as you get older you're adding game.

42:28 So your body is getting more used to it gradually. Now, what you're essentially saying here is that instead of like in the NFL, where you have a group of rookies that are getting used to a 16-game schedule, plus whatever the playoffs is, you're talking about your entire roster is adjusting to that because you're playing 20 games in what nine calendar months, ten calendar months, whatever it is. I mean, and you're only getting about two to three months in the middle there. And we had some point, your body needs to recover and it needs to recover and that it needs to build a foundation towards that next season and you're not getting that by playing in the spring.

43:11 So I think there's inherent medical problems that could come from that, whether it be not having enough time for a serious injury. I mean, you're essentially saying, if you get a serious injury in the spring, you're not playing in the fall. No. Not like, I mean, we're not talking about just like things like Achilles. These are ACLS or things like that, we're talking about anything that requires more than a tweak timeframe, you're potentially jeopardizing part of your next season in the recovery process. I mean, absolutely. So, you know, we've already kind of hit on money, you know, some people are saying, you know, how is this going to affect? You know, we've already it's going to affect communities doing say it's not even a question, you're going to see for those in those communities up there. Potentially, you could go back in two years and the bars that you like to go to is gone, you know, the little mom-and-pop shop, you always stopped at before you tailgate. It is gone.

44:15 That's the dire consequences of the money part. Now as far as the school's go I've told you my opinion run numerous times just on off conversations if you were to tell me right now, the ACC were to cancel football this year. Here's exactly what I think, the athletic department, Virginia Tech looks like I'm non-revenue sports or cut. There will be five sports left five. Which got six? Excuse me, I missed one there. Clearly football. Men's basketball women's basketball. Baseball softball in wrestling. That would be it. That would be the only ones left a softball baseball. You do get enough of a crowd to probably cover the expenses of a season on the wrestling programs. Have a very good line of boosters that you see donate. It's also the top two, top tier program, you're not going to get rid of that.

45:13 And then clearly the basketball programs, you always have the option with March Madness to Bringing extra money to pay for the program. That's a lot of sports cut. And I think you would see that at most every school that there would be a bare-bones minimum and I think you would still see have to see austerity measures put in place on a lot of the programs, even to maintain that, whether it be coaches, coaches, taking a percent cut for a season, you know, whatever. It may be. I think you would still have to see that even if you have to operate without the non revs. So I mean, I think you're right on track. Back there. I mean, I think that's going to be option. Number one is to get the, the non revs cut and it's unfortunate.

45:58 But at some point, The money's got to come from somewhere. Yeah. And you're not going to cut sports, that have the potential to bring in revenue for the school. So at some point if there's operating costs without anything coming back in, it doesn't make sense to tell someone else you have to take a 40% pay cut because we've got a fund this thing over here. I mean, at some point that that's the decision. Going to have to be made, you know, we talked about, you know, the schools and the money. I mean, let's talk a little bit about how some of the player agency is worked in this, in this whole thing. Both from, you know, we talked about earlier with the opting out and then wanting to opt in and things like that. But also, you know, we had a little bit of an update here about NCAA eligibility that came out just before we started recording here, you know?

47:01 Looking at a potential of guys that play less than 50% of the Season, whether it be because they opted out after they started or whether it be because the season was shut down, getting essentially an extra year of Eligibility on top of the five years that they're initially granted by the NCAA. Well. So how does that work? Perfectly in the screen? It's not stated in this. It's not stated in this in this state and it looks like like that. I don't think that's official yet, but that's what the board for division. One Intercollegiate Athletics for the NCAA has presented. Now while we're on the topic of NCAA holy shit what a rudderless clusterfuck they have been in this whole thing.

47:50 Now what I didn't expect, here's what I didn't expect, I never expected them to come out and say here's the plan. All conferences have to follow this. I never expected that. Because let's face it, the NCM double-a does not have that type of leadership ever. They never they never been that type of leadership, but what I did expect is, hey, here's maybe some some minimum type parameters and protocols that we want you to issue or, you know, here's our opinion on the subject. You do that with what you will. Yeah. But they're essentially playing the zero liability game here and saying if we don't say anything. Thing about what conferences decide to do. We have zero liability and what happens should things go? South the only thing the assholes have said is you can't make kids sign a waiver of liability. Okay, let's all is the only thing they've said, which is kind of like, you know, you're putting the conferences and even a tougher spot because now because the comment you do schools can lay out.

48:55 Listen, you sign this cancels. It's your decision to play. If you don't want to play, you can sign. An opt out or you can opt out and that's fine. You know, it's funny. There's a I mean I had to sign a medical waiver when when I played football. So it's interesting that that's not something they could apply here. But yeah, I mean I understand that there are certain things that essentially as long as there was no gross negligence by a university or anything that happened on the field. Then that's that's what it is. Well I mean, you know, We see all this in and, you know, they're they've done nothing. So let's just throw them out because they're worthless basically, but I'm going to ask you this. The conference is make the money. NCAA does not make the money.

49:45 Yeah, seeing them even more without structure without power. And I talked to my neighbor tonight, he's a UVA and of e.t. grad. And it is, is this when the power 5 break off, and just say you guys are morons, you have no structure, we're going to create our own. We're going to essentially, we're gonna have a commissioner. They're going to give us guidelines, they're going to give us protocols. They're going to give us everything we need to do. Could this happen? Could we thank you? I think it got. Think you're going to see potentially up to three things coming out of this whole debacle. You're potentially going to see. Organization in some way, shape or form. Even if it's not a union quote marks there there, I think there will be some some type of player input more than what is in place.

50:38 Now, for the both at the conference level and at the NCAA level, I think there's the potential to expand and maybe even refined further some of the ideas of name image and likeness and potentially Direct That's two players. You know, at this point the conference's are assuming some risk. The players are assuming more risk than that, the ncaa's assuming nothing. Exactly. So at this point, if we're talking about these as separate institutions, I think you could see the players having a little bit more leverage here. Like, they've essentially been asserting leading up to this.

51:20 So, that would be in play. And then, lastly, as you've already mentioned, conference Lee real. I meant breaking off of the power 5 is away from the NCAA altogether potentially reforming you know super conferences depending on how that alignment shakes out that that's that's another conversation. But yeah I definitely think there's going to be some degree of Fallout from this. In another question is the Big Ten even going to exist? You see in Nebraska and things like that. And I'm not sure how that's going to look coach day is seen. I'm to fall in line as has Penn State but I don't know if the guys at Michigan and some of the other schools are going to you know, fall right in line. So that's going to be interesting to see. Not only I don't think it's going to be a quick death but I think you're going to start seeing if there's not some sort of leadership adjustment made for this conference, there's going to be T schools that get wet feet about their Ation. Yeah, my opinion is it could be dead quick because they're about to lose 150 million dollars in revenue. And I'm going to and people say, well, what about basketball? Um, they pretty much already laid it out. It's not safe to play sports.

52:44 Unless there's a vaccine unless there is a significant change in what's going on with covid in the next, you know what? Four months. Yeah. How many basketball they've already. They've already put themselves behind the eight ball on that. So 250 million dollars out revenues just to shit. You see the leadership? They're coming out and they're we got to cut. It's also a perception of the players. Tell me. Right now, if you're a player and it's going to be in their head, you know, we started talking about organizing and want to seat at the table. These sons of bitches just ended it like done, we're not playing this year, the other three companies are trying to push forward.

53:27 They haven't mentioned anything about a player organization, but they're trying to put forward. It clearly did not scare them to a point of any shut it down. We're going to say medical reasons, you know, we see the cause and effect. Well, the joke was that, you know, SEC has been Dropping bags already. They're not afraid of a little bit organization. Know, we could we could but we don't and we've got one just down the street on Henderson. Hey dude, that's where you're going, right? They've already canceled football this year done, there's no way to play currently with them. So if you go down spring are you can play Spring ball? Well, I'll find role early.

54:28 Yeah. But what if that takes a year of Eligibility out? Are you gonna play? I don't know. It's going to be an again. If you start here in the SEC, the ACC in the Big 12 talk about hey we're bringing our players to our meetings, they're going to start hearing things, they're going to start on getting Shal. Hey, are we doing this? Then they're going to have to answer that question and if they say well no, this is your student athlete. Oh cool. Let me, let me back out of my commitment then because you're seeing me just as this, the other conferences are looking at me in something else. They've already had, they've already lost one. I want to see the transfer Portal 2 because, you know, maybe not for this year.

55:16 But again, for next year, Can I say the Run what you got? Delusion, 50 million dollars. How do you run a business without Revenue? You can not So we've already talked about, they're going to cut in on red sports. You can ask coach has to pay cuts, then they're probably going to start letting go of trainers and Facilities people because we've got to make budget athletic Department's cannot run in debt. They have to be level. Yep, that's why you here so long when they're building these buildings are paying for it out, right? Well, how? Well, they've been slowly saving the money to build these things. Big donors, come in. it's eventually, it could get to a level where I have committed to the University of Give me one. That's not one of the big names run. In the Big Jim.

56:19 Sure. Let's go with lemon soda. I'm coming to Minnesota. Awesome, going to be, great to have you here. We need to put half your tuition for the first three years. What do you mean? We're cutting everything. We lost 60 million dollars in a year. We don't have the operational budget. We've cut the non revs, we've cut our staff, salaries, we've cut this, we've cut that, you know, there's only one way and that's going to be you have to pay for part of your scholarship. This happens in a lot of non rev Sports where players get 20 30 % of their scholarship? The rest they pay on their own.

57:02 Now, any big one because you committed to get somebody for a committed and you know they can't pay full scholarship. You did me nice to make your mom. Write that check. Come here. You don't have to It's going to get ugly. It could get ugly, man. You're right. You could definitely get ugly. And like I said the I feel like the Big Ten is going to have more trouble than than the Pac-12 on that front. Just because they do have The big dogs that could negotiate themselves into other conferences in the short term. Yep.

57:43 I don't think the Pac-12 has teams with the motivation to do so. And I think just the nature geographically, I don't think you'll see as much of a mass Exodus in the transfer portal just because there's not as many overlapping boundaries of the conferences with the Pac-12. Versus the rest of the country. It's very much a isolated conference geographically. Whereas a lot of the other conferences in the power 5, especially there's there's overlap between states, there's overlap between regions and things like that. So, you know, a guy that was playing at Penn State transferring to Syracuse, or Virginia Tech or wherever it may be.

58:27 That's not much of a stretch not at all and you. Absolutely right man. By that let's-let's-let's Move on Braun. I kind of feel like the caliph Lori Fallout. He was almost the The wheel. The the small snowball that started this when he decided to opt out a lot of Fallout. I'll let you go to it. You think of the way, some people chose to. I don't know, the way to put it, Braun. They chose to pick and choose what Caleb said and run with it.

59:09 Well, I feel like it started with the original article with with P of T, you know, that's where it came from, the, the quotes about, you know, whatever was happening on the field and guys going to Myrtle Beach and all that came out. Yes, it came from words that Caleb wrote but it seemed like based on some of the additional commentary. We got that that was kind of like cherry-picked lines. Amongst a much larger statement that was made and, you know, we've seen kind Of what PFT has been doing with their coverage of covid and what they think about what a season should or should not look like in this case.

59:53 So I'm not saying that it was a politically motivated or a. See I told you so type story but it kind of definitely kind of felt like that it felt like a couple of the guys in the Virginia writers kind of ran with it and then You know, you get some, some additional information to turns out that it wasn't between the Zodiac, alt article in the Roanoke Times and what happened on the The Today Show, it's like, okay, well, that's a slightly different narrative than what we were seeing at first. And I mean, I know the fallback was yes, it was Caleb's words. All we did was report them.

1:00:38 Yeah. But you also selectively reported what? Was being played up at the media at large and not given Source out the additional comment commentary you did. Try to contact the Virginia Tech athletic department, which is another debacle that will talk about right now. Why do we have such a hard time of getting in front of a story? No clue. The only thing you can say is whoever's running. The pr does not know what they're doing at all, because it seems very odd to say this if you put me in charge of PR FL, I could be stuff I do because I don't know exactly how to do that saying that there are some things we knew the second that Caleb said coach Opted out first thing that should have been done. Okay, let's sit right there.

1:01:36 Call PR Caleb's opting out. We're going to make a statement with it. Yeah, because you will, he was going to make one you why we fight. We've had the conversation. I want to put a press release out of here. Okay. With it. Or when you make your press release, I want us to release at the same time so we're on, we're in lock step of what we're doing here. So yeah, you know, No, you know, it's just one of those things where it feels like, this is where we need to catch up to the times, you listen to the Hokie hangover podcast with what the mic and Ricky - Ricky with date. But we've talking about the way they run donations. He's like, this is Mom and Pops.

1:02:29 Look what you have here. You can't run this, like, mom-and-pop, you have to run this like a corporation. This is what it feels like with the pr. Now, luckily, my name is Ola crushed. This how cold was on Today? Show crushed it because I watched that, and if you read and then Saul Caleb's word, you be like this guy didn't say the this is not right. Very complimentary of Coach. Mike went deep into it and you know, It's sort of it sort of died quick because when all that stuff came out, it was just kind of like, oh, it's a nothing Burger. We got the bad press, we probably not going to get a positive press to keep it going.

1:03:11 But you know what? It got resolved and best of luck to Caleb. I do think he is going to be a star in the NFL because you don't teach running 24, miles, an hour. No, he's in this star, dude. He's going to be a big-time star and just to like piggyback a A bit on that man. It's frustrating. Because when you don't have good PR and when you don't get in front of a story, everything that comes out after that feels like damage control, even when it's not absolutely. Either the thing about, you know, honoring a player's scholarship, even if they opt out, we had already made that decision days before. Caleb even announced. Yeah, and yet, that wasn't something that was stated publicly until after this hole. - story hit.

1:04:01 So that's something. If you just communicate a little bit more, let things be known. You know, it's not grandstanding or patting yourself on the back. Sometimes it's just stating here is our policy. Yep. You know, you don't have to look at everything. That is a positive as something that, you know, you don't want to be back. Slapping yourself. No, just State your policy be transparent. So that way, if there is a situation like this, you've already got it in print. That, that's your decision. And you don't look like you're covering your ass after the fact. Absolutely. And you feel like it's it's it is slowly changing. The door is slowly opening but not fast enough. You know, I think what they need to understand is you can you can open it up. It's almost The French Door aspect. You can open up this side where people can see in and keep the other one closed or crack to a point where they can't see everything.

1:04:52 Yeah. Um, so yeah. Alright. So let's do some hokey headlines here. Lots of stuff going on, but we've had some good news. The first brine guy, you like a lot Cole. Nelson, commits to the Hokies the three-star out of Alpharetta, Georgia down at Johns Creek, 63 230, defensive end, you know? Not a lot of big offers solid rating. What do you think we're getting from a from Coleman? I mean he's underrated guys, I think I mean, I'm not saying that just blow smoke up your ass here, rated 86.

1:05:33 I mean, I think he's better than that. He's going to be a guy that's going to make some plays for us, probably pretty quick in the process. I like him. Probably in the same ballpark as I liked, you know, the tape on a leak, Bryant in a lot of cases. So I feel like they're the same type of player from a from a size perspective perspective and what they like to do on the field. So I think we're getting a really good price. Aspect with him. I'm looking forward to getting him in Blacksburg, you know, once we close out this year, hopefully, we can get some, some traction on getting some more official visits here, for a lot of these kids. I know he's already visited once I believe, but it'll be nice to get some of these kids back on campus, even if it's not to watch a game.

1:06:18 Yep, just to get on back. Home can to get them. Comfortable. Surroundings would be awesome. And you look at it. It's 63 230. He's not far away from a playing. Wait, you probably even feel comfortable saying if he comes in first year. Weighing 235 pounds and he chose good, you can find ways to get him on the field. I do think, I think we are to we're a week away from bump. For 24/7. There are many things. I think you could see him, maybe go up a little bit but either way, it's a steal loving that wasn't where it ended though. With recruits brine we got one of the old lineman price good, no Athens Tennessee, McMinn High School, no rating or 24/7.

1:07:04 So we always do in there is no rated Guy, Brian. Where is the tape? Look at the tape your number. All right. 63 300, big boy, big board. This is a guy that pushes folks around. He gets out, I watched a couple plays where he was out there leading leading on a couple of sweeps and this guy can get out in space and block but just inside the tackles, he can push put folks around. I really like this guy. He was on. Who was the only Sons? He's always Sun. Yeah. And just right away. As soon as he's been a hokey, he just seems like he's, he's like that prototypical like Hokey offensive lineman from a mentality standpoint, I really dig that. So I'm excited about this guy.

1:07:56 I think he's going to be probably about 85 86. Okay, initial ranking. I think he's, you know, it's shocking that he doesn't have something out there. I don't, I don't think he's going to be in a low three-star range, but I don't think he's quite in that Fringe 34. Area either I think he's kind of writing that 85 range but if he can clean up past Pro, if he can clean up past Pro, he's gonna be a monster because he can definitely run block like very few. People can coming in something else. He was he said on son, Shout Out Billy Pat Grayson by Stone. He's going to play center and Brawn when I'm gonna rattle off a few things where he has offers from and tell me if it's jockeys.

1:08:43 It's enter the Air Force Academy, the Naval Academy harvard-yale, pin Cornell. Does it shock you that they're moving him to center? Now, he's got something upstairs, he's will be making some calls. Yeah, he's already. Got the sighs you've already talked about. His run blocking is getting in the past Pro. Let me ask this Prime because you talked about that's what he needs to clean up. Will he have less to clean up that he's going to be going even further inside? It's definitely. Owing to help because he has less to do with said more about just the technique and being able to, you know, snap his head back, get a good punch, make sure that there's no initial penetration on the interior because that's where you used to establish a pocket at the front front, half of the line there.

1:09:30 I mean, I know there's been a lot of talk about, you know, comparing him with Brock in terms of like that motor and being able to just completely take over a guy on the inside from a running perspective. So I think moving Him insides going to help him leverage some of that, some of the struggles. He may have in the, in the, in pass blocking. So I think it's gonna be a good thing for him. Yeah. I'm ready to will see him get that recruiting bump in a week from now. I'll see the Hokies ratings go up. Although this guy Nexon talk about Brian, he's not a high school guy, but an FCS transfer from Villanova changa Hodge transferring in. If he can play this year 6-1 200-pound Last year of Villanova 65 receptions. 1118 yards. 13 touchdowns on. Yep, he's taking the step up those numbers. That's a see a schedule.

1:10:32 Yeah. Yeah. Let me see eight catches 134 yards. And they lit him up for 390, total passing yards in that game. So he accounted for about 40% of those yards, that's a pretty big thing there. I mean it looks like he runs really good routes really good against, you know, one-on-one impress. So I like what he's doing. I mean I'm not sure if he's going to be a guy that's going to press for you know the first three wide receivers on the field but definitely is going to help with our depth, which is what we need a lot after some of our Archers. So you know nothing to complain about their love that. Absolutely, I'm trying to figure this out because I'm looking at it here.

1:11:24 Is he a junior this year or is he a senior this year? That is a great question. From all I've heard is that he was immediately eligible. So you know, you talk about building depth and in some mouth while I'm looking this up. Is this going to become a trend to? Our guys at the FCS level who have breakout Seasons going to bust their asses to graduate and get one or two years of Eligibility at the FBS level. If they put the production out there, I mean we're starting to see it a lot more and I think as more and more FBS teams get used to the transfer portal.

1:12:08 We're starting to see a lot more of it and I think in the past we saw, you know, T might take a chance here or a chance there on these players, but I think with the transfer portal and guys that are already, you know, your roster is already more fluid than it used to be. So you're going to take these risk on guys, that have a big body of work versus maybe a guy, that's more of a project that has potential but hasn't shown it on the field. So you're usually weighing that in terms of the transfer portal. You got I mean really do you see like true stars in the transfer portal? Usually you see guys that Had eather are with power five teams that either had a decent season, or, you know, sparked here and there. But didn't get a lot of opportunities that want to potentially see their their reps go up or they want to start somewhere else or, you know guys like, you know, changa Hodge here that had a really good season at a Villanova that wants to step up their game to the next level and any And he gets a chance this year because when the FCS cancels well I'm going to try to shop myself.

1:13:21 He is a senior but in this what we just read with the eligibility, if he's not quite there you want to make a bet that they don't say hey dude just chill. You're not going to play this year. You'll go through spring. You'll go through a full fall camp and you'll have the opportunity to play next year as a redshirt senior. So I like it man. I like it. Now Brian would also has happened. Is our head coach Justin Fuente at his first press conference and said of couple things. The ones that did not shocked with a kind of shocked me that because again, it's quiet. You don't hear much Jaden Cunningham. Essentially injured, his Achilles Last Winter, he still recovering.

1:14:12 He will not be, he's going to be doing online classes. And again, the way everything we're reading, if he doesn't play, he still has two more years of Eligibility, which essentially helps long-term with the fence. Of tackle depth, which we know inside is where you need a lot of depth and then the other one was cold back, strictly focusing on track. I think that's a lot of sense for him. You know, you see you some of this times. I think, I think cold now is probably looking at. Can I make the Olympic team? Maybe not? Heck. Maybe even next year, maybe in four years from now or some of those other games? Yeah, yeah, I think that's true with him. And, you know, it clears up an extra extra look there at the running back position.

1:14:58 I know he was more scout team, looking things like that but you know it's definitely another spot on the roster for a running back. I know we got a stacked room there already but we do have some guys that are more versatile, that Flex out a different positions. So I think that room is going to be really interesting to watch if we can get the season this fall and especially even going into next year. Absolutely other one Taiwan Garbutt, you know he is absent right now from the hope these it's it's non covid-19. This one just some family things going on. He's on scholarship he's in school. They don't know if he'll play Garbutt was going to be looked at as that you know potential starter if not first guy in Miss sometime last year.

1:15:50 Are had some really good plays 31 tackle. One sack. I don't think it kills us. Some people think that without him it's going to significantly hurt. I think we read with Belmar, some of the young guys stepping up. You know, Beatles and Brian wootten. It's not going to kill us. So it's again, it's one of those things. If it's a family matter, whether it be a family member, six months things going on. Hey dude, do with the NCAA just said, take your time. Come back, you still have time to play. Yeah, that me even if he decides at some point in the season, if he plays less than 50% of the Season, he's getting this. This this year for free. So he may be able to help us in crunch time if he, you know, feels comfortable with coming back to the team at that point. There's potential there, but obviously we want him to take all the time.

1:16:40 He needs it definitely hurts because I do think he was going to be the guy playing opposite read as the first guy out there. I think that that Belmar does well and I think he's going to be the guy that's going to probably get most of the reps with carpet out, but I would have liked to seen what garbage could do is that first line there and with Belmar being the first guy rotating in. But you know, we'll see what happens, but wish him nothing but the best and, you know, he will Be back with us when he can. So we're also still unfortunately waiting on a NCAA. Waiver for Raheem Blackshear. Just play him, put him out there, see what they say like well we don't have a right, fuck you. You you don't have any control anymore like you just can't play them against UVA so they can't take that away from us. If we win the cup.

1:17:36 Back that's good that to a bitch. Now we one of the field man we won't carry the n-c-double-a says he was ineligible help us do anything. We're trying to get prepared for a season but in reality with the black sheer thing where it's irritating is he put in his request in January and his request was my coach, the guy who recruited me got fired, I belong play there anymore. I don't care who the normal coach change. Usually it's done. He did it in January, JT Daniels, did it in May. He's got approved to his little brother. Did it in May he's got approved.

1:18:18 There's a couple other guys who've got to prove to did it pretty quick. Seems like that the NCAA really don't care about when you do it. It's about who you are in the position you play. So you know what team you're transferring to and from its range. Although it's funny now His little brother can't play this year, bro. But the big piece is just fucking plane. What are they going to do? What can they do? Screw them and it's getting to a point where you know, what they need to do honestly is just go ahead and say any transfer its automatic play. We're not we're not making decision because of this stuff.

1:18:59 Brian coach said, one other thing that kind of caught your ear and then kind of caught your ear about with guy we talked with a couple weeks ago. Yes oh spoiler alerts a all the Hokies out there. There is an open quarterback competition. Now that's what he said and I think this goes back to another problem that coach Fuente sometimes has is that he says something. But means something slightly different and what I think he means here is that you know he's paying lip service to these players. He wants to motivate them. He wants to get the most out of them at practice.

1:19:41 He wants them to push each other, to be the best they can be. And I think that's his way of doing it is saying, essentially, You have to earn this position every day, you're not being given this position. You have to earn it every day. That's not saying that the position is not hinden hookers. I think it is hindon hookers, but I think he wants him to approach each day of practice, like he's still learning that spot. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing, that's your opinion. But I think that's my interpretation. I don't think that there is an open quarterback competition that he doesn't know who his starters going to be. I think he knows and wants his starter to be hitting a hooker but he's not going to start him unless he goes out there and earns that every day and gives him the effort and the performance and practice that he needs to see that that he's progressing forward in his game.

1:20:36 So that's my thought and that goes back to You something when we had John McLaughlin on couple weeks ago he was talking about that when it came to the when coach Vice came in on the offensive line his last year there and saying essentially, you know, none of these positions are set in stone. Heli, what part of the line you play in isn't set in stone. We're going to put the best five out there as far as who's practice. Well that week who's done. Well, we might get to a point where we say, okay, these five are the best five and as long as they're doing the right, Things during the week. Those are the starters but that's not settled until it is settled. And I think you've got this a similar situation here at quarterback where you know, he knows who his best guy is but he wants to keep pushing that best guy to get better.

1:21:23 And he thinks the best way to do that is essentially saying It's yours. You know is not saying it's your spot to lose saying it's open claim it. Yeah. Go out and play and I don't I think Hinton is the starter. I know people talk about, you know, apparently Braxton looked good in practice and stuff. But it's like, you know what Hindu Hendon had you on the verge of 8 wins? No losses. On the verge and you saw his progression and I tell you something, just looking at some of the pictures and some of the videos and then looks like he's got a lot more cut up and dude, somebody set it on Twitter and me and you kind of peaked at at that release. Looks a lot faster than it did last year. I know it's in practice but it just it's almost like looking at things so much quicker man which with who we have it wide out and I know some people think we're We're both in with thin but we have guys if they stay healthy it's a dangerous core. Yeah, so yeah.

1:22:35 All right, Brian anything else, anything dropping while we're sitting here talking watching sports, seeing nothing came across my border. That I feel like we need to talk about. So I think we're good man. So let me ask this guy's Do you think that the Pac-12 in the Big Ten pulled the plug way too soon on the season? My opinion is absolutely. They did way too soon because when we're looking at potentially, you could push this thing back. Six or seven weeks. Yeah. You, you screwed the pooch on that run any time right there with you, man. I mean, if you're talking about, you're starting a season as late as the first or second week in October potentially, and you're making decision now knowing that these There's going to still be on campus but saying you're not going to play football.

1:23:24 Here's my thing. If that's where your that's where your think you're heading, push the start of the Season back, get the kids on campus, give it two to three weeks. See, if there's any sort of surge on campus and then make a decision based on actual numbers and not on whatever your gut feeling is right now. Everything is about risk assessment based on like macro details and not on the micro details of each individual institution in each individual conference. So I feel like they waited, they didn't wait long enough to make the decision that they made because it's a very it's a very drastic decision that's going to impact a lot of different aspects not only of the sport but of each school and their communities.

1:24:17 Absolutely absolutely. Alright. Well that is going to wrap up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast, what do we in about an hour plus? My name is Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Follow us on Twitter. Facebook, subscribe for the podcast on your favorite Source including Spotify and apple podcast. As always we let our friend Jason long place out, catch him on Spotify and apple music. We thank you for listening and as always let's go. Okay.