This week we welcome Cam Lemons Debro from the Demon Deacon Digest and the Inside the Forest podcast to help us get to Know the Enemy ahead of Saturday's tilt against Wake Forest in Blacksburg.
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And welcome back to the Boundary
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Fellas, what's going on?
Victory Podcast.
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A real victory podcast.
What is?
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What is this man?
No one saw this one coming.
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No one saw this one coming, No.
One saw this one coming.
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Everybody was sideways last
week.
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Everybody's down in the dumps.
But that's why you play the game
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right?
That's why you.
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Play the game.
That's why we play the game.
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Yes, I will be turning around
over the next few minutes even
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when our guest is here.
Cameron, appreciate you coming
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on, but I know you're a baseball
fan, so you understand what's
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going on behind me when you come
in here in a second.
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These two guys do as well.
He gave up bases loaded and he
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struck them out.
OK, whatever.
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I'm going to try my best for at
least the first few minutes here
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tonight, but.
We, we, we've got 60% of Curtis
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focus right now.
It's like. 40 is on the TV
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behind.
Him and you know there we go.
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But anyway, like y'all said,
we're going to talk about
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Saturday night in a little while
because it was great.
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It was unexpected, that video.
By the way, if y'all have not
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seen the video, Jordan Long did
go find that immediately.
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Let's just go ahead and.
Talk about how.
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Jordan Jordan long has been
crushing the media this
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offseason.
I mean.
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That was the movie The.
Whole offseason, whole season, I
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mean, he's he's, he is him, he
is, he is doing a lot of lot of
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good content and really selling.
I think what you know, what's
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happening behind the scenes
there, man.
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Yeah, it was an hour long and
I'll take every minute of that
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Look, you know, it was a it was
a long video that I enjoyed
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every second of.
But I will say, I will say not
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to throw too much shade.
I've never seen the coaching
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staff as inspired.
Definitely didn't see the head
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coach as pumped up as I've seen
Monty.
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So yeah, that's true.
That was pretty cool.
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We.
We saw a different level of gas
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for that one and and I'm hoping
that it it sticks around as we
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move into, you know, further
into conference play here with
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Wake Forest coming up.
And I agree.
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Now, Speaking of Wake Forest, we
are going to start off tonight
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with Know the Enemy and we are
bringing on tonight.
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He is a writer for 247.
He also hosts the 247 Inside the
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Forest podcast focusing on Wake
Forest football.
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So let's bring him on Cameron
Lemon Debro.
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Cameron, what is happening
tonight?
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I'm not as busy as you right
now.
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The Braves can't hurt me right
now, but we got anything against
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the Yankees I'm pretty good
with, so I think we're on the
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same page here.
There.
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We go sweet well.
It's got to be one of those NL
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ES power or AL ES powers at
least bossing over the Yankees
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for.
Sure.
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Yeah, it's, it's a lesser of two
evils for me.
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Well.
Listen for every Braves fan
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right?
It's 96 hurt and you ain't
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forgave them yet.
I was one year old.
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I am a tally won't a year old.
We were in the we were in the
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prime of our youth.
Riding bikes like on Stranger
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Things.
That's right. 10:00 and 11:00 we
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were man.
Babies.
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Babies is what you were back
then.
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Cameron, we appreciate you
taking the time tonight to join
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us.
Talk a little bit about Wake
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Forest before we get into a
little bit of everything.
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Give us a little bit about
yourself, how you got to the
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Wake Forest piece here.
And you know, how long have you
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been doing this?
Yeah, so, I mean, grew up in
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Atlanta, funny enough for last
week with Wake.
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I grew up a Georgia Tech fan
right outside of Run Decatur,
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but actually ended up getting in
the wake for undergrad.
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Went there Dave Clawson's first
year in 2014, graduated in 2018.
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So I think around my junior year
when I started working with SB
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Nation with their site, doing
some recruiting stuff and film
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stuff.
And then kind of as things went
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along, you know, COVID was a
big, you know, kind of driver of
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people's lives doing different
ways.
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It was around 2020 is when, you
know, I started having a little
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more time to put more stuff into
film.
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And then 24/7 kind of approached
me like, hey, you know, you're
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doing a good job.
Do you want to come over here,
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do some stuff there?
So really, I'd really say since
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2020 is when I first started,
you know, really dive into the
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way forward speed.
Nice.
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Now are you still living in the
Winston Salem area?
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Have you moved back down to
Atlanta?
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So I was actually covering them
remotely in DC.
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I was up right outside of 14th
St. for a bit, and then now I'm
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down Charlotte.
So I'll make the commute up from
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Charlotte for football,
basketball, whatever I need to
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do.
Awesome.
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Nice, man.
Nice, nice.
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So.
You got this thing going like
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pretty steady for you about the
same time we we we got going.
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So this this podcast opened up
2020, OK.
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Curtis is happy.
We started, we started this show
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about 2020.
So yeah, COVID kind of, you
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know, we, we, we, we got going
just before COVID hit and been
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riding that wave ever since,
man.
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Hey, you know, welcome.
It's it's, it's, it is awesome
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to see.
I think over the last couple
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years, especially Kylie, Brian,
and I can say it's often to see
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other fan bases, fans passionate
about what they do, talking
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their team.
And it's really good because you
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know, we dive into, you know, I
dive into the stats, Shelton
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who's not here tonight, guys
into the analytics tally and
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Brian both played so they can
look at tape and like see who
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they like and who they don't
like, right.
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So it's really nice to have all
this and just it's, it's
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becoming more of a community
because, you know, we can have
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conversations.
Do we want to beat the pants off
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on Saturday?
Yeah.
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Do you want to beat the pants
off on Saturday?
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Absolutely.
I'd enjoy a win.
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I'd enjoy an ACC win.
There you go.
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But you know, it's, it's awesome
to see this and we appreciate
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you taking the time tonight to
jump on with us.
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So now saying that you guys made
a pretty big hire this year with
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Dave Clausen stepping down,
obviously someone you were super
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familiar with and you guys go
way out to Pullman, WA, just
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outspoken where I've got some
friends and you guys, Harold
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hired Jake Dickard first of all,
when it was how did everything
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come down and how are you
feeling so far about that time?
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Yeah, I mean, that first Pete
family tweet of Dave Clawson
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stepping down, I remember I was
at I was doing stuff for my desk
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job and I just happened to open
my phone and I see it for five
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seconds ago and I was like, what
do you mean he's stepping down?
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You know, we're coming off of a
season where we'll back-to-back
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four and eight seasons for Dave
Clawson, things that felt stale.
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It really felt like a really
pivotal offseason for him, you
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know, was he going to change up
things for the staff he had just
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got done, you know, hosting
about, I think 1516 transfer
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portal visitors in his house the
day before.
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So we're all underneath the
impression Dave's coming back
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for next year.
Fine, that happens.
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And you know, it's peak portal
season and you're like, well,
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you don't have time to go on a
full-fledged search.
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And so things kind of snowballed
really quickly.
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I I kind of picked up myself
that from some people that I
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heard that Dicker was one of
them, even the top two, top
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three options.
And it struck me a little bit
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interesting because I've, I've
watched a bit of, you know, the
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the pack 2 as it was last year
and I had really had some fun
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watching, you know, John Mateer,
I really like what they were
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doing and wide receiver Kyle
Williams.
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I thought their corners were
really good.
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I thought there was some good
stuff.
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They fizzled at the end of the
year, but I thought there was
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good stuff happening there.
But obviously money is a big
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driver in what you can do both
and IL wise, institutional wise,
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I know with the big board of
board of trustees meeting
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Virginia Tech has today, trust
me, muddy is is important at all
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levels of everything.
And so I was like, OK, I can see
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it.
But then you have the questions
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of he's never coached past, you
know, Wisconsin is about as far
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as he's ever coached.
And so, you know, coaching
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recruiting in the South, what
kind of staff would he bring in?
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So when they finally announced
it, I was like, OK, I understand
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it, but I think there's some
questions here.
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But from the first day you talk
to him at his introductory press
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conference and then you got to
spring camp, the word, the
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buzzword was energy.
And it was just it was a
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different type of energy that
you could see.
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You know, Dave Clawson wasn't
exactly, you know, done with
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college sports at the time, but
you could tell how he was
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frustrated.
He was a big developmental guy.
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And when you have players like
Sam Hartman, kind of, you know,
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using his last year of
eligibility to go to Notre Dame,
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you know, you have guys like
Jamal Banks leave and up and go
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to Nebraska and you have guys
just they're leaving your
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program you've built up and you
have to pick and choose who you
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can keep because some everyone's
getting poached left and right.
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It it's really, it really kind
of took a toll on him.
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And but I think what you saw
with Jake Dicker was a guy who's
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been brought up in the NIL era.
You know, he's a young coach, He
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understands, you know, what it's
like to be Aceo type of head
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coach.
And so I thought at first you
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you people really enjoyed the
enthusiasm.
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Then the first couple of games
of the season happened and you
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were like, woof, what's what's
going on here?
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You have a 8:50 nail biting win
over Kennesaw State.
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You know again, Atlanta native.
Not sure if Kennesaw State's in
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the same waters of where you
want to be having a slugfest
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with you.
Come back next week and have a
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rain delayed.
Pretty much just butt whooping
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of Western Carolina.
It's great.
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And then you have a Thursday
night, everyone's pumped up for
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ESPN game against NC State.
You come out in the first half,
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you return the opening kick for
a touchdown.
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Your next opening, your next
drive is a is a is a is a long
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touchdown touchdown driver.
Just say you're feeling great.
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And then in the second-half, you
don't get a first down.
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Other than a targeting penalty,
that's the only first you got in
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the second-half.
You know, things start sour.
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And then you have a team like
Georgia Tech coming in last week
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where they want to drag you into
a bar fight.
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They want to just be tougher
than you every single down.
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And while you know, some some
shenanigans happen towards the
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end of that game, I think, you
know, moral victories are dumb.
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They're super dumb.
But Wake proved down to down.
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They were very willing to be
that I did that toughness.
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They were they had that identity
of we don't care how tough you
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are.
We're going to be just as tough
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of you, if not tougher.
And I think that started getting
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people a little bit back to, OK,
remember, this is year one.
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I understand what they're trying
to build too.
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So it's been a little bit of a
roller coaster.
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But I think last week, even with
the law started saying, OK, this
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is the idea of what we want.
Before we jump into talking
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about the offense a little bit,
I want to circle back to Georgia
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Tech and last week and the
controversy towards the end of
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that one with the offside.
I'm going to kind of just give
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you the floor here and let you
vent a little bit and talk, talk
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that through and kind of what
the perspective is from both the
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Wake Forest fan and kind of the
fan base in general.
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Yeah, I mean it, it was tough
because I think where my seat
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was, I'm pretty much on that
line where play happened.
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And so when he jumped offside,
you could just see everyone in
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the cross box going, OK, this
game's just over.
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It was in the game.
Everyone was like, OK, cool,
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we're all starting to write and
figure and be like, this is this
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is done.
And then you don't see a flag go
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up.
You're just kind of confused.
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And I personally have they
didn't show it on the broadcast.
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I've never seen Jake Dickard in
the four games that animated of
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what's going on here.
Robbie Astor was the same way.
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You know, come to find out on
Monday, not only do they have to
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admit that they messed up the,
the lack of an onsize offsize
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call, there was API on the play
too of the receiver that was
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being thrown at.
And they were just like, and you
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can when you go back and watch
it, you, you start seeing, hey,
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why is that corner playing?
Like the only thing he needs to
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do is just not give up a
touchdown.
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Like why, why is he all of a
sudden just grabbing and
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basically almost throwing him to
the ground?
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You know, it's tough because
they it's really tough.
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Because they thought.
Yeah, I mean, he was playing
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that way because he knew his guy
jumped offsides.
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That's the What do you do when
your guy jumps off sides?
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Make sure you do anything but
give him a touchdown because
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that's the only thing that
matters.
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There Well Cameron, don't feel
bad because week 4-5 last year
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we were in the same.
The ACC made a business decision
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on Saturday.
With y'all.
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It was tough.
They did against Miami last
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year.
With us, it was just like.
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The, that Miami, that, that
Miami game was, was really,
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really hard to watch, 'cause I,
I'm sitting there, I'm sitting
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there with actually a couple of
my Virginia Tech friends that
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are down here in Charlotte.
And I was just kind of sat there
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with them and was like, I'm not
going to say anything if you
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don't, right?
We're good.
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Anger.
A lot of anger.
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That night, it's tough, but it's
tough.
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And then, you know, sometimes
you want to, you know, you don't
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want to be the guy that's always
complaining about the refs.
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And I do think there was some
stuff on the field that wig
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frankly left on the field.
And so there's some parts to me
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that go, you shouldn't have
gotten to that point.
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And then there's also sometimes
where I go, well, you know, I do
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agree because Jake Dicker talked
about it on Monday where he
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thought that, you know, one of
the big changes for college
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football is for for penalties
like that.
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It's a it's that's not a
judgement call.
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You're offsides, you're not,
you're in the neutral zone.
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You're not you fall starter, not
give them a challenge flag for
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stuff like that.
I think that's a pretty easy way
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to go.
Look, I can do this.
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Throw a challenge flag.
This review takes 20 seconds.
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It's not a judgement call.
Good.
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I think that's something,
especially because this is the
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second week in a row we've seen
kind of a pretty obvious
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offsides not be called and it
lead to a game changing play.
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So I, I think something like
that could easily be done
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versus, you know, putting out a
statement through someone else
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and then going all right, Oh,
you good.
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Oops.
We're sorry.
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I mean, it doesn't matter now.
Like, no, you know, apologizing
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for it after the fact doesn't
really change the outcome, so.
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I hate when they do that.
I hate whenever they know they
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mess up and then they'll come
and say, well, we messed up.
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No shit you messed up.
You screwed up a whole game.
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You know, Auburn got done
similar to, you know, they had
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some stuff happen against
Oklahoma last week and I'm like,
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why even come out with a
statement?
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It don't matter.
Are you going to pay them or you
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can get them to win?
You know you.
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Reverse everything.
For a team like Wake, that's,
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you know, the one of the big
goals of the year is making a
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bowl game.
You look at the schedule and
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you're like, you know what,
getting the 6th, you know, if
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Wake ends up this season at 5:00
and 7:00, you look at that game
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a lot and you're you're a little
a little more upset afterwards.
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Oh, yeah.
And, and I mean, you know, we
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saw it last week, last year with
Miami.
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It's like, I mean, and, and we
admitted and you talked about it
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earlier, like there were plenty
of opportunities where we could
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have won that game without it
coming down to that situation.
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But at the same time, I mean,
especially in your case, I mean,
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it was, you know, right there
very easy there.
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There was, there was no there,
there, there was no question
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about what that call should have
been.
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So you kind of feel bad for
y'all, obviously.
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I mean, I think that's one that,
you know, hopefully you don't
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end up looking at the end of the
year like you said and sitting
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at 5:00 and 7:00, you're like,
oh man, we could have, could
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have been bowl eligible with
that.
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One that'll that'll be a great
final press conference with Jake
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Dicker of the season if that
happens.
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Oh yeah.
Right, well, man, we're going to
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switch gears a little bit and
just talk a little bit about
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your OC before I let you get the
floor.
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I will say I'm I know a little
bit about Mr. Mr. Ezel, Curtis
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or Brian.
Do y'all know what his claim to
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fame is?
Other than Rob.
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Ezel.
At South Alabama.
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And he was in South Alabama.
So he went.
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A little further back to.
Alabama, he went to Alabama, he
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walked on to Alabama, played on
the national championship team.
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And if you go to YouTube right
now and you Google or you go to
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YouTube and you put his name in,
that's going to pull up a whole
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bunch of videos of him
impersonating Nick Saban.
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So that is his claim to fame.
He was.
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In the.
Locker room, Yeah, he was in the
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locker room.
I mean, it was everywhere.
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He was in the locker room.
I'm talking about imitating
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Nick.
You know, they talked to Nick
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about it a lot during that time.
I think it was O 9 when it
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happened, but a really cool
video, you know, just kids
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having fun at that time.
Like you said, he did go to
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South, he did go to South
Alabama.
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He got the quarterback paid
pretty good to go to UNC.
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So I know a little bit about
him, like I said, because he's
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been around these areas, but I
will throw it over the camera
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and let him tell us a little bit
about his OC and what he likes
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or doesn't like or what he's
been seeing as of lately.
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Yeah, I mean with Rob, there's
some growing pains you have to
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obviously expect.
You know, he was a first time
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play caller last year at South
Alabama, had some really fun off
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really fun offense.
You know, Gio was really good.
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He not doesn't look great this
year, but Gio looked really good
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last year.
Fluff Bothwell, who I think is
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now at Mississippi State was a
really good running back back
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had a 2 headed guy there.
You know, he's had he's had a
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fun offense last year and I
think he started bringing that
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over here to Wake Forest.
I think part of the ups and
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downs have been partially, you
know, he'll admit there's some
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there's sometimes.
He hasn't put people in the
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right places, but you know, with
what he calls a power spread,
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which I kind of likened to a
triple option.
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Just in the modern version, you
know, there are a lot of moving
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pieces.
You've got a quarterback like
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Robbie Ashford who you know, you
can move him around the pocket,
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you can put him in a true, you
know, real, just a read option
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and true in the speed option.
You've got a guy like Damon
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Claiborne who one of the best
running backs in the ACC.
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You can, you can move him around
there.
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Guys like Chris Barnes, Michael
Mays, There's a lot of moving
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parts there.
They they brought in some some
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offensive lineman that I think
that's made some interesting
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adjustments in terms of just
cohesiveness.
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But with Rob himself, I think
it's been the good has been
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explosives.
I think there was some graphs I
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kind of, I kind of retweeted the
other day that Wake explosive
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wise is on the same level as
Ohio State this year.
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They've been a very, very, very
explosive team.
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The problem and you know part of
it again has been play calling
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some some of it has just been
execution as well has been they
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are operating on the same
success rate as you know, Iowa
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and Kentucky.
Oh, that's kind of so it's like
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you know what you're you're
hitting some deep balls or
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hitting some really big ruins.
That's great.
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But down to down hasn't really
been that that great.
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And I think sometimes it is a
OK, look, it's first and 10.
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Let's just get let's just get
into the flow of the offense.
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You know, I think sometimes
they're they get away from a
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demon or Ty Clark or even a QB
run from time to time.
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And then sometimes it's you
know, you look around and you
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see a left guard kind of on his
ass and you see a center getting
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pushed back a couple yards and
you're like, OK, So there's
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there's a lot of moving pieces
in terms of what could be
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better.
And I think we've seen some
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really high highs and especially
in the last two weeks of guys
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just, you know, I think Robbie
the last, you know, the first
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half of NC State and most of the
game last week looked pretty
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good throwing the ball and
running the ball.
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I think there's definitely
sometimes where it's just little
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things like especially the red
zone.
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I think, you know, we'll
probably talk about it later.
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I think that's probably where
this game's going to be won in
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the red zone makes 133rd in the
red zone offense.
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When it comes to scoring
touchdowns, there are, I
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believe, three teams worse than
them.
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They are combined 2 and 10.
So you know, you're you're maybe
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a little bit fortunate to be two
and two and two, but you're
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you're doing everything right to
get there.
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It's just finishing there.
I think that might if, if they
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can with that switch with him, I
think that might be what it
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unlocks that offense.
Yeah, gentlemen, you mentioned
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that.
Well, yeah, I was gonna
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actually, that was one of the
things I pulled out doing my
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research this week, that lows
69% conversion.
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The one thing I'll tell you
about is guess who's 134 in red
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zone defense?
That sucks.
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If you get down there, we let
teams score.
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But I want to talk about one of
the guys you already mentioned
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because he was a guy Virginia
Tech almost landed.
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That's Damon Claiborne, and he
is having another good season.
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Y'all did not lose him.
He's actually from a little town
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called King William, where me
and Brian's friend Derek grew
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up.
Just West of here.
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Literally, they want.
I'm I'm a 15 minute drive from.
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From he's a 15 minute drive from
it and it is a small country
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school.
But why did he say because if
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you look at his, you know,
numbers over the three years at
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weight, he's put up good
numbers.
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You know, 1000 yard rusher last
year.
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How did y'all hold on to him for
this last ride down at weight?
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I think first and foremost, you
know, their degree, if you, if
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you, I had I, that Damon's
recruitment was one that I was
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really kind of involved in.
His mother wanted him to get a
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Wake Forest degree.
I think he, he, they really
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wanted him to get just a degree
from a top.
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Not saying Virginia Tech's not a
good one, but I think it's, you
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know, you, when you had options
like Wake, Virginia, Virginia
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Tech, you know, when you end up
at Wake, you're already there.
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Why not finish what you started?
And I think that's something
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00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,760
we've heard from Damon
Quaybourne before is I want to
444
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,240
finish what I started here.
I think Wynn also, you know, he
445
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,800
said he was coming back before
Dave Boss had stepped down.
446
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,800
I do think having a new style of
offense with Jake Dickard and
447
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,320
Robbie Zell has also helped also
helped him tell him a little bit
448
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,320
more, not just saying, you know
what, we're going to give you
449
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280
the ball 40 * a game.
Hope you stay.
450
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
But I think just in terms of,
you know, there have been some
451
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,680
back and forth between, you
know, does does the slow match
452
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,920
to RIP, you know, help hurt
running backs in terms of their
453
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,840
decision making?
And when you're a guy like Damon
454
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,520
who has really good patience,
really good balance, really good
455
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,280
feet, you know, it really shines
in that slow mesh.
456
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,760
But also now instead of you
running just inside zone or just
457
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,240
outside zone, now you're running
counter, Now you're running
458
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,040
power.
Now you're really get into these
459
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,920
run concepts that you're
probably going to be running at
460
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,360
the next level.
Then all of a sudden you're
461
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:49,440
like, OK, you know, I think this
might be, you know, I can, I can
462
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,920
go do this, this an Oregon.
I can go to this in Michigan.
463
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,280
You know, I can go to this
anywhere else.
464
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,280
I'm already comfortable here.
They've put me in a great
465
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,520
position to succeed.
Why not stay here for my final
466
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,040
year, get my degree, do the best
I can and then go?
467
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,760
I'll go from there.
Absolutely.
468
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,280
And, and so far this year, I
mean, he, he's touched the ball
469
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,080
58 times and I'm doing the
mathematics here for basically
470
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,120
right about 7.3 per touch, which
means when he gets it, he's
471
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,960
getting up field.
Now, Brian, what did I know?
472
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,240
You wanted to hit on something
here?
473
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Before we yeah, I just want to
talk a little bit about the
474
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,920
offensive line.
I know you said there's been a
475
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,040
little bit of inconsistency
there.
476
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,560
You talked about some some guys
on their ass earlier, but give
477
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,240
us a a picture of of what that
offensive line is look like.
478
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,360
I know like historically, what I
think what is kept weight pretty
479
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,560
competitive is that you guys
have done pretty well in the
480
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,960
trenches on both sides of the
ball.
481
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,760
So I'm, I'm interested to see
what, what that offensive line
482
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,440
is looking like and how you feel
about that.
483
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,440
You know, sounds like, you know,
Claiborne's definitely getting
484
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080
his his yards per carry there.
So it's got to be something
485
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,520
going pretty well for them.
Oh, yeah, I mean, you start with
486
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,360
that left tackle, Melton Siani,
who you know, they brought up
487
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080
from, I believe Temple was
played for a year.
488
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,960
There was a was a right tackle
moved over to left tackle this
489
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,400
year and had performed so well
in fall camp that if The
490
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Athletic reported it, they
actually renegotiated his deal
491
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480
because they were like, look, we
don't want to go to the portal
492
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280
after this year to get another
left tackle.
493
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Let's just go ahead lock you up.
And he's pretty much been worth
494
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,560
that, you know, in terms of
being a good left tackle.
495
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,360
Center has been Deva Kalani, one
of their cap, one of the
496
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:29,800
captains.
He's been up and down.
497
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
That's someone that I think they
expect a little more of, you
498
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,120
know, in terms of their last
week was a really tough match up
499
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,480
for him.
And he battled.
500
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,680
There were times that, you know,
he pushed a really good
501
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,800
defensive tackle back and
sometimes he got pushed 2 yards
502
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,120
back.
But I think it's, you know,
503
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,120
expecting a little more out of
him is OK.
504
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Right guard George Sell, guy
that's been with the program
505
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,360
since Dave Clausman was there.
He was the only holdover starter
506
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,360
on the line.
He's been good because you have
507
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,360
really noticed him.
I know offensive line is a very,
508
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800
very one.
You either see pancakes or you
509
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,040
see, you know, someone on their
ass with them.
510
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600
It's been, you know what, I
don't notice you a lot.
511
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160
And that's a really good thing
because you're just sitting
512
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640
there, you're doing your job.
And that's kind of how George
513
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Sell has been.
He's put his head down.
514
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,240
He's been a really hard worker
at right guard.
515
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,480
Right tackle was their big money
addition, GOAT money.
516
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,600
In terms of Lily, Felipe Famo,
they beat out.
517
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,160
He came over from Washington
State.
518
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000
He beat out, they beat out what,
Nebraska, LSU for him as well.
519
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,480
They wanted him as a left half
or right Taco as well.
520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,120
And I think Lily is playing.
Very good.
521
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Yeah, the first game he did not
have a good game.
522
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,240
But since then, Lili has been a
very, very, very good tackle.
523
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,240
And I think someone that you
could probably hear his name
524
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,000
being called on day three of the
NFL draft next year if he keeps
525
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,040
this up.
It's been it's been really good.
526
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Left guard's been the spot that
people have not so much worried
527
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,440
about, but it's just the most
fluid 1.
528
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,880
So he started out the year this
the year with Clinton Richard,
529
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,680
you know, who was a second year
guy out of Atlanta, Fairburn
530
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,320
Heights, I believe, you know,
really good guy, you know, big,
531
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
big strong, had some solid P4
offers.
532
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,960
And then, you know, had an
injury.
533
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,320
I think he broke his leg
essentially.
534
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200
He broke his ankle on the like
the last drive of the first game
535
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
of the of the season.
And it was tough because they'd
536
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
already lost two guys that were
kind of fighting for that
537
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,880
position too.
They had both medically retired.
538
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560
So you're now down to 1/3 option
there.
539
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
He he's out for the season.
You bring in a guy like George
540
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,920
Stee, who has, you know, he's
shifting over from tackle and
541
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,960
you can see some really good
things and some really not good
542
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,080
things out of a guy that frankly
was kind of your fourth option
543
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,080
there.
You know, you've seen some
544
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,760
really good of when they pull
him, he pulls really well.
545
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720
He moves really well for a
guard.
546
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
But then sometimes it's
technique, You know, it's not
547
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440
easy going from being a tackle
to being a guard.
548
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560
It's just, it's, it's just a
different type of technique and
549
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
you can see it a little bit when
he, some people kind of power
550
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,360
rush him a bit of Nope, I can't
just just go after him.
551
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,480
I got to make sure I'm actually
using the correct technique.
552
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,920
So I think that's a little, a
little tough because I think
553
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Wake went into the season
thinking they'd have 8 to 9 guys
554
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,160
that, you know, they could
rotate in and that whittled down
555
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,200
to about 5 or 6 within about 3
weeks.
556
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
So it's been good.
I think there are times and I
557
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920
think that's part of the red
zone worry as well as, you know,
558
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,040
there's, there's a play I, I
pulled yesterday from, from
559
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Saturday, that was, you know, if
one guy doesn't get pushed back
560
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,520
by two yards, the, the tackle,
the tight end can come across,
561
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,520
get his block Mons in for a
touchdown.
562
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Just little things like that in,
in specific areas that I think
563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,200
if they, if they fix that, you
know, I think that makes it go a
564
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,560
little more.
And the man behind the line and
565
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,680
you know, in the backfield with
with Claiborne is, is why Robbie
566
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Ashford, Alabama legend.
He went to Hoover High School
567
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,960
here.
You know, everybody probably
568
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,080
knows of Hoover High School if
you know anything about, you
569
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,000
know, Alabama and Alabama high
school.
570
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,000
But he's a legend because he has
been to 95 schools.
571
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Robbie Ashford graduated 4 star,
went to Oregon, played baseball.
572
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:09,120
We actually committed to Ole
Miss, ended up at Oregon, played
573
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,320
baseball at Oregon.
Then he decided just to focus on
574
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,720
football, transferred to Auburn.
A lot of people at Auburn like
575
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,640
them and what he did.
But again, he can move, man.
576
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,960
He'll get out of the pocket.
And you know, sometimes down
577
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,160
here, it's like they want
somebody to, they want Greg
578
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520
McElroy, they want somebody to
sit back and throw the ball.
579
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,840
So left, left Auburn.
I went to South Carolina.
580
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,920
Am I correct there?
South Carolina, Yeah.
581
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,920
South Carolina to to wait.
So he's kind of been, you know,
582
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,920
all over the place, but a
talented kid, man.
583
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,360
I mean, you can see last week he
got hurt before he got hurt, you
584
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,360
can see what was happening and
then he gets hurt and he's still
585
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400
gutting through it with that big
ass brace on.
586
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,520
I think Robbie is is a person to
watch.
587
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,440
I don't know how banged up he
and Claiborne to be, but they've
588
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760
got a good backfield between
those two guys.
589
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,520
So I'll just let you talk a lot.
I'll let you talk a little bit
590
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400
about Robbie as well.
What he's brought, you know,
591
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Robbie, as you mentioned, he's a
journeyman.
592
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,480
There's only so much you can,
and I don't mean it's derogatory
593
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
wise, but there's only so much
you really expect out of a
594
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000
journeyman quarterback.
You know, at a certain point you
595
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
kind of are who you are in that
journey.
596
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,240
And I think, you know, during
spring and fall camp, they tried
597
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,480
to put him in a little bit of a
box he wasn't meant to be in.
598
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,040
It was a, you know, we're going
to try and make you a pocket
599
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,080
passer here and there.
And it's just that's just not
600
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
strength.
And we saw a kind of, you know,
601
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
the first half of NC State and
in this game against Georgia
602
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Tech, where if you get him on
the move, this guy is that's
603
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,200
he's going to be 1 of, if not
the best athlete on the field.
604
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440
And it was, it was actually kind
of funny.
605
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Funny you brought up the the
baseball stuff, the play he gets
606
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,880
hurt on, he actually feels a bad
snap like a like 1/3 baseman.
607
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,640
He feels it just directly to 3rd
baseman and just takes off for
608
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,360
about 30-40 yards down the field
before he ended up getting hurt.
609
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
And so you see the athleticism
jumping at you.
610
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,720
I think some of the, you know,
the, the negative has been kind
611
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,200
of the short to intermediate
game.
612
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,200
You know, I think, you know,
screen passes haven't really
613
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
been kind to him.
You know, sometimes decision
614
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640
making when they've tried to put
him in some RPO stuff hasn't
615
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,640
been the best.
And I think last on Saturday
616
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
they did a good job of taking
that away, taking that toy away
617
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480
from him.
But that's where you see the
618
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
growth and where he's been good
at kind of his entire career.
619
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,960
He's one of the best passers for
PFF in terms of the deep ball
620
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
because if you, if you have him,
Aaron, Aaron and out this guy, I
621
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,440
think, I think I wrote it down
the other day was I think 22nd
622
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440
time for 22nd best in terms of
PFF grade.
623
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160
You know, he's got 6 big time
throws, doesn't have a turnover
624
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,480
where they play when he, when he
throws downfield for whatever
625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,880
reason, if you ask him to have a
little stop and go route, he's
626
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,840
going to put that on the money.
And I think that's something
627
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,840
that I think wakes really liked
because it's, it's when you're
628
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,840
someone that wants to run the
ball as much as with demonically
629
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,800
born with Robbie Ashford, you
got to do something to get
630
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560
people to back off of you.
And I think they've done a
631
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200
really, I've been charting kind
of all season of they've done a
632
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160
really good job of, and
especially with Rob, they've
633
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920
done a really good job of when
teams try to stack 7-8 in the
634
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
box.
Just saying, OK, if you keep
635
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
doing that, I'm just going to
hit you over the top and like,
636
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,640
we're going to keep doing this
until you stop it.
637
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400
And so I think that's been one
of the best things about Ravi is
638
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,040
he has been able to punish, you
know, teams when they've tried
639
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
to take away what people think
WIG wants to do this year.
640
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Absolutely.
Now you, you mentioned about the
641
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,440
struggle with the intermediate
routes and everything and you
642
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,920
know it, it, it's reflected
there, you know, 59%
643
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360
completions.
It's also reflected in when you
644
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,200
look at your leading receivers,
Devin Claiborne's second leading
645
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960
receiver on the team reception
wise.
646
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,720
So I'm going to turn this over
to you, Jimmy, one of your
647
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,440
receivers that you feel if they
have a good game Saturday, you
648
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,000
feel better about your chances
to win.
649
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760
It's tough because the easy
answer is Chris Barnes.
650
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,639
Little scatter bug that's 585.
Not on a good day.
651
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,440
I'm going to go Micah Mays
though.
652
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:18,199
I think Micah is someone that
he's about 6263 ish, 190 lbs and
653
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,679
we've really started seeing some
big plays out of in the last few
654
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,679
weeks of just, you know, with
Chris, you know, he's like I
655
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,520
said, he's 5859.
You can you can't catch him if
656
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,600
the dude ran like AA1019100
meter dash.
657
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000
He's just fast.
With Micah, he was a long jumper
658
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,960
in high school.
So he's got the explosive and
659
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,159
not so much the speed.
And I think being able sometimes
660
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,560
when you don't get someone
necessarily schemed open.
661
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,760
And I think Virginia Tech's
going to do a good job of not
662
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440
necessarily just busting
coverages, having a guy that can
663
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360
just go up and get a jump ball.
And I think Micah does a really,
664
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,480
really good job.
But he's some really good hands
665
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
on him.
He's got he's, he's taking some
666
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
hits over them over the middle.
They love running some little
667
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,280
mesh rail with him.
And he's always finding that
668
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,880
little soft, soft bar of the
zone.
669
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
But I think Micah, you know, if
they can, if you really can get
670
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,720
him going, you know, and I don't
think, you know, getting going
671
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,880
is 10 is 10 catches.
That's just not how Wade's going
672
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,840
to operate.
But if you can get him going,
673
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,640
you know, four or five catches
and get to that 7080 yard mark,
674
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,000
I think Wade feels like they're
in a pretty good place right
675
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,720
there.
All right, so we'll make that
676
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,360
note, Micah Maze.
And before Brian jumps on the
677
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,400
defense, just one last question.
What is what's going to be the
678
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120
status of Robbie Asher?
We know he's banged up, but
679
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Thursday again, it's the ACC.
Now we're going to figure we're
680
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,440
going to get to see the injury
report.
681
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,400
What do you think he's listed as
Thursday we're.
682
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,800
We're going to see both him and
Damon Claiborne listen as the
683
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,280
questionable.
I don't care if Robbie, Robbie
684
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,080
told us in the in the post game
press conference on Friday, as
685
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880
long as I'm not on Saturday, as
long as I'm not dead, I'm going
686
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,160
to go out there and play on
Saturday.
687
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,680
So, you know, I, I have a, a lot
more of an expectation of Robbie
688
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
playing more or less just
because we've talked to him with
689
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200
demand.
I think it'll be a full, you
690
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,800
know, he'll be queue and then
they're not going to tip their
691
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,320
hand until they absolutely have
to.
692
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,120
Right.
Sounds good, man.
693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,240
Sounds good.
Yeah, we'll, we'll see what ours
694
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,360
looks like because we're in a
situation where we're still
695
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
waiting to see are the guys that
were out last week, guys that
696
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,120
are going to hit.
The portal, Portal.
697
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Are they here guys that are
going to actually, you know,
698
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
yeah.
So we're we're we're still
699
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,000
playing wait and see on our side
as well.
700
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,200
So let's flip it over to
defense.
701
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,720
We got Scotty Hazleton,
defensive coordinator.
702
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,880
He's been coached a good while.
He's got a fun beard to look at
703
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,400
too.
I got, you know, got got got to
704
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,400
respect the Beard game there.
But he's had several P4 stops
705
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,760
before getting to Wake Forest.
Tell us a little bit about his
706
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,360
defense and what he brings to
the table.
707
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Yeah, I think Scotty Hazleton
has done a really good job of
708
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,400
reinventing himself, I think at
Michigan State, You know, I when
709
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,240
he when he was at Kansas State,
I think he was a really good
710
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,240
defensive coordinator.
I think the stop at Michigan
711
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,280
State, whatever was happening
with him and Mel Tucker and that
712
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,360
entire program just wasn't
working.
713
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Just wasn't working because it
was just yards after yards after
714
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,720
breakdown after breakdown after
touchdown.
715
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,680
And you know, granted, again,
you know, Wig hasn't seen the
716
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,720
best offense in the world with
this team just yet, but one
717
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,160
thing they've been excellent at
doing is just preventing
718
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360
explosives.
This team just does not give up
719
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,760
explosive plays through the
ground, through the air.
720
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,080
You're not going to it.
It'll be once in a blue moon
721
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
before you hit a 4050 yard play
on them.
722
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,560
They it just doesn't happen.
And so I think Scotty's done a
723
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,320
really good job of reinventing
himself.
724
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,320
He was a guy that ran a lot of
Tampa 2, which, you know, Tampa
725
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
two could be cover 3.
There's a whole other stuff
726
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520
about that.
He, but he ran a lot of Cover 2
727
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,200
this year.
He has been, I love that there's
728
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
a lot of King William kids going
to see Blacksburg today on this
729
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,720
weekend.
This year it's been a lot of
730
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,640
cover one.
He's run some cover one.
731
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,360
He's gone to cover 3 from time
to time, but Wake's been a
732
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,480
really heavy cover one team this
year, which I think is pretty
733
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,480
interesting.
That's not something I don't
734
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
think Wake would really ever
dare to run.
735
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,520
I don't think Wake people ever
think Wake has the personnel to
736
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,840
run a true Cover 3 at time press
man sort of thing.
737
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680
But he he's really trust trusted
his receivers.
738
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,360
I mean, it's going to be his
quarterbacks and they've
739
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,480
rewarded him more than often.
He's trusted his run defense.
740
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,760
And, you know, I think it's a
thing of it's it's still kind of
741
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
on an edge because I think
Wake's done a really good job of
742
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
limiting damage.
They're one of the best teams at
743
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
not giving up touchdowns in the
red zone.
744
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,720
They're one of the best teams on
not getting explosives and
745
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,320
they're pretty good on 3rd
downs.
746
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
The problem is they'll be out
there for a little bit and part
747
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,280
of it's the offense, part of
it's their own doing on defense
748
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,440
for missing tackles of, you
know, sometimes it's a, it's a
749
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,000
critical 3rd and like 3 or 4 and
they're giving it up.
750
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
And it's, that's why it's a
little interesting when you look
751
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,680
at wakes yards per game, they're
all, they're probably middle of
752
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,520
the pack.
When you look at their EPA,
753
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,040
they're, you know, down towards
the bottom of the country and
754
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
it's they're giving up yards and
they're fine.
755
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960
But it's sometimes the the they
break at the wrong time that's
756
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,760
been that's what's kind of kept
them from being that next
757
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,800
echelon of good defense.
Yeah, and, and something we hit
758
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280
on beforehand and you, you
immediately just shook your head
759
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,360
as soon as I said it.
You know, teams running the
760
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,800
ball, I think right at 54% of
the time against Wake 140, which
761
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,920
isn't bad.
But I think what you're saying
762
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
in this case is the numbers
don't look bad, but it's the
763
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,040
crucial situation.
It's like you said, third and
764
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,160
two we're missing an attack on
It's like you want to bang your
765
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,920
head against the wall when that
happens.
766
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,480
And we do the same on this side.
But let's talk about three guys.
767
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Well, I'm I want to talk about
three guys.
768
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560
These two may have somebody else
want to talk about, but I'll
769
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
talk about three guys that had
really good games last week that
770
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,400
kind of showed out.
And the first is Quincy Bryant.
771
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,520
You know, give give a little
background on him, but maybe so
772
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,400
much.
Why did he have such a good game
773
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,120
against Georgia Tech?
Yeah, I think with Quincy, he's
774
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,400
been someone that's been with,
he's another person that that
775
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
has been he's grown up with the
Wake Forest program coming from
776
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Parkview High School outside of
Atlanta, really smart,
777
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,160
intelligent kid.
And he's someone that that has
778
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,360
he hasn't fallen out of being a
starter, but they've they've
779
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
been trying to run kind of a two
by two side kind of things.
780
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
You know, there's Aiden Hall and
Dylan Hayes and are set.
781
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,880
Him and Frank Cusano are set and
Frank Cusano kind of missed the
782
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,960
game.
We'll see if we'll play this
783
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,240
week and.
The thing with Quincy I've I've
784
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,960
noticed is when Quincy's been
expected to play about 7580
785
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
snaps a game, he just, it just
hasn't been great, which I don't
786
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,600
think for anyone it's great.
But when you've kept him around
787
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,360
that 30 to 40 sort of reps, he's
been really good.
788
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,800
He is, he's he's fresh.
He's a really good tackler.
789
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Like I said, he's a smart kid.
So he's very aware of what's
790
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
going on.
I think he was a corner.
791
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,080
He he played a lot when he was
at Parkview.
792
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
He played corner, he played
safety, then he tried to
793
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,960
transition down the linebacker.
So he's got kind of skills to be
794
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,800
all over the place.
And it I think just with the
795
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,280
game against the, you know,
hometown team and Georgia Tech
796
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,960
probably fired him up a little
bit, but just a team that he
797
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160
doesn't really have to be
worrying about.
798
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Am I going to drop back this
game?
799
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Am I going to go forward?
I don't have to put a guess and
800
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920
check is no, I need to go
forward and go find wherever
801
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,560
Haynes King is.
I think that's a style of game
802
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,400
where and I think, you know,
that's someone we're going to
803
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,760
look forward to.
When you're talking about a big
804
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,680
dude in Tyron drones where look,
just go and get him.
805
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,320
I think that's that's somewhere
where where Quincy Bryant really
806
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,240
likes to shine.
Yeah, and, and Quincy last week,
807
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,000
just so everybody knows why I
focused on him, 11 combined
808
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,280
tackles, had a TfL in there as
well.
809
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Was literally, and we know the
way Georgia Tech likes to play,
810
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000
you're getting 11 tackles.
That is, you were in on a lot of
811
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,080
plays with the way Georgia Tech
runs defense.
812
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,400
And so not even telling that TfL
was on a fourth and one too.
813
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Hanes King went on a QB power
and and Quincy just got just
814
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,360
shot through a gap and just got
there.
815
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,800
There we go.
Nice Cali, Brian, who you want
816
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,880
to talk about next?
Yeah, I mean, let's let's talk
817
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,360
about Ron Pruitt, defensive
back.
818
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,840
He he had another big game
against against Georgia Tech.
819
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
What sort of skill set does he
bring to the table for Wake
820
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,960
Forest?
Karon so Prunty is a is a guy
821
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,640
that it's very funny that he
ended up at Wake Forest.
822
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,040
So Wake actually played North
Carolina A&T last year and I
823
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,200
believe their opener and Dave
Clawson's going through, you
824
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
know, making them look like like
every coach does, making their
825
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,160
their team seem like the 85
Dolphins.
826
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,240
It's it's it's great.
And he thought he gets the prony
827
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,240
and he goes, yeah, no, that
dude's got to get a better draft
828
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,240
rate than any of our
quarterbacks and just is a fairy
829
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,640
stoneface.
And we're like, oh, no, he's not
830
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,760
fluffing.
He's got this guy up.
831
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,520
He's like, that dude's good.
And so when the portal hits, I'm
832
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,960
like, OK, let's see what this
what's going on with this guy?
833
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,800
He ends up at at Wake and you're
like, how are you at North
834
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Carolina A&T?
He was a freshman All American
835
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,680
when he was at Kansas.
He's kind of dropped down to A&T
836
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,000
for a bit, but he's a legitimate
616-2190.
837
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,600
Like he is a big corner.
He's strong.
838
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800
He's not afraid to get in
someone's face.
839
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640
And I think that's something you
see when he's going back and
840
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,320
forth with other wide receivers
is, you know, I think a lot of
841
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,200
time people have have it's hard
to find a 6162 corner.
842
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,320
Like when you're that big, it's
hard to move, it's hard to be as
843
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,720
flexible.
It's hard to have the right
844
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,800
stride.
I think Quran has does a good
845
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,160
job of putting all those things
together and that allows him to
846
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,520
work against these wide
receivers that are 6263 and can
847
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,400
run.
I think that's been a that was a
848
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880
really good thing, you know,
from last, from last game and
849
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040
the game before where he's just
not going to be afraid of
850
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,560
anyone.
I guess he doesn't really care.
851
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,760
Every time you ask him about,
you know, why do you want to
852
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,720
come back to the P4 level?
And he's like, that's, this is
853
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,840
where I, I feel like I belong.
And he, he feels like he needs
854
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040
to show that every single week.
Yeah.
855
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,960
And I mean around this part like
a lot of people were kind of
856
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,400
upset that when the recruiting
was going on for Friday that
857
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,600
that he was somebody that we
missed on or didn't really
858
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,800
pursue with the with the vigor,
I think a lot of people wanted
859
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,040
to.
So seeing him kind of circle
860
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,320
back around there is really
interesting.
861
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,920
From Portsmouth and of course he
went to Norcom.
862
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840
So, but you mentioned him about
being out with Kansas.
863
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,800
I mean, he did it last week
against GT3 past deflections
864
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360
back in 2020.
And I know that was an awkward
865
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,880
season, third in the Big 12 in
past deflections.
866
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,080
That just that just says to me
when you see a guy have a lot of
867
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,240
past deflection, they're
understanding the route
868
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,840
concepts.
They understand when they need
869
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,080
to get their hands in there.
And I'm sure there's some P is
870
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,720
and stuff.
But overall, that tally, let me
871
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,440
pitch to you real quick who you
got.
872
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920
So defensive line, I'm going to
throw it to Cameron.
873
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Who, who do we need to look at,
who we need to worry about?
874
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640
I think I know who you're going
to say his first name is
875
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,840
probably Gabe.
But who on your defensive line
876
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
do I need to worry about?
Yeah, I mean, so actually the
877
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,880
first one I was going to, I was
going to bring up will be his
878
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,840
running mate, Langston Hardy,
kind of the other defensive end,
879
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,280
you know, when you kind of look
through snap counts, Gabe, Gabe
880
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,720
has been a really good, good
player at at his at his end, but
881
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,360
they've kind of gets club on his
hand.
882
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,800
I think I'm pretty sure he broke
his hand during fall camp.
883
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Really hard to tackle when you
have a club on your head.
884
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,280
But they've used him as a as a
power rusher and he's been
885
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680
really good both Langston Hardy
Langston's turned into he came
886
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,560
over from UConn, his brother on
the team as well, son of former
887
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,000
NFL player Kevin Hardy.
Yes, you're that old.
888
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,920
It is Langston.
Langston has returned to a true
889
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,200
just strong side defensive end.
He's solid in the past game.
890
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
He's setting the edge in the run
game like he is.
891
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Well, sometimes it's not going
to be as flashy as you wanted to
892
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
be.
It's been it's been amazing.
893
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,840
But I think the the under The
Dirty work guy Mateen, I'd be
894
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Ragba, you know, transferred a
couple years ago from Georgetown
895
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,440
red Cat.
I think he redshirted last year,
896
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,600
but just didn't really play was
getting used to adjusting to his
897
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,840
body.
They brought him in kind of as
898
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
an end that could play tackle.
And then now we find out.
899
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,720
Oh, no, no, no, you're you're a
defensive tackle, big dog.
900
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,600
And you know, he's been one of
the best, not in the ACC, but
901
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,280
nationally at getting pressures.
He's just he's popped up on NFL
902
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,880
draft boards of hey, you know, I
think it was the Senior Bowl
903
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,200
that nothing was Mike Renner
that that posted something today
904
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,120
that was, you know, he possibly
could be a top 100 pick in the
905
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,360
NFL draft.
You know, Mateen has been
906
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,240
someone has the hands are great.
He's hit their violent hands.
907
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,840
He's he's just he's cutting
through double teams.
908
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,040
He's been a great guy in the
run, the run game.
909
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920
He has been kind of their
stalwart and they they love all
910
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,800
their D TS.
I think Jaden Lovin's been good.
911
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Zach Lovitin's been good.
Dallas Lava has been good, but
912
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Mateen is kind of went from
being a guy of that I during
913
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,480
spring and fall camp.
I was like, OK, you know what,
914
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,800
let's see if he can be a
rotational guy to being like, Oh
915
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,240
no, I need you on the on the
field, as many snaps as you can
916
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:44,400
possibly handle right now.
Very nice, don't have a hands
917
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,000
full with that defensive line
guys always.
918
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Always, always man trenches.
Are always going to be a
919
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,720
struggle, man, They, they, they
do such a good job up front
920
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,760
always, I mean.
Technically sound.
921
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Y'all are always Cameron.
Y'all are always.
922
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
I mean, I can remember the game
a few years ago.
923
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,680
We did win the game fortunately,
but y'all are one of the more
924
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
technically sound on both sides
of the line.
925
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,520
You never, like you said, there
are certain guys you mentioned
926
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520
on offense where well, you
really don't notice them because
927
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,240
they're not getting killed.
They're not doing anything
928
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,600
unbelievable, but they're not
getting killed.
929
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,080
And sometimes that's what you
need.
930
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,480
You need something to steady the
ship.
931
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
So let me ask this for you as we
kind of get ready to wrap it up.
932
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,280
And do you have been a wealth of
knowledge you are educating the
933
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
public.
So first of all, before I ask
934
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,840
this question, when do you when
are you going to drop your
935
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,160
preview episode for the Hopies?
I think I'll drop mine on
936
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Thursday.
I think that's when I'm.
937
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,080
That's inside the forest.
So again, I think I'm loving to
938
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,920
hear what I can't wait to hear
what you got to say about us.
939
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,360
But let's just go to this for
you for this game.
940
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Give a prediction if you want.
If you're not there yet, that's
941
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,560
fine.
But what is going to be like a
942
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,640
couple keys to you to say if
Wake Forest on Saturday
943
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,680
afternoon, about 4:00 wins this
game, it's because.
944
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,280
Besides injuries, I think the
number one thing, emotions, you
945
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,560
know, it's really hard to
quantify it, but that is that
946
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360
was such an emotional game,
regardless of how it ended with
947
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,520
the, you know, the, the offsides
and stuff of that nature.
948
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,800
It's it's a that's a really hard
game to play, win or lose.
949
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Like you Wake Forest poured out
everything they had in that
950
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,840
game.
And even if they won, I'd still
951
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,440
be circling this game as a just
man that this is the ultimate
952
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
let down spot.
You've got a team that hasn't
953
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,640
necessarily quit on their
interim.
954
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,800
It's homecoming.
Blacksburg's always in just a
955
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,040
frustrating place for anyone to
play.
956
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,160
How do you how do you get up
again?
957
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,840
You know, how do you how do you
get up again?
958
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,320
And I think that, you know,
emotionally is wake, you know,
959
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,960
are they going to come out
sluggish?
960
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,360
Are they going to come out with
penalties, you know, left and
961
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,360
right?
Or are they going to bust some
962
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,800
coverages for the first time?
You know what?
963
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,280
What does that look like, you
know, from a kind of a big
964
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,760
picture standpoint?
But in general, I think, you
965
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,320
know, from on the field, I
talked about it a little bit
966
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,280
earlier, You know, the red zone,
I think this is a movable force
967
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,120
versus a stoppable object.
That is what this is in the red
968
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,160
zone.
And I think, you know, if Wade
969
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,880
can get down to the red zone and
convert for touchdowns, they're
970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,400
going to feel a lot better about
where they are because I think
971
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,720
they're going to treat Kyron
drones decently the same way
972
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,600
that they did Haines King, which
was we're going to put everyone
973
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,520
in the box.
You want to beat us with your
974
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,800
arm.
Good job you, you got it.
975
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,360
Have fun.
I don't know if, you know,
976
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320
either team wants this to be a
shootout.
977
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,720
I think both teams want this to
be kind of a get out the mud.
978
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,040
Someone's going to have to win a
bar fight here.
979
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
And I think, you know, if we
can, it's whoever wins kind of
980
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,720
those scoring opportunities in a
game that's going to be, you
981
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,480
know, probably somewhere around
a 27 to 21 or a, you know, AI
982
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,040
don't know if it gets 30, but a
2824 kind of game, you know,
983
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,760
whoever gets the 2428 and not
24.
984
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,960
I think that's where that's
going to be, you know, the most
985
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,640
critical part of who's who's
kicking field goals versus who's
986
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,880
actually getting to the end
zone.
987
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,080
So you got that winning line
somewhere in the the mid to
988
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,120
upper 20s then?
Yeah, I, I just with this Wake
989
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
team, I think, you know, in
general, people before the
990
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,080
season kept asking, you know,
this team's going to fly because
991
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
they're used to like the 2019
and 2022 week that was just
992
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,600
throwing the ball over the
place.
993
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,800
And I was like, I don't know if
they have the def to necessarily
994
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
play that.
I think also it helps you a lot,
995
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,320
you know, especially if your
team that likes to run the ball,
996
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
you know, you look up 6 minutes
are off the clock and it's like,
997
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,280
well, man, we get we get a, we
get a three and out here we can
998
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,400
just basically milk this entire
first quarter.
999
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,520
This score is done.
And so I think that's a fun way
1000
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,080
if you're a team that's trying
to find your identity and trying
1001
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,120
to find being this tough team of
cool, you don't.
1002
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,920
If you don't get to touch the
ball, that's your fault, not
1003
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,160
mine.
Yeah.
1004
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,240
And I mean, it's it's going to
be interesting, you know,
1005
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,480
contrast to styles.
I mean, we've we've definitely
1006
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,880
been a team that has dominated
in in most of the games time of
1007
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880
possession, but we don't really
have a ton of points to show for
1008
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,720
it in a lot of cases.
So it's going to be interesting
1009
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,800
to see what that looks like
against a Wake team that's also
1010
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,600
trying to, you know, ball
control to a good degree for
1011
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,000
most of the game.
No, I'm I'm excited.
1012
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,320
I think it'll be and I think,
and I think The thing is, I
1013
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,960
think when people say, you know,
these low scoring kind of time
1014
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,600
of possession games, those are
boring.
1015
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,800
No, I think those are some of
the most fun games because I
1016
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,600
think that's when you start
seeing those third and two third
1017
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,800
and three.
Sort of everyone wants the wacky
1018
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,040
kind of trick play and something
that's where you'll see them.
1019
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040
It's I know I can't get two or
three yards in the ground.
1020
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,160
I got to figure out another way
to do something like that.
1021
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,360
I think that's where you start.
That's that's where you start
1022
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,800
seeing these wacky plays of
Georgia Tech trying to do they
1023
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,080
they ran a fake punt on four on
4th and eight.
1024
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Like that's where you start
seeing the the the team start
1025
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,400
actually getting in their bags
and these kind of slower paced
1026
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,840
games of trying to find that
extra 2-3 yards.
1027
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
That's kind of what we did,
yeah.
1028
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,720
That's what we kind of went into
with the, the North North
1029
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,840
Carolina State win, like you
said, the low 20s, you know who
1030
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,400
can get to 24 and win it.
So now very good, very good
1031
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,880
analysis.
Cameron, we definitely
1032
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,760
appreciate you spending a little
bit of time with us.
1033
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,520
Lemons being in your name.
Life gave you lemons.
1034
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,840
You made lemonade, all that good
stuff, man.
1035
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,080
We appreciate you coming in.
Do you got any shout outs that
1036
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,440
you want to throw out before we
before we get you out of here?
1037
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080
I mean, the other thing I'll
ever promote is my Twitter,
1038
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,760
though you'll have some terrible
takes on the Eagles, Wake Forest
1039
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,400
and Braves.
It's act and lemons and under
1040
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,120
score.
I'm afterwards, but I really
1041
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,240
appreciate this.
This is always I love talking
1042
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,120
football, love talking ball.
I'm always happy man.
1043
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,560
We will remember this and
appreciate you educating us
1044
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,160
because that's what this is for.
This is this is your team you're
1045
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,080
talking about and we can do the
research.
1046
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,600
We can look, we look at the tape
and and and you know, we know
1047
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,480
some things, but this is your
team.
1048
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,680
So it's great to hear from you,
man.
1049
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,680
I appreciate it.
Go ahead, Tally.
1050
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,200
Before you let them go now I was
just going to say everybody go
1051
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,600
follow cameraman Cameron.
If you if you see any of us on
1052
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,200
Twitter X, whatever they want to
call it nowadays, please, man.
1053
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,920
Hey, we got bad takes and crazy
takes too.
1054
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,040
Definitely like you said,
Braves, I feel your pain.
1055
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,600
So we will be in misery
together.
1056
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,160
Oh, yes, Sir, Yes, Sir.
We appreciate you, man.
1057
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,760
Well, thank you, man.
We're going to let you get out
1058
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,440
of here, Cameron.
Hey, guys.
1059
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,600
Appreciate you, Cameron.
All right, that was.
1060
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,880
Cameron Lemons Debro bringing
the Heat bringing all the info
1061
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,080
about the Wake Forest Demon
Deacons leading into the game
1062
00:53:22,720 --> 00:54:31,940
this Saturday at 1:00.
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A real victory podcast.
What is?
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What is this man?
No one saw this one coming.
19
00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,440
No one saw this one coming, No.
One saw this one coming.
20
00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,760
Everybody was sideways last
week.
21
00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,840
Everybody's down in the dumps.
But that's why you play the game
22
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,760
right?
That's why you.
23
00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,040
Play the game.
That's why we play the game.
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00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,880
Yes, I will be turning around
over the next few minutes even
25
00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,080
when our guest is here.
Cameron, appreciate you coming
26
00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000
on, but I know you're a baseball
fan, so you understand what's
27
00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,040
going on behind me when you come
in here in a second.
28
00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,360
These two guys do as well.
He gave up bases loaded and he
29
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,560
struck them out.
OK, whatever.
30
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,000
I'm going to try my best for at
least the first few minutes here
31
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,480
tonight, but.
We, we, we've got 60% of Curtis
32
00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,480
focus right now.
It's like. 40 is on the TV
33
00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,080
behind.
Him and you know there we go.
34
00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,680
But anyway, like y'all said,
we're going to talk about
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Saturday night in a little while
because it was great.
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It was unexpected, that video.
By the way, if y'all have not
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seen the video, Jordan Long did
go find that immediately.
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Let's just go ahead and.
Talk about how.
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Jordan Jordan long has been
crushing the media this
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offseason.
I mean.
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That was the movie The.
Whole offseason, whole season, I
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mean, he's he's, he is him, he
is, he is doing a lot of lot of
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good content and really selling.
I think what you know, what's
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happening behind the scenes
there, man.
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Yeah, it was an hour long and
I'll take every minute of that
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Look, you know, it was a it was
a long video that I enjoyed
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every second of.
But I will say, I will say not
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to throw too much shade.
I've never seen the coaching
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staff as inspired.
Definitely didn't see the head
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coach as pumped up as I've seen
Monty.
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So yeah, that's true.
That was pretty cool.
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We.
We saw a different level of gas
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for that one and and I'm hoping
that it it sticks around as we
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move into, you know, further
into conference play here with
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Wake Forest coming up.
And I agree.
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Now, Speaking of Wake Forest, we
are going to start off tonight
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with Know the Enemy and we are
bringing on tonight.
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He is a writer for 247.
He also hosts the 247 Inside the
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Forest podcast focusing on Wake
Forest football.
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So let's bring him on Cameron
Lemon Debro.
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Cameron, what is happening
tonight?
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I'm not as busy as you right
now.
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The Braves can't hurt me right
now, but we got anything against
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the Yankees I'm pretty good
with, so I think we're on the
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same page here.
There.
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We go sweet well.
It's got to be one of those NL
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ES power or AL ES powers at
least bossing over the Yankees
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for.
Sure.
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Yeah, it's, it's a lesser of two
evils for me.
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Well.
Listen for every Braves fan
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right?
It's 96 hurt and you ain't
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forgave them yet.
I was one year old.
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I am a tally won't a year old.
We were in the we were in the
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prime of our youth.
Riding bikes like on Stranger
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Things.
That's right. 10:00 and 11:00 we
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were man.
Babies.
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Babies is what you were back
then.
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Cameron, we appreciate you
taking the time tonight to join
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us.
Talk a little bit about Wake
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Forest before we get into a
little bit of everything.
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Give us a little bit about
yourself, how you got to the
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Wake Forest piece here.
And you know, how long have you
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been doing this?
Yeah, so, I mean, grew up in
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Atlanta, funny enough for last
week with Wake.
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I grew up a Georgia Tech fan
right outside of Run Decatur,
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but actually ended up getting in
the wake for undergrad.
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Went there Dave Clawson's first
year in 2014, graduated in 2018.
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So I think around my junior year
when I started working with SB
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Nation with their site, doing
some recruiting stuff and film
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stuff.
And then kind of as things went
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along, you know, COVID was a
big, you know, kind of driver of
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people's lives doing different
ways.
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It was around 2020 is when, you
know, I started having a little
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more time to put more stuff into
film.
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And then 24/7 kind of approached
me like, hey, you know, you're
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doing a good job.
Do you want to come over here,
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do some stuff there?
So really, I'd really say since
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2020 is when I first started,
you know, really dive into the
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way forward speed.
Nice.
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Now are you still living in the
Winston Salem area?
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Have you moved back down to
Atlanta?
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So I was actually covering them
remotely in DC.
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I was up right outside of 14th
St. for a bit, and then now I'm
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down Charlotte.
So I'll make the commute up from
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Charlotte for football,
basketball, whatever I need to
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do.
Awesome.
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Nice, man.
Nice, nice.
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So.
You got this thing going like
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pretty steady for you about the
same time we we we got going.
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So this this podcast opened up
2020, OK.
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Curtis is happy.
We started, we started this show
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about 2020.
So yeah, COVID kind of, you
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know, we, we, we, we got going
just before COVID hit and been
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riding that wave ever since,
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Hey, you know, welcome.
It's it's, it's, it is awesome
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to see.
I think over the last couple
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years, especially Kylie, Brian,
and I can say it's often to see
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other fan bases, fans passionate
about what they do, talking
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their team.
And it's really good because you
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know, we dive into, you know, I
dive into the stats, Shelton
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who's not here tonight, guys
into the analytics tally and
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Brian both played so they can
look at tape and like see who
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they like and who they don't
like, right.
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So it's really nice to have all
this and just it's, it's
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becoming more of a community
because, you know, we can have
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conversations.
Do we want to beat the pants off
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on Saturday?
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Do you want to beat the pants
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Absolutely.
I'd enjoy a win.
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I'd enjoy an ACC win.
There you go.
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But you know, it's, it's awesome
to see this and we appreciate
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you taking the time tonight to
jump on with us.
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So now saying that you guys made
a pretty big hire this year with
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Dave Clausen stepping down,
obviously someone you were super
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familiar with and you guys go
way out to Pullman, WA, just
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outspoken where I've got some
friends and you guys, Harold
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hired Jake Dickard first of all,
when it was how did everything
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come down and how are you
feeling so far about that time?
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Yeah, I mean, that first Pete
family tweet of Dave Clawson
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stepping down, I remember I was
at I was doing stuff for my desk
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job and I just happened to open
my phone and I see it for five
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seconds ago and I was like, what
do you mean he's stepping down?
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You know, we're coming off of a
season where we'll back-to-back
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four and eight seasons for Dave
Clawson, things that felt stale.
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It really felt like a really
pivotal offseason for him, you
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know, was he going to change up
things for the staff he had just
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got done, you know, hosting
about, I think 1516 transfer
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portal visitors in his house the
day before.
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So we're all underneath the
impression Dave's coming back
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for next year.
Fine, that happens.
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And you know, it's peak portal
season and you're like, well,
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you don't have time to go on a
full-fledged search.
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And so things kind of snowballed
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I I kind of picked up myself
that from some people that I
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heard that Dicker was one of
them, even the top two, top
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three options.
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interesting because I've, I've
watched a bit of, you know, the
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the pack 2 as it was last year
and I had really had some fun
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watching, you know, John Mateer,
I really like what they were
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doing and wide receiver Kyle
Williams.
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I thought their corners were
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I thought there was some good
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They fizzled at the end of the
year, but I thought there was
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good stuff happening there.
But obviously money is a big
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driver in what you can do both
and IL wise, institutional wise,
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I know with the big board of
board of trustees meeting
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Virginia Tech has today, trust
me, muddy is is important at all
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levels of everything.
And so I was like, OK, I can see
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it.
But then you have the questions
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of he's never coached past, you
know, Wisconsin is about as far
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as he's ever coached.
And so, you know, coaching
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recruiting in the South, what
kind of staff would he bring in?
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So when they finally announced
it, I was like, OK, I understand
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it, but I think there's some
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But from the first day you talk
to him at his introductory press
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conference and then you got to
spring camp, the word, the
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buzzword was energy.
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different type of energy that
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You know, Dave Clawson wasn't
exactly, you know, done with
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college sports at the time, but
you could tell how he was
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frustrated.
He was a big developmental guy.
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Sam Hartman, kind of, you know,
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using his last year of
eligibility to go to Notre Dame,
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you know, you have guys like
Jamal Banks leave and up and go
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to Nebraska and you have guys
just they're leaving your
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program you've built up and you
have to pick and choose who you
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can keep because some everyone's
getting poached left and right.
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It it's really, it really kind
of took a toll on him.
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And but I think what you saw
with Jake Dicker was a guy who's
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been brought up in the NIL era.
You know, he's a young coach, He
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understands, you know, what it's
like to be Aceo type of head
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coach.
And so I thought at first you
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you people really enjoyed the
enthusiasm.
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Then the first couple of games
of the season happened and you
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were like, woof, what's what's
going on here?
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You have a 8:50 nail biting win
over Kennesaw State.
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You know again, Atlanta native.
Not sure if Kennesaw State's in
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the same waters of where you
want to be having a slugfest
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with you.
Come back next week and have a
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rain delayed.
Pretty much just butt whooping
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of Western Carolina.
It's great.
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And then you have a Thursday
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ESPN game against NC State.
You come out in the first half,
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you return the opening kick for
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Your next opening, your next
drive is a is a is a is a long
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touchdown touchdown driver.
Just say you're feeling great.
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And then in the second-half, you
don't get a first down.
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Other than a targeting penalty,
that's the only first you got in
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the second-half.
You know, things start sour.
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And then you have a team like
Georgia Tech coming in last week
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where they want to drag you into
a bar fight.
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They want to just be tougher
than you every single down.
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And while you know, some some
shenanigans happen towards the
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end of that game, I think, you
know, moral victories are dumb.
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They're super dumb.
But Wake proved down to down.
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They were very willing to be
that I did that toughness.
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They were they had that identity
of we don't care how tough you
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are.
We're going to be just as tough
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of you, if not tougher.
And I think that started getting
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people a little bit back to, OK,
remember, this is year one.
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I understand what they're trying
to build too.
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So it's been a little bit of a
roller coaster.
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the law started saying, OK, this
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is the idea of what we want.
Before we jump into talking
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about the offense a little bit,
I want to circle back to Georgia
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Tech and last week and the
controversy towards the end of
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that one with the offside.
I'm going to kind of just give
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you the floor here and let you
vent a little bit and talk, talk
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that through and kind of what
the perspective is from both the
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Wake Forest fan and kind of the
fan base in general.
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Yeah, I mean it, it was tough
because I think where my seat
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was, I'm pretty much on that
line where play happened.
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And so when he jumped offside,
you could just see everyone in
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the cross box going, OK, this
game's just over.
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It was in the game.
Everyone was like, OK, cool,
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we're all starting to write and
figure and be like, this is this
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is done.
And then you don't see a flag go
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up.
You're just kind of confused.
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didn't show it on the broadcast.
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I've never seen Jake Dickard in
the four games that animated of
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what's going on here.
Robbie Astor was the same way.
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You know, come to find out on
Monday, not only do they have to
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admit that they messed up the,
the lack of an onsize offsize
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call, there was API on the play
too of the receiver that was
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being thrown at.
And they were just like, and you
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can when you go back and watch
it, you, you start seeing, hey,
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why is that corner playing?
Like the only thing he needs to
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do is just not give up a
touchdown.
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Like why, why is he all of a
sudden just grabbing and
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basically almost throwing him to
the ground?
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You know, it's tough because
they it's really tough.
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Because they thought.
Yeah, I mean, he was playing
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that way because he knew his guy
jumped offsides.
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That's the What do you do when
your guy jumps off sides?
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Make sure you do anything but
give him a touchdown because
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that's the only thing that
matters.
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There Well Cameron, don't feel
bad because week 4-5 last year
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we were in the same.
The ACC made a business decision
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on Saturday.
With y'all.
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It was tough.
They did against Miami last
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year.
With us, it was just like.
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The, that Miami, that, that
Miami game was, was really,
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really hard to watch, 'cause I,
I'm sitting there, I'm sitting
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there with actually a couple of
my Virginia Tech friends that
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are down here in Charlotte.
And I was just kind of sat there
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with them and was like, I'm not
going to say anything if you
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don't, right?
We're good.
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Anger.
A lot of anger.
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That night, it's tough, but it's
tough.
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And then, you know, sometimes
you want to, you know, you don't
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want to be the guy that's always
complaining about the refs.
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And I do think there was some
stuff on the field that wig
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frankly left on the field.
And so there's some parts to me
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that go, you shouldn't have
gotten to that point.
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And then there's also sometimes
where I go, well, you know, I do
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agree because Jake Dicker talked
about it on Monday where he
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thought that, you know, one of
the big changes for college
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football is for for penalties
like that.
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It's a it's that's not a
judgement call.
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You're offsides, you're not,
you're in the neutral zone.
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You're not you fall starter, not
give them a challenge flag for
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stuff like that.
I think that's a pretty easy way
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to go.
Look, I can do this.
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Throw a challenge flag.
This review takes 20 seconds.
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It's not a judgement call.
Good.
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I think that's something,
especially because this is the
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second week in a row we've seen
kind of a pretty obvious
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offsides not be called and it
lead to a game changing play.
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So I, I think something like
that could easily be done
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versus, you know, putting out a
statement through someone else
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and then going all right, Oh,
you good.
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Oops.
We're sorry.
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I mean, it doesn't matter now.
Like, no, you know, apologizing
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for it after the fact doesn't
really change the outcome, so.
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I hate when they do that.
I hate whenever they know they
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mess up and then they'll come
and say, well, we messed up.
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No shit you messed up.
You screwed up a whole game.
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You know, Auburn got done
similar to, you know, they had
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some stuff happen against
Oklahoma last week and I'm like,
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why even come out with a
statement?
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It don't matter.
Are you going to pay them or you
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can get them to win?
You know you.
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Reverse everything.
For a team like Wake, that's,
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you know, the one of the big
goals of the year is making a
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bowl game.
You look at the schedule and
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you're like, you know what,
getting the 6th, you know, if
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Wake ends up this season at 5:00
and 7:00, you look at that game
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a lot and you're you're a little
a little more upset afterwards.
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Oh, yeah.
And, and I mean, you know, we
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saw it last week, last year with
Miami.
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It's like, I mean, and, and we
admitted and you talked about it
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earlier, like there were plenty
of opportunities where we could
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have won that game without it
coming down to that situation.
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But at the same time, I mean,
especially in your case, I mean,
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it was, you know, right there
very easy there.
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There was, there was no there,
there, there was no question
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about what that call should have
been.
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So you kind of feel bad for
y'all, obviously.
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I mean, I think that's one that,
you know, hopefully you don't
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end up looking at the end of the
year like you said and sitting
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at 5:00 and 7:00, you're like,
oh man, we could have, could
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have been bowl eligible with
that.
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One that'll that'll be a great
final press conference with Jake
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Dicker of the season if that
happens.
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Oh yeah.
Right, well, man, we're going to
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switch gears a little bit and
just talk a little bit about
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your OC before I let you get the
floor.
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I will say I'm I know a little
bit about Mr. Mr. Ezel, Curtis
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or Brian.
Do y'all know what his claim to
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fame is?
Other than Rob.
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Ezel.
At South Alabama.
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And he was in South Alabama.
So he went.
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A little further back to.
Alabama, he went to Alabama, he
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walked on to Alabama, played on
the national championship team.
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And if you go to YouTube right
now and you Google or you go to
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YouTube and you put his name in,
that's going to pull up a whole
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bunch of videos of him
impersonating Nick Saban.
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So that is his claim to fame.
He was.
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In the.
Locker room, Yeah, he was in the
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locker room.
I mean, it was everywhere.
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He was in the locker room.
I'm talking about imitating
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Nick.
You know, they talked to Nick
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about it a lot during that time.
I think it was O 9 when it
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happened, but a really cool
video, you know, just kids
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having fun at that time.
Like you said, he did go to
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South, he did go to South
Alabama.
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He got the quarterback paid
pretty good to go to UNC.
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So I know a little bit about
him, like I said, because he's
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been around these areas, but I
will throw it over the camera
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and let him tell us a little bit
about his OC and what he likes
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or doesn't like or what he's
been seeing as of lately.
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Yeah, I mean with Rob, there's
some growing pains you have to
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obviously expect.
You know, he was a first time
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play caller last year at South
Alabama, had some really fun off
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really fun offense.
You know, Gio was really good.
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He not doesn't look great this
year, but Gio looked really good
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last year.
Fluff Bothwell, who I think is
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now at Mississippi State was a
really good running back back
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had a 2 headed guy there.
You know, he's had he's had a
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fun offense last year and I
think he started bringing that
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over here to Wake Forest.
I think part of the ups and
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downs have been partially, you
know, he'll admit there's some
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there's sometimes.
He hasn't put people in the
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right places, but you know, with
what he calls a power spread,
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which I kind of likened to a
triple option.
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Just in the modern version, you
know, there are a lot of moving
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pieces.
You've got a quarterback like
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Robbie Ashford who you know, you
can move him around the pocket,
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you can put him in a true, you
know, real, just a read option
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and true in the speed option.
You've got a guy like Damon
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Claiborne who one of the best
running backs in the ACC.
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You can, you can move him around
there.
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Guys like Chris Barnes, Michael
Mays, There's a lot of moving
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parts there.
They they brought in some some
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offensive lineman that I think
that's made some interesting
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adjustments in terms of just
cohesiveness.
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But with Rob himself, I think
it's been the good has been
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explosives.
I think there was some graphs I
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kind of, I kind of retweeted the
other day that Wake explosive
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wise is on the same level as
Ohio State this year.
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They've been a very, very, very
explosive team.
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The problem and you know part of
it again has been play calling
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some some of it has just been
execution as well has been they
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are operating on the same
success rate as you know, Iowa
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and Kentucky.
Oh, that's kind of so it's like
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you know what you're you're
hitting some deep balls or
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hitting some really big ruins.
That's great.
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But down to down hasn't really
been that that great.
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And I think sometimes it is a
OK, look, it's first and 10.
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Let's just get let's just get
into the flow of the offense.
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You know, I think sometimes
they're they get away from a
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demon or Ty Clark or even a QB
run from time to time.
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And then sometimes it's you
know, you look around and you
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see a left guard kind of on his
ass and you see a center getting
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pushed back a couple yards and
you're like, OK, So there's
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there's a lot of moving pieces
in terms of what could be
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better.
And I think we've seen some
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really high highs and especially
in the last two weeks of guys
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just, you know, I think Robbie
the last, you know, the first
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half of NC State and most of the
game last week looked pretty
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good throwing the ball and
running the ball.
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I think there's definitely
sometimes where it's just little
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things like especially the red
zone.
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I think, you know, we'll
probably talk about it later.
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I think that's probably where
this game's going to be won in
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the red zone makes 133rd in the
red zone offense.
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When it comes to scoring
touchdowns, there are, I
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believe, three teams worse than
them.
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They are combined 2 and 10.
So you know, you're you're maybe
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a little bit fortunate to be two
and two and two, but you're
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you're doing everything right to
get there.
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It's just finishing there.
I think that might if, if they
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can with that switch with him, I
think that might be what it
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unlocks that offense.
Yeah, gentlemen, you mentioned
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that.
Well, yeah, I was gonna
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actually, that was one of the
things I pulled out doing my
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research this week, that lows
69% conversion.
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The one thing I'll tell you
about is guess who's 134 in red
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zone defense?
That sucks.
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If you get down there, we let
teams score.
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But I want to talk about one of
the guys you already mentioned
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because he was a guy Virginia
Tech almost landed.
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That's Damon Claiborne, and he
is having another good season.
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Y'all did not lose him.
He's actually from a little town
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called King William, where me
and Brian's friend Derek grew
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up.
Just West of here.
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Literally, they want.
I'm I'm a 15 minute drive from.
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From he's a 15 minute drive from
it and it is a small country
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school.
But why did he say because if
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you look at his, you know,
numbers over the three years at
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weight, he's put up good
numbers.
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You know, 1000 yard rusher last
year.
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How did y'all hold on to him for
this last ride down at weight?
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I think first and foremost, you
know, their degree, if you, if
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you, I had I, that Damon's
recruitment was one that I was
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really kind of involved in.
His mother wanted him to get a
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Wake Forest degree.
I think he, he, they really
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wanted him to get just a degree
from a top.
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Not saying Virginia Tech's not a
good one, but I think it's, you
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know, you, when you had options
like Wake, Virginia, Virginia
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Tech, you know, when you end up
at Wake, you're already there.
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Why not finish what you started?
And I think that's something
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we've heard from Damon
Quaybourne before is I want to
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finish what I started here.
I think Wynn also, you know, he
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said he was coming back before
Dave Boss had stepped down.
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I do think having a new style of
offense with Jake Dickard and
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Robbie Zell has also helped also
helped him tell him a little bit
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more, not just saying, you know
what, we're going to give you
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the ball 40 * a game.
Hope you stay.
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But I think just in terms of,
you know, there have been some
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back and forth between, you
know, does does the slow match
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to RIP, you know, help hurt
running backs in terms of their
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decision making?
And when you're a guy like Damon
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who has really good patience,
really good balance, really good
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feet, you know, it really shines
in that slow mesh.
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But also now instead of you
running just inside zone or just
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outside zone, now you're running
counter, Now you're running
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power.
Now you're really get into these
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run concepts that you're
probably going to be running at
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the next level.
Then all of a sudden you're
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like, OK, you know, I think this
might be, you know, I can, I can
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go do this, this an Oregon.
I can go to this in Michigan.
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You know, I can go to this
anywhere else.
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I'm already comfortable here.
They've put me in a great
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position to succeed.
Why not stay here for my final
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year, get my degree, do the best
I can and then go?
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I'll go from there.
Absolutely.
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And, and so far this year, I
mean, he, he's touched the ball
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58 times and I'm doing the
mathematics here for basically
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right about 7.3 per touch, which
means when he gets it, he's
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getting up field.
Now, Brian, what did I know?
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You wanted to hit on something
here?
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Before we yeah, I just want to
talk a little bit about the
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offensive line.
I know you said there's been a
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little bit of inconsistency
there.
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You talked about some some guys
on their ass earlier, but give
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us a a picture of of what that
offensive line is look like.
478
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,360
I know like historically, what I
think what is kept weight pretty
479
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,560
competitive is that you guys
have done pretty well in the
480
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,960
trenches on both sides of the
ball.
481
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,760
So I'm, I'm interested to see
what, what that offensive line
482
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,440
is looking like and how you feel
about that.
483
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,440
You know, sounds like, you know,
Claiborne's definitely getting
484
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080
his his yards per carry there.
So it's got to be something
485
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,520
going pretty well for them.
Oh, yeah, I mean, you start with
486
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,360
that left tackle, Melton Siani,
who you know, they brought up
487
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080
from, I believe Temple was
played for a year.
488
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,960
There was a was a right tackle
moved over to left tackle this
489
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,400
year and had performed so well
in fall camp that if The
490
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Athletic reported it, they
actually renegotiated his deal
491
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480
because they were like, look, we
don't want to go to the portal
492
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280
after this year to get another
left tackle.
493
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Let's just go ahead lock you up.
And he's pretty much been worth
494
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,560
that, you know, in terms of
being a good left tackle.
495
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,360
Center has been Deva Kalani, one
of their cap, one of the
496
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:29,800
captains.
He's been up and down.
497
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
That's someone that I think they
expect a little more of, you
498
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,120
know, in terms of their last
week was a really tough match up
499
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,480
for him.
And he battled.
500
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,680
There were times that, you know,
he pushed a really good
501
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,800
defensive tackle back and
sometimes he got pushed 2 yards
502
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,120
back.
But I think it's, you know,
503
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,120
expecting a little more out of
him is OK.
504
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Right guard George Sell, guy
that's been with the program
505
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,360
since Dave Clausman was there.
He was the only holdover starter
506
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,360
on the line.
He's been good because you have
507
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,360
really noticed him.
I know offensive line is a very,
508
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800
very one.
You either see pancakes or you
509
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,040
see, you know, someone on their
ass with them.
510
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,600
It's been, you know what, I
don't notice you a lot.
511
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160
And that's a really good thing
because you're just sitting
512
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640
there, you're doing your job.
And that's kind of how George
513
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Sell has been.
He's put his head down.
514
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,240
He's been a really hard worker
at right guard.
515
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,480
Right tackle was their big money
addition, GOAT money.
516
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,600
In terms of Lily, Felipe Famo,
they beat out.
517
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,160
He came over from Washington
State.
518
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000
He beat out, they beat out what,
Nebraska, LSU for him as well.
519
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,480
They wanted him as a left half
or right Taco as well.
520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,120
And I think Lily is playing.
Very good.
521
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Yeah, the first game he did not
have a good game.
522
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,240
But since then, Lili has been a
very, very, very good tackle.
523
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,240
And I think someone that you
could probably hear his name
524
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,000
being called on day three of the
NFL draft next year if he keeps
525
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,040
this up.
It's been it's been really good.
526
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Left guard's been the spot that
people have not so much worried
527
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,440
about, but it's just the most
fluid 1.
528
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,880
So he started out the year this
the year with Clinton Richard,
529
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,680
you know, who was a second year
guy out of Atlanta, Fairburn
530
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,320
Heights, I believe, you know,
really good guy, you know, big,
531
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
big strong, had some solid P4
offers.
532
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,960
And then, you know, had an
injury.
533
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,320
I think he broke his leg
essentially.
534
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200
He broke his ankle on the like
the last drive of the first game
535
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
of the of the season.
And it was tough because they'd
536
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
already lost two guys that were
kind of fighting for that
537
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,880
position too.
They had both medically retired.
538
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560
So you're now down to 1/3 option
there.
539
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
He he's out for the season.
You bring in a guy like George
540
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,920
Stee, who has, you know, he's
shifting over from tackle and
541
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,960
you can see some really good
things and some really not good
542
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,080
things out of a guy that frankly
was kind of your fourth option
543
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,080
there.
You know, you've seen some
544
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,760
really good of when they pull
him, he pulls really well.
545
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720
He moves really well for a
guard.
546
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
But then sometimes it's
technique, You know, it's not
547
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440
easy going from being a tackle
to being a guard.
548
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560
It's just, it's, it's just a
different type of technique and
549
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
you can see it a little bit when
he, some people kind of power
550
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,360
rush him a bit of Nope, I can't
just just go after him.
551
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,480
I got to make sure I'm actually
using the correct technique.
552
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,920
So I think that's a little, a
little tough because I think
553
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Wake went into the season
thinking they'd have 8 to 9 guys
554
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,160
that, you know, they could
rotate in and that whittled down
555
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,200
to about 5 or 6 within about 3
weeks.
556
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
So it's been good.
I think there are times and I
557
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920
think that's part of the red
zone worry as well as, you know,
558
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,040
there's, there's a play I, I
pulled yesterday from, from
559
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Saturday, that was, you know, if
one guy doesn't get pushed back
560
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,520
by two yards, the, the tackle,
the tight end can come across,
561
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,520
get his block Mons in for a
touchdown.
562
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Just little things like that in,
in specific areas that I think
563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,200
if they, if they fix that, you
know, I think that makes it go a
564
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,560
little more.
And the man behind the line and
565
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,680
you know, in the backfield with
with Claiborne is, is why Robbie
566
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Ashford, Alabama legend.
He went to Hoover High School
567
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,960
here.
You know, everybody probably
568
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,080
knows of Hoover High School if
you know anything about, you
569
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,000
know, Alabama and Alabama high
school.
570
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,000
But he's a legend because he has
been to 95 schools.
571
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Robbie Ashford graduated 4 star,
went to Oregon, played baseball.
572
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:09,120
We actually committed to Ole
Miss, ended up at Oregon, played
573
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,320
baseball at Oregon.
Then he decided just to focus on
574
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,720
football, transferred to Auburn.
A lot of people at Auburn like
575
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,640
them and what he did.
But again, he can move, man.
576
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,960
He'll get out of the pocket.
And you know, sometimes down
577
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,160
here, it's like they want
somebody to, they want Greg
578
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520
McElroy, they want somebody to
sit back and throw the ball.
579
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,840
So left, left Auburn.
I went to South Carolina.
580
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,920
Am I correct there?
South Carolina, Yeah.
581
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,920
South Carolina to to wait.
So he's kind of been, you know,
582
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,920
all over the place, but a
talented kid, man.
583
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,360
I mean, you can see last week he
got hurt before he got hurt, you
584
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,360
can see what was happening and
then he gets hurt and he's still
585
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400
gutting through it with that big
ass brace on.
586
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,520
I think Robbie is is a person to
watch.
587
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,440
I don't know how banged up he
and Claiborne to be, but they've
588
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760
got a good backfield between
those two guys.
589
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,520
So I'll just let you talk a lot.
I'll let you talk a little bit
590
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400
about Robbie as well.
What he's brought, you know,
591
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Robbie, as you mentioned, he's a
journeyman.
592
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,480
There's only so much you can,
and I don't mean it's derogatory
593
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
wise, but there's only so much
you really expect out of a
594
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000
journeyman quarterback.
You know, at a certain point you
595
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
kind of are who you are in that
journey.
596
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,240
And I think, you know, during
spring and fall camp, they tried
597
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,480
to put him in a little bit of a
box he wasn't meant to be in.
598
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,040
It was a, you know, we're going
to try and make you a pocket
599
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,080
passer here and there.
And it's just that's just not
600
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
strength.
And we saw a kind of, you know,
601
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
the first half of NC State and
in this game against Georgia
602
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Tech, where if you get him on
the move, this guy is that's
603
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,200
he's going to be 1 of, if not
the best athlete on the field.
604
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440
And it was, it was actually kind
of funny.
605
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Funny you brought up the the
baseball stuff, the play he gets
606
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,880
hurt on, he actually feels a bad
snap like a like 1/3 baseman.
607
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,640
He feels it just directly to 3rd
baseman and just takes off for
608
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,360
about 30-40 yards down the field
before he ended up getting hurt.
609
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
And so you see the athleticism
jumping at you.
610
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,720
I think some of the, you know,
the, the negative has been kind
611
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,200
of the short to intermediate
game.
612
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,200
You know, I think, you know,
screen passes haven't really
613
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
been kind to him.
You know, sometimes decision
614
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640
making when they've tried to put
him in some RPO stuff hasn't
615
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,640
been the best.
And I think last on Saturday
616
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
they did a good job of taking
that away, taking that toy away
617
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480
from him.
But that's where you see the
618
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
growth and where he's been good
at kind of his entire career.
619
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,960
He's one of the best passers for
PFF in terms of the deep ball
620
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
because if you, if you have him,
Aaron, Aaron and out this guy, I
621
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,440
think, I think I wrote it down
the other day was I think 22nd
622
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440
time for 22nd best in terms of
PFF grade.
623
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160
You know, he's got 6 big time
throws, doesn't have a turnover
624
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,480
where they play when he, when he
throws downfield for whatever
625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,880
reason, if you ask him to have a
little stop and go route, he's
626
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,840
going to put that on the money.
And I think that's something
627
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,840
that I think wakes really liked
because it's, it's when you're
628
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,840
someone that wants to run the
ball as much as with demonically
629
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,800
born with Robbie Ashford, you
got to do something to get
630
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560
people to back off of you.
And I think they've done a
631
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200
really, I've been charting kind
of all season of they've done a
632
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160
really good job of, and
especially with Rob, they've
633
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920
done a really good job of when
teams try to stack 7-8 in the
634
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
box.
Just saying, OK, if you keep
635
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
doing that, I'm just going to
hit you over the top and like,
636
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,640
we're going to keep doing this
until you stop it.
637
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400
And so I think that's been one
of the best things about Ravi is
638
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,040
he has been able to punish, you
know, teams when they've tried
639
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
to take away what people think
WIG wants to do this year.
640
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Absolutely.
Now you, you mentioned about the
641
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,440
struggle with the intermediate
routes and everything and you
642
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,920
know it, it, it's reflected
there, you know, 59%
643
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360
completions.
It's also reflected in when you
644
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,200
look at your leading receivers,
Devin Claiborne's second leading
645
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960
receiver on the team reception
wise.
646
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,720
So I'm going to turn this over
to you, Jimmy, one of your
647
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,440
receivers that you feel if they
have a good game Saturday, you
648
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,000
feel better about your chances
to win.
649
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760
It's tough because the easy
answer is Chris Barnes.
650
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,639
Little scatter bug that's 585.
Not on a good day.
651
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,440
I'm going to go Micah Mays
though.
652
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:18,199
I think Micah is someone that
he's about 6263 ish, 190 lbs and
653
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,679
we've really started seeing some
big plays out of in the last few
654
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,679
weeks of just, you know, with
Chris, you know, he's like I
655
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,520
said, he's 5859.
You can you can't catch him if
656
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,600
the dude ran like AA1019100
meter dash.
657
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000
He's just fast.
With Micah, he was a long jumper
658
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,960
in high school.
So he's got the explosive and
659
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,159
not so much the speed.
And I think being able sometimes
660
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,560
when you don't get someone
necessarily schemed open.
661
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,760
And I think Virginia Tech's
going to do a good job of not
662
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440
necessarily just busting
coverages, having a guy that can
663
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360
just go up and get a jump ball.
And I think Micah does a really,
664
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,480
really good job.
But he's some really good hands
665
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
on him.
He's got he's, he's taking some
666
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
hits over them over the middle.
They love running some little
667
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,280
mesh rail with him.
And he's always finding that
668
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,880
little soft, soft bar of the
zone.
669
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
But I think Micah, you know, if
they can, if you really can get
670
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,720
him going, you know, and I don't
think, you know, getting going
671
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,880
is 10 is 10 catches.
That's just not how Wade's going
672
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,840
to operate.
But if you can get him going,
673
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,640
you know, four or five catches
and get to that 7080 yard mark,
674
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,000
I think Wade feels like they're
in a pretty good place right
675
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,720
there.
All right, so we'll make that
676
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,360
note, Micah Maze.
And before Brian jumps on the
677
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,400
defense, just one last question.
What is what's going to be the
678
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120
status of Robbie Asher?
We know he's banged up, but
679
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Thursday again, it's the ACC.
Now we're going to figure we're
680
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,440
going to get to see the injury
report.
681
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,400
What do you think he's listed as
Thursday we're.
682
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,800
We're going to see both him and
Damon Claiborne listen as the
683
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,280
questionable.
I don't care if Robbie, Robbie
684
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,080
told us in the in the post game
press conference on Friday, as
685
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880
long as I'm not on Saturday, as
long as I'm not dead, I'm going
686
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,160
to go out there and play on
Saturday.
687
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,680
So, you know, I, I have a, a lot
more of an expectation of Robbie
688
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
playing more or less just
because we've talked to him with
689
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200
demand.
I think it'll be a full, you
690
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,800
know, he'll be queue and then
they're not going to tip their
691
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,320
hand until they absolutely have
to.
692
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,120
Right.
Sounds good, man.
693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,240
Sounds good.
Yeah, we'll, we'll see what ours
694
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,360
looks like because we're in a
situation where we're still
695
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
waiting to see are the guys that
were out last week, guys that
696
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,120
are going to hit.
The portal, Portal.
697
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Are they here guys that are
going to actually, you know,
698
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
yeah.
So we're we're we're still
699
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,000
playing wait and see on our side
as well.
700
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,200
So let's flip it over to
defense.
701
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,720
We got Scotty Hazleton,
defensive coordinator.
702
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,880
He's been coached a good while.
He's got a fun beard to look at
703
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,400
too.
I got, you know, got got got to
704
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,400
respect the Beard game there.
But he's had several P4 stops
705
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,760
before getting to Wake Forest.
Tell us a little bit about his
706
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,360
defense and what he brings to
the table.
707
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Yeah, I think Scotty Hazleton
has done a really good job of
708
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,400
reinventing himself, I think at
Michigan State, You know, I when
709
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,240
he when he was at Kansas State,
I think he was a really good
710
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,240
defensive coordinator.
I think the stop at Michigan
711
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,280
State, whatever was happening
with him and Mel Tucker and that
712
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,360
entire program just wasn't
working.
713
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Just wasn't working because it
was just yards after yards after
714
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,720
breakdown after breakdown after
touchdown.
715
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,680
And you know, granted, again,
you know, Wig hasn't seen the
716
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,720
best offense in the world with
this team just yet, but one
717
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,160
thing they've been excellent at
doing is just preventing
718
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360
explosives.
This team just does not give up
719
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,760
explosive plays through the
ground, through the air.
720
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,080
You're not going to it.
It'll be once in a blue moon
721
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
before you hit a 4050 yard play
on them.
722
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,560
They it just doesn't happen.
And so I think Scotty's done a
723
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,320
really good job of reinventing
himself.
724
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,320
He was a guy that ran a lot of
Tampa 2, which, you know, Tampa
725
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
two could be cover 3.
There's a whole other stuff
726
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520
about that.
He, but he ran a lot of Cover 2
727
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,200
this year.
He has been, I love that there's
728
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
a lot of King William kids going
to see Blacksburg today on this
729
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,720
weekend.
This year it's been a lot of
730
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,640
cover one.
He's run some cover one.
731
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,360
He's gone to cover 3 from time
to time, but Wake's been a
732
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,480
really heavy cover one team this
year, which I think is pretty
733
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,480
interesting.
That's not something I don't
734
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
think Wake would really ever
dare to run.
735
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,520
I don't think Wake people ever
think Wake has the personnel to
736
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,840
run a true Cover 3 at time press
man sort of thing.
737
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680
But he he's really trust trusted
his receivers.
738
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,360
I mean, it's going to be his
quarterbacks and they've
739
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,480
rewarded him more than often.
He's trusted his run defense.
740
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,760
And, you know, I think it's a
thing of it's it's still kind of
741
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
on an edge because I think
Wake's done a really good job of
742
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
limiting damage.
They're one of the best teams at
743
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
not giving up touchdowns in the
red zone.
744
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,720
They're one of the best teams on
not getting explosives and
745
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,320
they're pretty good on 3rd
downs.
746
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
The problem is they'll be out
there for a little bit and part
747
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,280
of it's the offense, part of
it's their own doing on defense
748
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,440
for missing tackles of, you
know, sometimes it's a, it's a
749
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,000
critical 3rd and like 3 or 4 and
they're giving it up.
750
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
And it's, that's why it's a
little interesting when you look
751
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,680
at wakes yards per game, they're
all, they're probably middle of
752
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,520
the pack.
When you look at their EPA,
753
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,040
they're, you know, down towards
the bottom of the country and
754
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
it's they're giving up yards and
they're fine.
755
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960
But it's sometimes the the they
break at the wrong time that's
756
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,760
been that's what's kind of kept
them from being that next
757
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,800
echelon of good defense.
Yeah, and, and something we hit
758
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280
on beforehand and you, you
immediately just shook your head
759
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,360
as soon as I said it.
You know, teams running the
760
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,800
ball, I think right at 54% of
the time against Wake 140, which
761
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,920
isn't bad.
But I think what you're saying
762
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
in this case is the numbers
don't look bad, but it's the
763
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,040
crucial situation.
It's like you said, third and
764
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,160
two we're missing an attack on
It's like you want to bang your
765
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,920
head against the wall when that
happens.
766
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,480
And we do the same on this side.
But let's talk about three guys.
767
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Well, I'm I want to talk about
three guys.
768
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560
These two may have somebody else
want to talk about, but I'll
769
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
talk about three guys that had
really good games last week that
770
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,400
kind of showed out.
And the first is Quincy Bryant.
771
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,520
You know, give give a little
background on him, but maybe so
772
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,400
much.
Why did he have such a good game
773
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,120
against Georgia Tech?
Yeah, I think with Quincy, he's
774
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,400
been someone that's been with,
he's another person that that
775
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
has been he's grown up with the
Wake Forest program coming from
776
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Parkview High School outside of
Atlanta, really smart,
777
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,160
intelligent kid.
And he's someone that that has
778
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,360
he hasn't fallen out of being a
starter, but they've they've
779
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
been trying to run kind of a two
by two side kind of things.
780
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
You know, there's Aiden Hall and
Dylan Hayes and are set.
781
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,880
Him and Frank Cusano are set and
Frank Cusano kind of missed the
782
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,960
game.
We'll see if we'll play this
783
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,240
week and.
The thing with Quincy I've I've
784
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,960
noticed is when Quincy's been
expected to play about 7580
785
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
snaps a game, he just, it just
hasn't been great, which I don't
786
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,600
think for anyone it's great.
But when you've kept him around
787
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,360
that 30 to 40 sort of reps, he's
been really good.
788
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,800
He is, he's he's fresh.
He's a really good tackler.
789
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Like I said, he's a smart kid.
So he's very aware of what's
790
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
going on.
I think he was a corner.
791
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,080
He he played a lot when he was
at Parkview.
792
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
He played corner, he played
safety, then he tried to
793
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,960
transition down the linebacker.
So he's got kind of skills to be
794
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,800
all over the place.
And it I think just with the
795
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,280
game against the, you know,
hometown team and Georgia Tech
796
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,960
probably fired him up a little
bit, but just a team that he
797
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160
doesn't really have to be
worrying about.
798
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Am I going to drop back this
game?
799
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Am I going to go forward?
I don't have to put a guess and
800
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920
check is no, I need to go
forward and go find wherever
801
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,560
Haynes King is.
I think that's a style of game
802
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,400
where and I think, you know,
that's someone we're going to
803
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,760
look forward to.
When you're talking about a big
804
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,680
dude in Tyron drones where look,
just go and get him.
805
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,320
I think that's that's somewhere
where where Quincy Bryant really
806
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,240
likes to shine.
Yeah, and, and Quincy last week,
807
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,000
just so everybody knows why I
focused on him, 11 combined
808
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,280
tackles, had a TfL in there as
well.
809
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Was literally, and we know the
way Georgia Tech likes to play,
810
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000
you're getting 11 tackles.
That is, you were in on a lot of
811
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,080
plays with the way Georgia Tech
runs defense.
812
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,400
And so not even telling that TfL
was on a fourth and one too.
813
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Hanes King went on a QB power
and and Quincy just got just
814
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,360
shot through a gap and just got
there.
815
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,800
There we go.
Nice Cali, Brian, who you want
816
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,880
to talk about next?
Yeah, I mean, let's let's talk
817
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,360
about Ron Pruitt, defensive
back.
818
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,840
He he had another big game
against against Georgia Tech.
819
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
What sort of skill set does he
bring to the table for Wake
820
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,960
Forest?
Karon so Prunty is a is a guy
821
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,640
that it's very funny that he
ended up at Wake Forest.
822
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,040
So Wake actually played North
Carolina A&T last year and I
823
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,200
believe their opener and Dave
Clawson's going through, you
824
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
know, making them look like like
every coach does, making their
825
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,160
their team seem like the 85
Dolphins.
826
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,240
It's it's it's great.
And he thought he gets the prony
827
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,240
and he goes, yeah, no, that
dude's got to get a better draft
828
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,240
rate than any of our
quarterbacks and just is a fairy
829
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,640
stoneface.
And we're like, oh, no, he's not
830
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,760
fluffing.
He's got this guy up.
831
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,520
He's like, that dude's good.
And so when the portal hits, I'm
832
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,960
like, OK, let's see what this
what's going on with this guy?
833
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,800
He ends up at at Wake and you're
like, how are you at North
834
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Carolina A&T?
He was a freshman All American
835
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,680
when he was at Kansas.
He's kind of dropped down to A&T
836
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,000
for a bit, but he's a legitimate
616-2190.
837
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,600
Like he is a big corner.
He's strong.
838
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800
He's not afraid to get in
someone's face.
839
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640
And I think that's something you
see when he's going back and
840
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,320
forth with other wide receivers
is, you know, I think a lot of
841
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,200
time people have have it's hard
to find a 6162 corner.
842
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,320
Like when you're that big, it's
hard to move, it's hard to be as
843
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,720
flexible.
It's hard to have the right
844
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,800
stride.
I think Quran has does a good
845
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,160
job of putting all those things
together and that allows him to
846
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,520
work against these wide
receivers that are 6263 and can
847
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,400
run.
I think that's been a that was a
848
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880
really good thing, you know,
from last, from last game and
849
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040
the game before where he's just
not going to be afraid of
850
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,560
anyone.
I guess he doesn't really care.
851
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,760
Every time you ask him about,
you know, why do you want to
852
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,720
come back to the P4 level?
And he's like, that's, this is
853
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,840
where I, I feel like I belong.
And he, he feels like he needs
854
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040
to show that every single week.
Yeah.
855
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,960
And I mean around this part like
a lot of people were kind of
856
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,400
upset that when the recruiting
was going on for Friday that
857
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,600
that he was somebody that we
missed on or didn't really
858
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,800
pursue with the with the vigor,
I think a lot of people wanted
859
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,040
to.
So seeing him kind of circle
860
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,320
back around there is really
interesting.
861
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,920
From Portsmouth and of course he
went to Norcom.
862
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840
So, but you mentioned him about
being out with Kansas.
863
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,800
I mean, he did it last week
against GT3 past deflections
864
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360
back in 2020.
And I know that was an awkward
865
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,880
season, third in the Big 12 in
past deflections.
866
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,080
That just that just says to me
when you see a guy have a lot of
867
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,240
past deflection, they're
understanding the route
868
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,840
concepts.
They understand when they need
869
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,080
to get their hands in there.
And I'm sure there's some P is
870
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,720
and stuff.
But overall, that tally, let me
871
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,440
pitch to you real quick who you
got.
872
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920
So defensive line, I'm going to
throw it to Cameron.
873
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Who, who do we need to look at,
who we need to worry about?
874
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640
I think I know who you're going
to say his first name is
875
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,840
probably Gabe.
But who on your defensive line
876
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
do I need to worry about?
Yeah, I mean, so actually the
877
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,880
first one I was going to, I was
going to bring up will be his
878
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,840
running mate, Langston Hardy,
kind of the other defensive end,
879
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,280
you know, when you kind of look
through snap counts, Gabe, Gabe
880
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,720
has been a really good, good
player at at his at his end, but
881
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,360
they've kind of gets club on his
hand.
882
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,800
I think I'm pretty sure he broke
his hand during fall camp.
883
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Really hard to tackle when you
have a club on your head.
884
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,280
But they've used him as a as a
power rusher and he's been
885
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680
really good both Langston Hardy
Langston's turned into he came
886
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,560
over from UConn, his brother on
the team as well, son of former
887
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,000
NFL player Kevin Hardy.
Yes, you're that old.
888
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,920
It is Langston.
Langston has returned to a true
889
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,200
just strong side defensive end.
He's solid in the past game.
890
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
He's setting the edge in the run
game like he is.
891
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Well, sometimes it's not going
to be as flashy as you wanted to
892
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
be.
It's been it's been amazing.
893
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,840
But I think the the under The
Dirty work guy Mateen, I'd be
894
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Ragba, you know, transferred a
couple years ago from Georgetown
895
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,440
red Cat.
I think he redshirted last year,
896
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,600
but just didn't really play was
getting used to adjusting to his
897
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,840
body.
They brought him in kind of as
898
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
an end that could play tackle.
And then now we find out.
899
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,720
Oh, no, no, no, you're you're a
defensive tackle, big dog.
900
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,600
And you know, he's been one of
the best, not in the ACC, but
901
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,280
nationally at getting pressures.
He's just he's popped up on NFL
902
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,880
draft boards of hey, you know, I
think it was the Senior Bowl
903
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,200
that nothing was Mike Renner
that that posted something today
904
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,120
that was, you know, he possibly
could be a top 100 pick in the
905
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,360
NFL draft.
You know, Mateen has been
906
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,240
someone has the hands are great.
He's hit their violent hands.
907
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,840
He's he's just he's cutting
through double teams.
908
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,040
He's been a great guy in the
run, the run game.
909
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920
He has been kind of their
stalwart and they they love all
910
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,800
their D TS.
I think Jaden Lovin's been good.
911
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Zach Lovitin's been good.
Dallas Lava has been good, but
912
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Mateen is kind of went from
being a guy of that I during
913
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,480
spring and fall camp.
I was like, OK, you know what,
914
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,800
let's see if he can be a
rotational guy to being like, Oh
915
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,240
no, I need you on the on the
field, as many snaps as you can
916
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:44,400
possibly handle right now.
Very nice, don't have a hands
917
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,000
full with that defensive line
guys always.
918
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Always, always man trenches.
Are always going to be a
919
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,720
struggle, man, They, they, they
do such a good job up front
920
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,760
always, I mean.
Technically sound.
921
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Y'all are always Cameron.
Y'all are always.
922
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
I mean, I can remember the game
a few years ago.
923
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,680
We did win the game fortunately,
but y'all are one of the more
924
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
technically sound on both sides
of the line.
925
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,520
You never, like you said, there
are certain guys you mentioned
926
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520
on offense where well, you
really don't notice them because
927
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,240
they're not getting killed.
They're not doing anything
928
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,600
unbelievable, but they're not
getting killed.
929
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,080
And sometimes that's what you
need.
930
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,480
You need something to steady the
ship.
931
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
So let me ask this for you as we
kind of get ready to wrap it up.
932
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,280
And do you have been a wealth of
knowledge you are educating the
933
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
public.
So first of all, before I ask
934
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,840
this question, when do you when
are you going to drop your
935
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,160
preview episode for the Hopies?
I think I'll drop mine on
936
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Thursday.
I think that's when I'm.
937
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,080
That's inside the forest.
So again, I think I'm loving to
938
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,920
hear what I can't wait to hear
what you got to say about us.
939
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,360
But let's just go to this for
you for this game.
940
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Give a prediction if you want.
If you're not there yet, that's
941
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,560
fine.
But what is going to be like a
942
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,640
couple keys to you to say if
Wake Forest on Saturday
943
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,680
afternoon, about 4:00 wins this
game, it's because.
944
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,280
Besides injuries, I think the
number one thing, emotions, you
945
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,560
know, it's really hard to
quantify it, but that is that
946
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360
was such an emotional game,
regardless of how it ended with
947
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,520
the, you know, the, the offsides
and stuff of that nature.
948
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,800
It's it's a that's a really hard
game to play, win or lose.
949
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Like you Wake Forest poured out
everything they had in that
950
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,840
game.
And even if they won, I'd still
951
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,440
be circling this game as a just
man that this is the ultimate
952
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
let down spot.
You've got a team that hasn't
953
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,640
necessarily quit on their
interim.
954
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,800
It's homecoming.
Blacksburg's always in just a
955
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,040
frustrating place for anyone to
play.
956
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,160
How do you how do you get up
again?
957
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,840
You know, how do you how do you
get up again?
958
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,320
And I think that, you know,
emotionally is wake, you know,
959
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,960
are they going to come out
sluggish?
960
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,360
Are they going to come out with
penalties, you know, left and
961
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,360
right?
Or are they going to bust some
962
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,800
coverages for the first time?
You know what?
963
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,280
What does that look like, you
know, from a kind of a big
964
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,760
picture standpoint?
But in general, I think, you
965
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,320
know, from on the field, I
talked about it a little bit
966
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,280
earlier, You know, the red zone,
I think this is a movable force
967
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,120
versus a stoppable object.
That is what this is in the red
968
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,160
zone.
And I think, you know, if Wade
969
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,880
can get down to the red zone and
convert for touchdowns, they're
970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,400
going to feel a lot better about
where they are because I think
971
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,720
they're going to treat Kyron
drones decently the same way
972
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,600
that they did Haines King, which
was we're going to put everyone
973
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,520
in the box.
You want to beat us with your
974
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,800
arm.
Good job you, you got it.
975
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,360
Have fun.
I don't know if, you know,
976
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320
either team wants this to be a
shootout.
977
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,720
I think both teams want this to
be kind of a get out the mud.
978
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,040
Someone's going to have to win a
bar fight here.
979
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
And I think, you know, if we
can, it's whoever wins kind of
980
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,720
those scoring opportunities in a
game that's going to be, you
981
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,480
know, probably somewhere around
a 27 to 21 or a, you know, AI
982
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,040
don't know if it gets 30, but a
2824 kind of game, you know,
983
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,760
whoever gets the 2428 and not
24.
984
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,960
I think that's where that's
going to be, you know, the most
985
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,640
critical part of who's who's
kicking field goals versus who's
986
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,880
actually getting to the end
zone.
987
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,080
So you got that winning line
somewhere in the the mid to
988
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,120
upper 20s then?
Yeah, I, I just with this Wake
989
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
team, I think, you know, in
general, people before the
990
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,080
season kept asking, you know,
this team's going to fly because
991
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
they're used to like the 2019
and 2022 week that was just
992
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,600
throwing the ball over the
place.
993
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,800
And I was like, I don't know if
they have the def to necessarily
994
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
play that.
I think also it helps you a lot,
995
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,320
you know, especially if your
team that likes to run the ball,
996
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
you know, you look up 6 minutes
are off the clock and it's like,
997
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,280
well, man, we get we get a, we
get a three and out here we can
998
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,400
just basically milk this entire
first quarter.
999
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,520
This score is done.
And so I think that's a fun way
1000
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,080
if you're a team that's trying
to find your identity and trying
1001
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,120
to find being this tough team of
cool, you don't.
1002
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,920
If you don't get to touch the
ball, that's your fault, not
1003
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,160
mine.
Yeah.
1004
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,240
And I mean, it's it's going to
be interesting, you know,
1005
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,480
contrast to styles.
I mean, we've we've definitely
1006
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,880
been a team that has dominated
in in most of the games time of
1007
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880
possession, but we don't really
have a ton of points to show for
1008
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,720
it in a lot of cases.
So it's going to be interesting
1009
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,800
to see what that looks like
against a Wake team that's also
1010
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,600
trying to, you know, ball
control to a good degree for
1011
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,000
most of the game.
No, I'm I'm excited.
1012
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,320
I think it'll be and I think,
and I think The thing is, I
1013
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,960
think when people say, you know,
these low scoring kind of time
1014
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,600
of possession games, those are
boring.
1015
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,800
No, I think those are some of
the most fun games because I
1016
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,600
think that's when you start
seeing those third and two third
1017
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,800
and three.
Sort of everyone wants the wacky
1018
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,040
kind of trick play and something
that's where you'll see them.
1019
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040
It's I know I can't get two or
three yards in the ground.
1020
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,160
I got to figure out another way
to do something like that.
1021
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,360
I think that's where you start.
That's that's where you start
1022
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,800
seeing these wacky plays of
Georgia Tech trying to do they
1023
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,080
they ran a fake punt on four on
4th and eight.
1024
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Like that's where you start
seeing the the the team start
1025
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,400
actually getting in their bags
and these kind of slower paced
1026
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,840
games of trying to find that
extra 2-3 yards.
1027
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
That's kind of what we did,
yeah.
1028
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,720
That's what we kind of went into
with the, the North North
1029
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,840
Carolina State win, like you
said, the low 20s, you know who
1030
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,400
can get to 24 and win it.
So now very good, very good
1031
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,880
analysis.
Cameron, we definitely
1032
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,760
appreciate you spending a little
bit of time with us.
1033
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,520
Lemons being in your name.
Life gave you lemons.
1034
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,840
You made lemonade, all that good
stuff, man.
1035
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,080
We appreciate you coming in.
Do you got any shout outs that
1036
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,440
you want to throw out before we
before we get you out of here?
1037
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080
I mean, the other thing I'll
ever promote is my Twitter,
1038
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,760
though you'll have some terrible
takes on the Eagles, Wake Forest
1039
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,400
and Braves.
It's act and lemons and under
1040
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,120
score.
I'm afterwards, but I really
1041
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,240
appreciate this.
This is always I love talking
1042
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,120
football, love talking ball.
I'm always happy man.
1043
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,560
We will remember this and
appreciate you educating us
1044
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,160
because that's what this is for.
This is this is your team you're
1045
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,080
talking about and we can do the
research.
1046
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,600
We can look, we look at the tape
and and and you know, we know
1047
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,480
some things, but this is your
team.
1048
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,680
So it's great to hear from you,
man.
1049
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,680
I appreciate it.
Go ahead, Tally.
1050
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,200
Before you let them go now I was
just going to say everybody go
1051
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,600
follow cameraman Cameron.
If you if you see any of us on
1052
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,200
Twitter X, whatever they want to
call it nowadays, please, man.
1053
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,920
Hey, we got bad takes and crazy
takes too.
1054
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,040
Definitely like you said,
Braves, I feel your pain.
1055
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,600
So we will be in misery
together.
1056
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,160
Oh, yes, Sir, Yes, Sir.
We appreciate you, man.
1057
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,760
Well, thank you, man.
We're going to let you get out
1058
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,440
of here, Cameron.
Hey, guys.
1059
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,600
Appreciate you, Cameron.
All right, that was.
1060
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,880
Cameron Lemons Debro bringing
the Heat bringing all the info
1061
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,080
about the Wake Forest Demon
Deacons leading into the game
1062
00:53:22,720 --> 00:54:31,940
this Saturday at 1:00.
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