Know the Enemy - NC State

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And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner podcast along with my

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partner, Brian Siegler, I am
Curtis Wilson and this episode

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Man, Andretti is on a heater
already right up the gate.

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We hadn't even we hadn't even
gotten fired up just right

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through the music running,
running through the like a

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fullback, going through a goal
line right there.

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Just soon we are going to get to
that time.

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We.
Got the funds to get saved right

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out the gate.
We got the funds to get saved

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and huh, hey, hey you.
Know what until until we see

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different, keep that energy.
Keep that.

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Energy, I told you, I'll give us
a couple weeks, let some things

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unfold.
You just saw how much money.

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We'll talk about that a little
bit later.

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We're coming off a win.
We're not going to go O and

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12:00 this year. 1 and 11 is
still there, but we're not going

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O and 12, which would have been
the worst record since in the

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last 75.
Years, I think we still, we

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still got a, we're, we're coast
alone, but we're keeping the

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scoring streak alive so far as
well.

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So far as well.
So tonight what do we got?

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We are going to tell the truth.
Couple things from the Wofford

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game.
Observations, ideas, thoughts we

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saw from that.
We are going to talk about the

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BOV stuff that came out earlier
this week.

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Few other things as well, but to
kick it off tonight we have got

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us a guest and we are going to
get to little.

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Get to know a little bit more
about the enemy in the NC State

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Wolfpack. 7:00 Saturday night on
The CW, which I'm going to be

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interested to see the ratings
this game pulls because I have

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seen NC State and Virginia Tech
both pull 700 + 1000 against

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really shitty opponents.
Where's Tally?

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Tally's taking care of some
business.

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He might slip in and he might
not literally taking care of

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business.
And Sheldon's taking care is in

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business too.
So it's it's it's the O GS here.

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But like I said, we're going to
get to know the enemy tonight.

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We are bringing Evan on from the
Red and White podcast to give us

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a little background.
Evan, good evening, Sir.

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How are you?
I'm good.

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Thanks for having me fellas.
Well, we appreciate you coming

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on, man.
So Evan, we know that you host

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the Red and White podcast with
your buddy.

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Will give us a little background
how it came to be with the

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podcast and then just a little
bit about yourselves.

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Oh man, so back in 2008 maybe.
Maybe.

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Before that 2009, yeah, it was
that we were tailgating for the

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spring game with my buddy, my
buddy Dustin that time went man,

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there's nothing, nothing good to
listen to and sports radio at

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the time in the area and still
kind of does very antagonistic

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towards NC State in particular
and didn't like it, right.

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And that's what's our podcast
and we started at my house in

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the room together and that was
God a long time ago and we've

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been doing ever since.
Dustin went on to do better

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things.
I did it by myself for a little

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while, found Will and he's been
with me for the last 5-6 years

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now probably.
We're getting close to overall

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million downloads over all this
time.

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Yeah, so pretty happy before
we've been built a nice little

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community.
And yeah, it's, it's my therapy

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for being an NC State fan, man.
I just get people ask why you do

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it.
It's like, I don't know.

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I enjoyed, I enjoyed doing it,
enjoy talking about it and just

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makes me feel feel good.
Well, first they are the.

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They are the 2 deep of.
NC State and you know what I

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hear the million downloads I
like I hear that it's like

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there's a goal for the future
right there.

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Now, Evan, you, you mentioned
being the NC State fan and you

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know, the antagonistic views
down there in the triangle for

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NC State.
But but how did you yourself

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become, Did you go to state or
was it just born, raised?

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This is what it's always been.
Man, when I moved to North

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Carolina, I was about 8, 9
maybe, and my brother was going,

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ended up going to college at NC
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It was, he was freshman year,
whatever.

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My family moved down and there's
about that timer, but it's like

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we got to pick one.
It was state Carolina or Duke.

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And I was like, well, my
brother's going there, right?

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And my sister ended up going to
Carolina, but a few years after.

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But yeah, we have always pretty
much been a state household from

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that moment on.
And yeah, just been in my blood

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at this point.
I love hearing that.

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I love hearing that.
We're, I mean, we're we're guys

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that have been fans since going
back to 95, since we really

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started following the sport.
We've been Virginia Tech fans

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and yeah, both of us spend a lot
of time in Blacksburg.

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Love the place, love the area.
So it's, it's nice here and not

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only, you know, roots from a,
you know, alumni standpoint, but

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also just roots to the area and
you know, just to love a place I

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think is important as well.
Yeah, yeah.

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Eventually moved to about.
I was less than a mile from

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Carter from the at one point.
So we used to be able to walk to

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the games, right.
And then when I had kids and

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whatnot, we moved a little
farther away.

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But yeah, that was, it was an
addiction.

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It was real.
Being close, being close to the

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stadium was good.
And yeah, so I've, I've been

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there.
I understand that.

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I've got to ask, what years did
you live that close to the

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stadium?
2008 to 2014 I believe is when I

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moved 20 somewhere around there,
20/14/2016 somewhere in that

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range.
OK.

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So there are a couple you know
20/10/20 what 20/10/2011?

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Don't don't bring up the 2010
game.

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Don't bring up the 2010 game.
It's still I still have

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nightmares of.
David.

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Wilson coming out of high school
coming out of half time, state's

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leading 17/7 and 1/2 time and
like, yeah, we're feeling good.

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Pretty much owned that game
early on opening kick, David

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Wilson takes 90 plus yards to
the house for a touchdown.

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And it just like how did he just
completely lost control of that

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game ended up losing 4130 or
something like that.

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Like I still burned my my brain.
It's just still see him running

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a kick off return back.
It's just, oh God, nightmares.

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It's OK, it's OK.
One of our best friends has the

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same memories.
He coached against him in high

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school.
He had to deal with it for

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multiple years.
So David Wilson running down the

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sideline so he knows your pain.
So.

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It's just that was one of those
you sorry, one of those years

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that you know it stay at stake
ended up going nine and four

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that year.
Just another example of just

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being so close to it and then
just letting it sit away.

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And that was that particular
game of Virginia Tech wasn't as

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good and you just had control of
it and you just blew it.

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Yeah.
So anyway.

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What do I ever feel bad about
2010?

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Because 2010, we reeled off 11
straight wins after the Open and

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two losses.
Y'all were the first win that

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year.
Y'all basically.

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Oh, you're welcome.
Yeah.

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Yeah. 14 years, 15 years ago.
But let's get into what you know

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about and which is the NC State
Wolf Pack.

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And let's talk about your team
and kind of your feelings.

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And I want to start on the
offensive side of the ball

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because as I was doing my
research, everybody knows

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Hollywood Smothers and we want.
You to talk about.

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But Y'all right now are one of
the most explosive teams in

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college football. 10 to 20 yard
plays.

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Y'all are 12th in the nation.
Y'all are top 30 in both 20 to

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30 yard plays and 30 to 40 yard
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Y'all are an explosive team.
And I am assuming Hollywood is a

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lot to do with that.
Hollywood is, and I put this out

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to to our people and in my
opinion, he's the best back

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we've had since TA McClendon.
That was a long time ago.

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He is a difference maker.
He's everything to this team.

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He's he just makes everybody
else look better and he's Got

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Talent around him.
But he is he is it man.

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He is so good at just making
things happen.

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He doesn't quit and he's a
little dude and he will, he will

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try to run you over.
He will try to run around you.

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He will do, he will do anything
he he can to help his team win.

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I forgot one of the quotes
recently.

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It was after the maybe the UVA
game and they said somebody said

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something to him.
It's like, I, I don't know, we

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won.
That's what I'm worried about in

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my yeah.
Like it was a very candid answer

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and he genuinely didn't care
about how many yards he had.

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And you're like, that's that's
refreshing.

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We've had some Migos in the
past.

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And man, I, I'm a huge Hollywood
Smothers fan and he is, he is

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the core to, you know, Dave
Doran has always wanted to have

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a running run first team and
he's never really had a good run

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game, which is whatever.
But he's finally got Hollywood

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Smothers that you can bank on to
just make everybody else look

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good.
Offensive line looks better

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because Hollywood Smothers is
running.

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I mean, he is, he is the real
deal.

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He's so good and I love watching
him play.

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Yeah, man, having, you know,
looking like last year, having

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Basil tuned in the backfield,
like there was a difference of

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having that type of playmaker in
the backfield.

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Looks like you've got that with
Smothers, you know, 5th in yards

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in the country, 6.29 per carry.
I mean, just putting up some

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borderline video game numbers at
this point and it's impressive

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and it's definitely something
that's got me concerned as a

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hokey fan.
It's like how you going to you

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got you got to contain this.
You're not going to stop him,

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but you got to be able to not
let him ring off those big plays

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or turn those, you know, 5 to 7
yarders into those 20 and 30

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yarders that we've seen.
It's got y'all put in a pretty

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good spot as far as those big
plays in the country.

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And let's talk about that too.
And we can build off that.

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Looking at CJ Bailey, how does
what he does within this offense

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also compliment the skill set
that Smothers brings to the

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table?
Yeah, I totally ignored Curtis's

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question.
I apologize for that.

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Hollywood has got a a group
around him of other skill

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players that really the the
combination is really what makes

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it work, right?
I mean, he is, he's that good.

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CJ Bailey looks better because
he's got Hollywood Smothers

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there.
He he can, you know, lean on

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Smothers more than we've had in
the past.

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And CJ Bailey, man, you know, I
was critical of him last year

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and not not a negative way.
He was a freshman quarterback.

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He was, you know, 18 years old
in high school.

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He's thrown to Jeremiah Smith
and the other guy.

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I forgot.
And you just like he didn't have

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to do much, right?
He didn't have to learn.

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He's like, OK, Jeremiah, you go
that way and I'm going to throw

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it that way and he can Chuck it
a long way.

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Like it was it was not a hard
game for him.

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So he you could see that in his
freshman year, like he was

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nervous in the pocket.
He wasn't looking downfield.

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And this year he has made a
humongous leap and he has been

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so much better with his pocket
presence.

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He's keeping his eyes downfield,
extending plays right, not just

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bailing out and running.
I think his development this

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year has just been it's been
better than I think anybody

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could, could have expected.
Like, I know he's talented, but

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to see him mature as a
quarterback is really what's

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making this team, you know, come
together.

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He he's phenomenal.
He's got the pieces around him.

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But really he has developed a
lot this year.

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And I know Kurt Roper is one of
the reasons he stayed this year.

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And you can see those two, you
know what has come from it.

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And he keeps getting better
every week.

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He did have a great week last
week, but nobody did.

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And it wasn't his fault
completely.

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I mean, but every game this year
he has gotten just a little bit

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better.
I wish they would change some

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things and how they're using
him, but that's just a armchair

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quarterback for you.
But he's just, he's phenomenal.

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He's such a good player.
And he's still young, right?

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He's only his, he's really his
second year.

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You know, he's still a year and
a quarter into college football,

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right?
So he's still young and he's

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still getting better.
But his development this year is

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just what is keeping this team
as aggressive as it has been.

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Yeah, and his you know, his, his
statistics is here.

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You know, he's on, he's on track
for over 3000 yards.

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He's above 70%.
I think it's 72 or right at 72

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more touchdowns than he had last
year.

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And that's what Smothers
primarily carrying the ball,

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which is which is always the
thing you have that dominant of

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a running back.
If your quarterback is trending

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in the right direction for, you
know, additional passing

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touchdowns, it's always helps
out.

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Let me flip back real quick to
Smothers because it's one of

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those stories, right?
West, Charlotte, Kidd, North

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Carolina grown y'all go after
him as hard as you can and a

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blue blood comes in and takes
him.

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What was the story of him coming
back?

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Was it I went to Oklahoma.
It it, it wasn't right because

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we're getting this more and more
it more and more what I would

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call 15 to 40 schools, good
schools, good programs in state.

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Kid leaves because always
greener pastures at the blue

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bloods and then they come back.
So what was his story with that?

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Yeah, exact, exact same thing.
He did give us a chance out of

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high school.
I mean, we were close and and

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just like my NCAA 26 dynasty
man, I got to recruit a guy and

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I'm right in the end.
And then Georgia comes in the

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end and offers him like, damn,
like I was recruiting all

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season, right?
It's the same thing happened

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here.
He ended up going to Oklahoma.

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Oklahoma got a ton of talent,
right?

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And there was a coaching change
in Oklahoma and they had that

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transition period there.
But we NC State makes a lot of

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makes their living on those kind
of kids that leave and come

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back, right?
I mean, it's just we have the

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good relationships.
And one of our coaches said at

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some point, yeah, we'll get him
on the flip side, right?

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We'll get him when he wants to
come back home.

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Noah Rodgers went to a hot from
Wake County.

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It went to Ohio State came back
to Raleigh, right?

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I mean, he's five star kid out
of high school and you know,

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Hollywood's no different, right.
It's easy for those kids to come

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home.
It's kind of a safe choice.

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It's you know, what are your
options here?

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You going to go to Wake Forest
now?

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I'm not going to run slow mesh.
You're going to Carolina now.

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They don't care about football.
You come back, you come here,

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right?
It's come somewhere we can play.

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And I think you'll see a lot of
kids do that.

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And it's not not a surprise that
you end up here.

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And he's a perfect cultural fit.
He's just a perfect fit here.

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But he comes back here.
He's close to home.

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He said, you know, my parents
come to the games now and just

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it feels better for me.
And you know, he's a rolling

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kid.
He's he's, he's going to be

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here.
As much as.

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I like I like the the fun
disrespect that you shared a

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Wake Forest.
Yeah, that was, that was great.

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That was great.
All right, now I want to talk

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about another guy now.
Thanks for that story.

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It's one we've seen so much.
We've seen it here at Tech for

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the last few years.
But let's talk about a higher

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recruited in state guy that you
brought and he's producing on

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the field this year.
And Terrell Anderson, that guy

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was a top 100 player, top 20
wide out.

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It seems everyone was on him.
Everybody thought he was going

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to Georgia.
Joker Phillips, If you don't

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know the name Joker Phillips,
you ain't been around on college

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football long enough because
that man can recruit his ass

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off.
But this year really stepping

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out, you know, averaging I think
what close to 20 yards catch

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over like borderline at 300
yards in the first four games.

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What have you seen him do?
Because he played a lot last

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year, didn't have the stats.
What has he done for you?

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Impressive this year.
Last year was it was weird.

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I think the most critical point
was how they use the wide

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receivers last year and the
rotations.

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You you didn't you couldn't get
anybody into a flow.

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So I don't hold any of that
against him.

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And he was a freshman, right?
But when I did see him on the

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field the first time was like,
who is that?

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And why is a tight end, you
know, line up in the X and

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you're like, that's not a tight
end, That's that's Terrell

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Anderson.
Oh my God, that guy's enormous.

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Like he is bigger than you think
he would for beer waters If he's

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thick and he has come out, he's
come on this year, right?

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I think.
And he stays done a better job

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of being more consistent with
their rotations, especially the

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skill positions.
And guys like Keaton Jackson and

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Terrell Anderson are, are
getting the benefit of that.

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I, I really like Terrell
Anderson.

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He's been, I don't even want to
call him a possession guy, but

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he's just been reliable.
Like you would consider a

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possession guy.
But state is spreading it around

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like our, our, we had 10 guys
get 4 catches.

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Was it last week or the week
before?

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And I'm like, it's just, when
has that happened?

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Right?
It was just, they're being

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productive and they're being
productive because they can

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spread around to anybody, right?
One day it might be Lester

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Grimes, one day it might be King
Jackson.

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It's the best wide receiver
group we've had in a long time.

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I, I can't even remember the
last time we had a group that

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you could literally rely on any
one of these dudes, any at any

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game.
And Charlie Anderson's no

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different.
I I really like him and people,

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when people see him, just his
sheer size, it's just bigger

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than you would expect, you know,
especially coming out of high

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school.
It's like, man, I thought he was

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going to be a skinny, tall wide
receiver, but he's a thick boy.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he's, he's got to

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build.
We we've already seen a bigger

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wide receiver.
You know, we we had Nick Harbor

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earlier in the year.
The South Carolina, obviously, I

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don't think Anderson's quite
that big, but certainly just as

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thick has that like almost
running back type build, like a

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tall running back can can kind
of run through you, run by you.

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I'm a I'm a little concerned
just because we didn't match up

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that great in that game and we
really the only person that beat

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us in that game was Nick
Harbour.

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One time, one time he.
Beat us.

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He beat us one time, but he beat
us.

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He he beat us a couple times
over on the digs as well.

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So he was getting separation.
Obviously we, we were fighting a

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couple different battles on our
end at this point between

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coaching changes and, you know,
potential, you know, opt outs

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and things coming down the Pike.
So we'll, we'll see what this

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game looks like this week in,
in, in any additional roster

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churn that we may see as the as
the season goes along.

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Let's flip it over the offensive
line a little bit.

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You, you, you said earlier that,
you know, a guy like Smothers is

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making them better.
Where have you seen the most

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improvement in that unit this
year?

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Yeah, I mean, improvement wise,
I'd say run blocking, but again,

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I don't know how much of that is
Hollywood Smothers.

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I'm not well versed enough to be
picking apart PFF grades for

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offensive lineman.
I can tell if a guy with some

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block or is kind of out of
position or you know, like we

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let a damn field goal get
blocked from 10 yards because

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they weren't doing their job.
Like those things are obvious,

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but run blocking as a whole has
been better.

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But I think a lot of that is is
smothers.

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He's a better running back than
we've had pass blocking.

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They've been pretty good over
the last few years, but we've

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just struggled to run the ball
and, you know, basically control

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the line of scrimmage.
But I I think they've improved a

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little bit this year.
They're still trying to find

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their rotation and they were
nine different offensive line

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line UPS last game.
And I think it was the same for

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Wake Forest.
They just haven't figured out a

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couple spots like right guard
and a guy starting and then he

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didn't play much and then just
kind of moving guys around.

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So that I mean, that's still our
biggest area concern.

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I think they'll figure it out.
But they've they've been better

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than they have in the recent
years and particularly run

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blocking.
Right pass blocking has been

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pretty consistent for them over
the last 3-4 years, but run

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blocking just always been SUS.
I just, I really attribute a lot

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of that to smother.
So I just he just makes

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everybody look better.
All right.

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I want to bring up one other guy
that kind of goes with the line

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because yeah, we, we, we jumped
into PFF this week and looking

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at some of your height and
graded players and Terrell was

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there, Bailey was there, some
others was there, backup

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quarterback was there.
But there was this guy at the

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top of the list.
And at first, I overlooked and

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said it's a tight end.
And I just kind of said I

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probably had like 8 snaps, went
back and looked a little bit

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closer. close to 100 snaps has
one catch and he's ranked

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borderline at a 90 PFF.
And when you think PFF grades,

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if you're not catching a lot of
passes and you're grading almost

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a 90, that means you are run
blocking your ass off and that's

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Cody Hardy.
What has he meant?

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Because 25 snaps a game
averaging on the field, and when

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you grade that high, he's got to
be popping off on paper some of

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his blocks.
Yeah, he has.

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He did, especially in that Duke
game.

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I, I wouldn't say he is.
I don't know.

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He's found his role, I guess, so
to speak.

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He hasn't been somebody they've
utilized a lot because he's

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behind Justin Jolie, who was
just phenomenal tight end.

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But Hardy is the more physical
version and they've been using

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him sort of wing back, tight
end, kind of moving him around,

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doing different things for him.
He's a transfer, came in from

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Elon.
They've talked about him all

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summer and they really liked
him.

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I don't think they've seen we've
seen his usage on what they

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would like yet.
But again, they're spreading the

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ball around so much that I don't
know if you'll key on one guy in

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every on every game.
I guess it's just going to be

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somebody different.
It's what we had every, every

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game this year, somebody from
the, you know, skill position

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spot.
It's just been a different

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person every year, Wes, or every
game.

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Wesley Grimes, Tyrell Anderson,
Key and Jack's had a real good

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game last, you know, last game.
So it's kind of all over the

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place.
I like Cody Hardy's from his

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physical nature, but they
haven't, yeah, I haven't

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utilized him in the way that I
think they will in the future

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where he's a little bit more
flexible than just a blocker.

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Yeah, good deal.
We're going to flip it over to

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the defense and, and when we do,
we'll kind of we'll, we'll,

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we'll put this comment up there
and we'll let you kind of lead

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off with answering this and then
we'll kind of go from there.

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The defense is a sieve.
Yeah, I mean, being honest,

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somebody in my podcast community
said said it.

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And it's still a quote of the
year for me is just the DJ

446
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,280
Elliott Higher, which is our new
defensive coordinator.

447
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,000
Everybody kind of sussed like
where'd this guy come from is

448
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560
going to look brilliant and I'm
going to be happy with it

449
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,520
because it's making Dave Doran
want to score more points,

450
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,840
right?
That's always been the biggest

451
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,200
thing is a lot of aggression on
offense.

452
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,640
But you've got to score now
because you have no idea what

453
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,960
you're going to get from the
defense.

454
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Now.
We have played three of the top

455
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,320
35 most explosive offenses,
passing offenses this year, ECU,

456
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,120
Virginia and Duke.
And I don't we don't see anybody

457
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,160
else in the top 70 for a while
until Notre Dame.

458
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,600
So, you know, I try.
I try.

459
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,160
Probably not us.
I, I try to factor that in, you

460
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,920
know, when, when evaluating the
defense, because we've had two

461
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,880
games in the ECU game and the
weight game where they have just

462
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,520
absolutely bottled up the
opposing team, right?

463
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,160
Just did absolutely nothing wake
everybody's worried about

464
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Claiborne and they had 29 yards
in the second-half.

465
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,800
Like that's just absurd.
And I don't know, I I don't

466
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,560
nobody trusts our defense to to
do anything, but they've been

467
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,760
pretty good on 1st and 2nd down.
We can't get off the field on

468
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,920
3rd down like is that?
Yeah, 1.4 in the country, that's

469
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,560
that's painful.
Right.

470
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,640
I mean, is like, is that going
to be consistent all year?

471
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,400
I, I got a feeling they got to
get better with that, but it is

472
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040
annoying.
I don't, I don't really know

473
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,160
like the defense is bad, like
there's some pieces, but I don't

474
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,440
know what they're doing right.
It's just self-inflicted wounds

475
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,360
and just dumb.
And again, if, if it makes our

476
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,040
offense have to actually be
interesting and score more

477
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,240
points, then OK, I'll deal with
it.

478
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Right.
It's just college football these

479
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,160
days.
Score more points and the

480
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,440
defense is going to give
everything up.

481
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,880
Like, yeah, I don't know, the
defense is terrible.

482
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,440
We've we've got some players,
we've got some, you know, Key

483
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,400
and Sloan and Sebastian Harsh, 2
guys that transferred in super

484
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,520
solid, had been really
productive.

485
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,160
Sloan was out last game, Harsh
was out for the first half of

486
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,160
the last game.
The secondary, you know, we're

487
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,200
just just not there like they
hadn't come together.

488
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Safeties leave a lot to desire.
Corners have been hit or miss,

489
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,080
right?
They be boom or bust, man.

490
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,360
They're playing really good or
just blowing every coverage and

491
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,960
you just don't know what to
expect.

492
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,840
And then, you know, what we've
usually banked on is our

493
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,400
linebacker play.
And I'll be honest, Kaden Ford,

494
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
my thought, he's been pretty bad
most of this year.

495
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,080
I mean, he's had his moments and
people who are, I don't know,

496
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,240
people look at the numbers and
look, he's got total tackles,

497
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,160
you know, but doesn't tell this
whole story.

498
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,040
Look at his PFF grades and put a
little bit more of the picture

499
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,280
together and he's, you know,
averaging like a 50 in PFF.

500
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,880
And like that's your that's your
captain, that's your starting

501
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,720
linebacker, starting middle
linebacker.

502
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Like you got to be better there.
But he just, I don't know if

503
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,520
it's the injury or what it is,
but maybe the defensive scheme

504
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,080
change.
But it's been he's slow to react

505
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,680
and just doesn't seem like he's
the guy there and like he's

506
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,800
done.
He's better when he's trying to

507
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,080
be him and not Peyton Wilson
making every play.

508
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,080
But you know, Shawn Brown is
basically anchoring that

509
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,280
linebacker crew.
And now we lost AJ Richardson,

510
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,880
who they haven't said he's out
for the year, but he's out for

511
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,200
the year.
And he came in, he was ultra

512
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880
productive kid from Norfolk
State.

513
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280
And I, I liked him early on.
He was one of my breakout

514
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720
players.
And you know, he hurt, he got

515
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,960
hurt and that's that that really
hurts your your production at

516
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440
the linebacker spot.
And I, I don't think they have a

517
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,880
lot of guys they really like
there.

518
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,240
So it, it is a concern and the
defense as a whole has just been

519
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,040
not been good.
They, they've got to score more

520
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,480
points is what it's going to
come down to.

521
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,080
Otherwise, they're going to.
It's going to be a long year.

522
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,920
It's really funny, Brian.
Literally, we had everything

523
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,440
mapped to who to talk about with
defense.

524
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,600
Clearly this is a pain point for
you because you hit every single

525
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,040
thing we were going to talk
about.

526
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,840
We were going to talk about the
safety play.

527
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,240
We were going to talk about your
edge guys and this, I love it

528
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,440
because I'm sitting here, we're
talking.

529
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Nope, he just talked about that.
He talked about.

530
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,960
That, oh, I mean, I can keep
going.

531
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,280
You know what, And you hit the
points and you know, when I was

532
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,080
watching some of the tape and,
and kind of going through

533
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,520
things, I was like, OK, well,
you got a pretty good decent

534
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,560
look in front.
You know, especially the the

535
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,760
defensive line in particular,
and then a lot of inconsistent

536
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,560
play at the linebacker position
and then very boom or bust in

537
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
the secondary.
And you really hit on all of

538
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,600
those points that I was going
through that was like, OK, all

539
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,640
right, check, check, got it.
All right, all right.

540
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
And, and that that that can
explain the whole third down

541
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,360
troubles because if you're, if
you got inconsistent play at the

542
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,240
second and third level, your
defense, you're going to

543
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,680
struggle to get off the field
third down.

544
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Yeah, I mean, and that's just
been, that's just been it.

545
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Like what are the plays in the
Duke game?

546
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,560
And it was kind of towards the
end and Duke was running out the

547
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,920
clock and we're trying to get
the ball back and they just they

548
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,400
let the little fullback run for
60 yards and touchdown the end

549
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400
of the game.
I'm like, how does that happen?

550
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Like they were Duke was just
trying to get a yard and they

551
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,520
got 60 in a tutty and you're
like, what what is going on?

552
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960
And that's just out of position.
Somebody's out of position.

553
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Just what we've been seeing all
year, Like Ronnie Royals been

554
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840
playing safety.
He's been boomer boss, made a

555
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,680
couple great plays in the weight
game, in the UVA game, and then

556
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,520
just disappears one game.
Like I can't, can't have that.

557
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,960
Yeah.
They got to get better, but it's

558
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,600
not there right now, yeah.
I'm, I'm interested to see what

559
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,280
this game turns out to be
because I mean, when we look at

560
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,480
our offense, we've been very
inconsistent with our play.

561
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,800
Very much a we go as our
emotions go really on both sides

562
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,480
of the ball.
Yeah, we, we, we have not

563
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,640
managed swings and momentum very
well.

564
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,920
We have not managed responding
when the bad play happens very

565
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,400
well.
Yeah.

566
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,840
We, we've, it's, it's basically
especially, you know, you look

567
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,200
at South Carolina, you look at
Vanderbilt and then the debacle

568
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,960
with ODU, any little bit of
adversity and we were, we were

569
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,480
folding.
You know, we'll see if that's

570
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,280
changed with a interim head
coach and a little bit more of a

571
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,000
accountability both on the field
and on the field.

572
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960
We'll, we'll see if that that
type of mentality changes a

573
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
little bit more, you know,
toughness out of this team.

574
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,520
But that's my concern is that we
we've got to manage because we

575
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320
know y'all's offense is going to
score some points.

576
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Yeah.
The question is going to be can

577
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,080
we score enough to keep up and
that that's that's really what

578
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,720
it's going to be.
And I think the talent for us to

579
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560
do so is there.
I just don't know if we are

580
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,600
consistent enough and can manage
those mentals and emotions

581
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,280
enough to be consistent enough
to score with what you guys are

582
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,320
going to do so.
Yeah, that he, he, he had it

583
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,120
right there on all the points.
To me, everything on this team

584
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,880
is right here.
Everything is right in between

585
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,360
the years for the team, right in
the mind.

586
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Because again, when bad things
happen, they don't know how to

587
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,680
stop it.
And again, we, we are now in the

588
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
coaching search.
Well, there's a lot of things

589
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,960
going on, coaching search
potential GMs, but I'm going to

590
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,680
pitch to you because in a little
while here after you jump off,

591
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,680
we'll go over our keys and our
predictions.

592
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,760
So for you looking at this game,
what's the biggest key for NC

593
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,200
State?
Whether positive, negative,

594
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,760
hokey or Wolfpack, what's the
biggest key for you in this game

595
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,640
as an NC State fan?
Don't be don't be dumb.

596
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
I mean, it's so cliche to say
don't beat yourself, but they

597
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160
absolutely just gave that game
away against Duke.

598
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,160
I mean, if you look at all the
projected win analysis, you

599
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,720
know, you know, stats of war
always puts out and you're like,

600
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,920
that's so depressing to see us
like outperform Duke at every

601
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,080
level except for turnovers and
just lose, you know, just lose

602
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080
that game.
And that is the biggest beef I

603
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,440
think everybody has with Dave
Dorn.

604
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,960
There's always one game where
you just like, what the hell

605
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,880
happened there?
And just, you know, neglecting

606
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,000
an in state opponent sometimes
awake, sometimes it's Duke and

607
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,920
you're just like, how does that
happen?

608
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,160
You're like, how does this team
that has looked so good

609
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,640
offensively just look like a hot
mess?

610
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,840
You know, we were talking about
CJ barely earlier.

611
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680
He had three picks in his game,
but they weren't his fault,

612
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,200
right?
Like the one bounced off the

613
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
receiver's hands.
The other one was the no

614
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,600
offsides call that, you know, he
threw a Hail Mary play

615
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,680
essentially and got picked.
And then the other one was in

616
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,120
the game.
You know, whatever, trying to

617
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,120
make a play, but just don't do
dumb stuff and you'll be fine,

618
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,200
right.
You know, I, I think you have

619
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
all the advantages of the world
with Virginia Tech being a hot

620
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,000
mess coming to Raleigh, you
know, a home game, you know,

621
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,800
your offense is exciting.
Like you just, you have it all

622
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
there.
Don't be dumb and you win this

623
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,880
game and it shouldn't be, you
know, shouldn't be a big issue,

624
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,640
but it's NC State and you never
know if they're going to be dumb

625
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,400
or not, man.
Just you just don't know.

626
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Like it's just.
One of those things I, I would

627
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880
love to be confident that we're
going to go and kick your ass,

628
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,720
but I've seen this before.
I, I mean, I think we're the

629
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,600
better team, but it doesn't mean
that the gap is that big that we

630
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
should, anybody should feel
comfortable, right?

631
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,760
I mean, just it's not.
And I don't know what's good The

632
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,280
weather's going to be like,
right?

633
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,960
They're projecting to be some
serious storms coming in and

634
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,719
does that play a factor, right?
It's there for us.

635
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,560
But you know, if we do what we
did against Duke, which to Dave

636
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,840
Dorn's credit, they don't
usually do dumb stuff two weeks

637
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,320
in a row, right?
They usually don't beat

638
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,080
themselves two weeks in a row.
So I feel pretty good in saying

639
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,880
that that's not going to happen.
But you never know, right?

640
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,239
You never know.
And we're not good enough to

641
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,639
cakewalk through any, any game,
right?

642
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,320
Especially not a Virginia Tech
team.

643
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,480
So, you know, if NC State, just,
I sound like a coach press

644
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
conference here, just do what
you're supposed to do, like do

645
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200
your job right, Go out and do.
Those take care of your business

646
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,640
and let them get smaller.
They may, yeah.

647
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,120
Exactly like I, I feel pretty
good about that, but that's the

648
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,720
truth, man.
I really feel like if they just

649
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,240
don't do dumb stuff, they will
be fine.

650
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,600
Lean on their guys that can
carry, lean on Hollywood, lean

651
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,600
on Jolie and you know, just do
do that, right?

652
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,200
Sit back on defense, make
Virginia Tech have to do

653
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,560
something on offense, Mick Kyron
drones have to beat you with his

654
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,760
arm, right?
I mean, these are things that

655
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,600
sounds like, I think they're
very recent.

656
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Against us.
All right, real quick before we

657
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,400
let you go, Evan, score
prediction if you do that, I

658
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,400
don't know if you do that on
your show every week, we do it

659
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,720
here.
Well, most weeks.

660
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,360
Last couple weeks been a little
bit wonky, but a lot of shit

661
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,680
going on.
But what's your score?

662
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,840
Prediction for this game, yeah,
I, I typically don't pick scores

663
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,120
because it just makes me look
stupid.

664
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,520
And I already have, you know, I
don't need any more help doing

665
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,080
that.
So I do feel like NC State's

666
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,720
going to win.
I do feel like they, they should

667
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,800
cover.
Caveat being if the weather is a

668
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,320
horrendous downpour, then take
the under.

669
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,800
That's that's my pick back in
the under.

670
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,200
All right, so Evan, real quick,
while everybody's out here, tell

671
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,360
them where they can find you,
social media, YouTube, all that

672
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,240
fun stuff so they can check out
kind of your preview what they

673
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,760
think, what y'all think those
guys are going to do.

674
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,200
Yeah, we will record, actually
usually record Wednesday night.

675
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,400
I don't know why we didn't
tonight.

676
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,280
We're a little bit informal as
you can tell.

677
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,080
But yeah, Will and I, You can
find us all at Red White Podcast

678
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120
on Twitter.
He's at NC State football on

679
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Twitter.
Redwhitenetwork.com is our

680
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,840
website and all leads to the
same places.

681
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Perfect.
Well, Evan, we appreciate you

682
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,080
taking a little bit of time this
evening to really answer pretty

683
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,960
much every question we had about
NC State going into this game.

684
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,800
I got 2 questions.
And sometimes predicting the

685
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,880
questions that are coming I.
Know I love it.

686
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,880
I got, I got a question for you.
Coaching search, man, everybody

687
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,880
wants to know about the coaching
search.

688
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Who, who?
Who's on your list?

689
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,880
We're we're, we're 10 weeks away
from November.

690
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Man, this I don't.
Care.

691
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,720
Come on.
Alright, Curtis.

692
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,360
Curtis, you've you've named
names.

693
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,800
There's one name.
Matt Campbell.

694
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,640
Matt Campbell.
Matt Campbell.

695
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,160
OK, Matt Campbell, we can double
his salary.

696
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,920
We can give him a hell of a lot
more money for his coaching

697
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,160
staff and a hell of a lot better
footprint to recruit in.

698
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,880
I like that I hadn't heard that
one.

699
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,840
I mean, that makes sense.
I, I say that and I'll throw Dan

700
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,760
Mullen in there.
It's going to be hard to get him

701
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,600
out of where he's at, though.
I feel like I, I think he's in

702
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,400
a, he's in a spot where he can
exceed.

703
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,400
They can't hate him next year.
They can't hate him next.

704
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,440
Year Dan Mullen's on my list.
Y'all can't have him.

705
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Dan Mullen's on my list.
Oh, we got.

706
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,720
I want to get rid of Dave Wade.
Of basketball, I want the

707
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,960
wilweed of football.
Y'all aren't getting Dave rid of

708
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,280
Dave Dorn this year.
I think he's retired, I think

709
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,040
he's done, I think he's tired.
If he's done, then this might be

710
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,440
a record ACC coaching
tournament.

711
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Hold on, can I tell you Evan,
what you really need to happen

712
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,080
and this will be good for y'all?
Y'all need to go 10 and two in

713
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,760
Wisconsin, come down and hire
him back.

714
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080
That's what you.
Know yes, that would be great.

715
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,480
I don't think I don't think he I
think he retires before he goes

716
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,040
anywhere.
He just seems like a guy's

717
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600
absolutely exhausted from this
error in football.

718
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,920
Like, you know, he's but he's
close friends with freaking

719
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Bronco and Dave Clawson and some
of these other guys who have all

720
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,000
stepped down like they've just,
they don't need to do it

721
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
anymore.
And I, I don't think he would go

722
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,600
anywhere.
I think he would retire before

723
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560
he leaves.
OK, Three or four years to deal

724
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,120
with it, we have.
To go don't, don't do that to.

725
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,720
Me, don't do that to me.
I'll jump through this thing and

726
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,640
joke.
All good, man.

727
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Well, but we don't know.
The whole thing is with tech.

728
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,400
We're going to talk about it in
a little while here.

729
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,680
It's already been structured
that there will no longer be an

730
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,760
AD over football.
There will be a general manager

731
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,160
over football, which is pretty
much everybody's going to.

732
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,880
So, you know, you heard Bruce
Arian say stuff on McAfee the

733
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,160
other day.
We don't know.

734
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,800
And a, a, a lot of our stuff is
probably going to get answered

735
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,720
and part of them is going to get
answered next.

736
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Is it Tuesday or Wednesday?
Might help me out here.

737
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,240
Tuesday, 30th, 30th, our BOV
unveils their plan.

738
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
And then probably from there
you're going to probably start

739
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640
to see the Domino's fall in the
AD in the GM.

740
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,360
And then it's still going to
take some time for the coat

741
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,880
because the honest truth is, I
don't think we're going to get a

742
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,640
guy in retirement.
I know our boy Andretti wants

743
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Saban, but I think it's going to
be a sitting coach.

744
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,400
And if it's a sitting coach, you
can have everything in place.

745
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,480
As we all know, it will be
announced on Thanksgiving

746
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,400
weekend when we're playing UVA.
Any concerns that it's going to

747
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,840
be the absolute wildest coaching
search cycle we've had in a long

748
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,560
time?
No, no, I think I, I was, I

749
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,040
wouldn't be worried if we were
working with the same money that

750
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,640
we've been working with the last
two coaching hires.

751
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,680
If we're if we were going out
there and saying we can pay you

752
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,960
between 4:00 and 6:00 million,
I'd be concerned.

753
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,120
I think the number that we're
going to be able to come out

754
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,200
there with is at least going to
be competitive where our top

755
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
three candidates should be.
One of those should be willing

756
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,840
to to take that.
I think the bigger thing is

757
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,560
going to be how we end up.
Structuring what's, what's the

758
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,000
relationship with the general
manager that we hire and what

759
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,160
sort of commitments can we make
consistently on the recruiting

760
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,560
front, on the money front to to
make this job.

761
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Not something just where the
coach can go out there and coach

762
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,800
and not have to worry about as
much of the other pieces of the

763
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,360
puzzle.
You know, they'll have somebody

764
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520
that they can lean on for for
those aspects.

765
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Very cool, it'll be interesting
to watch.

766
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,280
I mean, it's a great job in my
opinion.

767
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,960
You should be able to pull a
candidate, that's for sure.

768
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Appreciate it Evan so again
y'all check out Evan healthcare

769
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,760
because I'm whenever they go
live and put their obviously you

770
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,960
guys know your stuff Evan.
I I can't wait to take a peek at

771
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,440
yours in a couple days here to
see what you got to say about

772
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,320
the Hokies.
So appreciate it, take care of

773
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,680
yourself and we'll talk soon
man.

774
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Y'all have a good one?
Thanks, Evan.

775
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,080
All right, so again, there's
Evan from the red White podcast.

776
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Check him out.
You know, this is the second

777
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
time we've had some other
podcast on this year and I love

778
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
when I can check my boxes to say
this is what I'm wondering

779
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,480
about.
This is who I want to know

780
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,600
about, you know, and, and don't
don't worry, There's a reason we

781
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,840
look at these guys.
There's a reason that those

782
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,480
names pop out.
It's research.

783
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,280
It's stuff like that.
It's a lot of fun stuff.

784
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,960
It has something like.
I, you know, I can go out there

785
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,600
and look at tape for, you know,
3 or 4 hours, but you know, I'm,

786
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,040
I'm not Evan.
That's that's watching this team

787
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,520
every week, every week.
So.

788
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,280
Every day reading the post.
Getting the insight from, from,

789
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,160
from folks that, that are eating
and breathing and living this

790
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,080
stuff is, is important for us.
And I think it gives, you know,

791
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,800
all the listeners out there
some, some additional insight

792
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,800
that you know, they may not get.
And you know, you're not going

793
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,000
to get it through a maroon and
orange colored lens that you

794
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360
would, you know, if I'm
presenting it out there, just

795
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,160
just, you know, full honesty
there.

796
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,280
You're, you're getting the, the
full story from the, from the

797
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,880
folks that, that see it every
day.

798
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
So.
Well, but but The thing is about

799
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,480
when it's through your lenses,
you're trying to find where is

800
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,520
there an advantage protecting
this situation That's like like

801
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,360
it was wonderful.
He mentioned the safety because

802
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,720
you said can we can we because
you were talking before we jump

803
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,720
on tonight, the safety struggle
a little bit for them.

804
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,840
Sometimes our linebackers don't
feel right.

805
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,000
Can we take advantage of that?
And when he says it, he says it

806
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,040
as an NC State fan, you know,
it's not just your eyes saying I

807
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,960
hope we can do that.
It's like that's been a problem.

808
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,920
So again, it's laid out there
and I can't wait to check that.

809
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,600
I I will be checking their
podcast out this week just with

810
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,080
the game Evan Broth here.