Know the Enemy: FSU

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The.
And welcome back to the Boundary

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Corner Podcast.
And real quick, before we get

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anything else said, happy
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those who served.
Definitely big salute.

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Only took like 3 weeks.
Tally Shelton.

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Welcome back boys.
Thank you, Sir.

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Hello.
What's going on fellas?

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What's going on fellas?
Always glad to get the, the, the

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full boat here in the house,
especially with, you know, a, a,

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a big trip down to Florida State
this week and shortly we'll have

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somebody.
On there that can tell some

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more.
About that.

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Oh yeah, ingestible.
We got a little bit all right.

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We got a new little setup, don't
we?

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New.
Setup.

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We got a new little setup, don't
we?

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It looks different on my screen.
The layout.

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Is the layout different?
Oh, do you have the the vertical

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thing turned on?
Yeah, that that's only for the

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gram.
Everything else is going big.

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Yeah, yeah.
Going if it's messing with you

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like it did me last week, it
messed with me hard last week.

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I was like, Brian, what the you
can hide.

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You hit the little button on the
left, it'll hide it from you.

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But yeah, you are right, Brian,
in just a few minutes, we are

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going to be bringing on Jesse
Conger.

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Hope I pronounced his last name
right from Plant to Spear.

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If I did, Jesse, I'm sorry, It
won't be the first.

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It won't be the last name I've
mispronounced.

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Going to bring him on in just a
couple minutes.

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We're going to tell the truth,
not about football, but about

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basketball.
Shelton did a season preview

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right up for the key play, if
you hadn't seen that.

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He's got thoughts.
We've got thoughts on the

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opening two games because
something's brewing down there.

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Going to give Shelton and Tally
a little talk time when it comes

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to the coaching search since
they've been off a couple weeks.

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Let them get in on that.
And then, as always, we'll make

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our predictions for the game and
then some big screeners that I

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don't really want to talk about
because it won't pretty last.

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Week Curtis did not have a good
week last week.

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Big old doughnut.
But yeah, let's tally Shelton.

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Anything to add before we bring
on Jesse here and start talking

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about this Florida State game
Saturday night 7:30?

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Well, I'm glad that Hokey Hoops
is back.

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I certainly think, you know,
weren't with.

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It feels like another year where
football season, you know,

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didn't really deliver.
And so we're kind of just, you

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know, trying to get through the
winter season and unfortunately,

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basketball has been kind of
underperformed in the last two

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years, but they're back again
now.

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So we can finally have something
to look forward to as hockey

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fans during the winter and and
wrestling too.

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Shout out to wrestling.
They got some.

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They got lots of momentum as
well that.

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Was a good start with them and
obviously Neo is is is the

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truth.
He's showing out early, so

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something to get the hockey fans
excited as we head into this

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uncharted territory with this
football program. 100% but let's

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go into some charted territory
now.

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Again, like I said, Hokies, head
down to Florida State.

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Let's get to know the enemy with
Jesse from plant to spirit.

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Jesse, if I butchered your last
name, I'm sorry, man.

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It happens.
It's fine man.

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I answer to whatever, so it it,
it don't matter.

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I'm used to it by now.
Hey idiot, moron, whatever.

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I'll answer to just about
anything.

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It's all good.
Kurt Curtis has such a layup

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name he he screws up everybody
else's.

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It's most common names in
literally the world.

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What am I supposed to do?
It's funny, like at this point I

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just roll with it.
Like if you call, if you say

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whatever, I'm like, yeah, OK.
Yeah.

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No, you're, you're you're you're
close.

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I'll just go with Jesse from
here on out.

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But that works.
Jesse, first of all, before we

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get deep into it, give us a
little background about

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yourself, you know, how you came
to, you know, having Plant the

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spear and your history of
Florida State football.

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Yeah, man, so actually like I've
been a Florida State fan my

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whole life and I am a firm
believer in one team, no second

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favorites, no, nothing like
that.

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It's all it's all one team.
So I believe Garnet and gold.

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It's been an up and down fandom
for sure.

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Obviously I started, you know, I
I do remember the 90s.

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I'm 37.
So I didn't, I did, wasn't

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really lucky enough to kind of
really come up through the

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Bowden dynasty.
I was kind of there late towards

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the end of it.
Of course, I remember the, you

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know, the 99 championship, sorry
to mention that one.

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But then also 2013, I was able
to be in California for that.

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That was pretty cool.
I actually started when I was

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about 10-12 years old.
My brother would go to baseball

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camp at Florida, Florida State,
Mike Martin baseball camp.

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And I was old enough to go.
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And so like he was there with
Mike Martin and I was not old

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enough.
So my dad would take me around,

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we'd go look at the stadium and
things like that.

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And so I've been hooked ever
since I was a kid and then

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around 2021 kicked around
podcasting for years and just

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never was really brave enough to
do it.

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Never really was brave enough to
show my face on YouTube or

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anything like that.
And so in 2021, I just decided

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like, you know what, we're just
going to go for it started in

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22, had a great time.
We jumped on the train at the

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right time.
We jumped straight into A10 win

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season and then into a 13 win
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So we were having, we were
living a great life.

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And then the frying pan of two
and 10 came and smacked us right

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in the face.
And so that was a little bit

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rough to talk about.
And now we're four and five.

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So we're going through it.
But it's been a fun experience,

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man.
I mean, we've got to cover from

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the highest of highs to the
lowest of lows.

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We've got to cover a once in a
lifetime event with the snub in

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23, which was not exactly a good
thing to cover.

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But it was a very big week for
us on the show.

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It was very popular at the time.
We were just raging and everyone

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raged with us.
But yeah, I mean, overall, man,

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I love it.
It's been, it's grown more than

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I could even imagine.
I was talking to Brian on our

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show earlier about how it still
blows my mind that people will

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like see you at a game and be
like, oh, you're the plant and

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spear guy.
And it like, it still blows my

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mind, man.
And then, you know, obviously

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getting to do things like this
with the the college football

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community is one of my favorite
aspects of this whole thing.

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So man, I really appreciate you
having me on.

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Yeah, Jesse and you know, you
talked about us being on the

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show together.
One of the things we talked

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about was some some favorite
moment moments in this rivalry

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in this in this matchup series,
but.

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About We might have lost Brian
Tally, Did you give them the

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Alabama Internet?
Man, I thought it was mine

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acting crazy.
Now his is acting crazy.

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Yeah.
His is acting crazy so well.

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So I think he was trying to lead
into there that, you know,

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basically starting with 99 and
then now moving into the ACC.

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Brian, you, you lost everything,
man.

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You frozen.
Oh, what's up?

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We lost everything you said.
You froze.

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That's fun.
That's fun.

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So you have to repeat what you
just said.

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Yeah, I was just going to say,
you know, I, I was we, we were

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talking on our on your show,
just a just a few moments where

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we jumped on here.
You know, some of the history of

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this match up, some of the
history of, of Florida State,

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Virginia Tech.
Obviously, you already mentioned

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the 99 national championship
game or any moments in this

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these this series that have kind
of stood out to you that you

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want to talk about a little bit
before we get everything else

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going here?
Yeah, man, it's been a, it's

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been a range of emotions in this
one too, right?

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So I do remember 99, obviously
that was a big one for us.

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That was kind of the first
national championship that I

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remember.
I was five years old for the

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first one.
So in 93.

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So that was the first one that I
really remember. 2005 actually

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the ACC championship game in
Jacksonville, FL was my very

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first FSU game in person.
So like I remember, I believe

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that was Marcus Vick in that one
or something like that.

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And so that was, that was
actually my first FSU

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experience.
So I that's, you know, this was

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the first team I ever saw FSU
play against.

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Then, you know, the not so fun
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I was, I was there looking like
an idiot swag surfing in 2018 in

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the blackout, having a great
time.

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And then like I told Brian, I
was like, man, it was one of the

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funnest environments I had ever
been in until we kicked off and

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then it was all downhill from
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So yeah, a lot of a lot of
memories from Florida State,

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Virginia Tech over the years.
I love when these two brands get

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together and play.
I will say that I have yet to

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beat AI have yet.
I've been to Blacksburg.

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I've actually been outside of
Lane Stadium, but I've never

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been for a game.
I was just passing through and I

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was like, I got to stop and see
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It's one of my bucket list
items, right?

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I really, really, really want to
go to a game in Lane Stadium.

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I'm really disappointed because
this game was supposed to be in

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Blacksburg and then when they
expanded and and shuffled the

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board, it ended up getting moved
to Tallahassee.

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But at the end of the day, man,
I think when you talk about

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these two, these are two of the
most I, I think iconic brands in

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the ACC.
When you talk about a, a fan

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base stadium, the atmosphere and
I just don't think they play

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enough, right?
Two times in Blacksburg since

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like the 90s and, and only four
times I think, since you guys

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joined the ACC is, is criminal,
right?

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These are two brands that should
be playing, especially now that

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we don't have divisions, we
should be playing almost every

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single year.
Yeah, and slowly but surely that

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is going to start happening more
and more where you're going to

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see a team every roughly about
every three to four years.

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The next one is going to be in
2028.

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Well, hell, if the conference is
still together in 2028, in 2028,

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it's supposed to be in
Blacksburg.

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But I think going through the 9
game schedule, that's going to

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help it out.
And you know, like, like you

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said, there there is, there is
a, there is the, the sense of

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rivalry there because starting
in 99 and then 05805 still

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pisses me off to this day
because we were a fucking better

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team.
And y'all know, everybody knew

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it on the field.
We just played stupid the whole

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game.
I was literally my fraternity

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had a huge party that night.
I didn't show up because we were

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in the the neighbors behind us.
It was like a bunch of us tech

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fans just packed in watching.
So when everything happened,

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let's just say a lot of bourbon
was drank that night.

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Yeah, yeah, it happened that
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But Monk, that crowd.
But let's get into this season

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and this team and these teams
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State because obviously we got
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We know our team.
Brian's giving you some

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background on them.
But let's just talk, you know,

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four and five, not the record
that you won't.

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But what is, as I was looking at
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four and five South.
What's been the one thing for

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you as a defence?
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Is it Thomas Castellanos?
Because Thomas Castellanos never

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won a game against Virginia
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He's trying to break a streak
right here on Saturday night

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because he somehow he's one of
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league that hadn't beat us.
But what, what, what?

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What's the frustration on your
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You know, it's it's really kind
of shifted as the season

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progressed, right?
I mean, obviously you come out

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game one and you can't ask for a
better game.

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Like I still, I still wake up at
night sometimes and just sit up

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in my sleep and go how in the
heck did we beat Al freaking

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Bama not.
Only beat y'all smoked them.

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It was not just we beat them by
a Oh my God it's a miracle y'all

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dominated that game.
Beginning Italic called that

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tally.
I think you called that right

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out the gate.
Like Forest State's going to

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beat Alabama.
Like he's like.

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It it was wow, man, I, I never
expected that, right?

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And we were there, we stormed
the field and all that And, and

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you know, like I told Brian, I
was like, we're standing down

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there on the field and we're
just like, are we going to the

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playoffs?
And then little do you know,

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we're now four and five.
We just basically lost every

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game against a powerful opponent
since then.

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But you know, you start off with
that and, and I think the, you

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know, it's almost a curse, right
when you beat Alabama like that

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because you, you change the
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season, the answer, the goal was
always 7 and 5 to 8 and 4 based

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on what happened last year, 2
and 10, the disaster that we

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were.
Now I have a little bit

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different feeling about that
type of expectation because I

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always look back to, well, 2 and
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So yes, it's an improvement, but
it's an improvement that should

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have never happened because you
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at a place like FSU.
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there.
So you, you, when you beat

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Alabama, your expectations
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And I think they should.
That's what wins and losses do.

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And so at that point, I'm
thinking we should, if you can

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beat Alabama like that, I should
be able to look at the schedule

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and find nine wins.
And so we should be that type of

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team.
You know, and then you beat a

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couple of cupcakes and that
doesn't really prove anything.

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And then you go on the road to
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And really early on, it was a
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The defense was the problem.
Like you go up to Virginia, you

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score 35 I think in regulation
and then the end up giving up 46

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points.
So defense was kind of the

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problem there.
Now offense didn't help.

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Like we've had a really big
problem with just shooting

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ourselves in the foot mistakes
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Turnovers are crazy.
A lot of turnovers, lots of

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costly penalties, not only just
penalties, but penalties at

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crucial moments that either
extend drives or kill drives and

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just really, really hurt the
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And so the defense was the
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You know, then you have you have
the pit game, right?

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Pitt comes in here with a a
freshman quarterback making a

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second ever start, first ever
start on the road and puts up 34

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points on you in dope.
That should never happen.

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So there's your defense being
the problem, right?

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And then you go past that, the
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You know, Miami was like, if you
look at the box score, Miami

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looks a little bit closer than
what it actually was being like

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2822.
That game was 28 to 3 late in

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the third quarter.
That was actually the point

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where I first tweeted like, it's
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I I think this is over and this
is done with.

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And I caught a lot of Flack for
that because it was a little bit

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early.
Then Pit happened, then Stanford

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happened and and then everyone,
now everyone's ready to fire

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him.
But you know, the Miami game,

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you just weren't really
competitive in that Pitt was

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unfortunate, but Pitt turned out
to be pretty good, right?

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And and the Stanford game is the
one that you just can't get

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past, right?
That's got to be his second

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worst loss at Florida State next
to Jacksonville State in 2021.

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So which he's given us a lot of
great moments.

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You know, the first loss to FCS
program in school history, the

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first loss to Duke in program
history, 4 losing seasons in

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five years or at least to be
determined or six years.

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But then you lose that Stanford
game and and then it has shifted

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to the offense, right?
The offense only puts up 13

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points at Stanford.
That is just, I don't know how

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you explain that, right?
And so then you come back

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against Wake Forest, you have if
you're coming off a bye week, I

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don't know what happened.
I don't know if they just

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remembered all of a sudden that
they do play, actually do play

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football.
They beat Wake 42 to 7.

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And I know it's Wake Forest, but
that's a pretty OK Wake Forest

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team this year.
And then when you're looking for

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consistency, you go up to
Clemson, a bad Clemson team,

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three and five at the time, and
you get beat 24 to 10.

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You were never blown out in the
game, but once they went up 18

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to nothing, you would never got
back within one score.

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You actually I think out gained
them in that game.

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But it's just it was another
tale of mistakes.

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It was this was one of the worst
games that we saw, right?

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I mean, you out gained them, but
you had costly penalties.

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Again, you had a lot of
overthrows.

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You had a wide open, like Mike
loves to gamble on some 4th

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downs, like it does not matter
where we're at on the field, he

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will go for it on 4th down.
And so you gamble on 1/4 down on

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your side of the field wide open
and the guy just brick hands it.

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And so it's just been one of
those things where like I want

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to blame Mike for a lot of this
stuff and I do.

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But at the same time, there's a
lot of plays that are there to

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be made and they're just not
making them.

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So Long story short, early part
of the season the defense was

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the problem.
Kind of the later part of the

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season, the offense has been
inconsistent, but throughout the

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whole thing we're just missed.
Tackles, penalties, turnovers,

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little things like that are how
you look great on the stat sheet

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but also lose games.
Sheldon, go ahead.

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Yeah, so Jesse, I kind of want
to like bounce some some ideas

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off you just that was a that was
a good, you know, long winded

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rant about FSU.
So we talked about last year,

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you know, 2 and 10 just
completely imploded.

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They brought in a bunch of new
transfers didn't work out

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obviously.
Then this year obviously FSU

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started out good.
But again, they they've lost a

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couple close games.
It seemed like kind of

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snowballed.
My thing is, you know, we've

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seen as hokey fans, like when
you bring in a bunch of new

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transfers, it seems like often
times when you hit, when you hit

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a wall and you hit some
adversity, it's it's not always

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a guarantee that they respond to
well because these are guys that

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maybe don't know each other
well.

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There's not a lot of chemistry
or continuity.

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And certainly we we experience
that as hokey fans.

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When, you know, Tech lost to
Vanderbilt, they just completely

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quit on the coaching staff and
got blown up by ODU and just

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tumbled into a mess.
When I look at FSU as an

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outsider, I feel like they do
not have a really good ability

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to respond to adversity,
particularly this past couple of

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years under Norvel.
Do you think that's a fair

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criticism of this coaching
staff?

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Yeah, I do.
I think in 2023 was when you

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actually saw them do that well,
right.

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They responded to adversity at
certain times, but a lot of that

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23 team was player LED.
That's when you had Jared Verse,

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you had Jordan Travis, you had,
you know, a lot of the guys,

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Keon Coleman, you had a lot of
the guys who were the leaders.

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And then in 2024, we heard a lot
about the coaches had to push

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the leadership.
They had to force guys to become

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leaders.
So the leadership was never

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there in 24 and now in 25,
you've seen guys like Tommy step

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up and and be a leader early on
in the season, but we don't

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really have the same level of
leadership that we had in 2023.

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And and actually, it's kind of a
funny thing that you bring this

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up because they're, you know,
Mike Norvell loves to use the

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word respond like we are so
beyond.

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I'm tired of climbing, I'm tired
of responding.

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I'm tired of all this stuff.
Like he says that after every

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like we're going to respond and
it's like.

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Buddy, we've been responding for
like 8 weeks now.

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What are we doing?
Like we're, we're apparently

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we're not responsive.
And so there was actually

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something that was leaked out of
the locker room where one of the

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players was joking about him
saying respond like this is all

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we say.
And so there was a question for

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after the Stanford loss that
maybe he had lost the locker

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room and maybe the maybe the
players were it was the message

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was falling on deaf ears.
But then you see that after

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wake, they come out and a lot of
the players, four or five

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players come out and say, like,
we've heard everything that

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everybody's saying about Mike
Norvell in the locker room.

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And that's not true.
We're playing for our coach.

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So I don't think they have quit
on this season, but there has

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been a few games where they have
been flat it it looks like they

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know there's nothing left to
play for, but they're still

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playing somewhat hard.
And I say that because in 24 I

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saw quit like I saw straight up
loafing on the field guys just

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like coaches, they're getting
into it on the sideline.

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You could tell there was they
were not bought in at all last

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year.
So I think it has gotten better

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this year.
But you know, to your point, I

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think with the transfers, one of
the problems that we've seen

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here under Mike Norvell when
when people talk about the wins

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and losses, yes, that is the
glaring issue.

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But there's a lot of other
things like recruiting like he

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is not been great at recruiting
at a school where it's pretty

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hard to be bad at recruiting
right in the state of Florida.

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And he has not landed the top
ten class yet.

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Like he and we just lost our
recruit last week.

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So he's had a problem with that.
So what that leads him to do is

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go dip in the portal every
single year.

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And so the problem is it feels
like he's putting together

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A-Team every year versus
building a program that's going

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to be stable for the long run.
Like I understand the portal is

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still part of college football
and it is still important.

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But when you look at teams like
Alabama, like Georgia, like Ohio

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State, the teams we want to be,
they are built primarily through

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high school recruiting
consistently year over year and

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developing those recruits.
There is a lot of there is a lot

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of mercenary to the portal,
right?

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There's a lot of mercenary
factor in that.

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And so you have those guys that
come in, they get paid and you

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know, that's that's all they
really care about.

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They just want the money.
And so, yeah, I think the

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portal, the over usage of
portal, you know, when you bring

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in, out of 22 starters, you
bring in 16 new starters almost

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every single year.
It's almost impossible to build

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continuity through that.
The only, the only thing I will

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say to, to where we're at right
now is a lot of the problems we

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saw in recruiting and
development was under the old

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staff.
Mike Novell is the one constant

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though.
And frankly, if you know, to put

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it like it is, if you're going
to have a $10 million CEO head

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coach, the least he should be
able to do is recruit.

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And Mike Novell cannot.
And so that is why we're so

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frustrated with him.
But I do think the the

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leadership, the cohesion and the
development that you've seen

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under the new staff with Gus
Malzahn and Tony White and those

448
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,200
guys has been better.
Like we are actually seeing

449
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160
freshmen hit the field and be
impact players now.

450
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,120
Whereas before, one of our
biggest things with Mike Novella

451
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,920
is why are you bringing talented
kids here to sit for three

452
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,440
years, then bring in a transfer
who you don't know if they're

453
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,520
going to be good or not?
Like play the recruits, man.

454
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,400
You got to play the recruits
because that's a culture killer.

455
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,160
And so, yeah, I, I think the
culture is he flipped it after

456
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,600
last year and it's holding
together.

457
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280
But you know, the, as the losses
pile up, man, it's going to be

458
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,760
hard to hold.
It's going to be hard to keep

459
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,560
them motivated.
But it yeah, I mean, when you

460
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,800
throw together A-Team every year
versus build a sustainable

461
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,680
program, that's just going to be
part of the problem.

462
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,240
Yeah, novel to me, kind of novel
to me kind of mimics a a

463
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,760
basketball coach maybe like like
Calipari when he was at

464
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,840
Kentucky.
You know, you build this great

465
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,880
team for a tournament run or for
a championship, but then they

466
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,760
all GoPro to next year.
That's kind of what it feels

467
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,040
like Norvell is.
And then you go through, you

468
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,360
know, a bad year and then you
maybe have a decent year.

469
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,200
You just can't do that at A at a
program like Florida State, you

470
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,360
know, with so much prestige and
history and culture that they

471
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:22,240
have, like you said, like it
would be hard to be a bad

472
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,560
recruiter there, but he's kind
of proven that that's what he

473
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,040
is.
So Long story short that that we

474
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440
went all around the world for me
to just say, y'all are probably

475
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,840
going to be getting a new coach
soon.

476
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,000
Who do you think that coach is
going to be?

477
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480
A lot of people have been, if
you already see in the chat and,

478
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,760
and, and on the Internet, a lot
of people have been talking

479
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600
about James Franklin.
Do you think a coach like James

480
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,360
Franklin comes in and upgrades
y'all or is it somebody else

481
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,320
that you're more looking at?
So I think he could.

482
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,400
Now.
I will say what concerns me the

483
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,200
most over the last week is 1,
there is a lot of smoke around

484
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,680
them.
Trying to figure out whether

485
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Tommy can come back next year.
And the situation around that is

486
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,240
when he was a freshman at UCF,
he played in five games.

487
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,720
One of those games was the AAC
championship and the year after

488
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,200
that, they changed the ruling to
where the the championship game

489
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,640
would not affect your red shirt,
right.

490
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280
And so they're trying to appeal
to basically be like, he only

491
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040
played in four games.
That counts as red shirt year.

492
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Well, if you read the tea
leaves, if they bring Tommy

493
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,360
back, that probably means
they're bringing Gus back too,

494
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,800
which probably means they're
bringing Mike back.

495
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,400
So that's the that's the
situation.

496
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,720
We don't want to happen, right.
And he also had a press

497
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,640
conference this week where he
talked like a guy who thought he

498
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,160
was coming back next year.
We, we won championships and

499
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,400
we're going to win, you know,
more here and everything.

500
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,440
And so that does concern me that
we might actually bring him back

501
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,720
for another year.
But if we do make the move and

502
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440
if we do fire him and I, I think
a lot of that does kind of

503
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,360
depend on the rest of the
season, although to me, I don't,

504
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,920
I think the decision should be
made.

505
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,640
We have enough evidence.
James Franklin was actually my

506
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,400
number one choice at first,
right?

507
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Because I think right now the
problem with Mike Norvell has

508
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,920
always been consistency, right?
It's never been like 08 wins,

509
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,920
then 10, then seven, then 12.
It's it's either like we went

510
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,280
three to five to 10 to 13 to 2
down to now 4, probably 5-6 at

511
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,920
the at the top right.
And so it's never been

512
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,040
consistent.
And so for me, when you fire

513
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,920
Mike Norvell, you now have to
pay basically a head coach's

514
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,760
salary for the next 5 to 6
years, depending on when you do

515
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,040
it.
And so I don't know that Florida

516
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,200
State can afford to screw this
next higher up because if they

517
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,440
do, they probably can't afford
to fire that guy for five to six

518
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,400
more years.
And so I think you need a guy

519
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240
who's almost a can't miss.
And really James Franklin feels

520
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,160
like the guy out there right now
who is actually obtainable, who

521
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,000
is kind of a can't miss guy.
And I know there's a lot of the

522
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,040
thing with, you know, the four
and 21 against top ten teams and

523
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,800
things like that.
But you know, when you're

524
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,280
playing in the ACCI think he can
come in to a place like Florida

525
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,280
State.
He's not an elite recruiter, but

526
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,040
he's really good, right?
He's our averages 13 to 15 or

527
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040
something like that.
But he's also, I think in his

528
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840
time at Penn State, he's put 56
kids in the NFL so he can

529
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080
develop.
He's also shown to to make good

530
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,320
hires from his support staff.
And so I think he could be a guy

531
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760
that could stabilize a program
like Florida State, right?

532
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,240
He could get you 10 wins year in
and year out and in the ACC that

533
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,920
means a playoff berth every now
and then.

534
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,760
So I think he would be a great
option for Florida State.

535
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,840
Now with that being said, hold
on, let.

536
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Me ask a quick question.
Let me ask a quick.

537
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,760
Question.
Yeah, go.

538
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,320
Ahead, does it concern you this
recruiting footprint?

539
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,720
It is Mid-Atlantic, it is not,
it is not Florida, it is not

540
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,440
Georgia, it's not Alabama.
It's I don't even think it's I

541
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720
don't even think he's got to
play out of South Carolina.

542
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,040
Does that concern you?
Can you walk from there?

543
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,040
And OK, go ahead.
It does because when you look at

544
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760
when we brought in Mike Norvell,
the first thing was he didn't

545
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,080
have ties to the state of
Florida.

546
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480
And then he also took over the
COVID year.

547
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240
So he couldn't build those ties
in the state of Florida.

548
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,800
The difference, I think, between
him and James Franklin is the

549
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840
fact that Franklin's name
carries cachet, right?

550
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,360
And Mike Norvell's at the time
really didn't.

551
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,160
I think people, everybody knows
who James Franklin is.

552
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,560
And if you put, you know, the
Florida State logo on his chest

553
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,720
and you send him into some of
the schools in South Florida, I

554
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840
think he would be OK.
But the recruiting really is

555
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,240
kind of the one thing that makes
me step back on James Franklin

556
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000
because right now the biggest
problem we have is recruiting.

557
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,040
Now there's a whole another
conversation about that where

558
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,760
people try and blame NIL, people
try and blame talent.

559
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200
And I'm like, guys, we spend
more and we have more talent

560
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,160
than Stanford.
I mean, we add more to

561
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,760
Jacksonville State.
We add more than Pitt, all these

562
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,280
other teams that we're losing
to, you were right.

563
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Like you're beating Alabama.
It's not NIL and talent, right?

564
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,720
So there is a disconnect there.
But that's why I also look at

565
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080
somebody like Brian Hartline at
Ohio State.

566
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Maybe you take a little bit more
of a chance on a guy like that.

567
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Who?
Has a recruiting prowess second

568
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,640
to none.
Like he came down and he and he

569
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,440
pulled Jeremiah Smith out of
Florida, right?

570
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,360
I would have loved to have that
guy keep that kid in Florida.

571
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200
And so you take a chance on that
because he doesn't have any

572
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,680
coaching experience.
Maybe you got Glenn Schumann

573
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,520
there, ADC at George's, a guy, a
name I like, Will Stein, they're

574
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,360
up at at Oregon, the OC there.
And so I think those guys are

575
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,320
ones you could look at because
you know, you look at Kirby

576
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Smart, you look at Dan Lanning,
you look at even Ryan Day.

577
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,000
These are guys that came
straight from the coordinator

578
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,280
level and they're having a ton
of success.

579
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200
So I don't know that prior head
coach experience is even really

580
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
necessary.
But what I think that the

581
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,840
problem for Florida State is if
you fire Mike Norvell, I don't

582
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,440
know that you can go and outbid
a Florida team or whatever for

583
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360
like a Lane Kiffin at 13 and a
half, $1,000,000 a year or

584
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,800
whatever that the case is going
to be.

585
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,520
I think you need to find
somebody probably somewhere in

586
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,400
the 8 tops of $10 million range.
And who can you get for that?

587
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
You know, there's also the
other, the hot button name of

588
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,600
Jimbo Fisher, right?
If you could retread that at

589
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Florida State.
I don't love that idea.

590
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,080
But he can recruit.
That would be a story if y'all

591
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,120
went back to Jimbo.
And The thing is with Jimbo, I

592
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,960
think the allure is he can
recruit right.

593
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Even in 2022 at Texas A&M, he
didn't have time for that class

594
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,160
to flesh out because he got
fired after 23.

595
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,160
But it was like the number one
recruiting class in the history

596
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,480
of all recruiting classes.
Like he could, I think he could

597
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,400
come into Florida State and he
could get enough talent on the

598
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,080
roster to win in the ACC.
And even during his bad years,

599
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560
like we were still winning 10
games and making the Orange

600
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Bowl.
So I, I think you want to make a

601
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,120
splash because you know, when
you talk about gaining NIL

602
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,240
dollars and donations, we're not
going to love like an Alex Golis

603
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,520
from USF, another G5 coach or
something like that.

604
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,120
I mean, he may be good, but it's
probably not going to move the

605
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,640
needle.
So I think it's James Franklin

606
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,080
is like the biggest fish in the
pond that our bait can catch

607
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,520
right now.
There's going to be competition

608
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,480
for that, but we're probably not
going to go get a a sitting $10

609
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,320
million head coach.
It's just probably not gonna

610
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,360
happen.
So I think it's James Franklin

611
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,080
or you take a chance on the
coordinator or you look at maybe

612
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,080
one of the better proven G5
coaches, like the guy from JMU,

613
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800
the guy from Tulane or something
like that.

614
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Those guys are probably already
spoken for other places.

615
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,000
But yeah, I think that's
probably the route you're going

616
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,960
to go.
Or you hang on to Mike Norvell

617
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,160
for one more year.
We have a tough schedule next

618
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,560
year.
You hope because you don't know,

619
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,000
right?
You don't know what the coaching

620
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760
carousel is going to look like.
Last year everybody says it's a

621
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000
crazy year.
This year it might be crazier.

622
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Next year, we don't know.
And so I think maybe you hold on

623
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440
to him and you try again in 26
and hope things aren't as crazy

624
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,400
in the coaching carousel.
This year is an alpha, though.

625
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,040
When I say this is an alpha
project, this year is the first

626
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,440
time NIL has truly been in play
when it comes to money.

627
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Because you've already mentioned
to us, Norvell's roughly going

628
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,520
to be 8 and a half million if
you're paying him a new coach

629
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880
11, there's $20 million gone
right there.

630
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,280
And you've already said about
buying out coaches if you don't

631
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,880
have the NIL pool, you, you're
kind of in that situation where

632
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,560
it's like Florida outbid us,
fuck LSU outbid us, Tennessee

633
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,760
just outbid us.
How are we going to do this?

634
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,440
But I loved your takes on
everything there.

635
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,360
But I want to hit a couple more
pieces about the game before we,

636
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,280
we we let you go.
But thanks for the insight where

637
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,040
you're coming from as an FSU
fan.

638
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920
I will, I will.
I will say one quick thing to

639
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,240
that, there is the thought
process with some people that

640
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,560
maybe we just save the money and
help Norville get better players

641
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360
because we've seen what he did
in 23 when he had good players,

642
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,800
right?
Like if you give him a $30

643
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160
million nil budget, could he go
produce those kind of results

644
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
again?
And I certainly think that's in

645
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,640
the conversation.
I think the problem is how do

646
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,320
you get to that number when a
lot of the fan funding is going

647
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,560
to wane because people are going
to be like, I don't trust him to

648
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,960
give him money to go buy
players.

649
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Because again, like you chose to
pay DJ you $900,000.

650
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,720
You chose to pay Tommy C
$800,000.

651
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,720
You're spending more money than
a lot of the teams you're losing

652
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,960
to.
How, how can I justify opening

653
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
up the checkbook for this guy?
And so, yeah, you're right.

654
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,280
I think you could put money into
the roster and probably see

655
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,800
better results.
But you should be seeing better

656
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,040
results based on we have a top
15 NIO budget and we're, you

657
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040
know, probably the 60th ranked
team in the country.

658
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Yeah, 4:00 and 5:00 is y'all's
current record and and I'm just

659
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,480
looking here trying to go to
Saturday.

660
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,160
First of all, should the line?
Was it 13 1/2 last time I

661
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,240
checked?
13 1/2, yeah.

662
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,920
It is still.
Absolutely.

663
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480
Generous.
That is a massive line.

664
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,200
I think they're looking at the
differential in talents there

665
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
and again, a three and six
versus A4 and five in at home.

666
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,240
But as I look it up and down
your roster, you guys run the

667
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,440
little crap out of the ball.
Give me some info on Saw Chuck

668
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880
and Chroma because it looks like
other than Tommy but I know we

669
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720
know Tommy scrambles and runs a
lot.

670
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,160
What do they bring to the table?
Yeah, so obviously a Gus Mile's

671
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960
on offense, the staple is the
run game, right?

672
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,679
We run the ball a lot and you
know when you look at this rush

673
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,239
offense, we're 13th in rush
attempts per game.

674
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,280
We run about 40 * a game.
When you talk about the the

675
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,639
running back stable that we got,
Gavin Sawchuk is the guy that

676
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,840
came in from Oklahoma transfer.
He was actually pretty good out

677
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,400
of Oklahoma.
He just never really got a

678
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,719
chance to be the lead back.
He got injured after he got a

679
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,000
start, got the starter status
out there.

680
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,480
He was pretty good out there.
He's not been real great for us.

681
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560
The other guy, Chroma, is a
freshman man.

682
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,480
He is going to be special.
My biggest concern with him is

683
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,040
can we keep him on the roster,
right?

684
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
We flipped him from Georgia on
signing day.

685
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,280
That was a really, really big
get, one of the biggest flips we

686
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,520
had in the entire class.
And I mean, he looks like a

687
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,120
senior as a freshman now.
He's still coming into his own,

688
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,760
right?
He's still got some things he's

689
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,400
got to get better at.
We also did see a name that

690
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,360
you're probably not going to see
on the stat sheet with Sam

691
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,960
Singleton.
He is a guy that played against

692
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Wake Forest and he I think had
91 yards rushing lead in that

693
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,480
game.
So we have about 5 or 6 backs

694
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,360
that we will use.
But your your top three.

695
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,120
They're hoping to have Cam Davis
back again.

696
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,240
Former five star running back
that's been out with injury.

697
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,760
He's supposed to be back for
this game.

698
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,920
So you got about four or five
guys.

699
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,800
I wouldn't say that any of them
right now are like when when I

700
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,600
talk about like a Florida State
running back, like a Dalvin

701
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,320
Cook, right?
I don't think you have one of

702
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,240
those on the roster.
Chroma could be someday, but you

703
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,840
have a you don't really have
anybody that don't like either

704
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120
other than I could, I could
really not see Roy Doe Williams

705
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,880
carry the ball for the rest of
the season.

706
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,800
I'd be OK with that.
The Alabama transfer.

707
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,600
But then Tommy running the ball,
man, he's been banged up.

708
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040
He has been dealing with an
ankle injury since the pit game.

709
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,640
It was literally the very first
play of that game.

710
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,760
And he's not ran the ball as
effectively as we would have

711
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,280
liked him to, right.
He and I'll give it to Tommy.

712
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,520
He puts his body on the line.
Yeah, he got like cartwheeled

713
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,160
against Stanford.
I think he got literally knocked

714
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,680
out against Stanford on a dirty
hit.

715
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,880
I mean, he's putting himself out
there, but the running has not

716
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,400
been the same as it has been
early in the season.

717
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,920
So that's not great when you're
considering that's a lot of what

718
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,360
makes his game special.
But Florida State's going to try

719
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,360
and run the ball, man.
I mean, they they are definitely

720
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,960
going to try and run the ball
1st.

721
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,640
And The thing is, when you talk
about the like the rush stats, I

722
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,680
will say with any stat you look
at with Florida State, the games

723
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680
against Kent State and East
Texas A&M do kind of cloud the

724
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,560
water a little bit, right?
They muddy the water a little

725
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,080
bit because we just ran, I think
we put like 4 or 500 yards

726
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360
rushing against Kent State or
East Texas A&M, whichever one it

727
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,960
was.
So it does skew the stats a

728
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000
little bit.
Like we ran for over 200 yards

729
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
in the first four games.
We have not run for 200 yards

730
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,840
since in the last four games.
So the rush game has slowed down

731
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,640
a little bit, but it's still
effective.

732
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,320
And it needs to be because if
you talk about the pass offense,

733
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,520
you know, The funny thing is the
more Tommy throws the ball, the

734
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,440
worse we are, which makes little
to no sense, right?

735
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,920
And you know, I was telling
Brian earlier on our show when

736
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,680
you talk about the passing
offense, like if you want the

737
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,200
stat of the game, like this will
literally decide the game.

738
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,880
So in our four wins, we're four
and five.

739
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,960
As everybody knows, in our four
wins, Tommy averages 13 1/2

740
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,040
attempts per game with 0 games
over 20 attempts passing

741
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,800
attempts.
In all 5 losses, he's thrown the

742
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,400
ball more than 20 times and
averages 34.2 attempts per game.

743
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,360
I think we threw it 40 plus
times against Clemson.

744
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,400
So if the run game works enough
to allow Tommy to throw the ball

745
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,680
about 18 times for around 100
and 7080 yards, that's what you

746
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,040
really want, right?
But if he's throwing it 40 times

747
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,440
for 200 and 52160 yards, chances
are we're going to lose.

748
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Yeah, we we were.
Having that conversation.

749
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Yeah, we were having that
conversation and we were both, I

750
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,800
mean, when you look at Virginia
Tech, it's a very similar

751
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,680
situation.
You know when when Jesse asks me

752
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,920
what's, you know, Virginia Tech
can win this game.

753
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,840
If I said if if we have it, you
know, somewhere around 40

754
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,200
carries, we're at least going to
be pretty close to this game.

755
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,720
Every time we've seen Kyron get
above that 25 number in

756
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,680
attempts, it's the offensive
efficiency plummets.

757
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:22,320
Yeah, when he's right around
that 2022, that means that he's

758
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,240
been running the ball more.
Number one.

759
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,760
He's been effective with with
his hand off.

760
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,920
So we've been able to get some
some yardage on the ground and

761
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,640
he's been able to be judicious
with the attempts.

762
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,760
And when we do that, we're a
whole lot better offense.

763
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,480
And so I think there's a lot of
similarities when you look at

764
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,000
some of the struggles that
Florida State has had and some

765
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120
of the struggles Virginia Tech
has had, especially on the

766
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,080
offensive side where we haven't
seen quite as much attrition due

767
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,120
to a mid season firing like we
have on the defensive side.

768
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,440
Yeah, and I will say for our
offense, the offensive line is

769
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,160
experienced.
They're all red shirt seniors,

770
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,200
they're all big.
They're not great, but they're

771
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,280
pretty darn effective.
And then in our pass game, like

772
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,800
just get ready for a deep shot
to deuce Robinson and and

773
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,920
probably Makai Danzy because
that seems like about all we do.

774
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,280
I don't I honestly don't know
that we have a mid level pass

775
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,680
game.
I haven't really seen it very

776
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,440
much and usually when we do, we
drop it anyway.

777
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120
But man, I mean because like
when you look at our offense,

778
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,000
we're 6IN yards per attempt and
we're 97th in attempts per game.

779
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,520
So that pretty much kind of
tells you where we're at.

780
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,000
Like we like to throw the ball
deep and it's going to be Deuce

781
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,280
Robinson more often than not.
The guy is 6 foot six.

782
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,160
He can run, he can catch, he's
got great body control.

783
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,880
He's probably played himself
into I think a first, first or

784
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,800
second round draft pick.
So unfortunately we probably

785
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,120
won't have him after this year.
He's had 400 yard games this

786
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120
season.
He's I think over 800 so far on

787
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,760
the year.
So man, I mean, he's a really

788
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
talented receiver.
McKay Danzy's a young guy, a

789
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,640
freshman, a track guy who's got
insane speed.

790
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400
You're probably going to see a
reverse to him.

791
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,400
We ran it and I think the first
six games before Gus finally

792
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,240
figured out that everybody else
knew we were going to run it

793
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,040
too.
And then of course, you have

794
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,800
Squirrel White, who has been in
absolute bust so far this

795
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,160
season.
Part of that's on the

796
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,680
quarterback, part of that's on
him.

797
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,400
I had a lot of high hopes for
that guy.

798
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,320
I think he has like 5 catches
for 50 something yards and one

799
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,680
was a 40 yard catch against
Bama.

800
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,520
So Douche Robinson is the one
that you really need to know

801
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,880
about in the past game.
But you know man, we got some

802
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,240
weapons.
It's just last game was

803
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,880
overthrow here, drop past there.
And so it's a lot of things of

804
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,160
you have potential, but can you
not shoot yourself in the foot?

805
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Tally, We got another six, six,
220 LB wide receiver to deal

806
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
with.
Thank the Lord, right?

807
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Yes, yes, that's what we want
to, that's what we want to play

808
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,320
this.
Is like the, I think the third

809
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,840
or fourth wide receiver that
somewhere north of 6/5 and and

810
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,200
at least 215.
That's tough, man.

811
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,800
That's tough.
I mean, we had for a.

812
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Quarterback room that has been
decimated by a combination of

813
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,600
injuries and opt outs.
It has not been pretty and we

814
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,680
and we've been struggling.
Yeah, I told you when we talked,

815
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,120
man, like we've been struggling
giving up big plays in the

816
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,720
running game, but we've been
struggling getting off the field

817
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
when they're throwing the
football and particularly in the

818
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,160
red zone.
When they throw the football in

819
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,520
the red zone, it's going to be a
touchdown almost every damn

820
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600
time.
It's it's one of those things

821
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,120
where we just, we do not match
up well and we do not match up

822
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,280
well against guys like this that
are kind of those red zone

823
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,800
nightmares, those stick movers,
those guys that can really kind

824
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,880
of do a little bit of
everything.

825
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Yeah, I mean, he's he, he's
definitely, he's our our biggest

826
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,200
weapon right now.
I think when you get compressed

827
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,800
into the red zone, sometimes I
do worry because the problem

828
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,120
there is like, you know, Tommy
does have that limitation.

829
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,640
He is 5 foot 9, right?
And so we've seen a couple times

830
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,440
where they try and get the ball
vertically, you know, more than

831
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,520
horizontally in that compressed
field and it's turn into

832
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,880
turnovers that killed US against
Virginia bat of balls or

833
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,400
something that that, you know,
if you can't get him outside of

834
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,040
the pocket, that that can be an
issue too.

835
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,480
But I mean, if it wasn't for
Deuce, our offense would be in

836
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,240
pretty big trouble, right?
And he got hurt.

837
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:07,800
We didn't have in the
second-half of the pit game.

838
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,080
If we if you if we did, I think
maybe we do win that game.

839
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,800
But man, I mean, right now he's
been one of those guys that

840
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,480
like, you got to have him on the
field because he is the best

841
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,800
player on our offense.
Let's go to the defensive side

842
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,720
of the ball real quick and a
name that kind of sticks out and

843
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:28,520
might even stick out the tally
some is oh shit I had it right

844
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,800
here.
Earl little transfer from

845
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,160
Alabama was a huge recruit for
them back in the day and it

846
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,840
looks like he is tearing it up
this year.

847
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,520
He's got 4 picks lead the team
in tackles.

848
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,680
First of all where is he
playing?

849
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Anytime I see 57 tackles on ADB
it meets me think is he playing

850
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,440
nickel or is he playing safety?
But where is he lining up

851
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,680
because it seems like he is a
bit of a one man wrecking crew

852
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,720
on that side of the ball.
Yeah.

853
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,240
So he lines up at Rover safety.
So Tony White runs A335 defense

854
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,800
is what he likes to run.
Now we've had to switch a lot of

855
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,400
that and go to multiple and and
run a four man front.

856
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,000
We've had to do that a lot.
But in the in the base defense,

857
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,800
he runs the Rover safety and as
you know, that's the middle of

858
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,680
three safeties.
So he's basically allowed to

859
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000
just kind of be like a little
bit of a linebacker, a little

860
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,080
bit of a safety hybrid.
Actually, the way the defense

861
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,080
was founded way back in the day
at New Mexico State, I think

862
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,880
that position was Brian
Urlacher.

863
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,760
So it kind of gives you an idea
kind of of how that guy is.

864
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,560
He's he's a guy who's maybe not
quite a great DB, but not, you

865
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,600
know, he's a little too
undersized to be linebacker.

866
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,480
So he kind of has freedom to
roam the field.

867
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,680
And then I mean, he came out on
fire against Alabama, had an

868
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,720
amazing game against them.
Then he really struggled against

869
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,080
Virginia.
He had a couple of missed

870
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,440
tackles that really one of them,
I can't say it cost the game

871
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,760
because you can't really put on
anyone play, but he did have one

872
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,200
that he just tried to shoulder
tackle.

873
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080
The guy bounced right off of him
and went in for a touchdown and

874
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
we ended up losing the game.
He had another bad tackling

875
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160
effort against Pitt.
So like he's a really good

876
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,280
player.
I mean, he is a really good guy.

877
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,920
The problem is, man, it's like
he forgets he has arms when he

878
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,360
tackles, right.
He is a big shoulder tackling

879
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,560
guy.
And so really missed tackles is

880
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,640
the one thing that kind of hurts
him more than anything.

881
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,080
But I mean, he is one of the
leaders of the defense.

882
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,600
He is one of the best players on
the defense.

883
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,680
He's an obviously a great
athlete, A rangy guy coming from

884
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Alabama, and since they moved
him back to safety, he's done a

885
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,240
lot better.
So as long as he doesn't miss a

886
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,800
tackle, he's usually in a good
position to be on top of them

887
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,560
for one.
So he's a really good one.

888
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Our best cover corner is
probably Jabril rawls #11 and

889
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,280
he's got an NFL future.
He's a really good corner for

890
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,600
us.
Other than that, we, you know,

891
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,000
we don't really have a ton of
of, you know, really big names

892
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,600
there like we had in the past.
Edwin Joseph is another guy that

893
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040
kind of plays that nickel spot.
He's been pretty good too.

894
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,760
You know, they all kind of have
made some mistakes.

895
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Safety is not the really strong
point for us outside of a

896
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,240
little.
I mean, you have some other guys

897
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,520
who, one was a veteran that got
pushed down the depth chart and

898
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,440
kind of came back up.
Another was a JUCO guy transfer.

899
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,280
So they're pretty good.
But man, our secondary for a

900
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,200
little part of the season,
especially against Pitt, was

901
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,720
just an unmitigated disaster in
coverage.

902
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,360
So the fact that Earl Little can
kind of come up and play the run

903
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
helps his numbers out a lot.
But in the past game and it's

904
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,680
been our secondary has been
pretty sketchy, which has been

905
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,680
pretty painful to watch.
Like sometimes they just look

906
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,720
like they just don't know what
they're doing back there.

907
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Yeah.
And I mean, we don't have we

908
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,200
don't really do a whole lot of
we haven't stretched the field

909
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,000
very well in the past again this
this season, to to say the

910
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,680
least.
Most of that has been kind of

911
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,600
schemed off of, you know, our
success in the running game and

912
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,920
things like that.
I did like you tying the the

913
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,240
three three stack Rover to the
Tampa 2 middle linebacker

914
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,080
connection there.
They're basically the same

915
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,440
position.
Yeah, but.

916
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,120
Yeah, it's, it's, it's
interesting to see like, like I

917
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,480
said, I think there's a lot of,
you know, there, there's some

918
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,920
corresponding elements to some
of the struggles we have.

919
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,000
I think ours has just been
exasperated even even worse by

920
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,120
the utter lack of.
Pass.

921
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Pass rush because of some of the
opt outs.

922
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Pass rush in general.
Passing game in general.

923
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Well, passing game in general
because our pass rush has

924
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,720
struggled as.
Well, oh, it's struggled as

925
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,000
well.
If we had a couple of year guys,

926
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,560
we might be sitting six and
three right now, but it's been

927
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,760
wide receiver wise that that's
what the struggle been.

928
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040
Tally anything else before we
get ready to close this out with

929
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Jesse here tonight.
Tally I think froze on the I

930
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,040
dagged on Alabama Internet.
I swear to God every time.

931
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Froze.
I'm sorry, I was froze man.

932
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,520
What was the question?
Anything else for Jesse before

933
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,280
we get this thing ready to wrap
up?

934
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,320
No, just tell him to go talk to
Jesse.

935
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Go talk to Tommy C and tell him
that we don't want the Alabama

936
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040
tummy see.
We want the eight other game

937
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,760
Tummy See.
So do I, I haven't.

938
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,360
Seen that in a while.
Brian, go ahead, Jesse.

939
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,760
I was going to say I, I really
think like the hardest part for

940
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,120
me when you look at this game
and, and picking and things like

941
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,760
that is I just don't know who's
going to show up, right?

942
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,560
We've seen Florida State play
good at home.

943
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,000
They're four and two at home.
They beat Alabama, they beat

944
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,720
Wake Forest 42 to 7.
You know, they lost to a

945
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,080
talented Miami team at home.
They lost to a good pit team at

946
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,440
home.
So who's going to show up for

947
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920
me, that's the thing.
And and I like, I actually like

948
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,760
the matchups in this game for
Florida State, right?

949
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,320
When you talk about what, when
you say the past game is the

950
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,920
kind of the weakness, that makes
me feel a lot better because our

951
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,760
secondary, our past defense is
our weakness.

952
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,640
Our linebackers can't cover in
space to save their life.

953
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,400
Our defensive line is pretty
just okay.

954
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,200
I wouldn't say it's really
special the names to know.

955
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,760
Darrell Jackson is the nose
tackle there.

956
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,640
He's pretty good.
The twins, the Desir brothers

957
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,720
are two freshmen.
They are outstanding.

958
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,840
I hope those are two that we
don't lose in a transition.

959
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,880
So I just don't know who's going
to show up.

960
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,800
But I like the way it matches up
in this one.

961
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,040
Man, I'm excited to watch it
play out.

962
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
If we were not at home, I would
probably prick Virginia Tech in

963
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,000
this one, right?
I mean, we haven't won a road

964
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,040
game since 2023.
We've lost nine straight.

965
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,600
So I would definitely pick you
guys if we were in Blacksburg.

966
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,960
And I do think that spread is a
little generous, right?

967
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,760
I don't think Vegas knows what
to think about us right now.

968
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,880
I think they're a little
confused.

969
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Maybe Mike Novell's betting the
spread or something like that.

970
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,160
Hopefully our athletic
department is so they can, you

971
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,800
know, boost up the money for the
buyout, put the put the booster

972
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,240
donations on the spread.
But yeah, I mean, I, I, I think

973
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,280
that's a little generous. 13 1/2
is a little much.

974
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,440
I think it's going to be a good
game.

975
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,960
Yeah, I think it's going to be a
good game.

976
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,120
I think the question is going to
be, can we do enough

977
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,040
offensively?
Because I think you guys are

978
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,960
going to get a lot of
opportunities on offense.

979
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,480
Whether or not you capitalize or
not that's that remains to be

980
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,000
seen.
Curtis, you talked about at the

981
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,760
open show, I was like, you know,
things might go well if we can

982
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,200
run the football and if the
history with Tommy Castellanos

983
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,720
and Virginia Tech is something
that carries forward.

984
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
I think we picked him off five
times in those matchups,

985
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,200
something like that.
So it's, you know, it's a pretty

986
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,960
good history for us on that
front.

987
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,120
But again, you know, it's a
different team.

988
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,000
It's at Doke, you know, I
thought y'all, y'all have a

989
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,920
little bit more to play for than
we do at this point.

990
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,480
So it's going to be interesting
to see how that kind of shakes

991
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,920
up.
But before we wrap up, Jesse, we

992
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,800
really appreciate you jumping on
with us tonight.

993
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,920
Tell all the folks out there
where they can find you and

994
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,920
where they can listen to more.
Plant the spear.

995
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,240
Yeah, man, I appreciate that.
So you can find everything that

996
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,640
we do on our website at plant
thespear.com.

997
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,320
We have links to our social
media, We have links to YouTube.

998
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
All of you can watch all our
episodes or listen to all our

999
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,080
episodes right there on the
website.

1000
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
So it's nice and easy.
You can of course, always check

1001
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,000
us out on YouTube, on social
media, Facebook, Instagram and

1002
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,560
Twitter.
Twitter's where I'm most active.

1003
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,040
I still call it Twitter where
I'm most active at.

1004
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,800
And then yeah, man, we have
podcast only version and and you

1005
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,040
know, we're we're the fans,
right?

1006
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,280
So we try to be the fans voice.
So if you're a fan, if you're

1007
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,760
Florida State fan, come hang out
with us.

1008
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,920
We go to the games, we do all
that stuff.

1009
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,000
We don't sit in a press box.
We get a little crazy and stuff

1010
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,280
like that.
When we get the opportunity, I'm

1011
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,160
going to be down there on
Saturday, you know, at at this

1012
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,720
game and I can't wait for it.
I'm excited, like I said, every

1013
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,720
time these two brands get
together, I, I just get excited

1014
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,040
about it, right?
It's a, it's a fun game.

1015
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,960
And like I was telling Brian I
was joking earlier, at least

1016
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960
it's not like 1 is up and one is
down.

1017
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Like maybe because we're both
equally bad, it'll just be a

1018
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,120
good game.
And in a vacuum, we won't even

1019
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,880
notice that we're bad, right?
We'll just think it's too, We'll

1020
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,800
just pretend it's two good teams
and we'll just go with it, man.

1021
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,680
But I appreciate y'all having me
on and I'm looking forward to

1022
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Saturday.
Appreciate it, Jesse.

1023
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,840
Take care of yourself man.
Have a good one.

1024
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,720
Now have a good one.
All right, so I don't want to

1025
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,280
jump to basketball quite yet
because obviously we did some

1026
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
coach talk there.
Me and Brian have been.

1027
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,360
We've laid out where we feel
right now.

1028
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:16,040
So Sheldon Talley, I just want
to get tally.

1029
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,200
James Franklin's bad for you,
hey?

1030
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Where are y'all at right now?
I mean, we are.

1031
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,040
It's been forever where you're
probably, I'm going to say we

1032
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,440
all think 17 days from actually
knowing who the next coach is.

1033
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,520
If not sooner.
If not sooner, sooner would be

1034
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,880
better.
Sooner would be better.

1035
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,840
Where are y'all feeling just I
mean who do you, I mean you

1036
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,960
know, there's all sorts of board
reports and all this crap going

1037
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,320
around where where are, where's
y'all set space at?

1038
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,560
I don't care who goes first
y'all just start talking.

1039
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,160
You got anything?
Yeah, I mean, I've actually kind

1040
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,120
of zoned out a little bit in the
coaching search.

1041
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,680
I'm not not plugged into the
message board as much as because

1042
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,360
I kind of I kind of got burned
out from it.

1043
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,040
But I mean, it sounds like, you
know, obviously James Franklin

1044
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,960
is, you know, in the lead so
far.

1045
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,000
And I was thinking about this
earlier today.

1046
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,640
I think not only does it make
sense from our perspective,

1047
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,560
obviously hiring a guy like
that, but I also feel like from

1048
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,960
Franklin's perspective, Vt makes
the most sense for him.

1049
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,880
Because if you think about it, I
mean, you know, there's going to

1050
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,440
be a handful of SEC schools that
open up for sure.

1051
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:35,080
But one, he doesn't fit that
recruiting footprint exactly as

1052
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,400
well as much as as well as he
fits us.

1053
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:45,440
And two, I generally speaking,
SEC teams do not hire fired

1054
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,120
former powerful coaches.
I mean, there been a couple

1055
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,760
exceptions, obviously, with, you
know, Steve Sarkeesian and Lane

1056
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,600
Kiffin, but that was kind of a
unusual situation where they had

1057
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
some personal issues beforehand
and then kind of went through

1058
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,840
like a, you know, a reclamation
project after that.

1059
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,000
It just, it just doesn't happen
very often.

1060
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,320
So I know it's kind of it's
different because obviously

1061
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Franklin's, you know, had such a
good track record and like teams

1062
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,120
are going to come after him.
But you go through it like

1063
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Auburn, it seems like they want
some role or you know, maybe

1064
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,160
someone's going to make a play
for Kiffin.

1065
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,040
You know, Florida, same thing.
Florida State, again, we don't

1066
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,080
know what their financial
situation is, so we don't open

1067
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,240
up.
So I think, I think on the

1068
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,400
whole, like I just think
Franklin makes the most sense

1069
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,360
for Vt from both sides.
So he's obviously my number one.

1070
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,200
You guys know, I'm a big Bob
Chesney fan.

1071
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,240
I think he would be, he'd be the
easy #2 we can, you know, split

1072
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,800
errors on that.
But for the most part, I feel I

1073
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,000
feel pretty good.
Like I, I think that's a pretty

1074
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,240
good 1-2 punch right there.
If you if you miss on Franklin,

1075
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,480
you could settle for a for a
really good hiring Chesney.

1076
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,720
Yeah, that's just I agree,
uncle.

1077
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,640
What about what kind of games?
Yeah.

1078
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,880
So, no, I, I mean, I agree with
what Shelton is saying for the

1079
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,240
most part, which I said it as
soon as he was fired, you know,

1080
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,520
that I thought James Franklin
was a good fit for Virginia

1081
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Tech.
Just from what we need

1082
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,320
standpoint.
You get so many people, we've

1083
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,200
been through this like 10
million times.

1084
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,160
But from what we need, we need
to get to the next step, the

1085
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,080
next game, not the big game.
We got to get to the next game

1086
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,480
before we get to the big game.
And I think somebody like James

1087
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,480
Franklin would come in and be,
you know, have US playing

1088
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,440
serious football off the field
and then on the field, as in

1089
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,680
money, recruiting, things like
that, which in a sense gets you

1090
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,480
to play a real, you know,
serious football on the field.

1091
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,800
I think he can do that really
quickly.

1092
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,880
You know, I haven't really paid
attention to Chesney much.

1093
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800
I know that he's done a a good
job at the stops he's been at.

1094
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,120
I just think it would for him,
he would have to build a little

1095
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,560
bit more.
And I don't know how much time

1096
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,880
we have to build.
I think chess needs a good

1097
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,960
coach, but I'm just nervous
about going after a coach that

1098
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,840
would need, oh, like, we get
pride.

1099
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Oh, we going to give him three
years.

1100
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,800
Like if Virginia Tech is sorry
for three years, what's going to

1101
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,520
be left?
You know what I'm saying, like

1102
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,160
we get left out of everything
you need to build right now.

1103
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,200
I think that's kind of the
mindset that we're in one year.

1104
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,080
I mean, you can do it in a year.
Somebody like James Franklin

1105
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,760
come in, bring in recruits,
bring in, you know, transfer

1106
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,800
portal kids to be competitive
next year.

1107
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,120
So in my mindset, that's of
course what I think and what I

1108
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,560
want.
But I also think that there's

1109
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,200
things that are already
happening.

1110
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,000
You know, there's all this stuff
going on on the boards.

1111
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Everybody's seen it and heard
it.

1112
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,520
And now you got Arkansas saying
that they got Franklin and you

1113
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,800
know, you got people at Florida
State.

1114
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,760
Don't nobody fucking know, man,
for real.

1115
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,640
You know what I'm saying?
Nobody really knows.

1116
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,320
I ain't going to say nobody
knows.

1117
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Somebody may know.
I don't know.

1118
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
I know what I want to happen,
but I know that there's a lot of

1119
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,000
smoke and mirrors out there
because even somebody that I,

1120
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,200
you know, really trust about
football in general and, you

1121
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,920
know, he's a coach in football
and he talks to a lot of college

1122
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,240
footballs.
He says he don't know, you know,

1123
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,480
he he said, hey, man, I thought
this was happening and then this

1124
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,560
didn't happen.
And then we had to go back and

1125
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,480
talk to the person about this.
So things change a lot.

1126
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,960
And then there's a lot of
legality that goes on in these

1127
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,200
in these contracts.
Just like when you look at LSU

1128
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,600
with Brian Kelly, you know all
he's fired.

1129
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,840
Then we got to go back and we
got to because it's a lot of

1130
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,760
money that's tied to these
contracts.

1131
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,480
So that's why it takes so long
for these people to get things

1132
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,280
done.
But I said all that to say Uncle

1133
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,600
James is coming home to
Blacksburg.

1134
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,480
All right, Tally, put the stamp
on it.

1135
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,880
The the I'm going to go to the
Brian Kelly thing.

1136
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,680
Thank you all both for giving
you all his opinion.

1137
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,120
Jumping out a couple weeks on
it.

1138
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,720
The Brian Kelly thing is showing
the biggest issue within college

1139
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,280
football.
They fired him.

1140
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,680
They agreed to pay 54,000,000.
Almost everybody can say, oh,

1141
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,960
this is what happened.
They went and looked at the

1142
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,360
books y'all and they realized,
wait a second, it's 54,000,000.

1143
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
We got to give to him and hit it
and, and now Jesse said

1144
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,840
Norvell's isn't that Norvell's
is a longer term play out.

1145
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,280
It could be.
Spread out over I think 3 or 4

1146
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,880
years, something like.
That all set language included,

1147
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,160
Yeah, but it's Kelly's is
54,000,000.

1148
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,200
His staff is probably 12 or 13
million, right?

1149
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Somewhere in there.
Then you got to pay the new

1150
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,240
coach and the new staff in and
out.

1151
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,320
LSU have looked at their books.
They ain't got the money.

1152
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,080
You know, and then this is
another thing, yeah, this is

1153
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
another thing too, car.
This is what you got to think

1154
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,520
about.
All of the coaches salaries have

1155
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,760
been reset this year.
You got, you know, you got Rhett

1156
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,720
Lashley that was down at SMU
making 3,000,000, two and a half

1157
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,600
million something last year and
he just gets a new deal where

1158
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,360
he's making 8 or 9. 8 or
9,000,000, yeah.

1159
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,600
You know, I'm not saying he's
got a good coach.

1160
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,680
I think he's been good for that
program.

1161
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
But guess what?
The next coach is going to look

1162
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,520
at that and say it's just like
any other sport.

1163
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,560
It's going to say, well, I've
been to the playoffs and he's

1164
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,480
making 8 million.
I deserve to get 9.

1165
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,160
I deserve to get 10.
You know what I'm saying?

1166
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:39,120
So now if LSU wants to be a
playoff team like some of these

1167
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,960
other teams around them, how
much are they going to have to

1168
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,880
spend on the next coach?
So like you say it, you're

1169
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,640
right, Curtis.
They went and looked at the

1170
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,960
numbers and say it, oh shit,
will you will you take less?

1171
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Will you take less?
And he's like, no, I ain't

1172
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,880
taking less.
And they're like, we didn't got

1173
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,120
the money.
What are we going to do?

1174
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,040
Because we need to pay him
54,000,000 and then we're going

1175
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,480
to have to get the next coach
what, 10?

1176
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,680
It's a rough game out here, man.
At least, Yeah, at least it's a

1177
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,840
rough game.
Out here and, and, and we are

1178
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,680
now in the day and age, NIO is
king because if you don't have

1179
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,960
your NIO situated and funded,
the coach don't matter.

1180
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,560
Everybody says the coach
matters.

1181
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Coaching matters depending on
your talent level.

1182
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,600
Because there ain't no way
Brian, no disrespect to him, to

1183
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,920
Sydney, Nick Saban couldn't go
take him to Sydney's roster and

1184
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,280
compete at the Division One
level.

1185
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,240
He's the greatest coach of all
time though, right?

1186
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,480
Why can't he?
Talent matters.

1187
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,640
It's always mattered.
And if you ain't got the money

1188
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,840
to pay your talent and you get
your house in order on that end,

1189
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,040
coaching only marginally
matters.

1190
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Curtis, you don't think he could
turn me into a Remington winner?

1191
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,280
I'm not saying that he going,
he'll get you some arm

1192
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,120
extensions.
Maybe.

1193
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,160
All right.
So.

1194
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,600
That's kind of where the
coaching is and and it's kind of

1195
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,280
to be honest, it's it's now
sitting wait, it is what it is.

1196
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,360
Some of y'all going to be happy,
whoever it is, some of y'all

1197
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,000
going to be pissed.
It's gonna be fun to talk about

1198
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,080
who the coordinator hires is in
the next month or two as we see

1199
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,720
that come down.
It's gonna be fun how the portal

1200
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,040
works, who stays, who goes.
So just let's just sit back

1201
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,320
because now I'm like Sheldon,
I'm, I'm almost burned.

1202
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,040
I'm like Sheldon Sheldon's
burned out.

1203
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,000
I'm like this close to getting
burned out.

1204
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,800
So luckily.
Actual news.

1205
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,880
Give me some actual news.
Something to chew on.

1206
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:37,680
I don't want to.
I don't.

1207
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,600
Want to have to scrounge through
the the board like Reed T

1208
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,280
leaves.
I'm done with that.

1209
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,000
All right, here we go.
Here's the news.

1210
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,640
The Virginia Tech Hokie
basketball team is, too.

1211
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,680
That's the news.
Two and oh.

1212
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,840
And not even that though,
because that happens.

1213
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520
I ain't going to say that
happens all the time, but that's

1214
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,080
just, you know, basketball.
It don't matter till you get to

1215
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,920
ACC play.
But the real but they.

1216
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,800
Beat A-Team but hold on.
Hold on.

1217
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800
But they beat A-Team.
That's projected to go to the

1218
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,200
tournament.
Finish third in the Big East.

1219
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,400
Still don't matter, still don't
matter to me because I feel like

1220
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,080
when you go, when you get into
ACC play night in and night out,

1221
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,120
you start to see who your team
really is.

1222
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Now, I'm saying that to say the
real news is Virginia Tech has a

1223
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,880
legit basketball player on that
team that will carry them

1224
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,040
through that ACC slate.
Because my knock on, I don't

1225
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,920
want to say knock, but what I
always said like about Mike

1226
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,400
Young's roster was, man, we got
to get some bigger guards.

1227
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Because when you start playing,
you know, Duke and you start

1228
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,120
playing North Carolina and
Virginia, the man, they got big

1229
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,320
guards for the most part, you
know, 6465 guards, long arms to

1230
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,360
jump.
And then we will be rolling out

1231
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,400
with Storm Murphy.
No disrespect trying to play

1232
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,800
against these guards night in
the night out of this heart now

1233
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,400
* Murphy did a great job.
Like I said, no disrespect to

1234
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,360
that kid.
But if you want to win, you got

1235
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,280
to you need to be bigger, you
know, at that guard position in

1236
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,160
the ACC.
Well, Neo is bigger.

1237
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,640
You know, I got to give the kid
his props.

1238
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,200
I try not to be on the hike
train all offseason because I

1239
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,560
was just like, yeah, I want to
see him play.

1240
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,240
I've seen some of the stuff he
was doing.

1241
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,880
But when you watch him on the
floor, he moves like Luca, man,

1242
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,200
I hate to say that because I'm a
Laker fan, but people were

1243
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:41,400
saying that he really does like
6-9 two 15220 and just he he

1244
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,240
doesn't look like he's moving
fast, but he gets to a spot and

1245
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,880
he makes his shots and, and you
can't, you can't stay in front

1246
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,320
of him.
It's like there is no defense

1247
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,920
for a great offense.
That's that's just real.

1248
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,600
In fact, that you can be the
greatest defender ever, but you

1249
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,040
cannot really, really stop a
great offensive player.

1250
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,400
Neo seems like a great offensive
player.

1251
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,400
When the game gets tough, you
can give him the ball and get

1252
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,480
out of his way.
That has always been my knock on

1253
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,800
what Mike Young has had.
I'm like, man, he can't get

1254
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,640
those type of players.
I don't know what they paid him

1255
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,840
and I don't know how he did it,
but he got 1.

1256
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,440
So shout out to Mike Young and
his staff for bringing Neo to

1257
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,960
Blacksburg and let them do his
thing.

1258
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,920
Sheldon, I know you got some
information on that, right?

1259
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,560
And you paid attention to Neo,
right?

1260
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,040
Yeah, I've been been following
the interrupts.

1261
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,400
It's pretty crazy.
I feel like we sort of have an

1262
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,000
Internet sensation on our hands
with all the the buzz that

1263
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,160
Nico's been getting, like lots
of popular college basketball

1264
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,960
accounts tweeting about him, you
know, doing deep dives and all

1265
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,280
that stuff.
The memes with Luca have been

1266
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,400
pretty good too.
So it's it's kind of fun.

1267
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,280
Not only is Tech good, but
they're also kind of nationally

1268
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,520
relevant, at least so far.
But I I'm really happy with how

1269
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,000
things have gone so far.
I mean, I try not to overreact

1270
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,320
to, you know, college basketball
too early, especially from like

1271
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,080
a, you know, stats perspective
because we're still kind of

1272
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,360
figuring things out and seeing,
you know, how the team performs

1273
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
early on.
But I mean, so far it's been

1274
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,560
pretty good.
The one thing I like, you know,

1275
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,720
Tech has been significantly
improved in terms of their

1276
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,360
turnover rate.
It was such a bad problem last

1277
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,160
year.
They weren't worse in the

1278
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,080
country, but now they're 17th
and turnover percent so far this

1279
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,440
year.
And I think the thing that Mike

1280
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,120
talked about in the precinct was
that, you know, he's got 3 ball

1281
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,880
handlers between obviously
Abdallas who's sort of like a

1282
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,120
point forward, kind of like our
our LeBron.

1283
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,920
But then you've also got guys
like Jalen Bedford who can

1284
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,040
handle the ball a little bit and
Ben Hammond as well.

1285
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,840
So I, I think we've got a much
more, a much better compliment

1286
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,920
at guards, at the guard spot at,
at the one.

1287
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,800
And you've also got more
versatility at the, at the, you

1288
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,240
know, center position between
Toby Lawall and Imani Monte

1289
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,480
Hansberry, who, you know, can
kind of provide a good punch at

1290
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,240
that four or five spot and some
more positional versatility too.

1291
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,280
So it's a much more deep and
versatile roster than it was

1292
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,200
last year.
So I think what we're seeing is

1293
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,840
that Mike, when he has his tools
to work with, he can be, he can

1294
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,680
be a very good coach.
Well, I'm.

1295
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,200
Going to I'm going to make it.
You brought up.

1296
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,600
Can I say 3 points?
So first of all you talk about

1297
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:21,600
size wise two of the guys
brought in this year Jaden shoot

1298
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:29,640
65210 Tyler Johnson guard 65210.
So not only I think Johnson was

1299
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,240
here last year y'all have to get
me.

1300
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,320
But shoot was a transfer.
I know you're talking about

1301
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,080
bigger guards, so you got three
big guards like that, but the

1302
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,200
other thing in Charlie, I'll get
it back to you Saturday and I

1303
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,920
didn't get to watch it.
I don't have Peacock sucked.

1304
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,840
My buddy Robbie, he's in the
chat tonight.

1305
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,840
He's been a while.
Football season's over down in

1306
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,080
the mountains.
He was giving us updates and you

1307
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,600
know, watch the highlights.
But watching the game flow that

1308
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,960
first half, Neo kept this in the
game because we were only down 6

1309
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,840
and half and it was him.
It was him.

1310
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,520
He had like what, 2019 to 20 in
the first half, but then they

1311
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,560
figured out what the adjustments
in Hansberry in the wall and the

1312
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,640
other guys in the second-half of
that game.

1313
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,880
Not only did he continue to
score, but they picked up the

1314
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,840
slack and and it's been so many
years where that didn't happen.

1315
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,360
So it was enjoyable seeing that.
Go ahead, Tyler, what you got?

1316
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,840
Yeah, no, I was just going to
say, and you know, a lot of talk

1317
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,920
has been about Neo, of course,
because of how good he's been.

1318
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,680
But you can go look at Hansberry
when Sheldon brought up as well.

1319
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,080
He's damn near averaging 20 and
20 and 10 right now.

1320
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,480
I know it's only been two games,
but when you got a big man

1321
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,160
that's and I mean he's not
thinking maybe like 6869

1322
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,640
playing, you know, center or
position.

1323
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Yeah, he's got some, he's got
some some beef in the inside.

1324
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,760
And I just when you watch him
play, he's just got a little bit

1325
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,160
different, a little bit
different motor than I'm used to

1326
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,560
kind of Virginia Tech big men
having has good hands, good feet

1327
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,880
and he get after the ball.
You know, he's going after every

1328
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,920
rebound.
He's not shying away from any

1329
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,040
contact.
He just seems to be in the right

1330
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,240
places at the right time, which
helps when you have somebody

1331
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,200
that's distributing the ball
like Neo.

1332
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,800
But again, I think he's
averaging 18 and 12 right there

1333
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,880
in those two games.
I mean, that's a big deal, man.

1334
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,560
And then like you, Sheldon and
and Curtis as well.

1335
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,800
You brought up a little while,
like I think he's right around

1336
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,160
13 and 12 or something like
that.

1337
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:43,000
He's just a, he's a athletic guy
that's just on the rim and it's

1338
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,760
a fun team to watch right now,
man.

1339
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,680
So anybody who hadn't been
watching, because I'm a, I'm a

1340
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,320
big sports fan.
I mean, I'm a huge basketball

1341
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:56,240
fan as well as football, but I
just haven't had much excitement

1342
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,480
watching Virginia Tech as of
late.

1343
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,360
This team has been exciting to
watch.

1344
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,800
And again, try not to get too
excited at the beginning of the

1345
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,920
season about stats and plays and
where we line up and stuff like

1346
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
that.
But even if we lost that game

1347
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,600
against Providence, it was
exciting to watch.

1348
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,640
I'm like, man, this team is fun
to watch.

1349
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,520
So I'm excited, man.
I hope, and I never say it.

1350
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,160
I know people will try to say I
said I never said Mike Young

1351
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,680
wasn't a good coach.
I didn't ever say that, I think.

1352
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,240
He's a good guy.
We did say that.

1353
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,279
I just think that I just said I
thought he was old and outdated.

1354
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,600
So I'm excited to see what he
does with this talent that he

1355
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:42,640
has and how these guys compete
this year because they look

1356
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,279
good.
They they look like it's going

1357
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,520
to be a fun year to pay
attention to basketball.

1358
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,200
Duke looks really good too.
So I will be.

1359
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,279
I got a kid that graduated from
here in Grissom.

1360
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:58,240
He's at Clemson, so I'm going to
try to solicit some tickets from

1361
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,600
him so I can check one of them
games out this year.

1362
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,800
There we go.
I'm interested to see what a

1363
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,279
Mike Young team looks like that
isn't overly dependent on the

1364
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:13,479
three and then having like one
other primary score.

1365
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:18,000
I feel like we've got enough
people that can get their shots

1366
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,080
in this offense.
It doesn't all have to come from

1367
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,120
the three-point line or go
through one person, although Neo

1368
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,960
has the ability to be kind of
that take over a game type

1369
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,680
player.
So I'm interested to see how

1370
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,720
Mike Young evolves with this
roster in terms of what he's

1371
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,960
trying to do from an offensive
standpoint because you know, we

1372
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,160
know what he can do when he's
got shooters out there.

1373
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,640
I'm interested to see what he
can do with having a true

1374
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,240
versatile mismatched nightmare
weapon like Neo, and how he can

1375
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,040
draw up some interesting things
to play off of that.

1376
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,800
Well, I mentioned this last
week, or maybe I didn't mention

1377
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,640
the last week when we go last
week Tuesday night, have they

1378
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,640
played the game?
I don't remember.

1379
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they played
the game and he did it again

1380
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:09,160
Saturday.
And it's to Tally's point, my

1381
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,880
young system can work, But every
time you draw up a player and

1382
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,920
have a set play, which Mike does
a lot right, not all the time,

1383
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,320
is it going to get you the best
shot.

1384
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,280
For years, at least as long as
I've known Jonathan Gen.

1385
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,520
Tech basketball, I just want to
tell he's always say I just want

1386
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,080
a guy that we're up three
points, we need to extend it.

1387
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,440
And you know what?
You don't say just go, go score

1388
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,680
a bucket.
And we've seen Neo do that like

1389
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,200
you've seen him just literally
stop, step back, fadeaways, just

1390
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,080
take him to the rim for a layup
or playing A2 man game with

1391
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,960
somebody and giving them an easy
slammer, an easy shot.

1392
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,880
And when that happens, it's
those times where we had made a

1393
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,520
bucket in 2 minutes, they cut an
8 point lead to four.

1394
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,240
He does something, cuts it back
up, goes back to seven and you

1395
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:58,280
killed him.
You know what?

1396
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,560
Yeah.
And you know what else, Curtis?

1397
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,120
If you go back and look at that
Providence game, he plays good

1398
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,000
defense.
You know what I'm saying?

1399
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:07,680
Like.
He.

1400
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,280
Has the length, yeah, he has the
length to play defense.

1401
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,800
And I've seen a couple times
where they tried to put him in a

1402
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,560
bad spot and, and, and get to
the rim on him and he knows how

1403
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,440
to use his body to go straight
up and didn't cause a foul.

1404
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,840
So he's a very, very smart
player, which a lot of times

1405
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,480
those, those European guys are
like years ahead of what how old

1406
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:32,160
they are.
They might not even be the age

1407
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,960
that they say they is.
He might be 30 years old.

1408
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,800
You know, I don't know what I'm
just saying.

1409
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,800
Like most of those European
guys, because they play with

1410
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,160
such older guys for so many
years, when they come over here,

1411
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,200
they're like they're pretty much
pros already.

1412
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,400
And somebody in the chat said it
sucks that we haven't for one

1413
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,520
year.
No, that's a great thing in

1414
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,920
basketball.
You want to have a one and done

1415
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,800
because that gets somebody at
your school that has a great

1416
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,520
year for him to be 1 and done
and then he goes to the league.

1417
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,080
We don't want him to go nowhere
else and carry their name.

1418
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,680
We want them to go to the league
and carry Virginia Tech's name

1419
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,440
and say, oh, that he was at
Virginia Tech and that brings

1420
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,880
more eyes to your school.
So I'm excited to see what he

1421
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,000
does this year.
Sean, is there anything else you

1422
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,000
wrote in your article or
anything else you want to pump

1423
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,800
because Saint Joe's tomorrow
night?

1424
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,320
Not the Saint Joe's of old, but
another decent challenge there.

1425
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,600
Yeah, they're a decent team out
of the 810.

1426
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,720
I think it'll be a good, a good,
solid challenge.

1427
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,440
I'd say on the whole, like we
guys were talking about, you

1428
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:36,960
know, Mike has said this will
not be a great 3 point shooting

1429
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,600
team.
This they could be an OK 3 point

1430
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,960
shooting team, but I think
they're mostly going to play

1431
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,760
through Nico, who can obviously,
you know, shoot from outside,

1432
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,840
but he's a really good mid range
score, can get to the bucket as

1433
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,600
well.
And also, you know, run the

1434
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,760
offense through Toby and
Hansberry as well, because I

1435
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,480
think I think Hansberry is very
talented and him and Toby are

1436
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:56,680
both very long and just have a
ton of athleticism.

1437
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,000
So, you know, they'll they'll
get the ball inside a little bit

1438
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,640
more and kind of just let Neo do
his thing.

1439
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,240
So yeah, I mean, I think I think
it'll be a good team.

1440
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:09,920
It'll be a good team.
Again, the big thing is really

1441
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,800
just, you know, defense.
How much of how much of a step

1442
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,040
up are they going to take from
from last year?

1443
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,320
I think they'll be a better
rebounding team.

1444
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,000
And I think they'll also score a
lot more in transition just

1445
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,000
because they've got more speed
and athleticism than they did a

1446
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,280
season ago.
So, and, and typically in

1447
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,480
transition offense has not been
a big thing under Mike.

1448
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,280
But from what he was saying at
Charlotte in the in the ACC

1449
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,880
media day, he thinks it's going
to be a little bit more of a a

1450
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,840
staple of his offense this
season.

1451
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,680
So very excited to watch that.
All right, perfect, perfect.

1452
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,520
Also go to T play.
Check out Sheldon's preview.

1453
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,400
Get all the insurance and outs
of this team this year.

1454
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,560
All right, real quick, get back
to football.

1455
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,480
First of all, does anyone have
faith that we are going to win

1456
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,320
Saturday night?
Is anybody picking the Hokies to

1457
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:06,280
win in US Four?
I'm not.

1458
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,160
I think it'll be competitive,
but no, I'm not picking them to

1459
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,720
win.
OK, Dally.

1460
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,160
Saying they're going to be
competitive, think it'll be kind

1461
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,640
of what we it's kind of a coin
flip because you got two teams

1462
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:22,160
that like don't know how to win,
but I just think they got more

1463
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,840
talent than us because we got so
many people that are out and and

1464
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,880
not there.
So I'm not picking up to win,

1465
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,160
but I'm I'm if the line would be
was 13 1/2.

1466
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,520
Is that what the line is?
13 Half is blind.

1467
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,200
Yeah, no, I think I would pick
us to cover, but not to win.

1468
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,320
Yeah.
Yeah, same exact space.

1469
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:50,000
I mean, I think it's going to be
about a 8 or 9 point victory for

1470
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,280
the Seminoles.
You know, I could push it to 10

1471
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,440
if you if you said the line was
9 1/2, I might pick FSU against

1472
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:02,320
the spread there.
But you know, 13 1/2 is is I

1473
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,160
think too rich.
I think we'll keep it close.

1474
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,360
I think we'll play it tough, but
I think we kind of fade in the

1475
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,320
fourth quarter and kind of let
them get a little bit of

1476
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,120
distance between us before the
whistle blows there at the end.

1477
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,200
Yeah, I think this is going to
be similar to the Louisville

1478
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,000
game.
I think we're going to punch him

1479
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,680
the whole time.
But what he mentioned induce a

1480
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,360
kid who has that sort of
explosion in their other kid to

1481
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,760
go over the top.
They're going to run the ball

1482
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,120
well enough against us.
I know we have been doing better

1483
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,800
against the run, but it's it's
Shelton's 8 old adage, right?

1484
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,240
They're going to hit probably 3
explosive plays.

1485
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,280
They're going to hit 3 plays, 30
yards plus something like 2717

1486
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,120
we cover.
But again, we just don't have

1487
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,080
the passing offense right now to
keep up.

1488
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,320
Literally, if a monsoon came
through Saturday night, we'd

1489
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,520
have a shot, but unfortunately
we don't.

1490
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,520
So you know, is what it is.
We said Mike Norville saves his

1491
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,920
job because he beats Virginia
Tech.

1492
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,120
There you go.
All right, let's go because we

1493
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:14,120
still got then I will say this,
pull it up Sheldon Talic.

1494
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,040
Y'all got to get over 500.
OK, just so one person on this

1495
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,200
podcast has a winning record
because me and Brian ain't got

1496
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,920
no chance in hell.
Yeah, the math, I think math it

1497
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,320
on my end.
Well we've had now if, if y'all

1498
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:33,120
haven't counted, me and Brian
have had 3 / 4 weekends, 6

1499
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,560
combined.
That's impressive.

1500
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,920
So fade us whatever we do.
Tally and Shelton started rough.

1501
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:43,080
They have been slowly climbing
back and it's been it's been a

1502
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,800
fun season of games, as it
always is.

1503
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,520
You know, it's always fun games.
It's out here.

1504
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,080
So regardless what happens, I
can be mad with us.

1505
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,320
At least now it's not the the
point where it's like I'm angry.

1506
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,000
I don't want to watch any other
games.

1507
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,760
I was at peace early in the
season.

1508
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,240
I'm at peace the rest of the
season.

1509
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:08,280
So let's make some picks.
Let's see if either of us can go

1510
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,160
really bad.
I'm picking first here.

1511
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,240
I thought this was an
interesting match up with NC

1512
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,200
State.
NC State versus Miami down at

1513
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:25,080
Miami, Miami laying 15 1/2.
NC State either is ass or they

1514
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,600
play like their hair is on fire.
There is no middle ground for

1515
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,400
them.
They beat Georgia Tech, they

1516
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,440
they lost to us though.
You make that make sense.

1517
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,560
In this case though, as much as
I like Miami, I think NC State

1518
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,480
does have enough talent.
I think that's too big of a

1519
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,160
line.
I think this is somewhere like a

1520
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,240
10 point game.
Give me NC State.

1521
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:57,360
I'll think that, points Sheldon.
Yeah, I took NC State, although

1522
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,840
in hindsight I might want to
switch it, But I, I do think

1523
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,000
that they're coming off a really
emotional win against Georgia

1524
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,080
Tech and I, I actually don't
like teams when they're coming

1525
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,600
off emotional wins.
So for that reason, my brain

1526
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,960
would kind of say Miami, but
kind of like you said, Curtis,

1527
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,840
15 1/2.
That's a pretty big line.

1528
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,280
I could see them losing by two
touchdowns, but three scores

1529
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,280
would be a little bit much.
So I'll take, I'll take the

1530
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,360
back.
And and real quick, Shelton,

1531
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:25,400
they did have last week off.
So they did not.

1532
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:27,600
They did.
They did have to have that

1533
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,520
buffer in between the big win.
There's more time to think about

1534
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,240
it even worse.
Or is it better?

1535
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:40,160
What do you think, Tally?
Well, I my first mind was North

1536
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,960
Carolina State, so I I chose
North Carolina State.

1537
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,680
But then now that I'm paying
attention and Curtis picked

1538
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,680
North Carolina State, I wish I
could switch mine and fade him.

1539
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,960
No, but I kind of had to say I
kind of had the same mindset as

1540
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,200
y'all.
I just feel like that's too many

1541
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,480
points.
I think with how bogus the ACC

1542
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,560
is, it don't even have to do
with these two teams.

1543
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,640
I just think that something has
to happen to cause chaos.

1544
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,520
So 15 1/2 is too much.
It's got to be a close game.

1545
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,400
I think Miami still pulls it
off, but I think it's a close

1546
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:23,760
game and North Carolina State
loses by maybe 10, something

1547
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:28,040
like that.
You know what, Tyler, are you

1548
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,040
going to see this and he going
to wish you would definitely.

1549
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,360
Think Miami.
Oh boy, she was stuck with

1550
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,400
Miami, man.
Hey, so I will say this.

1551
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,520
You know this is 1.
If you'd have told me that line

1552
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,920
was 12 1/2, you could probably
talk me into taking Miami here.

1553
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,280
15 and a hook just seems like
way too many points.

1554
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,760
There's way too many different
ways that can fall where it's

1555
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,880
it's 15 or fewer here, I think.
It's you're up, you're up 4221

1556
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,400
and you take everybody out and
they sneak a touchdown in.

1557
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,720
Yeah, it's it's it's goofy shit
that you can get this one.

1558
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,360
I I feel like it's going to be
like I said about a about a

1559
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,960
about a 12 point victory for the
for the Hurricanes here, but I

1560
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,360
did not like that 15 1/2.
So I'm going to state.

1561
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,520
All right.
Who's next?

1562
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,000
Is that me?
Did I just use that?

1563
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,480
I think that's me.
That is you.

1564
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,560
Interesting game to me.
You know, Georgia, I got a lot

1565
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,720
of Georgia fans, friends here,
so I, you know, kind of pay

1566
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,960
attention to them.
Georgia hadn't been super

1567
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,920
impressive this year.
I mean, compared to what we've

1568
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,520
seen, they've been impressive,
but I'm just saying the Georgia

1569
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,280
old, you know, just going out
and blowing teams out and stuff

1570
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,360
and Texas is just a weird team.
You know, I, I feel like I never

1571
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,760
know what I'm going to get from
Texas.

1572
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,960
You know, I don't think the
quarterback's that good, but I

1573
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,120
also think that their team is
pretty solid.

1574
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,720
So I think it's going to be an
interesting game.

1575
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,200
But I did take you, I did take
Georgia to win in this one and

1576
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,880
to cover in this one just
because I think that Arch is

1577
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,920
going to give up some
interceptions.

1578
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,080
Brad.
Yeah, I'm right there with you,

1579
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,840
Tally.
Oh, man, I'm riding with Georgia

1580
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,800
with you Tally.
I don't know what Texas team is

1581
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,160
going to show up.
And that's really the difference

1582
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,560
in this.
I mean, that's a Texas team that

1583
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,160
lost to Florida by 8 at home.
Georgia's a lot better than

1584
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,480
Florida.
Yeah, that's a, that's a Texas

1585
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:50,120
team that, you know, was in a
dog fight with Kentucky and then

1586
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,000
turned around 2 weeks later and,
and beat Vanderbilt.

1587
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,400
So I don't really know what to
expect from them.

1588
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,520
But because of that, I am going
to ride with Georgia.

1589
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,200
I think they're the more
consistent team.

1590
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,600
I think they're the team that
can probably take care of

1591
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,480
business by a touchdown at home.
All right, Yeah.

1592
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,320
Does it mean Sheldon, you get to
go forth?

1593
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:19,160
Hold on young man Tally Shelton
because I think I if I can

1594
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,720
remember what Shelton picked,
I'm going dogs on this one.

1595
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:27,240
The reality is the the tally's
like, oh God.

1596
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,960
The reality is Texas could be
like 4 and 5 right now.

1597
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,480
They should have lost
Mississippi State.

1598
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,280
They should have lost to
Kentucky.

1599
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,000
The honest truth is that
Vanderbilt had got their head

1600
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,520
out of their ass for the fourth
quarter.

1601
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,080
They would have lost to
Vanderbilt.

1602
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,200
They are not a good team.
The best game they played all

1603
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,880
year was at Oklahoma neutral
site when Mattie didn't have a

1604
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,240
damn thumb.
They get their doors blown.

1605
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:59,240
If this was 10, I did no.
Yeah, I just, I don't know how

1606
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,320
much I trust Arch against the
really elite defense.

1607
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,880
I think George is going to be
the the second best defense

1608
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,040
that'll that he'll play so far
behind Ohio State.

1609
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,400
So just not just not sold on him
going into that background and

1610
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,320
coming away with the with the
cover.

1611
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:14,840
There we go.
All right, there we go.

1612
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:19,000
And Sheldon, it's back to you.
Yeah, I just, I chose this game

1613
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,480
cuz I thought it was kind of
interesting.

1614
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,720
You've got Louisville that's
coming off just a horrendous

1615
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,760
loss against Cal potentially
cost him a playoff spot and then

1616
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,280
the Clemson team that kind of
had a get right game against

1617
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,400
against FSU.
So I'm going Louisville.

1618
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,120
I think it kind of the opposite
what I said the last time where

1619
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,960
I pick against teams ahead and
they're coming off an emotional

1620
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,920
win.
I am picking for Louisville

1621
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,960
because I think they're going to
be really pissed off after that

1622
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,480
loss last week and they're going
to they're going to have their

1623
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,400
heads screwed on straight
against Clemson.

1624
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,800
They're going to take out the
frustration on them.

1625
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,120
All right, Tally.
Yeah, I'm going to go with

1626
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,200
Clemson in this game just
because Dabo has the Lord on his

1627
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,920
side and he needs to get to a
bowl game to kind of salvage his

1628
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,720
job a little bit.
Think that he's going to do that

1629
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,880
somehow, but I think that this
will be a big win for him.

1630
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,000
Dabo can coach.
You know, I don't know how they

1631
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000
line up against Louisville on
paper.

1632
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,800
I haven't paid attention to the
two teams, but I watched

1633
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,800
Virginia Tech play Louisville
and should have beat them, and

1634
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:30,120
then I watched Louisville the
next week play Cow and and lose.

1635
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:35,240
So I feel like Clemson's going
to go in there and take care of

1636
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:39,080
business and win this game
unless Curtis says the same

1637
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:44,200
thing I did.
Sally, I hate to tell you

1638
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,680
something, it's not Curtis, but
it is me.

1639
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,560
I'm riding with Clemson on this
one too.

1640
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,280
I don't necessarily think that
Clemson had a get right game,

1641
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,840
but I just don't think
Louisville is quite the team

1642
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,760
that we think they are.
I think they've been exposed.

1643
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,680
Is that running back hurt?
Is that running back hurt that

1644
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,680
that hamstring injured?
I think I don't know if he's

1645
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,880
going to play or not.
I haven't heard final if he's

1646
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,520
going to be playing or not.
But we, we.

1647
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,200
Know that on Thursday.
Yeah, yeah.

1648
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,880
I thought I was saying that he
was still hurting.

1649
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,280
Yeah, you know.
I think Brown's still out.

1650
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,960
Yeah, I, I, I'm not, I'm not.
I'm not too high on Louisville

1651
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,720
as a team.
I think they're going to be,

1652
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,240
it's going to be a tight game,
but I think I think Clemson

1653
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,960
probably pulls this off.
I think they went out right

1654
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,200
probably, but it's going to come
down to the wire on this one.

1655
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,600
Louisville's a better coach.
Team Louisville's in a good

1656
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,000
headspace.
Louisville's playing for

1657
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,920
something.
I think they were 15th in the

1658
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,160
rankings tonight.
They still have a playoff shot

1659
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,960
with a couple games left.
They have still a child to go

1660
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,560
to.
The ACCI think they win by a

1661
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,600
touchdown all right, because
clearly the Lord ain't on Dabo's

1662
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,360
side to have all that talent.
The guy can't barely win four

1663
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,680
games, so he ain't the Lord
ain't on this side.

1664
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,560
Man, you got to look at the
whole body of work.

1665
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:10,880
Curtis, he's been there for a
while.

1666
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,920
He.
Said the whole body of work.

1667
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,560
The whole body of work.
The whole body of work.

1668
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:19,960
Clearly he sold his soul to the
devil for a few years.

1669
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,240
That's why he got lucky and won
all those titles.

1670
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,480
There you go.
That that may be, that may be

1671
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,680
true too.
He's sold, his soul sold to New

1672
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,880
Spring.
New spring church, by the way,

1673
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,480
Tally, I sent you a text.
February 11th, Tech plays down

1674
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:36,920
at Clemson.
That's the one.

1675
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,440
I think that's the Saturday too.
Had to check that out man, see

1676
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:42,800
what I can do to make it there.
So you can make it up.

1677
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,680
You know what, I picked this and
then I've seen what what

1678
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,320
Narduzia said.
So I might have to go back on

1679
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,120
this, but we got Notre Dame,
Pitt plus 11 1/2.

1680
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,200
This is apparently not a big
game, guys.

1681
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,680
This this.
Not a big game, doesn't.

1682
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,600
Matter at all.
It's this opponent has no no

1683
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,800
bearing because it's not an ACC
opponent.

1684
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,600
So we don't give a shit about
them.

1685
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:08,280
But Notre Dame is going to
Pittsburgh nonetheless.

1686
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:13,480
And The funny thing about this
one is that line, I think if you

1687
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:15,920
if you'd have bumped this down
to 8 1/2, I might would have

1688
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,800
maybe lean towards the Irish,
but 11 1/2 is just too much.

1689
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:24,200
So I went with.
Pitt, I too went with Pitt way

1690
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:29,240
too much like biggest game that
Pitt since like 2005 or

1691
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,840
something like game days there.
It's a noon kick.

1692
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,520
It's going to be like the Big 12
O clock game and Arduchi can say

1693
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,160
what he wants.
And this is where it's like

1694
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,880
you're in an era where, like
games like this still matter

1695
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,880
because if they went out and go
10 and two and they have a Notre

1696
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:51,400
Dame win on their resume, they
could sneak in again.

1697
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,280
This is why, like, This is why
all those people, when I know

1698
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,360
Sheldon Tally got to say This is
why all those people who said

1699
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,480
the playoffs is going to kill
the regular season?

1700
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:05,560
No, because in no conceived
circumstances 10 years ago would

1701
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,080
Pitt have had any chance to get
into a playoff playing Notre

1702
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,400
Dame this late.
They wouldn't have 7 and 2

1703
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,400
million in.
They do now.

1704
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,280
This game's massive.
And also if Notre Dame takes

1705
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,480
another L, there ain't no way
they're making it.

1706
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,480
I don't know if Pitt can win.
I hate Norduzzi, but I don't

1707
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,240
like Notre Dame and I don't.
I don't know.

1708
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:31,160
Lemon has too much.
Well, according to Pat and

1709
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,200
Norduzzi, this game doesn't
matter, so I will.

1710
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:35,960
I don't know if you guys saw
that on Twitter.

1711
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,520
His quotes, yeah.
But.

1712
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,280
Yeah, I don't know how the the
players are going to take that.

1713
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,680
I I'd imagine they'll be pretty
inspired after that, hopefully.

1714
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,800
But yeah, Notre Dame will
definitely win.

1715
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,000
But I do like pits cover, so
give me the Panthers.

1716
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:55,600
Same premise I feel and I feel
crazy now I need to go switch

1717
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,840
these picks man.
I'm trying to get the Curtis

1718
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,200
wants me to get the 500 but he
keeps picking with me.

1719
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,320
Well, it isn't.
Curtis and Brian.

1720
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,920
Listen, Brian, listen.
I'm usually the first woman.

1721
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,400
To talk himself there.
Brian started the year off

1722
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,160
wrong, so we should be fading
him.

1723
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,640
I'm thinking the same thing now
that Narduzzi's came on and said

1724
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,200
his crazy stuff that he said.
But that man is crazy.

1725
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,440
So I don't even listen to
anything he says.

1726
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,080
He's probably, you know, he's
smoking mirrors and he goes in

1727
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,080
the locker room and gets high
off cocaine or something.

1728
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,360
Who knows what he does, but he's
going to be he's, he's going to

1729
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,000
be dude.
He's going to be out for this

1730
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,400
game.
You know what he probably did.

1731
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,040
You know what he probably did,
He probably had all the kids.

1732
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,360
He probably said this is this is
such an important game for who

1733
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:45,880
we are.
We beat them, we knocked them

1734
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,760
out, we get in.
But watch what I'm going to say

1735
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,800
to the press.
Y'all going to get a kick out

1736
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:51,880
this and he goes out.
They don't.

1737
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,840
Care.
They didn't, yeah, they didn't

1738
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,960
care about the ACC, so we don't
care about them.

1739
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,400
And I'm telling he's always
doing something crazy, but I

1740
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,640
think, I don't think they win
this game, but I think they

1741
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,720
cover.
Yeah, I think they, I think they

1742
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,200
battle them.
All right, so there are the big

1743
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,640
screeners bunch and there is
more good games.

1744
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,640
I mean, we didn't even throw
Alabama, Oklahoma on.

1745
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,560
Yeah, that's a massive bite this
weekend.

1746
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,400
There's a couple of them, Lane
Kiffin against Florida.

1747
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,880
We remember what happened at
this time last year.

1748
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,880
Ole Miss was in, they're in the
playoffs, then they shit down

1749
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,560
their leg and they were out of
the playoffs.

1750
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,720
Love it.
Anything to add tonight

1751
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,000
gentlemen, before we wrap this
up?

1752
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:34,440
Oh, I.
Don't.

1753
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,240
Yeah, I think we're good.
I want to throw one thing in

1754
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:39,400
there.
Hold on one second.

1755
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,320
Curtis.
Give me just a second here.

1756
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,880
Trying to see who Curtis's best
friend plays this week.

1757
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,920
OK.
Curtis's best buddy, Shane.

1758
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:57,080
Plays.
Texas A&N plays Texas A&M this

1759
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,160
week.
He's going to win the game.

1760
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,240
Watch because you didn't put it
on the board that was your big.

1761
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,200
Screener So that was going to be
my question.

1762
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,080
That was going to be my
question.

1763
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,960
He's sitting at 3:00 and 6:00,
the same record as the Hokies.

1764
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:16,840
Is Shane on going here and shot
the number 3 Texas A&M Aggies

1765
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:22,400
Curtis?
No, no, although, although he's

1766
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,000
done all the right moves by
firing people ahead of time to

1767
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,720
save his job for next year, I
don't think he can win that

1768
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,400
game.
That's that's down there.

1769
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,440
That line's 18 1/2.
Nope.

1770
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:41,600
I don't think the game's what
about either one of y'all. 2:00

1771
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,640
AM.
I taking South Carolina.

1772
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:49,320
Brian, what you think?
No, this is fade.

1773
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:50,400
Shane, you.
Don't think he can go on it.

1774
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,280
You don't think they're going in
shock them.

1775
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,480
We go fade Shane the rest of the
way.

1776
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,520
Fade Shane baby.
Fade Shane.

1777
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,360
Biggest win this year could be
against a three and six Virginia

1778
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,160
Tech team and you gave your
daughter the game ball.

1779
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,520
Fuck off.
There you go, Shelton.

1780
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,960
My audio cut out for a second,
what were you guys talking

1781
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,360
about?
Talking about can, can, can they

1782
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:20,960
beat Texas A&M this weekend?
No, no, they they will not.

1783
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:25,120
Texas name is legit man.
They are, they are legit.

1784
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,840
I I was done a great job there.
He has done, could have been our

1785
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,720
coach.
Could have been our coach, but.

1786
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,240
Hey, could have been our coach.
Well, we're not going to get

1787
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,080
into that today.
We can get into that stay of the

1788
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,560
program roughly 5 weeks away.
We'll get into that, right?

1789
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,760
All right, with all that fun
night, a lot of people watching

1790
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,840
a lot of stuff in the chat
appreciate Jesse from Fear the

1791
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,680
Sphere, a great name for a
podcast.

1792
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,800
Plant a spirit, Fear to spirit,
plant a spirit, Chuck to spear,

1793
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:00,040
whatever.
He got a spirit planet.

1794
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:05,240
Yeah, that's right.
Listen, I'm tired of y'all.

1795
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,240
I gotta go to bed.
So I'm going to wrap up this

1796
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:11,720
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1797
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,040
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1798
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,200
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I'm Brian Siegler.

1799
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,880
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1800
01:33:21,480 --> 01:33:24,080
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