Know the Enemy: Florida State

0:50 Defense 12th in the country in total defense. Fewer than 300 yards allowed per game. Drones takes a deep shot looking for Take One Belton. For a touchdown. 54 yards. This one's not contested because he just uses his speed, just runs a straight goal out, and then it is a beautiful ball by Kyron. Drones couldn't hand it to him any better, and Virginia Tech is off to a good start. And welcome back to Deep Boundary Corner Podcast with my partners, Brian Sigler. Jonathan, Tally and Shelton Malls, I'm Curtis Wilson.

1:32 In this episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood pharmacy located at 301 S Main St. in it right here at the top. We we had a show that because we ain't had much to curl about in the first quarter of many games this year. But first possession, what third play of the game, a bomb happens. Didn't see that one coming up. Top. I will take it. All day long. We we hadn't seen a lot of deep stuff in a in a few games there, so it's nice to see us hit that big one, really get off to a good start, put their backs against the wall a little bit.

2:14 It always likes to do that at home when you got the crowd behind you. Well, after after taking them three and out and doing that, it was just like that the the crowd, which was already just absolutely insane on the whiteout Saturday night. Just took it to another level. The place was never quiet so we got a lot to talk about on a 3821. It is a tell the truth Tuesday. We're going to tell a lot of good truths tonight. Not a lot of the and some bads but mostly good. But you know want to tell real quick rally to Robbie this week not at home. Check out the pharmacy. 7 bucks at Venmo got with Grayson. They will be back in a Lot 1 next week for the Homecoming Wake Forest game. So check that out. And before we get into the big stuff, let's talk about the commit.

2:59 Did y'all see the basketball commit yesterday? It. Was a pretty big one. Big time. Big time. So Shelton, I don't know how much you got on him, but it's Ryan Jones, A6 foot eight center, 225 out of Gainesville, FL. He is a composite 97. He is a high four-star. He is a top 70 player in the country. I think I read correct me if I'm wrong, Shelton, the fourth highest rated player of all time that has come to Tech. That is correct fourth highest rated player of all time and six foot eight. You could play them at power for you, play them at center obviously pretty versatile and kind of fits the the Mike Young bolt of a big man. So it's a bit, it's a big time pickup for sure. Definitely big time pick up.

3:42 And then looking at the offer list here, I mean he wasn't short. He had a lot of interest from a lot of different schools. Effectively the Hokies beat out the Gators down there, which you know goes our way this time for once about a kid wanting to get away from home right in basketball. So it's a good thing for basketball, but I wanted to hit that real quick because we are etching every day of the season. If none of y'all follow, what's his name? John. John Rothstein Every morning I wake up at fools counting down the clock to basketball season's almost here and that's something we'll be taking a look at in the Next up this upcoming month taking some basketball stuff. One other news and note guys, if you didn't see this, Evan Watkins over 247 put this out and I know they were close. Aiden Green, Braylon Johnson, Dante Lovett, Moose Phillips. And Caleb Woodson, the Red Church are gone. They got a choice.

4:45 No choice. Man got to. You got to and and also The thing is with those guys and they're playing good roles like Green's got a couple catches to be a freshman. Johnson, Lovett. Lovett's playing I think every special team snap. So any any, any feelings on this or you know, Tally said it had to have Brian. Any feelings on this? I mean, the big thing for me was talking about green. You know, we are. We talked about the beginning of the season. He was going to be that kind of 5-6 roll in the wide receiver room and we're seeing Green kind of etch that that roll out for himself there. The others are just we needed the depth and that's where they are. And I mean some of them would play well in its spots. I'd say especially Phillips is coming along and you know, Woodson's out there getting a lot of run and obviously Johnson and Lovett have been kind of filling in at cornerback when we need him in there and occasionally jumping back to. To safety when we got thin there. So I mean it's just been necessity on the defensive side, but good to see a guy like Green kind of take that that jump into the that five and six roll in the wide receiver room. Shown any thoughts on any of these guys you know? Is there one maybe of the bunch you've noticed with data statistics to say wish we could have held it, not burning him? No.

6:02 I mean, I think it's just it's kind of hard to judge with young guys because you don't, first of all, you don't have the sample size, really to make an accurate judgment. You just don't know how they're gonna, how they're gonna project in the future. So I tend to trust coaches with red shirt decisions, You know, it's not, it's not my place. They assume every day in practice. So, you know, it's whatever they decide I'm cool with. Yeah, yeah, we are not the full TSL. Chris Coleman, red shirt, everybody. Because in some situations, you know they're going to be County Jenkins as a senior you had to get Woodson or whoever won that between Woodson and I cannot think of the other kids name from down in Petersburg Cottman. You know they were one of the women get a ton of run this year.

6:42 You just knew it was going to happen just because it had to happen. And then with the depth at cornerback, we said it, you know, six weeks ago, like these guys are going to get run like they're probably not going to be a red shirt for them. And then they played pretty good, so. You know they're gone. I don't know who's the next one to be gone, but there probably is going to be a few more burn before the end of the season. So we shall see. All right, well, let's get to it. Let's tell the truth Tuesday again. 3821 win for the Hokies against the Pitt Panthers. The Pitt Panthers that came in with the 12th ranked defense in the country. Total defense in the country, which was kind of, you know, St. They gave up. They gave up less yards to UNC than they did us.

7:25 I don't know. That's crazy all. Right, but what went well, I'm going to start this off because watching Lane Stadium Saturday night, she was mean. She was loud. It was intimidating. They had multiple false starts. You could tell that stadium was in the head. And it did not quiet the entire game, even after big plays kept being loud, kept disturbing them. And it's like that. It's that throwback, right? Like we always see it loud, but that's Saturday night she was she's nasty. It was loud, very loud you know seen it on the on the shots it looked like, I like the white out looked better than I've seen it look anytime we've had the white out.

8:11 So kudos to the fans for for really leaning into that and getting that to to look pretty incredible out there. But yeah, I mean, I thought the. The atmosphere was great. We looked at at what they were able to do in the field of the commitment to the running game, getting drones in the running game, but just leaning on the running game. We saw them kind of get a little bit of momentum last week, went away from it, came back late, hit it early and often. This week we're able to sprinkle some big plays in there that we hadn't seen before. So I think, you know, looking at that, those are two big things that I didn't expect against this pit defense. Me either.

8:53 Tally. Tally, I had a quick question for you. You know how many times we ran the ball Saturday night? Man, I don't know. Probably what, 65? Close 5959 at 3.4 carry. And you'd have told if you'd have told any of us that we do that against any defense that we're playing, especially probably that first game, especially Pitt, we had said you'd lying. You know he's just. Basshell Tootin is is just, he's a man. He was, he was tired man. You can tell he was sucking win. He was punishing people after runs but he continued to do it.

9:33 He go on the sideline, he get him a little water, he get back in like it was. It was good to see, you know it takes us to the next point where Tyler Bowen caught a pretty good game, man. Like his play designs. The play calls were actually pretty spot on. You know, all of us watching the game, a lot of times you're like, why are we running up the middle so much? Why are we doing this so much? I mean he he got people on the outside. He moved the pocket for drones, You know, he called the right quarterback draws at the right time. Like it was just the play designs man. He he did kudos to him. I think he was a ACC coordinator of the of the wheat.

10:19 I was well deserved, man, because, I mean going into that game, you know, the ACC Network is there. Everybody loves Lane Stadium, everybody loves the atmosphere. But I can say nobody expected what they seen on that field Saturday night. I know I didn't. I don't think any of the commentators did. I don't think any of y'all did what you say, Curtis. We definitely didn't. None of us did. I mean, we were effectively. It was one of those nobody in this room. Nor our guest last week picked the Oakies to win. We all had it close. We all had it close. But. No, you got to go back. Mike did. Remember Mike, Daniel did. He said. He said this is going to be the week that we're going to put it all together and we're going to get picked.

11:02 And I said, ah, you're a liar. It ain't happening. Mike did pick him to win, though. All right, so shell, I'm going to throw this to you man, because I think you got the data there. If not, I know you can pull it up pretty quick. How many explosive runs and passes did we have on Saturday night? Because it seemed like we were getting multiple 1/4. We did, yes. I'm pulling up A1 SEC. Also, just to another note about the number of plays you ran, part of the reason that we ran so many times is because we had the ball so long. I think we had, we had 78 plays for reference that the average in a game is about 66. So we're plus 12 in the average. And I think we had 32 more plays run than Pitt did.

11:44 Wow. So that kind of that kind of speaks to like how? I'm actually dominant. That is crazy. That is crazy. So yeah, so in terms of explosive plays, actually we did not have a huge amount. So I'm seeing 7% explosive play rate which is about kind of around the 36 percentile. And then if you divide it up in terms of run pass, he had four big passing plays and then one big rushing play. So it wasn't so much the explosive plays as it was the I would say staying on schedule. Tech had a really good success, right? Which I'm sure we can talk about, but they just they they never got behind the sticks. Yeah, no, we didn't money down conversions. We were 10 to 18. That's over 50%.

12:26 You tell me. We're 10 of 18 every here game from here to the end of the season. I will. I will take it. I don't care. I will take 10 of 18 every week on 3rd and 4th downs. Because like you said, we sustain drives. We sustain drives. And I know in a little while here somebody's going to talk about TOP. He's got the exact number. But that was the impressive part you talk about. You said 7%. Well, heck, when you go 7% of 70 plays, that's about 6 big plays and you're talking about one right out the bat, which immediately they it took them a it took them a while to start bringing that safety back down into the box after they got burned once, they did not. Effectively they like to play the guys up and it's like you get burned once over the top because it was a if y'all.

13:09 Remember that play was a go post route. The safety went with the post. They Quan beat his man over the top. What are you supposed to do? And the other thing, let's flip to the other side on defense real quick. Two for 11 on money downs for Pitt. Would you love to see? 411 what What would you see Brian, with that? What? What was going on with the stops that really made it successful on Saturday night? Getting in Jerkovic's ass on on those third down plays. His new name, His new name is Filthy Field. That's what we're calling him on this show.

13:50 I don't know what Lane Stadium does to him, but Filthy Field does not react good when he's in Lane Stadium. Talk about we talked about Boeing getting a tight asshole last week in that in that second and third quarter, every time Phil Jakovic lined up in Lane Stadium, he's got a tight asshole. It's like he forgets. I mean, he hasn't had it now Great. He has not had a great year playing quarterback in general, but he was in hell for four quarters. He was. He was. And outside of two, outside of two plays, he did nothing. He was so nervous. If you go watch on the play where he pulled the ball, nobody was around him.

14:32 He was still scared, I think, the commentator said. He didn't even realize nobody was around him. He hesitated like go watch that play. He just he didn't want to take off. I don't know what I mean was but. You know, I talked, I talked a little bit last week. I was like, if Phil plays, I think he's still going to be a little bit gun shy and he looked a little bit gun shy out there. He looked a little bit gun. Shy. And then he would talk his shit like, you know, like, what are you doing, man? Look at the scoreboard. Well, one thing I can say, you know even on that clip that you that you showed at the beginning and it wasn't just the quarterback, but the quarter. It helps when it's the quarterback. Like I don't want Dick heads on the. Well, I do want Dick heads on the team. You know you don't want people to do that the. Right kind of Dick head.

15:17 You don't want people to do stupid stuff off the field, That's what I mean. But when? When drones hit, that touchdown hit felt over the top. You saw all the way down the field. First of all, he hit the celebration, which is awesome. This is football. Have fun. He is passing people that he's going to have to hit all night. Ryman, they're going to hit you all night. He's talking, John. He goes up to the cornerback. He's pointing at him. We got you. You know, it just looks like he's saying you got you got your eyes in the back field, we got you. And I was thinking. This can go one or two ways because a team like Pitt is very physical, mostly, you know, like that's what we're they're known for.

15:58 But by the end of the game or middle of the game, they're helping drones up. They're tapping them on the helmet. He was punishing people after runs. Like, it was crazy to see the attitude that we took on, like, where's that be, You know what I'm saying? Not just him Tooting, you know, Felton. Everybody who was even the, even the lineman who weren't fucking blocking good, had a a nasty attitude. I'm all right with that. Dragging people, you know, you got people getting in the pile. When's the last time we pushed the pile? I wait. What do I always say, Curtis? If you go fuck up, fuck up full speed. Man. Fuck up full speed and hit.

16:39 Somebody we're pushing the pile. We we after trying to make something happen. Like, just that attitude man was. Great to see, you know what I'm saying? Because I've seen it on defense a little bit, You know, I've seen some glimpses on defense. But offense is like, what are we doing, man? We're going in places, We're acting scared. But Saturday night, man, it was, it was kudos to the fans. I think Alex said he was there. Alex, I love you and fuck you because the game I went to was a hurricane and we didn't get to see lane hopping like it was when you, man. I know it was awesome to see. Well yeah definitely also to see and it and it and it made a lot of things talk. I mean it made a lot of like you said that energy went through because one thing we had mentioned was like let's get pressure on Jacoby sacking 4 times he got hit more.

17:27 I mean it was all might they were in the face and the biggest piece of that is somebody who I didn't get to hear the interview today for Darius Payne's playing like a madman right now. I mean his twitch and and coach probably mentioned it today. How he comes off the ball when it's snapped, he shoots that. I mean it. It takes me back to the days I'm thinking here. I always remember John Graves had a quick twitch like John Graves was a truly a defensive man when he played down at Meadowbrook, right, Meadowbrook. And then when he got up they put him at D tackle like Corey Marshall. Same way the 285 pounds, but they so quick and twitchy and we were destroying them all night.

18:13 All night, Brian, let's talk, let's talk about a few other things. What have we been struggling with that showed no signs that it was ever anything that bad? When you get 38 rushing yards total on a on, let's see how 2224 carries. Say that again. 24 carries, 38 rushing yards. That's not good, man. That's not good, but with, but with what we've struggled with in the last few weeks, did it shock you? It it, it was it definitely it it peaked my eyebrows up a little bit. I was like, all right, that's not expected, especially against this team because as much as they've been struggling in the past game, I figured that we would see them kind of lean on the run a little bit and they weren't able to be able to get really anything going.

19:05 It's like, you know, we talked about it last week. We talked about. We got to get Mike back on him and let him have his roundabout run fits. And you know Brian's talked about tackling like it did not rears ugly head except for one play. Well, which I'm sure we'll talk about one play we seen no wrap up shot out of a cannon that gives the freaking running back a boost to get to the end zone. But other than that it's like the run fits were better. You know what I'm saying? The. The tackling was 10 times better. Anytime you hold A-Team to 38 yards and it's like you kind of feel like at one point it was like we demoralized them, you know what I'm saying?

19:50 Like they fought for a little bit, but they were so deflated, man. And then you got some people say, well, such and such was hurt. I don't give a fuck who was hurt. They sent A-Team down here. They played. I hate pit. Last year they had fucking 6 touchdowns and 320 yards rushing by one player. I don't care if they had Forrest Gump before he got his braces off running, the ball hit. Him and they did all night I mean and again you mentioned the tackling. I don't know if you've got anything on it Shell but I'll I'll ask him talking to it. But it didn't seem like other than the one plane we're going to talk about it in a second here. I don't. I didn't foresee any missed tackles like.

20:32 It was wrap up. It was get down. It was wrap up. Stop. Wait for the gang. You get there and then they go down. It was gang tackling too, like you said, gang tackling. You've seen so many maroon jerseys flying to the ball, you know, besides just the first guy. Unless the first guy got him down. And then you had people coming, like, you know, case in point, who was it that got the Jacobic? Kendricks got into COVID and it was so quick that he got to him and he thought he was down. But you had and you had to watch it in. Like I had to watch it a couple, Yeah. I had to watch it in a couple of times. He comes through and punches the ball out, you know, like and and recovers the fumble, like that's that's part of being around the ball.

21:21 That's part of gang tackling. So love to see it, man. Yeah, and I'll say this, I mean, this is the first time I've really seen. Us have that kind of identity on both sides of the ball and in a game for four quarters. And I mean, I know it's easy to say you've got an identity when things are going well for you, but we haven't really seen a whole lot of that the last couple years. So it was good to see a game where you felt like we were playing to our strengths on both sides of the ball. All right, so Sheldon, give us the number. How many missed tackles Saturday night? So per PFF, we had six total miss tackles and our our overall tackle rate was around 83%. So it's pretty solid.

22:03 I think the national average is probably around 20%. So we're definitely above above the average. Very nice and that's what we need to see. It's those continued steps up and up and up because again, it ain't gonna be perfect. We do have some flaws, but The thing is what I think, I think as a fan base and probably us four, that makes us feel better. Talking about the run fits and tackling, we know it was an issue and it's like I know I'm not going to say it's solved yet, but at least I know they are coaching to it and you saw it in practice. Just like Tyler Bowen, we talked about you know he processed it, you can't get away from the run. We have to continue doing this.

22:44 He didn't get away from it. So it's they're learning from those mistakes that continued, that were continuing to happen and finally they self corrected, which is always a good thing. All right. We do have to talk about what went bad. You know, we, we, we, we can sugarcoat it. But Brian, where do you want to start with this? What it was? That Saturday night. Let's start. We always do the right side of the offensive line. It was another subpar overall performance. Probably the some of the other guys on the other side of the ball had some of the better games they played in their career specifically I'd say. Kaden played really well.

23:24 Xavier Chaplin probably played the best game in his career. So you know when you have that there, what's kind of going on the right side looks stands out a little bit more, right? So not a good game from Parker. Not, not, not as bad as it has been the last couple. Probably Schick's worst game, especially in the run game that that I've seen this year. So rough overall on that side. Thankfully, it didn't end up. Having a big impact on the game between what Tudon and Drones were able to do with some of the misdirections, some of the broken tackles and making something out of nothing. Some of that kind of got glossed over a little bit where where there was a a good play from that wasn't really blocked that great right. So you had, you had a few of those, but Zero had Bob the Builder inhale all night.

24:20 Even when he wasn't making plays, he was in the backfield, he was grabbing people. He was doing all types of shit. Bob, I'm going to tell you, like I told Parker, if you don't get it together, y'all too I'm on. Since we won, I'm going to let you. I'm going to let you live. You better get it together. You better protect this quarterback in this running back. So Sheldon, who was our highest graded alignment in the case? It was definitely getting more. I remember looking at the the grades. I think it was around like 6063 or something. He was really good in in fast protection and pretty good and and run blocking as well. But I mean for the most part I think the office of line was pretty average to below average outside of more.

25:01 I think the biggest, the biggest reason for the success as you guys saw was the the wide receiver blocking in the perimeter. That's how you that's how they set up all the the outside runs. You can't. You can't make those plays work if you don't have good blocking from the wide receivers. But when you got a tight end coach for a wide receiver coach, you better. I got a feeling fine tail minds. You don't block, you don't play for that man. And just his face shows it too. On the other thing, on the touch, Yeah, on the touchdown where Drones was dragging three or four people in the end zone, the only person I've seen that, like, really engaged and blocked was more. If you go back and watch the play, you know, it just wasn't nobody else there, you know? And the and the three or four people that he was dragging in the end zone was the people that were supposed to be blocked.

25:45 So you know, like. Sometimes you get lucky. Partly got lucky. His man took himself out of the play. Chaplain's man kind of took himself out of the play, then redirected and grabbed. You know, he has some other people grabbing. But I mean what I can say. I know we talking about what went bad, but what I can say is even though we was fucking up, we was doing it full speed. Yeah, Brody was in there helping. He was trying to pull and taking, taking drones to the end zone. And sometimes that's what you need, man. You got to, you got to find something to play for, you got to play for each other and there you go. It looked like we at least tried to do that. If you can't play good, play hard. There you there you go. So let's talk about the couple explosive pass plays that led to two of Pitts 4 touchdowns.

26:33 Do we all agree the first one is what it is? Man got beat, Bombed on us. Bomb can't do nothing about that. The second one was the the one Tally was mentioned in a few minutes ago. Yes, the obvious. Nobody wanted to wrap up Flemeister on that little screen. Nobody. And. That play which went for, I believe it was 5061 yards. 6161, Yep, 61 in the 75 as 136 of their yards right there on their total. I think it was under 200 plus, but it's still you still don't like to see it right.

27:14 I know, I know, Shelton can probably pull us up here and say percentage wise for explosive plays, we were significantly lower Saturday night. Than the national average. I'll let him I'll let him pull that up and talk about it but it's still it's knowing where you're going it's that whole forcing teams Brian me and you always talked about this for years forcing teams to drive the ball more plays equals more potential errors. If if you getting when you getting shredded with one or two plays and they go for you know 30-40 plus yards like you don't have a chance in that. They score and it's like that whole mentality of keep it in front of you, you keep it in front of you, they got to run another play. Eventually somebody will screw up hopefully and good things happen.

28:07 So go ahead, go. Ahead, I was just going to. I'll let you go and pitch it to you. I'll jump in after that. Sean, what, what was the percentage on explosive plays from Pitt if you have that data? If not, Brian will jump in while you're still researching. Yeah, you can go ahead. I'm I'm still looking at it. Yeah you're good just saying on explosive plays I mean you know that's really been the the big struggle for this team in every game so far. You know let let those big plays especially in the run game. So the fact that we're we're starting to make some some hay there is nice but you know you still have the one like you said it happens but when on on the screen just get them to the ground.

28:51 To the ground and The thing is. And guys are in position to make the play. That's the more frustrating, like if it's a caravan, then you know it is what it is. But right, if if you just get out outflanked, then we got accepted like they threw a bomb on us. Somebody got beat. Nothing you really can do. Somebody got beat with no safety help, but when you when you got people in position to make a tackle and the defense somewhat looks to be called to stop that play, even though that was a safety blitz, I mean a corner blitz, they threw the ball where the corner came from. We still have people in place to make the tackle. A PR came in like a like he was shot out of a rocket, just didn't wrap up and when he hit the running back, it looked like he gave him a Mario star and he took off to the end zone. I was like, how did he do that?

29:45 Like he wasn't running that fast before he got hit. So it was just when stuff like that happens, you know, and especially in like that point in the game where you're making some noise, I think it was 28 to 7 and then they go for a run like that. You're like okay, here we go. That's what Virginia Tech does. We we give up the big plays, so. Very true. Sheldon, were you able to find anything? Yeah, I just, I think I so I had 7% exposed to put rate against Pitts and then I think against Rutgers it was like 4%, which is pretty bad. Marshall was much better, though. So The thing is, it kind of obviously goes up and down game to game. There's a lot of variance in terms of explicit plays. I would say this is probably 1 area where I think maybe the analytics.

30:35 Differs from conventional wisdom. It's not that explicit plays don't matter, It's just that they tend to be pretty random. And so the most sustainable way to create offense is to, like I said, stay on schedule, be successful, you know, get get chunk cards when you can. I think it's what like to the point you're saying having explicit plays is big because it reduces the number of plays you need to score for to to have a successful drive, which is less, you know, potential for error. But when you look at it over over the course of time, the best offices are the ones that stay on schedule, not necessarily the ones that have the biggest explosive plays. So it it does matter, but it's just one component, I think, of sustaining offense.

31:17 And so the biggest thing for me against Pitt was the fact that tech was, like I said, extremely successful. They were They had a 50% success rate, which would have been around the 90th percentile. So that's that's really, really good. Yeah, we need to offense. And I mean, you know to to Sheldon's point there, when you look at those, those explosive plays and you look at what Pitts been doing all year, The problem that with Pitts offense is that they're pretty much only explosive plays right now. Like, they have very little. They're generating very little offense outside of those explosive plays. Right. But you know the one thing you talked about Shelton's making a great point of staying on task, it's impressive you say we're at 90% success rate when we had 10 penalties at 91 yards. Now two of those were complete.

32:06 Two were bullshit. I'll straight straight up two were bullshit drone spiking the ball and a 15 yard penalty and delaying trash talking. Really. I mean I'm wondering is it, I'm wondering is it a cold word that the the reps said like some some reps don't like a certain word. Did you say, you know, I wonder, did he say that word? Maybe, you know, I mean like. The football. And he's like, wait a second. Spiking the football gets you a penalty? What? Yeah, well, I didn't know that. Well, apparently get jacked into the backfield is enough to be to get a tripping call on these too, so you know. I mean so. That was a that was a phantom tripping call on Gosnell.

32:48 So that's really three. If you want to add it, add that one in. So add that one in there. So three, the phantom tripping call, they all are fifteens. So what that scares me on this because the other seven were for 60 and you know they were procedurals. I think we have one offsides and those are the ones where Shelton's just talking about. We have to, we have to clean that up because you're not going to have the success rate of 90 having. You know, 60 plus yards or excuse me, 40 plus yards and procedural penalties because you're going to be first and 15. Oh well, instead of section and six, it's second and 11:00 because somebody jumped. So it's something I want to see cleaned up. I think we all want to see cleaned up because those are the ones you like. That's the ones that I will litter If I'm sitting here with my hat on in the man cave and we do, I throw it to the ground because it's like, just like, stop the stupid crap. Like, stop the dumb shit, you might as well throw the hat up because they throw the flags up because we jumping off sides. Yeah, I mean, you know, Curtis you're talking about, I mean, it ended up not being playing that much of A role this week. But I mean, you look back to the Marshall game with going from. 4th and one to keep the drive going to tie it to 4th and 6th and now you got a completely different mindset of what you need to do to get that first down and how pissed does it make you?

34:03 How piss does it make you that we run the 4th down play where we put drones on the center and right behind him and we just push him forward and he gains like 3 yards? We didn't do it again, but I'm no, but I'm saying if we don't jump off sides against Marshall, we can use that play, you know, and we can get a first down, but you jump off sides and you make it 4th and 6th. Totally different play. Yep. All right. Before we wrap it up, anything else of what went bad? Any of y'all want to point out, I will say this and it's something that he's they're going to have to correct and it's probably because of how much he's he's carrying the ball. I think Drones has fumbled in three games. I think he's fumbled three times or maybe lost three from. I got to go back and look, I know he's fumbled a couple times.

34:50 We got to, he's got to clean that up. You know, we, he don't want that stigma on him. I know he's carrying that ball a lot. Sooner or later we're going to have to not have him carry the ball 22 * a game. But we got to, we got to live with those fumbles because, you know, in a close game it'll come back and bite us. Yeah, the first game he had the the missed handoff. So what really like fumble, But I mean it was it was credited to him because of the exchange at the mesh point. But then, yeah, he did fumble. Against Marshall, you know, running the football and then obviously what was what happened in the backfield this week. It gets pits so you know got to clean up the fumbles. He's doing good. I don't think he's got one pick but you know as as the play caller man and and I think drones is doing an awesome job. Y'all know how I feel.

35:38 Y'all know how BCP feels about drones being Q B1 we. Have been only since April. Yeah, yeah. But him going forward and him taking that next step is going to be he's got to clean up the, got to clean up the turnovers. Well, all three of them are different though the the mesh point, you know. There's been no issues with the mesh since then, right? The run. It was how he was protecting the ball. I didn't see that Saturday night. When he ran, he was much more protected. What it was Saturday night was he was trembling, trying to get away and he was trying like a slipped out of his hand. So it's one of those. That's where the conversations got to be. Hey, listen. You've got to know when it's over and you just got to Chuck it over the head so but but the way I see it is we've had no more mess issues. He looked better protected the ball Saturday again it's like they're coaching to it.

36:26 He's taking it and he's put it in practice. So let's clean up the the other one, let's clean up the well. When you're getting pressured and you know and and there's a no win situation, you've got to get rid of it quicker. You can because at that point there were two guys on him. Yeah. And I was going to say it's a couple of times what he's what he's good at is also can be what the Achilles heel will be like. He's good. I think, I can't remember was it fourth, was it fourth quarter maybe third or fourth quarter the the the throw he made to Dequan, right. He's got people draped on him and he kind of jumps and throws the 30 yard pass and we get the first down to right. So my thing is like he, he has a knack for doing certain things, but the more and more he plays, he's going to have to see how he can do that.

37:20 Because it was a couple of times like when they got the intentional grounding call, like if he doesn't have just a little bit more arm on that ball, he had no receipt was around. That's a pick and that's a pick six, you know what I'm saying? Like that's a long, that is a long way to the sideline. So I know he he got a looking at him play man he looks so mature. He's such a young guy man and I just you know I want them to to get behind him and and keep developing him because he's special. You know I I I kind of thought it when I seen him and I seen some of those things that he could do. I was like, I think he'll fit, fit in good in this, in this offense, but you know just those things, if he tweaks those, you know, moving forward, I think that I think we got a star in our hands.

38:06 I. Think you're right? Take the ball, baby. Protected. All right, let's move on this one. That was obviously the bad. We still have things we are griping about because we're fans, because they ain't no none of y'all out there below that, because I know y'all great, but. Let's do this one next and I'm going to lead it off Anything that happened that we were not prepared for, and this is my biggie after the big Flameister touchdown pass after the fumble. Within 5 seconds, it goes from a three score lead to A1 score lead. And this is where I think you know people, The question Is it the right coaching staff? And this is when it kind of clicked on me. We do have a good coaching staff.

38:47 That whole team was calm. The entire team was calm. Offense, defense, everybody was just like, hey, this is all right, everybody take a breath. We've made a couple mistakes. We still got a lead. We're still playing well. I mean there have been times in the past where it wasn't like that. It was the old cascade effect, Brian, right? Rolling down bad just keeps happening. Bad just keeps happening. It didn't happen because after that, you know, after that fumble return, after the fumble return, just a few minutes later, we going to score again, we we take the 14 point lead back and it's just like okay. That made me feel good.

39:32 What about? You, Brian, I'd say the big thing there is that, you know, when we look at just speaking to your point, not only did they not panic, but the staff trusted the players to go out there and get it back, right, get that touchdown back and they did it. So that was big. My thing is, I didn't expect that much complimentary football and one football game. That's true. I wasn't expected. Yeah, that's true. Well, going back to two what what Curtis said when he talks about the calmness kind of starts with the head man, like when drones turns that ball over, which we've talked about other regimes that we probably know of would have got tight or even even even us. You know, we would have thought our coaches might have got tight.

40:22 But I've seen and and and we talked about it you know last week talking about wanting to see some you know some action from the coaches. I seen pride be lining over the to drones when he when he lost that ball and I'm like oh he's about to get in his ass. He didn't. He went over he put his head. You know I don't know what he said to him. He probably said you better go get it back. You know it's all right we still up. But whatever he said he made sure his young quarterback was calm enough to go out and run the offense. So Andrea I was wondering where you was at. I was about to get pissed, man, if you don't show up on a win, but but anyway, yeah, like like Curtis said, man, just the calmness of the team, you know, starting with the coach, then the quarterback, then everybody else. We just kept on.

41:08 We kept on grooving and then what Brian said, you know we had the we had the complimentary football throughout the throughout the game. You know, you kind of when when things went bad on offense, defense stepped up, you know what I'm saying? When they cut it. So when they cut the lead, defense went out and got a big stop. When they gave the ball back to the offense, the offense went and scored. Because there's been plenty of times when we get a, we get a, a, a, a turnover on the 10 yard line and have to kick a field goal. No, we punched it in. Yes, we did. Yes, we. So brings me to my point. I didn't think I was going to have to change my underwear as much as I did.

41:52 Yep, Yep. Man, it was bad. It was bad, man. Creaming all day. It was, it was so many good points in the game. It was so, you know, talk about the complimentary football, you talk about the calmness of the team, you talking about what the coaches did. It was just great to see a full game of competent football. You know what I'm saying? And and just to lay it out again my everybody knows my son plays travel baseball. So we're at the ball field place called Albertville this week, which is still in the in the country. It's a lot of country places and if we're playing baseball in Alabama, you're usually in the country. So I'm on the on the the group chat with the fellows and I'm just getting like late updates like no, but they're crazy too. It's like oh screenplay And then it's like, oh fuck. And then it's like, fuck the refs. And I'm like, like they're all out of order. So I don't know what's going on.

42:50 So I just got to put it down until I actually can call somebody or until I can go check the score, move around and find a spot. So it it was nerve racking to not be able to watch it while it was live. But it also was, you know, very like it. It was just, man, when you looked at the score and we were up, you know, 28 to 7 and then they come back and make it 2821 to 28, then we go up and take the lead, go to 3521. I'm like, we got a football team, yeah. We did shown. What about you? What surprised you Saturday night? I would say how efficient the passing game was. I mean, I didn't get to the stat yet, but you look at EPA per drop back, so that's expected points added.

43:37 Basically it converts yards into points. Tech ranked in the 99th percentile in in that stat. So they they averaged about what was I think 12 yards per drop back and that includes sacks. Obviously Tech did not give up a single sack and it also includes scramble runs. So they were they were super, super efficient in terms of the the dropout passing game, which I think was really, really helpful. They obviously generated some expensive plays. The the touchdown passed the lane where I think he kind of, you know, sat in that little underneath spot. Kind of drift away from the linebackers who who kind of cheated towards one side and then had a ton of running room. I think it was just it was just a really good efficient passing offense, which is pretty nice to see and I know drones great out really well on PFF too.

44:21 So kind of kind of backs up the eye test as well. He was just really smart with the, smart with the ball and make good decisions. Alrighty. Well, what can we do better moving forward? I know the one that we've kept on there is we. I think the way Brody Meadow plays, Brody Meadows needs to be starting somewhere on the line when he's got to be starting somewhere. I don't know where it is. I know where Brian wants him. As long as we get somebody off the right side of the line, I'm good at this point. And and and I think that happens and we're sitting here talking about it. Could we see it Florida State or wake? Me and Brian had a little sidebar conversation the other day boys. If it happens, it's going to be Syracuse.

45:02 Because they're going to have the big break, right? They're going to have their off week and then they're going to have prepping for Syracuse. I think that's the week if there's a change made. Unless they just say, you know what? Put the better guy on the right side. Yeah, but you'll get, you'll get at least two extra practices in that period there, so. Yeah, What else, Brian? I mean, let's continue stringing together these multiple quarters of complimentary football because say win game, I kind of like it. It wins games. It's nice. It's nice looking at A at A at a team that looks competent for four quarters in pretty much every phase. Like, I don't expect them to go out there and be perfect.

45:44 I don't think any of us expect them to go out there and play a perfect game, except maybe this week because that's what's needed to win. But we'll get to that after the break. True. True. Anything else? Tally well, Brian said. You know, playing competent but also playing confident. You know, knowing that you know your plays, you know, moving forward, knowing that the play call is going to work, knowing that you got the people in place to make the play. You know, if you watch Felton on that first pass, he's missed some. You know, he's still, of course he's he's not perfect, He's a human, but he's missed some balls that's been thrown to him. But when he caught that ball, you can see the excitement, like he's got it with two hands. He's about to squeeze the air out of it. Like he was so excited to catch the ball and get in the end zone and burn somebody.

46:30 Like, that's confidence, you know what I'm saying? You can see his confidence building just every week, you know, and then Lane getting back. I don't think Lane knew he was 100% until he caught that ball and and took off because I seen him on the sideline. Like, I always watch the game within the game. Like, I don't just watch the plays. I watch sideline stuff. I watch things that's going on between the plays, kind of offensive lineman talking to each other. But I seen Lane after he caught that pass, it was like he was talking maybe to the other one I received was and he was like I thought I was going to get caught. And you know what I'm saying? He kind of filled it in his hamstring. But he's, I don't think he's 100%, but I think he may be 90%. You know, I don't think he knew that until he he caught that and he turned it on so because he hit another gear when he got that ball. So you know we need that for us to to compete and win, but definitely to compete in this week. Confidence man.

47:26 Anything else we can do better moving forward? I would say the offensive line was still not great. I think when you look at some of our rushing numbers, it's it's a little bit misleading because we had a ton of big or I would say big, but we had a ton of chunk plays. But in terms of just like, you know, line yards, which is basically like yards that you contribute to offensive line play, it was not great and it has been great for most this year. No, I do think they're getting a little bit better. But there's definitely still some misassignments there. I think our running success had more to do with drones kind of making things happen as well as like I said getting the ball to the perimeter and having those wide receivers block. So I mean because they we had so many tosses to to you know, outside the outside the tackles that it was kind of hard to really attribute that too much to to the online play. I don't know what schematically they they looked at with Pitt, but like every single time they got the ball outside like we had numbers, we just, you know, it's just a matter of blocking it up, right.

48:20 I wish they did. So obviously a lot of work work to do with devs line, but at the very least the wide receiver blocking was was fantastic. So some good, some bad. Yeah, I think, I think Bowen is figuring out what the team as a whole, from an offensive standpoint does well in terms of the running game and what it what it doesn't do well is just line up and run between the tackles. Yeah. Can I say one thing though about that? He still keeps it honest because there were times he was just it would be Malachi or two, just like Y'all running inside zone. We're going to get about 3 yards. If y'all break one, we might get 5. You can't. You can't have those linebackers just flowing right off the bat, so you got to keep them on us. You got to keep them.

49:02 On us, but I think we figured out those like 5 or 6 running plays that we can get some positive yards on every time now and we're starting to figure that out and I think that's that's helped the offensive line in terms of the rushing game more than anything else and when you. Things like that make the lineman's job a little bit easier too, so the block's a little bit easier to get there. So you'll see the grades creep up a little bit because of that, too. Now there's still not we don't have any. Yeah, not not a lot of green on that sheet yet, but you know we're starting at least creeping to the yellow on some of those those PFF grades.

49:45 It's. It's going to be a slow go, but we are seeing some improvement and it's to me, it's been that way since Kyra Jones took out. I still sit here and y'all if we take a look at how we're rushing the ball, we are now, I think, let me see, 125, one to 300 to 500. We're averaging about 170. A game on the ground since Calvin Jones took over 170 is about 40th in the country Rushing the ball. That's that is a crazy a game. That's crazy. Crazy. Because you tell me right now, we're going to rush the ball in the Top 40. I'll take it every year. Every year you take it because you're going to get between somewhere between 170 and 180 a game.

50:27 People talk and you'll have people that say, well, you played this team on this team, what this and that. We played ODU and couldn't run the ball. Couldn't run the ball against the best 3 defensive We played tally. We've ran our best. We've ran our best against Rutgers, who's a good solid defense. Marshall, who might be the best G5 defense out there, and Pitt, who I said before was a top 15 ranked defense or who they play. Don't care. The numbers are the numbers. They played North Carolina. Kept them look at Ron's. Got a husband? I mean, West Virginia is about a slouch team right now. Look at their record all. Right boys, before we get to know the enemy, let's go take a break from our digital partners and Main Street Pharmacy. I can probably save you a lot of money and I can take a lot better care of you.

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52:52 No. We off. I don't know I might not need to watch this shit we're doing good with. Hey, watch this. Yeah, watch it. That don't matter. 330ABC at the doke. Let's start with the offense, as we always do. Brian. Let's talk about this scheme of Alex Atkins. Yeah, it's that that spread RPO's got a lot of Prostyle elements in it. They run a mostly 11 and 12 personnel, heavy dose of 11, but they'll occasionally go 12, especially in, you know those those running situations in terms of the running game, they like to get you a lot of outside zone encounter. They also use the quarterback a really good, good amount. You're going to see a heavy dose of Jordan Travis in this game. They like to use a lot of motion, get favorable matchups in the passing game, use that to confuse the the linebackers and in defensive lineman in terms of the gap responsibilities. So that's what to expect from the offense, yeah. And the first player we'll talk about is the one who's leading the charge, Jordan Travis, the quarterback giving a little background on him.

54:00 Listed as dual threat quarterback 62, about 185. He's from North Palm Beach, FL. So Florida boy went to the Benjamin school. Don't know a lot of people that have went there, but that's where he went to high school. Out of high school he was ranked about an 85 composite 3 star dual threat athlete. Looks like he was 800 and 89th in the nation back then. Out of high school he had, he had offers from Louisville where he committed to and went, but we'll get into that. Other big ones was Georgia, North Carolina, you know, then he had some small stuff like Rutgers or I say small stuff, but other smaller schools, Rutgers, Southern Miss, UCF. He did ended up, he did end up going to a committee and going to Louisville or he transferred to Florida State a year later. And I don't think he really needs the introduction on what he's been able to do at Florida State. He's been lighting it up.

55:15 I mean he can, he can run it. He can throw it right now just to give a couple of stats that he has just a second. Got it pulled up here. Couple of stats that he has, he's got 1028 yards passing this year, completion rate of about 61. He's got 10 touchdowns and one interception. So he's not turning the ball over a lot or hardly at all right now rushing the ball. He's carried the ball about 23 times. It says he's got 94 yards, 2 touchdowns. Brian, what you got on him? Yeah, I mean he's he's one of the better overall quarterbacks in the country at this point.

56:01 I'd probably put him at least in kind of that top five, definitely top ten in terms of quarterbacks in the country delivers a good and accurate ball, can really threaten you all over the field. We can throw a deep, pretty accurate in the intermediate game. Really good improvisation. Like I'd say, that's off the charts for him in terms of what he can do when a play breaks down. Whether that's running it or, you know, kind of throwing it off off the off the podium there a little bit. So elite rush stability doesn't run the ball a ton, but when he does, he's very effective with it and definitely the scariest player on that offense overall. Shown any sort of more deep statistics to talk about Jordan Travis with? I would say the biggest thing, obviously is just his experience.

56:50 I mean, he's been in college for six years. Now he has. 1010 career drop backs, obviously 5th year Forest State. He's gotten better join speaking every year if you look at just his grades and that's not necessarily just you know a reflection of his his actual play but you can tell the stats kind of back up you know how good he is. This one thing I did notice he has the fourth lowest adjusted completion percentage in the ACC. So for all of his accolades and honestly, you know he's got so many. Accuracy has not been necessarily, you would say, great. He also has the lowest percentage of pressures converted into sacks.

57:31 So basically what that means is when Florida State, even when Florida State gives up pressure, he does not get sacked. So that could be sort of a luck stat, but it could also be the fact that he's able to escape pressure pretty easily and, you know, can also move around a little bit. So take that for what it's worth. All righty. So there's Jordan Travis, obviously, I think it's the name every single person knows. I got a feeling just about every name we talk about here today, everybody's probably going to already know it and that makes the next guy very easy. That's Keyon Coleman. Keyon Coleman, 6 foot four, ��215 wide receiver, originally committed and playing for the Michigan State Spartans where he got some definitely some run last year before he came in the portal. His original He was a top 500 player, a consensus 4 star down there, and so far this year just that line straight up. 17 receptions, 256, six touchdowns tells me every 3rd ball that man catches, he's getting touchdowns. Brian, what are you selling on him? Yeah, I mean, the thing about with him, he he's, I think they're most dangerous overall wide receiver in terms of just scoring potential there.

58:45 Has the ability to beat you deep, but what he's really good at and what they've used a lot, he's a red zone threat. I'm good at using his body to position and high point. The ball went in the red area. You know, he's able to get get in the end zone very efficiently. All right, Sheldon, I know you've got some more deeper stats on him. What's some more deeper stats than just that? 17 for 256 and six touchdowns. Yeah. Give me a SEC. I'm. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put up right here. I know that the receivers have graded out pretty well. I'm. Just. Pulling it up. You're good. Well, coming out of college, let me just coming out of high school, He's from Louisiana, excuse me. Yeah, he's from Louisiana.

59:29 And I mean, when he came out, you talked about the offer list tally for, you know, Jordan, which is pretty solid. I mean, he went to Michigan State, but Baylor? Auburn. Georgia. Florida State originally had an offshore state. He was one of those who are like when Dion was there, was getting recruited by Jackson State. So it wasn't like he wasn't a known, he just went up north. Let's just not talk about actually held a Virginia Tech offer as well. So you know, to be a guy of where he is, where he was rated, you know, good player. We always look at offer sheets, right? And Shelton getting this stuff up and there's sometimes you sit here and wander like this guy's getting all these officer, all these programs.

1:00:13 How is he just barely a four stars? How is he is a three star? Especially if you look at Keon Cohen's body coming out, he was already like 6 foot ��495. That's the stuff I don't get. And I know some of it. You know, Brian and you and Shelton, we all talk about, well, some of it is they're just the best athlete on the field where they play. It's just there's no one else in there. So there's some people that are hesitant to give them a significant bump. And then sometimes it's just like, well, you know, he doesn't do anything great. He's not a crisp route runner. You know, he doesn't have a blazing speed. So it's just interesting to see that many offers but you know, not the high rating. Because the people who's given the ratings are essentially. Me, a guy sitting behind a computer doing nothing. I mean, the people who are going out and offering scholarships are people who know what an offense looks like, know what a player that they can develop and put into that offense. And you know, looking at a player and say, oh, I can use him to run Jet Sweep with, I can use him to, you know, beat the defense.

1:01:22 Like that's why you're getting offers and maybe you're not getting rankings, because the rankings sometimes just have to do with what camp should go to. And what amount of money you spend to get that ranking. So that's why those rankings sometimes are skewed. You good to go, Sheldon. Yeah, so nothing super eye popping about Coleman and just in terms of kind of the overall stats averages about 15 yards to catch 6 touchdowns. Like you said, the one thing he does really well is he is shorthanded. He does not have a single drop this year in 17 receptions. Name. That's pretty good, right? He's dropping one Saturday. Thank you.

1:02:04 Write it down OK. Well, you know how when somebody shoot. Well, you know how when somebody shooting free throws and then the the commentator goes and goes he hadn't missed the free throw in 99 attempts. He misses that next one. Thank you, Sheldon. We might. Get that up, it's. All record, it's all record. We're good. It's all record the first inside slant he runs with no safety over the top. He's going to break it. Watch. All right, let's go to his the opposite side of the field. Let's talk about Johnny Wilson. Johnny Wilson was a top 120 player coming out of high school. He is from Calabasas, CA. Class of 2020, originally committed to the Arizona State Sun Devils when her was over there.

1:02:46 So far this season, You know well the last couple seasons, I mean last season he went for almost 900 yards, 20 yards a reception, which is pretty good. And this year 303 yards on 16. No touchdowns though. So definitely you would think it's 6 foot seven, ��225.00 that he would be slightly more of a red zone target, but I guess not. But Siegler, what's the what's the tape? Why doesn't he have any touchdowns? He's kind of the classic big slot guy, like, you know, you see those big slot receivers matchup nightmares. He's that guy, but he's more of that guy in the in the between the 20s, right? He's not really a burner, but he's super shifty, moves really well for his size, use him on a lot of crossers, digs, seams. So they're getting him up the field. They're not using him.

1:03:44 On like fades or anything like that, even in the middle of the field. So you don't see that really called in the red zone either for him. He's he's definitely eats kind of in that intermediate middle of the of the offense. That's where they like to attack. And what do you got on him, Sheldon? Yeah, another solid player. Again, nothing super exceptional. Average is about 19 yards per catch, which is pretty good, and he also ranks 27th in the Power Five in terms of average depth of target, about 16 yards. So it did definitely a lot of downfield routes for him, Yeah, Makes sense when Brian says he looks at tape and sees those crossers, the digs in the seam, so that that that's pretty good to know that he is not going to be, I think when you're planning the defense, right?

1:04:29 OK, Wilson's not going to be up on the line. However you're going to play him, whether it be bracket, maybe a robber or take your Best, and maybe Jenkins. I mean, Brian could y'all see Jenkins cover him. Not all game, not all game. Like I said, he moves pretty well for a for a big guy. All righty, let's talk about the offensive line. Next Brian and I want to talk about one guy Cuz again in the era of the transfer portal, these stories like this are going to come up more and more and more and the highest graded offensive lineman has been Blessed Harris or the the highest for LSU and Clemson was blessed Harris. He's from New Orleans, LA.

1:05:16 He's from Saint Augustine. He was the class of 2018 so everybody do that 181920212223 sixth year. Y'all know where he played his ball for the first Four Seasons. Where Lamar. I know where Lamar is cuz I don't. Texas. Texas. Thank you, Shelton, with that. Only cuz I have no life but. Yeah. Hey, I know where some schools are, some schools I don't. But he played there for Four Seasons and then transfers to Florida State and is clearly tearing it up. But Brian, let's talk about the offensive line in general, not just Bless. What are you seeing from them?

1:06:00 Yeah, I mean I think the big thing is that they're a good offensive line, not a great offensive line. You would, you know, you think with Florida states on the class they brought in, they'd be a little bit more stacked. They're, they're good, not great. They occasionally struggle to get to the second level of the defense. So you'll, you know potentially you'll, you'll see more chunk plays from their running backs than necessarily those really big gainers, those explosive plays. It's going to be kind of the chunk plays like we saw against Pitt last week there was 8 to 12 yards consistently. That's where they kind of like eating eat in the in the running game is in that area have more success with the quarterback zone zone read keepers and they they they do occasionally get confused when you disguise the pressure. So that's some opportunity that we may have there. Getting in the backfield and getting after Jordan Travis. But as Shelton said that that still you know, doesn't mean that you're going to have success because Travis is very elusive in the backfield.

1:07:01 You're not going to get a lot of lot of sacks against him, even if you are getting in the backfield. So I know you told me you had some more stuff on this offensive line. What's the data telling us? Are they just an average offensive line with an exceptional eluding quarterback? I would say a little bit of both. They're definitely, I would say above average. So you look at Bless Harris, he has the best pass blocking grade in the ACC according to PFF. You got Darius Washington, the center slash right tackle. He's kind of been switched around a little bit, 0 pressures allowed and 68 pass rushing opportunities. So he's their highest credit OL. And then, you know, you've also got Maurice Smith at center. Who's been actually pretty lowly graded. He's come back from injury, missed a couple of games, Jeremiah buyers.

1:07:49 The right title has not been great. He's a UTEP transfer. So when you look at it, it's a little bit of a patchwork offensive line. Obviously the the big thing that Novell had to do when it came to FSU is is revamp that offensive line. That was just atrocious under under Taggart. I think that was the biggest reason that you saw Florida State, Conn struggle his first two years. Kind of like Coach Prize doing here at Virginia Tech now. It is a very, very hard position group to fix overnight. And so they're they've been kind of going through some growing pains. You take some guys from lower levels, try to fit them in. It's it's not always smooth. So it's definitely good offensive line. I would say you look at some of the passing stats there, 8th nationally in EPA on passing attempts.

1:08:30 So the pass protection has been good. Obviously Jordan, Travis has a lot to do with that. But overall, I would say it's definitely. It's definitely not off the line that you think you might get dominated by. I think Travis really kind of makes them, makes them click. That makes a lot of sense there. It makes a lot of sense there. I mean, and I think we will consider this is clearly the best offense we will set seen all season, the most dynamic offense we've seen all season. So as good as Chris Mark called last weekend, he's got to actually take it up a couple levels this weekend to keep us in this game. I don't think any of us will disagree with that. Now let's switch to defense and let's talk about the four three defense, Brian, who's it led by?

1:09:18 Yeah, we got defensive coordinator Adam Fuller. It's a it's a four, three. But they use a lot of hybrid players, especially the front seven there. They've got that that Fox DN position, that kind of stand up defensive end and then they use a hybrid linebacker. You know, we call our star this There's a stud. A stud linebacker. So that's what you can expect from this defense, you know, 4, three kind of standard. You mean you call, you call it a hybrid? It could be, you know, leaning to that 425 look, the way they use that stud linebacker. But yeah, it's not. It's not something that we haven't seen before. Alrighty. Yeah, when you talk about that Fox defensive end and also talk about the transfers coming from lower levels like we've been talking about, you got to throw the name Jared Verse in there. Jared Verse was a class of 2020 Nineteen guy and he played his ball at Albany before he transferred. That's in Albany.

1:10:20 Great Danes, that's. That's he plays. Curtis, do that one. He didn't even have a rating. Coming out of high school, there was no rating. It says. He had one offer, which was Albany coming out of high school, and he transferred to Florida State. Where he has been, and if you just look at the stats, his stats are not eye popping at all. I think he's got 11 tackles this year. He's got 11 tackles, half of a sack. Last year he had about 47 tackles and 9 sacks. The reason that his stats are not eye popping this year, it's kind of like we talked about before we came on. People are running away from him. Don't let them stats fool you.

1:11:06 If you go watch him on tape, he is very disruptive. Brian, what you got on Jared Burst? Yeah, he's that Fox DN. They use him to set the edge rush the pastor on the on the stunt looks usually in the stand up position. He will put his hand in the dirt though. Use him a lot to play games with the alvens of line and quarterback. Get them confused, getting them thinking, getting the quarterback speed up a little bit. I mean he's all about controlling the gap at the run game versus penetrating. He's not a guy that's going to, you know, fly out field or anything like that, but he's going to hold his gap play pretty, pretty sound technique and he's really good at really doing all those things.

1:11:47 Probably the best overall defensive player arguably in the conference. Like you said, he doesn't necessarily jump off of the stat sheet, but when he's on the field you you find him, he jumps off the off the tape real quick. Yeah, Boston College, when you looked at that game, they essentially had success running away from him, getting the ball outside of him, kind of taking away his ability to impact the running game. And they will occasionally use him in coverage. They'll call some some zone blitzes and he'll be out there in the flats or covering a guy one-on-one. So look for that as well and it's and it's funny because you know Tally, you talked about him being in Albany and again it's that it's the portal thing.

1:12:30 We keep talking about it, we keep talking about it, we keep harping on it. If you go look up right now, the NFL draft Jared verse is going to be taken really high next year, really high. So at all different levels there, these guys just waiting, go find them. And you know, obviously, I think with some of our coaches especially like the Lackawanna Connections and guys who have coached all over the country over their careers, we do have that opportunity. All right, Brian, I'm going to pitch it to you next. Let's talk about Kaylin Deloach, linebacker, 6 foot 226 pounds out of Savannah, GA and Allen's high school. Now he was an original commit to Florida State back in 2019 and a pretty highly rated, wasn't it, That was the top 247 player, Composite 91.

1:13:22 And I mean, look at his offer list, it's unreal. Florida State, Auburn, MI, Alabama, Clemson SC. I could go on and on and if you take a look at some of the guys that were his primary recruiters, Kevin Steele, Don Brown when he was a DC, Michigan. Pete Golden, the old DC Bama, Brent Venables at Clemson, they didn't put their trash on him. They put their number one guys to recruit this kid and Brian. Tell us a little bit more about Caitlin. Yeah. So he's going to be the second hybrid player on this defense. It's on this list that we're talking about right now. So he's the he's the stud linebacker primarily aligns to to the field side of the formation.

1:14:06 A typical you know run like a linebacker cover like a DB type build that you like to see. When he's on the nub side, he'll be in the box and. That likes to walk out on the wide receiver playing that field side and when he's lot, you know, wide, he becomes a fourth, fourth player in the defense and they use him a lot heavy and blitzes from that position. But also he's really good in coverage as well. And he's having himself a really good season, statistical wise, to 17 total tackles, 10 solo, 3 sacks and another tackle and 1/2 for loss, along with a forced fumble and a forced fumble return for a touchdown, 56 yards.

1:14:51 Tells you the kid is super athletic. All right, we're going to hit one more player on the defensive side of the ball, and that is a here Thomas the defensive back, another straight up Florida State player. And this kid is one of these elites. He's a class of 2022. He was a top 100 player. He rated at a 96. Same way you look at his offer list, it's all over the place. It's just about every school you can think of. He was a stud coming out of high school and obviously if we're mentioning it here, he's been in college for what, two years and he's already making a pretty big impact. Brian, what do you got to take about this 6 foot, 280 plus pound defensive back?

1:15:38 Yeah, he lines up as their field corner primarily. He's really the best cover corner on the team. There's really not a close comparison, Holds up really well in man, end zone, willing tackler, nothing to write home about. But you know he's not afraid to get his head in there and and and get guys down in the run game. Sometimes I'd say he's too reliant on his instincts, but when they pay off, he's in there making a big play, whether it's a breakup. Getting an interception, whatever it may be. He does a really good job of trusting his instincts and and making those type of plays very nice. Yeah, and you talk about the past breakups. He's already got four and four games this year, so he is definitely Johnny on the spot. Sheldon, you've got a couple data points you want to give about this defense in general.

1:16:25 What is some of the deeper data points telling us? Sure. So the biggest red flag for for the state they ranked 111th and Rush Defense EPA. So. They had a pretty porous rush defense overall. Now their past defense, which I'm looking at the numbers here, is much better. Their 21st and past defense, just the the EPA. So the analytical stuff. So run defense is good or excuse me, run defense is poor, Pass defense is very good. I think the biggest thing that stuck out to me when looking at Florida State, they are not elite at really anything, but they're pretty much good at everything. So I think that's to me that's a testament of coaching.

1:17:06 Like when you look across the board there's nothing that they really dominate but they're just consistently thought of almost every position group and every, every unit. It's just it's it's not it's a team that that just doesn't have a lot of holes. So and you can you can tell why they're so successful. They just, they just do everything pretty, pretty solid and that's why they're they're so tough to be. Yeah, in, in, in Shelton, you looked at some of the deeper data and I looked at some of the old school data. The yards are true. They are 95th in the country in total defense. They are giving up about 400 yards a game. And then you take a look at scoring defense, 52nd, 3rd down, conversion, 49th. That's middle of the pack.

1:17:49 There are two places they excel, though, that I consider excelling. It's in their top. They're in the top 20 Sachs per game, obviously. Jared Verse, you mentioned him there. Couple other good players and the other one is red Zone D They are in the top 20 in that they are giving up less touchdowns or they're giving up less red zone scores than by 11 out of 17. So that means you get down there, it's not guaranteed. And if you take a look at the sack numbers, it kind of makes sense also with the turnover numbers as well. All righty boys, we're going to get into the keys now and I'm going to pitch to each one of y'all because I think we are consensus on this. For the Hokies to win this game, it's going to have to be a perfect game.

1:18:33 Florida State is a elite. I mean, this year, an elite team. Do they have some flaws? Yeah, they do. So Tally, I'm going to pitch to you first. What is one of the Hokie key of the biggest Hokie key for you? For me, I'll say just getting drones in space. You know, letting him be himself, you know, get roll out the pocket RPO's, bootlegs, they're going to have to move that that pocket around because he's going to have pressure coming from everywhere. So that's going to be my biggest key. All right, Sheldon, what about you?

1:19:13 Man, I would say stay on schedule. Florida State is just again look at the numbers here. So they are actually not great defensively on 1st and 2nd down in terms of success rate. So if you can, you know stay ahead of the stakes, get them on 1st and 2nd, you know that'll set you up in a good spot. I think for me, you know people often talk about third down conversion percentage and well I do think it's a valuable stat. I think it's a lot, a lot of times disinterpreted. The the teams that the best teams, the best offices are the ones that are successful on 1st and 2nd down. It's not about third down. You want to avoid third down. You want to be successful on 1st and 2nd so you can set yourself up ideally for you know easier third downs. So that's one area where firstly struggles. I think if tech can, you know, get the running in going and and be successful in those really downs, they'll be in a pretty good spot.

1:20:10 Ron, what about you? Yeah, I think the big thing for me is forced turnovers against this team. If we can force them to turn the ball over, then I think that's going to set us up and put us in a good position. They haven't really turned the ball over that much all season. 3 total turnovers. I think we need to get two in this game to really have a chance to be competitive as we get down the stretch there in the in the fourth quarter so we can turn them over twice. We can put ourselves to be competitive towards the end. If not, it might be a long contest. It might be if that's the case, and I'm going to kind of piggyback, and this is both on the desensive side of this is on the defensive side of the ball as well. Keep them in front of you, keep them in front of you. They are obviously a big pass play team. You can see with Coleman's numbers, you can see with the averages, like Shelton talked about there with Johnny Wilson and where, how deep down the field he's catching the ball, you've got to force them to drive. It can't be one or two big plays and they're in scoring range. It's got to be 7-8 plays.

1:21:15 It's got to be 4 to 7 yards to play, not ten to 15. We've got to keep them in front of us. Now, you know, I also, you know here in Shelton talk about some of the stuff he's talked about too. And knowing that some of their data is they do have some struggles. How tough is it going to be? What are we going to have to do? Because I'm one of these. This is this goes back to the old days of Georgia Tech. I I I'd rather live by death from 1000 cuts and just get bludgeoned real quick. Give me some hope. Give me some hope. Keep the explosive plays away. All righty. What? We're going to have our predictions and let's talk big screeners, which is presented by Prize picks.

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1:22:39 When you sign up using our code BC Picks. Use the key R code right there on the screen if you can see it. If you're not watching YouTube and you're listening to our podcast, use BC Picks or go to boundarycornerbt.com back slash BT Picks. Last week, Brian and Tally did not have good weeks. Hang ahead and shame me and Shelton ended. I ain't had a good week all year. Brian 1/4 and 1, tally 1/4 and 1. Shelton leading last week for one and one and I was at 3, two and one. Brian put three. I thought we had to hook on the Louisville game, the half which would have gave us some wins, but Brian did not. So is what it is.

1:23:23 So. We'll talk talk you a little early. You did, you called it Tally. We'll start with you. What's your prediction on the hokey game? And you know, since we're doing a point spread, what's point spread for the hokey game run right now? 25 When we picked it was a. 2424 OK, so tally who wins, What's the score and do the hokeys cover? I got the I got the hokeys covering in this game, I think. I think I'm right at what, 404221? Something like that. I got the hokeys covering but. Florida State taking it if you go on money line. All right.

1:24:03 Brian, what about you? I'm right there with Tally. I've got the the Seminoles winning. I got the Hokies covering. I think it's going to be closer than a lot of people think. I think we're going to get a couple things that go our way. I think we're going to let let our nuts hang as a staff and as a team a little bit. Put it all out there. Because why not? It's FSU. But I think, I think it's going to be around A3828 win for the Seminoles. All right, tell them. What about you? Give me the Hokies. I just got a gut feel they might get a late touchdown back door cover.

1:24:43 I'll. I'll take the Hokies. All righty FSU winning, though, right? Or Hokies winning. Yeah. FSU winning. Yes. Yes. OK, OK. OK, I don't want people to be screaming at you next week. You said the hoagies are going to win like. We already had that week one guys. We had that week 1, All right, I am with y'all. I think FSU is going to win the game. I've got 4127, so I do have BT covered. I think it's going to be a more exciting game. I think it's going to be one of those games. We're going to the fourth quarter, We're going to be down like 10, maybe 14 and and they're going to put us away.

1:25:28 But we're going to probably spring back and get one additional score to make it look a little bit better than what it should be. This is like a litmus test game, right? You're playing one of the best teams in the country. You're playing in their house. How do you stack up? How do you stack up? I look forward to seeing it 3:30 on Saturday afternoon. And now we've got our big screeners, and I'm leaving this one off because it's always I'm not going to be able to see it because of course we've got baseball. But the Red River Shootout? Yes, the Red River Shootout. It's always be the Red River Shootout. Never The Red River Rivalry. Oklahoma, Texas, Texas, laying 6 1/2 points and I'm going Oklahoma 49.

1:26:14 Nothing last year. I think it's going to stick in Chris Venables head. I, Brian, didn't change that shit. I told you change that shit. Pay attention to the text messages. So Oklahoma plus 6 1/2. I called his ass out. I I forgot how bad last year was. I was. OK, OK, I must have looked at the wrong text man. I did see him sending that text. I thank you, Charlie. I sent Texas originally. I said you know what that blow out last year that don't sit right. Venables ain't gonna let them get blown out again. Oklahoma. It's all right. We we can tell you how I'm post editing. We'll take it out. Yeah. Who's got it next? Sheldon? No, no, no.

1:26:55 Excuse me, Tally, who you got in this? Game. You can move that Texas right over to my name cuz I got Texas. I got Texas winning and covered in that game. All right. What about you, Sheldon? Yeah give me Texas. I just I really like their team and they're they keep rising in the in the metrics. I just I'm I'm I'm loving Stark. So I'll take Texas. Well, apparently I went with Curtis unknowingly here because I I got the Sooners keeping this closer than I think a lot of people think. I think it's going to come down to one of those those last drive deals. I think they keep it close about a three-point win for Texas. So I think they end up, you know, winning it out, right? But oh, you going to keep it close there? Alrighty.

1:27:37 Well, let's next go to Louisville. I think Tally chose this game not only because it's going to be a good game, probably, but he's heading there in about a month. I'm not going anymore. What happened? I just got too much to do, man. And and and we was, and we was horrible at the beginning of the year. So I counseled my room and had to do some other stuff. We got $1600 just going to baseball for my son, for high school baseball. So I was like, yeah, we need to calm down a little bit. All right, well, tally, what you got here? Notre Dame laying 6 1/2 a home. Or excuse me, a road favorite. I got Notre Dame, man. I got Notre Dame winning this thing and covering again. I just, they played a lot of close games. But I just think that, you know, Louisville is they're going to catch up to Louisville on this one and and they're going to win.

1:28:27 And I say they went about about win about 10 points, something like that 10 point win there. Alrighty. Who next to Shelton who you got in this game? Yes, I will go Louisville. I think Notre Dame's coming off a very emotional win. They're going to have a little bit of let down. Give me the cards to cover. All righty. Who's next here? Brian, you are next on this one. It's got to be Notre Dame, man. You know, looking at this team, I, I, I know they played a couple close games, but I think Louisville got shown for what they were last week and I think we're going to see more of that this week. Notre Dame.

1:29:10 That right there. That right there is exactly why it's Notre Dame lay the six and a half. Louisville got shown a lot plumber came tumbling back to earth against NC State and if NC State had a decent quarterback, they would have beat them by multiple touchdowns. I think Notre Dame, yes, it was Sheldon, you're right. It was an emotional victory because it was a some crazy things that happened at the end of that game against Duke. But I think this is going to be 1 where for the first time all year Notre Dame isn't going to see an opposing defense like the likes of the way Dukes coached to be so fun, sound, sound fundamentally and nowhere near the talent that Ohio State has.

1:29:55 All right, who we got, Brian, you got the next one. You got Maryland and Ohio State. This is a massive line of Ohio State laying 20 points. Yeah, this is one that I couldn't wait to get on there. You know, Maryland's looks pretty good overall at this point in the season. Ohio State's been kind of up and down. That 20 just was a little too much for me. So give me Maryland to cover here. All righty. I'm on the opposite side of you. Give me the Buckeyes and lay the 20. I feel like a Maryland defense is going to be a get right game for Ohio State's offense. I mean, I know Ohio State will give up a few points here and there, but it's to me, it's good. The usual Maryland show, the first time they have a big competitor they're going to, they're going to wither up in the face of adversity.

1:30:47 So give me Ohio State tally, who you got on this one? We got two teams that I both hate, so I wish both of them could lose, but I'm going to take Maryland. I think Maryland's going to lose, but I don't think they're going to lose by more than 20 points. I think it may be a 14 point win for Ohio State. You know, somewhere around 1314 point win Alrighty, Sheldon. Given the Terps, I think they've got a really good offense. I love what Locksley's doing over there. He's got Josh Gaddis as his OC, who came over from Alabama and Miami. Really good, really good offensive mind. So I'll, I'll take Maryland. I just love their offense. Alrighty, there we go. We got a lot of three on ones, except for that Texas.

1:31:29 Oh, you game. Let's go to Shelton's game of the week. Shelton, you've got Alabama and Texas A and M Alabama, a small Rd. favorite at 2 1/2. Who do you got in this one? I'll take Alabama at Texas A and M without their starting quarterback Wegman, who got injured well, a little while back. I think Alabama's gonna come with somebody approved, so I will take a mad Nick Saban team anytime, Brian. Yeah, I'm going Bama here. They're still in desperation mode They they still haven't quite figured it all out. But I think with what what's going on at A and MI think they're going to get have just enough to to to cover that 2 1/2. We'll see.

1:32:11 I'd say about a six, six to seven point win for the Crimson Tide here. Yeah, I'm with y'all, I'm with y'all Bam. That's a small number to lay, especially with the A and M starting quarterback out and with A and M the only to me, they they play 2 good teams. They beat Auburn, which the way Auburn played against Georgia last week. I'm I'm still trying to figure out that game and they played Miami and they got boat race starting in the second quarter to the rest of the game. So Alabama covers. I think they win by like 10 plus. Tell them what about you? Yeah, I got Alabama, too. I think Alabama's got a similar I don't want to say so. They got a young quarterback, You know, they got a young quarterback that they got to run the right place for. Alabama fans have been so blessed to have Heisman Trophy after first round pick after Heisman Trophy. You know every year that they get a little bit adversity against a great Texas team, Man, Texas beat them about 10 points and they tried to change it up and then go back to their quarterback, which had a really good. Week last week, I think they're going to continue. They continue.

1:33:22 Put them in the position to to be successful. They're going to be, they're going to be hard to beat. Alrighty. So those are our four big screeners and the one we always throw in here just for fun. This week we're going down to Athens. Between the hedges. Georgia and Kentucky, both undefeated, both ranked in the top 20. Kentucky coming off they beat the absolute piss out of Florida. Yeah, they did. I mean, I walked in and turned that game on after baseball, and it's like 28, three. It's just like, I thought Florida's supposed to be good. Billy Napier getting fired this year. I'm gonna go ahead and make that right there. All right, Sheldon. No, Brian, lead us off here. I think it's Bama, or excuse me, Georgia 14 1/2. What you got?

1:34:08 I've got Kentucky covered this one. I think this is going to be a little bit closer than folks think. I think it's going to be about a 10 point game. I think Georgia is a very, very, very good team, but they're not a blow the doors off. A team is playing as well as Kentucky is right now. Type team yet I don't think they're that good but with it being in Athens I've I've got to give Georgia the benefit of the doubt. I think they win this game by about 17. I'll lay the 14 1/2 with Georgia tally. I'm going to go Kentucky, man, Georgia's been. Georgia's been a little suspect, man, with everybody they played. They kind of, you know, just been slipping by. So I think that Georgia, you know, it's going to be similar to the game they were, they played Auburn this week or last week, you know, going to be a late touchdown for the win for them.

1:35:01 So I think Georgia wins, but they don't cover. Georgia wins, they don't cover. Sheldon, what about you? Yes, give me Georgia. Kentucky coming off a big win last week. Georgia coming off a tough, close win. Last week as well. I think those fortunes are going to reverse. And I'm going to take the dogs. Big dogs. Big in Athens. Alrighty. Well, that is our big screeners for the week. Again, prize pics. Click the QR code so they can match. You go out, make yourself some money there, boys. Has anything, bro? Hey, look, just stay here Now. In 40 minutes. We did good tonight. We ready to roll?

1:35:44 There we go. It's always good podcasting after a a big win like that, so everything tastes better, everything sound better, it's. True, man. It's just good to get a win, man. It's good to get a win. And you know what? It's good to get a win like that, though. Oh yeah, it's it's the win like that. Because Tally's been mentioned in big losses, small losses, little wins, then big wins, well, we jumped up and we went big win 17 points. I mean there was a 14 point game out of the third quarter, only considered a blowout but went about 17 against anybody still good.

1:36:25 It could have been a blowout. We were this close to a blowout if we didn't had that 5 minute fuck up, five second fuck up. But yeah, it's always that good feeling. So anything else to add Shelton Tally, Brian? I'm just going to say like, like Curtis said last week, man, Coach had to let his nuts hang on somebody's face and I'm glad it was Nardooshi. So good job, coach. Yes, I did say that tally was the only one. To hang the nuts on the face, there was tea baggery in the BC. P Tell me last week, if we win, if we be far the state, I will post that clip everywhere. Curtis, you will be famous.

1:37:09 Listen, I already had like 3 people text me this week. Like did you say he's muffled somebody's face? Like, yes, I did. All right, well, that is going to wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast brought to you by the Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg. I am Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Siegler. Jonathan Talley. And I am Shelton Moss. Visit our website boundarycornerdt.com to listen to all of our episodes. Also check out the Merchandise Shop BCP podcast. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, subscribe to our YouTube. I know a lot of y'all. Listen, keep subscribing and coming back there all those podcast sources you can think of. Spotify, Amazon, Apple podcast.

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