Hokies Fail to Catch Tigers by the Tail

0:46 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with my partner. Brian Sigler. I'm Curtis Wilson, Brian. Do we play a perfect game? No, we did. We did not play a perfect game. It was not even close to a perfect game. It was a lot closer to our predictions though. So take that for what you will damn clothes diapers. Actions. If you know you don't fumble inside the tin one time you don't fumble inside. There are 15 one time. We're hell we're probably right on the number poke. Very true. Man. Hokies fall. Forty five to ten as all you listening. No you guys are informed pokefans for sure but you know 45:10 it is what it is.

1:38 You know, we're on spitball tonight. Guys, we got on about 45 minutes. It's ago, watching the game, started chatting, and we were talking about, we're going to feel Rundown. And we sat there, we chatted and buying just put in defense offense, what's next? We're spitballing here. So yes, my put we played a played, a will McAvoy there, throw out the rundown, the ramping, you know, what can you say? That's an elite team that we just played with one baby. The best Collegiate quarterbacks that's ever played with one of the best Collegiate running backs that ever played. Some good receivers when it some good Defenders with a great coaching staff.

2:25 And we're sitting here talking its third and four where the 45-yard line? And we were run. The playing Brian curses, fuck. Man in pain pain pain. That's it a lot of pain. Well that was kind of indicative of the night. This is the this is another classic 2020 Hokies football game.

3:07 Ladies and gentlemen, where for 1/2, you had one side of the team that played pretty damn well in the The other side just didn't make enough plays and then in the second half, the wheels fell off and a one score game turns into a four score game and that's what it is. And we've become accustomed to seeing that consistently from this team this year. I mean, he went out there, you're 17 ten-and-a-half had a chance to potentially tie it going into half and got too conservative and then almost got lucky and sticking one in but it came up inches short and then you know, just the complete second have dud that we all saw coming but hope wouldn't happen.

4:01 Well we didn't see it coming up michelina me and Brian some other folks that we talked with have arguments because I was fine with the conservative called 55 seconds, three time outs with Clemson, we fuck up there. It we're going to be down 14 and we talked about managing emotions. I mean times, especially the last two years, have we seen when we go down this team fucking crumble, and that's why I was fine with it, it sucked people. I felt like, into me my vantage, it looked like someone had Eames arm when he didn't reach out for it. People said he just didn't reach out. But aren't you talk Brian? As a football player if it's here, you've got to protect his Instinct over. Sorry I was fine with what we did you want and I was not some other people that argue with me and I mean, you know, is what it is, but you can say why you were not. You're down.

4:56 One scored a Clemson before halftime at a chance, to be tied with Clemson going into halftime from a mindset perspective, being tied against a team, ranked as high as Clemson. Feels a whole lot better than coming up, six inches short, because you got too damn conservative with a minute. In a change. To start the drive, you got to be aggressive, you're not up if you were up. Sure, take the conservative route. Make sure they don't have a chance to score again before. Half-time. You're down. You're not playing for anything. Take a damn risk. Roll the dice. Hey, Bravo defense.

5:39 Doing we came out though? I mean they came out there, would they get a stop? And then you know deep as first have to, if you told me the way they played, And I would have been shocked. That was, by far the first half. And parts of the early second half was the best Jake and his called a game. The guys played great. We tackle pretty good. Brian, we tackled a whole lot better than I expected against the team's good at not getting tackled. Who played we played leverage. Well, we gave up the big chunks. We said it here, we set it here just a few days ago. They're going to get chunks.

6:25 Try to stop those come from being touchdowns. We did, first big chunk of the night was the fourth play of the game. Now we stopped it and then we held to a field goal, which was like the biggest victory. Yeah. They that that set the tone for the first half and until that last Drive, where they took the the lead, it kind of felt like We felt confident in the way we were playing. Yeah, that well. And that was important at that point in the game. And then, you know, you had one touchdown, then you start getting in your in your mind a little bit and I will say something else. What happens to brag or Nelson's brain when he reaches the opponent's 35-yard line?

7:11 Nobody fucking knows, dude, what happens? It's like, I have no idea what like, that's something you can't cure. No, it's not. That's it. Does it all the time? All the time, all the time, and it's better inside the 10. He, the third, it's the 35 to the 10 where he is not awful in the words of Gilbert Godfrey and one of your favorite, he's a moron. Ron. He's a moron. You know what he is? He's a moron. I mean, 35 a couple times and it was, you know, that's that's reasonable distance for Brian Johnson. It's three.

7:59 It's a tentacle reform and we were doing these idiotic things or not. Any, I like things sometimes. How about predictable If predictable and bad. Let's pussy foot behind the line of scrimmage with the play that we usually call. Yeah, that was another one. And then all of a sudden, you know, your it second and 14 or third and 15 and I'm going to say. So I've been up and down on this player a lot. But this player had a bad game today that's Brock Hoffman and not not between the whistles rock. Often had a Game once the whistle blew Brock Hoffman was not doing what I said and that is controlling your emotions and playing within the game, the hero, he controlling 0, he is asking and she waited. Yeah.

8:54 I mean you know it's bad we were like yeah he's playing so bad. We're gonna put it in there. We're gonna roll We Roll roll that, that snapping Dice. And we're going to say, we'll take a couple snaps over over quarterbacks head over. You know, bonehead play, we're losing 15 yards anyway, we might as well lose it within the. Whistles is true man. It's true and it's one of those things where you know, what he brings with the nastiness he brings the edge which is great but too many time and it seems like too many times we're in scoring situations. Where we're driving the ball. It's been happening. Yeah, we get a good play on on, on what third down or second out second.

9:37 And it was In were already in field goal range and we get a good play on second down and then you get it backed up 15 yards. So instead of a third and two, you're at you know, third and 20 for something like, what are you doing, man? Just Play the game you need to play. Like you're not gaining an edge. If you do stuff after the whistle, you gain an edge by everything. You do, within the whistle, what, then the whistle till the echo of the whistle. Yeah. The stuff that happened, the day that the play was over. He just launched himself and it was just like, what are you doing? Yeah, they took the quarterback to the ground but that's their job. It's not like you were engaged.

10:18 It's not like them. It was 10 seconds after and they throw a shoulder on Braixen laying down. The play was Rover. The guy was within his right to do what he did and you go in there and you let his shoulder and it went from like, was it? Like you would have been, like, third one, I've been wanting. And then, of course, third and 20, let's go back to the play. Calling in third and 20 is slightly, we need to take a shot. We're not within, well, not with in field goal range because at that point out, it would've been like a 60-yard, ER, but it's like, okay. You would probably straight run a screen run, something where you can get, maybe five or ten regardless, if what do we do? Was it?

11:09 Yeah yeah it was it was another quarterback run and so a lot of those tonight so a lot of those from three different quarterbacks tonight or back the way we were before we got on the Tweet went out. That Hendon hooker could not get warm when he got into the, he went back out there, the second he was not right, he was not right when he took Took that snap know, in my personal opinion, he should have been on the field. I'm I don't, I don't know what what the words were exchanged. In terms of him conveying stuff to the staff, but if he was dealing with that, to that degree, he should not have been on the field, not at all.

11:59 And that's all there is, you know, before we take your point malpractice. Because if he really was, if he was really feeling like that, you don't put him out there because that could mean so anything that could mean your logical things. That can mean he's coming down with the flu. That could mean so many bad things in it, kind of started early. Because with that, that weird now, where he worried fumbled it, he looked like his brain and his body weren't communicating. No, they weren't there's something going on, so Where's up for him from, you know, you know, for all of us. Again, these guys are playing a rough game, we pull for the players, 100%. I still think whomever the coach is next year, if Hendon is healthy.

12:51 Henan is a viable Division. 1 starting quarterback in a very good one. He's been putting from Bad situations this year. Absolutely. And I, you know, I think he's a guy that if we wanted to see him take some of those next steps. We had talked about before the season. He probably needed a full offseason something. I'm sure that that's working against him. The stuff would go with to start the season in him not getting as many practices, worked against him and then just some of the play calls and some of the the fact that he's having a tote The ball a lot more than you probably should have it takes a toll on you, man. And, you know, I don't know if any of that has anything to do with what's going on with him tonight.

13:35 But, you know, regardless of that, I like any hooker. He's my quarterback. So, That's all. I'll say on that one. If he's our quarterback, so not skating tonight knocks with some glitter on, they had a couple good throws have one that almost hit Blackshear up. The sidelines like just leave that a little more in bounds man. That was, that was a look like a little wheel route from the slot by Blackshear. Got behind the corner back there. Safety came over little late there, but the ball just wasn't quite where it needs to be venables. I'll it into the corner. Back on that one. I do. Know if you saw that he would Rob yet but he was he was living on.

14:19 That would meet lost his shit on that. It's pretty funny. But with knocks, you know, three-star guy. You know who won back-to-back state titles? After Trevor Lawrence graduated in that division, was it? Nine x? Mark 8mm, got it wrong, shout out, shout out hambone. You got guys that are in a couple guys that have some of that. Yeah, that that insight there.

15:01 So shout-out hambone love you buddy, haven't seen you in a while so we got to get together sometime soon. Yeah man. Let's talk about Blackshear. Oh do you want to talk about bikes here mr. Hundred-plus, Sakai Blackshear finally use them right. But you got excited. Finally. I was like, where was this eight weeks ago? Nine weeks ago? Like, you know, we've been saying all year, you know, this guy's an offensive weapon. This guy's an offensive weapon, stop using him as a spell back. This guy's an offensive weapon. He's not a between the tackles Runner, use him, use him, use them, not like that.

15:41 Yuzu the right way. And we finally get a little taste of it tonight, man. We can really use some of that the previous nine games. Damn, right? We could have, and still, is we been at wide receiver? All year, you telling me A guy with that type of talent, couldn't have done a little something for us. You shake your head at that man has been discussed about what Jerry kill said about bread or Nielsen. He can't read film that. I think it's broken proves it. Take your fucking proves it. Look at you.

16:21 When you looked at the Rutgers, take bribe, this is starting last February. We started this podcast, when he committed after he committed, and you got to look at it, you're like me this offense, he can do this and do that. Oh my God, this is great. This is a perfect weapon for this offense and it literally just took them nine weeks in a game single way. It's a kill nine games and your had to get him involved. Well, I'm here's what happened, but when they sent you the tape and kills like, well just use these seven plays you, he'll he'll probably get 100 yards.

17:08 Which is juice hurt. If you didn't did you see it earlier this week? Like there were some number five back. Yeah. And I mean that that that that's probably a good I'd say somewhere between three and five would be where I put him. If he'd had a full season, been healthy all year. When I mean he'd be, he'd be 1200. I'd say, I'd say, 14, I'd say more, I'm saying, I'm not back. I'm saying at this point, not even counting what he's going to get against UVA. I think he's at least at 12:00, if he plays both of those games and he, because he had very limited stamps in one game and sat out completely the other.

17:50 So it's true. The other thing about using you saw it tonight against an elite team with a very good front for an elite back in. His patient. He waits for the holes couple times, he made a couple issues getting back and he got back to the line. Luckily, his patient, but there are a couple thousand venables would send those Blitz. Has his pass protection. He knew what he needed to do. He got his body? There, he threw the shoulder, he's not to go offline. Forcing the ball downfield, especially on that plate of Taylor Robinson, where kavion they sort of blew their coverage and TV. Honoring the perfect right now. Behind the guy, the blitzes, Coming you saw juicer, stir that right shoulder like the guy completely offline, the fire down the field, huge Gainer. He's not coming back so go ahead and put that Chris and aerosol had a nickname like they did not put him back in. Thank God.

18:44 Yep. Almost fiord aerosol. If their assault on play against UVA? I don't care. He shouldn't I guys, made his money. You didn't see his side too much tonight. You saw him wipe out some of the better defensive lineman on that Crimson Demon. They are good. Owning them. Only now he is a first-round pick what I will say. Ron. Yep, I wouldn't mind my team taking him. We got Trent we might mcglinchey is looking more like a like if he slipped down inside of me a lot better his past Pro is just not that good but he would make a nasty guard at 68. I take a look you know 20 I mean I wouldn't mind taking him either future left tackle for us as well because our guy, He's getting up there too.

19:48 Yeah, you know, so I feel bad for those guys at that, they're going out this way. I'm hoping that we can circle the wagons a little bit and get the damn Commonwealth cut back because I just, I haven't seen this team play four quarters well enough where I'm even confident at that at this point. That's true, mom. I mean the only game we play four quarters. What was the first? The NC State game with guys not there. So you know, just let's do this. Why is it changing the Hajj been used all year? His Ralph been look complicated tonight but they were very effective.

20:37 Yeah. I mean, I like what he did tonight, he catch after I think having what like, one or two Targets all year and no catches. Finally, finally got some targets, got some catches out of them, look good with the ball in his hands. Wish we would have gotten him more involved a lot earlier in the season, could have really helped with some of the depth issues. We had it wide receiver could have kept guys like Trey Turner more healthy. As we were going through the year but you know here we are. It was a the fifth and you know, we finally get get some catches for the young man, so good for him for making the most out of the opportunities.

21:23 He was given today. Ferris had a couple of catches as well. There's had 11. Okay, they went three for 22 combined but you've always He's talked about what our offense. What with really helps. It are those five, six, seven, easy passes. The two balls, they call were easy. They weren't genuine wretches, but you've always, you have always mentioned, those type passes, the linebacker, everything starts spreading. When you start doing that the linebackers, go out, the safeties, go out and when you get guys like juice or the Braxtons quarterback, or hinton's quarterback when those when that starts spreading, it's a lot more room to go. But we also when you got to make linebackers and safeties and nickel Corners have To move towards the sidelines and not towards the middle of the field or upfield to get penetration in the Run game.

22:26 It opens so much of the other stuff up. And you know, when safety start creeping, you can kill them over the top with double moves. You can hit them over the top of play-action. So there's just so much other stuff that can open up. If you can work those, the play action when you can work, the short passing game and I'm just Frustrating watching our inability to set some of the stuff up or we can really take those shots when they will help us. What's but it's even more cooperating that what we see on the offense. It's and we've said this a couple times, we said it numerous times this year. It's the same thing, it is the same thing. And I've said it to Brown enough set it on here numerous time, this type of offense, with who we can get recruiting wise right now.

23:19 It's so effective, it's so effective. Dip in the thing is, if you had the right person, pulling the trigger on plays, even with trays, a 4-star henin's before star, Does nesters before star James, Mitchell's is a four-star, right? Ten years for four stars, the rest are three stars or two stars. We should be putting up 40 points a game even against a team like Clemson useless, move the ball at times today. That's what's frustrating. That's what's important to us, as fans. We can't have the execution flaws that we had tonight and you can't have the bad play calls that kill drives that are moving well.

24:10 I mean, we had, I mean, it was just, it was a comedy of errors between the bad calls, the post, whistle Miss Hughes, and the times we put the ball on the turf tonight, like it was just a comedy of errors, and You know, I'm not saying that it would have made the game close enough where we would have had a shot at the end, but it would have at least cover the damn spread, so that would have that would have been something to talk about even if it was a loss. So, you know, you lost out on that by just ineptitude on offense and the, the plays are there, it's the preparation for the team that you're playing and then the calls themselves especially in in certain areas the field or certain times of the game both we've been saying this for now we and these were things we were seeing last year before we started this podcast. So what really gets you is After 2018, let's go back, let's reverse back a couple years ago.

25:24 If the moves are made correctly in the right, people are put in place. It comes in a couple weeks. I don't. So you're saying if we would have hired a proper offensive coordinator, two years ago, we'd be reloading, instead of treading water and put him in potentially drowning here. In terms of the, the head coach, we be making a Bose. Listen, if we can fucking Hanks and Beyond, we need to fucking hitting 70 on because they don't become a problem. Mmm. But he doesn't have to worry about what we have to worry about now, is where do we go? Got some news on that front.

26:06 That just hit the pike, what hit? Well Napier is heading back to you. LL and sources are saying I / Bruce fellman that Shane Beamers going to be named the next head coach at South Carolina that hurts but yeah. But for Shane, because as I'm looking at the Oklahoma Baylor game, that game is 27-7. Oklahoma should have scored a lot more points in it. Did what this tells me is Shane bhima who did an interview this week. Because remember, in my red Stoops came in for a couple of days to help out Shane Boomer, doing a hell of a lot more than just special teams, coordinating and coaching the tight ends sounds like he might be running practices. Running Scout teams.

26:57 And shit like that because they struggled struggled, I was keeping an eye on their game, as the, our game, kind of waned on, they struggled until the last couple drives here. Yeah. And I mean, you hate it. I know that chain Beamer is been a lightning rod within the fan base, even though I think a lot of folks have kind of warmed up to the idea of Shane, regardless of how they feel about some of the things that they were apprehensive about before, especially with everything. We've got going on with covid and with having to potentially get rid of a coach during Covid.

27:41 I think there was a lot to be excited about if if Shane Beamer was the guy but now we move on, you know, we'll see if if sounds like Napier's holding out maybe for another position potentially in the SEC Auburn. So you know we move kind of unfortunately down the list. I think that was probably two of our top three or four guys in the on the list. So there's probably two more out there that are high candidates and maybe one or two that are fallbacks. If you feel like you absolutely have to get rid of Flint a at this point, which I feel like that's, I think we're in agreement. You have to get rid of Flint a at this point. Well, again, Optics be damned.

28:28 We talked about this on Thursday night. Listen Friday. Yeah. Who should we go, handcuffed? To Something in Lane Stadium right now. Yeah, let's keep the Tony Pony around. Let's keep telling me how you, let's just back up a Brinks truck. That's your, hey mr. Elliot, let's have a little chat real quick here. You run a damn fine offense there, sir. All right, let's be realistic. Go, let's go again. Tonight, we lose its best game of the year. The offense does the same old shit just different day. But now that we're seeing the news breaking, you know, life to us, and y'all are going to see this, but I'm Brian drops this out on Monday morning.

29:15 Change. You want to South Carolina? Now for Shane, hold on a second. I need to send that message to my cousin, who's a South Carolina alumni. Yep, it's 11:30. It is that should be up here. We see in this shit right now that girl, is that go make him happy or not. You see a shame guy. I don't know how he is. He graduated 88-89 there. So clearly this is the best are those Ferrer was the best are football. He's seen. But I have a question though. If you say Shane goes there, they fired muschamp. Right is Shane, this is what I want to ask is Shane putting himself in.

30:01 Never getting another head coach position after this because they've got Georgia. They've got Florida Tennessee's, always sleep in Kentucky's decent, they'll beat Vandy every year. They should be Missouri every year. Yep. It'll be interesting to see what happens there man. You know, a lot of its going to depend on what what fan expectations are for this team and how much, how much rope they're going to give the next tab because I mean, obviously muschamp didn't get the job done and that that's even with probably slightly lower expectations than the what they had during the Spurrier area. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. I mean, I think for the most part I think the that fan base to still be in the potential conversation to play in the SEC Championship game, if it's after, you know, November 15th, if they, if they still are not mathematically eliminated from that most years, they'll be happy to get to one. So they're going to be Gordon Georgia every three years both. I'm in the same year, at least one of them and let them eat themselves on the other side.

31:20 I'm even if you're if even if they skirted on a tiebreaker man, but I don't know what you say that you're going to be one of them but then when you the year they finally do with the play Alabama and get squirrel. Stop. Absolutely. They will die but I think that fan base is Happy enough just just being invited. Until they aren't until they are but that's going to depend on how much they ratchet up expectations based on those wins. So, if Shane's out Healy Napier, I think they for years, waiting for Gus to get fire, that's my gut of guts because I think Napier what he likes to do and he sees what Gus has there. That's need him to fire because I walk in and win nine out of ten games of first year and make them happy. Wait, freeze.

32:12 I think's going to Tennessee Pruitt. I think you've done although some people say well prove give me another year. You know this this crap happening. All right. All right. Give me another year. All the people that think you should keep one tear another year. Keep another year. Let me throw these two names. Let me throw this name at you. If your wit right now you see Shane's gone or / bruised Feldman You called fickle up and say it's yours and whatever you want. I mean fickle, I think was going to be one of the top two or three candidates regardless.

32:52 So I mean, you certainly do everything you can at this point, knowing your other probably two to four, top candidates are are no longer in play. You go ahead and say, we'll do whatever we can do and and and have that interview and have those discussions and see what comes of that. You know, beyond that, I mean we've named some other guys that we said, we'd be okay with if if though if some of the top names weren't the guy, you know, we had mention, guys like Grantham. We have mentioned guys, like Chad well, we have mention Healy, we had mention Marcus Freeman. So, I mean all those guys are still potential candidates out there.

33:42 You are varying degrees of how you feel about them, obviously, but, you know, just because those two were gone, doesn't mean that we're, you know, we're out of the hunt here so that was forward on that front. Anybody that out there. It says well I don't want to be - or I don't want to be - heart fuck that because right now you are about to lose more people. I do not want to see Stadium next year at 50,000, I do not want to see it where Brian me and you want to go. Yeah, ten bucks. Let's go. I don't want to see that. And I said that third yet, so that a couple times I don't want to see that. I want to you to be the hardest tickets in the state of Virginia to find. Yeah and if you keep in there it's going to happen and I don't care in what way she makes all these changes. What if he makes two changes yeah I'm going to tell you something.

34:35 I mean covid aside. The rosters not going to get any better in the near future than it was this year. Nope. So if this is what we're getting with this roster, we need to do some different. We have two, you talking about this processor and if people say, well, they didn't have the office tonight. Nobody had an off season. Nobody had spring. Yeah. So what the same nobody had this stuff. So either you're saying you're making excuses for the coaches. Not doing well right now, but everybody else obviously was doing well enough at some point where they're not having these same problems. So it's still circling back to the coach in some way, shape, or form here. It's true man.

35:20 And then, if you just go ahead and just look around the ACC right now. I mean, take a look at the ACC Braun and just the ACC So, you know, we can we can just look around. Miami with a brand new offensive coordinator 7 and 1. NC State would what seemed like a lame duck coach with new defensive. Coaches is 73. Boston College with a brand new coaching staff. Mr. Kovitch last American today. Five and five, UVA is 4 and 4/5. And for now wake is essentially.

36:07 Sorry somehow this gave me something weird. Wake is four and three pits five and five. We're down here on the bottom half with Georgia Tech rule evil Florida State. You can Syracuse. That won't cut it. I mean, I would have, I was going to be disappointed if we didn't at least least win seven games this year. So obviously Count Me In the very disappointed, very, very disappointed. I was thinking we had the potential to win eight or nine games on the schedule. So, You know, at some point, coaches have to be accountable here, not preparing the team properly to win. Obviously players are accountable but we know they're accountable there on the field.

36:56 We see, we see their mistakes. We see that we see the coaching mistakes to though. In some point you can't just, you can't get rid of the players. So what are you going to do? Get rid of the damn coaches? Yeah. something something's going on, something's going on and I can't I can't imagine the that level of not having that level of awareness to see that he wasn't ready to be the player. He needed to be like you're putting him out there where he could potentially get hurt and that, that's not good. No, it's not that at all.

38:14 What else here, Alabama, just snatched up living shit out of LSU tonight. 55:17. They can you imagine like, kocho would be gone if he hadn't won a national championship last year?

39:14 You know, I'm dealing with it, but catch me, catch me back. 10 days from now, if he isn't fired, I'll be mad again. Because clear with you, here's the thing. With putting his neck on the line, if he keeps them. I think also, if we was going to keep him, I think would have made, it would have said, something by now, because you try to get out in front of it, right? I think he would have definitely wanted to at least good or bad. I think he would want to set the expectations of the fanbase if that's what was coming. Does that make sense?

40:07 Let's do it. He's gone. We see though, I mean, let's just run through. I see, tickle has a good high. I see Freeman as a good hire, see Napier's, a good hire. He'll know, if they pure means, just at this point because there haven't been an official channels yet that he's staying with the Raging Cajuns for now or if he means that he was only interested in the South Carolina job this season and if you didn't get that, he was going back. Wow. So obviously Motel on that one because obviously, South Carolina can openly interview for the for the job right now.

40:49 Whereas we are not in that capacity. So for me, it from any official front that that's going to be, you know, what the word is. So hopefully he's still a potential higher on the list, but we shall see. yeah, I think maybe you're still a potential again, I think Napier, you know, Again, I think it's a win for Oliver if they fired us. All right, I'll take Gus. Would you? I don't think you'd come but I've got mixed emotions on Gus.

41:30 I like Gus but man Do you have? And if he were to come and say baby Virginia Tech, I mean Virginia Tech's. The better job. Vandy plays in the in the SEC then your step biggest steps. Don't job you go in there and you wouldn't seven or eight games. You're like Franklin did.

42:15 I think Franco hit mom one year. Yeah, but every other coach goes to die there literally. You either go to die rich. You're stepping stone to the to the Blue Blood jobby. There's no in between I'm always to a point. I've said this to a couple guys. I might even set it to you vanity. Just needs to go to hire one of the service Academy coaches them on a triple option. That's the only chance they have to be five to seven wins. Every year is to run a monkey ass often. That literally is you're getting enough good athletes in enough smart players to where you probably could win five to seven every year, occasionally, break eight, because playing a team.

42:58 Like, we're going to wiggle the play South Carolina, dude, they got four days to prepare for this shit. It's true, man. The only thing I will say, is that for a team like that, that pretty much even best-case scenario knows they're not winning their their division of the conference. They like the Evan flow. They like the uncertainty. They like the, I don't think they like losing, but I think they like the chance of having something nice happen. Like a James Franklin, come to them. And they upset a team or two, once once or twice. Whereas, I think if you do something like the triple option, you'll probably beat the teams that aren't good enough to overcome that, but you're still probably going to lose to every good team on your schedule.

43:42 They would be they have a chance to be Kentucky every Year that have a chance to be South Carolina, every year, very every year, and depending on who it is, they would have a chance to catch Florida, or Georgia every five years, they would probably have a chance to catch Tennessee, every third year. I'm missing one team in the East there they are. The other team in the East and who they're playing in the west are. If you're not playing Alabama, you plan on the Mississippi schools, you catch them. If you play in Arkansas, you can catch in. I'm telling this Orna, like, but for them, it's more.

44:22 It depends on if they want to be just a good mid-tier team or if they want to. I feel like I said, I think they more they if they're going to take, do something like that. They want to shoot for the moon where they can actually do something big, so they're going for more Splash and then hope it works out versus something like steady Eddie. Play play, good defense, control the ball with the triple option, make people not be able to properly play defense against you, because they're having to worry about getting cut and have to worry about who's got the damn ball.

45:04 It's true man. And you know I'm trying to find it here. Hold on, let me just find it quote that I like What is it? Darth Vader, I will not fight for you and you will meet your destiny with a destiny quote. This is your destiny. Vanderbilt you won't. But what you could do is be that thorny teen like fucking Georgia Tech was Georgia Tech out of lucky there in the ACC.

45:45 But you imagine every like fifth year or every tenth year with a triple option offense, Georgia has a bad game offense. Italy. And they would you like twenty eight, twenty fourth. It's true. Vanderbilt has to look at what they've really built more Servants of our South Carolina. You know, I think whatever what does. And I know something, whoever we hire people are going to be pissed. They are they're going to be for fun people, wanting to change regardless they want to change. I think a lot of Reason folks working on the same train one, I think people knew of a recognizable figure who has a good personality, the money is going to come in. If nothing else. for one day has reflected that we're behind in recruiting We'll have any analytics of the overall of the personal development staff itself. I'm in the paper coaches 15 years ago. We were not 15 years ago.

46:55 We had fourth highest paid tokens that we were if we weren't what par with the blue blood or just underneath them and Facilities, we were that way and I'll pick up like that. Just on them. We will definitely we have to try to get back there. And I think right now you want to see an influx of donations in the next 18 months. Months, 24 months, you hire somebody, you hire somebody with a charismatic personality you hire a CEO. We try the x's in there and it stayed status quo and again no harm to who their Conformity is a person. I think they screwed up by not hiring a good enough, PR director by saying have to coat, no one to become make it work.

47:45 The conversation would be good to you in the writers behind closed doors. That's the one you want to take to the donors. Yeah, you have to have that what, when he gets to his comfort zone and talking about his family and talking about football, and talking about his guys, He relaxes when he gets when he has to talk about the business of football. You know I'd talk about tight asshole. He gets a tight asshole. I mean it just seems like he doesn't that doesn't translate for him. He just wants to coach football and that's fine for a coordinator. That's fine for position coach. That's not fun for a head coach and I've been that's not necessarily knocking him as a person. That's just saying that's a limitation, he has and that's a limitation that's going to hold us back. If he remains our head coach, His truth. And, you know, and that's a limitation, the other limitation we mentioned before he, he won't let go of her guys. And I think what's going to take him, if he's going to have to take the full step down to understand this, there's a business.

48:52 Don't hire friends, hire people that can coach hire people that you want, go of, you know, it is what it is. So man we've been talking I think about 45 minutes now. We're so I mean we're watching some football that crowbar after dark. I'm sipping on a breaking Bach which for those who have already near them, go get this beer. It is probably one of the best box I've had and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a lot of your other brands. Yeah, I had to turn you on to that. I was like, I was walking through all the others like, okay, this is kind of a knockoff brand, but it's priced, right, I'll take a look at it, don't, but what do we talk about the other night with it? Don't let the oh this is all Hebron. No, this is brewed out of Wisconsin. If anything they know how to do in Wisconsin, they know how to make cheese and how to brew beer. You see if you see a Wisconsin Brewing Company on any beer, At it's probably a good beer, simple times from Trader, Joe's. I think it's 399 of six-packs 749 for a case before 12-pack, well, worth the price.

50:07 I'm with you, buddy. I mean, there's there's a lot out there. So try them out and see what you like, guys, I'm not trying to push push the beer thing and just saying he's drinking it. I've drink it. Go drink it. I will also I'm going to I'm going to self-promote here. I'm a hams guy when it comes to just like easy sipping something domestic. That's my go-to. That's my go-to. Curtis said Janessa yeah they're cheap. Yeah heat but jeunesse easy simple times hands are cheap. But well pasted beers It doesn't taste like sometimes when you get the cheap shit, the real cheap shit.

50:55 It's like okay well I'm drinking, beer flavored water. Now this actually has some taste to, it's got somebody to it but you know, it doesn't doesn't fill you up like some of the, the heavier craft beers do and it's cheap. So let me ask this right now. Let's get back to football real quick and we got into our beer discussion because you know, clearly we've been having a few today tonight. We are looking two weeks from tonight. We're watching the ACC Championship. We might come on for an episode. We might not. Justin Fuente has been fired. If Shane is gone, if what Feldman is reporting is going to happen.

51:36 Who do you want to see? Stepping up to the podium the week, after Christmas? Because I'll put it at that the week after Christmas. 28th. 29th. Who do you want to be stuck to the podium? At this point, knowing the stuff that is potentially went down tonight. I prefer fickle I'm going to go Marcus Freeman. It's not sexy but I think I think it's a good hire. I prefer I in a perfect world would be Tony yelling. Yeah, but I just I don't know what that's going to look like. Yeah, if you told me, perfect world, it would be Tony right now, too.

52:20 I'm kind of with you. I think you get free me a chance. I think he gave a 34-year old as chance. I think you give a guy who played an elite University, who's turned out some good positions, who played in the NFL, who from what it seems and what you read, he has a damn charismatic personality because fickle doesn't There's one thing about people you kind of look at him on the sidelines. He gets a little hot-headed but fickle I think he could do it. I think Freeman has the personality. And I mean doesn't have much to pull a coaching staff from, but sometimes maybe that's what you need. Maybe need somebody who hasn't stopped at me. Play that will go out and find me. Best professionals with the you know who job with him versus hiring, his buddies?

53:16 yeah Mommy I wish I could see that working out for us, you know, it's A guy that at this point hasn't made enough long contacts with people where he had, they're willing to sacrifice their own job, to make sure somebody else keeps one. Because, I mean that, I feel like in a lot of ways, that's what Justin Fuente is, done with a Virginia Tech here with, with core Nelson, with some of the other guys. So, you know, I'm not saying that if we had gotten a proper offensive coordinator, everything would be sunshine and rainbows, but I don't think we'd be losing to the Liberties of the world. I don't think we get blown out by pit. I don't think we let the second half of tonight happen, the way it happened.

54:05 So That that's just where I am. I think that this University and this team could benefit from the Boost the honeymoon period that comes with having a new head coach, both, from a donation standpoint fan engagement standpoint, some of that would help Bowie recruiting to a point. So, you know, that that's something that might be good for us. Kind of just get some new blood in here and get some excitement back around this team. Even if it's, you know, on a wing and a prayer at this point and based on you know promises and not necessarily on something that we know is concrete so we'll see what happens in the next you know, 10 days or so hopefully by December 15th will have some words and shortly after that will.

55:03 Maybe have a have a special episode for you guys to talk about that. So we'll see how it goes. Things are in the work for that. Braun and me and you were working behind the scene. Yeah, we will tease that a little bit more later. This is this is the the first Little Bread crumb for you folks. Yeah, might have a special guest. Hey Brian, let's look through our games today. Let's start last night. You got it, right? I got it wrong. Although everybody roasted Billy Napier for taking the safety. Can I say? I think he was right, when you have a son that you can't snap a damn punt. Take the safety because if he's poor You know what? It was it was a ballsy call.

55:58 It was big, big time. Big nut move because If that team goes down there and scores and you have to take that game into overtime, you're going to kick your own ass for the next hundred days. What we win? Yeah, well yeah okay missed there were going to. They would they would have went to the OT but looking at it here app, state had scored one touchdown makes for two touchdowns all game. At that point in time, they had only 290 yards of offense. IE made the right call.

56:42 Okay. Again, I I didn't dislike the call given the situation especially since it had already happened to him once in the game and a couple other staffs have been not good, my grave on you. So you won that one. I did, I'll take it the cuse and Irish that look like. That was going to be enough said early ends up the cues star sucking again, which is not a shot Irish.

57:23 Almost cover it, but they don't, I take those. I was that close if they hadn't played that way the whole game. Damn it. Oh well well BC sneakily hides that they're starting running back and starting quarterback will not play until game time so we got jacked on that one, although UVA. But their backup torch them to appoint, you know, obviously be seized defense is a work in progress, with half legally, we scored 40 on on them. We didn't look great that night. Brian the Georgia Tech thing happens, right? But get Wednesday are hey Miami happens, right? We both get wins there.

58:14 Indiana has shown that. They probably got their coaching next 10 years today. It's true. I mean it's almost a Frank Beamer store guy who he goes and coaches, 20-plus years. Elsewhere, Frank. It was close to 15. He comes back home, they did good last year, they're doing great this year. They pull the upset in Madison. Maybe I should have looked at Michael penix, tore, his ACL, I would have went Indiana like a dumbass Baylor covers the 22 and Coastal covers the tenant wins out, right? I'm almost shocked that after Jamie Chadwell pulls that when that they announced that they're going to hire shame. You thought they'd wait a little bit and see what. Well, he just get Jed will live.

59:11 Whoa, whoa. I mean shit, it's almost one of those things. Now, we're with chatter. Well, it's like hell, even if you told me at his age, well, they're going to hire crowd. Well, cool. I'd be great with that. You know, no Tennessee played in Tennessee, you know, basically been now in South Carolina, last 16 years coaching, I mean, shit. Who are those guys if he don't get hired this year and he has another good season next year. He's going to get fired, say would make you but Napier I thinking yeah, I'll say if he's waiting us out.

59:52 Maybe there's about to go 11, and 1, or 10 or 11. Yeah, we're going to I think you'll get hired. All right, Brian what else is out there that we might be missing scrolling home? I'm not seeing anything major a lot of debate over since the Shane news dropped, who the next candidate should be. So that's going to be, I'm sure a fun fun. Next, 10 days is we kind of start speculating on that and see what happens with with, with Coach Fuente here, with potentially getting giving the can Brown, do you care about integrity?

1:00:39 Integrity. Okay. Yeah. What if I told you we could win 10 to 12 games every year, would you care about integrity? You talking with Dad Integrity? I'm a little more flexible on that level of Integrity. I thought you were talking about personal accountability. Might drop a bag or two, you know? if I thought we weren't going to get like a multi-year bulb and I'd let it ride. Let the dice roll there and I don't hate to hire me.

1:01:21 The guy that's going to get players in here and he's a guy that's going to be able to coach him up on offense. So he catches a assault, man on offense and he usually puts guys good enough on the defensive side to at least get pressure on the quarterback. So If we can do those two things that's going to result in a pretty good amount of wins and well he's always been chummy. So he'll go talk to the donors. You'll talk to anyone man. He'll coach from a hospital bed. You know, there's no nail to break and let's wrap it up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast.

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