HIST 401: Offensive Greats Carved in Hokie Stone

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Welcome back to the boundary
Corner podcast.

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As you know, I am Curtis Wilson
and along with my partner, Brad

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Siegel, what's up?
How you doing, buddy?

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All dude, living the life, man.
Having a cold one, there you go

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there, you know, enjoying some
little down time with the kids.

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We were playing Sonic and Mario
at the Winter Olympic Games.

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You go day.
Yeah, dude, we don't have the

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switch but we have We and those
games are so fun with kids

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about, you know, wide and Jack's
age and our kids age, and just

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had a blast doing with that over
the weekend, man.

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Did a fancy take out, we, we did
take out from toast off.

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Three Chinese food.
You went up to him, we would

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Baby back ribs.
I'll definitely do it and then

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just too because it's been a
long week for Mama and Daddy.

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Jalapeno Margaritas, there you
go.

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Delicious.
So yeah.

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Pretty awesome.
And some good weather played out

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with the kids, but Brian you
sent me some pics, I guess being

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cooped up in the house for close
to 30 days.

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You just had to get out, uh,
look a little pilgrimage with

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the family took a day off from
work.

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You know, I'm working from home,
but I took a day off for Mexico,

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moved.
Be plugged into my computer for

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a day.
So we're like, you know, we've

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driven around Mechanicsville,
went to the cable battlefields

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and just kind of got out of the
house a little bit.

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A few times we were like let's
change it up.

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Lets you know take a three-hour
trip to Blacksburg walk around,

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walk around Lane, walk around
the drill field, walk around the

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duck pond you know, get some
fresh air but in a in the The

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mecca as it is.
So, you know, we took the trip

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those.
My son's first time and in

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Blacksburg you get a hit a ball.
So it was a good time.

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Awesome.
And I know you told me that the

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one weird thing was, especially,
you know, me and you'd be in

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undergrads going to Tech and,
you know, seeing our friends,

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the drill field.
You.

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Every time you walk by, your
Camp is always a ton of people

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out there.
You told me like the area Spain

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was was when you went by there.
And it was yeah, the go to the

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drill field.
Phil and seeing like 30 people

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and like ten of those were, you
know, like the guardian crew

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working on the mulching and
Mowing and stuff like that.

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I was like, oh, this is a little
little odd.

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Little, I'm not used to this
like the most people, there were

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actually I think seniors from
the 2020 class coming back to

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take senior portraits around
campus.

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Nice, where do you hope your
house?

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Get the hell away by?
No, yes sir.

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Got a burger 81.
A one Burger, can't go wrong.

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Cannot go wrong with that man.
Well it sounds like we both ate

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very well this weekend and you
definitely had an adventure and

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you know it's crazy things going
on but we're still we're still

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looking at alive, still living
our lives.

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Like he said, we we kept social
distance for everybody but we

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just felt like we needed to
change the scenery for a little

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bit.
So Blacksburg was hey dude with

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one Kids, you know, I wouldn't
even dare attempt that because

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it would be like a bomb going
off at some point driving down

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81 on the way back or they're so
good for you, too.

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Good for you.
All right, so man, we have had a

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lot of things.
Kind of been going down in the

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Hokie Nation this week on man.
I'm going to start off straight

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out with you Bryan Justice.
Reed committing yes sir.

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The big boy, the big boy rumored
for a while.

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All he was the top transfer
player in the country by most

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defensive end he played at
Youngstown State.

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Last year, got 12 and a half
sacks in the SES level guy had a

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crazy journey.
I know you've just kind of

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reading up on him, we knew who
he was but getting more details.

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The two major injuries early in
his career when he was down in

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Florida, just started to for
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Be granted that tells you right
there.

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The level of caliber player that
he is that your You don't get

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her started to play defense of
Florida for nothing.

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Exactly.
And he got that rare seventh

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year of Eligibility and will be
for the Hokies you know, tells a

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lot about what?
Potentially tapped her on the

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Justin Hammer looking for in
defensive end 63 to 70.

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This is matching the trend you,
this is matching.

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The trend we've seen with longer
and bigger defensive ends, but

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also guys that have speed can
get off the edge.

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So it looks like we're moving
away as per some of those Quick

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Gap, hitters and more of these
big long guys they can get

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around the edge but also are
long and can get separation for

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the running game as well.
So yeah, I had a chance to look

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a little bit of this tape from
Youngstown.

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So you know what you're seeing
as I've already said already.

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I mean, we're talking about a
long and fast player but he's a

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seasoned player.
He's got multiple pass rush

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moves he can speed rush, you can
rip, he can swim he's got a Spin

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Hill bulrush.
He's got the dumb enough size

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and strength to bull rush here.
So I'll be I like what I'm

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seeing from him.
He uses his hands.

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Well knocks down lyman's hands
and pass for pass rush.

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He does a great job of bringing
his hands and creating

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separation from Lyman when he's
trying to shed the Block in the

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running game.
The thing I like to see is he

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looks like he's a smart player
to, which is important.

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I think so.
You know, when there's a tackle

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pulling, he read that quickly
got into hip-hop.

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Pocket took the path to the
running back as you stated, I

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mean he had two major injuries
early in his career.

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So I mean there's always going
to be a potential Health

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question mark just because of
the that history.

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But I mean I like what I see
because like I said, he trusts

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his eyes and with his reads and
he does a really good job of

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making plays in the, in the pass
game.

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But also he's going to guess the
Russia's, well, he doesn't

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doesn't get eaten by blocks so
that's important.

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Absolutely.
Do you feel that you feel?

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He's weeks out our strong side.
Just looking at the tape in.

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Is it going to be?
Is it going to be him with

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Belmar him with gar?
But how do you feel if when we

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roll out Liberty you know five
months from now who's who is, is

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he opposite of someone?
Or she rotating him I think he's

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going to be opposite, Garbutt.
I think Belmar is going to be

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the odd man out in this case, in
terms of the first two out

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there.
Now I think you're still Gonna

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get heavy doses of Belmar but I
think really is really good as

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kind of take over that role and
make it his own and Belmar is

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probably going to come in there
either as in a spell role or

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just to kind of switch up the
looks.

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Okay.
And like I said we've got some

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other guys coming into that are
that are younger that might be

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pushing for some of this time as
well but in terms of the first

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three guys out there, I think
you're going to see reading

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garbett and then Belmar is going
to be the guy that's working in.

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Nice.
All right.

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Well you know is as nice as that
was a few days before that.

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We got one on the outside then
we got one on the inside big

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Pious.
Martin out of Jacksonville,

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Arkansas, degree tackle, 63 318
pounds number three, ranked

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recruit in that state.
Number 27, defensive tackle in

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the country at three star in
potentially, I think this kids

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going to make it to a four-star
before he signs that line

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because of what Did at the 24/7
combine where he got one of the,

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all combine team honors Braun.
You looked at some of this tape.

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What is it, what's, what's the
impressive part?

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And what can we look to probably
clean up a little bit?

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The big thing is, he's got a
quick first step for a guy, his

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size.
He's, he gets in the whole

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shoots, the Gap with quickness.
He's going to give a lot of

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people, a lot of problems, just
because of that combination of

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quickness and size.
That's going to be a big, big

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problem for centers and guards
to handle.

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So I like that about him.
He doesn't give a lot of ground,

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he's double team from what I can
see on tape.

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He does have a couple areas
where I'd like to see him and

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prove with his senior year
particularly playing lower.

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Its, you know, it's common for a
guy that big with that size and

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frame, you know, bending at the
hips and staying low.

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So he'll need to work on that
hip flexibility and just a keep

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Lower center of gravity and I'd
like to see your maybe uses arms

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and hands better to create
separation in the running game.

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But he does a really good job of
just getting in the Gap and

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creating havoc and redirecting
the running back and making the

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quarterback have to make a
decision because he can't step

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up nice and Brian.
It's telling us more and more as

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we look at how we recruited
defensive tackle.

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I mean, we've said this in some
episodes before we're trying to

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get big.
Yeah, and it's One of those

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things where when I hear you say
some of that stuff and how we're

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recruiting linebackers.
And you know, you take a look at

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like will Johnson is probably
going to pay their whipper

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outside linebacker.
He's a smaller guy, probably

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going to play somewhere around
to 15 to 20 but it's almost like

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well the goal isn't like the
gaps anymore.

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The goal is we're going to clog
and it's almost going to be

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where it used to be spilled.
Two lanes it's going to be no we

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want to spill out there that's
going to specific Lanes anymore.

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We're spilling outside because
we're going to be so big up

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front.
That's the gold.

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So it's great to see man.
Let's move on dude.

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I sent you the article.
I know you've read it, we're on

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the verge of potential free
agency in football and

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basketball at the Collegiate
level, the one-time weight,

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transfer waiver.
It looks like that on for 20,

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for the NCAA is going to have
the meeting according to Kindle

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Rogers at D1 base.
If all.com with the vote

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probably happening in, May the
rule in general, just grants a

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one-time.
No, sit out for every sport.

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Brian, give me just a, from a
guy who played collegiately, you

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know, you've had friends that
played a levels guys, you

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coached.
What's your take?

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The just this in general, just
in general.

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What do you think it is?
I mean, I think we saw this

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coming when we started with the
transfer portal and we started

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with a little More of a
loosening of that in terms of

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player flexibility, this is,
this is just taking this a step

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further with not penalizing a
kid for wanting to transfer

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before their, they obtain their
degree from whatever their

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initial institution is or unless
there's a coach or, you know, if

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they get a waiver, whether a
coach leaves, or there's a

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medical situation or whatever it
is, you know, this kind of takes

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those waivers out of play for a
lot of these kids because now,

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you know, as long as it's within
within grounds, they can go

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ahead and make them.
Move.

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Now, for some players that might
still be in their interest to

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still try to go, the waiver
route, if they would apply just

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because it gives them
flexibility in the future to use

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their one time the one time, you
know, down the road, if they so

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desire, but I think it's good
for players in terms of

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Institutions.
I think in the short term, it's

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probably beneficial to us
because now we don't have to sit

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and wait, mrs.
Hester weather-ready, blacks

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year is going to be eligible for
the 2020 season because y'all

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know I hate this kid up since I
heard that he was coming to play

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for the Hokies so that, that
will take some of that suspense

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out of the game.
Like, we had with Brock last

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year, waiting and waiting, and
then getting bad news and then

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waiting for the appeal and then
getting more bad news.

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So, That'll that'll take a lot
of that out of it.

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Especially last year.
Brock was a big, a big kid and

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we were excited to get him on
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I think just like that, this
year, we're excited to get

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Graham last year on the field
and see what he can do.

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So not having to jump through
those Hoops is going to be nice

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long term, you know?
I'm not sure, I think as a fan

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base, we've had positive and
negative responses to how the

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transfer portal is has treated
the Hokies, I think.

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Year.
One was rough.

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I think you're too.
Has been better other than the

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potential miscommunication with
what you fou said.

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After, whether whether the guys
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back.
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year to is went a lot better.
So we'll see what the future

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holds, but I think in the short
term, it's a win for us and long

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term.
We'll see.

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I mean everybody else is Is
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So it's all going to be kind of
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depending on, you know, where
these guys are and where they're

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trying to head to see now.
So I think where we are

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currently in the pecking order
of, you know, NCAA football, I

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think it's beneficial either way
for us because, you know, you

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think about some of the guys, we
go after five-star, we miss on

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the high fours that go to Ohio,
state, Alabama.

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Well, they're probably still
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those Almost half the out to
say, wait a second.

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I don't like it here.
Well, these guys sold me.

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They promised the, the
Mercedes-Benz and oh yeah.

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Yeah, they're nothing.
Like they acted on the road,

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man.
I hate this, but it's also gone.

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Also open up doors for guys,
slightly lower than us.

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Your two stars who are at a
lower school, who said, I'm not

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getting the looks well.
You know what?

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We got the ACC, we have great
fan base as we Oil.

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So it's almost like, could we go
start pecking?

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Those kids, I do think we need
to get the recruiting department

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growing for this simple reason.
You got to have a couple guys

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kind of to me looking at okay.
Who are some of these smaller

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guys who probably if it would
benefit from coming to a power 5

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school?
Who have power Five Guys who

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were sold the Mercedes but given
the pinto who's not happy with

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their situation.
And I think we're in that spot

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right now.
We're kind of beneficial because

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we're in that, you know, 20 to
30 range where we're competing

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but we're not getting you know,
10 5 Stars every year.

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So I like the way it shapes up
for the Hokies.

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Now talked to me in two or three
years, I could be like that.

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Yeah, these kids just transfer
your whatever, I'm with you on

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all.
But with you on one thing

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Because I think from a just a
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we're in a really good spot
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Blue Blood.
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But we've still got enough cloud
and for Katie's where once guys

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are here, they kind of want to
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They're not looking to jump up.
So I mean there's there's going

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to be a couple maybe here or
there but that's going to be few

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and far between.
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So we're looking at.
Maybe you guys want to step down

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a little bit because they're not
seeing the playing time because

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they're behind 2 or 3 5 Star
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Clemson is recruited.
And then, you know, like you

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said, you know, guys like
justice read that maybe were

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journeyman or had some
situations that cause them to

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play at a lower level looking at
step up as they close things

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out.
So I definitely think it can

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benefit us well in both
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I'm just hoping that, you know,
we Only end up with a situation

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where guys come to play forest
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Look pretty good and all of a
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So we'll see how that goes.
Well, that's true.

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But you also got to think with
the big dogs, you know, they're

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always getting the five-star so
if you you know your attack and

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you're doing well I want to go
to state.

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Well dude, do you realize, you
know, that's that's eleven five

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stars coming in for at your
physician and we're not trying

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to say much but sometimes if the
certain guys there they get a

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little differentiated with
treatment.

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Some don't some do it's going to
be a special case and with that

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I don't think that's going to
be.

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Yeah, be widespread just because
there's just from a Blueblood

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perspective, I don't think
there's gonna be a lot of offers

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for that level of talent that
late in the cycle because

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they're going to want to see how
their recruiting class shakes

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out before they start looking at
some of these transfers where as

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we're kind of building those
transfers into our recruiting

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cycle, I go a little bit more
because it helps us fill out our

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roster a little bit better.
Absolutely.

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All right, Brian, my name is
Oleg, wrote an article in the

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Roanoke Times concerning behind
Willis, and the Duke game.

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And you texted me and said, you
have something to say, I have

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some feelings about this feeling
feeling, so, do we need to go

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ahead and put the E on this up?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.
All right.

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So this whole thing with, With I
was injured but I was battling

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through it and I was trying to
make myself, you know, there for

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the team, but I'll probably end
up hurting the team.

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Is pretty much bullshit because
At that point, he knew if he

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didn't play in that game, he was
good while he picked and he

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didn't want to get while he
pimped.

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So that's what happened.
That's the long and short of it.

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Anything else is kind of
bullshit.

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All due respect to Willis in
this case.

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But that's, that's a, that's an
explanation.

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After the fact that wasn't into
me.

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That wasn't the situation.
We were drowning a little bit

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before Duke, we were definitely
drowning after dude, and he was

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worried about getting Wild.
And he did, he did,

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unfortunately, for us freaking
Duke happened and it makes me

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angry as a fan when I read that
article.

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Because remember, that was, that
was about yeah.

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Going to that game.
It freaking, we walk out of

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Furman and we know he's hurt
significantly and then gets to

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start that kidding.
It's not one week of practice.

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He gets two full weeks of
practice to and where it really

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irritates me as a fan is.
Is you make the point of being

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Wally pipp?
That is what it is, but you

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don't sacrifice your team like
he did.

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Well, yeah, that's why.
That's why it hurt me and hurt.

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The, the article her be worried
it came off older than than that

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like I was trying to fight
through this for the team.

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Like know you were trying to
fight through this.

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So you didn't get while Egypt,
you were trying to keep your job

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and it's you it wasn't like this
was a minor ailment if you had a

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shoulder injury and you have a
significant foot injury knowing

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that part of our offense are off
some of these Zone reads where

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you got to shoot together you
get Take off, you didn't look

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right in that game.
So I know people feel like need

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you and a few people texted me
but it just irritates me because

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if you take the projection of
our season we're two and one

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going into that game you give
him in those two weeks.

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He showed the Miami game he was
ready.

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He goes to probably the Duke
game and I know we got our asses

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smack that night.
I know we did but I think that

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games completely different
because you saw the next week

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with a confidence.
Those guys play with hooker we

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probably win that game in the
seasons of different story.

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Virginia game doesn't matter
because we were in the coastal

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regardless, what happens there?
So it irritates me from a

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hindsight fan perspective
because you know, we talked

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about that was an honor 1020.
Yeah, that wasn't honor 10.

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When Team without Ron Willis, we
don't lose BC.

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We don't lose Duke and maybe
it's hinders development.

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We don't lose UVA.
Yeah.

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So.
All right, I'm going to end my

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rant Aaron in with something,
but, hey, this guy, Got the

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reply from the coach, what it
further, what you mean?

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What if we throw at you?
So first of all, I think one of

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foods, like maybe his jokey
pieces is if he sees a famous

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artist he will like you saw the
prince Drake thing, right?

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Yeah.
So there's a picture of Angus

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Young and anyone that knows hard
rock music.

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You know, Angus Young.
What what is he tweet out?

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That's Axl Rose right with the
like, what the goo Fe emoji on

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the inside.
I just hit up and I said, hey,

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coach Appetite for Destruction
or use your illusion and he pops

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back like, two minutes later
Appetite for Destruction.

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But I always try to whistle
patients.

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Boom in and patience is a great
song, The whistling, it is

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tough.
I do.

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Wonder if Axl Rose did that with
one take but it was just like if

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again it's a different side of
our coach, he's popping

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answering people and it was just
kind of cool to see that I've

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got the Pain.
So yeah, like, yeah, and

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appetite is as you know, from
being a jack, malar, Miss Guns,

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and Roses fan.
I'm a huge one as well.

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That is that, that is the best
album cover to cover their.

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Oh, yeah.
And I mean, what I love about

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that album is that it's the top
selling debut album of all time

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and for the first eight months,
no one paid any attention.

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No one paid any attention but
then they went on tour with

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Aerosmith and all of a sudden
then album sales started

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climbing it's like oh okay this
I need to buy that album.

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Okay so literally favorite cut
from the album man mr.

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Brown stone.
Yeah, you we put in drunken

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conversation, you always say
that.

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I'm always Paradise City.
I don't know why, probably,

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because of the road, I lived on
as a, as a kid and, you know,

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just just stuck with me.
All right.

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So folks, we've been kind of
typing it up this week.

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We are having a two-part series
of the Hokey Mount Rushmore this

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week.
We are starting with the

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offense.
It's we did ourselves a favor

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made it a little bit easier by
starting with the offense.

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Yes, if not, we would still be
in delegation changer, probably

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discussing the offense but we
will I will say this.

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The four guys you here today for
me and Brian.

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These are unanimous.
Yes, I think we had a slight

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different order, but these are
the four guys, but we want to

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give some love to the honorable
mentions.

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One of my honorable mentions did
not make the list.

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Jump on great offensive, lime
and All-American and FL.

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And you know, I get it, I get
it.

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But you know, I want at least
throw that out there.

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Jim was right there on the cusp
for me.

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He did not make the top four
now, Bryan with you, I believe

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both of yours or here, right?
Yeah.

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Both of yours.
Oh yeah.

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Alright, so the modern world,
both of them made honor amended

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all the to that.
I had honorable mention are both

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in the honorable mention
category for us.

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So we had we decided we wanted
to have two, honorable mentions

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and my two were were five and
six and Curtis has, I think

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we're with five and seven or six
and seven.

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So yes, I'm like that.
Exactly.

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Yes.
So let's start it.

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The first honorable mention main
that man, that shares my last

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name, mr.
David Wilson bamboo Danville,

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Virginia, George Washington,
High School arrivals our Rivals.

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Exactly guys, you played
against, I didn't play against

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David, but you played against
some good guys there, Kenny

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Lewis!
Another holy Louis!

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Another hooky!
Exactly!

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But the one thing I always kind
of wood, stuck out to me, with

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David, and one of our best
friends coach, Robbie Compton

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show of him, but he gambled,
shout-out Campbell and got to

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see David.
Up close and personal as he was

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coaching the defensive line at
Halifax and man, he talked about

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all these how fast he was.
And don't get me wrong, David

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was fast, I think it was like a
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how David was built, David
wasn't some skinny guy.

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David was what right 5 11 and a
half like to 10 and it was

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muscle to run as fast as he
could.

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But dude what always got me and
We've discussed this before and

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always goes that Clemson ACC
Championship game in one of

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those runs what he went to the
right kind of went back in a guy

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called him, and dude, he's on
one leg.

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Continuing to move forward.
And that balance?

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Yes, man.
Oh my God.

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It was just like, he should have
lost 15 yards.

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He gained like eight because he
kept his balance.

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And then when he finally got a
second foot down and took off

445
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:12,200
towards the corner, should have
went to the ET freaks thing and

446
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,200
just watch that again.
But you know I can still

447
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,400
ingrained in my mind that run.
What about what do you think

448
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,700
about David?
Yeah I mean you mentioned it the

449
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:24,700
balance.
I mean there were several runs

450
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:28,700
throughout his career where like
I had him by the shoulder pads,

451
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:32,200
maybe a foot off the ground but
he's still got leg drive and

452
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,200
he's dragging this guy.
I'm like, how are you still

453
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,300
moving forward with the guy
literally, pulling your shoulder

454
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,800
pads to the ground?
It was just It was amazing.

455
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,500
And then all the, all the clutch
kick returns that he had, man.

456
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,800
I mean, the guy just has that
rate.

457
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,000
Carry Your Vision on those
kickoffs man.

458
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,400
I mean, probably, as good as
we've ever had doing that since

459
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,100
I can remember.
And just being a likable guy.

460
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:08,400
I mean, do with your lips and
just, you're looking, like

461
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,900
always got a smile on his face.
Everything he's doing I mean you

462
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,300
never saw the guy without a
smile.

463
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,400
So I think mean career numbers
aside I mean we're talking

464
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:23,400
career numbers of 2662 yards,
rushing 363 receiving and 23

465
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200
touchdowns.
But I mean just what he did that

466
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,700
kind of carrying that team
especially in the the 2011

467
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:33,600
season but also with two NFL
talents and still being able to

468
00:28:33,608 --> 00:28:37,000
break out in 2009 and 2010 as
well.

469
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,700
So yeah and I mean in 2011 he
won't ACC player the Year was

470
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:46,500
first team ACC you mentioned the
career rushing he holds the

471
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,400
Virginia Tech you know single
season rushing that year with

472
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,200
1709 and the kickoff returns.
You mentioned 1324 yard which is

473
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,200
crazy.
But 2010 when he was the primary

474
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:05,000
backup in 2010, well the primary
backups 26 and a half yards per

475
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800
kick return.
That's insane.

476
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,500
That's literally insane.
That's like saying, hey Hey even

477
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:15,200
in today's age to we're all just
let it go in the end zone but

478
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,900
you know, don't worry about it.
Let it go.

479
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,600
You better be careful kicking it
to the end zone because he can

480
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400
bring it out.
And then he went on, you know,

481
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,400
first-round pick of the Giants.
Unfortunately, that neck injury,

482
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
you know, stopped his career.
But you know what?

483
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Even through that, he never quit
smiling.

484
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800
He never quit, being a happy
guy.

485
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,700
I got a chance.
I think it was 14.

486
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,000
Yeah, 14 was a year like he
played 12 and 13 in the neck

487
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,100
injury having 14, but he was up
at Tech right there in the Hokie

488
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,000
Village.
Next, Lane Stadium out there

489
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,900
talking to people had a chance
and just just so happy, just so

490
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:55,900
engaging such a great man.
Now Brian, your guy, we've

491
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:58,100
helped them up on our last
episodes.

492
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:03,400
I want to give him a lot more
height this week so honorable

493
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,600
mention number two, Lee Suggs,
One half of The Untouchables,

494
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,900
I'm going to call him touchdown
machines.

495
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,300
Oh God.
Yeah, why do you say that his

496
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,300
two thousand year?
Because score, 27 touchdowns.

497
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,900
Yeah, that means he's averaging
two touchdowns a game.

498
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,800
So let's take you back to the.
Let's take you back to the

499
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800
beginning.
So William flame high school

500
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,100
sophomore year, he was a
defensive end and backup running

501
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,000
back.
Starter goes down first Carry

502
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,600
70-yard touchdown.
So there was birth, the least

503
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,800
the Lee Suggs myth.
I've been chewin last episode he

504
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
truck my boy Jesse Rogers on his
way to the endzone.

505
00:30:54,100 --> 00:31:01,600
He did when Halifax played
Fleming People were at the 1998,

506
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:05,700
vhs-c a All-Star game.
People were mentioning his name

507
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,600
right next to Ronald, Curry and
Michael Vick.

508
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,400
So restive, this, this was not a
not somebody that to be fooled

509
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,200
around with even in high school,
you know, saw some spots I'm

510
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,300
garbage time in the writing 1999
but Juggernaut in 2000, he just

511
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:27,900
mentioned 27, touchdowns 1,200
yards rushing It's pretty much

512
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:32,000
the whole 2001 season, he played
in the one game that injured,

513
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,000
but then right back at it,
especially with, with KJ in

514
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,000
there, The Untouchables.
Yeah, thousand to Thirty one

515
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,400
thousand, three hundred,
twenty-five yards and another 22

516
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,400
touchdowns, while splitting
carries with arguably one of the

517
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,500
best running backs in the school
history.

518
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:54,000
So, Lee was a beast man.
And then he gets drafted in the

519
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,500
fourth round.
The Browns, he plays the like

520
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:02,700
bleep late six or seven years.
Pretty successful Lee was really

521
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,100
was awesome man.
And, you know, like you spent in

522
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:10,800
last time, Lee ran was so much
power but he had the sneaky

523
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,500
speed.
Yeah you would just think Lee.

524
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,100
Just going to hit me and then he
like turned on the Jets and it's

525
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:19,900
like oh God I wasn't prepared to
get hit and now he's up the

526
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:23,900
field, he had a high A gear that
you didn't see when he was

527
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,800
running between the tackles once
he got past the linebacker

528
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,300
level, all of a sudden, oh, oh,
he's got that gear.

529
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,800
Okay.
Well, see you later touchdown.

530
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Good night and y'all say this,
you're lucky I missed bleah

531
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,900
because he was 02.
My first game was 03 but still

532
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:43,700
remember Lee running on the TV
man.

533
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:49,500
So all right.
So folks we're here where we are

534
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:56,500
at the for we are at the More
Rushmore poke offense and Brian.

535
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,100
I see here, you've wrote down,
you're giving me the honor, you

536
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:03,600
have the honor, sir.
Well the honor and I don't think

537
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,100
anyone will question this.
The first man, that would be on

538
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,900
this.
It would be Michael Vick.

539
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,200
I don't think there's a
question.

540
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,000
There's no dispute there.
All right, Michael Vick and all

541
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200
these do this, I just feel like
for people that might be

542
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,900
younger, listen to this, Michael
Vick.

543
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,500
What News, Virginia Warwick High
School.

544
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,700
This is the guy who put Virginia
Tech in the upper echelon of

545
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:32,600
college football, there is no
doubt about it. 95, we had the

546
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,300
Sugar Bowl, there was an
Ascension, we were considered a

547
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,500
top 25 team, what Michael Vick
did in 1999, put us at a level

548
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,500
that I think we, as fans strive
to get back to.

549
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,300
Here's 22 and one, as a starter,
Brian will go my Epitaph now.

550
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,600
Here we go. 1 for 2.
In 1.

551
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,500
He lost to probably one of the
greatest college football teams

552
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,400
of all time, in for state.
That's his only loss ever ever,

553
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:02,100
and in my heart in my heart and
my mind and my soul.

554
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,200
If he's playing in that 2000,
Miami game in which we went to

555
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
war with them.
Yep, we win that game.

556
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,100
We go play Oklahoma for the
national title.

557
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:17,300
That is the way I feel grief
grief and also he changed the

558
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,300
game of college football.
Because for anybody, for the

559
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,100
first time you saw my Michael
Vick.

560
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,100
And it whether it be the flick,
and I mean that little just and

561
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:29,300
it would just start out or when
he started running man, when he

562
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,699
started running, you got it.
It wasn't you set back and

563
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:33,600
relaxed you got right on the
edge of your seats.

564
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,600
And I was watching the third
quarter of the national

565
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,000
championship game on acc Network
the other night and Gary

566
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,300
Danielson who a lot of people
pick on because you know, Gary's

567
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:46,300
older.
Now he makes some some goofy

568
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,699
statements but he made a perfect
summation of what Michael Vick

569
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,000
is.
Michael Vick is Holy Grail of

570
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,800
cubies for this next century and
I kind of sat there, and I

571
00:34:55,808 --> 00:34:58,100
thought about that as I heard
it, and he's right, if you take

572
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:02,200
a look, I want you to take a
look at the four guys who were

573
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,600
in the finals of the NFL, this
year.

574
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,500
Okay, thanks got that Jimmy
Garoppolo you ever seen Jimmy's

575
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,300
throated they have too little
snap.

576
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,500
It's a snap Jimmy's athletic to
Mahomes with the big gun but an

577
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:19,600
athlete Lamar Lamar wasn't there
this year, excuse me, but

578
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,700
Lamar's one of them 10 Anna
Hill.

579
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,100
Who's an athletic Guy?
This is this, this is what

580
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:26,800
happened.
He literally changed the

581
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,400
position and I'm gonna get to
his accolades after I throw it

582
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,700
over to you.
But as BT fans, we know how good

583
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:38,600
he was.
And when you in that game in

584
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,900
Morgantown, man, I still can
remember it.

585
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:46,500
I can still visualize it, but
that team was down.

586
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,400
It was, it was over there,
probably everybody in the

587
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,300
country felt like, Cute story
but it's over and what he did

588
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,700
there and that run down the side
line is he's going in those

589
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:00,000
Defenders.
Like we've got leverage on him

590
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,400
and do what he turned it into
Jets went on and he went another

591
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,300
25 yards up field to get in
range for Shane G field gold its

592
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,700
lore if that's cool.
Absolutely.

593
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,900
And then watching the third
quarter the other night did you

594
00:36:18,908 --> 00:36:22,600
speechless because yes, Yes.
Kendrick had the runs.

595
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,700
But when he ran those options
that one option touchdown, dude.

596
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:26,800
Those guys weren't worried
about.

597
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,300
Andre Kendrick and Andre kisses,
good player in his writings of

598
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,700
e.t. player did.
You can see they were coming off

599
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,100
and everybody's like what's it
going to do pitch touchdown and

600
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,200
then they're like oh we gotta
remember the other guys here,

601
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,200
cut him kicking yours at the
field in a flick.

602
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,100
Sorry.
But you gotta think about one of

603
00:36:44,107 --> 00:36:49,600
the best teams ever.
Took it as their role to shut

604
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,400
down.
Michael Vick.

605
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,800
And they couldn't do it.
They couldn't do that without.

606
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,100
That's what it was.
I mean, they went, they went

607
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,300
into that game saying, we have
to shut down, Michael Vick and

608
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,100
they still cannot do it.
Now, they won the game but they

609
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:06,700
didn't stop bike.
And I mean, we talked about the

610
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
the miracle Morgantown.
I think of that run and I think

611
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,300
of the Beastie run because the
PC run it advises everything

612
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:16,000
that Michael Vick could do as an
athlete.

613
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,900
And everything kind of, you
know, it encapsulated his

614
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,800
abilities and kind of how he
played the game you know you had

615
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,500
to drop back, you had the Escape
ability in the backfield there,

616
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,800
you had the get to the edge and
then all of a sudden you had the

617
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,500
acceleration where they think
they still got it, but they

618
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,100
don't, then there's the broken
tackles and he cuts back to the

619
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,800
middle of the field and then one
guy left.

620
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
I don't put on the spin cycle.
Make this a little flashy.

621
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,300
Absolutely touchdown.
And then some of those passes

622
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,800
over the top to Andre Davis this
in.

623
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,200
We saw it early.
And I think the one that

624
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,600
epitomizes him, most and this is
his Pro game at pasta.

625
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,900
DeSean Jackson against the skins
for like he literally threw that

626
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:05,200
ball. 76 yards on the fly.
Yeah, and it was, it wasn't.

627
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,700
He got into it if you remember
that it was like a little step

628
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,700
flick.
He had settled in at the 5-yard

629
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,800
line and then just took a big
step in flow.

630
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:17,000
Get.
It was crazy and it's just like,

631
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,100
I remember doing that time
Terry.

632
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,000
Davis, like, where Andre Gets
behind the defense is like oh

633
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Mike's going to put that on the
money without a without a

634
00:38:23,207 --> 00:38:26,800
question, just good.
A good arm quarterback would

635
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,300
have had to like Crow Hop once
or twice to get the ball that

636
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:33,300
far.
Knock Mike, man, freak of

637
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,500
nature.
Um, just to run down some of

638
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:39,300
his, the accolades, third and
Heisman voting.

639
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,600
He should have won if the dead
gum committee wasn't so staunch

640
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,900
as they were conservative.
Yeah it's took eight years later

641
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,100
for a freshman to finally win.
Mike deserve that trophy they.

642
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:54,200
Ron Dayne should literally drive
to Newport News just like leave

643
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,800
it at Mike's Door and say it's
yours do because for real it

644
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,900
should have been he was the Big
East player 9 E9 long with the

645
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,400
Rookie of the Year.
Another insane, stat, Rhonda.

646
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,800
Don't you think about how
college football was 21 years

647
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,600
ago?
He was, he led the, he led the

648
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,100
nation in passing efficiency?
That's still third all time.

649
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,300
Do you think about 20 years ago,
you could press you can hit

650
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:24,100
quarterbacks?
He still third all-time 21 years

651
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,300
later when the game has
significantly changed to more

652
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,100
Airaid Concepts, where it's guys
are getting crazy stats.

653
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,500
Yeah, I mean, I know they're
throwing more with their also

654
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,100
throwing more high percentage
passes in with a lot more wide.

655
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:44,100
Open lanes.
Exactly Archie Griffin award

656
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:48,700
that year, which is the NCAA MVP
first pick in the draft numbers.

657
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,800
Again, they weren't mine.
Bowling, thirty two, hundred

658
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200
yards.
Passing 21 touchdowns 1,200

659
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,700
yards, rushing 17, touchdowns
the numbers aren't spectacular

660
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,800
but is hokey fans like us who
have been fans for years.

661
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,600
We were running to 70% of the
time with the elite or Kendricks

662
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,100
or some of those other was stiff
was on those teams to.

663
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:10,300
Well I mean, look at, look at
2000 we just mentioned earlier,

664
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:17,200
I mean, 26th and 27th but how he
opened everything up is, why

665
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
that year number seven offense
in the country.

666
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:25,600
Again, a peak we desperately if
we ever got back to with, you

667
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,700
know, some of the defensive
talents, it would have been

668
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:33,000
over.
So number one of one slap it on

669
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,200
the wall, boom, Mike Vick, I
brown.

670
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:43,800
Well, I'm going with with, what
I know here for, for our second,

671
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,100
not rough, more recipient here,
and it's going to be Jake Grove.

672
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,300
Oh, yeah.
J.Crew, Robes thinner, Jefferson

673
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:57,000
Forest, High School, product
grew up on a cattle farm outside

674
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,100
of Lynchburg in Bedford County.
We were taught, we talked about

675
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:04,100
the lunch pail with the defense,
but if there's a offensive

676
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:09,700
player that epitomize lunch
pail, it was this guy, we got

677
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:15,500
two offers coming out of high
school, Virginia Tech, VMI, This

678
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:21,400
was an undersized player coming
out of high school and went on

679
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,000
to be the one of the best
centers that we've ever had.

680
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Remington Trophy winner in 2003,
first-team all-big, East

681
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,500
unanimous, All-American, five
years in a row, super iron

682
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,700
hokey.
This is a guy that again came in

683
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,900
undersized and then broke the
center record for power clean

684
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:43,900
and Year One.
So this is the type of ball in

685
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:46,600
that I'm talking about, I mean,
and another thing, when you talk

686
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,900
about centers standing out to
players and then sent to fans,

687
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:54,100
usually it's for the wrong
reasons.

688
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,400
Usually, it's because they
missed the line check or they

689
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,200
missed the block or something
like that.

690
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Bad snaps, Jake, Grove is a
center that stood out for good

691
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,800
reasons.
He was great at calling

692
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,700
protections.
He was great at the Justin for

693
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:09,000
blitzes.
And he was a guy that was

694
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800
nicknamed, dirty and earned that
title from time to time.

695
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:17,400
Time because he was willing to
take you to the ground and you

696
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,100
got to like somebody that has
that dog in them and is willing

697
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:21,800
to do what he needs to do to
win.

698
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,300
Do what he needs to do for his
team and do what he needs to do

699
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:28,000
for himself?
He was drafted, second round by

700
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,700
the Oakland Raiders in 2004 and
the Hokies retired his number in

701
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,300
2006.
So, this is an all-time guy

702
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:37,700
here.
And like I said, from a lunch

703
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,300
pail perspective, this is as
good as it gets, on the

704
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:44,500
offensive side of the ball in my
And I'm agreeing with you and

705
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:47,000
you said so much about it.
And again, there's not a lot of

706
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,800
stats for Sinners but Jake
anchored, those lines in those

707
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,500
years, at Virginia Tech, you
know, 2002-2003, especially,

708
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:59,900
especially 2003 to the Virginia
Tech Hall of Fame.

709
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,800
Drafted played six years, got
banged up and didn't play as

710
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:09,400
long, but if you make the point,
he he is one of those offensive

711
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,700
guys who had the lunch pail
mentality.

712
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,600
He was one of those guys would
have the old statement was

713
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,000
gentrified, right?
Yeah.

714
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:20,300
Sighs coming out in high school
and he grew into a mountain of a

715
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:24,100
man.
And you know, again, we kind of

716
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:28,000
look back in those offensive
lines were really, really good

717
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,700
back in the early 2000s with the
guy like Grove and in Jake's.

718
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:37,100
Now, I think Jake's just living
back in forest and coaching at

719
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,900
Jefferson for us.
Because what else is there more

720
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:43,500
to do with a guy like that?
And I'd love.

721
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:47,000
He's one of those guys that I'm
sure you'd love to meet ya.

722
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,600
You love to me just as an
offense.

723
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,500
Absolutely, to talk, just talk
shop with him in.

724
00:43:53,600 --> 00:44:00,100
You know, in I think I put him
at ye how I want to say.

725
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,200
I put Jake it to you but have
been to, I think I put him in

726
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,900
three.
Okay, so there we go.

727
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:09,000
Yeah.
So, but just because he was that

728
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:17,200
good and You know, you could
argue say maybe maybe maybe the

729
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,000
best center in college football
history.

730
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,500
I'm sure they can be arguments
about that, but when you win the

731
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,300
Remington, you're definitely on
the elite level.

732
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,700
You put your name in the
conversation especially when you

733
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,300
block for guys, going out there
and getting that many touchdowns

734
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,700
rushing to wrong, and, you know,
winning those unanimous.

735
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,300
The unanimous All-American is
the big thing for me on top of

736
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:43,000
the Remington is that, you know,
that that Stu accolades side by

737
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,800
side, when you put them together
and says a lot.

738
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:48,700
Oh, 100%.
And you talk about being

739
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:52,400
unanimous and when you hear
unanimous, I think what they're

740
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,300
there for All-American poles for
5:30.

741
00:44:55,900 --> 00:45:01,300
There's a few out there.
He was 11 every single one.

742
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:04,900
That's impressive.
That's impressive.

743
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,100
All right.
All right buddy.

744
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:11,300
I will throw this next.
We'll meet you, man, so I know

745
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:13,500
this is near and dear to your
heart.

746
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Absolutely.
I'm gonna let you take it away

747
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,200
and see, where we go from here.
Yeah, that well that 2003 year,

748
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,700
when he was open and holes, he
was opening holes for one, Kevin

749
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:32,700
Jones annexed on the Hokey Mount
Rushmore, you know, Springfield

750
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:40,000
Pennsylvania, Cardinal O'Hara.
Man, you know, last episode,

751
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,500
y'all know, the emotion with
Kevin Jones.

752
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,000
Me first touching, I never saw
on Lane stadium was Kevin, but

753
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Kevin was the one one of the
2001 screwing class the 11.

754
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:55,500
Yep, nobody higher than and he
was the US Army player the year.

755
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,600
We know about that game, we see
it every year as we get into

756
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,200
January, to December.
So he was there Player of the

757
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Year and and dude, Kevin Jones.
One's lived Pub to everything.

758
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,000
He was billed as everything.
Yeah, absolutely.

759
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,400
And I think it's one of those
things where, if people ever

760
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,900
question, hey, you know, Top
guys, can't go to Tech and

761
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:24,300
succeed.
Bullshit, not only did he

762
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:30,200
succeed, he went over the top,
you know, I sit here and I think

763
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,800
about it.
Brian you mentioned that Rutgers

764
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,700
Ron, and I had to go back and
see it.

765
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:40,700
So I did and man that run is all
encompassing of what he was as a

766
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,400
player.
He was that short side run in

767
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:49,800
the blocks, didn't materialize,
he stopped went back. 18 yards

768
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,000
behind the line of scrimmage in
the next thing, you know, he's

769
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,300
starting to run away from guys
and then yeah down there and

770
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:58,400
Rutgers thought they had in
leveraged.

771
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,600
He made it look like he was
going to go out.

772
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,900
He just talked about it last
time that cut, he did that quick

773
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:09,200
cut left.
Burners gone touchdown and, you

774
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,600
know, Kevin and you hear stories
about Kevin, you see, Kevin

775
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,100
zeese, uh, successful guy.
Now he just seems like the

776
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:22,600
nicest guy in but And just how
he how he played.

777
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,800
Brian.
Can I can, I can I just ask a

778
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,300
question?
I love, I love email.

779
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,400
I love some of those guys from
2014.

780
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,000
Dude, what if he was honored
for?

781
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.

782
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:41,400
But what mean, you saw him in
person like God, did I think in

783
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,800
the future?
We're going to talk about the O

784
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,900
40 min more more depth so we'll
get to love.

785
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:47,900
Sure, we'll get to that a little
later.

786
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,500
Sounds well, but Yeah.
Absolutely.

787
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Absolutely no to bend that have
been kind of the the icing on

788
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,100
the cake there.
Yeah.

789
00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:03,600
And career-wise, you know, 30
475 yards 35 TD's with only one

790
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,900
season as the primary starter
and that was 03.

791
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:10,500
He was backing up li the first
two years and then he split time

792
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:20,000
in 2002-2003, the big year,
1600, 47 yards, you know, 21

793
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
touchdown, which led the NCAA
5.9, / Rush, consensus

794
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,600
All-American, second all-time
leading rusher, in Tech,

795
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,700
History, third, and single
season, third and single game

796
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,500
with 241.
That's just an insane number.

797
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Whoo, first round draft pick by
the lines and I stated before if

798
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,900
he doesn't get that limbs Frank
injury, which caused some other

799
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,400
injuries, I really do believe.
He would have been considered

800
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,500
one of the best running backs of
that era of football and, you

801
00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:02,900
know, twenty five and seven, man
point seven, seven and yeah,

802
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:12,600
well, Kevin just love Kevin and
he is the to me, he is the best

803
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,400
running back in Virginia Tech
History.

804
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:17,900
Yeah, I mean there's so much you
can say about Kevin.

805
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:22,100
I mean, you said it and I made a
point on the last last time we

806
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,400
were talking about our first
trip saline in the records room.

807
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:29,100
He said, that's what I kind of
really, kind of everything

808
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,800
Hammer home for me was just
watching, you know, Kevin Jones

809
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,500
and Lisa was just completely
tear up a field going for 350

810
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:39,500
yards, rushing combined, I mean,
that's, that's something I

811
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,200
didn't know that could happen in
real life at that point.

812
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:47,100
So it was just, it was so cool
to see and You know, Kevin was

813
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:50,500
always, he can make the big play
but he also can make the good

814
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,500
play and I think that that was
probably one thing that was

815
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,000
maybe underrated about him.
Is that he knew he could hit the

816
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,500
home run.
But he was out there.

817
00:49:57,500 --> 00:50:01,200
Getting those tough yards to you
didn't see it as much because we

818
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000
got a lot of those tough yards
early on him in the run.

819
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,200
But, you know, three was out
there.

820
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Getting those tough yards on his
own to and I mean, he could do

821
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,800
it, he was really an all-purpose
back.

822
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,900
That also had, you know, that
that home run potential.

823
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Lutely, man.
All right, so let's go to the

824
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,800
final Stone.
We have carved out on the hooky

825
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,700
Mount Rushmore.
This is yours big guy.

826
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,700
This is mine, and it might be a
little controversial, even

827
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:31,200
though it was Mutual between
both of us to put him up here.

828
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:36,100
It was, it was Mutual.
So in our last slot here, we're

829
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:40,500
giving it to Tyrod Taylor
five-star out of Hampton.

830
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,000
Number one, dual-threat
quarterback in the country.

831
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,700
Number three overall Court.
Like a country came to us.

832
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,300
It came down to Virginia Tech in
Florida, and he came to

833
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:55,000
Virginia, Tech piggybacking off
what Curtis said, that's kind of

834
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:57,100
him.
And Kevin Jones are kind of the

835
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:00,100
two times.
We've gotten those really big

836
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:04,600
time five-star guys that really
had no other affiliation with

837
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,800
Virginia Tech other than one to
be a part of it.

838
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,900
Some some of what I'm going to
tell here, is the sad story.

839
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:14,900
I just got to tell the sad story
so we can get to Nebraska and we

840
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:19,700
can get to T10.
So the sad story is that, you

841
00:51:19,707 --> 00:51:26,600
know, we probably should have
had a neither 08 or 07 some sort

842
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,200
of red shirt year for this guy
and we didn't you shouldn't play

843
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,500
burned his Redshirt against LSU,
why?

844
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,500
Sorry wrong.
Yeah, yeah.

845
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,800
Burn to the is Richard against
LSU burned it again sophomore

846
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,600
year against East.
See you, because we wanted to

847
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,600
chase 10 wins and meeting more
offense before we started

848
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,500
conference play.
So, you know, we get to a

849
00:51:55,500 --> 00:52:00,000
situation where I think, in a
lot of ways, we hamstrung his

850
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,900
development, not only by burning
those shirts, but by putting him

851
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:09,200
in a timeshare once we did burn
those shirts so that gets me to

852
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,300
Sean Glennon.
I feel like once we put him in

853
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,300
over Shawn, we should have kept
him in.

854
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,600
I know he had a couple high
ankle sprains they call Sean to

855
00:52:19,607 --> 00:52:22,900
get back in there but as soon as
tie rod was ready to go he

856
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:26,200
should have went full bore and I
split time, I know he had that

857
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,600
bad game against Duke where he
threw five had five turnovers

858
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:36,600
stick with your man.
Anyway that gets us to 2009 the

859
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,600
2009.
What went down significant for

860
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,200
Tyrod?
Taylor was turnovers You know,

861
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,000
what happened?
Wins went up and we also had,

862
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:50,500
it's not quite as spectacular as
the miracle in Morgantown, but

863
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,900
it was tie rods miracle in
Morgantown the drive against

864
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,800
Nebraska, the miracle in
Blacksburg.

865
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:59,700
Yes, sir.
And I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold up

866
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:02,300
for you.
Any further did not see that

867
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:07,500
live was at a wedding but my
phone went insane sitting there

868
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:14,800
at that reception table, man.
I mean, so we get the, we get

869
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
the long pass up, the sideline
to set everything up and then

870
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:21,000
tie rod dancing in the
backfield.

871
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,700
When's he going to throw it?
Clock's.

872
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:26,600
Ticking down clock and Dominican
to breathing down his neck.

873
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:28,800
Yes, sir.
Su is coming.

874
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Dyrell Roberts.
What's up?

875
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,300
My man touchdown.
There we go.

876
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,100
It's okay.
And what did Bill Ross?

877
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:43,000
Say he did it.
Just didn't see it live but

878
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:48,100
called all the replays.
But man, it just that, that was,

879
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,800
that was kind of the thing that
started turning the tide there.

880
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,200
And I think and then 2010 really
put all the pieces together as a

881
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,000
full full quarterback for us.
I mean, he had 2007 and 43 yards

882
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,600
passing 24 touchdowns, only five
picks, another 659 yards,

883
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:12,000
rushing and five touchdowns
career numbers. 7,000 17 yards,

884
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,000
forty four, touchdowns 2196
rushing, another 24 touchdowns,

885
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,400
huh?
I mean, the guy could do it all.

886
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,900
He could run, he could pass the
thing.

887
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:24,500
You know, he came in as a dual
threat.

888
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,900
But the thing, a lot of people
talked about throughout his

889
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,100
career Virginia Tech and even in
the prose is that he was a

890
00:54:30,107 --> 00:54:32,200
running quarterback that looked
a past first.

891
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,100
Even when he got out of the
pocket, his eyes were downfield.

892
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,600
He was looking to make the, make
the right play, not just the

893
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,600
play, that was athletic.
He was Going to go out there and

894
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,500
be a hero every play and he
played with them the game

895
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,000
despite his athleticism.
So I think that's the thing

896
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,600
that's underrated about him.
And we've seen that even more in

897
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,900
the NFL with him, being able to
protect the ball, the way he

898
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,600
does and how ball security is
Paramount for him.

899
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaking of the NFL 6, round
draft pick by the Baltimore

900
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,600
Ravens and projected starter for
the Chargers going into next

901
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:04,700
season.
Absolutely.

902
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:09,200
And remember, he was the guy
that took Buffalo back to the

903
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,100
play.
Laughs.

904
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,300
Yeah, broad Taylor did that and
tie rods, you know, he's a start

905
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:17,300
early, he's been a leak.
It's tough to think.

906
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,800
He doesn't like 10 years now,
and he could tell he's, I think

907
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,900
tie rods probably going to play
another five or six years

908
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:27,600
because he is that consonant
backup, who is a professional,

909
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,800
who helps the younger guys, but
who listen to the older?

910
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,500
Guys?
Like you with Philip, like he

911
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:33,800
didn't complain anything about
that.

912
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,900
You just saw him.
Just go work and help the team

913
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:39,400
out as much as I can.
And you talked about something.

914
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,400
That did make tie rod great was,
he was looking to pass now.

915
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,000
He broke one off like member of
that run against FSU at Lane

916
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,400
where they were just, you could
just tell that was like, the

917
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,600
will breaker.
Oh yeah.

918
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,100
Oh yeah.
But I go to the Stanford game in

919
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,000
the Orange Bowl.
He goes down the left.

920
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Sideline the scramble drill and
he could have ran it probably

921
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,300
got 10 yards.
In been closed, it in make it

922
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:08,900
closer for the first time but he
kept looking at past and David

923
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:11,900
Wilson broke in out and tie
rods.

924
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,900
Like, did that little spin move?
And when he came back around, he

925
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,200
fired it.
And hit David right in the chest

926
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,000
for a touchdown because he was
wanted to be a quarterback.

927
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:26,200
And like he said, no ties came
in successful, has all the

928
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:32,000
accolades.
And just mean, tie rod was Kind

929
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,100
of the guy that we got to see
after we graduated.

930
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:38,900
So we weren't always out,
partying the night before

931
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:40,700
sleeping.
All part of the game during the

932
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:45,200
day, but he was professional.
And I've got a number 5 Jersey.

933
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,200
That's my jersey.
I'm not one of these people that

934
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,800
buy a ton of jerseys, but when I
came across that I said, I got

935
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,900
to have it.
I love tie rod as a player.

936
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,400
He's also one of those guys
trying that I'm sitting here.

937
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,000
If you're talking about the 04
season we might have to do Do

938
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:09,200
the whole what if this guy comes
back in 2011, with David Wilson,

939
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,500
Danny Coale Jarrett Boykin and
the potential Logan Thomas at

940
00:57:13,508 --> 00:57:15,700
tight end.
Hmm, we might have another

941
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:23,000
episode in the bag there man.
Man, the the national champion

942
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,300
that could have been there's
like two or three of those and

943
00:57:25,308 --> 00:57:28,000
we can really talk about we lost
two games that year.

944
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,100
We lost two games, there about
the Clemson, and there was a guy

945
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:33,800
that was quarterback in Clemson
at that time.

946
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,900
That if we had done it right,
would have been our backup.

947
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:39,200
That's another time for another
day.

948
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,000
As we wrap up our poke Mount
Rushmore of Michael Vick.

949
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,600
Jake probe, Kevin Jones and
Tyrod Taylor.

950
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:57,300
We're tweeting out, give us your
Mount Rushmore of Hopi,

951
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,600
offensive players.
And I want to see some names

952
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,600
because these guys are the guys
that encapsulated our

953
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,400
generation.
Now I look back, Carol, Dale,

954
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:13,500
Cyrus, Lawrence, couple other
guys, too, but these this is our

955
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:15,600
Cookies Mount Rushmore.
So but give us.

956
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,400
Yours, is there somebody we
miss?

957
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,700
Is there somebody that you feel
is more deserving Brian walled

958
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,100
City, In here doing this on a
Tuesday night.

959
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,900
Have we missed anything in the
twittersphere any commitments?

960
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,300
Any top tens, while we loosen,
all the winds up?

961
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:35,400
Nothing that's worth mentioning
in the podcast, buddy.

962
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,200
Nothing that's worth mentioning
in the podcast, will maybe tweak

963
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,000
some stuff out later, but I
think we're good to go at this

964
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,400
point.
Awesome bud.

965
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,500
Awesome.
Well, that wraps up this episode

966
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:50,100
of The Boundary Corner podcast,
my name is Curtis Wilson, I'm

967
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,400
Brian Sigler.
As always we let Jason Long,

968
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,400
play us out, catch him on
Spotify and apple music.

969
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,300
We thank you for listening and
as always let's go.

970
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:59,300
Okay.
Wow.