HIST 230: The Myth of the Dirty Heels

0:46 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson, I'm Brad Ziegler. How you doing buddy? Buddy, Thursday Night, Football all around playoff, baseball, all around. Command Center, engaged engaged, gin and tonic engaged. Seeing my wide receiver have a fantasy for hours here. You have a solid first half and Alan Robinson about five and a half points, get anybody playing tonight, I've got one Smith's. Oh okay, he's doing well so far. He's got like four points so hard to find a player. That's that's a solid first time. In fact, if I can get 8, For my defensive player I'm happy, I always go some type of inside linebacker just because tackle volume is usually consistent.

1:41 I'm not trying to get like 20 points from that position because it's so anybody that's getting 20 points is probably also you know having very up-and-down games. Going to give you a goose egg every now and then. So I go with the guys that are going to consistently give me 7 to 10 points and if you know if they get a pick or they get a Fumble return or something like that for a touchdown. All the better. Yeah, folks. What Brian's discussing is something we playing in a league together, this is your eighth run with the other and about third fourth year in me and Brian decided to we've got to do some different stuff. We got to make this league fun, so we had this genius idea individual defensive players.

2:30 Some people hate it, some people love it but it you have to actually know more about football and do more studying because to bronze Point usually linebackers or the guys, you want their more than steady Eddie's. Now you can go get a defensive end like I think Nick was my head Nick. Both the last year I played in quite a few times or play them one time and it was like the game yet, three sacks, six tackles, who tackles for losses. So his numbers were Like 16 and a half and it's just like that's that's not fair. Yeah. But then you know there's one of those games where you get 0 64 tackles maybe one tackle for loss and yeah, it's like Five Points. So it's one of those interesting pieces because every year it's like what do you take this guy and if there's somebody out there in a certain round that you know, tackles 175 has 175, tackles of gain or year?

3:27 You're like, I need that guy. It's like Like having Rook exactly. Exactly. I think Brooke last year, if you like like do everything that he did, he would have averaged like 10 points a game maybe 11 points again. Yeah, what's a good name in? Probably the couple games where he had, you know, some sacks or some forced fumbles or anything like that. He would have been around the 15 to 20 point range on a good on a good game. So I've Loved. All right, we're going to get into it. But before we get into Know, The Enemy real quick hokey, Headline wide receiver out of Tennessee trade Curry who committed back in July. D commits, what they weird midnight post of my by officially open for really like movement is 100% open to all teams.

4:18 Yeah, remember when he first committed it was like an initial light kind of a shock, you know, we you saw him in on the offered list but you never thought much of And it was kind of cool. This is good. Yeah, big-bodied receiver kind of really awkward that he D commits. After the first two games were bird, literally throwing things that he could do his first day on campus. What would any tape on this brown or just, you know, it is what it is doing. If you weren't sitting to know, I'd feel a whole lot worse about this, but I think with everything that we've been dealing with the last, Last few weeks with guys being potentially out for games and things like that. This is like, not even denting the radar and it was a guy that probably of all the ones on our commit list. We probably felt the least secure about. Oh yeah.

5:20 Despite even some of the the word coming down that he know he wasn't, you know, listening to other teens and things like that. You know, there was a situation with what was going on with him. He's old high school going to this new high school and there was just a whole lot of uncertainty already around the commitment so you know if one was going to D commit it was probably going to be Curry so it's happened we'll address it and go from there man on Capitol Hill, Let's Do It. Let's Go. All right so let's start with the breakdown here. We're going to start on the offensive side of the ball like review most weeks and I want to kind of dive into Brown. Well I think we I mean you feel is what they're going to have to do too and I think they're going to have to pass the ball to win with Sam how hello Young quarterback.

6:08 So I just went around. I know, you look at some tapes. I've Deep dive some stats. So I want to take a look at some stats first thing, we're going to look into some of your findings, and this is kind of what I'm finding out, all right. So so far through the first two games, they're ranking 24 and pass efficiency at 140 4.30, so, You know, top third not legally, but top third still respectable average, shouldn't 260 yards, a game. So again, solid number on 4:30 attempts is slightly up, was 8.6 last year's 8.7 this year. So small tenth of a point now, where he's really, you know, going to the next level is completion percentage last year, for the total year. Sixty one point four so far this year, 65%. So, you know, you're looking at Or write or percent increase which, you know, people don't say, well, that's not that much but over time, you know?

7:04 Yeah, that's one or two passes, a game. And when you're hitting one or two extra passes a game between, that's probably two or three, extra first downs of game. Exactly. And that's one of those things where you kind of take last year, a couple extra passes made in that six overtime, Thriller. It might have went their way, not our way smell. Something that does show some regression. Mm. So last year, he was one of the best in the nation is touchdown. Interception ratio was five. Point four, two one. That's damn good. I would take that for our quarterbacks in a heartbeat this year. So far, though, through two games, small sample size, three touchdowns, three interceptions. And he's pretty much halfway to where he was with his interception total last year.

7:49 Now, sort of looking at the two teams they played so far, their past defense rankings, They're not bad but they're not great Syracuse is ranked 30th PCS ranked 25th. This is out of roughly seventy two teams who have played a game, not counting you Houston, you finally got on the field. Good for you tonight as you started going through the tape of this year. Just a couple games we have. What are we seeing about saying, how this year? I mean he's about what we saw last year, I think. He's a little more poised, a little more accurate with the ball this year, but he has taken those couple of extra Chances with it like that. You've noticed there we've got only 3 to 3 in terms of touchdown interception.

8:40 But I mean, he's really good in the pot can. But he's also a guy that's going to move the pocket by sometimes with his legs. He'll Scamper for a first down here there. But what he's really looking to do, when he gets outside the pocket, he's looking to find receivers that are Creaking open on Scramble drill and, you know, getting some separation from the, their Defenders, once a route kind of breaks down there. So that's what he likes to do with that. He's gotten some really big plays once. He got outside the pocket, resetting his feet and throwing down field to plays. In particular, one was a touchdown toss to Javonte Williams, got outside the pocket right. At the line of scrimmage sets his feet delivers, a strike as Williams kind of breaks free from his man for A touchdown, have a similar one, didn't go for a touchdown, but went for a big game to Boca Rallo. So, I mean, he likes to do that type of stuff. And speaking of those running backs in the in the scramble drill, both Carter and Williams, Michael Carter, and Javonte Williams are going to be pretty dangerous in the passing game. They're both guys that can hurt you. A Javonte Williams is the guy that they're going to design kind of more of the route tree type things for To get him involved with passing down the field. But Michael Carter is the guy that's going to get a lot of the check downs and but he's a guy that can break some tackles make you miss and then make a big play out of it. So what have you what have you seen in the stats? From those guys, what you're

10:11 seeing on tape is absolutely telling in the statistics because you talk about Williams, you more designed more getting out on the route tree. More big play potential. He's only got three receptions. But he's averaging 26 yard. Perception. You know? That's, that's big. That's a big play. That is one of those game Breakers where you're sitting at the 30, something like that happen. The fields flipped in Harvey, but to your point with quarter hoarder is second on the team in receptions, he's got seven so you talk about the check down clearly how he feels comfortable throwing to him out of the backfield, not as many yards, you know not as many as explosive plays but sometimes when your guy can get to that portion, All these reads, you're not taking losses so it's good. Now something I've noticed here, Braun, I think you're probably going to get a little up in your next segment. They have allowed six sacks in two games. That is the bottom half.

11:11 No. So the seventy two teams. It's on the bottom half of allowed so far and it's 47. Yards loss on those sacks. So, what that's telling me at least the way I can kind of read it. I just about a year. Yd essentially that looks like potential coverage sex, probably not many scrambling. If you're averaging eight, my assumption would be. If he's running backwards, there's going to be some bigger numbers in there, not shorter numbers, which makes me feel good that if we can kind of create a good look on the back, end front for, we can get to Sam. Now, something that's been a little shocking, and when I read this, I kind of had a reread it again for the second time.

11:55 So, last, Year. Poff. Graded, Sam how as the best. Password over 20 yards are yards with a clean pocket the belt. Okay. So far this year, not great. Bob no completions over 20 yards in two games. 04:10. So we see sacks, correlational Stacks eight yards, that's probably about the five to seven step drop. You know out of Center at a shotgun similar, right? Yep. Listen to this and I don't know if it's just him getting smarter as a pastor or them unable to take less risk.

12:40 The are yards per attempt last year. There were nine point seven damn near 10 yards per attempt. Through the air this year, that's down to seven point four. So, two and a half yards lost, you know, I don't know, you know, as you're looking at the front if you're seeing it but you know, we're going to the receivers here in a second. Maybe maybe you've seen some stuff there. Now the one thing they are they're good in the Red Zone. 7475 touchdowns two field goals for rushing, touchdowns only one passing touchdown. So Bryan, I give you those numbers, especially, let's talk. Let's look at Really, those downfield numbers. And let's talk about those weapons. And some things change potentially there. So a couple of things have happened, and as you notice that, there's not a lot of down the feel attacking with the, with the pass game this year.

13:31 And one thing I'm noticing is that we've kind of neutralized as Newsome a lot in this, this new season and I think he has what he receptions we 431 and he had a bout last year. Yeah, so I'll be that's a very, very slow start for him. He hasn't been able to kind of take the Top off the defense, like he was able to do last year looks like a lot of teams are kind of playing cover three variations, just trying to make sure that there's not a lot of space for those guys to run some of those deep routes. Now, they Ami Brown has been able to take advantage of that underneath the cover 3 shell.

14:15 He's done a lot of good things in the passing game, he's been able to get kind of behind the linebackers and make some noise when he was in, man. Coverage a couple times. I saw him kind of get free of his man, get down the field a little bit, but as you were saying they're not able to hit some of those down feel things. And I think that that could come with time but it seems like the teams have adjusted to what UNC was doing with that downfield game last year and have taken some of that away this year which is something we're going to need to do in this game if we're going to have some success, you know, I like what brown has been able to do. I saw even, I know, We're running more Zone coverage this year. I saw him running kind of through zones and making some plays there with guys that are not moving at full speed in the zone there.

15:03 So he's going to be a guy that we're going to have to tackle once he gets the ball in his hands. But going back to halman, we talked about you know what he does in the pocket and how he had a. Some of those sacks seems like a coverage sex, he sometimes tries to do too much. He's got a little bit of that, you know. Bit like Ben Roethlisberger, but he kind of has that mentality where he's going to stand in the pocket as long as he can to try to make a play and sometimes that that comes back to bite him if he doesn't recognize that something is there and he can't get out of the pocket. He's not somebody that's going to throw it away. You know, safely to avoid taking the Lost. He's going to either take the sack or Chuck it in the direction of a guy that can make a play and a couple times that's calls the sack and a couple of times that's caused him to throw an interception. Yeah.

15:54 So what we're going to need to do is get pressure on him, make him throw it before, he's ready and make him. Try to take some of those extra risk with the football, make him uncomfortable but we also need to keep him in the damn pocket because he is he's been dangerous. When he's gotten outside the pocket can set his feet and kind of throwing that criminal drill starts. The third guy in there getting their passing game to watch though and this is a guy that's been hit a couple times. I know I mentioned him earlier is Beau Corrales. He's They're big body guys, 63 205 guy that you kind of run in the slots enough to seem that type of guy. They haven't hit him and he anything deep yet, but he's definitely a guy that can kind of work between the linebackers and make some plays and move the sticks for you.

16:40 Let's talk real quick about their offensive line. Before we pivoted in terms, of password, before we pivot into the Run game, an offensive line is average and past Pro, not great, not bad. Like I said because of the The the way that how will hold onto the football in the pocket, you're going to occasionally get a few sacks against them. Their little susceptible, would you bring pressure? So I think I think you're going to see some of those possible delay blitzes that we saw in in the game against NC State coming. So look for that buddy. Tell me some about their their Rush game. What are the stats look like? That's look like they're balanced offense. 168 yards, a game.

17:24 You know, with 12 points for Dimension, Davonte Williams and Michael Carter-Williams is averaging 4.6 of carry Carter 8.7. So definitely a big plate potential with Michael Carter. I can remember one of those big runs against Syracuse Williams has all the TVs. Now, before you jump into that, need you to just just two things. I want you to know about. Okay? Corrales is picking up Das has slack. He's tied with Corridor seven, receptions, 82, you Yards and Diana me. Although his stat line on looks good. Brian at 154 10. Receptions, his reception number is down from. 20.3 goes back again.

18:06 We're correlating it, they're having to drive the field. Yeah. Ours, that Russian game goes, Braun. You know, Williams, Carter and got a good one-two, punch. And what are you seeing? You know, we're seeing the can't go down field. So, I You sleep, can't Warfield. You gotta depend a little bit more on the Run. Yeah, I mean we're looking at another, you know, it's a spread Zone run scheme. We've seen it really kind of out the gate with NC State little less so last week with Duke but they're still kind of the same philosophy. So, you know, look for a more balanced team than than Duke and NC State were.

18:46 I know, we're looking at kind of different angles there where Duke was throwing the ball more, whereas NC State was trying to run the ball. A lot more especially early on before we kind of got that big lead on them. So this is a balanced team. They're going to be running and they can and passing the ball and they can do both with pretty good efficiency and what Carter does so well, is break tackles. I've seen it on the film a lot, man. He gets the ball in space. He's going to probably make the first guy Miss. So we got to be able to flow to the ball. And we got to be able to make tackles He is also very dangerous when he gets to the second level. So again we can't let one broken tackle turn into a 25-yard gain. We got to make sure that were flown to the football and making that stop and you know I'll give a little kudos to the offensive on there.

19:40 Pretty good offensive line in terms of run blocking, good on the combo blocks and they do a good job of leading and kicking with their HVAC sin motion. So you'll see an HVAC going motion and either kick out the Guy or lead up for, for an outside zone or something like that. So they do a good job there, man. And you know, when we look at what we need to do to kind of exploit, and this point this defense in just because often, sorry, not not, let them rack up the points. I think the big thing we need to do is play the next play. Every time I saw him film, they got a chunk play, but then they would make a mistake. Or they would have a - play or, you know, something would happen.

20:26 So we need to just keep playing the next play, not let one play result in a touchdown, you know, but three plays earlier. So that's what I think we need to do and I really took to have success. I want to see how kept in the pocket as much as possible. Where are you mentioned about the pot? Please, and I've given the stats of what they're doing in the Red Zone, but I mean against Boston College and Syracuse 31:26. So they're averaging under 30 points. A game against, I think, what? We're considering, probably one of the worst teams in the ACC and BC, you know, BC maybe middle part of the pack the Gene and all that. One thing that they've kind of done good and I feel like you just mentioned it with the HVAC and I don't know if that's Waltz and they don't use the tight end. He's got to receptions all year.

21:25 So clearly the way you mention HX, it sounds like they're blocking, they're not going to be any sort of threat in the pass game, but they actually are putting on third down. They're ranked 21st, they're converting, 48 percent of their third down to me, you talk about their getting the big plays, and then they can't quite capitalizing. Keep Minam going, they can't, but they're still driving the field. They're having to grind. Yep. Like sometimes last year, you watch a couple their games, it was like three, four plays touchdown and they kind of hit you. So they're doing it differently this year. And the question is, can they keep that up?

22:08 Can they keep that up as they start? And I'll go ahead and say it, taking a step up in competition. Yeah, and I think we, I think, We find an answer this weekend on that. All right, Brian, let's jump to the defense and I'm going to just say it straight up. I cannot sugarcoat this. As I take my glasses off and hold them, I can't sugarcoat as of this very moment, North Carolina leads the nation. In rushing, the what? Yeah, they are giving up 54 yards per game at about two yards per rush, so that's pretty, that's craziness. No. Touchdowns averaging eight and a half tackles for loss, which is good for 16th about four and a half for the loss of those tackles, you know.

22:58 And so it's a solid amount. I know I comparatively gets Virginia Tech. We're, we're about six per game at about four point eight. So sounds like what they're doing is able to penetrate the run. Now, Brian is you start looking on tape and you start breaking down this defense? What's making them, why so much success? So far? You feel especially against the run. So the thing I do really well, is they flow well to the football, whether it's in the passing game, or in the running game, they get to the football, they generally make good tackles, so they're pretty sound on that part.

23:38 They, their base defense is a 245 which we don't see very often. So, we're talking about Two down interior guys, to kind of hybrid Edge. I mean, they're kind of kind of defensive ends kind of edge rushers. They're very similar to what you would see in an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, then you've got to inside backers and then you've got the kind of a nickel set in the secondary there, two corners, two, safeties, and then you got a nickel. So they use the nickel, and the, the strong safety. And a lot of different ways. A lot of times they'll bring that guy right up on the line of scrimmage almost as like an extra outside linebacker. You call it a hybrid bear I don't really like that. I mean it's still a 245 they just got a guy walked up you know there's been a lot of Buzz out there on the you know the hybrid bear.

24:37 They were running against BC. It's not really that but they what they do I do well as though they mix up their blitzes and disguise their coverage as well, well, in that because they've got Really only two guys that are guaranteed to be going after the the passer on a passing down. So they do a good job of mixing in zone. Blitz has disguising. Coverages going with man sometimes across the board they even gave a look with with Hunter long from BC where they would occasionally have man responsibilities on him because he was kind of go to guy and then they would be Zone everywhere else. So they like to mix up their coverages pretty Well, but I mean, if I'm being honest, I like the rush defense but I don't like them as best Rush defense in the land.

25:30 As I was writing my notes out, I made that because as I was looking at the statistics, I'm looking at a right that I'm like, that's really good. All right, so when you, when we see things like that, it's immediately. I've got to go to the, their opponents and their games, alright? And we'll start with Syracuse bra. Let's let's look let's look at these two teams they played. All right so Syracuse ran the ball. 35 times against North Carolina for only 68 yards. Now, 15 of those roaches were by Tommy DeVito, the quarterback. So right there, kind of tells you the running backs and I know to be do can scramble we've seen him but it's he's not Braxton.

26:12 He's not some of these other running the quarterbacks where you fear for your life. If They get the ball in their hands. So then I said, well, let's go to pit puts another very good run defense. They ran the ball 34 times against it, for only 51 yards. So one less time, 17 left yards, DeVito ran at once again, 14 times, then they finally had their Breakout game Prime. Georgia Tech the game that you prevented you from going undefeated a few weeks ago about 41 times. This week, Tommy DeVito only random ball four times.

26:53 Now, see, you're notif. You they finally broke 100 yards. 163, I do think less of the focus on the quarterback running. The ball was probably a big help, but even with that game Run, you know, less than four yards per carry for that so that they were 3.97, that's not good. We know our standard here. Let's look at BC real quick before you jump back in here because I know you've probably got some things you'd like to talk about. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. BC ran the ball 19 times for 20 yards, that's less than two of carry, BC around the ball 41 times against Judah, at 84 yards. That's also less right at two yards a carry and then they ran the ball 27 times against Texas state for 87 yards. So their best effort all year against the juggernauts of Duke and text State as been for 3.2 yards. LeBron Me.

27:54 Okay, what you just said, perfectly sums it up. Good Rush defense. They're not number one of the lane. I just think they've gotten lucky and face just to absolutely wretched running offenses. What do you think? Yeah, I definitely think they're ranking is indicative of too bad, rushing, offenses, and not being the best in the land. Now, they do some good things to kind of confuse the offensive line with the, with their alignments and the way they bring the safety in the nickel. Kind of into the box to play the run. But as you said you know opponents like BC haven't rushed for 100 yards in a single game and Syracuse only just. So, even with these guys playing other teams, they're not doing well.

28:39 You know, you and C being the better version of Duke is not necessarily something, I would beat my chest about after we put up three hundred yards against them. I tell you what. Actually scares me more Is kind of the way they Blitz, especially with serrat going on some of those, a bag blitzes or kind of, they move him or all around the formation. Really, but they'll, they'll throw him into a gap and he can, he can kind of bring the Ruckus a little bit. So they do delayed blitzes, and pretty much always bring pressure on third down, even if they end up kind of dropping some of the other guys and kind of a Zone Blitz, type type move there.

29:22 And they bring pressure from all levels of the defense. I've seen linebackers coming. I've seen safeties, I've seen the nickel. I've seen even the corner, so they'll bring guys from everywhere and drop guys, pretty much, it'll drop anybody except for those those two down linemen. So it's interesting to watch, but on the back end, you know, they run a lot of mix of Zone and man and then like I said, their front gives them ability to Zone. And what's a lot so they can really mix up how they run their coverages. As I said earlier, they were running some guys, even on the inside specifically spotting a man, head upward and then ran Zone across the board everywhere else.

30:05 So they'll mix things up on us and short yardage. They didn't, you know, I would think in a short yardage scenario that they can serve, they might, you know, bring on a nose and and run the nickel off, but they didn't do that. What they ended up doing is sliding one of those. The guy that was playing the one technique interior out to a three technique and then putting both of those inside linebackers in the a gap. Well, and then they would roll the strong safety into the box. I'm like the picture that like button. Essentially, if you were in like an inside Zone type play and your tackles neutralize, the two tackles on the outside, you're talking about are nasty interior getting up into 225 pound lineman.

30:52 Or linebackers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly what you're talking about, Buddy. They're essentially hoping that they're going to get enough penetration at the snap where it's going to disrupt things and kind of funnel everything outside and let the safety, and the nickel kind of clean things up, it works sometimes and sometimes it didn't work, but that but that's what they like to go through and short yardage. They did it consistently against BC and like third one, and fourth, and one sometimes, third, and two situations. So that'll be something to watch out for. And so they would, like I said, they were aligned the, the down guys into three techniques. And then, they would either run a five with the outside edge rusher. They would, they would line up in a five technique and if it was to the tight inside, it would be a six techniques, will be head up on the tight end.

31:43 Oh, that's interesting things. We have to look for. If they do some of those things moving those interior, lineman further out and stuff like that. I want to wrap a couple Oil before we jump on to our next segment here on the rap, just a couple more stats with you Bryan, just so I want you again to get your feel, tell me what you think of these, all right, and a couple of my own personal thoughts. The first part down, there actually are pretty good at third down 36.1%, but for number 23, so far in the season. Now, third down conversions, guess who's the worst team of the country at third down conversions? Who yet Syracuse. So that definitely bumps that stat. When you played the worst team in the Country BC slightly worse than average at 42.

32:29 So again, overall, it's one of those things we look at it. You look at 23 and say, that's good. You look at where their opponents are converting. It's like, okay, well, they've helped you. The other thing is this is the one that I think, if you tell me, we wind up with a plus number in this category, Feel good. A turnover margin is minus 3. They've only have one interception off your, we've already mentioned how threw three interceptions. They also had a fumble. So there, they won two games, not win the turnover battle. We know how that goes last week when you are the better of two teams, clearly, North Carolina, more Talent across the board than Syracuse or BC and it happened. Yep.

33:16 But I'm going to go back to some mustard, a couple weeks. To go in this podcast. I watched a ton of that Syracuse game again was sloppy. It was ugly. Only reason they won that game is because they wore Syracuse down for the win a couple times. They bent but didn't break inside the Red Zone where they had a kick field goals versus Syracuse punching it in and then Syracuse goes for it on fourth down one time. You see, Syracuse out there in the numbers. They're putting up that shouldn't have been like that, that should have been similar to what we did to NC State. You put your foot on them. You smash them, you make them think about it the entire time a locker. They didn't do that in the been seeing, well, BC the week before.

34:01 Had a walk off at Texas State. But field, gold Danny lost that one but its weak against you and see under a minute left or right at a minute left, they have it. That's potentially tie the game with a two-point conversion. Now they turn the ball over. That does not count as one of Carolina's, you know, turnovers game because it's an on-time down as bright educated me on about 5-10 minutes ago, they were that close to losing to be see who we know maybe by 20 with a +5 turnover. They hung on against Texas state. So when I sit here and look at it, it's like I feel like the number 18 in the country as numerous pundits have said, who they don't feel like the number 18, we country now they definitely feel like the number 18 of the country as you pointed out the they've got some some deficiencies that they're working through. I think they really have not Been able to do a good job with. Overcoming some of the mistakes that they're making. So, you know, they'll have a couple good, please make a Miss may have a negative play and all of a sudden they're putting or you have a cover turnover or, you know, whatever it may be, they're letting those negative plays really negatively impact, the amount of points that can put up on a team and on defense, you know, they're not forcing the issue with turnovers as you said.

35:33 And until they start doing those two things, I think they're going to struggle and I think we got some really We good chances to take advantage of that on Saturday, man. Absolutely, man. Our Brown. Well, let's jump into it real quick here, because obviously, we've now late everybody, the format of what Carolina looks like your analysis, the statistics and let's go through the three, pivotal players on each side of the ball for the Hokies and Brian when we got together to earlier this week, I was discussing this one. I me and you did not flinch. Who's the most important group this week for the Hokies quarterback? It's not a question.

36:18 Regardless of the start, whether it be Braxton burn mics, or as coach Fuente said, don't take talk, live on Tuesday. Hendon is full go because this is my opinion. We balance Carolina has enough Talent If I think they're rushing numbers are overinflated but I don't think we're going to hit 300 against. No I think we're going to hit 300 against them and I think what they're going to do is kind of keep some of those loaded boxes with those strong safeties and Nichols walked into the box at the edge kind of pressing things inside and essentially forcing us to run between the tackles and throw the ball to get first downs.

37:01 So I think that's what they're going to try to do and we're going to need a quarterback that can make some of those intermediate. Rose. And that's not what we've been seeing in the first two games. We've seen mostly down the field success, and a little bit in the short passing game with some of the screens, but we haven't seen a whole lot of intermediate game and until that picks up until we put some pressure on those guys, you know, between the 10 and 20 yard down the field range, I think, you know, we might have a long day if we can't do that. So hopefully, you know, my hope is that him and hookers ready to go ready to play. Say he's the man because I feel a whole lot more comfortable with the intermediate passing game with them, pulling the trigger. Yeah, me too.

37:45 Yeah. And that's why we put it on because I do feel that and then if he, then he's going to be able to call them. If they come 67 on the line load in the Box, take away the run. You looking at some short passes and stuff like that. To really open it up, Brian. I gotta give this one away earlier, but I, but we still got to talk about it. If you want to put two undersized linebackers on the a gaps against letís move on Kaufman and either Doug mr. O'Brien Hudson you go, right ahead. We've discussed it. Brian, we feel the interior part of our offensive line is very important in this game. And yeah, we believe that pop, they that that interior line in kind of open some of that the creases there for the inside Zone.

38:32 I think we're gonna have a lot of success. The way they kind of move around Sarat in the way they kind of mix up their line calls. I think they're going to try to try to press the middle and then and then funnel it outside. But if we can get some a crease in the middle there and can consistently get four to five yards on those inside Zone carries, even if we're not busting the big one, like we have the last few games, you know, I like our chances and I like some of the things we've been doing with the The with the Zone calls the outside Zona particular. We've rented a lot to the weak side but I can see us running it to the strong side. A lot more in this game just because of the alignments that they have because they tend to put that extra band towards the weak side.

39:17 So if we run strong, we might have some some numbers there. So if we're going to go outside Zone, that's probably what we would end up doing. Let me ask this to Braun. Have how good is it? Make you feel as a Virginia Tech fan, knowing Brock's the center and feeling? He, you can see from how he plays a plays with the nasty streak. Yeah, but he's also a very Petty player multiple year starter Essentially he got all last year just to study tape on people to make the calls especially when they're moving this line up and down. Yeah, that definitely makes me feel good. I mean he's going to be the guy, making the primary calls will be listening for the checks and then adjusting to those, you know, whatever alerts he's getting from the tackles or the guards. So I'm really looking forward to seeing what kind of adjustments. He makes is they kind of change things up and bring different levels of pressure and different different alignments of that defense.

40:08 So I think we have an opportunity. Take some Advantage there. Especially as the game wears on like we've seen, you know, both against NC State and against it gets do Glade, just putting them away. Third pivotal player, for the Hokies, we feel this week and Brian's kind of already highlighted it with some of the stuff Carolina does bringing guys up. And you said it, a few minutes ago, we discussed the quarterback, intermediate routes, Trey Turner. Yep, me and you kind of put it out there if Trey can get 52. I'm touches on this game the way they play trick. Never big day. What should be some of the routes? We look for that. If we're if we're popping early to Trey it's gonna be a long day for them. I think you might see like a couple like quick kind of double moves to get him a little bit of space behind the corners. Hit him like 15 yards downfield on those you're probably going to see some Slants maybe a dig but I think we're going to need really need to take advantage of Those spots on the field because within bring the Zone Blitz has, it's going to take them a while to sometimes get to where they need to be in the zone. So if we can kind of get one of those Blitz Peter routes in there, you know, we'll have a little bit of space to do some damage.

41:25 Absolutely Brian. Absolutely. And, you know, we kind of sit here and trade, you know, he's had a couple good games I think what like 60 and 50 hasn't had as many touches as you know, we've seen. But We kind of go up and we start looking and I kind of go back to last year's game Run. And you know, we sit here, you know, the 4143 game. And you know, Trey Turner that day had five receptions for 106 yards and one carry it seven. If he has that time of day, again, I think you talked about the blood theaters. The double moves, he's gotten behind that zone. I also Think if that happens and there's probably playing, I don't have the breakdown of this game, but if we can remember henin, was there almost to the end of the first half and then Ryan Willis came in.

42:22 Didn't Quincy came in so, but it kind of shows you. He can do it against this defense. Yeah, that one big touchdown sideline. The it was the fake little tunnel, they don't know, he kind of sold the block and then relief right up and night. They just, they just look down at a Beyond and like him and just on the money train. Never stop running my touchdown this like oh, we have to remember to defend people here. Yeah, it was over there. Let's talk about if humans ago. I think from a play-calling standpoint, we've definitely held a lot back. Oh yes.

43:03 Most people you talked about especially in the passing game, I think we've had a lot back in the passing game. I think We've gotten may be as creative as we're going to get in the running game, but I think there's a lot in the passing game that we haven't shown yet this year. And I think you're going to probably see some of that get broken out this weekend. Yeah, I'm going to disagree with you on one piece of that. I don't think we've gotten this created, we can with the running game because without that passing threat, because without this is my opinion. You tell me if I'm right or wrong without the passing threat, essentially those guys can come right down hill. You played that position and when you Doing some creative things running. If you can hold that linebacker for a tenth, six yards off the line versus three yards off line and it's a run play, somebody like you as an interior guard knows. He's way off the line, I'm going to get momentum and I'ma put him on his ass verses were closed.

43:58 I just need to get him engaged. I'll say this. The reason I said, I think we've gotten creative in the running game. Is that at no point last year? Did I see us in 21 personnel He'll run a fake outside Zone. Quarterback counter for a touchdown. Touche, Brian, let's flip it to the other side of the ball, you know. Obviously we talked a ton about the passing attacked of North Carolina and let's just be straight up. The Divine Diablo. Is he back? Is he not playing? Because I think he's our, no, he's definitely in there number one. Yeah, if Diablos.

44:40 Back. I feel a whole lot better. I don't feel bad if he's not but I feel a whole lot better if he is. I think we'll be fine without him. I think we'll Feast if he's in the game because I just love he just has a nose for the football man. Even if he's not making the interception or getting the fumble, I mean he's a guy that just always finds a way to be around the play in the secondary. So I really hope that he's in because I think he'll make a lot of plays for us. Absolutely. And plus his leadership back there, getting guys along getting guys in the right position. It's big. It was done very well. Last week by the makeshift group, we had in the back end, but I think having him back there will be big. Now if he's not back there, tell me, who's on the outside? What will scare me is if the same names are on that damn list at a.

45:33 Well, right before I go to a baseball game against North Carolina, Will be a little pit in my stomach because we need some of the secondary. The upper echelon. Secondary guys back. Yeah, I'd like to at least see. Hopefully Waller is is kind of feeling better and you can play and I hope that, you know, we got, we got Chapman back this week. If we can get at least those two guys back on the field. This week, I would feel a whole lot better about the secondary. Like I said, I think Devon Diablo is going to be the key but without those other two pieces, especially Without Divine back there. That would make it a really big big tall order for us to hold that. There's an offensive weapons and check. Absolutely.

46:21 And Brian you stood on the table with these three guys when we when we talked a couple days ago as we were putting this together, but why do you feel our interior defensive lineman especially Hewitt Deshawn Crawford, who looks like he is coming back and Pollard is three name. Why do you feel against this offense? They are so critical. Because I think you want to put pressure in the face of Sam, how consistently, okay, so if we're getting good press on those passing Downs, able to make him, you know get antsy feedback there, or make a throw when he's not ready or potentially, you know, just be a stone back there and staying there while he's facing the rush. And then throw it kind of at the last second and make a mistake.

47:04 So that those guys are going to be big, you know, Crawford Pollard, Hewitt. I mean really need big games from them. Beginning, you know, if we get food in there, I want to see him, you know, pressing that pocket, making some plays, but they also got to be able to tackle man because Carter will, like I said, make a guy Miss get to the second level and he can be dangerous. So when we get our hands on the running back, they definitely need to make those plays. Absolutely. You know, and we've mentioned the outside, guys, but I think to your point Brown we saw last week, With in probably why we didn't put Justice or Belmar on here this week. They know they're there, they know they're there.

47:45 They're going to be sending things to those guys now. Can they probably beat double? Yes. But I think it's I think now I understand why you put those guys because if they're getting the extra pressure then offensively it's like if we're getting pressure up the gut it's even worse because he has no pocket to step into and you talk about him being able to make resetting his feet. Making good throws as we see and we're watching. Tom. Brady here, you know, one of the all-time greats, don't throw things at me, don't drive over here and beat my butt up tonight, man. Entire career, you get the interior pressure he just becomes a shell of a quarterback.

48:30 He's still a good quarterback but he is no longer a great quarterback. Alright. Now the last guy is the one that I stood on the table. Before. And let's hope he's back this week, but I think Alan Tisdale with that range in the way he covers taken out Flats. We mentioned Michael quarter check Downs, Alan Tisdale can take that away. Yep, that's going to be his primary role in the past games, taking away those running backs, whether it's Williams or whether it's Carter, he's going to be probably responsible for handling those guys in coverage, and he's going to be responsible for. Making some players that get kind of washed outside in the running game. So if we get Carter outside he needs to come up.

49:12 Make that tackle man because again I'm going to stress it over and over tackling is going to be the key to holding this team. Similar to what BC did and what Syracuse did. And I think that if we can keep them under that 30-point range or right in that ballpark, I think we're going to be looking pretty good. All right. Hey well Brian, they released it today. Let's get our quick opinions. What do you think of the white white orange Unis? Hear what people say? You know, blah blah blah, orange is bad. We haven't played well in Orange, whatever I know. Virginia Tech is a lot like Michael Scott. They're not superstitious, but they are a little stitches. I'm not so much.

49:56 I like the orange. I think it's a good look. I like it better with the white than I did with the maroon. Yes. Very Sleek with the white. Yeah, so I'm cool with the combo. I'll let the peanut gallery complain on their own. I think the helmet. I think the very traditional white helmet helps out. Not trying to flash it out, just as white, stripe, your traditional VT, the VT squared logo there. I think that helps it, but it isn't. It is a very flashy, very Sleek. Look, so kudos to that team. Ron. Who got the 20? Of juice. I am shot. No, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does because he's shown, he can do a damn good job in 21. You're absolutely right.

50:54 And, you know, after the way he looked last week and it's clearly one of those things where he's not going to be back there every time. I'm to get kick returns but he knows when he gets out there, he's got a job and he two times last week. Absolutely flipped the field started a drives off super hot. So congrats juice on a 25. All right. Well we come Brian. It's time for a prediction I'll lead I made you lead last week's. Okay, go for it buddy, what you got? Well, first of all, I texted you earlier this week, I don't know if you remember a couple God Days ago, and I just said, I'm not feeling good about this game. First of all, it was when I just did the initial looking at the rushing stuff from from North Carolina side and knowing that they have a good offense and knowing they've been a little bit Rusty.

51:48 So I was kind of kind of, you know, thinking and if QB 1s not back and it, this is going to be tough. We're going to have to play really good. Really fundamental football. No, turnovers. We cannot have three. Turnovers. But then I dug deeper and you find out some things and I think. If either quarterback plays, I think we can win this game. I think quarterback one, please, I think in two places week, I think getting them back in shape. Last week, he probably was the third emergency quarterback. Probably did not get as many reps but just looking at this Carolina team.

52:32 The paper tiger gets crushed this week of all these wonderful numbers. Okay. 8:28 Hokies Okay, so 3828 I like it. I'm writing the same ballpark. Actually, I'm going to go. I think you be one plays, I think we do good enough on defense and I think our offense returns to a balanced nature but still run heavy or I'd say run favored. It's called run favored and I think we're able to take Take more advantage of the intermediate passing game within and hooker, in the game that's going to allow us to sustain more drives and not have to essentially run the ball down the field in order to sustain something to drive. So I'm going to go 3831 a little tighter for you. Yep, and the line right now for the game, just for our bedding audience out there.

53:39 Because I know some of the folks that listen, I'm sure degenerates. Just, that's just the way it is. That line moved in the last hour behind. Yeah, it's seven and a half as of 11:00 Eastern Standard time tonight. It is at four and a half. So the monkey continuously comes in on the Hokies for this game. Be interested to see where it is by game time Saturday which Braun, you have to watch a lot of that first half. I will be coaching my sons had a conversation with the head man. Today, like you put it on right there in this game like for real. He's just kind of smile and it's like come on man. You're killing me here, move it move it around my schedule. All right, let's let's flip it here. So, go ahead and put this in a bronze number in here, so we can keep it.

54:41 All right. Brian, dude. Back-to-back week, you are crushing people are playing bronze pics. You have a lot of money in your pocket, six in one last week. Unfortunately, in my first losing week at 3:00 and For we are both still over 500, Brian, now though is 16 and 8. So, you know, 65% winter. Unfortunately, I'm not doing that good at 13 and 11. You have been on my games at still. You want a little money but not as much as mr. Siegel here. But we're going to pick the ACC games with a couple out of conferences, against the spread.

55:29 And unless these lines here things significantly in the last little while here, I think we're all good. So let's fire it up. Run, let's start tomorrow night. Probably again, I will not be watching. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. But Georgia Tech. Louisville Louisville is the road favorite Layman four-and-a-half. What's your feeling on this? This one. Alright. GT's fuck to be twice at Louisville. Only a prince. Four and a half points.

56:29 Alright, alright. So Saturday at noon along with the Hokies kicking off here in the Commonwealth NC State Virginia UVA is laying seven and a half points. Coming off the loss. In steady state with the big win at Pitt, Brian. I'm gonna take this one and, um, I'm gonna, you know, I picked against them last week and it burned me because personally when you see the white corner back on the field, in the middle part of the third quarter of teams, essentially saying you're not going to beat us, we will play our backups and our third stringers in our Walk-Ons.

57:10 But I think NC State's going to carry some momentum in. I think Larry is the better of the two quarterbacks. We didn't have to see him because, you know, the other guy had a very good game. So give me a nice day. Say, give me seven in the hook. Okay, not so fast. Okay. Not so fast. My friend. Are you dumb about it? I'm trying to decide. I was. I'm right on the cusp here because I think I think it's going to be potentially a Down to the wire game. I think you're right about leery, being the better of the two. I think he gives them a little bit more balanced, even if he's not necessarily slinging the ball around. Like some of the other quarterbacks in the ACC, but I've seen enough consistency with UVA where I'm kind of leaning in their Direction.

58:12 I'll take NC State the last time they were a road favorite. You ready to go back to this Harmon, let's do it 1996. So we were both in Middle School. Wow. They were, they were owing, like, five against way.

58:54 Coup is wanted for Jim Caldwell is a head coach of Wake Forest and they were like a two and a half Point favorite or three and a half Point favorites. O'Brien, who are you taking in this wonderful game against one in three verses? Oh, and for all right. So I've got a little more data on this one and probably really any of the others we looked at to this. So I'm going to keep going with with the idea that Georgia Tech sucks and I'm going to say Dukes going to cover. I'm with you on that. I think Duke is finally got their Bering Strait you know last week I think they played a very good game against us or some turnover like might have figured out what not to do.

59:41 Do as far as turning the ball over I'm with you take Juke. They're going to get their first win outright so they're going to easily cover this. Alrighty, next up, Brian USBC pit up in Chestnut Hill. This one has got me back and forth because I don't think Kenny Pickett is a good quarterback, we've discussed that number But BC cannot run the damn ball whatsoever. It's oh my God. It's such a I can't do it. I think six is still too much for this. Wow he's got 13. 14 points for a few weeks on pit and looks like they lost their shirts.

1:00:33 They're like screw this. Give it six. I don't think six is enough. I think, pittle win this game. I think this will be an ugly similar to the Carolina BC game somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 421. BC covers pit probably wins this game though. Yeah, I think pit wins. I think pit wins by 7. So I'm going to pick Pizza cover, it's going to cover, I hate to do it, you hate to do it, but at the same time, I said it before I said I don't think it's going to beat any team by two touchdowns. I think they can beat a team by one touchdown. I just hope you don't get screwed. I don't know if you like the bad beat of the we yeah. You see the segment?

1:01:32 Yeah they made a bet on it and cutcliffe last second fuel gold for really no reason. Yeah, cut it. Cut have some some skin in that one. I think. Would you get one and a half kick the field goal? What do you think, Brian?

1:02:30 That is a lot of points to lay. That's a lot of points to lay. If we weren't, if they weren't starting a new quarterback, I would probably take Notre Dame. But with the new quarterback, I think there's enough potential there where you might see a little bit more life in the in the Seminoles this week. So I'm going to take FS you in the points. Yeah, I'm with you, the new quarterback getting Norville back. I think Kevin she's going to cover. I don't I don't think fsu's going to become. I'm not going to say competitive, they're probably going to That defense has the defensive line is good. The rest of the defense looks terrible but I think they do put some points up with the new quarterback there. So give me that.

1:03:17 Give me the 21. They probably lose somewhere between 17 and 20, so it might be a sweat late night, but it is what it is. All right? Brian, Let's go to the Texas state fair. Oh yeah. The river. Shootout. And it is not the Red River rivalry to anyone who grew up before like 2010. It is the Red River, shootout. It is at the Texas state fair. It is in the Cotton Bowl and Brian is I'm sitting here today and I see that this line is Oklahoma Land, two and a half.

1:03:59 Okay, what you got? This is like a legal limit bet because Texas is a tro chaisson defense. Oklahoma is bad. They're not atrocious, Texas is giving up damn near 50 points. A game and their back end is just it's awful. There's there's talented kids there metric wise, but they didn't Tommy Herman. They don't know how to coach them. So I think Oklahoma's not only going to win I think I'll go home is gonna blow their doors off, okay? I don't know what the over-under is but my assumption is take the over. Yes, let's see here.

1:04:43 Were the over is 73. So go take guys, still here where the over? I think it was 70 earlier in the week and people were just behind like it's going to be it's going to be 40 something to at least upper 30 something is in my bet. So I think you're good taking the over. Were there, I'm actually with you. I think this is Rattler Revenge here. I think we're going to see a much more polished game from him. And then we saw last week and I think they're going to just be able to light it up against that bad, Texas defense, man. So we are agreeing that Oklahoma, it's going to blow the doors off.

1:05:26 All right, this is a line that's went down in the last couple days down between the hedges. I do believe on Saturday afternoon on a sec. I'll see vs Tennessee, Georgia, Georgia, laying 12 and a half. Both coming off wins. Georgia. You know, basically Python and Auburn and what looked like a, no offense and Tennessee, putting pretty big beat down on Mizzou last week 35:12. So Brian, what are you feeling for this game?

1:06:09 Other look like a completely different team with the new trigger, man. Captain Bennett the third. Yeah, so I'm going to give me other to cover. Whoo. That is a ton of points to lay some fuck Tennessee. All right, well this is not the yard and try to do some crazy stuff.

1:07:00 I think he's going to keep it very basic for Guantanamo. I think Jordan are going to win but I think through it. And his goal is going to be we're going to make this an old-school SEC game playing the 21. And I think that Tennessee is going to get enough points probably not pretty to cover. I think, Georgia wins. I think, Tennessee covers. I think this is going to be somewhere like a 2014 2013 game. It's going to be ugly. It's one of those 330s that you have to love college. You have to love football to enjoy because it's going to be some good defensive playing. And I mean, me and you, we love football. So some people would say, how are you watching a game that is like 13-6 and it's like watch the defense watch these defenses.

1:07:54 Eat these offensive alive it. That's how and sometimes. You can say this. Those are some of the most entertaining games is just those absolute Rock fights where it's just like, people are getting hit hard. Every play in. It's awesome to see that. All right, Brian. I like it last game of the week. I will leave this one. Miami Clemson, Clemson Lane 14. Now people are gonna Say something. The big dog in the ACC Miami's on the comic, but it's absolutely true. Have you seen Clemson players if they're like, calling the dogs off and they're, you know, they're not, they're not playing as well.

1:08:44 They turn, they're not going to turn it off this week because anytime Clemson gets a team in front of them that they feel could threaten them. That is when they turn the afterburners on and just blow I think it'll be a competitive game, but I do think Clemson will pull away late and late enough to cover that 14. I think this game is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of like 4528 with Clemson score on a couple late touchdowns to get that cover often. As they start making the tackles more and more and Clemson can't burn me two weeks in a row, right, even though against the spread their terrible, but I feel like I should go try to find like, UVA was ranked going to the ACC Championship Game?

1:09:32 The lamb was minus 30. That's a lot of points when someone's like all your ranked, uh, we squish, you know, I think it's going to be a similar type description of the game as you just described there, but I think they're not going to quite cover that 14. I think it's going to be like a 10 to 12 point spread in there. So I'll take Miami in the points. But I still think it's not going to be a down-to-the-wire situation. I think it's going to be a arm's length at the end situation. One thing has changed in Collegiate football, since we've got on here Alabama Old Miss, which, I believe was supposed to be an early kick on Saturday. Has been actually moved Brian.

1:10:23 That game is now going to be a 730 kick. I believe was supposed to be a high noon kick. So you know clearly with the hurricane coming through, the Missouri LSU game was already postponed. There is one big change but what you smoking this weekend for these games. You know what, buddy? Originally I was planning a trip to my mom's but that's actually kind of been backed off. So I'm going to go with some queso I got a couple packs of chorizo in the in the freezer there and make some up with some cheese. Let's let's get it smoking and will be dipping away.

1:11:03 Unfortunately didn't have any anything else planned. So I'm I might end up picking up something at the store, but that's all I got on the docket right now. Very nice. You should go to the store. Find you some nice brisket and make you some typos. Go along with that. Yummy case. Oh man. Yeah sure. That sounds delicious dude. Alright. Anything else? Breaking run that you see? You look at the bottom line of these games and another right now, this this Bears bucks is coming down to the wire. Dude 1917, I'd love a touchdown to Allen Robinson right now to finish this game off. I don't know if I'm going to get it all though, he's got a very nice, he's down.

1:11:49 I don't know what the issue is, okay, oops, got distracted by the game. There folks live podcasting is what it does. It will not be taken out in the edit. All right, sir, that is going to wrap up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast. I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Follow us on Twitter, Facebook, subscribe to the podcast on your favorite Source, including Spotify, Amazon and apple podcast. As always, we've got our buddy, Jason Long, play us out, catch him on Spotify and apple music. We thank you. As always for listening and let's go okay's.