In this episode we take a look at the circumstances that have led to the Men's Basketball ever-dwindling tournament chances. We then turn our attention to football by diving deep into our Way-Too-Early Two Deep for the 2026 Hokies.
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And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner Podcast, along with my
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partners Brian Siegler, Jonathan
Talley, and Shelton Moss, I am
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Curtis Wilson and we are brought
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Hey man, we just got started.
I just got to start ready, man.
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It's it's, it's been, it's been
a long few weeks, Tally, and I
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think we're all going through it
in one way shape or form.
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I know Brian's been busy at
work.
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Tally, you mentioned right
before we jumped on half of your
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house is sick, which ain't never
fun because you, you, we all
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love our families.
But when people get sick, you
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don't want to be near them
because I ain't trying to get
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sick.
And Sheldon, you've been all
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over the place, man.
Yeah, man, I had AI had an
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eventful week in Blacksburg this
weekend.
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I was covering the baseball
series for William and Mary.
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So it's kind of weird being back
at my alma mater covering for
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the opposing team.
But it was great to see some
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some old folks, you know, saw,
saw, saw my boy Deacon us.
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So that was good, pretty good
series too.
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I don't know if we have many
listeners to follow the baseball
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program, but it's a pretty,
pretty good series.
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I'd say some, you know, good
funnily sound baseball was
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played.
I'd say Virginia Tech.
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Their pitching and defense will
be much improved from last year.
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I don't think they're going to
be as reliant on their hitting,
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but but yeah, it's it's good.
So I think I think hoagies
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overall look pretty good.
Tribe string looks pretty solid.
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So hopefully some things look
forward to the spring for
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baseball.
Yeah, you were mentioning which
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which one of the pitchers that
you said.
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From what you just saw of him,
he's definitely going to get
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drafted pretty high.
Yeah, Brett Renfro, he was he's
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he was their ace coming to the
season, super talented and
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obviously their number one,
their number one guy.
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It was him and Griffin Steed
with the with the top one and
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two starting pitchers.
So and this is this is draft
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year as well.
So and then also I think Preston
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Crawl, I don't know what year he
is.
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I can look him up here, but he
was filthy.
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So those two guys, yeah.
So he's a junior, so I don't
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know if he has any draft
prospects, but certainly Renfro
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and Siegar are up there as far
as you know, guys who you know,
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could get could get their name
called.
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But like I said, they will be
much better as pitching's out
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hopefully with, you know, the
new pitching coach I think came
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from Creighton has a really good
reputation.
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So hopefully we won't, we won't
see as many, you know, dreadful
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4 1/2 hour, 16 run ball games
that we did the last couple of
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years.
Dreadful.
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You know you don't like a 16 to
14 thriller, Shelton.
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Nope.
Not for me, you.
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Don't like what, 12 bombs in one
game?
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Boom.
No, if they're if they're solo
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bombs, that's fine.
It's more so just the walks, the
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hit batters, the pitching
changes.
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Just non-stop pitching changes.
Man, don't don't get me started
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on the old the old fishing
coach.
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I don't want to.
I don't want to go down the.
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Road, but Shelton Shelton is
also an Sid here Shelton when
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there's a 16 to 14 game you're
looking on like I'm going to be
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here until like 11 minimum if
it's if it's like a 6:00 start
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because it's like.
Because I got to show up, I got
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to show, I got to be the first
one there.
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I got to show up two hours, 2
hours early.
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I got to say the whole game.
I got to stay for an hour after.
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Like it's just miserable.
So, but that's what I mean.
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But at the same time I was
trying to say like, you know, we
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get paid to, I get paid to watch
sports for a living.
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So, you know, try to take the
count my blessings, so to speak.
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And that's the thing with
baseball, you know, you got to
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get 27 outs minimum, no matter
how long it takes to get there.
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Speaking of baseball, yeah,
Speaking of baseball, announced
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Jossie Seton Hall's players.
Oh.
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God.
That was.
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Horrendous.
Yeah, that's, that's the damn
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way to go, man.
That's a horrible way to go.
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In so many different ways,
because that was a three two
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game when he hit it, you know
the two run bombed.
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It would made them go up like,
like everything painful about
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that.
Everything's painful now.
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Now Speaking of baseball tally,
are y'all in full swing?
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Tomorrow's the first game, got a
double double header.
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Tomorrow starts the season off
so we will see.
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I broke my chair.
I got to get a new chair.
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So you break your chair.
Whoa, whoa, why'd you break your
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chair?
I mean I had it for like
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probably 7 years now.
OK, you know I'm a big ass man
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jumping up and down on that
chair, pushing up.
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On the West.
It just, it got to the point
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where, you know, it's one of
those chairs that fold in and
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out and it just wouldn't fold in
and out easily anymore because
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the back part disconnected and
being, you know, I just been
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fighting I've I've really needed
a newer for about two years, but
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I've been fighting against it
so.
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We, we all are that way.
I got to go get it.
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We all went that way.
I got a question now.
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Now that you got to go get a new
chair, are you going to get one
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of them like hammock swinging
chairs or you can just rock out
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there because I know.
My wife's got one.
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Yeah, my wife's got one.
I'm too big for them times, man.
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You too big for it?
OK, No man, I don't.
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I don't.
Even if I wouldn't, I don't want
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to be in that.
And they make a big man chair,
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which is what my other chair was
tall, wide, very comfortable,
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you know, got a got a cup
holder.
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So I'll be going and hopefully
can find that one.
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I think I got it from Academy
last last time I got it.
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So I'll be going to look for one
like the one I had somebody
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says, who's that?
Oh, that's bag bag said the
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rockers are nice.
You know what, man, I'm real
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weird about chairs.
Like, I'm real weird about like
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baseball chairs and the Rockers
are pretty cool, but once they
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start squeaking, it sounds like
a scary movie.
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So I'll be at the game and
somebody will be in one of those
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damn rocking chairs and you
hear, and I'm like, Michael
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Myers is on the way.
You know, I'm not paying
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attention to the picture because
I'm hearing that damn squeaking
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chair.
So shout out to the people who
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got squeaking chairs and won't
spray them with WD40.
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Spray your chairs, man.
Spray your chairs, people,
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because it gets annoying when
Charlie's sitting there trying
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to watch his son pitch and you
just squeeze, squeeze squeeze,
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squeak like.
Trying to yell at the I'm trying
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to yell at the umpire and y'all
got them squeaking chairs
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interrupting my thought process.
Can't get my cuss words
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together.
Like, is he mad at me?
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Umpire's like, is he talking to
me or is he just stumbling over
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his words over there?
Who knows?
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All right, Well, it has been a
few weeks since we last came in,
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but there's not a lot been going
on.
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Yes, the press conference
happened, but.
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I I watched.
It I listened to it, it was
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cool.
Don't ever get Mike feedback on
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James Franklin.
He will come after your ass in a
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heartbeat.
We all learned that.
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But it wasn't a lot.
It wasn't, you know, you maybe
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got to know Ty Howell a little
bit better.
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Like if like he was talking
about his dad.
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Well, me and Brian had already.
We all knew his dad was a high
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school football coach down in
Bonn.
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His we had buddies down there
who already knew.
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Oh, yeah.
Coach so and so.
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Yeah.
Long time legend down in Bonn,
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though it wasn't anything
revealing.
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He's always been here.
As we know, they're not going to
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give you much on those
interviews and they're not going
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to get a lot anyway.
Like who's the number one
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defensive end?
Like you ain't giving that shit.
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So that was cool.
But what we're going to do
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tonight, since it was finally
revealed, we're going to talk
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about the complete sports
support staff for football a
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little bit.
And yes, Sir.
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Hey, before we get into that, I
want to ask Shelton a question.
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All right.
Sheldon, do you think because
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I've been looking at all of the
the media people that have kind
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of been in an uproar about
access and not being, you know,
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not getting a lot from the new
staff or not getting a lot from
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James Franklin and me knowing
that you are in, you know, media
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positions and things like that.
Now that we've seen kind of two
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spectrums of coaching with
Fuente and Pry, Fuente not much
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access, very closed off, Pry
really open, very fan friendly.
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What do you think makes the best
coach for the media?
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So I would say that's an
interesting question because I
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feel like the, the, the fan
perception of Fuente was so much
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because he just wasn't openly
like he didn't really openly
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embrace the fan base and like he
he did, he did close off the
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media to some degree, but he
also just wasn't the most, you
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know, folksy, engaging person in
the world.
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I think from from the people
that I've talked to, I think
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it's more so they want access to
the players and to be able to
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speak to the players that they
want.
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And so that's based on, you
know, what the what the Sid and
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the coaches, you know, who they
make available.
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I would say from the people that
I've talked to cover the team,
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they were a little bit
frustrated by some of the media
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availabilities, you know, just
not getting certain players in
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on time are not getting players
that they requested, which is,
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you know, that's just part of
the game.
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But I think the best, the, I
mean, the best coach is 1 who's,
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you know, open and transparent
and, you know, allows people to,
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you know, to, to seek the
stories that they, they, they
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want to cover.
So without knowing exactly what
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Franklin's doing, it sounds to
me like Franklin's been, you
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know, it's going to be pretty
intentional with like Travis
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about, you know, OK, this is
what we're doing like this.
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I'm, I'm running the show here.
So we'll see how that goes.
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But I do think that, you know,
there, there are some things
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that could be managed better
when it comes to Vt media
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relations.
I'll I'll say that without going
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too too many.
OK, Yeah, I don't want to get
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you.
I don't want to get you in no
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trouble.
I just wanted to, I just wanted
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your take on that because I was
kind of sitting back in the
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wings and kind of seeing some
tweets and looking at some
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things that people say.
I always say the best coach is
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the one that's winning.
You ain't got to talk to me at
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all.
Just if you winning then I'm OK
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with it.
But when you start losing, hey,
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you got to answer some
questions.
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Well, I like the way because
Franklin didn't address that in
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the press conference because he
was like, I know y'all got jobs
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doing all these stories and
we're going to like figure that
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out.
What he's basically saying to
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them is I'm not going to
completely shut you out, but you
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ain't going to be running around
Merriman all the time doing
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whatever you want when Brent was
head coach will be intentional
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about it.
You'll get your stories, you'll
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get the players we want you to
get, but it ain't going to be a
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free for all no more.
Let's let's do this.
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Let let's put it in terms that
Curtis and I know pretty well
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like, so if, if you're, if
you're a, if you're a classroom
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teacher, right, and you go in
into the start of the new year,
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you got this fresh set of people
in your class.
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You're not going to start off at
whatever your, your most liberal
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situation would be as far as
classroom management.
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You're going to start probably
about as tight as you as you can
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get.
And as you get comfortable with
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them and they get comfortable
with you, you'll figure out how
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you can stretch that a little
bit where, where the limits are
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with that.
You're not going to come in
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there because it's a whole lot
of a lot harder to rein things
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back in once you've allowed
something that it is to slowly
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loosen your grip on the reins as
you go along.
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That is the truth.
It's a lot tougher to close it
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once it's been opened and that
can be the case in so many
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different ways and so many
different lights.
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So good point there, Brian, Good
point.
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All right, before we get into
football with Toy Talk staff and
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then what we're going to do
tonight is we did a blind depth
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chart.
We just said we think this is
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going to be the depth chart the
best how many ever we chose in
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each position.
But before we get into all that,
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we got to talk basketball for a
couple of minutes and I'm going
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to I'm going to I'm going to
take the lead on this because a
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few weeks ago after a loss, I
can't remember which one it was.
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I buddy fill over at moments on
the Merry Mari texted me and he
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said Mike Young's got to be
fired.
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He's like he's got to be fired.
And and and at first I was kind
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of oh, come on, man, I mean, you
know, we're having a better
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season than last year.
It's Yadi Yadi.
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He's like, no, he's just got to
be fired.
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And we started the conversation
and, and then Tally I, I brought
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that to y'all and Tally, you
jumped right in and you agreed
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pretty quick with Phil.
Yeah, well, I didn't want to be
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the first person to go, but
because people already know how
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I feel, you know?
Like it's what you said, it's
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what you.
Said, I mean, I've been, I've
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been kind of on that.
Now let me say this, Mike Young
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has showed me that he can coach,
he's a good coach, but at some
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time, you know, at some point it
just doesn't work.
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And like I keep telling people,
because I've had some people say
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in the chat, you know, or we
don't have enough money for
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basketball or, you know, we
don't do this.
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If you're making millions of
dollars as a coach, you're
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expected to do certain things.
If you can't get that done, it
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may be time just to move on.
Even if you have the same exact
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resources, even if you pay the
next person the same exact
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money, I'm not saying you have
to go get somebody in our eyes
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better or more experienced or
this.
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Sometimes you just need some new
blood.
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Mike Young's been here since
what, 2019?
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Is it 2019?
Yeah, he's been here since like
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2019.
And again, he's done a he's done
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a pretty decent job for for what
He's been the hands that he's
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been given.
I just think that the game has
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passed him by and you have to
move on because you never know
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who's the next hot thing until
you try it.
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Like, look at Miami's coach.
He was a assistant for however
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many years and then he gets
hired.
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You know, Miami has their long
time coach that leaves because
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he don't want to deal with NIL.
Understandably, They hired this
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dude, you know, a little bit
younger coach.
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He comes in and brings a whole
new energy.
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They don't want 21 games this
year.
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You know, look at look at UVA,
which, you know, again, I know
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these are different programs,
but sometimes new blood isn't a
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bad thing.
UVA got put in a bad spot by
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Tony Bennett leaving.
But he did, you know, he he he
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left the way that he left, but
they go out and make a high.
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This guy comes in, he's changed
kind of the game of how UVA
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plays, but he's still got them
playing at a high level.
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So I just think that, you know,
tech needs something else.
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That's just my opinion, I don't
know what that something else
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is, but I just feel like they
need some new fresh blood in to
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try to turn the corner and do
something different.
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Who's going to jump in?
I'm Shelton, whoever wants to
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see.
Brian, do you want to take?
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Shelton, do you want to?
Go, come on, Brian, you look
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like you got something to say.
Yeah, let's go, Brian.
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You want me to go?
All right, I'll go.
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Yeah, you do that.
Go.
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There you go.
The, the way I, I'm looking at,
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at Mike Young at this point, I
think we've got enough games out
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there where we've seen what he
can do, what he can't do.
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Was talking to these fellows
earlier today and I'm like,
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he's, he's pretty much shown
himself as a very, you know, the
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floor for his teams is very
high.
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He's going to get a good amount
out of the players on his
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roster.
I think sometimes he's not
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developing that at the high end.
So like the ceiling is very
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dependent on the chemistry of
the team, both from a ability
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standpoint and from, you know,
the team chemistry in general.
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That's why you see, you know,
you can get those very high
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highs, but all the pieces have
to be in place for that to be,
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you know, for for them to really
reach that level.
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And we've seen that really
happen one time.
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And beyond that, it's it's like
they're good enough just to be
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at that, at that cut level, at
that cut line for the
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tournament.
And it only takes one or two bad
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games to to put you on the other
side of that.
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And, you know, this season has
been the classic of dropping the
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games that you have, you, you,
you can't close them out.
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You know, we we've seen that
pretty consistently, I think
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throughout this year.
And and that's where you get to
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a point of, yeah, is this
coaching?
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It may be, it may be, it may not
be.
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But if it's not getting done,
then you need to try something
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different.
Yeah, So I'd say, I'd say, you
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know, my my basic stick on Mike
Young is like obviously a flawed
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coach.
I think he's good with the
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offensive X and those, but I
think they're you know, there's
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just certain things like program
management wise, attention to
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detail that I think can be
lacking at times.
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Recruiting again, we know it's a
different ball game now.
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I know he's not gotten the
resources that, you know, he
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would like.
I do also think that he's not
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the type of coach that's going
to fight tooth and nail to get
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more resources.
He's just not the type of guy
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He's a he's a he's a nice guy,
which is great, But I just
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think, you know, sometimes you
got you got to be an asshole and
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and demand, you know, more, more
resources if you want them.
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And he just he's not got to do
that.
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I think he's a coach who is a
very good fit for a school who
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does not, you know, have AI
guess you could say a cutthroat
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basketball following.
You know, we are a football
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school.
We're investing in football now
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and you know, basketball has
played second fiddle and maybe
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that's fine.
So I think you know, BT should
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ask themselves.
You know, what is our what is
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our expectation level for
basketball?
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Like, do we want to fund this
thing a lot or just a little
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bit?
If you want to fund it a little
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bit and get, you know, decent
results on a shoestring budget,
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I think Mike Young is your guy.
But I think, you know, at the
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end of the day, if you feel
like, you know, you weren't
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making progress, then, you know,
maybe it's time to push him out
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the door and you know, you can,
you know, ask him to retire or
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not renew his contract and then
try to find, you know, younger
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coach, like Tali said, the guy
Miami is doing a really good job
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this year.
So I don't know.
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I, I think, you know, obviously
the the resources, as we, as
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we've seen with coach Franklin,
you know, the resources play
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plays a huge part in your
ability to acquire talented
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coaches.
So again, that's kind of the
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rub.
It's like, you know, if you do
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move on for Mike Young, what
type of coach you're going to
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get?
Again, I like Brian said, I
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think he he will, you know, make
a, a decent team out of scratch.
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But there is a but there is a
ceiling there.
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And I do think this team has
underperformed a little bit, you
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know, just based on the talent
they have, the roster
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construction, I I think they
could, they could do a little
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bit better than they are.
I know they're, you know,
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they've got some flaws, but I
just think, you know, it's not
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quite, they're not quite playing
as a team.
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And whether that's the players,
the coaching, I don't know.
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But you got to get better
results.
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So, well, I guess that's a long
winded way of saying we'll see
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what happens in about a year or
two.
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Well, it can't be a year or two.
It's going to be a year at most
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because his contract ends
basically this town next year.
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And I think that's why Phil came
to me and said, I mean, he's got
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to be fired because you can't
extend him because he's got one
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year left.
Can you really extend him after
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what's happened this year?
You can't because to your point,
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Shelton, this is a talented
team.
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This is a talented team.
And I would say we're 17 and 10.
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If this team was 20 or 21 and
seven or eight, I don't think
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we'd have a conversation right
now.
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It would probably be we're in
the tournament extend like 2
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years.
But I think now it's the point
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that you said, do they want him
to go out on his own terms?
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And if they have him go out on
his own terms, then there
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there's somebody sitting on the
bench that's probably got to
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automatically be put in the
position.
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Similar to what happened at
Miami with Jim Larronega and the
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assistant coach there.
Similar what happened with Tony
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Bennett when he decided in
October of 2024 that he didn't
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want to coach anymore because
this was just this era sucked.
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So to me, if they choose to go
with someone here, I know the
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name Chester Fraser.
Some people are like, hell no,
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do not make him head coach.
Some people are like, why not
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ankle hurt anything.
If you go ahead and put that
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moniker on someone, then yeah,
I'm fine keeping him for a year
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because at least you get to keep
the continuity of the current
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staff.
But you basically get to say,
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yeah, Mike's coaching next year,
that's it.
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And then after that it's Chester
show, so you can sell something,
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but the reality.
You don't want to lame duck you.
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Like you do not want to, you
can't have.
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A lame can't recruit, you can't
do anything.
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You can't do anything.
So it's effectively this is
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where Wit is an AD.
Wit has to make the decision of
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what he wants to do and how he
wants to play out basically a
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month from now, unless something
crazy happens in the next month,
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which I just can't foresee
happening after what's happened
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after last night's loss and not
Even so much last night's loss.
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And I know, yes, yes, I had
someone at work today come to
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me.
Florida State's not as bad as
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their record is, I know that.
But that was a game.
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And you got just absolutely
murdered second-half.
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Murdered.
They folded.
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They quit.
And and and and and and and.
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It goes back and everybody's
like, well, that's on the
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players tally.
You always talk about it.
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If the players start quitting
and the players can't be
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cohesive, guess who's getting
paid $3.6 million to not make
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them quit and to keep them
cohesive?
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Who is it?
It's.
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The coach.
It's the coach.
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Let me ask you this, Let me ask
you all this.
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Where do you think this roster
ranks in terms of the most
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talented rosters Mike Young has
had during his tenure?
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Second most talented roster.
That's about where I have.
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I'd say 2, maybe three.
You can make an argument for
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three, but I think I think 2 is
where I put it.
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I put it at 2:00 and and that's
putting and that's not putting.
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2121 that won the ACC tournament
is like 3 to me.
440
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,280
That's that's the one I was
waffling 2:00 to 3:00 on. 2020
441
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,000
was the most talented team he
had and unfortunately because
442
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,040
they were in if if y'all can go
back and remember, I mean it's
443
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,240
been 6 years which is freaking
nuts.
444
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,360
That team was in.
We were like, at this point in
445
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,200
time, it's like techs in the
question is, are they going to
446
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
be a 7 or they're going to be a
four?
447
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,320
Can they do something late in
the season, make a deep run in
448
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,120
the tournament?
That team was talented.
449
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,520
The next year was similar to
waffling and then they got hot.
450
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,040
But to me, this is the second
most talented team he's had.
451
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,880
Yeah, I it's certainly like in
terms of like raw individual
452
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,000
talent, definitely.
Again, like I was saying though,
453
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,880
I just don't know if it, it just
hasn't really kind of gelled
454
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,560
cohesively.
Like if you were to ask me that
455
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,360
question, I'd say like probably
the second most talented team,
456
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,120
but like that 22 team, they
might not have been like as as
457
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,120
talented from like a pure
basketball perspective, but they
458
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,440
were experienced.
They knew Mike Young's system
459
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,360
and they were just so skilled
and just played so well as a
460
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,240
team together.
I think again, and and that's
461
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,720
where Mike is at his best, where
he's got experienced guys with
462
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,880
no system who play together as a
team.
463
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,040
He just hasn't been able to, to
recapture that obviously because
464
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,360
of the Portland and IL and, and
again, funding is again a
465
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,920
factor, but this year's team
just doesn't I, I just feel like
466
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,520
they're not, they're not like
the sum of the parts, you know,
467
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,480
they just don't, it just doesn't
mesh entirely well.
468
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,680
Yeah, yeah.
And that that's, that's the
469
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,920
part, that's the hard part when
it comes to basketball and when
470
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,320
you have to answer those
questions.
471
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,960
When you talk about the most
talented team, it's like when
472
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,520
you look at player by player, it
may be OK, this player is more
473
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,200
talented than this player and
you can go down the starting 5,
474
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,120
whatever the case may be, But
the team that may not be the
475
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,000
most talented plays Better
Together.
476
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,640
Like the teams that were led by
Storm Murphy played much more
477
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,680
cohesive than the teams led by
Nico or Neo, excuse me, and Ben
478
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Hammond.
I think both of those, I think
479
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Ben Hammond and Neo are more
talented players than just say
480
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,560
like Storm Murphy or even Sean
Padula.
481
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,960
But at the same time, in that
system that he has, those
482
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,840
certain players are going to
work better.
483
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,600
So it's so hard to critique
where the team ranks, you know
484
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,800
what I'm saying?
So that's that's my dilemma.
485
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480
And I just feel like that's why
I keep saying that I think the
486
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,000
game kind of has passed him by.
Not saying in a bad way that
487
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Mike Young doesn't need to
coach.
488
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,040
I I don't want people to think
that I'm just crapping on him.
489
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,520
But I'm just saying in certain,
certain settings, it don't work.
490
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,440
You know what I'm saying?
Like I watched my son play
491
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,640
certain teams and I'm like, this
don't work.
492
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,760
You know, if you got a team full
of guards, why do we want to
493
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,880
slow the game down and set stuff
up?
494
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,080
We don't have a big man get the
ball off the rim and get to the
495
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200
other rim, you know, just things
like that so.
496
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Well, and and you know, the the
sad part is you mentioned that
497
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,400
tally about not having a true
big man, although Horn and the
498
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,840
other kid do well, but it's not
built.
499
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,800
But before Toby Lewall went down
and I do think that's a big
500
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720
piece.
How many times were they
501
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,120
rebounded and just with him and
Neo and with him and just push
502
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760
like something we never seen in
a Mike Young system.
503
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,800
They were pushing an alley oop
dunks right to.
504
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,800
The rail, I think, Neil.
He got hurt.
505
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,680
That just completely screwed.
Everything I think Neil's heard
506
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240
and he they're not saying it.
I don't.
507
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,400
I think they're just making him
play through it.
508
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,600
He plays like he's hurt.
To me.
509
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,800
Me watching him play early in
the season, it could be a
510
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,760
confidence thing, but I think
something's wrong with it.
511
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Could be, and that's the thing.
Sometimes you just don't know.
512
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,000
And if it is a confidence thing,
if it's, if it's, if it's not
513
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
injury, like you say tally and
it is truly a confidence thing.
514
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,440
I'm I'm going to say it back
again.
515
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,760
That's what coaches are supposed
to do.
516
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,640
Coaches are supposed to build
that confidence.
517
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,360
And, and, and if you can't do it
yourself as the head coach, then
518
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,960
you know how to step back and
get an assistant and who he
519
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640
vibes with and to get his
mentality and to get his
520
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520
confidence back up.
That's what coaching is.
521
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640
I was, I was having a
conversation today.
522
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Shelton I know Brian has coached
his son Tally, You've coached
523
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,600
yours.
I've coached hours.
524
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,760
But we've helped with teams,
right?
525
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,600
You ever talk to a kid and try
to help them and you just see it
526
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
that whatever you're saying it,
it ain't it ain't clicking.
527
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,080
And you got to walk away.
And Shelton, you might have the
528
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,480
experiences as well.
And you just walk away and you
529
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040
go tell another coach, help them
do this fundamental task.
530
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,720
For whatever reason, I can't get
through to them.
531
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,200
And then the next coach comes up
perfect.
532
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,960
You know, they they stroke it
off the tee or Brown.
533
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520
They know why I played soccer
for years.
534
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Like, oh, they know exactly what
to do now.
535
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Yeah.
And there, there, there's no
536
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,760
difference.
It's the same message.
537
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,360
It's just a different voice.
But again, that's coaching.
538
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,200
That's someone saying I can't
relate to that kid or get that
539
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,000
information to him or build that
confidence up.
540
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,800
I've got to step back and I got
to put somebody else in so.
541
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920
It's funny because you know
when, when people get, you know,
542
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,080
we can, we can call it the yips,
we can call it whatever we want
543
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,000
to call it.
When you, when you get into a
544
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,800
funk, you get into this lack of
rhythm, you know everything
545
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,520
else.
You got to understand the
546
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,840
personality that you're working
with and you know, everybody's
547
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,200
going to be different.
You know, some guys to get their
548
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,800
confidence back, they need you
to trust them, keep trusting
549
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,200
them, give them those those
shots, give them those
550
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,000
opportunities.
Some people need you to kind of
551
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,320
refocus them on the part of
their game that is successful.
552
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
So they have a foundation to
build off of.
553
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920
So it it's really about kind of
finding out what's going to work
554
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
for that individual person.
They really, you know, get over
555
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720
whatever hump they're they're
they're experiencing.
556
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840
And, and it doesn't look like,
you know, if it's not an
557
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280
interrelated issue that Mike
Young hasn't been able to find
558
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,840
that with Neo, especially since
we really gotten into ACC play.
559
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,400
I feel like, you know, we got an
ACC play and it just, he's been
560
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,040
the different animal in a bad
way.
561
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,440
You know, he's had a he's had a
couple games where he's looked,
562
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,280
you know, somewhat like the the
player we saw early in the
563
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,840
season, but for the most part,
you know, lack of confidence,
564
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,480
inconsistent play, you know,
about a one to one assist to
565
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,280
turnover ratio in a lot of
games.
566
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Like it's just it's, it's not
what you want to see all.
567
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Right.
Well, First things first.
568
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,720
I did not expect us to go 20
plus minutes on basketball, but
569
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640
we just went 20 plus minutes on
basketball.
570
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,320
So clearly things are out there.
The season's not over, but they
571
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,240
are going to have to have to me
a six or seven game win the
572
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,000
streak to get in the tournament
and that means closing out with
573
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,320
two big wins on the road 2
should be wins and then a couple
574
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,680
in the tournament to get in.
All right, let's get over here.
575
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Let's talk some football and a
quick.
576
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Quick shout out to women's team
though.
577
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,560
Women's basketball doing very
well.
578
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Had a couple big wins in
California so just want to give
579
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400
them a shout out.
And they are technically, if I
580
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,840
looked at the last thing that we
saw, they're in, right?
581
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Yes, they got a very good spot.
I think I'll make it.
582
00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,480
OK, so the women's spot in
hopefully they can make it.
583
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,560
I feel like Megan Duffy's put a
is putting teams together,
584
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,880
putting good recruits together.
But I think the best part about
585
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,120
where she is, she's in year 2,
NIT last year, get the
586
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,080
tournament bid this year.
That like it's stepping stones
587
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,880
to me with women's suits versus
men's suits, like men's suits.
588
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,360
We want we want it now women's
hoops, it's like it's going to
589
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,400
take a few years.
That's cool.
590
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
We get it.
All right, flip it over to
591
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,520
football.
Let's talk about the support
592
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:34,120
staff and all the guys who are
part of that because and when I
593
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,400
say support chef, I'm truly
meaning on field guys or
594
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,600
directly related strengths and
conditions staff out there.
595
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
You know, me and Brian looked at
it that got moved one up.
596
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,440
We saw, if you hadn't seen Chuck
Lucy's video today, everybody
597
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840
see it.
Everybody see a little snippet
598
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,400
of him in the way in the room
today.
599
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,040
I that man seems like he can
motivate, but we're talking
600
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,560
truly on the field and this is
the largest support staff techs
601
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760
ever had.
It is slowly but surely creeping
602
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,200
to levels of true top 25, top 30
teams.
603
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,400
There are a total of 14 support
staff members this year.
604
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200
That includes 4 analysts along
with 10 assistant positional
605
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,960
coaches.
I know what I want to talk about
606
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,000
but I want to kind of slowly get
there.
607
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,080
But let me let me ask y'all
this.
608
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Is anyone surprised that this
much emphasis you know, we're
609
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,240
talking about I think it was 10
last year and you're basically
610
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,520
talking about going up almost
50% this year with more support
611
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,200
staff and effectively analysts
this year.
612
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Are y'all shocked by that in any
way?
613
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Not shocked.
I think, you know, when, when
614
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,200
everyone was talking about the
staff spend and you're not
615
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,840
necessarily targeting high
dollar coordinators and things
616
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,480
like that.
You know, money's being spent,
617
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,400
just it's being spent in a
different way than I think some
618
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,520
of us expected it to be.
And you know, the, the biggest
619
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,560
piece is, is the analyst that we
have on board, you know, looking
620
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,159
at looking at these guys, I
mean, these are, you know, kind
621
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,120
of heavy hitters.
I, I, I would call them in terms
622
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,920
of, you know, bringing analysts
on board from Virginia Tech.
623
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,880
So I'm excited to talk about
them a little bit.
624
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Sheldon Talley, any shock that
the support staff is this big or
625
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,840
you think this is the the cost
of doing business and also the
626
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719
the thing about having James
Franklin on staff?
627
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,840
Yeah, definitely both.
I think, you know, that's kind
628
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,480
of just the way that departments
operate these days.
629
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,120
I've gotten my my thoughts about
that.
630
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,159
But the game is the game.
So you got to you got to pay to
631
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,480
keep up.
And they also loosened up some
632
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,040
of the restrictions on the
number of assistant coaching you
633
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,160
can have because, you know, back
in the old days, we'd have, you
634
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,080
know, Jerry Kill be hired as
like an assistant to the staff.
635
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,840
And then, you know, he'd be
like, you know, coaching, but
636
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160
not coaching on the side.
So Vince was like, all right,
637
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,120
we're just going to get rid of
that.
638
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,280
You can coach, you can hire as
many coaches as you want to.
639
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,920
So they've taken full advantage
of that.
640
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,520
And like I said, I think
Franklin's very, he's a stickler
641
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,160
about details.
He wants to have every, every
642
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680
position filled, you know, every
little nook and crane that he
643
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,040
can find some sort of, you know,
competitive advantage, you know,
644
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,600
have people, you know, kind of,
you know, delineate those
645
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,440
responsibilities to other people
in the room so that no one's
646
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,760
really overworked.
I I think is, is philosophy.
647
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,520
So just a combination of, you
know, having, having the money
648
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,880
to spend it, Obviously you're,
you're going to spend it.
649
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,800
And I think Franklin kind of
knows what he's doing there.
650
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,080
So not surprised at all.
That's what I'm saying, yeah,
651
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,520
definitely not surprised.
And I feel like it's needed, you
652
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,520
know what I'm saying?
You got this, what, 105 kids on
653
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,840
on the roster down.
The more staff you have, the
654
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,840
more eyes you have on them to be
able to connect with them, watch
655
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,280
them having more people in the
weight room, having more
656
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,120
strength and conditioning staff
help because each group will
657
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,280
have a strength coach with them,
you know, and it comes down to
658
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,000
making sure people are getting
those reps in that last Rep, you
659
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,880
know, because when you got
somebody going to school and
660
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,840
then that 160 when they get
there and 163 to four years
661
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,640
later, what are we doing?
100% on that. 100% on that,
662
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Yeah.
So anything else tally?
663
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Is it all right?
I mean, it is the IT is the
664
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,840
makings of a true Division One
staff.
665
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,120
And I think that's, I love what
Jim put up there and I think I
666
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,720
put it up for a second, but it's
like you get away from the mom
667
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,280
and Popeye.
We're going to do, we're going
668
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,640
to do, we're going to do more
with less.
669
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,840
No, we're going to do more with
more because that's the only way
670
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,960
it can be done nowadays.
Now we look, we got the list
671
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,880
here.
Y'all can see it on Virginia
672
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,240
Tech's website here.
But I'm I'm going to go to
673
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:09,480
Shelton because Shelton, as you
looked through the support staff
674
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,320
as high as were being made, like
which one did just popped out at
675
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,480
you and it's like, I love that
hire like that makes me happy.
676
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Well, I'll be kind of revealing
my bias here because you guys
677
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,320
know it would be my fan.
So you guys stole our our head
678
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,320
coach, Danny Rocco, who's being
an analyst, I guess his title's
679
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,240
senior defensive analyst for
offense.
680
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,240
I guess they just make up any
title you want these days.
681
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,200
But he'll be analyzing the
analyzing the defense, whatever
682
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,840
he's going to be, he's going to
be analyzing something.
683
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,400
I know that for sure.
And they got his his kid in
684
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,120
there, Dave Rocco as well, and
then Greg Wood.
685
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,040
So I actually, I'm very well
familiar with the work that he
686
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,080
did.
Assistant special teams coach,
687
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,200
he did a fantastic job at VMI.
He produced several FCS all
688
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Americans.
I think some long snappers
689
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,720
kicking game wasn't wasn't quite
as good in some years, but I
690
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:05,920
think that's more of a more of a
talent thing.
691
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,320
But he he did a great job at
VMI.
692
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Both those guys did relative to,
you know, the, the challenges of
693
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,400
that school.
So again, just just the fact
694
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480
that like I know the work that
they did personally, you know,
695
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,640
kind of like, I guess you know,
kind of puts the gives me some
696
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,920
inside info there, but I think
those are two pretty awesome
697
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040
hires.
Nice tally.
698
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,240
What about you?
I don't know how much in depth
699
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,240
and research you did on them,
but of all these support staff
700
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,800
hires, any of them catch your
eye?
701
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,440
Any of them you like.
Just a lot of different ones of,
702
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,920
you know, the Rocco family just
because Sheldon put that, you
703
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,120
know, talk to us about it.
But I like the the Conchlin hire
704
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,040
as well, you know, just being
able to have somebody else with
705
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,800
some, you know, coaching
experience and another analyst
706
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,360
that you can lean on because you
know, defense has been Achilles
707
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,160
heel for us as of late.
So again, I don't know, they
708
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,160
kind of make up different things
for what these people are, but I
709
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
think conference going to help
with the defense as far as being
710
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,400
an analyst.
So where did he coach?
711
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,360
He was a head coach somewhere.
He.
712
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,000
Was a head coach at Wofford.
There we go.
713
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,960
So head coach at Wofford, you
know, and to bring them home and
714
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,360
again, to have more eyes to be
like, hold on that don't look
715
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,480
right because we need them.
Our eyes on pry, pry.
716
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,760
The eyes are on you, buddy.
We we still don't know how we
717
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,720
feel.
We think you're a good guy.
718
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,440
I don't want to say happy that
you're here.
719
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,720
You're here.
So it is what it is.
720
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:53,080
But we still still got to have
as many eyes eyes on you as we
721
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,760
can get.
So man man, James Franklin mess
722
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,800
with our your Internet here.
You're starting to speak bad of
723
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960
his boy pride cutting you in and
out, Tally.
724
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,520
He said he hears that.
It's just that's just like Mike
725
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,800
feedback.
Off man, I don't.
726
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,240
Like that noise?
Alright, Brian, I I got a
727
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,720
feeling who you're going to
mention so.
728
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,960
So I mean, you know, we've
talked a bunch about both of
729
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:37,200
these guys, but you know, I feel
like Warren Ruggiero like that,
730
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,640
that's a big deal.
You know, when we were talking
731
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,320
that offensive side, defensive
side was like Ruggiero and
732
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Conklin are like, I couldn't
have really picked up a a couple
733
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,880
of gets for offensive and
defensive analysts.
734
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,200
They could have been much better
than that.
735
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,320
Yeah.
But but now you bring in
736
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,720
Ruggiero, I mean, I think that's
his his resume is is just
737
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,520
impressive.
What he's been able to do on the
738
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:11,240
offensive side of the ball has
been really incredible in his
739
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,080
career.
You know, seeing what they were
740
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,360
able to do with, with some of
the things that, you know, he
741
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,200
was able to do with Iowa as an
analyst this year.
742
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,880
Yeah.
They that that offense was not
743
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,880
an Iowa off and like an improved
entity, if, if you will, even if
744
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,640
not a juggernaut on the
offensive side of the ball.
745
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,160
Yeah.
So, you know, you've got that
746
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,800
experience there.
We saw what he was able to do at
747
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,320
Wake Forest.
I I just think this is a guy
748
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,440
that has seen a lot of football
and it's going to really help a
749
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,640
young coordinator like how kind
of get his feet under him as he
750
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,080
gets into this role.
Yeah, you mean y'all, y'all kind
751
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,200
of hit all the guys that are out
there.
752
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Plus, you know, you bring some
staff continuity back with guys
753
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:11,040
like Cam Phillips, Vay Winslow,
Mike Mosinko, who was a tight
754
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,600
end coach going to QB.
Mosinko was AQB in his true
755
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,200
life, so him coach Titans make
sense.
756
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,360
But the one question, the one
thing that is a little out here
757
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,320
and we were discussing about it,
Brian Chris is still on staff in
758
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,960
an endless role.
This man has now survived the
759
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Fuente era, He survived the
prior era, and he's living his
760
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,080
life in the Franklin era.
Brian was very nice, Curtis.
761
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,760
I think this fits him good.
Brian was being very nice to
762
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Brian.
Chris, you were like, don't
763
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,760
crack, baby.
He's like, it's this is going to
764
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,280
be the best role he's been in
because of all the.
765
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840
City don't crack.
Because of all these guys, he
766
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,640
and his resume, it doesn't come
close to Rosiero's, Danny
767
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,240
Rocco's or Josh Complans.
Not even close.
768
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,040
He's never been a head coach.
He's never been in OC, you know,
769
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Ruggiero OC long time never been
a head coach.
770
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Danny Rocco successful at
Richmond, successful at
771
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Delaware.
He's a top three all time handy
772
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,680
city quarterback.
Curtis get off that snap.
773
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,720
So, so, so Shelton, me and Brian
have been discussing this and
774
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,920
and and and you're kind of like,
well, these are weird ass titles
775
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,080
for Rocco and Chris.
Senior defensive analyst for the
776
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,400
offense, senior offensive
analyst for the defense.
777
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Well, you start thinking about
it.
778
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Well, wait a second.
What they're doing here is
779
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,360
basically they are giving the
coordinators basically a
780
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,880
Brigadier General with their
true analysts, and then they're
781
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,120
basically giving them another
Brigadier General as the analyst
782
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,720
for the offense.
And what they're doing in that
783
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,280
sense is probably, and this is
just thinking high level to look
784
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,240
at the titles.
Probably Danny Rocco's job is
785
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:55,400
going to be to point out to Ty
Conklin, this team does this
786
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
really good on defense, and this
is how going to attack your mesh
787
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,280
point.
This is how they're going to
788
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,800
attack scene.
So as you start thinking about
789
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,080
the structure is their job is to
Brian, go ahead.
790
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,440
You had it much more out of when
we talked about scout teams and
791
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,240
all this stuff.
So why is it structured this
792
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,600
way?
Brian, get into a little bit
793
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,040
what we talked about earlier.
And yeah, I mean thinking about
794
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,800
it from a from a structure and
standpoint like you, you've got
795
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,480
a senior defensive analyst for
the offense.
796
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:27,840
So you've got basically someone
that is breaking down how they
797
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,960
would approach attacking the
scheme that you employ week to
798
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,480
week relative to the game plan
and and scheme of the opponent,
799
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,480
working out scout team scripts
to be used in practice.
800
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,840
Like there, there's so many
different things that this type
801
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,480
of role could bring to the table
that takes some of that off of
802
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,480
the coaches that are on the
field and lets them do what they
803
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,240
do best, which is get the
players better and more prepared
804
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,480
for the for the game that's
coming up.
805
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,920
So having a guy like this, being
able to as a coordinator, you
806
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,680
know, bounce ideas off of a guy
that has is an offensive mind
807
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,200
live on the practice field or
in, in the meeting room without,
808
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,200
you know, having to cross the
streams of, of offense and
809
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,000
defense there.
There's so many benefits that
810
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,080
you can get from having this
type of role on your team.
811
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,160
I'm excited to see how much
fruit it bears.
812
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,320
So, yeah, I mean, again, it's
it's we, we we're we're now in
813
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,640
like this era with Virginia Tech
football is we can or they are
814
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,280
making it where we can afford to
do these things that so many
815
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,280
other programs have been doing
for so long.
816
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,920
And they're doing it to me.
What you said, Brian, you know,
817
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,240
a couple of the the the coaching
hires were like, oh, you know,
818
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,320
that that's a solid coach.
I wish it was better, but then
819
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,000
you start seeing the behind the
scenes and where the money was
820
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,560
being sent and how big the
support staff is and bringing in
821
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,640
guys who were head coaches or
were offensive coordinators to
822
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,600
be your analysts and you start
seeing, I think, I think Rocco
823
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,080
and Ruggiero are both getting
paid 250,000 a year, which they
824
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,000
deserve it.
They're good football coaches
825
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
and they've been good football
coaches for a long, long time.
826
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,920
So again, take a look, you you
look through up and down the
827
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,680
guys who are like the assistant
linebacker coach, assistant DL
828
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,480
coach.
You know, these are guys
829
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,440
basically starting out in their
careers.
830
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,240
And I think what's going to
start happening, and this is
831
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,160
just in general from a look of
college football at 10,000 feet
832
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,840
is you're going to get into
those assistant roles and
833
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,120
there's going to be a lot more
analytical jobs out there.
834
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,400
There's going to be a lot more
jobs like that versus where it
835
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,800
used to be.
What oh, you, you want to be a
836
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,880
coach?
Oh, you're going to be just a
837
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,600
coach.
There weren't a lot or analysts
838
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
out there weren't a lot of stuff
like that.
839
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,560
And now that's growing more and
more as the Sheldon, your
840
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,280
favorite thing, the metrics get
deeper and deeper.
841
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,520
The stories get told by the
numbers.
842
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,240
The stories get told about
what's going on in the field and
843
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,960
you need someone to analyze
that.
844
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,480
So if anything, like these guys
who were getting those first
845
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,840
shots like a Derek Tangelo,
who's coming down from Penn
846
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,960
State, who's who played
defensive line for Sean Spencer
847
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,680
and then help had been the
assistant coach of the Penn
848
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,520
State.
Well, he he gets to come in and
849
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,080
say, do I really want to be an
on field coach or do I want to
850
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,240
get off and do something else?
And so that's a good piece.
851
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,920
All right, any anything else on
this coaching staff or were we?
852
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Oh, I got one thing.
Terrell Smith is back.
853
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,400
The man who spent nine years at
Tech.
854
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,440
I think he crossed over with
you, right, Sheldon?
855
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,600
For a couple of those years,
finally.
856
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Years.
Yeah, he was an eighth year guy
857
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,160
before it was cool.
He is back by the way.
858
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,600
He is putting his master's
degrees to work.
859
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,120
You look at his master's
degrees, he's director, player
860
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,600
personnel or player development.
He'd been doing it at Rutgers,
861
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,800
one of the like, one of the more
entertaining interviews,
862
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,480
entertaining guys.
Glad he's back home.
863
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,160
Definitely helping the players
out.
864
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,720
Probably going.
He's probably got case studies
865
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,680
too of how he got all those
medical red shirts.
866
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,200
Probably goes into Franklin's
office.
867
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,760
We won't get this guy another
year.
868
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,120
We won't get this guy another
year.
869
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,440
So I I joke on that, by the way,
right, let's let's get into it
870
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,280
and let's talk about where the
boundary corner podcast
871
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:38,160
effectively for every position
room too deep is for this
872
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,720
spring.
Now, some of them are easier,
873
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,040
right?
Right quarterback seat.
874
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,920
I'd I'd say the first two that
we're going to talk about it are
875
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,720
pretty easy.
Well, I mean, is there any
876
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,720
question, anything, anything
Grunker might have won?
877
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,080
Yeah.
I mean and we all agree Bryce
878
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,720
Brown was too.
There is a reason that he was
879
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:02,360
went out and got, if they like
what they had already, we
880
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,680
wouldn't have went out and got
another bag of quarterback.
881
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,480
Yeah, right.
That, that that's where I'm at.
882
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,000
Would you?
Agree with that, yeah.
883
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Yeah, I don't, I don't think
there's a much debate here.
884
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:22,520
I mean, I'm sure there will be,
you know, some degree of battles
885
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:29,640
for the backup spot in spring
practice, but I think #1
886
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,280
quarterback is Ethan
Grunkemyer's and #2 is Bryce
887
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Brown's to lose.
And I don't think that's that's
888
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,200
going off the deep end at all.
100% All right, quarterbacks
889
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,280
done running back we it was
easily it was Hawkins and
890
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,480
Overton, but there was some
discussion about who the number
891
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,440
one is and I'll tally and Brian
y'all were a lot more on that
892
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600
than me, but just say you peace
on that.
893
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,720
Tally, I'll let you lead on this
one.
894
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,680
So I mean, it's just interesting
because Jeff has not had a full
895
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,680
offseason, right?
He's hurt.
896
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:24,560
And if you tell your ACL, thank
you to his ACL something in his
897
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,600
knee leg, he.
Messed his knee up.
898
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,680
How much benching could he do?
Yeah, How much benching could he
899
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,360
do?
How much lower body work could
900
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,120
he really do on that leg in the
offseason to get himself back
901
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,960
ready to play?
And he did get back and he was
902
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,200
ready to play.
So I just think with a full
903
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,520
offseason of him working, we'll
see all of the things that he
904
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,960
can do.
And then you got, you know,
905
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,560
Hawkins, that was very, very
productive.
906
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,120
I think he may have, in most
people's minds, started as the
907
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,840
third or fourth running back
last year and he ended up, he
908
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,800
ends up being number one, you
know, the most productive
909
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480
running back that we have.
So I'm thinking it'll be a good
910
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,080
1-2 punch, but I don't know
where you go as far as who is
911
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,680
number 1.
I think that's going to be kind
912
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:23,040
of a ongoing thing.
Go ahead bro.
913
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,080
I mean, if if you're saying what
what is the roster designation
914
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,720
going to be for these two?
I think it's going to be Jeff
915
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,240
Overton junior or Marcellus
Hawkins.
916
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:41,920
And I think Jeff is going to be
the one AI think Marcellus is
917
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,280
going to be the 1B.
You know, as far as touch wise,
918
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,760
I think it's going to be flow of
the game.
919
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,280
I think it's going to be how
much are we throwing the
920
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,280
football in that game?
Because I think you probably
921
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,280
want Hawkins on the field more
if you're throwing because he's
922
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,360
a good third down blocker and
he's more effective out of the
923
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,760
backfield.
But in terms of just explosive
924
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,040
playmaking, I mean, we saw that
from Jeff out the gate without
925
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,520
an offseason, without, you know,
all the things that you would
926
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,440
think you would want from a true
freshman.
927
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:20,600
So the Sky's kind of the limit
for him at this point this year
928
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,560
with the full offseason and
everything else.
929
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,680
So we might be hyping him up too
much.
930
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
We'll see.
But I think he takes a pretty
931
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,320
big step this year.
And if he does, he's going to be
932
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,240
definitely A1A in the backfield.
Yes, I don't even doubt that I
933
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,920
think they're 1A and one BI
would I would Lynn Hawkins
934
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,240
because of more experience in
everything better pass blocker
935
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,160
pass catcher as well called
basically a pass a game which it
936
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,240
doesn't sound like a lot, but
one pass a game can definitely
937
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,720
alter a game plan of a defense.
Show them before I close this
938
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,520
out.
I know you've been busy, but
939
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,120
anything about that feel of that
room or is it it's it's them in
940
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,480
some way, shape or form?
Which room?
941
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,360
Running back.
Running back, I mean, honestly,
942
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,880
not really.
Like, I mean, obviously Hawkins
943
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,920
being back is good.
You know, like I, I, I think the
944
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,760
production will be fine.
It's just like super.
945
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,440
I think running back is just
super like situational
946
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,960
dependent, you know, like what
the, the blocking is, you know,
947
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,120
what the quarterback situation
is, what the, you know, OC wants
948
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,600
to do.
But I mean, I feel, I feel
949
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,480
pretty good about it.
Let's flip down to another room
950
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,680
where it feels like the too deep
is pretty set with Luke Reynolds
951
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,440
being kind of an all world tight
in is coming out of high school
952
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,560
and proving that his first
couple years, his first year in
953
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,120
2024, obviously backing up Tyler
Warren, who was an absolute stud
954
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,760
and then last year having a
significant role in the Penn
955
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,960
State offense.
And then you got Benji Gosnell,
956
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,120
who wasn't used last year, but
Tally.
957
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,480
Tally got Tally with Shelton, I
will say, because Tally started
958
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,440
looking at numbers and things
and Tally was whoa, whoa, whoa.
959
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Don't be saying both of these
guys names because there's
960
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,480
somebody else that he feels is
creeping up and it might steal
961
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,400
that number two slot away from
Benji Gosnell.
962
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,360
Yeah, because I mean, you had
Harrison, you know, Benji had
963
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,440
about the I guess he may have
had about the same snaps as
964
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,800
Hairston, which was, you know,
Hairston got thrust in there on
965
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,200
on some some playing time that
he made, you know, wasn't
966
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,920
expecting to get this year, but
he produced, you know, I think
967
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,440
he may have had three
touchdowns.
968
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,920
How 15 catches, 12 catches, you
know, more yards to Benji, more
969
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,800
touchdown to Benji.
So I can't say that Benji's the
970
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,760
you know, I know he's going to
be the in the too deep.
971
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,040
If you got another tight end
that is as productive as him and
972
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,320
me watching the tight ends,
Benji's not a very, very
973
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,560
reliable blocker.
Watching a little bit of
974
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,600
Reynolds.
He's a little bit they said Penn
975
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,640
State fans say Reynolds don't
block.
976
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:18,800
But from what I've seen, he's a,
he's more of a blocker than what
977
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
we had.
He's a better blocker than Benji
978
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,600
and I don't want to say better.
A lot of times when you're a
979
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,000
tight end, blocking is about
effort.
980
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,480
If you go back to the bowl game
last year, Benji had the
981
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,440
opportunity to spring Keelan on
a on a run for a touchdown and
982
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,400
he just didn't give the effort
to get to the safety.
983
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,440
That's just one play, but I've
seen him do that multiple times.
984
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,880
Not saying he's not a good
player, not saying he can't
985
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,160
improve on that, but I'm just
saying if you got hungry people
986
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,440
in that room, somebody's going
to go and make that block so
987
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,280
they can get on the field.
Whether that's Harrison, whether
988
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,840
that's the what is it Henderson
kid that that we pulled in,
989
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,400
somebody's going.
Somebody with all of these
990
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,440
different coaches that they
have, all of these new regime
991
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,760
that they bought in, somebody's
going to impress somebody enough
992
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,920
to get on the field.
I think Harrison St.
993
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,640
Germain is back too, right?
Yep, Saint Germain is back for
994
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,000
one.
And so, I mean, somebody's going
995
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,280
to, I don't want to say take a
step because that sounds, you
996
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,640
know, kind of, I don't know, you
know, just something that people
997
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,280
say.
I don't know if we take a step,
998
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,280
somebody's going to do better
than they did last year to get
999
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,040
on the field, whether they were
at Penn State or they were at
1000
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,840
Virginia Tech.
So I think it would be Harrison,
1001
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,840
you know what I'm saying?
I think he'll be the one that'll
1002
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,160
give that second position a
little bit more run.
1003
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,080
But I will say all that to say,
you know what rhymes with Luke
1004
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Reynolds?
Luke Reynolds, yeah.
1005
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,880
Luke.
Reynolds So if you got a Muke
1006
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,880
Reynolds, Luke Reynolds on the
stat, I mean on the team kind of
1007
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,640
like what we going.
Hey, I will say one thing and
1008
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,080
this isn't to like necessarily
counter your assessments,
1009
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Hallie, But when we look at if
we're comparing output from
1010
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,840
Hairston and Bizzy Gosnell last
year, I think because the sample
1011
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,360
size is so small, I don't know
if, if that comparison really
1012
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,880
means anything.
I mean, you're talking about,
1013
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,880
you know, just over 10
receptions for both of them, you
1014
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,680
know, right at 100 plus yards
and some change for both of
1015
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760
them.
Like there wasn't targets, there
1016
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,640
wasn't opportunities.
And when you shrink the sample
1017
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,000
size down like that, you know,
one big player, you know, all
1018
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,200
this can really throw things in
One Direction or another when
1019
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,640
you make those type of
comparisons.
1020
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,440
So I don't really know what that
means.
1021
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,200
I'll tell you one thing though.
The blocking was a problem from
1022
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,160
from Gosnell's perspective.
So that's going to have to
1023
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,520
improve.
Yeah.
1024
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,680
I think Luke Reynolds locked in
there.
1025
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,720
I, I think Luke Reynolds is
locked in at 1.
1026
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,000
You know, when we talk about
who's to, I think Benji has the
1027
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,880
ability there.
To your point, I think we need
1028
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,720
to see the effort, better
positioning.
1029
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,400
You know, you, you don't have to
at tight end, you don't have to
1030
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,040
be driving defensive ends 5-6
yards up the field, but you do
1031
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,800
have to have proper positioning
and you have to have effort and,
1032
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,240
and you got to stay on the
block.
1033
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Even if you're not dominating
the block, you got to stay on
1034
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,760
the block.
So I mean, that's, that's the
1035
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,400
big thing that they need to
focus on.
1036
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,320
So we'll see what if, if they
can improve?
1037
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,160
Obviously we got to a coach now
for that position that knows
1038
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,920
what the fuck he's doing so.
Ain't trying to run an option
1039
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,400
offense, Sheldon, what you got?
Yeah.
1040
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,720
So looking at some of the
numbers here, just confirm a
1041
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,880
couple of things.
So on in terms of the stats, so
1042
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Benji was actually the worst
graded tight end the ACC last
1043
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:12,880
year, which is not not good.
Now, I will say as to what Brian
1044
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,040
was talking about, pretty
limited sample size in terms of
1045
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,560
pass catching.
And when you compartmentalize
1046
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,920
some of those grades, it was
actually the the pass catching
1047
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,280
that was the biggest, the
biggest thing that that was
1048
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,840
dragging him down.
They actually didn't dislike his
1049
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,560
his blocking that much.
So it might be an area where
1050
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,080
maybe the stats differ from the
eye test, but regardless, you
1051
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,880
know, that was where he
struggled the most.
1052
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,280
And again, it was just small
sample size.
1053
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,760
So how much of that is, you
know, the the system, the
1054
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,840
scheme, the opportunities versus
like his talent?
1055
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:46,680
I mean, we'll see percentage of
pass block snaps.
1056
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,520
I was looking at that too.
Yeah.
1057
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,160
So, so Benji had the highest
percentage of pass block snaps
1058
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,640
in the ECC.
So essentially just not a lot of
1059
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,040
pass catching opportunities.
So like you said, Reynolds has
1060
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,720
some experience in that in that
area.
1061
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,680
So I think they'll get, you
know, they'll have some more
1062
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,960
versatility there.
But I I do think that again.
1063
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,240
You know, kind of what I was
talking about with running
1064
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,240
backs, like it is situational
dependent, like, you know,
1065
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,680
different scheme, different
coach, you know, different
1066
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,320
number of opportunities.
I would say that, you know, last
1067
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,640
year might not necessarily be a
reflection of Benji's true
1068
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,320
ability, even though you do want
to make some upgrades.
1069
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,600
But I do think he he's capable
of playing better football.
1070
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,240
Right.
And to that point, I mean, in,
1071
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,680
in this system in particular,
all three guys we talked about
1072
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,080
are going to play significant
snaps.
1073
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,600
I mean, we, we said we wanted 2
because that's who's going to
1074
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,720
play the majority of the snaps.
But all three of those guys are
1075
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,840
going to play significant snaps
in this offense.
1076
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,440
Yeah.
And could it be, could the third
1077
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,400
be Henderson, Harrison, St.
Germain?
1078
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,360
There is the battle there.
But like what you said, Brian,
1079
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,480
we kept it to two because
they're going to be on the field
1080
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,040
70% of the time.
The other guys are going to have
1081
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,960
various roles.
We're rarely going to see all
1082
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,480
three of them on the field at
the same time.
1083
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,640
You'll you will see Luke
Reynolds and Benji guys now on
1084
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,920
the field at the same time at
some.
1085
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,440
Point exactly all right, let's
flip it over to the wide
1086
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,680
receiver room where we we did 6
so you've got the X, the Z and
1087
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,520
then the slot is the way I kind
of think about it.
1088
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,680
You can't do you can't do 4
anymore on wide receivers.
1089
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,680
It's just we're not in that age.
So we went through and we
1090
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,160
literally just here's who I
think, here's who Brian thinks,
1091
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,200
here's who Callie thinks, here's
Sheldon's input.
1092
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,560
And we landed on this is the
6th.
1093
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,160
We went Krishawn Brown, without
a doubt, Aiden Green without a
1094
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,200
doubt to keep to to Cahit.
I cannot say that name.
1095
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,960
Keelan Adams, Jans Wiggins and
Jeff Exnor Junior.
1096
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,200
And I'm sitting here and just
kind of looking.
1097
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,600
One of my guys did make the list
and that was Marley and Jackson,
1098
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,160
who is the transfer from Lot
Tech.
1099
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,920
And the way I look at this room
in general is the reality is
1100
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,520
only four of these receivers on
the roster this year have truly
1101
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,360
produced at a college level, and
that's Brown.
1102
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,360
Obviously.
He's the stud of the group,
1103
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,920
Aiden who's made some
spectacular plays, Taki Heath on
1104
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:17,720
some gadget plays, and then
Jackson Down playing kind of a
1105
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,440
role in latex offense.
But the other thing that is you
1106
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,120
start looking in probably why
these three younger guys come up
1107
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:31,320
is look at their pedigree, look
at how young they are, look how
1108
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,320
highly thought of they were
coming out of high school.
1109
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,200
All of them, all three of the
ones we've got here.
1110
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,440
And that's kind of like where we
landed because what we feel is
1111
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,040
they do have some really high
potential.
1112
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,600
And the question is which of
those guys?
1113
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,760
Because there's more out there.
There's more guys out there who
1114
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:56,160
can break the ceiling and
basically become, to me, the
1115
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,320
3rd.
I'm going to say it as the third
1116
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,920
option because I'll, I got Taki,
give all credit in the world.
1117
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,000
He is a gadget player.
He's not going to go out there
1118
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,040
and get you 1510 catches in a
game.
1119
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,480
He's going to be able to do a
few things a game.
1120
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,320
So that's the way I feel about
it.
1121
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:21,880
Who wants to go next?
This is probably the room that I
1122
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,760
would say the most discussion we
had on, but it certainly was
1123
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,560
who's the last guy.
Like there was a lot of lot of
1124
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:35,800
who is the last guy.
And I think a lot of that boiled
1125
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:43,640
down to outside of the like high
end transfers that we brought
1126
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,040
in, in some cases, we kind of
lean more on the devil that we
1127
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:52,120
know than the one we don't.
You know, we we know what we're
1128
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,960
getting from Takei Heath.
We know we're getting from Aiden
1129
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,440
Green.
We know Keyshawn Brown is going
1130
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,680
to come in probably immediately
slot right into a a a starting
1131
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,920
role this offense.
So you got, you got Brown and
1132
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,520
green is one of the young guys
like Adams or Wiggins going to
1133
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,840
line up opposite them.
And then looking beyond that,
1134
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,960
you got Jeff Exner junior coming
in.
1135
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,000
And then as we said to Kai Heath
as a gadget player.
1136
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Then he got Snoop Peterkin, who,
who had some, some decent burn
1137
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,400
in 2025.
That was my pick to be in there.
1138
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,480
In some ways, I, I, I think
Heath could be the odd man out
1139
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:42,040
in terms of actual snaps in this
offense just because of the fact
1140
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,560
that some of the other guys that
are coming in do some of the
1141
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,360
things he does, but better.
So I don't I don't know if he
1142
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:55,320
has as much of A role in this
offense as he would otherwise.
1143
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,960
Yeah, I mean, the Peter Can
thing was pretty, you know,
1144
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,840
talked about between us, but the
only thing that kind of held me
1145
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,280
back on putting him with a top
group is that he misses time
1146
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,000
with the team because he's a
dual sport athlete.
1147
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,520
Like he's playing basketball,
you know, a new new regimes
1148
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,720
coming in.
They're working hard right now
1149
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,680
doing their hunger drills and
competitions and things like
1150
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,040
that.
And you're not a part of it
1151
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,040
because you're playing
basketball unless you just come
1152
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,520
in, you know, in that summertime
and then fall count and you
1153
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,360
absolutely go take a spot from
somebody.
1154
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Sometimes that puts you at, you
know, getting sporadic plan time
1155
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,240
and doing what you can in that
sporadic plan time.
1156
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,880
And the other piece, and this is
something we also talked about
1157
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,840
and Shelton, if you if you've
got something, I'll let you
1158
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,800
chime in here with any of these
guys.
1159
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:59,000
The other piece is for a lot of
these guys and several guys we
1160
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,680
mentioned this is this is kind
of it, right?
1161
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,200
Like, if you don't breakthrough
and become a contributor this
1162
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:15,320
year, in all likelihood you
might be out of the door this
1163
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,200
time next year.
And that's just the way of the
1164
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:18,920
world right now.
I.
1165
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,600
Mean also, this is as wide open
as the wide receiver room is
1166
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,480
going to get.
Oh yeah.
1167
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,000
I mean, because you've got Aiden
Green, a couple transfers and a
1168
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,200
bunch of yeah, the rest is youth
movement.
1169
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,680
So like this is as open as this
as this is going to be in this
1170
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,360
room.
And that's.
1171
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,000
Happens yourself.
Yeah, you're gone.
1172
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,160
And and that's why I say that,
Brian, because if they can't
1173
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,560
establish, they're gone because
Aiden's gone next year, the
1174
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,640
Jackson kids gone next year.
Krayshawn Brown's a red shirt
1175
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,400
junior.
If Keyshawn Brown has another
1176
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,400
good season and he stacks two
seasons on top of each other,
1177
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,480
he's not going to be here next
year unless we do something
1178
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,920
crazy and pay out of the wazoo
for a wide receiver to stick
1179
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,600
around one more year.
So Sheldon, anything on the wide
1180
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,000
receiver room or anything you
like disliked about what we've
1181
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,440
set up here?
Yeah, I'm really interested to
1182
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,760
see the impact that Grayshawn
Brown can have.
1183
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,880
Again, I mentioned, you know,
how how excited I am for his
1184
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,400
potential.
Just the numbers that he put
1185
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,880
with Duke were really solid and
some of the, you know, grades
1186
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,960
back that up, you know, but he's
obviously a slot guy.
1187
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,480
And then Takei Heath, of course,
also slot guy.
1188
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,200
He played just about every
single snap last year at the
1189
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,880
slot highest percentage in ATC,
around 99%.
1190
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,760
Brown's played a little bit out
wide, but he's still primarily a
1191
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,440
slot guy.
So I would say I'd be interested
1192
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,040
to see kind of that dynamic
between those two, between Heath
1193
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,600
and Brown, because you know,
again, I know it's, you know, a
1194
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,280
lot of it had to do with the
the, the players around them.
1195
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,280
But you know, Brown put up much
better numbers than Heath did in
1196
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,120
this time at Duke last year.
So I think if you can come in
1197
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,760
and right away and kind of
challenge that spot, it's a good
1198
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,760
problem to have depth there.
But I think overall that room's
1199
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,680
looking pretty solid with the
way that they've added some.
1200
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,960
Very nice.
All righty.
1201
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,880
We moved all next and we started
talking about the offensive line
1202
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:18,200
room and I think there wasn't
much argument within this room
1203
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,120
that could have been what you
could put him in, but it's like,
1204
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,200
well, should he have really been
doing that last year?
1205
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,160
You don't know who we're talking
about, but we went with
1206
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,800
obviously Howland, the transfers
from Oklahoma, Curtis Terry
1207
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,319
transfers from Ohio State, Al
Tuner who is a freshman plate,
1208
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,760
retro freshman plate.
Unbelievable.
1209
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,120
At centre.
You've got Ontavius Cunningham
1210
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:45,640
coming back, Lathe Kanam coming
back, Brody Meadows, who might
1211
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,240
still be in a boot.
We'll let Tally talk about that.
1212
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,840
Johnny Garrett.
And then you got the true, a
1213
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,080
true, true backup center in
where's where's Troutman
1214
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,399
Shelton?
What do you want to say?
1215
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,319
No.
No, no, I'm good.
1216
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,960
Are you sure?
Yes, I don't know.
1217
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,359
I don't know.
But that's and we went seven
1218
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:10,680
there because 8 would be
wonderful, 10 is unbelievable,
1219
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,560
7's the more realistic number
because Brian we've got your
1220
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,359
starting five your. 8's what you
want you, you want 8 you want,
1221
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,160
you want a guy that can play
both tackles behind your
1222
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,399
starters, you want a guy that
can play both guards behind your
1223
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,840
starters and you want somebody
that the quarterback is familiar
1224
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,279
with snapping the football to
them.
1225
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:36,000
So, you know, with, with the,
with the names we've thrown out
1226
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,000
there, we've got 8 and we got
guys that can probably do all
1227
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,479
those things.
So the, I think the biggest
1228
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,399
question is, you know, we've
heard some rumblings about some,
1229
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,960
some injury things going on with
Lucas Austin.
1230
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,560
So we didn't know where to slot
him in in into this group.
1231
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:58,680
So there was some conversation
there, but ultimately he was the
1232
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,200
the odd man out.
But other than that, I think
1233
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:08,160
there wasn't a whole lot of
debate about, you know, who's in
1234
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,600
those that that that first eight
for the offensive line.
1235
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,840
Tyler, anything on top of that
or?
1236
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:22,000
Yeah, we need to wrap Brody
Meadows in a bubble and I would
1237
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,440
say you want your offensive
lineman and just keep eating.
1238
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:27,240
But we keep eating and keep
getting hurt.
1239
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,680
We need to do something else.
I don't know what's going on,
1240
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,080
but Brody, whatever you eating
that eat somewhat different.
1241
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,680
You keep getting hurt, man.
We need you to.
1242
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:39,320
Every time I see him go out to
eat, he's in a boot.
1243
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,320
He in a boot.
Every time you say I see him go
1244
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,320
to these places to eat, eat in a
damn boot.
1245
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,080
He ain't played none this year.
He was hurt, you know, I see him
1246
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,240
out eating.
He's in a boot.
1247
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,240
We need him to.
Drink some milk, Brody Meadows.
1248
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,960
What now?
Drink some milk.
1249
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,560
Yeah.
Vitamin B.
1250
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,000
Get your bones strong, boy.
Yeah.
1251
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,320
I mean he kind of grown now it's
time to start taking vitamins.
1252
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,880
Like old people go to Walmart
and take what is it Hidden
1253
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Valley or hidden?
That's branch dressing.
1254
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,320
It's some kind of valley
vitamins.
1255
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,280
Go get your.
He said Hidden Valley.
1256
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,520
He said his.
Valley.
1257
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,360
Spring Valley baby baby.
Buttermilk ranch, baby.
1258
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:22,640
Yeah.
Buttermilk ranch get.
1259
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,600
That we got to start getting
some vitamins, crushing vitamins
1260
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,560
up at Sniffer like Tony.
Talley said.
1261
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,000
Put away the Hidden Valley.
Pick up the Spring Valley.
1262
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,200
Hey, we got to get these boys
healthy, man.
1263
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,280
They said.
It.
1264
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,560
It like like howling.
Is it howling?
1265
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,640
What's it?
Called yeah, howling.
1266
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,360
Yeah, you know, again rumblings
that he hurt.
1267
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,520
Y'all old enough to to to know
better?
1268
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,720
It sounds like he's going to be
ready for spring practice
1269
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,280
though, so he's not hurt hurt.
OK, that's good.
1270
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,400
We need we need our help.
We can get on the this is what I
1271
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:00,800
will say our off our offensive
line coaches have been so bad at
1272
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,240
recruiting.
I don't think we took the like 1
1273
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,000
lineman in the last before Matt
Moore got there.
1274
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,920
Like I think we took like 1
lineman in the last three
1275
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:15,040
cycles.
So in this cycle we took like 7,
1276
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,920
which is great because now you
can at least get some real looks
1277
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,880
with some big humans, you know,
whether they're running scout
1278
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,920
team or, you know, getting some
some burn in practice to be
1279
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,720
ready when it's that time.
Because as everybody knows,
1280
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,640
offensive line is probably the
hardest place to go play.
1281
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,920
I mean, you got people like Jay
Glock that would have done it,
1282
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,520
but that was that don't happen
too often, you know what I'm
1283
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,760
saying?
But if it gets down to it, we
1284
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,200
got some people that at least
look the part now, you know what
1285
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,840
I'm saying?
And the tummy Wilders and you
1286
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,960
know, Marlin Brights and stuff
like that.
1287
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,560
These some big dudes already.
They are huge offensive line.
1288
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,320
So it's good that we got that
big surge in recruiting.
1289
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,600
I think it's going to continue.
I think, you know, again, I,
1290
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,840
I've never met met Matt Moore,
but looking at what he's doing,
1291
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,880
even before Franklin got there,
I mean, he was bringing, he
1292
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,280
brought in some lime and then he
brought some lime with himself
1293
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:22,800
and Al to them being a very
young lineman, held his own,
1294
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,320
like did a good job.
You didn't have to call his name
1295
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,880
much.
We didn't see a lot of balls
1296
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,000
hitting the turf in in when he's
snapping, things like that.
1297
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,800
So I do like some of the things
that we got going on, but I just
1298
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,120
I will be interested to see how
cohesive we can be with this
1299
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,480
line.
We need to get some people
1300
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:49,160
healthy because we've never seen
the same line roll out the game
1301
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:54,720
in and game out. 100% Sheldon,
anything on the line, any of
1302
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,600
these transfers, anybody you
like we have on here, hate we
1303
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,400
have on here.
No, I wouldn't say, hey, I mean,
1304
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,600
I would say like, you know, we
we'll obviously see how it all
1305
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,920
pans out.
I would say online is a position
1306
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,000
where, you know, you really got
to stack bodies into what Ty was
1307
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,440
saying.
I would argue there was some
1308
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,840
leadership issues with regards
to our online recruiting during
1309
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,240
the cry era.
Just, you know, combination of
1310
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,760
not not prioritizing it enough,
you know, not hiring coaches
1311
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,040
prioritize it enough or just,
you know, couldn't.
1312
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,960
And guys, so I just think I
think that the whole thing was
1313
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,000
just a disaster there.
So Franklin's going to build it
1314
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,520
up a little bit.
It's a position where you've got
1315
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,520
to, you know, you've got to
build, I think from high school,
1316
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,920
develop guys, you know, as best
you can and then try to plug
1317
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,040
holes when you when you have
them.
1318
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,320
So I would just say, you know,
you know, the good thing about
1319
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,600
Franklin is that, you know, he's
he's brought them bodies.
1320
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,840
And I think with online, you
know, it's just, it's more a
1321
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,000
number of quantity really just
because you don't know it like
1322
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,920
it's so hard to project, you
know, how these guys are going
1323
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,400
to, you know, you know, actually
play.
1324
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,120
So it's essentially just, you
know, a numbers game, like take
1325
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,960
as many as you can.
If a couple pin out, that's
1326
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,920
fine.
Remember, you've got, you know,
1327
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,720
way more scholarships than you
used to have, so you can afford
1328
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,200
to count play, play a little bit
with it.
1329
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,280
So I, I, I just think the, the,
the, the, you know, philosophy
1330
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,480
of, you know, just take as many
as you can get and try to, you
1331
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,480
know, hope, hope if you pin out
will be pretty solid.
1332
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,880
Yep.
And and I think, can I say one
1333
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,560
thing real quick, Rod, before
you jump in?
1334
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,480
Yeah, the one thing I like
about, with the exception of
1335
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:27,320
Troutman and even the guys who
didn't make the list, it's the
1336
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,440
experience.
There is not a lot of questions,
1337
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,040
right?
It's not like I don't know if
1338
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,400
that person can even step on the
field, right and play.
1339
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,520
And as much as we we've dogged
Aiden lunch a couple times, he
1340
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,120
shouldn't have been playing.
We all know that.
1341
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,440
But he got almost 700 snaps last
year.
1342
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,440
Get what I'll do?
Yeah, but all the stuff that he
1343
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:51,920
got last year, you know, if he
did have to go play this year,
1344
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:57,600
he should be a step above where
he was last year, you know?
1345
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,440
You don't.
Want that position now where
1346
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,720
he's not going to be forced into
playing 6 and 700 snaps in the
1347
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,640
season.
He might be forced into play in
1348
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,200
100 or 150.
The depth that we brought in
1349
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,440
with how we're backfilling the
position, like he's not going to
1350
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:17,480
have to be the guy.
Whether he gets to a point where
1351
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:21,080
he can be a starter in a year or
two on this team, that that
1352
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,480
remains to be seen.
But we know that last season he
1353
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:27,240
was thrown into a situation
where he was not prepared to to
1354
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,840
be on the field that much.
He was blocking Ruben Bain.
1355
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,160
And he had no business trying to
block Ruben Bain.
1356
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,200
No business, no business.
And again, it's the other guys
1357
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,880
too.
I know Terry was more of a a
1358
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,760
situational guy with Ohio State
kind of being their big tight
1359
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,080
end, but he also he had a couple
play times.
1360
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,400
But you tell a guy like Logan
Howland who played in his career
1361
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,920
before he got hurt last year,
had played over 700 snaps of
1362
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,880
football.
There's certain things from
1363
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,320
Brian and Tally.
Y'all just playing for years.
1364
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,480
There's certain things.
You get to a certain threshold
1365
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,840
with just number of snaps,
right?
1366
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,920
You know what you have to do,
you understand cadences, you
1367
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,240
know what you're going to do.
And that is the one thing, with
1368
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,000
the exception of Troutman, but
that's OK because finding guys
1369
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,880
who can snap the ball and block
is always tough.
1370
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,120
There's your win right there.
All right, we are going to roll
1371
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,720
on and we going to flip the
defense.
1372
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,520
We got a few to hit here before
we wrap it up tonight and we
1373
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,280
going to stay on.
We're going to stay on Tally's
1374
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,360
drinking buddy's room.
We're going to stay with the
1375
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,720
linebackers to jump off with,
and this is a room.
1376
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,120
We were trying to get 5, but
there was no consensus 5th pick.
1377
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,240
We got a consensus of four and
then there are arguments.
1378
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,600
So Caleb Spencer, Noah Chambers,
Keon Wiley, Curtis Jones,
1379
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,000
Junior.
There are no questions about
1380
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,360
them.
Where we differentiated, and
1381
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,640
Brian got stung today by this
thanks to Sean Spencer's Twitter
1382
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,680
post was who's the 5th?
Who's the 5th linebacker that is
1383
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,800
going to get maybe not all the
playing time, but it's going to
1384
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,840
be in a conversation.
And Brian, I'll go ahead.
1385
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,360
I'll let you go first because
that that kind of kicked you in
1386
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,440
the Bingy when you saw that
tweet, like, oh damn it.
1387
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,800
Yeah.
So I I I thought that with the
1388
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,760
you're going back to the the
price scheme.
1389
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,600
I thought we would see Brett
clatter ball move back to
1390
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,320
linebacker.
You know, it sounds like at
1391
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,840
least until the start of spring.
That's he's he's not in Brent
1392
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,560
Fry's room.
He's working at a coach chaos's
1393
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:52,400
room.
He still has DN for at Hokies FB
1394
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,920
on his Instagram page.
So we're going to treat him as a
1395
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,400
defensive end as it stands right
now until we hear otherwise,
1396
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:05,720
even though the roster had been
updated and had him as a as a
1397
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,920
linebacker in the in the
program.
1398
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,240
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm of two
minds of where to go next,
1399
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,240
right.
So when I look at that kind of
1400
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:22,960
that next guy, I think, you
know, if we're looking at it
1401
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,800
situationally, if we're playing
a run heavy defense, I've been
1402
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,000
give run heavy offense, give me
George balance every day of the
1403
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:37,360
week as far as downstream there.
If we're talking about anybody
1404
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,800
else, I'd love to see a Gabe
Williams success story this
1405
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,480
year.
That would that would that would
1406
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:46,600
warm my heart.
So I'm gonna go with my gut on
1407
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,280
that one and and throw Gabe in
there.
1408
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,200
You go flip from clad about a
Gabe what Brian mentioned it.
1409
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,560
I'm with the George balance
thing to walk on who did get a
1410
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:59,880
got a scholarship because you
know his role like you know, the
1411
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,360
games that you will depend on
for him when you're playing a
1412
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:08,080
more run heavy team.
So you know he has a carpet role
1413
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,320
as a fifth guy.
He's not going to get 500 snaps,
1414
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,280
but you know, exactly like this
week you're going to see him 15
1415
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,280
snaps, this week you're going to
see him 2.
1416
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,920
This week you're going to see
him 8.
1417
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,200
So that's what my line of
thinking.
1418
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,320
But I, I think, I think Tally
had the the best one as we were
1419
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,840
chatting about this a couple
weeks ago.
1420
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,520
Tally Who's your 5th linebacker?
I don't fucking know.
1421
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,960
I have no.
Idea, you know.
1422
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:43,440
Brian Shelton, I don't.
Know shit about?
1423
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,760
That but anybody in there for
right now, yeah, it's just like
1424
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:52,280
it's so much difference in in
change and you know, thinking
1425
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,720
clatter bomb is going to be a
linebacker or defensively and is
1426
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,560
I don't know, you know, I'm
interested.
1427
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,840
I want to know.
I just at this point, I just, it
1428
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,600
was one of the groups that I was
like, man, I don't know.
1429
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:12,640
How we feeling about some of
those that 26 class making any
1430
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,000
noise in the rotation?
None.
1431
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:22,720
Yeah, I, I mean, again, I just
don't, I don't, I don't see it,
1432
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,720
man.
But I didn't know Noah Chambers
1433
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,400
would get in and do what he did.
And now we're talking about him
1434
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,200
how we did.
You know what I'm saying?
1435
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,040
It's all every year somebody
steps up and does something
1436
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,040
spectacular.
As a freshman, you know, we
1437
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,760
haven't seen it a lot because
maybe our players are more
1438
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,560
developmental players that we've
seen in the past.
1439
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:49,400
But when you start pulling
higher talent guys, some of them
1440
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,600
are a little bit more Rd. ready,
you know.
1441
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,280
So I don't know, man, I don't
know if there's somebody in that
1442
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,760
group.
That's a good question.
1443
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,440
I didn't think about that.
But usually just looking at it
1444
01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:02,960
with my orange and maroon
glasses, I would be like, you
1445
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,160
know, most of our guys got to
develop, you know what I'm
1446
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,000
saying?
It's going to take a while, but
1447
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,800
go back and look at Noah
Chambers on the field this year.
1448
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,200
He looked the part, you know
what I'm saying?
1449
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,800
He was as big as junior and
senior linebackers.
1450
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,560
He was fast as junior and senior
linebackers, and he was just
1451
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,640
about in the right place on most
of the plays.
1452
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:31,360
Every now and then he's going to
be, you know, a step off, maybe
1453
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,600
take a false step because he's a
freshman.
1454
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,800
But I think a little bit
different coaching and better
1455
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,240
coaching and more attention to
detail.
1456
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,120
We may see one of those, one of
those freshmen step up.
1457
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,000
Who's on campus now in that In
that freshman linebacker, Rd.
1458
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,400
Brian.
Wiggins and Llama llamas more
1459
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,320
physically ready, but obviously
Wiggins is the higher caliber.
1460
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,280
He's the guy player.
So.
1461
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,440
Does he go to defensive?
Does he go to linebacker or
1462
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:03,640
defensive end more?
Wiggins.
1463
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,280
Wiggins, that is.
I know in high school he kind of
1464
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,520
put his hand in the dirt, so I'm
right.
1465
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:13,320
He did a little bit of
everything like he was, yeah,
1466
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,600
mostly, mostly lined up the off
ball.
1467
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,600
But I mean, I think he would
occasionally put his hand in the
1468
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,920
dirt.
But I mean, he's he's coming in
1469
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:28,000
632 O1 Mama's coming in 63221.
OK, so yeah, yeah.
1470
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,720
But I know some people around
Virginia.
1471
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,080
It's some people around Virginia
that says Llama.
1472
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,800
Is it?
Is it Llama?
1473
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:38,600
How do you say his name?
They say that that he is.
1474
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,480
I don't.
Know if it's Lamar or or Llama?
1475
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,080
They say, you know how we felt.
You know how we felt about Caleb
1476
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,760
Woodson when we first seen him.
Curtis.
1477
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,000
Yeah.
Dwight Victoria says the same
1478
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,000
thing about this kid Llama or
llama.
1479
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,920
And I kind of listened to Dwight
when he talks about local kids.
1480
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:08,360
It's true he is usually got a
pulse on that unlike anyone
1481
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,160
else.
So we shall see.
1482
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,760
All right, let's flip over next
and let's talk about the
1483
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,760
defensive line room, a room
being taken over by Sean
1484
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:25,120
Spencer, Coach chaos and and
believe it or not, this one I
1485
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,960
felt like we were going to argue
more, but then it was just like,
1486
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,000
no, this makes sense.
And we went with obviously
1487
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:37,680
Kamari Copeland and Elijah Fall.
Fall had a sneaky season last
1488
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,640
season.
Glad he had a second year.
1489
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,320
Emmett Laws who played
rotationally as he should have
1490
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,640
last year.
And again, look, the part we put
1491
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,440
mints on here just because of
coming from Ohio State having
1492
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:54,480
that pedigree.
So there's your D tackles and
1493
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:58,360
then with the defensive ends a
little bit harder, which we
1494
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,600
would had a little bit more on
there, but you got Samo and
1495
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,920
Hilson just where he was rated.
Usually guys who are that high
1496
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,280
usually make some noise in
college and now he is getting
1497
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,000
the opportunity to basically go
to the front of the line at
1498
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,120
Tech.
And then there were two
1499
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,960
holdovers from last year who
played, again, like Laws.
1500
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,800
They played their roles.
They did OK in their roles, and
1501
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,000
Jason Abbey and Ayson Stevenson
and Ayson Stevens.
1502
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:31,200
So like again, this was when I
thought we'd argue more on when
1503
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:36,560
we were kind of debating it.
But I mean, is there anybody
1504
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,360
else y'all feel Sheldon, anybody
you feel just like now this guy
1505
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,480
could make noise and I know we
got some freshmen coming in and
1506
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:49,840
you never know.
But y'all tell me something
1507
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,800
because Brian, you did the whole
listing things and it's like any
1508
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,200
of these guys and it's just like
but we.
1509
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,680
Landed on this.
Yeah, and I know Curtis wants
1510
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,280
Christian Evans to get in the
mix.
1511
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,360
Oh yeah, you only but.
I know Robbie, I know Robbie
1512
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,600
probably wants Derek Dandy to
get in the mix.
1513
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,280
Yes, he does boy local there.
There's a lot of guys you want,
1514
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,480
but I feel like they.
I mean, do we now want Brett
1515
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,440
Klatterball to get in the mix?
Yeah, sure, why not?
1516
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,400
Why not?
I thought for sure he was going
1517
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,600
to be a linebacker.
They say he tearing it up and at
1518
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,600
hunger drills at defensive end,
defensive tackle or wherever
1519
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,800
he's at.
One that we still haven't talked
1520
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,760
about.
And he was the guy that I think
1521
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,280
a lot of us were high on when he
was recruited.
1522
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:42,640
But you know, we still haven't
really seen Gerard Johnson find
1523
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,520
his footing.
He's, you know, we, we always
1524
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,720
talked about him as kind of
being that tweener and he's
1525
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,960
still really kind of in that
position.
1526
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:57,640
Now, if he's playing 64278, he's
kind of right in that that that
1527
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,840
can't can't really line up
outside anymore, but maybe a
1528
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,840
little undersized, especially if
he's not, you know, playing with
1529
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,360
as much leverage as you like to
see inside.
1530
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,520
You know, does he take a step?
I think if he does, it's going
1531
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,280
to be kind of at that three
technique position.
1532
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,200
I don't think we'll see him
outside anymore.
1533
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:23,640
But I'm really, I'm really
curious to see downstream what
1534
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,800
this line looks like just
because I feel like, yeah, I
1535
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,760
think the first four, you know,
the the the starters got there
1536
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,560
are pretty locked with the
exception of, you know, those
1537
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:40,000
laws take a few more snaps
inside than than he took last
1538
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,200
year.
But yeah, everybody else is kind
1539
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,840
of locked in there.
I mean, I, I do, I'm just
1540
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,800
looking at how many defensive
lining we have and it's a good
1541
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,840
problem to have.
It is.
1542
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,040
It's a good problem to have
because it's stacked and you see
1543
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,600
it's one of those rooms, if you
go look at the rocks and it's
1544
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:04,440
like senior, junior, junior,
junior, red shirt, sophomore,
1545
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:06,880
red shirt, sophomore, red shirt,
red shirt, freshman, red for
1546
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,360
chessman, senior, freshman,
freshman.
1547
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,800
Like we talked about it about a
month ago.
1548
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,320
This is one place where I think
James Franklin did it perfect
1549
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,480
was what he did with the
defensive line room.
1550
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,800
There's enough older guys in
there where you don't feel like
1551
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,920
like you don't feel like we're
going to lose everything this
1552
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,720
year and we're just going to
fuck next year, but you don't
1553
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,360
feel like we're so young.
It's like we've got that perfect
1554
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,960
blend of, well, Copeland's gone,
falls are gone.
1555
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,800
Well, that's fine.
Laws and mincer probably don't
1556
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,040
get to PT.
There's guys in there is a
1557
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,600
lineage in a linear thing that
that that that room should be OK
1558
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,720
for the next few years.
One other guy we did not mention
1559
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:01,240
and and I don't think he'll and
I and I hope he's a story is
1560
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,240
hand Chuck.
Cause hand Chuck if that kid
1561
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,440
hadn't gotten hurt, his senior
in high school would have been
1562
01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:09,840
like high 4 star.
But he's had so many injury
1563
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,560
issues.
It sucks because he's a great
1564
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,360
big boy.
You saw the tape.
1565
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,360
He was talented playing up in
Ohio and it sucks.
1566
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,720
But if you can't get on the
field, there's no help to us.
1567
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,440
Shelton has informed me he has
nothing on this room.
1568
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:28,200
We did everything right in his
eyes, we're perfect.
1569
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,880
Nailed it, nailed it.
Tally anything else on the D
1570
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,160
liner before we wrap this one
up.
1571
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,640
I'm pretty, pretty good to go on
that.
1572
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,880
We just need Kamari Copeland to
be healthy.
1573
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,560
Yep.
Kamari Copeland to be healthy
1574
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,720
and I'm going to say this.
If Kamari Copeland is healthy
1575
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,720
with how and what Sean Spencer
does on the defensive line and
1576
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,160
his talent already showing the
last couple years inside and out
1577
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:01,240
and playing numerous techniques
and being good at all of them
1578
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,760
that that that kid could be a
beast and make himself a lot of
1579
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,920
money this year.
All right, we'll go.
1580
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,320
This was just Brian.
Just just say something about
1581
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,560
Satrian.
I don't know what to say.
1582
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:22,240
I I this is like the most just.
Safeties, reddish bass, Robinson
1583
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,760
flowers.
That's the list.
1584
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,080
And, you know, beyond that,
there's not really a.
1585
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,120
That's not really a whole lot
else to say, I mean.
1586
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,040
That's it.
Is is Chirag Kova?
1587
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:38,800
Going to get kicked out of the
first game, Yeah, Bass is going
1588
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,320
to get kicked out of the first
game or targeting because he's
1589
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,200
don't do that and then I don't
know where we go after that.
1590
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,000
Yeah, Like, does Chirac Covell
make make any, any headway in
1591
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,920
this room this year?
Is is Brennan Johnson going to
1592
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,520
make any impact?
Probably not.
1593
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,880
And then you got Tyrell Grant
Junior coming in as the 26th
1594
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,040
class.
So this is the room that I said
1595
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,280
I would like to have had one
more that's at least in that
1596
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,360
rotational level.
We didn't get that.
1597
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,960
I think some of that was by
design and some of that was the
1598
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,640
fact that we were having some
closing issues on where we
1599
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,160
wanted to go from a cornerback
safety coach perspective.
1600
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,000
But it is what it is at this
point.
1601
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,440
I think the the four you have
there are, yeah.
1602
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,000
Reddish is good.
Reddish is good, everybody else
1603
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,920
is solid but.
They all got their.
1604
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,080
Issues.
I would have liked to seen the
1605
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:48,200
the talent level get raised.
Yeah, obviously.
1606
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,400
This was a freshman.
He was a.
1607
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:51,520
Freshman.
Yeah.
1608
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:52,600
Yeah.
So I I.
1609
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,840
Think.
Yeah, I got some, but the other
1610
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,680
two, which I don't know I'm I'm
going to keep my mouth shut like
1611
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,080
I'm going to say what Brian
said.
1612
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,440
I was hoping that we would have
grabbed, you know, another
1613
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,200
experienced person in that room.
Yeah, Yeah.
1614
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,760
This was this was just a tough
one to do and overall, because
1615
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,640
it's like you didn't feel
spectacular.
1616
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,920
Well, that was an.
Easy 1 to do, but it was a tough
1617
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:22,560
one to come to terms with, yeah.
It's an important position.
1618
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:26,560
Very important position this and
you when you only feel like I
1619
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,880
feel good about Quinn Reddish.
What about everybody else?
1620
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,920
Tally just made it perfect.
Ass likes to do dumb shit.
1621
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,560
Flowers will occasionally just
look lost, lost.
1622
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:45,000
And Robinson is a sophomore.
And you're like, I don't want
1623
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,200
that.
I wanted like another.
1624
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,200
That's a really good guy right
there.
1625
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,360
Tell him you got anything on
this room.
1626
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:57,400
No, no, I just don't know.
Just don't think I haven't
1627
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,640
played those cinch enough, but
I'm sure I'm sure I I, I say
1628
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,520
hashtag trust James Franklin,
trust the.
1629
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:07,760
Trust James, you know.
Who?
1630
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,680
The defense.
You know who the deep, deep
1631
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:15,000
coordinator is for Sheldon?
You know who your deepest
1632
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,360
coordinator is, don't you?
Yeah.
1633
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,080
You better trust.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1634
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,840
Don't.
Ask my thoughts on that.
1635
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,240
And we are going to move on to
the last room, another spirited
1636
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:35,920
debate room of the cornerback
room, a room that we heavily,
1637
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,240
heavily went after guys with in
that room.
1638
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:44,880
And we landed on the following.
We don't start with.
1639
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,320
And this isn't in like the order
we think they're going to play.
1640
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,760
This is just the way the name
popped up.
1641
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:57,560
Josh Clark, IBM, JoJo KREM,
Jacquez White, Cam Chadwick, and
1642
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:02,960
Knowledge Harold.
Curtis, you lead on this one.
1643
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,120
You have some.
Thought you have some fucking
1644
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,400
thoughts on?
That well, I'll lead on this,
1645
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,240
I'll lead on this.
Why Curtis thinks a little bit.
1646
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:15,000
Somebody, somebody, somebody
messaged me by the last name of
1647
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,640
Lester and said y'all are crazy
if y'all don't have the Loaches
1648
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:24,680
name in that group.
And I'm like, and I don't know
1649
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,480
man, I'm sorry.
Because he Chris seems to think
1650
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:33,480
that the Loach will outplay at
least half of the guys in that
1651
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:36,920
group.
I floated his name, but I don't
1652
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,360
think he's I, I didn't have him
out playing.
1653
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,920
Half those guys I got, I got him
out playing.
1654
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,200
Maybe, I don't know, maybe,
maybe JoJo, I don't know.
1655
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,320
Maybe Chadwick, I don't know.
Just saying friend of the
1656
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:54,320
program sent me that message.
So I want the child to know.
1657
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:58,640
Go ahead, Curtis all.
Right, so this is the only and
1658
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:04,640
again, the the more beef I had
with was leaving Thomas Williams
1659
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,280
off.
That was my guy I wanted he
1660
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,440
played solid, not spectacular.
And, and there are names on this
1661
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:17,880
list that played 10 snaps and 20
snaps and then play last year
1662
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,520
and was saying, well, they're
really good.
1663
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,840
They're really good.
Once coming off an injury, a
1664
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,120
couple guys played 10 snaps, 10
snaps.
1665
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:30,040
And my issue with that is if
you're saying it's a true depth
1666
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,120
chart, So what you're saying is
this guy's going to do enough
1667
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:37,480
between now and the end of
August that he is going to be in
1668
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:39,880
the 2D.
That means you've got to prove
1669
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,720
it in in scenarios that some of
these guys have already went
1670
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,920
through with this defensive
coordinator.
1671
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:52,680
So that was my bigger issue.
I'm fine with what we landed on.
1672
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,280
It is what it is.
It's this is an exercise to hey,
1673
01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:00,160
it gets us talking and get at
each other and poking and
1674
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,880
talking about shit.
But the the only one that I'm
1675
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,480
saying is I would, I would leave
Josh Clark off this list.
1676
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,920
Yes, Brian, I know he was right
there his first year, but he is
1677
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,120
coming off a serious knee injury
where he did not play any last
1678
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,800
year any.
And he he is he is supremely
1679
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,320
talented.
But I want to see it before I
1680
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:28,520
throw him on the list.
So I think if you're operating
1681
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:34,040
under the premise of he's not
going to be the same player he
1682
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:38,320
was in the limited action, we
saw him in 2024.
1683
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:42,440
I think that's valid.
I think if if you say he comes
1684
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:47,160
back and he is the same player,
if not improved, there's no way
1685
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,440
he's not in this list if not one
of the starting cornerbacks of
1686
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:56,440
this football team.
That being said, the other
1687
01:36:56,440 --> 01:36:58,800
debate was should knowledge be
in here?
1688
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,520
That that was that was the other
debate.
1689
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:04,200
That was the other debate.
And the the issue I had with the
1690
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,360
reason Knowledge is on here and
Thomas Williams isn't, is
1691
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,840
because Knowledge plays nickel
and Thomas Williams does not
1692
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,840
play nickel.
IBM and Knowledge are going to
1693
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,400
be the nickels if we're doing a
depth chart, that's how we're
1694
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,280
operating.
That's why Thomas Williams isn't
1695
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,280
on here.
That being said, Knowledge,
1696
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:26,640
Harold showed me a lot in the
time I've seen him.
1697
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,000
If he takes any significant
step, I'm going to be really
1698
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,520
excited to see what that kick
and do.
1699
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:36,120
I'll let Tally have the floor
now.
1700
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:38,120
Tally.
You know what?
1701
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,200
I.
Mean, I would say you kind of
1702
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:44,560
put it pretty eloquent there.
So I mean, we've got some young
1703
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,120
talent, you know, I think we
bring in the two experienced
1704
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,920
guys that we needed.
The kid from Troy can play
1705
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,240
White's.
Going to be legit.
1706
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,840
I can play, you know, the other
kid, what Yukon, he can play
1707
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,520
too.
But I I I've watched a little
1708
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,280
bit more white.
So I think that we're OK there,
1709
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,040
like you said.
And then if any of these
1710
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,160
youngsters take a step forward
like knowledge herald or the
1711
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:14,000
Loach, you know, even JoJo cram,
they just were thrust into some
1712
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,000
action playing against some
grown men.
1713
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,600
You know, you start playing
against some people.
1714
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,520
I say playing against grown men.
And couldn't nobody guard
1715
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:26,120
Malachi Tony, but which was a a
freshman kid himself.
1716
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,560
But you know, most of our guys
were thrust in there and they
1717
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:35,440
just didn't have the physical
statue that would get certain
1718
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:37,280
people down or to challenge
them.
1719
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:43,640
So being in this strength and
conditioning program with go
1720
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:48,040
back to the staff, the bigger
staff, more attentive staff
1721
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,960
because you have more people.
I think that we're going to see
1722
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,800
some, you know, a couple of
those guys that were thrust in
1723
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,280
the fire take a step forward.
Because I just think what I
1724
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,720
think what Brian is going is the
talent level of somebody like
1725
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:06,080
Knowledge Harold supersedes
Thomas Williams.
1726
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,680
No disrespect to Thomas
Williams, you know, but
1727
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,560
Knowledge Harold just seems to
have more tools.
1728
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,520
He does.
Hey, Thomas Williams.
1729
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,400
And and so does John Clark.
I, I agree with that 100%.
1730
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:25,720
But it's to me, it's more of you
have a guy who played almost 500
1731
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,320
snaps last year.
He was on the field a ton and he
1732
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,040
didn't look completely lost or
overmatched.
1733
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,160
Did he look like Brandon
Flowers?
1734
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:38,760
Hell no.
Well, that's the reason.
1735
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,160
That these guys played a ton of.
Snaps even even IBM too.
1736
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,000
It was the.
Worst.
1737
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,440
Like, I'm not impressed.
Worst room on the defense and
1738
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:48,520
that's that's adding to the fact
that safety was kind of a mess
1739
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:49,640
too, but it.
Was safety.
1740
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,760
Safety was the worst room.
At least with this room, at
1741
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,600
least it was fun to talk about,
right, Because we saw the young
1742
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,840
guys.
Yeah, you saw young guys.
1743
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,080
And it's like, OK, these guys
are talented in some way.
1744
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,880
They're younger and talented,
and they have a chance to go up
1745
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,000
there.
To me, JoJo KREM, of all the of
1746
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,320
all the young guys, to me, he's
above everybody because of how
1747
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,200
he played.
He got entrusted quicker than
1748
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,120
anyone last year to get on that
field.
1749
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,680
Well, I mean, they were already,
you know, even before we got
1750
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,280
into the season.
Yeah, there was conversations
1751
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,880
that he was going to be, you
know, potentially pushing for
1752
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:31,160
exactly spot opposite.
Why am I blanking on his name?
1753
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,600
He transferred.
Love it.
1754
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:35,880
Love it.
Yeah, there we go.
1755
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,440
Potentially pushing the start
opposite.
1756
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:40,720
Love it.
But then you you lose love it.
1757
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,840
And now you got, you know,
Thomas Williams being the only
1758
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:48,000
veteran in the room with like
all these, you know, yeah, red
1759
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,280
shirt and true freshman.
It was kind of a weird situation
1760
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:55,080
to to look at last year.
But sometimes that is the best
1761
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:56,360
thing to happen.
Shelton.
1762
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:58,520
Anything to put a final bow on
this.
1763
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,880
I mean, not too specific other
than just, you know, I think
1764
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,000
like you guys are saying the,
the safety room was in the
1765
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,040
struggle bus last year.
So I just think if they can get
1766
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,840
that spot solidified, you know,
it'll help out the corners a lot
1767
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,080
'cause I think a lot of times
like, and this is true in Pro
1768
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,480
Football too, like it's hard to
distinguish, you know, poor
1769
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,400
corner play from poor safety
play.
1770
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:24,680
Cause a lot of times, you know,
corners are trying to cover up
1771
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:26,280
for safety is not being in the
right spots.
1772
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,920
So again, I just think, you
know, you know, they'll they'll
1773
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:34,880
be better there with some of
those guys returning, you know,
1774
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:39,040
reddish bass wherever he plays
cobble flowers.
1775
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,520
So it's a solid, it's a solid
group.
1776
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:44,840
But yeah, I just think like in
general, like, you know, good
1777
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,400
safety play will help the
corners out a lot.
1778
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,600
So hopefully that'll make them
look better by by extension so.
1779
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,120
And unlike the safety room, what
I'll say is we get ready to wrap
1780
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,680
this up tonight.
This is a room it it's similar
1781
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,160
to the defensive line room.
It is broken out.
1782
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,320
You've got older guys who are
ready to play, but you've got
1783
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,680
younger guys who are talented.
Where you see the lineage like
1784
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,200
this is how it can go the next
two or three years versus safety
1785
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,440
room.
Coach Franklin, we're trusting
1786
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:12,480
you.
Please fix that.
1787
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:16,200
All right, anything else boys,
before we call in the night and
1788
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,040
get some sleeping so we can go
to work tomorrow?
1789
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,280
I'm all good man, I think it was
a good one.
1790
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:24,600
All right.
Well, that does.
1791
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,920
That does wrap up this episode
of the Boundary Corner podcast,
1792
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,760
brought to you by Moments on the
Maury in Lexington.
1793
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,600
I'm Curtis Wilson.
I'm Brian Siegler.
1794
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,200
Going to tally.
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1795
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,160
He is Shelton Moss and we are
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1796
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,720
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1797
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:50,360
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01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,360
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