Going Camping with Robert Compton

0:45 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast after surviving a hellacious Father's Day weekend. My partner and I rhyme Sigler house. What's up, buddy? I'm good man, I'm good man. I heard you were, you were grinding out there over the weekend, whole golf, everything, who with the kids, and I just pull like sitting poolside hanging out having a beer pool with the kids, which was a ton of fun and What did the golf course yesterday? Just hit some balls and has. I'm leaving. My brother all rolls up says, hey, I'm here to Buddy and his pops. You want to join me.

1:25 The four Why don't you say no to that? They say no to that? Well, that's you, man. It was a pretty was pretty fun weekend. We just kind of we hung around here on on Saturday. And then on Father's Day, actually had a neighbor headache, his daughter's birthday party. So I went over there, there was a ax throwing at the, the kid's birthday party. So I was I was I was doing the axe throwing while the kids were like on the water slides. And then we came back here and had a cookout with some of the parents came over so pretty solid weekend. Awesome, man. Awesome. Well, tonight, folks, we are bringing on a guy that we have mentioned. Numerous times, he is a buddy of ours, going all the way back to Middle School.

2:13 Legitimately me and Brian with the middle school, high school and college with this guy and he has been in the high school coaching ranks for well over right at 15 years, coached at Halifax County, High School down in South, Boston Virginia our High School alma mater. And then from there, went over to JH Rose High School down in Greenville, North Carolina. Where he produced multiple NFL Talent, multiple Collegiate prospects and also got a inside view to the Camping World. So without further ado, Our buddy, Robbie hambone Compton.

2:55 Here we go. So I'm fellows. How's it going buddy? What kind of man hanging in there? Didn't have quite the Father's Day weekend experience. You guys had that a little traveling had to get back home. You know, it's trying to trying to get this thing done. One night, earlier late last week but my vocation didn't allow that to happen. So spend a little time in which North Carolina in the mountains and Receptions, not so good. No, it's not so good. That's a good, you know, we try to get it rolling on Thursday didn't quite get it going, but hey, we're here tonight.

3:36 We're having fun. So that's all that matters. Damn right, well, last week, we got together with Robbie because, you know, we're running through. So that we should talk about giving his getting, getting his Insight lining this up, and it was good. Like we were like, this is going to work. This is awesome. And then, what do you say? Robbie earlier today, I was probably, On the thousand chance they we got to talk the for that. Did you actually have enough signal even in all the stars aligned on Wednesday afternoon when we sat down and had our little little pregame there and then when it was time for prime time and didn't quite happen. Yeah. We got, we got blocked by the great North Wilkesboro Raceway.

4:16 If I have my way, he's gonna come back. You guys, if you have anything, but do just gonna throw that out there, go check it out, bring back a track with whoops. They didn't even wait, we got to bring that thing back to its prominence. Well, are they getting the Earnhardt? Didn't Earnhardt dumping some money into it. There there there's a bunch of different bunch of different ideas right now of streams of Revenue that they're trying to go in there and bring that Trap Back along with along with a couple other tracks in North Carolina. I don't live in North Carolina right now but I'm a big supporter of those, those old tracks down there and the heart and the origination Stock car racing comes from a lot of those tracks in North Wilkesboro and and Rockingham them. They're going to do some things I think in the future to bring some of that stuff back.

5:06 But I hope they do because I can remember being kids and I say kids, you know, we were probably, you know, third grade and up those track for fun because when they were at those tracks, it was some bumping and some grinding and some racing and some fist fight after the game after the racism. Parking lots and was thrown in cars, all that fun stuff. People jumping in you know kind of like a typical Saturday night of South Boston Speedway. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll be there. All the third boys will be there which I was I don't think I'm gonna make it through that one right on again I figured might as well throw it in there.

5:48 You're not going to find. I'm on a Virginia Tech podcast, you're not going to find a bigger support of Virginia Tech and Jeff Burton. Jab and water are two of the biggest proponents and trying to bring that track back along with Rockingham. So I'll do what I can to help them out. Try to put that word out a little bit. Good stuff. Definitely put the word out there, get the original NASCAR tracks back to maybe bring some people back to the sport of watching it. So yeah. So Robbie obviously we hit you up a couple months ago and started talking to you about camps and obviously June 1, the Dead period finally ended in everything. Be all over this country opened up.

6:30 Can see not one or two. I think what Virginia Tech has still. Got more going on this week. Oh, absolutely. So many camps. So as we started talking me and Brian kind of we hit up, Robbie one day. We're all like on, you know, Skype and we're chatting. And next thing, you know, like an hour had went by. We're just chatting up the stuff. And it's like, oh, we got an episode. We got an episode. We gotta do this. We gotta bring our boy on. We gotta talk to him about it. So what we're going to start with folks is you see these camps, right? Robbie you. You see guys saying going to the camp, going to the camp. Yep. And then as we started talking to Robbie well how the hell do you? How do you get involved into two camps? The these camps you'll see These camps especially here in the last few years you get Flyers you get you can see driving back the other day from Wilkesboro I noticed on one of the have to digital boards.

7:33 Now it can image changes, there was one up there, coming outside of Greensboro, I think it was for UNC, of course, it says, Matt Brown is back. Last time I checked Mack Brown, been back three or four years. Graham is back. Check out his football kill back. Yeah, they've got all these dates listed for his camps on the billboard out there. Yeah, I mean so the camps are huge, they're pushing these things and I mean there's so many ways with these camps nowadays, the, the, the big thing Of course as coaches, these colleges and things have these camps. They put these camps on and they'll send mail out flyers and stuff to the coaches.

8:27 Okay. Especially I know in North Carolina is huge from all the other places. All the other colleges they send out, they have mailers for the different high schools and then send them to the coaches. The coaches can post them in their locker, rooms weight rooms or whatnot, then the kids can see the camps, they're on every one of those mailers that has a thing on there. It says, for prospects, see such and such.com, you know, Virginia Tech or however they wherever their campsite comes zup and the the athletes can go in there and it'll bring up a questionnaire and they can fill out things for the questionnaire to put their information in as a prospect. And once they do that, they'll get they'll get tons of information from those schools.

9:13 At the prospect they'll get mailers about camps. They'll get Flyers about, you know, it's all its promotional mailings from the college, has a lot of kids. Get that confused with recruiting those things and you know you're going to get the information that they want you to get. It's going to promote them. It's going to look the best they can and a lot of that information comes to those camps. I mean you can put that in there and then it will send you a thing and you can get right to that campsite find it. Sign up. You can pay your dues, they'll link to hotels and stuff in the area and they'll get you hooked right up and right into that camp of ready to go, man. so now but I think you, you ask this the other week about is that the only way No, that's not the only way you have I say, you know, I went to the recruiting part now there's players, typically your bigger schools, your power, five schools, things like that.

10:19 They're looking for students in there. Looking for those athletes in between their 10th and 11th grade year going into their junior season. Okay. Now when those prospects are there and that 10th and 11th grade season, your toppings, prospects you're hearing about them and and all these recruiting bases and all those things like that, those coaches and those recruiters know who those guys are. And they're talking to those guys and they're telling them, you know, these were the days of our camps and all of these, all of these schools are going to have. If you see the Flyers, you see the stuff, they'll have Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Junior Day cancer Prospect camps. They might have a Saturday afternoon, they might have the seven-on-seven tournament.

11:10 They may have a teen camp, then they'll have all kinds of cancers, not just the individual camp, but they have all different kinds and they go through things like that and they'll find they'll find those prospects and they'll make sure that those kids get You know, get those Camp dates there and you're going to get those kids of those camps. So, I mean, you you're going to have, you're going to have situations where some of these kids, your top in prospects, they want them there on campus so bad, it's an unofficial visit. They can get them bad without they can waive. The cost of the camp. They give scholarships or, or vouchers for the cost of the camp. If, you know, if the athlete has issues paying for the camp things, like, That but if if they're recruiting that kid and they need their kid to be seen in front of their coaches, that gives going to be at that camp.

12:04 They're going to get them there while we're on that. I know you kind of talked about you know the different types of camps under Thursday, Friday Saturday and some are on different days. Let's just run through the different types of camps that that you see offered by these universities. Oh yeah, the different kinds of camps. I mean you've got your going to use, you'll see. A stitches. Like I said, individual schools will have their own camps. You'll have safe, Virginia Tech, or you NC NC State. They're going to have a camp and you're going to see it. Nine times out of 10. It's going to be sponsored by their head coach. Yeah, it'll be it'll be Dave during football camps dot llc.com, or, or however it goes.

12:54 And that nature. I'm not out trying to promote any of them. I don't know. It's lights are but generally they're there ran by a limited liability company from the coaching Point. Not from the University. And I'm sure that holding say a thing behind all of that, I'm not sure how that works. So, that's run essentially, by the coaches, LLC of, they're essentially leasing The Examiner resting spent leasing the facility and things from, from the University. Yep. And the old way they used to do it as they did. A lot of that with so that they could hire coaches and things like that to come in and help with the camps and do some things of that nature.

13:38 That's how I got involved. With a lot of them, I worked several Camp. I work camps to a dude. You wouldn't see a bunch of NC State. I work some of these. See you I actually did a couple of things that for jigna Tech years ago, but that wouldn't I wouldn't paid for that. I just took a kid there, they found out. I was in the coach so they had me help with a few little things just because they knew I had some it had some experience. But so hold on. Last quick question and this is kind of gonna go back to both pieces. So when you're saying they ran by an LLC or the coaches, LLC your some you're talking about scholarships. So essentially If you have a player right now that they want the kid doesn't have $200 to kid. Can't stay in the hotel room.

14:26 Essentially they're just saying, hey Robbie, you just get him up here, he will take care of the payment don't worry, they're not gonna, they're not going to provide a place to stay. Okay. Him like that. But, you know, they can, they can get rid of the cost of the camp. Okay. Okay. And I think that's a lot where a lot of the thing comes from being with the coaching stuff and that's just my opinion in my view on it. Yeah, when it comes to dealing with the NCAA, I don't know that you'll ever get a straight answer. Exactly how that runs. But but I mean, I just wanted this one of those fun gray areas at the NCAA, has I think that's a big part of it, but they do. They're going to get this kids, they're those prospects there. They really like they're going to get them there and they're gonna find wait now.

15:11 Yeah, something something I heard it was mentioned JC price. Who just got hired for Marshall over to Tech obviously Lon Not everything. He mentioned numerous times by, I think me. And you talked about this probably a couple months ago, he was consistently mentioned in date, Justin him to mention to you about. Oh yeah. When Marshall was up here. Yeah. What are those? What are, you know, just just like you have those individual team camps. You'll see especially in those individual camps, you'll get those big Power, five schools. You know, the big names, they'll draw they draw bigger prospects. I mean, that's how it works. Yeah, you know, the bigger. The name to figure the prospects, they'll drop it well and they'll also draw more numbers.

15:56 So you get a you get a lot of teams that work with guys. I remember work going to several of the Virginia Tech things with couple recruits we had from Halifax every time I went, they are, you could always count on a representative or coach somewhere from JMU being their coach Christ. One of them I think, at the time with J mu that was at several of those. But they, they have, they have schools locally that have ties in to them, whether their coaches played or watch coach. Did that school or coach with that coaching another school, things of that nature.

16:36 So, we're going to see in is, you know, you've got these top-end prospects, but you've also got some smaller kids, and maybe hadn't been noticed yet, but some of these smaller schools can get in and see it that camp because they're coming to Virginia Tech's camp and may not be coming to JMU. He's Camp. Okay, you may see your school like like Bridgewater or via my Washington and Lee may have somebody in some of those because they're fairly local, they're closer, you know, small division, three schools or something like that. They can pick up prospects that way to by, seeing them at camp and picking things up and that's a lot of does. It does individual team can't. Okay. Now, the biggest Trend now, you get a lot of likes. I'd like camps and these big Mega camps where you might get a group of two or three coaches hosting this huge thing, and it turns into like a regional Camp.

17:33 So you've got two or three colleges, they're big in North Carolina UNC, Charlotte North Carolina, A&T will hold one, and then they'll have all of the hbcus coming in. You'll have schools like Penn State, Michigan, that come Min and look at things like that, school from far away. And I think what a lot of that is doing is if they're bringing these prospects that are having trouble getting 1,500 miles from, you know, Central North Carolina to Ann Arbor Michigan. Now they can come to these camps because they've been invited to these like camps and they can see prospects in regions that maybe that would take way too much to get them up there outside of their normal footprint.

18:20 Yeah. There's there's one thing to hold $85 camp and say, hey, I can way that I can take care of $85, we could have been, but you got to get here. It's a lot easier to drive two hours from the coast of North Carolina in the Raleigh, and then get back afterwards, rather than it is, they will waive your your $85 can't fee and Ann Arbor Michigan, but you got to figure out how to get 1,500 miles up here and back. That's a little bit different story. So, that's where those those bigger kids come in, like that. Sure. Did you have those the Nike Elite, the VTO camps and things like that there? Bragging rights measuring stick camps. You know they're going to give you pure numbers. You know you'll have some coaches and stuff there but nine times out of ten, they're held sometime when you're recruiting period is as so-called closed getting 40 times and and and vertical jumps and all those kinds of scores. They're looking at those things and it's a way to kind of compare athletes so that kind of camp. A little bit different, but some of them still some of the things still apply, there is you'll get kids coming in there that are invited.

19:37 They are and not paying to get into them. A lot of problems. There's gonna be my next question. I was like, how many of with the sponsor Camp? How many of those are like invite only or mostly invite only and how many are are more like those individual camps in terms of if you can pay the money to get there? You can go. Yep. The yarn you can, you can go to any of them when you pay that when you pay that fee to get there, okay? Usually there are no restrictions as they cut off of that age group, usually it's either Rising 9th graders to Rising thin, use, things of that nature, but they don't typically have six and seventh graders, things like that. Now, there are pimps out there that will take the really young kids.

20:27 I myself have not a huge fan of that, I don't understand why you're going to recruit a kid in sixth grade and that's that's more of a basketball thing. The whole different conversation they'd like to start recruiting early before the kid ever hits a sudden growth spurt. I mean, whatever. But I mean, it lets your a sixth grader that can sling the ball. 50 yards. I'm not sure. Oh yeah. But you really going to gain out of that, right? Absolutely. You never know that that that 6:10 ready to swing the ball, 50-yard by time. He hits the 10th grade might be 270 pounds and might be one hell of a Long Snapper. You never know. But now I'm trying to think Robbie. I go back to a conversation with Kentavious. Treat, one of your players down at Rose. Obviously.

21:16 Remember the San Francisco 49ers. Gee. He go his Under Armour was that just the game that he go to the camp and the game. He did not. He, he went to, he went to several. He went to a couple of the Nike VTO camps, okay? Going on the armor Camp, okay? Actually, he was invited to the Under Armour All-American Game, remember that? He was also invite. He also went to the u.s. army All-American coming by, and And was the MVP of the u.s. army All-American combine and was invited to the u.s. army All-American game, which is when he played in was he already on the radar of a lot of schools or was when he got to that US Army like combine where it popped where he was getting some Regional attention.

22:06 I remember we offered him stayed offered him was that where he went from like a regional Prospect I mean chemical. He was 96, he was in the top 100. Yeah, absolutely. He was armed. He was on some Radars early on in his high school career. And I say that because in his ninth grade season, he was in Georgia. Okay, and I played it. He was actually playing it, coffee High School in Georgia. He was, he was playing with another guy that's in, in the NFL. I think he plays for the Chiefs Tyreke Hill. Oh, really. I think they were written in the same High School deal than in the same High School area in court, okay?

22:52 Yeah, they've got some they've got some pretty good reason to talk about prospects there. I would think Especially two of them faced off in a Super Bowl. I don't know two years ago, but he had some, he had some recruiting ideas when he came to us, okay? And the thing was there was there was a year in there, a year and a half a year where he had moved and people are just kind of wondering where he went to because, you know, is trying to find her then all of a sudden he started popping up at camps, you know, up and down the East Coast where he was popping up and, you know, Georgia, And Georgia Tech and and Ole Miss in some areas down there.

23:34 Then he started popping up UNC and sea State Virginia Tech. You know, he started popping up in a different area. People start to recognize. Is this kid that good, that he that he spread that for now, but He he started, he started in a different recruiting area, so different coaches started seeing it, and then he hit, then he hit that mvp and at that US Army game and it really took off. I mean, coaches, the coaches do were recruiting him before. Started finding out where it was. You felt it coaches in the recruitment, being it appeared, so that I mean, that's just, that's another one of those camps, you know, he went to several other camps, but kept getting them recognized.

24:20 And he kept running up the ladder as a higher Prospect kept getting invited to more chance and that's where he ended up. I mean I think that year but he graduated he was the number two or number three. Defensive end in the country behind the Sean hand out of wood bridge in Northern Virginia he ended up going to Alabama. Can Kentavious selected go to n.c. state with a little bit more of a family atmosphere and the thought of playing from the beginning, which he did, he started off for years Yes, he did. We had a bad. A pretty solid defensive line when he was there, too. When he was, he was great. He was a standout but they were pretty solid across. Yeah, thank you. After he was a member of four defensive linemen that were drafted and the first four rounds of the 2018 draft. So yeah, it worked out pretty well for that group of guys. Yep, and he's still in the league. Still under contract with the Niners, absolutely waiting for you.

25:14 To fly me out to a game, so we can go to sleep. Hey, I'm I was all ready to go to a game. Last year. Oh yeah, we all more how that happened. I had a cardboard cutout of myself to put the stadium out there and make you feel like I was there, so Robbie. So let's let's put a little bit. So we figured out what what's going on with these camps, are about your player, you're a coach, you got some players that are signed up for these camps. What do they expect when they get there? And when they roll into that camp, it's going to it's going to be.

25:55 I opened into some of those individuals. Like I said, you're going to you're going to have age limits on these camps. A lot of them are going to be rising 9th graders to Rising Juniors, okay? Those Rising 11th graders. I'm sorry Rising seniors. Those rise and 11th graders Rising seniors. They're looking to find their place for the four years when they when they finish High School. Younger guys are trying to are trying to get their named trying to get their self seen trying to get their names on the scene and and start building that reputation and what you're going to get when you get there. All right.

26:35 They're going to come in a lot of the camps that I've been around. I've worked they're going to roll in and they have some kind of idea of how many they want in the group and they're going to come in and they're going to, they're going to stir and say they're going to have like an hour for registration so you have an hour or time to get there when so many kids get their they're going to start them stretching and they're going to send them off to the side. Then the next group of so many is coming in, they're gonna start on the stretching and get them going. And when that ours up they're going to bring them all together. Start splitting them off by position. Things of that nature and then they're going to start those combine tight workouts. You know, you're going to have a lot of them. Have 40s Pro shuttle, vertical jump or broad jump. Different schools do different ones, vertical jump, broad, jump, you're going to have L drills and things of that nature.

27:39 So they're going to, they're going to get those combine scores. They're also going to get the height and the weight, things like that. That those those are the ones that tell it, the Big Bopper because college coaches, when they hit that combine, they're going to tell the truth Jack. You're gonna, it's gonna be a lot of kids disappointed in the first ten. Minutes, they get to that camp because their High School coach has been telling them that they're 63. And that cat 6 1 and a quarter. Well, we won't in high school. We will deal the team to think that our skill guys, are bigger than they are and we wanted to thank our linemen or smaller than they are. So when they walk all Wyman and they go well he's only 61 and 260 pounds.

28:20 Yeah that cat 65 290 Pounds. I'm gonna have my hands full. Is might be fudging the numbers a little bit to get to get a mental Edge, over the world. Yeah. Put some put some tube socks on it. Put your cleats on stayed in the tippy toes. I get a measurement. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna measure. We're going to measure a skill guys, we're going to measure. I still guys with cleats on and on the tip toes. And you know, if they've got, if they've got the faux hawk, we're going to learn. We're not pressing the line. I'm going to be barefooted with bent knees and slouching. Yeah, we're going to we're going your shoulders for a little bit. We don't need an extra half inch so that the very beginning of that camp.

29:10 That's why I said it's going to be a little bit out some of these kids. When they do some of these things, they're going to think they're fast and and all of this and they're going to find some kids are truly are fast and it's going to be it's going to awaken some of them that hey I might not I'm here to get my name put out there. I got a lot of work to do before. Or I hit that Rising Junior Rising senior year, where people are going to be trying to push offers and things of that nature. I got a lot of work to do, if I'm going to keep up with those guys, but it gives them that mental Edge. They get to see those. You know what? It's like to be that kind of Prospect and that's a big thing, but it, but it's also a place to where you see a lot of times with these camps and especially this time of year and we watch the rankings.

29:55 I know they're not everything to you, but we're not as in control. Connected as you are. But you see guys go and fall because you see a guy, they expected. Like you said a little earlier. Oh, 65 to 80 shit. He's 62. And he's 260. Yeah, he's into shorter. He 30 pounds. Lighter or 20 pounds, lighter his arms aren't as long, and and then we run them through the drills. He did good on his drills but he's 62 to 65. He was saying stop 280. Running up drills. Like that. He be skyrocketing. Oh absolutely. Let me ask this. You said what they're getting? They're getting a lot of good stuff. But what aren't they getting that?

30:36 Some of the kids that you've taken that you've had a sit-down, have conversations with and say, you're not going to get this at these camps that they have to understand. They're not when they go to these camps, nine times out of ten, they're not getting a. Here's how to play your position of football camp. Okay? They're looking at You play this position. We're going to see how you play it and how well you play it. Now, that's not saying that the coaches and the people running the camp, while I'm going to give them some tips or some things, that'll make them a little better and help them out in certain ways. But they're not, you know, they're not going to go from the start.

31:19 This is how we do our stance. This is how we do this. This is how we do that. Now, they may go over some of that so that they can understand what the individual is looking at. Okay? This is how we this is how we work with. Backers of, this is how we work with DB, and this is what we look for now not all coaches, look for that. And I've heard coaches to, you know, you can you do it your way? Because when it comes down to it in August September and October you got to do it the way, your coach is telling you to do it because if you turn around and tell them coach Huxtable was one of the best of them. He was linebackers coach at NC State for several years. Those trucks will said, I can tell you all. I want to hear. He said, but if you go back to your coach and tell him to coach Huxtable told you to do it this way, I'm going to you lied to get it done.

32:11 He said, because I'm not going to tell you that our way is any better than anybody else's, and you just have to do that. So if you're going into that camp expecting to learn how to play, you know, Virginia Tech's defense, you're probably, you probably be better off taking that money and buying, you know, Frank Beamer's special teams book. Or something like that. But I mean you're not going to learn to complete specific social position or anything that has cancer. They're going to learn what you know about playing the position playing leverage, playing the game and how you do it. If you want to play back or you're better off by Bud Foster's, coaching Bible than you are going to a camp. Absolutely.

32:55 All right, so we're at a good part here. We're going to take a brief break and have a message from our digital partner. Alright, so we're back guys. Now Robbie something. I didn't know this. Well, maybe I didn't know this, but I just didn't remember us talking about it, but you and obviously, guys, you coach with you guys have actually evaluated for schools. Correct. Is this something that is pretty common among the High School coaches at P5. Cams, or is it more relationships building between the school and the head coaches of those schools? I Think it's, I think it's, I think it's got a lot to do with the relationships. You build with what some of the coaches and they they learned, they understand the trust and and how you're coaching things, and what you're doing.

33:45 And things of that nature, a big part of it anyway, a big part of the whole process is that relationship. You build with those coaches if they if those coaches are evaluating your players and You're telling them, they're this and they're that, and then they get to the school or they get to these camps and they don't back that up. Then there's a question about you know, what your portray into them. But when you, when you're constantly telling these coaches that are recruiting these kids, what kind of kids they are, I tell kids all the time when we're doing recruiting stuff, we're talking to the coaches. I'm not going to lie to the coach, I'm going to tell them the truth. If you're, if you're 100% motor kid, but you're not the greatest technical player.

34:30 Or things of that nature. I'm going to let him know that if your craptastic individual that doesn't want to listen and doesn't want to follow the coaching but a spectacular athlete. I'm going to tell the coach that because I'm not going to have any, it sounds, it sounds kind of personal, but I'm not going to have my reputation ruined by sending the kid out there, that I praised and said we're so great. And then it turned around and not be that player. I mean, we're getting honest with them. Are you putting your name on it? You going to you going to tell the truth? Absolutely. And coaches coaches. See those things and they understand that base. They start to see that the players you're sending them and what their reputation is and how you evaluate things.

35:15 And I mean, I've had some situations where I've had coaches that would that allow me to give my input on players and things of that nature. Now, by no means. Am I doing You know, they're recruiting for them or anything like that. But I mean, I've had coaches that have allowed me to give my input on what the, what the players at those camps, you know, how they performed and what they did well and and how they could improve. If they would fit into the situation, especially one coach in particular that I worked with. I knew. And he knew that we worked for so long together, that we actually ran a lot of the same drills and everything your practices and the he knew he I knew that I knew exactly what to look for in these drills and the things he was doing. So he felt comfortable with me running a drill just like he would, you know, his own GA or things of that nature. So, I mean, that that kind of worked out and it was it was very useful at the camp.

36:16 So let's talk about the evaluation so we can start. This is when looking for something we're gonna start with, we're going to start with but with my bread and butter offensive line defensive line, well we're when you're evaluating those positions at a camp, what type of things are you looking for? From the defensive line? What type of things are you looking for, from the offensive line? All right? How long is this podcast? Right? Don't matter. What was you wanted to take a sip? Take us that if I take this is yeah that got a wet. The whistle here to get this one going. There we go. The camps like we said before you know you got a bunch of different kinds of camps. The the big like there's big VTO camps and things like that, nine times out of ten, all they're going to get out of that. Most of the time is your combine stuff. You will get some that they get lighter enough that you'll get some one-on-ones with some offensive lineman has to be. Bees and receivers and linebackers and running backs. Things of that nature but a lot of those super camps or the regional camps and stuff you're going to have anywhere from 800 to 1,000 kids show up.

37:30 It's hard to get all of those kids in the two-and-a-half hour period, through all of that stuff and give any of them a chance to do a one-on-one. Yeah we smaller camps in your you're more focused sponsor camps I guess you could call them. You're going to See, one-on-ones and things like that. Now, Like you said it bread-and-butter do the o-line d-line. I mean, I play do line through school, the vast majority of my experience in coaching has been with offensive and defensive line. I've coached linebackers dbe's receivers tight ends running back. I've coached all of those at some point but my biggest things, o line of do you I know what you'll notice.

38:15 A lot of these, a lot of these camps when it It's the one-on-ones. There's no helmets. There's no shoulder pads. Now a lot of the, a lot of these camps there are going to where they can use helmets and a lot of that is on the new rules with the concussions and things of that nature. But a lot of times before there were no helmets involved in it. So in that case you get you get a lot of pass rusher in a lot of Russian and things of that nature and it's going to take part of that. I don't want to say part of the evaluation out of it, but it's going to take certain parts of things out because these players are going to be conscious of where the other player is and whether their opponent is and things like that because they're not, they don't want to take a chance of getting hurt and we understand that. So a lot of the offensive linemen defensive lineman, the first thing you look for is is there there get off their footwork offensive, linemen and defensive line handwork. Things of that nature.

39:15 It's really about that first step. You can tell a lot about a pass rusher and an offensive lineman by that first step. You know, if that first step for the defensive lineman is quick, fasten the ground and he gets close as a gap, tremendously between him and the offensive linemen right? At the snap of the ball. There's no delay. Things of that nature, you know, he can probably beat that guy, he can get in if he dies. Mrs. Wyman if he can close the gap, he gets an advantage, the offensive lineman, if he can get that step back, his feet aren't too wide. He's got good balance and he keeps that separation. He's got a better chance of winning that thing so that first step is huge and then after that first step you're looking a lot at where those hands have being placed. If they offensive lineman's hands are close together. He's got good extension, good separation and keep a defensive lineman away from him.

40:12 I mean, he's got a good chance to keep making steps. And keeping that separation that defensive. Lineman can close that separation. Get his hands on the linemen on the offensive line where he can move him and control the situation. He's got a good chance of winning that and for us a lot of it ends there. Okay. Some of the kids you'll see a lot of those one-on-one. You know you evaluate you've evaluated the first step and all of this the offensive linemen clearly wanted but the defensive lineman still gets to the bag. Or the barrel or whatever. This is Lady quarterback. Okay, good job, kid. Let's see what he does and he continued to push hard and fast through all of that. Got to the Barrel Spring, it all the way back to your spot. Okay, he's a hard-working kid.

40:55 He's tremendous now granted, it took him four and a half seconds to get to the barrel. The offensive line. Probably beat it. Yeah. Four and a half seconds of the quarterback, hadn't got the ball out and he's knocking at barrel down, then he's probably done some really good things there so you just have to evaluate that. Now, would you in the opposite situation is what you're looking for, the fat kid, you know, three and a half seconds out. He offensive lineman's got separation and he just kind of gives it up gets pushed around or pancakes. And the offensive lineman's laying on top of it, then you're going to start kind of questioning, you know, is that kid got to work ethic to continue to fight just in case the quarterback is holding the ball that long.

41:43 Yeah. So the evaluation kind of goes that way with those guys so you're looking for a lot of the initial stuff and then you're looking for a kind of effort. Absolutely that. After that point now I mean when it when it comes to a full pads and things like that, things can change in a split second you know, you could have a great first Up that offensive lineman could have a an amazing upper-body strength to just even though he's creepy, you've closed that separation, he can latch on and extend it out and take that something take the separation back. I mean there's things like that, but you're not going to see a lot of that in the into 10 ones without pads, and things of that nature. And then here in the last year, of course, well, they didn't have camps then, but they got to a because the covid, but they got to a point.

42:32 Point at one time where a lot of folks they had to have pads in between them, more of the safety issues, things and stuff like that, and it's really hard to evaluate the continuance of a lot of that stuff for this pads too. You ever see like, for example, you mentioned in the offensive line and I know I've seen videos where the offensive linemen celebrating because he's throwing the guy. Yeah, great. You look where he threw the guy. Well, you just killed your quarterback and his ACL is done and you have no team. So does it does it as a coach when you see especially offensive defensive line drills because they are so focused. Do you ever is it ever something, the coaches, the P5, the head coaches, or the positional coaches who are working on you?

43:22 Looking at, like this guy thought he won that said, he's celebrating pimp walk and act like he's the shit and that coaches said over here like son. No you don't you don't need to do that. Is that a gun? You just got ten yards and he killed your quarterback. Absolutely. Now are you just like we said with the with the defensive lineman, you know, as he did all that that and he got slapped around for four and a half seconds. Then the offensive line was kind of like, all right, I've whipped him enough, he spends back runs off and blast the barrel. Now he thinks he's awesome. Well, five seconds ago you would have been off but poor and a half seconds to get there. Didn't do you much good? Do that often climb in the first step?

44:02 He lost his constituency lost a separation. He took bad steps. His feet were real wide. The only choice he had was to grab a whole and, you know, Sumo into the ground, okay? Well, the more than likely we're going to see if he's going to get to a side with both hands out and he thinks okay to, he never got to the quarterback. I took him out or he comes down hard inside and he defensive lineman is laid out so far and he just slammed them down. He slammed him right through the quarterbacks knees, you know, he thinks he's done something, but the coaches going. Well, if you'd have taken your step and get to put your hand, Placement, right? And done all that.

44:46 The start with even never beat you there anyway. But it's all on, it's all sometimes that will show you how the kids is is unfortunately show you how to kid is coached if they think that's doing what they need to be doing. Yeah and I mean it's definitely an evaluation tool if you think you're winning a rep doing that? The yeah the coaching definitely there or you sure you're not you're not absorbing it and I'm guessing that goes into things. All right, so let's jump off. Y'all bread and butter we talked about it for about 10 minutes. And let's move on to the next one. Now, offensive defensive line is we you get someone directly in front of you things to look for. Oh yeah, we talked about was running back in linebackers, Robbie when, when these coaches are looking at running back, what are they specifically looking for in camps? Because again, like you mentioned already they're not in pads and helmets, they can't do everything, but what specific variable for running backs?

45:45 Well, one thing you'll see a lot in camps, and we We kind of touched at it earlier is when they go in they're going to separate them by position and you're going to go off with your offensive line group, you're going to go off with your defensive line group. You're going to go off with you, running back groups, your linebacker groups, each player, a come into this thing more than likely, it's going to have a position that they're working. Most of these guys that they come in. And they're going to work two positions. It's going to be it's going to be notified early that they're working, two positions, okay? And a lot of times, a lot of times, the two positions are going to be on the same side of the ball.

46:29 So you may have one kid that that's working linebacker and strong safety. Very seldom. Do you see a kid that's going to come in to a camp and work linebacker and running back or something of that? You may you may catch a linebacker then it's going to do something. After the camp as a Long Snapper, or special teams guy, something like that, but you're not. It's hard to go in and do the drills on both sides like that. So we may get a kid that does linebacker and strong safety because at his high school, he may be you know, weak side linebacker. That's actually play in the strong safety position that it was. It's kind of weird in those situations, but they split them up like that.

47:16 And you're going to do drills and things specific to that position. So you're going to see in those drills by position. What those kids do with those athletes to do in, run situations, or read situations, all of those type things. When you get to these one-on-one 95% of the time, it's a passing situation. So that makes when you when you start talking about running backs and linebackers, that makes things a lot different in the evaluation process simply because well as a running back You're going to have play-action, and then sometimes you're going to have free release.

48:04 Tight wraps. Yeah, when you're in, that one-on-one situation, you're still going to see some play action to Route. So you still see some free release routes, things like that. But you're not going to see that running back in a one-on-one situation step up in the in the play action and then walk chip the the Russian egg. Yeah. You know you're not going to do that in one on ones, you're going to him fake that and then run his choice. Route, over the middle against the linebacker. You're going to see him run their free release bubble or swing out of the back field or the wheel route, which is who will write. I have nightmares about will route, I love will routes. I do too.

48:48 As you know, if I want to call an offense in the guy out there, I do. But you know, there's only so many times you can, you could tell a linebacker. Only so many times you can tell him in a day to watch the wheel route before, maybe he might watch it before the game tonight. Probably not. We got to let one get by at least. Oh yeah, we just have to hope did the running back. Does not catch very well. There we go. But unfortunately. Most of the time is running back. Doesn't catch very well.

49:32 Where's the crawler going to be y back again? I get I guess I trap right? He's still getting good information man, that's all that matters. The one-on-ones with running backs and linebackers are going to be past situations. So me being a defensive coordinator for the last several years. I hated the parts of some of those 10 ones because my linebackers are going to, they know, right off the bat, I'm in a one-on-one situation in the past situation. So I have to make sure that they're still taking their proper what I call foot fire. Still taking proper steps where they're initially reading? Yep.

50:18 Okay, that part is going to be evaluated, you're going to see coaches looking at that. And there they want to know. Because that kid is that kid going to be reading on the play. Even if he knows his third and 17 and The Scouting Report says they throw 97 percent of the time on Third and anything, 7 plus the he's going to pass you steal, better be foot fire and ready to read because they might run a draw for 18 yards or third, but he better be ready for that hokey quarterback power on Third and 17. So I mean, you've got to be ready for it because yes, it's 97 percent of the time because three percent of the time that they're not in those one-on-ones, you're going to get, you're going to get especially younger kids. They're not making that good fire step. They're not making that read step, they immediately eyes go to the running back, there running, downhill cords running back, which they Juiced in a heartbeat, and it's bad news that, but that's where that evaluation comes in. You know, we kept running back, going out. You're looking for, you're looking for his route is he is he going to deepen the bubble?

51:27 Is he running to Flat? Is he gaining ground before he supposed to? When he's running this Choice, route, or things of that nature, as a running back going in and forcing the linebacker to make a decision, which way to go. So he can break his choice. Route to create separation. The same thing with the linebacker is he closing ground too early and taking the field advantage away from itself these leverage. Yeah yeah he watching the running back and not paying attention to anything. Nothing else because a lot of times as we know football you know the quarterback might be reading that linebacker. If he puts his eyes directly on the running back and takes off in in there and he's got a bead on that running back and not making his reads and keys that inside receiver might be coming in and setting up where he left. You know, you may be getting a slant or a or Shoot. I can't even tell you the name of it right now too. Late at night.

52:28 I'm lost working on my on my Master's, for my special education degree and it's got my mind blown right now, I'm losing work. They're running hooks, or come back and things and they're sitting down with a linebacker left. It shows that they're not making their reads, you know, because he's taken off out there to the back because it's the only thing in that drill. That's Yeah, but you have to show that you're still making your, your angle, your 45 degree angle or whatever, you're covering your Zone, if that's what the coverage is, or you're playing your main underwear. It is more like a dig. If you try to find the wide receiver, tries to find the soft spot there. Absolutely.

53:10 So nice, big piece, when doing especially on run back, linebacker drill, especially for the linebacker is He's having the mentality of. I don't give a damn, you know what the running play? We thing you normally do because the guy looking at you over there, that's what he wants to see if you're doing all this stuff. He starts saying, okay, this kid's got a head on his shoulders, his kids listening, this kids understanding how to be coached by his high school coach to say. Okay, I've got to do my read. I've got to step by step into the Gap. Do I step out and be like, what are the, where do I go now? From the running back side, You've mentioned route, obviously. They're looking at hands, but I'm assuming as much as leverage, it is for the linebacker.

53:55 It's the running back when they get that ball, one-on-one understanding The Leverage. Against the linebacker. I absolutely like again I'm assuming it's more heading things you're sitting here with it. All right? There's no one blocking out there. You're going to run that way. I'm sure there are times where you probably sit there and say, well, of course there's no one blocking out there. You got an angle on him, you're going to get 15 yards. Yeah, that's not going to happen every time. No, because you've got a shitty wide receiver who don't know how to block in the quart bags coming in. You can't give it that way. Every decided it would be easier if he didn't block, you know. Yeah, I just I just whipped a decent linebacker because I created good separation and I can angle away from him. You dip?

54:42 There's Kam Chancellor. Standing back and safety decisions. You're not getting any further than this. I mean that's yeah, that's a big in the boom. And the legion will be there to help you simple. But I mean is that running back there looking at you know yes he charges that backer and he pressed a certain way and got a release so he got the linebacker to play. His is outside half. He turned to the inside, over the middle of the field, catches the ball. How is he? We know what is he doing? Where is he catching? The ball? Is he catching it with his hands, he catching it. You know underneath into his chest is he protecting the ball? Things of that nature, how he's tucking the ball away, is he turning up field and go is he making an angle, you know, different things like that they're looking forward to figure out, you know, in the thing use Like sometimes they'll tell they'll tell you beforehand, okay? You've got a single high safety over the top that you know if you turn straight up a middle of the field, he's going to be in your mouth, he's gonna knock you out. So you better take the angle towards the side, where the corner got cleared or something of that nature. Just like the thing, you know they're one-on-ones but did we ever?

55:57 You know, they look at that Library. Do we ever tell you? It was man coverage. No youyou went off blazing to the running back, you know, yeah you had him covered but the hook in the middle called the ball, they caught the seam over the top because you didn't have a own people, is you to play this. I'm going to come down to where I thought it was man to man. Well you should be, you should be finding out what the four years before he and coaches will do things like that to get that evaluation because a lot of times you'll get, will you playing man-to-man? Yes, sir. I was Did we tell you, who's man know what should you have done? I should have dropped into my zone. Kept my eyes on the running back and look for the inside receiver coming into my zone, okay, they just did a self evaluation right there.

56:44 The kid knows what to do, but thinking that it was one-on-one, he did what he had to. And now, all of a sudden, I've got the evaluation of what he's going to do in one-on-one situation and what he's going to do on the other one. So, I mean, they're giving the coaches, the information there, and he coached arson. See their process of how they're thinking and it really goes a long way into evaluating those things. This thing they need to run it back. I mean he's coming out and you know it, what did we tell you today? God is always going to be one on one and he didn't he didn't come down at you then, what should you have done? You should have turned it into a wheel and went on up field. Well, you should have stopped at a certain spot and waiting for the screen to come back in, you know, however, they suggest that you run, that particular route. Yeah, so I would like a swing it like knowing where the blocks are in the alley.

57:37 Absolutely. So goes on and they can just ask a simple question and it gives them a lot of it. So again, a lot of the stuff for especially running next linebackers because you don't have there's a lot more going on than just. You got to go beat that guy. Like that's a lot. It's more of. They get to see the process and they get to see the mental aptitude of these kids, where, you know, can you catch a ball? Great? Did you catch it? Did you tuck it, right? And then did you know, Where to go appropriately. When we'll play, we call? What Play We called on defense for you to see. Yep. Now What what's next for on?

58:18 All right up. Next we're going to do a little wide receiver in DB, let's have a little fun with this one. Now wide receivers and DVDs are I got a question? A question? Yeah, man. Is this the biggest shit talking. Groups of all of them. Yes. Without a doubt. Just need a confirmation. Yeah. Not even close. Yes, look at me. And I don't know if some of my guys that I've coached over the years, Sing the see this thing which I hope they do. I hope y'all get 10,000 views on this thing. I don't know that I'm doing, I don't know that you haven't me as a guest. He is going to draw quite numbers of Daryl Captain.

58:59 You never know solo. Not that cool. Obviously that I've fooled enough to think they know that. I know what I'm talking about Darryl Tapp does know what he's talking about. So, you know, they would you wide receivers in your DVDs. Nine times out of ten are going to be the yeah, they're going to talk to trash. Now that that's where it's going to be if you want to go to a camp and you want to see the talking back and forth in the competition and then somebody backing it up and somebody getting say pump down and things like that. Go to the wide receiver, DB competitions and just watch it because it is what it is. And but along with that, you're going to go in there and you're going to insult.

59:45 Cases, you're going to see a lot more of the mental aspects to the things and those one-on-ones at that wide receiver and DVDs. If you catch the right wide receivers and DPS. All right, so I'm gonna start with the White House, okay? Okay. A lot of your chest games going to happen there because we're going to see is they're going to? They're going to start seeing that, you know what each other do we In different situations how each other play and they're going to try to take advantage of certain things that each of them do and things of that nature. Now wide receiver the first thing they're going to do is they're going to walk out there as us. Coaches is evaluating these wide receivers we're looking. Probably for three things.

1:00:35 All right, okay, we're probably looking at their initial footwork. Okay. At the snap of the ball of their feet, staying in place, and dancing and doing all this unnecessary movement. I mean we've seen we've seen else a different levels that they run ten yards, they never left the line. Then after that, is their release. And then their route Okay. So that footwork now I'm not saying you can't take a step or two to get them to do because that's what that could be part of your release.

1:01:17 Yeah. Got initial step wide to the to the boundary initial step wide to the field to get that D. Be to try to turn the shoulders right then? Yeah. But that release. If it's a man coverage is you trying to to get him to overextend and Punch early. So you can get his hands down and get the advantage over it. If they're playing softer or if they're playing zone. So that you what you're doing with the release is your press on a certain area, you may be pressing his outside shoulder to get him to flip his hips, towards the sideline and then you can cut underneath him to make him go all the way around. Get what I'm saying?

1:02:00 Yep. Okay. You may press his inside shoulder to get him to open inside and then you cut behind them and streak up the sideline vertically. You know all of those are the releases and things like that. So you're looking immediate and those wide receivers are going to look at those DVDs and go. He really likes to flip his hips quick because he knows, I'm Excuse me, bless you, we can't do that in post production, you know, that's awesome because he knows that, you know, he he knows I'm faster than him vertical so he's gonna flip quit things of that nature. Yeah. So those bit, those are big things in those releases and stuff like that. And then the next thing that you want to look at with that weird eye receiver is their route.

1:02:47 You know if that care if he's supposed to be if he's get off coverage and he's supposed to be running a slant, is he running up sticking his foot in the ground and taking the slant right now, from 5 yards to six and a half yards or if he kind of rounding it off at 5 and making it to about, Tate is he really running a post instead of a sling, it's all about the depth of things because if you're running against a typical typical one high safety look, you know, and we want you to run a slant because we ran the bubble with the back behind you. The linebacker is dropping 45 from four and a half or five yards to about seven or eight. Okay, if you run that slant from five to six and a half, you're going to stay underneath that linebacker which gives you an advantage if you run it too far high that linebacker can cut you off.

1:03:47 Okay. Well regardless of the linebacker, if you cut that thing and you get to that six and a half and then you build to the seven, you're above the middle linebacker by about two yards and still under the safety. If you cheated it too much, and you got to that eight, eight and a half yards, you may be running it at free safety, this not dropping so hard because they're out there. Sure. So it's all about how they're running that route and where that space and comes in because I mean a matter of three or four inches can, can mean you catch any ball or the defender catching the ball. Yep. So those routes have to be crispy things. So things like that. We let me ask you this, do you care so much with the wide receiver when you're evaluating Awaiting them, the catch itself, I do not why, and I don't get a lot of chance to evaluate receivers and a lot of these camps. Um, but I don't take a lot on that simply because 9 times out of 10.

1:04:48 These kids are at camp. And there, you know, this kid is from Rose High School in. The next kid is from, you know, Cape Fear, High School in the next kid is from Havelock, high school and the quarterback is from, you know, Meadowbrook in Richmond. Yeah. Well, he's never played with these three kids, he does the timings different. This quarterback may be left-handed compared to all three of those receivers quarterbacks of right-handed, different spin. Yeah, that kid can go out and get 10 passes thrown to him and he catch 2 out of the 10 and I can still evaluate him as an exceptional receiver, because I seen on tape that this kid catches 85 or Senator ball, is thrown cool.

1:05:37 But a different quarterbacks. Go, make a different You know different altogether in his evaluation just because the ball may be throwing different. Now granted they're going to have to get used to a different quarterback sooner or later. Yeah. But there's going to be a lot of reps to get through that. Yeah, it did he may take 10 reps at this Camp as a receiver and Macey five different quarterbacks. So the fact that that the reception or the bones being caught or things like that, and that thing is not the biggest part of my evaluation by any means my evaluation looking at his footwork, is hands. Now when he does catch it, what does he do with the ball as he running down the field, like Primetime Deion Sanders with a doubt in his hand like this and high-stepping or is he got it tucked away to make sure that the safety is not going to knock it out of his hands or it's not going to get stripped out you know like my man for the Buffalo Bills years.

1:06:31 To go by. What's his name in the Super Bowl Leon Reynolds? Yeah, I'll let ya is he putting it away? Is he doing what he's supposed to do with it? Is he giving a good first effort afterwards when he catches it. Yes, you can evaluate those things but I mean if he doesn't catch a ball I'm not killing them on that. You held the ball might have been six feet over his head because that quarterbacks used to throw into a six four wide receivers and just Kiddin sick. Or like we told him he was he's only six one part of the evaluation is not huge to me, would you?

1:07:14 I'm sure when we get to the next part of this thing where we talk about the quarterbacks, I'll have a little more to say about that as well. The let's go to 2nd half and obviously you know so y'all know if you wondered where this man's credentials are, Our Robbie coach Cornell Powell who was done at Clemson. So before we jump to DVDs on ask one question, you take Cornell to his first camp like this. What was his first thought because Cornell again got highly rated goes to Clemson wins. A national title gets. Drafted essentially to the best offense in the NFL where he probably going to be exceptionally well with cheap.

1:07:56 But what was his? What was his mentality going in there? The first time compared to when you guys were going to those Junior days when he was on everybody's radar Cornell. just, Look, I love to kid to death and and whatever you do, you're a draft party had this. He had this or about himself and it was well deserved because he was nine times out of ten when he stepped on the field, it didn't matter who else on the field he was best athlete out there. Plain and simple. And Cornell probably a little different than, you know, it's hard to compare him to contagious because contagious was a defensive lineman and things like that.

1:08:48 But when it comes to the situation and the camps and things of that nature, it was a much different story with Cornell and it was contagious. We got Kentavious in there. We started getting him to camps and it was kind of reintroducing him. Yep. He's, we're just finally finding out about it. Okay, when we got caught, Janelle to those camps between his his sophomore and junior year. So the junior camps where he's really being recruited, everybody knew who he was, the reason they knew who it was is because he was showing up showing out and showing off every game that they came to watch contagious. They knew who Cornell power was then, got you?

1:09:29 I mean that that kind of helped boost some things Cornell will I if I remember correctly Cornell got his very first offer from Ole Miss. on the night of the third round. So the day after Thanksgiving, the third round playoff game against our biggest rival. DH Conley in 2013. Well the week before that we had played at Cape Fear. And Cornell, there was a, the defensive coordinator for LSU was, there was actually changed. Then defensive line coach, which was Lane kiffin is younger. Brother for Ole Miss.

1:10:26 Both of them were watching contagious. And I mean, of course, content can take. This was a senior. Yeah. Made this commitment. He was, I mean, he was very much being recruited. and, Cornell goes out in the first game scores three touchdowns. He's by far the player to game. The it was not Cape Fear. It was I can't remember Troy. What's his name seen? The I can tell you this, it was the team that we played had to Future College all Americans on the team. They had a kid named Gilyard to played center for three years for the University of Georgia.

1:11:16 He was a defensive lineman for them and then what was the other kids name? He's an outside linebacker. Now for the Titans and he played at Boston College. Anyway, both of those guys on the team, we played them. And you know we were in the 11 seed in the playoffs they were number three, this time for sound. It Pine Forest. That's not terrible. Injury Harold, Landry. That's it Harold Landry. The Gilyard Gilyard played defensive lineman for he was a monster. We told her off, we told her offensive coordinator from the start, you ain't running nothing inside it's a late in the third quarter track to a guy and that cat 80 like Pac-Man and I talked, I told I told her head coach the towers. I little, we got, we're gonna have to put the ball in the air. I was like, we don't get, we will get the third down. We're going to throw it to Cornell. He'll score on the third, play the game. But you know, we got to put the ball in the air. We got to make these kids run side to side. Third played a game Cornell scores of 47 yard touchdown because I knew what was about to happen. We do hold on the field at all

1:12:49 times. So when that offense goes out there, he's got to take over, not only does he know, he's the best player on the field in his mind that they've got two or three D bees, that are fairly highly recruited. And he says, if I go out and I show what I can do against these guys to these coaches sitting here, that it's going to put me on the map. When I go to camps, they're going to know who I am beforehand. Yep. And that's what he did. He went out there and did it. Why do you say that again? You know, of course Pine Forest. Coach comes across and tells us, you know, y'all ain't got but one y'all ain't got but one All-American on that team and that's number three.

1:13:31 That's the wide receiver because your defense then didn't do nothing against us. Well, they ran 64 please and 57 of them were opposite. Of can take you the truth. I wouldn't run it. Was probably the best football player that I've ever coached. He went to Campbell University played fullback and then defensive end. So I mean, but we know about can take your street going to help out but Christian Pleasant. It was one of the best football players I've ever coached, but he was under sized.

1:14:14 Yeah, and that goes to the camp thing with the size and things of that nature. He was absolutely incredible, and he shut the game down and made it look that way. Anyway, the very weary internet game, And Coach Chavis and Coach kit for understanding there. And they told Cornell, you know, that's an amazing game. You know, we're going to, we're going to take your information down. Will be watching you, things of that nature because Cornell this point use the 10th grader, you just a sophomore. So do you know, would you know, make sure you get in touch with us, you know, if you to Camp, will get you talking to our position coaches things like that. Well, Cornell being the kitty is especially at that point he goes. You think that was something that you guys come to the game next week he goes you thought those three wind pressure almost 45 next week.

1:15:08 Yeah, coach Kevin said I bet you score five next week. I will get you that off. Her. Let's just say after that next game, the next week coach, Kevin was on the phone at that time, when Hugh freeze going, hey, where we gotta get this kid offer, he just, he scored eight touchdowns and two games. He scored in five against Conley and we won that game and moved on. So then you put a bar out there, he's gonna jump over. Oh absolutely Cornell. Having Kentavious, having someone that hydrated? They show up, he shows out, he's not coming out of nowhere, he's going after Camp.

1:15:53 If you don't know nothing here as the stomach he's here is when he walks in the door, he's having to do Cornell walks into a camp, he's the fifth rate of receiver in the country. He's got offers from 30 institutions. Would he be things was that if theres chibi's are highly rated? They're getting in there getting in line, they're going I want Cornell power. I'm going to shut him down. Didn't work very often, but that's their mindset. Okay. Another part of them that look at that line and go. There's Cornell Powell.

1:16:37 He's one, two, three. One, two, three, four, five. Trying to get out of that place. So you got you got prime time and you got some people that are thinking a little bit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. You always do have that one. You always behind that one. DB. I'm the best DB out here. Put me against anybody and everybody scorches that cat because he's never right. He, I'm impressed everybody and he slows, you know what, and it does not work. But I mean ID please.

1:17:28 The DVDs, which you got to look at is that you've got to see them. Understand? Okay. If I know I'm going against the Primetime man in this camp. Am I going to step up there now? The coach may tell you you're going to press man right here. Okay. If I'm going to press man, what do I have to do to take advantage of this? Is this kid, is this cat going to beat me physically right from the play or see a finesse guy that's going to beat me with his footwork and get vertical, things of that nature and then burn me with his speed you're going to you're going to see those guys start to process that and it all goes back to the same thing. The hand placement their, their, their footwork, And and the way they cover out the way they close separation when it's created and things like that.

1:18:17 That's what you have to evaluate their and that's evaluating different ways. Whether it's Pressman or excuse me off, man, to Zone type coverage. I mean, when you when you get into that off, man, playing against that receiver. You instantly create separation. So it during that play, Are you able to close that separation? When you see that receiver, Make That Swing. Are you able to close that separation when he makes a double move to the slant, you come down and he goes vertical and beat you? Do you have the speed to catch up with it? You know, those types of things and a lot of that can go into how that DB processes it and how that DB You know please everything particular.

1:19:07 We had a DB a couple years ago. He's a Randolph-Macon now go. Sorry, huh. I'm not trying to not trying to promote the game, the greatest rivalry in the South whatever, but I'm pretty sure you know, that happens every year. And I think next year, it's going to be at Hampton Sydney. If anybody wants to go out, check it out. Should be, I go again, right? I'll be there. All right. Now, probably will be to and, you know, I'm not above a cheap promotion here if you haven't figured that out yet. But anyway, the The kid was was under sized but an exceptional DB.

1:19:56 And one thing I always noticed about and we he with the camps was he was going to make sure that he found out who the exceptional receivers were in that particular camp and he was going to find out what they did best. You know, we're there thing where they speed receiver there was getting vertical and beating people there. Are they somebody took advantage of the separation and did well on it on the slant sort of things like that and he would play, he would set his self up. If he was given the opportunity, he would set his self up to play them the best that he could, possibly play to make himself look the best. He could, if he had a receipt with that, he knew was was going to play vertical and run fast and was faster than you.

1:20:43 He played softer me, And he knew exactly when to turn, he wasn't going to he wasn't going to let the receiver force him. He had in his mind, he had said his game plan that he knew what he was gonna do and he could do that with watching that receiver three please. He knew what he wanted to do and that just come from his preparation and rarely did he get beat in any of those situations in Camp? He could come up and he knew that receiver was gonna maybe that receiver was faster than him and everything like that, but he knew that the receiver didn't get bitten, get a good release off the line. So he'd press it and beat him right there and never have to worry about the speed that the kid, and that was just what he did and coaches evaluate at that and saw that. And they said, okay, yes, he is.

1:21:36 He is 59 and three quarters but he's got sixty eight and a half. Shriek his arms are long and he can tie his shoes standing straight up. His arms are so long minions. He his body length was freakish. Yeah. And he can diagnose, why he with anybody? Because of his intellect. But his measurables like his height and thing like that they'd go, I don't know. They would question it but then they watch him when he feel. And that's where that camp comes in. Will you can look at these little things of his height and go. Yeah, he's not big enough to play this type of football, but then when you watch him, play you go. Well, he makes up for it in other ways. That's where those evaluations and things come in because he could clone he could close any Gap and he could take away to get from the start if he didn't want you to have one. And he had he had makeup speed to take away two vertical. If he got beat.

1:22:36 I mean he was just he was just act like a player and I mean it's showing now he started he started six of the seven games and making this year as a true freshman. Oh wow did he be? So let me ask you this Robbie you know we've been going through DB here it looks like DB from an evaluation standpoint. It seems to be like you can kind of get the most Shin out of that position at these types of cancer, that be true. I think you can get the most evaluation that these camps from in the wide receiver and defensive back, kind of groups because you could you get to see that competition more and I mean, let's face it.

1:23:19 Most of them, they don't like to be hit touched pushed around and stuff for start with. So not having pads on really doesn't affect them that much. Yeah, it really doesn't. I mean, why receiver or DB it's Ness game. It gets physical with them when they get to the middle and have to deal with that, that strong safety or the free safety of the linebackers and things like that. But in the one-on-ones that stuff's not there. So I mean you really get to evaluate how they position themselves, how they do their footwork, how they do, the things that they do. And it's, that's probably the best time to do it. And those situations now, once again, when it comes to the ball coming in, like we talked about the Running backs and receivers. I don't put a lot of focus on the kept every time simply because it may be coming from a different quarterback that they're not used to.

1:24:09 It may not be the placement, they're not used to and that takes time to build. But I mean that's just yeah, I would definitely say that that's one of the best places to see those. Let's move on to the franchise player, the quarterback, how our quarterbacks evaluated these camps. And now I'm going to tell you what as I told you my, with my coaching experience and all those things. Now, I did work with quarterbacks at two camps. I think simply because of the fact that we took multiple coaches, we had multiple coaches at different positions and I would volunteer to go somewhere else. I'm the kind of Coach.

1:24:52 And my mind, I don't have to stay in one place to learn something. I can go learn something in any position that I can take back with our coach ammonite. I can give it to her coach on our staff, that something I may have learned. From there, I'll go to any place. They are if it's going to help I work with quarterbacks a couple times when you go to these one-on-ones and the things like that in my opinion. And from what I saw those kids, there's very little evaluation going with the quarterbacks Nose one-on-ones, when they're throwing to the running backs and receivers. Simply because again the timings different, the receivers are different. They may be running routes that that quarterback is not used to you know to throw in things of that nature. Now you can see a quarterback make amazing throws and good back shoulder throws.

1:25:46 Perfectly placed deep balls. In some of those situations you can see some good things but I don't see where they evaluating hold it against a lot of them in those because of those things you can tell the exceptional plays but you can't really tell how how bad a bad play is absolutely. So what's go then what's the weather is when they snap or they take that ball and they take their three steps before they throw it with. They're evaluating is there. Footwork there ball placement, where the both hands on the ball, the balls, High secure, things of that nature, but they get a lot of that in those individual drills to okay, the drills before they get to the 10 once the the only thing they they can really see in my opinion in the one-on-ones is the is that you know ball placement and their mechanics of everything. And now you wait a little bit there, but I mean, you're not going to see time and you're not going to see them reading a lot, especially with one-on-one.

1:26:56 Now in the seven on seven things, okay, maybe it's some of the seven on seven camps, you can start to see them read pull the safety off, things of that nature. But what you're going to see in those individual drills with the quarterbacks is when they take that three step drop of their feet too wide to be able to throw with any power or their feet too close together. Either to be able to get power onto the ball when they Sprint out or rollout of a square in their shoulders, to the line of scrimmage, to throw it back when I was playing ball. And when I first started coaching, are they sprinting out and throwing it back across field? God help them.

1:27:37 They shouldn't be doing that quarterbacks nowadays, like this, what they want them to do. Patrick groans and dog on Russell Wilson, roll run. They are the dogon set of numbers. I don't know but I mean that's a style of play it's coming now. Oh yeah. You can you can tell you used to be like breaking every rule if a quarterback turned their back to the rush. Yeah they'll all be Russell Wilson. Does it five six times a game? You won't go out and you pass the Hat. You better not be throwing plastic. That's just forbidden. And now we'll roll it in numbers and throw to the other side line. It'll be all right, but would they got quarterbacks that have that strength now? Yes they do. So we're loose if they got bigger arms. Yeah.

1:28:22 Absolutely. What a backs are going to be evaluated more in my mind on that in those individual drills and little bitty mechanic things during the one-on-ones, and not about their completion percentage. And, and, and things of that nature. Because I mean, they're just not used to the timing and the things of those receivers. It's just, it's hard to do. I mean, it's really from the food. And if you get up, Get a mechanic issue where that that throwing motion is way too slow or way too long you might have some. Yeah, that's when that's, when that slant turns into the post because we got away from here and drop all the way down and come over the top row and here passing through. I mean it makes a world of difference in the timing and things of that nature.

1:29:11 So I'm just going to guess on this and then we'll move on but I'm guessing with the quarterbacks it's going to be the actual film where they're playing week to week and is what I see in Camp. Here he is good footwork, good placement. Good arm motion. Is he doing that? When there's six guys in front of him about to kill him? Absolutely. Well, if he's taking the here to here, then we now we cooking. Yeah. What comes down to is it's a camp. You have to be able to take what you can get from the camp out of it, and you can expect to come into camp with nobody ever. Heard your name and walk out of there being the number one prospect on the list because they're not going to see everything in a can.

1:29:57 It's going to be a combination of how you perform at that camp. Things that you show the film that you put out the consistent numbers and statistics you put up, it's a combination of all those things. I mean, It is what it is. I mean, the camp is as an opportunity for you to show off the things that, you know, you can do well, right then and there. But you have to understand that some of the things they're not going to see it as camps. Just like we have to understand this coaches that there's just some things, we all can see it at Camp. Okay? There's just some things that they're not going to learn how to let me ask this probably You, you've been an evaluator there? When are they asking you and talking to you about what you're seeing on these individual drills are one-on-ones? Is it something that the camp server and everybody's getting together?

1:30:48 You're taking your notes or is it? You know? When is it a lot of? Like we said before when they come in? You know, there's a lot of that registration time period at the beginning. Yeah. All right you're as they're coming in and they're getting stretched. Eh, they're getting warmed up there, doing all this, they're working with the strength and conditioning staff, things like that, to get warm and and we want to sweat, we want them, warm broke in sweating, loose, ready to do, everything is when you give your best performance, okay? They've got that. Say they're going to do Dynamic stretching and mobility and all that stuff before they ever do that testing.

1:31:29 They're going to run, you know, a half mile for they ever get that test and started. So, they're going to be nice and warm, and ready to go. Well, as they're coming in, you know, and in the cases that I remember of working with them, the kids are coming in and I'm standing there talking to the position coach. Okay, I was say I was at one of the camps at NC State. I'm standing there with the position coach, and as a kids are coming in, he will tell me. Oh, that's you know, so and stuff. You know where we're recruiting him. He's, you know, he's a three star defensive end from such and such high school, we think he's about 63, you know, 245 pounds, whatever. If we really want to, make sure we take a look at him and then you see him as he checks in, he gets his jersey, or is it has compression shirt or whatever?

1:32:27 It's got a number on it or the banner. He's got a number on it but it's got a number written on his arm whatever. So you start to look at that number and you know and it's highlighted on the on the sheet that you may have or whatnot. You know guy that they're looking at well, they come in, they do all their tests and they do all that stuff and You know, we're talking about that. So then after they do all their tests and they do all that to get broken into their specific position drills. Okay, now I wanted to last campsite work there, that was myself the position GA and then to current players, okay?

1:33:14 And what we did was we had, I don't know 20 2530 defensive lineman at the camp. So what we did was we split them by groups. Okay. So if you're you know you're Rising freshman, you go over here with player number one, if you're a rising sophomore, you go here with quite a number two, if you're a rising. Junior you go right here with you know coach competent. If you're a rising senior you go right over here with the ga and you know they split them up that way some of them, put them up different ways you know you're a defensive end, you go over here, you're a defense, your three technique, you go here, you're a nose, you go here. This particular one, the the defensive line coach went through.

1:34:09 He gives give me you for guys, you go with that guy. You five guys go with player. Number two, I want so-and-so so-and-so, so-and-so and so-and-so. We have Coach Compton. And this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy with the ga. Well when you really looked at it they had the younger kids with the players. And then they had the kids that they were actively recruiting or could be recruiting or things like that with me and the ga gotcha because the player, you know why, they know the drills, they know the information, they know the things like that, they may not be able to see certain things.

1:34:52 To evaluate the way than myself or TGA may be able to do. So, as we're going through the drills, we're seeing things, okay? So I'm putting the kids through the Thrills and I'm seeing their first step. I'm seeing how they're doing this, how they're doing that. And, you know, the defensive line coach was standing right there may be two head coaches there. Maybe they were recruiting coordinator has walked over and seeing that, but most of those coaches are moving around at that particular time. The defensive line coach should have with working with. He was the Important later and he was also the Run game coordinator. So he was moving around. See, linebackers and DBS. And I mean he's moving around to see things too.

1:35:33 So he takes a lot of information from from us of what we see in the evaluation. So we run through say 10 minute, 10, 15 minutes of drill and we send the kids to go get water because it's 110 degrees on the turf. Yep. Well he comes over and talks to us why those kids are running water. Okay, what do you know in this Grill? What did you see? How did you feel about this? So we'll talk about it a little bit there. Okay, well we finish up those individual drills or we get ready to go to 101. Okay guys, we finished all of our individual drills. What you're going to do, we're going to break it down. You're going to go down to the left corner of the end zone down there, and that's where we're going to do one-on-ones against the o-line.

1:36:17 So they break down, take off. Then it baby me. That GA the It's Ron coach and the head coach and they may have questions. And we'll have this kid do in this particular thing. How did they do with this? How was their first step with this? If you took these Five Guys, where would you rank them? One through five, who would be the quiet guy down? So we talked about that kind of stuff for our particular position. Yeah. And each position is doing that every time they can get the kids together and you get a free minute. To evaluate I got you, then you get to the one-on-ones and you know, that particular this particular Camp, I was working with defensive line and my head coach was working with offensive line because that was what his specialty was.

1:37:07 So now we're at one-on-ones and it's my head coach and the offensive line coach. And then the defensive line coach and myself, we have a group of one-on-ones and it may be there. Seven best offensive lineman and there. Best defensive lineman that we had evaluated anything. Gotcha. And so, you know, it may come over there and the defensive line coach may ask me, he goes okay, who's the who's the best? Who's the highest value? What you want out of what we've seen today? And I say, you know, jersey number 12 and they'll ask offensive line, coach. And my head coach, who was the top-rated offensive lineman?

1:37:50 All number 172, okay. Next time around, we want to see number 12, go against 172 so you know, we can evaluate things that way and when it all comes down to it, okay, after those one-on-ones are done, before they get ready, there's going to be a period where they may go get you know, they're different camps, do different things, you know, you met some of them, you can go take pictures, you can go do things like that. Ye may have a snack or something. For you. But before you leave the head coach, or whoever is going to speak or their their guest speaker or somebody's going to speak. So while they're doing that, all the coaches may be meeting to give their evaluation from the one-on-ones.

1:38:35 He didn't he didn't, he didn't do great in individual drill but when you put in our competition against somebody he did awesome. He grows up and we showed good footwork and did this and did that he didn't do so well against led to destroy it, didn't move in front of it. But when things are moving in front of him, you really see that Raw Talent breakout, you know, things like that. But you get, you get kind of evaluate those different ways. Then you get to try to let you know, we were talking to different coaches and getting them are ideas. And if that in that situation, you know, they felt comfortable enough taking information from us, that we, you know, that we knew what we were doing. But I mean that just depends on that were like you said their relationship, you build. I mean, we had five players go play at NC State. They knew what we based our stuff on and what we were focused on.

1:39:27 So I got you now could I ask there? Yeah. Good Curtis my bad. Have you ever had a coach? Is there everything a kid at a camp that stood out so much where you had a head coach or recruiting coordinator sake, we want to talk to him. That's, you know, you have this list of all the kids that registered And they're going to, they're going to be given numbers and you're given a list of who these kids are. So you can check because, you know, you have to record their their tests and stuff so it has to be written out in record it. So, you have a list of the kids that are there their name and what their shirt number or whatever he is now, don't get wrong. Some of these kids identify when they come in. You, like I said, he's gonna say, hey, this kid right here, coming in.

1:40:16 He's got, we're looking at, he's a guy with a recruiting. You know, so he's marked on her sheet whether we checked it off, it's highlighted. Whether his jersey is now, is red with black numbers, where all the rest of them are red with white numbers or, you know, however, they they do it to make certain individual stand out. You're going to know who they are, there may be a kid, it come in cold off, the street signed up and he looks good. And that's one of the cases with like was contagious, was he come in before his junior year? Yeah and he's in the area that hadn't been heavily recruiting him because he had just moved there all of a sudden he sets a he set the camp on fire they're like hey Mark that get him out of that group, bring him over to this group and and you to evaluate him. Where he was over there.

1:41:09 You know player a said that he was dominating everything over there and he was amazing that we need to be looking at. So we bring them over to one of those groups to where we can evaluate him and some of the other coaches get to see him as well. Get to see him again. Small receive High Caliber guys that you already do something about see how he does against them. He coaches may not some of the coaches may not look so much at the rising 9th graders at the camp because they really, you know, they can talk to him but they can actively recruit them into ninth grade, you know. But you know you got this kid, there's a rising Junior. He's in the primer. Recruiting we need to get on board and find out where this kit fits we can pull him in. There we go.

1:41:53 Let's get him with this group. So yeah, that definitely happens. It's not, you know, I wouldn't say it's every Camp. If you go out and you get a kid that that blows up and it appears out of nowhere, but it's definitely possible. And there's the one to come in and be like this is a key of looking at and by the end of the camp they're just like nope we're racing guys. This is there a kid that coaches don't really know from Adam that's walking in. It's going to walk away with a scholarship from these cans. I seriously, doubt it. Okay. Now times out of ten, they're walking into the camp if they leave, what a scholarship offer, somebody new a lot. About them before they got there, got you. They're one of the lifts their one of the guy they're all there on the list when they arrive.

1:42:44 If they're if you don't have a scholarship when they're there and they walk away with absolutely got you. Now, you can, you can, you can be one of those borderline kids. Yeah, we know who you are. You know, we were like, what you we seen your film? We know that you can play. We're trying to sign and come out and blow that thing out of the water and account and go, hey. Yeah, he's worth it. Okay, I mean that can happen but somebody that walks in stone, cold off the street and just appears, I mean, there's no, I haven't seen it a camp, a Rudy story where God just appears out of nowhere, blows it up and you know, gets a scholarship and then mosa field afterwards, you know, I haven't seen that. I mean I guess it's possible but so you but you by giving you might go to a camp and get all the teams radar. You're not going to came over said, you got a scholarship got. Yeah and you can go in there and open some eyes and say, hey we're going to start watching this cat. Not impossible but improbable problem as yeah, not impossible but improbable that's a great way to put it. Here we go.

1:43:49 Curtis a man of words right there, Wordsmith exactly. All right, so before we jump off here tonight Robbie, we're going to give the floor to you because for anybody listening out there whether you are a high school kid, whether you are a parent Me and Brian are parents. So you know, obviously we've got a ways to go before any of this stuff takes place before. Maybe some of you guys who have kids getting older, why we wanted to give a little info. So you guys kind of know how to go into these things and Robbie. I'm assuming this isn't just football but this is for any score, right? Yeah. My biggest thing and it's like I said earlier, when it comes to the kids and these coaches and all the stuff I want to be honest about things, Because it's you know it's my word, it's my evaluation of things of these kids and stuff that they're going to take you know and we build relationships off of those things we want.

1:44:52 If I could go in, I do I give every one of my kids on my team scholarship because I want them to go to college. I want them to be successful. I want them to be you know, great citizens and productive citizens everywhere. That's what I want for it. For every kid that has ever played for me for every kid that thought about playing the didn't play, you know, that as an educator as a teacher as a coach, that's what I want. I want every kid to have that chance to succeed. They don't allow me to give scholarships. So I have to put my, I have to use the relationships that I build and put my stamp on the kids that I know that I can help. And I tell them with honesty, you know, go to these camps, get the exposure, you can get, if you have 250 dollars this year to spend to go to camps, Okay. My first piece of advice would be, don't spend all 250 dollars at Every ACC and SEC camera or every Big Ten, Big 12, Camp, whatever, don't don't blow every dime you have on power 5. You know, camps.

1:46:12 And the reason I say that is I mean statistically you look at it, there's five conferences, there's ten, eleven twelve teams in the conference, each team has 85 scholarships. Okay, I'm not a mathematician but that that chance is Slim. Okay. and there's 1,400. I know in North Carolina, there's like 317 high school football teams total, okay, each one of those teams have anywhere from 40 to 70 80 kids on the team. It's 317 in one state that plays football. And that's you know, ten conferences, maybe 115, 120 teams in all the power 5 that have 85 kids. So all of you can't go there as much as you want to go to Alabama.

1:47:18 You may not be able to So think about your education first okay? The things that you want out of like football is not going to last forever. I tell the kids all kind of football is not going to last forever. I've coached for 15 years say average of 50 kids per year. 15 years. Y'all. And y'all are the numbers guys. Y'all can figure out that kind of math. I've coached well over 2,000 kids in my 15 years of coaching. Two of them right now. In NFL. To every all 2,000 of them, at one point in their life, their goal was probably the play professional football play in the NFL, two of them are there.

1:48:03 So you got to find something else to finish life with you got to find something, to be that that you you're going to go professional. But what's it going to be in the likelihood of it? Being football is not it. Find what you want to do, okay? Find the schools that are best at that. You want to play football, find the schools that have the football programs that you want to play for. Okay. Pick pick one of the big school, pick at dream school. If your dream school is Alabama, if your dream school is 4G, He attacked go to the camp. Get that exposure. Go enjoy every bit of it. Then find a say you're of Virginia kid find a j mu. Then find a, you know, a division 2 School of Virginia state.

1:48:53 Then find a couple of D3 schools, you know, things like that. Make sure you very where you spend your time at those camps. Like I said, a lot of those campers you go to, you're going to find coaches from other schools there. Anyway, especially the bigger ones. So, use those processes and help yourself get your exposure that way. Don't spend every dime. You have traveling all over the world to traveling all over the United States to these big schools, that the that you have less than 2% chance of going through. That that would be my biggest thing to tell them and again, look around at the talent that's there and see where you fit in. I mean, I had a, I've worked for the last eleven twelve years for a phenomenal coach and he played college. He had Pro workouts.

1:49:55 Okay, he played a division to college in West Virginia, okay? His dream was to go to to Penn State He went to camp at Penn State and he said I knew 30 minutes after registration by looking at the guys who were around me. I was not going to print statement. He said I was 64 300 pounds and I was one of the smallest lineman there he said I knew then I wasn't going to Penn State But I was going to play football and, and that's what he did. He worked his way around and, you know, he ended up to start with a small school. I think in Pennsylvania, called till college, and then he transferred to Glenville State. So, I mean, in even a Glenville State, he ended up with workout with Pro workouts.

1:50:48 It didn't work out. He wasn't quite, you know, he didn't quite measure up in those situations, but that's okay. I mean, he What is education? He's coaching and teaching. He's caught, he's coached at the college level taught at the college level now. He's teaching and coaching the high school and he's been very successful so, and that's what he wanted to do outside of football, he still wanted to be involved in it so that those are the things that I would put out there. And I would tell the kids to very those things to make sure you do those. Don't limit yourself. Just to the big schools because it's not going to work out as much for the parents.

1:51:32 The biggest thing I would say is as support the kids, don't push them towards something that you see for them that they may not see for themselves. I understand, you know, pushing them to get to that but don't push them to something that you would want to see, rather than what's realistic. That's a good thing. You see? A lot of you lot of parents that push things because it's what they want and it may not be what the kids want. And that's the biggest thing. It's going to come out to be a lot easier when the kid wants to be there and wants to do it, that it is just because they were told to But that's the biggest thing in it. I think the camps are great like you said possible but not probable.

1:52:21 When it comes into walking into one, nine times out of ten, the kids are going into camp now at the end of these camps that you're going to, you're going to see some kids that at the end of Camp, the guest speaker spoken. Now, all of a sudden you're going to see these coaches, start talking to individual kids. And then there, I've seen them at the end of those camps. Like you said, after June 1st at recruiting thing is up and they can start recruiting again. I've seen kids come to these camps. And at the end of that count, you know, they're walking away with the head coach and recruiting coordinator, and then they reappear wear with a scholarship offer, okay?

1:53:05 That wasn't a kid that walked in from my experience and that's so-and-so from, you know, Blacksburg High School. He's a four-star defensive. Recruit a 64 265 pounds. Runs a 464 they know everything about him already.

1:53:47 That's usually the kid that's that's wandering off and sitting in an office somewhere to talk to the head coach a little bit later. That's meet a couple camps when I was going to them when I was a junior and I was that regular guy, then Marcus Vick was the guy that was getting pulled to the side and talking to the coaches? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it possible, not probable, there we go. Told you, they never, they all want to come to the table as a probable. Every once in a while, there's a possible, the rest of them, if they're talking to head coach afterwards, it's probably to take the picture, get an autograph. But there we needs, it's just realistic. I guess. I have more tell the truth, and that's what the truth is. But I mean that's that's the big thing about the camps. It's an opportunity an opportunity to show what you what you can do.

1:54:39 But Yeah, have realistic expectations when it comes down to it. There we go. Robbie, we appreciate you joining us tonight, man. It's been way too long. A since we've seen you, thanks through covid. Unfortunately, because normally Robbie would swing by Richmond and we somehow catch, Prayin you catch me. We all catch up. Go to her least have some wings, hopefully in the next few months. We do this in person. Maybe we get to watch a game together. Don't know if we want to do that. That might be dangerous. Have some wine. Watch a little football, hell yeah.

1:55:20 I told you the other day, it's time to get together, you know, I got kids, I've had, I've had for years, I've had kids of different places playing ball and things like that. I've been running from place to place to watch games and things like that. And I spent a lot of time at at NC State. I spent some time at Clemson. So now I think this year there's going to be a lot less traveling. I can I can get back to my roots and watch some more Virginia Tech football. Yes sir. But like I said, I got another kid to just committed to NC State this past weekend so I can head back to Raleigh and I know I know some of the Virginia Tech fans don't want to hear it but I got I got some connections and in Raleigh that I can get the games if I need to call Coach y, Of you know because once again I have a pretty decent relationship there so he's a good dude.

1:56:23 I know he did an amazing job in Blacksburg and he did the glad to have him in Raleigh as well. So we'll we'll spend some time in Raleigh again. We'll see how everything goes. There we go. Definitely get together, watch a little wash, a little hokey football. Y'all have to catch me up on how things are going. I falling a little behind. Well, you've been a busy man with all this stuff going on, man. So definitely on that and not, that is going to wrap up this episode of the boundary. Corner podcast along with our guest Robbie comfort and I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Visit our website at boundary corner. Be t.com to listen to all our episodes, while you're there, don't forget to follow us on Twitter. Facebook, subscribe on YouTube or your favorite five guests or Spotify.

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