Going Bowling Part 1

0:45 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with my partner. Brian, Sigler, I am Curtis Wilson, buddy. How's it going tonight? I'm good, man. I'm good for a night where we don't really have any major topics to cover. We got a Full Slate of stuff to talk about, so I'm ready to go. How was your day? It's a long day man. I tell you a long day from watching, you know, from work in general where something popped up in the middle of the day that was unexpected and I was fearful that I wasn't the work to like 5:00 but luckily I put the hammer down. Got it done didn't have to work over and then what add a sort of watching the timeline with some of the things going on, just west of here?

1:38 Which will ya? Oh, man. Yeah, between the Miami stuff over the weekend and then everything dealing with UVA. The last couple days. It's been, it's been kind of fun to sit back and enjoy. Some of the, the plight of are two of our biggest Rivals as they sort through all their shit, sorting through their crap. Everything's not closed yet on our end. you know, but we're slowly matriculating and getting their beliefs, have a head guy, and some other folks on the staff where at least filling out of Staff compared to Just cluster F sees what I see in. We're going to get into that whole thing later. But Brian, let's start off tonight with a big recruiting win for the Hokies Benji Gosnell playing down in the Hills Valaria Virginia.

2:37 This year really from Pilot Mountain, North Carolina. Four-star by 24/7 Sports, 65 240 pounds and listed him as a tight end, but the way it looks, you get plate tight in with his athleticism linebacker. Maybe even become a defensive lineman. What do you think of this pickup, especially when it felt like just about a week ago, he was getting ready to head down to North Carolina and probably commit their print Pride JC price in the new staff, jump in, Get Him to commit. What do you think of him? And then Commitment itself. Yeah, this is big because a lot of the work has already been done on him and then you know once we moved on from Fuente and some of the other staff was we went on, it became a lot less certain he was kind of waffling looking at you and see but lock it up once the new staff got in place. So that was big and I think it's good, it's another piece that's kind of you know we're going to wait and see where he ends up falling in terms of position.

3:42 Overall I like the pickup and it helps a class that was already shaping up, pretty good. Yeah. I mean to me it's that whole what I talked about what me and you both have talked about the last couple of months. He's six foot five 240 pounds. He's an athlete. You just, you get him in the door and figure out where to go. Obviously, he's coming off a knee surgery because he was previously committed to Ohio State. But in general, you know, The big piece, North Carolina, Ohio State, Arkansas were some of his biggest lists also had some interest from duke Louisville State, Notre Dame his commitment. Lois look good.

4:27 He is a top in the composite. He is a top 350 player, you know. So that's good, right? That's that's where we want to stay. We don't want to start dipping much below that with too many guys. What exactly? It's the it's the whole thing of get, those big bodied athletic guys in then figure out what you can do with them. So I really like that. If you got a guy with that that's big has some athleticism. You're going to find a spot for him whether he feels out one way or the other. So you know, I like the pickup overall, it should be a, you know, another another, another good grab there.

5:11 Good one to kind of close out the the psycho I know we got a couple others that we're we're trying to get in this week. That, that might be, you know, flip season. And we got a couple others were kind of concerned about, but we're going to talk about that a little bit here. But getting another one committed here late in the cycle, is a good thing. Yep, I'm sitting here. We're both watching the Virginia Tech, Cornell game, and I was reading on the bottom line and I'm going to we did not have this on the run down, Brian, Bob bowls be Big 12. Commissioner saying they are potentially looking at Changing the Signing Day stuff basically because of all the coaching changes and all this, let's hit that real quick.

5:52 I mean we're old school, right? We're old school. So for us it's more of We were always used to February. You had a hold on the guys, through all the offseason and coaches leaving, not flipping, getting a new coach, you got a new coach early. If anything, it was a blessing because you had roughly two months to get them. Put a lot of times it was, I'm getting rid of these seven guys because I've got five, guys. I will, you know, I get them here. So you had five guys that you could potentially either flip from other schools or Uncle guys that were committed to the school that you came from that decided to follow you instead of stick it out.

6:35 So it's interesting that's being brought up now because the early signing period it to me always help schools like Virginia Tech because if you had everybody locked in and you got them to sign that Loi if big boys in the Blue Bloods missed on there, you know, top targets, they weren't sniffing around your class, to try to steal one because they had that clout the um I would say if they do it. I wouldn't say, you know, bring it to a middle piece, maybe maybe bring it to a middle piece bring in early January or something. You know. We can we capture the national championship? There you go.

7:15 Week after the national championship I don't know if I'm going to be. It's going to be interesting to find that what they talk more and more about. That's all we definitely looking into it. Speaking of basketball. Brian last week, one. Good game. Huge win up in Maryland. And then I didn't get to see it Saturday. We were on the road but the stats did not look good as we get smoked at home by Wake Forest. Yeah, I watched a little bit of that game. It was it was one of those nights where, you know, we were struggling in a lot of phases and they couldn't miss and we didn't do a whole lot to make a mess.

8:01 Unfortunately probably hands down the worst defensive showing they've had this year. Defense kept them in the Maryland game and they pulled it out of the end. Yep. After a poor shooting first 25-30 minutes, you know, the last 10. I ended up putting this to put some things together offensively and really last seven, if we're, if we're being honest, but you know, Wake Forest was just kind of a front to back. I mean, the first half they hung around because of the defense and then, it was just complete collapse in the second half.

8:44 Yeah, and right now, up 13 on Cornell who is Aiden, one Ivy League school? But we were watching here for we jumped on and it was that kind of that struggle, right? Struggle, the, you know, not coming out of the gate, strong at all and to go back to Wake Forest, you know, weight force is Aiden one this year, they're not a bad team, you know, the only loss was to LSU, they'd be like Northwestern and Oregon State and a couple other power 5 teams. So, it's not a bad loss but it just To me right now or I'm getting worried is every game is the same thing with us, right?

9:27 Every game is the same thing in it, and I'm not trying to knock storm Murphy, but it seems the, it's the storm Murphy show, regardless how he does, dictates what we do. And I think I mentioned someone tonight, maybe on the timeline said, you got to get Padula minutes tonight. You got to see how he can run the show, because maybe it would be the best thing to let Padula who is a little more athletic, right? In storm that yeah, like maybe storm needs to be the six-man come in with you know a couple of those two three starters. One other person Off the Bench and run sets or she's trying to run everything out the gate.

10:09 That's just my thought might be right. Might be wrong, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing is that he is struggling on both ends against kind of those bigger athletic guard. Is that are pretty much common place in the ACC for most teams and the other piece of it is that until really tonight. And I think a game like Cornell coming after games against Maryland and Wake Forest is probably a good thing for storm because yeah, he can work his way back into his shop because he wasn't trusting his shot really the last three or four games true. And and that's really kind of think kind of trickled over Other areas of the game because you can Overlook some of the deficiencies in his game. If he's dropping 10:00 at night.

11:00 Yeah, you can't win if he's only making, you know, if he's 1 for 6 from the field with, you know, two to four points. That's not really, that's not worth the trade-off that you had, you know, going with someone with, with some of his limited skill set from an athleticism standpoint from a size. Standpoint. Yep. Very true. All right, let's roll long. Talk about Hokies wrestling, you know, couple weeks ago, the loss to Ohio State, the top 10 team literally lost in the last match. That's what swung it. Go out to Mizzou and beat number 18, Northern Iowa and then beat number three Mizzou in the last match. I mean, it again, it looks like we're going to be another top 10 team and it's It's kind of crazy. I didn't get to watch much of that, but I followed the twit. First of all, the folk he's wrestling Twitter is worth of follow.

11:59 Whoever runs that account, tries to give as much detail as they can. They try to pull Clips in there, when things happen. So, if you're not able to watch it, you know, because of not having a cc Network or a cc extra or if it's not able to be televised that really good about, you know, documenting what's happening. But looks like we're another top, 10 team. It's going to, probably bit really cool when Friday wrestling's in January, and February. I don't know. It's just, it's just great to have another sport to pay attention to during football season. Yeah, it's it's like you said with the Twitter follow, they do a really great job of breaking it down explaining the situation, getting Clips in there, so it's really easy to follow especially if you don't have access to watch it live. It'd be awesome to for, to be able to get to see some of this in person.

12:57 Looks like it's a lot lot. Lot of these matches have been pretty intensive. That'd be cool to see in person as well so anybody that's had a chance to get to either Blacksburg or that was that traveled out there to Mizzou. I'm sure they got a damn good show you exactly. All right, Brian. Even as bad as the season was in our eyes at six and six Two guys made first and second team, All-American to freshman. The first is not a shock. I think he should get some accolades potentially for regular All-American punter. Peter Moore first team All-American. Freshman All-American? Yeah yeah and Peter Moore did a great job all year really you know special teams was the standout player.

13:43 Did a great job punning put us in good situations where our defense could can potentially get our offense, the ball back and flip field position. Pin pin guys helped us out of tight spots when we're putting deepen, our own own own in there. So, great job by Peter more, all year. Then we got another more that that made for a second team. Freshman. All-American Game. One more little bigger, a little bit bigger. Yeah, Kane more Rygaard. You know, we've talked a lot about Caden throughout the year. He came on early. He was he was kind of starting out the gate. Yeah.

14:25 As As is customary with Vice a lot of rotations, he wasn't always the guy at Right Guard but he showed, you know, really good play. Especially when we got later in the season and we started running the ball more played a little bit more to his strengths and I think that's what kind of put it over the top and got him in this position. Yeah, I mean, it's great. I know something. You always mention Kaden is the nasty streak. It's still there. Hopefully, with whoever the new offensive line coach has, we won't Constant rotation. I know you probably can understand it if it's occasional rotation, but when you're looking at, like the third series, it's new, you know, 45 new guys out there and get upsetting but good for him under the radar guy that definitely played above his star ranking immediately out of the gate.

15:20 So great for Kayden great, for the accolades, great for the team. Some of the guys Only team to get those accolades. Yeah. I mean it was it was a big, big run for him there at the end. I think he finished the season as strong as you could have hoped for a guy that's playing as a freshman. Yeah. And, you know, really anchor in the line and what was our strength last year, so which was running the ball from Malachi once he got in there and Rahim once he started giving him significant carries except Miami game. All right, Brian. Let's go to this, we discussed last week, some recruits who have reaffirmed their commitment. And today, one popped up. And it looks good and I think this was one of the crown jewels, right?

16:04 We felt Rashad Rashad Purnell was one of them Ramon Brown. In-home visit with the coaches. Looks like you know to me I would say that's a reaffirmation that in seven days he's going to be signing his letter of intent. Send it on down to Blacksburg. Yeah. And we're not getting smoke from anybody else in terms of actual movement, On that end. So getting they're locking that up because it was big getting getting coaches in the building there in the, in the household. So I think that you know, right out the gate in terms of just papering, the state and like getting around to all the recruits that we've already got in the boat.

16:47 That's been a one of the best things I've liked from the staff is just how they're trying to get that closed out as best they can. Especially for those in state, guys, Absolutely. So essentially he's locked down and you know, obviously they went up to Northern Virginia today so I'll couple pictures dare you know if we see any more guys reaffirming it you'll definitely will be retweeting it liking it so you can see, but there have been two D commence. I don't think this is a shock that there are going to be D commits. The first DeAndre Morton from Life, Christian Academy. Here in the r-va. The Andre from Durham, he committed just a few days ago and then flipped to South Carolina.

17:30 Shane steals one, this one, hurt, because with Martin sighs 63rd up in the to 85 to 90 range, you see, contributor day one. Yeah, I think that was the big thing that hurt from that perspective. He's somebody that as thin as we are on the defensive line, he could have been in that kind of third group, probably year one, and then pressed pressed higher as things went along there. So that one hurts more than than some of the others that we've seen lately. Just because of it being a need position, especially with Jordan Williams Moving On.

18:14 We really only have kind of three proven guys on that defensive Interior, right now with another one or two that are coming along. So, you know, he would've probably stepped in immediately, had that kind of, you know, fifth or sixth spot in the in that rotation. Yep, and he wasn't the only one Jackson vahue. The offensive linemen out of Texas, the commits as well. I think is something else. You know, we probably expected it to happen, losing some of the Texas guys. And you know, You know. It's not a shock.

18:58 I mean you like to stake you like some of the stuff he did. But again, it wasn't one of the crown. Jewels are just a solid piece. Yeah, it's a solid piece. It's a piece that you know what? The thing for me is that it was a need position. The other thing is that while it was a need position, finding a guy in the Rating range of a Jackson Lake Hugh in in Virginia, in the region, probably wouldn't be a hard part. Howard hard, grab or, you know, grabbing someone in the portal. And I think initially at the gate, I'm more concerned about having a solid starting five going into 22 than I am about necessarily backfilling for the future.

19:44 Yep. And Jackson wasn't going to be a guy that was going to see any sort of rotational duties in 2022. So. That's what I'm, that's what I'm okay. Punting on. His chance was would have been like 20 24 at earliest earliest probably later than that. So and again to fly come all the way across country. You get it. Obviously this weekend's, big big OV weekend, most of the classes coming down but kind of the big story that's breaking, you know, being starting to be known as Alex orgy is going to do an official to Michigan.

20:25 Now, I have not heard of the Virginia Tech officials canceled. So, he should, he could be doing both. There has not been a confirmation that he's canceled the over here, it's just that now he's going to Michigan. I kind of laugh because Michigan is starting a freshman quarterback. They're in the playoffs with Magnum Era. Michigan also has a significantly higher ranked guy in this year's class. So is it just one of those I'm going to Ann Arbor just to see it and say I'm there and then I'm going to show up at Tech on Saturday and I'll sign in a week or is this potentially flip? Yeah, I mean I think, you know, it's definitely a concern just because it's Michigan.

21:14 This is like this isn't just a comparable number. 22 grams. Yes. Number seven. It's not a and you know, Michigan. Has some some good qualities outside of just their football program as well. So there's concern there for sure at the same time, you know, he has indeed committed yet. So I think the problem that we're having right now is that we need to get some more movement on an offensive staff because it will be a little bit easier to lock up these high-caliber offensive players if you kind of knew what we were. Working with on that side of the ball. And, you know, based on the whiskers were hearing, there's some good reason for some of it, not coming out yet. But you gotta start making some movement if you want to hold some of the offensive pieces in this class, especially the bigger pieces, like, Alex orgy.

22:13 Yeah. Like out and Courtney. And that's the big piece is, depending on who these hires are the waiting. Game is not the best. If there's someone that you can Can get right now and I don't care if it's a running backs. Coach, a wideout coach, any coach. That you can officially get in in on staff or offense, get it. At least you have someone for these kids to talk to in some way shape or form. Even if it's not the o.c. yet. So hopefully maybe this weekend with the oves coming in a couple guys will get rolled out hopefully Friday before it all happens.

22:55 Hopefully to hopefully just hopefully now with drop on 10:00 10:00 at night. No one can complain about it if they like or dislike the guy but it does pass. Hey, we're all waiting at 7:45 in the morning, right? Or the next big thing to drop by the way, Hokies up 16. So they have pulled away. Kind of putting this game Out Of Reach from Cornell in the first half, good to see specially after the start at the start. And after the, the Wake Forest game in particular, I mean, it's nice to see them, get back in in some in some good form there drink. But let's let's just say this back to the movies. if we start, I think, if Brent prai has his guys lined up, even if he can announce them yet, for whatever reason, I think what you're probably going to get after this weekend, if he tells the kids face to face which to me, he should, you're going to get the smoke. You're going to get the, you're going to get the Whispers And then you're going to start seeing what the staff is looking like because again.

24:02 We're not worried about defense that's-that's-that's prize bread-and-butter the offense because the offense is a significant harder rebuild. Right now we have no quarterback. What if there is? Yeah, it's a harder rebuild and it's it's going to be it's, the more important piece just because a prize expertise because you've got to get a guy that is semi-autonomous on that side of the ball at were a couple Guys that are semi-autonomous on that side of the ball because that's not going to be something that prize going to be hand-holding or overseeing. It's going to be something that is expected. All right, well, we hired you to do this job. This is how we want you to do it. You need to go and do it.

24:49 And you know, it until we start to see what that's going to look like it's you know and and no not going on, orgy, I mean I think in situations like this where, you know, you don't know who your coach is going to be its, you know, I would definitely be looking. At least exploring my options even if I didn't necessarily pull the trigger. Yeah, because if you get it because if he gets a name, he doesn't like Then, it's an easy. Well, I've got now an option. So, I, you know, you get it. So here's what it is. But as of right now, still committed to the Hokies, um, Brown last week, we talked about, you know, obviously JC price Criss and Frehley retained.

25:30 No one has else has been officially announced but the last few days Ryan Smith has been dropping a lot more hokey stuff, you know, send a direct tweet to you know the new defensive coordinator who will talk about in a few minutes. Even talking about some fraternity, slang what up nuke? Which that's what they call kappas. And I think he's all that stain. Lot of lat. What do you think? Yeah, I think that's that's where the winds blowing at this point. He had a period of time there. Once the regular season season was over, where you didn't really hear a lot from him on Twitter, see a lot from him. And he smoked like that.

26:16 And then all of a sudden it was the Tweet when Waller got named the quarterback of the year for the Richmond touchdown club retweeted that. And then started saying some other you started tweeting some other hokey specific things as they was going along. Then started welcoming the new coaches in and things like that. So it seems like he's going to be retained. I imagine Sliding into the safety position with the next guy were about to talkin about probably coaching Corners. Yeah. So, we new hires announced this week and we're going to start with the first, because man, if you don't know about the cheetah yet, then you have not been following.

27:04 This Derrick, Jones is a officially announced. Coming over from Texas Tech, you know. Quarterbacks coach defensive, recruiting coordinator. I mean this guy has been around for over 20 years, you know? Started his career at Ole Miss as a grad assistant. Worked his way through some schools in the kind of the South and Mid-Atlantic got the Duke back about in 2008 where he coach DB's Corners did some special teams can associate head coach, and in 2020, move to Texas Tech where he handled the secondary and Cody coordinator there for a couple years.

28:01 He's a guy that pulled four stars to you. Yeah he was pulling for Star guys at Duke, which is pretty much unheard of. He's one of the reasons that in the better years of the cutcliffe era that you know, they were able to do what they what they did. Put a competing for a coastal championship team on the field, which is something that I think Duke really, you know. They weren't competitive for so long before cutcliffe arrived and the fact that they were able to do that in this guy was a part of that in a part of recruiting, some of the better players for that defense while he was there.

28:47 That speaks a lot to his ability to get guys to buy in to the message and and recruiting guys, that you know, are sometimes harder to find because, you know, do does have a high gimmick standard that has to be cleared in order to get those guys on the field as well. So I like the move, you know, we look at defensive recruiting coordinator and the social media presence that he has is I mean it's night and day from what we're used to. Oh my god. Well he has his mentality. You can he talks about being in the secondary is like being a cheetah about sometimes you Go on your own. Sometimes it's a team concept.

29:35 He's got how essentially he approaches coaching down. Yep. He's got motivational quotes. He likes to have fun calling out coach about the picture convincing coach chapter. That's coach product. Changes picture already, since he's now, okey changing the handle. Changing the picture. Yeah, he was all over. It was all owning it again. Do you need 10 guys? Exactly like that? No, but do you need some who are very outgoing? Yes it is great to see because you know I mean if you if the way it looks is in the morning you need a good motivational quote for your day, go to Derrick Jones, Twitter account, give it a few minutes. You're going to get two or three and it will get your day going and love it because that energy, man. We haven't felt that in a long time. Energy is good and it's good seeing that we're, you know, out in front sharing some of the photos from the recruiting Trail, because that's where a lot of these are coming from either coming.

30:39 From him, his account directly or him, retweeting it from the, the Hokie Football account. So, the social media presence just from coaches outside of the football account. I mean, we probably see more tweets from from just the, what we have right now is the Side of the ball coach's than we've seen in the last year combined except for the one night where J Hamm got on and was yeah going back and forth with with fans on Twitter. But yeah I mean I like the I like the higher I think it's a good. It's a high-level recruiting move but it's also a guy that can coach the position. Yeah, and I think that it's a good balance there. It's not just a guy that is that It is a heavy recruiter, even though he is that, but but he, but he has shown the ability to coach guys up as well, and develop Talent. Yeah, and also, the other piece coaching down at Duke for so long.

31:40 Got a feeling, he's got them in roads and probably knows probably a lot of the big schools down in North Carolina. So will the Carolinas. You probably have them. There's his Regency. Oh Charlie. While region are all right. Brian, the next guy that was hired was Sean Quinn. And And, you know, the way it's looking probably going to be Cody line coach with JC, you know. We speculated on that for a couple days there until the last tire was made but not not, not a lot of big places, but when we get to the last piece is really the piece that I want everybody listened to. So coach down at Tennessee, is a grad assistant in 99 and 2000, won coach the offensive line of special teams.

32:27 Spent five years with prai at ull as a defensive line coach. He didn't got an opportunity to go to LSU for you, or he coached ends gun some defensive coordinating, at Northwestern State reconnected with pride, Georgia, Southern, he was as linebackers coach there. Then between Western Carolina Charleston, Southern defensive, you know who coordinated coaching, linebackers, couple other stops and then 2018, he goes to serve, Van estate. For those who don't know, Savannah State is probably one of the worst foot Collegiate football schools. I mean, they've had like three winning season since program came in and 1898.

33:17 Bad historically, bad, historically, bad. This guy goes down there becomes defensive coordinator, then becomes the head coach and defensive coordinator. His first season as defensive head coach, or excuse me, his first season as head. Coach, they went 8 and 2. This year they won the conference. They had one loss. If nothing else that speaks to what he is as a coach. Yeah. And I mean, there's definitely some layers to that. The biggest one being is that apparently he was just taking the state salary to coach. Their, he wasn't getting any sort of supplemental pay to be the head coach there.

34:05 So this is a guy that is a coaches coach. He cares about coaching. He cares about getting guys. Eyes to achieve the goals that they want to achieve and get them to where they want to be not. Not someone that's that's hung up on the money part of it or we're all those things. So this is a guy in the trenches doing that doing all the right things but also a guy that knows his shit and can communicate that and get guys to follow him. So I think that That's a big thing for me with Quinn, obviously, not a ton of power, 5, recruiting experience.

34:51 But what you're getting guys to come to these, these schools and, and, and show out and show up. And I think that's big. So, probably this is more of a developmental type coach. A guy that can get the most out of players that come in at the position, but it doesn't seem like he would be a liability on the recruiting front at all now. And I'm going to Go back, the record. I did this. Look at the records seven and three in 2019. And this year, I lost it Hayden to this year, either way for that University 2:45, and two seasons is just impressive. Also let's again start thinking about where he's been at Savannah State, Georgia, Georgia, Southern Charleston, Southern Western Carolina, Tennessee Tech. He's been in that Georgia Corridor and I say, being at Savannah State for the last 34 years. Again State we go into it's one of our supplemental state, right?

35:52 It's in our footprint, yep? Again you got a feeling recruiting it doors or Southern as there are see Heap. Probably knows the coaches down there, so it's that same old. Same old that we talk about. You got to have the connections at the school in occasionally, you've got to take the developmental guy home in where maybe the big guy comes through and even though he might not come, he starts giving you a look. So I think I think he's our Georgia guy. I don't know about Florida, but it'll be interesting. Yeah, he's definitely got some some Roots there in that kind of Georgia. South Carolina, least the southern part of the southern part of South Carolina there. So that's the region that he'll be handling. Probably long-term along with probably working with some of the other coaches on Virginia, guys. Yeah.

36:47 Now, finally, we were all kind of wondering we're going to have Cody sees, we're going to have a defensive coordinator. We're going to have run. Well, that was answered. Chris Marv is hired. He is going to be the DC. He's going to be the linebacker coach here and Brian, you know, we looked at his biography, he's 32 years old, which is why I hold them, it will make him one of the youngest defensive coordinators in the country. He's only been coaching since 2014 where he started at his, you know, his alma mater. Vanderbilt as a quality is quality control. Coach for defense, got a ga as an outside line.

37:30 Backwards and inside linebackers, for three years, when Derrick Mason was there. So, although Derrick Mason did not have the success. There he wanted, Derek Mason is a very good defensive coach. Don't let that pass you by plus who do you play for pry? Be played for prai. He was his inside linebacker after 18, went down the Mississippi State. Run game coordinator, linebacker coach then moved over to Florida State where he got extended earlier this year. Here. What do you what do you think of him right now? I mean he's 32 years old behind I mean that's just holy moly.

38:10 Yeah this is definitely like up-and-comer Could be long long-term solution at the defensive coordinator position. If it works out, you know, obviously Run game coordinator, linebacker coach at FSU, everything that I've read and heard about this guy is that he is sound in X's and O's sound in developmental The only really area weakness in his game right now is eight experience calling plays. But as price said, in his interview in the opening presser, he would call plays until he was comfortable, handing that off to the defensive coordinator.

38:58 Number two, His recruiting profile is. Not necessarily outstanding. It's not a liability by any stretch, but at the same time, he's not a He's not Derrick Jones on the trail and you know some of this is a little bit of a sour grapes. I think amongst the the Florida state contingent that saw him lose a couple battles to in-state teams and didn't like it you know there's a reason he got extended after one year There's a there's a reason that you know. Yeah, let's look at it this way, so 2020, you don't really get to visit anybody.

39:56 You don't get to do all that and you open the season the next season with a loss to Jacksonville State. So, I'm sure that had some impact on, on, on how some some of the folks use recruiting viewed. That. Situation A same time, you know, he's not winning battles that are potentially winnable. So on the recruiting front, I'm not sure what we got. But when we look back at Bud Foster, Bud, Foster was not a good good recruiter historically, he didn't really start recruiting heavily until the latter portion of his career. He was pretty much You know, I'm the coordinator, I call the plays I you know and I think we're getting a little bit of a similar type mold little bit even younger than Bud was when he first got the tap there.

40:58 But I'm a net positive on this higher. I think I think the the upside is greater than any drawbacks that we can look at here and one of the bigger upside is who As big as his two biggest commits ever were Alston orgy in a knee towards Big Brother to Alex Ward G. So if nothing else him coming in there and like you mentioned, I mean the guy was on in the last since about 2000 17 30, under 30, top 40 under 40 he's been on those lists.

41:39 He had some guys drafted pretty high that he mentored so So I think X and O in developmental in, it's one of these things to the way we've kind of outlined it with having guys like JC having guys like Derrick Jones having a guy like Quinn, who is, you know, he might not have recruited the biggest, but he's been in recruiting coordinators, understanding and potentially having around Smith, come back. It might be one of those things of listen. They're going to handle all of the real recruiting aspects now, they will need you to come in and give the X and O presentation. Like any company you have something else. We were great salesmen, but occasional Kate.

42:21 We need our technical guy to come in. We're going to have this nice little frame for him. This is what he is going to present. He'll answer questions and he'll move forward, and we'll continue the selling process. So I think it'll be okay. He's already in Blacksburg. You're hopefully, he'll be hitting the road with the guys in obviously, in town for the ovs. So again, really big there. Something that we knew that had to happen and man, did it happen in the last couple weeks. Trey Turner, Amari Barna James Mitchell, George William ruddiman Smith and today Brock Hoffman all declaring for the draft. I'm not shocked right now. Only one of those is playing in the bowl game. That's bra Kaufman.

43:06 Yeah, well, Mitchell can't with Trey bang. Like he was being teased, shouldn't lettuce. Had the ankle at the end of the year. He shouldn't. Um, and I get it only, I mean, Jordan was Nick, but play even have anything significant, so he played through it. I mean, so and obviously, you know, I don't know what the, you know. Bar no may have had something that would that was going on as well but you know, there's really, you know, excuses don't really matter here. I mean everyone's making a choice for themselves here and that's a good thing overall. I mean yeah this will be different if we had we got a new regime coming in, it's a little bit different, I think and this is kind of what we're seeing if guys that are going to the NFL.

43:57 If it's a meaningless bowl game, then if they're done, they're done, and that's what I told Brian today. This very inviting tray, I don't know, Jordan and the other guys are getting invited, but make this, if you choose to opt out, that's fine. Bring the guys with you, let him be part of the team experience. One more time, regardless what they're doing. Data thing, make that a thing. Now, I'm going to say this I really think I'm re barno and James Mitchell. Should I really wish they would come back bar. Know.

44:38 Is just he's not there yet. it's going to have to be, I heard somebody who Channel somebody and He could go third round or he could not be drafted, he could be a project. The NFL isn't doing projects as much anymore in the first three to five around or the first five rounds. Yep they're looking for guys. Listen. We got to be a play. They're looking for guys that at least have to be have a rotational role year. What? Yeah, it's six and seven, so are still some developmental but there's only what 64 to 70 picks usually with supplement. Yes, lot of guys, you're looking at going free agency to me for James Mitchell.

45:25 The reason I would be trying to sell them to come back as James. Not going to show what He Is. We me and Brian were kind of doing the timeline. He probably could show for a pro to, he's not going to get 2nd to do that. No, unless he's a free, which he, you know, he could heal like a freak, but it's not going to be the freak that we know him as yeah. He'd be working back into shape, even if he was able to go on it. And, whereas, everybody else is getting most of December, and all of January, and part of February to Gear Up. Yeah, so Ed best. He's gonna have a week, maybe two?

46:08 Yeah. And that's if he can make ND, he has a better shot at making a pro day. Yes. And getting a show out there and and I think the bad thing for us is that he's shown Flashes of his ability. But because of how we use him in the offense, we never really showed the high end of his ability. Sure. And I think that's that's the bad part of of this injury for him is that he's not going to get to show off his athleticism at the combine on top of coming off a year where he pretty much missed the majority of the year. Yeah.

46:50 Followed by two years where he didn't Lee get used properly in the offense, never got used properly. Now luckily for him the moment he flashed he flashed like you could see it but if that guy had been in an offense that really showed him probably seven, eight hundred yards. Probably what's this? The consistency of the targets, right? It's you know, yeah when we got in the ball it was fine but we just didn't go to the effort of getting him, the ball often enough. It was never that game plan that you. It up, he needs 12 targets. Well, what if they start double team, if they start double-teaming, there's going to be so many more things that open up for us.

47:30 You dip shits? No, there won't be because we threw it to the predestined receiver, every time going to James, he's quadruple covered. It is ball dumbasses. All right, let's move on the porter review. Something we're going to keep in the rotation, really. Nobody else has when in nobody else has went out. Daryl, Bailey did commit to u.s. SF good for him. And the smoke around tabi on right now is he's getting heavily recruited a lot of different schools SEC. That's the other reason why we're it's like you got to get someone in the offensive room that can sell him.

48:11 What we're going to do. Yeah even getting one or at least get either your the wide receiver coach in here or Euro. See Even if you're not ready to fill out the rest of the staff yet and I know some of this is timing with, with other pieces, and that's, that's a big thing. But, you know, you don't want, you don't want to keep sitting on your, on your hands, on the offensive side, while a guy like Tavian Robinson, dips, because it's one thing if you lose Alex already, it's another thing. If you start losing some of the other younger offensive piece pieces on this team to the transfer portal because I just make sure your job. Rub this off season all the more harder trying to find other guys to replace them.

48:57 Very true. Alright, Brawn. So the Hokies did not have their worst fears revealed with the announcement of the bowl game. We did have its into Annapolis, we do not get sent to Charlotte where we'd have to face Shane and that would be great but they get sent to the Pinstripe Bowl in Yankee Stadium in New York City to face an old familiar foe. And Maryland Terrapins, how do you feel about the matchup? I know. Two weeks from tonight. We're going to do our in-depth episode. But how do you feel about it? So fours, does it matter? Because I haven't seen their opt-out list. I'm sure they've got just as many I think it's going to be different for us, just because we're going through a coaching change, we will probably see a little bit more attrition because we're going to see Probably a handful of guys get the portal and have the opt outs on an already somewhat thin roster that we kind of, you know, put a bandaid on to finish the season.

50:05 So that's really my concern at this point is making sure that we can get a good team out there, win or lose. I want to see a lot of Youth hit the field. I want to see what they can do and that end up in a Game against, you know, solid caliber opponent and hopefully we don't just we want to win the game obviously, but I want to see a game plan that takes advantage of all the pieces on the offensive side of the ball. And not just, you know, turn into a Patriots team on Monday night football against Buffalo where we're just going to tight in and running every time.

50:48 Very true. Well, you play to win the game. So, running would be probably what we do more of, but certainly, at least the next three weeks because it's three weeks or night is to go the three weeks from today, is the game, at least these young, guys will be getting those extra reps and luckily have and hopefully JC and Smitty, hopefully Smitty there. They can begin dictating. What we want. Like, well I'm going to go run him at wide. Receiver, note Duane's going to run wide out. I'm doing this on the line. No, he's playing line any and it sounds like a jerk move but it's like you have two guys on staff who are looking to the Future, not looking for this game. I think that's a big key now, Ryan, obviously the other piece and it's been, you know, discussed by numerous people is this is a big game to, because of her relationship with the Yankees that happened after 416.

51:53 Yep. Yeah. That's been big. And, you know, it's been talked about between players, coming down playing on campus of wearing the v t Hat's. It's been a really solid relationship that was built around, unfortunately, tragic events, but it's good to see kind of that that getting pushed forward again with this, with this bowl bid, and it's going to be interesting watching a bowl game being played in Yankee Stadium. A game. I care about I should say, I mean, I've I've watched pieces of one moment. Yeah.

52:33 So before but it's the midweek, mid-afternoon game, which You know, I'm actually kind of looking forward to because we're the 215 game that day. That's what that's like for us who we're going to be off that week. That's like one of those like really Prime spots. It's like it's after lunch but it's going to end before dinner. Yep. Whoa. You know, that really good window of this is the greatest time to have a game because yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably be, you know, watching the game and packing shit because you know, Yeah, if you guys see the boxes behind me here, I'm packing my house whose I'm moving in the next couple months, so be on the lookout sometime later.

53:22 This. Offseason you're going to see me in a new room recording, these bad boys. So yes, he is. All right, now guys, we got some more stuff to, you know. Look at we're going to be looking at, obviously going to be picking some of the early bowl games. We're going to be talking about Other coaching changes the impacts on, you know, the country as a whole and the cfp after we take a quick pause with a message from our digital partners. Because we take a quick break, we'd like to tell you about getting your free website report from our digital partner, Grassroots, digital marketing Studio. They'll tell you how your website ranks on Google on-site, SEO and social media. No commitment to buy anything.

54:02 You can get your free report by visiting. Grassroots digital studio.com forward slash free Dash website, Dash report. Now back to the episode I'm sorry Brian, let's start and look at the college football playoff obviously this week in Michigan Alabama. Cincinnati win to stay in the committee keeps Georgia in at 12:00 and 1:00. Let's talk about these matchups. Let's talk about just high-level Bama. Cincinnati, is this going to be a game? Or do you think the Bama we saw Saturday shows up And potentially steam drill sensing. So, my concern, obviously, with any game that bamas in is the amount of time that saving has to prepare for it. So National Title, all bets are off because there's only so much you can do in advance games.

55:01 Like this fickle is going to have his hands full. I think this, you're probably going to see Bama playing on offense and defense with the same type of play you saw against Georgia. Yeah, I don't know if since he's going to be able to to match that they might be able to slow down bamas offense, but I don't know if they're going to be able to score enough points and I mean essentially, Nick's got 26 days to prep for now. Here is the only thing I will say and why you you give them a puncher's chance. This isn't the Alabama of last year on offense. They've stumbled at times. This isn't the defense of the mid to 2010's. When they were holding people 28 points a game. They have been ordered even Georgia scored on them with a really pedestrian quarterback and just kind of a ho-hum offense.

55:57 Since he is going to have to take some super high risk. I mean Fourth and two at your own 35, we're going for it. Ha ha ha. I think field goals? Fake punts on Sidekicks anything. You've got trick wise, got got to pull it out. Yeah. You don't want to be Reckless but at the same time you want to take as many calculated risk as you have in the book, see, I'm the opposite Reckless, I'm not be Reckless. No one's giving you a shot. If you hit on, if you take seven or eight really Reckless plays and you hit on to, it could be a man. Menem swing yeah, but if you play Squash asleep, if you can't play stupid you don't want it. I mean you don't want to essentially treat it like you know when you're playing Madden and you're like alright well its fourth and 12 on my own 38 I'm going for it. Well before I know what to do here, I've got the perfect play call it's the same play call, I had on third down, he's just going to work.

57:01 This time, I had the Perfect Polly call now Is Hell takes too long and overthrew. Um, what about the other game? Braun? Michigan. Georgia. We feel on that one. That's going to be a battle. I think it's Michigan's game to lose though. I think that unless Georgia is going to give JT a shot while there, while they're preparing for this game and at least have that in their pocket. It's a game that George is going to need Stetson Bennett to win it and I don't think you can do it, you know.

57:43 So yeah. I like Michigan early but, you know, it depends on what we start. Hearing out of that that Georgia practice session where I think that, well, if JT comes back, that's fine. But that's going to be his first live game and I mean, the defensive line of Michigan is sec. I think the defensive line is personally better than a band of this year. In bama had success. I think the linebacking corps isn't as good as you know, was a Will Anderson who's a creek and tfl machine probably should be in New York City Saturday but he isn't, that would be, you're worried, right? First live game action in like two months, is going to be against that Elite unit.

58:26 Where I fear is going to happen is Michigan's going to This is going to be one of those like 17 17 games late and it's like, whoever makes just one blunder. That's the game, they're both good defensively. Michigan, it clearly has a strength of running the ball. That is Georges defensive strength. I look forward to watching that game both. All these games are on New Year's Eve which let's just hark this If the Rose Bowl wants to be at five, I think the I think what they've got to do is just say New Year's Day, the Rose Bowl is not the game.

59:06 We're going to put one kicking at one. We're picking one kicking at 8:30. Instant and just sandwich the Rose Bowl in there. Make the Rose Bowl look stupid because they're, they're essentially the reason it's not everything's not on New Year's Day at 4 and 7, they are caring more about tradition than I mean, no one's saying you can't have the parade when you want to have the damn parade, just play the fucking game at a different time. Well, the only thing to eat the thing, is the parade could happen the day of and you could do that, you could do a night game. Game on New Year's Eve in 8:00 kick. Where the whole country would be watching, you know, we got to talk about Brian. The one other thing Brian's 12 here. So Brian, the remaining of the top 12 in this year, it works perfect because all the power 5 teams are in, we have G group of five team in, right?

1:00:07 So here your matchups. First of all, let me ask this the top four teams this year. Do you feel that any of the team's five through 12 could beat them? Yeah. Yeah I'm with that this year. I think. Yeah I mean there's really I mean we saw that George's fallible. Bam has been fallible. Michigan's inaudible. Yeah. I mean if we're looking at quality of losses and I mean Georgia and Michigan probably have the best losses And those are probably the only two teams that you would say, all right, well they based on their their whole resume. R.

1:00:54 A step ahead of where everybody else is. Yeah, yep. Alright, so here would be the matchups. Brian. If we went to the 5 through 12 Notre Dame pit. That'd be a clash of two Styles. The Notre Dame defense against the pits offense, Six and eleven, Ohio, State Utah. Same way a clash of two Styles offense versus defense, a rock fight, that would be Baylor and Michigan State. Take the under that thing will probably be like 43 and a half. Take the under. I don't think anybody's getting 240 and then contrasting style, and I think we're getting this one. Mississippi old Mississippi Ole Miss, excuse me, Oklahoma State. That's the Sugar Bowl this year, right? I believe you're right, you two, go check, but intriguing matchups if intriguing venues and there's one other thing run. That I think this would make you happy, right? Because when you have a team, 10,000 analyst, you're going to figure out what they do, good what they do, bad. if you have 26 days, if everything is done correctly, the most time anybody would have what we're saying two weeks, right? Because in your thing, confident, we move back a week, everything correct?

1:02:18 We move back a week, everything gets moved back conference championships or on the Saturday, the opening round of the playoffs would have been last weekend. We skip we do Navy Army this weekend. And then next weekend, we for Christmas. It's the quarters. And then obviously, New Year's Eve you used a is the semis you want. There's not going to be a big. There's essentially going to be just basically like getting about week, right? Yeah. You want to get a bye week, then your plan it with me anymore. In the by the way you get a little bit of extra prep about three more practices for more practices, little bit extra time to watch some tape, but nothing that would give you a decided Advantage if you have an army of analysts compared to your Opponent.

1:03:11 Yeah. So again I mean again that's in discussion the eighth in the 12, you know, it's coming what it's going to be, will be interesting, but we know we're on the 12 boat. It's too much money for them. Not to do it at this point. They're going to do something. They just have to decide which one, which way they're going. Exactly. All right, let's hit this brine. The game of headsets. Because man, that this is this affecting Virginia Tech in so many different ways. The big one is Brent venables. Goes back to Oklahoma. Dabo is losing the best thing that ever happened to him.

1:03:52 Yep. Down at Clemson Debo is losing the thing that took him from having a very good ACC team. To having the team that's dominating the conference in win national titles. We said it last week, I'll, you know, we set it, like we talked about Stoops and we said Brent venables is the guy and obviously, it looks like he was the guy. They just had to wait for the man, to wait, for whatever reason, for that last week to go by, even though Clemson wasn't playing.

1:04:33 I'm interested to see who Daddo gets because he's not going to find anybody of that cat. There is no one of that caliber out there right now. In my opinion the available just like one of maybe three in the country. Yeah, so and the other two are already coaching somewhere else that is of equal or greater ilk. So it will be super interesting to see who he goes and gets in applaud to venables for In the lead, it took him a long time to do it. It was being speculated on five six years ago that he might go and do it. You stayed a while, coach two sons but now he's moved on there and you feel for him because he's going to the SEC, he likely in the west.

1:05:22 So yeah, he's making a move from arguably one of the Top three, easiest top three or four easiest divisions to win in to probably the most difficult to win in on a second. All right, even though this is not official yet. It appears that Tony Elliott will be the next coach of UVA. Maybe, you know, who the hell knows after what happened in. It's been a weird 48 hours for UVA.

1:06:02 There's been a lot of emotions from UVA fans out there. You know, the it's been interesting, they all but thought that Anthony Poindexter was To be the guy. Yep. And then that fell through and there was a lot of a lot of feelings on the timeline on Twitter, a lot of feelings amongst UVA folks that I talked to. So, you know, I think Tony is probably a good fall back in this situation because while you're not getting someone that is an absolute culture fit like Dex, you are getting someone that can recruit has shown the ability to recruit everywhere. He's been what you're looking at though is that, you know, we talked about it when we did our breakdown is that Tony's never coached outside, South Carolina.

1:07:02 Never been a head coach, what's that going to look like? Well, it's also a bigger thing, you know, he was one of the guys we looked and we thought last year would be a great fit for Tech. I thought he'd be we still thought he'd be a good fit protect this year. A We're football culture, we are spending money on football facilities, upgrading putting more money into the coaching staff. Yep. UVA is not and know their facilities are 25 or 30 years old, where our updates happened 15 years ago, and now, we've essentially modernized everything. It's not just like a nice update, they're literally going to have to gut and redo everything when they undo their facilities. So it's not going to be a few Years. It's probably going to be a I would say a three to four year project.

1:07:51 So there's that then you got people completely turned off. I mean, they literally part to that ad, went out to the ceremony for Poindexter for his Hall of Fame, right? And they just left him and did not hire him. Which that's going to rub a lot. There's a probably some big money donors that are just going to be like, Boop. Now, donors were ready to open their wallets everything for facilities. If decks was the man, I don't know if they're still hit that. I don't know if they're still open with with, with Tony out there. You know, I think again, it's a probably a good hire for them, but I think the way it went down with Dex leaves a bad taste in.

1:08:36 Folks mouth and you don't quite have the swell of enthusiasm behind it that you would have gotten with Dex. Just because I mean Dex was the perfect culture fit guy from The Welsh era guy that can get them back to a defensive minded approach and a guy that I think could really motivate Folks off the field as well. Getting a clean days engaged in that football team again because, I mean, you know, When I was growing up, you know, the Virginia Tech and UVA games.

1:09:20 I watched were fucking dog fights yet, they were, I mean, and they were a were, they were dogfights with even when it was at Scott Stadium. There was a lot of people in the fans now. It wasn't ever a lane Stadium atmosphere but it wasn't. What? Everyone's been talking about the last 20 25 years. Yeah, the issue is the thing about why you thought Poindexter was perfect is The most competitive, the Commonwealth cup. It ever be in Modern Age was during those 90s when he was on some of those teams. It's kind of funny because we also look back and we think about print problems part of some of his part of 95 the druckenmiller. You know if you've not heard Bill Rawls say it then again. How big of a fan are you the greatest comeback I've ever seen?

1:10:09 And then I'm Tonio Banks picks off runs on the other way into the end zone as the game ends. The Remember the UVA coach the trip, they tried to trip him. Yeah so I mean I kind of feel for Tony because I feel like Tony's in a no-win situation because they're going to give him six five, six years in Tony's going to have to win over that group, really fast. And have doesn't, it's going to be a tough tough slaw. I think he can with the personality, but I think there's going to be some rough sledding. It's going to be ugly for a couple years now. Talking about ugly, know, we, if we made a prediction Mario, crystal ball will be the Next Miami head coach. I don't think that would have shocked us one bit with it now I mean we saw that they were at least flirting with that and you know crystal ball Miami guy not just Miami. But born and bred Miami rings from the championship are. Yeah, so if you said that was happening, that would Shock Me. If You said they would pretty much offer the job while they were still having man.

1:11:24 He going to recruits houses to recruit. I would have said, what the fuck are they doing shit show? Shit. You I mean it's cool that you want to hire Crystal Ball but as soon as you were getting those contract, talk with him. You have to pull guys off the road. Yeah. The season's over. It's not like it's not like it's always the season still going on. Like once the season's over we can get rid of his ass. Well, and I mean, yeah. I know some everyone's like, well, you know, Manny pull this shit with temple. Yeah, he did. And that, that is what it is. You can crucify Manny for that. Still say it's fucked up to do it. Now, in this situation, the whole thing with Manny though, doing that is Manny left under the assumption Rick was staying. He went out.

1:12:15 He found his first head coaching job, right? Yeah. Rick pulls out of nowhere health reasons. I'm leaving. Well shit, if I because I have a feeling if Manny had been told that 10 days prior, I don't think many would have ever attempted to get the temple job. This only happened. I agree. I agree but you still had what seven players sign on to Temple in the interim. It's true. It's true. Okay. So this is the second. They had crystal ball Tinsley signing. They should at least you want to keep the the assistance on the road. That's fine. He might potentially keep somebody on staff. You at least will Manny off the road like listen you need to you need to come back. Wow, yeah.

1:12:59 Well cause you're not gonna have a job. You do what we did. Essentially find that one or two guys that you know you're probably going to retain and hey you send them out on the road exactly. Um but clearly Miami is all in because it announced today. It was reported over the weekend, Clemson, a deed and reg. Nasty pitch. Think that's how you pronounce his name is going there from Clemson. So he is a Miami graduate. So again back home but we kind of look DC go no see going 80 gone. Dabo is Debo is a really good coach? We're about to find out, we're going to find out if he's a really good guy to valuating, who his coaches are. We're going to find out because, you know, even though the struggles this year of Tony Elliot, you know, finishing somehow below us and total offense. I'm still trying to figure that out with all the talent there. You know it's an empty room and now he's a little bit behind because of how everything goes down. Now I'm sure he was given neighs notice of you know, both Tony and Brent leaving but it's something that he has not had to do in a long-ass time.

1:14:27 Yeah. As that during a long time and is somewhat behind some of the other Station in filling some of these spots. I mean, we beat him out in filling out most of our defensive roster. I know not, not necessarily the guys were targeting where some of the guys he'd be targeting, but it's going to be interesting because I mean we still don't know. I mean, do we know how many folks are following Brent to Oklahoma? We don't know how many folks from Clemson's offense or following Tony. There's still a lot of pieces to kind of fall into place. So the elbow is going to have some work to do and Dabo had a quote today. That doesn't bode well for him adapting to what he's facing right now.

1:15:17 Can you, can you read that real quick? I read it earlier, but I don't want to do a Verbatim, hang on. Let me let me locate it here because it was it was what's ugly? Efforting happening. 14. All right, Dabo Swinney on whether college football was in a good place. With in, I owe money flowing through the sport. No college football is not in a good place for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of change going on, and I think some unintended consequences with that. Well, let's see the players are benefiting, right?

1:16:00 Yeah. Players are benefiting, the players are benefiting that when they get sucked into a school. That is not their fit, their in a fitting. It seems like the only person not benefiting is someone like that of Sweeney. We are fans are benefiting correct. We're benefiting, we're seeing potentially 12 team playoff. Will we feel our team has a chance to get in. Yep, which hurts Clemson. Everything he's talking about is it's Clemson specific. Most most schools are very excited about in il to give and I don't fault him for being self interested.

1:16:40 But there's a, there's a difference between advocating for your case and essentially shitting on anything that makes your job harder. Yes. What is learn? How to read a room? Yeah, I mean, like, like, right now At this point you got to if you're not on board with in I own if you're not on board with how to take advantage of the transfer portal that you're going to get left behind at some point, you're lucky that you've got the talent and that you've had the horses and that you've had the coaches to keep you at the top more or less through the early days of this. But it's only going to get You know, deeper in here, you gotta adapt or die.

1:17:27 And, you know, the church money is not the only money in the game anymore and we will move on after that state. I've seen nothing on Horgan yet. It's a really good job. Whoever lands there. I'm sure that'll break probably sometime this week with everything happened with them, but morgenthau to do, This a couple times over the last few years they've ended up. Okay. They've been poached like three times in the last few years, they've landed on their feet every time. You know, I think with the money that Mikey pours into it and all the donors in that area. Yeah.

1:18:12 They tend to and the fact that the Pac-12 overall is just been more or less down. They've been competitive in their conference every year and they've been an up here. They've been you know, fighting for a playoff spot. So yep. Yep I don't think I don't think that changes much. They might take a little bit of a step back with Lincoln Raleigh USC, they got another horse. In the, in the west coast to compete for recruits now. So that'll be interesting but Oregon's never had to go toe-to-toe. They never really went toe-to-toe, hardcore with with USC, even in the in the good years and we're still competitive. So yeah, we'll see if they continue that Trend, exactly.

1:18:58 Do you? Will he lie? Jason Garrett, like you said. Well, Chad, what? Well, I don't know. I don't think that will haha, you only Chad was a fitted Duke. I don't think he's a big drought something. I mean, you feel for whoever walks into that to going to cut Shadow, but you know, they're down in the thing is, it's going to take them. Long time to get back up and let's, it's the right Perfect Fit. Yeah. And today, more musical. Chairs of Louisville.

1:19:39 Lady is headed down to FSU. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, the the ACC is just swapping ades apparently. Yeah. And I think I don't know, obviously the track record and I can't remember how long he's been there but, you know, you know, it seems like that fits you might. It seems like a money move like maybe this ad knows how to generate funds because Louisville's always been pretty good at that where FSU, after paying out like 9 million, 90 million dollars. And coach buyouts and probably getting paid for another one next year. Got to figure out a way to raise more money, so it's very interesting.

1:20:21 All right, bro. Yeah, it's going to be interesting if this is going to be something that helps that face you, you know, they've never had a problem with getting money into their program but when you're, as you said, when you're pouring out money for buyouts and things like that, at some point, the well starts to run a little dry. Right? Yep. Exactly. Eventually. It has to mean Lord, have mercy. All right, Brian. Let's get to pick them. We got one more. Saturday pick them and they were going to start our Bowl. Pick ones for the year. I'm still trying to figure this out. I must have put a wrong number. Essentially, brine 7061 to I'm 74/54 and to Brian Ford six last week I was 3 and 7. It was my worst week since week one. So.

1:21:12 But again, if you have been betting on hours, we would have made you money. We are better than a coin flip, almost three to five. For both of us in this week. Brian great game. It's one of those must watches. I've been told by my neighbor. It's a must go to. If you can, you can find the loot to get the tickets. Army-Navy, where is that this year? Yeah, second let me effort that real quick. Army. Navy on CBS, we are in New York City at MetLife Stadium. All right Army 83 Navy three and eight Army is laying seven points buddy I will lead this.

1:22:00 Maybe is down a Navy, is down bad. Take the under the over/under is the over-under is, what you got. He's 35 still take the under. Yeah. And I'm going to go Army, I'll lay the seven, I think Army wins this game by somewhere between 14 21 points. I think they'll dominate maybe yeah, I think this is our me all the way. Give me like a Twenty four, six or twenty four seven game. Yeah, maybe he's just not what they were. And potentially, they all run the same thing and it's just I guess it's just played out at Navy. All right, Brian it is bowl season. Believe it or not?

1:22:48 Y'all bowl. Season starts next, Friday, night or Friday, afternoon with the Bahamas, Bowl Toledo versus Middle Tennessee State. We saw Middle Tennessee State, obviously earlier this year. I am very surprised. If I was like a P5 player, I would be pounding on our 80s door and be like, why can't? You do the Bahamas bowl. Like, I would love to go to the Bahamas a week for Christmas. Did you just hang out ride, jet skis and Lounge. But we are not doing point spreads in these games just because a this game is over 10 days out.

1:23:35 And a we like doing picture in the year because we're following everything pretty close. I can't tell you who's out, I can tell you who's in, who gets hurt during practice. We're just picking this straight up on what we think of these teams during the year in Ron. I'll let you lead early do Middle Tennessee State, T guy. I want to take Middle Tennessee State in this one. All right. What about you, man? What you got? Nothing to lie. Do I think Jason candle down there, you know, always a competitive down in the Mac. So, I'm going to take 2 L. Also, I'll go opposite of you on that one. All right, next one, The Cure Bowl Coastal Carolina versus Northern Illinois, you know, obviously Coastal real. Ali had a downfall at the end of year and their quarterback got hurt.

1:24:33 You know, this game is down in Orlando. It'll be on next Saturday at 6:00 Saturday. Oh no, no Friday at 6. We have to bowl games. Next Friday, Brian 6:00. It is the season. I'm gonna throw this out here for you. It somehow coastal's a 10 and a half Point favorite. I'm taking Northern Illinois is coming off that big. In, in the mat championship game. And without a, without a coach or without a quarterback, excuse me, I can't see Coastal winning this game. I think they might end up winning the game but that that spreads too big for my blood so I won't take Northern Illinois.

1:25:17 Oh, we're doing pick them. I forgot we're doing. Pick up here, I forgot you through that almost took. I'm actually gonna go to Northern Illinois. I think they squeak it out. I think this week, it out, all right, next to Boca, Raton ball. I gotta see who sponsors the Boca Bowl who sponsors the Boca Raton Bowl AB State Western Kentucky, a clash of two Styles, ground-and-pound App State versus the Airaid of Western Kentucky, Washington Tucky, obviously Brian losing their oh, see. I'm not sure if he is going to call this game, but either way, who you got, I'm going to take AB state in this one.

1:25:59 I think they're going to be able to slow the pace down. And Come Away with a victory whether or not, he's calling plays in that game for Western Kentucky. So give me AB stayed here, lock it up with that one AB State as well. I think appstate roles when I think AB States just one of the better teams and unfortunately the best team in the Sunbelt this year. They had a play them twice and they could not overcome that. All right. New Mexico Bowl. This is this the is this the Barstool Bowl? The New Mexico Bowl, I think it is. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Effort that real yeah, presentable, a ESPN has it?

1:26:42 We do not know. Sorry, bar stools, Arizona years, honorable, you Mexico, Bowl UTEP, message, Fresno State, Fresno State, obviously. Their head coach just took the job at Washington, but I don't think that matters. I think Fresno State is significantly more talented than UTEP. So give me Fresno State to I think Fresno State wins Big yeah Fresno State rolls this one. It's just too much talent compared to use up you know with or without the coach I think they're going to get get things going and get it done. All right?

1:27:24 It's an interesting game and Independence Bowl. A mole little always been a lot of Hokies hearts for numerous reasons. UAB versus BYU Ron. Do you a be a for BYU ranked 13th? Just out of the potential 12 team playoff picture at 10. And 2, big story on this one, Kalani satyaki was rumored that he was going to be interviewing at organ at some point this week UAB from from Basically, they Undertaker. This thing, they were buried and they came back alive and they've been winning and going the bowls since that program got reinstated. So what do you say on this one?

1:28:12 Braun. I think, coach or no. We're looking at a Fresno State situation. I think BYU takes care of business. I think. If they don't have their coach, it's going to be closer than I think, a lot of people think, but I still like BYU to pull it out. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Um, a couple of the losses for UAB this year. They lost Liberty, lost a rice. Lost it a good UTS, 18 close. But I think BYU just has more Talent. In regard with what clients to talk, he does whether he takes the organ job or not. I think they're just too talented. All right. The LendingTree bolt Eastern.

1:28:56 Michigan. Versus Liberty. What's a on? And I got this one right? Brian. Yeah you're leading on this week. Let's see. Where's the LendingTree bowl? Is my first thing. I gotta know LendingTree Bowl is in Mobile Alabama, Eastern, Michigan, out of the Mac. Let me just see a couple things here. I'm going to take a liberty. Well, you know, trusting the fries, I'll take you freeze whether Malik Willis is playing or not. I think you will have a good enough game plan to beat a Mac team. Regardless, who is quarterback is okay, I'm gonna go opposite, you on this one?

1:29:42 Give me Eastern. Michigan, you looked up Willis isn't playing, is he? There's still some doubts, he'll play. So I'm going to go, I'm going to ride with that. He doesn't. So give me Eastern, Michigan? All right, next one. And I think of all these opening games we've got this one and one and we're going to talk about a few minutes. Here are the two most interesting or to my sister engine game. Oregon State Utah. State Oregon state which was a dumpster fire for so many years is now a solid Pac-12 program. The coach out there, forget his freaking name and I'm going to find it just because that guy deserves a shout out. So I'm efforting this because sometimes you just got to mention somebody's name.

1:30:34 Jonathan Smith That guy deserves all the credit in the world for turning them into a competitive team because for about five years that they were dumpster fire and Utah state with Blake Anderson. If you don't know, the Blake Anderson story is white pasta cancer. They shocked. Me and Brian both by. They beat San Diego State. I don't think that was shocking. They beat the dog shit out of San Diego State. I mean, they pounded them. So, on this game, Brian you. Paul 84, Oregon State. I want to go work in state with us one. I think as you said they're playing well Jonathan Smith has been playing really well out there at Oregon State. I think that's just going to be too much. I think they pull it up.

1:31:30 All right I'm gonna go flip flop on. Yeah I think Utah State takes that momentum of winning the Mountain West and I think they upset Oregon State. Obviously that game is in La. I will I'm interested to see exactly what Jimmy. Emma's going to do with it. It'll be really cool to see. All right, Ron all man 1A, B 1A and 1B teams playing each other ull Marshal in the New Orleans Bowl, obviously. Billy Napier's gone. Now, by the way, Billy Napier really started off great with that interview where his first press conference where hey Stars, don't matter. We evaluate players. No, no, no, it's not necessarily, that's a bad message, but it's tone-deaf considering why they got rid of Mullen. Exactly.

1:32:20 Marshall, ply played their worst game of the season against Western Kentucky, their last game, I want to thank you LL with the home field advantage down there in New Orleans Louisiana. They they win this game. Yeah, I'm with you. Okay, yeah, alright bronze with me here. The next one up here. The Myrtle Beach Bowl. Oh man. Oh the stories we could tell about Myrtle Beach on each other say 20 years ago. Well we're not going to do it.

1:33:07 No those are not for any sort of public record ODU versus Tulsa brine ODU beating the fighting will be lease to get in Tulsa you know this season. Had a couple of really like good games, like you remember, early in the season, they hung with, you know, Oklahoma State. They hung up with Ohio state for a while. They played since e tough, they put they beat SMU. So in this game, I mean, as much as I want to pull for somebody, in my home state, I think Tulsa wins. I think Tulsa actually has a good squad. They just played for really Teams this year and instead of having like a 9-3 record, you know, they look like a 500 team. I don't think they're that.

1:34:02 Yeah, I'm actually with you ODI. VOD is a great story with what they've been able to do this year in a row. Yeah, in the season but I think Tulsa just has more Talent right now and they're playing better so I think I think Tulsa pulls it out. All right, we're both going pulse with their the potato bowl. Wyoming versus Kent State. This will be. Where is the potato balls is still open Boise? Is it on the blue turf? Tuesday, the 21st at 3:30. So work early that day. Yep. Still at Boise. All right, Brian.

1:34:44 Who you say on this one? Kent State led by that crazy offense or Wyoming, I'm taking the offense, I'm taking Kent State I think they'll pull it out. I think they'll score too many points for Wyoming. Yep, I'm with you on that unless things change, you know, in the next few weeks here, but I don't see that. All right. Here's the other of the early bowls, probably one of those unique matchups, San Diego State vs. UTSA is the frisco Bowl. So, it's down in Texas. This is tough.

1:35:28 I love San Diego State this year, I watched a couple their games, Brady Hoke has them going, but the way they looked in that championship game it was almost like maybe he had gotten a phone call that he was going to get hired somewhere. He forgot out of play and then UTSA in that shootout against Western. Kentucky holding on for the last second, I'm going to take the old high school football coach. I'm gonna say UTSA wins this game. Yeah, I'm going with Texas San Antonio. As well. I think it's going to be a tight one though, but I think, You know, UTSA has found ways to win most of the year. I think they're going to find another way to win. Yeah, they have one loss all year. So we're both on the UTSA.

1:36:14 Trying Ian Brown Last One Armed Forces Bowl. We started with our me wearing it with our me Mizzou versus army. This game is going to be on the 22nd will be recording that night probably watching this game game is down in Fort Worth, Texas doubt the TCU Field. What do you think on this one? I think Army pulls it out. I think Army slows the game down and they pull it out. All right, I'm gonna go flip flop and go opposite of you. I think Mizzou takes this Zoo solid defensive team, but it's the whole preparation. They essentially, you're getting three weeks to prepare for this game, which always hurts the option. So I'm going to go there.

1:37:00 So we got all our stuff locked in for the first part of bowl season. We show up on the 22nd, we pick the remaining of games including the college football playoffs. But next week we'll promotion here. Next week is going to be a state of the program episode. We kind of did one of these last year. We had dr. Jeremy counselor, Main Street Pharmacy in Blacksburg. Join us Jeremy's joining us again. But this year, Brian we are bringing on an extra guest. Yes, Jonathan, Sally is joining us as well. Anybody in the twittersphere, y'all know, JT talibans it's going to be fun.

1:37:46 Having him on, it's going to be fun. Having Jeremy back in the house as well. That episode was kind of a Hallmark episode for us as we closed out 2020 last year for for different reasons. I think this one could be, it could top that with a little bit more of a positive spin on it. This this go around. So I hope you all show up, show out and we'll have the comments wide open. So anybody wants to comment on the video, get some questions out there for talent, get some questions out there for Jeremy, will pop those on the screen. Let them interact and it's going to kind of be around table.

1:38:27 We're going to, you know, have some topics We're going to bring up and we're going to let everybody kind of share their piece. So it should be a good time. All this will be a great time now. Brian is anything broken in the last Almost 2 hours here. I think we're good to go buddy, I haven't seen that. Tony Pony is official yet, so all the well that wraps up this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast, I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler. Visit our website. Boundary corner be t.com. Listen to all of our episodes, while you're there, don't forget to follow us on Twitter. Facebook, Instagram, subscribe to our YouTube account and your favorite podcasts or Spotify, Amazon and apple music, as always we let our buddy Jason long place in Play us out.

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