Duke Game Recap

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Welcome back to the boundary
Corner podcast.

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I'm Curtis Wilson.
I'm Bryan Sigma, buddy.

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How you doing tonight?
Sunday?

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Night.
We got one after a second.

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We got one after we win.
Yeah, we get to, we get to do

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this after a win.
I forgot what it felt like.

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Feels so much better to do one
of these without a win even

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though it's only been two weeks.
But you know, the the losses

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just take more of a toll on his
right and you know you got a lot

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of fun tonight, not a
discussions about the game and

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some more fun stuff with
something you got into earlier

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this week.
And Brian, the finish line is

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Tuesday for you, right?
Yeah, if I can get one, really,

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if I can get through tomorrow
night, the the next month is

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going to go a lot smoother.
Well at least things slow down a

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little bit.
My meat becomes more manageable

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so I'll take the slow down he
pile.

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He passed the mile marker of
finishing Youth Sports in the

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fall.
This weekend Sports is over.

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I got one of my two classes
wrapped up this past Wednesday,

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I I've talked about it a little
bit when we went last time.

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So, yeah.
And then the last of will the

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second of three big
presentations for the other

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class takes place tomorrow.
So yeah, once I get that knocked

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out, should be pretty smooth.
Sailing down the home stretch.

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Well, it's much easier for you
from here on out.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm looking, I'm
looking forward to, you know, I

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know we're going To the
holidays, which is always

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something to look forward to.
But it's nice to take a little

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bit off the plate gradually, as
we ease into that, because

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obviously, with all that stuff
comes a little bit extra stuff

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for for me to do as well.
So it'll be nice having a little

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bit lighter low to compensate
for some of that new stuff

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coming down the pike,
absolutely.

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And see here a little lucky this
year.

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When you make that move, you
don't have to do what I had to

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do.
Speaking of holidays.

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Neighbor up the street, put the
tree out.

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I got the look, you need to go
to the attic and start pulling

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everything down.
So so before the game Saturday,

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pulling a little bit of
Christmas down, and then pretty

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much all morning, pulling
Christmas decorations down.

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And I gave my wife a little
grief that she was like, listen,

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you know how much stuff we have,
right?

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I'm like, yeah, we decorate for
Christmas.

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You've been here?
We decorate.

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You know, we got to like it.
We tried to start Thanksgiving

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week, I wouldn't get everything
up until the week of Christmas

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and I want to enjoy the
decoration fight.

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You know what hon, whatever you
want.

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Let's do it.
It's not a big deal.

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I mean, I get the one to like
compartmentalize Halloween than

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Thanksgiving than Christmas.
But you know for folks that

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either travel on Thanksgiving or
constantly on the go that

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weekend, you know, you can't
always get it done.

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I mean we got we got a game to
watch after after Thanksgiving

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game, want to, we're going to be
one to get the damn decorations.

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Put up, never get them on, get
get at least a good start going

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the weekend before, which is
probably what we're going to do.

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Probably next weekend, we're
going to get a good jump on it

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and then wrap it up.
Once we get back from my mom's

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the following weekend after
Thanksgiving.

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So, There you go.
There you go.

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All right, Brian, let's jump
into it man.

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Hokies with.
I mean, I prediction, we thought

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it was going to be a close game
but offense defense and special

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teams all show out Hokies blow
the doors off of Duke.

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Kind of a Bittersweet Revenge
game for Justin Fuente speaking

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of, because two years ago was
the ugly game in the lane, he

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blows out Juke 48:17 and Let's
flip on the offense.

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First Prime, finally Hokies have
returned back to over. 500 yards

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of total offense.
We can do that.

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I didn't know we could do that.
I didn't know we had that in

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this.
But, I mean, it started on the

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running game though, right?
The running game got going.

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You know what 297 was over 300
before the kneel down?

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Yep, the noodles.
So we yeah.

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So over 300 and probably, the
more impressive was like, it was

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over 300 and the Carrie thing,
click, get it back up here.

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It's one thing.
I did not know take wonderful

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me, but I had it right here.
There it is.

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After Dean, on 40 carries 141
carries, do the math, that's

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over seven to carry, I don't
care who you're playing, you're

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on the ball that many times and
get seven to carry, you're going

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to win and usually you're going
to do what we did, which is

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absolutely blow the doors off of
them.

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And let's talk about the guy who
absolutely led the way monster

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first happen, Monster game
overall, Raheem Blackshear Ron

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117 yards on the ground, 9.8 per
carry.

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What did you see?
Just overall in his game on

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Saturday, he was definitely he's
in his game, has gotten a lot

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better as the seasons went along
and this was this was the big,

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the big game.
I think all of us were kind of

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waiting for for Blackshear and
and it finally happened happen

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against Duke.
I think, just because he's

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gotten better with his Is like
one cut and go.

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He's been more decisive with his
with his Cuts.

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I think that's really helped his
game.

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Duke was really poor old a set
in the edge getting to the spill

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area and he was able to really
run inside and outside and just

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he was able to really get to the
second level and when he gets

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the second level, he shift he
makes guys miss and he did a

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good job of Showing some of the
speed he doesn't necessarily

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have Breakaway speed but he has
good speed and can can turn

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things into a big play there.
So great job, I Blackshear

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Malachi Thomas unfortunately had
a rough day but we had a key.

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Shaun, King, sighting and boy
did it blow up it absolutely did

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here in T he re introduced
himself to us Hokies 94 95, I

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mean 10 yards a carry off of had
some Been in there.

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We'll discuss that in a little
while here and then, you know,

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the for went a comment that
really caught my ear so it

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quoted here, you know, I think
it's a glimpse of what Keshawn

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is capable of.
I love Keshawn King and

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unrelenting in my desire to
continue to do things the right

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way.
He knows that that's the

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beautiful part about it and
there's not a more pleasurable

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person to be around when he's
right?

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Hey, this game.
I felt like it was time to

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reward him with some
opportunities and he did not

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disappoint.
So sounds like he was not

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completely Italy in the doghouse
but obviously, because he had

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been on kick return, making it
an effort.

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They're getting a carry here and
there, but obviously worked back

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towards getting in that rotation
and then with the, you know, the

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bad day for Malachi with only 10
yards, not not great at all for

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him on seven carries, he added
that extra spark.

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You've ran hard and I think you
talked about Rahim and even with

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Keyshawn, some of the runs
yesterday, the vision and the

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decisive Cuts, they got to a
point.

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They saw where it was and they
just cut, they did not run into

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the back of anyone.
And I don't know if you saw this

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last night on Twitter or today,
Brian Khalil Herbert retweeting

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him.
Kind of giving it a, give them a

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congratulations and it seems
like there.

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I don't know if he's in there
ear sending the messages of what

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to see what to talk about.
But both of those guys, it's you

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see so many times.
These guys were so athletic like

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this, they try to get out.
They try to get out.

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When in reality you never made
an offensive lineman.

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Things are being set up.
You have to choose where to go.

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You got to be able to number one
trust that the blocks will be

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there.
But also read the blocks as we

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happen because sometimes
depending on what the defense

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does, there's going to be some
some adjustment to that aiming

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Point potentially.
So there's a couple things that

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happen in real time and the
Really best backs can be both

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patient and decisive at the same
time and that's what Herbert was

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so good at, he was patient but
he was decisive once he made a

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decision of how He was setting
things up.

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He get through there, and he had
the ability to turn a big one

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into into a touchdown, just with
his speed and his ability to

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break those arm tackles at the
second level.

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And and Rahim showed, you know,
promised there and I think this

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was really we really focused on
getting the running backs

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involved in the game plan
altogether from Jump Street and

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and and they showed out they
show that they were capable of

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getting the job done.
They really did.

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I mean, they showed they were
capable of getting the job, they

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go over 200 combined on, you
know, not that many carries.

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I mean, I think they were over
eight per carry which is just

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insane combined on a little bit
more than that actually.

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But let's talk about also a
front, right?

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Let's look at the offensive
lineman Brock Hoffman was out so

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I'm street clothes food on the
sidelines.

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Be interesting to see if he's
back any more games this season

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or potentially the bowl.
Game, he did participate in the

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senior day ceremony.
So Kind of the writing's on the

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wall there but we started out
our starting five.

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When we first rolled out was
Luke tenuta the seat of Smith.

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Johnny, Jordan South stains and
Darrell Smith and Will Smith

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written 25.
I'm sure that warms your heart

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to see a low number on the
linemen and then we saw, you

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know, Caden more and fabric
laments, get some action as well

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on the right side.
What was your assessment of the

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line?
Pretty much in all aspects.

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Yesterday, when I saw more and
Parker out there, that's when

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the line look the best in my
opinion and I thought Johnny did

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a good job at Center.
We didn't quite have as much

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push in the middle as we've had
in some other weeks.

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But I think he did a good job of
getting everyone set up in this

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in place of Brock because any
and he's ran Center come for us

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this year with Brock moving,
moving along the line early in

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the season.
We were still working out who

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are five were but I think that
more and Parker showed have

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shown some some jump in the last
few weeks and Silas was pretty

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steady when he was in there.
So I mean overall good effort by

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the offensive line.
That wasn't a whole lot of

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glaring, things that popped out
to me, we could have been a

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little bit better on the inside
Zone, kind of some of the

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Insight combos there.
But other than that, good job

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overall.
Let's flip and talk about more

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in Parker.
More obviously, has more games

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under his belt.
Parker, a few behind.

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But you talked about that was
the best.

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We look, is just one of those
things.

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The reps are finally catching up
and it's the whole head versus

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feet.
Hey, I'm going to do with an

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offensive lineman head feet and
arms.

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It's, they're not thinking
anymore.

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It's just becoming natural.
When they hear the play call,

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know what I'm going to do if he
puts his hand on my shoulder.

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I know how mother is it?
Just Coming more natural because

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of just means they're no longer
thinking about what they have to

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do.
It's more about, you know, once

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they do it, how the defense
reaction, then what they have to

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do to counter that in real time.
So, essentially everything after

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the snap.
Not, not thinking a whole lot

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before the snap, which is good,
that that you don't want your

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linemen thinking.
Before they take their first

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step, you want them to know
exactly what they're doing,

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exactly where they're going, and
what they're going to do when

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they get there.
So I think that's the big thing.

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You see more?
Come on a lot, a lot more

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lately.
He had a some really good

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blocks.
I think on a couple screens down

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field Parker was down down field
on my screen, getting some

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blocks.
So I mean they were doing some

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good stuff in various ways, it
wasn't just in the Run game, so

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really like the potential there.
We got to see if they're going

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to take another step going into
next season.

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But definitely early Returns on
both of them are Better than

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anticipated.
Great to hear.

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Right.
Well let's not forget the main

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getting every snap Braxton
Burmeister not skidding did get

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some stats and Braixen went down
with a little wrist injury but

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he did get back out there and I
just say this prom, when we

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actually run read options and we
have some designed runs and he's

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allowed to scramble, but in
keeping them under that 10

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threshold, this actually helps
not only Helmet on.

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It helps his team autonomy.
He had 71 yards on just nine

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carries.
Yeah, and it was a plethora of

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things.
Yeah we saw had the offense

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opened up once he was keeping
more once he showed that he was

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a threat in the running game but
nine carries 71 yards.

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I mean that's a big day that's
that's probably the best day

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he's had since at some point
last year in terms of running

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the football and what he did I
mean he didn't get hurt on a

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play where he's keeping it.
I mean, and he did a good job of

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getting down.
When he did take hits, it wasn't

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those type of hits where, you
know, it's a big lick or an

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awkward fall, he he was able to
go down, get back up, playing

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the next play and I think that's
what we probably needed.

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Most of the season to really
open things up in the running

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game, for the running backs,
early on.

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And obviously, if you could run
effectively that that helps in

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the passing game and we saw
those numbers, take some steps

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this week as well.
Oh absolutely.

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We did 94, 15, very efficient
day.

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Passing the ball, 215 yards
three touchdowns.

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The one awkward interception
which could have been

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disastrous, but keep practicing
credit for holding on to the

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castle egg before somebody could
get there to clean it up.

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But I think with the passing, he
is what he is.

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I don't and I don't think unless
you have an exceptional teacher

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in that room which were showing
that we don't that he's probably

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not going to grow much more than
what he is.

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And it's you're going to have to
have a really good running game.

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Yeah.
And I think that's the so I'll

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say this and I'll look at last
year, we had really what for

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sample size games from last
year, that kind of won't think

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about what Braxton was going to
be this year before the season

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started.
We had the to it.

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Early in the season and the two
at the end of the season.

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Yep.
And I think really, if you sum

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those four games up, we're
getting about the same Braxton

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that we got last year, a couple
top in games or kind of like

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those into the season ones and
the bottom end games are our

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kind of closer to what he did in
those in that NC State game and

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that Duke game.
So, It kind of hit is what it

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is.
And We see that when we can run

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the ball effectively, and when
we do incorporate him into the

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Run game, deliberately he can be
more efficient with the

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football, but in terms of Sling,
it around and throwing deep

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balls, I mean, that's not what
he's going to do.

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Consistently, we can pop one
every now and again when it's

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set up, when it's schemed when
he's got the wide open throw and

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he could step into the throw.
Yeah.

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Like they all those things have
to be in place for deep. balls

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to B2B the bread-and-butter and
it baffles me that it took so

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long to Figure out that we need
to do all these things in order

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for him to have success in the
passing game.

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Yeah, it just shows you that
there is maybe some I don't want

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to say it's ignorance.
But something along those lines

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in that room to not understand
that and I mean and give credit

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this week to to the offensive
game plan because you always

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talk about, we need to ease them
into it first play the game was

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a shot but the first player game
was a shot that was set up

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perfect.
And he just overthrew.

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All right, that's fine.
What I really enjoy do is we

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took we didn't go crazy on shots
like we did against Pitt, we

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didn't try to throw a ton of
screens like we did against West

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Virginia or the medium range,
and short games.

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Like we've seen a town.
It was a good mix of passes.

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Yeah.
Essentially.

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Do you get no point in time
could key on exactly what we

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were doing in the passing game.
And that's why we that's why he

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was so efficient, you know,
averaging over, 15 yards, an

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attempt.
You know, or right at 15 yards,

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an attempt.
And when you're getting, when

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you're in that, any time, you
break 10, in my opinion.

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You're doing good, you know?
But a 15-yard attempt is is

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really good.
And I mean we're going to get

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into some at the end here.
So hold your tongue Brian

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because I know what you wanted
to.

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He's a hold his tongue.
Let's move it.

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Let's let's talk about the use
of marine Blackshear and Keshawn

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King in the passing game.
Both score TD's.

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That again, you've always given
them credit and I don't know how

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much of a tell how much is
Justin Fuente or other people in

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that room that play design on
the key.

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Shaun King touchdown, do Dallas
brilliance Yeah, I mean it's a

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good design and the designs that
are there.

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I've never had that much
criticism of my criticism is we

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don't Target all the field
consistently enough and we have

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plays like that in our back
pocket and we don't fucking call

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them ever like why are we
sitting on this for Duke when

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we're sub 500 like where the
fuck was this?

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PC?
Because the played it, the

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penguin Keshawn King, even
without a running thread of a

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quarterback.
Because, sorry, here I got the

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burps today that play was not a,
it was just a straight outside

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zone, right?
That's all the play was it was

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an outside Zone, fake.
Outside Zone, fake.

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It showed one of the inside guys
want like a little flare out and

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then post wheel combo.
That could have been used

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against BC that could have been
used against Pitt that could

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have been used potentially
against Syracuse.

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What.
Absolutely going to use me

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against pick his pit plays, a
lot of the same type of

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techniques and coverage on
defense that that do plays.

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So what the hell are we doing
there?

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And let me, let me look like he
was on a Mars.

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He didn't know what he was doing
there.

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He was completely lost.
Good play, Bad Day.

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We've seen it all the time.
But what I say I said in man

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coverage, he was suspect and he
got but you got burned about

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three times and coverage, like
big plays, not just not just

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left.
I just given up completions.

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Yeah.
All right, let's talk about the

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other guy.
We already mentioned in Raheem

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Blackshear, called a touchdown,
had a big gain in a screen and

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then another one.
For the TD, I'm assuming you

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were looking your chops when you
saw both those place called

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because just watching them the
setups.

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Juke on the on the touchdown
when we were in Jet Sweep fake.

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And that whole defense went,
whoop to the opposite side of

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the field.
When bryceton done shit, it was

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like a three on one for the
offensive linemen like we don't

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have anybody to block it.
So, if you'd like to take that

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guy, I mean.
Tell me what you felt about.

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Both those screens just the
design of them.

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Again, good designs.
Where are they in other games

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this year?
Yeah, I mean the first one I

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think we had seen maybe once or
twice that that second one with

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that motion.
Yeah.

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I think that's maybe the first
time we've seen that all year.

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And, you know, again, I just
talked about it a little bit but

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I think That's some of the
problem.

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Like I love getting things,
getting the running backs

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involved in the passing game
here.

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I like screen out those.
I know some people out there and

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Hokie Nation like another screen
when screens work they fucking

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work.
Now the problem is that they're

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a often called at the wrong
Times by our coordinator and be

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we run the same three over and
over and don't incorporate some

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of this different motion.
Different looks different design

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to really Keep the defense
off-balance and show them

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something they haven't seen
before.

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So again, I'm not sure why we're
breaking all these, these things

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out against Duke other than it
being really.

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A must-win to not be the worst
team in the conference.

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So you know, we've at least
established that.

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Virginia Tech not the worst
team.

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In the ACC, not the worst team
in the ACC by far and it's

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because of guys like three
couple guys, we've mentioned in

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Tavia, John Robinson, and I tell
you, every time he gets his ball

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on the punt return, you just
feel like it's coming, you know,

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he had three yesterday, 73,
including a big 43-yarder that

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just put the field again.
It's a, it's a net punt.

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Nightmare, I'm going to the
first party at like 15 yards are

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like the 35-yard punt with the
15 yard return.

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Hey, maybe I'm getting anything
on that and then just, you know,

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overall for 478 Had the Fail
Mary where he was just short of

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the end zone called and some
other short, couple other short

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intermediate routes.
One was a really nice hook that

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Coldplay's later, we score a
touchdown and then an out route

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and just every week it seems
like his his his route tree gets

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bigger, he gets more confidence.
You know, where it looks like

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Trey Turner.
Is leaving next year.

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I think Tavian is going to
easily step and do the number

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one roll.
Yeah.

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And what he does he really can
line up all over the field.

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He's probably more of a natural
fit in the slot but he can line

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him up outside.
He's got the full complement of

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the route tree.
You mentioned the Fail.

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Mary.
Let's talk about that too.

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In a drive with just a little
bit.

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Why do we go hella conservative
in that situation?

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Then as soon as you bust 11
good, run y'all.

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Okay, well now now we wasted all
this time.

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Now, we need to hurry up again.
I'm not mad about that.

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Can I tell you what?
I'm mad about?

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What you mad about?
40 seconds left, we're at the

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47.
Yeah, we're about.

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We're about what?
10 10 yards from Romo?

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Give me a shot to kick it,
right?

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Yep.
We have three timeout 3, not 1,

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not 2.
We have all three it.

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Weird like, going down field or
going sideline routes.

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You can still run screens, you
can still run the ball.

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You can still take shots over
the middle of the field.

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We were acting like we nailed.
Why are we acting like we've got

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to either get a bunch of yards
or get out of bounds.

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Like neither of those are have
to use, well, you sit here and

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it just get it's it's it's
ineptitude because you should

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know.
I've got three timeouts.

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If we bring the tenure over the
middle, we burn one quick setup.

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And then I can sit there and And
so now we're at the 37, do the

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math?
That's about a 53-yard.

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ER, Romo's made their what,
which one the 51-yard of look

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good from 61 earlier this year?
Yeah, I know the wind was

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whipping yesterday and he played
into that first kick that he

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missed because he thought I was
going to bring tried to put, he

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tried to put that into the wind
and then the wind didn't do

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anything for him and in doing.
So the rest of them, he just

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ain't dead center and bang them
through.

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Yeah, but you get you get tenure
Parts timeout, let's get 10 more

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minutes.
Now you have 225 where you can

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legitimately take three shots at
the end zone or take one more

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shot and try to get 10 to 15
yards closer.

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It's just bad.
It's, it's just terrible play

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calling because your terrible
play, calling, terrible game

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management, everything
communication between the play

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caller, and the person that is
responsible for getting timeouts

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on the field.
Namely corn and Fuente and went

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they went they not telling him.
I have three timeouts.

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Your entire Playbook is open.
Yeah, I know you don't and

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that's part of like communicate.
Make sure your play caller is

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doing what you think needs to be
done because act buck stops with

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you buddy.
Yep. 100%.

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All right Ron.
Let's just talk about the last

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two receivers real quick.
Trey only had one catch Circus,

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catch, but I noticed on a few
other passing plays after that

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one, big Circus catch and then
targeting him.

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The safety was over top him.
The rest of the day he was doing

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was not getting any more single
man coverage and I think that

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helped open up it helped open up
the Run game and it helped open

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00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,600
up you know Thanks for guys.
Like Caleb Smith.

449
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,700
Who had one of his.
It wasn't to statistically big

450
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:47,800
but got caught a touchdown from
walk on to scholarship to

451
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,600
catching touchdowns from up
here, in Louisa County, big, big

452
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,700
play tray.
Let everybody else get the big

453
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,000
plays because they were scared
as hell of him and Caleb Smith

454
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,100
taking it home.
Yeah.

455
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,800
And I think Trey was just happy
to play that game.

456
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,900
Yeah.
If we're if we're being honest

457
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:09,000
with, like, knowing that It's
going to be his last game in

458
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Lane.
Just the fact he was able to go

459
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,200
out there and and finish the
game.

460
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,600
I think that was big for him and
shout and shout out to Trey

461
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,800
Turner like everything you could
want in a hokey.

462
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Yep.
So I mean great.

463
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600
Great career here.
So shout out to him on playing

464
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,500
his last home game as a hokey.
Can I say something about that?

465
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Yeah, buddy went up with his
kids and Trey.

466
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,700
Actually during the hook you all
came over and gave them all.

467
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,800
The five.
He's got a picture of it.

468
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:46,000
Just shows you hear me.
He is definitely a fans player.

469
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,100
Yep.
I am favorite like everything.

470
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,800
You want to put.
Put in that bucket.

471
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:55,000
That's the trade.
Turner is.

472
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,100
So shout out to Trey.
Great.

473
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,300
Great job and we've loved
watching you play here.

474
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:07,400
Is we have And then, Caleb tell
me.

475
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,500
You saw the give credits to
whoever was the producer for

476
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,900
that game yesterday when they
showed the Caleb Smith touchdown

477
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,400
because they had ran like in the
long run game where he was

478
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,200
blocking and then he released
and he went up field, two plays

479
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,400
later, they run the same play,
he's blocking to guide.

480
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
You sheds in like forgets about
on the safeties come up and it's

481
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,400
the same, we use the scenes
again that exists.

482
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:38,000
It exists.
Two times now, two times.

483
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Wow, yeah.
And I, you know, I like the that

484
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,800
we had to set up there, I liked
it.

485
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,700
We were getting inventive with
how we were going to get our

486
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:51,000
guys open in the passing game.
I just keep going back to.

487
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Where the hell is this Ben?
All right, don't know why?

488
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,500
We're, we're emptying the
playbook for Duke brought Brian.

489
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,000
Let's do it.
Brian has a juxtaposition.

490
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,300
Brian.
Is a little heated. so go ahead,

491
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,900
Brian and it's not just this
year things like every year

492
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:16,300
under this coaching staff, well,
it seems like every year we have

493
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,600
the bad game followed up by
something like this, right?

494
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:30,700
We've had, you know, pit and
then we follow that up.

495
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,000
We've got this game, we follow
it up.

496
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,500
I mean, I'm just I'm a little
confused that we last year.

497
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,900
We've had some gains very
similar to that the essentially

498
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,900
the entire month of November and
December.

499
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:48,900
Then we get Eva like Like, why
can't we?

500
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400
So essentially win the games
that we should win.

501
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,800
All the time.
Well Brian.

502
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Most of the time, right?
Go back.

503
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,100
Go back to the first year.
The lawsuit of Syracuse in the

504
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,500
dome.
Yeah, not like a one or two

505
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,000
point got just got smashed.
You know what that you remember?

506
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,800
What the next game was?
What was that with the Miami

507
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,100
game that first year?
Miami game, where we absolutely

508
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,200
curb stomp them?
Yeah, and let's talk about Miami

509
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,900
game.
That was the game after Duke in

510
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,400
2019 where we get blown out by
Duke and then we go out and

511
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,300
shock.
Miami.

512
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,100
Nobody gave us a chance and that
game.

513
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,000
No, not at all.
Not at all.

514
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:36,000
So it's just one of those weird
things where it's like, it's an

515
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,500
Mo of this coaching staff, just
like, we're going to have a

516
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,500
really bad game, like just bad
bad in all aspects.

517
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,500
Do some really screwed up
things.

518
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:52,700
Within the next week we're going
to make the fans us included.

519
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,500
Right?
Where, where, where was this?

520
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,900
This year?
We get to say, where was this

521
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:00,500
there in multiple games?
I just, where was this?

522
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:04,800
Last week even though we get a
direct correlation back to last

523
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,900
week.
So hopefully what's the feel is

524
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,900
it's not to more much more of
this Braun.

525
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Hopefully they can carry the
momentum to Miami which is going

526
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,800
to be a night game down at Miami
730, kick right. 738 CC Network

527
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,200
kick.
So good times on that Brian.

528
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Let's flip, let's talk about the
defense for a few minutes here

529
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
for we get a few more things,
popped up.

530
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,700
We About Gunnar Holmberg.
Daughter Holmberg ruled out the

531
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,200
last second root out, but fully
dress.

532
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,900
I'm guessing he was there
emergency emergency QB,

533
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,500
emergency quarterback.
If everybody was injured, they

534
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,100
will essentially, the guys, they
had the two other guys.

535
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:49,300
They had he would have came in
essentially good enough to play,

536
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:53,100
but not good enough, where you
felt like, he could go a full

537
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:58,900
game of getting pounded on.
So, smart - I mean it benefited

538
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:00,500
us.
I mean, definitely, they.

539
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
They took some of their teeth
out of the passing game.

540
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,200
Yep.
But of course, we was two more

541
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,300
athletic quarterbacks, right?
Whole bars?

542
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:12,699
They're like here.
Riley, Leonard's like here and

543
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:13,800
Morgan.
Finally King.

544
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,600
It's like here.
So it was clearly something,

545
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,199
where if he was dressed, he just
hadn't probably.

546
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,800
He probably hadn't done any of
the lead-up.

547
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,900
It probably just, and more
probably had just been Leonard

548
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,100
and that's Tire, you know,
credit to our credit though,

549
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,300
having those guys And we still
held them under a hundred yards

550
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:40,300
below their average.
Yeah.

551
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,900
Well, over a hundred yards below
their average.

552
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,800
And then on the money Downs,
they we show up again.

553
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,699
Unlike BC, there's back to the
juxtaposition, they were 5 for

554
00:34:50,707 --> 00:34:56,400
19, they were Dreadful on third,
and fourth downs, and it's why

555
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,800
we sort of dominated the game.
Yeah, definitely one of our

556
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,900
better defensive performances of
the year.

557
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,600
I put it at least in kind of the
top three there.

558
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:08,800
Nothing.
Nothing will really match what

559
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,600
we did Week, 1 against you and
see.

560
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,800
We really, really peaked early
defensively.

561
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,700
And it's been a kind of up and
down back half.

562
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:22,400
But this this was one of the the
better better games for us.

563
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,800
And it started with the guys
inside at the the linebacker

564
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:34,400
position Dax hollifield, Alan
Tisdale probably the overall

565
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
best games they've had.
You're definitely the best games

566
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,700
they've had in the in the month
of October and November.

567
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:47,400
Yeah, you know tackling well,
they attack has four laws.

568
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Have some sacks.
Tisdale was in there making some

569
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,800
making some noise to acts had
some, some key stops on some key

570
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,300
Downs.
So you love to see that d-line

571
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,100
got pressure all day, didn't
didn't really get to finish

572
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,300
those but they definitely put
the quarterbacks and some bad

573
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:07,300
spot.
It's some errant throws some

574
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:11,100
throws, you know, released
sooner than they were ready

575
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:16,000
off-target things like that.
Forced a lot of throws on the

576
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000
run and a lot of throws just
getting the rid of the ball

577
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,500
because they ran out of time.
Oh absolutely.

578
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,700
And the other thing both the
front half did altogether.

579
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,900
Mateo Durant was not a factor of
1,000 yard running back was no

580
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:35,000
Factor.
He only had ten carries and one

581
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
of the other running backs, we
did not mention the other week,

582
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,000
but Trent Davis was out there
more because he's more pass

583
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,300
catcher.
Yeah, so yeah they really had to

584
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,800
I had to go away from their game
plan and really with with the

585
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,100
quarterbacks they had in there,
they would have much preferred

586
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:54,700
to stick with a with a run first
offense and we got them out of

587
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:57,600
that real quick.
Oh yes we did.

588
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,500
But we guess we did now there
was one time near the end of the

589
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:06,100
game where they did get home
didn't derail Pollard in Taiwan

590
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,000
Garbutt.
Pollard gets the strip sack and

591
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
then Garbutt picks it up.
Runs it into the end zone.

592
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,700
The game was well, in hand at
that point, but that was, let's

593
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,400
just a great explanation point
that they were still playing

594
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,500
hard to the end.
Yeah.

595
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,300
And I like that this was even
though it didn't happen in the

596
00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:27,200
first half.
Like I wanted where we were Meg

597
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,600
aggressive in the two-minute
drill to from the jump.

598
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,500
Instead of, you know, once we
got one big play there, I like

599
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,400
that in the second half we
didn't take our foot off the gas

600
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,300
pedal.
That's been different than

601
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,400
really any other game.
I've seen this year, we weren't

602
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,500
content with just having a
double-digit lead.

603
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:49,900
We weren't just going to sit on
that.

604
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,800
We were going to keep going.
I think it might be the first

605
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,800
time all year I have to go back
and look but it feels like it's

606
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400
the first time all year second
half we scored more points in

607
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,200
first half.
Yeah, maybe a middle Tennessee.

608
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,800
Might have been the only other
one where made of Middle

609
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,500
Tennessee and that was mainly
because the first half was such

610
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:10,900
a downer.
Yeah.

611
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:15,000
West Virginia to, but the
Western, and I think the point

612
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
we're trying to make is we had
points on the board.

613
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,900
We had the game under control
instead of playing conservative

614
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,700
and kept attacking, kept
attacking, kept attacked those

615
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,900
other games were either closed
or where we were down going into

616
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:28,100
half.
Yeah.

617
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,800
Whereas in this case, we had a
pretty decent Lead, taking it to

618
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
the half and we said we're not
done.

619
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:35,900
All right?
Yep.

620
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:39,600
Only ask you one question.
More on what Jordan wore did

621
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,800
really near the end of the game?
I know we were rotating guys in

622
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,000
and out does it give you any
pause for concern with the Run

623
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,900
game of how he looked?
And I know the last two guys

624
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:54,700
with Van Dyken potentially
burning Armstrong aren't that.

625
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,800
But just in general, if we
start, if we keep this similar

626
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:05,300
defense going in 2022, I think
it'll be okay.

627
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:07,400
I think I think there's some
tweaks that still need to

628
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,100
happen.
I think the overall scheme is

629
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,900
still a work in progress.
I think we did see we have seen

630
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:17,400
overall progression from year
one to year two in this defense.

631
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,300
You know the question is going
to be is this going to be our

632
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:25,000
defense going into into next
year or not?

633
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,800
But When we talk about the next
two games though.

634
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:35,200
You know, we are looking at guys
that can run the football and

635
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,300
they both can throw the ball.
Assuming both of them are

636
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:43,100
playing in those games and
that's going to be the struggle,

637
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,100
right?
We have struggled with with guys

638
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,400
that even weren't the best
thrower.

639
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,300
If they could run in throw, even
if they were get the ball, more

640
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,800
down, feel like a Schrader we
struggled there.

641
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,400
So we'll see how that works out.
We know Armstrong is more of a

642
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,600
throw first player even though.
He is an athlete Van Dyke, a

643
00:40:04,607 --> 00:40:07,400
little bit of the same, right.
So they're both still throw

644
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,900
first where a Schrader was was
more of a run-and-gun deep type

645
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,100
type quarterback.
So we'll see if that plays more

646
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,000
into our defense has favored or
not.

647
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,100
But yeah, it's definitely
something to be concerned about

648
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,100
but we'll look into it.
I'm sure they'll have some new

649
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:28,400
wrinkles and adjustments to
counter some of what UVA in

650
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,900
Miami do absolutely.
Before we get, It into just one

651
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:36,500
more piece.
Why they throwing so many flags

652
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,100
on Jermaine wall?
Or for just playing defense, and

653
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,600
why is the Umpire get in the way
and then the back judge, don't

654
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,400
want to flag on it.
Yep.

655
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:50,600
That was the worst because the
the Umpire was in the way which

656
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,100
made the receiver, stop his
route.

657
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,600
Instead of diving for the
football, he stops his route and

658
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,100
that and Waller was already
essentially reading the play as

659
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,400
if he was going down for the
ball and now you got a receiver

660
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,400
that's like right up on you.
I don't like that.

661
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,300
You know, there was three flags
on and probably only one was

662
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,100
actually legitimately pass
interference.

663
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,000
What haven't been over hand
fighting?

664
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,900
And he literally it literally
the way it looked.

665
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:26,300
It was like at the last second,
his arm was extended right

666
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,200
before Bobo's was extended and
they throw it.

667
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,600
It's just like they're fighting,
that's not a flag.

668
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,300
Again, we talked about the ACC
officials.

669
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:38,900
We know they don't like to throw
the flags very much in the pie,

670
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:42,300
but when they do, it's very
inconsistent.

671
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,900
Austin, I think that's the
problem, you know?

672
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:46,500
If if you're not going to throw
it be consistent, if you're

673
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:51,100
going to throw it be consistent,
I don't care so much one way or

674
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,400
the other.
I just want you to be consistent

675
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,500
that way, you know.
Predictable outcomes, right?

676
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,200
Yeah.
Any shock to you how much he

677
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,600
covered by the being 65 220.
I mean, he's done.

678
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Well, have been against bigger
receivers in the past?

679
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,700
So I mean, I don't think that
was too shocking, he definitely

680
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,500
held Bobo.
In check.

681
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:18,200
Yeah.
In just three catches for a

682
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,000
little over 30 yards.
Yeah.

683
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,300
All those lower output games all
year reception and we know we

684
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,900
did they didn't have the best
best, quarterbacks pulling the

685
00:42:27,908 --> 00:42:31,200
trigger there, but at the same
time, you know, he held him in

686
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,300
check, even when he had time, he
was there in coverage, so Shout

687
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:43,100
out to Waller great game.
Continuing another great season

688
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,800
here for him.
Yes, he is.

689
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,000
All right, we're on before we
take a break and then come back

690
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
with some stuff you've been
digging up.

691
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,000
I wanted to kind of go over the
defensive rankings because okay,

692
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,500
I don't know if everybody looks
like it's something I followed,

693
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,800
but let's go ahead, scoring.
We are 32 in the country were

694
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,500
given up 21 game compared to
last year, Leaps and Bounds

695
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,700
better than we were last year
Leaps and Bounds.

696
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:20,700
Not even question, we are a top
15 passing defense but the run

697
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:25,200
defense is still struggling over
103 yards or excuse me, 130

698
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:32,200
You're over 186 yards, the Red
Zone D, still struggling at 99

699
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:34,500
but there is something I
noticed.

700
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,900
And I know you've been talking
about this with the new scheme

701
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:41,900
where in how many, how many Red
Zone trips?

702
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:43,400
Do you think we've had this
year?

703
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,100
I'm not safe.
You, I'd say significantly fewer

704
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,100
than last year.
It is.

705
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:55,600
It's only 23.
And and the numbers are getting

706
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,100
a little bit.
Better 17 touchdowns to six

707
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,300
field goals, but only 23 trips
where, when I was digging

708
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,700
through the data, there are
teams that are like UVA, has

709
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,700
over forty four trips into the
Red Zone against them.

710
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,000
Over forty four trips and
they're giving up like 75% of

711
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,100
the time, the score and they're
ranked higher than us.

712
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:20,900
But it's also like but you've
also let teams get double the

713
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:25,600
times into the 20-yard line that
says something because if

714
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,800
they're getting down and you're
scoring and they're scoring as

715
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,200
75% clip and the other we're
only we're giving up 80 but

716
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,500
you're only getting there two
times a game, it helps.

717
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,900
Total Defense, 60.
Where would you give them a

718
00:44:40,908 --> 00:44:45,200
grade right now?
Defense in general.

719
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,200
I'd say it's somewhere in that
b-minus c-plus range.

720
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,500
I'd probably go see.
Plus, I'd like to see the Red

721
00:44:54,500 --> 00:45:00,800
Zone improve in terms of stops
and especially forcing the feel.

722
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,700
I, we definitely need Force more
field goals, you know, you're

723
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,800
rarely going to give get a ton
of true stops there, but we need

724
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,300
to definitely be closer to that,
you know, 65 70 percent in terms

725
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:20,500
of force and field goals there.
Now when we talk about the

726
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,700
running, the rush defense that
that's concerning but we have

727
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,600
done a good job of stopping the
bleeding throughout drives.

728
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,300
A lot of the big gains are
coming early in the drive and

729
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,900
then we're settling in and then
getting off the field.

730
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,100
You know, the problem is that
when they do get in the Red Zone

731
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,500
that's when the rush defense
should be bowing up a little bit

732
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:48,500
and it hasn't Yeah, so I think I
think that's that's more

733
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:52,100
concerning than necessarily.
The fact that they're getting a

734
00:45:52,107 --> 00:45:57,700
bunch of yards there.
And we really only had what like

735
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,400
to to bad defense leg bad
defensive games.

736
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:08,700
Yeah, Syracuse and Syracuse and
Notre Dame with the too bad

737
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,600
defensive games.
Yeah, Notre Dame, it was really,

738
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,200
it was like a it was like the be
- game until the end of the game

739
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,300
and then it was the f - it went
from like Hey we're doing okay,

740
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,700
too.
What do we just put on the field

741
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:29,400
for two drives at the end of the
game?

742
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,600
Yeah, so you had you had two bad
games.

743
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,700
You had to and games like pit
pit probably goes in that

744
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:42,000
category you share.
I mean pit was scored over 50.

745
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,300
We home to 28 it's a a game
because the offense just

746
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,700
couldn't do anything.
I'm talking about the rush

747
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:49,600
defense.
Oh yeah, yeah, right Stephen's.

748
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,200
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my bad
man.

749
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,300
Yeah.
Yeah, they shouldn't be able to

750
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:54,600
run the ball like that against
us.

751
00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:00,500
Got it.
Now they held Kenny Pickett as

752
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,400
much in.
Check is pretty much any defense

753
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,200
has this year, but we gave up
too many yards in the Run game.

754
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,100
Couldn't stop.
Couldn't set the edge.

755
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,900
Well, outside containing the
running game was awful extended

756
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:17,700
drives when it shouldn't have.
So that was the problem that

757
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,300
game but like I said, I'd
probably go see plus B, minus

758
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,600
range overall, definitely the
strength of the team outside of

759
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,600
special teams this year.
And we finally had a couple

760
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,700
games in here in the last few
weeks where, you know, offense

761
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,300
and defense showed up a little
bit at the same time, especially

762
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,300
against Duke.
Finally looks like four

763
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:43,300
quarters.
Yeah, both sides of the ball

764
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,500
doing pretty well.
Closed.

765
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:48,800
In the Georgia Tech game about
1/4 was all for the offense at

766
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Georgia Tech was that way too.
And, you know what?

767
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,300
The next two games were going to
need it.

768
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:56,000
We're going to need eight
quarters of everybody being on

769
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,600
the same page.
Just Just to get to a bowl game

770
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,000
and to get to a bowl game for
these kids who did not get one

771
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,600
last year as there is some
normalcy this year, you're going

772
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,300
to probably see bowls or
probably going to get to go

773
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:09,800
early.
There's gonna be some protocols

774
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,400
but you hope we can.
I want to pull both out.

775
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,400
And then like watch chaos happen
and we like make the ACC

776
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,500
Championship game and would have
to say we go shoot, what do we

777
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:23,300
do?
What do we do?

778
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:24,100
What do we do?
What do we do?

779
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,000
What do we do?
What do we do?

780
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,900
It'll be in.
Yeah, yeah, foresee that

781
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:32,000
happening but yeah, only it
could still happen.

782
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,400
I definitely want to see us.
I definitely want to see us win

783
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,800
out here, regardless of what
happens on that front because

784
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,000
both of these games are rivalry
games, both of these games

785
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,100
matter on the recruiting Trail.
There's there's a lot riding on

786
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,300
this.
That has nothing to do with,

787
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:51,200
who's the head coach next year,
100%, 100%.

788
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600
All right.
Brian, before we get into

789
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:55,900
another topic tonight.
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00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,800
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Now back to the episode Alright

799
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,400
guys, what we're looking at
tonight in kind of a discussion,

800
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,700
everybody might McDaniels over
at sons of Saturday and hokey

801
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:38,400
hangover podcast.
Released a tweet this week,

802
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,500
talking about sport Eco in their
College Athletic Department

803
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:47,200
financial data base.
I thought I picked at it.

804
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:52,600
But the big guy out of here.
What are they saying?

805
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:58,200
I went down the rabbit hole for
multiple days.

806
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:02,800
Yeah.
Brian, I'm going to just assume

807
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,500
that you looked a lot of VT.
I looked a lot at Virginia Tech.

808
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:11,000
Absolutely that's where I
started and then I started

809
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,600
looking at other ACC teams and
then comp teams and other

810
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:26,600
conferences all right, so I mean
are we 1 to 10?

811
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,300
Where we bring?
Let's do that first one to 10.

812
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,800
Are we terrible or we average
and we slightly above average or

813
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,900
what would you say?
So we're kind of in the bottom

814
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:42,600
end and overall Revenue in the
ACC that probably shouldn't

815
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,800
shouldn't shocky that many
people.

816
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,000
But when you look, I think it's,
when you look at the breakdowns

817
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,100
that's where some of the story
gets told.

818
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:53,300
So I'm gonna throw something up
real.

819
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Quick here for the folks
watching just to give you an

820
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,300
idea of what we're looking at,
what I was looking at.

821
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:05,400
And so this is the, can I say
one thing down?

822
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,400
Yes, he one thing, if you're
listening to this on the podcast

823
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,700
on on tomorrow Tuesday or
Wednesday at about 52 minutes.

824
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,100
If you go to our YouTube page,
you'll be able to see the

825
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,900
documents primers are bringing
up.

826
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Yep.
So What?

827
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,800
Right now I'm just we're
focusing on revenues here,

828
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:32,900
obviously expenses matter, but I
was more curious about money

829
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,400
coming in.
Then I was about, you know what,

830
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,200
it's getting spent on.
So like I said, we got, we got

831
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,600
the chart here, you know, breaks
it down by different buckets of

832
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,800
where the revenues coming from.
It breaks it down over, on the

833
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:55,300
left hand, side of the chart of
you know where What sport or in

834
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,900
this, in this case, also
nonspecific not sport-specific.

835
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:02,200
So, like just a general
scholarship type situation where

836
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,800
that money is being spent or
where that money's allocated to,

837
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,200
in terms of the budget.
And there's there's several

838
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,300
takeaways here.
So I'm going to go ahead and pop

839
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,800
this off your and just start
talking a little bit more here.

840
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,700
So let's start with Virginia
Tech's numbers, and I'm going to

841
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:22,100
break this into good bad and
ugly.

842
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,000
We're going Spaghetti spaghetti
western here always.

843
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:35,900
So we'll start with the good.
We are better than every other

844
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:39,100
ACC team in terms of media
rights.

845
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,800
And that's that's based on
obviously this is just public

846
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:44,700
schools because it's just public
data.

847
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,100
So we don't have Wake Forest
numbers.

848
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:50,100
We don't have Miami numbers.
We don't have pit numbers.

849
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,400
We don't have BC numbers, we
don't have sit there.

850
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,700
There's a, it's not yet.
It is not public.

851
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:59,000
Well, I do know.
Yep.

852
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,200
So no wake, no Duke.
So there's a lot of numbers that

853
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,200
we don't have probably half the
ACC that we don't have, but in

854
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,700
terms of the ones we do, we're
at the top and meteorites

855
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,100
overall.
So across all sports, why do you

856
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,900
think it is?
I mean that that like I think

857
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:25,000
meteorites I think well good
Lord, where we're down, tucked

858
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,400
in Southwest Virginia where
someone like Simpson is notes,

859
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,200
north of Greenville, South of
Charlotte.

860
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,600
You think, you know, UVA
Charlottesville is a pretty good

861
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,800
metro area only in about, you
know, an hour west of Richmond.

862
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,800
Why do you think we're one of
the better media deals?

863
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,700
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I don't know if that has

864
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:51,300
something to do with the ACC
Network having a studio in lane

865
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:54,000
or any other factor, that that's
related to that.

866
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,100
But we do better than every
other school.

867
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,800
In the ACC public wise in terms
of those meteorites.

868
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,300
And that's taking into account
that the ACC media deal is

869
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:12,600
absolutely the worst.
In all the power 5, even Pac-12

870
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,800
is your average school has a
little is generating more

871
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,300
revenue and meteorites than your
average ACC schools.

872
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:23,900
So if we can get that worked
out, that bucket is going to go

873
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:26,600
up across the board.
So it'll go for Virginia Tech as

874
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,300
well.
And you know, it starts with

875
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,800
getting Comcast on board, with
the ACC Network, it starts with

876
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:38,300
better deal in terms of the
actual Financial figures per

877
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:47,200
School in the deal overall.
So that's the good, the bad, the

878
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,400
bad while, not the bottom of the
conference, in terms of

879
00:54:51,408 --> 00:54:55,000
donations, we are behind key
competitors.

880
00:54:56,100 --> 00:55:00,100
We are behind UVA.
Clemson FSU Louisville.

881
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,800
And we're pretty much squared up
with UNC and that's again,

882
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,400
that's donations across all
sports.

883
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,500
So we're not just looking at
football, we're looking at

884
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:12,600
across all sports.
We're a shade better in

885
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:18,200
football, then then we are in
overall, but it's not, it's

886
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,000
negligible this.
Now let's say that this is 1920,

887
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,100
right?
This is 1920.

888
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,600
Yes, they don't have the the
fiscal information for the last

889
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,900
Last calendar year.
Yeah, we're getting scooped onto

890
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:33,800
gifted.
Yeah, yeah.

891
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:38,000
Well so and I know donations
have been trending up.

892
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,400
So we might be, we may be firmly
ahead of UNC, although UNC has

893
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,300
been on a big donation, push as
well so they may have matched us

894
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:50,200
there with some of the things
Mac has been doing.

895
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,100
Even though it hasn't translated
to wins like they like on the

896
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:57,000
field, but they have been making
a big push in recruiting and

897
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,400
that tends to help.
With donations and things like

898
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,100
that.
So more than likely, we're

899
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:06,900
probably pretty, pretty squared
up with you and see still, but

900
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:10,300
having UVA and obviously
Louisville most of thats

901
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:14,400
basketball.
Yeah, they're not doing a whole

902
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,300
lot on the football front, that
that's the team that we just we

903
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:22,000
jump UVA, and, and Louisville.
When you just look at football

904
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,600
donations, okay, but overall,
we're lagging behind where

905
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,800
Almost 10 million behind
Louisville, in overall donations

906
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,900
and eight million behind.
Sorry, seven million behind UVA

907
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,100
and overall donations.
But the whole thing about

908
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,700
thinking over all donations
Brian, isn't it?

909
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,800
If their overall donating more
money to whatever sport Football

910
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,900
is the biggest pie.
So if there's some booster and

911
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:54,300
UVA getting two million to the
basketball program, the two

912
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,600
million that might come out of
the big media rights deal for

913
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,200
football.
We don't have to pay that over

914
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,300
there boosters taken care of it
with the big donation, right?

915
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:06,400
Yeah.
And when we looked at the chart

916
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,400
earlier, I've been the majority
of our donations or non

917
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,500
sport-specific so that's getting
divvied up on some degree of

918
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:17,000
percentage rate and that's
driving me five that's the drive

919
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,100
for 45 campaign.
Yeah.

920
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:21,600
And Clemson had a very similar
thing where they weren't

921
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,500
crushing Us in football
donations.

922
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,700
But if Tey it, we're going to
get to that in a second is like

923
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:34,100
out of the fucking ball park.
So now let's get to the ugly.

924
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:39,500
This is the one that I again I
need to look into more of where

925
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:44,300
Where this is going and what
we're doing.

926
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:51,100
But Licensing and ads.
We are behind pretty much

927
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:54,300
everyone in the ACC and the rest
of power 5.

928
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,800
We are ungodly low in this
bucket.

929
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Like we're just over two
million, most of the rest of the

930
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,000
ACC is eight million and up.
So I'm not sure.

931
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:13,100
Yeah, I'm not sure what we are
not doing or doing wrong in

932
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:18,700
this, this sector.
But that that is the biggest

933
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:24,100
area that we are lagging behind.
Even the bottom feeders in the

934
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:30,900
ACC in terms of Revenue?
Well, that mean to me, I would

935
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:34,500
say here that my first thought
is what we're in, Southwest

936
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,000
Virginia.
The biggest Metro city is

937
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,200
rolling up, north the other big
metros that we have so much.

938
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,500
Relationship with our hours upon
hours away.

939
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,200
Yeah.
And there's also, there's also

940
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:57,900
other institutions that Our kind
of home basis for for those

941
00:58:57,900 --> 00:58:59,300
schools as well.
Right?

942
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,500
Well, it's true.
Car loan going off.

943
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:09,700
One moment.
Not my car alarm.

944
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:14,100
There we go.
Probably somebody sitting on a

945
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,200
key in their living rooms Show.
Ladies and Gentlemen, live show

946
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,800
what happens on but I think
we're it may show a real concern

947
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,500
is DC is one of the biggest
alumni markets.

948
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,300
Yep.
There's opportunity there

949
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:39,100
Charlotte Atlanta Richmond, the
75 and the beach Area.

950
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Raleigh Winston-Salem you have
these Pockets where there are a

951
00:59:43,607 --> 00:59:49,500
ton of alumni?
Why aren't we attempting to get

952
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,000
some licensing and ads in those
areas?

953
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,300
Where there's something there to
sell.

954
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:58,700
Yeah, I don't know if this is
just the Classic VT running, the

955
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:00,900
mom and pop organization on the
financial side.

956
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:05,300
In some cases where, you know,
we become mature in some areas

957
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:10,300
of that and then others still
seem like they're stuck in, you

958
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:14,500
know, the late 90s in terms of
how they go about the business.

959
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:18,100
So I don't know if it's more of
a combination of that or what

960
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:21,400
but that is that's where we are
giving up the most ground to

961
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,900
everyone else in our Yeah, and
because this looks not enough,

962
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:28,000
is it?
It's not enough for the

963
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,600
meteorites to compensate know,
so, just because we're tops in

964
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,400
meteorites, that's not
compensating for that drop off

965
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:41,900
and then, you know, donations
are only, you know, like we

966
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,200
said, middle-of-the-road
overall.

967
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,600
So they're not bad, they're not
hurting us, but they're not

968
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,500
acting as a benefit and when you
talk about not just in the

969
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:56,400
conference but when you Look at
all of power 5, you know, when

970
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,500
you're competing against those
schools, especially ones that

971
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:03,800
have those better media deals
donations become a bigger role

972
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,400
because they are something that
if you get the right motivation,

973
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:11,700
is easier to start stacking in
the bucket, right?

974
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,800
So, that's where we talked about
donations and saying donations,

975
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,900
e to improve.
Yeah, that's the easiest to

976
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,500
improve.
So that's why it's pushed.

977
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:28,900
But so one of the thing I did
was look at some other schools

978
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:32,200
that we compare against and the
one I kept landing on based in

979
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,900
this was mostly based on kind of
historical, at least recent

980
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:40,400
history of the success of the
programs and the overall alumni

981
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,600
base, they're very similar.
So that's Michigan State

982
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,300
University.
And in terms of donations,

983
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,900
pretty much right on the same
ballpark as Virginia Tech in

984
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:57,100
terms of the the The revenue in
the 1920 year for donations

985
01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:01,800
right at the 21 and a half
million range, okay.

986
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,800
But, but they are kicking our
butts in the in the one area we

987
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,800
suffer in and actually in also
in the area that we are best in.

988
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,100
So this this shows you how much
better the Big Ten deal is than

989
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:22,800
the ACC meteorites for Michigan
State University.

990
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:27,500
Are 16 million higher.
So they are in the 44 million

991
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,500
and change range.
Good gracious.

992
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:35,100
Yeah.
Then you've got licensing ads.

993
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:41,100
They are 16 and a half million
so they are 14 million higher

994
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:47,000
than Virginia Tech in that one.
Budgetary bucket.

995
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:53,900
And those are the two buckets
where if you sum up, is actually

996
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:57,200
making up the difference between
our overall revenues because the

997
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,700
overall Revenue difference is
just over 30 million Virginia

998
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:06,000
Tech just under 100 million in
Michigan State, just over 130

999
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,900
million.
So those two areas the

1000
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:11,900
meteorites in the licensing and
ads are where the big

1001
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:15,400
differences.
Well, you're saying 30 overall

1002
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,300
and I'm just pulling this up
here, Brian.

1003
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:21,000
Now, if you want to pull it up
on the screen, Their total

1004
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:27,300
revenues 130 million, that's it
saying, because if you think

1005
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:31,000
about where he and I'm, and I'm
going back and I'm, as you were

1006
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,000
saying all this, I'm pulling up
a map here about where East

1007
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,300
Lansing Michigan is East
Lansing.

1008
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,200
Michigan is about two hours West
of Detroit.

1009
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:45,000
They're not Ann Arbor is
literally 45 minutes outside.

1010
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,900
We're Michigan is so that
license in hand Revenue?

1011
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:54,400
Says a lot to me because I don't
know.

1012
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,900
They're not in a super rural
Grand Rapids has a couple hours

1013
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:03,500
West they are there more in a I
don't know what you'd call it

1014
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:08,100
may be greater metro area where
you're going to hit CDs here and

1015
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:11,900
there.
But to have that sort of like,

1016
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:17,500
as in an ads, concerns me, can
you pull up and tell me just

1017
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:20,900
what the license and and
football are Because I want to

1018
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,700
see the difference there because
I mean, obviously, Michigan.

1019
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:26,500
State has is a Michigan State.
Basketball has been on the map

1020
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:29,100
for 25 years.
What's the difference in

1021
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:35,700
licensing?
Ad for football compared to So

1022
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:37,500
for Virginia Tech.
Yeah.

1023
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,500
Alright, let's let's take a look
here.

1024
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:52,300
So, football is essentially a
little over half of that total,

1025
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,300
most of it.
Most of the rest goes into non

1026
01:04:56,300 --> 01:05:00,200
sport-specific, so I'm guessing
just general licensing of

1027
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:06,100
apparel and things like that.
Okay, so you like the other

1028
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:09,700
sport specific.
So like, if you would go out

1029
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:14,000
there and harshly, push the 1999
jerseys or some of the Pro

1030
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,300
Combat Uniforms from, Mid 2000's
or the early 2010's.

1031
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,600
So, in Michigan state has a very
classic uniform, right?

1032
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,700
You don't see them, go crazy all
of a sudden.

1033
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,000
Yeah, but they come sit here.
Thinking are we missing the

1034
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,800
opportunities there?
Where they're not.

1035
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:37,300
It's possible.
I I don't again they they don't

1036
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:42,800
separate this out ads versus
licensing so I'm not sure what

1037
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,400
what Michigan state is doing.
Well that we're not doing I just

1038
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,900
know that we're not doing doing
this to any degree that any

1039
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:53,500
other power 5 school is.
So I don't think just geographic

1040
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:57,500
region has anything to do with
the hindrance there because

1041
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,600
there are other schools that
have a similar.

1042
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:08,300
You know, Geographic footprint
that are doing much better.

1043
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Yeah.
And I like the way Braun because

1044
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,600
I can see the next two bronze.
I'm talking about here.

1045
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:15,900
I like the way you pulled one
out of another conference

1046
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:20,500
because when we think Michigan
State football, we are kind of

1047
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:22,400
on equals with them 20 years
ago.

1048
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,200
We were well ahead of them. 15
years ago, we were home in years

1049
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,400
ago.
We were well ahead of them.

1050
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,800
Five years ago is when you know
they made the playoffs, they've

1051
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,500
been more of a power than what
we've been.

1052
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,300
And I also think if you know,
you think about Michigan State

1053
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:44,000
University, you know land-grant
school right down at about the

1054
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:52,000
same time back in the 1870s.
So age-wise, same age, same type

1055
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,800
donor base, so, you know and
like I said, overall alumni base

1056
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,600
is about the same.
They're a little A bit heavier

1057
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,900
and donations or like I said a
pretty much flat.

1058
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:04,100
I think actually Virginia Tech
has a small overall advantage in

1059
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:06,900
donations, compared to Michigan
State.

1060
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,500
But again, they're making up for
that in those meteorites and

1061
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:15,500
Licensing and ads and then some,
but let's go ahead and turn back

1062
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:17,500
to the ACC.
And we're going to look at the

1063
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:21,700
obvious.
One here, Clemson and right off

1064
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:23,900
the bat, this one shot me.
I know what shocked you when I

1065
01:07:23,908 --> 01:07:25,900
put it on the, on the screen
there yet.

1066
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,300
Ginny attack. + 10 million on
Clemson in meteorites.

1067
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:37,000
Well, I can't explain that one.
They're close to made Metro

1068
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,800
areas there a Big Brand right
now.

1069
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:44,800
They're a Big Brand where you
think they could be selling

1070
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,000
things in these meteorites for
so many different other

1071
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,500
opportunity.
Good Lord, a Disney movie made,

1072
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:57,100
ya know that get some distance
and again this is 1920 so that

1073
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:00,300
would probably be in either.
Last year's numbers are going

1074
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:04,200
into next year's numbers but in
general.

1075
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,000
Yeah in general you would think
Clemson has has been in a

1076
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,200
situation where there meteorites
would be at least Least in the

1077
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,100
ballpark of Virginia Tech,
right?

1078
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,399
But they're not now football
those numbers are pretty even

1079
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,100
and actually Virginia Tech still
has a small Advantage there but

1080
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,600
but more or less.
They're even there.

1081
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,000
They're losing the ground in the
other sorts.

1082
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:30,000
Well, which kind of makes sense.
Yeah, we've all heard about the

1083
01:08:30,008 --> 01:08:33,100
donations in that campaign.
How much is that plus minus or

1084
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:34,899
Plus?
All right.

1085
01:08:34,899 --> 01:08:39,300
So the difference between
Clemson and really any other

1086
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:43,500
school is that they make up for
it in two areas and the biggest

1087
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:46,200
one is donations where they
double us up.

1088
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,100
So how much is a number?
They are at 44 million in

1089
01:08:55,100 --> 01:09:02,000
donations that in most of that
is the non sport-specific.

1090
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:08,899
Ipped a fundraising drive that
they have ran up to great

1091
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:14,000
success.
And like I said, doubling up,

1092
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,800
Virginia Tech in that bucket is
significant, but they're also

1093
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,000
plus 10 million in licensing and
ads.

1094
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,600
So they're at that kind of 12
and a half million range.

1095
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:27,899
They also do something that not
every public ACC institution

1096
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:31,700
does and they actually have a
significant direct institutional

1097
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:37,200
support where they give five
million directly to their

1098
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,100
athletic department in direct
institutional support, whereas

1099
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,600
Virginia Tech It is in the like
bear, like 2,000.

1100
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:50,200
It's a very small figure wasn't
the president of that school.

1101
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:57,400
Made the decision back a few
years ago that they were going

1102
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,200
to go all in.
It's out like by giving five to

1103
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,900
six million dollars.
It helps, right.

1104
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,000
Yeah.
The only other school that gives

1105
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,100
direct more as FSU in terms of
the publicly available

1106
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,500
information.
Okay, not helping them a lot

1107
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:17,700
now, but still it's a good.
But notes here here's the ones

1108
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:22,600
that Here's the one I want to
talk about, let's I want to look

1109
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,800
at the donations, the direct
institutional support.

1110
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:27,900
You got to have a president that
will in the write.

1111
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:34,300
Those checks, out of the out of
certain funds, to say here's 10

1112
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:42,700
million, the life incentive that
things, you know, makes sense,

1113
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:45,400
right?
Last ten years, they won

1114
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:50,500
multiple national titles, tons
of NFL players, then you can go

1115
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:52,900
actually go.
But here's the thing.

1116
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:55,300
The brand is out there.
Yes, yes.

1117
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,100
The brand somewhat cells Excel
itself.

1118
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:02,800
Yeah, here's the thing where I
think Virginia Tech has to

1119
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,700
figure out what it's doing
wrong.

1120
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:07,900
You know, the difference between
the amount of living alumni for

1121
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:11,600
both schools, it's pretty
significant.

1122
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:14,900
It is Clemson's.
And about 150,000 Virginia

1123
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:19,700
Tech's, it almost 240,000 and is
on the little that is ninety

1124
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:22,600
thousand more give or take
alumni.

1125
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,300
Now a thousand more people, you
can attempt to reach out to to

1126
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:29,700
get funding from.
And again why did they start to

1127
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:34,700
drive for 25 this because if you
can get just do the math for on

1128
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:38,400
if every single Virginia Tech
Alumni.

1129
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,600
Actually, you know what?
Let's go 80%.

1130
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:44,800
Yep.
You know, go 80% and say if a

1131
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:52,000
You know, 175,000 simply gave
$25 a year.

1132
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,500
Minimum, it's like a four
million dollar thing.

1133
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:00,500
That's not counting.
Your big donors is not counting

1134
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:03,700
people.
Giving more now on, that's 25 a

1135
01:12:03,708 --> 01:12:05,100
year.
Now, if you said they're going

1136
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:12,200
to do a 25 every month, I mean
roof through the roof.

1137
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:18,600
Um, you essentially at like, 150
175 thousand 170,000 people

1138
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,600
you're looking at like 50
million It's three hundred

1139
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,700
dollars a year.
And you don't know everybody

1140
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:32,300
situation but if to push the
donation thing, the 25 was kind

1141
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:35,500
of an ingenious move to me.
You get people gone and they

1142
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:40,200
give 25.
And then you say, you know, can

1143
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,000
you give 25 every month?
A lot of people will say, yeah,

1144
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,200
right.
Yeah, almost.

1145
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:51,700
I mean, I don't think there's
anyone that can say, unless they

1146
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:55,000
are just so fed up with the
direction of a program or the

1147
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,100
athletic department, as a whole,
that they wouldn't give $25 a

1148
01:12:58,108 --> 01:12:59,900
year.
Yep.

1149
01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:06,000
I mean and then once you get $25
a year, all right, well now 50

1150
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:10,000
do too much even if you don't do
that, you get 25 every time,

1151
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,000
there's a seasonal fundraising
event.

1152
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,000
Yep.
You know, you get the, the ones

1153
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,300
that kind of come either,
whether it's giving day, whether

1154
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:21,100
it's, you know, the stuff during
the season.

1155
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:25,600
Whether it's a specific campaign
within basketball season or

1156
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,800
football season, you get like
five or six of those,

1157
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:32,500
opportunities in a given
calendar year for fiscal year, I

1158
01:13:32,508 --> 01:13:37,700
should say and, you know, now
they start giving 25 every time

1159
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:44,600
they're, you know, now that
starting to build so, It's a

1160
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,700
good campaign.
I'm hoping that we started

1161
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:51,200
seeing more and more
participation because I think

1162
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,300
the problem now isn't isn't the
dollars.

1163
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:55,700
It's the, it's the
participation.

1164
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:58,600
If we can get participation to
be a little bit closer to the

1165
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,300
goal.
Yeah, then I think you'll start

1166
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:03,400
seeing, you know, and I'm not
saying we're going to get to

1167
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,300
Clemson numbers, but I think we
can match.

1168
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:07,500
UVA numbers.
We just we're about to talk

1169
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:09,100
about now.
What's good?

1170
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:15,600
So we found from the UVA crowd.
Yeah, so The Big Chill again.

1171
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,400
Let's talk about is similar to
its not to the degree of

1172
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,800
Clemson, but it's very much in
the same.

1173
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:26,700
Same vein.
We are behind six and a half

1174
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:32,400
million in donations to UVA
there in the the 27 and change

1175
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:38,200
million category there so we're
giving up some ground to UVA

1176
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,800
there.
A lot of that isn't football,

1177
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,300
some of that is basketball.
Some of that is just general

1178
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:46,500
donations.
But it's still something we're

1179
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:51,600
lagging behind a department that
we consider ourselves to be

1180
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,900
better, then especially in
football and more recently

1181
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,100
catching them in overall
athletic prowess.

1182
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,400
So let's talk about the other
piece of it.

1183
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,900
So we've talked about lagging
behind license tags, add that's

1184
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:10,600
been across the board.
We're behind eight million.

1185
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:17,800
Compared to UVA placing ads.
What exactly are they publishing

1186
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,200
out there?
That people are?

1187
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:24,300
You know I'm guessing it's going
to be the basketball stuff.

1188
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:26,200
That's the only thing I can
think of.

1189
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:35,100
I can't imagine anything else
and I guess maybe.

1190
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:38,600
I mean, they have a lot of
sports that they play at a high

1191
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,000
level, right.
Route.

1192
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,500
So so yeah.
They have a strong top to bottom

1193
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:47,200
athletic department even though
their football has legs

1194
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,700
significantly behind overall, 15
years.

1195
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
Yeah, TV years.
Yeah.

1196
01:15:53,000 --> 01:16:00,600
So, I still don't get why we're
struggling, like I would, I

1197
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,200
don't have a problem that we're
behind in it.

1198
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,300
I have a problem.
How far we were behind it.

1199
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,000
Yeah, yeah.
Excellent.

1200
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,100
Well for them, for UVA as far as
don't know, Nations, never upset

1201
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:13,600
me because there's always been
stories.

1202
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,500
They've had three or four and
large donors that love the

1203
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:19,500
athletic that they're not
stroking 1 million dollar checks

1204
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:23,600
their stroking, 10 million
dollar checks and of guys

1205
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,100
stroking that every year because
he's got the excess cash.

1206
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:28,200
Josh.
That's tough to catch up.

1207
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:31,300
Clemson, did it the other way?
Clemson went volume.

1208
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:33,700
We're going to get as many
people involved in as much money

1209
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:38,200
along big donors.
Again the license in an ad I

1210
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,200
just don't get it.
Do you talk about the basketball

1211
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:45,000
program?
You know, it seems to me and you

1212
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,400
said it before and we've heard
it before.

1213
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,400
It is the Mom and Pops
organization, that's running the

1214
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,700
donations, and that's running
things like that.

1215
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,600
It's not the donations.
The like, you can't do that.

1216
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,600
Pull up, pull up.
Pull up the screen, one more

1217
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,700
time run.
Just just just so everybody can

1218
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:11,600
realize this Scroll down just a
little bit so we can see total

1219
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,100
revenues no no revenues uh my
bad.

1220
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:18,000
We're a hundred million dollar
athletic.

1221
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,400
We are 100 million dollar
business.

1222
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,200
A hundred million dollars.
I'm in the insurance business.

1223
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,400
I see many businesses every day
that do not have that sort of

1224
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:36,000
gross income.
So what this tells me is,

1225
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:41,200
They've got to spend more money
on operations, more people,

1226
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:46,400
updating it you said it earlier
on, it's not the 1990 still you

1227
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,600
cannot recruit and we've had
several conversations on this,

1228
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,800
you know, on this podcast before
about it.

1229
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,700
Yeah.
And I don't think what we're

1230
01:17:55,700 --> 01:17:58,200
saying I'm not I'm not saying I
know Curtis isn't saying that

1231
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,000
either.
We're not saying if financials

1232
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,100
improved so we'll product It's a
piece of the pie, it's not the

1233
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:06,600
whole puzzle.
No, it's not.

1234
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,700
There's a lot of things that
have to improve recruiting

1235
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,400
overall, not just the investment
in recruiting, but you got to

1236
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,600
get better at recruiting and
closing.

1237
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:18,000
Yep.
You got to get better on in-game

1238
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,100
adjustments, you.
I mean, there's there's a lot of

1239
01:18:20,108 --> 01:18:24,200
things that are related to the
coaching staff directly that

1240
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,700
still need to be fixed, but if
you want to set up anyone for

1241
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:31,400
Success, finances have to get
better.

1242
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:34,700
And you know what we talked
about It last week to Brian,

1243
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:39,300
give wit credit where we are
financially from where when he

1244
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:42,300
came in after Jim Weaver, we're
well ahead.

1245
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,300
We talked about it last week.
Remember, and you sit and you

1246
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:49,700
said specifically and this was
before this reporting came out,

1247
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:53,400
we're better financially than
what we were six years or seven

1248
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:58,700
years ago and that's big.
We can be better though and I

1249
01:18:58,700 --> 01:19:03,600
think now that, you know,
obviously the next tires Big and

1250
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:10,400
football for with very big and
when he's going through that

1251
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,700
interview, I think, if you have
someone from the marketing

1252
01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:15,400
department, talking to him,
right?

1253
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:17,600
Like listen let you know, we
want a great football coach.

1254
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,500
We want a guy who's can get can
motivate the kids can recruit.

1255
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:25,100
But we also want somebody out
there that can sell the program,

1256
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:30,000
they can sell the program, sell
the program, get the donors,

1257
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
make the donors, happy and some
of that's, you know, or feel

1258
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,000
proud.
Well, the dogs, but some of that

1259
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,800
is talking to the donors
conversations with the donors

1260
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:40,900
access.
Like, there's so many things

1261
01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:45,800
that this this regime has not
done well that effect held

1262
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,700
owners are willing to hand over
their funds.

1263
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:53,500
But after seeing this tonight to
Brian the licensing and adds,

1264
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,500
yeah, if you have something
that's something that doesn't

1265
01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:59,200
really.
That's an internal thing.

1266
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:03,600
It's an internal thing, but if
you have a more, if you Mike

1267
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:09,000
young right now.
Tell me that there's virtually

1268
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,900
not going to be someone that
loves hockey basketball enough

1269
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:17,400
that has some big company that
is going to be willing to stroke

1270
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:23,200
a big check to say.
I want to sponsor this I want

1271
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,200
Virginia Tech stuff on my
merchandise.

1272
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:32,200
Yeah you got to have that sort
of personality Who can go out

1273
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,100
and sell the program and then
convince well, I'm going to buy

1274
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:38,900
some ads.
Yeah, I want to do this.

1275
01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:41,400
I want to put your logo on the
side of my.

1276
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,400
I've got my company Polo and I
want your logo over here.

1277
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,000
So, how much do I haven't do?
We talk about it.

1278
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Amazon deals sponsoring
football.

1279
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,100
I mean we've got a relationship
with Amazon in place.

1280
01:20:56,100 --> 01:21:00,600
Now let's go ahead and give us
100 million.

1281
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,600
Yeah, I think I think the
problem is that with football.

1282
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:08,500
They limit the small
sponsorships, but they are very

1283
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:12,600
stuck in these.
We have these relationships that

1284
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,300
we've had for four years and
we're sticking with them.

1285
01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:21,000
We're not looking for new like
it's very much a we have what we

1286
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,200
have and We're happy with it so
we're not, we're not touching

1287
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,300
it, the brand is bigger, go
after something else.

1288
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:33,300
I'm going to give you massive
Kudos, great research job on

1289
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:35,500
this.
Hoping opening people's eyes.

1290
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:39,300
Go to sport Eco.
Go to the SEC and look what a

1291
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:41,800
program.
Like, Arkansas are your sales

1292
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,700
like 137 million dollars Revenue
a year.

1293
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,800
And I know a lot of that's from
meteorites, but they've got a

1294
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,200
lot of other stuff going on,
too.

1295
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:52,700
All right, Brian, let's talk
about Saturday, picking for we

1296
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:57,000
close it up tonight on Rhine
rough week.

1297
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:59,400
Yeah, it was bad.
It was bad.

1298
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:06,000
Brian went 3 and 7 got pit.
Got BC.

1299
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,700
Got it.
NC State do not get into the

1300
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:16,400
state.
My bad.

1301
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:29,700
Hold on here, I got pit I got
See, who did I get BC in

1302
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:31,000
Michigan?
Michigan.

1303
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,600
Yep, that was the other one.
All right, so I'm like, don't

1304
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:41,100
Brown 13 and 759 and fifty two.
And one.

1305
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:44,300
I went everywhere.
We differed you were right.

1306
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:48,600
Three.
Yeah, the Notre Dame, UVA game.

1307
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:55,600
Brian was expecting Armstrong to
play, he didn't I went five and

1308
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,700
five.
So up to change some stuff up

1309
01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:59,700
here.
I miss the look.

1310
01:22:59,700 --> 01:23:03,700
I thought I took weight but I
didn't coin flip situation for

1311
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:08,200
me this week and you know we you
feel like in this we got like

1312
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:13,400
Miami had it covered.
Gave up a fourth and 14 and then

1313
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,900
the touchdown to lose the game.
MC State lost what?

1314
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:23,500
By 3 you have to and you lose
about three, it's gut-wrenching,

1315
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:32,000
the Baylor, Oklahoma game.
I went Baylor, I don't know why,

1316
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:37,400
I guess I just thought home
field but you know one of those

1317
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,000
weekend's, the one that I think
shocked me and you more than

1318
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:45,200
anything.
Pitt Bean UNC by touchdown.

1319
01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:53,200
Pitt had a really off night.
But cuse, Louisville.

1320
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:57,000
Yeah.
Did anybody see that coming?

1321
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,900
Nah Louisville.
Jumped on their ass early too.

1322
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:04,400
They did and it wasn't like
turnovers or anything like that.

1323
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,100
Because I was when I open that
the game, the stats Central for

1324
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:12,000
that I would expect to see I
Schrader probably threw three

1325
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,800
picks or they fumble or return.
Yeah, so no baby a pig six.

1326
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,600
Maybe a scoop and score it.
Some bad Plumbing.

1327
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:22,400
Yeah.
They had bad plumbing.

1328
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,300
And that was it.
So I don't know Tennessee hung

1329
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:31,600
in there with Georgia for a
while but I was talked.

1330
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:35,800
With my father-in-law really
today and is some about Georgia.

1331
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,500
It was ten nothing earlier,
right?

1332
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:41,700
We're ten Seven, Ten seven
early.

1333
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:44,700
Yeah.
How quick to Kirby Smart adjust.

1334
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,100
Second quarter, He adjusted put
Tennessee was in Tennessee.

1335
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:51,900
Couldn't readjust second quarter
heat, adjust it.

1336
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:56,200
And by the second half, it was
locked down over and it's crazy

1337
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,900
because what I was talking about
with him was when you have that

1338
01:24:59,900 --> 01:25:04,000
many much talent on the field,
you can adjust that quick.

1339
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,600
Most teams just like, we have to
get to have time to figure this

1340
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:11,600
out.
We can't adjust on the fly like

1341
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this, because most, they
adjusted they adjusted on the

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fly to stop any bleeding.
Eating and then they made

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,900
full-on adjustments that lock
them.

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01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:26,000
The hell down at halftime.
It was crazy to see that go on.

1345
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,500
I'm not jealous here.
Brian anything breaking?

1346
01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:34,600
I haven't seen anything.
Come across buddy, right?

1347
01:25:34,900 --> 01:25:38,500
I am updating.
I'm adding 1 to my loss column

1348
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:48,100
and Take it away one.
So I am 64 and 44 now, just so

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01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:49,800
you got.
So, I got some ground to make up

1350
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,400
next week.
He's got ground bronze.

1351
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,700
Going to have to just go
opposite view every time I got

1352
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:59,200
to go at least war against you
every week from here, on out.

1353
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,500
If I'm going to make up some
ground, nothing for against us,

1354
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:07,100
for two weeks, then you have to
choose every championship game

1355
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:08,800
against me, that's going to be
fun.

1356
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:13,200
And then bowl games.
It can happen.

1357
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,800
Olga, it can't happen.
It is possible.

1358
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,000
All right.
Well, if nothing has happened,

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01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,500
buddy, or broken, since we
started about 9:30 tonight, that

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01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:26,400
is going to wrap up this episode
of The Boundary Corner podcast.

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01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,900
I'm Curtis Wilson.
I'm Brian Sigler.

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01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:31,600
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01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,900
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01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:38,800
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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,500
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01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,500
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01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,200
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1368
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,800
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1369
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,200
Catch him on Spotify, and apple
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1370
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,000
Brian five and five, we're back
to 500.

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,600
We got a shot in a bowl.
Now we thank you guys.

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,800
Always for listening rate review
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1373
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,100
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01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:08,200
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As always buddy.

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,200
Let's go Hokies.