Dream Team Pt 1

0:37 Music. And welcome back to the Boundary Corner Podcast, a part of the College Huddle Network along with my partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and we are brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Counts Family Pharmacy, your family Neighborhood Pharmacy, three O 1

2:07 S Main St. in the Blacksburg. Hey, everybody's back. What's up? Full boat. Let's go. What's wrong? How's everybody doing this evening, Tally? Mornington weather, we got tornado warnings all around. So if y'all lose me, y'all better send the authorities, make sure I'm all right down here. It's a tornado warning every day in in Huntsville. So I mean, I ain't saying that it ain't real because they are real, but it's just like I can only get in that safe space so many times, you know what I'm saying? Too big to be in that little bitty spot. Tally, I'm not going to send the authorities. I'm going to send Glenn Powell after you that.

2:48 That'd be fine come. On Take care of you. Send send them all. And, and welcome back Shelton. We have not seen Shelton that much basically since February. Shelton, how you doing? I mean, season's over finally, right? Yep, I've been, I've been busy with college baseball season, which takes up all my time, but it's good to be back. We were in, we were in Charleston last weekend for the conference tournament, which was it was good. I mean, we didn't do on the field, but that did not prevent me from having a good time in Charleston. So glad that's all wrapped up now and I got a bunch of free time. So how would it be happy to be back on for the summer? Awesome. Well, love that you had a good time down in Charleston. Great city, great food, great running place, great drinks. I'll be going there in a month.

3:36 So how? Many times. Are you going this year, Curtis? How many times is your mom going this? Year my mom, like, is on. She just got back today, which was trip #3 to Charleston. She's going in a month with us. That's going to be trip #4 and I think she's going one time near the end of the summer. My mom's going to Charleston five times this year. Now there's family down there. My aunt lives down there, my cousins live down there. So I'm, I'm, I'm my, my cousins, both him, he graduated South Carolina. His son is a junior down there. I'm expecting them to just give me so much shit leading up to Atlanta. Like I'm I'm already prepared for it. So here's what it is. Let's hope we got some shit to give back to him come into August.

4:19 Nice. That'd be nice. That'd be nice. So everybody's good here, Brian, What have you been up to? I know you sent some good bourbon. Did you send Tally the bourbon picture, by the way? I think you. I didn't. I got I got to send it that way. Yeah, we had some good bourbon down at the in laws this weekend. Thursday I bought a Jeep so. Got a Jeep? Oh. Willis, 2020. Twenty. Oh, you got a real Jeep. Oh, got a Wrangler. You got a real Jeep? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool, man. Jeeps are a lot of fun, so make sure you don't have too much fun, you old. Don't be out here. I'm going to have a little fun jumping. Don't be out here jumping hills and sand dunes and stuff like that because it'll do it, especially at Willis.

5:06 Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. It looks good. I've seen the picture of it, it looks good. I got. Rims on it, Yeah, yeah. Isn't that nice? I got the the the Stingray. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's good. You just go ahead and get the picture and share it so everybody can see your new whip man. I mean, I got to, I got, I got told about it last Thursday and got to see it last. I hadn't seen it in person yet. I don't know if you're coming over this week, but if you are, I do, I'm going to take a break, go see the new Jeep. If not, I'll see it in two weeks. So absolutely. So obviously we're back. You know, it's the summer law week here, week there. We're on, we're off.

5:47 And tonight, before we get into what the episode's all about, there are two things I want to break down real quick. First of all, if y'all did not see, I think they finally rounded out the strength and conditioning tab and they hired Jeffrey Eden just a few days ago. Guys been all over the country as a some sort of athletic trainer, athletic director, strength and conditioning coach. But that picture, I sent it to the chat, first thing Tally screams is. He look mean. He look mean. He does look mean then.

6:27 Strength and conditioning coaches have a certain look that you just don't want to mess with them. Certain ones, you know what I'm saying? So they got a couple on that staff that I probably wouldn't, wouldn't want to piss off. If they say lift the weight, I'm probably going to try to lift the weight. I'm trying to get it up. Yeah, I think, I think between him and Ferg, the way they look at you, I could be pretty motivated to lift some weights. Damn right, damn right. Let me see. Oh that's right, he came from Miami and by looking you can he follows the Hokies more than he does Miami. Y'all know? That I know he got all kind of maroon with. You he had by Miami and Oregon too, right? He was at Oregon for a bit. He was at Oregon for a bit as well. Now, Shelton, you got some Intel, a little bit of insight, couple guys you know had good things to say about him, correct?

7:16 Yeah, just a little shout out our our Strengthos chair at WNM who I I work with, I go the way a lot just, you know, see him around a lot. He has some high praise for him. So again, I mean that's kind of just, you know, you know, giving a little bit of a shout on Congrats, but I thought that was to see kind of the Interstate mingling there. Give me a shout out for the for the hire. Yeah, it's it's cool to see that they round the staff out. It looks like it's a staff of obviously Ferg. He felt like he he deserved probably a chance a few years ago he brought in some some some fellow Hokies back along with some new blood in there. So it's good to see that. And I think the staff is now done right.

7:58 There ain't nobody else to hire a fire. I mean, there's always people to fire, but you know that that that depends on I think, I think if they're. Hiring anyone at this point, they're hiring new positions. Yeah, which we need. So we'll we'll we'll go ahead and say that the other piece I wanted to hit is it looks like this is going to take place and I just want to get y'all's opinions on it. Is College Football Playoff tally. Make the joke, Kurt. We ain't going to be there. So why you care about it? I care about it on your ass. But we are no longer conference championships. Doesn't matter anymore, you win, you still in the top five are still in. But now it's just that straight seating down, you know, 1 to 16 because that's the way it's going to look 1 to 12 probably this year. Y'all like y'all hate y'all don't give a damn. It's fair.

8:51 It's not fair because it did feel like in my opinion, Oregon just got job last year getting lined up with Ohio State. Let me ask this, would you prefer having the conference champion be in regardless but it's still be seated based on committee, or would you rather every conference get one automatic bid regardless of whether they're conference champion or not? Same seating.

9:32 Give me a second. I've also lost communication here. I don't know man. I'm just, I guess, do we care enough about conference championship as long as one conference is every conference, Every P4 conference is getting an automatic bid anyway. I think as long as they get automatic bids, I think that's that's it. It's to me, I think it as long as you get the bid in, I don't think it should matter one way or the other. I mean the the way. Well, yeah, you see, Chris. Chris on our ass. Hey, I asked a good question. Everybody was dumbstruck.

10:12 And we were dumbstruck here. Yeah, that's a good question. But it's just like Curtis, I mean, I don't know, man. Like if you're getting to be it. You get a bid. You get to be it. It's you get a seat at the. The bigger part about it is getting a seat at the table, right? That's the most important part. As long as there is a seat at the table in the correct manner, then it doesn't matter because people can say, well, you got to go this many games and you got to play this team like, OK, what if you beat that team right like that, That's the goal is to win. People say, well, that's a tougher path. Like you say what you won't say what Ohio State did they they had to play Tennessee that in that stadium was not that stadium was 7030 like they did not have a full home field advantage. Then you got they had to go to the Rose Bowl with Oregon off a bat.

11:05 Yep, they played Oregon tight and then they beat that ass and then the next game was the Texas game. It doesn't matter. You're going to have to be 4 probably very good teams to win the national title from now on. So you have to play somebody, you have to play somebody good. I mean, some somebody's role could be easier, but you have to play somebody good to get there anyway. So it's like you got to be built to win when you get to that position anyway. So it's like it don't it don't matter. It does matter, but it don't matter who you playing first. It don't matter as much because you're going to have to, you got to win to get there, so.

11:46 My my thought is that, like the conference championships in my mind mattered more when it had to be the differentiator of potentially who represented your conference in a fourteen playoff or I agree or, you know, would you be going to a fourteen playoff because of your conference championship game? And, and, and I think that that matters so much less now that I mean, even we saw it this year, like a lot of teams that had stuff locked up, like almost didn't want to play the game, but you know, did because it's like, well, I, I, you know, there, there was something attached to it. But I don't think it really matters so much from a who's in or who's out because one of the more than likely if a team would have, would have been in before the conference championship, they're going to be in after the conference championship.

12:34 So you're basically, I think in some ways undermining the regular season because you're throwing in a potential conference champion that maybe didn't have the resume to do it because of that automatic bid. Sheldon, I want to say something, but I want to give you a moment if you've got anything to add. Yeah, I mean, as as someone who grew up watching FCS football, who kind of has a different perspective on this, just seeing a much more, you know, well structured playoff. I I think conference title games like Brian was alluding to made sense in a bowl and for and limited playoff system. They do not make any sense in an expanded playoff system because you've are, I mean, theoretically you like you should, you should be in if you win the regular season. That's the, that's the reward for, for being good in the season is, you know, the, the auto bid for, for winning an 8 or 9 game regular season.

13:26 So I just, I mean, but, but again, they make money. So it's like they're not going to get rid of it, but it plays into the seeding. I don't know. I mean, I don't have an issue with the, with the change to getting rid of the auto bids, But I, I will say I, I feel like people are going to complain when the committee shows favoritism to the SEC and big 10 schools like no auto bids. OK, so they can, they can put whatever they want at the one seed at the zoo seed. So that's kind of a try it off you make there. See, my bigger point is you really want to make the regular season matter and Jim put it up here. I'm going to throw it up here real quick. What Jim said. If you win your regular and it's kind of a, if you win a regular season P4 title, you don't need to play that first.

14:06 You don't need to play championship game. Basically what you look at the championship game to me and I know it's being floated, it's going to happen probably in the Big 12, in the ACC and somewhat the SEC in the Big 10 is your regular season. You went eight and one won't nobody as good as you in the regular season. You're in your regular and then say now to get that next seeding or to get the next two seedings, OK, you got to go win another game. You ain't going to just get shoved in. You've actually got to do something to prove it. And to me that becomes that. That makes the regular season more valuable. Win the regular season title, get a buy or you're straight into the playoff. You ain't got to play another game. And then it's even bigger because it's stupid as it sounds.

14:52 And I always say this, some system like that, like where Tech was last year at the beginning of November. Listen, you win all your you win the rest of your games. You went out. You have a chance to play your way in. Let me ask you, regular season more. Yeah. Let me ask you this though. So what I don't like about that is that now you're going to potentially have a handful of at larges that didn't have to play an extra game that those two seeds in the conference did, right? So in theory, I mean, most of the time anybody that's that large was probably playing in those games anyway most of the time. But there's only some instances where that was not the case. Then that is what it is.

15:40 I mean, I mean, no, no systems going to be perfect, but you know, the upside is likely they're going to have to go on the road. I'd much rather go ahead and start the playoffs earlier than do a play in there. So you're just saying regular season chance go in and then the next best way? Whatever your tie Breakers are, that's how you get the automatic bids versus the at large bids. Right. And go ahead and start the day in playoffs so you can have more home games and let these things actually play out on campus as early as they can and then move them to the bowls in the latter latter half like we've seen the latter. 3 Yep, exactly. And nobody gets about, I mean. If we're going to 16, that's the way to do it in my opinion.

16:23 Just straight basically after Thanksgiving that weekend, man. This isn't November. Yeah, the first week, Yeah, the first weekend most time would be in November or early December, right? Like chaos, chaos on. It'll be either. The last weekend of November. Or the first chaos. Christmas chaos. Exactly. All righty. So I always like to talk about that stuff because that's going to be the future college football, whether you like it or not, because money rules everything. It's cream, y'all know it. That's your smile. Like Cali caught that. It's. All that matters nowadays. So let's roll on and let's have some fun tonight because for those who were catching it beforehand, Brian, I'll let you put the little thing up here.

17:13 This is something I've been wanting to do for about 3 years now, maybe longer, but I've always wanted to do something where you sit here and you talk about you had to put a dream team together and let's get into that first. What is a dream team? Brian? You posed a question to us three earlier so I'm going to let you have the floor. But what's a dream team in your opinion? And then Shelton Tally myself will answer that as well. All right, to me, a dream team is not a team that where you're saying I want the absolute highest achieving player at this position to go out there.

17:53 A dream team to me is I want the best overall team, the team and the players of each position that I would be willing to put up against. The best from an Alabama, the best from Michigan, the best from Penn State. Like if if we were taking this on the road and had to play games with this team, this is the person I would want at these positions. So this isn't necessary. Like stats play into this, but this is not a who has the best numbers, who looked the most dominant? It it's it's about who would you put on this team to go out there and and, and play against these other best teams from these other schools. That's how I was looking at it when I built my team. So I'll let someone go next who wants to explain what they did in their process.

18:37 Yeah, similar, similar thing. But you're also for me whenever you're talking about dream team, because it always comes up with like basketball, of course, right. But when you talk about a dream team, it's also who you enjoy watching play like who you enjoy or you know, who you were able to see play. So maybe it was somebody back in the 1900s that I didn't watch play that was much better than anybody that we seen. So you know, it's you always get the, the, the LeBron, Kobe, Jordan argument, right? I'm a Kobe guy, like Kobe is my guy. That's why I watch play the most. I thought he was. I'm not saying he was the best player. I'm not saying he was the most dominant. I'm not saying he's the best NBA player ever. I'm just saying like if I'm starting a dream team, he's going to be he's going to be at my 2. So comes down to a lot of what Brian said, but also a throw in the aspect of who you enjoyed watching or who you have some who you have some history of watching. Sheldon.

19:43 Yeah, I mean, I, I tried to find a balance between like, you know, pure production and raw talents because I, I just think, you know, some guys like they they'll they'll put up numbers, but maybe aren't necessarily like, you know, the best player or, you know, they might be the most talented, but they don't. I got like Cam Chancellor, he didn't necessarily show that, you know, right away. And obviously it goes on to have a really good, productive NFL career, but doesn't really, you know, blossom at that particular time. So for me, it's like it's just pure ability and and, you know, production and talent, the combination of that, you know, like Brian said, can you actually win me a football game against it? That's the best. That to me is sort of the the the standard from which I judge.

20:26 Yeah, y'all, y'all summed up in so many ways and that's what went through my head. Raw talent, statistics. I like what talent said who I like to play. Y'all see that come in later because it's it's one thing, but it then it's elements of their game right, You know, because certain guys did certain things better than other guys and you're like you've got to have that certain guys were just straight up dogs like I want that guy playing like that guy's not going to let somebody beat him. That guy's not going to get tackled easy. So it's a lot of fun. This is the first of two because tonight we're doing the offense. We're going to figure out when we're going to do the defense because Tally's going on a cruise, Shelton's going to Arizona, I'm going to Charleston's bronze staycation in multiple places this summer.

21:16 So we're going to find a second one to do the defense. But tonight, we are starting with the offense and I know we got a lot of folks watching out there tonight. Feel free to put in the comments yours and this is kind of the breakdown. One quarterback. Yep, one quarterback. I know everybody's like what about two deep one quarterback because your one quarterback ankle never come out. Y'all know that? Tight ends, we went two, wide receivers we went five, lineman, we went seven because legitimate Brian can attest to this from playing in college. Tally probably can attest to it and Shelton probably can attest to it.

21:56 We all can attest to it. Usually you're rotating about 7 lineman, yo 7 best lineman are going to play at some point and then running backs 3. Andretti, you didn't got defense on there, man. This is just offense tonight. Just offense and don't worry, we're going to pull it up here in just a second. Robbie with the exciting whites. The exciting white. Yeah, hold on. Not a black man Insight, Robin. You got the ginger on me. So let's start it up, Brian. Bring up the first category here and we are starting with the quarterbacks. And I'm going to lead the charge on this one because in my personal opinion, and we're going to go through all four of us and then start arguing and cursing and letting people get pissed off at us in the chat. My personal opinion?

22:48 There's only one Mr. Electricity MV7. Michael Vick will be my card and quarterback for this dream team, Ron. Yeah, I I went through a couple of different scenarios here, but it came down to from just an overall ability standpoint, who would I trust to spin it in a game? And it's got to be Mike Vick. Tally. So everybody knows Michael Vick is my favorite player. So I mean, it's only one answer that really can go in this. But I did not pick him. I did not pick Michael Vick because that was the obvious answer. And in my mind, I say it if Michael Vick's not available, because everybody's going to pick Michael Vick, who would I go with?

23:38 And I had to go with Jerrod Evans. Not only that, if you think about what Jerrod did, and I know we'll talk about it a little bit, you go back and look at his production, who's off the charts, man? Like, I don't think Virginia Tech seen a quarterback. I know we ain't seen a quarterback do what he done ever in a long time, you know? So I had to go with Jerrod Man to go all. Right and Shelton. Yeah, so I went, I became a little bit of a contrarian here. I went tie rod and not saying not saying it's better than NV 7, but I just think from a, from a pure passing production standpoint, I really like him. I also think, you know, he he just had such an insane work ethic and leadership ability that that's the guy I went leading my team.

24:25 So no disrespect to NV 7, but I I just think he was a guy that I want in that, you know, that winner take all situation to to lead my team. I will caveat by Michael Vick pick in that more than any other Virginia Tech quarterback we we got to see what Mike could do after Virginia Tech. Right. And I think because of that, we know where not only we saw how he impacted the quarterback position both at the college and the NFL level, but we also saw how he grew as a quarterback because of what he was able to do in the next level, right? So we we know where his ceiling is a lot more than I think we know.

25:10 Jerrod in particular, obviously Tyrod to a lesser extent with him having some starting experience in the NFL, but but still more of a limited role throughout his career. By the way, if if everybody's wondering because I had to look it up with Jerrod Evans when Tally sent me this one year, 3500 yards, 29 touchdown passes, 8 picks, 846 rushing yards and 12 touchdowns. Above. 40 touchdowns accounted for 8 picks. The man. I mean, that season he had back in 16 was unbelievable.

25:50 And that's why it's like I, you know, I wouldn't tell him playing on that. And, and, and for me, it wasn't Jerrod, but Shelton. I was like fencing between Victoria and Taylor because it was 2 separate times in my life. Mike Vick, I was 16 years old and that season was like, you know, you, you go back and think about the memories being 16. Now I'm 41, yeah, 41. And it's and it's like, Oh my gosh, that was still unbelievable things I've seen. But Tyrod was in my mid 20s and winning ACC titles. Knowing how good it was. I just the the one thing that'll always get me. It's a good question.

26:36 Maybe we do that. In a few, not anybody we've ever had get somebody else, get somebody from another school. But I don't know Ricky Bussell, I mean, Ricky Bussell fucked it up the least because we'd be honest, but but Tyrod for those years in the mid 2000s, I mean, you're right. The the leadership was there, the numbers were there. I mean, you know, before Logan, I mean 7000 career passing, it was 44 touchdown, 20 picks. And so, you know, I, I, I see some people putting out there Andretti's throwing some running backs. We're going to get there in a little while. Andretti cold pie.

27:19 But who is, was there anybody else? Because some people I, I, I was tally. We didn't get what we expected. I expected someone who is 10 years older me say drunken. Miller I thought somebody was going to definitely say drunken, Miller by now, Definitely thought. Somebody was going to say drunken Miller. Who else? Who else? I don't know, man. Like another thing you have to think about whenever you're looking at like a dream team, you're looking at a Virginia Tech dream team, right? So it's not like potential. I mean, it is because it's so hard because like you have to think of the overall of what they've done. But realistically, when you're creating a dream team, you're just talking about for that team.

28:02 You know what I'm saying? Once again, I go back to basketball. When you talk about the greats, Laker fan, you think about what Shaq did for the Lakers. The Shaq that played for Cleveland or the Celtics was a different Shaq. So he's probably not on their all Time Team, but he's definitely on the all time Laker team. So that's another reason why I kind of, you know, went with what I did. Again, it would always be Michael Vick for me because Michael Vick is my guy like that. He is the guy. But also when you just when you're creating this, I didn't feel like we could leave Jerrod Evans off of this list just because if you look at a pure numbers perspective, again, Michael Vick was the number one pick, not downplaying anything he'd done.

28:47 He had a year where he had, you know, 8 touchdowns and six picks, you know, from a quarterback perspective, throwing the ball. And then if you look at rushing yards, Jerrod had more rushing yards than him in a single season, which is crazy to me to even think that that could happen. But again, that ball was much different than the ball that Jerrod played or Tyrod played or even look at what Tyrod did. He just had that it factor, you know what I'm saying? Winning games in the last second and things like that. So I can see why he's on that list. I can see why Sheldon would say I want him to lead my team. Again, just looking at what they done in a Virginia Tech jersey is another reason why I kind of went with some of the picks that I went with.

29:33 Because once you start looking at, you know, NFL and what they've done for the community and stuff like that, Yeah, of course it sways. You know what I mean? They're saying, like Brian said, the full potential of Michael Vick once he got to the league. But. What about this one? And Jerry said he won Michael Brewer. Michael Brewer because Michael Brewer wins big games in tough plays. Big game Brewer. Big game Brewer. I'll, I'll say this, when we think about Mike relative to Jerrod, I mean to some some degree relative to Tyrod even like put Mike in a in a spread offense and it it would be insane what his numbers would have done.

30:15 Yeah. And I mean, I know it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's hard to like look at his stats relative to, to some of the quarterbacks that played 2010 and later. And it played in more open systems that had a true focus on generating offense on the on the ground with the quarterback, but still spread enough where there's room to operate and, and throw it as well, both short and intermediate. You know, most of what Mike was doing was, you know, handing the ball off some some some power options and then for chucking it deep. And and just and just scrambling. He revolutionized, he revolutionized the quarterback position. I mean, it's nothing you you can go back and watch some some Michael Vick highlights.

31:04 You know how hard it had to be to to be offensive coordinator to have him as easy as some people think it would be. Like it had to be so hard because if he goes on a bootleg or he goes to roll out, you know, he's getting to that spot much faster than anybody else on the team. So he's there faster than the wide receivers. He's there. He's sitting back there waiting for somebody to get to the spot where they need him to be. So whatever play they drew up, he had to I mean, he had to change it like because he's he was so fast, you know what I'm saying? He was so quick and his arm was a rocket, so it was crazy, man. Just that I I go back a lot of times and watch some of his highlights and it's ridiculous to me that he never seems like he's in distress, like he's running full speed. It was 19.

31:48 Faster than everybody on the field. In tally, that was 26 years ago. That's like, that's the level in where he is. Throw that one back up there. This is the one that tore Brian's heart, too. Oh yeah. Brian Randall, I mean, great leader. I wanted to do it. I was like, I can't. I can't quite make the justification here. I can't quite do it. I'm surprised that none of the old heads are thrown. Don struck out there. We will ignore the interception count in 72. Yes, you you ignore the Intercept and anybody that played like 3/19/92, you have to ignore the the interception counts because back then you could just murder wide outs and murder quarterbacks.

32:30 People didn't care. They do nowadays, so, but yeah, so again, quite a few regardless what you say, but this is who this is. Who's leading I teams out of the gate. No one took Marcus. Well, you know, Jim, I'll put that up there real quick just so he can see it. I'd be afraid night before the game he'd do something stupid and he'd be suspended for the game so we wouldn't have a quarterback. Hey, depending on who we playing, it's true. They know who playing. We playing Miami, I put Marcus in, go beat them up. Hey, kicking people, Go, go beat them up, man. Do what you want to do to them. Oh. Man Jr.

33:10 No. Oh, man. Oh, wait, we are playing. We playing Louis? Yeah, he going to go stomp on somebody and he's going to get kicked out of the game. Let's go. We playing West Virginia. Hey, you got full range to do whatever you want to do. We just want to win. If it's a rivalry game or a bowl game, let's ride with Marcus. Put him in. Let's go all. Righty, there's your quarterback, there's your quarterback one for the dream team. I'd love to see you guys as y'all start hearing it, throw your, throw your quarterbacks, throw your tight ends wide outs as we get to them. All right, let's go next. Let's start with tight ends. We said we're going to do 2 tight ends. Brian, like what about 3?

33:53 I'm like now 3 is too easy, 3 is too easy. So we go to Tally. I'll let you talk about yours first. Yeah, I talked about all that stuff, looking at what they did in Virginia Tech jersey, and then I put a quarterback in Logan Thomas and Greg Boone, man, Now we did get to see Logan Thomas at tight end, which is his natural position. You know, he had to get thrust in the playing quarterback, which did a good job at that. But just think about if we had Tyrod for that extra year and he was a tight end, what he was more naturally playing. And then Greg Boone just was very versatile, you know what I'm saying? You watch what he did as a tight end and one of the Wild Turkey with him because he did play some quarterback in high school and things like that, like just a fun player to watch. Like if you go back and watch Boone, he just was super fun to watch Gritty.

34:50 You know what I'm saying, Paul, I know we hate that word, you know, but oh, and somebody said, who would your OC be? Man, we I think we can get Fuente to be the OC and we'd be good to go. We don't need him to be the head coach and recruit, just be the OC and I think we'd be all right. So, but yeah, my back to was Logan Thomas and Greg Boone all. Right, Brian. All right. I almost went with Greg Boone in place of Logan Thomas there. So shout out Tally for that. It needs to be studied the quarterback to tight end trajectory at Virginia Tech because we've had a lot of them, But I I went with Jeff King. I played against Jeff King in high school. Dude was a beast.

35:39 He he, he, he stayed a beast at Virginia Tech. He was pretty damn solid as an NFL player. He's doing a lot of things up in the front office now. So been riding with Jeff King for a while and I went with Logan Thomas here as well because I feel like just if I want to put the most versatile guy out there that can catch the ball, that matches up well as kind of like a joker because I mean, just just more of the blocking guy. Logan's going to give me a little bit of that joker tight end look that I want while still being big enough and capable enough when I need some short yardage runs. So go with Logan here. And obviously Jeff. Jeff is the the stalwart that can do a little bit of everything from a tight end perspective.

36:21 All right, Shelton. Yeah, so I, I kind of halfway punted on this. I got, I got Lt. in there. You know, in my time as a Vt fan, which, or a Vt watcher, which is mostly the, the Lt. era, which was started, we haven't really had a ton of elite tight end play. And so it's, it's hard for me to comment on, you know, on guys that play before my, my era. I, I personally do not consider Bucky Hodges a tight end or at least a true tight end. Some people might disagree, but that's just how I look at it. So I got Lt. in there just, you know, because he obviously had the, had the production, But I, I think, you know, it was more kind of the earlier heyday of the Beamer era that we kind of had the, you know, the top tight ends.

37:02 But that was just that was just before my time. There was one in your era I thought you were going to put on here. I thought you were going to put James Mitchell fixed on gap because. Yes, James Mitchell, again kind of a tweener though. So if you want to go like true tight end or you know, lifted tight end, you can you can debate that. All right, I'm I'm going last here. First one was Jeff King. Always remember Jeff King played at Pulaski, right? Pulaski. Yeah, Pulaski. I was going to say K Spring, but no, that's where the other guy played. And I had Logan initially and I didn't realize what somebody did and I went looked at some stats and my second is the color analyst. The Greek got himself one of the funnest guys to talk to. If you ever at a Hokie event and you see Mike burnup, first of all, stop and talk to him.

37:55 He will talk to you. He will give you the time of day. He's funny, he makes you laugh. But did you all know he held that tight end record till Brookie broke it for over 40 years, almost 46 years. And in 1971 and 1972 that man combined for 80 receptions and over 1000 yards with five touchdowns. It is 1972. So I know he can block. He's like 70 in the shape he's in in his 70s puts me to shame. In my 20s. So I went Mikey Burnup because I know he can block. Any Jeff King to receive and threats to smart players in but but it's so tough because you know Sheldon, you probably pull it up real quick.

38:49 Can you get us what Logan did as a tight end in the NFL? Yep. Do that real quick. I'm surprised no one, at least at to this point. I thought I thought Sheldon might have thrown like a Dalton Keene in there. Yes, I I did think about Dalton Keene. I just, I just didn't. I didn't want to lump him in with the legends of the past that I did not have the privilege of watching. That's fair, That's fair. Dalton had a good career, nothing wrong with that. And if somebody threw if somebody throws salmon there because they say, you know, he played H back and stuff, that's fine as well. But what did you get it up yet, Shelton? Yeah, so Lt. he totaled 219 catches just north of 2000 yards and 16 touchdowns. And most of his production obviously came with Washington in the last four years of his career. Four years and and just think about that because he was out if I'm not mistaken, he did not play for two or three years while he was transitioning.

39:48 Yeah to playing tight end. So go back because Tally tally Brown one of y'all said it make sometimes voices ring together about that extra year. Tal. I think you said it. If he had played tight end that extra year. Could you imagine if he had just came in it was a tight end right away. He probably would have held every record his his. I mean, first three round draft pick based on what he did later in his career switching positions, I mean that's unbelievable to to do what he did. Robbie's calling us out here. Robbie's calling us out.

40:30 Nothing makes sense. We we switched everybody in there. I told you what I was doing from Jump Street here. I said I was making the team that I want to play against everybody else and if I'm doing that, the best tight end that based on body of work that I've seen both for Virginia Tech and outside of Virginia Tech, I'm putting Logan Thomas a tight end. Same. Not saying Bucky's not a tight end because he plays the position, but if I'm creating a team, I'm putting him at a wide receiver position. He was listed as a wide receiver in Puente's offense.

41:11 Right and then the people that I have as a wide receiver on this dream team just fit this team better great deep ball. I mean great deep ball option and he did AI mean great production at Virginia Tech great player. So not taking anything away from Bucky. Bucky was a great player, but. Bucky could get open and Bucky could come down with a big catch. Bucky was awful after the after the catch. He got to slide. He was going to slide down and catch it like he. Was going to get it, he was going to go down or he was going to get it and he was already in the end zone. Oh, yeah. And that's OK. So again, it's not like, you know, he did anything wrong. But it's just tight ends that you want. Yeah, you want to be as a tight end for me. You want these tight ends to be able to block and catch and be versatile.

42:00 The two that I have can do that. Just what it is. And yes, Robbie Curtis can put that up. I'm putting it up. Oh, everybody's in feelings tonight. Wait, listen, I do say this before we, as we wrap up the tight end room is every guy we've got on there could probably block their asses off. Logan showed it again in minimal time in Washington that he was a willing blocker and again, that's going away. So to me, if you can find one of those guys that can do that, it's unbelievable. Let's move over to the offensive line. And Brian, who is your 7?

42:48 All right. No particular order. Actually, I'll give you in a particular order. This is my starting five. Dwayne Brown, I won't put him at right. I will put Christian Darrisaw at left. OK. Give me Jake at center. Let's go white right, will left and then I've got Jim Pine and Eugene Chang coming off my bench here. All right, arguably the I mean, I'd say not even arguably literally the two best centers that Virginia Tech has ever seen on here. Arguably the two best, you know, tackles.

43:30 I'll, I'll say I'll throw 3 in there. And then you got Wyatt Taylor, Will Montgomery, the two best true guards that we've ever had. So I don't think that's too controversial, but that, that that's my, that's my 7 all. Right, Shelton. All right, so we'll start with our tackles, Dwayne Brown pretty, pretty self-explanatory, Darasaw. I mean, again, just in my time watching the most purely talented alignment we've had, not span, just his physical tools, the hips, the the foot speed, just incredible. I also went with Don Oakes. Now, Don Oakes is a little bit of a throwback as a as a history guy. So he played at Tech back in the late 1950s. He was a NFL draft pick in 1961.

44:17 So I kind of just threw him in there as kind of a bonus to give a shout out to the to the old, the old heads there. But he's in there as a tackle. And then Jim Pine J Grove at center and then why seller and Will Montgomery over at at the at the car position. That's kind of my my 7 there all. Right. I'll go up next. There's a trend here because the two best tackles we've ever seen was Dwayne Brown and Christian Garrisaw. And then it looks almost similar to bronze. I think Jake Grove is. I think if Jake Grove had not, what is it? He fucked up his hip, right? What did J Grove fuck up?

44:59 Because he played like 6 years and then all of a sudden he just retired. I mean J Grove was unbelievable center. Like you don't win the Remington and not be good because that's one of those things that you win. It's like you're technically unbelievable because they don't give that to anybody. Wyatt Teller, one of the guys like from Jump Street from the second he got recruited, it was like he's going to be a great player and he was a great player and he continues to be a great player. My third one was my Switch 1. I love Derek Smith. The some of the stories we've heard from Dwight talking about Derek Smith, a leader and a flexible guy, could play right tackle, could play guard. And knowing, you know, success in the league and, you know, battling cancer, knowing he's fighting that, you know, you got a dog in him. He will make people fight.

45:47 And then the same Jim Pine, if there had been a Remington in 199394, Jim Powell would have won the Remington. He was the best center in the country. And Eugene Chung, one of the more underrated guys. If you look back through history, first team, all American first round draft pick, played like 7 years, coached in the league for a while, you know, and there's still a few guys. Were probably is it Chung or Chang Chung? Chung Chung as. A typo I was going to. Say we got we got both of them here. I thought somebody went, hey, I thought we had both of them on the team. All right, Tally. I literally just said whatever Sheldon put, whatever Sheldon put put it because I mean, realistically for me it's Dwayne Brown and Kristen Darasaw.

46:33 Then also, you know, I did want Wyatt Taylor in there, but I also did kind of want some throwback guys, but I didn't really, you know, want to because when you think about offensive line, of course you want some nasty, you know, we just running the ball down your throat type guys. So I just when Shelton put his list up, I went back and looked at some of these guys and I was like, it's pretty good. Shelton. Thank you, man. Thank you for giving me the blast from the past. So just give me what Shelton put. So, yeah, man, if you look at those at those guys and, and, and what they did on the field, it makes the people that you have back in the skill positions job much easier.

47:16 You know, because when you start to look at some of the players that blocked for just say the quarterbacks that we have on the list, some of those guys was good. But as a line all together, I don't think anybody played with a line like this. So you know what I'm saying? What, what, What would it look like for somebody to be behind that? Yeah, and I'm I'll throw this up and often under spoken render render. You talking about nasty? He was nasty. He wanted he wouldn't fight people. The other ones, coach Robbie, he didn't put them on here because he probably ain't got the list. He missed it. A couple other goes out. This is the all name one right here. Buzz Nutter.

47:59 Now y'all laugh but Google research here and. I'm scared to Google that. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Also Robbie in there with the with the Ed Wang reference and we got Kyle Chung in there too. Kyle Chung. The Wang, The Wang Chung connection. But if you want to know about basically who Buzz Nutter was, he played in the same time that Shelton's guy did Don Oakes did late 50s, got drafted by the Colts, played for 11 years in the league between the Colts, the Steelers from 1954 to 1965. S tells you probably how good he was. You know, somebody trying to be funny, Lavar not trying to be funny.

48:46 I I dangle with Todd. I I thought about putting Todd because Todd was one of those versatile guys who plays centering guard and they go Buzz Nutter multiple World Championships. Oh Jr. trying to be funny. Jr. out here with Parker Clement. He is the the dream team if you want your quarterback injured by offensive line. True. And there's probably some other guys too. And again, we're not hitting everybody, but you start thinking about it and and it's good to see like what this does is you have conversations and like a Donald gets brought up or people forget about Eugene Chung or people forget about a buzz Nutter from, you know, yester pass.

49:28 And it's like there's been a lot of good players that have went through and there's a pitcher you go to Wikipedia, Brian might make you cry a little bit. It's a picture of another standing up somebody while Johnny use making a pass man so. You go back and look at what I think Robbie put, yeah, what Robbie put at Blake de Christopher as well. Yeah. Like that's a that's a great pick. It is a great pick. I think he's I think it was two time all ACC or maybe all American. No, all it's two time first team. All ACC is what he was so crazy crazy. He was good production and some of the lineman that we have had come through.

50:10 We need some more next question. No, I got this from Brian and I know it's a lot of what else in this. So this is just a strictly what if X goes to Auburn, has a great year and gets drafted top two rounds right? Yep, that happens if he had the same production as he does there at Virginia Tech, Gets drafted first two rounds. Does he go on this list anywhere? That's tough. That's tough, man. At that point, he's probably pushing Eugene Chung from a product productivity standpoint based on where you got drafted, based on output. That's that's a really good question. I mean, I would definitely consider it. I would, I would have to sit down and really kind of compare the two at that point.

51:12 If if he was back this year, he had another productive year, got drafted second round or higher, yeah, he'd be definitely be in the conversation. Chris say no. Yeah, Chris is OK. So. No, with a lot of with a lot of peers. I think that's Chris shaking his head and it was the Christopher was three all time ACC, two time first team, all the ACC. So I think it was good. He was good, just won't one like him again. So but yeah, it's true there. There's been nobody better than them. So I got somebody mentioning Trey Turner.

51:54 And as we put up Trey Turner, let's go to the wide receiver room because we go on five. We we're being realistic here. And Shelton, I'll let you lead the way on this room. All right, so once again, respect to my elders. Some of these guys I did not see play in their primes, but we're starting off Andre Davis. Obviously, you know, self-explanatory. One of the, one of the key players of that 99 team, Antonio Freeman had some crazy production and then some 2, two more recent guys, Isaiah Ford and Danny Cole. You know, to me, those are two guys where, you know, I just, I look at the, just the, the big play ability, the toughness, leadership aspect of it, the work ethic. Like if I'm in the trenches and I need, I need a big play, I really want those guys on my team. And then obviously Ernest Wilford as well, another kind of OGOG throwback.

52:46 So kind of got a little bit bounced here with some some younger guys and some older guys. I think it's pretty good, pretty good lineup. All right. And I think on this one y'all are going to see a trend of a couple guys always popping up. I'm right there with you. My top guy though that I always think about first is Antonio Freeman. But it would like you said what he did in the 90s was unbelievable. What he did in the NFLI mean the guy was all pro was really good. Then Andre Davis, I mean, like somebody said it earlier, that was Mike's only wide receiver. Like legitimate wide receiver threat that year. Sharon Stiff was a running back, but yeah, Eddie Royal.

53:30 And so like Shelton missed that era, but that era with Morgan and Eddie and Hyman and Clowny, I mean, that was a tough one to do, but I think Eddie was so versatile. It was like right out the gate to y'all know, he was a freshman. It was just like, boom, man. That's a good one, Jim. I like that Ernest Wilford, 64, big son of a bitch, could go above you, could run by you could do whatever he wanted. And then Isaiah Ford, I think if if we had been really good in 14 and 15, I think Isaiah Ford might be like, I think he'd be on another stratosphere.

54:16 But he had that one year in 16 where he was just dominant. There we go. We getting some, we getting some run here. Who's next, Brown or? We getting some deep deep cuts here too. I love this. Kelly's boys. Xavier. Whoa, there you go, Andretti. We had a we had a Brian still sighting. I'm seeing that. I'm just sitting there reading, oh, I'm next. So, yeah, so like you said, you're going to see most of the same names. I want it to be a little bit different because I really enjoyed one guy on this list. Of course, we didn't get to see him as much as we would have want to, But Damon Hazleton, just watching him play, watching his production from that wide receiver position made him one of my favorite players to to watch, as well as Isaiah Ford, you know, Antonio Friedman and all of these guys that are here. I kind of was in a in a pickle with Ernest Wilford because I was thinking, can I slide him into the tight end position? You know, can I slide him into the tight end position? I would.

55:20 I would so. If I would have put him in the tight end position to be able to give me another wide receiver on this list, you know, maybe just move Lt. off put Will for that. But I was like, you know what, I'm going to put them off on that. I'm I'm going to leave it like this. I'm going to follow the rules. So Ernest Wilford, I mean, Curtis probably summed it up the best. Big SOB running past people, running over people. Eddie Rohl could do it all. I mean, great slot. What slot wide receiver guy? I mean, what what what else did you ask for? If you got a if you got a line and you got a quarterback, somebody on that list get no somebody's taking the ball to the house. So great to watch watch these guys I'm. Going to piggyback off Tally here and just I'm going to call out Robbie real quick.

56:10 Ernest Wilford belongs in the tight end room more than Bucky Hodges, but he's not on my list. He's not on my list, though, because Jim pointed out. Yeah, I make some people cry. It does, it hurts it, it it's painful. So I got Andre Davis, you know, all time per catch numbers, man, it's it's hard to argue with 27 1/2 per reception in the season in 99. And that's what he did. That's ridiculous. The production that Freeman had in the 90s is insane. Eddie Royals numbers here.

56:55 I don't know why I got Wyatt in front of Isaiah Ford's name here. Blame the typo. I'm that's what I'm blaming it on. Eddie Royal versatile. Do it all man. He's going to be in my slot. Isaiah Ford, 11 touchdown receptions in 20/15/24 career, man, you talk about production, the guy's getting in the end zone, but he's still able to do it in all areas of the field as well. And Jared Boykin, all the time. Yards, man. And I think he is a guy that just from a production standpoint, if you need a first down, he can get it for you.

57:38 And hands, Yeah. I mean, you ever did see the, the, the, the obsession that the color guys had talking about Jared Boykin's hands in a broadcast every time is unprecedented. Man, every time they talk about the bands. Yeah. What? Are what are you insinuating? You don't want to get slapped by this guy. No, you don't want to get blocked by you know that we somebody put it up here like you got like Cam Phillips is the all time leading receiver. I mean there's so many Brian still. I mean there's still a part of me it goes back 30 years, December 31st this year when Brian still's house that punt and I know that's not wide receiver, but Brian still still there.

58:27 Who else? Who else are we missing? Anybody we I'll throw 1. Put up Darrell Darrell Robertson now. Darrell. Yeah, Darrell, yeah. I mean, if we're looking at numbers, you know, we talked about Andre Davis's per catch in 99, but you got Ricky Scales catching balls from Bruce Arians for 20.1 for his career. I know that's crazy in the 70s. I'll throw you one. And I forgot to mention, what about Harper? Remember Justin Harper? Yeah. Harper that was so good back in the old size. Always Carol Dale. Don't ever forget the name. If you if you're a new Hokey fan, go look him up. Unbelievable player with Tech. Unbelievable player with Packers.

59:08 Yeah, there's been 2. There's been 2000s. Like, you had four receivers that were legitimate NFL talent. It was hard to get them the number of catches that you would want them to have because you had four guys that were very, very talented in that group. I want, I want to throw this to all three. I'm going to pitch it to Shelton first. Shelton If Jalen Lane had spent all four years at Virginia Tech, would he be on this list for you? I mean, I think so if you, you pencil him in a slot, I mean, I just think based on, you know, just based on like his speed, you know, the, the physical attributes. Like he was already because like I was when we were doing this, this exercise, I was looking up the all time receiver list, all time receiving staff at BT and he was, I think Jalen was top 20 ish despite the in total catches, despite the fact he only played two years here, which is really impressive. So I think if you extrapolate that to four years, I mean he he would be one of the most productive slot receivers of all time.

1:00:06 Yeah, had all the, he's got all the physical attributes that makes him good. We didn't get to see in return kicks as much as he probably could have if the team was what it needed to be. So just different things that he did Does great question make gives you the opportunity to even mention his name with some of these. You know, for him only being here 2 years, I think he's going to have a good NFL career. I was hoping that I was hoping that the Titans would pick him up. I was I was I told you I'll please let us get him. But of course we didn't. So yeah, Andre, Andre and mentioned Marcus, Marcus Davis on here as well.

1:00:51 Yeah. And it's going to be interesting to see how like as we move forward in the transfer portal era, like how do we quantify transfer production? And I mean, I think we're going to have a little bit of a conversation about that in this next, this next window here. But it's, it's, it's going to be interesting because you're talking about one or two years of production with your team, whereas usually most of these guys are on this list had at least three years, 3 productive seasons with the squad, right? So by default most of these transfer guys are going to have at least one year handicap. Since we doing since we doing so much, what else right can I just say Curtis, you only get I'm going to start a timer about 5 minutes.

1:01:43 What if 2026 no not 20/26/2016 team come back? You, you know y'all know that? We lose. We lose the Clemson by what, 7 points? About 7, No, No. Yeah. Seven. Yeah. Because it was always the the fluente always said if we score it, we go for two. Because fuck, over time that would have been Cam's back, Isaiah's back, Bucky's back. The back. The defense because the what everybody looks at is the mirrorism of the defense because in 2016 that the offense was top 25.

1:02:27 First of all we've never seen anything like it. Like we didn't know what to do. Like we scoring even low point game we get in the 20's the next year, if y'all remember that was a top 10 defense I believe with Tremaine, with the Edmonds brothers, the the what if about 2017 and there's there's there's multiple years because you've already talked about 2011. That's one of my what ifs. 2017 we went nine and three and the losses were to golly pull it back up Clemson. Georgia Tech and. Yeah, Georgia Tech bullshit.

1:03:09 Miami. Miami. Yeah. It it it's tough not to say that that team wouldn't have been to at least two wins better. Right. But but I'll throw, let me, let me throw this one at y'all before we get into running backs. Michael Bates doesn't fuck up his ankle in 2000. Do we win a national championship? Because he was he, he was such a better passer that second year. Does he win the Heisman? Does he win the Heisman? Does he win a national championship? That's the, I mean, they're, those are the three seasons. I've always said I could probably sit here and shelter with the data, people watching it, you know, bring people like Dwight on the people that played on those teams. Those three teams are the biggest what ifs in Virginia Tech history.

1:03:56 What because? Because it Mike doesn't hurt his ankle. Hey, hey, where you at? Where you at? He always sitting right here when you came. You wouldn't have beat us in 2000 with that man. He already put you down once here to put you out to pass your second time. I ain't no king. Oh, he knows it's true. He knows it's true because we we fought them tooth and nail. Without in that game, he might have been a baby, but you know, right Tally, you going to make me write another episode? We're going to be sitting here for three hours talking about What If seasons. And I already knew it because Bass, Bass has asked a couple times, Brian, who is going to be the damn wide receiver one for this year?

1:04:38 We don't know, man. We, we, we think it might be Aiden Green. But Brian, who is it going to be? Who going to be the wide receiver one this year? I think. It's going to have to be Aiden Green. It's going to have to be 1 of the one of the two Greens, I would imagine. I just don't know. We got one guy that's a known, known commodity, but he was, you know, kind of third in the pecking order, really 4th if you got to add in tight end production in the pecking order from a of a passing perspective. But at the same time, we got a whole lot of guys coming in that, you know, two of them have been productive at other spots, but haven't always been that healthy. You know, you got Seldon coming in that, you know, he might be able to be productive in the slot, but we don't know exactly what he looks like being a full time wide receiver. So that's still to be determined. So I mean, my, my gut says it's going to be Aiden Green, but honestly, I don't know.

1:05:47 There's your answer, Bass. Well, that's his answer. From from Brian. Well, Donovan Green can stay healthy. I mean, with the system we're going to be running now, I think Donovan Green could be wide receiver one stat wise at the end now. Oh, Shelton, you made a frown on that. Go on. Oh. No, no, that wasn't. That wasn't intentional. Or anything. Curtis, you know he. That was an. That was an indeterminate. Frown. Yeah, like I agree with you. I agree with your point though. Like it's yeah, we just don't know. He was, he was crunching numbers as you was talking. He's probably, he's probably got so many stats going on his head right now. Yeah, I'm going to tell you he was crunching. He was crunching. This guy's been out so many games, Curtis. He's not going to play a full season. So you losing your ever loving mind doing that. All right, all right, we finally got here because this would, you know, there's so many ways you could go with this one. I mean, you got Robbie's throwing this up, including Mike Vick.

1:06:49 Robbie crazy now not not a crazy take. I'm just saying, Robbie, you crazy? Hey, Kenny Lewis, shout out here. Kenny Lewis I think. I think Rocky's going with MV7 and the All GW Danville back. The all GW team because he got he saw him run by him so much I. Oh, oh, Kenny Lewis. I saw Kenny Lewis run by. You saw? Kenny too it right? Yeah, this is a great podcast. That's why it's been fitting and we we waited for it. I get to lead the running back one because I thought of the idea and for me, I won't sub 4/4 speed. If they touch it and you miss them, they gone.

1:07:31 Kevin Jones, KJ still the best fact that has ever come through. David Wilson, the man still runs by Robbie and asleep on the sidelines and the new blood because I got to see him for two seasons and you saw him hit holes and when he got to the second level, you won't stop at him. I love Basil 2 and he's one of those guys that if I walk into a place and I see what is it, he was 33, right? Yep. I'd be tempted about 33. I got 5 in the closet. Shout out Tyrod, but 33 I could. I could dial that number. All right, so we got this out of the way with with having a transfer in the dream team.

1:08:15 Yep. You know what, like I'm, I don't have a problem with that, especially a running back, because running back is a position that most guys only have two productive years before they're going to the draft anyway, historically. So you know, this isn't eye popping because he still had two productive years of Virginia Tech. So no problems there. I went a little bit different. I think Curtis, you got a little bit more balance than I do. I got you got speed, but .3 speed. But but Tooting is still good between the tackles, can break tackles very well. So you still have that in the short yardage perspective.

1:08:59 You know, I got Ryan Williams in short yardage roll here because I've got Wilson and KJ on here as well. I went with a lot of speed here, but I think Williams is also versatile enough where he can get the job done in those short yardage and goal line situations here. But David Wilson is up there in terms of running back balance that I've ever seen. Being able to stay upright when contacting defenders, being able to turn a corner. KJ is just, you know, you talk about Michael Vick being electric, KJ was electric at the running back position and and Ryan Williams was really just doing everything, but with enough, you know, breakaway to really be a game changer.

1:09:47 So that's my 3. And you get a little bit of versatility there with Wilson because he can run some kicks back for you and and make some big plays on special teams. Tally. So don't jump on me. I knew a lot of names was already going to be taken, but I had to put certain names in there. Ryan Williams is probably my favorite Virginia Tech running back to ever watch. Little Sweetness, probably my favorite. Somebody else put Darren Evans up here. I was, you know, thinking about all of these guys in the backfield together. David Wilson, Darren Evans. Darren Evans doesn't get hurt. Whatever. Anyway, Ryan Williams, David Wilson, exactly what Brian said. Watching him was ridiculous.

1:10:32 Like his balance getting to the corner, it looked like the man was. He looked like Michael Jackson, like he was leaning. Remember when Michael Jackson did the dance when he was leaning but staying upright? Like that's what David Wilson looked like when he was running the ball. And then I had to give a shout out to Khalil Herbert. I'm a big Khalil Herbert fan. I like tuning a little bit better just from what I've seen him watch. But I knew Curtis put it, so I had to give a shout out to Herbert just because we got Herbert in during COVID and I feel like he was cheated. I feel like we were cheated. Nobody got the world didn't really get to see what that man could do in a Virginia Tech jersey. Like he was so exciting to watch, man. He was great balance, super, super speed, like just a great running back to watch.

1:11:22 So had to throw him in there with so many backs that you could put in. I see people putting up like going back, looking at Lee Suggs, Brandon Orr, all of these guys, and it's like, damn, man, who do I put in here? Like that's probably the deepest position that Virginia take. That's the hardest for me out of everything to pick even more than quarterback, you know what I'm saying? Because realistically when you look at quarterback, you're just like, we going to put Michael Vick in there, You know what I'm saying? Like most of the time, most people's going to do that. But when you look at running back and you ask 10 people give me your top three running backs, all of the list usually going to be somewhat different just because of auto production you've had in that position.

1:12:02 Yeah, before Sheldon goes here, Tally, I want to give you a shout out for Herbert, man, because especially the context of it. Because imagine like we saw that moment with Tootin at UVA running it back and going in there. Imagine like all the times where Herbert got to the edge of that one, cut outside zone and just shot the gap and then hit the the track finish line. Yeah, if he if he could run up into the stands and actually get some interaction with fans, that would have went so hard, man. Yeah, for real. I'm telling you right now. I know with Curtis, I mean, I know Shelton's got to go here just a second, but and then I know we got to get ready. I'm go ahead and saying right now we got to get Rock down here for defense. He's already amped up, man.

1:12:49 He is amped. Robbie is a Robbie. The invitation will be to you and we'll bring you on here. Shelton Go. All right, the first thing I want to say before I reveal my list is God bless Jim Kavanaugh. That man was a dog on the recruiting trail. He's responsible for almost all of the legendary running backs you'll you'll see in tech history. The the best recruit I've ever had by far. So praise be to Jim Kavanaugh for all the work he did. So my, my, my running back list now Lee Suggs. I mean, you know, nothing really needs explanation there.

1:13:29 He had a 27 touchdown season, I believe in 2000 something. But he was Ashley Genti before Ashton Genti was Ashton Genti. So Suggs was was a goat. Cole Herbert, now he was more of his own running back. So I think what separated him was his vision and his ability to to find those holes, get to the second level, see the safeties and kind of make those, you know, those reads, not the not the biggest, you know, breakaway speed, but just had unparalleled vision. And then Kevin Jones also had a 22 touchdown season, I think in 2003, also a dog. So those are my, those are my big three. I I, I like this. Yeah. The way thugs ran, there wouldn't be people that slows him down.

1:14:10 But. But we're missing just so many people, though. That's the thing. That's the crazy part about this. Like, and we all have our three different ones and, you know, we spill over and all that. But like, you know, Brandon Orr, I mean, always forget about always forget about Humes and. The entire backfield of 2010 you could put on this list. You could and we completely, we had a great season, but with those three guys in the backfield it should have been a significantly even more. I think somebody mentioned earlier, was it Curtis or Brian that was talking about Cyrus, Cyrus Law, Cyrus Lawrence, Cyrus Lawrence. 3746 is is 373767 is the number all time leading runner running back attack not even mentioned and he could have did more damage.

1:15:10 If you look back in his stats, he only played five games in 1982, his senior season. Yep, his numbers were nuts. And like I said, you know, he's on a, on a squad to Bruce Smith. You know, they were, they were, they were definitely the the kingpins on either side of the ball there. I mean. It's this is like, I mean, I'll throw a couple names out that we don't think about that were really good running backs like Travion McMillan. Yeah. Travion Travion 1000 yard season. Ran them off. Ran them off. Ran them off. Sharon stiff not even mentioned on here.

1:15:52 Rushed for 1100 yards at 99 as running back. One Andre Kendrick had 898 or 900 yard that year. So this was like the toughest room. But it's also one of those rooms depending on how you looked at it. Like I think you look at all of our lists, all three of ours, it's like I told you all, I wanted speed. I feel like my opinion, I think Shelton, you got like the most balanced room because if you get down to the three yard line, there are no questions. You are going to score a touchdown with a running back. No question, just like Sheldon scored but it but it but like I think bass bass master put it up a little while ago.

1:16:38 This was fun. Like this was a lot of fun because you start going in there and you start thinking about it. And now I'm looking back Tally Jim tally, look at the screen. Look what Jim got here. Yeah, I can't even think about. Untouchables with Mike Untouchables with Mike with Mike. Crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, so we appreciate y'all definitely chiming in tonight. Again, this was a lot of fun. We are going to come back. I don't know when. It might be next month. It might be July. We'll do defense. Robbie, you've been invited to come on with this one. Anything else?

1:17:21 Apparently, Per per a text from our music man Jason, And per new King, I guess the Knicks choked another one away tonight while we were sitting here talking. Oh Lord, I. Paid attention to nothing. Yeah, they did. Of course they did. Yeah, they down 3. One, were they down? No. Were they down? Let's see. I'm. I'm pulling up some here. Yep. Yes, so 3. 131 That's too funny. All right, Well boy, there we go. There we go. All right, well, if y'all got nothing else, let's rough up the night so we can all get in bed by 11:30. That wraps up this episode of the Boundary Corner Podcast, brought to you by the Counts Family Pharmacy in Blacksburg. I'm Curtis Wilson.

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1:18:53 He'll be playing 12 to One down there. Anything else boys, before we wrap it up? Nah, man. Just appreciate everybody for joining tonight. It's been a lot of fun chopping this up and getting everybody's input on what we think and what y'all think. Yeah, yeah, I got a little. I got a little bit of homework for you chat. I think Bass Masterminder put it up earlier. He wants to know what the spread will be going into the South Carolina game. So just for fun, do a little research, send us, let us know what y'all think spreads going to look like moving into that game. We'll talk about it one day. We will, we will as we draw closer to the end of August. And with that being said, we appreciate y'all out there for listening, for chiming in.

1:19:41 And as always, let's go.