This week we welcome for the first time as Sports Data Analyst for the Boundary Corner Podcast Shelton Moss to talk men's and women's hoops and the upcoming ACC tournament. We also air our interview with Coach Fontel Mines as he talks winter workouts, Spring practice expectations, and how he was able to flip his position group through the transfer portal this off season. We wrap up by discussing who we'd like to see step into the recently vacated quarterback and offensive line coaching roles for the Hokies.

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And welcome back to the boundary
Corner podcast along with my

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partners Brian siglo Shelton
Moss, Jonathan tally.

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Having all y'all here.

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This is White's with us tonight
and we are going to go through a

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bunch of stuff.
Obviously we got a ton of

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football stuff that I know we
got to find tell Minds interview

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later on tonight but we're going
to start with basketball for a

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couple reasons.
A, the Hokies have one game

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left.
The ACC tournament is next week

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the with Start play tomorrow in
the ACC tournament so Sheldon,

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welcome back has the road been
brother, it's been okay.

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You know, it's been kind of an
up-and-down basketball season.

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I know the men beat Louisville,
couple nights ago.

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They had me worried there for a
sec there, a dump up I think

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three with like 10 minutes left
and went to like a 4C, nothing

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run to to get the dub but yeah,
just been, it's been a tough

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season man.
But we'll see what happened

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mean.
It's March.

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So, anything could happen in the
ACC tournament.

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Anything can happen in Before we
get into sort of what kind of

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going to Deep dive of the Season
tonight, Shelton's been pulling

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data points and we've got some
questions.

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We want to ask him and kind of
figure out, why is this team

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where they are.
Because as we said here, just

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for we, got home.
Tally was mentioning how He it's

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like what the football teams,
your daughter, you'll never

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spank her but the basketball
teams like your son and you'll

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take the behind the Woodshed, be
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So we're trying to figure out
why but before we get into all

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of that, I want to talk about
actually some really good news

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in shall not.
Let you go a little bit more on

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this but got a pretty big
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Just the other day.
AJ Swinton small 46 585 from

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Sierra Canyon High School.
He's for those who do not know

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that is where Ronnie James
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That is a really good
basketball, high school, three

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star by 24/7, a composite
four-star, right at the top 100

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in the composite Shelton.
You had a chance to kind of.

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Look at this guy.
I mean, what does he bring for

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the Hokies in the future?
Yeah, very talented kid.

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Athletic like you said, he is a
three-star for started.

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Ending on, you know, kind of
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And I think once you get outside
like the top 80 top 90s cut on

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you know there's no real
difference but he is a very

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projectable at the college level
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thereabouts He's listed as a
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sort of like a Justin mutts type
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some some Daris maximum and that
he's you know, long and

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obviously athletic.
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as you know, how we committed.
Obviously, he used to play at

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the Matha which was where Mike
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coach.
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connection there.
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on the team and there's a quote
from AJ we said, you know,

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talking about my kind of
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He said it's a free-flowing
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you can tell that they're well
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half court.
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you a sense of what, you know,
this is going to come and it's

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not just like some freak athlete
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I like he's going to play Within
the offense, you know, very high

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IQ player.
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I think despite his high ranking
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guy, you know.
Maybe you your red shirt on for

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one year and then kind of Get
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So there's going to be some sort
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development there.
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come in.
I don't think and just, you

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know, start right away.
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type of recruit, but he is very,
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I think the future of Virginia
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the guard position is looking
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The I love here that I'm as we

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look at a guy like him, you
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Mike young.
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type of length that also has
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since he's been a Virginia Tech.
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isil but I think that is the
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So was not a great shooter.
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see, you know, he wasn't getting
playing time and wanted so he

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transferred out you had, you
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think.
It's when a little bit longer

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and, you know, obviously there
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he's going to provide so far
yet, but I would imagine he's a

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little bit more athletic and
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Just what you know, what it
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then Ronnie rice to find the
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Just, you know, in terms of like
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sets.
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can kind of clogged up passing
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So I mean rice is probably like
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very much like a we're not used
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recruits typically under the Mi
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little bit here.
Yeah, now Shelton, glad you're

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here.
I'm gonna put you on the spot a

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little bit.
Okay, I'll get on Facebook the

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other day and I don't even know
if this person was a Virginia

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Tech fan, I see in a big banner
brawny.

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James is looking at Virginia.
Tech, do you want to talk about

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that sir?
I don't know, man.

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I don't know.
I just I'm hearing some rumors.

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That his teammate Aegis win.
What he wants to play with his

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teammate.
A just went over at Sierra

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Canyon, okay?
I cannot confirm or deny, those

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rumors.
All I can say is, you know,

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check your sources.
Make sure you look at the

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reputable replica has a, she was
ah, damn Source.

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I'm not sharing that.
Yeah, I just say, it's always,

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you know, look for the blue.
Check the blue.

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Check on Twitter for the, the
orange, check our the square.

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I don't know what it is.
Whatever you like, whatever,

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check your legacy, check marks
before you start.

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All right, I'm going right in
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About to go and put it from my
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I heard Bernie is coming y'all.
So obviously tally going to be

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getting us in trouble real
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G zp z i like spicy spicy.
Well I heard LeBron James has

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eligibility.
He's going to come play with

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brawny at Tech.
I mean you know let's just throw

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him.
He's got four years.

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Let's go.
This way, we got some now

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questions.
Let's get into this season and

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let's talk about some things
about why have we been 17 and 13

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in?
Especially why has it been, you

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know, since an 11 and 1 start is
the team now, you know, 6 and 12

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in the last 18.
Brian, I know you got one right

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out the gate.
You want to hit Sheldon with,

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yeah.
This one kind of has been

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rolling around for a while.
I know we got the the double,

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the road against Louisville but
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in ACC play in the road contest.
When you looked at the data

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shown and you see any metrics
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sista sista cool significance,
in terms of variation from home

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games versus away games, I don't
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I was looking at some numbers
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that Virginia Tech was about
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terms of net increase in Agency
at home, compared to on the

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road.
Meaning, you know, they're not

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that much more efficient at
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So I think, you know, some of
the road struggles might be a

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little bit overblown, just in
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there in every game.
They're just losing the close

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games are not finishing,
finishing it out, it was in

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college.
I went to overtime Clemson.

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They lost the last S 3 so I
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involved, honestly.
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of the most is probably just a
shooting splits, like Tech has

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been a pretty bad shooting team
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We saw that against Clemson
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Defensive performance of the
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with their worst offensive
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Syracuse.
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from three and one of those was
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So you know when you're on the
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that's you know, kind of built
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games down the stretch, really
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We're also talked about, I mean,
just kind of staying on what

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you're doing that.
Now you've done a lot of

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research and that's kind of your
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I guess.
The, what about the like the

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point of entry infants is when
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and offensive rebound layups,
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I mean, I think if we Deep dive
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a story as well.
Please, please make me feel like

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my eyes haven't fooled me all
year, Sheldon on that, because I

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swear every time I see this
team, we were missing.

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Literally point-blank shots
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defended.
So what's the data say or the

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data says your eyes.
Unfortunately might be following

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you a little bit.
We I was like it's so weird.

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I think we rank like 60 sec in
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Like you know it's around like
60% converting layups which you

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Like I said this year where it's

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just gone completely off the
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Like, you know, Georgia Tech you
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probably like kind of
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of Of how good we are in that.
And that category, and I don't

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have the data for this, but
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conference.
But it's different than, you

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know, the entire season when
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during the non-conference
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So, I honestly like my, I mean,
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bit, but my biggest concern is
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to the free-throw line.
Like Tech is, you know,

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traditionally under Mike young,
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of drawing free throws.
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were like three bottom forty, I
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yeah, in the country.
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So that's you know that's kind
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We just don't we just don't
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And so you just it's hard to you
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get yourself in, you know,
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Give you a two in foul trouble.
That that's my biggest concern.

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Like I think the layups kind of
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the lack of lack of gain to line
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Well yeah because that kind of
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motion offense versus more.
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basically a so mi kyung doesn't
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can shoot that, you know, can

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can dribble that can handle the
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He's always emphasize skill over
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recruiting not always, but
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So obviously with emotion-based
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the ball, you're passing around,
you want to get three pointers

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and and post-ops those are
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you know, you cut that this
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Its not like where you just give
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clean up the dribble.
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what?
Iris Radford a guy like that but

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for the most part you know he
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ball once the pass the ball.
So you're just not going to Lot

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of draw penetration.
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percentages, we're looking at,
probably at liar bias, on those

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like handful of games where it
just looks pretty, pretty awful.

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Yeah, I think so well, I mean,
I'm looking here just pulled up

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the Miami, you know, box score
and absolutely right Sheldon.

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I mean, they shot the free throw
shot, 19, free, throws a game

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where text only shooting 7, they
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Tech goes for 6 from the line as
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So to your point right there, I
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difference in.
We look at the stats and say

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right there.
Well, you lost by six.

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You shoot more free, throws
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Maybe a win.
Let me ask this though because

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something I did a little
research on.

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Yes, I did do research in
basketball.

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Yeah.
So good about myself is I

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decided to go through to find
the rebound margins.

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And basically Tech ranked 194 in
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Basically, zero, basically 50/50
pitiful.

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It's pitiful but it's not quite
For the course, but then I look

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at a game.
Like the Miami game.

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Another great example, Miami,
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the significant, it looks like
how big was our differential in

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offensive rebounding for this
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Offensive rebounding.
I don't I think we are usually

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middle of the pack.
I can put the numbers up quick

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so we are yeah, about a little
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terms of offensive rebounding,
okay?

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So, you know, not not great,
like you said, yeah.

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And then 194 slightly under
roughly middle of the country.

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But if you're saying nine, that
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in the, you know, aspects of the
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And again, it was some games.
Then again, my eyes aren't

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fooling me.
Because you're giving me the

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data backing it up.
There were some games.

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It looks like they just didn't
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It was just like I understand a
long rebound is what it is.

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Everybody here has played some
sort of basketball or play

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Pick-up Games where somebody
shoots you shouting.

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So long rebound, ain't nothing
to do about that but it's when

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you're seeing the ball right
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and that's where it's like.
Come on guys and I know you know

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what do you attest that to is it
just the coaching style is it?

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This is just the bodies we have
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influence a little bit both when
it comes to those Services

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splits like you know turnovers
free-throws rebounds, a lot of

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it is based on the scheme in the
style, you know.

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It's no different than football
like, are you a big play

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offense?
You know, if you're if you're a

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quarterback who plays in a big
play offense, you're probably

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have a low completion
percentage, but it doesn't

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necessarily mean that you're a
bad quarterback, it just means

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that you're going to go for like
the All or Nothing types of

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throws.
So, with rebounding, it's

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probably just, you know, as I
don't know what Mike young

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strategy is in rebounding, but
my guess is he probably doesn't

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want guys.
Crashing the boards too hard,

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you know, just as one example if
you guys I don't know if you

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guys watch MBA but the rates of
offensive rebounding, the MBR

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actually had at historical lows
and the reason for that is

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because a lot of teams just want
to get back intron on defense.

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They don't want to give up
transition opportunities because

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what happens is if you crash the
glass and you don't get the

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rebound that allows the the
offense to get out in transition

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and position scoring the other
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So that's kind of where the
strategy part plays into it.

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And, I mean, yeah, it's just
kind of, you know, his The way

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that, you know, a coach likes to
play.

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So yeah.
So pretty much like I'm on like

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a fan.
So I guess watching watching the

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Lakers and watching ad, he's up
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lot.
You know with him being a

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7-footer, he's up around the
three-point line, a lot more

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than I want him to be.
And I think that kind of goes

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the same way with the Hokies
somebody like Grandpa silly, you

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know, because he shoots the ball
so well he's up.

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Around that three-point line a
lot either looking for a shot

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or, you know, setting a pick for
somebody else to get a shot.

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So I think similar to what
you're saying they're showing is

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that, you know, when he's there,
I mean you got to get back

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because you're pretty much
playing safety to get back if

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they get that rebound because
they're going to get out in

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transition.
So when you have your big men

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that stretch the floor, like
that, you don't have your big

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man rebound and is that, that
kind of, what you, what, you

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see.
Yes, that's a great point and

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one that I didn't even think
Kyle, but yes, if you have a,

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you know, tech place small
anyway, like you got much to six

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foot seven at the for bacilli.
658 of the fiber is really more

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like a stretch for facilities at
the three-point line.

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Well he's not getting offensive
rebounds so I mean he shoots a

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lot of Threes.
He's one of the best three-point

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dream.
Big one in the country for his

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for his size.
If you look guys for six foot

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eight there are not a lot of 64,
the guys who shoot threes like

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the silly.
So I mean of course in the

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morning shooting three is the
less rebounds is getting and

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that's again that's just a
stylistic preference.

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Very nice.
So I think the next thing I love

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did put this in and I'm hoping
you had a chance to look it up.

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Was give me the best plus-minus
guys give me the top three.

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Give me the bottom three is far
as that goes with the team

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because that's just a tallish.
It's tough for me to find.

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I don't have all the data but I
know plus minus is always

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telling because okay the guy's a
plus it's like you can put him

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on the floor any time any
Situation.

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It's going to come out on that
positive.

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It doesn't, it isn't, you know,
- what's wrong?

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Can we not score, or is he not
good defensively?

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So who's our who's our guys?
They're not targeting anybody,

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but just kind of painting that
picture.

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Well, it's a definitely basilius
the best just because of his

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ability to score from multiple
levels and you know defensively

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as well he's going to get, you
know, a lot of rebounds and like

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all those blocks for stats that
kind of juice is, you know,

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Advanced metrics and stuff like
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Much is up there too.
Obviously Couture, I think

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Couture's little bit different
because he like, he's efficient

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but he also does so many things
that don't show up in a box

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score.
So, you know, it is his values,

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not necessary always reflected
in the statistical metrics and

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as I think, Padula, kind of
middle of the pack, like he

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scores a lot, but he's not very
efficient, kind of a

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high-volume.
Three-point shooter has not shot

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the ball.
Well, from three this year, I

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think he's play a little bit too
much hero ball.

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Not shot selection is a little
bit hit or miss.

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And then if you look at the
bottom You know, I think empty

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Collins has struggled, you know,
freshman freshman gonna hit a

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wall, sometimes his three-point
shot hasn't really been there.

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You know, offensively he's not a
guy that defense is really going

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to key in on.
So you know, he's one guy that I

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think obviously, you know, even
understand like there's going to

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be some Growing Pains as a
freshman you come in and and he

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was always going to be like,
more of a developmental guy,

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because you expected rise to be
there, you know, filling in that

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the backup point guard spot and
and you figure Maddox as well,

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if he hadn't had A family
situation with rice and Max.

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And there is guards Collins
would not be getting minutes

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that he's getting and same for
the for Camden as well.

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So it's just kind of situation
where the lack of guard depth

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has forced.
Younger guys, that are not ready

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for the minutes like rice,
excuse me, Collins of Camden, to

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step up into the role so they
should not be playing in.

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So Yeah, let me ask this so I'm
our official luck ranking.

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What is that right now?
It is at I believe three 40th,

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I'll double check to confirm.
Okay.

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It's so everyone knows there's
three hundred and fifty eight

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teams in the NCAA division. 1 re
actually 58 358 this year so our

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keeps going up 340.
So like bottom 20 essentially.

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All right.
Can you talk a little bit more

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about how that's how they derive
that and how that's affected the

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Hokies?
Yeah.

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So it's kind of a tricky
subject.

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I think there's a lot of I
guess, maybe you might say you

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know, frustration between likes
the sort of like analytics crowd

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versus you know the the eye test
crowd with a metric like luck.

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It's basically just you know how
many what percent of your close

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games are you winning?
Relative to, you know, all the

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other games.
So if you have a really bad

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record in close games, your luck
metric is going to be bad.

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If you're very good in close
games.

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Generally speaking, your luck is
going to be very good Tech, has

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been very unfortunate this year.
They are 1 in 5 and Conference

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games decided by five points or
less.

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Whereas you'll get a team like
pit.

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They are second place in the ACC
I think and they are six and one

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in games decided by five points
or less.

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So you just look at that
differential right there.

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I mean, that's I mean, that's a
difference of the standings.

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Like that's, that's all there is
to it.

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Um, let me just tell you
something Shelton.

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Virginia Tech has a bad luck
ranking in all sports.

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If you go back and look at some
football games, I look rating is

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at the bottom two, but let's
continue.

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Yeah, yeah, I think we could.
Yeah, we could go on, hold

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tension about that.
But I think, you know, typically

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with it was stats like this, you
have to kind of get like a large

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sample size.
Like look over multiple years of

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data, Tech was pretty
unfortunate with luck Lassie.

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Even until the ACC tournament,
we're just, you know, kind of

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that stretch in late February,
early March or kind of turned it

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all around.
This year's team is not seen

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such a turn around, and I think
that could probably be due to

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Personnel probably due to
coaching and obviously some luck

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involved as well.
So, you know, with, with a stat

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like that, I mean, Kim beom you
who created the status said,

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like, it's not a perfect stat.
You know, there's no such thing

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as a perfect stat.
There's not, there's always

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gonna be some sort of balance
of, you know, Personnel,

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coaching decisions, and all
that, you know, who you're

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playing matchups, all that
stuff, so it Plays into it.

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I would hope that it would
improve next year.

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If it does not if we're, if
we're 344 next year, then I

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would have some serious
reservations then it's will

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reservations about the coaching
staff is like you can

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continuously be bad luck without
something being on the coaching

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staff there.
And, by the way, Sheldon, it's

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not 20%.
We're in the bottom eight

442
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,500
percent of luck, we're
literally.

443
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,500
Yeah, I did the math on that.
I mean, it's just brutal to see,

444
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,000
but like you say, you know,
where does he come from?

445
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,900
Where does, You get to a point
where it's not looking.

446
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:52,800
Exactly.
You are who you are.

447
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,600
You can't close close games out,
you struggle in those situations

448
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,600
and and that's what we've seen
so much this year.

449
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,700
And I think it's so much.
It's not, it's not so much.

450
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,700
You know, we lose a close game
to Miami Valley, set it on here,

451
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,800
10 days ago, Miami's a good
team.

452
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,700
You lost 1 by 6, okay?
It is what it is.

453
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:13,600
It's the Georgia Tech's.
It's the Boston College's.

454
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,500
It's struggling with the Notre.
Dame, who have the worst?

455
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,300
I mean I think Sheldon brought
up a good point when he said,

456
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,400
It, he talked about last year's
team and it kind of takes us to

457
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,500
our next Point as well.
He talked about, you know, we

458
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:31,000
had some contributors last year
is stepped up in crunch time.

459
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,800
And pretty much, you know, want
to stay ACC Championship.

460
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,100
So another point they will ask
you showed, what do you, who do

461
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:42,600
you think we, you know, we
missed the most off of a team

462
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600
like last year's team, you know,
you had a storm Murphy there.

463
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,500
You had Kevin Loomer Eileen, who
do you Think we missed the most.

464
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,900
Yeah.
So that's actually good.

465
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:53,600
A good setup for the next set of
had.

466
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,100
So I think one of the most
underrated stats from last

467
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:59,400
year's team during the stretch
run, where Tech started to win.

468
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400
I think they finished 13 and 3,
some of that in the last, you

469
00:24:02,408 --> 00:24:05,900
know, 16, whatever it was during
that stretch storm, Murphy

470
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,800
average, 20 minutes per game.
So, if you have a point guard,

471
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,400
averaging, 20 minutes per game,
you know, that does a huge.

472
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,800
That's, that's you shrimp terms
of just, you know, his ability

473
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,800
to, you know, stay stay fresh.
Not be fatigued.

474
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,300
You had some Padula come off the
bench.

475
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,600
I mean, there are multiple games
last year where Sean Padula

476
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,500
played more minutes and storm
Murphy.

477
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:25,800
So that kind of one-two punch a
point guard, really helped them

478
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,800
a lot and sure there's just, you
know, preserving preserving

479
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,600
their legs.
Whereas you look at this year's

480
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,500
team, I mean but those playing
literally the entire game and

481
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,500
rice, you know, he's only going
to give you a few minutes there.

482
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:37,500
He's pretty much put those
pretty much the only, you know,

483
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,200
polish point guard you have.
So I think if I were to answer

484
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,800
your question, I actually think
Nikki Malin was an underrated

485
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,200
Miss, and I say that, like, I
owe him an apology because I was

486
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,200
kind of overlooking how, you
know, how much we miss them?

487
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,100
I obviously didn't anticipate,
you know, losing Rodney rice and

488
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:56,800
there's Max from a majority of
the Season.

489
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,400
Battalion is a guy that's he's a
good Defender.

490
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,500
He can shoot the three well not
as better than a lot of people

491
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:07,200
give him credit for, you know,
he can he can score little bit,

492
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,300
he can drive a little bit, he
was a guy that just based on

493
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,500
injury is like you I mean we we
love to have a guy like that.

494
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,700
At and now she's doing Murphy.
I think it's just his not that

495
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,500
he's, you know, as a higher
ceiling and Padula but just the

496
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:20,700
fact that you played my
consistent for multiple years,

497
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,500
the fact that he was experienced
a fifth-year senior and kind of

498
00:25:23,508 --> 00:25:26,200
just you know, the leadership
aspect I think was also was also

499
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,100
missing from this year's team.
You look at Italy know it feels

500
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:33,200
like this team is missing that
kind of 3 and D type player yet

501
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,200
on the wing so I can definitely
see.

502
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000
We're having him on board
especially you know, when you

503
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,100
look at Maddox being out for an
extended period of time, you can

504
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:44,800
see there's a big hole there so
I can definitely see where.

505
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,500
That would be big.
Let's let's pivot a little bit

506
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,900
because we got we got one game
to go with the regular season.

507
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,900
Then we get in the ACC
tournament.

508
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:58,200
I don't think anyone's for
seeing a big run.

509
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:02,100
Like we saw last year out of
this team but you know, what do

510
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,300
you think this team can do in
the ACC tournament?

511
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,000
It's gonna be tough man.
It's gonna be tough because

512
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,300
you're most likely going to be
an 11 seed UD matchup against

513
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,800
the 14, which would be Notre
Dame right now in the first

514
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,700
round matchup, which, you know,
I think Tech matched up very

515
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:18,100
well against Notre Dame and the
Irish have been pretty bad this

516
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,000
season.
That's fine.

517
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,800
The problem is, if you want to
make a Deep Run, you got to win

518
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,300
five games in five nights and
that's just I I cannot see that

519
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,700
happening at all.
So, I mean, maybe they say, I

520
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,700
mean, there's a shocking.
A 2011 Yukon did it, but they

521
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,100
had Kemba Walker in their team
so yeah, I don't know if it's

522
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,200
the best comparison there.
Yeah, it's just the thing is, I

523
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,900
if you're if you're a
glass-half-full type of person,

524
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:40,700
there's really no one in this
lie.

525
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,400
That scares me just from, you
know, what, we've seen from

526
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,800
Tech, like they can be, anyone,
they can lose to anyone.

527
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,200
Like I don't look at any team,
it's like, oh my God.

528
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,100
Like if we if we play them,
we're screwed.

529
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,100
Like, no, this is not.
It's not, it's not a greatly.

530
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:55,200
I think you can beat any team in
any given night.

531
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,200
So from that perspective, I
guess if you're an optimist he'd

532
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,800
say yeah Technica deep.
I'm good.

533
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,700
So good, so good.
All the other 14 teams, That's

534
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,400
true and right now the the game
with Florida State on Saturday

535
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,400
afternoon does hold between the
11th and the 12th.

536
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,500
So, you know, I think the 12
seeds going to play Georgia

537
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:13,300
Tech, who we've already lost two
once.

538
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,700
But who do we play out of it.
If, if tech were to win next

539
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,400
Tuesday, and that's one reason
we're not recording next

540
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,300
Tuesday, folks is because when I
looked at the schedule is like,

541
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,100
will you bring Sheldon when we
talk about this?

542
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,300
Wait a second.
No, we don't get a by this year

543
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,800
because we can't be one of the
best 19th in the ACC.

544
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,000
But where is it looking like
Shelton?

545
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,200
Let's say we land the 11.
We get.

546
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,200
We play Notre Dame in the first.
Who are we going to match up

547
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,500
against going?
You know, for worst?

548
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,600
What's the path?
Yeah, so you would match up

549
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,000
against the six seed, which
currently is, let's see.

550
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,300
One, two, three other the NC
State.

551
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,200
So, I mean look like said, you
know, they lost lost in sea

552
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
State without a hunter, Couture
a back in January, at home by a

553
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,900
few points.
Yeah.

554
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,700
Again like I said, you can be
anyone on any given night.

555
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,200
You know, this is a topic that
topic for another day but I

556
00:28:04,208 --> 00:28:06,300
just, I don't think they see
he's good at all this year.

557
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,400
I really don't.
I mean, you got five dollars,

558
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,300
five teams, maybe that'll make
the tournament unc's not going

559
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,300
to make it unless they beat Duke
on Saturday.

560
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,200
Yeah, it's just, it's not a
great conference.

561
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,000
So from that perspective, you
know, anything can happen, it's,

562
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,600
this is a year of turnover in
the ACC, after what happened

563
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,600
last year, when people felt like
a couple teams got, shafted not

564
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,600
getting put in the tournament
and then you look and there's

565
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,900
two in the final four for in the
sweet 16.

566
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,200
And in the bad part was what?
Every case, every ACC team won

567
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
the first round except Tech last
year, they would seven and one

568
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,300
in the first round or something
like that, which was insane.

569
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,600
But, you know, I think overall,
if we kind of we're putting the

570
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,500
bow on it, we're 30 minutes in
now about where I thought we'd

571
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:55,300
be but it seems like it's not
just one aspect, it's not

572
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:56,800
getting to the free-throw line
enough.

573
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,300
It's being slightly negative in
offensive rebounds, it's missing

574
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,800
players.
It's you know to my chagrin.

575
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,800
It's not layups.
I was hoping you'd be like we're

576
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,300
dead last and layups and I can
be like, well, there's a reason

577
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,900
we don't make short shots.
Yeah.

578
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,500
What?
I mean, y'all feel That way

579
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:15,100
fellas that it's not like one
thing.

580
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:20,000
It's just it's all these little
things that basically it wasn't

581
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,800
all five or six at every game.
It was always three or four and

582
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,500
we all thinking run.
Yeah.

583
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,500
I think some of its shown spoken
to him but being stretched a

584
00:29:29,508 --> 00:29:32,700
little bit thinner than I think
we anticipated, especially in

585
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:38,100
the guard feel there.
I think we felt not good about

586
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,000
the that area of the team coming
into the year in terms of depth,

587
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:44,400
And then obviously that got
significantly worse with the

588
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,400
rice injury and then, you know,
you had Max go down.

589
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,900
So there's, there's just been
some inconsistency with guys

590
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,000
playing outside there.
And, you know, we you combine

591
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,300
that with a little bit of
inconsistency here and there

592
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,700
again, not getting to the
free-throw line, not being able

593
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:02,000
to rebound as much as you'd
like.

594
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400
And I think just the combination
of those things is really kind

595
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,900
of kind of put us behind the
eight ball and some games

596
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,400
especially as we try to close
some close ones out.

597
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,300
Callie has you shake your head?
I want to remain optimistic

598
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,400
about the about the basketball
team.

599
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,200
But one word, man, effort, like,
when I watch some games, I

600
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,600
don't, you know, I love Mi
kyung.

601
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,000
I love what he what, he's
brought to the team, but I feel

602
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,100
like efforts are coaching thing
and I just watch them play.

603
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,800
Sometimes when you talk about
those long rebounds, and we

604
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,000
don't have anybody, Going for
more, we don't have anybody you

605
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,600
know, getting on the floor just
you know, fighting for that

606
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,800
extra possession.
It's a effort thing.

607
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,900
You know, you got to have the
coaching style has to has to

608
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,900
demand that and I feel like that
had been there.

609
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,200
So again, I like my gun.
So I'm going to lay off of him

610
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,800
tonight.
I'm going to watch him before

611
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,600
the ACC last year.
He gets it.

612
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:27,900
But
what are your one or two points

613
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,800
to say?
The reason this team isn't 24

614
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,000
and 324 and seven or 23 and you
know twenty three and eight,

615
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,900
make it into the NCAA tournament
with these is because Just

616
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,400
because of I think it's a cent
to boil down Andrews and defense

617
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,900
man.
I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm

618
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,900
not big on making excuses but
you miss rice for a little bit.

619
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,600
You miss Couture of a little
bit, you miss Max for a little

620
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,300
bit, you know, those those mrs.
Add up and, you know, I don't

621
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,600
think it's the sole reason.
Certainly, not the tech is in

622
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,500
the position.
They're in their defense has

623
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,800
absolutely falling off a cliff
over the past, couple months

624
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,900
there 100.
And what is it 128 in Camp on

625
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,700
defense?
I mean, there's only 70.

626
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:07,900
There's only like 70, major
Converse.

627
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,500
Seems like, that's just not,
that's not good enough.

628
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,200
So, Part of that could be, you
know, shortage of depth.

629
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400
And the guys are getting tired.
Mike has never been a great, you

630
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,900
know, defensive coach.
So, you know, you give them a

631
00:32:17,908 --> 00:32:20,400
little bit of a free pass there,
but I just think it's a

632
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,100
combination of, you know, the
events being bad.

633
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:24,700
The three-point shooting wasn't
there.

634
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,400
I think the duel is still
learning to like, how to be a

635
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,500
more polished point guard.
Like I said, shot selection that

636
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,100
question.
Sometimes leadership, I question

637
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,800
sometimes I look at a guy like
the Doula I just don't see that

638
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,000
sort of like floor General
leadership all the time.

639
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Kind of what Tally was saying.
And you know, Mike is very

640
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
hands-off as a coach from my
perception of him.

641
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,100
Like he's not going to
micromanage the offense, you

642
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,000
have to do stats.
He's just gonna go and like guys

643
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
play and they got it.
They got to make plays and I

644
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,600
just don't think we've had
enough of that to season.

645
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,900
So the good news is we're not
far off.

646
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,700
We've lost a lot of close games.
This year, we get healthy next

647
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:01,800
year get some recruits in we can
be rolling but this this this is

648
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,500
just been sort of like a
Murphy's Law type of year where

649
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,700
everything kind of goes wrong
and the only player not coming

650
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:10,800
back.
Next year is Justin A mutt,

651
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
correct, correct.
Assuming that the only player

652
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,900
cannot come back.
Cannot come back.

653
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Yes, cannot awesome.
All right, well, let's flip

654
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,500
over, let's talk real quick
about the women's Hoops team,

655
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,100
who will play tomorrow evening
down in Greensboro for the ACC

656
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,700
women's tournament and over the
last couple weeks, you know,

657
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:31,800
some really great moments.
And I mean, I got to see the

658
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,200
kitley dagger down at UNC, where
they had not played a good game

659
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,400
and she comes off that for some
reason and I'm still Trying to

660
00:33:40,408 --> 00:33:43,400
figure this out, watching that
defensive set kill.

661
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
He's one of the probably the
obviously the best player in the

662
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,800
ACC will talk about the most one
of the best players in the

663
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,500
country.
How do you come off of her?

664
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,900
In that situation?
It's just like because the girl

665
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,600
like she's looking at it and she
looks left.

666
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,800
And Kinley comes around, makes
explain.

667
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,800
That didn't make any sense.
I mean, I wasn't in the Huddle

668
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,500
man looking for They look like
they miss me a kitten on some

669
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,100
sort of switch.
I don't know why you wouldn't,

670
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,800
you know have all eyes locked on
here.

671
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,100
It's just yeah, I don't know.
I mean they went to the player

672
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,600
who's coming to the three top of
the three-point line them and

673
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,500
kind of left her there open.
I just they forgot off the best

674
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,500
player in the ACC.
Whatever's gonna happen when you

675
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:31,000
have multiple multiple threats
on the floor and you got Georgia

676
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,100
there, you got kitley, I mean
they've got a good solid team

677
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,300
you know, they've got G is the
best.

678
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,500
Today, CeeCee of course she
wasn't the one no war, but you

679
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,800
got other all-acc players on
that team as well.

680
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,500
So many fucks you up, you know,
you can't, you can't Zone in on

681
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:52,600
one person, but it looked like a
miscommunication, like Sheldon,

682
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,199
say it.
I mean, you kind of seen the

683
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,699
players.
Look at each other, like, what

684
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,000
were you doing?
What were you doing?

685
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
So yeah, I think it was just a
miscommunication on the switch.

686
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,600
That's why.
Yes, and Kelly went out there

687
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,600
and she took over the all-time
points record as well.

688
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,100
Well, in that game.
So that was a, it was a big game

689
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,800
all around and then they turned
around and close it out in that

690
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,100
trap game against Georgia Tech.
And that took them to the best

691
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,600
finish for the Hokies women's
basketball history.

692
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,800
That's bunch of big moments kind
of happened in the last week.

693
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
For that women's day.
I think this team is really

694
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,500
peaking at the right time, you
know, they had some I wouldn't

695
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,700
say struggles but, Some ups and
downs relative to their

696
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:34,800
potential.
I think we all knew what the

697
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,200
potential of this team was
coming to the season but they've

698
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,100
really started clicking.
You can tell Georgia a Moore's

699
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,700
playing a lot better.
She's Distributing a lot better.

700
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,900
She's, you know, she she had a
stretch where she couldn't miss

701
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,500
from three kill.
He's, you know, obviously done a

702
00:35:48,508 --> 00:35:50,800
great job.
You've got Bo been support from

703
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Asia.
Greg, Taylor Guymon who

704
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,000
historically has been kind of
like a sort of back-end guard is

705
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,700
double some entries this year,
but she's confident.

706
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:00,400
She's done a pretty nice job in
her role.

707
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,100
So, I mean, Then click and you
got, you got death you got to

708
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,900
start down at the top.
This team is really linked to

709
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,500
their full potential.
You have you until you already

710
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,300
mentioned Georgia was first team
kitley player of the year first

711
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,300
team and then take a look at the
grad transfer with Taylor's

712
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,300
tool.
If Shelton you said it a few

713
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,700
weeks ago, tally you said it
last week and it's clearly

714
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,300
there, they got some really good
players out of the portal that

715
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,700
has really complemented the top
two players.

716
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,000
And, you know, right now I've I
looked this up today on In.

717
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,400
They are a number two, projected
seed.

718
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,000
We got away from us, are with
you all the other day, the South

719
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Carolina bracket and we have
been moved to the Indiana

720
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
bracket.
You said it a few weeks ago,

721
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,900
Sheldon you thought this is an
elite 18.

722
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:52,100
If we stay in the, we stay at
the Indiana bracket, dare you

723
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,400
say, could they take the step
and go?

724
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,400
He definitely could.
Now that being said India is

725
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,100
very, very good.
Like they are.

726
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,300
If you, I mean, if you look at
someone like the, you know, the

727
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,000
Metrics like they're absolutely
top three team in the country.

728
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,600
I think Tech is more like, you
know, top top eight top nine

729
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,800
somewhere in there.
But yeah, it getting out of the

730
00:37:09,808 --> 00:37:12,100
South Carolina bracket I will
say is huge because they are by

731
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,500
far.
Like they are they are better

732
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,100
than your if you're not a huge
one, is about 12 in like they're

733
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,000
better than Georgian football.
Yes, sir.

734
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Like there.
I mean it's 27 and know,

735
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,500
whatever.
They like every game they win by

736
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,100
30 points.
It's just, it's ridiculous.

737
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,300
So you want to you deftly want
to avoid them at all costs.

738
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:29,500
As not see them until as late as
possible in the tournament.

739
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,900
Yep.
And for the ladies again it is

740
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,800
do you're going to be playing
the winner of the Boston

741
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,500
College.
Miami game.

742
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:41,300
That game I believe is actually
might be wrapped up already.

743
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,700
So we may know who the winner is
to make an effort that while I'm

744
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:51,000
at for Dean efforting efforting.
But either way, it's been a

745
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,600
great season.
Clearly, they will.

746
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,500
I don't, I think even a screw up
tomorrow night.

747
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,200
They're still going to be
hosting a regional in

748
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,900
Blacksburg.
We discussed it.

749
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,100
God, just don't let some seem
shoots out of their minds from

750
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:11,400
three-point range in that time
frame, because that's the only

751
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,300
thing that stopped at last year.
So, has that game ended the

752
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,500
Boston College.
Miami game, Austin College.

753
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,400
Miami.
That's still going on about five

754
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,700
minutes left.
Yep.

755
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Miami's up 71-62.
Okay, well, we'll get some

756
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,700
chalk.
Yeah, it looks like Miami

757
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,700
should, hold on.
But so again, that's going to be

758
00:38:31,707 --> 00:38:36,300
tomorrow night on the Acca
Network 8:00, I'll definitely

759
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,500
try to catch it.
Yeah, you know, it's bedtime

760
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:39,600
here.
Tyler knows.

761
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Tally text me like, hey, can we
jump all real quick?

762
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,500
Dude it bedtime in this house
for the kids.

763
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,600
I'm in a war right now.
So yeah so you know looking for

764
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,000
look at y'all chuckling right
and you know it Ryan you've been

765
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,100
there.
Yeah.

766
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,100
I just got the one though.
You got 13.

767
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,700
So what we're going to do now,
y'all gelatin.

768
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Appreciate all the insides, all
the stuff you're not leaving

769
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:05,600
because we want your opinions on
some of this football stuff,

770
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,900
we're going to be talking about
here.

771
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,100
We are going to get into the van
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772
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:16,200
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781
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:40,600
All right, Sheldon had to step
out for just a second.

782
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,000
He'll be back in just a moment.
But last Tuesday, afternoon

783
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,500
myself mr.
Siegel and Sally got the

784
00:39:49,508 --> 00:39:53,100
shoot-down.
Got the sit down about 30

785
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:58,400
minutes with Virginia Tech wide.
Receiver coach fontelle Minds,

786
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,600
it was awesome.
He Also he celebrated a birthday

787
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,900
coach, happy birthday.
Again this week Prime, let's

788
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:08,000
press the tape and let's show
the boundary Corner listeners

789
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,600
what coach mines had a say
about.

790
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,900
Some of the things we asked
them, pay attention, boundary

791
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:17,300
Corner podcast listeners.
Tonight we have a very special

792
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:21,400
interview here with Jonathan.
Talley here with Brian siglo

793
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,200
boys, we got in the green room
right now.

794
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,700
Coach fontelle Minds, let's go
ahead.

795
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:29,400
Let's get him in here because
we've got some questions to ask

796
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,400
this man.
An Brothers was happening as

797
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,500
everybody doing because I'm
wonderful man.

798
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:40,100
Wonderful enjoying myself?
We are doing great here.

799
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:44,800
Me and Brian in the RV. 8, a lie
down in Alabama today, and man,

800
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,400
we got some questions to ask.
You, how's everything doing?

801
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,100
Y'all been good, busy busy.
We spend the weekend in

802
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,600
Charlotte for a coaches Clinic.
I had the family come up with

803
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600
me, my wife and my son and we
enjoy Charlotte for a couple

804
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,800
days.
Days and we'll be in Richmond.

805
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200
This weekend will be a northern
Virginia's weekend talking some

806
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,900
ball man you know building those
relationships been around some

807
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,000
High School coaches.
So super excited and I love the

808
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,700
offseason and shoot you know
Spring ball is right around the

809
00:41:13,707 --> 00:41:15,300
corner.
It is man.

810
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,500
Yeah, so you're heading to the
stomping grounds as weekend.

811
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:21,200
Ransom for baby.
There we go.

812
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,500
There we go.
All right, let's talk about this

813
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,300
first.
You've had a bunch of stopped.

814
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,100
Since you started your coaching
career at your alma mater.

815
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,100
Hermitage high school with here
in the r-va.

816
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,200
You also happen to be a notable
football, alumnus of the

817
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200
University of Virginia.
Yeah, what did you think?

818
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,600
When you got the call that the
Hokies wanted you to come on

819
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,500
board as wide receivers coach?
Man, it was a just the way it

820
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,700
all kind of happened.
Man was kind of surreal to be

821
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,800
honest with you.
I had some connections here on

822
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,200
this staff will Coach Bowen just
from working at Old Dominion and

823
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:59,200
I'm a coach pry on a Sunday at
the Coaches convention.

824
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,800
No, I'm sorry.
Madam on a Monday night at the

825
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,700
Coaches convention, him and
James Franklin were together and

826
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,500
we got a chance to exchange
conversation and he asked me,

827
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,800
would I be interested in
interviewing for the job that

828
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,200
next day did?
Have any my material and have a

829
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,100
superfood.
You know, it was it was probably

830
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,400
about eight nine o'clock that
night and you know, so me I just

831
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,700
kind of get my stuff together
and start preparing myself and

832
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:26,900
it was it was awesome though
man.

833
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,300
Just really grown up in
Richmond.

834
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,200
The two Flagship schools.
Have always been right?

835
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,700
Virginia Virginia Tech it was it
was either you went to Virginia.

836
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:37,700
You went to Virginia Tech store
for me.

837
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,100
It hit home because you know, my
best friend graduated from,

838
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,600
Virginia Tech Duane.
Brown and we were recruited

839
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,200
together.
We grew up together.

840
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,400
He was my wedding to one of my
closest friends and he was the

841
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,800
first one I called and I would
really just curious and his

842
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,100
reaction.
And you talk about somebody

843
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,200
excited, man.
It was a, it was a great moment

844
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,100
and it was, it was a little
different, you know, I'll be the

845
00:43:02,107 --> 00:43:04,900
first to tell you was a little
different but it's one of those

846
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,600
things where professionally a
no-brainer.

847
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,800
Yeah, it's great to hear Duane
because you had a lot of, guys,

848
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,300
you played with you at hermit is
you went to Tech in went to UVA

849
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:17,000
back in the early 2000s, but I'm
going to ask this, it's just a

850
00:43:17,008 --> 00:43:19,700
little fun.
How much grief did you catch

851
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,600
from your former UVA teammates?
I mean, when they when they saw

852
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,100
it on Twitter, like waving the
cartels, going to take the

853
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:30,500
coach, you know what, not too
bad, it was probably more.

854
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:36,300
So some Twitter people kind of
kind of came at me so weird, it

855
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:43,300
was on fire in Charlottesville
but I have a lot of The

856
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,200
teammates and the coaching
Circle and they kind of

857
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,900
understand the nature of this
business and the opportunity to

858
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:52,300
have for professional
advancement and you know, an

859
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:55,700
opportunity to take take care of
my family and provide for my son

860
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,200
and know that was number one
thing for me and then really an

861
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,700
opportunity to stay in the
Commonwealth.

862
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,400
I mean, you talk about Virginia
and you know what this place

863
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,600
means to me with their state
means to me and you know, it's

864
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,600
the world man.
So it was something I couldn't

865
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,100
pass up.
You have so coach, we know that,

866
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,900
you know, over A 13-year career,
you've had, you know, some

867
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,400
stocks all around a minute
Mid-Atlantic.

868
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,400
What is East Carolina?
J, mu Richmond, Old Dominion.

869
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,100
We probably go on and on, but
what you, what?

870
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:31,800
You been at Tech now, you know,
how has that helped you jump?

871
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Right?
Into your day-to-day job and,

872
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,500
you know recruiting, Because we
know like Virginia recruiting

873
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:37,700
us.
Turn up a little bit.

874
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,600
Yeah, it for me.
It was a seamless transition.

875
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,000
You talk about James?
Addison talk about University of

876
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Richmond, you talk about East
Carolina and old to mean, I was

877
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,400
responsible for recruiting the
Richmond area.

878
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:57,900
I was responsible for recruiting
the Virginia Beach, 757 area.

879
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:01,900
So I've known all those coaches
for the past 15 years.

880
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:05,500
I've known some of those coaches
since I was a player you know

881
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:08,300
you walk into those schools and
some of those guys have an

882
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:11,800
opportunity, remember coaching
against me or I walk into her.

883
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,900
Meat is high school and And I'm
having conversations with a

884
00:45:14,908 --> 00:45:19,100
guys, my former teammate.
So, for me mad, it made all the

885
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,200
sense in the world.
I was already recruited a lot of

886
00:45:21,207 --> 00:45:24,800
those guys.
Some, I couldn't get Now.

887
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,800
Give me an opportunity to really
give them an opportunity to come

888
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,100
play for me, you know, to Chi
heat comes to mind.

889
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,900
I probably have been working
this kid for two years Braylon

890
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:36,600
Johnson.
I probably been talking this guy

891
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,500
for the last two years.
Cam Fleming I played AAU

892
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:44,800
basketball with a woman's uncle.
You know, just those connections

893
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,700
give kids a sense of Peace, the
kids, the parents.

894
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,200
So it was good man it's been
awesome for me and I absolutely

895
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,300
love hearing that number.
I'm going to Pivot a little bit

896
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,500
away from that because Callie
mentioned the day-to-day work

897
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,500
and right now y'all are right.
Smack dab in the middle of

898
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,300
winter workouts and we've seen
you post Tucker.

899
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,600
Holloway Benji Gosnell, Jalen
Lane stepping up.

900
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,900
But what is the primary focus
for you?

901
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,700
You during this time period for
evaluating your guys during

902
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:19,200
those workouts and especially
with bringing three new guys,

903
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,300
into the fold competition,
mental toughness details.

904
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,800
Those are the top three for me
and then dependability, I mean

905
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,300
your eyes and guys, to wake up
at 5:00 in the morning to be

906
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:36,800
dressed and ready in the, on the
field at 6:00 6:00 ready to work

907
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,700
for an hour, and then go to
class, you know, not show up on

908
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,700
any list, go to weights.
So it's giving me Opportunity.

909
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,900
If I can't count on you outside
of football, the guys are being

910
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,800
late to class or missing class
is no way in the world.

911
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,200
I'm going to be able to count on
your own third mate, the run the

912
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,300
right route.
And it's also given the

913
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:58,200
transfers an opportunity to
really engulf themselves.

914
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,300
And our environment right now,
culture, and to really establish

915
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,800
themselves or who they are and
learn to play books on the

916
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,700
Playbook, learn their teammates.
So this to me is really the most

917
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,600
important time for our team.
But competitions, you know, that

918
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200
that's the Then so long at the
top without it without a

919
00:47:15,207 --> 00:47:17,000
question.
Definitely.

920
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,900
So, I'm glad you mentioned
mentioned transfers that coach

921
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,700
because, you know, us as fans,
man, we look at things that we

922
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:28,300
see things totally different
light than you guys do, but

923
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,500
coming off of a 3 and 8 season.
What does coach Minds do?

924
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:37,100
He goes into the portal?
He pulls out three top, 25

925
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:42,700
transfers to flip that room.
Can you talk to us a little bit

926
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:46,100
about How you were able to, you
know, identify what you were

927
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:49,400
looking for and how you went
into recruiting that room, which

928
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,600
such a quick turnaround after
the season going into spring.

929
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,000
Yeah.
The first thing that I wanted

930
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,600
while targeting some transfers
and even high school kids was, I

931
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,200
wanted guys that will come in
right away day one and compete

932
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,900
the start.
I don't want to get anybody to

933
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,300
be a deaf guy.
I didn't want to recruit anybody

934
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,500
to be a special teams guy.
I wanted to bring in guys to

935
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,100
raise the level of competition
in that room because that's when

936
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:22,800
bring the best out of all of us
myself, the returning guys and

937
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,000
it says no ego in this like
that, that comes the business

938
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,100
part of this and they are all
different, right?

939
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,300
They all have a different
unique, skillset.

940
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:34,900
I've known are leave since I
leave was 67 years old.

941
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,300
I have a great relationship with
him.

942
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,400
I remember him coming to camps
that we had back in Richmond.

943
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:42,900
I went to school with his
brother.

944
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,300
They're obviously I was at Old
Dominion with them for a year

945
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,500
and you talk about a guy that's
proven, I mean all three of

946
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:52,900
their proven, they played a lot
of football, it had a lot of

947
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,300
production right?
That's hard to pass up.

948
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:00,100
Two of them are Virginia guys
right from for my printout area

949
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:06,500
Richmond and the 757 you talk
about Daquan Feldon immediately.

950
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:11,200
He brings a level of attitude
mindset and mentality.

951
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,700
The time, baby.
Like, you know, you know what

952
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:17,800
time it is?
It like he's different like he

953
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,100
doesn't Flinch and he talked
about Jaden Lane who's who's my

954
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,400
Silent Assassin?
He just comes to work every

955
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,700
single day.
He competes his butt off and

956
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:31,200
he's a punt, returner, he's a
kick returner, he plays in a

957
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,000
slide, he plays on the outside.
So immediately, you know,

958
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,100
everyone changes the Dynamics of
that room changed, you don't

959
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,000
have to depend on the true
freshman.

960
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:42,900
A guy that might have to be
ready to play, right?

961
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:47,100
Now you can kind of give to give
guys time to develop so I'm

962
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:50,000
excited man, we were able to get
those and I just me man, just a

963
00:49:50,008 --> 00:49:54,100
group effort, code phone, you
know, code Rudolph coach Glenn,

964
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,900
like all those guys played a big
part in that, you know, but the

965
00:49:56,908 --> 00:49:59,600
relationship piece and I'm
relationship built, man,

966
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,300
relationship piece.
It meant a lot, man.

967
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,500
I had an opportunity to see
those guys, you know, Quantum on

968
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,600
his own turf.
I recruited Jalen Lane.

969
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,600
When I was at East Carolina, you
know.

970
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,900
So I've known him.
You talk about coachable

971
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:14,800
Michaela.
And as a high school coach, I

972
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,500
mean the kid comes in right
away, picks up the offense, he

973
00:50:17,508 --> 00:50:20,700
knows what he's doing.
And, you know, he just works

974
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:23,400
every single day so that's kind
of what it is for that.

975
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,100
Now, that was my thought
process, seems like from a skill

976
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,300
set point of view.
They have a lot of complementary

977
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,400
skills in that, they each kind
of do different things really

978
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,900
well.
And I think that's yeah.

979
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,500
Going to be great to build on
for the season, for sure.

980
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,900
But let me ask this, we're
talking offseason.

981
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,600
You got spring practice starting
here in a few weeks in Year One.

982
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,500
The big Focus for the team was
winning every rep, that

983
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,000
competition, right?
And you've already spoken on

984
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,400
that a little bit.
Well, that hasn't changed for

985
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,100
year to what is one area of
focus that you guys have kind of

986
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:58,000
circled for the spring that may
not have been there.

987
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,000
Last year may have been a lower
priority last year.

988
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,000
I know it was there and it's an
has been a priority but you can

989
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,100
never focus enough on the
details if the routes for yards

990
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,800
running for yards, if it's six
steps.

991
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,400
Running six steps.
If you supposed to convert

992
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,100
versus coverage, when needs to
convert, we need our receivers

993
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,900
to be where they're supposed to
be at, right?

994
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,300
Make the plays.
Make the routine plays, I will

995
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:27,800
sent make the layups right got
an access road to the field and

996
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,600
the quarterback throws it to you
on time.

997
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:32,300
Make the layup, right?
That's that's where I was on

998
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,600
there for us.
So, like I'm putting the

999
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,900
pressure on those guys for
Perfection, right?

1000
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:44,200
I'm asking for protection,
understanding and Owen right?

1001
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,800
What I'm going to get is a
product of competition and guys

1002
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,000
that were better than we were
this last spring.

1003
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,400
That's the only goal, right?
The put guys on that field.

1004
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,000
That's going to be better than
we were last year and that's no,

1005
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,000
not to anybody that played last
year, but if I'm not, recruiting

1006
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,100
guys are recruiting Talent
that's going to come in and play

1007
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:07,300
it, and I'm not doing my job.
Then I love hearing that that

1008
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:11,000
you talk about the details and
like make the layups because

1009
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,800
there's so many times in this
game.

1010
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,100
Where there's a layup.
Play you make that?

1011
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,000
Yeah, it's only five yards now,
it's second and five.

1012
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:19,900
No doubt, makes everything
easier.

1013
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,500
It makes everything easier,
right, but we talk about it

1014
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:23,700
every week, right?
Curtis.

1015
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:30,200
If you making the layups in
football, then eventually that

1016
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,600
teams going to guard the layups
harder in the, the harder stuff

1017
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,800
is going to become easier
because they focus on the easy

1018
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,500
stuff.
All right, let me put this pivot

1019
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:42,500
to this and not only for you to
kind of Staff in general.

1020
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,300
What?
Some of the lessons learned from

1021
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:45,000
year.
One.

1022
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,900
And how are y'all approaching
that going into year two?

1023
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,300
When you get the opportunity to
learn your personnel, along your

1024
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:57,100
players, to be honest with you,
like I didn't really get a great

1025
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,100
feel for who they were until
week four to five.

1026
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
I mean yes.
We're with them all off season

1027
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,000
in the winter.
Yes, we were them in the spring.

1028
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,900
Reward him in the summer, but
you don't really know, truly

1029
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,600
know him into those bullets.
Start flying and Lane stadium in

1030
00:53:12,607 --> 00:53:14,100
front.
The $65 heavy.

1031
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,700
Like that's when you get a good
vibe for, I, this is who this

1032
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,400
kid is, right?
This is our strength.

1033
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,800
This is our weakness.
Let's play this, right?

1034
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,100
This this formation or this
concept has been successful or

1035
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,100
he runs this route better versus
this coverage.

1036
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:34,400
So it gave us an opportunity to
get a good feel for a guys and,

1037
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,400
you know, try to gain some
momentum down the stretch.

1038
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,900
And, you know, we were
competitive in a lot of games.

1039
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:41,000
I think we lost four games by 11
points, man.

1040
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,000
So you just talked about the
Since that are you can make it

1041
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
could be tremendous.
Yep, definitely coach.

1042
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,600
When you talk about the loser.
Doesn't you know like you said

1043
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,300
losing a couple of games by a
couple of points.

1044
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,800
You know that as fans it's
heartbreaking, you know, we you

1045
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,900
know we get beat up a little bit
but not as much.

1046
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,900
Yeah, I told off a little bit
not as much as you know probably

1047
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,500
you guys do but learning how to
win.

1048
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:11,400
Definitely was a theme in that
in that year won both you know

1049
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,200
for the staff and the players
Hers.

1050
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:17,000
Do you feel like, you know,
everything started to come

1051
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,100
together?
All those elements came

1052
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,500
together?
You know, at the end of the

1053
00:54:21,508 --> 00:54:24,400
season, that that Liberty game,
I do feel like that.

1054
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,400
I feel like we hit our stride.
I feel like the kids were bought

1055
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,600
in.
They were born into the

1056
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,000
gameplay, never bought into what
we wanted to do and it was never

1057
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,400
a moment where we showed up on a
Sunday and those guys won't

1058
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,700
ready to work.
So I give a lot of credit to

1059
00:54:38,707 --> 00:54:41,900
them and they didn't fold, there
was no issues in the locker

1060
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:44,300
room.
Talk about culture and you talk

1061
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:46,900
about something to build off of
like that's what we're going to

1062
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:49,000
build off.
What we had, we were able to run

1063
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,000
the ball to win the game and to
seal the game and the finish the

1064
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,300
game guys made plays down the
stretch right that's maturity

1065
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:59,500
that's world and that's a lot
for us to build on and I'm going

1066
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,500
to roll over some really
talented Liberty thing,

1067
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,300
definitely, we had talked about
that a lot when we were looking

1068
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:07,700
at it and that kind of that
winning time sequence, it felt

1069
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,000
like offense defense, special
teams.

1070
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,200
They kind of made the plays that
you need to make the close that

1071
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,800
thing out where is few games
earlier in the year.

1072
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,100
You know, one element was not
there in the closeout, maybe

1073
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,500
another here and there, and
another game, but in that game,

1074
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:25,100
it felt like all the pieces kind
of came together for you lady

1075
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:26,800
complete gangaajal do right,
man?

1076
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,800
It takes all three phases and
I'll tell you, for me, on that

1077
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,300
game.
It was the last series where

1078
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:35,800
offense or defense, stopped them
offense, drove the field,

1079
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,000
scored.
They come back defense.

1080
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,500
Stops them again.
And then you guys on offense,

1081
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:41,800
your guys blocking on the
outside.

1082
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Making catches, it's like,
They're not getting this ball

1083
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,500
back.
Yeah, ends right here, know that

1084
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,400
and, you know, knelt it down,
it's like over.

1085
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,100
And as a fan, it made us feel
great.

1086
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,600
Because you, like tally said, we
saw it.

1087
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,600
It was like where that first
down, we hadn't got that a

1088
00:55:57,607 --> 00:56:00,500
couple games and it breaks our
heart, we know it hurts you all

1089
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:01,900
but it's like we got the first
down.

1090
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,500
Yeah we kept pushing it, love it
but I know you got some.

1091
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:06,700
You want to ask him?
Yeah I'm let's talk a little bit

1092
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:10,700
about recruiting Focus.
We know in year one the big

1093
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:14,500
Mantra was repairing those Oops,
in the state of Virginia, in the

1094
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:18,400
footprint, how did the
relationships and Rapport that

1095
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,300
you had from your previous
stops?

1096
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:26,100
Help you on that front?
Yes, trust man is trust, is guys

1097
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,200
understand who I am, as a person
who I am as a coach believing

1098
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,000
in.
You know, my coaching philosophy

1099
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,200
and also believe in encode prize
philosophy.

1100
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:39,100
And I think a lot of guys
initially when they get hired

1101
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,400
but see a lot of things but they
won't do and Coach Pride, you

1102
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,100
know, he stood.
That he stood on the table with

1103
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,100
that, we're going to recruit
this state.

1104
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,100
He said it, he meant it and we
did and we found ways to foster

1105
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,600
those relationships.
Whether it was, you know, these

1106
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:58,200
clinics that we're going to do
getting on these guys Turf guard

1107
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,500
down, spending time with them,
talking about eating, good food

1108
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:04,500
and just relaxing.
And I think that means a lot to

1109
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:07,300
those guys and, you know, taking
that opportunity to do that and

1110
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:11,400
recruit those schools, right?
You talk about a spool like

1111
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,400
Holly Springs, they're going I
have prospects every single

1112
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,200
year.
You talk about Herman is you

1113
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,300
talk about you.
Go to guys in Northern Virginia

1114
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,300
freedom and there's all these
talented talented prospects in

1115
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,900
this state, right?
That could be overlooked because

1116
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,700
it may look great in another
state par and Texas and Florida

1117
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:33,400
and you can go get.
And I'm not saying you can't go

1118
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,000
get guys from those places,
right?

1119
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,500
But if you start, you start in
the state right now.

1120
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:42,600
I guarantee you you can find
guy's talented enough and

1121
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,400
willing Enough to win you a lot
of games when it's all said and

1122
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,100
done and then you build on those
relationships.

1123
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:51,000
So when that four and five-star
Prospect comes out, right, he's

1124
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,200
got a teammate already in
Blacksburg, right?

1125
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:55,700
He's already seen me a couple
times in the school.

1126
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,200
The coach already knows what
he's going to get from us.

1127
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,200
And that's really what it's
about, man.

1128
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,500
It's been, it's being honest is
being us as being genuine and

1129
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,300
giving those guys an opportunity
to trust us.

1130
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,400
And that's all that coach prize
Direction, man.

1131
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,300
What you see is what you get by
is no fluff is no recruiting

1132
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,800
pitch.
Each not us out here selling

1133
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,900
dreams as out here, just being
rude.

1134
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:22,000
And that's, I mean, that's as a
fan, that's refreshing, man.

1135
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,300
I guess we, we definitely are
welcoming that, you know, even

1136
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,500
feeling that I'm always down
here in Alabama and I'm feeling

1137
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:31,700
it, I'm, I'm hopping up and
down.

1138
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,700
You know what I'm saying?
To see you guys out there, but

1139
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:38,600
from what I'm hearing now, you
can tell me if I'm wrong.

1140
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,200
They're telling me.
When you come to Virginia, you

1141
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,000
got to check in with Coach
minds.

1142
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,400
They said that he is running.
Thanks Dad.

1143
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Yeah.
But you know, kind of the

1144
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,700
question that I have for you is
people know.

1145
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:57,000
You are Virginia guy, they know
you, you know, you went to UVA,

1146
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:01,200
you've been around for a while.
How much did the staff lean on

1147
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,400
you?
Lean on your relationships?

1148
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:05,400
Did you have any guys that kind
of came to me?

1149
00:59:05,408 --> 00:59:09,100
And was like, hey coach, you
know, I'm going to I'm going to

1150
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:10,100
Hermitage today.
What?

1151
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:12,300
We'll what do I need to?
Is there certain person?

1152
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:15,000
I need to see, you know if you
have anybody to lean on you,

1153
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,300
absolutely man in each.
Pocket of the state is a little

1154
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:22,000
bit different, right?
Recruiting Richmond is

1155
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
completely different in
recruiting 757, right?

1156
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,900
You may have to go to three
people in the 757 before you

1157
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,600
actually get to the kid, but
that's just kind of how it is.

1158
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,000
And that's the name of the
business man.

1159
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,800
But like, the, the the
relationships they did Lean on

1160
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,400
Me, you know, we have some guys
as off the field as from

1161
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,300
Virginia, but when you just
talked about, hey man I'm going

1162
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:45,400
to this school.
Here's what you need to talk to

1163
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,500
or I'm going to this area here.
So I need to talk to.

1164
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:50,200
Here's what you need to stay,
right?

1165
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,600
These are the six holes you need
to hit this day.

1166
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,100
All right, or taking another
notch.

1167
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:56,400
You're watching the highlight
tape.

1168
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,300
This is the brand of football
that these guys play, right?

1169
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,600
This is how coachable these guys
have historically been.

1170
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,100
You just look at our recruiting
class why?

1171
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:11,700
I think we had guy that total
class it was 19 state

1172
01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:15,000
championships right?
In that one class you talk about

1173
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,600
recruiting winners guys that
have been well.

1174
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,900
Coach guys, that come here and
it's going to piss them off to

1175
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:23,000
lose, right?
And that's the kind of attitude

1176
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,900
that we need while of that,
right there.

1177
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:27,900
That's, that's, that's the
mentality, man.

1178
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:30,500
You talk about the state
championships, the guys you're

1179
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,500
bringing in their winners and
like you said, they don't want

1180
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:35,300
to lose.
So I'm sure you've got some of

1181
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,500
them already joining you on
campus that have already brought

1182
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,200
that to the table during The
Hunger Games and seeing some of

1183
01:00:41,207 --> 01:00:43,500
the workouts where it's like,
I'm not losing this rep.

1184
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,300
No, don't lose these reps.
I've won all these reps since

1185
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:47,600
I've been a freshman in high
school.

1186
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,100
Let me put just a little bit of
fun here.

1187
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:56,600
So if the Hokey tailgate comes
back to the RV, a this year,

1188
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,000
comes to Hardy would part just
about five minutes from my house

1189
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,600
here.
It's not until Minds can find

1190
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,600
out my eyes.
Make an appearance there, hold

1191
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,400
on.
What's the date?

1192
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:09,500
Well, last year was in July,
that's possible.

1193
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:14,300
Okay.
All right, if you want and I'll

1194
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:23,400
do my best.
We understand, but if we see

1195
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,600
you, we are coming up and we are
going to talk with you a little

1196
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,800
bit more than a man.
Let's do it, man.

1197
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,000
You got one more form, right?
Yep.

1198
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,000
So fun tell, you know, we know
man, we know you got a birthday

1199
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,200
coming up.
You might try to hide it from

1200
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,100
everybody else, but I do we
know.

1201
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,200
We know when the birthday is for
everybody, who don't know, we

1202
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,500
got February 26th, I'm not gonna
call his age out, I'm gonna let

1203
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:50,200
him do that.
But, you know, the question I

1204
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,900
have for you, is as a coach,
what would be the best gift?

1205
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:59,500
You can get on your birthday?
From a coaching perspective for

1206
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,700
from a coaching perspective,
having a follower weekend,

1207
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:31,600
There we go.
I appreciate you taking the time

1208
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,900
to join us and talk with us
today and yes, if y'all are

1209
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:36,300
wondering my head turn to the
right.

1210
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:38,800
My six-year-old, son opened the
door and said, Daddy can you

1211
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,500
come do this for me?
I'm like, all right now,

1212
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,600
I appreciate you guys.
Absolutely appreciate the

1213
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,300
support.
Anytime anything you need from

1214
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:07,400
getting it done.
We appreciate you.

1215
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,800
Thanks.
And that was coach fontelle.

1216
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,000
Mine's a joined us last Tuesday.
First of all, Brian tally.

1217
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:17,300
It was a blast to talk to that
man.

1218
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,700
In general, it just felt he was
relaxed.

1219
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:23,000
It was natural.
I feel like Brian if he does

1220
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,500
make it too hard he would we
will probably be 20 30 minutes

1221
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:34,100
with him on the patio out there,
drinking drinking either and

1222
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:37,300
shooting the breeze with him.
I mean, you gotta love that

1223
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,600
about him in general.
Yeah, you do.

1224
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,400
If we see, you know how he has
success on the trail very

1225
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,800
relaxed, somebody definitely
want to have a conversation with

1226
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,500
just kind of sit down and shoot
the breeze.

1227
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,300
So I mean that aspect you can
definitely see why he's a he's a

1228
01:03:53,308 --> 01:03:56,400
successful successful man and
just successful coach.

1229
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,400
Yeah he can't Ally p-town.
He Town yeah.

1230
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,400
Even right away.
Baby already.

1231
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,700
So let me ask you this guy's and
y'all chime in whoever wants to

1232
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:12,500
come in first.
How do y'all His how, what is

1233
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:14,700
his impact?
Mental net wide receiver room.

1234
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:19,800
I'll take a lead on this one.
I mean, I'm looking at it.

1235
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,800
The thing that we see obviously
is, you know, you get a big

1236
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,500
impact from a recruiting
standpoint.

1237
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,200
Notch it up a little bit on the
trail in the state of Virginia,

1238
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,200
especially in Richmond area.
But you're also seeing bringing

1239
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:41,600
in three top 20, top of the
league transfer portal players

1240
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,900
from the wide receivers
perspective, to kind of bolster

1241
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:46,300
that room.
But the The thing that kind of

1242
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:50,500
impressed me, and this is
actually something that came out

1243
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:56,200
during the pride of you on text
sideline talking about Christian

1244
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:02,700
moss and kind of how he's kind
of redoubled his efforts in

1245
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:08,000
trying to get playing time and
really kind of digging in to be

1246
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,500
a contributor in that wide
receiver room.

1247
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,600
Because I think a lot of folks
saw him is like a potential

1248
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,900
transfer portal player after The
way the season wrapped up and

1249
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:20,000
you know, with the guys that we
brought in, but now he's, it

1250
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,800
sounds like he's kind of changed
the culture in that room in

1251
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,100
terms of guys, competing for
spots competing for time,

1252
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,400
competing for rep.
So that's I think that's that.

1253
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,200
That's a big impact as well.
Yeah, definitely.

1254
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:37,000
I'm you know I listen to him
when he was talking about the he

1255
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,700
would've wanted to bring people
in to compete right away.

1256
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,500
He didn't want to bring depth
guys in so people who are

1257
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:47,800
already there.
If the coach is telling us that,

1258
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,000
I'm sure he's telling them that.
So, sometimes football players,

1259
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,400
you getting your feelings.
I'm bringing people in here to

1260
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,100
compete with playing town and
prior kind of, you know, came

1261
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,000
out and said, you know, we
didn't know what we were going

1262
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,600
to get out of Out of Christian,
he's been kind of pretty much

1263
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,100
underwhelming but he came in the
office and said, hey, this is

1264
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:09,100
what I want to do and it's what
he's been living up to.

1265
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:13,400
So I think that that mindset,
that that fontelle has brought

1266
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:18,800
to that room is just been a hard
nose, you know, let's grind.

1267
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,200
So I'm excited to see what
happens with that.

1268
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,900
With that wide receiver room.
I think it'll be one of our

1269
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:31,800
deepest and most talented room
positions this So he put on a

1270
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,000
clinic in had a flipper room in
one offseason.

1271
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:38,300
Yeah, we did it.
Yeah, he did impressively.

1272
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:40,800
Well, that's you shall know.
I mean, have you had any?

1273
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,900
I don't know if you've had any
interactions with Coach mine

1274
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:44,800
since you've been up there.
You didn't get to join us on the

1275
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,900
interview or anything.
No, I mean, you know, I've kind

1276
01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:52,600
of seen him at PK sometimes.
That's my only actions.

1277
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,800
But even then, he's like, I
mean, he's the life of the party

1278
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:55,900
man.
He's always lived over there.

1279
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:58,200
Run talking everyone.
He's just like, sometimes you

1280
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,600
can you see a guy?
You see a cauchy He just tell

1281
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,600
like he's like he gets it.
Like, he's a good, he's a good

1282
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,300
recruiter, he's a good
relationships guy.

1283
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,800
He relates well to a lot of
different players and I think

1284
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,200
was pretty impressive that he
got a lead Jennings to come here

1285
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:13,800
on one year of Eligibility.
I mean, it's just like you know,

1286
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:15,900
it wasn't a great offense.
Last year, he got some

1287
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:18,300
quarterback questions, but like
he I mean the fact he convinced

1288
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:20,700
a guy like that to come here.
Like that speaks volumes to his

1289
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:22,500
recruiting abilities at the
about.

1290
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:25,500
I love you saying that apks.
He's the life of the party first

1291
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:30,000
of all he's also like what?
65 yes it is a huge guy so

1292
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,600
Really.
It's just like, I'm assuming

1293
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,200
it's a magnetic effect with him,
like a lot of our guys, and he's

1294
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,400
known to pull the best out of
all his guys Robbie.

1295
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,400
Obviously Rob, he's our coach
friend who has some connections

1296
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,600
down at ECU where coach - coach
and I love the key point there

1297
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,100
at the end we were talking about
did guys come to you on this

1298
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:54,600
staff when they visited schools
and he was like yeah and I was

1299
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,500
making sure this is who you talk
to.

1300
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,700
This is this is who you go to
because that is so much

1301
01:07:59,700 --> 01:08:01,100
important.
And especially with the new

1302
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,700
staff or new people coming on,
in which we're going to talk

1303
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:05,800
about it in about three or four
minutes here.

1304
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,700
We're going to have new coaches
coming on in the near future.

1305
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:12,800
And to have somebody like fine
tale mines, who especially in

1306
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,400
the state of Virginia.
You walk into a high school, he

1307
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,600
can tell you who to talk to
where to go, what to do.

1308
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,800
What they do that's huge because
sometimes you don't have that

1309
01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:24,700
and when you don't have that
Talent, you're in the car,

1310
01:08:24,899 --> 01:08:27,100
you're in the salesman business.
And you know, about those

1311
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,000
relationship about knowing, this
is how you talk to this guy.

1312
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:33,500
This is where you go here in to
have him like that.

1313
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,600
It's almost heaven.
Like and I think he is the

1314
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,200
recruiting to the recruiting
office recruiting coordinator

1315
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,600
offensive, recruiting
coordinator.

1316
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:44,300
So then that makes sense from
what everything's he's telling

1317
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:51,000
us there or so.
Now, He said it himself and when

1318
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,800
we were coming up you know if
you were in a state of Virginia

1319
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,399
you went to want us to schools
and you go look back through the

1320
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:02,600
history of time you know he was
playing at Hermitage and you

1321
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,399
know 08 or excuse me in the
early 2000s with Dwayne and we

1322
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:10,200
saw Tweety come through then we
said guys go to UVA.

1323
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,700
What do y'all feel about him
selling Virginia recruits?

1324
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:23,100
Our program, even though he's a
UVA guy, he's going to take it.

1325
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,300
Anybody I'll take it, why not?
So yeah let's let's talk about

1326
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,700
that before.
So from a Virginia recruiting

1327
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:39,100
perspective he's the guy that
selling a vision of when not

1328
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:43,399
only Virginia Tech was one of
the top, ten fifteen programs in

1329
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:49,000
the country but from when the
UVA Virginia Tech, rivalry was

1330
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,000
still a rivalry and not a
rivalry of mid, but a rivalry of

1331
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,600
top.
Three and four teams in their

1332
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,400
conference, top one, and two
teams in their conference.

1333
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,900
He remembers those days.
So, he's selling what, what can

1334
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:07,100
be, what was and what can be
again?

1335
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,700
So I think that that's big
because he can set kind of say,

1336
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:14,100
hey yeah, I did I kept my
talents in the state, I went to

1337
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:17,700
University of Virginia.
You know, I did these things

1338
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:20,700
that help build me and build my
brand and be able to do the

1339
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:25,700
things that I wanted to do.
So it's Yeah, I'd say he's just

1340
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:30,400
as good as having an alumni on
the staff and that regard

1341
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,600
because he is still selling that
same type of vision of guys that

1342
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,500
have been able to do it at
Virginia Tech or do it at UVA.

1343
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:40,300
They've been able to go to their
in-state stool and show out.

1344
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,300
Yeah, you know, of course I'm
from from Bama.

1345
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,300
So we'll little bit different
here.

1346
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:50,000
Like when you see somebody, I
don't know, Alabama is just

1347
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,000
different when we see Julio
Jones and League, it's not like

1348
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,400
Alabama, born and bred like we
don't give a fuck.

1349
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,500
You know what I'm saying?
Like what we'd like, but

1350
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:04,800
Virginia people are so prideful
about their state, you know.

1351
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,600
It's like I seen so many people
that was like, you know, Mac

1352
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,800
McClung won the dunk contest and
it was like everybody was

1353
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,700
climbing in from Virginia.
You know what I'm saying it is,

1354
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,000
it didn't matter.
I don't even know where he's

1355
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,700
from, but everybody was claiming
Gate City.

1356
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,700
Yes.
City Jersey and last 90 days,

1357
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:31,200
I've seen Alabama be like that
gung-ho about some, but fucking

1358
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:43,500
Ruben Studdard in the that's the
only time I ever been like we're

1359
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,900
proud of Alabama.
But Virginia people, when they

1360
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:50,200
talk about like music, you talk
about clips and Chris Brown and

1361
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,500
you see go on and so yeah.
So on so forth and then you Do

1362
01:11:54,500 --> 01:12:00,100
you go into Allen Iverson?
And Vic like Virginia people are

1363
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:03,700
very prideful, so I don't think
that it's I don't think that

1364
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:06,700
it's such a like crazy thing to
be like, man.

1365
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:08,600
I don't care where you going to
be successful.

1366
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:14,100
I just want you to put on for
the state so I think he's got

1367
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:16,200
that kind of Mantra when he's
moving forward.

1368
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,900
Like I know you via ain't shit.
But I'm trying to make Virginia

1369
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:22,700
Tech this shit.
So come on over here and let's

1370
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:25,100
get it done.
And see the point that he's

1371
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,900
making point there in general,
anything you want.

1372
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:31,800
I'll let you do this is because
the best both programs have ever

1373
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:38,600
been is when everybody top 20 in
state were all going to those

1374
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,800
schools.
Hmm.

1375
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:43,200
And that roughly is from 1993 to
2003.

1376
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:48,400
The years UVA, beat FSU years.
We went to the national title

1377
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,000
game Tiki Ronde.
You start going through those

1378
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,100
that 10-year stretch.
Those were legitimately Tech was

1379
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:56,900
a top 10 team.
Virginia was a top 20 team,

1380
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:59,500
those years go back and look
through the annals of history

1381
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,200
and it tells you during that
tenure stretching to White

1382
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,900
victim, on this program has said
it.

1383
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:07,600
When both schools are good, the
state's better.

1384
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:09,800
I agree with that.
I want to make a real point

1385
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,600
right here.
Not that one but this one, The

1386
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,200
one thing he said about that
conference was, yeah, I'm at the

1387
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,900
AFC a conference and all of a
sudden Brent Pride wants to

1388
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:21,700
interview to me to be a next
head coach.

1389
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,900
I'm, I don't know.
He was like, I don't have my

1390
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:28,900
papers, I don't have my suit.
Oh shit, what am I supposed to

1391
01:13:28,907 --> 01:13:31,300
do?
And clearly, again, I think that

1392
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,800
personality just knocked it out
of the ballpark.

1393
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,400
Um, yeah, I mean, if you got a
personality like that it doesn't

1394
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,000
matter, the scenario that the
interview takes place, it's all

1395
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,500
about.
You know, how you can present

1396
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,100
your vision for a room and what
you can do on the trail both

1397
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,600
individually and to kind of
raise the bar across the board

1398
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,800
for the rest of the staff.
And he's shown that that he has

1399
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,200
the aptitude to do that pretty
good.

1400
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,700
So it's the culture.
Yep, they're selling the culture

1401
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,400
Shield, again you living down
there, you probably hear and see

1402
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,200
him more about it than ever and
this is a three and eight

1403
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,300
football team that, you know,
the worst we've seen in 30

1404
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:17,600
years.
And like no tally, no set it

1405
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,000
straight up.
You pull three top 25 guys, out

1406
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,700
of the portal, What's the
culture, you know, what are you

1407
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:25,200
hearing from?
When our workouts being a little

1408
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,500
closer down there?
And I know we know you have a

1409
01:14:27,508 --> 01:14:30,800
job and we know you're doing
things but when you get to go

1410
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,700
into PK's and you get to go
around the folks what is that

1411
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:38,300
culture being like you that he's
mentioning in these interviews?

1412
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:42,500
I think the guys have done a
really good job of sticking

1413
01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:45,700
together despite adversity like
We look like a last year.

1414
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:49,300
Like obviously, it's the worst
Tech Team, pretty much ever and

1415
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,700
we didn't have any sort of, you
know, locker room, you know,

1416
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:55,500
brouhaha as like, it wasn't like
a bunch of infighting wasn't

1417
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,800
guys pointing fingers.
Which was, you know, during the

1418
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,400
one day or like a literally, a
regular occurrence even when we

1419
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,900
go, turkey bacon articles.
Oh yeah.

1420
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,200
No guys trying to intentionally
lose games.

1421
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,100
It's like it's much better.
So, I think.

1422
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,000
I think fans and general
somewhat overstate the impact

1423
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,400
that was lost has on recruiting.
I think recruiting blows down to

1424
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,600
relationships.
And if you're a coach who can

1425
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:29,500
sell sell a young 18 year old
kid on the prospect of you know

1426
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:32,200
playing Freer for your team in
the future, you're trying to

1427
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,100
sell them a vision on what's
going to happen in the future

1428
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:36,900
and that's what that's what
we're putting bows down to these

1429
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:38,000
guys.
Want to be a part of that

1430
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,400
wedding program so you can go
through and a but if you can

1431
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,700
sell them on you know?
Hey this we're going to get all

1432
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:45,400
these good guys and We're going
to, you know, we're going to get

1433
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,700
this thing turned around.
Like that's I mean, that's a,

1434
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:51,600
that's how you do it, you know.
Anybody said about being kind of

1435
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,700
a part of something that you had
a hand in building, and I think

1436
01:15:56,700 --> 01:16:00,100
a lot historically Virginia
players have taken pride in

1437
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:04,800
that, so just looking at it from
that perspective, you know,

1438
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,300
they're, they're guys that.
Yeah, they still see, they still

1439
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:09,900
see the bamas, they still see
the George's.

1440
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:13,800
Obviously, those are easy to get
eyes on your play, and because

1441
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,700
they get eyes on your plate,
it's a path to the, to the next

1442
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:21,600
level, it makes that Easier.
But in terms of just being a

1443
01:16:21,608 --> 01:16:24,000
part of building something or
bringing in this case, bringing

1444
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,500
something back, that's
definitely something that I

1445
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,000
think, you know, can resonate
with some kids especially kids

1446
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,500
in state abso-freakin'-lutely.
And I think Robbie might sell it

1447
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:36,300
to best here.
He sells a game in the idea that

1448
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,100
takes it be successful War
regardless, where he's coaching,

1449
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:43,300
and it seems that way because
clearly, I mean, he is a guy in

1450
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:46,700
his late 30s.
He's already ranked up to a

1451
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:51,800
division one, you know, P5.
G in a short time coaching and

1452
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,100
he's building a reputation as a
good recruiter and a good coach

1453
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,300
overall and it was a pleasure to
have him.

1454
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:00,600
Hopefully Brian's working on
some other interviews.

1455
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,700
I don't know who else we're
going to be getting in the near

1456
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:05,700
future open more?
Yeah, I guess we have some of

1457
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:07,900
the turnpike here.
We got something, we got

1458
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:10,000
something burning.
What will we keeping you guys

1459
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,700
updated?
We so.

1460
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:15,100
All right, so there's a big
elephant in the room.

1461
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:18,200
We have not talked about it yet,
we are an hour and 20 minutes

1462
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,800
in, I think we should be Ended
because we haven't talked about

1463
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,400
it yet.
It's a miracle.

1464
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,100
We got we do it.
Take the low-hanging fruit,

1465
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,600
that's what he's gonna get.
Well, I mean, you know, some of

1466
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,400
this we apply in a lot of things
in this episode out for, you

1467
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,500
know, about a week or so.
So, the big news, obviously, Joe

1468
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:39,900
Rudolph is now the offensive
line coach at Notre Dame 70-year

1469
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:42,400
offensive line coach, you know,
seven-figure offensive line

1470
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,100
coach, you know.
I think that took him from being

1471
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:49,800
the fifth highest speed
offensive line coach to the One

1472
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,900
high-speed ovens wind coach.
So that says, not only a lot

1473
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:57,500
about the pool that we put in,
for him to bring him here.

1474
01:17:57,500 --> 01:18:02,300
But also how he's kind of viewed
by others around the country,

1475
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:04,000
especially the Blue Bloods
there.

1476
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,400
So even after a shitty 3 and 8
season.

1477
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,100
Yeah, I mean the best offensive
line play in the country.

1478
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:12,800
Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot
to kind of point at the resume

1479
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,300
last year and say, yeah, that's
me right?

1480
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:20,100
So that definitely speaks to his
reputation and speaks to To the

1481
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,800
relationships and he's built as
well.

1482
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,900
So you know good for him.
I mean that's a big move but now

1483
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:29,300
we kind of we turn the page
right who's next?

1484
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,500
Well Anybody Everybody?
Well no no it can't be anybody

1485
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:38,000
it's I'll say that.
It can't be anybody but

1486
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,900
obviously the name start
floating right between message

1487
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:44,700
boards.
You know, Twitter in general and

1488
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:46,500
you know, one of the first
things that popped up was to

1489
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:51,700
Washington and, you know, In for
a lot of us, that's a, that's a

1490
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:56,300
hard because Todd played here,
back in the 1990s, toddlers, a

1491
01:18:56,300 --> 01:19:01,200
four-year starter guard, Center
went on, and then played seven

1492
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,300
years in the NFL, which is, you
know, basically three hundred

1493
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,400
fifty percent more than what
normally happens.

1494
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,900
In guy, the NFL and started
coaching immediately going to

1495
01:19:10,907 --> 01:19:13,000
San Diego.
He's made a plethora stops

1496
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,700
between, you know, the Ravens,
the Jets, the Jags.

1497
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:20,200
And then you kind of look there.
And say, well, he's a Virginia

1498
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:25,400
Tech guy, he coach with bowling
last year and he could be a name

1499
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:31,000
out there, um, you know, does he
come here, get out of the pro

1500
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,700
ranks and, you know, in any
feelings on Todd Washington

1501
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:39,700
outside.
This is if he was given the job.

1502
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:43,200
I mean, if he was off the job,
he taken I think that's been

1503
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:48,700
made abundantly clear both by
him and by others that know him.

1504
01:19:49,300 --> 01:20:01,300
Um, I'm subtweeting Dwight Vic
there, if y'all didn't know,

1505
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:08,300
it's my boys.
So I take what he says, too

1506
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:12,700
hard, a lot and I know he knows
his stuff but just looking at it

1507
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:16,500
as a fan man and knowing about
recruiting.

1508
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:21,700
The only thing I can say, I
don't even want to say - but

1509
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,400
like Todd hadn't been in that he
hadn't been in the recruiting

1510
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,200
game in a long time, you know,
and the thing that's going to

1511
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,500
get us to the next level is
Talent.

1512
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,700
You know, we have to get some
Talent, we have to be able to

1513
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:37,600
recruit and I think fontelle
kind of said some stuff that a

1514
01:20:37,608 --> 01:20:41,100
lot of people don't think about,
you know, you recruit in certain

1515
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:45,100
places, your you have to talk to
three and four people before you

1516
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:47,400
get to the kids before you get
to a coach.

1517
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:52,300
So, That's that's the thing that
worries me about him.

1518
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:55,700
The name, this more intriguing.
I want to say more intriguing

1519
01:20:55,700 --> 01:21:00,500
but to me it's intriguing to me
is Marcus Marcus Johnson.

1520
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:05,700
So that name is very intriguing
because he's first of all, he's

1521
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:11,600
like 66 350 pounds.
Like, you want.

1522
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,400
I want a big man coaching
offensive line and putting them

1523
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:19,000
saying, but just that name and
looking at his resume and stuff

1524
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,100
like that, Like that.
And what he's done and what he's

1525
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:25,200
played like, I like what I see
from him, I'm I would like a,

1526
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,100
like a coach like that.
That's just me.

1527
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:31,300
I listen Marcus Johnson right
now is my one and I'm going to

1528
01:21:31,308 --> 01:21:33,900
ask all y'all three at the end.
I think tally, you might be

1529
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:37,100
feeling the same way as me, you
know, he's a young guy, he's in

1530
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:40,700
his early 40s, he played a bunch
of years in the NFL, he played

1531
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:44,800
down at Old Miss and then he
kind of came up through the

1532
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,400
ranks, a little different, he
started his strength and

1533
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:51,000
conditioning coach at Duke.
Instead, they're worked his way

1534
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,900
up to 0 line coach.
It shows you, he has a grind

1535
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:58,700
mentality as Brian playing
online tally playing tight.

1536
01:21:58,700 --> 01:22:03,200
In y'all know those guys can
grind but the one piece that I

1537
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,300
look at in, why I like him more
than anything, is he can recruit

1538
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,100
good.
Look at his 24/7 profile.

1539
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,000
He recruited Charles Crossing
developed Charles cross into a

1540
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,000
Charles cross, I hate to say
this as a 49ers fan.

1541
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,500
He's gonna be a pain in the ass
at left tackle for the next

1542
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:25,000
decade up at the Seahawks.
He is, he just freaking is so,

1543
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,600
but then I see 18 and 19 goes
Wikipedia page.

1544
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,400
Look at his bio.
He played at Mississippi State

1545
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,700
under Joe Moorhead.
We know and we saw at the end of

1546
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:40,300
last year, we're getting to that
RPO mesh, we're getting to that

1547
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:45,300
RPO mesh.
So He's done it for two years,

1548
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:48,900
he's done a drink which system,
which is again, a similar mesh

1549
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:51,900
type offense.
So I think probably for what

1550
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:55,400
Tyler bones looking to to coach
offensive line wise.

1551
01:22:55,900 --> 01:22:59,100
I think that's it.
Sheldon, you got somebody else

1552
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:01,000
in mind though, right?
Yeah.

1553
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,900
A guy that hasn't really been
mentioning through these

1554
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:06,600
discussions as a Eugene Chung, I
only bring up because I have a,

1555
01:23:06,700 --> 01:23:08,800
I have a coaching buddy in the
Richmond area, whose opinion.

1556
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,400
I respect greatly.
When you just mentioned Eugene

1557
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,600
Chung, who is a tech graduates?
Of 1992, I think Ezra.

1558
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,300
He was drafted into the NFL.
He did a really he was a really

1559
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:22,700
big part of building out those
egos offensive lines.

1560
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,700
I think they had a couple
starters in the other rule this

1561
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:28,300
year that were kind of develop
when he was there.

1562
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:30,400
He hasn't been there in a while,
I think three years since he's

1563
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,400
been there.
But they, the Eagles are

1564
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,300
typically, you know, one of the
better offensive line teams in

1565
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:38,700
the NFL year over year and he
was a big part of that.

1566
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:41,400
So you know I just I just
thought it was a bit was a good

1567
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,400
kind of a Maybe under the radar
name to mention, he's got it,

1568
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,300
obviously got great credentials.
Great credentials, Kyle is son

1569
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:52,200
played obviously, take
definitely super associated with

1570
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,600
the school and he coached a long
time and he played a long time

1571
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,300
in the league and then he
coached a long time in the

1572
01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:58,100
league.
Yep.

1573
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:02,600
So if if tomorrow they announced
Eugene Chun I think us for like

1574
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,900
God loves the school.
Guy knows how to coach o-line.

1575
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,900
Now I'm running kind of kind of
similar higher to Todd

1576
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,200
Washington.
Just not quite a little bit.

1577
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,300
It's Lightly different areas but
slightly different are a little

1578
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,600
older but coach to coach, to a
long, long time.

1579
01:24:18,700 --> 01:24:20,200
Yeah.
Now a couple of other things

1580
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,200
being thrown out there and these
are more of our Penn State

1581
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:26,900
connections, is you got her
painted, matte line, line Gro

1582
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:32,100
lime at Grover.
Lime, like, the fruit has

1583
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:36,000
currently down at UCF with Gus
Malzahn, was up in state,

1584
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:40,300
obviously, and in Vanderbilt and
then you got lime Grover again,

1585
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:44,900
another Penn State guy, three
years while I was there he's

1586
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:47,300
currently Kent State so he's
taking a little step back.

1587
01:24:47,300 --> 01:24:49,600
He is their cozy and all
offensive line.

1588
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,000
Either these jump out for any of
y'all Brian Calley.

1589
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,800
Herb hand is kind of the guy
that I would like to go after.

1590
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,700
And there's a couple reasons,
obviously, the connections style

1591
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:06,300
of play that we're looking for
on offense.

1592
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,700
The other thing, you know, he's
had stops at some bigger,

1593
01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:12,500
programs you seen how that
works.

1594
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:17,300
But he's also a guy that is at
UCF right now making right at

1595
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:22,600
three hundred thousand dollars.
So the pool Cool, that we have

1596
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,700
to offer at offensive line.
Could be very significant for

1597
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:30,700
that caliber of Coach.
Whereas, you know, you look at

1598
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:33,500
Marcus Johnson, he's making in
the five hundred thousand dollar

1599
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:36,000
range.
Looks like so whether Missouri

1600
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,400
can kind of jump up to meet meet
that that's to be seen But I

1601
01:25:40,407 --> 01:25:44,000
think we could actually from a
bidding standpoint, our pool is

1602
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,300
pretty big especially because of
what Joe Rudolph was making and

1603
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:55,100
what our potential is there.
So I think Your 500k plus bump

1604
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:58,400
in salary for her paying might
be very intriguing.

1605
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:02,900
Whereas, you know, a couple
hundred thousand may not be

1606
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:05,000
worth.
Worth it for Marcus Johnson, to

1607
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,100
kind of take the leap out of the
SEC into the act and into kind

1608
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,800
of a rebuild.
So that's kind of where I'm

1609
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,700
leaning and then you got, you
know, another guy that's been

1610
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:17,700
mentioned is offensive line
coach youth, at SMU Garin

1611
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:20,300
justice.
So there's a lot of guys that

1612
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:24,800
are out there.
I would put her pan in my top

1613
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:30,000
list of wants just because I
think it is practical but also

1614
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,600
would be a really good
replacement for Joe Rudolph.

1615
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,800
I'll say this about Justice, a
ret Lashley system again.

1616
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,600
It's the RPO is the mesh spread.
Look at what my it Brian

1617
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,800
mentioned it on this program
when we played them after the

1618
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,300
flip, when they caiied Rhett,
lastly, under main ideas.

1619
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,300
You basically said that
offensive line of shit.

1620
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,300
Is shit.
And basically, in one season,

1621
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,600
you know, Garin Justice went
down there.

1622
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,800
And basically flip them to be a
very competent offensive line

1623
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,800
where Miami That season ranked
in the top 30 in offense.

1624
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,300
And he's really good at coaching
pass, bro.

1625
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:10,000
Because the thing we've talked
about before that season was

1626
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,900
like, this team is completely
ass.

1627
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,500
That's true ass and they had a
really big bump up, and then you

1628
01:27:17,508 --> 01:27:21,200
brought up another stat from
last year where, you know,

1629
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,100
running He's running Russian,
the ball middle of the pack, but

1630
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:27,800
you know, really good in terms
of not allowing sex.

1631
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,500
So I mean, it looks like that's
traveling.

1632
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,900
It's not just a Miami thing.
Yeah.

1633
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:37,400
And it any feelings towards
those three guys tally or

1634
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,400
Sheldon and I'm kind of hey, I
told you, you're being tired.

1635
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,300
Washington, I'd be all right
with that.

1636
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:48,500
Like Brian said her hand, that's
I think that's a good look for

1637
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:51,700
Marcus Johnson.
Now, of course, you know,

1638
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:58,400
Virginia Tech fashion when get
none of them three, we ain't

1639
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,600
going that route but that's
okay.

1640
01:28:00,900 --> 01:28:04,300
But that's just kind of what I
think and what I what I look for

1641
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:09,400
and I'd love to see happen but
she um, proud talked about it

1642
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,500
again.
I'm if anybody hadn't.

1643
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:13,900
Yes.
Yeah, hadn't built winning.

1644
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:18,300
Look at the TSL interview.
He talked about, you know, we

1645
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:21,200
wanted to get we wanted to run
the ball more.

1646
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,900
Then we did last year vova power
running to him and it just it's

1647
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:28,600
just not us, you know?
It just wasn't what we were

1648
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,800
going to be good at so they want
to get to running the

1649
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,100
quarterback more so he said and
I'm paraphrasing so I don't want

1650
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:39,800
to put words in his mouth but he
said something to the effect

1651
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,300
that we want to run the
quarterback to lead says hey I

1652
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:45,500
don't I don't want to run no
more, you know what I mean?

1653
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:49,300
So we're going to get to that
RPO and I think it's going to

1654
01:28:49,308 --> 01:28:52,000
help us a lot.
Because when we're good at That

1655
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,700
I think our team is good.
So I shall let me ask you this

1656
01:28:55,700 --> 01:28:59,900
just to get you kind of feel
again being alumni of tech when

1657
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:04,500
that report and when it's been
said that Tech damn near got up

1658
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,500
to a million to offer.
Rudolph 975, I think is the

1659
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:13,100
number that is floating around.
Did that shock you?

1660
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,900
Or does that say?
Okay, we're back to where we

1661
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:19,700
were 15 years ago where we're
top 15 top 20 and actually

1662
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,500
paying people Yeah, I mean the
Arts up 28.

1663
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,000
I've even looked at numbers in a
while but we are at least top 25

1664
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,900
in the country in terms of
coaching salaries, for this

1665
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:31,800
particular staff.
It's kind of crazy that when you

1666
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,200
look at it, like Tech was paying
9950 or something like that to

1667
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,300
Rudolph and he still has her
Notre Dame who's giving him?

1668
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:40,500
You know, big a big salary
increase and there's probably a

1669
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,900
handful of schools that can
offer more than that her name.

1670
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:46,400
So kind of shows you like the
discrepancy in terms of the you

1671
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,700
in the very top at the in
college football, camp it all

1672
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:51,400
the rest, but like I don't
think.

1673
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,300
The coaching salary is, just not
an issue anymore.

1674
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:56,300
Like we have the money to hire
quality assistance.

1675
01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:58,000
Even if you look at guy like,
you know, practice when he was

1676
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,600
making a ton, I don't know what
the exact number was for Glen,

1677
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,800
but you know, he's making it,
he's making a decent salary,

1678
01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:08,100
same for all of, you know, all
of our other coordinators.

1679
01:30:08,300 --> 01:30:10,700
So it's, you know, the good
thing about all this influx of

1680
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:13,200
cash and program.
Like the Reach For Excellence

1681
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,000
campaign.
Like we were in a much better

1682
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:15,600
position.
I think.

1683
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,100
Infrastructure wise, you know,
when you look at facilities,

1684
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:22,700
support staff coaching salaries,
like Were much more competitive

1685
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:25,300
in those areas.
So I don't worry too much about

1686
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:28,400
this higher because I think, at
the very least, you know, we

1687
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,800
have we have a much more.
We have a much better chance of

1688
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,000
making the right, the right
height for us because we can

1689
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,600
compensate them adequately good.
You are good.

1690
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,500
That you kind of, you know,
brought up the quarterback

1691
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:45,600
position to quarterback coaching
position as well.

1692
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:51,400
So I guess Curtis, you know what
you're thinking about that man.

1693
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,600
What?
You thinking about the corporate

1694
01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:55,600
culture?
Well, first of all where 10 days

1695
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,900
removed, I was hoping somebody
would be named by mail, not only

1696
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:01,500
because it's easier to talk to
his.

1697
01:31:01,500 --> 01:31:03,200
Now, we got to do a bunch of
speculation.

1698
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,100
I mean me and we need Brawn and
tally you know last week Sheldon

1699
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,700
we talked about Brian Chris,
just Brian, Chris get his chance

1700
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,600
or is it?
You know a guy like Jeff

1701
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:18,500
Carpenter, you know, younger guy
work with LSU has done some

1702
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:19,800
other stuff.
Does he get his hands?

1703
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,200
I think the deeper we get into.
I don't think it's gonna be, I

1704
01:31:23,208 --> 01:31:25,000
don't think we're getting any
internal hires.

1705
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,800
I think we are because of what
shelving just said.

1706
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,500
We have the money to spend go
find someone who has a track

1707
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:36,000
record or has a good connection
and I'm sitting out here and I

1708
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,400
heard this thing so many times
but I feel like the guy would

1709
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,700
just fumble the ball and to the
other team and Lane Stadium, his

1710
01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:47,600
name's Brandon Streeter, you
know, Curtis got jokes, I got

1711
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,400
jokes go, 99 but I mean Streeter
was recently let go back.

1712
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,600
Clemson and he had been there
since 15.

1713
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,600
He's been coaching, you know,
since 06 where he was at Liberty

1714
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,100
and then Richmond.
So obviously he has been in

1715
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:03,200
Virginia before I think he's
probably a good coat don't

1716
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,900
obviously, he is working with
cream of the crop quarterback

1717
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:10,500
prospects in Trevor Lawrence in
DeShaun Watson.

1718
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,800
So what's he going to do?
As far as the system goes, you

1719
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,800
know, it's not quite what
they're doing, but I don't think

1720
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,700
he would be a I'd hire the
question is, you know, a bow

1721
01:32:25,700 --> 01:32:30,300
just cut you from your alma
mater, place, where you played a

1722
01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:34,400
place, where you won two
national championships is he

1723
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:41,500
ready to get it back in?
The question, I mean, I don't

1724
01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:43,600
have an answer for it.
I've heard his name thrown

1725
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:49,600
around a lot from a recruiting,
you know, from a recruiting

1726
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,700
standpoint.
So that's kind of where I'm

1727
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:55,400
always thinking about what any
hires that we're looking at is I

1728
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,400
feel like we've been so behind
and recruit and just, you know,

1729
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,000
one or two athletes.
That would take us to maybe the

1730
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,600
next level and I'm talking Next
Level, just meaning even

1731
01:33:06,100 --> 01:33:10,100
competing.
In the ACC, bringing in somebody

1732
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:12,300
with a pedigree like that.
I think would be would be

1733
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:16,300
awesome.
So I don't know that we get him

1734
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:19,600
but I would I think it would be
a good hire if we did.

1735
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:21,600
Yeah.
And I think we're probably not

1736
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,000
going to see what I'd call
Splash hires in both of these

1737
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,600
positions, I think.
Yeah, I think you'll see

1738
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,800
probably a splash higher and one
where we, where we go up to that

1739
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:34,200
you know, seven to eight hundred
thousand dollar range for one

1740
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,100
coach.
I don't know if we're going to

1741
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:40,200
push Yeah, the the limits of
what will come off of.

1742
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,700
Like, we would try to retain
Rudolph to hire both of these

1743
01:33:43,700 --> 01:33:46,300
positions will see?
I just don't, I don't

1744
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:49,500
necessarily think that's that's
what's going to happen, but, I

1745
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,600
mean, I'd be fine with Streeter,
you know, obviously, the main

1746
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:53,900
that always gets thrown out
there.

1747
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:56,700
Every time you do, this is my
car.

1748
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,400
I was just about to tell you
speaking of Splash, higher,

1749
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,700
Vic's, name gets thrown out
every time I'm a job.

1750
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:11,500
Comes open a toll on coach.
Isn't that mean it's loaded

1751
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:13,600
every time I don't think it's
ever going to happen.

1752
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,800
I think Mike you know AA all the
work Mike's doing with

1753
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,700
Charities.
All the stuff he's got with TV.

1754
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:21,200
I don't think that's going to
happen.

1755
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,600
But, you know, I think what we
are all are doing like we all

1756
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,100
have been doing since last
Tuesday, as fans is we've been

1757
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:33,000
drawing lines, we've been trying
to find, okay, who's got

1758
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:35,500
Streeter was thrown out there
just readers and known name.

1759
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,600
He was in the ACC but then you
start drawing the line.

1760
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,400
Okay.
So who could it be?

1761
01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:46,100
Who could it be?
And you know, after doing some

1762
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:49,800
research, I look at a guy like
Billy fessler really fast was

1763
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,000
over at Akron, so he's under Joe
Moorhead.

1764
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:55,400
There's a media, the connection
to the type of offense, that's

1765
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,600
going to be looked at this year.
He played at Penn State.

1766
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,000
He's a significantly younger
guy.

1767
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:06,500
Now a very, very young guy.
So, you know, is it somebody

1768
01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:09,700
like that?
Where you probably if you're

1769
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:12,000
going to go, like you said,
Brian just several seconds ago.

1770
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,000
If you go, Big Splash in the
offensive line.

1771
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,300
Room.
Yep.

1772
01:35:18,100 --> 01:35:21,000
Then, can you afford to take a
chance with a younger guy?

1773
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,000
I mean, what are you doing?
You know, if we're talking

1774
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,100
about, you know, younger, guys.
Let's, let's talk about somebody

1775
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:32,800
that's, you know, pretty much my
age, has some connections with

1776
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:39,000
Boeing at Fordham and Coach to,
in the NFL for the Jacksonville

1777
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,900
Jaguars, this past year.
Let's talk about Andrew breiner.

1778
01:35:41,900 --> 01:35:45,800
I mean, I think that's a another
option that you can look at, you

1779
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,700
know, he was OC and quarterbacks
coach at Fordham, then took over

1780
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:53,700
head coach.
The time that Bowen was was

1781
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,900
coaching it for them there.
So there's a connection there,

1782
01:35:57,900 --> 01:36:01,200
similar type of job or head
coaching tree.

1783
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,000
I'm getting the all Mississippi
State staff as well.

1784
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,800
We're about to put together an
18 19.

1785
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,500
Yeah, so I mean, that's an
option that's out there as well.

1786
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:12,400
So I mean, I think there's a lot
of, you know, potential options

1787
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,800
there, you know, one of the
things that's been floated kind

1788
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,500
of circling back to the
Offensive line room is that, you

1789
01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:21,100
know I don't think it's some
people talk about Bo and taking

1790
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:25,800
over offensive line.
That's not what I want to see

1791
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,500
why.
Why he's coached it.

1792
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:30,300
He's played it.
Yeah.

1793
01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:34,100
So I don't like my OCS being
offensive line.

1794
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:38,300
Coach has I like my OCS that
have been offensive linemen but

1795
01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:40,100
I don't like them being
offensive line.

1796
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:48,600
Coach has because I'll say like
this so Day to day, in practice,

1797
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:53,100
offensive line is very much for
the first half of practice of

1798
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:59,000
very segmented group.
They're not floating two

1799
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,000
different position groups like
you would with tight ends

1800
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:06,200
especially you're not working
with you know two or three

1801
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,200
position groups like you are
quarterback or wide receiver.

1802
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:13,600
You know you are very much.
Okay well you're here you know,

1803
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,600
you might get with the tight
ends of running backs were some

1804
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,300
inside run.
But most of the time you're

1805
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:20,700
working with your own group,
you're getting with defensive

1806
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:22,500
tackles and doing some
one-on-ones.

1807
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:26,000
This is a most of your work with
the rest of the group is during

1808
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:31,000
that team period.
So, allowing Bowen to be in a

1809
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,600
position where he can kind of
look at various elements of the

1810
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,500
offense for longer periods of
time during a practice, not just

1811
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:39,800
during that team period, I
think, is more important.

1812
01:37:40,100 --> 01:37:45,000
Offensive line is a very
demanding position to coach, so

1813
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,700
I would like him to focus more
on.

1814
01:37:46,900 --> 01:37:50,000
Me the offense and seeing the
whole picture of practice and I

1815
01:37:50,008 --> 01:37:52,600
would focusing on getting that
offensive line, right?

1816
01:37:52,900 --> 01:37:55,000
So you've been really quiet
while we've been other than

1817
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,400
laughing at the mic.
Big joke is there, is there

1818
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,500
anybody, you have an eye owners
there?

1819
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:02,200
Any of the names that we've
mentioned that you say, hey,

1820
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,400
that might be the guy if you're
talking about QB coach.

1821
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,900
Yeah, I think maybe the guy that
was briefly mentioned in our, in

1822
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,900
our Twitter chat, had a
Christian Taylor from Women.

1823
01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:16,000
Marry he worked under you.
He was under Mike London.

1824
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,800
Had a great day.
Had a fantastic offense this

1825
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,000
season, really big turn around a
school.

1826
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,600
That's here, typically not super
easy to win at.

1827
01:38:23,300 --> 01:38:25,500
So that's one guy.
But I haven't been paying too

1828
01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:28,200
much attention as much to the QB
coach just because, like, I

1829
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,400
don't know, like, what you know,
are they gonna make like an

1830
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,200
internal higher or just, you
know, switch someone around like

1831
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,500
so, I don't know as well about
that but Christian tellers, one

1832
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:39,100
guy to keep my own.
All right?

1833
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:42,800
Yeah, yeah I think when you look
at coaches, man, it's kind of a

1834
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:46,800
Two ends of the spectrum type
thing, you need somebody who's

1835
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:52,000
either you know very well
respected and has a great resume

1836
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,500
and just knows how to come in
and get a job done.

1837
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:59,400
Or you got to take a chance on a
younger guy that will kind of

1838
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,700
come in and know how to recruit
a little better who can you know

1839
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,600
connect with the kids a little
better?

1840
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,100
I mean look at fine tale.
Yep.

1841
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,600
And I know we've got a long way
to go to think about what he's

1842
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,500
going to do with his room or
Able to see what he's going to

1843
01:39:14,508 --> 01:39:18,500
be able to do with his room.
But I don't think any Tech fan

1844
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,700
is upset at what he's done so
far.

1845
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,500
You can even go back to Ryan
Smith.

1846
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:28,400
I mean, I didn't know much about
Ryan Smith before he got the

1847
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,600
job, but look at this.
It is F4 said he did while he

1848
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,800
was here was a it was a good
job.

1849
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:42,400
So it's at least a catch-22
you're talking coaching because

1850
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,300
you want somebody.
Who you really are somebody that

1851
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:49,900
had, I'm sorry, Natalia I
freaking went to college,

1852
01:39:49,900 --> 01:39:53,600
because I went to college with
Ryan Smith sister.

1853
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:58,000
Never knew the never correlated
until she literally posted a

1854
01:39:58,008 --> 01:40:01,500
picture of him up.
Iy S this run.

1855
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,800
I'm a messenger.
Be like why you got a picture

1856
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:05,200
Ryan Smith?
Oh, that's my brother.

1857
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:10,500
Wha, you know, that kids going
to the NFL.

1858
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:12,700
That's pretty cool.
It was cool.

1859
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:20,400
Yeah, the girl we go we all work
together but like so much going

1860
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:24,900
on right now you know because I
think what's happened is is so

1861
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:27,100
late in the process and process
it on TSN.

1862
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:32,000
We all heard it, right?
The pro ranks are looking more

1863
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,100
and more into the college ranks
for coaches.

1864
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,400
The young because what's
happening is I think we're

1865
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,900
getting to that NFL level where
they're guys who are getting in

1866
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:46,000
their late 60s that are retiring
or guys that just essentially

1867
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,900
recycling out.
And now it's like who is the

1868
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:53,500
most technical?
Who's a great motivator, who can

1869
01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:56,500
really put game plans together
and they're going to the college

1870
01:40:56,500 --> 01:41:01,100
ranks because the college ranks
have so many more people also,

1871
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:04,000
you're running a lot more
College style offenses in the

1872
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,300
NFL.
Now, the concepts have changed

1873
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:07,900
like that over the last few
years.

1874
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:11,700
So hopefully there'll be some
news about somebody getting

1875
01:41:11,700 --> 01:41:16,500
hired over the next few weeks.
Because I'm just sitting here

1876
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:18,300
with two weeks away from Spring
ball like we need to get

1877
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,500
somebody hired.
Now, I don't want a position

1878
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:24,000
group to be done.
All right, couple last nose

1879
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,600
before we close it out tonight,
and sort of sucks on both ends

1880
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:34,500
Mike Hawkins, not on the roster
anymore, coach made a brief

1881
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:39,200
Statement with that with Buddy,
David Cunningham over T SL

1882
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,800
about, you know, there's some
things going on, whatever is

1883
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,900
going on in Nikes personal life.
We hope all gets to go.

1884
01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:50,100
Well and then unfortunately for
night and Johnson who's all

1885
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:53,000
probably gonna be depending on
to be a to deep guy in the

1886
01:41:53,008 --> 01:41:55,400
safety room.
He tore his Achilles and he's

1887
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,500
done during workouts, can't
workouts.

1888
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:03,200
So, you know, kind of a bit of
bummer for both of those, you

1889
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,000
know, both those situations.
Has to close it out here tonight

1890
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,300
but you know, you got to talk
about it because I can't

1891
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:12,400
remember the exact time.
You know, last week we talked

1892
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,200
about Jalen Jones moving over,
right?

1893
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:16,700
He's nailing the safety room,
right.

1894
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:20,700
And you see, night Hawkins gone
night Johnson tears.

1895
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:24,500
Achilles, I mentioned what maybe
they'll redshirting this year.

1896
01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:27,100
Probably not going.
If he's playing, good is

1897
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:28,600
probably going to be that way
anymore.

1898
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:33,100
Very true man.
And you know how it is is like

1899
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:36,500
you know, kid.
Like you said, Nikes, he's just

1900
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:39,700
coming off of an injury and
trying to get back and trying

1901
01:42:39,700 --> 01:42:42,600
to, you know, compete for some
time and you get hurt again.

1902
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,800
It's just devastating sometimes
man to the mindset, but I've

1903
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,600
seen him put out, a put out, a
tweet.

1904
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:53,300
I think what he was talking
about, you know, just being

1905
01:42:53,300 --> 01:42:55,100
there for his brothers and being
around the team.

1906
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:58,400
So hope he just keeps his head
in and keep moving forward for

1907
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,300
himself.
There you go.

1908
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:02,800
Yep.
Yep.

1909
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,000
That's big.
I mean time you get injury like

1910
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:06,600
that.
It's definitely a mindset that

1911
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,300
you have to come back from and
you know especially when you're

1912
01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:14,300
coming off an injury, like you
said to Ali, you know, it can it

1913
01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:17,400
can eat at you because you feel
like alright I just I just climb

1914
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:18,700
my way out this hole a little
bit.

1915
01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:23,400
Now I'm kind of back in it so
nothing nothing but your good

1916
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,500
wishes.
His way of Lee speedy recovery

1917
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:28,800
and I know Achilles is always,
that's a tough one.

1918
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:31,000
So So you know, wishing him the
best.

1919
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:35,700
Alright guys?
Anything additional to add

1920
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:39,200
anything breaking while we've
been seared in here for an hour

1921
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,300
and 45 minutes, I just want to
know.

1922
01:43:41,300 --> 01:43:43,200
When are we getting Robbie on
the show?

1923
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,900
I need Robbie on the show.
Well, we have been thinking

1924
01:43:49,900 --> 01:43:54,300
about potentially bringing him
over in April for Spring ball

1925
01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:57,400
preview, just because with it
Riley being a coach.

1926
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:58,900
Robbie usually gives us a little
insight.

1927
01:43:58,900 --> 01:44:02,700
So So and I think Robbie is
discussing coming to Blacksburg

1928
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:05,000
for the spring game.
That is his birthday weekend,

1929
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,500
although I'm Turnt Up Dan.
Are we gonna take it back to to

1930
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:13,900
bring the hot sauce day?
Okay, he's about to post.

1931
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:19,500
Nope, I'm a good man.
All right.

1932
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:22,700
Well y'all, that is going to
wrap up this episode of The

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Check him out on his website.
Jason long.

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And I'm trying to see if Jason

1952
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,900
is going to be anywhere around
the New River Valley.

1953
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:42,200
Finally hitting the spring
weather, man.

1954
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:43,900
He gonna be out here.
We have side now.

1955
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:49,700
Is he got some setup?
No, no, not yet, not yet.

1956
01:45:49,900 --> 01:45:52,600
He's still recovering from
wrestling season, is what it is

1957
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:54,500
coaching.
Those kids all that time to the

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city Championship.
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Fontel Mines

Wide Receivers Coach

Fontel Mines is the wide receivers coach and offensive recruiting coordinator for Virginia Tech. He previously was the tight end coach for the Old Dominion Monarchs. He played college football at the University of Virginia for coach Al Groh from 2002 to 2006 and played in the NFL for 3 seasons from 2007 to 2009.

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