Boston College Game Recap

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Welcome back to the boundary
Corner podcast.

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I'm Curtis Wilson.
I'm Brian Stiegler, buddy.

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We own a Sunday night here.
Got Sunday night football going

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on, and we had a little bit of a
rough Friday night.

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Is that fair to say, little bit
of a rough ride that is debts,

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fair to say it's more than fair
to say ruff is a nice term to

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use for what happened Friday
night.

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I've seen I've seen shit games
that might have been.

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One of the top five were shit
games.

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I've ever seen in, man, we've
got a lot to unload tonight.

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Luckily, we had a full day to
decompress, think about things

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and I tell you, for me, if my
fantasy football team will not

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absolutely kicking ass today.
Thank you, Justin Herbert.

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Hey, thank you for Dale,
Patterson.

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Thank you between this on Friday
night and these guys, where is

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it out here?
San Francisco, just a few hours

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ago losing to cult fucking
McCoy.

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Um, yeah, I'm going to be in a
little rager here, but thank the

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fantasy football.
I was bad but you well, my Colts

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took care of business on
Thursday night, so I didn't have

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to worry too much about the NFL
side of things.

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Unfortunately, we all saw at the
Hokies ID on Friday night to

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follow it up.
So, you know, we're still

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feeling the effects of that one.
And we're going to go over quite

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a few things about that game
tonight, fellas.

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It was, it was one of those that
From the first drive.

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It just didn't feel right and it
went downhill from there.

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Now, from the first drive, it
didn't feel right at all.

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You know, we find out, you know,
that your code is back with

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their missing some pieces.
You know, we find out about Tray

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which we're going to get into
about the press conference and

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what Pete Moore said today,
because that's a hot-button

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fucking topic right now.
But let's start with the One,

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good piece.
He one.

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Good piece on the offensive side
of the ball. somehow Rahim and

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Malachi, both averaged over five
yards, a carry With I think the

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entire Boston College team in
the Box.

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Yeah, I mean it was bad.
I digitally but once Braxton

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went down, they knew we were
running the ball and, you know,

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we were still able to more or
less Keep the running game

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going, even if it was getting
stifled, once we get into an

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area where, you know, they had
to go up a little bit, we were

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still moving the ball, somewhat
effectively on the running game.

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It just, it wasn't something
that we could go to enough to

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get first downs consistently
because of the loaded boxes.

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It's it's frustrating because if
you had any semblance of a

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passing game to pair, with what
they've been Doing, you know, we

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saw it especially against
Georgia Tech which I know that

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still Georgia Tech, but if you
can do anything with the passing

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game, you know, this running
game can open up a little bit.

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But you know, without that
threat I mean it was, it was

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tough going.
It was very outgoing and you

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know, only what we only had 12
first downs in the entire game

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12.
We had a couple drives where we

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had six and eight plays and
we've got 18 and 24 yards, That

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is pitiful and I tell you total
passing yard was 73.

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But you not tell me Brian.
Was there?

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Like the pit of despair of?
We're not waiting another.

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We might not be do we might not
be view?

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Yeah I've officially hit that
when I when I saw what they were

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doing and I saw what we were
unable to do and I mean, I know

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this is Boston College, they
have a good Front six.

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Good overall defense.
Yeah.

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But they're not Elite by any
stretch of the imagination.

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Solid, there's thought, you
know, Miami's probably more

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athletic.
Probably less sound.

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You know, we're still going to
see two pretty bad defense has

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coming up with Duke and
especially with UVA it to close

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it out.
But if we can't move the ball

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effectively, we're going to
struggle in all three of these

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contests.
And it was evident especially

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once Braxton went down, but it
was evident from the jump, like

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we didn't look like without
tray.

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We didn't look like we had any
anything that was a threat to

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them in the passing game.
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And that That feeling of
Despair.

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I'm sure it was worth every
hokey who's watching a night or

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listening over the next few days
here.

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Three passing yards.
And it literally took almost to

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the end of the first half to get
a pass complete in those three,

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passing yards.
Yes, 33.

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And what, what's, what's the old
Bob?

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Uecker line from Major League,
what did he say?

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What was it?
Which one?

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One, one, one.
Yeah, one bleeping.

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We got three.
We got three bleep in passing

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yards.
You know, you know baby gets

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banged up, its the ribs, you can
tell it.

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We said it earlier in the season
we set it even before the season

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started, if he gets hurt, this
team is insignificant trouble.

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He's hurting now I don't, I do
not know the time frame, we

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won't know the time frame, let's
just be honest.

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Yep.
You know we're not going to know

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anything about BB until we won't
know until 3:30 to 40 minutes

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before kick-off, when the media
starts reporting of who's out,

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throwing the football and
practice in warming up pregame

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that's when we'll know.
And after, yes, I'd from that,

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it's going to be interesting
because We don't.

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And we're going to talk about it
more here in a little bit.

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But it's, it's this so close to
the vest game that this staff

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plays to the detriment of
everything, how folks view them,

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how folks embrace the program.
I mean, there's just so many

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missed opportunities with the,
the pr in the messaging that the

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fans get.
And it's starting to To take a

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toll, I think on everybody. it
is, I mean, you know, Not to get

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off topic too much of their
sorry.

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We'll get there, we'll get there
but it's just you know, the

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messaging is bad, you know, the
messaging is bad.

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But what's worse Braun is.
Okay, so you get an ox, K them

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to come in, right?
And we've already mentioned

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that, it's not gonna be a good
situation.

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I do think watching knocks throw
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I think, Knox has a slightly
better armed than Braxton.

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He's not he's got a stronger arm
yes'm not near the athleticism.

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Not Nearly the worry about the
back end, if they're breaks, but

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that we come in and the first
pass, he completes first of all,

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they ran a freaking read option
to the short side for him.

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And he realizes, he's four yards
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I think Caleb Smith the slightly
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He just chucked it over shit.
That's the first pass.

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That wasn't a true past.
That was him being a heady

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player, getting rid of the ball
with the actual first two

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passes.
I know this, how to drive you

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crazy because your thing all
year with BB has been let's get

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him easy, throws early, get him
comfortable, you know, let's do

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this.
Then let's go downfield.

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It wasn't one brine.
The first two passes.

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You're not skating.
Shot shell filled shots that

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Kaitlyn tank now take did Miss
play his ball and that's okay

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new quarterback.
I'm not going.

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I'm dating Robinson was a bright
spot, you know less the fumble

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which we'll talk about in a few
minutes but where's the easy

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shit?
Where's the where's the easy

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hook passes?
Where's the swing?

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Where is something that this guy
can see a ball?

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Get completed?
I don't care if it's at the line

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of scrimmage.
Scrimmage or one yard pass.

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It shows tude, the last time.
He threw a significant snap

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through significant ball and it
alive contest was the, the pick

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So Littleton, why are you not
trying to get this guy

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comfortable in this situation?
It is, and it's not like we were

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down twenty one.
Twenty four points?

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Yeah, it was, essentially a two
possession game where we were

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still Within Reach.
We were within reach the whole

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game, which will get to very
soon that's coming up very soon.

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Guess what?
Sit there and It shows the

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ineptitude that the person inch,
I'm just gonna say it right now.

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The SOB calling the play.
He is never going to get another

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Collegiate coaching job ever
ever.

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No one will take him.
I guarantee he's gonna be

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scraping for a high school job.
I mean he's definitely not.

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I mean give him a D3 job
wouldn't.

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Now Marty, Marty wouldn't hire,
why did they go Mark Martin,

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Marty calls the plays be Marty
wouldn't hire me anyway but

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would make him would make it not
Pedro wouldn't want him, did

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you?
Every single week, there more

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things that happen every single
week.

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Yeah.
I mean right now not not letting

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him go is is just kind of
letting him, you know.

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Tied it on news here, it's true,
he's hurt.

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I mean it's hurting our brand
long-term it's hurting his

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viability as a head coach
long-term and it's so many

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different angles especially on
the offensive side of the ball

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that we're just seeing complete
and utter chaos we've been this

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year, so, Far fairly well on
third down but it took a big,

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big collapse this week.
Oh, it was Dreadful.

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I mean, 3 of 12.
I mean yeah, we were right at we

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were essentially right into
their wheelhouse of what they do

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on third down as a.
They're solid top 25, 30 defense

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in every aspect.
They're not great at one thing,

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but yeah, it was, it was
absolutely terrible.

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What's just it begs the
question.

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What are they doing there in the
week?

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What are they preparing for?
At least the last two weeks we

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could say, we looked like a
semblance of a team, but, you

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know, your quarterback goes out
and it's what we talked about.

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It's what we talked about.
There's things that you cannot

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do with Knox.
There's things you can't do with

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him and there's things that you
can't make a couple.

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So as you've said, Brian
numerous times, would you say

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about BB?
I mean, BB has been the reason

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that our offense is moved, but
also the reason our offense

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can't get better, He any he puts
a ceiling on the offense but he

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also keeps the floor somewhat
high.

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And let's not let's not talk
about looking at game on

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Saturday night.
With what hooker did?

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Yeah, we he had more touchdowns
in the first half than we had

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yards throwing and we hard Gorge
rowing for.

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And so it's beginner coming.
Apparently, clear that He was

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the most talented, and if I
can't tell you what I said, 10

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days ago, much less 10 months
ago, understand why he left

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fucks?
Why I left.

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But it was more of a detriment
to the team and he's went

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somewhere with heiple hypos
always coaches.

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Quarterbacks well, always gain.
He is finding a rhythm.

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And, you know, pulling the upset
off at Kentucky, they're

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probably definitely going to the
Bowl.

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The toughest part of their
schedule is, you know I think

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they got, they got Georgia left.
Yep.

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Then it's like maybe I once
often but they've got to to very

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winnable games but they're gonna
they're gonna blow the doors off

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and handi-van.
If they go in there and there

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are five and five and six
they're going to blow the doors

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off the Mandy.
There's not even a doubt about

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that but it's you see how he
passes in the runs especially

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the downfield shots.
And we don't we don't have that

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at all and you know, I mean,
we'll say it, I mean that

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offense is a better offense in
terms of steam and it fits his

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skill set very well.
And and the offense here was a

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fairly good match for his skill
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So I mean, it's not so much like
it's great that he's blowing up

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there and and I'm glad that he's
doing all that but When we look

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at it, if he'd have been here, I
think we would have been we're a

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better team with him than we are
without him.

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And I think and I think and I
think that's aside from scheme,

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I know he's in a better
situation in terms of having a

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little bit higher caliber
players around him will add it

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to the fact you've got better
better scheme overall better

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better coaching this just say
that better.

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Yeah Josh heupel is doing more
with the Tennessee recruits that

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Pruitt brought in improves
doing.

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Yeah, it says a lot about
heiple.

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He walked in there.
He figured it out.

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He wasn't afraid to make a
quarterback change.

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I felt like he wasn't calling
the plays.

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I think he is calling the plays
now, don't quote me on that, but

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he's finding it on the go in how
they competed with Alabama.

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Right.
Yeah, they competed with Alabama

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was a huge sign, and I think in
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even this week is when it is
when they play Georgia, probably

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how they'll compete with
Georgia.

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Well, they're probably about two
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away from making making a press
in the East, not saying that

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they're going to match Georgia,
but they'll be right there in

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the conversation of that next
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One to two years, if they get
some some more recruits in the

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door for that defense.
Abso-freaking-lutely one of the

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things was another positive.
We did not break the scoring

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streak this week.
Thank you, John.

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Parker Romo.
Banging through it by about that

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much the field goal, you know,
in the second quarter to make it

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a 17-13 game, where again, we
were still In reach and reach in

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and we were still in reach with
four minutes and 47 seconds left

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as well, Curtis oh.
Well, well, let's do this first.

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We were on the doorstep to make
it a one touchdown game and tape

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on those the ball and that sucks
because that was probably the

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best Drive of the night that we,
yeah, yeah, three minutes.

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We had some runs.
We had a downfield, passport,

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Avion, making a big play,
another big run, malachite,

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again, with the big run, Gallo
with the big catch and we get

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there.
It's that inside screen and he

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got lit up and it was
essentially the back home from

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behind.
I looked at it.

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It's not like he was loose with
the ball, just perfect, right?

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Just perfect, there's a perfect
punch and although that killed

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defense held up.
We'll talk about them later.

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They weren't perfect but they
did have their moments.

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But what Brian is talking about
is with 4 minutes and 47 seconds

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left.
At.

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Our own, what was it, 25 yard
line, 4th and 6?

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You don't 14, you got two
timeouts in the bag.

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If you pump the ball, you
literally need rien out.

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Score a touchdown in two
minutes, get the onside kick and

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then use for another touchdown.
Essentially, Justin Fuente, came

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quitter make quick wit, he
decided even in the Press was, I

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wanted to give us a chance,
you're down two touchdowns and

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it's under five minutes left.
The most, you can extend this

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game is too.
Six.

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It's six minutes.
You don't have enough time to.

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So he quit if you were if that
was you know seven-and-a-half

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sure that's that's seven a half
minutes left.

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That's a logical thing to make
with with under five minutes

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left to go in the game that is
malpractice.

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Now, that is malpractice because
you're essentially folding up

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shop and saying all right.
Well, I need my defense to give

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me the ball back and then I've
got to do something.

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I haven't done the whole game,
two times.

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Yeah I trust you and you're not
going to get the ball back,

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you're not not the way.
They were running the ball and

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Gala.
We didn't.

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We didn't get the ball back.
You know, we sit here and it was

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just like it was a quick.
It was a surrender cover, it was

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a surrender, cover, it was
malpractice, it was negligent.

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Yeah, it was something that I
didn't think like this was kind

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of a low point for me.
And this is this is classic

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Fuente though.
When we talk about some of the

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weird fourth quarter choices,
some of the, the

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conservativeness, when you get a
lead, like, all of this is from

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the classic Fuente Playbook like
I just don't get being that

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conservative down two
touchdowns, nope, it just, it

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baffles me.
It was one of the most

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head-scratching decisions that
Fuente is made in his entire

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time at Virginia Tech and he's
made some big ones, also nothing

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but this one did it just It
didn't make sense.

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It was pretty much saying, guys
we're done.

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We're done, we're done.
We're not playing any more with

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less than with just under five
minutes left.

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He said, now we're good.
We're cooked.

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We're we, he said to the team
essentially on both sides of the

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ball.
We can't win this game.

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Y'all are not good enough to win
this game.

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I am not good enough to win this
game.

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That's what it was.
That's exactly what it was.

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It's irritating because in that
situation, you have nothing to

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lose.
If you go forward and you miss

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it, the probabilities was
probably about eight to ten

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percent, you could do it.
So very, very small that you

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could actually pull and tie the
game back up.

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Yep.
So well, the thing is that if

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you end up Driving the field and
you get a touchdown there.

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You haven't wasted the clock of
kicking the ball, back to him.

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You haven't wasted your time
out.

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So you can still have two
timeouts by the time you go for

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your onside kick and if you
don't get the onside kick, you

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can still have a chance to get
the ball back, and we'll tie it

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up true.
Once you kick that there, at

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least running what a minute, two
minutes off that their least

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running two minutes off that,
but even if you don't even if

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you kicking you hold perfectly,
It which we have seen already

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probably wasn't going to happen,
even if you stop them, and burn

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two timeouts.
Ten seconds for the kick. 10

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seconds per playwright give or
take sure.

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Yeah four minutes and 15 seconds
on the clock.

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They're going to punch you way
back in your end zone.

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Again, likely and now well, now
you've got a score and you don't

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have the ability.
If you throw a pass on the

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middle of the field and you get
a first down and you can't get

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everybody down, you don't have
the ability to control you.

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Just you're, you're either
wasting the down with the spike

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or you're having a call to play
fast and Waste the time getting

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lined up in a new formation
lacing, time getting the play

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in, all that all of that, fun
stuff, all of that fun stuff.

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So we go to they they run on
place, they win the game.

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All right, so the press
conference comes Brian, we had

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gotten when the tree was going
to be out, right?

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We got win it.
It was Monday night, Monday

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night, when we didn't talk.
About it because we got it for

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me, a source that were not.
It is what it is, right?

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And but we got it from someone,
he's probably not going to play.

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Okay, that's fine.
You know about this early in the

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week.
You probably knew about it

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Sunday.
You probably knew about it.

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Saturday, you can game plan for
what to do in that case.

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Well, I saw it on David cutting
hands, tweet it was, we didn't

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know right up until game time
that.

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That Trey wasn't going to play.
What?

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Yeah, I've been in this
discussion most of the day.

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Oh yes, you had big time.
It's it hasn't been a fun

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discussion because so to me it's
two angles here either this is

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Foo playing injury information
so close to the damn vest that

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he's lying to cover.
Shia, he's covered or he is so

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like, I don't believe that there
is this level of ineptitude that

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he didn't know the status of
trays injury.

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I think this is him trying to be
so close to the With injury

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information that he's
fabricating information to the

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meat.
Yes, whether purposefully or

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inadvertently and it really
doesn't matter because it's

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malpractice either way.
Because I don't believe at all

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that.
The head coach did not know the

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status of the injury to his star
receiver, the number one

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throughout the week.
Yeah, I don't believe that

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whatsoever.
That that would not be the case.

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There's a ton of things.
We heard Whispers, you know, did

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it didn't affect your decision,
it really didn't affect my

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decision in our predictions.
I know some people are like

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coming out and saying Saying,
all you knew this information?

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Okay, listen, the know about
Djokovic.

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Brian talked about that.
We had a wind of tray, you don't

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mention it because if somebody
tells you something and they

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trust you, you don't mention it.
It hadn't reached official

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channel, so I, we weren't going
to talk about it on here.

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We see until it reaches official
channels.

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We don't play that game, okay?
Not at all.

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We're not, we're not going to
sit on here and, and feed you

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hearsay and shit like that.
I mean, damn right.

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We are we might know something
but until it's official in our

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mind, we're keeping it off the
air.

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Yes, we are.
Alright, so that was said some

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the Lash back happened with
trays Mom, I'm You by Wednesday

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that I wasn't, what is it?
She basically she, you win state

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was absolutely.
He was not going to play.

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She canceled her plane ticket to
Boston.

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Cancelled hotel reservation.
She was implying.

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Whoa, we got wind of it.
His mom, you win state.

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She's making all her
cancellation, she's not flying

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up the Boston because Trey's not
going to be there makes perfect

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sense, but the head coach at
Virginia Tech football.

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Team.
Did not know that his number

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one, star receiver.
I call bullshit.

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I think he was trying his
excuse, we know about it.

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So close to game.
So we don't know how to really

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play.
That's why we look like trash.

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No.
You look like trash because

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you're offensive coordinator and
certain guys on that cell Baltar

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trash and you're trying to
protect them and you're making

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yourself look like an ass.
Now.

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Brian, I hope you got this.
Get the Tweet up. if you a

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little reading, which one Forest
week from today, Okay.

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What will Stewart at ESL?
Because all right.

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So Pete Morris, please let me
clarify a few items.

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The medical staff and coaches
are in constant communication.

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Every injury is different game.
Availability, may not be

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determined until later in the
week in many instances player.

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Safety kancare is always a top
priority.

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That's great Pete.
But you didn't give us any new

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information there.
Everything you just said, is

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something that in my mind I had
already assumed was the case.

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Yeah, you didn't answer the
question.

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The question is, why did the
head coach?

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State in a press conference that
they didn't know that Trey was

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going to miss this game till
very late in the process when

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his mom knew for certain on
Wednesday.

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And other people knew as early
as Monday that it was a good

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probability that he wasn't
playing.

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So what is it?
Is it the medical staff not

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reporting injuries to the coach.
Is it the coached lying?

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Well, I'll pee did was throw
gasoline on this thing because

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all because he came out there
with.

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And I mean, I'll say it's just
that like classic generic PR

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bullshit that did nothing to add
to the conversation.

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It merely pointed out
information that most fans had

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already assumed it.
Pissed us off.

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If you want more than me, I had
something.

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He's going on here today.
Some errands running and you

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were lighting it up, but it when
I read it is like, no, the

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question is, why why did he not
know?

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And the wise are either a he's
lying.

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Or be somebody truly didn't tell
him and I really find that hard

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to believe.
I find that hard to believe.

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I find it hard to believe that
he did not know he was going to

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be there all on him, all on him
100%.

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And You Know, It's Just So
that's the offense.

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That's the fire.
That was a lot of fun.

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But let's go over to the
defensive side of the ball.

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Siglo over here, set it on
Wednesday night.

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There were some Whispers That
there was a chance your coat.

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It could be that You didn't say
definitively.

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He's going to be back.
You just said you had read in an

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article.
I don't know where it was

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published.
I saw someone that was

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affiliated with BC tweeting that
jerk.

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Oh, Vic had been seen throwing
at practice?

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Hey, he saw someone tweet this.
So it wasn't, like, we got this

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behind the scenes and we held
it.

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He said this on Wednesday night
because of that, tweet, from

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someone associated with the
program, And then on Friday,

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00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,500
just a few hours for game time
till Djokovic will be starting

448
00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:00,100
tonight and is their offense, a
lot different between your

449
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:04,900
kovacic Rosell or Alexander.
No.

450
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:12,100
I mean I mean they really I mean
obviously Moorhead can, yeah,

451
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:14,200
you're good.
Moorhead has a little bit more

452
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:21,000
of a of an arm than Rosell but
and obviously Phil we saw was a

453
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,800
little bit.
Still a little bit limited with

454
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,500
what he could do with his arm
right now.

455
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:29,300
Sure probably a grip thing and
not being able to rip it like he

456
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:34,000
wants to and just general rust
from not playing for what?

457
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,300
Been weeks, six weeks, six
weeks?

458
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,900
Yeah, six weeks.
So the combination of those two

459
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,100
things are probably what's what
held him back.

460
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,500
But I mean, they were still
running the full complement of

461
00:30:45,508 --> 00:30:50,800
their offense, you know what the
wrinkle the mean wrinkle of him

462
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,600
on the read option.
It baffled us.

463
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,500
And I mean men, he went 70
yards.

464
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,500
You know, unlike nine carries
over seven yards a carry

465
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,800
including that one play where we
had him dead to rights about 12

466
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,100
yards in the backfield.
He avoids not one but two

467
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,000
potential sacks and gets up the
field for a 10-plus yard game.

468
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:21,400
Yeah and and if you ask me and
this is me this offense wasn't

469
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,800
going to change whoever was out
there.

470
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,700
But if you put it on a scale of
1 to 100, even an injured, your

471
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:33,200
kovich is probably somewhere
between and 80 and 90 versus

472
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,100
we're gonna sell and Moorhead
will be below that.

473
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Humor, 8 full, we've seen them
compete with some of the better

474
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,300
teams.
Yeah.

475
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,900
And I think the thing that we
can see was missing, he wasn't

476
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,700
able to rip it.
Like he normally is and like I

477
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,600
said, I think that's probably
due to not being able to get at

478
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,100
least feel comfortable with the
grippy at, on the football.

479
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,400
And like I said, probably just
still knocking off some Rust

480
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,200
with the timing and everything
with his receivers, but there

481
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
definitely wasn't the zip on the
ball when he was throwing it

482
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,600
down the field.
Like we're used to still, was

483
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,000
better than good.
Get down the field then gross L

484
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,500
had been on the whole the last
six weeks but you probably

485
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:17,000
probably lost a little bit in
terms of arm strength, compared

486
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
to what you have got with
Moorhead, but you probably roll

487
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,200
with the more seasoned player at
that point.

488
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,500
So that's probably why they went
that direction.

489
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,800
And I know they kind of left it
up to him and sounds like

490
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:29,400
whether he felt comfortable
going, he went in there and said

491
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,600
he wanted to play so they played
him and you know, he didn't have

492
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,200
his best game throwing the ball
but he Me too especially way

493
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,300
they were running the ball with
Garwin the way they were using

494
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:44,400
that read-option with him and
taking advantage of a lot of

495
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,300
missed tackles by our defensive
front six.

496
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,900
Yeah.
And you talk about the arm

497
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:51,200
strength and you think about,
let's think about two of the big

498
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,900
plays that early in the game.
It gave me the feeling that, you

499
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,500
know, we're not going to win
this game.

500
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:01,100
It's just you have those breaks.
Let's talk about Dorian strong,

501
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,300
he rolled out, and he tried to
throw the ball, and he's short

502
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:05,200
of the ball and Dorian just
picked it.

503
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,000
And Dorian's running trying to
find a lane to get up and give

504
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Djokovic credit, he came back
down, field bump the ball loose.

505
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,700
And they recover.
And you just sign.

506
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,300
I sat there and said they had a
good drive.

507
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:25,200
Going.
Try to roll pocket, throw you

508
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,300
left it.
A little short, young guy came

509
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,200
up, picked it.
And there are some people on the

510
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
timeline, there were screaming
like when I saw him running

511
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,200
around like that looking for
something I was just screaming.

512
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,300
Go down, go down.
There's nothing there he didn't

513
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:44,200
they fumble?
They score off that with

514
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,500
actually a jerk covid run.
Yeah.

515
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:52,400
And if that wasn't bad enough I
feel like that the next one was

516
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,900
even worse.
Because how many times do you

517
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,900
see that happen?
Yeah I mean daily comes in makes

518
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,100
a good pass defense.
Probably could have knocked it

519
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,900
towards the ground a little bit
more but bang-bang play.

520
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,699
Their tipped is like eight yards
back like what?

521
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:14,800
Like yeah like eight or nine
yards back and you know winner

522
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,900
gets the the reception there
ends up.

523
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Being a first down, you know,
you think you're potentially

524
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,699
getting off the field again and
then all of a sudden you're

525
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:26,300
looking at another first down
for the other team and those are

526
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:27,600
two.
That's the to play those like

527
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600
the are this this unit snake
been denied that they can't do

528
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,699
anything, right?
Even when they do right, they do

529
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:36,500
wrong.
And then on that one to Winter,

530
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,500
he doesn't even catch it and get
the first down.

531
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:44,800
He's a yard short, they plow
over the defensive line Djokovic

532
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,199
does on sneak easy first down.
Down what?

533
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
You know, how do you feel?
How does secondary field?

534
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,300
Ryan, how does a secondary have
to feel when they we've got to

535
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,500
pick.
We stopped them on Third and

536
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,500
long with a great pasta flexion.
And they essentially got 10

537
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,200
points out of it.
Yeah.

538
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,900
Hi, like how do you even stay in
the mindset?

539
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:09,800
That How do you even stay in the
game after that happens in the

540
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,000
first 20 minutes of it?
Yeah, is definitely

541
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,700
disheartening the fact that they
kept coming back and you know

542
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:26,600
still hell the pass game more or
less in check for most of the

543
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,900
game.
Yeah, they weren't able to do a

544
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,500
ton down the field even when
they took shots, obviously they

545
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,000
were purposefully leaning on
their running game.

546
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,300
Most of the time, especially
once they got that big early

547
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:44,100
lead, but You know, it was kind
of it was kind of hard that even

548
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,800
when they were making plays, you
know, they've it's still ended

549
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,800
up working out for the offense,
so that was frustrating early on

550
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,500
and I think some of that
frustration carried over.

551
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,400
But, you know, when we look at
the running game, that's where

552
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,900
that's where things started to
fall apart for the defense

553
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,800
d-line, and linebackers were
getting kind of pushed around by

554
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:13,900
that offensive line Lindstrom
was a wasn't Animal inside their

555
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,500
get into this second level on
Dax, most of the night, it was

556
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,700
wasn't pretty dead Dax and
Tisdale were finding themselves

557
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,900
out of position a lot.
It kind of see it was more of

558
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,700
that 2020 style.
Shit rearing its head.

559
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,600
Here you go.
It looked as close to 2020

560
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:44,000
defense as I've seen.
Seen this year and that was

561
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,400
disheartening and it's not that
they went out there and they

562
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,200
gave up a ton of points.
The they're still doing a freely

563
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,000
and fairly decent job of bending
and not breaking, but you got to

564
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,700
get a team like that off the
field more than you did you.

565
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,800
Absolutely.
And that's the problem is, that

566
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,200
they extended so many drives.
There were so many 10 and 12,

567
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,800
Play drives, and then just
methodically, moving the ball

568
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,400
down, field it, and then you
can't do that when A thin team

569
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,700
especially up front and I mean
you're going to wear yourself

570
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,900
down so fast and that's what
happened.

571
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:21,800
I know.
And you know Garland over 130

572
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,700
carries he looked like he was
like under force.

573
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,000
It was the second worst yards
per carry production game since

574
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,100
Temple, but he still went over
100.

575
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:36,500
They went to 34 is a teams.
The sad part is for us.

576
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,600
At least it's the this was the
death by a Thousand Cuts that

577
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,600
you always talk about.
They had no gains over 20.

578
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:47,900
No running gains over 20 yards.
But you know what they had and

579
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:49,700
you already mentioned it kind of
talking about.

580
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:53,200
They just kept leaning and just
kept long extending Drive. 22

581
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:59,600
first downs. 22 in 50% on third
down and fourth down.

582
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,300
So you know every other time we
had a chance to get him off the

583
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:06,300
field, we couldn't they extended
the drives.

584
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,500
So in one sense you get pissed
the defense like damn you guys.

585
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,100
Why don't you make that 25%?
On the other hand, you say got

586
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:19,500
them off the field, a lot and
they did keep us in this game

587
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:23,100
because they didn't give up big
plays because even though they

588
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,100
were missing tackles and it was
ugly at times, they were still

589
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,600
stopping drives at times if the
defensive magic imagine if You

590
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:36,300
played sound like a god, like a
seven to three games.

591
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,700
Yeah, it would have been an ugly
ugly.

592
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,800
Matt, Bevin we played sound
defense by the took the over

593
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,500
would have just like, went out
back and just hang their head

594
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,700
against trees.
Like, why did I take over

595
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,200
against these Duty?
Yeah.

596
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,000
And and everything we saw on
defense, there was nothing

597
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,700
egregiously bad.
It was just consistently not

598
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,300
enough to get off the field.
Yeah.

599
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,300
And I think That goes back.
I mean, some of that's by Design

600
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,600
with this Bend, don't break
style but that's where Bend

601
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,300
don't break style in a game,
like this comes back to bite

602
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:11,200
you, right?
But because because you're

603
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,800
killing your killing the, the
the time of possession you're

604
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
getting killing time of
possession, and then your

605
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,800
offense can't do anything with
it.

606
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:23,300
It's true, but a lot of the
times Brian, it was the missed

607
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:27,700
tackles that were happening.
You know, instead of being the

608
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,200
three are gain, it was the five.
Yeah.

609
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,400
Instead of you will only have
six tackles for loss no sax.

610
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,700
Instead of being the tackle for
loss and putting them at second

611
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,200
and 12 second, 11.
They'd get it back to the line

612
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,500
of scrimmage or one or two more
yards, and that's the ones we've

613
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,800
talked about it.
Several times up.

614
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,100
That's the frustrating piece.
It's, because it's the momentum,

615
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,100
right?
Because you imagine those guys

616
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,500
coming off after they go out.
I listen.

617
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:57,000
Hey, keep running hard.
They had you for a six yard

618
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,600
loss.
You made it a one-yard gain.

619
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,300
They had you for a sack and you
got the ball away.

620
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,200
It mentality.
Its momentum.

621
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:07,900
It's being able to walk to the
sideline and saying you're this

622
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:09,800
close.
You keep pressing instead of

623
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,900
being a zero yard gain, you're
going to get five and that's

624
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,200
what they did.
And they kept pounding and kept

625
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,300
pounding on us until eventually,
you know, at the end be set on

626
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:22,700
the ball for the 447, they took
it out, they won the game.

627
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,900
I want to, I want to what I want
to address before we go to break

628
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:32,200
here.
Brian, the Dax incident That's

629
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,100
got a personal foul penalty
later on Djokovic, borderline,

630
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:40,300
whatever.
And then He essentially shove

631
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:43,800
Jeff Heffley.
This is my view on that.

632
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,300
If he does not shove Jeff
Heffley, he would have fucking

633
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,000
ran Jeff haffley over in
probably seriously fucking

634
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,500
injured him.
So there were people for janya

635
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,200
tech fans on the timeline.
Saying, what kind of shit is

636
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,400
this?
This is garbage.

637
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,400
This is the type of player coach
Know, believe it or not, him

638
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,400
shoving him down to the ground.
Probably seriously.

639
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,400
Help halfling.
Not get fucking killed by

640
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,300
240-pound linebacker, fully
padded.

641
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200
My opinion.
I don't know how you feel on the

642
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,400
incident Brian, but I think how
backs what he did was right?

643
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,900
Not, if you really want to hurt
haffley, he could have just kept

644
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,200
running.
I don't think there was intent

645
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,700
in what he did in terms of
trying to trying to shove him,

646
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,000
out of the way, out of
frustration.

647
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,600
I think it was just, he's there.
Let me get this guy to the way

648
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:44,100
as I'm running through.
But if you combine it at the

649
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,300
time and I get where the were
the knee-jerk reaction comes

650
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:51,100
from because you got to play
that probably wasn't the

651
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,300
smartest play, by him anyway, he
should have been aware of where

652
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,300
he was on the field.
Not carried, carry through the

653
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,600
tackle and took him to the
ground with the push.

654
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:09,300
So that's It wasn't quite the
bang-bang play there, and then

655
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:13,400
you add that that action after,
after that happens.

656
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,900
You get why the knee-jerk
happened?

657
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,300
The knee-jerk reaction on that.
I think it's Much Ado About

658
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:23,500
Nothing or at least not.
Not anything worth dwelling on

659
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,000
it.
Kind of is what it is.

660
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:33,100
The play that hurt us was the
play of the of the tackle

661
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:34,800
itself.
Not anything had happened

662
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,900
extracurricular.
There we go.

663
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,000
So we'll put that one to bed and
again if you were under a rock

664
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,300
for the last 48 hours or so look
he's end up losing 2:43 up in

665
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,900
Boston during the red bandana
game, and Brian what we'll do.

666
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:57,000
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Now back to the episode All
right, and we are back.

677
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:35,500
So earlier today, me and Brian
put our heads together and said,

678
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:39,800
we need to throw this out here
because what CH loss is worse of

679
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,700
the last three seasons.
Is it Duke in 2019?

680
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:51,000
Is it the pit game 4714 of 2020?
Or is it this game?

681
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:55,900
And we put a pole out here in
almost 400 of you guys have

682
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,100
responded.
We really appreciate that and

683
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:06,500
brought on drumroll, please.
The winner is 2019, Juke

684
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:11,500
carrying 68% of the vote.
Second place at 29%, I think

685
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,100
carrying maybe a little more me
and you were surprised was the

686
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:19,700
BC game from Friday at 29%.
And then last but not least with

687
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:23,000
a handful of boats is the pit
2020 game.

688
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,500
Yep.
Now go ahead run.

689
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:29,300
I was going to say we did have a
couple other right ends.

690
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:34,700
The other one that was probably
the strongest was ODU from from

691
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:39,000
2018 ODU and pit from 2018,
several of those.

692
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,100
But I just wanted to go through
some of the comments here and

693
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,200
let's just talk about some of
our listeners will give you a

694
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,700
shout outs out there.
Let's start with our boy tally.

695
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,800
He said BC, and he said, because
we had zero highlights.

696
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,600
It is true, we had no real
highlights in this game,

697
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,200
everything bad.
Other than Peter, more kicking

698
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,300
the ball.
Three yards at halftime just

699
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:05,700
enough said, I boy James Ambrose
hits up all of the above

700
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,200
inferior opponent and Duke pit
was missing talent.

701
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,900
That game BC was just this was a
coaching Miss.

702
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:17,300
Here's one of the 2018 pit James
Copeland God we chat with Cajun

703
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:22,500
Ali.
He put 18 jute or 18 pit as the

704
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:28,000
worst But on here was Duke 19
and he said that was when the

705
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,500
nation saw through wasn't it,
dip a couple more we're going to

706
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,900
keep going, just and then we'll
give our complete thoughts on

707
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:39,500
this because you guys make, I
won't give credit.

708
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,000
It wasn't most of you guys
didn't.

709
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,300
Just put the game and then leave
it.

710
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,000
You put your reasonings behind
it and I love when people give

711
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,600
their opinion in their thoughts.
So I'm going to read a couple

712
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,600
more brown eyes.
I'm already quite a few more

713
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,900
because you guys did awesome
tonight.

714
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,500
GJ p v t0 9:00 after the
debacle, 2018, food needed a new

715
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:07,900
start in 2019, he did not get
it, he did not get it after the

716
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:12,900
shit show, that happened in
Chestnut Hill and then the ODU

717
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,300
game and then the close call
with ermine do game with the

718
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:19,500
beginning of the end.
He turned the tide midseason but

719
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:21,900
we closed out on a sour note.
Yep.

720
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,400
Jake Lamb 2019, because cooker
would have been number one in

721
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Camp.
Dixon Mills hits, ODU, 2019.

722
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,200
I said, I think you meant 18.
He did say that was it, but 2019

723
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,200
was the precursor for the Duke
game because the Furman and the

724
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,700
ODU game watching those two.
What happened to Duke was not a

725
00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:46,000
surprise to a lot of people.
Yeah.

726
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,100
We'll keep going here.
My buddy Pete, the over too.

727
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:53,600
Deep Duke was the Duke was the
worst because the worst home

728
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,400
loss and it was a bad Duke team
and CJ from VA.

729
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,700
This was the one you were
talking about Brian none.

730
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,500
It's ODU.
We were ranked in the top 15.

731
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:06,300
They were owing three.
They had lost to bad team.

732
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:07,900
They finished four and eight.
We were there.

733
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:11,200
Last, we were there first to
four wins at season.

734
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,600
You had been downhill since then
and I think everything is right

735
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,600
there.
I will Count the value of the

736
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,300
ranking because we should have
been ranked at that point in the

737
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:25,100
season.
It was it was totally still

738
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:29,300
based off of the strength of the
Phantom FSU win.

739
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:34,400
But everything else you said was
spot on there and it definitely

740
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,500
looked worse because the fact
that we were ranked, obviously,

741
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,300
that that heard in terms of
perception, even though the

742
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:44,700
perception was a little bit of a
facade, you want to give your

743
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:46,200
take first.
You want me to lead on this?

744
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,800
Well, let's let's before we give
our take on what we feel.

745
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,500
Is the words.
Let's go with the other two

746
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,300
because believe it or not.
Of the one we agree with me and

747
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:57,500
Brian agreed.
On the same one.

748
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:02,200
Let's start with the, with the
furthest back almost over two

749
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,700
years ago, the Duke 20 Nightwing
loss.

750
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,000
We had hope right Brown.
Even after that loss, there was

751
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,900
hope.
We brought Jerry Keeling.

752
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:21,100
We had Quincy and we had hindon
to force for quarterbacks both

753
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:26,200
highly ranked in the wings.
They were there, we had a good

754
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,100
Core group of players right
after 2018, those guys were

755
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,700
going up like yeah, it was like
it was shitty, but you feel like

756
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:41,100
things could change and then You
felt like there was at least a

757
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,600
pivot.
There was at least something to

758
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,900
Pivot to even if that pivot
didn't work.

759
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,200
There was something there right?
Yeah.

760
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:56,100
There was something there and
it's the Shawshank Redemption on

761
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,700
right Ron.
Yep.

762
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,900
Hope it's a good thing.
It's the dangerous thing and it

763
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:07,400
was dangerous for this fan base
because what happened between

764
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,900
the Miami game and even the bowl
game, you felt like okay this

765
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:13,800
might be on back on the right
track.

766
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,000
Yes, we lost a Notre Dame.
Yeah we lost you vo the first

767
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:25,200
time since we were like 20 that
they done that but it still felt

768
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,300
like hope because with the UVA
game, they needed Perkins to

769
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:31,000
play.
Literally the game of uva's,

770
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:34,000
entire football, history, to win
that game.

771
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,300
And then the Kentucky game, The
game Friday night.

772
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,900
I'll just say it.
I can't I didn't vote for that

773
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:48,500
one.
And I didn't vote for do 2019,

774
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,300
because I felt like Friday
night, Brian.

775
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:58,100
It's over It's over.
Yeah, it's going to be very hard

776
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:02,400
for them to come back from that
because that was as flat of a

777
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,900
performance, especially on the
offensive side as, as we've

778
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:10,300
seen.
And in terms of just output in

779
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:13,000
general, as bad as we've seen, I
mean, there's been other games

780
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,400
where our offense hasn't done
well, but, you know, we're

781
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,900
talking about a hurricane game
or shit like that, not not

782
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,800
Perfect.
Fall conditions, in Chestnut

783
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:32,500
Hill 40 degrees risk all night
and that happened, you know,

784
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,800
it's over that.
I think that's the general

785
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,700
consensus.
That's it's coming down.

786
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:42,500
How quick it happens.
I think that's that's to be

787
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,500
determined.
I said it based on, just the

788
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:49,700
performance and then the post
game stuff.

789
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,000
I didn't think you should have
made it to the MonDay, presser

790
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,900
and we'll see.
Obviously, it seems like he

791
00:50:54,900 --> 00:51:02,000
will.
It's it'sit's just so it'sit's

792
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,900
laughable.
At this point, it is getting to

793
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,800
the point that apathy is said
in, in the fan base, the fan

794
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,100
base is done and I'm sad because
I hope so.

795
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,200
Still show up for the Duke game
because the seniors deserve it.

796
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:17,000
The players in general deserve,
it seniors are developing guys

797
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,500
deserve.
They've been playing, they've

798
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:25,200
been playing their ass off, man.
In they've been let down by

799
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,900
their staff.
They've been let down by the

800
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,600
program in general.
And I hope that we are able to

801
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,200
make the right decision to move
on because the players deserve

802
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,100
it, the players deserve to when
they go out there and lay some

803
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,200
I'm up that they're going to
have the best chance they can of

804
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,900
coming away with a victory and I
feel like that's that hasn't

805
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,400
been the case for at least two
years now, if not longer.

806
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,700
You know, I think as we've
talked about a little bit with

807
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,700
with this, you know, we felt
like Jerry kill helped out in

808
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:06,200
2019 and there was hope that
that would carry over after he

809
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,100
left and it absolutely has not
well what happened last night?

810
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,700
Not think what we felt happened
after 2019, we saw those things

811
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,600
in place and I think you talked
about carryover you felt like

812
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,900
there will be new things
implemented.

813
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,700
Things will be done differently
in.

814
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:24,900
It looks like it was going to be
that way.

815
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,100
It shows that the ever so
lessons learned from Jerry kill

816
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:31,000
there was no Lessons Learned.
There were, no, the lessons were

817
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,100
learned put into practice when
they needed it, and then

818
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:36,700
immediately reverted back,
right?

819
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,600
It's like, you know, it's like
punishing your child for doing

820
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:47,100
something.
And taking a toy away and then

821
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:51,800
giving that toy back and then
the then the same behavior

822
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,600
happens again and you're just
like, and that's what's

823
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,900
happened.
They were shown what they were

824
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:01,300
doing wrong, they were
corrected, he was out of bounds

825
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:03,700
by the way, I don't, you know, I
don't know what they've ruled.

826
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,800
I can't hear it.
He stepped out of bounds and he

827
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,200
was the first guy to touch the
ball, he was not forced out.

828
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,700
It looks like that's for me
because I have Higby on my

829
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:18,300
fantasy team.
All right.

830
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:24,800
So obviously we've talked BC
2021, we are the three

831
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,800
percenters.
Yeah, we're the three

832
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,800
percentage.
Yeah, it sounds like some sort

833
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:38,400
of group for those, if you're
listening, if you voted for pit.

834
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,800
DMS or plowing the chain.
Because literally out of about

835
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,200
400 votes.
When it's like three person.

836
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,700
It's literally like six or seven
of us and it's me and Brian were

837
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,000
talking throughout the day in
just four.

838
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,700
We jumped on here tonight.
Why was pit so bad?

839
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,400
Pit was bad because they were
missing the large majority of

840
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,300
their all-conference caliber
players.

841
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:14,400
We came into that game in a
winnable batch up and just got

842
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,300
the dog shit.
Beat out of us, we were more or

843
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:19,500
less.
It was one of the times of the

844
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,100
year where we were more or less
healthy going into that game

845
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:29,700
last year mostly full complement
of weapons and we did nothing

846
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:34,000
and we let them run up and down
the field on us let them throw

847
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,600
up and down the field on us and
we had nothing to respond with

848
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,700
on offense.
It's we did nothing.

849
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:44,300
He looked terrible.
We looked uninterested

850
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,700
especially on offense,
especially with the defense.

851
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,200
Remember the first half of that
game defense played good.

852
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,300
We were kept us in it and then
the wheels fell off in the

853
00:54:54,308 --> 00:54:58,200
second half.
This is why I chose that game.

854
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,600
If you remember guys, last year
Liberty?

855
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,200
I was out firing.
This was the game that push

856
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Braun over the edge and that's
when Whispers started of he's

857
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,900
going to be gone, he's going to
be gone and that's why this game

858
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:16,800
to me.
I voted for because it was we

859
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,500
thought after that game it's
over.

860
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:24,300
We're going to get a whole new
regime, you know, we're going

861
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:29,700
to, you know, probably get some
more We're going to get some

862
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:35,000
more working, probably some more
funding that our assistance will

863
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,300
recruiting staff.
And when the press conference,

864
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,700
with what happened after you V8,
and it didn't happen.

865
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,500
I revert back to this game and I
said that was it that they were

866
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,300
missing.
So many players, we coach so

867
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:50,400
bad, we played so bad.
That's the coach.

868
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,500
This is the issue and you rip
the rug out from us.

869
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:59,200
And 2018 pit.
Yeah, that was really bad, but

870
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,600
after what we'd seen early in
that season, it was expected to

871
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,000
happen.
Yeah.

872
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,500
That didn't shock me as much.
I mean, we were a very young

873
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:08,800
team.
We just lost a lot of our core

874
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,400
players from the previous
season.

875
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:15,500
It was a bad loss because that
bet pit team was not as good as

876
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:19,600
the 2020 B team, but the 2020
pit team was missing more of the

877
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,100
players that counted in that
game than the 2018.

878
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,500
So and it was also we was all
set.

879
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:31,300
Where, you know, 2018 after 2016
and 2017, you're not pulling the

880
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:35,900
plug on your head coach 2020.
After that performance, that was

881
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:38,600
a pull.
The plug level loss.

882
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,800
Yes.
And that's why it's different.

883
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,900
That's why?
That's why ways more for me,

884
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,300
especially what had happened
with, but there was a step to

885
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:48,200
get there.
Right?

886
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,600
But why North Carolina had
looked the way we had played

887
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,100
against wake, the Liberty game
and then that game.

888
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:58,400
Then that game there were there
was all of this thing on the

889
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,200
table, so that's us.
And we are clearly in the

890
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,400
minority here and that's fine.
And I don't think anybody that

891
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,100
answered otherwise is wrong.
I just think, I think we have a,

892
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,900
we have different opinions of
power where it is and, you know,

893
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,300
people that say yeah, that's a
bad Duke team and he should

894
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,700
never get blown out by Duke
especially in whom I 110 percent

895
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:29,200
agree with you but There was
there's one thing in 1921.

896
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,100
They got stolen 19, you had hope
21.

897
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:36,400
We have hope 20, The Hope got
stolen from us a few weeks

898
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,400
later.
That's the big.

899
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,700
That's why I had a vote for
because the hope that stole from

900
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:45,400
me feel he hasn't gotten stolen
at least from Corning 21 yet.

901
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:48,500
I hope they don't steal 2021
because I will put this poll out

902
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,400
again and I will vote the BC
game, not the pit game.

903
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,400
All right, Brian, this is this
is Last segment.

904
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,500
Well next to last time we're
going to talk about our pics in

905
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:04,400
a little while here.
A buddy at car, we chat with

906
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:13,200
their follow them on Twitter, he
made a statement and after

907
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,100
what's happened.
The last two years, we have to

908
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:21,500
visit it and basically Eric at
the aircar following if you like

909
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:26,000
Okie football tweeted.
This is VT football worse today

910
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200
than it was the day.
Frank Beamer retired in 2015.

911
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,400
That would have been after the
Independence Bowl win.

912
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,100
In over.
Tulsa we go seven and six.

913
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:39,200
Our only losses by more than
double digits that year or ten

914
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,800
point loss to Ohio, 10 point
loss, to Miami and the lost Ohio

915
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,600
State opened the season.
Every other loss was a touchdown

916
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,500
or less.
Keep going here.

917
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,200
Going into the November 12th
week, end of 2015.

918
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:05,900
It was, was it four and five
were four and five?

919
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:12,900
And we go down the stretch and
we win the game.

920
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,600
We lose Frank's last home game
in overtime to UNC and we win

921
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:22,700
the UVA game to go.
Six and six similar here with

922
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,600
you.
I had to look that up.

923
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,000
I forgot who it was.
We played the week prior to

924
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,300
don't worry, I'm going to effort
this real quick because I want

925
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:37,700
to remember who we played in
2020.

926
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:44,600
For 2015.
One moment, everyone, the game

927
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,900
before UNC the game for UNC,
unless you have it up there.

928
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:51,800
There we go.
We beat Georgia Tech.

929
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,200
We beat Georgia Tech.
By two points.

930
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:07,400
And let's let's let's do this.
Braun okay?

931
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:12,900
What you got 2015 going into
2016 verses 21 going to the 22

932
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,500
with Talent worse or better that
year in your opinion, Talent

933
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:22,400
level is Mutt, was much better
in 2015 heading into 16th.

934
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,300
And it is right now, not just
talent, but depth, which is as

935
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,300
just as important is overall
Talent.

936
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,700
It's true.
I agree with that.

937
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:35,700
The only thing we had not ironed
out was the quarterback

938
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:39,100
situation do give the when they
credit for that.

939
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:43,100
But getting Evans in here that
made that team click.

940
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,900
Yep.
Do not know if we would have

941
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,400
went to the ACC title, gamer,
won 10 games out here without

942
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,600
drive-ins.
I'm, I'd say eight, maybe seven,

943
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,000
looking, how this coaching staff
coaches.

944
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:58,900
Now, So write that down, we're
going now into a new regime,

945
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:05,300
likely with less Talent the
other big piece behind and this

946
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:07,300
is big.
I don't give a shit who you are

947
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:11,500
what you say.
Following a coaching Legends and

948
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:13,800
the expectations that have been
set.

949
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,000
We're here.
Yeah, we're here.

950
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,800
Next regime.
You're not following a coaching

951
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,900
Legend, You're not found a
coaching Legend.

952
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:30,000
You're also, I mean, the
expectations, I think in terms

953
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,900
of where we want to be or the
same, I think that out the gate,

954
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:40,400
there will be a lot more leash
than was given previously.

955
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:43,700
And that's just because of the
things we just talked about,

956
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:47,500
which is the talent level and
roster makeup and depth of the

957
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:51,200
roster overall.
We're in a situation where not

958
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,100
It's not just finding a solution
at quarterback.

959
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,900
It's finding the solution at
about three or four different

960
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:58,600
positions.
Yep.

961
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,000
Pretty securely in the trenches
on both sides of the ball.

962
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:07,400
Very true.
The quarterback is the big one

963
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,600
though.
I do think you have Luke coming

964
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:17,400
back, Parker's looked better.
Kate and getting the playing

965
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,700
time this year has helped out.
I don't think he's there but I

966
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:24,400
think he has a potential.
You do need some more depth on

967
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,600
the line.
I think it's defensive in depth

968
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:31,100
on the defensive line.
I feel okay about linebackers, I

969
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:33,300
feel good.
Oh okay about the backend on

970
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:38,300
defense but it's the depth.
There ain't much behind anybody

971
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:41,500
so I'm with you on that, but
it's the expectations.

972
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:44,300
I think we as a fan base or
probably going to go into this

973
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:48,300
thing that first year depending
on, who comes how the portal,

974
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:51,800
looks who stays in the
recruiting class, who we get

975
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,200
from the transfer portal, yet
portals going to absolutely be

976
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,400
important.
No matter who comes in, but it's

977
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,600
going to be well as expectations
if we're sitting here a year

978
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,200
from tonight and you tell me
where it's six wins, they have

979
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,300
met expectations if you're
telling me that with three weeks

980
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,800
ago on the seasons, we have six
wins, you've completely met my

981
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:17,100
expectation as of right now,
We've got to see everything that

982
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:19,700
happens.
Check us back in August of next

983
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:23,300
year and see if I say six wins.
Like I said nine this year,

984
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,700
stupid me trusting, this
coaching staff.

985
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,700
All right Brian, let's jump on
the snack, I don't necessarily

986
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:33,500
trust the coaching staff.
I thought I thought talent-wise

987
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:37,300
on the field.
We were better than at least

988
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,400
half the teams on our on our
schedule.

989
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,500
And then we sneak one in their
Sleek one or two in there, and

990
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,200
we haven't done that.
And We've played below our

991
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,100
talent level in a lot of games
and most of that from coaching

992
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,200
decisions that are made in real
time.

993
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:55,600
That's very true.
That's a good point to make you

994
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:00,600
may be a new coach task and
revitalizing the seven.

995
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,200
The seven point loss, the three
point loss in the two point loss

996
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,300
of the four-point loss can all
be flipped, all right?

997
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:13,700
Brian I don't think anybody
should argue about this 2015,

998
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:16,200
2016.
We were significantly needing of

999
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,900
upgrades.
Those are rolling into effect.

1000
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,100
The new coach is going to have
the new weight room.

1001
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:27,800
The new players with the new
dorms, The increased budgets.

1002
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:34,300
So, Ami, that's that, this is
the only area that Fuente is

1003
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:38,300
leaving better than he found it
and he didn't do it, and he

1004
01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:40,500
didn't really do a whole lot to
get it there.

1005
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:48,800
But between what wit had already
put on the the roadmap, plus

1006
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,300
what?
In terms of recruiting and other

1007
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:55,200
things that, you know, Fuente
was able to in terms of

1008
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,600
recruiting staff, I should say
that Fuente was able to bring to

1009
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,800
the table.
Post the bail.

1010
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Flirtation.
The combination of those two

1011
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,800
things have at least moved the
conversation forward.

1012
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,900
Even if not all of the financial
investments have made their

1013
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:14,200
their way home yet.
But more than likely those are

1014
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,200
coming through in the next two
to three years and hopefully

1015
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,700
some of the early big investment
that's made into Reach For

1016
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,300
Excellence.
Can be put towards building that

1017
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:28,700
recruiting staff, or hiring
those offensive and defensive.

1018
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:34,100
Analysts to kind of move things
forward for this team because

1019
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,600
that's where the, I think in
terms of on-field product,

1020
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,600
that's what's going to help the
most out the gate.

1021
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:45,700
So that and obviously, the
assistant salary pool, all of

1022
01:05:45,707 --> 01:05:49,300
that's going to be big in.
That is the one thing that if

1023
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,300
anything, from this tenure,
you're going to say, things will

1024
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:58,100
pointed out.
And I think if things had, let

1025
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:03,500
me ask this, Ron, if 2018 didn't
happen, 2018 didn't happen.

1026
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:08,300
And let's say, we went eight and
five in 2018, we would be behind

1027
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:13,800
a year on all the upgrades. 2018
is going to be considered should

1028
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,700
be considered a blessing in
disguise because when you have

1029
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:22,400
that bad of a season, after
essentially the Frank run at the

1030
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,900
end, it was just Frank's just
getting older, he's slowing

1031
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:26,300
down.
Can't get the recruits.

1032
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,300
It's tougher.
But after the first two years

1033
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,200
are just want to, in 2018
doesn't happen, it doesn't turn

1034
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,100
whitside to.
I've got to get this shit.

1035
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:40,400
Straight up, gotta get this shit
straight now especially in it

1036
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,500
and that there's the upside if
he doesn't come do what he did.

1037
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:50,000
We don't move forward quicker.
Yeah and and I mean, let's talk

1038
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,200
about this too because obviously
the biggest issue that we're

1039
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,900
having in terms of not achieving
what we want to achieve right

1040
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:02,500
now is Is coaching, but all
these other things are playing a

1041
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:06,000
role and the fact that they need
to be addressed, can't be

1042
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,100
understated.
That being said, a good coach

1043
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,600
gets us where we need to be in
spite of that.

1044
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:17,300
Yes.
And you give them something to

1045
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:20,400
build upon they can they can
grow into something even better.

1046
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:24,900
Yeah.
So that's kind of where we are

1047
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:27,300
in this thing and then we talk
about fan engagement, kind of

1048
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:33,400
being the last thing, comparing
the two way different way,

1049
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,900
worse, way worse.
Even the meddling last four

1050
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:41,500
years of Frank?
We were still a In about 60 to

1051
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:46,100
61 think.
I think somebody said this year,

1052
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:50,600
we're at like 58 maybe 50 to the
X, so, 10,000 centrally to and

1053
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:55,100
that's after not having fans and
stands for 2020 and it being a

1054
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:57,600
big fucking deal.
The first two to three weeks

1055
01:07:57,700 --> 01:08:00,600
that we went home.
What did we say on here?

1056
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,500
We said it almost a year ago,
when he was kept, you're going

1057
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,600
to see effects on the fan base.
People are not going to show up

1058
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,300
and then people like, yeah, but
we've been locked in a year.

1059
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:15,100
Yeah.
And for the first few weeks,

1060
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:17,700
it'll be okay.
Yeah, we start fucking up,

1061
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:22,500
you're going to see exactly what
you are seeing at Syracuse.

1062
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,600
And, you know what, we're
probably going to see at the new

1063
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,700
game, which is about 55 56,
thousand in length.

1064
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,899
We don't want to turn into Bobby
Dodd Stadium.

1065
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,000
Yeah.
Do you not want to become that?

1066
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,500
And I don't think, I don't think
we will either, but I think I

1067
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:44,600
think the point and I get that
but that you talk about a team

1068
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,500
in the middle of a city.
They've got other shit to do.

1069
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:51,600
I get that and Virginia Tech is
the biggest show in the state of

1070
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,100
Virginia.
I get that but hold on but you.

1071
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,399
Yep.
It's the city of Richmond in

1072
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,700
Virginia Beach, in Northern
Virginia.

1073
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,600
How many people are driving 3-4
hours, every Saturday.

1074
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,200
We've done it Brian and coming
into Blacksburg.

1075
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,500
What you do not want to do is
convince those people.

1076
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,800
I don't need to go we suck.
Anyway, I'm not going to do

1077
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,000
anything.
I'm not going to be engaged with

1078
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,899
the team.
Yeah, give me folks from like

1079
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:27,800
Lynchburg and Stanton and All
Points.

1080
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,500
West of that is not the hard
part.

1081
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:33,200
It's getting getting folks from
the Tidewater there, every week.

1082
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,800
Getting folks, Richmond, there
every week.

1083
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,899
Getting folks from Nova there
every week.

1084
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:42,800
And once you start losing that
audience, yep.

1085
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,700
Where they might make one One
game a year instead of five

1086
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:49,000
where they might not make a game
this year, because they'll get

1087
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,800
it next year, when the teams
looking better.

1088
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,600
Yeah.
Whatever it may be.

1089
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:55,600
That that's when you're going to
be in trouble.

1090
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,000
And I think it's, we're already
starting to see some of that

1091
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:03,900
creeping in what we say.
And it's not, it's not just,

1092
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:09,500
I'll say this, we've seen it as
we have progressed week-to-week,

1093
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:14,300
based on the podcast, true.
It's drink them.

1094
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:17,500
The more folks are.
We are engaged at the beginning

1095
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:20,300
of the year when things still
look pretty.

1096
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,100
Yeah, it started to trickle away
there is.

1097
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:27,500
Apathy said to him, we see it.
I mean that that's one metric.

1098
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:30,000
You look at the metric of folks
showing up in the stands.

1099
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,000
There's several different
metrics that point to the fan

1100
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,400
base is losing interest in
watching a losing product on the

1101
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,100
field.
And you can only sell hope for

1102
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:47,900
so long into the season every
year before it starts going back

1103
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:49,600
to.
Oh, okay, this is that same

1104
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,800
team.
We saw last year that chokes

1105
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,600
these games away.
This is the same team that

1106
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,500
doesn't quite, get it done
because the coaching staff

1107
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:58,900
doesn't have them prepared
properly on.

1108
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:01,400
Ask you a question, right?
And be very serious about this,

1109
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:04,900
if a change is made last year,
but we're sitting at exactly the

1110
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:07,800
same record this year.
You want to thank engagement.

1111
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,100
Still wouldn't be up.
I mean, yeah, you're going to

1112
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,700
get a honeymoon period obviously
with the new coach especially if

1113
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,700
that new coaches coming in and
actually engaging the fans in a

1114
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:21,200
way that they are used to
historically, but we're also

1115
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,900
going to be sitting here and
saying he had to clean up the

1116
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:28,600
absolute dumpster fire.
That was yeah again you get you

1117
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,800
get morally, she get the
honeymoon period.

1118
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,300
There's going to be a period of
time where we are giving the new

1119
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:37,200
coach the benefit of the doubt.
And hopefully that he's earning

1120
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,500
it because that's one thing that
I will say.

1121
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:43,400
To Fuente is that he doesn't get
the bit of the benefit of the

1122
01:11:43,407 --> 01:11:47,100
doubt because he'd never tried
to earn it in terms of fan

1123
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:49,100
engagement.
Nope, never did.

1124
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,500
If you keep that shit, so close
to your chest that people don't

1125
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:54,300
know what to think, they are
going to write their own

1126
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,600
narrative.
And if you let that go for long

1127
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,900
enough, it's going to become a
problem.

1128
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:03,400
And they're going to give you
the big finger and say, I don't

1129
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,800
need to waste my money.
I'll need to come see, I want to

1130
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,500
know about my program.
I want to know about players, I

1131
01:12:07,508 --> 01:12:08,900
don't know about what's going
on.

1132
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:13,100
We this is college football.
This is not the NFL and they

1133
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:18,700
can't be that tight lipped.
So you know, next guy think

1134
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:22,000
about it in for the next coach
to.

1135
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:26,700
There are numerous Coca-Cola
events every year.

1136
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,400
Their enrichment, Oddworld, all
over the place, my advice to

1137
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,100
you.
When there's a recruit night in

1138
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:36,400
Richmond, go to, when there's
recruit night in title or go to

1139
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,000
it, Nova, go to it.
They always show up for the

1140
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,400
kickoff dinners.
That's fine and dandy if there's

1141
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,300
other events, create other
events, keep engaging.

1142
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:49,600
Send your assistant.
Coaches are two talks in players

1143
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,000
to talk.
That's what's going to get us

1144
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,200
back.
All right.

1145
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,800
Getting getting those coaches
back in the high schools,

1146
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,800
consistently is going to help to
you.

1147
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,100
Damn right.
It is so, you know, again, shout

1148
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,900
out to Eric for saying to that.
And let's just, let's just say

1149
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:07,800
it.
I think we're not significantly,

1150
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,200
lower than where we were.
I don't think we're this far in

1151
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,400
2016, or from 2015.
I do think we're probably about

1152
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,300
a step and a half back of where
we were.

1153
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:23,800
We're not where we were 2015,
but we're not in the dumpster.

1154
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,000
We're just a little bit down.
We're a more attractive program

1155
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,000
financially than we were in
2015, heading into 16.

1156
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,200
But probably by every other
measurable metric.

1157
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,800
We are at least a step behind,
if not more and opinion.

1158
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,200
Makes sense.
So again, we both kind of agree

1159
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,400
that we aren't where we were.
We're lower.

1160
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,500
But knowing this fan base.
Knowing the potential donors out

1161
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,900
there knowing that how they're
setting the money up.

1162
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:03,000
If the next guy gets it Roland
The things can happen, quicker.

1163
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:04,900
Big time.
All right.

1164
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:07,600
Anytime Brian, let's roll into
this Saturday.

1165
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:12,600
Pick them's.
Braun 5 & 5 this week.

1166
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,500
Okay.
What can you do?

1167
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,300
The coin?
Flip GT Miami is what burn me?

1168
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:25,300
Of course it did.
What's GTA in 73?

1169
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:29,400
This week?
Both got wake wrong, both got

1170
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,700
pit, right?
If you put twenty eight and a

1171
01:14:31,708 --> 01:14:34,400
half, like I said, sorry you
lost your money.

1172
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,700
I was all 53 juice for a heck of
a lot more than I thought.

1173
01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:44,700
They would GT Miami.
I know you had to be angry at

1174
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:47,700
points in that game, right?
Our it just like just put these

1175
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:49,700
guys away.
Yeah.

1176
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:52,300
Please and they didn't find me
one.

1177
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:54,900
It was close.
Close!

1178
01:14:54,900 --> 01:15:00,200
Close NC State easily.
Handled FSU.

1179
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,000
They won by two touchdowns so
that line was we taught that

1180
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,100
line smelly right?
Yep.

1181
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,000
Yep.
And you know, next one up

1182
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,200
Clemson, not quite the dramatic
backdoor cover that they had

1183
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,000
last week but they got it late
again.

1184
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:21,600
They did it again.
We both whiffed on the Kentucky,

1185
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,000
Tennessee game.
Yeah, shout out him and hooker.

1186
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,000
You took care of business, man,
and I know there was a couple

1187
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:30,800
questionable calls and no calls
at the end of that one, that

1188
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:35,300
made a controversial, but 8,
shout out to Hendon hooker.

1189
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:39,000
Great job.
Biggest upset of the week,

1190
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,300
Brian.
Told ya that you got me on that

1191
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:47,600
one too, man.
Heard you upsetting Michigan

1192
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,500
State?
I don't we upsetting, they sort

1193
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:55,700
of ran away from them.
And again, you know, Purdue

1194
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,600
playing a top five.
Team is different than Purdue

1195
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,700
playing literally any other
opponent dangerous, very

1196
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:06,300
dangerous.
I like Jeff brohm, I like Jeff

1197
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:10,200
brohm a lot.
As a coach doesn't have the best

1198
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,300
recruiting Style.
But he's also at Purdue.

1199
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,800
So, if you ask me what I like
him to be the next head coach of

1200
01:16:19,808 --> 01:16:23,100
yes, but he's got to make his
staff full of Ace recruiters.

1201
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:27,800
I think he's a great X's and O's
guy but we'll see his bio.

1202
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,600
I'm here in his files, very
high, probably some yes, like 7

1203
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,400
million.
Yeah, really high.

1204
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:41,500
Washington, Oregon, Washington
made it interesting for a long

1205
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:44,500
time in that game on Saturday
night, or you eventually puts

1206
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:50,200
them away, You know what,
Oregon's just like that team

1207
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:55,300
that if it's somebody that's
below them they are similar to

1208
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:58,300
us.
It's like they turn off certain

1209
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:01,700
gears.
Yeah and lucky with them they

1210
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,200
have some Talent.
They can turn it back on and

1211
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:10,700
pull away at the end but you
know you see Washington.

1212
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,200
Let go of half their offensive
staff.

1213
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:16,600
Jenny Lake Champlain, Jimmy like
going to get fired.

1214
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,100
Yeah, well Jimmy Lake knows what
Justin Fuente.

1215
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:25,100
Doesn't that exactly if shit
goes south, get rid of somebody

1216
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,000
to buy you a little bit of time?
See if you can right the ship it

1217
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,400
is this is his second year so
you know after having a I think

1218
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,700
they'd at least solid last year
and he's got a little leeway

1219
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:42,000
there Ole Miss.
Yeah I think he's underachieving

1220
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,900
relative to the keys he was
handed and that's that's why

1221
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:47,200
people are getting antsy.
See.

1222
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:53,200
And I think that that mean you,
you were essentially coming off

1223
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:59,700
a trip to the college football
playoff with the previous regime

1224
01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:04,900
and now, all of a sudden here.
We are exactly Ole Miss handles

1225
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:06,800
Liberty.
In the Hugh, freeze bowl.

1226
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,000
That game was over at halftime.
I don't, I think Ole Miss did

1227
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,400
nothing but Lane when ton lane
lane ran the ball in the second

1228
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,500
half, cut the game in half and
essentially didn't give Liberty

1229
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:21,200
a chance to come back later.
Down, they won by 13.

1230
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,300
I think we said they wind up.
Well, I think we both said 14,

1231
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,400
we were one point off on that
one and the biggest game of the

1232
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,800
day we completely screwed up
completely.

1233
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:39,100
But now am's winning, the other
thing was Arkansas.

1234
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:41,300
Beat Mississippi State, Arkansas
is going to get ranked this

1235
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:42,400
week.
Mississippi state's going to get

1236
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,300
ring unranked this week, but
Alabama's going to have multiple

1237
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:49,400
wins over multiple ranked teams,
just all the way it's going to

1238
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,000
look.
They're going to continue to

1239
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,200
climb any other game that
culture out of this weekend.

1240
01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:00,200
Braun trying to think of any
other ones.

1241
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,600
That was that I watched that
wasn't on this list.

1242
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,500
That I was keeping tabs of most
of the ones we had we had

1243
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:08,900
picked.
So always, I can't think of

1244
01:19:08,907 --> 01:19:11,700
anything off the top that really
caught my eye.

1245
01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:14,600
What about you?
You've won Ohio State and

1246
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:20,800
Nebraska was Was interesting.
There's one more that was that

1247
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,100
in my poor cousin from
Charleston, didn't get to go.

1248
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,900
I know where you're heading with
this one, by his sons and

1249
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:31,900
offensive linemen, they have a
state playoff game, and he hurt

1250
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:34,400
his leg.
He was going to go to Florida,

1251
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,400
South Carolina and he didn't get
to go.

1252
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:41,400
And he missed chain Beamer.
Absolutely walking the dog on

1253
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,000
Dan Mullen, I like Dan Mullen.
I just don't think Dan Mullen to

1254
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,000
fit for Florida.
Shane gets really his first big

1255
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:56,400
win and, you know, a lot of
people crying, we should have

1256
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,200
hired chain.
Like, you know, Shane would have

1257
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,200
been a no-lose situation.
Even if he comes back in 10

1258
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,500
years, it's still a no-lose
situation or a no-win situation

1259
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:09,500
for Shane.
Hey, what do I need to do here?

1260
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:11,100
You need to win a National
Title.

1261
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:15,500
Your dad, got this close you
need to win at 0-0 and you need

1262
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:19,100
to win like Ten Conference
titles.

1263
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:22,400
Yay.
What else?

1264
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:26,200
Number one.
Picks need to do a couple more

1265
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,300
of those.
What else?

1266
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,500
You know that's it.
Yeah.

1267
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:45,700
Have one of the best 30-year
runs of all time, you didn't win

1268
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:50,100
a National Title and all this.
He never had top 10 Talent

1269
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:53,600
across the board.
Consistently, if Frank Beamer

1270
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:57,100
Has top-10 Talent across the
board, consistently for his Run,

1271
01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:00,200
Frank has three rings.
That's my opinion.

1272
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:06,900
Pride anything breaking other
than it has a nice finish to the

1273
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:10,400
football game here.
I think we're good to go buddy.

1274
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:12,200
All right.
Well, that is going to wrap up

1275
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,900
this episode of The Boundary
Corner podcast.

1276
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:17,300
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I'm Brian Sigler.

1277
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,500
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1278
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:22,500
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1279
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:25,900
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1280
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:28,200
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1281
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1282
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:35,400
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1284
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,400
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1285
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,700
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1286
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,100
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