A New Era

0:44 Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with Brian Segal. I'm Curtis Wilson. Tiga, we are back from a little Hiatus, man. How you doing little vacation? I'm well-rested, man. I'm well rested. I'm doing a week down in the mountains in North Carolina. Hit the lake. Hit up a bit a little detour up to Dollywood One Day. Road, some coasters, had a good time. How was your time back home, buddy back home was a lot of fun for a few days and that with the family, when we do the pool one day, my nephew is a Hibachi master, so had some Hibachi one night, had a greater, it was really a great time. You know, few days, back home and kids were good. Overall, they each got to stay up like past 11:00 consecutive nights for the oldest one.

1:43 That's not a problem for the little one who wakes up at 5 a.m. every morning. That's problematic. Oh problematic, I've got back home a couple times. It's been a lot of a lot of fun. Middle summer, man. And there we go, like, we've missed a lot. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta Load it up and sewed here guys. We got a little bit of everything. We got some recruiting, we're going to touch on some interviews that we had and then we're going to hit on some of the two bigger topics that have really come across the aisle here in the summer, which is the proposed 12 team playoff expansion and the name image and likeness.

2:24 So that's into the new era of college football here. Yeah, a big New Era of college football. Because it's changing what we grew up with 25 years ago is no longer the case and a lot of things we want to talk about tonight, but since we've been gone, guys, obviously some big-time things have happened. Let's start first with Ramon. Brown committing to the Hokies, the 511, 200 pound running back at a Manchester here in the RV. A big-time get 4 star, a top-25 running back. A top 24/7 player.

3:05 Yeah, what are we seeing from Ramon? Rhyme either. The big thing is going to be great like perception-wise. Let's talk about that first because getting a high-caliber skill position player from the state of Virginia. That's something that we haven't really been able to pull in the last couple Cycles. So it's nice to see us, get back on that wagon when he committed, that was a big deal, that really kind of, move the needle in terms, Terms of, in terms of perception. Now that we're not saying that okay. Well, all of a sudden, all is well, but you start grabbing guys like that consistently, that starts to change the narrative a little bit and it shows that, you know, some of the new guys on the staff that have been brought into specifically recruit starting to pay some dividends.

3:52 It also shows that little more investment is starting to pay off as well. So you know kudos to the guys that were able to you know, work the recruitment. For Ramon there and I really like what he brings to the table skill set was. I think he's going to be a good asset. Should be a guy that's going to see some rotational care. He's probably in his second year on campus. If not his first year. So, looking forward to see what he does for us. Yeah, absolutely. Shoutout to Smitty, and lectin Berg, who were his primary and a secondary recruiter. You mentioned earlier, Bonnie saw a lot of her.

4:32 We're in this guy. I think you kind of look at this bill that makes sense. Also ran a 45 40 back at the opening back in, 2019 in back that verified at about 185 pounds at 5 foot 10. So you kind of look at his height weight speed, it checks out. So I mean, they got him listed 2020, he's probably 195, which I mean that's that's about what you want for that caliber of player. Especially that hasn't gotten too. To a Collegiate weight program and nutrition program yet. So probably going to easily add another five to eight pounds to that frame once he gets going there and what I make the Herbert comparison, I'm more thinking of the size and kind of the skillset not necessarily what what I project him to be in terms of output.

5:23 But I mean, Herbert Next Level this last year for. So it's really I mean that that's a big, that's a big barn for someone to have to jump over I'm not putting that on him, but I think just in terms of what I've seen on film and just the athleticism and the size, that's a probably pretty good cop. Absolutely. All right. Where the boundary Corner podcast? We don't everything is not sunshine and Roses we call it like it is. Dave, before or six days later, Bryson Jennings. Son of former Tech really good tight end back in the day. All Biggie's, Brian Jennings was down to us and Carolina, he picked Carolina which, you know, of course, it stings. He's a legacy, he's choosing to go elsewhere. And it's also one of those things to Caroline has now got like 17 Edge players.

6:25 Well, I mean, we talked about the type of defense that they run. They need to, they need to load up on edge. But also this stings for several reasons it stings. Because as we'll talk about a little bit, we are getting thinner on the defensive line, especially the defensive end position getting another Edge guy in. Building would have been huge going into next season. You talk about a legacy to, I mean, I know I know North Carolina is on the come up everybody. Everybody has them on the come up but at the same time you got you got to lean the legacies. You got to figure out a way especially guys in your backyard ranked. Well in the state you got to close those out because right now, UNC is doing a fairly good job of putting up a gate on their state and we need to stop letting some of these guys get away.

7:22 Especially guys that we have Some inroads in already. It's true man. And you don't know everything that behind the story. But again, it's the visual Optics. Now, for me, it's one of those you losing it sucks. We need Edge. Obviously, we're going to talk about a few things later, and you say, you'll and Ramon, and it's like, and you'll, and Pernell. And for me, Brian, it's like that. But if I said here and told you a month ago, Do her nails going to go somewhere else, for we're going to get Ramona Jennings or remold going to go somewhere else. We're going to get Fern, Ellen, Jennings. I feel like the combo.

8:06 We got the two of the three. We got is the better. Of the two of the three, not knocking, pricing Jennings. He 66 235 off edge. It's like that. But how and springs is the best program in the state. Ramon Jennings has one of the highest rated players nationally in the state. What am I am? I trying to poke colored glasses. Remember in colored glasses here? Or is it? I don't think so because I think if you look at I think if you told me three weeks ago, if we were going to lay in two of those three, I'd have been probably okay with it. Yeah, I think kind of some of the Goodwill that happened from June rolling into July and once you get a taste of the goodness, you kind of start to expect it again. And, you know, we're not going to win all these battles, especially when we go against a rising team like UNC or the blue or blue blood.

9:06 G at the same time like like I was saying before though you can't have things that are already in your favor and then you kind of squander those things I think I think if it wasn't the Legacy Factor if it wasn't the in-state factor I would have less of a problem with that Miss but it's still troubles me a little bit. So got a message here, our buddy, Robbie Mac Browns are recruiting Master be quiet Robbie but all is not lost. All is not lost the next day. One of the highest Landing recruits. This staff has ever. Got Gunner, Givens, the six foot five. I'm calling him an athlete 270-pound Prospect right there. Next tour.

9:53 Lord, bottom tight four-star, top 125 player in the country. Top-five player in the state. Brian, you've talked about it before we have not got two top 10 guys in the state in over a decade whereby months from signing day, but we've got to Locked In. What do you think about Gunnar overall? Gutters a good, grab for several reasons. You know, when we talk about removing brown in the perception, Landing a guy like this in your backyard and with with where he was position in terms of the rankings and everything that that says a lot. It says that we got on him early, we stayed on him.

10:36 It says that we sold Virginia Tech in the way that we need needed to for this type of player. And what I like about Gunnar is that he does give you some flexibility about where you're going to where you going to put him because I think he has the potential to be a high-quality interior offensive lineman guard, maybe even a swing tackle if if necessary. But I prefer him at guard but he also has a potential and I think where he's going to end. End up for a lot of reasons is going to be on the defensive line. He's kind of that tweener. Three technique big defensive end I think with his size and his athleticism at that size I think he can kind of hang out there and defensive end. Be a good run stuffer but also have enough speed to get on there.

11:24 Get around the edge so I see him Landing a defensive in. But either way it's going to it's a it's a pretty big get for the program and definitely kind of stamps a month that That really turned out pretty well overall for the Hokies absolutely big month on the recruiting Trail and, you know, currently the Hokey sit, you know, 15th in the country and the composite there in the ACC closing in on the 87. And for you guys, you know who follow the closely that 87 numbers kind of a number, you know, if we're right near there, we're going to be in the top 25 where we were consistently for quite a few years. So, Let's hope that holds now again, like I said, I ain't all sunshine and Roses man but the transfer portal of Robert Wooten and Alec Bryant Brian.

12:19 I'm going to I'm going to read the out front. I want you to read the wood and we're going to follow up so Bryant. This was back on the 12th, you know. Basically I want to thank BT for everything with the heavy part. I've decided to enter the transfer portal and move on to a different path to says. Nothing to do with my coaches or the program but this is the best thing for me to do for me in my future go. God bless But you read the movie quote. Yep. Very similarly. At least in the start there. I want to thank VT with the heavy heart. I've entered my name into the transfer portal, says nothing to do with the coaches and the program, this is where I want it to be. This is because of an issue that was out of their hands and mine.

13:02 I accept responsibility and we'll move on to a different path. I look forward to see what my future holds, and we're going to be talking about the 20 interview, text outline a little while. But when they got into It basically, there are two guys who are a transfer portal, who basically had to leave with, you know, University issues. Yep. The stories that we're hearing. It's a shame to me to think that if these two guys for what we're hearing, got suspended for the honor board in the judicial boards at Virginia Tech, might need to take a look at it because to me it sounds like an archaic practice. At some point.

13:51 Just you know, if if everything we know to be correct is correct. This is kind of. This is a petty way to throw a year suspension on two kids. Regardless of whether their athletes are not, you know, the fact that they're athletes, you know, definitely hurts us from a fan perspective, hurts the team from because they're not there with the team. But, I mean I'd be calling bullshit on this. If this was just My buddy that, you know, drinks beer, every Saturday. I mean, this is, yeah, it's a messed-up scenario for something like that to cause that much turmoil for, you know, I think at this point what 19 year old kids, I mean, it's a little ridiculous, but and it sucks because also we're talking about another when I am talking about the roller coaster ride.

14:43 I mean, this, this isn't necessarily on the staff, but this is still another, you know, downward trajectory They have to now navigate the other because it affects the depth and it affects perception and it affects the, you know, Texas 2vt movement for whatever you want to call it. You know, at this point it affects the perception of all of that. So I mean it's not a good look even though it has nothing nesters do with controllable aspects, that the staff or the athletic department could have really controlled here. Absolutely. And then later on, we're going to add a couple things about the defensive end position now because obviously Robert will be played in every game last year. Alec, Brian played, I think in five they were contributors and it hurts that up significantly.

15:32 And a few weeks ago we talked with Mike McDaniel defensive line was looking like a place of a lot of potential because we had depth now it's still some potential there but the depth is less. So you know again the whole situation it's you know, they both kind of said, you know, I accept the responsibility and everything but it's just what we're reading If This Were to go back in A to say this, if we were in college and that happened to me, oh I'd raise holy hell, let's just leave it at that. Hi everyone. Okay, so I'm going to want to let's do a scenario little role play here.

16:20 It's announced ACC media de Notre Dame and Virginia Tech will be on acc Network. What's your first thought when you heard that? A Comcast there, they're talking to you that was him. I didn't think that way I was like what? And then 20 minutes later I'm reading, do this deal gets to go RI up for negotiation. Starting in August to end in September. They are leveraging because they put us basically on a SEC network and they put a Clemson against BC game.

17:01 Which species being projected higher this year. They're so for me and Brian, we have the SEC network, we're not affected, but a lot of people in the state of Virginia are on Comcast. So, you know, like, we're pretty much. I'd say what 2/3 of the Mid-Atlantic is on Comcast, and some way shape, or form. So, I mean, right in the prime media coverage foot print of the ACC is, you know, the probably what forty percent of the households in that area at least 40% of the people that still are on cable, at least. Oh, yeah, are impacted by this.

17:43 So, definitely, I mean my cousin that I saw them in South Carolina he is on Comcast, don't Charleston so it's clearly affecting, you know, the entire ACC footprint and then you know they get to leverage the Notre Dame game with us and basically say you don't get that that you don't get those. You don't get that many people. So you're taking advantage of a multiple fan bases and I know some people are saying, well, it's so easy just to click on the somebody's thing and do it and put the issue is It's a lot easier just to click on your TV and go to the spot instead of calling Mom and say Mom I need your password, don't get the game but I think that guarantees that is going to be a night game.

18:31 Where if it was on ABC, I think that weekend I saw like I think it's like am Alabama. Maybe it's like three folds, right? It's three or four big games that we can wear. Potentially we wouldn't get the ABC Primetime. Slot. We get more of a 3:30 but this locks into a prime-time game. Yep. All right, so first of all, as we get into the interview, with Jay, Ham on Saturday, Shout Out. Billy Pat Grayson, you guys did an unbelievable job with Coach coach ham, is just we've said it before. He is an absolutely amazing interview, the energy.

19:14 He gives off the way he, you know, Orchestrates, the stories are beautiful and there was a lot of good stuff in there, but me and Brian are focused on the season, coming up. We are, we are, we could talk a little bit about, you know, how, you know, hand was about to go into the insurance business and, but before Fuente send up a text message, we could go into that stuff and we can go into the, you know, how pretty much he was chomping at the bit to get back to Virginia. Tech you're in that time at VMI. Particular, but we're going to focus more on the, I guess the football aspects. Some of that was kind of in the back half of the interview.

19:55 I don't know how far everyone got into it, but it's, it was a great. What, almost two hours total podcast, so definitely check that out. If you haven't already, we're going to run through some of the back. Half highlights here. Well Curtis, I'll let you, I'll let, I'll let you lead off here with with some of the things you saw. Well, the first time and it caught my eye was The first position. See, discussed was the linebacker room. Basically, the first thing, you said Dax Tisdale absolute Concepts there with these guys play. A lot of other aspects of the game. They play a lot of specialty and they're both valuable there. They get a ton of reps. So he started then discussing about the rotation of the linebackers and maybe a surprise to some maybe not so much to me because we don't have to have a camp.

20:45 He had Dean Ferguson's knee. I'm came up and it was a shock to you bra mean not a big shock. I mean, he had been kind of floating around from what we were hearing anyway, you know, kind of hanging in there and make a little bit of noise. So it was nice to see that. That's catching the coaches attention there and that, you know, potentially, we could see him in the rotation come the fall. Because honestly, I mean, I like our Frontline guys, but I'd like to see some other guys step up here, because I'm a little concerned behind kind The guys that that we've seen play. So it's nice to hear some of these other guys are coming along as well. Yep, you know, you feel like you trust that actually can trust his down but again you want to see death and when you start to mention in the names that makes you feel good and you mentioned the maturity of his day off his tail. So that was that's big.

21:38 I know I know we had I think he had mentioned that previously. Yeah I can't remember what where it was whether it was on something that the Hokey sports did or whether it's something like that, but he mentioned that and that fatherhood is really, really kind of worked on Tisdale and seems like he's a lot more mature and ready to kind of step up and take his game more seriously and take it to the next level. So I'm glad to hear that because I mean ability was never the problem with his daily was just consistency. So, if he can get the consistency lined up, man, he's going to be a pretty good player consistency in weight. Yeah, it's one of those things too. Because when you hear them talking about meeting, Well if Tisdale's only 210 215 heat, we are going to have to spell them.

22:21 Some you're going to have to pick and choose how much he plays, because by all means you're playing a team that can really run the ball as you get later into the game. Brian you can't have him out there every possession or they're just essentially, just going to wear him out and he's just going to completely. They just move out of the way. So that was interesting that he mentioned that room first. Now the next two positions I wasn't shot. He talked about safety T and quarterback competition and and he started rolling off the names of safeties. I mean, Devon Taylor teide Lee Jr. Walker Devon Hunter and Kiante Jenkins. Safety is a strength. Now they real strength with teh coming in to shore up and you getting David Hunter back.

23:09 I mean that's that's two big ones. Right out the gate. Counted Jenkins got some run last year. And I'm going to I'm going to take a brief moment here and this isn't necessarily football but it definitely speaks to how coach am does his due diligence in not only recruiting, but just trying to relate to the players him talking about, you know, when he went to when he was looking at Kyoto Jenkins in high school body language. He didn't like initially kept his helmet on the sidelines. Kept his head down between series and all this stuff, and he actually talked to him, he was like, okay, well, he keeps his head. But honestly he's ready to go. While he helps him stay in in the mindset of the game when he's got his head down with the sidelines between series, he's running through scenarios. What he did?

23:57 Well what he did bad on the previous series. What he could do to do better next time out there somebody that was that was some good insight and also speaks to you can't necessarily take your initial view on a situation and say okay well that that's what it is. He's willing to dive deeper and get an understanding of Of the players. And I think that's big and that that helps them relate to him because he knows that he's not going to just, you know, close the book on them just because we won Bad series one bad situation. So I think that's big. That was, that was a really good moment for me in the, in the interview there.

24:41 Yeah, and you know Gionta last year came in got a ton of valuable experience and then you how ham thinks about that him once you in the corner back room again, competition, I look at the depth chart here and you know, the All-American freshman going strong. He complimented talking about Jermaine Waller, had a offseason to get fully healthy. Big dip, remember, 19. It was kind of a discussion, who's better? Waller or Caleb and obviously Caleb's, the bigger physical frequent, you feel like wall with physical, maybe a little more football Savvy because that's kind of been his position. His whole career. You know, talked about Brian Murray talked about, you know, Armani Chapman, talked about Nike Hawkins which is very interesting to hear because that name one mentioned last year. So again we talked about it, you know, lower sex six weeks ago. Corner.

25:40 You feel good because a lot of guys have rough sand You know, I think Jermaine Waller is such a key not being leader because with Divine Diablo gone. Waller kind of gets to step into that role as the leader of DB you. Well, I will say this, too. And I mean last year, just because of injuries, opt-outs covid, the devil Hunter situation. The secondary was probably overall a weak area of defense and I feel like going into this season even with losing the caliber player of a Divine Diablo we're in a much better situation in the secondary to the point where it's probably our strongest unit on the defense going into the season. Maybe not as top end as you know with with a Mario Our know, probably a defensive end probably being the, the highest ceiling player.

26:46 Yeah. But I think Waller could potentially re-establish himself as that dominant player on defense. We haven't even talked about Shamari Connor. You know just said, I mean, this is this is a stack unit but I'd only a more veteran unit than last year, but also I think top end they have more Talent this Here. Yeah, absolutely. Now the next one he addressed. It was interesting how he addressed this because this was obviously the interview after looting and Brian had left. So we're sitting here and he starts talking about how you know we do some things.

27:32 Essentially saying to me off edge in our defense that we can't account for it. Can we do it every Play? No, but how he talked? About that. You can see his mind's already working on. I might be a little thinner defensive end than I was before. I've got to start making adjustment. He mentioned. He was starting to think about that while he was on vacation. And you know when you hear you know somebody say that his head's in the game it's probably never out of the game and when he's talking about, you know, we get to do what we still do, where we don't have to completely change everything because we lost a couple pieces on the beach. Yeah, I think you know the defensive adjustments going to be interesting just because you know as we've been talking about I think front line were not so bad. It's the depth you know we got probably about three or four guys we feel like we can count on. We like to rotate six.

28:37 Guys at that position. Probably I don't know if we feel as good about that especially now that Wooten and Bryant have have entered the portal. Well, I think we'd was going to see some significant steps this year. He played pretty much every game last year, I think it was gonna pretty much be kind of the fourth or fifth guy in that rotation this year. So he would have seen a lot more snaps this year, so that's going to hurt. It's going to be hard to replace that, but, you know, I think he's talks about different things that he could do schematically to take some of that off. One of the things he was talking about is kind of giving. Given looks priest map and having something different that he's going to show to him post. Snap, keep the offense kind of on their heels and not knowing what to expect.

29:24 But the other thing he talked about and I think was you know maybe over some some folks had some folks not so much but kind of binary defense have checks. They're essentially depending on the look of the offense there's going to be you either do this or do that. So not only simplifying you but also still giving some flexibility there. Depending on the look to kind of Of bring something different to the, to the offense, different looks each time. So they see something different. So I think that was something that he kind of talked about. That was, I think going to pay some dividends here in the fall, because I think the big thing last year was that, I think there was too much new and not enough not enough time to really absorb it and absorb it in the way that not only the be, the how he talked about the coaching staff, really not being 100% on. The same page because right in the middle of installing the defense from a coaching perspective, all of a sudden you're doing that shit remotely.

30:23 Yeah. And in person yet that's huge. That's huge. You remember something in this is in a way similar to that he was discussing a lot of people said, why not, just go to Bud stuff and he made the point and he was like, You know I'm here, bud stuff. Maybe didn't know bud stuff. Tracy claeys in the bud stuff, although some people still believe Tracy, please was on an island all last year. Maybe maybe not Kim did for me, was in the locker room for the UVA game building. No blood stuff. And is he made the point Darryl, Clayton Bud system need to say, you know, poke the 13 years before but he never coasted and never had to do it in a different way. So, when he said that, Something I'm going to close with your later when he said that kind of made more sense. Something else he said was and it really called My Arrows, you talked about the layering levels of the defense and he gave, but his props saying Bud, should be the first assistant coach in the Hall of Fame.

31:33 Best defensive coordinator of all time. The system was unbelievable. But he made the point and Brian me and you have been watching for a long time and it's true. Buzz defense was very high-risk high-reward. Yep. How many times did we give up? Huge, chunk plays whether in the passing game, or in the running game, because we were either plans, cover, zero g, and the line somebody that misses a gap, or they missed the press, the one that always gets me, I talked about a 30 minutes before we jumped on the night. Y'all ECU 2014, we tie the game. It all we got to do is it's like a minimum 12 left.

32:14 I think. If somebody like that game, let me know it was it wasn't much time left in. The only thing I said is like, the only thing we can't do, we can't give up a huge plate. We give up a huge play. They're going to win the game. We literally were in a cover. One. Clean press we give up an over-the-top, they win. Well they're very close game. Big play. Yeah. Hey and so would you say in that picture? I think he's we're still going to see some, are we going to see some covers? Rose and he's going to attack. Yeah, we will see some cover ones, but I think Ron pointed you made last year and this year is We're going to see what type of coverage. I mean I think you're going to see a lot more Zone and you're going to see a lot more zones just because that's the way. Countering buds defense was to attack the defense at different levels.

33:10 So we were fairly good at containing, the run-in. We at least had been in place to take away the Deep stuff as long as we didn't get beat, but what you didn't have is if you know, you got all those guys running deep with the receivers and now you've got a quarterback that breaks contain and there's just a big space of know. Nothing for about 15 or 20 yards. What's the Marilyn game? I think the same freaking slow, quarterback. We had no one there to get thing. Like, 89 yards that game. Yeah, we-we're big house watching that game. I think we were screaming.

33:52 We were upset. But so you kind of see the vision that we're going to have levels in to me what he is. He's kind of already telling people. Buddy, Robbie he wanted to keep with that. Yes, I agree and it wasn't from Jake drinking the beam. It was a need but what he's saying is the modern era of college football is a lot more underneath stuff. You seen you know, Airaid Concepts in the last 15 years or everybody system are a concept RPO. I mean those things are designed to Really attack the three levels of painted defense on a given play.

34:37 And I think that's the thing that we're not talking about is that you know it's not just okay well you know you're you're stabbing short here you're stabbing deep here I meet a given playing the RPO system can really kind of attack those different levels depending on what the read the quarterback gets and what he decides to do with football. Yeah and as hand said that or po stuff was essentially done to counter Of the Bud Foster defense. And I agree with that. All right. Well, let's kick it off of J. Hamm on the coach few, with the TSL interview. Great job by Will Stewart, and by Chris Coleman there and food just seems super comfortable this interview and let's start first.

35:20 And this is how, you know, what? He's come from very early in their they're talking about recruiting Virginian house getting better and, you know, Landing places and the staff and the focus. He gave a shout to Smitty like them Berg and then he said, Just because you're from Virginia, doesn't mean you can recruit here. We've seen that not work out like Jesus Christ shots fired. Yeah, I wasn't sure who that was so tweeting, but he was subtweeting somebody we're not We're not gonna throw names out there. I have a feeling y'all, but you see that? And it's one of those things that's kind of true. Again, the winds we've had this year in the state had been really big and Again, the Comfort level who just come out and say that you knew was going to be a good interview from right there very early on in the process. Yeah, well I mean, what's the Comfort level is kind of drop there?

36:13 And I mean, we saw the juxtaposition with media day and we know that that's a different animal. And think we'll even talked about. He always seems more comfortable in the breakouts after then the actual fish bowl. So yeah, just hold you don't know what you're getting. So it makes a lot. A lot of sense, you know, in the next piece that he said, Ron that kind of we talk about is he is reviewing or he views recruiting. Now is a two-fold approach high school and the portal free agency. And we've talked about it before and he talked about how they're continuing to build the recruiting staff and kind of made it seem to me in a way that if he's here, you're going to essentially You guys in war brand.

37:05 These are our high school, this is the portal. Yeah, and I have a feeling through the portal staff, will probably be in charge of talking to guys on the roster. That's the way it goes. But I like that concept. Yeah. And I liked our approach a little bit more this off season than last only because While, you know, going out for some big fish to feel fill the holes that you have on your roster like Landing a read or Landing Blackshear in a Herbert. I prefer if we're going into the portal to kind of be more of a depth move with potential to be a starter. Not, we're counting on you to be the guy or we're up shits Creek. So, if we're going to use the portal and use it, well, I think that's the way we need to keep continue to continue to work because we can't book on finding starter level and potentially Star level talent in the portal every year. Yeah to buoy our team.

38:13 So you know getting getting at a daily you know getting a bob Shake. I know he was a Juco but when Williams yeah this kind of that more of a car. Or Johnny, I mean, I think that's the type of players you need to be bringing in. Not, we're bringing in her red and black sheer and if one of those two don't bust, we're in big trouble. So I like this approach better and it also means that you have to focus on doing the recruiting the high school, recruiting the right way. And so I think we're seeing some of the benefits of that come through as well. Yeah I mean to me I think you have to look the portal. I want to say say similar to how the more well ran in FL organizations are the guys you recruit are the guys you want to be on the bed, you want to be your stars. But you know, there's going to be guys who just are buried on the depth chart and eventually say, I just need to get on the field.

39:20 I'm probably good enough to play at other institutions and I've got to go there because I need to show. Take in the NFL is you look to go duck. Still out there. Let's jump over this, I think after everything that happened, not shocking, you know, Wulfric. Renee, the, you know, tight end recruit last year from France is switched over. Officially it's actually updated on the Hokey website today, which is shocking because apparently they're timely updates, only updates. There's I love to see move positions that still have not been so I don't think this is a shock, but a couple things that coach food talked about was A the athleticism of Wilfred but the other was the story of literally what 16 he comes from France, over. He doesn't speak a lick of English. Learns, English goes to a Preparatory Academy and Connecticut.

40:27 And you know, any said kind of the way I got it wasn't like if this kid had been an american-born kid his recruitment would have been significantly higher. Yeah all those not red flags but what do you call them? Ron I mean barriers. I think they are probably the best way to say it. Yeah. That there were barriers to his Recruitment and you know we're talking about a player here that is versatile. So I mean you like to see that you like to see versatile players this roster in general, has been moving to more versatile players. We see how we're recruiting, we're seeing it how we're deploying, I've still offensively still wanting to See more of that.

41:17 But that's I digress him switching over to defensive end, his big. Not only because of the holes that we have created with some transfers and things like that. But also we get to see this guy's athleticism because we do have some other tight end depth that he's not he probably wasn't going to see significant snaps this year, he can help us on defensive end. He said he wasn't necessarily done at tight end but the need position going into 2021 is going to be defensive end. So I'm looking forward to see what he's able to do. Since he does have some experience there. This isn't Ana. Mari bar. No situation where he's picking the position up from from ground zero.

41:59 So hopefully he jumps into fall camp and finds a good roll. Oh yeah, definitely an experience there and High School in his last season there while playing been both ways, forty seven, tackles 15 and a half sacks, 11 tackles for loss three forced fumbles and he blocked the punt. And he also the big piece of lot of people were, you know, a lot of people mentioned how excited they were about him. Was he wrestled? And usually when you hear a wrestler, you think more defense and offense so I think it's a great chance for him. Maybe the potential, you know what the guy sees working with on that line, the experience with pricing tier Only maybe to take steps like Barna did last year under tap and chairlift so we don't know.

42:49 We can only hope. All right. Also, did you notice when he talked about that the laughs came out? Yeah. Anytime he simply life, you know, he's comfortable as well. All right, I got the roster up here. Braun. All right. Pull it up. Tell me we got, okay. He mentioned, first of all, there's 37,000 running. Acts on our team, there's three running backs who have a potential freshman, running back to have potential to play this year and I'm going through here a, there's so many of them. Who do you think he's talking about? Give me, give me one name that you would say that guy could probably play this year. Oh man, Bronson Alcott.

43:34 Thomas I'd say Kenji has the best chance to get into the rotation and a lot of that's going to depend on somebody else for probably going to talk about and that's going to be key. Sean King. When she if Keshawn King he said he's still working on his consistency. If Keshawn King is consistent the more likely those freshmen are going to see less time because he mentioned Jalen, he mentioned Rahim Blackshear but I think ringing blacks years going to be working as much in the slot if as he is in the backfield. So this is going to do in terms of being the number two guy. The guy that's getting the spell carries. The guy that's getting Anal carries its down to Keyshawn King, depending on where we are on the field. Marco Lee, probably in short yardage situations and then one or two of those freshman's that step up. I'm thinking it will be Kenji.

44:31 Yeah, he mentioned Marco. He's ready play this year. He's had last year. It was a combination of learning The Playbook, plus being in physical shape. The key thing you mentioned it. He, I think he said this every year about king or least last year's to consistency key Chongqing, you know, We've seen him make some eye-opening plays and then just kind of go away Ron. I swear to God if they run Rahim Blackshear, like they did last year, you're going to go to Blacksburg. We're going to stand it. Marry a man with big signs and you're going to write on their black share is not a primary running back. Stop it.

45:15 I mean, if you're calling plays that consistently get him. I'm outside the tackles or the ball in the passing game in space, I have no problem with it. If you're telling me you're gonna run inside Zone with them, you know, five six times in a row, I'm gonna scratch my head and look at you, like, you got the whole in your own head? Yeah, I mean, like, it's just it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. I like Ricky Blackshear but he does not have the between the tackles Vision that especially Herbert had last year, but I think in particular, That you're looking for in terms of consistency, but he does have really good Vision in space.

45:55 So you want to get him outside the tackles, you want to get him the ball in space. You want to throw the ball to him from the slot. You don't necessarily just want to line him up and run, Dives and insides up. Yeah, we have plenty of running backs. We need, although somehow David. He'll put us one-eyed, receiver tight end, combo. I'm still trying to figure that out but how my wide receivers he mentioned that the Wayne Loft and Jalen Jonas studs, Coach Fuente, if they are studs then I should see them on the field significantly this year. If they are not on the field, choose your words better or figure out what's going on the offensive side of the ball while they're not there. Because now after hearing Braxton earlier today in an interview Braxton this offseason have been working a lot with Trey pay Danes Mitchell.

46:53 Heme and Jayden and Caleb. That's a good core that, but if you're saying those two guys are studs, also come back Jay. A second downright was killing us in scout team last year. Braun, you being you talked about it and you were like killing you. Also. Why? Well I said, I said, you know, whether he was killing or not. I mean we had trouble. Getting changa Hodge the ball for whatever reason last year, how we going to get daylan, right? The ball as well. So that was my frustration. I don't think we necessarily lack Talent on that side of the ball. I think we need to be better at getting separation and I think we need to be better about getting the ball to our players. That can make plays because we got some athletes out there especially, you know, some of the guys we got Jaden, pay you coming back.

47:49 I'm looking really forward to seeing what he can do in this offense, because I mean, that speed is an X Factor in that athleticism. Even if he's still not quite the crisp route, Runner that we want him to be, we need someone that can just take the top off stretch, the defense gets separation from athletic, cornerbacks And I think he can be that guy for us. So, I'm looking forward to what to see what they can do. But I'm not, I'm not David Hale here and thinking that we are Crushing the wide receiver game either. I think we have a a solid front front. Few skill guys.

48:29 And then a lot of guys that have talent but are unproven. Yeah absolutely. He also addressed the offensive line, you know he mentioned kind of mentioned Tyrell, Smith is going to get some probably get the first run at right, tackle with Silas being a pretty good position for Right Guard. But then as he's talking, he let something slip. Ron, you had some slip, he said, well, you know, broccoli, Garden tackle and grime, probably went Guard and tackle a. Yeah I mean and obviously we don't want to be in a situation where we need to play Brock and Tackle but if Brock is the best tackle, we have you play Brockett tackle, that's my opinion. I want my best.

49:18 Five linemen on the field. Whatever my best five combination is, I want them on the field and if that happens to be Brock Hoffman at right tackle, Well, so be it obviously that's not ideal. Nobody wants to be in that scenario. So I think a lot of this is going to depend on what we get, how quickly Bob. She could pick up the tackle position, knowing what we have in Parker Clements once. Those things start to flesh out a little bit then I think we will know if that he's even an option something that's on the table but until then and I know we talked about Tyrell coming back.

49:59 As well. So once we kind of see how those three ShakeOut I guess, that's when Brock would probably come in the in the picture there but You know, as I said, I want my best best five combination out there, so if that ends up being brachot tackle. So be it. I'm really hoping about three weeks from now, he announces the starters, on the line, You know, I really hope that's done because I think for us, I want to vision of foods out there, and it's a way to nitpick. Yes, from the talk about, but you get an idea because we're him when I'm saying that, and then I'm kind of inferring that Silas kind of had Right Guard lockdown. It makes you feel a little better because then you see the death build a little bit, will Johnny, I'll be back up Center. Rocking kick to tackle org or whatever way we need in more depth, which is our biggest concern on the line. Not necessarily the first starting five for starting five. We feel good about.

51:00 All right, bro. So if you feel good about Brock and you feel good about Silas, then that gives you more of a swing. Yes, you do. Because at least then you feel better about, okay, well, if we need to move rock out, we've got a solid core here and then you still got a couple guys behind them that you would Least feel somewhat okay about in especially Kate more sounds like he had a pretty good pretty good spring as well. So Absolutely, you're the end of the interview with welcome Chris talked about favorite movies and Brian. I know this one super close to your heart.

51:40 Talked about favorite movie Shawshank Redemption that is you as long as I'm on you that's been here jamming and I'll shake, you can never go wrong with with Shawshank. I mean, you got your, Stephen King writing, the short story Rita, In the Shawshank Redemption. Shout out Stephen King. And then, I mean, The movie that started Morgan Freeman as the narrator. Yes. And he was unbelievable in it. He and Tim Robbins. Just the story in general. It's one of those that, if it's on, you can.

52:21 If you have probably seen it more than 10 times, you've probably seen in more than 50. Is that a lie? I mean, there was a time where I was like watching it like once a month. All right, so he only closer to 100 bucks. Well, it's again. Now the other one. Talked about Pulp Fiction. I mean, Just that entire movie is great. I mean there's just so many moments there. So many lines. I mean he was Tarantino just pulling his dick out and saying we're doing this. And I mean, it was a it was a, it was a fun ride and it seems like food really likes movies made in 1994.

53:04 He was only missing the Forest Gump for the trifecta of the 1995, Oscar Oscar, run their of like the big From that years. So He's very true. Actually. I go back and you think 1994. I mean, obviously, those movies were unbelievable. I mean, you know, by the way, another, this is just, this goes back to us being kids with Dumb and Dumber was 94 to. I, like the original three-year, not 94, is a great year really great year for. I don't even think I'd say, Question on it man I want to close this out. With one thing these interviews were great. These interviews are great.

53:54 These interviews were six months too late. And we we focused a lot on. What's Happening Now? J, Hamm gave some of the back story of how he got to Virginia Tech, who gave some little peek behind the curtain. Look behind the curtain. What was going on? Especially the covid-19 were talking about, we had nobody at Camp. Yep we're contact. Traced if this had been said six months ago after with keeps him after they talk I think a lot of us would sit here and say, hey wait a minute for eight weeks of Camp. You like had no bodies, you couldn't essentially install what you wanted to install on your side of the ball, and then obviously some of the stuff taking place during the season.

54:45 The Christina Garnett has said, it numerous time we are bringing, so piss-poor, public relations. This should, this should become, this should become a staple in February. For them, a staple sit down P. SL, sit down with whoever, you're comfortable with and shoot, the breeze for 90 minutes. Well, I think the, I think the problem is that, you know, let's go back. To access in general. True. It's true, you're not communicating with us. You don't get the benefit of the doubt. . And I think that that's part of the problem and sometimes it's too little too late.

55:32 If you get out in front of things this is I mean this is PR shit that Christina was talking about. This is if you get out in front of things or you talk about things with people. You spread more Goodwill. People are more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt or give you a little bit of leash, but devoid of that people make up their own stories, people make up their own minds, and there's nothing to prove them wrong. There's no, there's no other counter information out there. So you're letting someone else, write the narrative, whether that's true or not. You're forfeiting your your version of the story. It's true, man.

56:16 And that's one thing that they have got to understand. They've got to have people in there telling them get in front of it, pulp about it because we would have probably had a lot of empathy especially the training camp shit, man, because that's insane to think we can. You have little to nobody there. All right guys, before we get into name image and likeness and the playoff taught, we're going to take it. Quick pause for a message from our digital partners.

57:10 Alright guys, so next up here, we are going to be looking at naming image and likeness. It is big. It is here, it ain't no going back. They ain't much governance to it right now. But Brian, I'm just being real. You are how too late is this? When should this shit had released artist 2021? What's your opponent? You started? The NCAA should have beginnig of Gun talking about this and starting to write the rules of this a decade ago there, at least five years, late, implementing it and they drag their feet, they waited for the state.

57:54 So they wanted the conference's to step up on their own instead of doing it themselves as they should, there needs to be a unified system. You can't let each conference write their own bylaws. When you are under a governing body already. D, it's stupid. Number two. So they wait, they wait, they drag their feet state starts. Passing shit, people start, suing them. People start, suing the states. He gets all the way to Congressional hearings and they get completely raked over the dam. Coals by democrats Republicans and everyone in between.

58:35 It's like one of the few damn things that both sides have agreed on in the past five years was that the NCAA completely stepped in shit on this? So now that they've been called out by that and now that other states are putting things in place and those are going live effective July 1st. The NCAA says, alright, any state that has rules? You follow those any ones that don't hear some very fucking loose guidelines to go by until we decide what this actually should look like. Yeah, to me you say 10 years ago and they should have started. The writing was on the wall to me. About five years before that, mid-2000s early 2000's when you had go back to Mike Vick and think about him as a person and then look at the Miami teams and then you have bench young and you had the USC teams and then the Gators teams right there. That's what it should have been Jesus. If these guys had something they can make a lot of money in its eventually some it's going to break through in some way. So really probably 20 years ago is when they really started thinking about it.

59:46 And then 15 years ago, riding loss of ten years ago was in but they completely screwed it up. Yeah. Hello late. But I mean, I'm going to say this, I am all for this being in place awful because you've been for a while. I've been I've been on record here. I've been on record on Twitter. I've been on record at the barbecue on Saturday, or Sunday, if you can't go out there, and Use your abilities to make money off of your own brand or your own abilities. Like what everybody else gets to do that?

1:00:27 I mean, We had there was there was people that couldn't even sell a t-shirt, that they made, even if it had nothing to do with football. Nothing like they couldn't sell fucking T-shirts because the NCAA says, no can't do that. Like it's just ludicrous shit. And I mean that, you know, whether whether you want to get on board with players having agents and all that stuff, you know, they should always have. Been able to use their abilities. Like everybody else that's on scholarship in every other situation at the University to use whatever talents they have while they're there to capitalize on their abilities.

1:01:13 True, man. There's no reason not to anybody else and be like anything. So I mean, but it's very unfortunate that the NCAA drag their feet. It's unfortunate that they're not right now. Taking responsibility, I would have rather them Rush something together in the two weeks they had. Then just said, all right. Have fun. It's like they put no effort into it and they also take no responsibility and they're not going to take responsibility for any ramifications that come from it. Oh no. It's just facts, man. They're not taking any of it. And I mean for what they strike called him out in the interview said, they just planted this.

1:01:58 They punted this to the state. They find this new schools in the kids and it's going more and more of what is the NCAA even here for What are they here for? And it's coming to a point especially with the OU Texas news coming out. And, you know, Jim Phillips saying yesterday in that interview we are 15 team conference. And it's like to me, I think the power 5 for football, maybe not for everything. I think in the next 10 years, the power 5 and maybe even the f.c. or FBS as a whole might just break off and say bleep them, we don't need them.

1:02:46 We've got conferences, we have governing bodies. Here we can elect a president of our organization and we can run I think it's heading towards that because they don't do anything they don't and then when they, when they do something that's more, well he can't be eligible this year because he's three miles outside the range and you're like, are for fuck's sake. Are you kidding me? But JT, Daniels, can transfer to Georgia. So, with no questions asked, it's like they're free. Worthless. I mean they've been worthless you know the the picking and choosing of wind to put in sanctions and when to penalize a not penalize and band and not ban, it's very selective. It feels very at best haphazard at worst preferential to certain institutions and just there There's no consistency with the application of the rules.

1:03:53 There's rarely any enforcement of the rules. And at some point, you got to say, what the fuck are you actually doing? They don't know what they're doing other than making a lot of money. That's it. They're making a lot of money for themselves. More inward salary asinine and and now because of them not taking responsibility grunting, it not jumping on this, a decade ago, I mean it's the Wild Wild West right now. It's the Wild Wild West again, they've let they for the states that didn't actually put something in place. It's, it's become very much the while last for the states that did put something in place.

1:04:40 Now, they're up against. Can we can we enforce it should the NCAA enforce it, who's enforcing it? If, if some other if the other states are doing it, should we even care whether we enforce it or not. If they're still within whatever the NCAA governing body rule. Like it's a very loose like when I was thinking of this being in place I was like, okay well they'll take Take you know a year or two to come up with what this needs to look like and you know, a bunch of different eyes from people across the country and different backgrounds and all that stuff. We'll have a look at this before it goes into place and agents will get to weigh in on it and like there are so many people that need to have some sort of commentary on this before we threw it out there now and I wanted it to start as soon as it should but it's solely in the NCAA in.

1:05:34 It's in their court, that this is going the way it going and and kudos to the athletes because they're, they're getting paid based on their abilities based on their marketability, based on their brand, their image and, you know, kudos to them. I know saving was talking about the, the quarterback that really hasn't played very much at this point. Maybe it's not rice, young getting close to a million in close to it, close to a mil. And that's 8 plus figure. So yes, I mean that's crazy to think. He's gonna get some plus figures and he's not, he's not stepped foot on the field. He's just the Alabama quarterback. Now I find it like him, go get the money.

1:06:17 Make sure you get a tax attorney because you will need one of the million dollars because every legal entity Alabama, state governments also hate to tell him this, if you're playing in the states of Mississippi endorsing, anything Georgia, Florida. Wherever you play, those states are probably going to come after you for their tax money. Especially if you do something or say something, while you're on that state and then there's the federal, so, probably young. Make sure you get a good accountant because if not, I do not want to see you getting hauled away. I don't see anybody getting hauled away to jail for the season starts next year, for tax evasion because somebody didn't pay your taxes for you. And that's why you need to trust your agent because your agent is the person that can kind of guide you through. Under this thing.

1:07:05 Yes, but let's you, and you feel like most of these schools, we know the Hokies have their program started up for these guys that they're going to them. They're getting the advice that they need. But Brian, you saw something North Carolina's? Doing you said, Virginia Tech needs to start that ASAP. I mean, yeah, they partner with the LifeStream group, to use unc's, official, trademark and logo in conjunction with name image, and likeness opportunities for Collegiate athletes. So that's essentially not necessarily directly. Representing the university but using the university related trademark and logo in relation to what they're doing, Michigan I think followed suit with something very similar.

1:07:57 I mean, like I said, we're really in the early stages here and some of this is going to be, all right, we're going to push these boundaries as far as we can push them and then see what happens. And I think we're in that boundary-pushing territory right now and Robbie in our comments here, brings up a good point and Foo actually talked about this during his discussion relating to name image and likeness. But, you know, worrying about whether whether the name image of like, the stuff will get in the way of preparation or yeah. Doing the right things from football perspective. And he said I, you know, I hope that the that what we're doing isn't going to impact, how we're, how we're going about our business. There's and I think, as long as everyone's doing what they need to do outside of the preparation that they've been doing previously, this will go off.

1:08:50 Well, yeah. And I'm hoping that that it does because like I said, I think it's been a long time coming. And I'm just sad at this point that the NCAA didn't take any more responsibility in rolling this out in a way that I think would have helped the players and the institutions with a lot of uncertainty. Let me ask you this brand because you made the point there about does it interfere? Does it interfere with classes because it interfere with your practice schedules? You're lifting schedules your team meetings etc etc really. The classes are important.

1:09:31 That's going to also be a thing. If a guy gets you can't play this week. Why you haven't went to class all year. There he is. Here essentially academically ineligible but let me ask you this front. Do you think there's any animosity into the locker room Bryce is about to get a million dollars endorsements? And let's say, the guy protecting him on the left side is got 20,000. And sitting here. Look at him saying dude, if I don't do my job, they'd cream, you, you break your leg. You never play again. Hmm, maybe I should just slip on this one slide step. I don't think that'll happen, but you see animosity in size a locker, or what do you think, Brian? I don't think so.

1:10:13 And I'm gonna mention a couple scenarios here. The first is, I mean, there's already have and have-nots in the locker room. Anybody that says, there isn't is kidding themselves. Elves. I mean, whether it's favorites, whether their star players versus, you know, guys that are more role players on the team. I mean there's already a pecking order to some degree in a locker room. Some people just, you know, they know their roles, they do their job, and they don't care about it and sometimes things like that or why people have been transferring to other other programs so that shit's already there. Number two, I want to say this about Braxton Burmeister Trying to get his offensive lineman some, some free food for naming. Would you like - that's the type of shit? I like there's gonna be camaraderie. The people that are the star players, they're going to recognize and call out those guys that maybe more unsung. And I think that's going to help this situation. Whether it's even, just even if it's just the call that even if nothing comes from it, the fact that they're, you know, the appreciation is being shown, I think is something But also, if things do come from and I think it's kind of a, hey, well we've got these stars.

1:11:31 But you know, there's some other guys here that are big part of why we're doing what we're doing and how we're having success on the football field. It's true. Are we going to create unbalance is football going to be way up here and every other sport will be way down here. Are you think it's going to be? Because I don't think it's gonna be that way. I think it is going to be individual. Yeah, yours is gymnastics girls that she's making more Bryce is right now. Yeah, I think it's that there's not going to be in balance in terms of how like I think you need to be wary of what role boosters have in the Aspect of it necessarily.

1:12:16 But in terms of The Haves and have-nots, I mean, bags of already been dropped for getting kids to come places under the table. I think what you're going to see. I think Fuente you actually talked about a little bit, you know, he essentially says the pine nuts, the pie isn't going to get bigger, it's just going to get spread directly some of its going to get spread directly to the kids, which could impact the university to a degree. But I think there's going to be because being a booster is getting redefined right now, right? Yes it is. So while I agree that some of the money that from the big-time guys, instead of going directly to the university might get, put into directly to the players.

1:12:59 For some, a manager, like this things, I think you're going to see more smaller folks, step up, that hadn't necessarily been giving to the university or only we're giving a little bit to the university, start to give more because they can give more To an individual that they feels like not only you know, they feel like represents their school well but also that can do you know good things for their business bring people to their business. So I think there's things you know the mutual relationship is still there. Yep. Absolutely. In you know you talk about imbalance. I mean I think what's going to happen particularly actually in all scores I think you're going to see people like you know thing about Jadeveon Clowney. He's a sophomore.

1:13:49 He should sit out as year. What's probably going to start happening? Is you're going to got to have guys who are this? Guy's a first-round, pick no matter what there's going to be companies coming in to get them. Onboard before they leave College. And that's going to happen in probably. Football men's basketball baseball to a lesser extent. Some of the track and field athletes on both men's and women's, you know, because then they don't, we like we can do this. Like, who's the swimmer girl? She was at Stanford, you know, I'm talking about Katie. Ledecky. Okay. Becky at Stanford, right. Not an amateur at.

1:14:32 It's weirder with Olympics, but now it's almost Because we have this rule. If this was four years ago after what she did, and then she went to Stanford Kayla day, Kiwi, be a multi-millionaire by them. She might already be, but there's that opportunity. Unbelievable track star goes to Florida, he's going to be in the hundred meters. We're going to go ahead and give them a bunch of money because we want him to promote our product. So I think across all lines of sports is going to help and wherever you go, it's going to be the athlete. It's not going to be necessarily where they go. Well, I think also because, you know, we talked about the imbalance, but I think in some ways, this levels the playing field because you can now build a Collegiate image anywhere. Yeah.

1:15:19 You don't need a blue blood program or a program. That's going to the playoff every year or all that. You don't need that to build a brand before. You can go pro, you can now build your brand within any University as long as they have, you know, some sort of decent and foundation. So in that way, it does level the playing field in my opinion because, you know, you can go to a Virginia Tech and and build your brand and it'd be, it'd be something that's, you know, kind of a national or least as a regional brand. Yeah, big deal before before you leave College. You don't have to go to a Clemson, or an Alabama, or an Ohio State, or an Oklahoma to do that anymore. Very true, very true.

1:16:03 Hi Brian. We've been talking about doing this. This six months, hahaha playoffs, playoffs. First of all, we need to get the attorneys on the phone because clearly The cfp committee somehow hacked, some of our conversations for the last old by Design, you son of a bitch. Jenna least old friends design, I'm not gonna I'm not kidding like Brian had talked probably 2019, maybe 2018. Yeah, it was as early as 2018, you were like 12. And I was like nasty 6 and you're like no 12 and Brian begin laying things out and we were talking about home games and you were talking about conference champions and you were talking about one G5.

1:16:53 You were talking about the rankings in the committee, legitimately everything they're doing is literally what Brian playing was? Now let's get into the question because obviously the last three or four days there's been a lot of Twitter arguments Stuff on the timeline. I don't know if you guys saw it, you know, other conversations behind the scenes. But let's go ahead and start off me and Brian are both for 12. 12 is the answer. Sorry, not six and definitely not eat. So why not eight Braun because you had that argument already? There's several reasons. Why not eat? The first reason is that, if you go a, you're pretty much more or less every year you're saying, I'm cool with 3 SEC teams in the college football playoff Number two, unless you mandate a G5 school be included. You're probably excluding a G5 team from your playoff. Sure.

1:17:57 Number three, you're eliminating the probability of having any sort of college football playoff home games from the scenario because the there's enough bowls out there where they would not let that happen for the A-Team. Those are my big three. I mean, there's several other points that we can talk about and I'm going to we're going to kind of go through some of these other other items here, the big one being the six conference championships to cut Conference champions. Sorry, so we're talking about more than likely in a given year. You're going to have the five power, five Champions and the highest ranked G5 Champion. Yeah, which is something I love because you're automatically including at least one that G5. And I know some people will be like, this is nothing, but it's something.

1:18:47 They get a seat at the table. And that's one thing I like the other thing I don't like about eight is If you look at 8 and you look back through the years of the.you know the cfp. If you're looking at only eight teams you're probably only looking at about roughly the top 15. Maybe top 12 like we feel like we might can get in that you can go to 12 run and I did this scenario me and you ran through the scenario 2016 and I know that was a great year for the Hokies Week 10 is the beginning of November. I would scroll all the way down. There was a team 23, that was seven. And two, Going to the final weeks. There were some 10 and 9 when teams that would have made a 12-team playoffs.

1:19:42 Legitimately beginning of November. You are giving anyone in the top 25, hit legitimate shot to get in. What does that mean? Run. What does that mean? It means that more people have hope later in the year. It means that from a this this is my Downstream thought here from a recruiting standpoint, say it. If I have a chance to make the college football, playoff, if I'm looking at teams that have a chance to make the college football playoff, there's no way that hurts recruiting. Nope, it's a definite. It's a definite bump.

1:20:25 It's a definite bump to those teams that are consistently in the, let's say, top top, 20, consistently the top 20. You're essentially one more win away from putting yourself in the conversation to make the playoff if you're a top 20 team, if you're one, I'm better that next year, you're in the conversation to make the college football playoff at 12. That opens up a lot more opportunity for these kids to get on the national stage and show their talent that that matters that matters. I mean, there's there's no way around it and it's not just enough to be in the bowl game anymore because the Bowls have already been diminished significantly. Big time since we went to for.

1:21:12 Yes, it is. And at this point, there's no going back to to. So now in that scenario 12 will help create a little bit. I'm not saying a lot, I'm not saying we're going to go to all of a sudden there's not going to be a dragon do four or five teams that are significantly on paper better than everybody else. That's not going to change overnight. But what is going to change? If you can, if you can Nic two or three players off every all those rosters, and Spread those out over the next 17. That over time that's going to pay some dividends. It's big in evidence and that's why I see somebody like Dabo Swinney.

1:21:54 He's coming out saying, oh there's not 12 good enough to eat with playoff and my players only played know down below what he's worried about is when he walks into the 217th players. Home and tries to sell. Well, that's cool coach but you know, this team down the road here, they want me to they were 14 last year they needed, they need a number to wide receiver. I can do that this year and he loses out the blue Royal lose a little bit of depth. The the 5220 team gains a better player to me. It is a self leveling off of college. Is it going to take?

1:22:39 Is it going to be perfect note? But to have more people at the table football sport, Anything Can Happen. We've seen it, we've seen it in our lifetime, good Lord, Hail Marys, the Appalachian State game against Michigan, Health Virginia Tech JM you gain Jesus Christ. I mean, let's go with other seven. Let's go Boise in the the leadership team was a Rose Bowl, boys. You know. Oklahoma, yeah. And then it comes to a point to that, you know. A point was made to be by someone today that what we've seen 512 and like 610 and all this, and it's like, yeah, but that's it a bowl game.

1:23:21 There is nothing on the line, there's nothing on the line. We don't know how the teams are going to react Under Pressure knowing that I win this game. I go play next week you also are going to see the opt-outs that you have none you won't see them. Yeah you will. So so I mean anybody who has something to play for is not going to see I Opt-outs, so that that will help them. Not only and I mean financially, I mean, you're talking about potentially playing two to three extra games, And I know you're Devils were too well. We already played enough games or who I forget who was it that said that data?

1:24:02 It was. Yeah, yeah okay. So I mean sure you play an extra game. Maybe two, But you play an extra game at eight anyway, so anyone advocating for eight? I mean there's already an extra game thrown in there anyway. Yep. And it's also something with Dabo. He also knows dado ever, make it when it was two teams no, he never made a BCS game that will has a maiden until it went to four, but essentially what you're doing is you're given a lot more people swing and the way football is We go to the NFL Wildcard Weekend and vision a weekend or some of the wildest weekend. When literally the teens, we feel of the best teams, right? That's the best team in the league right there, they ain't gonna lose they lose, they're a better team that walk our team because you're talking about the way we kind of envisioned. It is.

1:25:00 We would have Conference Championship week of next week we're playing. One week to prepare, not a month. Not three weeks one week to prepare go play, Go beat that guy. Well, my guy got banged up in the conversation. Bishop game, and he's out too bad. So sad go play. and then for the one through four teams, you're looking at, probably a three week layoff which Is that the me Braun? You tell me how you feel three weeks. Is that sort of ID ground? It's not enough time to get super prep because you have to wait a whole week before you figure out who you're playing and if a guy's got a high King will be ready so you don't have to Super prep and then you get the just the time off in general is probably so there's some built-in lag even for the people with the bye. And I mean, let's talk about another thing. Let's talk about independence.

1:26:01 What is this going to do with Notre Dame? In particular because I don't know if everyone read it, but it says Conference champions a champion first six seeds, who know, not the first 60s? Sorry your first Force he could only get the by sorry conference championships camera Conference Championship. Champions can only get the by thus Notre Dame will never get a bye. Notre Dame for them though. They will always get a week break. Look at that one week of rest. So it's sort of a little favor for them but to never get a by that stinks in the way, right? Because if you if you, if you just had, you know, they usually play used to be.

1:26:48 They play USC or Stanford Lee. Going into an absolute Donnybrook with somebody coming out banged up. We get a week break, we need to We need three, we need a month. Never can do it, you know, keeping the keep saying. I go back to this. Wrong non-power can never get it by is wrong. If they are the order to feed Robbie they can get a call out. Probable but probably not possible ever. Well, I've said, the problem that I have is that, you know, he's talking about non power 5 can never get a bite right now. Non-power 5, doesn't even have a seat at the table. This gives them a seat.

1:27:39 Like this, at least gives them something to work for every year. Yeah, if you're the best G5, I mean and potentially to if your Pac-12 is down here, Big 12 has a down here. Yes. I mean you might end up having two teams like you get a Memphis or UCF or shit. What you mean Ron we got we're going to go to some I got to do some research here. Was it 2010? I'm trying to type here. 2010, I think was the funky year 2010. 2010 was the year. This is the way it would have looked already.

1:28:22 First of all, by this is based on BCS, poll Auburn Oregon, TCU Stanford would have got the bye. The next conference championships was of how state was a conference Champion. Oklahoma was a conference Champion Boise State would have made it in that year. So for them, this helps if the power 5 has a down year and you can get there potentially get too. Like I said, at least get at least gives one a seat at the table, just by the fact that you have six, not five that get automatic bids. Okay. So, you know, I sit here and I it's to me. You look at it and it it's more positive than negatives. The only negative people are trying to say. These are the two negatives.

1:29:16 There's not enough good teams, which I say, you have to play games that let it let it be decided on the. It's less than 10 percent of all college football, teams making the playoffs, it is essentially and then those 12 teams, They get to go into the recruits home and says we are the best 10%. We are the best of the best right now. In college football, we made the playoffs, whether you win a game or you don't, we're the best of the best in college football. I think it'll be interesting. Probably the biggest piece where it's going to be interesting and me and you are harping on this. Talk about the bowl because it's looking like the Bulls are just ramrodding themselves in there. Just do two home games folks.

1:30:03 Correct lat. Yep. True that to Cincinnati and Coastal last year would have actually both got it in. Would have both got in because at the end of the year, Cincinnati was eight. Coastal was 12. And I think all the conference champions were up in the top here because Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma. And Cincinnati was actually the conference Championship ahead of the XO, they both would have been in. So there's two seats at the table in 2020, but the home games run they're talking about first rounds to five through 12 are going to be playing.

1:30:45 Each other, love it. They got to take it a step further, just make the first two round home games and I know the bowls are going to they're going to fight that like crazy but it's like to be a fan and to say, if Virginia Tech were to ever make this Right. Dip in, you know, we try to go to one maybe two games a year, it's tough for us, but those fans who do make that commitment have that sort of money. Can you imagine first of December? We want you to travel to Orlando two weeks from now. We want you to travel to Texas. Oh you guys keep wanted. Now, you need to go to the Rose Bowl and the Championships in Indy? How many people can afford to do that? How many people actually have the time to do that in a seven week span?

1:31:34 Many and I think having the hub's is going to solve some of that. Well yeah. And if they do it, you know, where you have a cluster, a cluster of bowls that are in the same geographic region. I think that'll help but it's not going to solve everything. And now they're already talked about potentially not doing the the first round at home and if they, if they do that, then I'm less on board. With the sister, I still think 12 is a better number than eight for a lot of reasons, but the home game is one of the big draws for me. Having that atmosphere at the FBS level is unbelievable.

1:32:16 Is something that we haven't seen yet. Haven't home game. Yeah, matter like that only and I think that that's something that I think would be really great for college football. So getting a getting away from the home game, I mean, imagine like, You know, we talk about the the big guys like the LSU's or something. I was too. What if, you know what if Cincinnati like last year could have hosted one? That's a big fucking deal for them. Huge deal. What about this? What about, you know, a team like, Wisconsin gets to host a team like Georgia in Madison and December.

1:32:58 There's so many kids on the Georgia team that have never seen snow in their life and they walk in. It's like coach, it's like it's saying - 0, what does that mean? We're saying - for what does that mean? It's cold. It's going to be windy. It's got going to be a fun game to play. You're going to hurt. That would be amazing and I also think you talk about the Bulls, keep fighting it. Here's an idea. Why don't you just sponsor that particular playoff game? Would that be your playoff game? And we're talking about these this Playoff round being the first week of December. So it would still be during most campuses fall semester. Yes.

1:33:40 They would. Although, essentially a with that who wouldn't go back? Yeah, playoff game and you're out of school. Massacres. I'm staying, I'm just going to I'll crash in the Buddy's apartment. But either way, we look at it. It's a step forward because if you go back and look at the history and we went, you know, you look 95 211 Tech would have made it every other year, 8 of 16 years and when they said at the other day it might not be the best thing for college football. In general. It's great for Virginia Tech and I'm still back with you on the recruiting thing. I think that's the piece wide. A bow in certain people will be so against it because there's a Blue Bloods. Can no longer say we're the only People that have this seat at the table.

1:34:27 Exactly. We have a essentially, a lockdown on, I mean, really, there's about six teens that have some sort of Right out the gate you know that they're going to be in the conversation at the end of the year. Yeah. And they can leverage that in recruiting every single fucking Year. Yes they can. And it's just one of those things that you start letting more people get to the table. Be more few less plates for those guys, and I think again, that's why Dabo is so against it. I haven't heard saving say anything, I haven't heard like Kirby, Smart, or Lincoln Riley. I think some of these guys would understand, will, hey, the only one that's like a mid tier that has spoken out against it as Mack Brown.

1:35:17 But What did Max? I haven't, I haven't heard Max a nice at what he said, his players didn't like the idea of playing extra games. And that they didn't think that there were 12 plus 12, good enough teams to make. Can I say something? Those guys don't want to play in the NFL then because the NFL now you might have to play 22 game or 21 games to win a Super Bowl. So do you want that? Be the first question, I'd ask you. Oh, so do y'all going to play in the NFL? Oh yeah. They're going to make them. Give me millions of dollars. okay, but you have to take 21 and I must say this, so We're talking about the difference between bowl games and a college football, playoff game.

1:36:07 All right, so a bowl game. I get so unless you are playing for something. There's not a lot of incentive to want to play an extra game. Put your body through the practice time on your preparation, all that stuff, but if you are playing for a chance to win a National Title, I can't understand how I would not want to be a part of that. Exactly, the maximum amount of games you would play is 17. That is a typical NFL season. So, that's nothing in to say, there's not 12 teams out there, man. Every time I hear somebody say that, it's like, you have to play games. Crazy thing we already talked about is the conference's. They don't they're not playing enough games. To accurately depict who the conference Representatives should be, let alone, you know, who's going to rub, be the for, I mean, we can, we can talk all we want to about well yeah, they look good on paper or yeah.

1:37:09 They pass the eye test or this that and the third and we see it. But until you play the game, you don't really know. You don't know the eye test, they're better in every aspect. If they're going to kill them by five touchdowns, they've also had four weeks off. The players who are really banged up, aren't ready to go. And now we're talking rust. I can tell you a lot of Super Bowl games that if you trusted the eye test, or what Pedro said, you'd have a lot different outcome. You damn, right by that. All right, Brian, anything breaking. As we sit here, other than we've been going well, over 90 minutes, which is not shocking, because you boys had none. This in two weeks we're catching up guys. We had a lot of news and we wanted to really kind of go into The name image or likeness and playoff thing a little bit deep here, just because it's been burning on us for a while, so here we are.

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