A Hurricane Force Collapse

0:46 Welcome back to be boundary Corner podcast, along with Brian seagull. I am Curtis Wilson, Brian. How are you tonight? Big guy. I don't know how I am. I'm still kind of feeling things out, but I know that breaker Nelson has a puckered asshole. Yes, Thursday night. It rang. True all day. Today, Hokies fall 2524 to Miami. I hate being right tonight. I wanted to be proven wrong but you know, it's it's one of the things, I don't let it ruin my day.

1:32 Yeah. Liberty game. You didn't ruin my day after after the loss. Did a couple things for my wife in the house and then took the boys out and we were riding bikes and throwing Frisbees and, you know, kicking balls around and neighbors came up with their kids kids played One minute into the fourth quarter, my PS5 arrived. So I had plenty to occupy my time. Once the game was over, all right, were you angry that like I'm saying that like I was mad seeing this sucks. We lost but I was initially angry and it was more because of like this is this is the shit that we've come to expect week in week out.

2:18 It's like the one thing that we can't expect everyone. Week is some degree of inconsistent inconsistency, whether it's on the offensive side, the defensive side occasionally, some snafus on special teams, which are usually isolated to just bad decisions by players. But yeah, man, it's, I was initially upset about that coming off what we saw last week with Liberty, like, it just felt like You know, another example of snatching defeat from the jaws of Victory with this one. Coaching coaching our way out of a win. Yeah, not knowing long suit, so many different things you can say about the last two weeks.

3:06 Let's talk about boast of that fourth quarter first, and we'll get to the I'll finish with the, in the last Drive, which just pulled away. Say no, you said the end there were two damn drives. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm getting the subsequent, two to three drives. That kind of closed out this game where we were, you know, you go for you go from driving to potentially going back up, two scores to being down, then turning the ball over then, getting it back with two minutes left and the shittiest two-minute drill. I've seen ever maybe in my entire life, but it's definitely up there if it's not the worst.

3:49 So you get the all you got two minutes, you get a pretty quick first down and then you, it was like four plays took sixty five seconds when you did it was, no, what am I said? Ron those games, we were down multiple scores. First up tonight, everybody knew fucking urgency and you're sitting here men lesson two. It's just like 149, I think is when we snapped the first down and you're like, go go, you should automatically have the play you want in and go get, everybody sitting there like check realigning the protection and having a check with me after the false start snap and you let 15 seconds run off the clock. I was seventeen, Seventeen.

4:46 I think it was 17 or 18. You say 15? I was like, Snap It. Snap, it snap it. Whoa, what are you doing? Snap it but no urgency like this is the game. Was they were giving middle of the field. Those last few plays. And I sat there, I saw some people tweet about and I thought to myself shit at least you don't want to 15 yard play, go up there. Spiking have two seconds at least a fucking chance to throw it to the end zone.

5:36 Chance to throw to the end zone. I mean chance to take a really long if we too got it to where it was under a 60-yard field goal, fuck it, roll them out there and see what he can do. But nah, we had no urgency was just kind of like okay we got this, we got this you won't talk about the two-minute drop the four-minute one is the one that just boggled my freaking mind with the interception. Yeah, we We get we can run our normal often, we don't need to go deep.

6:18 We don't need to go hurry up. We were eating their lunch in the eat intermediate game. Completely eating their lunch. Oh no. What a genius Ossie decide to run. Let's Take a Shot guys, why not? And it looked like it was some sort of option route and it looked like hooker was trying to take what? Thought he was going to take him up. The up, the sideline further and Kayla Smith ran a skinny post and it was just Oh, she wrote man. But again it's it's not necessarily it's the timing of the play of when it was its four minutes left. And your defense has believe it or not, you know, we'll get to the defense in a while defense. Believe it or not, make made a stop or two. There was a late Drive, Brian.

7:08 And I texted you this third and 15 and, you know, couple bad things have happened, but third and 15. It was essentially the food, the tenure of the Fuente, a definition, third, and 15 hint, and dry. Like the Dropbox looks good. The protection looks good and you can see the rights of developing nicely. It one of the camera angles what does he do? He fucking slips and goes lips and for me that's the definition of the Valenti are right there. It looks good. Well you drew it up. It looks nice. On a sudden, you fell flat on your fucking face.

7:50 Yes. Metaphorically speaking. Fell on your knee, literally speaking literally on your knee and you had Punt the ball and that's the one that got me because also on that drive the big play before because I think it was second and six or second and five big loss is the way hand and looked. It looked like you know that post wheel combo we like to run. Yep. Look that and it made him to stay back there. And when I looked at it, He missed an easy little underneath drink. There was when they showed him going down to that knee. Or when they showed that play, they showed a guy coming. Not the third and 15 years to come up with the play before that.

8:34 And I'm looking, I'm like if he sees that guy it's a first down and we keep driving but we won't do easy things, right? Let's hit a couple other points here. Obviously, the last drives are really in our memory. Brian, I know one guy that It has really not been on. His game is looped annuda. Yeah, I was, I was watching him today. If I mean Phillips was eating his lunch all day, man, Phil's was eating his lunch and me we can give props to DARE. Assad aerosol hairbrush or less. Took out. Quincy Roche is having any impact on the defense, but on the other side Luke was just she was struggling man. And you know, we had talked about it a couple times before this.

9:25 I mean Luke hasn't really looked like himself since he's returned from his a couple game absence from covid. Yeah. So I'm not sure if that's just, that's still pulling on him there, but when he's been out there, he's just he's struggling. Specially on with with the speed rush man. Guys it can turn on the Jets and run the hoop, he's really struggled against and he gave up a. But what about three sacks tonight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. It's nighttime. Now it was today when the game is really, it's true. He gave up the sax. He had a couple nice pops. Open some holes in the Run game but overall he just hasn't looked right?

10:07 It's and I don't know if it's conditioning or something like that, but it goes back. That goes back to some of the things we're going to discuss as we get along. We know, verify, if likes to rotate guys, he likes everybody to be able to be raised, you're playing through Rishon, but when he's looking that bad you have to lug nuts to play. We know that I can hold his own right. Yeah. And in these kinds of situations, if the game is 4221 and we're beating the living shit out of them or they're beating the living shit out of us. Yeah, let him stay in there and get his Oops, in this case, no within the liability right now, there's close enough of a margin of error where if we can get the right guy in there, just to hold another second or second and a half, in a lot of cases, you're talking about the difference between a sack and a potential, big play true.

11:01 You can go a couple of a couple times, your Phillips got around the edge and just before henin, was about to Let It Go. All of a sudden he's got to deal with them. A guy in his face and having to fight off a sack. So we saw that a lot tonight guys. And you know it's when you talk about a 1-point game those are the type of plays that could have potentially one of the thing for you. So I don't I don't know what to say here. Let's talk about him a hooker while we're here. Yeah, he played a pretty efficient game but some of that, that late turnover and a couple decisions kind of, I think Martin otherwise pretty darn, good day for him, I agree. Like yeah, he the intermediate game was working, he was very accurate in that.

11:48 I mean, you know, you take a look at him in the day, you know, 2002 through the air, 70 percent completion. I came for 29, He had another 59 on the ground with 21 carries that is not obviously not a good average and its really bad. Brian 53 of the 59 came on the touchdown care. Yeah, do the math. That's like that's not. That's a barely a quarter of your yard. I carry out. They were they were ready to stop the, the leads and the powers, and they also sacked him. So, I mean, if you're doing those two things, I mean other than the one, the one big run where he was able to get to the second level and once he was at the second level he made them pay but he could not get to the second level most of the night. Hi.

12:37 Um let's let's I'm gonna hold off because the inconsistency of the play calls I want to hit later because what I'm going to talk about and you all mr. Hooker Hooker had an OK game, you know hooker did not lose this this game. No. I mean I don't know what happened. With it. I don't know what happened on the pick with Caleb Smith. I know he had one ball where he just need to put a little bit more air. Yeah, we played an okay game, he put us in the positions time and time again. Let's flip to him, we talked about Thursday night juice, Herbert would be a big key. I want to look at all three of the running backs that we primarily play.

13:22 Okay. First of all, I think we kind of know, the deal with juice the hammy being banged up, he was out there. Probably 35 percent of the time of the snaps, although they didn't run him out there on the first series, he looked. Okay, to me, it looked like if you told me he had 20 carries today, He probably would have had 80 yards. He didn't have the gear to get away. Where we've seen. There were times he got into Poland, where we'd see him go. He was getting tackled 8 to 12 yards down the field. And, I mean, you know, we take a look at, you know, juices numbers today, you know, 84 49 Six yards, a carry his longest was 13 so he was he was fine. He was still effective despite not having the extra gear, do kind of burst and turn.

14:11 Those good plays in the great place, it's true. But again it goes back to what we're we talk about what they're seeing in Luke, we've talked about a couple things where they're seeing it practice. Okay, if he looks like he can do that, the game plan should be like, we're going to have to play Drive the ball. We can expect home runs intermediate routes. Even it when they see it that he's not breaking. The big one, they might come up a little bit more, do we? Maybe take shots, but we didn't. Now is this a medical staff since you're like? We've had so many guys that like look like they're clear. And then they don't play well. And then guys that report today and he didn't play. Yeah.

14:56 I just I don't know what's going on with that. Like if guys are cleared to play they should play. And if guys aren't cleared good enough to play, they should not play this like fully dressed but just sit on the sidelines. Bullshit, just confuses the hell out of me, man. Well confuses you and makes you mad because it's like if he's not ready you know you need to just have him completely sit out, your ask them to get dressed, go through warm-ups and everything like no, I'll even do that. Well, as an element of surprise, you should about the element of surprise. Prize if he would cure will be on that, we're not playing for a whole lot right now. Fuck the element of surprise do the right thing.

15:40 Again folks, as Brian said if you're in the car with your kids, earmuffs earmuffs the whole time. If they've got the, if they've got the headphones with the headphones on, Daddy's going to listen to his show. And if you're going to take the headphones off, you need to say, Dad, really like about yourself. Speak Your Truth. Okay, running back today, finally, we see Jalen whole crew. Get out. Jalen gets to touch down. 36 yards on four, carries to receiving to me to receiving for 11 yards of 47 total yards and use. You saw today, in my opinion.

16:34 And I don't know what he was going through again. It's the medical staff again, not on the injury report. He's been out there doing some kick returns. Why hasn't he been truly utilized as a true spell? Because he is literally he is the version of her bird that doesn't have the fifth gear. Yeah. Wow. He's got much better Vision than Blackshear between the tackles. He got the block. Well, so like I just don't I don't get why he wasn't Spill back number one from day one, because that would have done two things that would have been less of a drop-off when Herbert has to come off the field. Number two, you actually utilize rain Blackshear, the way he needs to be utilized as an offensive weapon, or a slot receiver, and not as a spell back or change of pace back. True, and you keep it moving, man. Again, it goes.

17:29 It's like the preparations that we go into games. We don't know what the fuck were doing now. Now, I look back to something that I said, like, after Blackshear got his waiver and there was that press conference with with Foo and talked about, you know, I hope you're ready. Coaching staff. You have done. Nothing to help this man, out to get him to plays that. He needs to be successful. It's like, I didn't watch the tape of the guy. You brought in? No, not at all. Or if you did, you said All right. Well, he did that. Well, but we're going to fucking square peg in a round hole that sumbitch. Exactly.

18:10 At least today, they did put it back at punt return, where he got the majority of his yard when he ended up getting a big 21-yard return, essentially flip the field for us. Although we go down, we kick the field goal down that which just annoys you because you're like with the 49-yard line, let's get it and go. And there are a couple times, I give him Credit in. I saw people on social media say, oh well why didn't you just catch that? You can't let that roll some of those punch? You can see we're coming in funky. Yeah. Hot returner a good to grow pot. Return will not try to catch those because they know only one thing can happen if it's bad. I mean it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation because we're coming off a week.

19:03 We're a big play like that on special teams, cost us a touchdown in a one score loss and I'm sure some of that was in the back of his mind. It being the first week where he's been tabbed to be the guy back there, you know, you say, you got to play whatever. That's obviously in his head. I mean, it's not an excuse but it's definitely a reason. And when you see a ball coming in like that, you're like, we're still in a position where we can win this game. I'm not going to lose us this game in one play. It's very true. It's very true. And again, a couple of those you can just see when they came off and guess what, they didn't look right, if it doesn't look right, don't try to get it, especially there if the coverage is closing and good now, by all means you got 15 yards take a risk.

19:53 Well, I mean the style of the kick is Because they hold it long. It's a rugby style. It's not, it's not a hanger. It's very low in line drive and those take weird bounces. So nothing about it is predictable very, very true. All right, all right, so finally brine, my prayer was answered, my prayer was answered today. We get a third and short situation, and we finally bring in Quincy Patterson. We did it one time and one time it converted, but we only did it once and I just don't get it.

20:36 There were some times today where, you know, third and five third and say you know what, if you're in a position where you think you're going to go for it. Screw it. Put them in the washing, you ran quarterback power and quarterback lead on several, third and 7 and third and sixes anyway. Why not? Put the fucking battering ram in there to do it? Yeah. Those third and sages and third and sevens folks. I wish some of you could see the text chain. When those happen, it's usually being brighter. Like we'll probably going for it here, right. Braun was like, yeah, 55 yard field goal. You just Basically went for quarterback lead on Third, and six or third and seven is like a couple times. It's like we ran it on.

21:27 Plus h we have punished just like, what are we doing? It doesn't make any sense. That's see that on Third and long, I'm saying, oh, the coordinator is telling me that we're going for it on fourth down. Yeah, that's what I thought that's. That is what I read when I see someone make that That call and then consistently not doing that is mind-boggling. You after they ran that they kicked a long-ass field goal one time and then they punted the second time now. Thankfully our punter ended up backing him up deep, I think that was the one that ended up getting down at the five yard line and the defense held got a three and out.

22:08 But still I mean that's that's a situation where you can potentially get try to get some points by being aggressive. Civ and trying to get the first down and you call. What I consider a passive third-down call and then don't go aggressive on forth. Like you can't go passive on third if you're not going for it on fourth or if it's as it's basically non-logical play-calling like we are one would do that. Also your guy that has consistently been able to pull that shit off is Khalil. Herbert is not on the field in those situations. What happened today was a today was a inconsistency of the play called. It was the perfect day.

22:53 Where I swear to God, Brian, I think Justin Fuente was keeping a square. I think the Wednesday was calling some of those drives and I think he 120 130 Go back and look at that drive folk. If you record it or when it shows up. That doesn't look like a bread cord, Nielsen Drive.

23:33 There were other drives today with some of the past Concepts. Some of the things that I just saw the hooker touchdown on a sec Network where it's Trey. Come take Turner tape Robinson, excuse me, not Trey Turner. Comes motions behind then essentially gets on the left side of hinden runs. A jet fake. And essentially Hendon let's run go up. There were times we did that on the next round. We did nothing. Of that. I have. No but my conspiracy theory is Justin. Fuente is basically proven his friend is a terrible play call or by calling opposites and Essentially losing us again.

24:20 Why like, plays like that, I'll tell you why, because what they do is that they give the defense a different look. Even when you're running a play that you run, 10 or 12 times again, right? It's true. So it, I mean, it's essentially a quarterback power, right? But the window dressing, makes it look different than the jet in motion or the fake outside Zone in the inverted, beer, right? So it looks different but it's the same thing that we've been seeing. So Other piece of you're making people for just a tenth of a second, have to wait. Unless they truly trust their renal, it's going to be quarterback power.

25:08 But if you read it as quarterback power and he stepped and he handed it off and you stepped inside, run your guard. I'm sure you'd love to see linebacker step inside when it's going to be something going outside because you get to get to that second level. And put them there is doing The inside power before. Don't care. You've got to wait, you've got to wait and let the play develop. Yep.

25:48 Card quarterback power. Getting eight yards, is a hell of a lot better than getting 50 the other way. And the other thing I didn't like about it, we saw in motion. And I don't think any time today, didn't we pass out of it, but that's a setup, because if you run that, and you have hand, and take that one step 4, Well, the linebackers are sucking up, so you're going to have nice, intermediate crossers like Kayla Smith called a beauty that 30-yard passed away. He called was beautiful. Yes, across that, that, that that 15-yard Crossing route, but it starts opening things up. So, you know, it's the same old thing today was different because there were some drives that look and is this bad?

26:32 I'm gonna say this Prime. There were droughts today to look professional. Hey, Pretty much all three of our scoring drives where we got touchdowns looked one way or something that you would want to see there was consistency. There was seemed like a sequence that made sense most of the execution was there. And then, you know, we had a handful that just looked like we were lost and then a handful where it felt like the coordinator crossed the 50 and just Again, just forgets what to do.

27:14 Ya like we're one of those teams that Because we have some really good play designs. Because we have really good play designs. I'm trying to figure out how Oregon state scored. You see if touchdown pop up in like they didn't have the ball. The last time I saw it really good play designs that even when they aren't perfectly executed they get positive. Yardage the most prominent today was that Jet Sweep late in the game second and ten go through my notebook here because when I saw it wrong it was a really good play. We ran it was second and 10.

27:59 Think we had taken a intermediate shot, missed it, but we run a Jet Sweep short side. The linebackers have to do with they. Do they stay home now. They eventually flow out. They get in five yards, downfield. It was one of those plays where it was set up to say, we're going to be second and five or second. And for the unit, they grew up in miss it, we're gonna have a big game. That's what irritates me is. When, you know, okay, we just need Day, you need to find the play. That is going to get you in a position to convert. In the next play, we didn't get it. But you saw the setup happen and that's what I get more and more angry about.

28:42 Yeah. It's like that one was kind of on, you know, sometimes you just either. Don't execute and sometimes defense just plays well, I mean, sometimes you got to give it, give them credit. They, they have the right call to stop what you call, it wasn't necessarily a bad call. But yeah, you know, here you are. But we had some drives that looked good like that. We have some drives up, we scored on then. We had some drives that just look look, like, we were lost, man. And that inconsistency is what is killing this team, man? It's killing us. But I mean, I think we've kind of think we sucked all the marrow out of the offense here, man. Let's talk about the defense a little bit. Best game they've played all season. I agree, I agree.

29:31 If you had told me or Brawn, Thursday night, they're going to get 225. First of all, think we would have been like you're out of your damn shits, you say? I mean, did you see specifically today that really why it was their best game? The front seven played the most complete game, they played this entire year including tax including decks. I'd say if I'd almost go to the point and say especially Dax which is something that y'all know I have not said this year. Slander weird.

30:16 Acts truthers. Yes, we are next truth. You know, we've been critical of the front seven. Yeah. And the secondary, but, you know, in particularly we've hammered, the linebackers pretty bad this year. We've hammered the defensive, tackles pretty bad, and I don't have a whole lot of slander for the front seven. But man, that's six packs today. He had six sacks. You held the pretty potent offense to 25 points under 400 Euro. He gave up one play of over 20 yards, true. I mean, Deanna Kings rushing stats today. Did he give you seen those pretty much non-existent man?

31:00 Yeah, 15 yards. Well, me and Brian are saying, hey, we're glad to be wrong. Unfortunately, we didn't, if you told me, we held your king to under 300 combined yards, out of told you full of shit. But we did, we did um you know Dex definitely best game today after the it did not start out that way that first drive. Oh my God. He was he It fits, he went the wrong way. He was, he blew essentially a cover just looking where he was and where Devon Taylor wasn't one of those passes, he was in the wrong spot and it was just like it all.

31:44 Here comes the same old axe again, but then he turned it around. He he got off some blocks. Yeah, he went General blocks. He did a good job of getting into the flat on several things and patches that we're going to the Outline like quick out. One of his best place. Today was did that, scramble at the are King? He use leverage. He basically did you saw that play, right? Yeah, he basically turned. And he basically said, you're either going out of bounds of your coming back in King, turn back in and he, you know, he had that tear but they've got that arm. Its load him into guys were there. And when we talk crime has over the years, educating me on Leverage, and he's like, that's what you did.

32:30 Oh, you want to turn back upfield You come on because people are going to be here real quick and that's what happened. Yep. Exactly man. And he did a great job. I'm going to give another shout-out to Hewitt who had to war the 25 today. He earned the 25 today and Rob definitely his best game of the season by large margin or interior. Yeah it's got a sack today Kendricks blew up one of those sack early he absolutely just It was like pop, pop, neat. He basically hand fog, got the guy down right up to the are King. Yep. And I mean, the defensive ends played well Justice Reed had a good game bar. No had a good game.

33:14 I mean, this was a complete effort. Rook probably had his best game of the season, as well. Brooke look like rough today. Yeah, getting to the spots popping. Not look. Looking like me. Finally, he where he was out for covid. Maybe finally got his football win back. The guy we have known the last three years. It's true man. I'm going to call out to plays in the secondary that I would say. Would that were the two worst plays of the day. We've been positively we put on the icing here I'm going to put a big ol loogie right there on the Apple on the cake. It's still edible, you know depending on who Are you might still eat it?

34:05 I want to start with the ball where King just kind of chucked it towards the sideline, Chapman was playing underneath the route and instead of giving ground and getting a pic held ground and then tried to jump and make a play. And instead of ended up either an interception or fourth down, they get a first down on a third and long. Yeah, that he looked like he apparently he just gauge how how much air was going to be on that ball completely wrong and then was just in a position where he could make a play and tried to jump late. That's the only thing I could think of their man but he definitely misread the the ball in the air. The second one, I'm not sure.

34:57 Responsibility here. But it was on the the only big play of the game. The Long touchdown, the gave them the lead based on what I saw. It looked like they were almost in a all-out blitz Cover 3 and they ran that RPO and Taylor just did not get enough depth. Now, he was, he could see, he was, he was five yards in front of where that passed was. Yeah, I'm I could be wrong on what the coverage was. It might have been some sort of man responsibility across the board on that Blitz. But yeah, it looked like he should have had kind of the intermediate to deep third. Since we were bringing the house and he was just too shallow and we got to beat them kind of that that quick post, what it was. Because it looked like as soon as as soon as that ball was snapped, when he hit that third step. He chucked.

35:53 It like he immediately saw no one was in that zone and the way the leverage was. So again, the way the leverage was set up was, I think my Brian seem to belong coverage is the way it was set up. It looks like he was trying to turn him inside to say I'm going to turn you inside. There's going to be a Zone. You're going to go right into a Zone with someone. They're correct it. Like he had because he was running with him, but he was running with him in a, almost a trail responsibility. So it seemed like it was, it was kind of a cover three with everybody underneath going after the quarterback and just Taylor didn't have enough depth, where when the post crossed out of the, the corners Zone into the middle, he just wasn't there to make a play and it almost, you know, from from other perspectives. And it might have been a manner.

36:46 Responsibility. But the way he got beat kind of right away. Didn't look like it looks like he thought he had helped inside. Got you. All right, let's go back. Let's let's kick the loogie off those again. Best of the day jehan's. Best schematic game, without a doubt. His best play calling game, the blood says were unique and you said something. And I'll say what you said to me about out what we did today that if we had done some of these other games, we might not be formed or right now. Yeah. I mean, I talked about a little bit on Thursday to I was I was saying that this defense consistently throughout the year is not been dictating terms to the offense and it felt like we finally started doing that today, whether it was some of the stunts with the defensive line or the blitz is that we were bringing we felt like I felt like we were actually saying You're not going to fucking score. We're going to hit you.

37:45 We're going to knock your dick in the dirt. It felt like a defense that again I said it we they haven't feared us all year and look like hey you might you might think twice before doing some things against this one? Exactly. It was the first time I can really say that. I mean, you know, I'm not saying that we're turning a corner on defense, but I definitely think in terms of effort and again, dictating terms, this was definitely the best effort of the Year by far. 100%. And you know what? If this is the type of Defense Justin Hamilton wants to run, I think can be highly successful in this area of college football with, you know, there's going to score points. I mean, look at the track meet that broke out today between wake and UNC.

38:35 Yep, makes me feel better about both of those games, little little bit. In January where we can just order a drink, we're going to get a leader of our choice since six feet apart it one of our houses in the cold get drunk and do it. There we go. Yeah, our eyes would well, you know I mean we'll still do it. We just might have to pay for it. Exactly my out there has pouches please let us know. You know again loss. Today brings the Hokies to four and four and look after, you know, essentially starting forward to going into what we thought, okay?

39:30 After after Liberty to be our toughest, stretch, we can get. If we get to Miami five and one we can do some things because you feel confidence. But if we're fortunate that way, and this is sort of our take y'all, and we're going to just get into some stuff on the coaching situation and we kind of mentioned it last week, but this is, we've crafted their statement. It's our opinion that if the money can be found in its ten million dollars, so, if you hit the lottery tonight, in your Virginia Tech fan, get a stretch at If the money can be found, this is going to be the last year of the Justin Fuente era. Now, who stays and who goes on this staff, let that be up to the next head guy cuz you know, I think Braun me and you both feel that there are a few coaches on this staff that if the next guy walks in and he doesn't have like his Ace for that position.

40:32 There's some guys it could be retained. Yeah. I mean there's there's probably a handful Let's start with the guy that we've been given a whole lot of love the last couple weeks. James, tribest hundred percent. I think he's probably. He's probably done. Consistently the best job on the staff all year. He's only - plays have been bad decisions and execution by the players, not any calls that he's made. I think he's done a really good job of getting his guys prepared to do the things they need to do, especially when When? It's crunch time. Yep. So yeah, I would definitely consider retaining him. I'd also look at a couple guys on the defensive side of the ball.

41:19 You guys might laugh at me for saying that, but just based on their ties to the program, their ties to Virginia Retaining Justin Hamilton as a position coach and Darryl. Tapp, as a position coach would probably be a good decision. I'm with you on all three of those especially shy best. I mean, Chavez has been one of the best of special teams coordinator has over the last two decades, but without any question and depending on who the higher is, you're probably not going to find someone as good as him to just handle that for you. The tapping ham thing makes sense. People even set it.

42:00 That ham was, he probably wasn't quite right for this, some of you quite right? Just not quite ready. I think he's right but I think he's not seasoned enough to my ready to take over that degree of responsibility. Especially without. I mean we thought that the Clay's higher was kind of a slam dunk in terms of easing him into the thing and that's turned out to be a fucking clown show. No, disrespect to Tracy claeys in his career. But I don't think it's been a good fit for him here. No, not at all. Let me know missing. And when we set it, the entire Team Missing. The. Note Spring ball summer conditioning stuff, true Camp, starting to season and Labor Day. Not 34 weeks later, you know, I think they can be kept app. I don't care who the coach and higher is next. They have to keep him.

42:58 They have to because he lives at he breathes it you know he can be great. I won't throw two more names out there for you. Okay. You tell me what you think. You've got your three guys. I like Like those guys, there's truly to I feel like could be kept but two more names in interest me. One is Ryan Smith. Okay? Right. Yeah. He was one of the 30s under 34 24/7 last year and the other one. I don't know where you're going with your running back coach. Usually, one of the easier positions to fill but more This connections with junior colleges. He looks like he knows how to find guys, knows how to do the portal stuff.

43:50 Well, where it's like, you know, that's an easy higher. You automatically say, you're the Juco guy. That's your, that's your territory. You're not touching anything else in recruiting. Look at the giucose file. We need. We think about those two. I think those two you can make a case for think. You could also maybe We make a case for for Coach Vise with what he's doing with the offensive line. Getting getting trying to find good fit guys. Doing good at keeping guys rotational where you've got guys that can play in different areas when you need to when a guy goes down or when a guy's not getting the job done. So I like what he's done.

44:33 And again, guys, this is all contingent on who the ultimate big guy higher is and what type of coordinators they In along because obviously, you know, if the guy they hire is a quarterbacks coach or if a the DC, they hire is a quarterbacks coach, the chance of of Smitty hanging around, is slim to none. But, you know, if, if it's not that case, then you know, I think that's when you start looking to some of these guys staying around since we're talking about retaining and and not let's talk about Who the next guy should be?

45:18 I'm thinking, man, who's your who's your who's your One A Day is without a doubt. It's Luke fickle, okay. I mean, what he's done at Cincinnati in the way he scraped himself up after kind of getting thrown into the fire, you know, with the whole Trussell thing which is, you know, I think a decade ago now, but how he essentially has stepped himself up and it's kind of turned that program into legitimately Right now, the best group of five. Yeah. School probably by a significant margin.

46:01 Yeah, it's not no slander on UCF or anything or, you know, even Josh heupel down there. He could be on a short list of eventually, but I think his mentality, he's a defensive guy. He plays knows, he played nose guard, Ohio State back in the 90s. You know, 33 and 13. Is a head coach. He's 33 and 13 is a head coach. Even with the Ohio State six and seven year in there. You think, love that year, you take out that year the guys, 27 and six It's impressive, man, impressive, and that's a foreign aid his first year in Cincinnati.

46:45 He's a younger guy, you know, he's only 47 years old. Got a long time left to coach, he's the first call. Okay. Do you agree? What he be your first call he will be my first call as well. I think just what he brings to the table. His resume combined with the way he works. Yeah. And what he's been able to do in a short period of time there at Cincinnati, I feel like we've seen enough Of what he's done there as well. So it's not it's not like such a small sample size where, you know, you say well maybe that's this or that's that I think we've seen enough where, you know, we know that this is all him getting this thing done. So yeah it would definitely be my 1A 1B is going to be for me, Todd Grantham.

47:44 Oh man at the hot, that's a hot button. I mean if you can get a get a long way from the abrasiveness that kind of comes with that name in terms of what's happened with some other staffs and and fan bases, I think you can really It's a me. It's really a slam-dunk higher mean you gotta, you know, a hokie a guy that's coached here. Before I got understands recruiting in Virginia guy that how he rubs people aside has always been good in the living room with recruits true. And the fact that potentially if you make that higher you also get Tory and graze your defensive coordinator. That's a big one because I think he could get toring to come. Grant them all.

48:40 So, he went to Tech also grew up in Pulaski so literally from the region Hometown boy, 1 pound voice intially. It's another. So do you want to say? It's a Frank. I but I like him as well. Again the torian things big because you told you tell half this fan base torian's coming back but you got to deal with Todd half on would say screw it torian's that good. Yeah it's the whole thing of He's coached everywhere. He coached. Ten years in the NFL, he's been in Big Ten country, he's been in the SEC now, you know, basically of the last 10 years, seven of the last ten years, with Georgia, Mississippi State, and now Florida.

49:29 You talk about the guys who were on staff. The one thing you would not have to worry about with him having that many times played or how many coached at that. Many places. Excuse me. You would find solid hires it, probably every single position. There would be somebody, even though he's abrasive and they know he can be an a-hole, you know what? I know, he'll work hard. I know who put good things in place, so I would be opposed to that. Now, I think it's one of those things too. If you're talking about a Target demographic, to get fundraising up. He's not going to get your mass.

50:16 Right along with the mass of people he is in his mid 5654 so he's not he's not late 60s he's he's at that age a lot of times guys who work for years and years to get their first job. He's a potential 10-year higher, he's a ten year high but it's also when you're talking about a guy who's that age you kind of start thinking about. These are the people who are there when the stuff was bad and it went not good. You hire him maybe some of those people who are making significant amounts of money, all over the country who are that age. Instead of donating five thousand dollars a year, they donate 20 I like Todd.

51:02 Todd play. When I was there. I remember Todd Todd coach when I was there. I remember Todd potentially, helping what you've been saying, and what we've been saying, numerous times the higher can be great if the Investments not there, it could go sideways. Yeah, we're going to do Five Guys. The third one bronze Grover. Podium for this guy, like the guy Brian still on the podium for him though. Yeah, I like I like Marcus Freeman and I only say Marcus Freeman. I think he's a good look. If you're not able to get Luke or Todd because Luke potentially could go to some sort of loose, Blueblood school, that is trying to flip the script. Did you see what just happened?

51:53 To Michigan today. Yeah, yeah. D, what happened to Penn State today? Yeah. Yeah. There's some potential for big blue blood schools that are on the Rocks right now to make a splash higher. So Loop fickle could be gone regardless of how bad we want him. Sure. So if we're looking another guy, let's look at the defensive coordinator for those up and coming. Bear cats that are you know climbing the ladder of the top 25. Also a linebackers coach. Yeah, yeah. So I like I like him.

52:37 I like what he's been able to do with recruiting in the short time that he's been with the Bearcats. I like that. He seems like a guy that can really relate to a lot of the youth in the areas that we recruit. So I think that would be good. He doesn't have a big history of recruiting in the state in the region, but he's done well, when He's dipped his toes in there. And he's done well across the board for recruiting when he's been out there. So I like it. You know, it's not a sexy higher but I think he's a young guy that can relate with the players a lot better and bring some interesting philosophies on defense that even jams, not even exploring at this point. So I think it's a win-win on that front. All right, the one reason he wasn't as high for me as he was for Brian.

53:34 Y'all because we play a fight. Is my worry. Brian. And I told Brian, that's my worry. If you hire him and you lose fickle, people are going to be like you missed your big guy. That's why you had to hire him. And the way I feel some people would say is well if you're going to hire some defensive coordinator from Cincinnati, I'm not giving you my money. And it's one of those things where, again, people that follow it, you see how good Cincinnati's been, he's 34 years old. You talking about relating. Now, on the other hand hiring, somebody that young, lot of young professionals out there might be like, I love this higher. Yeah, I only can give $100 a year cool, but when there's 10,000 of those stroke and checks for a hundred dollars a year that will cope with things significantly in, you know you kind of look at it and say with him is kind of like the fickle thing at his age right now.

54:36 There's only one place. He probably go too. That's t. Five wise and that would be Ohio State. Yeah. Andy his age right now, Vic was one of Ohio's state guy was that interim job but once he went, there was defensive coordinator under Urban for a few years went back to Cincinnati went to Cincinnati. He kind of knows coaching his alma mater as a head coach is gone. And for Freeman. It's still the option out there. Now, I threw brawny, ginormous curveball here, Because I mentioned one guy runs like, yeah, and then I threw this name out. Jamie Chadwell for everybody at home. I'm going to give you a few seconds to go on. Your smartphones are put in, Jamie Chadwell in your search engine.

55:35 Okay. Jamie Chadwell is the current head coach and offensive coordinator of Coastal Carolina in. Obviously this year, they are having a great season and he's actually been a head coach for well over or just over a decade. Decade starting in D2. Then moving to the Gulf South Conference, then moving to the Big South or at Charleston, Southern, two years in the playoffs, then came to Coastal. A couple rough years but finally got them going in the right direction. I like him for a couple reason, a his age, he's like his early 40s. Some people will say when T is 2, okay? That doesn't help us.

56:22 But my bigger thing is, where he's done. His primary coaching is down in South Carolina. So for me, I think he's a guy that probably gets the region, okay? It's Georgia, he probably gets North Carolina, he probably gets Virginia. He played out at East Tennessee State Probably gets that reason, probably gets you no more virus Channel, footprint here. And I just feel that it would be, it would be one of the this is the long shot. Right. Okay. Yeah. If you're talking money-wise, I've been trying to find his current salary for the last couple minutes, and it's not been there. So let's get efforting, efforting, efforting, efforting Alright, his current deal.

57:15 You're ready for brines Thanksgiving? Yeah. Financially, if you feel like you have to cut some things, you're not going to pan out the Wazoo out of the gate. So, you know, let me throw a little caveat on that here. So I said, Jamie Chadwell someone, that's kind of essentially similar in this same vein here. There you go.

58:27 Will he lie? Only been a head coach since 2016, but his annual salaries 755,000. So that's another one, where two million will get the job done. And another young guy similar to, to Freeman that can really relate with These kids I think and do a good job with the recruiting. Albemarle Mater is University of Richmond so understands the area coaching and Charlotte you know it was a coach at Austin Peay before he went to UNC Charlotte.

59:18 Yeah I don't think it's a slam dunk. I don't think it's sexy but I think similar to Jamie Chad. Well, it might be a pretty decent run. They're not always true man and the one that I threw out there to you. And these guys did not their own our list, but they didn't go top five. Because when you consensus things up, you have to be honest. I love Billy. Napier bronze, kind of out on him. I don't know why. You know, what's the best part of this Brandon agree with that? I didn't like Healy that much because I think he's too young and he's literally having to build a program from the base. But I like Napier coached at Clemson knows that region been down.

1:00:00 Louisiana doing very good down there but I will give you one more name. You ready? This is the main man. Throw out. Your old coach. Bronson. Yeah, I mean I can speak for a little bit on him man. When I was at him and Sydney, he coached d-line one year and tight ends for for one year, definitely like a player's coach understands the relationships to give you guys a idea of the type of Coach you're dealing with. He's a guy that was enrolled at In Sydney while he was coaching and I don't want to play, I want to coach. And so as a essentially, a tapir he was commanding that respect to players and getting the job done in a high-level had said one of the best years for our tight ends, the years he was coaching tight ends, we had one that was all owed act that year. So he knows his shit and he's had success at pretty much every stopped.

1:01:11 Since then it's good. It's going to not it's nobody in the family. Base is going to say yes, let's hire another Memphis coach after point. A and after what's going on with Mike Norvell down at FSU. But if you just want my opinion on the guy, I think he'd be a good hire. well, I mean he coached In Georgia high schools, he coached Virginia. So obviously, he's probably got some inroads here even though it was 20 years ago. He was an NFL coach, he coached down at UCF, he was out of there as own estate, he was at Toledo and then he's been at Memphis for the last four years under Norville.

1:01:52 So guy has a ton of experience in clearly you talk about, I was in school wanting to coach. And then, makes his way to the NFL for, you know, better part of half a decade. It does say something about him. All right, Brian, there's a big elephant in the room, there is man, and this is, this is one. If you throw it on the Twitter timeline, you're going to get Jesus either either guys that love it so much that they're it's ridiculous or guys that will be added lie against it. this isn't Curtis is He grew up here.

1:02:40 He played here, his dad was a legend here, he gets the culture. The other half, he won shit. What's he done? He's not even a coordinator anywhere. And I think I don't think rain is football X's and O's coach know, maybe on special teams if we hired him he would pretty much do what his dad did is that bhc and Coach special teams. It's true. But the whole thing is in Brian since you coached so many people think that coach has to do one thing.

1:03:21 You know, they got a, they've got to have one side of the ball, the other. Some of the best coaches aren't exit. The no Geniuses at any of it, right? But there are little motivators The Unbelievable organizers. They're good CEOs. Yeah. And in a sense experts at managing The Works, they're not experts in any any one discipline. And with him it's one of those things. He's been an assistant head coach, he was an assistant head coach with his Dad. He was a special teams coordinator for Kirby Smart and for the last four season three seasons, he's been an associate or assistant the assistant head coach for Lincoln Raleigh in coaching tight ends. He's only making four hundred seventy thousand dollars. I think, I think he would take a HomeTown discount between two and two and a half million.

1:04:14 If he does that you can go get million-dollar coordinators. Yeah, I mean let's go ahead and get this out of the way I feel like unless guys are Hell bent on certain coordinators. We need to be paying a million dollars for our coordinators. True. Is he in, you know, if we look at what's going on right now with with the two coordinators that we have right now we're kind of getting what we paid for. We're getting a guy that has potential but is very green on the defensive side and we're getting a guy that has a pretty good grasp of scheme but is very poor at preparing his team to play.

1:05:04 And getting consistent play on the field, both in the play calling front and the actual execution. Be honest, truth, man. So you know, talk about all that and we and now we need to say if we're going to take a step forward, we need the salaries for those coordinators to be competitive with the with the teams that we want to be consistently. It's true man. But the other thing with Shane and Shane is kind of similar to Similar to Todd, he's changed in coaching, 20 years and and the folks who do knock it and say, well, it's Duncan.

1:05:48 Yeah. Okay. He coached at Georgia Tech in 2000. He coached at Tennessee on her. Former as a ga 2001, 2002 2003, he was at Smith. Sippy state with Sylvester Croom 04, 05 06. He was down with the old ball coach. From 2007 to 2010. He clearly was here with his dad again with Kirby it, Georgia and went to Lincoln. I think. And again, if you if you think about how his dad hired people in his dad's personality, and I know her dad's not all him, You know, Frank coached almost a decade before.

1:06:32 Well, actually over a decade before he got here, right? Yeah. I just want to do thumb real quick. And again, I like doing this stuff live because it's kind of fun, everything everything Frank woman graduated in 1968. from 1972 to 1987 he coached at Maryland, The Citadel Murray State He was body roll some of those years and with Murray State, he was actually the defensive coordinator before he came. You know, you talk about some of the guys that he pulled in. He pulled in Wiles was a guy. He coached Bud was a guy.

1:07:16 He coached, you know, being just because a guy hasn't went to coordinator or he's been coaching 20 years, you know, look at Indiana right now. You should enhance doing. Look at that. He was a coach from 1992 to 2000 16 when he became the defensive coordinator coach got fire, he took over interim, they hired, and he's built them up in the last four years and they beat Michigan. And they've been state is when the day.

1:07:59 Well, don't just because a guy's not been what the coordinator or a coach somewhere else. Don't let that not. Yeah, I'm probably not as high on on Shane as you are or some some folks on the timeline have been, but I'm not opposed to it. I think it would be from a, we talked about the CEO perspective. I think it would be a very good choice from that front because I think he does handle those aspects of the job. Well, I think you would be good with donors. What I don't know is what concerns me, I guess is more of the recruiting side of it just because there were very big ups and downs for him while he was on the staff. All right, hold on, can I can I can tell you what to solve that. Yep.

1:08:56 Comes in goes to Dad and you conference call Lauren Johnson and you say Lauren. We want you on this step history or thousand dollars. You don't think that would solve some of his recruiting woes in certain places in this state that would help grabbing probably keeping their assistant from the 757 might help and you can keep it keep it moving potential there. But I also think you talked about donors, Shane there so they can say what they want to say. The people who are going to give the hundred to two hundred dollars a year that are casual Virginia Tech things and we are in some of you might be casual listening to us and that's fine because you that's your priorities and that's all but I think Shane could touch every single piece of the base, his dad to leverage the older donors himself. to sort of essential even Grantham up to the RH folks, you can grab those and then you see Shane and how he acts and you see Shane's full of energy and you see his personality And I feel like he would be one of those Innovative guys to get the kids graduating to become members of the hockey club. Yeah, so yeah.

1:10:16 So for whatever small role it was he can also say that he was on the 99 team where he was the Long Snapper, man. Remember this folks about the 9019 If Shane Beamer was a shitty Long Snapper, the miracle and Morgantown never happens. Bingo whatever that's worth. That's going to count right there. It counts. Anything else breaking since we've been on here for it? What now we're 20 minutes or so our 10 minutes, okay?

1:10:58 Last week, I'm not as drunk as last week. The extra 20 minutes here. We're not, we're not pushing our 40 listening to that show but I'm not seeing anything breaking. I am watching some Pac-12 after dark on my end here seeing Washington, go up 17-7, there's a couple others. There's another Mac game on which I think, I'm gonna probably turn in early tonight. Master starts at 10:00 tomorrow and I do want to watch that as long as I can. If there's nothing else. Breaking Braun, let's wrap it. Yes, sir.

1:11:38 All right, that takes care of this episode of The Boundary Corner podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler, we do ask you, follow us on Twitter. Facebook also subscribe on your favorite podcast Source, Amazon Spotify. Apple podcast please rate review. Leave us messages. Give us the five star, ask us questions. Some people want to know about Quincy. We we touch that a brief bit tonight. You know, that's what we're here for. We want them to talk about. There's something you guys are interested in. Let us know.

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