A Hurricane Force Collapse
A Hurricane Force Collapse
Boundary Corner Podcast
A Hurricane Force Collapse

Your boys Curtis and Brian discuss the Hokies latest fourth quarter collapse against the Miami Hurricanes. They review the offensive break down, wasting the best defensive effort of the season, and why this loss rubber stamps the need to move on from the Fuente era at Virginia Tech.

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Welcome back to be boundary
Corner podcast, along with Brian

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seagull.
I am Curtis Wilson, Brian.

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How are you tonight?
Big guy.

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I don't know how I am.
I'm still kind of feeling things

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out, but I know that breaker
Nelson has a puckered asshole.

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Yes, Thursday night.
It rang.

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True all day.
Today, Hokies fall 2524 to

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Miami.
I hate being right tonight.

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I wanted to be proven wrong but
you know, it's it's one of the

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things, I don't let it ruin my
day.

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Yeah.
Liberty game.

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You didn't ruin my day after
after the loss.

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Did a couple things for my wife
in the house and then took the

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boys out and we were riding
bikes and throwing Frisbees and,

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you know, kicking balls around
and neighbors came up with their

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kids kids played One minute into
the fourth quarter, my PS5

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arrived.
So I had plenty to occupy my

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time.
Once the game was over, all

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right, were you angry that like
I'm saying that like I was mad

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seeing this sucks.
We lost but I was initially

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angry and it was more because of
like this is this is the shit

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that we've come to expect week
in week out.

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It's like the one thing that we
can't expect everyone.

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Week is some degree of
inconsistent inconsistency,

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whether it's on the offensive
side, the defensive side

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occasionally, some snafus on
special teams, which are usually

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isolated to just bad decisions
by players.

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But yeah, man, it's, I was
initially upset about that

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coming off what we saw last week
with Liberty, like, it just felt

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like You know, another example
of snatching defeat from the

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jaws of Victory with this one.
Coaching coaching our way out of

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a win.
Yeah, not knowing long suit, so

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many different things you can
say about the last two weeks.

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Let's talk about boast of that
fourth quarter first, and we'll

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get to the I'll finish with the,
in the last Drive, which just

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pulled away.
Say no, you said the end there

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were two damn drives.
That's what I'm saying.

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Like, I'm getting the
subsequent, two to three drives.

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That kind of closed out this
game where we were, you know,

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you go for you go from driving
to potentially going back up,

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two scores to being down, then
turning the ball over then,

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getting it back with two minutes
left and the shittiest

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two-minute drill.
I've seen ever maybe in my

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entire life, but it's definitely
up there if it's not the worst.

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So you get the all you got two
minutes, you get a pretty quick

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first down and then you, it was
like four plays took sixty five

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seconds when you did it was, no,
what am I said?

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Ron those games, we were down
multiple scores.

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First up tonight, everybody knew
fucking urgency and you're

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sitting here men lesson two.
It's just like 149, I think is

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when we snapped the first down
and you're like, go go, you

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should automatically have the
play you want in and go get,

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everybody sitting there like
check realigning the protection

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and having a check with me after
the false start snap and you let

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15 seconds run off the clock.
I was seventeen, Seventeen.

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I think it was 17 or 18.
You say 15?

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I was like, Snap It.
Snap, it snap it.

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Whoa, what are you doing?
Snap it but no urgency like this

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is the game.
Was they were giving middle of

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the field.
Those last few plays.

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And I sat there, I saw some
people tweet about and I thought

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to myself shit at least you
don't want to 15 yard play, go

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up there.
Spiking have two seconds at

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least a fucking chance to throw
it to the end zone.

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Chance to throw to the end zone.
I mean chance to take a really

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long if we too got it to where
it was under a 60-yard field

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goal, fuck it, roll them out
there and see what he can do.

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But nah, we had no urgency was
just kind of like okay we got

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this, we got this you won't talk
about the two-minute drop the

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four-minute one is the one that
just boggled my freaking mind

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with the interception.
Yeah, we We get we can run our

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normal often, we don't need to
go deep.

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We don't need to go hurry up.
We were eating their lunch in

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the eat intermediate game.
Completely eating their lunch.

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Oh no.
What a genius Ossie decide to

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run.
Let's Take a Shot guys, why not?

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And it looked like it was some
sort of option route and it

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looked like hooker was trying to
take what?

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Thought he was going to take him
up.

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The up, the sideline further and
Kayla Smith ran a skinny post

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and it was just Oh, she wrote
man.

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But again it's it's not
necessarily it's the timing of

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the play of when it was its four
minutes left.

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And your defense has believe it
or not, you know, we'll get to

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the defense in a while defense.
Believe it or not, make made a

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stop or two.
There was a late Drive, Brian.

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And I texted you this third and
15 and, you know, couple bad

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things have happened, but third
and 15.

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It was essentially the food, the
tenure of the Fuente, a

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definition, third, and 15 hint,
and dry.

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Like the Dropbox looks good.
The protection looks good and

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you can see the rights of
developing nicely.

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It one of the camera angles what
does he do?

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He fucking slips and goes lips
and for me that's the definition

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of the Valenti are right there.
It looks good.

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Well you drew it up.
It looks nice.

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On a sudden, you fell flat on
your fucking face.

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Yes.
Metaphorically speaking.

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Fell on your knee, literally
speaking literally on your knee

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and you had Punt the ball and
that's the one that got me

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because also on that drive the
big play before because I think

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it was second and six or second
and five big loss is the way

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hand and looked.
It looked like you know that

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post wheel combo we like to run.
Yep.

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Look that and it made him to
stay back there.

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And when I looked at it, He
missed an easy little underneath

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drink.
There was when they showed him

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going down to that knee.
Or when they showed that play,

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they showed a guy coming.
Not the third and 15 years to

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come up with the play before
that.

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And I'm looking, I'm like if he
sees that guy it's a first down

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and we keep driving but we won't
do easy things, right?

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Let's hit a couple other points
here.

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Obviously, the last drives are
really in our memory.

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Brian, I know one guy that It
has really not been on.

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His game is looped annuda.
Yeah, I was, I was watching him

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today.
If I mean Phillips was eating

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his lunch all day, man, Phil's
was eating his lunch and me we

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can give props to DARE.
Assad aerosol hairbrush or less.

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Took out.
Quincy Roche is having any

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impact on the defense, but on
the other side Luke was just she

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was struggling man.
And you know, we had talked

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about it a couple times before
this.

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I mean Luke hasn't really looked
like himself since he's returned

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from his a couple game absence
from covid.

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Yeah.
So I'm not sure if that's just,

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that's still pulling on him
there, but when he's been out

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there, he's just he's
struggling.

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Specially on with with the speed
rush man.

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Guys it can turn on the Jets and
run the hoop, he's really

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struggled against and he gave up
a.

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But what about three sacks
tonight?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry.

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It's nighttime.
Now it was today when the game

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is really, it's true.
He gave up the sax.

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He had a couple nice pops.
Open some holes in the Run game

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but overall he just hasn't
looked right?

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It's and I don't know if it's
conditioning or something like

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that, but it goes back.
That goes back to some of the

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things we're going to discuss as
we get along.

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We know, verify, if likes to
rotate guys, he likes everybody

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to be able to be raised, you're
playing through Rishon, but when

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he's looking that bad you have
to lug nuts to play.

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We know that I can hold his own
right.

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Yeah.
And in these kinds of

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situations, if the game is 4221
and we're beating the living

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shit out of them or they're
beating the living shit out of

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us.
Yeah, let him stay in there and

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get his Oops, in this case, no
within the liability right now,

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there's close enough of a margin
of error where if we can get the

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right guy in there, just to hold
another second or second and a

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half, in a lot of cases, you're
talking about the difference

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between a sack and a potential,
big play true.

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You can go a couple of a couple
times, your Phillips got around

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the edge and just before henin,
was about to Let It Go.

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All of a sudden he's got to deal
with them.

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A guy in his face and having to
fight off a sack.

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So we saw that a lot tonight
guys.

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And you know it's when you talk
about a 1-point game those are

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the type of plays that could
have potentially one of the

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thing for you.
So I don't I don't know what to

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say here.
Let's talk about him a hooker

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while we're here.
Yeah, he played a pretty

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efficient game but some of that,
that late turnover and a couple

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decisions kind of, I think
Martin otherwise pretty darn,

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good day for him, I agree.
Like yeah, he the intermediate

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game was working, he was very
accurate in that.

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I mean, you know, you take a
look at him in the day, you

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know, 2002 through the air, 70
percent completion.

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I came for 29, He had another 59
on the ground with 21 carries

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that is not obviously not a good
average and its really bad.

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Brian 53 of the 59 came on the
touchdown care.

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Yeah, do the math.
That's like that's not.

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That's a barely a quarter of
your yard.

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I carry out.
They were they were ready to

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stop the, the leads and the
powers, and they also sacked

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him.
So, I mean, if you're doing

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those two things, I mean other
than the one, the one big run

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where he was able to get to the
second level and once he was at

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the second level he made them
pay but he could not get to the

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second level most of the night.
Hi.

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Um let's let's I'm gonna hold
off because the inconsistency of

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the play calls I want to hit
later because what I'm going to

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talk about and you all mr.
Hooker Hooker had an OK game,

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you know hooker did not lose
this this game.

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No.
I mean I don't know what

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happened.
With it.

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I don't know what happened on
the pick with Caleb Smith.

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I know he had one ball where he
just need to put a little bit

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more air.
Yeah, we played an okay game, he

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put us in the positions time and
time again.

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Let's flip to him, we talked
about Thursday night juice,

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Herbert would be a big key.
I want to look at all three of

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the running backs that we
primarily play.

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Okay.
First of all, I think we kind of

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know, the deal with juice the
hammy being banged up, he was

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out there.
Probably 35 percent of the time

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of the snaps, although they
didn't run him out there on the

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first series, he looked.
Okay, to me, it looked like if

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you told me he had 20 carries
today, He probably would have

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had 80 yards.
He didn't have the gear to get

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away.
Where we've seen.

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There were times he got into
Poland, where we'd see him go.

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He was getting tackled 8 to 12
yards down the field.

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And, I mean, you know, we take a
look at, you know, juices

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numbers today, you know, 84 49
Six yards, a carry his longest

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was 13 so he was he was fine.
He was still effective despite

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not having the extra gear, do
kind of burst and turn.

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Those good plays in the great
place, it's true.

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But again it goes back to what
we're we talk about what they're

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seeing in Luke, we've talked
about a couple things where

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they're seeing it practice.
Okay, if he looks like he can do

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that, the game plan should be
like, we're going to have to

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play Drive the ball.
We can expect home runs

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intermediate routes.
Even it when they see it that

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he's not breaking.
The big one, they might come up

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a little bit more, do we?
Maybe take shots, but we didn't.

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Now is this a medical staff
since you're like?

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We've had so many guys that like
look like they're clear.

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And then they don't play well.
And then guys that report today

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and he didn't play.
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I just I don't know what's going
on with that.

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Like if guys are cleared to play
they should play.

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And if guys aren't cleared good
enough to play, they should not

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play this like fully dressed but
just sit on the sidelines.

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Bullshit, just confuses the hell
out of me, man.

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Well confuses you and makes you
mad because it's like if he's

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not ready you know you need to
just have him completely sit

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out, your ask them to get
dressed, go through warm-ups and

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everything like no, I'll even do
that.

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Well, as an element of surprise,
you should about the element of

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surprise.
Prize if he would cure will be

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on that, we're not playing for a
whole lot right now.

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Fuck the element of surprise do
the right thing.

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Again folks, as Brian said if
you're in the car with your

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kids, earmuffs earmuffs the
whole time.

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If they've got the, if they've
got the headphones with the

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headphones on, Daddy's going to
listen to his show.

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And if you're going to take the
headphones off, you need to say,

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Dad, really like about yourself.
Speak Your Truth.

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Okay, running back today,
finally, we see Jalen whole

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crew.
Get out.

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Jalen gets to touch down. 36
yards on four, carries to

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receiving to me to receiving for
11 yards of 47 total yards and

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use.
You saw today, in my opinion.

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And I don't know what he was
going through again.

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It's the medical staff again,
not on the injury report.

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He's been out there doing some
kick returns.

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Why hasn't he been truly
utilized as a true spell?

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Because he is literally he is
the version of her bird that

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doesn't have the fifth gear.
Yeah.

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Wow.
He's got much better Vision than

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Blackshear between the tackles.
He got the block.

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Well, so like I just don't I
don't get why he wasn't Spill

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back number one from day one,
because that would have done two

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things that would have been less
of a drop-off when Herbert has

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to come off the field.
Number two, you actually utilize

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rain Blackshear, the way he
needs to be utilized as an

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offensive weapon, or a slot
receiver, and not as a spell

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back or change of pace back.
True, and you keep it moving,

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man.
Again, it goes.

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It's like the preparations that
we go into games.

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We don't know what the fuck were
doing now.

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Now, I look back to something
that I said, like, after

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Blackshear got his waiver and
there was that press conference

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with with Foo and talked about,
you know, I hope you're ready.

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Coaching staff.
You have done.

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Nothing to help this man, out to
get him to plays that.

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He needs to be successful.
It's like, I didn't watch the

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tape of the guy.
You brought in?

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No, not at all.
Or if you did, you said All

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right.
Well, he did that.

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Well, but we're going to fucking
square peg in a round hole that

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sumbitch.
Exactly.

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At least today, they did put it
back at punt return, where he

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got the majority of his yard
when he ended up getting a big

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21-yard return, essentially flip
the field for us.

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Although we go down, we kick the
field goal down that which just

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annoys you because you're like
with the 49-yard line, let's get

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it and go.
And there are a couple times, I

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give him Credit in.
I saw people on social media

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say, oh well why didn't you just
catch that?

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You can't let that roll some of
those punch?

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You can see we're coming in
funky.

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Yeah.
Hot returner a good to grow pot.

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Return will not try to catch
those because they know only one

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thing can happen if it's bad.
I mean it's a damned if you do

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damned if you don't situation
because we're coming off a week.

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We're a big play like that on
special teams, cost us a

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touchdown in a one score loss
and I'm sure some of that was in

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the back of his mind.
It being the first week where

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he's been tabbed to be the guy
back there, you know, you say,

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you got to play whatever.
That's obviously in his head.

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I mean, it's not an excuse but
it's definitely a reason.

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And when you see a ball coming
in like that, you're like, we're

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still in a position where we can
win this game.

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I'm not going to lose us this
game in one play.

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It's very true.
It's very true.

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And again, a couple of those you
can just see when they came off

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and guess what, they didn't look
right, if it doesn't look right,

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don't try to get it, especially
there if the coverage is closing

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and good now, by all means you
got 15 yards take a risk.

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Well, I mean the style of the
kick is Because they hold it

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long.
It's a rugby style.

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It's not, it's not a hanger.
It's very low in line drive and

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those take weird bounces.
So nothing about it is

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predictable very, very true.
All right, all right, so finally

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brine, my prayer was answered,
my prayer was answered today.

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We get a third and short
situation, and we finally bring

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in Quincy Patterson.
We did it one time and one time

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it converted, but we only did it
once and I just don't get it.

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There were some times today
where, you know, third and five

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third and say you know what, if
you're in a position where you

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think you're going to go for it.
Screw it.

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Put them in the washing, you ran
quarterback power and

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quarterback lead on several,
third and 7 and third and sixes

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anyway.
Why not?

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Put the fucking battering ram in
there to do it?

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Yeah.
Those third and sages and third

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and sevens folks.
I wish some of you could see the

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text chain.
When those happen, it's usually

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being brighter.
Like we'll probably going for it

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here, right.
Braun was like, yeah, 55 yard

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field goal.
You just Basically went for

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quarterback lead on Third, and
six or third and seven is like a

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couple times.
It's like we ran it on.

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Plus h we have punished just
like, what are we doing?

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It doesn't make any sense.
That's see that on Third and

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long, I'm saying, oh, the
coordinator is telling me that

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we're going for it on fourth
down.

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Yeah, that's what I thought
that's.

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That is what I read when I see
someone make that That call and

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then consistently not doing that
is mind-boggling.

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You after they ran that they
kicked a long-ass field goal one

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time and then they punted the
second time now.

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Thankfully our punter ended up
backing him up deep, I think

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that was the one that ended up
getting down at the five yard

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line and the defense held got a
three and out.

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But still I mean that's that's a
situation where you can

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potentially get try to get some
points by being aggressive.

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Civ and trying to get the first
down and you call.

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What I consider a passive
third-down call and then don't

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go aggressive on forth.
Like you can't go passive on

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third if you're not going for it
on fourth or if it's as it's

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basically non-logical
play-calling like we are one

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would do that.
Also your guy that has

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consistently been able to pull
that shit off is Khalil.

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Herbert is not on the field in
those situations.

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What happened today was a today
was a inconsistency of the play

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called.
It was the perfect day.

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Where I swear to God, Brian, I
think Justin Fuente was keeping

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a square.
I think the Wednesday was

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calling some of those drives and
I think he 120 130

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Go back and look at that drive
folk.

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If you record it or when it
shows up.

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That doesn't look like a bread
cord, Nielsen Drive.

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There were other drives today
with some of the past Concepts.

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Some of the things that I just
saw the hooker touchdown on a

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sec Network where it's Trey.
Come take Turner tape Robinson,

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excuse me, not Trey Turner.
Comes motions behind then

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essentially gets on the left
side of hinden runs.

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A jet fake.
And essentially Hendon let's run

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go up.
There were times we did that on

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the next round.
We did nothing.

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Of that.
I have.

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No but my conspiracy theory is
Justin.

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Fuente is basically proven his
friend is a terrible play call

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or by calling opposites and
Essentially losing us again.

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Why like, plays like that, I'll
tell you why, because what they

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do is that they give the defense
a different look.

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Even when you're running a play
that you run, 10 or 12 times

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again, right?
It's true.

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So it, I mean, it's essentially
a quarterback power, right?

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But the window dressing, makes
it look different than the jet

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in motion or the fake outside
Zone in the inverted, beer,

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right?
So it looks different but it's

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the same thing that we've been
seeing.

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So Other piece of you're making
people for just a tenth of a

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second, have to wait.
Unless they truly trust their

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renal, it's going to be
quarterback power.

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But if you read it as
quarterback power and he stepped

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and he handed it off and you
stepped inside, run your guard.

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I'm sure you'd love to see
linebacker step inside when it's

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going to be something going
outside because you get to get

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to that second level.
And put them there is doing

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The inside power before.
Don't care.

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You've got to wait, you've got
to wait and let the play

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develop.
Yep.

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Card quarterback power.
Getting eight yards, is a hell

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of a lot better than getting 50
the other way.

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And the other thing I didn't
like about it, we saw in motion.

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And I don't think any time
today, didn't we pass out of it,

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but that's a setup, because if
you run that, and you have hand,

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and take that one step 4, Well,
the linebackers are sucking up,

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so you're going to have nice,
intermediate crossers like Kayla

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Smith called a beauty that
30-yard passed away.

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He called was beautiful.
Yes, across that, that, that

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that 15-yard Crossing route, but
it starts opening things up.

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So, you know, it's the same old
thing today was different

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because there were some drives
that look and is this bad?

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I'm gonna say this Prime.
There were droughts today to

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look professional.
Hey, Pretty much all three of

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our scoring drives where we got
touchdowns looked one way or

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something that you would want to
see there was consistency.

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There was seemed like a sequence
that made sense most of the

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execution was there.
And then, you know, we had a

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handful that just looked like we
were lost and then a handful

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where it felt like the
coordinator crossed the 50 and

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just Again, just forgets what to
do.

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Ya like we're one of those teams
that Because we have some really

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good play designs.
Because we have really good play

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designs.
I'm trying to figure out how

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Oregon state scored.
You see if touchdown pop up in

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like they didn't have the ball.
The last time I saw it really

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good play designs that even when
they aren't perfectly executed

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they get positive.
Yardage the most prominent today

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was that Jet Sweep late in the
game second and ten go through

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my notebook here because when I
saw it wrong it was a really

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good play.
We ran it was second and 10.

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Think we had taken a
intermediate shot, missed it,

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but we run a Jet Sweep short
side.

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The linebackers have to do with
they.

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Do they stay home now.
They eventually flow out.

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They get in five yards,
downfield.

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It was one of those plays where
it was set up to say, we're

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going to be second and five or
second.

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And for the unit, they grew up
in miss it, we're gonna have a

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big game.
That's what irritates me is.

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When, you know, okay, we just
need Day, you need to find the

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play.
That is going to get you in a

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position to convert.
In the next play, we didn't get

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it.
But you saw the setup happen and

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that's what I get more and more
angry about.

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Yeah.
It's like that one was kind of

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on, you know, sometimes you just
either.

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Don't execute and sometimes
defense just plays well, I mean,

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sometimes you got to give it,
give them credit.

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They, they have the right call
to stop what you call, it wasn't

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necessarily a bad call.
But yeah, you know, here you

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are.
But we had some drives that

441
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,500
looked good like that.
We have some drives up, we

442
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,400
scored on then.
We had some drives that just

443
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200
look look, like, we were lost,
man.

444
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:16,200
And that inconsistency is what
is killing this team, man?

445
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:20,100
It's killing us.
But I mean, I think we've kind

446
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,300
of think we sucked all the
marrow out of the offense here,

447
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,500
man.
Let's talk about the defense a

448
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,300
little bit.
Best game they've played all

449
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:31,000
season.
I agree, I agree.

450
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,300
If you had told me or Brawn,
Thursday night, they're going to

451
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,100
get 225.
First of all, think we would

452
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,500
have been like you're out of
your damn shits, you say?

453
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:53,200
I mean, did you see specifically
today that really why it was

454
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,000
their best game?
The front seven played the most

455
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,800
complete game, they played this
entire year including tax

456
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,400
including decks.
I'd say if I'd almost go to the

457
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:10,400
point and say especially Dax
which is something that y'all

458
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,900
know I have not said this year.
Slander weird.

459
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,100
Acts truthers.
Yes, we are next truth.

460
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,300
You know, we've been critical of
the front seven.

461
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:26,700
Yeah.
And the secondary, but, you

462
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,200
know, in particularly we've
hammered, the linebackers pretty

463
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,200
bad this year.
We've hammered the defensive,

464
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,000
tackles pretty bad, and I don't
have a whole lot of slander for

465
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,100
the front seven.
But man, that's six packs today.

466
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,700
He had six sacks.
You held the pretty potent

467
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:45,700
offense to 25 points under 400
Euro.

468
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,900
He gave up one play of over 20
yards, true.

469
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,800
I mean, Deanna Kings rushing
stats today.

470
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Did he give you seen those
pretty much non-existent man?

471
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:08,200
Yeah, 15 yards.
Well, me and Brian are saying,

472
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000
hey, we're glad to be wrong.
Unfortunately, we didn't, if you

473
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,400
told me, we held your king to
under 300 combined yards, out of

474
00:31:15,408 --> 00:31:23,700
told you full of shit.
But we did, we did um you know

475
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:27,400
Dex definitely best game today
after the it did not start out

476
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000
that way that first drive.
Oh my God.

477
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,500
He was he It fits, he went the
wrong way.

478
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:38,600
He was, he blew essentially a
cover just looking where he was

479
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,300
and where Devon Taylor wasn't
one of those passes, he was in

480
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,600
the wrong spot and it was just
like it all.

481
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Here comes the same old axe
again, but then he turned it

482
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,700
around.
He he got off some blocks.

483
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,500
Yeah, he went General blocks.
He did a good job of getting

484
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:02,100
into the flat on several things
and patches that we're going to

485
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:05,700
the Outline like quick out.
One of his best place.

486
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,500
Today was did that, scramble at
the are King?

487
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,700
He use leverage.
He basically did you saw that

488
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,200
play, right?
Yeah, he basically turned.

489
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
And he basically said, you're
either going out of bounds of

490
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,000
your coming back in King, turn
back in and he, you know, he had

491
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
that tear but they've got that
arm.

492
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,500
Its load him into guys were
there.

493
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,200
And when we talk crime has over
the years, educating me on

494
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,700
Leverage, and he's like, that's
what you did.

495
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Oh, you want to turn back
upfield You come on because

496
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,800
people are going to be here real
quick and that's what happened.

497
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,700
Yep.
Exactly man.

498
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,200
And he did a great job.
I'm going to give another

499
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,300
shout-out to Hewitt who had to
war the 25 today.

500
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:52,100
He earned the 25 today and Rob
definitely his best game of the

501
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:56,600
season by large margin or
interior.

502
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200
Yeah it's got a sack today
Kendricks blew up one of those

503
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,900
sack early he absolutely just It
was like pop, pop, neat.

504
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,400
He basically hand fog, got the
guy down right up to the are

505
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,200
King.
Yep.

506
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
And I mean, the defensive ends
played well Justice Reed had a

507
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,300
good game bar.
No had a good game.

508
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,900
I mean, this was a complete
effort.

509
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,100
Rook probably had his best game
of the season, as well.

510
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Brooke look like rough today.
Yeah, getting to the spots

511
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,800
popping.
Not look.

512
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,600
Looking like me.
Finally, he where he was out for

513
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000
covid.
Maybe finally got his football

514
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,800
win back.
The guy we have known the last

515
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,500
three years.
It's true man.

516
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:44,600
I'm going to call out to plays
in the secondary that I would

517
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,200
say.
Would that were the two worst

518
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,800
plays of the day.
We've been positively we put on

519
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,400
the icing here I'm going to put
a big ol loogie right there on

520
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,000
the Apple on the cake.
It's still edible, you know

521
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,300
depending on who Are you might
still eat it?

522
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:10,199
I want to start with the ball
where King just kind of chucked

523
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:17,500
it towards the sideline, Chapman
was playing underneath the route

524
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:23,900
and instead of giving ground and
getting a pic held ground and

525
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,100
then tried to jump and make a
play.

526
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,300
And instead of ended up either
an interception or fourth down,

527
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,400
they get a first down on a third
and long.

528
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:41,500
Yeah, that he looked like he
apparently he just gauge how how

529
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:45,900
much air was going to be on that
ball completely wrong and then

530
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,199
was just in a position where he
could make a play and tried to

531
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,000
jump late.
That's the only thing I could

532
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,699
think of their man but he
definitely misread the the ball

533
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,800
in the air.
The second one, I'm not sure.

534
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,700
Responsibility here.
But it was on the the only big

535
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,600
play of the game.
The Long touchdown, the gave

536
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,400
them the lead based on what I
saw.

537
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,300
It looked like they were almost
in a all-out blitz Cover 3 and

538
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:16,800
they ran that RPO and Taylor
just did not get enough depth.

539
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,100
Now, he was, he could see, he
was, he was five yards in front

540
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:23,500
of where that passed was.
Yeah, I'm I could be wrong on

541
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,500
what the coverage was.
It might have been some sort of

542
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,200
man responsibility across the
board on that Blitz.

543
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,900
But yeah, it looked like he
should have had kind of the

544
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,900
intermediate to deep third.
Since we were bringing the house

545
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,500
and he was just too shallow and
we got to beat them kind of that

546
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,000
that quick post, what it was.
Because it looked like as soon

547
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,500
as as soon as that ball was
snapped, when he hit that third

548
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:53,500
step.
He chucked.

549
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:57,900
It like he immediately saw no
one was in that zone and the way

550
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:59,700
the leverage was.
So again, the way the leverage

551
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:04,500
was set up was, I think my Brian
seem to belong coverage is the

552
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:07,800
way it was set up.
It looks like he was trying to

553
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,800
turn him inside to say I'm going
to turn you inside.

554
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,800
There's going to be a Zone.
You're going to go right into a

555
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,100
Zone with someone.
They're correct it.

556
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,900
Like he had because he was
running with him, but he was

557
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,100
running with him in a, almost a
trail responsibility.

558
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,200
So it seemed like it was, it was
kind of a cover three with

559
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,200
everybody underneath going after
the quarterback and just Taylor

560
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,800
didn't have enough depth, where
when the post crossed out of

561
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800
the, the corners Zone into the
middle, he just wasn't there to

562
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,800
make a play and it almost, you
know, from from other

563
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
perspectives.
And it might have been a manner.

564
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,200
Responsibility.
But the way he got beat kind of

565
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,600
right away.
Didn't look like it looks like

566
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,800
he thought he had helped inside.
Got you.

567
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,200
All right, let's go back.
Let's let's kick the loogie off

568
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,800
those again.
Best of the day jehan's.

569
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Best schematic game, without a
doubt.

570
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:12,100
His best play calling game, the
blood says were unique and you

571
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,100
said something.
And I'll say what you said to me

572
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:19,800
about out what we did today that
if we had done some of these

573
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600
other games, we might not be
formed or right now.

574
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:25,100
Yeah.
I mean, I talked about a little

575
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,200
bit on Thursday to I was I was
saying that this defense

576
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,500
consistently throughout the year
is not been dictating terms to

577
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,100
the offense and it felt like we
finally started doing that

578
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,400
today, whether it was some of
the stunts with the defensive

579
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,600
line or the blitz is that we
were bringing we felt like I

580
00:37:40,607 --> 00:37:43,900
felt like we were actually
saying You're not going to

581
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:45,600
fucking score.
We're going to hit you.

582
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,300
We're going to knock your dick
in the dirt.

583
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,600
It felt like a defense that
again I said it we they haven't

584
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,000
feared us all year and look like
hey you might you might think

585
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,900
twice before doing some things
against this one?

586
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,100
Exactly.
It was the first time I can

587
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,800
really say that.
I mean, you know, I'm not saying

588
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,300
that we're turning a corner on
defense, but I definitely think

589
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:13,000
in terms of effort and again,
dictating terms, this was

590
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,500
definitely the best effort of
the Year by far. 100%.

591
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:23,100
And you know what?
If this is the type of Defense

592
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,800
Justin Hamilton wants to run, I
think can be highly successful

593
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800
in this area of college football
with, you know, there's going to

594
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,900
score points.
I mean, look at the track meet

595
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,000
that broke out today between
wake and UNC.

596
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Yep, makes me feel better about
both of those games, little

597
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:48,600
little bit.
In January where we can just

598
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:54,700
order a drink, we're going to
get a leader of our choice since

599
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:59,300
six feet apart it one of our
houses in the cold get drunk and

600
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:00,700
do it.
There we go.

601
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,500
Yeah, our eyes would well, you
know I mean we'll still do it.

602
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,000
We just might have to pay for
it.

603
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:12,300
Exactly my out there has pouches
please let us know.

604
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:18,700
You know again loss.
Today brings the Hokies to four

605
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:24,900
and four and look after, you
know, essentially starting

606
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,900
forward to going into what we
thought, okay?

607
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,300
After after Liberty to be our
toughest, stretch, we can get.

608
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:39,600
If we get to Miami five and one
we can do some things because

609
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,500
you feel confidence.
But if we're fortunate that way,

610
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,900
and this is sort of our take
y'all, and we're going to just

611
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,700
get into some stuff on the
coaching situation and we kind

612
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:54,100
of mentioned it last week, but
this is, we've crafted their

613
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,200
statement.
It's our opinion that if the

614
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,600
money can be found in its ten
million dollars, so, if you hit

615
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,800
the lottery tonight, in your
Virginia Tech fan, get a stretch

616
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
at If the money can be found,
this is going to be the last

617
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,600
year of the Justin Fuente era.
Now, who stays and who goes on

618
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,500
this staff, let that be up to
the next head guy cuz you know,

619
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:24,400
I think Braun me and you both
feel that there are a few

620
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,400
coaches on this staff that if
the next guy walks in and he

621
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,800
doesn't have like his Ace for
that position.

622
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,400
There's some guys it could be
retained.

623
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:36,700
Yeah.
I mean there's there's probably

624
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,100
a handful Let's start with the
guy that we've been given a

625
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,300
whole lot of love the last
couple weeks.

626
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:45,400
James, tribest hundred percent.
I think he's probably.

627
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
He's probably done.
Consistently the best job on the

628
00:40:48,207 --> 00:40:52,800
staff all year.
He's only - plays have been bad

629
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,400
decisions and execution by the
players, not any calls that he's

630
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,900
made.
I think he's done a really good

631
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:06,100
job of getting his guys prepared
to do the things they need to

632
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:10,600
do, especially when When?
It's crunch time.

633
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,600
Yep.
So yeah, I would definitely

634
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,500
consider retaining him.
I'd also look at a couple guys

635
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:19,900
on the defensive side of the
ball.

636
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:24,300
You guys might laugh at me for
saying that, but just based on

637
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:31,800
their ties to the program, their
ties to Virginia Retaining

638
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,500
Justin Hamilton as a position
coach and Darryl.

639
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,500
Tapp, as a position coach would
probably be a good decision.

640
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,600
I'm with you on all three of
those especially shy best.

641
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,900
I mean, Chavez has been one of
the best of special teams

642
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,800
coordinator has over the last
two decades, but without any

643
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,500
question and depending on who
the higher is, you're probably

644
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:55,600
not going to find someone as
good as him to just handle that

645
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,500
for you.
The tapping ham thing makes

646
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,800
sense.
People even set it.

647
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,900
That ham was, he probably wasn't
quite right for this, some of

648
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,700
you quite right?
Just not quite ready.

649
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,600
I think he's right but I think
he's not seasoned enough to my

650
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,300
ready to take over that degree
of responsibility.

651
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,600
Especially without.
I mean we thought that the

652
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,200
Clay's higher was kind of a slam
dunk in terms of easing him into

653
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,900
the thing and that's turned out
to be a fucking clown show.

654
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,800
No, disrespect to Tracy claeys
in his career.

655
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,900
But I don't think it's been a
good fit for him here.

656
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:35,400
No, not at all.
Let me know missing.

657
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,000
And when we set it, the entire
Team Missing.

658
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:44,400
The.
Note Spring ball summer

659
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600
conditioning stuff, true Camp,
starting to season and Labor

660
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Day.
Not 34 weeks later, you know, I

661
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000
think they can be kept app.
I don't care who the coach and

662
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,300
higher is next.
They have to keep him.

663
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:04,500
They have to because he lives at
he breathes it you know he can

664
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,500
be great.
I won't throw two more names out

665
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:08,900
there for you.
Okay.

666
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,500
You tell me what you think.
You've got your three guys.

667
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:15,500
I like Like those guys, there's
truly to I feel like could be

668
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:17,900
kept but two more names in
interest me.

669
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,500
One is Ryan Smith.
Okay?

670
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:21,900
Right.
Yeah.

671
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,200
He was one of the 30s under 34
24/7 last year and the other

672
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,600
one.
I don't know where you're going

673
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:39,600
with your running back coach.
Usually, one of the easier

674
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,900
positions to fill but more This
connections with junior

675
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,800
colleges.
He looks like he knows how to

676
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
find guys, knows how to do the
portal stuff.

677
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Well, where it's like, you know,
that's an easy higher.

678
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,100
You automatically say, you're
the Juco guy.

679
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:59,800
That's your, that's your
territory.

680
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,500
You're not touching anything
else in recruiting.

681
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,600
Look at the giucose file.
We need.

682
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,600
We think about those two.
I think those two you can make a

683
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,400
case for think.
You could also maybe We make a

684
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,600
case for for Coach Vise with
what he's doing with the

685
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,000
offensive line.
Getting getting trying to find

686
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,300
good fit guys.
Doing good at keeping guys

687
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:27,500
rotational where you've got guys
that can play in different areas

688
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,800
when you need to when a guy goes
down or when a guy's not getting

689
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,200
the job done.
So I like what he's done.

690
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,900
And again, guys, this is all
contingent on who the ultimate

691
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:42,600
big guy higher is and what type
of coordinators they In along

692
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,300
because obviously, you know, if
the guy they hire is a

693
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:52,000
quarterbacks coach or if a the
DC, they hire is a quarterbacks

694
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,100
coach, the chance of of Smitty
hanging around, is slim to none.

695
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:01,600
But, you know, if, if it's not
that case, then you know, I

696
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,300
think that's when you start
looking to some of these guys

697
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:09,400
staying around since we're
talking about retaining and and

698
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:15,600
not let's talk about Who the
next guy should be?

699
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,900
I'm thinking, man, who's your
who's your who's your One A Day

700
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:28,800
is without a doubt.
It's Luke fickle, okay.

701
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600
I mean, what he's done at
Cincinnati in the way he scraped

702
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,100
himself up after kind of getting
thrown into the fire, you know,

703
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,300
with the whole Trussell thing
which is, you know, I think a

704
00:45:41,308 --> 00:45:45,000
decade ago now, but how he
essentially has stepped himself

705
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:53,300
up and it's kind of turned that
program into legitimately Right

706
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,200
now, the best group of five.
Yeah.

707
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:01,500
School probably by a significant
margin.

708
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:07,100
Yeah, it's not no slander on UCF
or anything or, you know, even

709
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:10,100
Josh heupel down there.
He could be on a short list of

710
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,800
eventually, but I think his
mentality, he's a defensive guy.

711
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,400
He plays knows, he played nose
guard, Ohio State back in the

712
00:46:17,408 --> 00:46:21,000
90s.
You know, 33 and 13.

713
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,700
Is a head coach.
He's 33 and 13 is a head coach.

714
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Even with the Ohio State six and
seven year in there.

715
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:34,500
You think, love that year, you
take out that year the guys, 27

716
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:39,900
and six It's impressive, man,
impressive, and that's a foreign

717
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:42,200
aid his first year in
Cincinnati.

718
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,200
He's a younger guy, you know,
he's only 47 years old.

719
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:58,000
Got a long time left to coach,
he's the first call.

720
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,100
Okay.
Do you agree?

721
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,800
What he be your first call he
will be my first call as well.

722
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,900
I think just what he brings to
the table.

723
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,400
His resume combined with the way
he works.

724
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:14,700
Yeah.
And what he's been able to do in

725
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,200
a short period of time there at
Cincinnati, I feel like we've

726
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,500
seen enough Of what he's done
there as well.

727
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,400
So it's not it's not like such a
small sample size where, you

728
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,900
know, you say well maybe that's
this or that's that I think

729
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:33,400
we've seen enough where, you
know, we know that this is all

730
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,700
him getting this thing done.
So yeah it would definitely be

731
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:44,100
my 1A 1B is going to be for me,
Todd Grantham.

732
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,900
Oh man at the hot, that's a hot
button.

733
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:56,900
I mean if you can get a get a
long way from the abrasiveness

734
00:47:56,900 --> 00:48:02,600
that kind of comes with that
name in terms of what's happened

735
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,400
with some other staffs and and
fan bases, I think you can

736
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,600
really It's a me.
It's really a slam-dunk higher

737
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,100
mean you gotta, you know, a
hokie a guy that's coached here.

738
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:20,600
Before I got understands
recruiting in Virginia guy that

739
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,000
how he rubs people aside has
always been good in the living

740
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,200
room with recruits true.
And the fact that potentially if

741
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,700
you make that higher you also
get Tory and graze your

742
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:36,400
defensive coordinator.
That's a big one because I think

743
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,000
he could get toring to come.
Grant them all.

744
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,700
So, he went to Tech also grew up
in Pulaski so literally from the

745
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,500
region Hometown boy, 1 pound
voice intially.

746
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,200
It's another.
So do you want to say?

747
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,600
It's a Frank.
I but I like him as well.

748
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,400
Again the torian things big
because you told you tell half

749
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,500
this fan base torian's coming
back but you got to deal with

750
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,800
Todd half on would say screw it
torian's that good.

751
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:10,500
Yeah it's the whole thing of
He's coached everywhere.

752
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,700
He coached.
Ten years in the NFL, he's been

753
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:19,300
in Big Ten country, he's been in
the SEC now, you know, basically

754
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,500
of the last 10 years, seven of
the last ten years, with

755
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,600
Georgia, Mississippi State, and
now Florida.

756
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:31,600
You talk about the guys who were
on staff.

757
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,300
The one thing you would not have
to worry about with him having

758
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:38,500
that many times played or how
many coached at that.

759
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:39,900
Many places.
Excuse me.

760
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,100
You would find solid hires it,
probably every single position.

761
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,600
There would be somebody, even
though he's abrasive and they

762
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,700
know he can be an a-hole, you
know what?

763
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,500
I know, he'll work hard.
I know who put good things in

764
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,100
place, so I would be opposed to
that.

765
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,100
Now, I think it's one of those
things too.

766
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,200
If you're talking about a Target
demographic, to get fundraising

767
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,900
up.
He's not going to get your mass.

768
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:20,900
Right along with the mass of
people he is in his mid 5654 so

769
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:25,500
he's not he's not late 60s he's
he's at that age a lot of times

770
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,600
guys who work for years and
years to get their first job.

771
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:34,100
He's a potential 10-year higher,
he's a ten year high but it's

772
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:38,900
also when you're talking about a
guy who's that age you kind of

773
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,500
start thinking about.
These are the people who are

774
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,900
there when the stuff was bad and
it went not good.

775
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,400
You hire him maybe some of those
people who are making

776
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,400
significant amounts of money,
all over the country who are

777
00:50:53,408 --> 00:50:56,800
that age.
Instead of donating five

778
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,700
thousand dollars a year, they
donate 20 I like Todd.

779
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,100
Todd play.
When I was there.

780
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:06,700
I remember Todd Todd coach when
I was there.

781
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:11,400
I remember Todd potentially,
helping what you've been saying,

782
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,600
and what we've been saying,
numerous times the higher can be

783
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,500
great if the Investments not
there, it could go sideways.

784
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,100
Yeah, we're going to do Five
Guys.

785
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,900
The third one bronze Grover.
Podium for this guy, like the

786
00:51:27,908 --> 00:51:30,200
guy Brian still on the podium
for him though.

787
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,500
Yeah, I like I like Marcus
Freeman and I only say Marcus

788
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:39,300
Freeman.
I think he's a good look.

789
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:45,400
If you're not able to get Luke
or Todd because Luke potentially

790
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,800
could go to some sort of loose,
Blueblood school, that is trying

791
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,800
to flip the script.
Did you see what just happened?

792
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,000
To Michigan today.
Yeah, yeah.

793
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,800
D, what happened to Penn State
today?

794
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

795
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,300
There's some potential for big
blue blood schools that are on

796
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,800
the Rocks right now to make a
splash higher.

797
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,500
So Loop fickle could be gone
regardless of how bad we want

798
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:13,600
him.
Sure.

799
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:19,800
So if we're looking another guy,
let's look at the defensive

800
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,000
coordinator for those up and
coming.

801
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Bear cats that are you know
climbing the ladder of the top

802
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,300
25.
Also a linebackers coach.

803
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:37,200
Yeah, yeah.
So I like I like him.

804
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,800
I like what he's been able to do
with recruiting in the short

805
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,200
time that he's been with the
Bearcats.

806
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,200
I like that.
He seems like a guy that can

807
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,500
really relate to a lot of the
youth in the areas that we

808
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,600
recruit.
So I think that would be good.

809
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,400
He doesn't have a big history of
recruiting in the state in the

810
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,300
region, but he's done well, when
He's dipped his toes in there.

811
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:09,300
And he's done well across the
board for recruiting when he's

812
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,400
been out there.
So I like it.

813
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,100
You know, it's not a sexy higher
but I think he's a young guy

814
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,800
that can relate with the players
a lot better and bring some

815
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,400
interesting philosophies on
defense that even jams, not even

816
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,900
exploring at this point.
So I think it's a win-win on

817
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:32,500
that front.
All right, the one reason he

818
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,400
wasn't as high for me as he was
for Brian.

819
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,000
Y'all because we play a fight.
Is my worry.

820
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,800
Brian.
And I told Brian, that's my

821
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,700
worry.
If you hire him and you lose

822
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,500
fickle, people are going to be
like you missed your big guy.

823
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:50,800
That's why you had to hire him.
And the way I feel some people

824
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,300
would say is well if you're
going to hire some defensive

825
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:57,000
coordinator from Cincinnati, I'm
not giving you my money.

826
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:01,000
And it's one of those things
where, again, people that follow

827
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,700
it, you see how good
Cincinnati's been, he's 34 years

828
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,500
old.
You talking about relating.

829
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,700
Now, on the other hand hiring,
somebody that young, lot of

830
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,500
young professionals out there
might be like, I love this

831
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,900
higher.
Yeah, I only can give $100 a

832
00:54:16,908 --> 00:54:19,600
year cool, but when there's
10,000 of those stroke and

833
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,400
checks for a hundred dollars a
year that will cope with things

834
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,400
significantly in, you know you
kind of look at it and say with

835
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,000
him is kind of like the fickle
thing at his age right now.

836
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,900
There's only one place.
He probably go too.

837
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,000
That's t.
Five wise and that would be Ohio

838
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,800
State.
Yeah.

839
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,500
Andy his age right now, Vic was
one of Ohio's state guy was that

840
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:54,300
interim job but once he went,
there was defensive coordinator

841
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:56,900
under Urban for a few years went
back to Cincinnati went to

842
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,300
Cincinnati.
He kind of knows coaching his

843
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,200
alma mater as a head coach is
gone.

844
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,800
And for Freeman.
It's still the option out there.

845
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:15,000
Now, I threw brawny, ginormous
curveball here, Because I

846
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,000
mentioned one guy runs like,
yeah, and then I threw this name

847
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,900
out.
Jamie Chadwell for everybody at

848
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:28,000
home.
I'm going to give you a few

849
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,500
seconds to go on.
Your smartphones are put in,

850
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,800
Jamie Chadwell in your search
engine.

851
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,500
Okay.
Jamie Chadwell is the current

852
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:42,600
head coach and offensive
coordinator of Coastal Carolina

853
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,600
in.
Obviously this year, they are

854
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,200
having a great season and he's
actually been a head coach for

855
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,700
well over or just over a decade.
Decade starting in D2.

856
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:58,400
Then moving to the Gulf South
Conference, then moving to the

857
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Big South or at Charleston,
Southern, two years in the

858
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:10,000
playoffs, then came to Coastal.
A couple rough years but finally

859
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,700
got them going in the right
direction.

860
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,500
I like him for a couple reason,
a his age, he's like his early

861
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,600
40s.
Some people will say when T is

862
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,800
2, okay?
That doesn't help us.

863
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,500
But my bigger thing is, where
he's done.

864
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:26,900
His primary coaching is down in
South Carolina.

865
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,400
So for me, I think he's a guy
that probably gets the region,

866
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000
okay?
It's Georgia, he probably gets

867
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,100
North Carolina, he probably gets
Virginia.

868
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:40,100
He played out at East Tennessee
State Probably gets that reason,

869
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,500
probably gets you no more virus
Channel, footprint here.

870
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:51,200
And I just feel that it would
be, it would be one of the this

871
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,700
is the long shot.
Right.

872
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:54,600
Okay.
Yeah.

873
00:56:55,500 --> 00:57:00,100
If you're talking money-wise,
I've been trying to find his

874
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,100
current salary for the last
couple minutes, and it's not

875
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,100
been there.
So let's get efforting,

876
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:14,500
efforting, efforting, efforting
Alright, his current deal.

877
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,100
You're ready for brines
Thanksgiving?

878
00:57:50,200 --> 00:58:06,400
Yeah.
Financially, if you feel like

879
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,000
you have to cut some things,
you're not going to pan out the

880
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,300
Wazoo out of the gate.
So, you know, let me throw a

881
00:58:15,308 --> 00:58:18,600
little caveat on that here.
So I said, Jamie Chadwell

882
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,000
someone, that's kind of
essentially similar in this same

883
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,500
vein here.
There you go.

884
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:43,400
Will he lie?
Only been a head coach since

885
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,500
2016, but his annual salaries
755,000.

886
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:52,200
So that's another one, where two
million will get the job done.

887
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:58,500
And another young guy similar
to, to Freeman that can really

888
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:01,000
relate with These kids I think
and do a good job with the

889
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,000
recruiting.
Albemarle Mater is University of

890
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:13,300
Richmond so understands the area
coaching and Charlotte you know

891
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:16,900
it was a coach at Austin Peay
before he went to UNC Charlotte.

892
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,600
Yeah I don't think it's a slam
dunk.

893
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,400
I don't think it's sexy but I
think similar to Jamie Chad.

894
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Well, it might be a pretty
decent run.

895
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,500
They're not always true man and
the one that I threw out there

896
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,400
to you.
And these guys did not their own

897
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,100
our list, but they didn't go top
five.

898
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:35,700
Because when you consensus
things up, you have to be

899
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:37,000
honest.
I love Billy.

900
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Napier bronze, kind of out on
him.

901
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,000
I don't know why.
You know, what's the best part

902
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,600
of this Brandon agree with that?
I didn't like Healy that much

903
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,600
because I think he's too young
and he's literally having to

904
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:57,300
build a program from the base.
But I like Napier coached at

905
00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:00,500
Clemson knows that region been
down.

906
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,700
Louisiana doing very good down
there but I will give you one

907
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,800
more name.
You ready?

908
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,300
This is the main man.
Throw out.

909
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:11,600
Your old coach.
Bronson.

910
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:16,400
Yeah, I mean I can speak for a
little bit on him man.

911
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,700
When I was at him and Sydney, he
coached d-line one year and

912
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:29,100
tight ends for for one year,
definitely like a player's coach

913
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:35,000
understands the relationships to
give you guys a idea of the type

914
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,800
of Coach you're dealing with.
He's a guy that was enrolled at

915
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,600
In Sydney while he was coaching
and I don't want to play, I want

916
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,200
to coach.
And so as a essentially, a tapir

917
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,400
he was commanding that respect
to players and getting the job

918
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,200
done in a high-level had said
one of the best years for our

919
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,300
tight ends, the years he was
coaching tight ends, we had one

920
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:09,100
that was all owed act that year.
So he knows his shit and he's

921
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,400
had success at pretty much every
stopped.

922
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:17,400
Since then it's good.
It's going to not it's nobody in

923
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,100
the family.
Base is going to say yes, let's

924
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:21,900
hire another Memphis coach after
point.

925
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:25,700
A and after what's going on with
Mike Norvell down at FSU.

926
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,900
But if you just want my opinion
on the guy, I think he'd be a

927
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:36,300
good hire. well, I mean he
coached In Georgia high schools,

928
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,600
he coached Virginia.
So obviously, he's probably got

929
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,900
some inroads here even though it
was 20 years ago.

930
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:46,100
He was an NFL coach, he coached
down at UCF, he was out of there

931
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:49,900
as own estate, he was at Toledo
and then he's been at Memphis

932
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,000
for the last four years under
Norville.

933
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,900
So guy has a ton of experience
in clearly you talk about, I was

934
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:59,400
in school wanting to coach.
And then, makes his way to the

935
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,100
NFL for, you know, better part
of half a decade.

936
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,800
It does say something about him.
All right, Brian, there's a big

937
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,100
elephant in the room, there is
man, and this is, this is one.

938
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,800
If you throw it on the Twitter
timeline, you're going to get

939
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,100
Jesus either either guys that
love it so much that they're

940
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:26,000
it's ridiculous or guys that
will be added lie against it.

941
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:40,000
this isn't Curtis is He grew up
here.

942
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,600
He played here, his dad was a
legend here, he gets the

943
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:49,600
culture.
The other half, he won shit.

944
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,100
What's he done?
He's not even a coordinator

945
01:02:54,100 --> 01:03:00,000
anywhere.
And I think I don't think rain

946
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:07,700
is football X's and O's coach
know, maybe on special teams if

947
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:10,600
we hired him he would pretty
much do what his dad did is that

948
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,900
bhc and Coach special teams.
It's true.

949
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:18,900
But the whole thing is in Brian
since you coached so many people

950
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,000
think that coach has to do one
thing.

951
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,000
You know, they got a, they've
got to have one side of the

952
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,900
ball, the other.
Some of the best coaches aren't

953
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,400
exit.
The no Geniuses at any of it,

954
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,800
right?
But there are little motivators

955
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,200
The Unbelievable organizers.
They're good CEOs.

956
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,700
Yeah.
And in a sense experts at

957
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:44,000
managing The Works, they're not
experts in any any one

958
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,000
discipline.
And with him it's one of those

959
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,600
things.
He's been an assistant head

960
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,100
coach, he was an assistant head
coach with his Dad.

961
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,700
He was a special teams
coordinator for Kirby Smart and

962
01:03:55,700 --> 01:04:01,300
for the last four season three
seasons, he's been an associate

963
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,200
or assistant the assistant head
coach for Lincoln Raleigh in

964
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,300
coaching tight ends.
He's only making four hundred

965
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:10,900
seventy thousand dollars.
I think, I think he would take a

966
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:13,400
HomeTown discount between two
and two and a half million.

967
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,600
If he does that you can go get
million-dollar coordinators.

968
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:23,200
Yeah, I mean let's go ahead and
get this out of the way I feel

969
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:29,800
like unless guys are Hell bent
on certain coordinators.

970
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,700
We need to be paying a million
dollars for our coordinators.

971
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:38,600
True.
Is he in, you know, if we look

972
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,900
at what's going on right now
with with the two coordinators

973
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:46,300
that we have right now we're
kind of getting what we paid

974
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,900
for.
We're getting a guy that has

975
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,600
potential but is very green on
the defensive side and we're

976
01:04:52,600 --> 01:05:00,800
getting a guy that has a pretty
good grasp of scheme but is very

977
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,200
poor at preparing his team to
play.

978
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,500
And getting consistent play on
the field, both in the play

979
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:11,000
calling front and the actual
execution.

980
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,800
Be honest, truth, man.
So you know, talk about all that

981
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,100
and we and now we need to say if
we're going to take a step

982
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:24,500
forward, we need the salaries
for those coordinators to be

983
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,100
competitive with the with the
teams that we want to be

984
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:29,700
consistently.
It's true man.

985
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,800
But the other thing with Shane
and Shane is kind of similar to

986
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:44,800
Similar to Todd, he's changed in
coaching, 20 years and and the

987
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,200
folks who do knock it and say,
well, it's Duncan.

988
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:48,900
Yeah.
Okay.

989
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,200
He coached at Georgia Tech in
2000.

990
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,200
He coached at Tennessee on her.
Former as a ga 2001, 2002 2003,

991
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:59,000
he was at Smith.
Sippy state with Sylvester Croom

992
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,600
04, 05 06.
He was down with the old ball

993
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:08,600
coach.
From 2007 to 2010.

994
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:14,900
He clearly was here with his dad
again with Kirby it, Georgia and

995
01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:17,000
went to Lincoln.
I think.

996
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:21,600
And again, if you if you think
about how his dad hired people

997
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,200
in his dad's personality, and I
know her dad's not all him, You

998
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,300
know, Frank coached almost a
decade before.

999
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:35,400
Well, actually over a decade
before he got here, right?

1000
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:37,600
Yeah.
I just want to do thumb real

1001
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,000
quick.
And again, I like doing this

1002
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:46,400
stuff live because it's kind of
fun, everything everything Frank

1003
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:54,800
woman graduated in 1968. from
1972 to 1987 he coached at

1004
01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:01,000
Maryland, The Citadel Murray
State He was body roll some of

1005
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,200
those years and with Murray
State, he was actually the

1006
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,200
defensive coordinator before he
came.

1007
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,900
You know, you talk about some of
the guys that he pulled in.

1008
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:16,400
He pulled in Wiles was a guy.
He coached Bud was a guy.

1009
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:21,800
He coached, you know, being just
because a guy hasn't went to

1010
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:27,400
coordinator or he's been
coaching 20 years, you know,

1011
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:32,000
look at Indiana right now.
You should enhance doing.

1012
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:43,200
Look at that.
He was a coach from 1992 to 2000

1013
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,100
16 when he became the defensive
coordinator coach got fire, he

1014
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:49,900
took over interim, they hired,
and he's built them up in the

1015
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:54,800
last four years and they beat
Michigan.

1016
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:58,300
And they've been state is when
the day.

1017
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,500
Well, don't just because a guy's
not been what the coordinator or

1018
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:06,500
a coach somewhere else.
Don't let that not.

1019
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:12,800
Yeah, I'm probably not as high
on on Shane as you are or some

1020
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,800
some folks on the timeline have
been, but I'm not opposed to it.

1021
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,500
I think it would be from a, we
talked about the CEO

1022
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,399
perspective.
I think it would be a very good

1023
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:29,700
choice from that front because I
think he does handle those

1024
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:32,300
aspects of the job.
Well, I think you would be good

1025
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:38,700
with donors.
What I don't know is what

1026
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:42,600
concerns me, I guess is more of
the recruiting side of it just

1027
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:48,500
because there were very big ups
and downs for him while he was

1028
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,000
on the staff.
All right, hold on, can I can I

1029
01:08:52,008 --> 01:08:54,300
can tell you what to solve that.
Yep.

1030
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,500
Comes in goes to Dad and you
conference call Lauren Johnson

1031
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,000
and you say Lauren.
We want you on this step history

1032
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,200
or thousand dollars.
You don't think that would solve

1033
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,000
some of his recruiting woes in
certain places in this state

1034
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:16,700
that would help grabbing
probably keeping their assistant

1035
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:20,899
from the 757 might help and you
can keep it keep it moving

1036
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:25,100
potential there.
But I also think you talked

1037
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:30,300
about donors, Shane there so
they can say what they want to

1038
01:09:30,308 --> 01:09:32,300
say.
The people who are going to give

1039
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:36,000
the hundred to two hundred
dollars a year that are casual

1040
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,399
Virginia Tech things and we are
in some of you might be casual

1041
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,300
listening to us and that's fine
because you that's your

1042
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:47,700
priorities and that's all but I
think Shane could touch every

1043
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:51,000
single piece of the base, his
dad to leverage the older donors

1044
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:58,100
himself. to sort of essential
even Grantham up to the RH

1045
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:02,200
folks, you can grab those and
then you see Shane and how he

1046
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,400
acts and you see Shane's full of
energy and you see his

1047
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:09,900
personality And I feel like he
would be one of those Innovative

1048
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:13,500
guys to get the kids graduating
to become members of the hockey

1049
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:16,700
club.
Yeah, so yeah.

1050
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:22,800
So for whatever small role it
was he can also say that he was

1051
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,600
on the 99 team where he was the
Long Snapper, man.

1052
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:36,200
Remember this folks about the
9019 If Shane Beamer was a

1053
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,900
shitty Long Snapper, the miracle
and Morgantown never happens.

1054
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,500
Bingo whatever that's worth.
That's going to count right

1055
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:47,900
there.
It counts.

1056
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,800
Anything else breaking since
we've been on here for it?

1057
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,400
What now we're 20 minutes or so
our 10 minutes, okay?

1058
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:00,700
Last week, I'm not as drunk as
last week.

1059
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,500
The extra 20 minutes here.
We're not, we're not pushing our

1060
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:13,600
40 listening to that show but
I'm not seeing anything

1061
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,800
breaking.
I am watching some Pac-12 after

1062
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:22,700
dark on my end here seeing
Washington, go up 17-7, there's

1063
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:25,400
a couple others.
There's another Mac game on

1064
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,000
which I think, I'm gonna
probably turn in early tonight.

1065
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,300
Master starts at 10:00 tomorrow
and I do want to watch that as

1066
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:34,400
long as I can.
If there's nothing else.

1067
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,400
Breaking Braun, let's wrap it.
Yes, sir.

1068
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:41,900
All right, that takes care of
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1069
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:45,500
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1070
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:50,300
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01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,900
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1075
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,500
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1076
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,100
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1077
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,400
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01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:49,100
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