2025 Hokies Preview Panel: Segment 2

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None.
And we are back with the

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second-half of tonight's panel.
All we got 3 Rocky crazy.

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I got a feeling section Section
1 was a little pain even though

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they got proud in near the end
there, but with these guys here,

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I love them all.
Great to see you all again

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fellas from 2 DPB tale from the
Terradon band.

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He is unaffiliated but he is
everybody's favorite Hokie

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Twitter follower, Grayson
Wimbush.

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Fellas, how are y'all tonight?
Doing good, ready for it?

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Man can't complain, just happy
to be here, you know?

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It's it's Christmas, fellas.
You know, I look forward to this

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podcast every year.
This day is right here is

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special.
I got to I got to say this is a

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fun group.
So stoked.

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Let's get into it.
This is Grace.

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I think you are the elder
statesman here.

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You've been.
You've made all four of these.

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Or I've made a college
experience out of this.

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I'm thrilled.
I shout out to you guys.

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I mean, they'll do incredible
work.

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Dan does incredible work.
Pete and Sam over at 2D do

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incredible work.
I think this this Deus right

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here definitely is a little bit
a little bit more of loose

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cannons than the than the
previous gentleman.

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So absolutely, absolutely
thrilled to be here, guys.

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Little more.
Nothing to lose.

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Let, let let it fly.
See that's.

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Right.
Well, Tally, let's get it

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started, man, because we got a
bunch of stuff to ask these

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guys.
Let's roll.

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Well, you that you good.
Yeah, definitely, man.

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I was trying to get my yeah, I
was trying to get my stuff all

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fixed back like it was supposed
to be.

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Yeah.
So I'll get it started, guys.

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And just going to say.
You know.

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There we go.
We'll get to the state of the

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program in December.
When we get to the state of the

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program in December, which D
lineman will y'all say we'll be

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talking about Rex Shop this
year?

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We're talking interior or all
together.

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Whatever you want, you can be in
JC.

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'S room who who do did the work?
Yeah, you can throw whatever you

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want out I'm.
Going to say the ginger freak

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dog James the junk one.
You got something behind that.

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You got a reason for us.
I mean he.

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Just the I.
Bring the heat, Dan.

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You know, the the energy had him
on the pod really like what he

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had to say, like where his head
was.

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I think him and Ben, not Ben
Brown, he's a pitcher for the

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Cubs.
But the other Ben, the other

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Ginger, yeah, Ben Bell, they're
going to have, I think they're

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going to, you know, I think we
have some guys in the middle.

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They're going to clog it up.
And I think that that that

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Cephus is going to set those two
dudes up to raise hell.

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Grayson, what you got on this
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Dude, I'm going to say I I
really am excited about North

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Dakota State transfer Cody
Huseman.

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Pardon me, did I butcher that?
I'm we're going to learn his

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name.
I'm pull.

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The Curtis, you pull the Curtis,
it's all good.

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It's it's all good.
It's Heisman.

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Heisman, right?
Like like the is it?

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Actually, Heisman is.
That Heisman but not spell the

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same.
Not spell the same, but it's

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pronounced like Heisman, yeah.
Cody Heisman.

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So yeah, but on the on the
defensive line, I'm actually,

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I'd seen just some of some of
the pictures on Instagram.

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He just kind of seems like he he
came to Tech because of JC

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Price, really likes Coach Price.
I think resonates with his game

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a lot and just kind of reminds
me of those those old lunch bell

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defense guys back in the 90s.
He played for Coach Foster's

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defense.
So I'm I'm excited to see that

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that young man play football.
I will pick up what Dan said and

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go with Ben Bell instead of
Dejonkum.

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I probably would have taken
Dejonkum first just because of

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the production he put on the
field at Eastern Michigan.

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I believe it was as a
linebacker, but I think his size

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and speed he will play really
well.

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But I'll go with Ben Bell.
Very productive as a defensive

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lineman a couple years back at
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Had an injury last year but he
put believe it was 10 sacks and

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16 TfL on the field in 13 games
for Texas State.

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Yep, I worry a little bit about
the injuries.

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He had a nagging injury in the
spring.

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He was in a maybe a shoulder
sling or something in the fall.

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But if he's on the field, that
guy will produce.

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JC Price has a tendency to get
the most out of these transfers,

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even in year 1.
Peebles and APR both got drafted

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because of their play at
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And so Ben Bell I think could be
the next guy there.

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There's some other like
interesting names.

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And I, I love what I think it
was what Grayson just said, Like

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Heisman's going to play a lot of
snaps.

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Like he as probably as a backup
because it's it's Gilliam and

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Copeland in the first string.
But what JC Price when he got

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giddy in that one moment in the
post practice thing where he was

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talking about Copeland and how
he could be a dominant player.

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He's high up on my list as well.
Yeah.

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I mean, it was interesting.
So we had we, we had John come

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on couple weeks back and I mean,
talking to him, that's a

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football player that, that,
that's the type of like swag and

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confidence and ability that I
think we, we, we really want

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from that position.
So I'm really excited to see

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what he kind of brings to the
table.

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Curtis, I'll let you kick off
this next one here.

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Can I add to that real quick?
My fault.

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Yeah, yeah, you're not allowed.
You had your damn chance.

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Hey, bro, look, man, you know,
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Well, I want to say the kid grew
up in Northern Virginia, been a

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Tech fan, didn't get an offer,
ended up going the JUCO route,

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Did the JUCO grind.
Ended up at Arizona State.

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Liked it, but realized like,
hey, I need to go somewhere when

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I enter the portal that I can
play.

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Went to Eastern Michigan, he
balled out there and then he

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finally gets a chance to come
home and all his family gets to

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come watch him now that like APR
had a similar path.

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I mean, he went to Florida and
came back.

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But like, I like these Virginia
kids that come back that really

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want to put on for the home
state and it's their last chance

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to make it to the league.
I think that that dude is going

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to go crazy this year.
I like what you just said there,

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Virginia kids coming back home
and and we we've been talking

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about the edge guys and guys we
feel like are going to make like

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ruffle noise.
But for the first time in a long

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time, look at Emmanuel Hitman, 6
foot three, about 310 lbs

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Metolica kid.
South side here, Grayson.

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You know what I'm talking about,
Brian, to think about that like

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being like like that rebuild and
knowing what we've seen from

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saying.
We're losing you just a a little

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bit there.
We don't have you there, bud.

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Can you hear me now?
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
Lean in.

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Microphone trying to adjust to
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The old one was crazy, but with
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and it's like why are we talking
about them wrecking shop?

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Well, if they're keeping the
bars on the back end clean and

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they're able to take double s
where it's junk them and Bell

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coming off where it's like we
still, we have to worry about

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these guys.
That is exactly why I'm excited

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about him maybe more than
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Just sheer size.
All right, let's go to the

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running backroom.
We got a bunch.

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It's not a depth issue.
Let's hope that God that it is

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not a usage issue like last year
because there were usage issues.

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We can get to the Syracuse game
that piss everybody off, but

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let's not do that.
Who's going to have the most

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yard from scrimmage, PB?
You know, if it had been

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yesterday, I would have said
Terry on Stewart, but now I'm

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here and he's in a boot.
Sometimes this boot stuff is

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just literally to protect it
while they're healing and he'll

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be out of it in a day and then
it's fine.

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But bully, as they call him,
Terry on Stewart broke almost as

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many tackles as Ashton Gente.
And two years ago, his broken

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tackles per carry rate was
through the goddamn roof.

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Like this guy is hard to bring
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He had a sensational year for
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And if fully healthy.
And I I think that's what's

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bothering Pry a little bit is
that he has had these Nicks and

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like, you know how some coaches
are like they're harder on the

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guy if he comes in and maybe
gets a twisted ankle and then

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like, he's not what what he
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He wants he's he's grinding on
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Like even in the commentary and
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he said like, yeah, he he needs
to prove a little something and

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iffully healthy.
He would be our lead back.

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But I'll I'll go with him.
I won't steal another guy.

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I will still say Terrian Stewart
will lead us in yardage this

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year.
I'm going Marcellus Hawkins, and

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I know he's D2.
What he played at school and

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their mascot.
What were they?

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The mules.
And what do mules do?

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They fucking work, baby.
And that's what he's gonna do.

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He's gonna pull the plow.
He's gonna he's gonna will us to

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victory and this dude like the
the the look, I don't I tried

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not to really get too much into
the offseason hype and all the

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videos, but that hurdle it moved
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I it I was bricked brother like
straight up like ready.

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Yeah, like let's go.
Marcellus Hawkins.

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I like his energy got a lot to
prove potential further 2 year

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waiver don't know yet.
This year counts the most if

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Terry and Stewart's in a boot
need to get him out of it boot

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scooping boogie.
You could say we got we got a

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big game next week against the
Cox.

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You know it's just time like
let's get it doggy.

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It's time like Marcellus Hawkins
next man up RV one.

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Let's roll, baby.
Dan, if you that bricked up, you

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need to get to that Atlanta
strip club fast, man.

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Magic City, they got great
wings.

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You.
Gotta get your you gotta get

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your mind right.
If you bricked up in Atlanta,

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I'll tell you that right now.
I talked to Dwight Howard.

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Dan's got the George Costanza.
Think it moved.

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Hey, we're not doing this shit
this year where we're asking

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about the prettiest girls on
some college campus talking

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about being bricked up in
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I remember that last year,
Tally.

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I remember that you asked Dan
and I some freaky shit.

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Dan froze.
Man, Dan, it was like, what,

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Arizona State?
Maybe I don't.

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Know.
Jeremiah Kony, gentlemen, new #4

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on offense, excited to see him
play.

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And then also, I mean, it kind
of makes me wonder.

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I mean, there's there's Tyler
Mason as well.

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We see any, any glimmers of Jeff
Everton?

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Don't know, but you know, yeah,
we'll, we'll see.

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He's.
He's cleared.

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I I think it's more of a working
him all all the way back from

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that injury from the offseason
and whether he's going to get

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any burn as a result of the
depth that's out there.

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But I mean, I think, you know,
obviously talent wise, he's

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going to be that guy.
Just will this be, will it be

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his turn this year?
I guess kind of kind of wait and

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see for sure.
Braylon Bennett, Brayden

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Bennett, I should say, deserves
a mention a maybe a guy out of

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the backfield.
He's from coastal, kind of a

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hybrid role.
He could do a little bit of both

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and they like him a lot.
And in terms of like PFF

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ratings, he was a highly rated
guy as well and per touch.

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And so is the is the three
headed monster Bennett, Stewart

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and Hawkins?
Or is it Stewart, Hawkins and

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Coney?
I I don't know but probably

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wants to have three.
Yeah, PJ also should get some

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looks in there, I would think,
judging by what he did before he

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got hurt.
But who knows He.

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Had that great run against Miami
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Yeah.
Phantom Hold.

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Phantom Hold.
Unreal.

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Yeah.
Yeah, unbelievable.

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Very.
Very luck last year behind in

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the running back field, like if
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time that he got hurt, we needed
a back because Toton was banged

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up like he really could have had
like it it could have emerged

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had he not gotten hurt.
I I was disappointed to.

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You mean ran the ball more than
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Dude, I I still can't believe we
didn't give the ball.

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Coney averaged like what, like 7
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and they they didn't give him
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Sorry. 9.6 A carry against
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And he didn't get a single carry
against Clemson, a team that

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can't defend the run.
I I still am not over it.

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I'm not over.
It we're not allegedly,

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allegedly, Coney pulled his
hamming that week during

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practice.
So no, because they put him on.

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The name.
Dan, you go back to that game,

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they put him on the field a few
times.

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If if he had that port of hand
me they wouldn't have did that.

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He.
Said he broke his hand or

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something, something.
You never know, man.

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They had so many injuries and
stuff and they happened.

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I know that they're there, but.
We shouldn't have lost the

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Syracuse.
We shouldn't have lost the

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friggin Syracuse.
Shouldn't have lost the

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Vanderbilt either, but we didn't
keep going.

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Yeah, we keep going.
We keep going.

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Shelton, you're up next.
Man cost these boys a bone.

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See if you can get them to
fight.

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Yeah, let's talk, Let's talk
defensive back.

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So we got a couple rooms here.
First off, cornerbacks, incoming

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transfers, Isaiah Brown, Murray,
commonly referred to as IBM,

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which I think is a pretty cool
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Cale Brown comes in from Hawaii.
And then you got Joseph Reg in

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from Wingate.
Obviously the returners, Dante

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Lovett and Thomas Williams.
So you can throw in Josh Clark

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there at the Richard Freshman.
Now the safety room is

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interesting because you've got
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Obviously he had that kick
return touchdown against against

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Clemson, which is his big
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But he had a few valuable snaps
last season.

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And then you got the four headed
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Christianella, Sherrod Coble,
Tyson Flowers and Isaiah Cash.

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So between the quarterbacks and
safeties, you know, which room

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gives you guys more pause?
Which are you more confident in

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which?
Which are you more kind of

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looking forward to seeing play?
We can start with Pete and kind

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of work work a way out.
I think it's got to be corner

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for more concern just because
the depth at safety is is

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better.
If we had had Josh Clark, we

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know he's he's injured right now
and is probably going to miss

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the entire year, I would feel
differently as a whole.

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I love the DB room, but I think
the concern on the outside is

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behind Dante Lovett.
Like who is that, that number 2

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corner because IBM is a nickel
slash safety and we might do a

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lot of three high safety looks
where IBM could be on the field.

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So I know he's been playing a
little outside, but his

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requirements will probably be at
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So I am concerned about an
outside corner.

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Yeah, I would say I was before
Josh Clark got hurt, I was

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really excited about the
corners.

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I was really excited for what
Josh Clark had the potential to

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bring to the field.
But that's not going to happen

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this year, unfortunately.
So I'm thinking, I definitely

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have a little more concerned
about the cornerback room by

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default.
But I do, I mean, they've had,

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they've said good things about
the progression of JoJo KREM as

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a true freshman knowledge
Herald, Jamar Deloach.

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But Thomas Williams, he's, he's
been here.

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He was here last year.
He has a little experience.

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So I figure I don't know
anything about Caleb Brown.

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I know it came from Hawaii, but
that's all I know.

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And IBM had a lot of good things
said about him from East

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Carolina, right?
Yeah, why is my way of Alabama

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get that shit right then?
Oh my.

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My my fault, bro, my fault he's.
A West Coast kid.

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He he Is he a Deep South kid?
Yeah.

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He we he don't give a piss about
nothing but the Hokies now.

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But what I'm saying is CB2 would
obviously be more of a concern

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just because we don't know.
I mean, we don't know about the

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safety room either, but I know
like they got like 8 of them to

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come in.
So I would think at least two or

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three of them will be
serviceable.

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I got, I like Isaiah Cash's film
a lot.

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He brings the boom.
Sherrod Covell you hope works

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out.
It's another Virginia kid coming

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back.
So like we want that success

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story and we wanted him bad to
begin with before he went to

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Clemson.
So yeah, I would Cornerback

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room, Long story short or short
story long, whichever.

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Pete and Dan, I mean really
covered most of the ground

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there.
I mean for me guys, just so many

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new names this year.
I mean, like as, as we just kind

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of watched the, the, the first
couple of weeks, I'm literally

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going to be sitting there with
the, with the roster up on my

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laptop.
Like who the hell are these guys

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there's?
So many names in that secondary

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that.
Are new, but I'm like there's so

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many new names in the secondary.
I will say, I mean, there's

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plenty of depth in the safety
room.

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We've acknowledged that now ad
nauseam, but all I'll say is I,

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I am such a die hard fan of
Dante Lovett.

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I cannot wait to watch that kid
play.

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He's such a dog.
He wears where's the where's the

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stick proudly.
I mean, we've had a lot of dogs

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wear the number one in the past
and and he's absolutely filling

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those shoes.
So and I'm so glad he stayed.

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I was so worried that at the end
of last year, just kind of based

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on what happened, he was going
to hop in the portal and get the

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hell out of town.
So the fact that he's back back

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in Blacksburg, thrilled about
that.

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To Dan's point, I am excited to
see Koval play.

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He was definitely the one that
got away when he committed to

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New Spring University, and now
he's back in Blacksburg, so

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thrilled about that.
I will say what Dan pointed out

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about the freshman corners is
very important because we've

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seen freshman corners come in
and play immediately at tech

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Brandon face on and Kyle Fuller
in the same year, right, which

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face on was unexpected.
Fuller was very expected as a

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five star, but JoJo Crimp could
find his way on the field sooner

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than later.
They they've been talking about

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him ever since he got here and
knowledge as well.

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So Deloach was the the high
recruit that we got back in the

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boat on signing day.
But those other two guys seem to

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be getting the most like praise
throughout the spring and into

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the fall.
So I think those those freshman

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will factor in.
But Thomas Williams, not only as

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a corner but as a return man, we
saw him do some things last

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year.
Yeah, but and everybody's

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worried about corner, but the I
think what we're going to see or

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what we're probably all looking
for is what are we running?

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Because if we're running 3 high
safety all the time, even a

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nickel, because you can do it if
you got a guy that can cover,

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it's it's less stress on your
depth, right?

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That if we're only constant 3
high safeties, it's like, OK, we

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need only three quarterbacks.
I wish we could ask David this,

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but I think IB Ms. been working
some outside.

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Feel like that's been the
reports he's been working on the

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outside, which would alleviate
some depth.

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And just the way he looks, he
looks like an absolute dog.

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Like he looks like he wants to
go in there and fight people at

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all times.
So, and I know that can be good

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or bad for a corner, but at
least you know he wants to come.

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He's got the confidence of a
corner, he definitely does.

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Yeah, I believe Sifka said that
he is the nickel.

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So when there are nickel
packages, he will be on the

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inside, but there's definitely
room for him to play on the

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outside.
Yeah, he could be more of a kind

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of a rotational player when
they're not running nickel

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packages, but he'll be the
primary when you look at those

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nickel packages.
So it's it's it's going to be

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interesting to see.
I'm just trying to restrained

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from making a very niche IBM
joke here, so I'll let it move

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on here.
But I mean, Brian has shown the

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ability to be.
He'll play a freshman.

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I mean, Brianne Murray was awful
when he played Monsour d'ulane

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who died and went to heaven.
I don't know, He said LSU, but

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like, he will, they will do it
if it goes bad enough on that

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side.
So, yeah, well.

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Again, it's one of the talent.
You've talked about this in the

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past about the corner position
and and you were in, you played

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collard ball.
It's one of those that that can

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flip easy.
Yeah, definitely.

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Corner is one of those, you
know, I ain't going to say easy

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to get on the field, but it's
one of the easier because it's

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it's all about skill set.
You know, it's all about what

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you have.
As long as you got the size to

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kind of be able to bang against
a wide receiver, you know, which

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is not going to be a lineman,
you know, it's all about are

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your hips open enough to dance
with this guy in front of you?

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And a lot of these kids nowadays
are they can come straight out

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of high school and and be ready
to play.

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So not saying that that's going
to happen, but if it does

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happen, corners, one of those
positions that you see it happen

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more often than any other
position.

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So switching gears a little bit
now from talking about defense,

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we're going to talk about
offense a little bit.

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The lead on the offense, which
is Kyron drones at quarterback.

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We've seen glimpses of, you
know, greatness from Kyron, but

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we also seen some, you know,
some some bad spots from him,

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some injuries, things like that.
What do you guys think Kyron

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needs to do this year to I would
say, I guess while some NFL

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scouts just to play his way onto
NFL roster, what does he need to

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show?
What does he need to do?

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He needs to find his swagger
again from like the end of from

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the military bowl two years ago.
You know, I, I, I feel like

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Kyron really started to find his
stride.

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He really found his confidence
two years ago.

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Maybe he was dropping Dimes in
the bucket.

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Looked like a very comfortable
playmaker last year.

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I mean, I know he was dinged up,
but it he, he regressed a little

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bit last year to no real fault
of his own.

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I mean, he had Parker Clemens
blocking for him and sacking him

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periodically.
And you know what, Parker, I,

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I'm sure you're a nice kid.
We wish you well.

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Just, you know, on LinkedIn.
But it's fine.

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So I'm just, I'm just, I'm
saying what everyone thinks, all

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right?
Exactly.

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Exactly.
I'm saying what everyone thinks,

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but yeah, really just find find
his group, find a swagger again.

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If he can come out and put
together a complete game against

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South Carolina and and really
find his his rhythm again, maybe

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the season will go a little bit
different than I think a lot of

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us think it will.
But yeah, that I think that's

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the really the the answer right
there is Fonda Swagger.

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He's got it.
We know he's got it.

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Thanks.
I think the important part for

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him is if he can, because he
went on Adam Brenneman and he

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said that obviously what we all
knew, he was very shy in the

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pocket last year because he was
very nervous about his

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protection.
He didn't have any faith in it.

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So if this offensive line, this
new iteration can give this man

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some confidence building blocks
to begin that South Carolina

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game and he can get into a flow,
I think he's that swagger will

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come back.
I think we're going to need to

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see more accurate balls on a
consistent basis.

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And I think Monty knowing what
his identity is for this offense

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will help him a lot better as
well because he won't be

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00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,200
wondering every week.
Like is the game plan going to

447
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,040
be run the ball 8,000,000 times
or is the game playing going to

448
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040
be to throw the ball 8,000,000
times?

449
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,360
Is the game playing going to be
to flip it to this dude and

450
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,080
throw it to me in the end?
Like we just don't know.

451
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,400
Like it was reinventing the
wheel every week.

452
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,320
Like we just didn't know what
the offense was going to look

453
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,720
like.
So I think a more consistent

454
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,400
vision, better blocking and him
being able to re establish his

455
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,280
confidence and become a little
more accurate with the ball and

456
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,400
put up more numbers will
obviously go like it'll help him

457
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,440
tremendously as far as the NFL
goes.

458
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,320
Yeah, and the Vanderbilt game,
right off the bat, you could

459
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,920
just see there was a discomfort
there.

460
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,080
And I know he got stepped on or
whatever, but like the actual

461
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,720
plays, the actual presence in
the pocket, it looked like he

462
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,160
was overthinking things.
His head didn't seem clear.

463
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,280
And Dan said reinventing the
wheel.

464
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,120
That's a direct quote from Coach
Pry.

465
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,160
Like we won't have to be
reinventing the wheel on offense

466
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,600
every week, which has to be a
direct shot at Tyler Bowen.

467
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,160
And Monty has come in and Kyron
loved the offense right off the

468
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,120
bat.
He should be comfortable.

469
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,280
He should be confident.
And thank God he's healthy

470
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,960
because when he was in a boot at
the end of June and into July,

471
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,680
it's like, what, what's even
going to happen here?

472
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Well, he got out of that boot
and he's hit the ground running.

473
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,800
And from everything we've heard,
he looks good, looks like the

474
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,040
old Chiron again.
So if the protection is better

475
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,280
and his head is clear and maybe
his clear eyes, full heart, you

476
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,600
know what I mean?
That's right, that's right.

477
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,760
No, but I it's the offensive
piece of it with Monty and him

478
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,240
being on the same page in
addition to the online is huge.

479
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,200
Like it's absolutely huge.
And when you bring in two new

480
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
coordinators, you don't know how
it's going to go.

481
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,760
But just hearing how much he
likes the offense and Monty's

482
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,240
history with more mobile
quarterbacks, it has me excited.

483
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,680
Yeah, I think.
Can I do some real quick?

484
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Go ahead, Curtis.
Shelton's always on this.

485
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,000
With Kyron Shelton, you always
talk about his deep ball.

486
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,880
That's the issue, because he's
got intermediate routes, short

487
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,600
routes, he gets them there.
He's got the gun.

488
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,080
If he improves that, I think
that gets him.

489
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480
But Sheldon, do you believe
someone like Philip Montgomery

490
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,880
can fix that?
Because you've been, because

491
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,240
that's been your thing.
You've been like, yes, he's a

492
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,120
beast running.
Yes, he's good at short routes.

493
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,400
But God, Sheldon doesn't say
that because Sheldon's a nice

494
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,720
kid, but GD it.
He can't hit a deep ball.

495
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's hard to say because

496
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,200
I feel like it takes a really
good, really good quarterbacks

497
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,360
coach to kind of, you know,
coach you in a bad in, in the

498
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,600
good habits just because it's
such a, it's such a mental

499
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,480
position and there's so many,
you know, different factors

500
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,960
involved.
Like, you know, if you're seeing

501
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,480
ghosts, the protection's bad,
like Grayson mentioned, you can

502
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,160
really start to kind of get in
your own head.

503
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,160
So I feel like hopefully with
more confidence he'll be better

504
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280
there.
But I feel like for me, like we

505
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,480
saw, you know, last year,
Hokie's bread and butter, the

506
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,240
short passing game kind of got
taken away.

507
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,280
And so Bowen didn't really have
like a, he didn't really have

508
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,960
like an off speed pitch.
Like, you know, we take away the

509
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080
fastball, no off speed pitch.
So Montgomery likes to throw the

510
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,200
ball pretty deep down field.
I'm just curious to see like how

511
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,720
that works with Kyron's game and
if the protection holds up as

512
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,920
well, Because I think I think
there's, you know, it, it could

513
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,200
be kind of a hit or miss type of
thing.

514
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,080
So we'll see.
Yeah, We know we're still going

515
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,400
to see those short routes.
It's just they're not going to

516
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
be as behind the line.
Like you're not going to see

517
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,480
negative plays come from those
short routes like we saw in

518
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Tyler Bowen's offense, where so
much of that short pass the game

519
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760
is predicated off screens and
kind of those quick outs, things

520
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,320
that are at or behind the line
of scrimmage.

521
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,040
You're at least going to see
some positive yards off of this.

522
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,480
But Kyra's going to have to be
more consistent with completing

523
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,160
those routes and he's going to
have to be able to take

524
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,440
advantage down the field to
stretch those defenses out.

525
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,480
And we're going to have to be
consistent in the running game.

526
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,400
But my thing with Kyron, and I
know you, you guys have hit on

527
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,040
it a little bit, is that he
plays differently when he's

528
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,320
confident.
And we saw the swagger come out

529
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840
in that pit game a couple years
ago.

530
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040
And it kind of, you know, other
than Louisville, we didn't

531
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680
really see we, we was pretty
consistent the rest of the year.

532
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
He played with a good degree of
confidence for the rest of the

533
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,720
season.
I think I only two games last

534
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,680
year where he looked really
confident, at least the

535
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,640
confidence that we had saw in
2023.

536
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Stanford.
Stanford.

537
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Miami.
Miami.

538
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Miami, too, yeah.
So we only saw a couple games

539
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,440
where he looked really
comfortable with what he was

540
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,280
doing, with what he was seeing,
with what the expectations were

541
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,160
for him.
Then the game plan.

542
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,360
I think Montgomery's going to be
that kind of that, that even

543
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,640
keel, that stabilizing factor
for him because he talked about

544
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,000
on, you know, the, the, the
interview with Adam, he, he had

545
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,040
been, you know, seeing a sports
therapist and you're trying to

546
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,960
get the, the mentals of injuries
and all the stuff of being, you

547
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440
know, this, this focal point of
the offense.

548
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,280
They're going to be able to come
into his leadership.

549
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,720
I think having that confidence,
confidence in himself and

550
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,920
confidence in the guys around
him is going to pay big

551
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360
dividends this year.
Also not.

552
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Go ahead, Dan I.
Was just saying not to like shit

553
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,840
on Quan Felton, but like I feel
like he gave up on a lot of

554
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,800
those deep balls last year.
Like if you would have just like

555
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
dove for a couple or like
reached out, it might have

556
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,960
improved Kyron's deep ball
percentage.

557
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,520
But I mean, I'm not a wide
receiver coach, or I don't play

558
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320
wide receivers.
I was going to say.

559
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Man in the stands.
Yeah, Dwight makes a great point

560
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,920
there with the too much hype
impact of the offense, you know,

561
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120
expectations, not the same
hunger.

562
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,600
I also think that expectations
things goes on Kyron too because

563
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800
not just because there's higher
expectations, but as these

564
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,280
quarterbacks who are known to be
scramblers as we Kyron got rid

565
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280
of the best scrambler in Athlon
2 years ago.

566
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,600
And when they see that and when
you're trying to get to the NFL,

567
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,760
there is this feeling that you
need to show the world that you

568
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,120
can pass.
And I feel like we came into

569
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000
last season and Bowen came into
last season with the four wide

570
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640
receivers that came back, we're
going to pass the football.

571
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,680
And it's happened year after
year where year one they Joe

572
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Rudolph and those guys, they
said we ran the wrong offense

573
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,320
for six weeks, Year 2 where we
ran the wrong offense for five

574
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040
weeks.
And then last year we did the

575
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440
same damn thing until we were
like, you know what, we should

576
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
probably give Tooten the ball.
And it's that's the kind of shit

577
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,160
I just don't want to see again.
And we should couldn't see again

578
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,760
because Montgomery's been in
this game a long time.

579
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,240
And so you couple that and Kyron
working out with Cam and

580
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Shadour, who are much better
passers than him, and that

581
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,240
pressure was on him, too.
And so it was a bad recipe.

582
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Now the hunger's there.
Maybe NFL is like, yeah, I need

583
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520
to do what I do best if I want
to get a chance to go back

584
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680
there.
And all all the things are now

585
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,880
in place to be like he plays
more free and more confident.

586
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680
Yeah, Tally, you got to say
something.

587
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Yeah, Yeah, it's.
Usually, no.

588
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,640
I was just, I was just listening
to Pete.

589
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,200
And he's right.
It's like you just got to do

590
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,640
what you're good at.
You know what I'm saying?

591
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,120
You can't.
Watching, going back and

592
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,800
watching that that Vanderbilt
game, it's like watching Karen

593
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,440
play.
It was drilled in his head that

594
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
he had to do certain things
instead of just going and being

595
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,160
who he is.
He may not ever be Brett Favre.

596
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,960
You know, I don't know Tom Brady
as far as throwing the ball,

597
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,720
pick somebody.
But he can be Karen, you know

598
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,400
what I'm saying?
What makes him good, he can go

599
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,760
do that.
And I feel like all offseason,

600
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,240
whether it be the expectations
on himself or expectations on

601
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
the other quarterbacks he was
working out with, was he needed

602
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,360
to do these things or he needed
to have this many yards passing

603
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,800
to be considered a good
quarterback.

604
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,920
I, I don't, I don't fully
believe that, you know what I'm

605
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000
saying?
Because I've seen some dog shit

606
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,720
quarterbacks make it to the NFL.
I'm just telling you, like some

607
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,160
of them are still getting paid
now and they never done nothing.

608
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,440
So I'm not saying that he will
or won't make it.

609
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320
I'm just saying to have the best
shot, you just got to go out and

610
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,240
be you as any player, you know,
and the chips will fall what

611
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080
they make.
So I'm just hoping that he just

612
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,920
goes.
And, you know, I ain't saying we

613
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,360
need to run him or we need to
do.

614
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,960
I'm just saying Kyron's been
playing football a long time and

615
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,760
I feel like if he takes the
layups, he'll be fine.

616
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,520
If it's the running lane there
or go ahead.

617
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,480
I'm sorry.
I was just going to say, I mean,

618
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,720
to that point you just made
about Kyron, like it almost felt

619
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000
like he had to do certain things
in the Vanderbilt game.

620
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,760
We were, most of us were there,
right?

621
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,719
We saw that team that day.
When your QB feels that way, the

622
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239
rest of the team feels that way.
It was very palpable.

623
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,679
It's almost like the, I mean,
you can see how almost nervous

624
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:31,040
they were when we were, I firmly
believe the better team talent

625
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,400
wise, but it's it's like we just
couldn't get out of our own way.

626
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000
But it starts with Kyron drones.
It's like he just seemed

627
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600
uncomfortable.
And as a byproduct of that, the

628
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,400
guys around him, you could see
it.

629
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,679
It was it was very apparent.
And so in versus South Carolina,

630
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,480
you can't go out there into that
big ass stadium in front of all

631
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,480
those people and feel like you
got to do something.

632
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400
You got to go be Kyron drones.
That's it.

633
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,400
And we got to go beat Virginia
Tech.

634
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,960
You know what I'm saying?
We can't go beat Alabama.

635
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,560
We can't go be anybody that we
are not is what I felt like we

636
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
thought we were last year.
Coming in with those

637
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:17,720
expectations and people getting
paid plays a big part in the

638
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,320
game.
It's like, let's keep it real.

639
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Like, I love the Lord and I
actually like going to church,

640
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,480
but if I won like $5,000,000, I
don't know that I would go to

641
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120
church Sunday.
I would go back eventually, but

642
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,720
I don't know if I would go
Sunday.

643
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,960
I probably would find some other
stuff to do before I go to

644
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,240
church, you know what I'm
saying?

645
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,800
So bring that into like
football.

646
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,520
A lot of these, a lot of these
players, you know, get nil.

647
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,080
And I ain't saying that they
didn't have no money, but they

648
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,200
get a, you know, they get a good
sum of money and they find other

649
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,000
stuff to do besides working or,
or what their routine is.

650
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,600
And I feel like that's kind of
what happened, or that's what's

651
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,040
happening all over college
football.

652
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,880
You know, you.
You, you, you frame a metaphor

653
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,880
like nobody else.
I'm just saying, man, I try to.

654
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,080
I'm trying to bring this thing
for because I know not everybody

655
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,840
has played sports and I'm not
saying I played so much, but I'm

656
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,800
just saying some people who
watch sports really hadn't

657
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,880
played.
Some of y'all out there want to

658
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520
tell people what to do and you
really ain't played and that's

659
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,680
OK.
So I try to put it in a place

660
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,560
where everybody can relate to
it.

661
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,960
You know what I'm saying?
It's like you probably go to

662
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,160
church and and worship something
so you kind of understand what

663
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,040
I'm saying.
But when you get paid, when you

664
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,160
start getting paid though it,
it's different, man.

665
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,000
And when you watch some of these
players and you're like, that

666
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,480
ain't what happened to him or
that ain't what happened to him.

667
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,600
This person is trying to get
paid.

668
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,320
This person just got paid and it
looks different.

669
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,920
So I feel like we've seen some
of that last year and I'm hoping

670
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,000
that this year all of that stuff
is out the window.

671
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560
And I ain't saying like, I want
to be the underdog.

672
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,400
I I, I just want to be who we
are.

673
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,640
Like if we're ranked fifty,
let's go play.

674
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,280
If we're ranked fifteen, let's
go play.

675
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,760
I feel like last year coming
into that Vanderbilt game, we

676
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480
thought we were going to walk in
there and it was going to be a

677
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120
cakewalk.
And when we realize it wasn't,

678
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,760
it was like, oh, oh, oh shit,
what do we do?

679
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,200
You know, that was the feeling
through the whole game.

680
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,920
So this is going to be a little
bit, this is going to be a

681
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,320
little bit different.
I'm not saying we're going to go

682
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640
in and win because I don't, I
don't know.

683
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,600
I, I definitely don't even want
to get to that right now.

684
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,240
But I feel like South Carolina
has the pressure on them more

685
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,960
than us. 100 percent, 100%,
Sean, I'm going to disagree.

686
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,600
I'm going to.
Disagree with Sean's got up here

687
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,640
because now it is.
What you do in high school is

688
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,960
what's getting you paid in NIL.
It's it used to be high school,

689
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,120
college, then NFL.
But I'm going to make one quick

690
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,520
statement before we pivot to the
next question here.

691
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,320
And that's this.
We know Philip Montgomery

692
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,200
basically had been recruiting
Cowan drones since he was in

693
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
high school, right?
He he was, I think what first

694
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,640
second offer was from Tulsa when
he was like a junior high school

695
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,160
very early.
So he knows who he is as a

696
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,240
person.
He's met him, obviously, and I

697
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,080
think that might go a long way
because for what he was doing at

698
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,720
Tulsa those years, we all saw
it.

699
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680
We saw it in 15 when he was
running it and then subsequent

700
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,320
years later.
Could he be the guy that unlocks

701
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,920
every piece of potential?
Because we're going to run you

702
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,440
some.
We're going to improve short

703
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,160
passes, We're going to improve
the deep ball.

704
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Because I saw you at 16, there
was a reason.

705
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,080
I wanted you to come to my team
to play.

706
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,880
There was a reason and now you
know, many years later, six

707
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,760
years later, the opportunities
arisen.

708
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,200
So we'll see, but let let me
take the next one here.

709
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Let's go to defense, defense,
defense, defense because

710
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
everybody knows that's how you
win championships.

711
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,040
Sam Sekis improves this
defensive metric in 2025.

712
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,960
This y'all think about it and
give y'all a second metrics.

713
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,920
All that stuff up.
If you need to pull things up,

714
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,800
think about it.
If he improves this defensive

715
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,120
metric in 2025, the Hokies can
be a top 25 defense.

716
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Tackling.
Bang, a metric.

717
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,760
My bad.
Yeah, I'll go.

718
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,720
Ahead.
That's the technique.

719
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Yeah, I'll go ahead.
No brainer, no brainer.

720
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,400
The situational football last
two minutes of the game.

721
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,400
If you look at the Hokies record
before the final two minutes of

722
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,520
the game, Brent Pry is a God and
he's on his way to a statue and

723
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,240
he's won ACC Championship
already.

724
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:58,760
Like it's ridiculous.
Like just situational football.

725
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200
You clean it up.
Especially the last two minutes

726
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600
of a game.
In a close game, we are cooking

727
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,280
with far more grease.
Good answer, Dan.

728
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,040
It's a very good answer.
I would say limiting the

729
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,240
explosive plays, whether that's
explosive plays per game, per

730
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,680
drive, whatever it is, but
explosive plays on offense when

731
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200
you when you're the defender is
one of the leading indicators of

732
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,440
like winning games.
If you have more explosive

733
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,560
plays, there's a very good
chance.

734
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,640
I know Shelton's all over this,
but that would be my thing is if

735
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
we can, the situation of
football is huge.

736
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,160
But we saw some big plays in the
vanity game.

737
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,040
We saw big plays in the Syracuse
game, Duke game.

738
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Good Lord.
So those are the kind of things

739
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,560
that Cifkis and his game plan
defense, putting it all

740
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,440
together, you have to limit
explosives and I I, he's kind of

741
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,440
talked about that a little bit.
So that is a key for me.

742
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,240
I I.
Mean, I think measurable

743
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,480
metrics.
I mean you improved the tackles

744
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,400
for loss tally.
I'll add four loss after

745
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
tackling.
Now it works.

746
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,320
That that works.
Tackles for loss, guys, I mean

747
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,040
to to tighten the screw on on
pulse's point.

748
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,480
When did Virginia Tech teams
last year fall apart?

749
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,120
The third quarter, you went into
the locker room, you might have

750
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,200
been up at half.
You're having a great game.

751
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,520
I think about the Boston College
game Thursday night and, and

752
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,680
we're we're kind of laying the
wood.

753
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,000
And then all of a sudden they
start making a run back in the

754
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,840
third quarter.
And, and, and then that goes to

755
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Pete's point, explosive plays.
You're letting these guys score

756
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,280
and catch up.
It's like, dude, you have got to

757
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,800
play.
You have got to play complete

758
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,960
defense in the third quarter.
I mean, you could say that about

759
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,280
the offense, too, but really, I
mean, that's where we fell

760
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,240
apart.
Do you know the number Grayson

761
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,960
last year?
Say you know the number.

762
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Do you know the number?
Number what?

763
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,120
No.
No.

764
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Oh.
In the third quarter, no, I

765
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440
actually don't know.
We gave up 103rd quarter points

766
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,000
last year.
The average is like 6, so that

767
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,160
would be about 75.
We gave up 100.

768
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,560
We gave up almost in 12 games we
roughly gave up what, almost 8

769
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,160
1/2 points 1/4, which is 2 1/2
points higher than all.

770
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,400
So that's the intent you'd.
Want to be a good point, to be a

771
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,240
good team?
You'd like to be a be better

772
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,240
than the average.
You'd like to be behind the

773
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,120
average, Yeah.
Not 20.

774
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,280
Percent worse than the average.
Dan, I went down a rabbit hole

775
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,320
and I'm glad you brought this
up.

776
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600
And this is about the third time
people to listen to us do it.

777
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,240
If 43 points in the last four
minutes of games, we gave up

778
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320
just 43 points, think about
that.

779
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Think about that.
If you just cut that in half,

780
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,920
what's our record last year?
I mean, if you.

781
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,760
Is everybody pissed off right
now?

782
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,760
If you go with the O and five in
one score games, I mean, what if

783
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,320
we're three and two?
You know, what if we're two and

784
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,000
three?
Like the whole season is

785
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,920
different.
You know you.

786
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,800
Beat Vanderbilt, maybe.
Pammy, you beat, I mean. 7

787
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,200
points in the last minute for
them, just so you know.

788
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,960
It's it's Wildman and like, so
to that point, I mean, Dan

789
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640
talked about situational.
You know, you guys have talked

790
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,720
about, you know, moments in the
game.

791
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,520
And I know Sheldon is a isn't a
big fan of this, but like being

792
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,560
able to get off the field on on
3rd down, like we, we were

793
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,240
pretty poor, especially in those
situational moments, especially

794
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,840
in the third quarter.
We could not get our defense off

795
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,680
the field.
Sheldon, did you find it yet?

796
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,800
Yeah, talking about explosive
plays allowed.

797
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,520
I didn't realize how.
Bad it was, but.

798
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,840
We were, we were 100 and we were
123rd in plays of 10 plus yards

799
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,280
allowed, 131, as well as plays
of 20 plus yards allowed 127th.

800
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,720
And you can go pretty much down
the line 30 + 40 + 50 plus all

801
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,000
all bottom 10.
And it was pretty much every

802
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,160
single one.
I Yeah.

803
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Like when we we didn't bend, but
we broke.

804
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,920
I'm.
Guessing, I'm guessing when

805
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,760
Brent Prize first ever
interviewed was that long last

806
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,040
play from Maryland that was Bad
Omen.

807
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,800
And these coaches have to just
go coach and players have to

808
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
play.
They have to like, if you can't

809
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,600
make a play, put somebody else
in.

810
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,080
Again, I keep saying the same
stuff because it seems simple to

811
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
me.
It's like somebody was like,

812
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,840
well, they didn't have nobody
else.

813
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,800
I'm like, they did.
It's like 70 people on the

814
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,320
sideline.
Just put somebody in.

815
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Just put them in.
My counter to that tally is if

816
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,840
you're running the same shitty
defense, putting in a new guide

817
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,400
isn't necessarily going to help
Caleb Woodson in spite of our

818
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,640
defense showed out last year.
I just think like the coaching

819
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,120
as, as Dwight is pointing out,
strength and conditioning

820
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:06,240
coaching has been so poor for
three years that it's it has not

821
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,520
been the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
It has been the X's and O's for

822
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,360
three years.
Billy said this on a show the

823
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,800
other night.
Billy was on the strength and

824
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,960
conditioning thing for a while
too with Dwight and it's we are

825
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,440
we have been unprepared for
three years to go into these

826
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,760
games.
Remember when they decided they

827
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,920
were going to wake up everybody
early before BC and that was

828
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,920
that was the secret sauce.
They they are grasping at straws

829
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,280
to try to figure out how to get
the team ready to play a game

830
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,120
from the gun.
And hopefully by changing four

831
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440
different coaches, we figured it
out this year.

832
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,040
But it it the talent has not
been the problem.

833
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,400
That's why I like I was saying
like my counter is that don't

834
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,720
just put someone else in because
it's still Marv's defense.

835
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,800
It's still not going to be run
correctly.

836
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,440
But this is the thing, this is
this is where where I go Pete on

837
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,640
that a couple of ways.
So when you go on offense and

838
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,120
you watch a offensive lineman
miss 3.

839
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,440
Blocks I'm.
Just saying, you watch a

840
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,200
offensive lineman miss three
blocks out of three plays, just

841
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,880
put somebody else in and see if
they're going to miss 3 or if

842
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,920
they're going to miss two out of
the three, that thing.

843
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,520
And then if you, I don't care if
you got Ed Reed on your defense

844
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,520
and he misses a tackle that you
need at a pivotal part of the

845
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,840
game.
I ain't saying take him out for

846
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,960
the whole game, but you got to
try somebody else just to get to

847
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,960
let them know that you have
somebody else that's on your

848
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,200
behind.
You know what I'm saying?

849
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Like, I feel like the coaching
staff, and that goes back to

850
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,960
coaching.
I feel like the coaches were so

851
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,440
indebted to each other or
indebted to certain players that

852
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,400
they were scared to put somebody
else in.

853
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Well, the.
Coaching on the O line just

854
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,240
continued to make no sense
throughout the.

855
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Year, right?
And it goes back to Vitali.

856
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,480
Your point is perfect.
We are in the age of NIM.

857
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,360
People are getting paid.
I love what you say.

858
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
You suck right now.
Sit your ass down.

859
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Well you're paying me $300,000 a
year and your ass ain't worth

860
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,320
it.
You ain't doing $300,000 worth a

861
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,560
year playing.
Go sit down.

862
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,800
I'm going to take Mr. 50K over
here and if he goes out there

863
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,480
and busts ass, I'm going to give
him your money next year.

864
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,040
And I'll say this.
And now you can do that.

865
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,640
The whole thing is you can do
that now.

866
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Like literally, if someone comes
up to a coach and says, you

867
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,120
know, why did you bench him?
You know, you gave him all that

868
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,520
money.
He sucks.

869
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,080
Is he worth that money?
Well, I guess not.

870
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,640
Do you want his money?
I'd love to have his money then

871
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600
go beat his ass out on the field
and then you get his money.

872
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,840
Sorry.
I.

873
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:40,680
Don't know that.
Go ahead.

874
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Go ahead, Dan, you've.
Been I'm saying it has to be

875
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,040
ability over ego, because if you
embarrass the name on the back

876
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,800
of the jersey, they just got to
live with that.

877
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,800
But if you embarrass the name on
the front of the jersey, your

878
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
ass is getting fired.
So I mean which one you want to

879
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,760
do, you know?
Yeah, and everybody's got to

880
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,400
live with that.
If you embarrass the name on the

881
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
front, everybody on that team
has to deal with the Ram

882
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,920
implications of that.
This is at the end of the day,

883
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,160
you got to, you got to perform.
It's all of that is so true and

884
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,560
guys like this is pre NIL era.
I'm going to throw it back a

885
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,760
little bit.
I don't know if y'all remember.

886
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,560
I mean this is like early
transfer portal days.

887
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,360
Y'all remember Jake Johnson the
linebacker?

888
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,640
Can you say?
Number 36, So I mean, there

889
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,880
were, there was a little while
like he came in, he was a three

890
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,120
star recruit, he was playing a
lot.

891
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,120
And then all of a sudden he kind
of started to let it slip a

892
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,080
little bit.
And Bud Foster replaced him with

893
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Lyndell Gibson, who also, you
know, started to let it slip.

894
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,560
But at first Johnson wasn't
really cutting it the way he

895
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,040
used to.
And Foster said, listen, Jake,

896
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,480
I'm putting Gibson in because
he's getting it done at a higher

897
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,680
level than than you are.
And then we saw Jake Johnson

898
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,480
transfer as a byproduct to that.
But I mean like that's even just

899
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,720
a pre NIL example in Virginia
Tech where I just I think about

900
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,960
where a coach said, hey, listen
dude, like somebody's if you're

901
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,680
not getting it done, I'm putting
in the next guy.

902
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,760
It it's overall in sports, we
all know that that's good

903
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,560
practice, play the best guy.
That's not what that's not.

904
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,200
That was not what I was trying
to say to tell.

905
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,120
The overarching point was I was
saying the schemes were so bad

906
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,240
that it it wouldn't have
necessarily mattered.

907
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,040
Now on the offensive line, it
might have mattered.

908
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,280
And we've seen that with
Montavius Cunningham, who

909
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,400
couldn't get on the field under
the last offensive line coach,

910
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,040
they're now saying could be our
best offensive lineman this

911
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,040
year.
So like it's there was a lot of

912
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,680
issues in the coaching
department.

913
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Last year, well, it's it's wild
that he could get on the field

914
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,280
last year and then turned around
and this year he was probably

915
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,040
the primary reason that a Bob
Schick transfers to Oklahoma

916
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,320
State.
So, so it's it's it's a very

917
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,760
interesting.
Thank God for that.

918
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,480
And yeah, thank God for Matt
Moore.

919
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,720
Absolutely.
Thank God for coaching change.

920
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,200
I mean, all of the coach we had
what?

921
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,240
Who was it that talked about it?
It was.

922
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Me and you, Tally, we talked
about it at some point.

923
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Yeah, but I'm just saying, like
tonight somebody was talking

924
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,160
about just the turnover and
coaching or how bad of an idea

925
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,600
it was to hire a brand new coach
and a brand new coordinator.

926
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Right, Mike McDaniel, that
sounds like something.

927
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,400
We had all of these.
We had all of these, you know,

928
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,960
tweets and pictures about going
on camping trips together

929
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,640
together and going catfish
noodling or something.

930
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,760
I don't care about none of that.
Like, I don't care if y'all are

931
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,480
friends.
I hope y'all hate each other,

932
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,600
but y'all just want to win.
You know what I'm saying?

933
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,000
Like, I want to see coaches that
are going to challenge each

934
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,440
other to be better.
And if it's not working, you

935
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,880
find a way to make it work.
That's what that's what I care

936
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,400
about.
I don't care if you're taking

937
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,360
them on vacation and stuff at
this point.

938
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,160
Like, yeah, it might have been
cool whenever he is, but now you

939
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
got to throw that out.
I just want to see competent

940
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,160
coaching and I don't like, Pete
said.

941
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,760
I don't feel like we've had that
for three years, you know, so.

942
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,320
Yeah, and and tally, to your
point, I think it can go in the

943
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,080
other direction because we saw
how much the wheels completely

944
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,080
fell off at Florida State last
year.

945
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,080
So like the, the, the culture
and the dynamic of the team

946
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,040
chemistry still matters, but
because of NIL, it probably

947
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,720
doesn't carry the same weight
that it carried A decade ago,

948
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,960
right.
So you're, you're going to still

949
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,040
need to, to, to juggle that.
But to your point, I don't, I

950
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,320
don't think that's moving the
needle for yeah, especially

951
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,600
recruiting in the off seas or
anything.

952
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,000
What's moving the needle right
now is can you, do you fit what

953
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,960
I do well?
And are you going to pay me?

954
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,880
It's true, all right, Sheldon's
got a head out here, so he's got

955
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,400
1 he wants to throw to y'all,
and I'm sure this is going to

956
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,840
Sheldon.
Since you got a dip, put who you

957
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,960
think who your guy is before you
dip out.

958
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,320
Yeah, Well, so, so we're talking
defensive players.

959
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,440
We've talked a lot of guys
tonight, IBM, James Jonkum,

960
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,520
we've talked, you know,
safeties.

961
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,760
My question is who do you think
is the most important player on

962
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,280
this 2025 Virginia Tech defence?
And before you give your answer,

963
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,400
I will say I'm going with our
defensive end who I've heard

964
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,760
some good things about during
camp.

965
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,880
That would be Ben Bell, very
highly talented guy out of Texas

966
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,000
State.
I think he's going to be a big

967
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,480
difference maker for this team.
So give me your guys top top

968
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,720
player for this 2025 defence.
Dante Lovett woo Dante Lovett

969
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,680
Caleb like breakout season that
kids going to be a star and and

970
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,120
I I just I'm really curious to
see me how he plays against

971
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,880
South Carolina.
He's going up against Lenora

972
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Sellers.
You know is he able to to hold

973
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,000
his own in coverage against
throws from this guy who's

974
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,560
supposed to be you know, Michael
Vick 2 point O somebody tweeted

975
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,440
that the other day.
I'm I what?

976
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,240
What was it Pete, you said?
I'm also Michael if.

977
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,080
Someone said that.
The worst version.

978
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,200
Could just be putting.
Stuff Lenora Sellers is Michael

979
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,160
Vick with less talent.
It's like, yeah, what are?

980
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,960
We talking, they tried to, they
tried to create a banger and it

981
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,640
just.
It bonged, Pete said.

982
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,440
Wait a SEC, wait a SEC.
I got 1.

983
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,720
You said something, Dan.
Go ahead.

984
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,280
Yeah, Caleb Woodson, big problem
for this defense has been middle

985
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,800
linebacker.
He is now, for all we know,

986
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,520
going to be the middle
linebacker.

987
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Big responsibility, pretty much
the leader of the defense at

988
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,200
that position.
You're going to need to see it

989
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,240
be strong.
He's a stud.

990
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,280
I think Caleb Woodson is the
most important piece to our

991
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,120
defense this year.
I think the probably 3 best

992
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,200
players in the defense might
have already been named by

993
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,720
Shelton, Grayson and Dan.
But Tyson Flowers will be

994
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,320
immensely important this year.
And one of the reasons why is

995
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,680
we've played two true freshman
safeties the last two years, Mos

996
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,280
Phillips and Quinn Reddish and
thrown those guys to the wolves.

997
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,440
And the play hasn't been all
that great from the safety

998
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,960
position due to the injuries to
to Stroman.

999
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,280
So bringing in a veteran like
him who when you hear him talk

1000
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,400
and you saw the interview with
Colby, like that guy's a stud.

1001
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,440
Like he is going to be a
stalwart back there as long as

1002
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,080
he's healthy, He's older, he's a
red shirt junior, he's fourth

1003
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,240
year of college football.
So I am looking forward to him

1004
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,800
quarterbacking that new look,
defensive secondary.

1005
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
And I, I'm excited to see what
Tyson does because I think he's

1006
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,600
going to be a big part of this
defense.

1007
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,640
No, that that's good, Pete.
I was thinking the same thing.

1008
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,080
Just because of how many
deficiencies we've had back

1009
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,040
there.
I'm not going to say best player

1010
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,440
on the defense, but most
important, which is what the

1011
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,760
question asked, I would have
said the same thing you did just

1012
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,080
because if we're playing Q back
there, Q still going to have a

1013
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,400
lot of growing pains, you know,
and you're going to have to pair

1014
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,360
him with somebody who can
overcome some of those growing

1015
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,000
pains with some experience.
Cuz last year if you had Q and

1016
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,040
you had most back there, that's
a youth movement and we know

1017
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,080
most would come up and hit you.
Like no disrespect to the kid,

1018
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,240
he would come up and hit you,
but he would be out of position

1019
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,120
and hit his own player and then
somebody score a touchdown.

1020
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,360
The Duke game was, was really
bad for the safeties, right?

1021
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,840
And this, this could, it could
be a total game changer if you

1022
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,480
have two guys back there knowing
what they're doing.

1023
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,640
Right.
And that's perfect, perfect way

1024
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,720
to put it.
So, I mean, I, I didn't, I don't

1025
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,720
even know that I would have said
flowers his name because I

1026
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,080
didn't.
I don't even know who.

1027
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,560
I haven't paid attention enough
to know who's going to be back

1028
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,960
there.
But that that safety position,

1029
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,720
it's a it's a safety position,
man.

1030
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Yeah.
Really.

1031
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,040
That safety.
Position is is definitely

1032
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,840
important this year.
Yeah, we haven't even flowers.

1033
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,920
I mentioned the Sherrod Koval.
I mean, yeah.

1034
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,760
He's kind of, you know what's
crazy?

1035
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,400
Brian is like, I feel like, I
mean, I mean, Dan mentioned him

1036
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,600
already once tonight.
Cole's kind of been an

1037
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,200
afterthought and not in a
disrespectful way.

1038
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,720
It's like no one's really
talking about him.

1039
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,360
I feel go going into this
season.

1040
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,400
And I mean, he was such a highly
touted recruiter out of Virginia

1041
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,360
going down to Clemson.
And I mean, it was a big deal

1042
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,920
When?
When?

1043
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,600
We did he come in hurt though.
Yeah.

1044
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,400
He's been, he's been nicked.
I don't think he played much

1045
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,560
during the.
Well, he two years ago he was

1046
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,480
playing really well.
He got hurt and then he had to

1047
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,960
come on the field last year
after an ACL and he actually

1048
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,720
played like OK in the in the
time period that he had to play.

1049
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,280
So healing up from that, could
he give us more like I think he

1050
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,480
could.
It's, it's been a tough Rd. for

1051
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,240
him though.
Obviously, like you don't end up

1052
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,200
back here from Clemson unless
some things have maybe gone a

1053
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,920
little haywire.
But between him, Ellis Cash,

1054
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,880
like we, we've kind of alluded
to it like we're going to find

1055
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,720
enough pieces because I think
it's, I think it's Q and it's

1056
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,440
flowers to start.
But there's enough here that you

1057
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,400
really have some nice depth.
Yeah.

1058
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,880
And I know Pete, we talked about
it after the spring game, like

1059
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Ellis probably looked the best
overall in that game, but then I

1060
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,120
know he got nicked up shortly
thereafter.

1061
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,160
And, you know, seems like he's a
little bit behind flowers in

1062
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,240
Reddish at this point.
And I know Reddish didn't get a

1063
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,840
whole lot of burn during the
spring either, but it it's good.

1064
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,360
I think they're going to play a
lot of guys.

1065
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,960
I think you're going to see at
least you know, other names you

1066
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,560
named at least five, maybe even
six of those guys getting pretty

1067
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,280
considerate burned in in the
safety room.

1068
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,360
You.
See that I mean.

1069
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,520
Comment.
And then you got the dark, like

1070
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,760
the dark horse Jordan Bass,
like, we don't know.

1071
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Is he going to red shirt?
Is he going to play any like

1072
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,880
looks pretty good in practice,
but you know, a little

1073
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,480
undersized, a little hurt.
Like we don't like what we don't

1074
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,160
know.
It's going to be a carousel of

1075
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,040
friends we made along the way.
The answer to this question,

1076
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,560
gentlemen, really is who's the
most important player.

1077
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,720
It's it's every single frigging
one of them.

1078
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,440
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, just the

1079
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,600
defensive performance last year
specifically, I mean, just left

1080
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:20,120
us all scratching our heads so
many times and that really we've

1081
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,400
talked about it ad nauseam.
You know, like Dick talked about

1082
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,200
it with you all last week.
I mean, it's it's coaching.

1083
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,640
And just we kind of the moment
we all kind of knew this wasn't

1084
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,760
working out with with coach Marv
again, not no disrespect to him,

1085
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,600
was the Syracuse game and that
that game kind of was a

1086
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,440
epitomized his defenses and, and
the defenses of old.

1087
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,360
And with coach Steve Stevekis,
like we just can't have that.

1088
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,960
Like you have to see a stark
improvement across the board

1089
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,080
defensively.
I I loved it.

1090
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,000
I put it on X the other day.
The fact that coach Xavier DB is

1091
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,240
coaching the inside linebackers.
No, that fires me up.

1092
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,000
Like I I love that he was one of
my favorite Virginia Tech

1093
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,080
football players of all, but
wouldn't have it any other way.

1094
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:15,000
So we all agree, you know,
defense has got to be asked to

1095
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,520
play with poise.
We got to swarm with the

1096
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,320
football.
We got to play with confidence

1097
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,400
and we got to we got to play
mean man.

1098
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,000
That's Bud foster mentality,
lunch panel mentality.

1099
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,760
It's it's everyone's important
now.

1100
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,160
This is, I like what you say,
everyone's important because I

1101
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,960
think with C, because we've
talked about it earlier and I

1102
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,080
think y'all are probably seeing
it too, looking back at Wofford,

1103
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,720
understanding where he's coming
from is I do think you're not

1104
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,160
going to get run-of-the-mill
every week.

1105
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,920
I do think, and you've heard him
talk about like we need to

1106
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,440
occasionally be able to adjust.
This is going to be a power run

1107
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,640
team.
We've got to be able to adjust.

1108
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,600
We can't just Brian, you said
this a long time ago about the

1109
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,200
Fuente Air.
We're just going to do what we

1110
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,920
do Sam Seif just doesn't think
like that.

1111
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,960
You don't do what we do.
You do what's going to stop

1112
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,840
them, because if you do what you
do and what you do is what they

1113
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,560
can absolutely feast on, then
you're going to get killed every

1114
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,360
game.
And I think it goes to a point

1115
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,080
of I think every week, if you
ask me what would be perfect

1116
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,320
every week when we go live,
Pete, you guys jump on, then you

1117
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,160
talk about it, Grayson, you
tweet, you want a new player.

1118
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Well, Grayson, you're more than
welcome to come on with anybody,

1119
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,920
anytime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1120
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,280
I'm with you know what I'm.
Saying here every now and again.

1121
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,200
I'm not.
But what I think, what I would

1122
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,200
love to see is every week it's a
tweeter to talk about.

1123
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,120
That was the guy this week.
Tyson Flowers absolutely was all

1124
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,720
over the field.
Dante Lovett put this guy on

1125
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,080
lock.
They couldn't look his way the

1126
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,680
whole game.
Jacqueline Bell just kept coming

1127
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,120
off the edge.
The tackles had nothing for him.

1128
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Pause.
I pause.

1129
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,120
But you see what I'm saying is I
think because of what Ceekus is,

1130
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,920
and like we talk about his mind
and about like what he likes to

1131
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,680
do, I think that would be the
story.

1132
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,800
It's every week there's a new
hero and every week somebody

1133
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,400
does something great.
And if that's the story, then it

1134
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,040
goes back to what we've been
talking about, what Pete alluded

1135
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,920
to, what Tally's alluded to.
We've had talent.

1136
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,000
We have not had the coaches to
put these gentlemen in positions

1137
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,320
to be successful.
Yeah.

1138
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,200
And Curtis, when I talk about,
you know, that do what we do

1139
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,600
mentality, it kind of goes back
to what Sheldon was talking

1140
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,720
about earlier with not really
having an off speed pitch or not

1141
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,120
really having a counter punch.
When I think if we do, we do,

1142
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,160
that's your punch.
But when you get punched in the

1143
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,840
mouth of yourself, you got to
have a counter punch.

1144
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,000
You got to have something else
that you can bring to the table

1145
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,560
and adjust and take away that
element that they brought to the

1146
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,080
table that maybe you weren't
prepared for or maybe you didn't

1147
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,880
exactly think that you were
going to, that they were going

1148
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,200
to stack up the same way that
they have in this matchup.

1149
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,200
You've got to have something
else in your toolbox that can

1150
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,560
mitigate those problems that
arise in a game.

1151
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,080
You've got to have those
mitigation strategies as they

1152
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,080
come around.
That's about preparation and

1153
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,840
that goes back to coaching.
Is are you talking about when

1154
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,720
Rutgers run the same play 8
times and no 15 yards of play?

1155
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,480
Every time.
The.

1156
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:12,280
Flat.
That's one of.

1157
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,600
Them the flat was so open.
Football is a is, I mean, it is

1158
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,120
a complex sport, but it's really
not as complicated as some

1159
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,280
people make it.
I always talk.

1160
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,440
I'm not a Alabama fan.
By no means we got some crazy

1161
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,240
fans.
They all rednecks and correct.

1162
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,720
I'll just say that anyway.
But Nick Saban is the GOAT.

1163
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,960
Like that is Nick Saban is the
GOAT.

1164
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,920
If you go study how he coached
and things he did, he knew how

1165
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,960
to change his team.
If you go back and look at the

1166
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,480
early Nick Saban Alabama teams,
it was all about a pocket

1167
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,280
quarterback and, you know,
standing back and, and, and

1168
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,200
being in the pocket and, and
relying on the running game.

1169
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,800
And then they had to shift and
they had Blake Sims as a

1170
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,080
quarterback one year and Alabama
fans lost their mind.

1171
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,480
Why do we got a quarterback back
here running around?

1172
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,880
That's not what a quarterback
does.

1173
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,360
Well, Nick knew the game was
changing.

1174
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,760
He had to have a dual threat
quarterback.

1175
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,800
Blake Sims just wasn't the
quarterback that was going to

1176
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,480
take him to the next level.
Then he went out and recruited

1177
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,880
the players that was going to
take him to the next level, like

1178
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,720
Jalen Hurts and to And then he
gets in a national championship

1179
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,920
game and goes, hey, you got to
see, but you ain't getting the

1180
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,200
job done.
And he puts in a cold

1181
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,400
quarterback that's a young
quarterback, and they go beat

1182
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,520
Georgia.
You know, again, I don't think

1183
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,160
Brett Pryor is Nick Saban, but I
think if you're getting paid

1184
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,040
millions of dollars to coach a
sport, you should study those

1185
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,800
people how I study them.
And if they can change players,

1186
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,360
you can.
We haven't go back to what Pete

1187
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,440
said.
We haven't coached them for

1188
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,640
three years.
And I'm not saying it's

1189
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,040
magically going to happen this
year, but I hope it magically

1190
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,360
happens this year.
Well, and that's the craziest

1191
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,960
part is I don't think we've had
the best staff in the world the

1192
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,640
last three years to say the
least, and we were still this

1193
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,000
close to beating a top ten team,
this close to having an 8-9 win

1194
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,280
season with a few.
Things.

1195
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,080
Go the.
Yeah, exactly.

1196
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,320
All six wins, 10 loins are.
Last, Last.

1197
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,000
Year, yeah, I mean.
That Medford's got a friggin

1198
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,600
that improved this season.
It's got what?

1199
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,560
Yeah.
I mean, you're hoping when we

1200
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,040
play South Carolina that it is a
close game and that we win and

1201
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,000
then you can reverse all of this
narrative right off the bat.

1202
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,760
I mean, that would be the dream
scenario.

1203
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,520
But even if Vandy is that it's a
3 point game, which it very well

1204
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,200
could be and it's on the foot of
John Love and we win.

1205
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,200
Like that's the kind of stuff we
need to happen to be like, OK,

1206
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,600
we're, we're moving in the right
direction now.

1207
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,800
Right.
So what are the one close game

1208
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,520
that he's won at this point?
Was what the Liberty game,

1209
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,280
right?
Jesus Christ.

1210
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,600
The Jaylen Holsten Legacy game.
Yeah, jeez, the cover was bare.

1211
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,600
What?
I mean what?

1212
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,360
And that's no disrespect to
Holsten.

1213
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,200
I love you kid, but like man,
damn.

1214
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,040
Dude, we needed some fortunate
things to happen to win that

1215
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,680
game too.
We really did.

1216
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,600
So, so we're kind of on it.
I'm going to, I'm going to

1217
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,360
actually add a little bit to
this and, and, and get some

1218
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,600
perspective because we talked
about at the end of the first

1219
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:28,240
segment a little bit with the
Board of visitors stuff and what

1220
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,280
what Wit's trying to put
together needing 200 million to,

1221
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,720
to feel like you're competing
well in the ACC.

1222
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,560
But I want to do it this time
through the lens of Brent Pry

1223
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,800
and his tenure here.
If WIT can go out there and

1224
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,480
secure 200 million, do we have
the pieces in play where we're

1225
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,080
still calling Brent Pryor the
head coach, the Hokies in three

1226
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,440
years?
I want Dan to go first.

1227
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,840
I'm glad I wit shout out wit man
reminded me of Latrell Sprewell.

1228
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,720
I can't feed my family on 13
million.

1229
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,760
I want to say yes, but I don't
know because you know, if he

1230
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,280
brings in Montgomery, most
qualified at the time of higher

1231
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,600
offensive coordinator Virginia
Tech has ever had.

1232
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,600
And then you go get Sam Seekus.
You bring them in completely out

1233
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,800
of left field.
We had no idea like, like who

1234
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,680
you know, like the Snoop, the
Snoop, whatever the the the

1235
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
famous meme.
But then you bring this dude in

1236
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,360
and then you get to know him and
he's very calm, but he's very

1237
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,360
intense when he speaks and he's
very confident and having half

1238
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,920
the hair, half of it should go
like that thing like that is

1239
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,000
like.
He's like, it's bad.

1240
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,360
He rocks it dude, and he doesn't
care.

1241
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:05,560
And like, he's so psychotically
obsessed with the intricacies of

1242
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,640
what the offense is doing and
making sure his scheme is

1243
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,720
complex, but yet simple enough
that this players don't have to

1244
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,160
think about it.
You know, they just do it, which

1245
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,120
is what this is what they've
said.

1246
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,480
The game still have to be played
and it has to be executed.

1247
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:27,240
But I think with the money we
currently have, we should be

1248
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,440
able to win 8 or 9 a year.
And that's still like should be

1249
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,320
a floor for the ACC, in my
opinion.

1250
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,960
But we come from a different era
of watching Tech, so we got a

1251
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,680
different perception of what
Virginia Tech football should

1252
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,240
be.
Yeah.

1253
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,400
I mean, if you get 200 million a
year, like, you should be top.

1254
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,920
You should be top tier.
ACC.

1255
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,920
Half Perennial playoff team.
Can you recite the the end of

1256
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,640
the question one more time just
to like?

1257
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,920
Yeah.
So like just kind of if, if

1258
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,120
wit's able to get us there, if
and if the pieces that prize

1259
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,720
brought on from a staff
perspective work out, will we

1260
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,040
still see Brent Pry as the head
coach in?

1261
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:09,720
Three.
Well, oh.

1262
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,840
If they if they work out, hell
yeah if.

1263
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,280
They work out, yeah.
But the question is like, will

1264
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,560
we see still see Brent Pry like
because if it works out,

1265
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,800
obviously he'll still be here.
But if we're O and two, he gone

1266
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,560
like that.
Like if we are O and two, it is

1267
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,200
over for Brent Pry, without a
doubt.

1268
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,319
You cannot lose to Rutgers
back-to-back years and then

1269
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,600
Vanderbilt back-to-back years
and still be the freaking head

1270
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,720
coach at Virginia Tech.
You cannot do that.

1271
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:40,439
Amen.
If Brent Pryor goes six and six,

1272
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,200
he's still coaching.
Yeah, I just want to let y'all

1273
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:43,680
know.
Oh yeah, you're correct, because

1274
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,359
Gene at CMG Leasing says not if.
Not if the first two games are

1275
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,279
losses.
If he knew this to South

1276
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:53,760
Carolina and Vanderbilt, but
still win six games, Pete, we're

1277
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,040
going to be talking about this
next year.

1278
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,399
He's still going to be here.
I don't think so but that that's

1279
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:58,560
fine.
We can have a difference of

1280
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,920
opinion on that.
I just think that it will get so

1281
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,600
toxic so fast after Owen 2.
You're going to have a big face.

1282
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,479
It will.
It will.

1283
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:11,040
At least it will equal 2021 post
Fuente.

1284
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,160
We think.
We think Fuente's gone and then

1285
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,479
all of a sudden wit's bringing
it back.

1286
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,319
It'll, it'll reach those levels,
I want you to think.

1287
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,399
And it'll be lame duck.
So what's the fucking point?

1288
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:19,720
But here's what's got to.
Happen.

1289
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,120
That's my.
We said Wit doesn't get fired.

1290
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,319
If Wit doesn't get fired, Wit's
not firing him.

1291
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:30,680
A night game in Lane Stadium
against Vanderbilt and you lose

1292
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,040
after losing to them the
previous year.

1293
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,240
It's over.
It is over.

1294
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,240
Steven, I disagree with that.
I I think the new hires are a

1295
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,000
last ditch effort.
He messes it up this year, he's

1296
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,319
gone.
And I know, I know that wasn't

1297
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,560
the question.
The question is, you know, you

1298
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,120
raise the money.
Is he still the coach?

1299
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:54,080
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
But I mean, if those new hires,

1300
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,320
he was given the chance to fire
the coordinators that weren't

1301
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,240
hacking it or letting them take
it to motion to go to Ohio

1302
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:05,320
State, whatever.
But yeah, it's this is it for

1303
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,880
him.
This is the last season Peach

1304
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,840
right?
You start the season O and two

1305
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,760
it's wraps.
It's.

1306
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,040
Done.
There's so many like questions

1307
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,520
that go along with stuff that I
have that my mind just like

1308
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,400
wanders about does Brett Pratt,
was he the one who made the

1309
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,400
hires?
Like they say he made them, but

1310
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,720
he doesn't make those hires when
he comes in as a coach.

1311
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,640
Like it was other people that
had that was on the board that

1312
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,840
had.
I don't think so.

1313
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,440
I I think that's well.
It's I mean everything comes

1314
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:39,760
from the top down.
Wit, if Wit let if wit let a

1315
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,960
first time head coach hire two
first time coordinators, which

1316
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,840
it seems he did.
Yeah, that's on Wit too.

1317
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,000
But Pride made those hires.
There was connections from Penn

1318
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,080
State with Bowen.
There was connections from

1319
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,720
Vanderbilt with Marv.
Those are his hires.

1320
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,640
The only thing we don't know is
were there other hires that were

1321
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,960
vetoed for one reason or
another?

1322
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,920
We know who was on the Zoom
calls, Brian, when those hires

1323
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,400
were were made.
We know the Eye of Sauron was

1324
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,240
was on there.
And we all know who I'm talking

1325
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,280
about.
We all know who I'm talking

1326
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:11,920
about.
Yeah, I.

1327
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,040
Understand, man, it's a it's a
good old boy network and it's

1328
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:20,400
all about about who somebody
else knows and well, let's not

1329
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,240
interview him because some
people didn't get calls and some

1330
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,160
people did.
So I feel like a lot of times

1331
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,320
these people watch each other's
back.

1332
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,760
Again, I don't want to get into
the conspiracy, but that's why I

1333
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,920
just be thinking like, I never
am, Like, well, he's got to be

1334
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:35,920
gone.
And this is that.

1335
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,080
If if wit's gone, sure, pride's
gone.

1336
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,240
I love, I love the people
getting sub tweeted in these

1337
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,480
conversations.
We had 70 gets sub tweeted

1338
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:45,560
tonight.
We got four.

1339
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,840
We got, we got JB getting sub
tweeted.

1340
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,680
I love it.
Here's my thing.

1341
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:56,120
Here's my thing, I really don't
know what this year's going to

1342
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,760
look like.
Obviously, you said if the

1343
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,000
pieces work out, which was a
caveat to the question.

1344
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,120
Yes, he's still here because
everything else he's masterful

1345
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,320
at.
As far as from APR perspective,

1346
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,840
the shit they sent Jon Gruden
was masterful.

1347
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,000
That was a hell of a box.
Shout out to the marketing team.

1348
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:12,760
Can we afford?
It.

1349
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,280
But what I'm saying is yeah.
Right.

1350
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,520
Here's the question.
You have to pick, I think what

1351
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,360
side of it you're on.
Because if you're on Twitter and

1352
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,600
you're doing all these tweets
like, hey, we're only going to

1353
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,240
win four, If your expectation is
four or five wins and then he

1354
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,280
wins 6, don't call for him to
get fired because he exceeds

1355
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,920
your expectation.
So if your expectation is nine

1356
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,400
wins and he only wins 5, then
yeah.

1357
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,760
But if your expect, if you're on
there like, yeah, we're going to

1358
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,680
win like 3 or 4 games and then
he wins six or seven, you can't

1359
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,400
call for him to be fired because
he exceeds your expectation.

1360
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,280
Damn, that's what they said in
the board of visitors meeting.

1361
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,440
Jean at CMG Leasing, she said
that we're competitive at five

1362
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,440
or six wins.
That's what she's saying.

1363
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,760
She's surprised we're as
competitive as we are.

1364
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,360
Yeah, she's, she's thrilled that
we're competitive.

1365
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,040
It's like 1.
Damn, I thought she.

1366
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,600
She also doesn't understand
what.

1367
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,520
I want to say this with Curtis,
I know, but I want to say this.

1368
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,880
I know you probably got the most
pull on this board right here.

1369
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,880
I need you to start talking to
these people and let them know

1370
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:26,960
Jon Gruden looks like Chucky.
You need to send me that stuff

1371
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,600
because I would put it to better
use than Chucky.

1372
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,600
He's got a whole.
He's got a whole freaking closet

1373
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,320
full of it from 10 different
schools.

1374
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,280
Yeah, he don't care.
He ain't going to use that.

1375
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:39,400
Send that to me and Dan and Pete
and we going to be wearing it in

1376
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,960
the stadium.
I want that baseball helmet.

1377
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:42,920
How can I?
Get that?

1378
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,200
Hey, He.
Told a really good TOTS rail

1379
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,840
story so I'll give him that.
I'll wear that helmet.

1380
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,400
I'll wear that helmet.
I'll wear that helmet the worst

1381
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,600
I'll.
Wear that helmet, Magic City.

1382
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,680
I mean the gloves.
And he got all three helmets.

1383
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,320
The helmet stays on during the
lap dance. 4 total helmets,

1384
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,760
right, including the baseball.
Helmet you're never going to.

1385
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,560
Call out your name again.
Back me up like that.

1386
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,520
Back to what we were talking
about here about the fire.

1387
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,920
First of all, my apologies, Whit
Babcock has to go first.

1388
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,880
That's fine.
Whit Babcock will have to go

1389
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,640
first.
It's it's a messy situation.

1390
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,360
Because I want to ask you all a
question.

1391
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,760
Well, let's fire Pry for this
year.

1392
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,600
You won't to wait.
You won't wait to make a third

1393
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,480
hire.
No.

1394
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,440
No way.
You won't wait to make a third

1395
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,000
hire.
He doesn't.

1396
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,320
Get to.
There's no way.

1397
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,360
So that means you got to fire
Whit by mid-october so you can

1398
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,600
have a new AD, so you can
actually hire a coach.

1399
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,720
That's what makes it all very
challenging, right?

1400
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,520
And when I when I said price
done, I didn't mean like that

1401
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,920
night.
I mean like for all intents and

1402
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,800
purposes it's it's done, but.
You need to wait the next year

1403
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,080
though.
Yeah, it'll be 2020.

1404
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,680
Six, Well, I don't know.
I don't know about that, but

1405
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,360
like, let me, let me back up.
Hold on.

1406
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,880
I don't.
No, no, no, no.

1407
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,480
Hold on.
Stop.

1408
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,760
So you're saying you're willing
to get wit fired in January and

1409
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,560
try to make a February head
coach hire?

1410
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,280
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying if it's if, it's as

1411
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,720
bad.
And this is an if because

1412
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,920
personally, I don't think we're
going Owen 2.

1413
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,080
I want to make that clear.
This is all an if.

1414
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,680
If we are Owen 2 and then it it
spirals into a bad season, You

1415
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,200
cannot wait to make those
changes.

1416
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,880
You cannot wait.
As we love to do by the way, and

1417
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,240
like I Pete, we talked about
this on too deep when you and

1418
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Sam had me on.
We are traditionally we are not

1419
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,960
that school.
We're making mid season changes.

1420
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,920
We're just not that school.
But if that happens, we have to

1421
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,760
be.
You have you have no choice.

1422
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,000
And y'all that BOV meeting what
that told me and this is

1423
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:52,040
disrespect to no one with knows
in one way or another.

1424
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,680
He's not going to be the AD at
Virginia Tech for much longer,

1425
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,440
whether it's by his own doing,
he resigns whatever or he he

1426
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:06,480
knows like I or I get fired
first because it everything he

1427
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:14,480
knows my job rides starting next
weekend again South Carolina and

1428
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:18,720
Mercedes-Benz Stadium.
My job starts, I'm basically on

1429
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,480
a four month.
Imagine the stress sitting in

1430
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:26,480
that stadium if you're like, if
you're with Babcock.

1431
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,080
Like just.
I mean, and, and the stress when

1432
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,360
he's watching us lose to
Vanderbilt.

1433
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,280
Oh my God.
I can't even imagine I wouldn't

1434
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,440
sleep at night.
Hey Joe Rogers gave him a a face

1435
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:41,040
full in in Norfolk when when
that ODU loss happened coming.

1436
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,080
Reportedly.
From him.

1437
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:46,240
That that's, that's the word on
the street.

1438
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,360
Yeah, I was.
I was there for that.

1439
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:49,960
I had a front row ticket to.
That where are you?

1440
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,040
Where are you?
Yeah, OK.

1441
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,640
I saw that happen.
Yeah.

1442
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,960
All right.
Yeah.

1443
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,680
And so like under that, under
that situation that that means

1444
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,720
that you're probably if you go
into and you actually have the

1445
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,080
the stones to make the move,
that means you're probably

1446
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,680
firing wit sometime in October
and you're having to get a new

1447
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,920
AD in place at the latest before
the Commonwealth Cup.

1448
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,440
It's not good.
It's not.

1449
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,920
Good.
Yeah, unfortunately, Georgia

1450
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,400
Tech just hired him.
So his name is Ryan Alpert.

1451
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,640
He would have been great from
Tennessee.

1452
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,520
Give me give me 6 more names
then Dane.

1453
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,160
Let's Yeah.
I don't know but what I'm saying

1454
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,760
is.
He said give me 6 more.

1455
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,480
You can't say, well, the guy
that just got hired.

1456
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,920
I was making.
I was being a.

1457
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,400
Bitch.
Well, listen, we all, we are all

1458
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:46,640
hoping as much as it sucks, as
much as we may not like what WIT

1459
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,000
has done the last couple years,
we are all hoping that we don't

1460
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,480
have.
It doesn't have to come to that.

1461
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,800
Exactly Like we are hoping that
we beat South Carolina, we beat

1462
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Mandy and we're two and O and
we're not even thinking about

1463
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,040
Whip Babcock.
We're thinking about we're a 210

1464
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,800
football team like that and we
just, that's the dream.

1465
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,800
We're.
At this point then, so I mean go

1466
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,240
ahead Dan, I'll let you finish.
As far as the whole situation

1467
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,840
goes, I think it started
honestly, it started with Jim

1468
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,760
Weaver.
It it started to fall behind

1469
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,640
there.
And then WIT just didn't do

1470
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,440
enough with what he can control.
He couldn't control the ACC

1471
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,040
commissioner making the regional
Sports Network deals and that

1472
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,840
falling through.
And then we've fallen massively

1473
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,160
behind and money.
But he didn't do enough to

1474
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:34,240
control what he could control.
And he went, yeah, he went in

1475
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:39,000
front of this board knowing that
he was about to look like shit

1476
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,840
and he was going to have to eat
a lot of shit sandwiches to beg

1477
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,720
for money.
I thought, like, he did a good

1478
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,800
job conveying how bad it is
because when you go in asking

1479
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,200
for money, you're not like, you
know, I need like 30 million.

1480
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,840
But if you don't want to do it,
that's cool.

1481
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,080
Like, it wasn't like you got to
really, like, sell the fact

1482
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,080
that, you know, this shit's dire
straits.

1483
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,120
And I think he did that.
So hopefully they cough it up.

1484
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,840
But, you know, he did pull the
Magic Johnson.

1485
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,920
Like, I don't know, I'm not
going to be here type thing, but

1486
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,240
yeah.
I think the thing that pissed me

1487
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:17,520
off the most was like the the
thing that we, and I say we

1488
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,000
collectively like, and that's
the fan base, but also the

1489
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,880
athletic department needed to be
better at, you know, regardless

1490
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,360
of where we're at overall, like
we shouldn't be in the bottom of

1491
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,960
public institutions in the ACC
for.

1492
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,520
Athletic.
But not with our enrollment, no.

1493
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,040
Not at all, but I think Tim
Sands finally realized, hey, I

1494
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,920
got to do some shit here so.
He knows his days are numbered,

1495
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,240
mixed.
There's get him out of there.

1496
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,960
There's no better motivator than
embarrassment, and that might.

1497
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,200
They all got embarrassed
yesterday and it's it's it's

1498
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,000
kind of crazy because everyone's
had those, whether it's David

1499
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,280
Teal or Andy Bitter putting out
the quotes and then.

1500
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,880
You know, some of those quotes
don't look very good and whether

1501
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,120
they were taken out of context
or not, they don't look very

1502
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,640
good.
And those people of of that ilk

1503
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,840
don't like to be embarrassed.
And they kind of got, they kind

1504
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,000
of got embarrassed and.
They said it cost money to win

1505
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,000
and it cost money to lose.
Well, you know, yeah.

1506
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,040
That that was that was the best,
that was the best point conveyed

1507
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,240
in the whole thing is that if
you're you're going to lose

1508
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,880
money on this thing regardless,
it's better to lose money and

1509
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,920
have a winning product.
And you know, what's funny is

1510
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,600
like the measures that we've
taken over the years to save

1511
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,120
money, meaning playing at ODU,
playing at Marshall, those have

1512
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,200
cost us money on the back end
for sure.

1513
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:47,320
Because when you go to ODU, you
put your head in the lion's

1514
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,480
mouth.
You lose twice.

1515
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,080
You are damaging the brand.
You are killing casual fan

1516
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:54,560
interests.
You are killing merchandise

1517
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,080
sales, ticket sales.
It has cost us more money with

1518
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,760
all the dumb shit that skimping
on Fuente's salary pool.

1519
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,400
I don't even like Justin Fuente
as a coach, but we skimped on

1520
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,920
his salary pool.
We lose to Liberty, we lose to

1521
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,080
all these teams.
It costs US money on the back

1522
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,880
end because then we got to fire
him.

1523
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,320
We're paying his buyout, the
whole 9 yards.

1524
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:16,800
I was pretty dead after that
Marshall game.

1525
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,360
I think the Marshall game wasn't
about money and it was more

1526
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,600
about they came and bailed our
ass out and got us boy eligible

1527
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,040
so we had to go play a game
there.

1528
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,080
I think that's how that went.
But still, it was shitty.

1529
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:27,960
We should have.
Beat their.

1530
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,400
Ass little brother-in-law deal
there.

1531
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,920
Yeah, exactly.
Well, let's, let's go ahead and

1532
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,000
wrap this thing up, guys.
So what we're going to do now

1533
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,720
we, we, we've talked a lot here,
but we, we got to get some

1534
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,920
record predictions of what you
guys think, how you think the

1535
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,360
season's going to wrap up and
maybe even, you know, add a

1536
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,280
little little little blurb there
to to your explanation.

1537
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,400
And Pete, I'll start with you
since you said you don't think

1538
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,680
we're going to fall flat on our
face out the gate.

1539
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,320
I, I don't and we could lose to
South Carolina, without a doubt.

1540
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:58,040
We could lose to Vandy.
But I think we're getting one of

1541
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,680
those games, if not both, We're
we're going to get one.

1542
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,920
And I think the final record
will be 8:00 and 4:00 because

1543
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,920
even if we were to go 2 and O
and we look like world beaters.

1544
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,720
Well, there was a time in life
when we beat Ohio State and then

1545
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,600
lost to ECU the next week.
This is something that Virginia

1546
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,880
Tech does.
We will have stupid losses.

1547
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,480
And so even if we turn it up a
notch and we win some close

1548
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,320
games, eight and four seems like
the record.

1549
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:31,360
I think we're probably three and
one in the non con and then, you

1550
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,080
know, we'll see what happens.
But like 5 and 3, three and one,

1551
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,520
that's eight and four.
That's what I'm going with.

1552
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,520
Dan.
So a couple weeks ago, man, I

1553
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,120
wasn't really like trying to do
this record prediction shit.

1554
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,640
And then, like, recently, the
spirit of college football has

1555
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,600
retaken my soul and I'm juiced.
I'm ready.

1556
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,080
I've been, you know, I watched
it.

1557
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:56,760
Yeah.
I watched the Josh Peyton

1558
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,640
episode of Busting with the
Boys.

1559
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,000
I'm ready.
Like, I watched that SEC stuff

1560
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,760
on Netflix.
And I think it really depends on

1561
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,440
how South Carolina and Vandy go.
I do think we get one of those.

1562
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,360
I'm not going to say we get
both, but it is kind of weird

1563
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,040
how the script is flipped this
year where you have the media

1564
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,040
darling coming in to play the
team with the hot seat coach who

1565
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,560
brought in brand new
coordinators and like 30

1566
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,640
transfers.
And now, now Diego Pavia is also

1567
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,000
the one with expectation.
And I hope we beat that dude's

1568
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,320
ass in Lane Stadium for that.
I don't hate him, I just don't

1569
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:39,040
want him to beat us.
So I'm thinking I teeter between

1570
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,320
if we win one of those.
I'm saying 8 is possible, but

1571
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,280
seven and five seems to be the
first thing that pops in my head

1572
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,080
without a bowl. 7 and five
without a bowl.

1573
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,760
Guys, on January 27th of this
year, after the season was over,

1574
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,600
it's my pin tweet on my on my
profile.

1575
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,720
I said we were going to win five
games in 2025 and guess what?

1576
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,840
I'm I got to stand on that.
I said we're going to win five

1577
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,680
games and I really think that's
the case.

1578
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,920
I I don't know.
I, I don't know, man, after last

1579
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,240
year, you're not going to have
me out here predicting a winning

1580
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,320
record.
This is the show me something

1581
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,440
season.
You want me to give you hype win

1582
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:24,800
a football game.
How about that?

1583
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,960
Like I, I don't, I'm done with
all this semantics and all this.

1584
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,040
So like hunky Dory smoke and
mirror shit.

1585
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:36,240
No, no, show me something.
Make me a fan again like I I I'm

1586
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,320
always going to watch the.
When you back when?

1587
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,080
Racer said You got to earn it,
yeah.

1588
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,680
They they do.
Straight up and you'll all deep

1589
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,120
down, you feel that way a little
bit.

1590
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,840
See, I'm getting fired up, man.
Because now I know college

1591
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,000
football.
Now I know that my Saturdays and

1592
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,120
one Sunday and one Friday are
going to be determined by 18 to

1593
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,440
22 year olds and that isn't that
just a beautiful.

1594
01:24:58,440 --> 01:24:59,720
Thing, it's the only way to
live.

1595
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,840
It's the only.
It's the only way to work

1596
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,360
through fall.
And so.

1597
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,280
Is it fall if you're not pinning
all of your your your well-being

1598
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:11,000
on 18 to 20 college exactly?
I, I said, I said we were going

1599
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,240
to lose the the first two games
in my tweet.

1600
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,680
As the season approaches, I'd
like to think we get one.

1601
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,200
I don't think it's going to be
South Carolina.

1602
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,760
I, I had this thought in the car
driving home from work the other

1603
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,600
day.
I'm like, I have the worst

1604
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:31,600
feeling that that that that loss
or that game will end in a loss

1605
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:36,400
and it will be soul crushing.
Like I could see it being like

1606
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,520
Boise State in 2010.
I don't know, dude.

1607
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,000
I just I have that feeling.
And then after that, we'll go

1608
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,520
and play Vandy probably very
competitively.

1609
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,520
You would hope, right?
But I say five wins.

1610
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,640
Bryson If we go, if we go 2 and
O, you're going to start back

1611
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,760
podcasting.
If we go OO and two will I

1612
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,040
start?
If we go 2 and O, if we beat

1613
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,840
South Carolina and Vandy, you're
going to start back podcasting.

1614
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,640
Never say never.
I I love joining.

1615
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,520
It's been fun just kind of being
impended.

1616
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,760
Going on with Dan is awesome.
Going on with Pete and Sam is

1617
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,520
the best that a bless.
You guys are fantastic.

1618
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,360
I've, but I've also said, I've
also said it's, it's there's a

1619
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:22,000
lot of them y'all and I like to
give you all y'all shine and

1620
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,480
I'll stay behind the keyboard
and be a little shit from there,

1621
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,160
yeah.
Ask for better.

1622
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,440
Well fellas, it has been a
wonderful evening. 247.

1623
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:40,560
I thought we'd be under 2, but
as usual, when we bring six of

1624
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,160
the best content guys in Hokie
Nation together, y'all bring the

1625
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,000
heat, y'all bring the info, you
bring your thoughts, you bring

1626
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,560
your feelings.
And that's why I love it.

1627
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:54,400
But with all that being said,
that does wrap up the panel

1628
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,360
preview episode of the Boundary
Corner podcast.

1629
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,160
Brought to you by Counts Family
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1630
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,360
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1631
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,800
I'm Curtis Wilson.
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1632
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,000
Jonathan Talley.
Shelton already left because he

1633
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,360
had to get to bed.
We appreciate, Danny notes.

1634
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,760
We appreciate Mike McDaniel
hadn't seen Mike text with Mike

1635
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,880
all the time, talk about his
kid, appreciate it.

1636
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,840
David Cunningham, shout out and
text him a few minutes ago.

1637
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,800
Pete, Dan Grayson, you guys are
the best for being here.

1638
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:29,040
We ask everybody visit
boundarycornerbt.com to listen

1639
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,000
to all of our episodes.
Check the banger out last week

1640
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,960
with Dwight too because that was
a three hour marathon and he

1641
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,040
brought the heat.
Follow us everywhere.

1642
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,160
Follow these guys, everybody
that came on here tonight,

1643
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,520
follow them on Twitter, listen
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1644
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,160
writing, read the stuff Mike
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1645
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:52,080
It is good stuff out there.
And as always, our buddy down in

1646
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:56,640
the Roanoke Valley, Mr. Jason
Long, he plays us in, he plays

1647
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,240
us out every week.
Man.

1648
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:03,120
Got back to work this week
teaching kids and next week his

1649
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,640
wife hooked us up with something
very impressive.

1650
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:10,320
So look forward to that episode.
We appreciate y'all all out

1651
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,680
there listening.
And as always, let's go.