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And welcome back to the

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boundary corner podcast

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along with our partners

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Brian Seigla jonathan

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talley and shelton moss I

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blacksburg fellas been a

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while since all four of us

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got together how's

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everybody doing tonight I'm

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a little under the weather

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I've been fighting a little

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uh little scratchy throat a

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little cold but I'm I'm

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rocking and rolling man how

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about you sheldon

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Been doing good, man.

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Busy, busy, busy with work.

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But I really enjoyed the

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Hokies beatdown of UVA last night.

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A historic beatdown, no less.

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So that made the week a lot better.

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We'll talk about that a little bit later.

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Tally,

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now you were – Brian's sick this week.

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You were sick last week,

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would you tell us?

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Last week, man, a little bit sick.

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Got to tell Brian he needs

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to stay out of the whorehouses.

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That's where you get sickness from.

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Stay out of there.

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I'm glad y'all going to talk

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a little hoops because I

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renounced basketball

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altogether for about maybe

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a couple of weeks.

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A couple of weeks.

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You know, Lakers don't do nothing.

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So, hey, it's all-star week.

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They scored 200 points.

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Oh, my God.

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In the all-star game.

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I ain't watching that shit.

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You know,

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the Hokies have been what they have.

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So,

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I'm excited to hear what y'all got to

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say because I ain't watch shit.

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You ain't watch shit?

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Well.

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No, I ain't watch shit.

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Okay, well,

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you're going to find something

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about what happened last

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night in that in a little

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while here when we talk about hoops.

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But we're going to start off the night.

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Me and Brian had the opportunity yesterday,

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and we sat down with the

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offensive coordinator of

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the Virginia Tech Hokies, Tyler Bowen.

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So we're going to start off

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with the interview there.

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And Brian has a good time.

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I think we could have went

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longer because Kyron

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mentioned he's a funny guy.

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There are a couple times he

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pushed that chair back like

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he was ready to go on us.

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Yeah, man, super bright dude, very sharp,

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but you can tell that he's

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ready to roll and has a

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really good personality and

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can definitely be somebody

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you want to have a beer

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with and hang out and just

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pick their brain a little bit.

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Absolutely.

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We'll fire it up here and

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we'll talk about it a

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little bit once it's done here.

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Three Corner Podcast listeners,

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today we have a very

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special guest with us.

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We're introducing Coach Tyler Bowen,

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your offensive coordinator.

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Coach Bowen, how are you today?

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Doing good.

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How about you guys?

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Doing good.

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Thank you for taking the

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time out of your day to join us.

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I know it's busy.

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I know y'all are kind of

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just wrapping up the big

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push with the recruiting for 2025.

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So I appreciate you taking

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the time and joining us tonight.

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That's all good.

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Appreciate you guys pushing the brand,

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supporting Virginia Tech.

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Love the show.

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I'm glad to be on it.

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Appreciate you, Coach.

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And let's start there because, you know,

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right now, I know the big push right now,

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offseason, phase one,

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you got winter workouts,

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hunger drills every Tuesday and Thursday.

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In what ways are you as quarterback, coach,

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and offensive coordinator,

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how are you evaluating

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players' development during

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phase one of the offseason?

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Well, starting out,

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I love this time of the year, right?

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We call it phase one for a reason.

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You can't get to the fourth

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one until you accomplish this one, right?

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So we're all about it.

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We're boots on the ground.

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I love being back on campus

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and off the road and on the

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grass with these guys.

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So that part's been fun.

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But I love this time of the

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year because I think it's a

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time you strip everything

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down to the studs and start over.

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you know it you know nothing

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you can have experiences

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from year to year that you

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can build on and and draw

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on and things like that but

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you're you got to strip it

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back down to the studs and

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build it back up and phase

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one's a great time to do

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that so when we're on the

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field right now from a

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quarterback perspective but

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the whole offense you know

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it's building the entire

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offense back up and

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layering it from 100 level

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up you know we talk about

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it like it's a class right we

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You got to accomplish 100

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level before you can move the 200 level.

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So that's been fun.

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It's also been fun,

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just like you're talking about,

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to be able to see some

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early enrollees get on

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campus and see them on the grass,

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see transfers on the grass,

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and then also see the

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improvements that our

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rosters made from last year to now,

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right?

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What they put in in the month of January,

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that's been fun.

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We're looking at all,

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but I love this time of the

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year because it's really a

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time to really build up

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from the basics and start from there.

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What is that emphasis that

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Coach Pryor has on competition?

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What can you kind of see from that,

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from these winter workouts

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and those hunger drills?

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Yeah, it's awesome, right?

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That's a fundamental for our program.

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You know, it's pretty neat, right?

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Every drill is competitive.

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So when we're running that

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agility circuit or whatever we're doing,

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there's a matchup, right?

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So they all have an

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individual matchup and then

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there's individual group

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and team competitions at the end.

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So, you know,

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putting them in a mindset to compete,

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you know, that's a big piece of it.

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You can,

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it's not just when you hit the grass,

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you've got to have a

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mindset to win at all times.

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And I think we're able to,

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build that in our hunger

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drills and phase one.

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I absolutely love hearing

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you talk about like taking

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it down to the studs every year,

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because you're right.

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Like what happened last year is last year.

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We can't go back.

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We can build upon it,

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but we can't effectively

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had an eighth win at a ninth win.

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We've got to start over again.

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Let me ask you this.

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We talked to coach pry last

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year and he mentioned how

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he's always looking to improve.

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changing when needed.

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So let me ask you this,

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as you head into latter

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stages of phase one,

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getting into spring ball there,

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is there anything from year

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one to year three,

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even this year or last year to this year,

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that you've changed in

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preparing for those 15

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practices and the spring game itself?

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean,

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I think we're trying to evolve every year,

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right?

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I think the

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The only bad plan is one

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that can't change.

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You gotta be willing to adapt,

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be willing to evolve.

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I know as soon as the season ends,

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I start getting the itch.

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You take a couple of days,

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but you start getting the itch of,

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what are best practices?

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So we look at everything to

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try to evolve our offense,

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best practices in college,

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best practices in the NFL.

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And what I mean by that from

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a schematic standpoint,

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who are the top five teams

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on three to six?

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We can make a big step there.

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What are they doing?

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Is there anything common

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with those five teams?

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Is there something that we

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could implement that fits our identity,

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right?

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Same thing, red zone touch, whatever area.

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So we've been going through that process.

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That'll continue to go on.

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We look at that.

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Every level of college, also the NFL,

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we're just looking for little nuances,

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best practices,

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just looking to evolve the

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scheme every year.

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I think this is a time of

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the year where obviously

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professional development, calling people,

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getting ideas, I think things like that,

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going to visit people,

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we're starting with that.

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But then also,

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you mentioned that you're

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looking every year,

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how can we evolve and adapt

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maybe how we installed last

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year compared to how we

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wanna install this year, right?

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What are strengths of our

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personnel that we can kind of foresee?

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What do we want to build around?

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So we're constantly looking

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at that and how we can change,

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how we can make it a better

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learning process for the players,

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a better install schedule.

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So we're doing all of those

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things right now before we

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roll into spring ball.

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And we actually started

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implementing some of those in phase one.

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Very nice.

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That's awesome to hear,

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and it's awesome to hear

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that it's always a continually evolution.

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There's always that room for improvement,

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room for growth, right?

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We're going to pivot a

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little bit here to talk

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about something else.

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A lot of the transfer portal

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capital was spent on the

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defensive side of the ball

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this turnaround,

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but there was a huge ad on

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the offensive side with

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Montavious Cunningham on

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the offensive line.

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What impressed you the most about him,

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and are you looking for him

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to kind of slide in at that tackle spot,

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or is he going to move inside to guard,

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you think?

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Well,

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I think going back to what attracted

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us to him,

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just from a film standpoint and

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a measurable standpoint, right?

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He's a guy that's got a ton of experience,

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started this past year in tackles,

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got some guard experience as well.

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And then he's got length, size,

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and athleticism.

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And that's what we're

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constantly trying to

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improve up front and really

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at every position, right?

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We wanna have the biggest, longest,

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most athletic team we can

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put on the field.

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And that applies in a lot of positions,

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but especially at the offensive line.

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That helps you just from the get-go.

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So I think that.

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But then getting him on campus,

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him and his family,

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like the type of fit he was going to be,

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the type of aptitude he had,

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the type of motivation he

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had to come to a place like

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Virginia Tech and compete to earn a job.

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You know, as far as position right now,

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I think our job,

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and I'm going to kind of

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pivot to offensive line in general,

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you know,

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we've got to be in a mindset of

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making sure we put our best

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five on the field, right?

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That's got to be the

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starting point to create

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that starting O line.

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And really, as much as we look about,

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you know, we look at it as, okay,

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this guy's the left tackle,

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this guy's the right tackle, left guard,

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right guard, center, so on and so forth,

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it's really being able to

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get a rank number of one through 10,

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one through 15.

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Where do these guys fit?

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you know, as far as their playing ability,

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right?

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That's what we're constantly

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trying to evaluate now, phase one,

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going into phase two, all those things.

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So I think the biggest thing

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with Montavious,

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there's some position flexibility there.

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You know,

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he'll be able to come in and

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compete on the interior.

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He's got some tackle flex to move out.

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But I think he provides a piece in there.

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You can get in there and

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battle to be in that top five.

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Yeah,

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you guys really have preached that

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since day one, it felt like here.

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It's like get your best five

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on the field when it comes

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to the offensive line.

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And y'all have not shied

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away from that at all in

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the last three years.

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So I love to hear that as a continuing,

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this is what we're going to do.

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We're not trying to go all over the place.

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Best five, we'll play them.

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I'm going to ask you to piggyback on that.

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I think, you know,

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that goes in the way Coach

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Crook coached those guys.

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I mean,

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I think we do a really nice job

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from starting with him, you know,

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and cross training those guys.

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You know,

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you got to start a young player

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in a position to get them

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comfortable with the scheme, right?

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Like, hey, this is the play call.

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I'm moving in this direction.

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This is my technique.

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But the techniques really

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carry over across the board.

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I'm either a covered player

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or uncovered player on most plays, right?

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So those techniques start to go.

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Then you figure out, okay,

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who's got the athleticism?

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Who can we get out in space?

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Things like that.

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So they're developing all those skills.

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You got to start them.

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you know, from a one position spot.

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And then I think Coach Crook

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does a really nice job of

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moving those guys around.

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Yeah, I like that.

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And, you know, when we talk about that,

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like,

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position flexibility is so important.

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And I love that Crook has

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been preaching that has

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done a good job with that cross training.

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That's really important to hear.

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Let's talk a little bit of scheme, though.

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So, you know, you began last season,

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you had Grant Wells

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starting at quarterback, but by week two,

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you had a different young

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man under center.

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What was your philosophy

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during that change?

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And in what ways did Kyron's

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skill set create new

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opportunities for the offense?

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Yeah, I think the first thing, right,

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is Kyron, you know,

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true triple threat guy, right?

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He can do it with his legs.

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He can do it with his arm.

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He's got a ton of aptitude.

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What we were able to put on

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him from a scheme

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standpoint and the checks

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he can make at the line, things like that,

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that was neat to watch him

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grow into that role on the offense.

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So I think all of those things lead to it.

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But when you really think

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about the turning point is

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getting the run game going, right?

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Any successful offense,

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you want to be able to win

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the rushing battle.

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And I think with his skill set back there,

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You're able to build on it, right?

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You're never outnumbered in the box,

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right?

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Now you get extra hat in the box.

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It's not always the answer

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to have to throw against outnumbered,

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right?

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Now you've got the

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opportunity to truly read a

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player and put a guy in

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conflict and him be a real

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threat with his legs.

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So I think that opened up a

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lot of things and then

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continue as the season went

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to be able to build on play

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action concepts around that

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to create some explosive passes,

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move guys around,

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get them in different spots

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where the defense can't key on them.

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But I think it all started

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with him opening that up

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with his running ability.

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Absolutely.

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I want to ask about that

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because you sit here and

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you talk about the run game,

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getting it going to play action.

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One play that takes me back

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last year was against Wake Forest.

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Y'all ran the RPO and that

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safety just he just said, oh,

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we're running the ball.

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And the next thing you know,

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you had Jay Lane on a

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little post when you guys

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are just looking, you know,

0:14:25.653 --> 0:14:26.533
breaking down the tape.

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Are y'all looking for

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tendencies like that?

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Like this guy, when he sees an RPO,

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he will come to the line

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quickly to he is as a player.

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Yeah, I think when you talk about,

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and that is,

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I think a lot gets made about RPO.

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So we got all types of

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categories for those.

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So a lot of what we do, we do some TTO,

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those are triple throw options.

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They're really in the triple option realm,

0:14:47.652 --> 0:14:47.851
right?

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We got RPOs, which, hey,

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we wanna run the ball first,

0:14:50.893 --> 0:14:52.433
pass it if we get outnumbered, right?

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And then you've got a PRO

0:14:54.274 --> 0:14:55.114
world where you wanna,

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we're throwing the ball,

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unless they cover it up.

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Now we've got run numbers back in the box.

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We categorize all those things,

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but certainly like in an RPO world,

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we're constantly looking,

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how do they want to support

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that formation from a run standpoint,

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right?

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And a lot goes into that, right?

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Defensive call predicates that,

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back alignment, different things,

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formationally,

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how they want to support the run.

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So that's something we're

0:15:20.751 --> 0:15:21.951
looking for every week, right?

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There's two ways to look at it, right?

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We could read a guy to run

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or we could read a guy to throw.

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That was a situation they

0:15:28.274 --> 0:15:30.014
were supporting hard to our running back.

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We kind of noticed that.

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We got that tag up in the game,

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and Kyron was able to go

0:15:34.855 --> 0:15:35.775
take advantage of it,

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did a really nice job reading the play.

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100%.

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I want to talk another,

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keep the subject here with

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Kyra for a minute,

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because we had him on just

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a couple weeks ago.

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And he talked about the

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enthusiasm you had getting

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him to Blacksburg and the

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relationship you two guys

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had built from that initial

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plane trip and lunch down

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in Waco back over a little

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over a year ago now.

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But let's talk about how

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that's developed since you

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became the quarterback coach.

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What makes that offensive

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coordinator and quarterback

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one relationship so special,

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both personally and then on the field?

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Yeah, I mean, as simple as this sounds,

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it's just two guys being on

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the same page.

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And I feel that, right?

0:16:19.756 --> 0:16:21.018
Understanding each other's

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strengths and weaknesses,

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understanding thought process.

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There's little things, right?

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When a play call comes in

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and it gets signaled and he sees it,

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he knows exactly what I'm

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thinking because of how

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we've gone about our

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meeting process that week,

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what that plays in the game plan for.

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I think there's just more.

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It's more cohesive from those standpoints.

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It's a little bit more natural.

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And I think it's also being

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in the room and

0:16:45.495 --> 0:16:47.537
understanding him and what he sees well,

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what fits his eye.

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These are things he's gonna

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do really well.

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These are areas we need to

0:16:53.201 --> 0:16:55.083
improve on and being able

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to build on those.

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It's really as simple as that, right?

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Just two guys getting on the

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same page and ultimately,

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you know,

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play caller and player that's

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going to make a decision on

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every snap that we go out

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there on offense being on

0:17:07.346 --> 0:17:09.069
the same page of really the

0:17:09.130 --> 0:17:10.352
why behind what we're doing,

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not necessarily the what and how.

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All right.

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I love hearing that.

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I love hearing the relationship.

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But I think what you say

0:17:18.055 --> 0:17:19.055
there is that in that room,

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because you said it.

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I give that call.

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He knows exactly what we

0:17:23.297 --> 0:17:24.218
talked about in that room,

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and he said go out there and do it.

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Let's go to last year, man,

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because what a season that was.

0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:31.000
It was a roller coaster.

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But in the end,

0:17:32.641 --> 0:17:33.922
what a great stretch in the

0:17:33.961 --> 0:17:34.862
last two months.

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And when you look back on it

0:17:36.343 --> 0:17:39.384
in retrospect of the 2023 season,

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what area are you looking

0:17:41.644 --> 0:17:45.201
to most improve into 2024?

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Yeah, well, number one,

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you're saying all the right things.

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That was last year, right?

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And that's the biggest message right now,

0:17:52.644 --> 0:17:53.105
right?

0:17:54.305 --> 0:17:56.266
Ultimately, when we look at it,

0:17:57.086 --> 0:17:58.926
season still didn't go as we wanted.

0:17:58.967 --> 0:18:01.267
We were where we were at the

0:18:01.287 --> 0:18:01.968
end of the year.

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There were some nice things,

0:18:03.907 --> 0:18:05.088
but that was just that.

0:18:05.128 --> 0:18:05.689
It was last year.

0:18:05.709 --> 0:18:07.068
We've got a brand-new team right now.

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There's some experience we

0:18:08.109 --> 0:18:08.970
can build off of.

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But ultimately,

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when I look at us right now,

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we're going back, right?

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The first thing you do in

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the offseason before you

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start going to study other people,

0:18:16.499 --> 0:18:17.740
you study yourself, right?

0:18:17.779 --> 0:18:18.580
And we're going through a

0:18:18.621 --> 0:18:19.781
self scout process.

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And we take everything again,

0:18:22.443 --> 0:18:23.786
like I always joke about it,

0:18:23.826 --> 0:18:25.126
like you're tearing a house

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down to the studs and

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building it back up.

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So looking at really the

0:18:28.809 --> 0:18:30.612
process at how players make

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decisions on each play.

0:18:32.388 --> 0:18:33.970
the techniques that we were coaching,

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how can we coach this better?

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How can we make it simpler to install?

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So we're looking at all that.

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And what I see,

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there's just so many areas

0:18:41.195 --> 0:18:43.257
that we just need to tighten up, right?

0:18:43.297 --> 0:18:44.198
We're obviously going to

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evolve from a scheme standpoint.

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There were some, you know,

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there's some good plays as

0:18:48.682 --> 0:18:49.461
the season unfolded,

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but if we can just tighten everything up,

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if we can understand a

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little bit more of the why

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behind what we're doing,

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if we can get our hat six

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inches over on an outside run,

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if we can hit those landmarks,

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There's a lot more yards and

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a lot more points to go on the field.

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And again,

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I'll tie that right back into

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the thing we started with.

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That's the beauty of phase one, right?

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It's about those things.

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It's about the first step.

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It's about not false stepping.

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It's about the drive off the ball,

0:19:16.459 --> 0:19:17.759
the release against outside

0:19:17.799 --> 0:19:18.779
leverage press, right?

0:19:18.819 --> 0:19:21.821
Where's my hat on this outside run, right?

0:19:21.842 --> 0:19:22.942
It's about all those things.

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And really,

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When you look at it, it's a simple game.

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If we can tighten up those

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100 level things and then

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apply them to a 400 level

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play that we're going to

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present to the defense,

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we're going to be much

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better as an offense.

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And that's really been the message, right?

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How can we get better at the basics?

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We can't get bored with

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being really good at the basics.

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First step, hand placement, hat placement,

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release, coverage recognition,

0:19:44.595 --> 0:19:46.115
progression, timing,

0:19:46.175 --> 0:19:47.155
footwork in the pocket,

0:19:47.175 --> 0:19:48.416
like all those little things.

0:19:48.936 --> 0:19:49.778
are going to lead to us

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having more success and

0:19:51.180 --> 0:19:52.040
we're always going to look

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to evolve right that's not

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meaning we're going to roll

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out and it's going to be

0:19:55.605 --> 0:19:57.207
the the same look that it

0:19:57.307 --> 0:19:58.167
always is you're going to

0:19:58.208 --> 0:19:59.250
look to evolve but at the

0:19:59.430 --> 0:20:01.132
end no matter what we do

0:20:01.172 --> 0:20:02.173
schematically it's going to

0:20:02.212 --> 0:20:03.634
come down to those basic

0:20:03.634 --> 0:20:04.675
100 level things getting

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executed at a high level

0:20:06.423 --> 0:20:07.483
yeah you got to have those

0:20:07.544 --> 0:20:08.625
fundamentals you got to be

0:20:08.644 --> 0:20:09.384
able to execute

0:20:09.424 --> 0:20:10.925
consistently so if you're

0:20:10.945 --> 0:20:11.866
not doing those things it's

0:20:11.886 --> 0:20:12.728
going to be hard to kind of

0:20:12.748 --> 0:20:14.288
take that that next big

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step and put in some some

0:20:15.609 --> 0:20:17.651
new wrinkles so I i can

0:20:17.671 --> 0:20:18.372
appreciate where you're

0:20:18.392 --> 0:20:19.972
coming from there and I

0:20:19.992 --> 0:20:21.433
love you talking offensive

0:20:21.473 --> 0:20:22.694
line lingo here because I

0:20:22.734 --> 0:20:23.976
mean this is an offensive

0:20:24.016 --> 0:20:25.656
line podcast I played

0:20:25.717 --> 0:20:27.499
o-line division three back

0:20:27.558 --> 0:20:28.019
in the early 2000s so

0:20:30.281 --> 0:20:31.284
I love all of the

0:20:31.304 --> 0:20:32.748
terminology that's thrown out there.

0:20:33.890 --> 0:20:35.173
And I firmly believe this.

0:20:35.713 --> 0:20:36.856
Offensive linemen make the

0:20:36.876 --> 0:20:38.019
best offensive coordinators.

0:20:38.669 --> 0:20:39.490
I've always said it.

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We sure hope so, right?

0:20:41.932 --> 0:20:44.213
I've had a bunch in my career,

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and I definitely will hold

0:20:46.556 --> 0:20:47.537
firm to that belief.

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But you had a head coach

0:20:49.458 --> 0:20:50.960
when you were at Maryland, Ralph Friedgen,

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.382
that we're familiar with as Hokie fans,

0:20:53.422 --> 0:20:55.503
both from playing in the

0:20:55.564 --> 0:20:58.125
latter years of his career in the ACC,

0:20:58.145 --> 0:20:59.906
but also from all of those

0:20:59.948 --> 0:21:00.988
times that he shared with

0:21:01.028 --> 0:21:01.888
Frank Beamer and other

0:21:01.909 --> 0:21:02.849
stops in his career.

0:21:05.063 --> 0:21:06.344
was a dynamite play caller

0:21:06.683 --> 0:21:07.403
and and he played

0:21:07.463 --> 0:21:08.223
everything in college

0:21:08.243 --> 0:21:09.204
himself starting at

0:21:09.244 --> 0:21:10.285
quarterback and then you

0:21:10.305 --> 0:21:11.766
know finishing his career

0:21:11.826 --> 0:21:13.405
closer to the ball yeah

0:21:13.445 --> 0:21:15.646
exactly yeah he kept moving

0:21:15.666 --> 0:21:16.366
closer to the ball I don't

0:21:16.406 --> 0:21:17.107
think he would mind me

0:21:17.147 --> 0:21:18.607
saying that yeah yeah so

0:21:18.708 --> 0:21:21.108
but you know I i love that

0:21:21.269 --> 0:21:22.308
about him and I just wanted

0:21:22.328 --> 0:21:23.849
to see if you know what

0:21:23.890 --> 0:21:24.650
were some of the things

0:21:24.849 --> 0:21:25.510
from an offensive

0:21:25.550 --> 0:21:26.590
coordinator and play caller

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perspective that you

0:21:27.431 --> 0:21:29.152
learned from coach frigin sure

0:21:30.702 --> 0:21:31.824
Coach Friesen, number one,

0:21:31.884 --> 0:21:34.026
he had a huge impact on me, number one,

0:21:34.066 --> 0:21:34.926
getting into coaching.

0:21:35.846 --> 0:21:37.828
When I was a player at Maryland,

0:21:37.848 --> 0:21:39.330
I was a tackle,

0:21:40.352 --> 0:21:41.492
didn't have a very

0:21:41.532 --> 0:21:42.834
illustrious career by any

0:21:42.874 --> 0:21:43.755
stretch as a player,

0:21:43.815 --> 0:21:45.096
ended up having a

0:21:45.156 --> 0:21:47.479
career-ending injury in my third year.

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And he's the one that kind

0:21:49.046 --> 0:21:50.406
of taught me in the coaching.

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And one of the best things

0:21:52.468 --> 0:21:54.949
he ever did for me was early, right?

0:21:55.009 --> 0:21:56.368
I'm starting on the ground floor.

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Number one,

0:21:57.109 --> 0:22:00.090
he told me he was very crass

0:22:00.151 --> 0:22:00.891
and to the point.

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He said, hey, Tyler,

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the only reason you had a

0:22:04.132 --> 0:22:05.313
chance to travel and even

0:22:05.353 --> 0:22:06.653
be in this position was

0:22:06.692 --> 0:22:07.513
because you were smart.

0:22:08.173 --> 0:22:08.433
He said,

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so I feel good about where you're

0:22:10.714 --> 0:22:13.416
developing as an offensive line coach.

0:22:13.457 --> 0:22:14.656
So what he did is he put me

0:22:14.696 --> 0:22:16.397
in a very uncomfortable situation.

0:22:16.438 --> 0:22:17.259
He had me sit in the

0:22:17.298 --> 0:22:18.959
quarterback room for two

0:22:19.038 --> 0:22:21.601
years and just really

0:22:21.681 --> 0:22:23.902
expanded my knowledge of the game.

0:22:23.922 --> 0:22:24.741
But what I can always

0:22:24.801 --> 0:22:27.523
appreciate about him from that standpoint,

0:22:27.564 --> 0:22:30.125
I understand how he coached.

0:22:30.942 --> 0:22:32.682
is that it all starts from

0:22:32.702 --> 0:22:34.343
the inside out if you want to be good.

0:22:34.403 --> 0:22:35.482
That offensive line's got to

0:22:35.522 --> 0:22:36.644
be a heartbeat of the team,

0:22:37.124 --> 0:22:38.284
that quarterback being in

0:22:38.304 --> 0:22:39.604
sync with decision making.

0:22:40.025 --> 0:22:41.664
And Coach Friedgen was one of those guys.

0:22:41.704 --> 0:22:43.144
He could sit in an offensive

0:22:43.164 --> 0:22:44.506
meeting room and coach

0:22:44.586 --> 0:22:45.766
everything from the split

0:22:45.786 --> 0:22:47.026
of the wide receiver to the

0:22:47.067 --> 0:22:47.987
first step of the left

0:22:48.047 --> 0:22:50.047
guard to the exchange

0:22:50.086 --> 0:22:50.887
between the center and the

0:22:50.948 --> 0:22:52.208
quarterback to him to the right.

0:22:52.228 --> 0:22:52.488
I mean,

0:22:52.548 --> 0:22:55.348
it was just impressive what he could do.

0:22:55.429 --> 0:22:55.909
So I think

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That made a huge impression

0:22:58.596 --> 0:23:00.778
on me is right when you get into this,

0:23:00.858 --> 0:23:02.621
like really understanding

0:23:02.661 --> 0:23:04.002
each position in detail,

0:23:04.483 --> 0:23:05.525
understanding how that all

0:23:05.585 --> 0:23:06.787
relates to the big picture.

0:23:08.088 --> 0:23:10.111
So he made a huge impression

0:23:10.171 --> 0:23:11.192
on me from that standpoint.

0:23:11.212 --> 0:23:12.755
Then as a play caller, the variety,

0:23:13.393 --> 0:23:14.653
the variety of scheme he was

0:23:14.713 --> 0:23:17.255
able to implement in one offense.

0:23:17.615 --> 0:23:18.496
When we were in college,

0:23:18.536 --> 0:23:19.615
everything from triple

0:23:19.695 --> 0:23:21.537
option concepts like true

0:23:21.576 --> 0:23:23.718
veer under center to spread

0:23:23.798 --> 0:23:25.419
elements to RPOs before

0:23:25.459 --> 0:23:27.019
they were a buzzword term

0:23:27.059 --> 0:23:27.800
that everybody likes

0:23:27.861 --> 0:23:30.561
talking about to back power

0:23:30.602 --> 0:23:31.762
out of 22 personnel.

0:23:31.823 --> 0:23:32.603
I mean,

0:23:32.982 --> 0:23:34.763
he could really coach it all and in

0:23:34.824 --> 0:23:35.525
great detail.

0:23:35.545 --> 0:23:37.705
So he did a great job of

0:23:38.326 --> 0:23:39.846
just helping me expand my knowledge and

0:23:40.619 --> 0:23:42.560
giving me the itch and the

0:23:42.601 --> 0:23:44.141
fire to want to be a coach.

0:23:45.521 --> 0:23:46.422
Man, that's awesome to hear.

0:23:47.021 --> 0:23:48.482
I also find it so

0:23:48.542 --> 0:23:49.303
interesting that he asked

0:23:49.323 --> 0:23:50.084
you to go to the QB room.

0:23:50.124 --> 0:23:50.763
Now, first of all,

0:23:50.923 --> 0:23:51.564
you were clearly the

0:23:51.604 --> 0:23:55.726
tallest guy in that room by miles, right?

0:23:56.026 --> 0:23:56.746
Yeah.

0:23:57.205 --> 0:23:58.866
When I said that he gave me a compliment,

0:23:58.906 --> 0:23:59.287
a smart,

0:23:59.326 --> 0:24:00.567
that only meant that I knew what

0:24:00.607 --> 0:24:01.367
to do at tackle.

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.200
I found out really quick.

0:24:04.701 --> 0:24:06.101
Yeah, I didn't know anything else.

0:24:06.141 --> 0:24:06.441
You know,

0:24:07.621 --> 0:24:09.060
he broke me down to the studs and

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.721
built me up again as a coach.

0:24:10.741 --> 0:24:11.261
There we go.

0:24:11.281 --> 0:24:12.281
I love that.

0:24:12.362 --> 0:24:13.521
But it shows a lot that he

0:24:13.561 --> 0:24:15.623
had that trust in you to say,

0:24:15.643 --> 0:24:16.722
I believe you can get in

0:24:16.762 --> 0:24:18.383
that room in understanding

0:24:18.442 --> 0:24:19.644
our concepts because that

0:24:19.663 --> 0:24:21.243
does say a lot about him

0:24:21.284 --> 0:24:22.923
having that belief in you to go in there,

0:24:22.963 --> 0:24:23.183
man.

0:24:23.763 --> 0:24:25.085
And let me pivot a little

0:24:25.125 --> 0:24:26.585
bit because talking about

0:24:26.964 --> 0:24:29.066
somebody who could put together a drive,

0:24:29.086 --> 0:24:30.726
who could put together great play calls,

0:24:31.780 --> 0:24:32.421
Last year,

0:24:32.941 --> 0:24:35.362
are there any games or drives

0:24:35.741 --> 0:24:37.482
that stick out to you where

0:24:38.083 --> 0:24:39.702
you – we're going to borrow

0:24:39.722 --> 0:24:40.483
something from J.C.

0:24:40.503 --> 0:24:41.364
Price who was on with us a

0:24:41.403 --> 0:24:42.324
few weeks ago where you

0:24:42.364 --> 0:24:43.904
felt like every time you

0:24:43.984 --> 0:24:45.904
looked down on your sheet called to play,

0:24:45.924 --> 0:24:46.704
you rolled a seven.

0:24:48.445 --> 0:24:50.185
Any games like that last year or drives?

0:24:51.106 --> 0:24:52.287
There were good moments.

0:24:52.487 --> 0:24:53.307
I'm not going to remember

0:24:53.326 --> 0:24:54.268
them all from last year.

0:24:54.327 --> 0:24:55.347
I'm trying to watch.

0:24:55.367 --> 0:24:57.068
I thought our guys did a –

0:24:59.082 --> 0:24:59.823
An excellent job,

0:24:59.863 --> 0:25:01.663
like thinking back to the Syracuse game,

0:25:02.224 --> 0:25:02.965
it just seemed like the

0:25:03.026 --> 0:25:04.207
Russian attack that night,

0:25:04.767 --> 0:25:05.607
the way we were attacking,

0:25:05.627 --> 0:25:06.788
the way the guys were executing,

0:25:06.808 --> 0:25:08.390
the way the ball carriers were running,

0:25:09.672 --> 0:25:11.333
that was just probably a

0:25:11.393 --> 0:25:12.673
feeling that sticks out.

0:25:12.693 --> 0:25:13.734
But I think there were

0:25:13.775 --> 0:25:15.036
multiple instances of that.

0:25:15.076 --> 0:25:18.278
And I think the big thing is this,

0:25:18.358 --> 0:25:18.640
obviously,

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.320
how can we make that consistent?

0:25:20.361 --> 0:25:22.083
How can we become more consistent?

0:25:22.442 --> 0:25:23.544
And it goes back to all

0:25:23.584 --> 0:25:24.265
those little things.

0:25:25.875 --> 0:25:26.276
Awesome.

0:25:26.576 --> 0:25:27.096
Love hearing that.

0:25:27.116 --> 0:25:28.698
Definitely a Syracuse game, Ryan.

0:25:29.557 --> 0:25:29.978
You know what?

0:25:30.038 --> 0:25:31.858
It stood out on both sides of the ball.

0:25:31.878 --> 0:25:33.400
We've said it all year, man.

0:25:34.961 --> 0:25:36.662
So last big question here.

0:25:37.883 --> 0:25:39.002
We don't have him on today,

0:25:39.044 --> 0:25:40.944
but our analytics man, Sheldon Moss,

0:25:41.845 --> 0:25:42.726
he said that one of the

0:25:42.786 --> 0:25:44.606
biggest predicators of next

0:25:44.626 --> 0:25:45.807
year's outcome is the prior

0:25:45.826 --> 0:25:46.407
year's outcome.

0:25:47.147 --> 0:25:48.208
I know as you as a coach,

0:25:48.689 --> 0:25:50.209
we're trying to forget last season,

0:25:50.249 --> 0:25:50.469
right?

0:25:50.829 --> 0:25:52.109
We're trying to forget all of that, right?

0:25:53.069 --> 0:25:54.590
And coaches hate thinking

0:25:54.631 --> 0:25:56.172
about how we finished in

0:25:56.172 --> 0:25:58.051
2023 and all that.

0:25:58.132 --> 0:26:01.413
But based on a lot of the media outlets,

0:26:01.433 --> 0:26:02.453
we're looking at a lot of

0:26:02.493 --> 0:26:03.555
returning production on the

0:26:03.615 --> 0:26:04.615
offensive side of the ball.

0:26:04.714 --> 0:26:06.155
As an offensive coordinator,

0:26:06.655 --> 0:26:07.476
does that type of

0:26:07.536 --> 0:26:09.737
continuity make your job easier,

0:26:09.797 --> 0:26:10.857
for lack of a better word?

0:26:10.877 --> 0:26:13.097
I don't know if I'd say easier.

0:26:13.117 --> 0:26:13.919
I'd say exciting.

0:26:14.578 --> 0:26:16.599
I think it's exciting any time you've got

0:26:17.127 --> 0:26:17.348
you know,

0:26:17.388 --> 0:26:18.914
this much return in production

0:26:18.996 --> 0:26:21.204
and potential continuity between the

0:26:21.666 --> 0:26:22.406
the guy that's going to be

0:26:22.426 --> 0:26:23.347
throwing the football and

0:26:23.387 --> 0:26:24.409
handing it off and the guys

0:26:24.429 --> 0:26:25.429
that are going to be around them.

0:26:25.469 --> 0:26:26.309
I think that's something

0:26:26.349 --> 0:26:27.670
we're excited to build upon.

0:26:28.270 --> 0:26:29.652
You know, it really has, you know,

0:26:29.672 --> 0:26:31.452
I'll say it both ways, right?

0:26:31.472 --> 0:26:32.792
The continuity I think is,

0:26:33.253 --> 0:26:34.193
is important and what we're

0:26:34.213 --> 0:26:35.154
all excited about,

0:26:35.194 --> 0:26:36.836
but it's being able to take

0:26:36.875 --> 0:26:38.576
the next steps with those guys, right.

0:26:38.616 --> 0:26:40.077
Making sure we're doing a

0:26:40.117 --> 0:26:41.337
good job developing the

0:26:41.739 --> 0:26:42.818
individual player to be

0:26:42.838 --> 0:26:44.220
able to come into the group

0:26:44.259 --> 0:26:45.080
and be a better player to

0:26:45.121 --> 0:26:46.221
make our offense better.

0:26:46.300 --> 0:26:46.500
Right.

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:47.701
So we're, you know,

0:26:47.721 --> 0:26:49.303
we're full steam ahead on that, but I,

0:26:49.635 --> 0:26:52.458
But certainly the continuity is great.

0:26:52.877 --> 0:26:54.219
And I think like the big

0:26:54.239 --> 0:26:55.599
thing that always sticks in my mind,

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.021
right, that all adds up to potential.

0:26:58.722 --> 0:26:58.962
Right.

0:26:59.042 --> 0:27:00.344
And it's our job as a

0:27:00.384 --> 0:27:01.805
coaching staff and it's our

0:27:01.865 --> 0:27:04.105
job as we go into phase one

0:27:04.125 --> 0:27:05.166
and we go into phase two

0:27:05.227 --> 0:27:06.268
and we and we accomplish

0:27:06.288 --> 0:27:07.229
these things throughout the year.

0:27:07.249 --> 0:27:07.969
We've got to turn that

0:27:08.009 --> 0:27:09.049
potential into production.

0:27:10.015 --> 0:27:11.836
So right now, that's how I look at it,

0:27:11.936 --> 0:27:12.457
right?

0:27:12.576 --> 0:27:13.919
Yeah, there's a ton of potential.

0:27:13.939 --> 0:27:15.460
You can look at it a lot of different ways,

0:27:15.519 --> 0:27:17.342
but we got to strip it down to the studs.

0:27:17.362 --> 0:27:18.423
We got to build it back up.

0:27:18.443 --> 0:27:19.404
We got to build it back up

0:27:19.444 --> 0:27:20.726
better than before and make

0:27:20.766 --> 0:27:21.547
sure that we go out and

0:27:21.567 --> 0:27:22.347
produce on the field.

0:27:22.809 --> 0:27:23.049
Man,

0:27:23.971 --> 0:27:25.392
I keep hearing the studs thing and I

0:27:25.451 --> 0:27:26.372
keep thinking like all

0:27:26.432 --> 0:27:27.353
these guys coming- That's

0:27:27.373 --> 0:27:28.314
my go to right now.

0:27:28.394 --> 0:27:30.134
It is man, it's great.

0:27:30.234 --> 0:27:31.115
It's a great thing that

0:27:31.174 --> 0:27:32.135
anyone that's ever built

0:27:32.195 --> 0:27:33.217
anything understands.

0:27:33.676 --> 0:27:34.837
But I love you keep saying

0:27:34.877 --> 0:27:36.878
that because for all those guys,

0:27:36.919 --> 0:27:38.299
the continuity of the guys coming back,

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:39.019
you can look and say,

0:27:39.059 --> 0:27:40.121
you know what you do well,

0:27:40.461 --> 0:27:41.382
let's get that better.

0:27:42.061 --> 0:27:43.002
What don't you do well?

0:27:43.482 --> 0:27:44.624
How can we make that better?

0:27:44.663 --> 0:27:45.904
Because if you make that better,

0:27:46.505 --> 0:27:47.965
The stuff you got going good

0:27:48.006 --> 0:27:49.346
for you already is going to be there.

0:27:50.728 --> 0:27:52.108
And I love you saying that

0:27:52.148 --> 0:27:53.651
because it tells me that

0:27:54.090 --> 0:27:56.031
we're not looking to be seven wins again.

0:27:56.452 --> 0:27:57.252
We're looking for better.

0:27:57.614 --> 0:27:58.354
And I think that's the way

0:27:58.394 --> 0:28:00.036
the staff has looked at since day one.

0:28:00.056 --> 0:28:00.756
All right.

0:28:01.215 --> 0:28:03.518
Easy question to round it out here today.

0:28:03.557 --> 0:28:06.240
We appreciate your time, Tyler.

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:07.560
We know you're a busy man.

0:28:07.981 --> 0:28:11.304
But what is your food spot in Blacksburg?

0:28:11.364 --> 0:28:12.845
It's one we ask every coach

0:28:12.986 --> 0:28:14.707
or player that ever comes on with us.

0:28:15.750 --> 0:28:16.490
Food spot.

0:28:16.751 --> 0:28:17.731
You know, I got two.

0:28:17.791 --> 0:28:19.272
If I want wings, it's P.K.'s.

0:28:20.413 --> 0:28:21.594
All right.

0:28:21.634 --> 0:28:22.595
Look, I'm a wing guy.

0:28:23.015 --> 0:28:23.434
All right.

0:28:23.494 --> 0:28:24.635
Are you a cheetah wing guy?

0:28:25.056 --> 0:28:25.516
You know what?

0:28:25.556 --> 0:28:26.777
I do like the cheetah wings.

0:28:27.076 --> 0:28:28.718
I'm not going to lie.

0:28:29.898 --> 0:28:30.519
I learned that.

0:28:30.778 --> 0:28:31.980
I learned that from cheetah.

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:32.319
All right.

0:28:32.339 --> 0:28:33.601
But I do like the cheetah wings.

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.261
I'm a regular medium or hot buffalo guy,

0:28:36.301 --> 0:28:36.501
though.

0:28:36.521 --> 0:28:37.103
There we go.

0:28:37.123 --> 0:28:37.502
All right.

0:28:37.542 --> 0:28:38.442
I like a little medium or

0:28:38.482 --> 0:28:39.763
hot buffalo with some blue cheese.

0:28:39.784 --> 0:28:41.585
And then if, you know,

0:28:41.625 --> 0:28:43.205
if I want an Italian meal,

0:28:43.246 --> 0:28:44.946
I really I'm a big fan of Avelino's.

0:28:46.411 --> 0:28:47.352
Good spot in town, man.

0:28:47.372 --> 0:28:48.313
They've got a great steak,

0:28:48.472 --> 0:28:49.874
a little pasta on the side.

0:28:50.255 --> 0:28:50.515
You know,

0:28:50.595 --> 0:28:52.717
if you're not yo-yo dieting and

0:28:52.737 --> 0:28:54.357
carb cutting, which I'm doing right now,

0:28:54.377 --> 0:28:55.939
you know, that's a good spot.

0:28:56.019 --> 0:28:57.099
But you can always go with

0:28:57.119 --> 0:28:57.980
the steak and veggies.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:28:58.781
There we go.

0:28:58.821 --> 0:28:59.803
And I appreciate you

0:28:59.823 --> 0:29:01.064
bringing it up because that's a good one,

0:29:01.084 --> 0:29:02.204
and that's one I haven't

0:29:02.244 --> 0:29:03.586
heard a coach or player say yet.

0:29:03.665 --> 0:29:04.826
So you've got a new one on

0:29:04.846 --> 0:29:05.426
the board for us.

0:29:06.048 --> 0:29:06.347
Good, good.

0:29:07.769 --> 0:29:08.308
Coach Bowen,

0:29:08.328 --> 0:29:09.730
we know you're busy today as

0:29:09.769 --> 0:29:10.329
it every day.

0:29:10.410 --> 0:29:11.590
We appreciate you taking the

0:29:11.631 --> 0:29:12.510
time out of the day to

0:29:12.550 --> 0:29:13.352
spend with us here at the

0:29:13.392 --> 0:29:14.531
boundary corner podcast.

0:29:14.711 --> 0:29:14.853
Um,

0:29:15.292 --> 0:29:17.253
good luck in this upcoming season and

0:29:17.273 --> 0:29:18.094
in the spring game.

0:29:18.173 --> 0:29:18.314
Um,

0:29:18.354 --> 0:29:20.214
we hope to see you there and you take

0:29:20.255 --> 0:29:20.575
care, sir.

0:29:21.095 --> 0:29:21.855
Uh, we appreciate it.

0:29:21.875 --> 0:29:23.257
Appreciate y'all support and

0:29:23.636 --> 0:29:25.096
look forward to being on again sometime.

0:29:25.538 --> 0:29:25.798
Awesome.

0:29:25.817 --> 0:29:26.478
Thank you, coach.

0:29:26.498 --> 0:29:26.577
Okay.

0:29:26.597 --> 0:29:27.218
All right.

0:29:27.238 --> 0:29:34.021
Y'all have a good one.

0:29:34.061 --> 0:29:36.262
Me and Brian had, and, uh,

0:29:39.617 --> 0:29:40.078
Y'all back?

0:29:40.439 --> 0:29:41.659
I saw a lot of mute mics there.

0:29:42.419 --> 0:29:44.219
So we got to sit there and talk to him,

0:29:44.259 --> 0:29:45.660
and obviously we threw some

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.240
questions off of him.

0:29:47.259 --> 0:29:49.799
Like, that Ron Crook thing,

0:29:49.819 --> 0:29:51.461
that came out of nowhere.

0:29:51.721 --> 0:29:52.800
I was expecting to go to the

0:29:52.881 --> 0:29:53.461
next question.

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:54.201
The next thing you know,

0:29:54.221 --> 0:29:55.761
he's talking about Crook and what he does,

0:29:55.801 --> 0:29:56.642
and it's like, you know what?

0:29:57.102 --> 0:29:57.801
Let the man go.

0:29:58.461 --> 0:30:00.041
But let's throw it to both of y'all.

0:30:00.061 --> 0:30:00.742
I'm going to start with

0:30:00.762 --> 0:30:01.982
Shelton here because, Shelton,

0:30:02.002 --> 0:30:02.823
your name got mentioned.

0:30:04.053 --> 0:30:04.913
From this interview and the

0:30:04.932 --> 0:30:06.554
things he's talking about, you know,

0:30:07.054 --> 0:30:08.535
what's your feelings on it?

0:30:10.336 --> 0:30:11.496
My feeling is I love it.

0:30:11.576 --> 0:30:13.116
I think it's, first of all,

0:30:13.196 --> 0:30:13.797
it's great to have an

0:30:13.836 --> 0:30:14.958
offensive coordinator that

0:30:15.577 --> 0:30:17.259
is so willing to be, you know,

0:30:17.638 --> 0:30:18.878
to do these interviews and

0:30:18.919 --> 0:30:21.160
be open with media outlets like us.

0:30:21.721 --> 0:30:22.861
And it hasn't always been the case.

0:30:22.961 --> 0:30:24.122
But, you know,

0:30:24.221 --> 0:30:25.602
I just love hearing him talk about,

0:30:26.001 --> 0:30:28.544
you know, the complexities and the RPOs,

0:30:29.403 --> 0:30:29.624
you know,

0:30:29.663 --> 0:30:30.884
just the wrinkles and the tags

0:30:30.904 --> 0:30:32.005
that they put in because, you know,

0:30:32.263 --> 0:30:32.443
You know,

0:30:32.463 --> 0:30:33.285
I was talking with a coaching

0:30:33.305 --> 0:30:35.126
friend and he mentioned how, you know,

0:30:35.166 --> 0:30:36.667
with RPOs, you've got layers to it.

0:30:36.688 --> 0:30:38.429
You've got different tags, you know,

0:30:38.489 --> 0:30:39.170
just because something

0:30:39.190 --> 0:30:40.151
looks like a simple RPO

0:30:40.191 --> 0:30:40.671
doesn't mean that it

0:30:40.711 --> 0:30:41.632
actually is because it can

0:30:41.652 --> 0:30:42.913
go different ways.

0:30:42.932 --> 0:30:43.534
So just those,

0:30:43.554 --> 0:30:44.634
those types of complexities

0:30:44.694 --> 0:30:45.695
and seeing how, you know, the,

0:30:46.519 --> 0:30:48.300
the quarterback Kyron drones kind of,

0:30:48.540 --> 0:30:48.760
you know,

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:49.622
progress with those throughout

0:30:49.642 --> 0:30:51.542
the course of the season, making reads,

0:30:52.143 --> 0:30:52.883
you know, making those,

0:30:53.243 --> 0:30:54.304
those decisions for himself.

0:30:54.403 --> 0:30:54.743
I just,

0:30:54.804 --> 0:30:56.105
I was super impressed with how they,

0:30:56.744 --> 0:30:57.445
how they made those little

0:30:57.465 --> 0:30:58.125
adjustments throughout the

0:30:58.145 --> 0:30:58.665
course of the year.

0:30:59.126 --> 0:30:59.866
And it was great to hear him

0:30:59.906 --> 0:31:00.987
talk about just, you know,

0:31:01.508 --> 0:31:02.288
to kind of validate what we

0:31:02.347 --> 0:31:02.988
saw in terms of the,

0:31:03.048 --> 0:31:03.909
in terms of the progression.

0:31:03.969 --> 0:31:05.809
So I thought it was a, it was really good.

0:31:05.849 --> 0:31:07.310
I just, I just love his eye for football.

0:31:07.330 --> 0:31:08.510
Really.

0:31:08.550 --> 0:31:09.231
What about you, man?

0:31:09.251 --> 0:31:11.472
What caught your ears on

0:31:11.512 --> 0:31:13.253
this interview with coach Bowen?

0:31:14.246 --> 0:31:15.965
First of all, Sheldon is fucking smart.

0:31:19.747 --> 0:31:22.547
I'd be tuned in when he'd be talking.

0:31:23.087 --> 0:31:24.407
He'd be hitting me with them words.

0:31:24.488 --> 0:31:26.508
I'd say, boy, that boy's smart.

0:31:27.228 --> 0:31:29.449
A couple things we're going to get into.

0:31:30.729 --> 0:31:32.169
Number one, we might be Thanos.

0:31:34.128 --> 0:31:35.109
We might be Thanos.

0:31:36.089 --> 0:31:40.750
Offensive coordinator, head coach, QB1,

0:31:41.851 --> 0:31:42.510
line coach,

0:31:43.191 --> 0:31:44.092
wide receiver coach.

0:31:45.471 --> 0:31:46.813
We got to get Marv on, man.

0:31:47.133 --> 0:31:49.775
That's it.

0:31:50.134 --> 0:31:51.076
We need the defensive

0:31:51.115 --> 0:31:52.195
coordinator on this show.

0:31:52.215 --> 0:31:54.857
I'm sitting here looking at it like, man,

0:31:56.179 --> 0:31:57.980
BCP done came a long way, man.

0:31:59.121 --> 0:32:00.781
Brian, give yourself a pat on the back,

0:32:00.821 --> 0:32:01.061
man.

0:32:01.761 --> 0:32:04.903
Curtis, give yourself a pat on the back.

0:32:04.983 --> 0:32:06.065
Great interview, guys.

0:32:06.105 --> 0:32:07.125
I'm sorry I couldn't be there,

0:32:07.506 --> 0:32:08.645
but y'all did a good job.

0:32:09.866 --> 0:32:11.048
Second thing that stood out to me,

0:32:12.748 --> 0:32:14.589
I got to get Tebow and get

0:32:14.630 --> 0:32:16.010
him around some more black people.

0:32:16.951 --> 0:32:18.933
We ain't eating no blue cheese.

0:32:18.953 --> 0:32:21.695
He was doing good until he

0:32:21.756 --> 0:32:22.896
mentioned the blue cheese.

0:32:23.637 --> 0:32:24.778
You got to get ranch, man.

0:32:24.818 --> 0:32:26.119
We got to get you with some ranch.

0:32:26.599 --> 0:32:26.840
Okay.

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.621
We got that out of the way.

0:32:28.780 --> 0:32:30.561
We got all that stuff out of the way.

0:32:32.163 --> 0:32:35.746
Even before hearing him talk, interview,

0:32:36.146 --> 0:32:37.167
even before hearing him

0:32:37.887 --> 0:32:38.949
going to what our offense

0:32:38.989 --> 0:32:40.349
does good and what he does

0:32:40.849 --> 0:32:41.550
and what he's doing,

0:32:41.570 --> 0:32:42.991
he talked about tearing it

0:32:43.031 --> 0:32:43.853
down to the studs.

0:32:44.252 --> 0:32:45.693
What I like about him is his

0:32:45.753 --> 0:32:47.476
ability to recruit because

0:32:47.536 --> 0:32:48.675
it doesn't matter what you run.

0:32:48.936 --> 0:32:50.857
It doesn't matter how great

0:32:50.897 --> 0:32:51.878
of a mind you are.

0:32:52.199 --> 0:32:53.700
If you're not getting players in,

0:32:54.721 --> 0:32:55.221
it don't matter.

0:32:56.007 --> 0:32:58.708
He's winning guy players here.

0:32:58.827 --> 0:33:00.268
He's a very relatable guy.

0:33:01.107 --> 0:33:02.468
He's very open and honest,

0:33:02.748 --> 0:33:04.028
just like Pryor.

0:33:04.068 --> 0:33:04.969
We've talked to Chris.

0:33:05.308 --> 0:33:05.989
Shout out to Chris.

0:33:06.009 --> 0:33:07.288
He's on here.

0:33:07.308 --> 0:33:09.289
We talked to Kevin just

0:33:09.369 --> 0:33:12.950
about how he is with the players,

0:33:12.990 --> 0:33:16.111
with the parents, with the other coaches.

0:33:17.330 --> 0:33:18.731
That's awesome to have an

0:33:18.811 --> 0:33:20.778
offensive coordinator that is –

0:33:20.778 --> 0:33:22.099
You know, a really sharp guy,

0:33:22.119 --> 0:33:22.861
like Robbie said,

0:33:22.881 --> 0:33:24.982
but also a really open guy,

0:33:25.022 --> 0:33:26.304
kind of what Shelton said, you know,

0:33:26.364 --> 0:33:27.984
open with the media and things like that.

0:33:28.506 --> 0:33:30.067
But one thing, you know,

0:33:30.528 --> 0:33:31.468
the main thing that stood

0:33:31.508 --> 0:33:33.369
out is when he talks about, you know,

0:33:33.410 --> 0:33:34.510
building from the outside,

0:33:34.810 --> 0:33:35.672
from the inside out.

0:33:36.373 --> 0:33:39.214
You know, that line, inside of that line,

0:33:39.455 --> 0:33:42.693
you know, the quarterback, that –

0:33:42.693 --> 0:33:43.255
Great job.

0:33:43.474 --> 0:33:44.455
You know what I'm saying?

0:33:44.516 --> 0:33:46.597
His mindset, what he has moving forward.

0:33:47.078 --> 0:33:48.641
He's not even thinking about last year.

0:33:49.642 --> 0:33:50.362
You know what I'm saying?

0:33:50.702 --> 0:33:51.844
He's washed his hands with it.

0:33:51.864 --> 0:33:52.904
He can't even give y'all no

0:33:53.605 --> 0:33:54.606
examples at the moment

0:33:54.626 --> 0:33:55.708
because we're moving forward.

0:33:55.748 --> 0:33:56.669
And that's how you got to be.

0:33:57.049 --> 0:33:58.290
Because when we had Kyron on,

0:33:58.310 --> 0:33:59.011
he talked about it.

0:33:59.784 --> 0:34:01.464
And we'll talk about it a little bit more.

0:34:01.644 --> 0:34:03.125
It's a 12-team playoff next year.

0:34:03.586 --> 0:34:03.766
Yep.

0:34:04.226 --> 0:34:05.926
It's not far-fetched to get

0:34:05.987 --> 0:34:08.588
into that playoff for anybody right now,

0:34:09.188 --> 0:34:11.809
you know, especially ACC teams.

0:34:11.969 --> 0:34:13.550
So great interview, man.

0:34:13.610 --> 0:34:15.371
It was good to hear him talk

0:34:15.411 --> 0:34:17.273
about the things that –

0:34:17.273 --> 0:34:18.514
that they're doing moving forward.

0:34:18.574 --> 0:34:19.695
What you thinking about it, Curtis?

0:34:20.195 --> 0:34:21.195
Well, to me,

0:34:21.215 --> 0:34:22.155
it was just talking to him how

0:34:22.195 --> 0:34:22.777
loose he was.

0:34:22.836 --> 0:34:24.777
And Sheldon, you made a point about,

0:34:24.898 --> 0:34:25.177
you know,

0:34:25.318 --> 0:34:26.978
having the abilities to

0:34:27.039 --> 0:34:28.739
interview the coaches now

0:34:28.820 --> 0:34:30.021
and the players without, you know,

0:34:30.041 --> 0:34:31.161
there's no pushback anymore.

0:34:31.782 --> 0:34:33.242
But there were a few times on there,

0:34:33.483 --> 0:34:34.164
we were getting ready to go

0:34:34.204 --> 0:34:35.965
to another question and he interjected.

0:34:36.565 --> 0:34:37.485
Like, he interjected.

0:34:37.525 --> 0:34:37.666
Like,

0:34:37.706 --> 0:34:39.268
he wanted to give more information

0:34:39.349 --> 0:34:39.768
out there.

0:34:40.429 --> 0:34:42.632
And you can tell he enjoys

0:34:42.672 --> 0:34:43.474
what he does because

0:34:43.514 --> 0:34:44.976
talking like the offensive – listen,

0:34:45.297 --> 0:34:47.340
when he started that helmet

0:34:47.380 --> 0:34:48.420
six inches outside,

0:34:48.460 --> 0:34:49.302
I thought Brian was going

0:34:49.322 --> 0:34:50.043
to get all giddy.

0:34:50.324 --> 0:34:51.045
I thought we were going to

0:34:51.105 --> 0:34:52.987
be able to do an hour-long –

0:34:52.987 --> 0:34:55.768
Talk about hand placement and kick steps.

0:34:56.047 --> 0:34:57.487
You know, you own it, you own it too, bro.

0:34:57.507 --> 0:34:58.407
Man, you know,

0:34:58.728 --> 0:35:00.148
we could have a conversation

0:35:00.188 --> 0:35:01.248
for a good while if we were

0:35:01.268 --> 0:35:01.949
just going to talk all

0:35:01.969 --> 0:35:02.909
about the line technique.

0:35:03.429 --> 0:35:04.929
But, I mean, the thing that impressed me,

0:35:04.949 --> 0:35:05.750
and I mean, you know,

0:35:05.909 --> 0:35:06.849
when I was looking at that

0:35:06.951 --> 0:35:07.911
kind of retrospective

0:35:07.951 --> 0:35:09.971
question and crafting that about,

0:35:10.291 --> 0:35:11.492
you know, Coach Freed, I was like,

0:35:11.552 --> 0:35:12.132
all right, so...

0:35:13.211 --> 0:35:14.313
I wanted to tie that in

0:35:14.353 --> 0:35:15.092
because I felt that was

0:35:15.152 --> 0:35:16.173
important with having that

0:35:16.233 --> 0:35:18.215
connection with another

0:35:18.275 --> 0:35:19.335
coach that had a really

0:35:19.376 --> 0:35:21.677
close connection with Frank Beamer,

0:35:22.237 --> 0:35:24.079
obviously, between the Citadel,

0:35:24.139 --> 0:35:24.880
Murray State,

0:35:25.519 --> 0:35:26.860
and just all those games

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:27.561
they played against each

0:35:27.621 --> 0:35:28.382
other when they were in the

0:35:28.422 --> 0:35:31.264
ACC before Frieden was out at Maryland.

0:35:32.043 --> 0:35:34.206
And having that with the

0:35:34.266 --> 0:35:35.445
James Franklin connection

0:35:35.487 --> 0:35:37.268
at Maryland and then all of that,

0:35:37.307 --> 0:35:38.809
I felt that was important.

0:35:38.829 --> 0:35:40.550
But kind of what we got out of that is –

0:35:41.686 --> 0:35:41.927
You know,

0:35:42.708 --> 0:35:44.668
we've got Tyler Bowen in the

0:35:44.708 --> 0:35:45.670
quarterback room now,

0:35:45.829 --> 0:35:47.751
and that started at Maryland.

0:35:48.572 --> 0:35:48.773
Yeah.

0:35:49.373 --> 0:35:50.934
And that's kind of the crazy

0:35:50.974 --> 0:35:53.155
full circle stuff that

0:35:53.175 --> 0:35:54.516
we're dealing with here and

0:35:54.536 --> 0:35:55.217
that we were able to kind

0:35:55.257 --> 0:35:56.619
of talk about and hash out there.

0:35:56.659 --> 0:35:58.039
So that was really impressive for me.

0:35:59.101 --> 0:35:59.320
Yeah.

0:35:59.340 --> 0:36:03.003
And then the RPO, TTO, PRO.

0:36:03.585 --> 0:36:03.804
Yeah.

0:36:04.164 --> 0:36:04.666
Get it right.

0:36:05.266 --> 0:36:07.168
It ain't just an RPO every damn time,

0:36:07.188 --> 0:36:07.467
y'all.

0:36:08.293 --> 0:36:09.094
And you learned that here on

0:36:09.114 --> 0:36:10.634
the Boundary Corner podcast today.

0:36:10.675 --> 0:36:12.275
There's multiple variations

0:36:12.315 --> 0:36:13.215
of what they're doing.

0:36:15.135 --> 0:36:16.315
But, again, overall,

0:36:16.356 --> 0:36:17.835
just talking with Tyler, again,

0:36:18.596 --> 0:36:19.675
seems very genuine.

0:36:21.217 --> 0:36:22.836
You know, obviously, Avelino's,

0:36:23.516 --> 0:36:24.577
I looked up the menu.

0:36:24.876 --> 0:36:25.277
I mean,

0:36:25.458 --> 0:36:27.938
it's an Italian place where they do

0:36:27.978 --> 0:36:28.277
steak.

0:36:28.577 --> 0:36:30.599
They do all sorts of food.

0:36:31.119 --> 0:36:32.179
We might hit it up the next

0:36:32.219 --> 0:36:34.139
time we are in Blacksburg, boys.

0:36:34.739 --> 0:36:36.340
But, again, it was great.

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:37.179
Huh?

0:36:37.659 --> 0:36:38.201
Spring game.

0:36:38.661 --> 0:36:39.103
Spring game.

0:36:39.903 --> 0:36:40.445
We're going to try.

0:36:40.465 --> 0:36:41.045
Brian's already there.

0:36:41.065 --> 0:36:41.586
He's definitely there.

0:36:41.626 --> 0:36:42.768
I've already booked the hotel, man.

0:36:42.789 --> 0:36:43.731
We in.

0:36:44.632 --> 0:36:45.052
He's in.

0:36:45.713 --> 0:36:46.275
I'm going to try.

0:36:46.795 --> 0:36:47.137
I'm going to try.

0:36:47.157 --> 0:36:47.737
I hope you try.

0:36:48.751 --> 0:36:49.632
I know you're busy, though,

0:36:49.672 --> 0:36:50.271
because they got you

0:36:50.291 --> 0:36:51.632
traveling for work all over the place.

0:36:51.672 --> 0:36:51.992
That's all right.

0:36:52.012 --> 0:36:52.932
I'm going to try.

0:36:52.952 --> 0:36:53.793
I'm trying to get up in there.

0:36:54.213 --> 0:36:54.954
He's going to try to find a

0:36:55.034 --> 0:36:56.534
conference in Roanoke that week.

0:36:56.574 --> 0:36:58.474
Yeah, I should go there to do my training.

0:36:59.195 --> 0:36:59.474
Right.

0:37:00.755 --> 0:37:01.576
That'd be hilarious.

0:37:01.596 --> 0:37:02.295
All right.

0:37:02.376 --> 0:37:04.056
So, again, we, again,

0:37:04.077 --> 0:37:05.297
appreciate Coach Bowen.

0:37:05.536 --> 0:37:06.838
Also, shout out Travis Wells.

0:37:06.858 --> 0:37:07.538
We had a couple minutes to

0:37:07.557 --> 0:37:08.358
talk with him as we were

0:37:08.378 --> 0:37:11.619
getting – Travis has been –

0:37:11.619 --> 0:37:13.019
And I've said it a couple times.

0:37:13.420 --> 0:37:15.121
Travis has been such a great

0:37:15.161 --> 0:37:17.463
help to us getting the players,

0:37:17.503 --> 0:37:18.144
getting the coaches,

0:37:18.204 --> 0:37:20.887
working with us at all points in time.

0:37:20.927 --> 0:37:22.447
And it's funny because, you know, Brian,

0:37:22.467 --> 0:37:24.030
we go back 25 years, man.

0:37:24.630 --> 0:37:26.132
We were watching as we were, you know,

0:37:26.211 --> 0:37:26.851
young teens.

0:37:26.931 --> 0:37:27.813
We were watching Travis

0:37:27.873 --> 0:37:30.916
Wells talk about sports on Channel 7.

0:37:30.916 --> 0:37:31.335
Oh, yeah.

0:37:31.976 --> 0:37:32.617
We email him.

0:37:32.637 --> 0:37:33.538
We talk to him on Zoom

0:37:33.557 --> 0:37:34.759
occasionally and say, what's up?

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:36.559
The world's crazy, man.

0:37:36.579 --> 0:37:37.181
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so let's roll in and talk a

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little Hokies hoops,

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and let's talk with these lady Hokies,

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because I'm starting to

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count the games here, y'all.

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That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

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Ten in a row since the loss at Duke.

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They go into Louisville Sunday afternoon,

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and they beat the living

0:39:26.958 --> 0:39:28.278
hell out of Louisville.

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They beat them by 16.

0:39:29.478 --> 0:39:30.800
It could have been more.

0:39:32.068 --> 0:39:33.228
I mean, y'all,

0:39:33.769 --> 0:39:35.652
does it feel like 2023 again?

0:39:35.972 --> 0:39:37.193
They're getting hot right

0:39:37.233 --> 0:39:37.914
down the stretch.

0:39:38.934 --> 0:39:39.215
Sheldon,

0:39:39.235 --> 0:39:40.976
I know you've been paying attention, man.

0:39:41.036 --> 0:39:42.318
What's going on with the ladies?

0:39:42.398 --> 0:39:44.701
And, I mean, are those additions,

0:39:45.822 --> 0:39:46.563
is it starting to click?

0:39:47.579 --> 0:39:48.101
I think it is.

0:39:48.221 --> 0:39:49.202
And funny enough, you know,

0:39:49.302 --> 0:39:50.103
it came under similar

0:39:50.143 --> 0:39:51.425
circumstances last year

0:39:51.465 --> 0:39:53.106
because you recall Tech got

0:39:53.126 --> 0:39:54.248
blown up by Duke last year.

0:39:54.268 --> 0:39:55.610
And that's when they won, I think,

0:39:55.610 --> 0:39:57.391
14 straight to close out

0:39:57.871 --> 0:39:59.393
the season before losing the Final Four.

0:39:59.414 --> 0:40:00.554
And then this year they get

0:40:00.574 --> 0:40:01.436
blown up by Duke again.

0:40:01.456 --> 0:40:02.958
And then now they're starting.

0:40:02.978 --> 0:40:03.759
I think they've won eight in

0:40:03.778 --> 0:40:04.940
a row or nine in a row.

0:40:05.061 --> 0:40:05.201
So.

0:40:06.096 --> 0:40:06.976
Kind of funny how that works out.

0:40:07.016 --> 0:40:08.737
But yeah, I think they've, you know,

0:40:08.757 --> 0:40:09.637
they've really started to click.

0:40:09.657 --> 0:40:10.798
And throughout this course of the season,

0:40:10.818 --> 0:40:12.460
Kenny's always been talking about how,

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:13.081
you know,

0:40:13.121 --> 0:40:15.362
it takes time for the incoming

0:40:15.442 --> 0:40:17.202
transfer players to gel and

0:40:17.222 --> 0:40:18.244
sort of find their roles.

0:40:18.784 --> 0:40:19.505
And I think now they're

0:40:19.525 --> 0:40:20.385
starting to find their roles.

0:40:20.585 --> 0:40:22.286
And, you know, part of that is rotations.

0:40:22.387 --> 0:40:24.248
Part of that is, I think, you know,

0:40:24.307 --> 0:40:25.188
players knowing where they

0:40:25.208 --> 0:40:25.969
need to be defensively

0:40:25.989 --> 0:40:27.769
because Kenny Brooks runs defensively.

0:40:28.577 --> 0:40:28.757
You know,

0:40:28.797 --> 0:40:30.739
sort of a version of the Pac-1

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:31.702
defense where, you know,

0:40:32.001 --> 0:40:33.143
it's all predicated on health.

0:40:33.302 --> 0:40:34.465
And he said before,

0:40:34.485 --> 0:40:36.086
this team is not the best

0:40:36.186 --> 0:40:37.809
at individual defense, one-on-one defense,

0:40:37.849 --> 0:40:38.668
they would not do very well,

0:40:39.030 --> 0:40:41.152
but they do play very good team defense.

0:40:41.592 --> 0:40:43.695
And that only comes through, you know,

0:40:44.516 --> 0:40:45.516
having game experience and

0:40:45.536 --> 0:40:46.197
knowing where you need to

0:40:46.237 --> 0:40:46.838
be at all times.

0:40:47.219 --> 0:40:48.438
So I think I think as they

0:40:48.559 --> 0:40:49.679
as they get more minutes together,

0:40:49.780 --> 0:40:50.900
as they get more more

0:40:50.940 --> 0:40:51.780
experience and they play

0:40:51.820 --> 0:40:53.541
together as a team, you know,

0:40:53.561 --> 0:40:54.340
you're starting to see them

0:40:54.380 --> 0:40:55.380
really sort of come together.

0:40:55.460 --> 0:40:56.880
And I think, you know,

0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:57.802
Kenny's done just a

0:40:57.862 --> 0:40:59.101
fantastic job coaching

0:40:59.121 --> 0:41:00.081
these past few seasons.

0:41:00.961 --> 0:41:01.202
You know,

0:41:01.282 --> 0:41:02.643
he is even if you just take out

0:41:02.663 --> 0:41:04.742
how good he is as a recruiter, he is,

0:41:04.782 --> 0:41:05.282
in my opinion,

0:41:05.322 --> 0:41:06.523
one of the best coaches in

0:41:06.543 --> 0:41:07.724
women's college basketball for sure.

0:41:10.255 --> 0:41:11.077
Tally, we know.

0:41:11.498 --> 0:41:13.420
Tally, y'all, a couple weeks ago,

0:41:14.161 --> 0:41:14.961
basketball heard him.

0:41:15.001 --> 0:41:16.503
He ain't turned a pitch on.

0:41:16.523 --> 0:41:18.106
So, Tally, it is nine in a row.

0:41:18.606 --> 0:41:19.646
They're ranked number eight

0:41:19.666 --> 0:41:20.288
in the country.

0:41:21.009 --> 0:41:21.329
And, again,

0:41:21.349 --> 0:41:22.050
does it feel like 2023 when

0:41:22.090 --> 0:41:24.572
y'all are both starting to kick off?

0:41:24.833 --> 0:41:26.255
You know, I pay attention to the ladies.

0:41:26.315 --> 0:41:27.217
That's real basketball.

0:41:29.099 --> 0:41:29.880
I pay attention to them.

0:41:30.938 --> 0:41:34.161
I watch my girls, Georgia and Liz.

0:41:34.342 --> 0:41:35.041
You know,

0:41:35.583 --> 0:41:37.704
they doing what needs to be done

0:41:37.784 --> 0:41:38.324
on the court.

0:41:38.485 --> 0:41:39.264
You know what I'm saying?

0:41:39.324 --> 0:41:41.347
So I'm paying attention to them.

0:41:41.467 --> 0:41:42.847
Kenny, keep doing your thing.

0:41:43.429 --> 0:41:44.849
Ladies, keep showing out.

0:41:45.650 --> 0:41:47.271
I got a little bit of a bone to pick.

0:41:47.572 --> 0:41:48.773
I don't understand how we

0:41:48.813 --> 0:41:51.054
keep on getting put behind

0:41:51.434 --> 0:41:52.454
North Carolina State.

0:41:52.815 --> 0:41:53.076
Yes.

0:41:53.916 --> 0:41:56.778
When we done beat that ass a couple times.

0:41:58.018 --> 0:41:59.320
I know they only lost three games.

0:41:59.380 --> 0:42:00.199
They're a pretty good team.

0:42:00.219 --> 0:42:00.800
They are.

0:42:01.039 --> 0:42:02.201
But two of them three losses

0:42:02.221 --> 0:42:03.400
then came to the Hokies, man.

0:42:04.342 --> 0:42:05.041
If y'all want to come out

0:42:05.061 --> 0:42:05.842
with these predictions,

0:42:05.882 --> 0:42:06.523
you know what I'm saying,

0:42:06.543 --> 0:42:07.143
put us in front of them.

0:42:07.503 --> 0:42:08.242
That's all I'm saying.

0:42:08.262 --> 0:42:12.304
I watched a little bit of

0:42:13.425 --> 0:42:15.786
the Duke game towards the end,

0:42:16.007 --> 0:42:18.507
and it's just, man, they don't flinch.

0:42:18.748 --> 0:42:19.507
You know what I'm saying?

0:42:19.547 --> 0:42:21.469
Like, when it's time for a big shot,

0:42:22.610 --> 0:42:24.871
you know, Georgia's hitting shots,

0:42:24.951 --> 0:42:26.891
and Lee is just –

0:42:26.891 --> 0:42:28.452
She looks like Dirk out there, man.

0:42:28.492 --> 0:42:29.112
She's hitting that

0:42:29.193 --> 0:42:31.875
turnaround off one leg and

0:42:31.914 --> 0:42:32.775
you can't block it.

0:42:33.275 --> 0:42:34.597
She looks like Dirk out there.

0:42:34.996 --> 0:42:36.757
It's been fun to watch, man.

0:42:37.137 --> 0:42:37.978
They play to their strengths.

0:42:37.998 --> 0:42:39.780
They play together and they

0:42:39.820 --> 0:42:42.641
have the skill set to go

0:42:42.661 --> 0:42:43.561
deep in the tournament.

0:42:44.481 --> 0:42:45.563
I'll say that about the ladies.

0:42:45.603 --> 0:42:46.284
Kudos to them.

0:42:47.063 --> 0:42:48.204
Brian, what you got, man?

0:42:48.724 --> 0:42:49.304
I'll say this.

0:42:49.786 --> 0:42:51.186
I think one thing I'm seeing

0:42:51.907 --> 0:42:53.708
maybe compared to last year is that

0:42:54.679 --> 0:42:55.519
when it's crunch time,

0:42:55.539 --> 0:42:56.679
there's like zero panic.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.202
Like they, they are, they are cool.

0:42:59.262 --> 0:43:00.163
They know they got it.

0:43:00.202 --> 0:43:02.244
They know that they they're in control.

0:43:03.565 --> 0:43:05.565
So when it does get to those

0:43:05.626 --> 0:43:06.527
points where the game gets

0:43:06.586 --> 0:43:07.186
a little tighter,

0:43:07.226 --> 0:43:08.847
there's a run from the other side.

0:43:08.867 --> 0:43:09.809
Um,

0:43:09.829 --> 0:43:11.210
they're able to kind of quickly counter

0:43:11.250 --> 0:43:15.172
that stay confident, stay, uh,

0:43:15.311 --> 0:43:16.893
stay within the game plan.

0:43:17.673 --> 0:43:18.635
Um, you know, never,

0:43:18.655 --> 0:43:19.554
never really any sort of

0:43:19.594 --> 0:43:20.476
panic mode for them.

0:43:20.615 --> 0:43:20.715
So,

0:43:21.411 --> 0:43:22.391
think that's that's a big

0:43:22.452 --> 0:43:23.733
thing that I'm seeing from

0:43:23.793 --> 0:43:24.853
this team at this point and

0:43:25.434 --> 0:43:26.155
you know you start getting

0:43:26.175 --> 0:43:28.155
those uh transfer portal

0:43:28.195 --> 0:43:29.077
folks that are starting to

0:43:29.097 --> 0:43:30.438
gel within the system um

0:43:30.898 --> 0:43:32.559
you're seeing it a lot on

0:43:32.599 --> 0:43:34.199
both ends so offense I

0:43:34.219 --> 0:43:35.320
think gets gets a lot of

0:43:35.380 --> 0:43:37.063
the the hype there but I

0:43:37.103 --> 0:43:38.123
think defense is where it's

0:43:38.163 --> 0:43:40.164
showing up the most I think

0:43:40.184 --> 0:43:41.226
defensively they've just

0:43:41.246 --> 0:43:42.365
been a lot tighter

0:43:42.405 --> 0:43:44.367
especially in the last uh several weeks

0:43:45.583 --> 0:43:46.503
Yeah,

0:43:46.523 --> 0:43:47.864
me and Brian talked about that the

0:43:47.905 --> 0:43:49.367
other day about these ladies about,

0:43:49.786 --> 0:43:50.068
you know,

0:43:50.148 --> 0:43:52.469
Sumel and Eck and Wenzel

0:43:52.931 --> 0:43:55.233
starting to take roles within the team.

0:43:55.833 --> 0:43:57.114
And Shelton, you just said it.

0:43:57.175 --> 0:43:58.056
Kenny said it earlier.

0:43:58.295 --> 0:43:59.536
We've got to gel and you're

0:43:59.556 --> 0:44:01.559
starting to see that gelling factor.

0:44:02.059 --> 0:44:03.902
And now it's not all on Liz

0:44:03.942 --> 0:44:05.483
and it's not all on Georgia.

0:44:05.563 --> 0:44:06.864
You know, Wenzel had eight points.

0:44:07.802 --> 0:44:09.902
on Sunday that's that's huge

0:44:09.943 --> 0:44:11.123
because we know Wenzel is

0:44:11.143 --> 0:44:12.324
Georgia's backup and if she

0:44:12.344 --> 0:44:13.125
can come in and get eight

0:44:13.144 --> 0:44:14.286
points every time and take

0:44:14.306 --> 0:44:15.306
that pressure off Georgia I

0:44:16.186 --> 0:44:17.927
mean me and Brian were just

0:44:17.967 --> 0:44:19.389
saying what if they put

0:44:19.429 --> 0:44:20.108
both of them on the court

0:44:20.128 --> 0:44:20.949
at the same time and you

0:44:20.969 --> 0:44:23.190
let Georgia run around like

0:44:23.951 --> 0:44:24.972
you want to talk about just

0:44:25.751 --> 0:44:27.012
making a defense like

0:44:27.152 --> 0:44:28.353
stretch like this between

0:44:28.414 --> 0:44:29.494
Liz on the post and the way

0:44:29.534 --> 0:44:30.534
Georgia can shoot threes

0:44:31.014 --> 0:44:31.835
I'm going to be interested

0:44:31.916 --> 0:44:33.436
to see what goes on down

0:44:33.476 --> 0:44:34.157
the stretch but these

0:44:34.217 --> 0:44:35.438
ladies are playing fabulous

0:44:35.788 --> 0:44:36.128
Yeah,

0:44:36.208 --> 0:44:37.371
and I think another thing to talk

0:44:37.411 --> 0:44:40.659
about is just the number of

0:44:40.739 --> 0:44:41.681
folks in the rotation.

0:44:41.702 --> 0:44:41.862
I mean,

0:44:41.882 --> 0:44:42.963
last year was pretty much a

0:44:43.585 --> 0:44:44.708
six-person rotation.

0:44:45.911 --> 0:44:46.811
pretty much for the whole year.

0:44:46.831 --> 0:44:48.032
And like, you're seeing more of a,

0:44:48.132 --> 0:44:49.692
more of eight, uh, this year,

0:44:49.711 --> 0:44:51.072
I think that's going to play,

0:44:52.213 --> 0:44:53.132
play good in, in the,

0:44:53.152 --> 0:44:54.233
when we get to tournament time,

0:44:54.273 --> 0:44:55.653
because when you have eight,

0:44:55.813 --> 0:44:57.074
you can't just get worn down.

0:44:57.094 --> 0:44:58.135
You can't get beat up.

0:44:58.835 --> 0:44:58.974
Um,

0:44:59.375 --> 0:45:01.155
that was really the only thing that was

0:45:01.856 --> 0:45:03.097
beating us last year was

0:45:03.137 --> 0:45:04.496
just that fatigue factor.

0:45:04.697 --> 0:45:06.338
Um, I think you get eight, you know,

0:45:06.358 --> 0:45:07.478
an eight, an eight rotation.

0:45:07.518 --> 0:45:08.358
I think that's going to be a

0:45:08.418 --> 0:45:10.079
big boom when it comes to playoff time.

0:45:11.108 --> 0:45:11.869
Yeah,

0:45:11.889 --> 0:45:13.188
and they also have depth at the right

0:45:13.248 --> 0:45:13.548
spots.

0:45:13.648 --> 0:45:15.349
So they've got, you know, Carly Winslow,

0:45:15.389 --> 0:45:17.150
who can come in as a backup point guard.

0:45:17.590 --> 0:45:18.152
And they've also got

0:45:18.211 --> 0:45:19.112
Claire's track at forward

0:45:19.132 --> 0:45:19.972
who can back up Liz.

0:45:20.012 --> 0:45:21.112
And we'll see, you know,

0:45:21.432 --> 0:45:22.693
Claire and Liz play at the same time.

0:45:22.793 --> 0:45:24.414
So, you know, last year,

0:45:24.434 --> 0:45:25.574
I think it was it was

0:45:25.615 --> 0:45:26.615
mainly Deja Gregg who came

0:45:26.635 --> 0:45:27.315
off the bench as sort of

0:45:27.335 --> 0:45:28.396
like a defensive stopper.

0:45:28.817 --> 0:45:30.197
But now, you know, you've got.

0:45:30.657 --> 0:45:32.018
you know, a backup for your,

0:45:32.197 --> 0:45:33.539
for your forward and your point guard.

0:45:33.599 --> 0:45:34.159
I mean, that's a,

0:45:34.199 --> 0:45:35.199
that's a really big luxury.

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:36.338
And, you know, obviously with,

0:45:36.478 --> 0:45:38.139
with Liz and Claire on at the same time,

0:45:38.179 --> 0:45:39.539
that's just gotta be a nightmare for,

0:45:39.860 --> 0:45:41.181
for teams to try to rebound

0:45:41.260 --> 0:45:42.001
and defend against.

0:45:43.501 --> 0:45:44.061
Absolutely.

0:45:44.081 --> 0:45:44.601
All right.

0:45:44.702 --> 0:45:45.981
So let's put the ladies.

0:45:46.202 --> 0:45:46.742
They're up here.

0:45:46.782 --> 0:45:48.021
They're on our pedestal right now.

0:45:48.461 --> 0:45:50.943
And let's talk about the men's team.

0:45:51.362 --> 0:45:53.844
Shelton foreshadowed this a little earlier,

0:45:53.884 --> 0:45:55.623
and I'm sure everybody's seen the score.

0:45:57.164 --> 0:45:58.304
Hokies win last night.

0:45:59.304 --> 0:46:01.766
75-41 over the number 21

0:46:01.766 --> 0:46:03.106
ranked UVA Cavaliers.

0:46:03.726 --> 0:46:04.686
We'll repeat that again.

0:46:04.706 --> 0:46:04.726
75-41.

0:46:04.746 --> 0:46:11.851
Does anybody, Sheldon, Tally, Brian,

0:46:11.931 --> 0:46:13.552
what's the explanation for this team?

0:46:13.952 --> 0:46:15.333
Because you don't go shell

0:46:15.373 --> 0:46:17.594
somebody like that and have

0:46:17.695 --> 0:46:18.735
some of the games we've had.

0:46:20.255 --> 0:46:21.476
I mean, they play – yeah,

0:46:21.496 --> 0:46:22.197
we talked about it earlier.

0:46:22.237 --> 0:46:23.737
They play good to great at home,

0:46:23.797 --> 0:46:26.297
and then the away has not

0:46:26.338 --> 0:46:27.059
looked very good.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.039
So I don't think we probably

0:46:30.079 --> 0:46:30.980
thought that we'd see the

0:46:31.039 --> 0:46:34.940
extreme of that that we saw last night.

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:35.942
Hell no.

0:46:36.001 --> 0:46:38.583
But, you know, I'll take it.

0:46:39.463 --> 0:46:40.262
Sean, what did you see?

0:46:40.282 --> 0:46:41.204
You clearly watched it,

0:46:41.224 --> 0:46:42.704
or I don't know if you

0:46:42.724 --> 0:46:43.505
watched it live or you

0:46:43.864 --> 0:46:45.465
caught it on recording.

0:46:46.365 --> 0:46:47.206
What did you – I mean –

0:46:48.186 --> 0:46:51.148
To me, a team who's higher record,

0:46:52.309 --> 0:46:53.170
I don't give a shit if it's

0:46:53.190 --> 0:46:53.751
your rival or not.

0:46:53.771 --> 0:46:54.550
You don't beat the shit out

0:46:54.590 --> 0:46:55.472
of somebody like that.

0:46:57.032 --> 0:46:59.034
Yeah, I mean, it was a crazy game.

0:46:59.054 --> 0:46:59.974
They were hitting on all cylinders.

0:47:00.014 --> 0:47:01.376
I thought offensively Tech

0:47:01.456 --> 0:47:03.896
made – they always made the extra pass,

0:47:04.097 --> 0:47:05.797
and they hit shots when

0:47:05.818 --> 0:47:07.219
they had open books.

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:11.362
I think defensively they played very well.

0:47:11.442 --> 0:47:12.882
They shut down Beekman completely.

0:47:13.302 --> 0:47:14.425
They shut down Jake Rose,

0:47:14.485 --> 0:47:16.007
who is UVA's best three-point shooter.

0:47:16.027 --> 0:47:17.849
He's hitting like 50% this year,

0:47:17.869 --> 0:47:19.471
which I think is sixth best

0:47:19.490 --> 0:47:20.050
in the country.

0:47:20.452 --> 0:47:21.472
He did not have a single

0:47:21.512 --> 0:47:22.715
three-point attempt in this game.

0:47:23.094 --> 0:47:25.137
So they did a fantastic job on them.

0:47:25.177 --> 0:47:26.760
And those are really UVA's

0:47:26.780 --> 0:47:27.981
two biggest threats outside

0:47:28.001 --> 0:47:29.121
of Isaac McNeely.

0:47:29.882 --> 0:47:31.025
But I think big picture...

0:47:32.302 --> 0:47:33.282
UVA to me is a team that's

0:47:33.302 --> 0:47:34.963
been skating on really, really thin ice.

0:47:35.344 --> 0:47:36.784
They've won a bunch of close ball games.

0:47:37.364 --> 0:47:38.806
All of their losses are by

0:47:38.865 --> 0:47:39.746
very large margins,

0:47:39.806 --> 0:47:41.246
which is why the metrics

0:47:41.286 --> 0:47:42.047
don't like them a lot.

0:47:42.568 --> 0:47:44.528
So to me, I know they've got 20 wins,

0:47:44.688 --> 0:47:46.349
and I know they're a good team,

0:47:46.829 --> 0:47:48.050
but I just never really saw

0:47:48.090 --> 0:47:49.572
them as a real contending

0:47:49.632 --> 0:47:51.432
team as far as the postseason goes.

0:47:52.012 --> 0:47:53.793
So Tech was favored by three.

0:47:54.393 --> 0:47:55.175
I thought they would win.

0:47:55.295 --> 0:47:56.835
I did not expect them to win by this much,

0:47:56.856 --> 0:47:57.456
but I think it's a

0:47:57.476 --> 0:47:59.436
combination of a team that

0:47:59.516 --> 0:48:00.438
usually plays well at home,

0:48:01.057 --> 0:48:01.798
playing against a team that

0:48:01.838 --> 0:48:03.099
really always plays poorly

0:48:03.139 --> 0:48:04.141
on the road in UVA.

0:48:06.623 --> 0:48:08.123
Tally, did you look up the stats?

0:48:08.143 --> 0:48:09.344
Did you look up the highlights?

0:48:09.445 --> 0:48:10.606
Are they still on here?

0:48:10.786 --> 0:48:11.666
It ain't no need to.

0:48:11.967 --> 0:48:12.827
It ain't no need to.

0:48:13.208 --> 0:48:14.108
When you beat the shit out

0:48:14.128 --> 0:48:16.510
of somebody 75 to 41,

0:48:16.510 --> 0:48:18.572
that means you made some shots.

0:48:19.193 --> 0:48:20.054
They didn't make shit.

0:48:21.494 --> 0:48:22.936
Sheldon, how many threes did UVA hit?

0:48:23.077 --> 0:48:23.757
One or two?

0:48:28.505 --> 0:48:29.086
Yeah, probably.

0:48:30.286 --> 0:48:31.867
They probably hit one or two threes.

0:48:32.349 --> 0:48:33.309
That means somebody was

0:48:33.329 --> 0:48:34.369
running them off the line.

0:48:35.811 --> 0:48:37.231
We probably shot 53s.

0:48:37.291 --> 0:48:38.572
I don't know how many threes we shot.

0:48:38.592 --> 0:48:38.572
23.

0:48:39.032 --> 0:48:39.934
We hit about 10.

0:48:39.994 --> 0:48:40.114
8 of 23.

0:48:40.753 --> 0:48:42.255
The problem is we live and

0:48:42.295 --> 0:48:42.956
die by the three,

0:48:42.976 --> 0:48:44.056
but a lot of times when you

0:48:44.396 --> 0:48:45.376
live and die by the three,

0:48:46.418 --> 0:48:48.259
the defense is out of position

0:48:58.173 --> 0:48:59.293
getting back trying to stop

0:48:59.333 --> 0:48:59.873
the other team.

0:49:01.094 --> 0:49:02.775
Without watching any of this game,

0:49:03.556 --> 0:49:04.436
they just played better

0:49:04.476 --> 0:49:05.476
defense in this game and

0:49:05.496 --> 0:49:07.677
they ran UVA off the spots.

0:49:07.717 --> 0:49:11.777
It comes down to probably playing at home.

0:49:12.757 --> 0:49:13.938
Being comfortable there.

0:49:14.958 --> 0:49:17.898
A rivalry game is exactly what it is.

0:49:18.059 --> 0:49:19.219
No matter what sport it is,

0:49:19.300 --> 0:49:21.320
you got to throw the record

0:49:21.340 --> 0:49:22.780
side of the window and you

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:24.501
just got to go play ball.

0:49:24.541 --> 0:49:26.262
Sometimes when a team starts to get beat,

0:49:26.342 --> 0:49:26.681
it's like

0:49:27.601 --> 0:49:28.103
They give up,

0:49:28.342 --> 0:49:29.764
and that's probably what UVA did.

0:49:29.844 --> 0:49:31.606
It's like, fuck it, this ain't our night.

0:49:32.246 --> 0:49:33.347
They only hit two threes

0:49:33.527 --> 0:49:35.130
with as many shooters as

0:49:35.190 --> 0:49:36.931
they have or how good they

0:49:36.972 --> 0:49:37.791
kind of shoot the three.

0:49:39.313 --> 0:49:40.574
It's probably a rough night for them.

0:49:40.614 --> 0:49:42.376
So they scored 41 points.

0:49:42.396 --> 0:49:44.278
Their high man probably had six points.

0:49:46.240 --> 0:49:48.483
The third high score was six points.

0:49:48.503 --> 0:49:49.985
So you ain't far off.

0:49:51.085 --> 0:49:51.666
It was wild.

0:49:51.706 --> 0:49:51.865
Like,

0:49:51.885 --> 0:49:53.807
when you look at the Hokies box score,

0:49:53.827 --> 0:49:55.731
I mean, nobody really went off.

0:49:56.632 --> 0:49:57.672
It was just a complete

0:49:58.233 --> 0:50:00.076
dominant effort across the board.

0:50:00.135 --> 0:50:00.356
I mean,

0:50:00.856 --> 0:50:02.018
probably Nickel had one of his

0:50:02.057 --> 0:50:03.780
better games overall.

0:50:03.820 --> 0:50:04.820
But, I mean, outside of that,

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:05.722
no one really went.

0:50:06.581 --> 0:50:08.483
off relative to their normal average.

0:50:08.543 --> 0:50:10.824
It was just everybody was doing something.

0:50:11.704 --> 0:50:12.684
There wasn't really a weak

0:50:12.704 --> 0:50:14.085
spot in the lineup.

0:50:14.106 --> 0:50:16.987
When you got a team like Virginia Tech,

0:50:17.307 --> 0:50:20.009
you have to have a game like that to win.

0:50:20.088 --> 0:50:21.009
That's the way that they

0:50:21.048 --> 0:50:22.010
have to win because they

0:50:22.050 --> 0:50:25.010
don't have the guy or a guy.

0:50:25.030 --> 0:50:26.211
What we talked about earlier

0:50:26.351 --> 0:50:27.472
is you have to have

0:50:27.552 --> 0:50:28.632
everybody clicking on our

0:50:28.693 --> 0:50:29.594
cylinders just to

0:50:30.831 --> 0:50:32.391
I would say to play at a

0:50:32.431 --> 0:50:34.753
high level and win a game, but again,

0:50:35.333 --> 0:50:36.773
sometimes when the offense is going,

0:50:37.253 --> 0:50:40.353
it translates to defense and vice versa.

0:50:40.373 --> 0:50:42.795
You don't have to have

0:50:42.835 --> 0:50:44.375
somebody go for 30 points

0:50:44.474 --> 0:50:46.016
or 25 points if everybody's

0:50:46.036 --> 0:50:50.416
getting 10 to 14 or 11 here and 8 here.

0:50:50.436 --> 0:50:52.077
Everybody's doing that.

0:50:52.117 --> 0:50:52.677
If you're getting that

0:50:52.717 --> 0:50:53.838
poured in from everybody,

0:50:53.858 --> 0:50:58.958
then that's your formula to win.

0:50:58.978 --> 0:50:59.119
That's

0:51:01.027 --> 0:51:02.427
It's not a huge difference.

0:51:02.469 --> 0:51:03.469
It is a huge difference when

0:51:03.489 --> 0:51:04.570
you look at it from the

0:51:04.590 --> 0:51:06.853
sports aspect of somebody

0:51:06.873 --> 0:51:09.114
being a 20-win team to a 15-win team.

0:51:09.635 --> 0:51:11.456
But the skill level and the

0:51:11.557 --> 0:51:12.958
talent is not super

0:51:12.998 --> 0:51:14.239
different when you look at

0:51:14.260 --> 0:51:16.822
the NCAA basketball, men's basketball,

0:51:17.222 --> 0:51:20.045
of a 15-win team to a 20-win team.

0:51:20.487 --> 0:51:21.427
It just came down to...

0:51:22.108 --> 0:51:23.208
somebody won some close

0:51:23.248 --> 0:51:24.250
games and somebody lost

0:51:24.289 --> 0:51:25.851
some close games so I'm not

0:51:25.871 --> 0:51:27.653
saying like the you know

0:51:27.673 --> 0:51:29.175
the hokies are horrible I'm

0:51:29.195 --> 0:51:30.255
never watching them again

0:51:30.697 --> 0:51:31.557
but it's just like this

0:51:31.617 --> 0:51:34.159
year when it was time to go win a game

0:51:34.894 --> 0:51:35.974
We just didn't do it.

0:51:37.135 --> 0:51:38.956
We just didn't do it over and over.

0:51:39.255 --> 0:51:41.396
We didn't do the ones we should have won.

0:51:42.336 --> 0:51:43.436
That's the frustrating part

0:51:43.456 --> 0:51:45.456
because I think we look –

0:51:45.456 --> 0:51:47.197
Iowa State's a top, what,

0:51:47.217 --> 0:51:47.898
20-ranked team now?

0:51:47.938 --> 0:51:48.458
We beat them.

0:51:48.938 --> 0:51:50.637
We just smoked UVA.

0:51:50.858 --> 0:51:52.778
Vermont's always a good smaller school.

0:51:52.818 --> 0:51:53.478
We beat them.

0:51:54.539 --> 0:51:55.358
It's those little ones.

0:51:55.418 --> 0:51:56.018
It's Miami.

0:51:56.059 --> 0:51:57.059
It's the Notre Dames.

0:51:57.139 --> 0:51:58.320
It's those ones where it's like –

0:52:00.159 --> 0:52:02.360
If this team wins those

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.641
three or four games, 19-7,

0:52:04.661 --> 0:52:08.625
and we're sitting here – Shel, 19-7,

0:52:08.925 --> 0:52:09.585
are the Hokies in?

0:52:10.885 --> 0:52:11.186
I mean,

0:52:11.246 --> 0:52:12.586
depending on how you distribute the wins,

0:52:12.666 --> 0:52:14.768
I would say it's a pretty solid chance.

0:52:15.208 --> 0:52:15.469
Right.

0:52:16.409 --> 0:52:18.411
So – and I think that's

0:52:18.451 --> 0:52:19.391
probably what's frustrating

0:52:19.431 --> 0:52:21.132
Tally more is it's not that

0:52:21.152 --> 0:52:22.114
we can't beat the good teams.

0:52:22.193 --> 0:52:24.416
It's you see that Miami game

0:52:24.436 --> 0:52:25.335
and you have the lead and

0:52:25.376 --> 0:52:26.793
it's just like –

0:52:26.793 --> 0:52:27.713
It's a double-digit lead,

0:52:27.733 --> 0:52:28.534
and y'all couldn't close

0:52:28.554 --> 0:52:29.773
the sound in the last eight minutes.

0:52:30.054 --> 0:52:30.934
Are you kidding me?

0:52:30.974 --> 0:52:31.775
All right.

0:52:32.094 --> 0:52:32.514
Sorry, here.

0:52:32.815 --> 0:52:33.054
All right.

0:52:33.255 --> 0:52:34.175
So that's that.

0:52:34.376 --> 0:52:36.036
I'm sorry.

0:52:36.097 --> 0:52:37.277
I'm getting off of it, because if not.

0:52:37.916 --> 0:52:39.577
Sheldon, I know you got to go,

0:52:39.637 --> 0:52:40.697
but go ahead and plug it

0:52:41.318 --> 0:52:41.798
when it's going to be

0:52:41.818 --> 0:52:42.539
coming out and stuff.

0:52:43.501 --> 0:52:43.782
Yeah,

0:52:43.842 --> 0:52:46.422
so I wish I knew exactly within the

0:52:46.463 --> 0:52:48.945
next two days for sure on the key play.

0:52:49.545 --> 0:52:51.246
Just do a little break time of the game,

0:52:51.266 --> 0:52:52.206
talk about what the Hokies

0:52:52.246 --> 0:52:53.166
did well defensively,

0:52:53.706 --> 0:52:54.306
and maybe give some

0:52:54.327 --> 0:52:56.748
projections for going forward,

0:52:56.788 --> 0:52:58.469
just what they need to do to determine.

0:52:58.528 --> 0:53:00.010
Obviously, it's going to be a tough task.

0:53:00.050 --> 0:53:00.630
I think they're probably

0:53:00.650 --> 0:53:01.650
going to have to win,

0:53:01.690 --> 0:53:02.351
win out in the regular

0:53:02.371 --> 0:53:03.070
season essentially.

0:53:03.550 --> 0:53:04.552
But the door's open.

0:53:04.572 --> 0:53:05.711
I think it's about a 20%

0:53:05.711 --> 0:53:06.773
chance last time I checked.

0:53:06.873 --> 0:53:08.994
So, I mean, stranger things have happened,

0:53:09.014 --> 0:53:09.994
but we'll see how it goes.

0:53:10.295 --> 0:53:11.135
I think that's up from the

0:53:11.175 --> 0:53:12.436
last time we talked with you, sir.

0:53:12.456 --> 0:53:13.076
I guess that's it.

0:53:13.990 --> 0:53:14.711
That's progress.

0:53:15.253 --> 0:53:16.474
We're going to let Sheldon go.

0:53:16.514 --> 0:53:17.936
And in the words of Lois Christmas,

0:53:18.036 --> 0:53:19.157
you're saying there's a chance,

0:53:19.438 --> 0:53:20.981
even if it's a small one.

0:53:21.061 --> 0:53:22.103
I'm saying there's a chance.

0:53:22.123 --> 0:53:22.684
All right.

0:53:22.704 --> 0:53:23.123
There we go.

0:53:23.264 --> 0:53:24.867
Sheldon, get out there and get some rest.

0:53:24.887 --> 0:53:25.847
Finish that article up.

0:53:25.887 --> 0:53:26.748
Thanks for joining us for a

0:53:26.789 --> 0:53:27.891
little while tonight, man.

0:53:27.911 --> 0:53:28.070
Yep.

0:53:28.110 --> 0:53:28.552
Thanks, guys.

0:53:28.952 --> 0:53:29.592
Appreciate the show.

0:53:30.927 --> 0:53:31.367
All righty,

0:53:31.387 --> 0:53:32.668
we got just a few more things

0:53:32.708 --> 0:53:33.489
to hit here.

0:53:33.929 --> 0:53:36.152
And since the last time we talked,

0:53:36.853 --> 0:53:38.474
we got a couple more recruits, boys.

0:53:38.914 --> 0:53:40.014
We got a couple more recruits,

0:53:40.034 --> 0:53:42.536
so let's talk about them real quick here.

0:53:43.217 --> 0:53:44.838
Both from Green Run High

0:53:44.898 --> 0:53:47.862
School down in the 757 Virginia Beach.

0:53:48.362 --> 0:53:50.362
And I want to start with Jaden Anderson,

0:53:50.384 --> 0:53:51.503
5'11", 160-pound wide receiver.

0:53:54.887 --> 0:53:56.228
A lot of good offers here.

0:53:56.248 --> 0:53:58.768
Had looks from Auburn, Florida, Georgia,

0:53:59.369 --> 0:54:00.849
South Carolina, Miami.

0:54:02.670 --> 0:54:03.931
If you know where Green Run is,

0:54:04.911 --> 0:54:05.952
that's where Brody played.

0:54:05.992 --> 0:54:08.233
So he was effectively the

0:54:08.293 --> 0:54:09.594
second wide receiver there.

0:54:10.014 --> 0:54:11.635
And Brian, Tally,

0:54:11.655 --> 0:54:12.976
y'all got to kind of look at him.

0:54:12.996 --> 0:54:13.195
Tally,

0:54:13.215 --> 0:54:14.297
I'm going to let you go first

0:54:14.376 --> 0:54:16.018
because there was something

0:54:16.057 --> 0:54:20.585
you noticed about some of his tape that –

0:54:20.585 --> 0:54:22.347
he's only a three-star in 87

0:54:22.347 --> 0:54:23.666
right now but there was

0:54:23.706 --> 0:54:24.367
something you saw on the

0:54:24.387 --> 0:54:25.487
tape that probably kept him

0:54:25.507 --> 0:54:26.088
down a little bit I want

0:54:26.108 --> 0:54:27.048
you to mention that first

0:54:27.469 --> 0:54:29.068
yeah so you know he he's

0:54:29.108 --> 0:54:30.510
kind of a gadget player

0:54:30.530 --> 0:54:31.269
right now from what I've

0:54:31.289 --> 0:54:32.990
seen he's playing wide

0:54:33.010 --> 0:54:34.150
receiver he had a you know

0:54:34.170 --> 0:54:36.251
some I don't know exactly

0:54:36.271 --> 0:54:38.313
what his stats was but had

0:54:38.333 --> 0:54:39.693
some uh good production now

0:54:39.733 --> 0:54:40.634
but he also was playing

0:54:40.733 --> 0:54:42.134
quarterback you know what

0:54:42.153 --> 0:54:42.914
I'm saying so if you're

0:54:42.934 --> 0:54:44.195
evaluating him it's kind of

0:54:44.824 --> 0:54:46.083
When you're playing multiple positions,

0:54:46.123 --> 0:54:47.264
sometimes it's harder to

0:54:47.844 --> 0:54:49.364
get that true evaluation of

0:54:49.405 --> 0:54:51.085
where you are compared to

0:54:51.105 --> 0:54:52.445
the other people playing that position.

0:54:52.985 --> 0:54:55.686
So he was doing some Wildcat quarterback,

0:54:56.007 --> 0:54:57.086
but he's electric with the

0:54:57.106 --> 0:54:57.847
ball in his hands.

0:54:57.887 --> 0:54:58.507
He's fast.

0:55:00.387 --> 0:55:03.068
He's not a very big guy,

0:55:03.108 --> 0:55:06.048
but he runs bigger than what he is.

0:55:06.088 --> 0:55:08.108
He's not scared to deliver a blow.

0:55:08.769 --> 0:55:10.349
So he was a...

0:55:11.086 --> 0:55:12.266
watching a little bit of his family.

0:55:12.708 --> 0:55:13.427
Gotta be excited,

0:55:13.447 --> 0:55:14.827
like you can't miss on kids like that.

0:55:15.487 --> 0:55:17.568
So again,

0:55:17.608 --> 0:55:19.530
Chris put it in the chat right now.

0:55:19.550 --> 0:55:20.150
He said he played

0:55:20.190 --> 0:55:21.230
quarterback in the playoffs.

0:55:21.849 --> 0:55:22.431
You know what I'm saying?

0:55:22.471 --> 0:55:24.471
It's like he wants the ball in his hand.

0:55:24.530 --> 0:55:26.871
So when you have kids like

0:55:26.931 --> 0:55:29.893
that that are interested in

0:55:30.592 --> 0:55:31.572
coming to help build,

0:55:32.954 --> 0:55:33.793
you don't let them go.

0:55:33.994 --> 0:55:36.514
Because a kid like that was

0:55:36.594 --> 0:55:38.615
the kid who in the past we

0:55:38.655 --> 0:55:39.295
would overlook.

0:55:39.990 --> 0:55:41.092
And he'd go to Wake Forest

0:55:41.233 --> 0:55:43.014
or North Carolina,

0:55:43.255 --> 0:55:44.356
and we'd see him for four

0:55:44.396 --> 0:55:45.358
years or three years,

0:55:45.418 --> 0:55:47.500
and he'd absolutely murder

0:55:47.581 --> 0:55:48.722
us every time we played.

0:55:49.583 --> 0:55:51.826
So do not let them leave.

0:55:51.846 --> 0:55:52.547
There you go.

0:55:52.567 --> 0:55:53.208
You know what I'm saying?

0:55:53.248 --> 0:55:54.869
If they're wanting in, you let them in.

0:55:54.909 --> 0:55:57.952
So I'm really glad to start

0:55:57.994 --> 0:55:59.014
the class off with

0:56:00.047 --> 0:56:01.507
some positive traction.

0:56:01.987 --> 0:56:03.429
And again, like you said, Curtis,

0:56:03.568 --> 0:56:05.110
looking at his offer list,

0:56:05.130 --> 0:56:06.471
because I look at, I mean,

0:56:07.130 --> 0:56:07.952
none of that stuff means

0:56:08.012 --> 0:56:08.811
anything until you get on

0:56:08.831 --> 0:56:09.492
there and produce.

0:56:09.972 --> 0:56:11.813
They still got a whole other year,

0:56:12.273 --> 0:56:13.335
senior year to go in.

0:56:13.795 --> 0:56:15.675
But if you look at offers, man,

0:56:16.577 --> 0:56:18.177
the kid has got offers.

0:56:18.958 --> 0:56:20.159
Like you said, Auburn's there.

0:56:20.278 --> 0:56:21.099
He's had a couple of more

0:56:21.159 --> 0:56:22.760
people who are big-time

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.021
offers that was looking at him.

0:56:24.081 --> 0:56:25.842
So I'm glad we went on and

0:56:25.862 --> 0:56:26.382
snatched him up.

0:56:27.264 --> 0:56:28.826
100%.

0:56:27.284 --> 0:56:28.826
Brian, what did you see from the table?

0:56:28.846 --> 0:56:29.365
What did you like?

0:56:30.085 --> 0:56:32.086
Yeah, I mean, to piggyback off Tally there,

0:56:32.106 --> 0:56:34.168
I mean, talking about his versatility,

0:56:34.188 --> 0:56:35.088
but also this is going to

0:56:35.128 --> 0:56:35.907
be probably a year where

0:56:35.927 --> 0:56:37.228
he's going to get a lot

0:56:37.268 --> 0:56:38.268
more opportunity at that

0:56:38.329 --> 0:56:39.210
wide receiver spot.

0:56:39.250 --> 0:56:40.469
That might bump his rankings

0:56:40.610 --> 0:56:43.030
up as he kind of progresses through that.

0:56:43.130 --> 0:56:46.311
But, yeah, the thing I see – Brian,

0:56:46.472 --> 0:56:47.333
let me throw something out

0:56:47.393 --> 0:56:48.193
before you finish.

0:56:48.512 --> 0:56:48.773
Yeah.

0:56:48.873 --> 0:56:49.873
Because we hit on it a little bit,

0:56:49.914 --> 0:56:51.634
but I'm looking at just his

0:56:51.775 --> 0:56:52.474
offers right now.

0:56:53.740 --> 0:56:54.320
Per 247.

0:56:54.380 --> 0:56:56.682
So if they wrong, y'all jump on their ass,

0:56:56.722 --> 0:56:57.204
not mine.

0:56:57.884 --> 0:57:02.429
They say Auburn, Boston College, Duke,

0:57:02.789 --> 0:57:06.413
Florida, Georgia, Liberty, Marshall,

0:57:07.974 --> 0:57:10.777
Miami, Old Dominion, South Carolina,

0:57:11.036 --> 0:57:12.577
West Virginia, Temple.

0:57:12.978 --> 0:57:13.539
It's a good list.

0:57:14.119 --> 0:57:15.340
It's off a list.

0:57:15.460 --> 0:57:16.141
It's a good list.

0:57:17.143 --> 0:57:17.282
Now,

0:57:18.802 --> 0:57:19.824
I'm going to say it one time.

0:57:19.844 --> 0:57:21.724
Y'all don't even have to say nothing.

0:57:22.204 --> 0:57:23.706
We can let Brian finish talking.

0:57:24.626 --> 0:57:25.646
What if he chose Georgia?

0:57:25.827 --> 0:57:26.027
Go ahead.

0:57:26.047 --> 0:57:26.768
Go ahead, Brian.

0:57:28.208 --> 0:57:30.570
That's all I'm going to say.

0:57:32.230 --> 0:57:33.391
Tally's talking about a bump there,

0:57:33.550 --> 0:57:34.572
a little bump that would happen.

0:57:34.813 --> 0:57:35.313
A big bump.

0:57:35.333 --> 0:57:36.094
A little bump.

0:57:36.114 --> 0:57:36.094
93.

0:57:36.775 --> 0:57:36.094
93.

0:57:36.795 --> 0:57:38.896
93.

0:57:36.815 --> 0:57:38.896
Six points.

0:57:39.418 --> 0:57:40.358
Not too easy.

0:57:40.559 --> 0:57:41.380
Yeah, yeah.

0:57:41.599 --> 0:57:43.081
And Tally's right about that.

0:57:44.503 --> 0:57:46.644
And looking at him, I like his skill set.

0:57:46.704 --> 0:57:48.407
He's got really good speed.

0:57:49.288 --> 0:57:50.670
I think he's a guy that –

0:57:51.822 --> 0:57:53.403
Could come in as kind of a tweener.

0:57:53.443 --> 0:57:55.085
He could be a slot guy.

0:57:55.144 --> 0:57:57.465
He could be kind of an outside number two.

0:57:59.246 --> 0:58:01.126
I think with his body and his frame,

0:58:01.166 --> 0:58:02.527
I think especially if he's

0:58:02.547 --> 0:58:03.608
able to put on a little more weight,

0:58:03.628 --> 0:58:04.329
I think that's something

0:58:04.349 --> 0:58:05.429
that he'd be capable of doing.

0:58:06.449 --> 0:58:07.530
But that speed, I mean,

0:58:08.490 --> 0:58:09.351
you can't coach speed.

0:58:09.411 --> 0:58:10.731
I mean, you can get a little better,

0:58:10.791 --> 0:58:12.373
but if you're fast,

0:58:12.393 --> 0:58:13.112
you're going to be fast.

0:58:14.309 --> 0:58:16.429
And he's gonna be a four star.

0:58:16.809 --> 0:58:17.650
Yeah, I mean,

0:58:17.670 --> 0:58:18.789
we talked about it off camera.

0:58:18.809 --> 0:58:19.630
We said,

0:58:20.110 --> 0:58:21.210
he's gonna be a four star by the

0:58:21.251 --> 0:58:22.971
time it's all said and done.

0:58:23.070 --> 0:58:23.652
He is.

0:58:24.152 --> 0:58:25.152
That's been our inclination

0:58:25.211 --> 0:58:26.512
as soon as he was on our radar.

0:58:27.373 --> 0:58:30.233
So Chris backing it up, that's big time.

0:58:30.873 --> 0:58:33.994
Yeah, if anybody doesn't know who Chris is,

0:58:34.554 --> 0:58:36.375
his son is Brody Adams and

0:58:36.414 --> 0:58:37.534
he played at Green Run.

0:58:37.554 --> 0:58:39.675
So he's watched these kids

0:58:40.235 --> 0:58:41.675
for years probably.

0:58:42.277 --> 0:58:43.657
I talk to Chris all the time.

0:58:44.467 --> 0:58:44.768
you know,

0:58:44.827 --> 0:58:46.489
he's giving me some knowledge on kind of,

0:58:47.088 --> 0:58:47.329
you know,

0:58:47.349 --> 0:58:49.409
what these kids can do and what

0:58:49.449 --> 0:58:50.411
kind of young men they are

0:58:51.130 --> 0:58:52.632
and their skill set that we

0:58:52.652 --> 0:58:53.452
haven't even seen.

0:58:53.512 --> 0:58:54.992
So he knows what he's

0:58:55.032 --> 0:58:56.353
talking about as far as watching them.

0:58:57.373 --> 0:58:57.974
Go ahead, Curtis.

0:58:58.414 --> 0:58:59.434
All I was going to say is

0:58:59.454 --> 0:59:00.556
they got a couple things

0:59:00.695 --> 0:59:01.717
clocked here for him.

0:59:02.197 --> 0:59:03.356
Like, and you talked about,

0:59:03.376 --> 0:59:04.277
y'all saw him doing a lot

0:59:04.318 --> 0:59:06.318
of different things last year,

0:59:06.318 --> 0:59:08.179
48 passes for over 1200 yards.

0:59:08.639 --> 0:59:08.880
Brian,

0:59:08.900 --> 0:59:10.380
do the math on that for me real quick.

0:59:10.420 --> 0:59:12.501
That is an ungodly, uh,

0:59:13.807 --> 0:59:16.469
yards per catch, 15 total TDs,

0:59:16.469 --> 0:59:17.650
300 on the ground,

0:59:17.650 --> 0:59:20.990
18 total TDs running and passing.

0:59:21.030 --> 0:59:22.811
What's that yards per catch?

0:59:23.692 --> 0:59:24.431
That's got to be over 20.

0:59:25.253 --> 0:59:26.753
You're getting me to do math?

0:59:27.074 --> 0:59:27.934
Well, I told you to do math.

0:59:29.110 --> 0:59:31.753
I'm going to let you handle it.

0:59:31.773 --> 0:59:33.373
1,200 yards, you said 48 catches?

0:59:33.393 --> 0:59:34.414
48 catches.

0:59:35.255 --> 0:59:36.157
Almost 1,300.

0:59:36.918 --> 0:59:38.179
25 a catch.

0:59:38.199 --> 0:59:38.760
25 a catch.

0:59:39.460 --> 0:59:41.523
I don't care if that's a green run.

0:59:41.702 --> 0:59:42.224
That's 5A.

0:59:42.824 --> 0:59:43.445
That's up there.

0:59:43.985 --> 0:59:47.969
He ain't playing the little boys, you know,

0:59:48.550 --> 0:59:49.251
in Bob Warner.

0:59:50.376 --> 0:59:51.577
That means either every time

0:59:51.597 --> 0:59:53.998
he catches the ball, he is making moves,

0:59:54.498 --> 0:59:55.460
which y'all have already said,

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:56.400
y'all saw on the tape.

0:59:56.561 --> 0:59:57.722
He's electric with the ball.

0:59:57.882 --> 0:59:58.461
He's electric.

0:59:59.182 --> 1:00:00.003
That says a lot.

1:00:00.364 --> 1:00:01.324
I think Chris is right.

1:00:01.384 --> 1:00:02.085
I think, you know,

1:00:03.806 --> 1:00:05.807
maybe he gets a bump eventually for us.

1:00:05.947 --> 1:00:06.188
Yeah.

1:00:06.527 --> 1:00:07.309
I mean, you know,

1:00:07.329 --> 1:00:08.269
we talk about guys being

1:00:08.329 --> 1:00:09.650
fast and we talk about guys being quick.

1:00:09.670 --> 1:00:10.931
He's a little bit of both, right?

1:00:11.771 --> 1:00:12.652
Yeah.

1:00:12.693 --> 1:00:13.813
He's got area quickness,

1:00:13.833 --> 1:00:15.094
but he also has top end speed.

1:00:15.992 --> 1:00:16.373
All righty.

1:00:16.934 --> 1:00:17.954
Let's talk about the other

1:00:17.994 --> 1:00:19.014
gentleman that committed

1:00:19.715 --> 1:00:22.257
from Green Run to Virginia Tech,

1:00:22.838 --> 1:00:24.599
Mileage Harrell, a 5'10 1⁄2",

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165-pound cornerback, an 86-rated guy,

1:00:29.021 --> 1:00:30.503
top 25 in the state of Virginia,

1:00:30.543 --> 1:00:31.583
no composite yet.

1:00:31.603 --> 1:00:33.244
I don't like looking to composite,

1:00:33.405 --> 1:00:35.327
but 247 puts him at an 86.

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Brian, real quick,

1:00:36.688 --> 1:00:38.708
what you see on tape from Knowledge?

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Yeah, I mean, I like this player, man.

1:00:42.452 --> 1:00:43.391
I think he's going to be

1:00:43.431 --> 1:00:44.492
kind of a big-time player

1:00:44.532 --> 1:00:45.534
for us when he gets there.

1:00:47.637 --> 1:00:51.139
really good skills, good in coverage,

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.079
not afraid to get in there

1:00:54.099 --> 1:00:54.800
and throw a lick.

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So, I mean,

1:00:55.501 --> 1:00:56.681
it's the type of guy that we

1:00:56.701 --> 1:00:58.382
have been kind of bringing in,

1:00:58.601 --> 1:01:00.161
that kind of cheetah brand where,

1:01:00.902 --> 1:01:01.181
you know,

1:01:02.342 --> 1:01:04.083
got that dog where you want to

1:01:04.123 --> 1:01:04.722
get out there,

1:01:05.483 --> 1:01:07.184
play that man coverage as much as you can,

1:01:07.224 --> 1:01:08.664
but also not afraid to put

1:01:08.684 --> 1:01:09.905
a little lick on you when you need to.

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Nice.

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What about you, Tyler,

1:01:12.204 --> 1:01:13.445
just seeing and talking to Chris?

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Yeah, first of all, first of all,

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badass name.

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Shout out to his family.

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Yeah, badass name.

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I didn't even know how to pronounce it.

1:01:20.449 --> 1:01:21.309
Chris had to tell me.

1:01:22.590 --> 1:01:25.271
Badass name, and his name kind of, for me,

1:01:25.471 --> 1:01:26.411
suits what he does.

1:01:26.472 --> 1:01:26.632
Like,

1:01:26.672 --> 1:01:28.552
his knowledge of the game seems to be

1:01:28.572 --> 1:01:31.014
a little bit ahead of his time.

1:01:33.059 --> 1:01:34.719
I seen him, you know,

1:01:34.759 --> 1:01:37.239
just sideline interceptions,

1:01:37.500 --> 1:01:39.061
able to toe tap, you know,

1:01:39.121 --> 1:01:40.601
stuff from the back of the end zone,

1:01:41.061 --> 1:01:42.541
you know, you know,

1:01:42.661 --> 1:01:44.141
knowing where he's at on the field,

1:01:44.681 --> 1:01:45.621
you know, knowing when,

1:01:45.681 --> 1:01:47.362
when the quarterback starts to scramble,

1:01:47.382 --> 1:01:49.103
knowing to get to certain

1:01:49.143 --> 1:01:50.483
positions in certain spots.

1:01:50.563 --> 1:01:52.643
So it's kind of playing all over that, um,

1:01:53.083 --> 1:01:54.503
all over that secondary and

1:01:55.023 --> 1:01:56.644
his knowledge of the game is what kind of,

1:01:57.304 --> 1:01:59.085
what kind of got me as a smaller kid,

1:01:59.224 --> 1:02:01.505
again, smaller kid, but, um,

1:02:03.291 --> 1:02:04.791
I don't want to compare him to anybody yet,

1:02:04.851 --> 1:02:06.572
but if I kind of looked at

1:02:06.652 --> 1:02:08.373
what he does and what he's looking like,

1:02:08.413 --> 1:02:09.713
he kind of reminds me of, like,

1:02:10.253 --> 1:02:11.733
Mansoor when we first seen him.

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Okay.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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When we first seen him and

1:02:15.876 --> 1:02:17.876
we didn't know exactly what

1:02:17.916 --> 1:02:19.197
he was going to get the tech and done,

1:02:19.277 --> 1:02:20.838
but get the tech and do,

1:02:21.418 --> 1:02:22.358
he kind of reminds me of

1:02:22.398 --> 1:02:23.398
that on the tape.

1:02:24.679 --> 1:02:25.519
Makes a lot of sense.

1:02:25.579 --> 1:02:27.721
So, again, four in the class so far.

1:02:28.141 --> 1:02:29.420
Real quick on knowledge,

1:02:29.621 --> 1:02:32.219
three-year starter, so basically –

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Started every year.

1:02:33.019 --> 1:02:33.559
He was in the house,

1:02:33.579 --> 1:02:34.860
which is unbelievable.

1:02:35.481 --> 1:02:38.202
And it's great because you think about,

1:02:38.302 --> 1:02:38.583
you know,

1:02:38.603 --> 1:02:41.005
the quarterback last year and

1:02:41.025 --> 1:02:42.885
then the closest possible

1:02:42.965 --> 1:02:45.188
you could get to the

1:02:45.228 --> 1:02:47.909
university and then down to

1:02:47.969 --> 1:02:49.670
a ground that has done so

1:02:49.710 --> 1:02:50.871
well for Virginia Tech all

1:02:50.911 --> 1:02:52.431
these years down to 7-5 and

1:02:52.512 --> 1:02:54.554
building that pipeline back up.

1:02:54.574 --> 1:02:55.434
I'd love to see it.

1:02:55.454 --> 1:02:56.255
All right,

1:02:56.315 --> 1:02:57.416
just a few more things we want

1:02:57.436 --> 1:02:58.155
to hit before we close it

1:02:58.215 --> 1:02:58.795
out here tonight.

1:02:59.896 --> 1:03:00.818
BC got a coach.

1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:03.842
And y'all explain to me,

1:03:04.342 --> 1:03:05.664
and I know he's not the best coach,

1:03:05.923 --> 1:03:08.226
how the fuck did BC get a

1:03:08.266 --> 1:03:09.586
Bill O'Brien type coach

1:03:10.106 --> 1:03:11.128
this late in the process?

1:03:12.108 --> 1:03:12.608
Anybody?

1:03:13.110 --> 1:03:14.510
Anybody got a reason behind that?

1:03:14.971 --> 1:03:15.931
Probably because Alabama

1:03:15.972 --> 1:03:16.972
fans talked about him so

1:03:17.012 --> 1:03:18.454
bad he couldn't get no more jobs.

1:03:19.375 --> 1:03:20.076
It don't matter.

1:03:20.096 --> 1:03:21.135
They hated him.

1:03:22.818 --> 1:03:23.418
I don't know why.

1:03:23.438 --> 1:03:25.079
I didn't pay attention to him enough,

1:03:25.119 --> 1:03:27.862
but they fucking hated him.

1:03:28.682 --> 1:03:29.603
Everything that went wrong,

1:03:29.623 --> 1:03:30.244
they put it on him.

1:03:30.949 --> 1:03:31.309
They did.

1:03:31.329 --> 1:03:31.869
They did.

1:03:32.789 --> 1:03:35.771
Maybe we just took Alabama's

1:03:36.311 --> 1:03:37.411
great word for it.

1:03:37.431 --> 1:03:39.052
I don't know if y'all

1:03:39.371 --> 1:03:40.831
checked out Willie on TikTok.

1:03:41.251 --> 1:03:42.512
He had some great TikToks.

1:03:43.193 --> 1:03:44.012
He may have said,

1:03:44.532 --> 1:03:45.713
old Brian didn't need a job.

1:03:45.773 --> 1:03:46.612
Nobody picked him up.

1:03:47.594 --> 1:03:48.233
He went to BC.

1:03:48.293 --> 1:03:50.333
He was at Ohio State.

1:03:50.833 --> 1:03:51.353
He was their OC.

1:03:51.373 --> 1:03:52.434
What you think, Brian?

1:03:55.143 --> 1:03:55.443
How?

1:03:56.023 --> 1:03:59.726
If this was us, we'd end up with... I mean,

1:03:59.885 --> 1:04:00.865
so, I mean,

1:04:00.985 --> 1:04:01.947
it's kind of been a weird

1:04:02.827 --> 1:04:04.367
trajectory for him because, I mean,

1:04:04.427 --> 1:04:07.389
he was, you know, OC, quarterback,

1:04:07.429 --> 1:04:08.391
coached Alabama.

1:04:09.688 --> 1:04:11.429
Worked with the Patriots last year,

1:04:11.489 --> 1:04:13.028
got picked up by Ohio State,

1:04:13.610 --> 1:04:15.030
and then said, all right, well,

1:04:15.070 --> 1:04:18.771
BC's open now, so let's kick it on over.

1:04:19.552 --> 1:04:19.851
I mean,

1:04:20.751 --> 1:04:22.353
the Boston College and just the

1:04:22.393 --> 1:04:23.253
Boston connection in

1:04:23.273 --> 1:04:24.833
general can't be understated.

1:04:24.873 --> 1:04:25.054
I mean,

1:04:25.074 --> 1:04:27.755
I feel like that's something that

1:04:29.155 --> 1:04:30.315
seems like an area that he

1:04:30.356 --> 1:04:31.456
enjoys being in.

1:04:32.639 --> 1:04:33.659
that's probably some of the

1:04:33.699 --> 1:04:35.440
allure of grabbing a guy

1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.260
like him at this stage and cycle.

1:04:37.681 --> 1:04:38.701
And this might be, you know,

1:04:38.842 --> 1:04:39.842
kind of the last-ditch

1:04:39.922 --> 1:04:42.262
effort of him getting a

1:04:42.282 --> 1:04:45.204
head coaching job with the resume he has,

1:04:45.284 --> 1:04:45.503
right?

1:04:47.244 --> 1:04:48.885
Didn't he turn programs around, though?

1:04:49.646 --> 1:04:51.425
He kept Penn State above.

1:04:51.485 --> 1:04:53.266
He made sure that Penn State

1:04:53.286 --> 1:04:54.586
didn't completely die.

1:04:55.128 --> 1:04:55.347
Yeah.

1:04:56.007 --> 1:04:56.708
So, you know,

1:04:56.728 --> 1:04:58.289
they may have went to him with that,

1:04:58.369 --> 1:04:58.568
well,

1:04:59.422 --> 1:05:00.143
We're in a position,

1:05:00.204 --> 1:05:02.005
we need a resurrection.

1:05:02.126 --> 1:05:02.585
I don't know.

1:05:03.106 --> 1:05:03.887
You don't know what's said

1:05:03.927 --> 1:05:05.429
on these behind closed doors.

1:05:06.030 --> 1:05:06.731
Yeah, I mean.

1:05:07.371 --> 1:05:08.572
He just likes playing chowder.

1:05:08.672 --> 1:05:09.974
He had two years at Penn

1:05:09.994 --> 1:05:11.516
State right after

1:05:11.576 --> 1:05:14.358
everything happened there.

1:05:15.239 --> 1:05:16.280
And then he went to the Texans.

1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:17.141
So, I mean,

1:05:17.161 --> 1:05:19.003
he did a good job of keeping Penn State,

1:05:19.623 --> 1:05:19.844
you know,

1:05:20.867 --> 1:05:22.349
didn't fall off they weren't

1:05:22.728 --> 1:05:24.371
what they were before but

1:05:24.431 --> 1:05:26.552
they also weren't as bad as

1:05:26.592 --> 1:05:27.932
they probably could have or

1:05:27.992 --> 1:05:29.474
should have been in that

1:05:29.534 --> 1:05:32.255
stretch so um he's the guy

1:05:32.275 --> 1:05:32.856
that's going to kind of

1:05:32.896 --> 1:05:34.518
maximize that roster I feel

1:05:34.557 --> 1:05:36.079
like um but I don't know if

1:05:36.119 --> 1:05:37.300
he's going to necessarily

1:05:38.201 --> 1:05:39.902
you know raise the the

1:05:39.942 --> 1:05:41.742
ceiling uh they they they

1:05:41.762 --> 1:05:42.423
ain't getting back where

1:05:42.463 --> 1:05:44.045
they were 20 years ago now

1:05:44.065 --> 1:05:44.925
we're having it again I

1:05:45.945 --> 1:05:46.606
mean I think he's the guy

1:05:46.626 --> 1:05:47.967
that can get them in probably

1:05:48.601 --> 1:05:49.922
year two or three can make

1:05:49.942 --> 1:05:52.043
them a consistent bowl team every year.

1:05:52.063 --> 1:05:54.465
Um, and you know,

1:05:54.764 --> 1:05:55.726
I think he's got some work

1:05:55.746 --> 1:05:57.067
to do this off season with,

1:05:57.367 --> 1:05:58.228
with some of the guys that

1:05:58.248 --> 1:05:59.668
they lost and things like that.

1:05:59.768 --> 1:06:01.289
So I don't think year one is

1:06:01.329 --> 1:06:01.849
going to be great,

1:06:01.869 --> 1:06:03.451
but year two or three might, might look,

1:06:03.471 --> 1:06:03.931
you know,

1:06:04.612 --> 1:06:05.512
at least kind of what we've

1:06:05.572 --> 1:06:06.472
expected from them when

1:06:06.492 --> 1:06:07.333
they've had some decent

1:06:07.373 --> 1:06:08.614
seasons in the last decade

1:06:08.635 --> 1:06:10.376
where they're like a six, seven,

1:06:10.396 --> 1:06:12.637
maybe eight at the best win team.

1:06:13.659 --> 1:06:28.086
100%.

1:06:13.938 --> 1:06:15.780
All right, let's close it out with this,

1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:16.119
boys,

1:06:16.179 --> 1:06:18.202
because as of today it became official,

1:06:18.242 --> 1:06:18.961
official, official,

1:06:19.021 --> 1:06:21.023
even though it's been kind of official,

1:06:21.083 --> 1:06:22.583
official, official for a long time,

1:06:22.643 --> 1:06:24.204
and that is college

1:06:24.224 --> 1:06:25.144
football playoffs

1:06:25.304 --> 1:06:26.585
definitely set for 2024

1:06:26.585 --> 1:06:28.086
with the 12 teams.

1:06:28.367 --> 1:06:29.648
And here's all the fun part,

1:06:29.688 --> 1:06:30.849
because they had changes

1:06:30.989 --> 1:06:33.730
with the Pac-12 in purgatory right now.

1:06:34.110 --> 1:06:34.951
Basically dead.

1:06:35.271 --> 1:06:38.032
Well, I sent a text to them today,

1:06:38.092 --> 1:06:39.990
and Shelton's like –

1:06:39.990 --> 1:06:41.291
the hell do you mean this is

1:06:41.351 --> 1:06:42.432
wrong and I'm like I

1:06:42.452 --> 1:06:43.472
remember pack 12 he's like

1:06:43.612 --> 1:06:44.333
yeah that's right they're

1:06:44.353 --> 1:06:45.855
in purgatory football's

1:06:45.894 --> 1:06:46.894
dead basketball and the

1:06:46.914 --> 1:06:47.556
other sports are still

1:06:47.576 --> 1:06:48.496
alive until june and then

1:06:48.516 --> 1:06:50.597
they're all going back so

1:06:51.137 --> 1:06:53.579
but five automatic bids uh

1:06:53.599 --> 1:06:55.380
so that's basically I mean

1:06:55.440 --> 1:06:57.601
as it looks now the four

1:06:57.641 --> 1:06:59.322
big ones plus one p5 uh

1:06:59.342 --> 1:07:02.005
excuse me one g5 school will get it

1:07:02.759 --> 1:07:03.760
The top four conference

1:07:03.780 --> 1:07:05.041
champions get an automatic

1:07:05.081 --> 1:07:07.242
bid down into New Year's Eve,

1:07:07.322 --> 1:07:08.903
New Year's Day Bowl, which is great.

1:07:09.784 --> 1:07:10.885
Seven at-larges.

1:07:11.184 --> 1:07:12.445
Get everything ready and

1:07:12.465 --> 1:07:13.286
write the dates down

1:07:13.367 --> 1:07:15.108
because you got to be ready.

1:07:15.168 --> 1:07:16.829
December 20th, December 21st,

1:07:17.389 --> 1:07:18.550
the four playing games,

1:07:18.590 --> 1:07:20.192
five through 12s at the

1:07:20.271 --> 1:07:21.693
five through eights home field,

1:07:21.753 --> 1:07:23.835
which I think that's

1:07:23.855 --> 1:07:24.795
something for years as

1:07:24.835 --> 1:07:25.817
college football fans,

1:07:25.876 --> 1:07:26.597
like you want to see,

1:07:26.657 --> 1:07:28.378
like some of the best teams

1:07:28.599 --> 1:07:31.440
against each other on their home field,

1:07:31.501 --> 1:07:32.501
not at a neutral site.

1:07:33.447 --> 1:07:34.887
I wish it was maybe further

1:07:35.027 --> 1:07:35.967
in the playoffs like it,

1:07:35.987 --> 1:07:37.429
but bowls are still big.

1:07:39.911 --> 1:07:41.891
We said it before, New Year's Eve,

1:07:41.972 --> 1:07:43.393
New Year's Day matters again, y'all.

1:07:43.833 --> 1:07:45.494
Fiesta Bowl, New Year's Eve night,

1:07:47.135 --> 1:07:49.235
then the peach, the rose, and the sugar.

1:07:50.197 --> 1:07:51.677
I know Tally is just,

1:07:52.237 --> 1:07:53.438
when we win this conference,

1:07:54.018 --> 1:07:54.719
Tally is going to be the

1:07:54.739 --> 1:07:57.380
first person to book a hotel in Atlanta.

1:07:57.860 --> 1:07:58.320
I'm going.

1:07:58.400 --> 1:07:58.701
Tickets,

1:07:58.722 --> 1:08:00.943
because it's just up the road from him.

1:08:02.150 --> 1:08:02.951
I'm being there, man.

1:08:03.050 --> 1:08:04.452
We get to a major bowl game.

1:08:05.492 --> 1:08:06.092
I don't know how.

1:08:06.373 --> 1:08:07.452
I don't know where.

1:08:07.614 --> 1:08:08.193
I don't know why.

1:08:08.853 --> 1:08:09.295
I'm going.

1:08:09.815 --> 1:08:10.195
That's right.

1:08:10.514 --> 1:08:11.695
I'm going to put a GoFundMe up.

1:08:14.038 --> 1:08:14.637
And I'm going to get

1:08:14.697 --> 1:08:15.619
wherever we got to go.

1:08:15.918 --> 1:08:16.939
And I don't like to fly.

1:08:18.020 --> 1:08:19.100
So I might have to borrow

1:08:19.240 --> 1:08:22.222
Brian's truck and take out.

1:08:22.403 --> 1:08:22.762
I don't know.

1:08:23.463 --> 1:08:24.064
But I'm going.

1:08:24.707 --> 1:08:25.407
We're going to get there.

1:08:25.426 --> 1:08:26.106
We're going to get there.

1:08:26.146 --> 1:08:27.207
So there's your New Year's Eve,

1:08:27.228 --> 1:08:27.868
New Year's Day.

1:08:27.908 --> 1:08:29.188
Then just a few weeks later,

1:08:29.847 --> 1:08:30.868
the semifinals on a

1:08:30.927 --> 1:08:32.029
Thursday and Friday night

1:08:32.128 --> 1:08:33.349
also in bowls this year,

1:08:33.389 --> 1:08:34.529
the cotton and the orange.

1:08:35.588 --> 1:08:37.210
I love that they moved over Thursday,

1:08:37.250 --> 1:08:37.569
Friday,

1:08:37.590 --> 1:08:38.770
because it's going to be all eyes

1:08:38.850 --> 1:08:39.949
in January on a Thursday

1:08:39.990 --> 1:08:40.951
night and January on a

1:08:40.970 --> 1:08:42.610
Friday night with the

1:08:42.650 --> 1:08:43.751
football world sitting there.

1:08:43.770 --> 1:08:45.652
And then finally the finals on the 20th.

1:08:45.931 --> 1:08:47.412
I'm not sure where it is this year.

1:08:48.011 --> 1:08:48.572
Don't care.

1:08:49.953 --> 1:08:50.773
You know, but.

1:08:51.671 --> 1:08:52.351
It's out there now.

1:08:53.072 --> 1:08:54.774
You said it earlier.

1:08:54.774 --> 1:08:57.855
12 is a game changer because

1:08:58.577 --> 1:09:01.920
you can stumble.

1:09:02.060 --> 1:09:04.001
It makes the games a little

1:09:04.020 --> 1:09:08.845
bit more real every week now.

1:09:09.926 --> 1:09:10.846
Every game is important.

1:09:11.608 --> 1:09:13.208
They always have been kind of important,

1:09:13.248 --> 1:09:15.810
but every game is important.

1:09:15.871 --> 1:09:19.373
You may stumble early in the season.

1:09:20.836 --> 1:09:22.457
may be a you know two lost

1:09:22.497 --> 1:09:23.817
team that could still get

1:09:23.997 --> 1:09:25.578
in yep you know you just

1:09:25.597 --> 1:09:26.738
got to keep playing you got

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to keep got to keep

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chopping wood so and

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there's an emphasis across

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the board so there's two

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things that are being

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emphasized with this that

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haven't been emphasized

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with the playoff as it has

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been since it's been put in

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place that's one thing

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winning your conference matters big

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Yep.

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Yep.

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That's the big thing.

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I know Florida State

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probably mad as hell right now.

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Yep.

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Undefeated winning

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conference still don't get in.

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Yep.

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And the second thing that matters is,

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you know,

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you talked about the stumbling early.

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You can stumble early and still win it.

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You could be a three or four loss team,

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but if you run that table

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and you get to that

1:10:13.083 --> 1:10:14.045
conference championship...

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You keep winning.

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You're in.

1:10:17.068 --> 1:10:17.609
You lose your

1:10:17.828 --> 1:10:18.989
out-of-conference games and

1:10:19.570 --> 1:10:20.952
win the conference games...

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It is what it is.

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You get in.

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And this is where I think we

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all three disagree with

1:10:27.917 --> 1:10:29.118
where we hear media people talk.

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It's going to lessen the games.

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I'm like, are you kidding?

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There's going to be one, two,

1:10:33.801 --> 1:10:35.703
and three lost teams going into November.

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It's going to be what we just said,

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just win.

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If we can just keep winning games,

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we are going to make it.

1:10:41.887 --> 1:10:43.349
They talk about things being

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lessened and things like that,

1:10:44.829 --> 1:10:46.230
but it's pretty much

1:10:46.391 --> 1:10:47.773
exactly what we always know.

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Injuries matter.

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So if y'all say injuries matter,

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it depends who gets hot and

1:10:53.057 --> 1:10:54.158
who's the healthiest team.

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You know what I'm saying?

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At the beginning of the season,

1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:57.921
this team may have been the best team,

1:10:57.962 --> 1:11:00.505
but who is healthy late in the season?

1:11:01.244 --> 1:11:01.386
Who...

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You know,

1:11:03.157 --> 1:11:05.057
who got hot at the end of the

1:11:05.078 --> 1:11:06.438
season and who went and won?

1:11:06.818 --> 1:11:06.997
Yeah,

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and the same thing that they were

1:11:07.939 --> 1:11:09.179
bitching about leaving

1:11:09.219 --> 1:11:10.219
Florida State out are the

1:11:10.259 --> 1:11:12.140
same reasons that teams are

1:11:12.159 --> 1:11:14.261
going to have a chance in this new system,

1:11:14.301 --> 1:11:14.520
right?

1:11:14.701 --> 1:11:15.220
Exactly.

1:11:15.501 --> 1:11:16.902
You don't have to have an

1:11:17.002 --> 1:11:18.721
unblemished record and win

1:11:18.742 --> 1:11:20.922
your conference to have a shot here.

1:11:21.403 --> 1:11:23.444
You go from maybe six or

1:11:23.524 --> 1:11:25.144
seven teams feeling good

1:11:25.184 --> 1:11:26.345
about their chances heading

1:11:26.385 --> 1:11:28.244
into November to –

1:11:27.305 --> 1:11:29.626
20 teams feeling good about

1:11:29.706 --> 1:11:31.145
their chances heading into November.

1:11:31.805 --> 1:11:33.846
That's going to create a lot more buzz,

1:11:33.867 --> 1:11:35.488
a lot more eyes because you

1:11:35.507 --> 1:11:38.269
have that is spread across

1:11:38.328 --> 1:11:41.009
a larger swath of fan bases,

1:11:41.048 --> 1:11:42.430
a larger swath of markets.

1:11:42.489 --> 1:11:43.770
Like all of that is going to

1:11:43.829 --> 1:11:44.551
play into this.

1:11:46.739 --> 1:11:48.442
A lot of stuff goes into it.

1:11:48.481 --> 1:11:48.962
Like you said,

1:11:48.981 --> 1:11:50.684
when you talk about the markets,

1:11:50.724 --> 1:11:51.444
you know what I'm saying?

1:11:51.484 --> 1:11:52.466
Now you got some kids that's

1:11:52.485 --> 1:11:53.726
thinking about, well,

1:11:53.766 --> 1:11:54.948
maybe I don't have to go to

1:11:54.988 --> 1:11:56.288
these four schools to get

1:11:56.328 --> 1:11:57.670
seen or get to the playoffs.

1:11:58.430 --> 1:12:01.314
Maybe I can stay home and my

1:12:01.373 --> 1:12:03.756
team has a legit chance for

1:12:03.876 --> 1:12:05.216
me to play on the biggest stage.

1:12:05.858 --> 1:12:07.198
You know, we don't know.

1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:08.961
I'm excited about it, though.

1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.881
I think that, along with NIL,

1:12:13.443 --> 1:12:14.444
kind of levels the playing field.

1:12:14.463 --> 1:12:15.144
Even though it's the Wild,

1:12:15.184 --> 1:12:16.064
Wild West a little bit.

1:12:16.444 --> 1:12:16.645
It is.

1:12:16.765 --> 1:12:17.405
They're probably going to do

1:12:17.426 --> 1:12:19.167
some stuff to change that a little bit.

1:12:19.787 --> 1:12:20.708
I think it kind of levels

1:12:20.729 --> 1:12:21.729
the playing field a little bit.

1:12:22.750 --> 1:12:22.951
Yeah,

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it's no longer – I like what Brian

1:12:24.952 --> 1:12:25.271
said there.

1:12:25.332 --> 1:12:26.953
It's no longer six or seven schools.

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It's like 20.

1:12:27.935 --> 1:12:28.835
It's like 20.

1:12:29.496 --> 1:12:30.277
And as every year,

1:12:30.337 --> 1:12:32.297
that 15 to 20 could change

1:12:32.899 --> 1:12:34.159
because every year somebody

1:12:34.199 --> 1:12:35.780
who just gets hot at the

1:12:35.820 --> 1:12:36.721
right time has the right

1:12:36.801 --> 1:12:38.496
quarterback or has –

1:12:38.496 --> 1:12:38.756
you know,

1:12:38.775 --> 1:12:40.596
the right offensive line and they

1:12:40.617 --> 1:12:41.697
can just pave the way.

1:12:42.556 --> 1:12:43.577
They have a shot now.

1:12:44.278 --> 1:12:45.637
And for all these years,

1:12:45.698 --> 1:12:46.978
it was you got to be the blue blood.

1:12:47.139 --> 1:12:48.059
You got to be the blue blood

1:12:48.078 --> 1:12:49.559
to consistently be there.

1:12:49.798 --> 1:12:51.880
And it's no longer going to be that way.

1:12:51.899 --> 1:12:53.260
And I like what you say, Tally,

1:12:53.300 --> 1:12:54.640
about it's going to be

1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:55.341
easier to recruit to this

1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.081
because you – and Kyron said it,

1:12:57.542 --> 1:12:58.981
and I love to hear Kyron say it.

1:12:59.641 --> 1:13:02.042
You make that stage all eyes on you.

1:13:02.523 --> 1:13:05.765
And to me, people say, well,

1:13:05.784 --> 1:13:06.685
you got to perform.

1:13:07.265 --> 1:13:08.225
You keep making it,

1:13:08.766 --> 1:13:09.987
people are going to start noticing.

1:13:10.006 --> 1:13:10.367
You know what?

1:13:10.407 --> 1:13:12.529
They're here every few years.

1:13:13.389 --> 1:13:14.189
What can they do for me?

1:13:14.210 --> 1:13:15.510
All right.

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So, fellas,

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